1 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,160 Hello everybody, Welcome to another episode of Simply 2 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,080 Bitcoin IRL. Today we have a very special 3 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:21,640 guest returning guest. We have Matt Hill, CEO and 4 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,840 Founder of Start Nine. They make incredible Bitcoin 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:32,000 nodes servers. Really big fan since first time 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,800 I brought Matt on the show talk about sovereign computing and 7 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,000 just blew my mind every single episode. 8 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,800 So we really enjoy bringing Matt on the show to talk about all 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,520 that the future of computing the the way that I see it. 10 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,320 Anyways, before we jump into it, I want to give a shout out to 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,240 the Bitcoin company that makes the show possible. 12 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,400 Swan Bitcoin, Best place to build your Bitcoin stack? 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,480 It's being built by Bitcoiners. It's for Bitcoiners. 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,640 Check out Swan Bitcoin today if you haven't already done so. 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,840 All right, no more delay. I want to bring up our guest. 16 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,800 Hey, Matt, How you doing? What's up, Nico? 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,800 Doing Good, man. Thanks for having me. 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,000 Happy to have you back on the show. 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,840 It's been a while and I've heard from the grapevines and rip off 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,640 the Band-Aid and just jump straight into it. 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,440 I heard you guys are getting into AI. 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,320 That's interesting. Yeah, yeah. 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,920 But not in the way that a lot of people like to say right now. 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,920 AI is like the new blockchain, you know. 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,880 It's the new the new cloud, the new the new hype in the VC and, 26 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,520 you know, investing world. We're getting into AI strictly 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,320 as a necessity because AI is part of computers. 28 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,960 So, you know, our whole idea is that humans and computers should 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,760 be able to interact directly without intermediaries or 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,400 custodians. And the idea that humans are 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,800 going to use computers without artificial intelligence is a 32 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,000 ridiculous proposition at this point. 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,960 So something that we have to consider right, we have to think 34 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,800 about. How humans can interact with 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:13,080 computers using AI models and the hardware that is necessary 36 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,960 for that to happen in a way that you know can be done cheaply, 37 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,200 affordably by by any person. So it's something that we've 38 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,600 been thinking about and we've actually launched a couple 39 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,320 products. We launched stable Diffusion. 40 00:02:26,920 --> 00:02:30,840 Which is a image generator, and we weren't launched free GPT, 41 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,640 which is an AI chat bot similar to ChatGPT. 42 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,440 Both of these are run on your personal server, and the models 43 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,080 are hosted locally. Nothing leaves the device. 44 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,920 You can access it from anywhere in the world at your own private 45 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:50,360 website, and it is a truly private artificial intelligence 46 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,000 experience for both image generation and. 47 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,400 And chat. However, it's not nearly as 48 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,640 robust and fast and powerful as something like mid Journey or 49 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:07,720 ChatGPT, obviously, those are using GPUs, they're running on 50 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,360 server clusters. They are running the latest. 51 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:15,040 You know how many hundred of billion parameter models they're 52 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,840 probably running at this point? And that just can't be done on, 53 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,720 you know, cheap consumer hardware. 54 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,880 But luckily for us, the future of AI. 55 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,560 Is probably smaller models that are more highly specialized and 56 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:34,960 users accessing those models for specific needs, in which case it 57 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,400 can all be done locally on affordable hardware. 58 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,680 And so we're very excited that that is now the trend in the AI 59 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,040 world is that it's away from the one model to rule them all that 60 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,200 knows everything. And towards instead hundreds of 61 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,560 specialized models that you spin up on demand in order to get 62 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,360 very specific questions answered, because that can be 63 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,160 done at the edges. Got you. 64 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,760 So what is the like for for the layman? 65 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,480 For someone who has no idea what sovereign computing is or what 66 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,200 the benefits of running your own server, your own, your own 67 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,960 computer, essentially, rather than relying on someone else's, 68 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,320 what would be the benefits of using your AI right that you're 69 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,680 running at home versus, you know, using something like 70 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,360 ChatGPT? Sure. 71 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,160 So there's the broad question there, which is using your own 72 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,080 server as opposed to somebody else's. 73 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,040 And then there's more specifically using AI on your 74 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,720 own server as opposed to an AI on somebody else's. 75 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,960 So I'll answer the more specific one first and then extrapolate 76 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,440 from there. So basically you know when you 77 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,240 are using something like ChatGPT. 78 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,480 You're entering a query, and that query is being sent to a 79 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,880 server that is owned and operated by Open AI. 80 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:53,120 Open AI now has a record of you asking this question. 81 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,000 They are using the question and the answers and your 82 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,840 interactions to train their own models for their own proprietary 83 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,960 purposes. And lastly, what you are getting 84 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,000 in response is a. Completely black box. 85 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,760 You don't know where that response is coming from. 86 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:14,160 You don't know what degree of, you know, bias or censorship is 87 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,160 being applied. So a open AI as a company could 88 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,720 basically just lie to you and you would think that you're 89 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,960 talking to this brilliant AI when in fact you're just getting 90 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,920 a censored response from Open AI the company. 91 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,320 So if you want to interact with AI honestly and with integrity, 92 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,000 you need to. Run your own instance of the 93 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,640 model and that way you know it's not being tampered with. 94 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,240 So that is that is the main reason why you'd want to use 95 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,760 your own AI is not only because it's private and because you may 96 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,360 want to ask this thing questions that you're not comfortable open 97 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,920 AI, the company knowing. And two, you want to make sure 98 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,080 that the answers that you're getting are genuine in so far as 99 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,440 they, you know, can be from that from that model. 100 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,520 Extrapolating from there, why run a your own server at all? 101 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,760 Well, you can imagine the same basic pattern for all of your 102 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,280 computing needs, whether it's sending a message or sharing a 103 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:20,440 photo, or storing your files or your passwords. 104 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,040 When you do this on somebody else's computer, you know one 105 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,120 they have complete insight into everything that you're doing. 106 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,000 There's no privacy. Dragnet surveillance and 107 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,040 specific invasion of privacy is is pretty much commonplace at 108 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,640 this point. You can be censored, you don't 109 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,800 know if what you're getting from these servers is tampered with 110 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:50,240 and it costs money. So in many cases you are paying 111 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,920 either with your data because they are mining it and selling 112 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,920 it to advertisers, or you're paying with your money. 113 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,680 On a monthly subscription basis. And then lastly, whenever you 114 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,720 use somebody else's server, whether it's for AI purposes or 115 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:10,000 anything else, those servers are often storing the data of 116 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,360 millions of people and are there for prime targets for attack. 117 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,560 And it is only a matter of time before they get hacked and all 118 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,800 the data is leaked and then your private information is leaked to 119 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,280 hackers. Even though they weren't 120 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,840 targeting you specifically, they were targeting the server that 121 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,160 was acting as a honeypot of data. 122 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,160 And so you were just collateral damage in a cyber warfare that 123 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,400 you never opted into, or you did opt into but didn't realize you 124 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,920 were opting into it. So running your own server 125 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,440 eliminates all of that. It's private, it's censorship 126 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,840 resistant, it's free, and there's no counterparty risk of 127 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,600 being hacked. Gotcha. 128 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,640 So another exciting announcement that you guys made recently, and 129 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,520 the community has received it extremely well is you guys have 130 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:05,360 announced that you're moving to the MIT, the open source stuff, 131 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,600 which I think is really, really exciting. 132 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,800 Why did you guys decide to do that and what were you guys 133 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,720 doing before? So start OS is what you're 134 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,600 referring to, which is our main product is what we make. 135 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:25,520 Has recently been switched over to the MIT license, which is the 136 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,240 most permissive license possible. 137 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,840 In fact, it's more permissive than no license at all, because 138 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,280 in the IP world, no license at all defaults to proprietary 139 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,799 rights of the author. So MIT is basically your way of 140 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:44,159 announcing that there is no license, right? 141 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:47,800 It's your way of just being like this is in no way shape or form. 142 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,080 A property of the individual or company that produced it. 143 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,080 And so that's what we published start OS as now that's what 144 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,960 Bitcoin was published at. And in our opinion it is really 145 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:07,520 the only truly free license. Other licenses that are very 146 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:12,560 common in the Foss world are things like a GPLGPL. 