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Hey, Peter are you doing? What up, dude?
How you doing? Good, bro.
So how you been I saw that that your Club they won.
How crazy was that? Well, first of all, I've been
sick as Dog man. I've been so rough.
I think it might have been just like everything that happened
last week a lot of partying lot of celebrating but I've been
sick but yeah, it's unbelievable.
It's unreal man. He's it's hard to put into words
because it was it like a year and a half ago, I bought them,
they came. I was like yeah we're going to
get in the Premier League and then you're like, okay we
actually need to go and win win the league and we did it.
We fucking did it. How many Li how many Legs.
Like so the Premier League is one what like, what league is
Bedford and right now we're ten. Okay, we're ten and so it's nine
promotions. Uh-huh.
I mean, get into the Premier League is ridiculous but get
into the football league. That's a realistic Target.
That's six promotions, get into the professional leagues, but
you got to get promotions to do it dude.
And, you know, every one of them is hard and we just did the
first one, unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
I'm so happy. Well, that's crazy.
The dude and I mean like it's good for Bitcoin I guess because
it gives the exposure. So yeah man we got a we had a
bunch of Bitcoins descend into Bedford last week, we had James
lavish, Jeff Booth, Lawrence lapad, we had been Arc, we had
Bradley Rattler and like people flew from all around the world,
motherfucking Bedford of all places to go.
They came to Bedford and we had a record Record crowd.
We lifted the trophy. And yeah, it's it's a very, you
know, it's my way of foot. I'm like football pinning,
people and orange putting them through football uniform.
Beautiful. Yeah, definitely on the mission.
Anyways dude. So you've been in content
creation for this dude. Dude, Edgar's in the chat,
right? Edgar is this motherfucker comes
over from Minneapolis, right? Like he comes over on the
Monday, he sees us win. League with the draw against am
too. He goes out drinking till I do,
like 4:00 in the morning with the girls from our girls team,
and then he just drinks every night and that he's there again
on Saturdays. There Friday, you parties all
week, he goes up into the Gantry and he commentates a bit with
the commentator. I think he had the he said and
he was like, yeah, it was either going to this or the conference
in Miami as like what you would do this instead of Miami.
I mean, I think it's definitely a big.
Deal, bro. It's definitely big deal gives
you know football is one of the most popular sports in the world
right? So if you do end up getting into
the Premier League and it's a in a giant Bitcoin logo on the
front, I don't know man. Feel good about it.
That's fucking good. Let's fucking go.
Anyways. All right man, so you've been in
Bitcoin content creation from the very beginning, you know,
from what was it? 20 years 2017, right?
Yeah, 2017. November 2017 episode 1 with the
Luke Martin. Did you ever think that it was
going to blow up the way it did? No.
But it's really hard to see it. How other people see it anyway
but it could you elaborate what you mean by that?
So you know how, you know how like every day you look in the
mirror, you look the same. But if you see yourself five
years ago, you look really different.
So you never really see what other people see.
So when you say blow up, I'm like I don't even know what you
mean. Like, I know people like the
show and there's a lot of people listen to it but I don't see
anything other than just me turn up and doing interviews with
other people. I mean, the numbers Peter and
numbers Peter, I mean mu definitely not aware of.
Let me know, you're definitely not.
Not aware of them. No, I know the numbers but like
I mean what do you say? I feel very lucky man.
You know what? Dude, I feel very lucky.
It's you do it. You know, it's like the coolest
job in the world. You get to cut.
Go and hang out with really cool.
Smart people talk about Bitcoin the economy.
Get to talk about cool shit. No, it's too dude.
For sure. I mean it's totally amazing.
It is the best job in the world. Super, super privileged.
I can't believe we get paid to do this.
Just literally blows my mind every single day but But you
know, I also think about the grind, right?
And you know, the first like this is going to be your three
for me you've been doing this for quite a bit longer, but the
first year, man, first year to was just like so many doubts in
your head. You're like, why am I doing
this? You know, and then it's just
kind of like powering through and then the exponential start
to hit and then you're just like holy cow, this is nuts.
So do that grinds Rough man. People don't know what it's
like. I remember when I used to I used
to fly out to New York and I do for interviews and then, when
I'm done with an interview, I'd got to my hotel room and then
I'll edit it and then I'll prep for the interview the next day
and then I would fly to, I don't know, fucking Ohio, and then
I'll go and do two interviews, and then I'd add it, and then
I'd fly to Portland and then I'd find it and I would do, like,
six seven stops in. I don't know, two and a half
weeks and They come home and then every six weeks I do the
same again and that first year and a half of that all you know
all the words covid. It was hard.