147 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:18,880 Licenses are free in every way. Accept that they require the 148 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,520 consumer or the person accessing that code to likewise publish 149 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,280 their own derivations of that code in an open source manner, 150 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,320 meaning it restricts your freedom to close source the 151 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,880 software. And so we figured if we were 152 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,760 going to go, you know, the Foss route and really make this a 153 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,760 free piece of software, that we'd better not, you know? 154 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,640 Cut corners or be hypocrites about it and we might as well 155 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,640 just set it free. So we set it completely free. 156 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,680 Start OS no longer belongs to Start 9. 157 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:55,960 As a company we are its stewards, we are its engineering 158 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,440 team. We're going to pour our 159 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,240 lifeblood into it. But from our proprietary sense, 160 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,280 we have absolutely no rights to it whatsoever. 161 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,440 Or let me put stated more clearly, we have the same rights 162 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:06,960 to it as anybody else in the world. 163 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,840 What we were before was an open source license with a non 164 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,640 commercial clause. So not FOS, FOS standing for 165 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,040 free and open source software. This was more like OS open 166 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,440 source software minus the free part. 167 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,720 It was free in a lot of ways. As in, you could access it, 168 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,520 change it, fork it, download it, distribute it. 169 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,240 Use it. You could do whatever. 170 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,320 You wanted the only thing that you weren't allowed to do with 171 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,440 Start OS in the past was monetize it. 172 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,080 You could not. Sell it as your own. 173 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,720 You could not install it onto hardware and then sell that 174 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,480 hardware. That right was reserved for 175 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,880 Start 9. And so that is all we've changed 176 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:55,760 is that we have relinquished our exclusive right to sell the 177 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,480 software gotcha. And so and then from a from a 178 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,520 company perspective like does that worry you at all that 179 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,520 potentially you can be giving the your code away to a 180 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,240 potential competitor in the future? 181 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:17,520 No. Like could you elaborate what do 182 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:23,680 you mean? So we are sure that competitors, 183 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,600 more competitors will arise as a result of this then would 184 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,440 otherwise have arisen. So for instance, we've already 185 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,640 been contacted by multiple individuals who are like, hey, 186 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,440 does this mean that I can? Install Start OS onto many PCs 187 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,280 in my country and sell them. And I said absolutely, please do 188 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:48,000 right? Like we're also selling in that 189 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,400 country. So technically this is 190 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,120 competition for us. But ultimately Start OS is not 191 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,440 our business model. Start OS is the backbone of a 192 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,120 new computing paradigm. There's going to be a whole 193 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:06,280 bunch of business models that arise on top of Start OS and you 194 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,840 know. Because start OS had to be 195 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:14,880 source available, meaning it had to have the source code visible 196 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,720 even if it was on a in a proprietary license, right? 197 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,380 Even if it was with the non commercial clause, if start O s 198 00:12:21,380 --> 00:12:25,640 s source code was not visible, it wouldn't be safe at all. 199 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,200 It would be extremely like nobody would use it. 200 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,160 You'd be stupid to use it right if you if you ran a. 201 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,040 Personal server with close source software. 202 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,440 I would consider that to be dumb. 203 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,880 And to be fair, it is like what we do with like our Macbooks, 204 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,360 right? Like it's all closed source 205 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,960 software. But there's no there's not a lot 206 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,280 of ways around that right now. Yes, you can run a Linux device. 207 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:55,120 But anyway, I I digress. Because it had to be open source 208 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,680 available, because the source code had to be visible. 209 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,480 It was inevitable, right? It was unavoidable that we were 210 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:08,600 going to face competition. In the form of people who, even 211 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,440 if they don't copy paste the code line for line, can 212 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,440 literally just see what we did and if they're well resourced, 213 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,360 right? Like if it's a well resourced, 214 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,360 talented team, they could write it in C Plus. 215 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,000 Plus, instead of Ross, right and and and we would have no 216 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,640 recourse. It's not like our license 217 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,920 wouldn't apply because they didn't copy paste our code. 218 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,200 So the very fact that we were sharing the code made it 219 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:38,000 practically the same as. Giving the code away because 220 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,720 somebody could always reverse engineer it and and do it 221 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,320 anyway. So it's kind of a an illusory 222 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:49,040 protection to have a non commercial clause in most cases. 223 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,200 But we didn't have it for no reason. 224 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:58,200 We had the non commercial clause there for about 2 1/2 years and 225 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:05,320 we had it there to protect against any very well funded. 226 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,400 Company that could basically out market us, right. 227 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,520 So the only thing that we were protecting against was our own 228 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,880 lack of brand awareness because nobody knew who Start Nine was 229 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:25,440 and knew that we made Start OS and that there was no no brand 230 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,040 recognition at all. During the early days anyone 231 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,040 would have been able to basically take that code and 232 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,560 just be like this is ours and we would never would have even come 233 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,200 to the surface. So the only reason that we had 234 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,120 the non commercial clause there was to stave off any 235 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:46,240 opportunistic VC funded kind of like you know thieves so to 236 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,560 speak who just come in and like see oh wow, they're really doing 237 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,640 something good except they're not very good at marketing. 238 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,880 So we're going to get really good at marketing and. 239 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,280 Drown them out with noise. We feel strong enough now as a 240 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:06,440 brand to not be squashed out like that. 241 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,640 It would be very difficult at this point for somebody to 242 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:15,280 disassociate start OS from start 9 for somebody to claim to be 243 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,160 the inventors of start OS, right? 244 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,560 And so the brand equity is really what we needed. 245 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,080 And we finally felt like we had reached a point where. 246 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,480 We had the critical mass of support. 247 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,000 Such that nobody would do it Now were they going to do that 248 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,680 anyway? Probably not, right? 249 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,800 It was probably an unnecessary protection. 250 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,040 However, it didn't hurt us either, right? 251 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,720 Having that protection was was a free protection. 252 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,640 Like, does a 4 foot picket fence help you against a home invader? 253 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,400 Not really. Maybe they'll trip over it. 254 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,920 So there's this like small maybe added protection. 255 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,720 But because it's totally easy to do and totally free, it didn't 256 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,840 really make a difference. So gotcha, That's the long 257 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,080 winded explanation. But no, we are where we are now 258 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,840 and I'm glad that you you clarified it. 259 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,200 Someone in the chat actually had a pretty good question. 260 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,360 I'm gonna pull it up so you can answer it. 261 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:14,240 So Andrew Saman said Matt, can you explain how start OS is 262 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,680 different from running Linux? Cool start. 263 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,880 OS is Linux. Start OS is start OS is Linux 264 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:29,360 just like Ubuntu or Fedora or pop OS. 265 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,480 Those are all Linux as well, right Linux? 266 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,560 Is a, is a. Kernel it's a. 267 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,760 It's an underlying operating system. 268 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,120 But there are many layers on top of Linux that define the 269 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,520 ultimate operating system experience. 270 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,440 So start. OS is a Linux distro. 271 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,000 But it is the first and only I believe I can make those claims. 272 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:58,240 Linux distro whose user experience because I'll go 273 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,200 beyond just the UI, but the whole experience is oriented 274 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:08,079 around the ability to run a server OK as opposed to a 275 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,720 computer. So most Linux distros like 276 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:18,359 Debian or Ubuntu, Fedora. They're all optimized to run 277 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,400 your laptop or your desktop, right? 278 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,200 They are client device operating systems. 279 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,680 That's what the graphical interface is for. 280 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,200 Like when you look at the graphical interface, you see a 281 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,840 desktop because it's designed for a laptop or desktop 282 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,160 computer. It's designed to be used by a 283 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,600 person using a laptop if you want your Linux distro, such as 284 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:47,160 Debian. To be used for a server, you 285 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,120 have to go beneath the graphical interface, pop the hood, open 286 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:55,840 the command line and get on the get on the terminal on the 287 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,640 terminal command line. So Linux is the server operating 288 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,880 system. It's like Linux is how people 289 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,400 use servers, but it's not through the graphical interface. 290 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,840 People use Linux from the command line. 291 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,600 So what we have done? What start OS is? 292 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:17,800 Is a Linux distro where the command line, everything that 293 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,600 you would ordinarily do on the command line has been codified 294 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,680 into and represented in a graphical interface. 295 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,960 So it is the first Linux distro whose graphical interface is 296 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:35,200 designed to administer a server. And that is unique. 297 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,520 Why? Nobody has done that before. 298 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,600 We think we know why. Probably because. 299 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,680 Very few people had needs to run a server, so there just wasn't a 300 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:52,240 large perceived user base of like, you know, everyone just 301 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,920 assumed that individuals can't run servers. 302 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,920 That's just always been the assumption, and more and more 303 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,960 it's assumed that businesses can't run servers either. 304 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,000 Unless you're some huge enterprise and you have two sys 305 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,400 admins, 2 IT people, and two DevOps engineers on staff, it's 306 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,080 basically assumed that you're just going to subscribe to some 307 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,760 cloud software because running a server is too hard. 308 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,800 So there's been this perception for a couple decades probably 309 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,080 that running a server is beyond the skill set and needs of an 310 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,480 average person. And So what has happened is 2 311 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,400 things have changed over the last couple of decades 1. 312 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,720 Is the need to run a server is rapidly rising as the world 313 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,520 clamps down on digital infrastructure, right? 314 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,320 As surveillance and invasion of privacy and censorship and costs 315 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:46,560 and hacks all rise, the need to run a server is greater and 316 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,400 greater. That's number one. 317 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,640 Number two is start OS has lowered the barrier to entry. 318 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,680 It's made it easier and easier. So what's happening is the need 319 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,480 to run a server is rising. And the ability to run a server 320 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,160 is getting lower and we think we're reaching an inflection 321 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,240 point where this may be a multi, multi million person market. 322 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,160 Yeah, And you know, I I love the way that you broke it down, 323 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,320 basically making it so that the, you know, everyday person could 324 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:22,480 run this. And in my particular case, you 325 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,960 know, I'm, I'm pretty computer savvy in the sense of like I 326 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,080 know how to, you know, manage my way around. 327 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,680 But do I have the technical know how to set up a server using 328 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,200 Linux? Absolutely not. 329 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,040 But I remember for a long time I, you know I first started with 330 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,040 the Bitcoin node. I think I started with my node 331 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,960 then I migrated to noddle and then we were at the conference 332 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:52,040 for at Bitcoin 2022 or Bitcoin 2023 and you were telling me 333 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,600 about the and it was the pre sale, right? 334 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,360 And then I was like, OK, but can I run Electrum on it? 335 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:01,440 And you're like, yeah, you can absolutely run Electrum on it. 336 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,120 And it has an I7 and it's the fastest thing you'll ever run. 337 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:08,560 I was like take my money, Matt and I got the special edition, I 338 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,440 got the the made Xbox and and everything. 339 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,400 Those are cool and I've been running it ever since and it's 340 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,000 amazing. And then when I figured out how 341 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,800 to which is the primary use and we just started using BTC pay 342 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,000 server for simply and we just started kind of exploring all 343 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,760 the other functionalities that it has. 344 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:33,480 But my my main like motivation behind running it was I wanted 345 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,960 to be able to connect to my Bitcoin wallet remotely anywhere 346 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,960 around the world without having to use someone else's node, 347 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:43,880 right? I wanted to connect directly to 348 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:49,960 my node and it was with the start 9 pure that I finally was 349 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,120 able to do that and I and I do it through Tor. 350 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,400 I remember I was told I was like Nikko through Tor, it's not that 351 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,800 fast. That's not true. 352 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:04,640 Like actually the start 9 pure is faster in what what's it 353 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,920 called indexing. I think that's the that's the 354 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,360 the terminology for it. Yeah, the IBD, the initial block 355 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:14,600 syncing, yeah the initial the, the the index then then running 356 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,040 and nothing against those. Guys elect Rs. 357 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,320 Yeah yeah nothing against those guys but it's faster than using 358 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:26,080 a my node to do that and the obvious reason is because of the 359 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,200 hardware right. The start 9 pure that's a it's 360 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,480 an actual computer right. Like you're you're running a an 361 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:39,000 actual computer with a legit CPU legit RAM and I had such a good 362 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,000 experience. I even Uncle Jim's opti too to 363 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,480 like you know I gave him my my my onion address and whatever 364 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,200 and now he's using it but it's such a like it it it made it 365 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:55,040 easy for me to benefit from that anywhere and then I travel a lot 366 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,800 anywhere around the world. I can connect to my start nine 367 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,560 node have my stuff synced and not docks my like not docks my 368 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,800 address not docks my balances not docks my IP address and that 369 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,680 was really really refreshing and and I and that's something that 370 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,240 I wanted to do for years but the start nine really made it easy 371 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,600 for me to do that So yeah it kinda goes to what you're saying 372 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,280 about making it easy for the layman. 373 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,560 So other than the fanatical bitcoiners that are worried 374 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:29,440 about not doxing their Bitcoin addresses, who do you see is the 375 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,760 next potential customer for start? 376 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,880 Nine. Cuz I'm sure that you guys are 377 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,000 you're you're you're. The way that you're looking at 378 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,480 it is beyond just bitcoiners. I think bitcoiners open the door 379 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:46,280 for sure, but who is your next enthusiast enthusiast that you 380 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,680 guys are thinking that could become potential customers? 381 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,240 Well, let me let me. Rewind a couple of years real 382 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,840 quick just to explain kind of our progression through 383 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,920 different markets and demographics. 384 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,960 So when we set out to build, start OS. 385 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,160 Which again is not a Bitcoin product, right? 386 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,800 It's it's a Linux distribution operating system that just makes 387 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,560 self hosting easier than any other Linux distro. 388 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,960 That's what we do here at the time though. 389 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,720 We're all bitcoiners. So the main thing that we wanted 390 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,280 to self host was our own Bitcoin node and lightning node and you 391 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,240 had just talked a lot about. Bitcoin, but to be honest. 392 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,560 Running a lightning node is even more important than running a 393 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,480 Bitcoin node, right? Like running a Bitcoin node is 394 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,160 is really nice for availability if you like want to perform a 395 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,840 transaction and your remote and you want to verify the the 396 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,160 inbound funds. But you know, no, not many block 397 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,400 explorers are faking transactions. 398 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,720 And you can always run a Bitcoin node on a device that's not on 399 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,280 24/7 and just sync it up every once in a while whenever you 400 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,920 need to use it There's like. It's good to run a Bitcoin node. 401 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,320 We promote it. I run one, you should run one. 402 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:08,480 But there's not like some critical security or or, you 403 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,800 know, loss of funds risk if if you're not running a Bitcoin 404 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,520 node because your keys are just cold, they're just offline and 405 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,960 the worst case scenario is that you're temporarily. 406 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,600 Having to use somebody else's node to verify a transaction. 407 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,040 That's like the worst case scenario. 408 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:26,120 If everyone did that, then the worst case scenario would be 409 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:29,280 that the network is not enforcing consensus rules in a 410 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,960 way that where everyone has a vote, but but running a 411 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,280 lightning note is actually like really, really important. 412 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:41,360 There's been some things in recent history that have made 413 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,440 people think that running a lightning note is not as 414 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,920 important. So you know LSP integrated 415 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,040 wallets like Phoenix. And Zeus and Zeus is different 416 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,160 because Zeus has optionality to like connect to your own node. 417 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,360 So Zeus is like the the everything wallet and it's our 418 00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,320 favorite of all the lightning wallets. 419 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,880 But there's this trend in like Breeze and Zeus and. 420 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,200 Phoenix to be like, Oh no, no no no, you don't have to run a 421 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,400 node. You know, your phone runs a 422 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,040 light node, and the light node connects to our node, and then 423 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,440 our node opens a channel with your light node just in time. 424 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,920 And in case you need to receive funds when you're not online, 425 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,360 the funds will actually be held by our node until you do come 426 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:25,280 online. And it's like, oh boy, like all 427 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,000 the sudden we are rapidly in the Lightning world introducing 428 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,280 intermediaries, right, Not custodians. 429 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,400 They're not storing the money. But they are your access points 430 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,680 and not in the same way that a Bitcoin node is your access 431 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,680 point. Because I can generate A 432 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,840 transaction and broadcast it through one of any thousand 433 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,920 nodes laying around in the world, I can just broadcast my 434 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,640 transaction through any node and it'll get to the network. 435 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,280 So censorship is really difficult. 436 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,200 But with Lightning, it's not like that. 437 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,640 These are payment channels. So when you have a Phoenix 438 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,200 wallet and somebody sends you money. 439 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,160 And you're like, Oh my God, that was magic. 440 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,200 I didn't even need to have a node. 441 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,160 And the money just arrived and it showed up there. 442 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,760 It's like you're completely beholden to Phoenix at that 443 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,160 point, right? Maybe not forever, but there is 444 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,560 an enormous amount of trust and censorship capabilities there. 445 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,960 And not to mention KYC, even though they're not collecting 446 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,160 information, there is some pretty. 447 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,680 Very simple metadata analysis like IP tracking that can be 448 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,960 done to just see who you are, how much money you have, and 449 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,880 then say yes or no to your ability to send and receive it. 450 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,760 And I don't know if Bitcoiners fully realize how potentially 451 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,840 dangerous this path that we're going down for Lightning is. 452 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:50,080 We are rapidly making trade off decisions in favor of 453 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,120 convenience over decentralization. 454 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,400 And Start 9 intends to be the counterbalance to that, right? 455 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,080 Like, we want to reiterate like, yeah, for small amounts and 456 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,200 depending on who you are and where you are, this might be 457 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,880 fine for you to use something like Phoenix or the Zeus LSP or 458 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,480 something like that. But long term, we really need 459 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,920 people running Lightning notes, because otherwise the network is 460 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,160 going to be very it's going to have a lot of choke points and a 461 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,160 lot of people are going to end up on the wrong side of of 462 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,920 censorship there, so. Our goal is to make it as easy 463 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,520 as possible to self host and that includes a Bitcoin node, 464 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,680 but it even more so includes a lightning node. 465 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,480 You've got to run your own lightning nodes and connect to 466 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,960 them from your client wallets on your phones and your laptops. 467 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,280 That was a bit of a digression, but I wanted to set the stage 468 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,480 because it says sort of why we started where we started, which 469 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,760 is that Bitcoiners had a need to self host more so than many 470 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,200 demographics in this world, so like. 471 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,000 Yeah, people might say I would prefer to host my files on my 472 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,720 own server, but I'm currently using Google Drive. 473 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,240 But they're just talking, right? They're just saying that like 474 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,280 they don't. They're not actually going to 475 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,840 carve out time on their weekend and like de Google their file 476 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,600 systems, like very few people would. 477 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,840 Maybe some hobbyists, maybe some extremists, but your average 478 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,400 person is just not going to do that. 479 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,800 So while we had a product for them. 480 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:27,920 There wasn't the immediate fire and desire to to take action, 481 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,800 whereas with bitcoiners we we saw this twofold overlap in 482 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:39,000 ideology #1 is that the idea of self hosting and taking control 483 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,800 of your data is very much identical to the idea of, you 484 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,040 know, sound money and you know, digital cash. 485 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,320 And you know, this censorship resistant network of of trust 486 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,240 that Bitcoin is, there's this huge overlap and so it's like 487 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,480 it's hard to be a self hosted Linux distro company and not be 488 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,160 a bitcoiner. I believe that there are people 489 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,240 in this world who could pull that off through a degree of 490 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,280 cognitive dissonance, but they really go hand in hand, and so 491 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,160 we. Explicitly went after 492 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,200 bitcoiners, right? Because one, we were and our 493 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,440 bitcoiners. But we also saw that as like a 494 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,680 these people have a need for this and they're going to get it 495 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,520 quickly because they've already gone down a rabbit hole. 496 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,160 They already have the the brain training and mechanism to like, 497 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,760 understand what we're doing. Because I could go and say this 498 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,240 to a lot of people and their eyes would just cross and they'd 499 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,440 be like. I I don't. 500 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,120 Get it? Like I don't understand what 501 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,760 you're saying. Self hosting, decentralization, 502 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,160 but these words have deep meaning to Bitcoiner. 503 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,520 So that's where we started. That is our base. 504 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,600 That is our consumer customer base. 505 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,280 It is our political. Base It is our base of support 506 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:58,040 and enthusiasm, and we will always cater to our base, right? 507 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,920 Bitcoiners are our core ethos. However, Bitcoiners aren't the 508 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,080 whole world. We hope eventually they will be 509 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,960 and everyone will become one. But in the absence of that 510 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,080 happening overnight, we are trying to make efforts to reach 511 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,760 out to everyone else. You know, like the people who 512 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,000 are sharing photos through Dropbox and the people who are 513 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,160 hosting their passwords on LastPass. 514 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,680 We're just like, how do we convince these people that what 515 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,440 they're doing is super dangerous, unsustainable, and 516 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,640 that there's a better way, a cheaper, faster? 517 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,000 I don't know if it's faster, but it's definitely cheaper and it's 518 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,720 definitely safer and it's getting equally good. 519 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:47,760 So where we're going is really trying to push into markets like 520 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:54,920 anarchists, your more hardcore libertarians, your home 521 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,840 homesteaders, and like, you know, home labbers and 522 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,120 hobbyists. This is who we're going after, 523 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,480 People who have a tendency to be a little bit more independent, a 524 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,480 little bit more insulted by the thought of companies and 525 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,480 governments all up in their business. 526 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,760 So we're really trying to go after these people. 527 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,440 But to be honest, we haven't had a lot of success. 528 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,120 Bitcoiners remain the ones who get it. 529 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,760 Bitcoiners remain the front of the movement in the revolution, 530 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,680 and it's just going to take a. While for everyone else to catch 531 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,240 up, I think a hundred 100% and I, I, I and that's something you 532 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,600 know that Opti and I call it this the concept of the of the 533 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,800 Bitcoin echo chamber right. And it's like you know how do 534 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,600 you how do you like yes, the money's broken right? 535 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,120 Or in in the case of start nine like yes you know people are 536 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,000 using someone else's computer to put it simply. 537 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,240 But the the bigger question is how do you break that echo 538 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,440 chamber? How do you get people to care? 539 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,120 Right. And we've had this discussion in 540 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,880 the past when you've come on you believe it's a multi 541 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,280 generational thing. And I and I've Opti and I really 542 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,680 have put a tremendous amount of thought into this and I truly 543 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,960 believe it's about winning over the culture. 544 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,800 Like you have to win over the culture. 545 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,480 If the mainstream culture is not asking questions like should I, 546 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,720 should I be trusting someone else's computer, Should I be, 547 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,920 you know what is money like? Very basic questions. 548 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,720 If that is not in the mainstream consciousness this, this remains 549 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,840 niche in a way. And I think that's a very heavy 550 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,720 lift. I don't think, I don't think 551 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,640 it's something that it's unsurmountable, but it's you 552 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,960 know, it's the challenge at hand in front of us now. 553 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,400 I kind of wanted to double back to something in the beginning of 554 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,400 the conversation that I was curious about. 555 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,200 Right. So you open source your 556 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,960 software. How? 557 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,920 What's your business model as a company? 558 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,400 How do you plan to? How do you guys make money? 559 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,720 It's a good question because it actually plays into the previous 560 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,240 dovetails from the previous conversation which is about 561 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,400 target markets, right. So, so the way we've always made 562 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,639 money from the day we announced ourselves was the day we sold 563 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:17,960 our first product is that we sell hardware devices. 564 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,760 That are pre installed with start OS plug and play 565 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,320 experiences. You can download start OS from 566 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,560 the Internet from our GitHub. You could even compile it from 567 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,800 source if you want and then flash it to a mini PC, an old 568 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,120 laptop, an old desktop. You could even run it on AVM on 569 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,960 AVPS. Start OS is very flexible, but 570 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,159 most people in this world even bitcoiners. 571 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,880 Want to plug it in? They just want to open a box and 572 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,800 plug it in and know that it worked with assurances, right? 573 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,920 They don't want to just blindly trust everything, but they want 574 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,640 everyone wants convenience. We're all busy, right? 575 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,920 We're all stressed. It's a stressful time in history 576 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:12,600 and those of us who are fighting are busy and stressed and so we 577 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,880 need a degree of of. Care and convenience. 578 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,680 And So what start Nine has monetized really is convenience. 579 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:23,360 We say, look, of course you can get this for free, you can do 580 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,000 whatever you want. You don't even have to involve 581 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,240 us. But if you do choose to involve 582 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:31,760 us, it's not a big fee. It's not like we're gouging on 583 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,880 prices. We're selling plug and play 584 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,720 devices at very reasonable cost that you could get anywhere else 585 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:40,720 at the same cost. And then you get us as well, 586 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,360 right? Like we're here for you start 587 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,880 Nine has the best support. Whatever. 588 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:49,520 I don't know of a better company at support than Start 9. 589 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,320 And I'm not just talking about in the Bitcoin space. 590 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,480 I mean, period. We, our average response time to 591 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,160 any and all customer inquiries across all channels over the 592 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,680 last 3 1/2 years is under 10 minutes. 593 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,280 We respond to any and all inquiries on all channels in 594 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,440 under 10 minutes and we solve them. 595 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,560 We drive them to ground and we make people happy. 596 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,800 And that's why our reputation has gotten to where it is today. 597 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,440 We are known for this and we're proud of it and we're going to 598 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,680 scale it. And we can monetize that, right? 599 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,720 That's how most businesses in this world, prior to digital IP, 600 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:26,520 prior to the whole Facebook SAS boom bullshit, just had to earn 601 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,800 their keep, right? They had to provide a great 602 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,080 product and great service and charge for it. 603 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:35,200 Of course, people could always, you know, whittle their own 604 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,280 tables and chairs. But they didn't. 605 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,160 They went to a furniture. Store and bought. 606 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,560 One, because they didn't have to. 607 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,960 Do it themselves and spend all the time. 608 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,360 They didn't have to, you know, worry about what happens if a 609 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,840 leg breaks. They can call in the warranty, 610 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,240 right? We sell our devices with a 611 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,280 warranty that's worth something. And so we're really an old 612 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,920 school business. We build a product, we sell it 613 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,080 and then we provide support for it. 614 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,240 We're not rent seeking. We don't gouge you with 615 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,240 subscriptions. We don't lock you in. 616 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,720 It's just good old fashioned business and we will continue to 617 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,680 do that. And we believe that that can be 618 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,040 a very big business that that doesn't need to be something 619 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,040 niche. So more specifically, where 620 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,040 we're going from here is that now that we have Start OS as the 621 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,960 backbone of a new computing paradigm, forget don't even 622 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,960 think about it as just an OS, right Start OS enables a new way 623 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,680 of using computers, namely the elimination. 624 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,080 Of trusted third parties from the entire computing paradigm 625 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,400 where I can do anything. I can talk to anyone, share 626 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,240 files, conduct financial transactions, anything I want, 627 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,920 and there's no terms and conditions. 628 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,160 There's no subscriptions. Nothing is ever stored on 629 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,680 somebody else's server. Nothing is ever viewed by any 630 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,720 person on earth. It's purely a private digital 631 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:05,080 experience. That's what Start OS enables, 632 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,320 right? It's not Start OS makes that 633 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,280 fully, it's that Start OS was the necessary prerequisite, the 634 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,960 necessary backbone of that kind of a computing paradigm. 635 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,440 So what are people going to want to do with this private digital 636 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,080 existence? You know what, we think the 637 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,560 number one thing that they're going to be excited about and 638 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,680 want to do is hook other devices up to it. 639 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,720 Right. Do you have security cameras in 640 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,920 your home, Nico? Oh, maybe that's the wrong 641 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,880 question. Do you know people who who have 642 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,720 security cameras in their home like nest cameras and drop cams 643 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:41,560 and stuff? Like that, right? 644 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,520 Yeah, of course. The, the, the temperature thing, 645 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,920 the, you know, the camera the. And the doorbells and stuff, 646 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,720 right, 100%. These are awesome products, OK? 647 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,160 And these are the future of humanity, right? 648 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,160 Everything is gonna be smart. Everything should be smart. 649 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,520 Like, that's a good thing. I want a connected world. 650 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,880 It's a smarter, more convenient connected world. 651 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,560 It's a leverage on productivity. I can do more in that world than 652 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,520 I can do in the ancient analogue world. 653 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,760 Doesn't mean you have to. It just means that you can, 654 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:14,960 right? It's leverage on your own 655 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,960 productivity. However, I don't use a lot of 656 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,840 IoT devices, right? I had an Alexa for like a month 657 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,080 and then I put it in a box, right? 658 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,560 Never to be seen again. Because there was this ominous 659 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,320 presence about it. There's this really insidious 660 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:42,480 dark aura around these devices, and it's no different than using 661 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,120 software through somebody else's server. 662 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,200 In essence, it's no different, but it feels different. 663 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,000 Because it's brought into the physical world, OK? 664 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,800 It's like out of sight is out of mind. 665 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,440 When you text message your friends or you have a video chat 666 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:06,560 with your friends, you don't really feel the presence of 667 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,000 Zoom, of Telegram. You don't actually kind of, 668 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,200 like, feel like an employee is sitting between you and your 669 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,160 friend, right? The analog that I like to bring 670 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,320 up for this is like, let's pretend that you're sitting in 671 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,640 your home. And instead of talking to me, so 672 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,760 like you and I are sitting in your home, we're having a beer 673 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,080 and we're talking. But instead of talking to each 674 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,160 other, we're passing messages to a Telegram employee who's 675 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,800 sitting between us, like, literally on the couch between 676 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,800 US. And I say, hey, tell Nico I said 677 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,040 what's up, and then he tells you right? 678 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,560 And then you tell him to tell me hi back. 679 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,000 The the absurdity of that would be immediately apparent. 680 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,840 And not only is it absurd, it's incredibly undignified, right? 681 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,840 It is like, I want to, like, punch this person in the face, 682 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,240 like get out of my living room. I'm trying to talk to Nico, OK? 683 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,960 And that is what these smart devices do, is it makes us 684 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,960 realize for the first time most people, for the first time, that 685 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,120 this is how all of our computing interactions are, is that 686 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,200 there's this device between me and the thing I'm trying to do, 687 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,960 and this device comes at a monthly subscription. 688 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,840 It cost me money. If I don't pay it, I suddenly 689 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,880 can't view. I can't store video footage of 690 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,680 my home anymore. They can turn off my camera. 691 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,520 They can watch me anytime they want to. 692 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,480 Fucking live video feed. And if some employee at Google 693 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,600 can just watch me in my home, OK, it's like, it's incredibly 694 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,640 undignified and it's never going to happen. 695 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,200 Like, my view of this is that they're just barking up the 696 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,560 wrong tree. That this is the largest mistake 697 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,440 in the history of technological innovation in the last 50 years 698 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:57,680 at least, is that we had a big oopsie moment as a species over 699 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,400 the last 20 years by migrating all of computing infrastructure 700 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,600 to centralized cloud data farms. It is one of, in retrospect, 701 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,640 history is going to view this as a like facepalm. 702 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,320 What the fuck were those ancient humans thinking when they 703 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,680 thought that that was actually going to work? 704 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,120 It was invasion of privacy, mass surveillance, censorship, high 705 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,240 cost, third counterparty hacks, and on top of that, it's just 706 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:30,640 completely undignified. It's embarrassing to communicate 707 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,200 and operate like children in a room where parents have to give 708 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,080 you permission to say and do everything that you want. 709 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,680 It's ridiculous. And so with that in mind, that 710 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,200 is our essential thesis as a company is that this is dumb, 711 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:49,360 that SAS is dumb, that third party cloud IoT is dumb, and 712 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,120 that there's a completely better model. 713 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,960 And So what we are going to do is ultimately we're going to be 714 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,040 selling devices that are not servers, right? 715 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,760 Next year you'll be able to buy a Start 9 router, You'll be able 716 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,640 to buy a Start Nine security camera, and these devices will 717 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,200 be yours, completely and utterly yours. 718 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,000 You will plug them in, tap a couple of buttons, and then 719 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,120 you'll be able to go anywhere in the world and watch live video 720 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,920 footage of your home from your cell phone in such a way that 721 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:29,000 not only can nobody see the video footage or censor it, but 722 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,040 nobody even knows that it exists, right? 723 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:39,560 We're talking about a completely private, smart fleet of devices 724 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,440 that are connected over a private, anonymous network 725 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,360 globally. And even if somebody doesn't 726 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,720 understand how that you know pie is baked or why it's super 727 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:59,840 important, our basic normie consumer hypothesis is as 728 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,640 follows. In hand a You can get a camera 729 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:10,680 from Google that will cost you, I don't know, $100, and it'll 730 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,600 cost you 20 or $30.00 a month forever. 731 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,920 All the video footage will be stored on Google servers. 732 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,400 They can look at your home anytime they want. 733 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,160 They can cut you off anytime they want. 734 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,040 It's not protected by any sort of 4th Amendment rights. 735 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,440 The illegal searches and seizures means any government 736 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,960 official can walk into Google and just request access to that 737 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,720 video footage. And if Google servers ever get 738 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,840 hacked, that video footage is going to be all over the world. 739 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,840 So that's option A. Option B is instead of $100 for 740 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,520 the camera, you're going to pay more. 741 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,720 You're going to pay maybe $300.00 for the camera, but 742 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:49,280 it'll never cost you another cent again. 743 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,360 It's free for life. There's no subscriptions. 744 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,480 All the video footage is stored automatically on a server in 745 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,840 your home that you control. You access the video footage 746 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,400 privately, from anywhere in the world without asking permission 747 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,400 from anyone. And we just think that this is a 748 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,640 better option, especially especially if there are 749 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,720 financing options. Because again, the reason Amazon 750 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:17,040 is able to sell Alexa's for like $20 and the reason Google is 751 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,480 able to sell Nest cameras for $50, it's because they're losing 752 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,760 money on that sale and locking you in to a rent seeking 753 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,800 subscription model. So if you don't want that and 754 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,040 you don't want the invasion of privacy and the censorship and 755 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,040 all the rest that comes with it, people are going to have to get 756 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,440 used to this idea of owning things again, right? 757 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,520 The the Google thing is the you'll own nothing and be happy. 758 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,880 And the the start nine thing is, well, you'll own everything and 759 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,280 you'll. I don't actually. 760 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,000 I need to finish that analogy you'll. 761 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,960 Actually, be happy, yeah, you'll you'll be free and independent. 762 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,240 You'll actually be happy though. Happiness. 763 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,240 You'll be free and independent. Free and independent. 764 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:01,480 I love that. OK, so wow, so much to unpack 765 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,760 there. Love the analogy. 766 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,640 And then I think what you're referring to is IoT, right? 767 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,560 The Internet of Things, correct? Anything that's connectable. 768 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,160 That includes like a smart watch, for example, as well. 769 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,680 Wearables are going to be huge, man. 770 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,680 Can you imagine? So my dream device here, my like 771 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,440 dream thing, and I've said this for many years even before start 772 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:28,240 nine, was an idea is I want my body like wired up, like like 773 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:29,560 discreetly. Obviously I don't want to be 774 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,000 walking around with like things connected to my head because it 775 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,080 might look odd. But like I want to know 776 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,640 everything about myself. Like I want I want sensors, like 777 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,640 collecting like brain wave activity and heart rate and 778 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,680 blood sugar and and I want all that data to then be interpreted 779 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,440 by some super smart algorithm and AI and categorized. 780 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,280 And I want it to look for correlations. 781 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,720 I want to be told things that were unimaginable like hey Matt 782 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,360 Ding Ding Ding Correlation found Did you know that every single 783 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:07,280 time you eat a banana and miss two hour and and get less than 8 784 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,520 hours of sleep for three days in a row, your blood sugar rises 785 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,320 causing you to feel a certain way? 786 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,720 You are bearing the lead, my friend. 787 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,560 OK, and this is what you're bearing. 788 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,880 This is what you're bearing. So right now, the reason that 789 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,920 that sounds freaky to everyone, yes, is because you are sending 790 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,240 that data to someone else. Yes. 791 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,440 But what if you don't? What if you remove that element 792 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,120 all together and you are the sole owner of that data, then 793 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,680 All of? All of a sudden that seems 794 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,600 personally, that sounds alluring to me because it's like, oh, 795 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,440 it's telling me my vitals. It's telling me my health. 796 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,480 I'm the owner of that, let's say, for whatever reason, you 797 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,280 know, I'm paranoid and I'm on a trip and I wanna look to see, 798 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,120 oh, is someone in my living room, for example, Right. 799 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,800 Instead of, you know, asking Jeff Bezos is someone in my 800 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,160 living room. And I'm making a joke, of 801 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,320 course. You know you'd be going through 802 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,680 your own computer. Now when you mentioned that, 803 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,800 Matt, is that possible through Tor live streaming video or is 804 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,160 this something that would have to be done over clear Net? 805 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,720 Clear net, OK, yeah, it's Clear net or alternative networking 806 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:19,320 protocols, right. So Tor is Tor. 807 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,440 It's not just Tor and clear Net. There's ways to connect 808 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:28,120 computers in this world besides those two, and there will be a 809 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,520 third right in the future. With the, you know, 810 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,560 proliferation of home servers and home you know, routers that 811 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:41,920 are specifically designed for it, you can in time build out 812 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,240 grassroots and mesh networks that will connect to each other 813 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:50,120 over over distance via satellites and towers and 814 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,480 literally build the new Internet from the ground up without the 815 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,400 IS PS right. The IS PS are the final 816 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,360 gatekeepers. They're the final boss today. 817 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,160 They control all access to the Internet. 818 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:11,400 And it's OK right now because we have ways of leveraging the IS 819 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,640 PS and their infrastructure to conduct private and anonymous 820 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:22,040 communications. But if you assume that the 821 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,200 attacks will escalate, right, that this war will escalate in 822 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,720 nature, you could imagine a future where ISP S start to get 823 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:34,800 a little bit more aggressive about what kind of Internet 824 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,440 traffic they permit, what kind of home routers. 825 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,080 You're already seeing a trend with ISP S right now where they 826 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:48,200 don't require you to use their modem and router, but they 827 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,800 almost require you to, right? Like when when you set up a new 828 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,920 Internet connection at your home, they present their modem 829 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,360 Router Tandem product as like Oh yeah, here you go, Plug this in 830 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,680 like it's the default, you know, like just plug this in, Which is 831 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,360 incredibly dangerous, right? When you are using your IS PS 832 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,920 Modem Router Tandem product. They literally just have access 833 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,120 to your local area network. Like your your entire home is 834 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,160 exposed to them. So you really do need to use 835 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,000 aftermarket modems. And for fiber connections you 836 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,160 need to use an aftermarket router. 837 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,280 And we have very strong opinions on what kind of routers you 838 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,160 should be using, especially not only for security purposes, but 839 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,400 also for compatibility purposes with start OS. 840 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,840 Start OS is very much moving in the router direction. 841 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,080 Not that start OS will be a router operating system, but 842 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:51,640 that start OS will be aware of routers and be able to configure 843 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:56,200 them and change their settings in order to facilitate network 844 00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,160 communications without the user having to be an advanced user, 845 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,640 right as we have always done like that's. 846 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,920 Our goal is to do advanced things in the non advanced way 847 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,720 and the router is a centerpiece of that when it comes to 848 00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:14,240 networking. So anyway, I don't even know 849 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:16,640 what question you asked. I don't know, man, but I'm 850 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,480 enjoying the fuck out of this conversation. 851 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:24,080 Look, so, OK, so this is really, really exciting stuff. 852 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:29,320 The way that you broke down, we talked about IOTSI think that's 853 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,760 fascinating. It makes them actually alluring 854 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,080 to use, right? Because the way that you 855 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,400 described it, right, which is, you know, once we use Telegram. 856 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,400 You know, you don't really think about the fact that it's not 857 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:47,520 you, it's it's not really me to Matt, it's me, Telegram server 858 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,480 Matt, right. And anything that happens in 859 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,920 between, you have to take their word for it that it's end to end 860 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:53,800 encrypted. Really. 861 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,200 Even Even if it is though, let's say it is end to end encrypted, 862 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,800 OK, like let's give them all the benefits of the doubt. 863 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,360 It's still intermediated. The amount of metadata analysis 864 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,120 that can be done is would shock people. 865 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,240 OK, like, they might not be able to see the exact contents of the 866 00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:15,320 message, but they know who you're talking to when you're 867 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,440 talking to them, how often you talk. 868 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,240 They can compose social graphs based on that information. 869 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,240 They can see the length of the message that you sent, even if 870 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,800 they can't see its contents. And a lot of inference can be 871 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,880 done there. Combined with other data 872 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:34,000 collection of the phone, like location data, they can detect 873 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,440 if, you know, I sent a message and then I left my home and then 874 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,840 we both went to the same place. So now that message can be 875 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,480 inferred to be like, hey, meet me here, like there's just it's 876 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,160 awful, just you gotta exclude intermediaries you have we have 877 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,520 to eliminate third parties from the computing paradigm. 878 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,120 That is the goal. Sorry I interrupted you. 879 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,400 Go ahead. No, no, no. 880 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:58,000 This is this is fascinating. My mind is is being blown right 881 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,200 now. OK, so this world sounds very 882 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,320 exciting. It actually makes me wanna have 883 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,440 a sovereign Alexa. Are we are we are we gonna call 884 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,240 it a a a mat? What are we gonna call it? 885 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,800 What's gonna be the the equivalent of of an Alexa? 886 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,080 He's gonna he's gonna kill me. So my partner at start nine you 887 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:27,400 know one of the Co founders his name is Aiden and that just so 888 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,400 happens to on a on a on a walk. I went on a walk, and by the 889 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,840 time that walk was over, without any intention, I had realized 890 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,880 that Aiden could be an acronym for Artificial Intelligence for 891 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,760 Distributed Electronic Networks, and he hates it. 892 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,880 He does not want it to be named Aiden, but I have the trump card 893 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,120 at this company and we'll probably name it Aiden. 894 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:57,120 AIDAIDEN Artificial Intelligence for Distributed Electronic 895 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,840 Networks will probably be the virtual assistant of the Start 896 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,520 OS. OK, so you know how they have 897 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:08,120 different, different accent models for, you know, the AI. 898 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,400 If you need a Miami accent version, consider the name Nico. 899 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,400 It's a great name. OK, yeah, I mean, you should be 900 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,520 able to rename it anything that you want, right? 901 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,440 Like this is just the default name and you should be able to 902 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,400 give it any voice that you want, right? 903 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,640 Again with the AI voice stuff, it's crazy like your your AI 904 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,440 could be Morgan Freeman if you want it to be. 905 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,600 Oh man, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. 906 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:38,720 OK, so we are getting at the top of the hour and I do want to get 907 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:43,320 to this question by one of our viewers, Andrew Saman, said. 908 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,960 Matt, can you explain your vision for what Start 9? 909 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,560 OS will look like in five years, how do you see people 910 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,440 interfacing with their personal server across devices? 911 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:59,760 I mean, we covered a lot of this just now, but what is the next 912 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,120 five years in your eyes in regards to start nine and the 913 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,480 sovereign computing movement in general? 914 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,440 OK, yeah, so we started with the server. 915 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,720 OK, We started with the the the elephant in the room was that in 916 00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:16,160 order to have a sovereign computing paradigm, everyone 917 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,200 needs to be running a server. And maybe not everyone, but at 918 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,480 least every family, every organization, right? 919 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,520 Like every tiny group of trusted people need to have at least one 920 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,680 server. Ideally, every human on the 921 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,840 planet has a server, but that'll probably never happen. 922 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,200 There's going to be some degree of of shared resources and Uncle 923 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,800 Jim models, but we started with the idea that everyone needs a 924 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,680 server. And what was stopping everyone 925 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,480 from running a server was that there was no operating system to 926 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,880 administer a server. Nobody knew how to run a server. 927 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,320 There was no way to run a server unless you had sys admin skills 928 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,960 and command line skills. So that was the first problem 929 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,560 that we saw was, OK, we've got to get, we've got to make it 930 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,480 possible for people to run servers. 931 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,720 Step 2 is how do you access those servers, right. 932 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,520 So you're on the other side of the world. 933 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,560 How do you talk to your server? Well, we started with the 934 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,840 easiest and obvious one, which was Tor. 935 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,960 Tor is a way to communicate across any distance, privately, 936 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:22,160 anonymously, and happily without having to do any sort of router 937 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,760 configurations. Tor has Nat punching right, Nat 938 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,600 traversal, the ability to get through a local network firewall 939 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,720 built in, and it has that built in because the connections are 940 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:34,640 actually going out, not in. OK. 941 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,320 So Tor has two outbound TCP connections that are 942 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,160 rendezvousing. That's probably a little more 943 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,880 technical than we need right now, but this idea of 944 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,320 communicating with your server. So first we make it possible to 945 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,480 run a server. Then we make it possible and 946 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,560 easy to access that server from anywhere in the world. 947 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:57,960 Again, we did that with Tor in O4-O which is the huge update 948 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:03,760 that's coming soon is you will be able to have very very simple 949 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,000 VPN access from anywhere in the world. 950 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,880 You will also be able to access your server over clear net. 951 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,120 Now this is the the sort of home run for families and businesses 952 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,680 in many cases because it's the exact experience that they 953 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,840 currently have with computers. They just go to a browser and 954 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,560 they open a domain like their domain. 955 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,640 It would be like chat dot Matt hill dot dev and that would be 956 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,240 my self hosted chat server that my friends could join and we 957 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,680 could have conversations and there's no more Telegram, 958 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,080 there's no more signal, there's no more, you know, there's no 959 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,600 more WhatsApp, nothing And it's just like a normal website 960 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,760 chat.matthill.com. And you could even get native 961 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,440 apps for your iOS and Android device that connect to 962 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,480 chat.matthill.com and and we could all have private 963 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,720 conversations and that's what's coming very soon. 964 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,840 So we've largely solved the can you run a server? 965 00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,000 The answer is yes. Can you use that server 966 00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,600 effectively, seamlessly from anywhere in the world? 967 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,280 The answer is almost. It's pretty good right now, but 968 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,040 it's about to get a lot better. And along with that is the idea 969 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,920 of data redundancy, right. So one of the other lacking 970 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,240 aspects of Start OS right now is that in order to make a backup 971 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,280 of all your data, because when you self host, it's really 972 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,080 really really important to make backups because if you don't 973 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,760 then your shit is just gone forever. 974 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,440 Uh, in order to make a backup on start OS today, you actually 975 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,640 have to click a button. You have to go in there and you 976 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,640 have to click backup. And because of that people don't 977 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,680 do it. Like as crazy as that sounds, 978 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,080 it's just an extremely rare thing for people to backup their 979 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,320 server because they have to log in and click A and click a 980 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,920 button. So also coming with O4-O is the 981 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,600 ability to do automatic backups that will happen in the 982 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,560 background without you having to worry about it and they'll back 983 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,920 up to any remote location that you choose on any and any 984 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,200 frequency that you choose including. 985 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,080 And this is where it gets really interesting, is other start OS 986 00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,880 servers. So you will be able to in the 987 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,760 near future have a start OS server in your home and a start 988 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,120 OS server at your friend's house. 989 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,800 And you could put servers in a couple strategic locations and 990 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:16,320 they can actually work together to make sure that all the data 991 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:22,360 is is copied, backed up. And they could even step in to 992 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,840 pick up the to pick up the slack. 993 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,520 If another server is like offline because the Internet in 994 00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,000 that house went offline or something like that, the other 995 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,640 servers could pick up the slack so that you don't experience 996 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,320 downtime. Somebody in the chat right now, 997 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,680 just because it's very relevant, is asking about RAID. 998 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:44,400 So RAID is a way of of sort of automatically creating redundant 999 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,360 redundancy for data across multiple drives, but it's all in 1000 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:53,000 the same server, so you still have this locality risk of like 1001 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,800 if that house burns down, right? RAID is is designed for drive 1002 00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:02,440 failure, so if my SSD fails, then that data is also mirrored 1003 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,800 onto this other SSD or even two or three more SSDs. 1004 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:10,880 But it's all still there. What I'm talking about is actual 1005 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:16,160 encrypted backups being sent over geographic distances, which 1006 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,160 is different. Both are great, so you can 1007 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:24,320 already do hardware RAID on start OS. 1008 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,160 So if you have a hardware RAID set up, you can actually make 1009 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,360 that your data drive for start OS that's already supported. 1010 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,000 Software RAID is a little bit of a different concept and that 1011 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,200 will be supported as well probably next year. 1012 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:46,440 So RAID is coming, but also so is automatic encrypted backups 1013 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,960 to different servers. That's badass. 1014 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,720 So you like, just in case, you know, Opti's ex girlfriends. 1015 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,320 Christine Lagarde sends a hit team to my house to get rid of 1016 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:05,360 all of her and Opti's pictures. With this, you know she's not 1017 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:06,440 gonna be able to get rid of them. 1018 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,200 So, wow, this was like always, Matt. 1019 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,920 This is why I keep fighting you on the show. 1020 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:18,160 This absolutely blew my mind. Should we go through and use the 1021 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:22,600 last couple of minutes to talk about the three products that 1022 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,480 you guys offer? Which is the server Lite, the 1023 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,640 server one, and the one that I personally use. 1024 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,800 And I highly recommend the server peer, yeah. 1025 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:40,880 So there's there's some very, very new things on on that front 1026 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,440 that I'll share right now and make an announcement on your 1027 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,880 show why not. So we are going to be dropping 1028 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,800 the Server Lite as a as a product. 1029 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,920 The Server Light is the Raspberry Pi. 1030 01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,960 The Raspberry Pi is just gradually being obsoleted. 1031 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,760 At this point. It's being rapidly obsoleted. 1032 01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,040 Yes, you can still use a Raspberry Pi for certain things 1033 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,000 like file storage or messaging, but we highly, highly recommend 1034 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,280 against it for anything Bitcoin related at this point. 1035 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,880 It just cannot keep up. You're going to have a bad time. 1036 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:17,520 And because you know, people want to use it for Bitcoin, it's 1037 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,560 like they're trying. Even though we're saying not to, 1038 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:20,920 they're still buying it and trying. 1039 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,640 And so we're like, all right, we're just going to stop selling 1040 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,400 it because people are getting themselves in trouble and then 1041 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,360 they're getting angry at us being like, why doesn't this 1042 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,000 work for Bitcoin? We're like, we told you it 1043 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,240 wouldn't work for Bitcoin, but you bought it anyway thinking it 1044 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:32,680 would. You didn't read the description. 1045 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,160 So we're just going to stop selling it. 1046 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:38,240 So we're done with the light. We will liquidate our our 1047 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,200 Raspberry Pi's on Amazon or eBay or whatever. 1048 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,120 So we're we're done, We're not going to sell any more of those 1049 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,320 probably starting immediately maybe tonight or tomorrow. 1050 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,040 Secondly the the one is our sort of like mid tier device, 1051 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,520 perfectly adequate for any individual or small family. 1052 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,800 It's going to run Bitcoin, it's going to run Lightning, It's got 1053 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,200 1-2 or four terabytes of storage, 16 gigs of RAM, it's a 1054 01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,120 perfectly fine computer, solid device for a lot of people. 1055 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,120 The Pure is what you mentioned earlier, which is our top end 1056 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:11,200 device has a very strong CPU. It's not as strong as it was two 1057 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,120 years ago when we first specced the device out. 1058 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,520 There's chips are, you know, changing constantly and 1059 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,840 advancing constantly, but it's got a pretty good CPU. 1060 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,720 It's got 32 gigs of RAM, which is pretty good. 1061 01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,880 It's, you know, AI stuff is going to need even more at some 1062 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,080 point. But for Bitcoin and Lightning, 1063 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,320 32 gigs of RAM is just going to crush for you. 1064 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,600 I think current syncing times are anywhere like 16 hours to 1065 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,400 sync the full archival node from Genesis, which is pretty badass 1066 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,360 on a pier. And the biggest selling point of 1067 01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,200 the pier is that it has an open firmware stack, and this is 1068 01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,520 super rare and very difficult to achieve. 1069 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:50,320 The Server pier runs Core Boot, which means that all proprietary 1070 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,560 firmware, closed source firmware has been removed from the device 1071 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,960 and that the hardware on the device is capable of running 1072 01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,160 open source firmware that has been vetted by communities and 1073 01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,160 is open and therefore provably safe. 1074 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,040 And then secondly in the pure Intel's Management Engine, which 1075 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:13,080 is Intel's like known backdoor into their chips is disabled in 1076 01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:17,080 firmware. So there is at least no known 1077 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,280 back door in the server pier. Where is pretty much every other 1078 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,920 computer on the planet, including our server one, has a 1079 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,360 known back door in it. It doesn't mean that that back 1080 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,560 door is being used to spy on you all the time. 1081 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,680 It just means that, like, we don't know what's going on under 1082 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,120 there. There's closed source code that 1083 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,000 could be doing all sorts of shit that we don't like. 1084 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,800 So the server pier is not only big and powerful, it's also 1085 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,200 very, very safe for privacy and security. 1086 01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,240 Which is what a lot of our customers care about. 1087 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,600 The last thing I'll say is we're about to launch a new product 1088 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,840 line to replace the light. We're very excited about this. 1089 01:04:54,080 --> 01:05:00,520 We have cut deals with local E recycler companies, OK, 1090 01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,400 companies that take electronic scrap in. 1091 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,560 And a lot of the times these companies get called into like a 1092 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,880 bank. And the bank is like, all right, 1093 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,480 we're upgrading all of our servers. 1094 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,520 And they do this like every two years, right? 1095 01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,880 And like, we're upgrading all of our servers and we don't care 1096 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,040 about the old ones because we throw money away like crazy and 1097 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:19,880 we don't give a shit. So they just hand it to a 1098 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,240 recycler. And then these recyclers are 1099 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,640 like, well, OK, well, what do we do with these? 1100 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,880 Sometimes they take them apart and they take the chips out and 1101 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,800 they do whatever. Well, we've got some deals with 1102 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,680 them where we're like if you come across across a batch of 1103 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:35,280 servers that have basically been given to you, you tell us we'll 1104 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,360 buy them from you at a very cheap price and then pass that 1105 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,920 price and savings along to our own customers. 1106 01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,680 So these are not new devices. They are repurposed reused 1107 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,080 devices. So we're probably going to call 1108 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:54,960 it the server restart or something like that and sell 1109 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,600 those and they're going to be extremely affordable, like 1110 01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:02,600 cheaper than significantly cheaper than the one, but 1111 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,320 probably more powerful. Than the one the trade off is 1112 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,840 that they are used, but we we're going to run a, you know a 1113 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,280 battery of tests against them to make sure that they're working 1114 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,680 and we'll warranty him just like we do everything else. 1115 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,960 But it's a used device, but you get a ton of power for a very 1116 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,680 cheap ticket. That's awesome. 1117 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,160 That's very, very cool. Matt. 1118 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,360 Can I tell him about the deal? Yeah, please. 1119 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:30,840 OK guys, there's a deal on the on the server pure. 1120 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:36,560 It went from just the pure. It went from 1429 and now it's 1121 01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:41,320 down to 1279. And now through Thanksgiving you 1122 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,960 could use promo code Simply Bitcoin Plus and it'll give you 1123 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,160 an additional 18% off. And now that puts the server 1124 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:54,440 pier at 1049 dollars. I highly, highly recommend it. 1125 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,000 It is. I've been using it. 1126 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,400 I mean. Matt sold me at the conference 1127 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,320 floor Bitcoin 2022 and I was like the the meme, the Futurama 1128 01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,240 meme. Or was it a South Park? 1129 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,080 I was like, just take my money and I put a down payment on it 1130 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,600 and I haven't looked back. I've had a great, great 1131 01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,160 experience using it. That's what I personally would 1132 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,440 recommend. Matt, we appreciate you, Nico. 1133 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,560 Always a pleasure having you on the show. 1134 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:26,520 I literally have a box of Start Nine shirts at my house. 1135 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:32,440 I think from the Thank God for Bitcoin conference, maybe with 1136 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,960 your permission maybe we start sending those out to some. 1137 01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,040 I got a bunch back there. Oh, there we go. 1138 01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:42,400 I think I have more than you. Well, it's it's a very big box. 1139 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,840 How do you manage that? It was just left there. 1140 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,720 It was just left there. And they're like, Nico, do you 1141 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,680 like, you know, Matt, why don't you take it? 1142 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,960 I'm like, OK, I'll take it. And it's just been sitting in 1143 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,280 the corner. Give now, man do giveaways. 1144 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,720 OK. OK, so we're gonna we're gonna 1145 01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,040 be doing some Start 9 giveaway with with Matt's permission, 1146 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,360 Matt. Always an honor. 1147 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,200 And you always blow my mind when you come on the show. 1148 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:11,000 Opti's been losing his mind as well in the chat. 1149 01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,000 Opti. Cyborg. 1150 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,000 I think I I read there. Oh, man. 1151 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,760 Sovereign Cyborg. Opti. 1152 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:16,760 All right. It's different. 1153 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,000 It's coming. It's coming anyways. 1154 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,240 Matt, thank you so much for joining us. 1155 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,240 I really really appreciate it. See you. 1156 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,840 All right guys, I'm going to wrap up the show TuneIn 1157 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,680 tomorrow, 12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, for another 1158 01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,359 episode of Simply Bitcoin Live. I'm going to be travelling to 1159 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:36,880 Los Angeles, so Opti is going to be holding it down until then. 1160 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:37,840 I'll see you later guys.