It was long. And then then Danny came on
board and then it changed. Yeah, it was a grind and I was
losing money. Losing a lot of my lost.
I lost 100 Grand on the podcast. In the first two years, I was a
hundred grand down. I mean, but I mean, you invest
in yourself. I completely agree.
I literally, when you talk about the grind and then flying and
the traveling, And setting up and like going to the different
locations like opt he's in backstage right now.
We know exactly what you're talking about man.
It's like the most brutal thing and then there's something about
content creation. That I don't think a lot of
people are aware of but once you do one of these interviews it
really takes your like it takes a part of your soul.
I like it just drips it out and you know you kind of lose like a
part of your energy that day. Like it is really really
exhausting. We do it.
We do them in Sprint so We'll go somewhere for like 10 to 15 days
one week. I don't know, 20 shows and
there's like most days. We're making two sometimes
three. But we're even in a to show day,
sometimes, I'm like Danny, you got to spread them apart.
I need like a three hour gap and then, when we're done, I need to
go lay down for an hour and just get your energy back because
because that two hours you haven't, it's basically gonna
spend two hours trying to keep a conversation.
Going listen to what they're saying while trying to have a
good response but knowing Like if the conversation goes dead,
there, you got to take it somewhere else because there's a
lot of concentration for 42 hours.
It's I've, I prefer to be the interior like, I hate this show.
I hate being interviewed. I prefer to be the interviewer,
but it's a lot easier to be interview because you stopped
answering when you want to, like I'm done.
You have to you over to you, man.
Definitely, it's tiring. It's interesting that you say
that, because I prefer to be interviewed because it's
autopilot, you know, like the interviewers what you said
you're responsible for The entertainment value of the show
where you have to get people engaged, you know, and then
there's some guests that are just they do the job for you.
And then there's some guests where you have to put in a lot
of work, right to make that particular conversation engaging
when they given you like. So, the way I explained is if
you're interviewing someone for an hour and they give you 30
second answers, you need mmm. A lot of questions.
What's that 40? Quite well?
A 60. How many is that?
60 minutes that's like 100, you need 100?
So, Right. Whereas some people you can give
a question they talked for ten minutes.
Yeah my last time I interviewed Michael sailor.
He spoke for 45 minutes off the first question 45 minutes.
It's amazing shit, it's amazing, it's amazing.
No yeah obviously it wasn't sailor but who was it recently?
It was lavish and Foss and I think I spoke five minutes and
it was an hour long conversation and you're just like okay this
is great. Wait, you guys did my job and
then you see it in the comments like you did great hosting
Niko's like sure? Okay, I'll take, I'll take it.
I'll tell you. What's all them.
And anyways, so one of the things that I want to talk to
you about Peter was, you know, as we've been getting bigger to
our surprise, the amount of hate bro that we've been getting is
just I guess I didn't. I guess we didn't see it before
and then I'm kind of Like it's stuck in this position where
it's kind of like what did I do to you.
Why do you hate me so much? And that's something that we've
been enduring, probably like this is like a probably, you
know, some simply really start taking off like six seven months
ago, you get, hey, yes. We're starting to get hate bro.
And it's and it's just, and it's just crazy.
And it's like, why do you hate me so much?
What did I do to you? Why do you why do you think that
I'm a fake Bitcoin? Or?
Why do you think that I'm this? Why do you think that I'm that?
And to me it freaking fascinates me because I'm just like, okay,
wait a second. So it's not Red vs.
Blue. It's not like, you know, left
first, right. A lot of people get stuck in
that, like, dichotomy of that, some of that it's green versus
orange, right? It's literally the central
Bankers verse bitcoiners. Like, that's literally how I see
it at this point. And I see the in fighting man.
And I don't think, I just don't know how how to approach the
show. In a better way for not to get
hate. So I guess the question to you,
is that part of the process? Is that normal?
What have you experienced particularly, man?
I've had so much. It used to bother me.
I've got a lot of thoughts of this.
Firstly, congratulations. Because if you get in hate, it
means you've been successful. So congratulations.
You made it fucking great. Great work.
Nico if you if you, if you don't want any hate, then be
unsuccessful and then we know went like, so there's that.
Secondly, basically when there's hate its you versus a loser.
Usually, it's some fucking degenerate loser, who hates his
life and he sees you out there doing some cool shit and it's
like you're holding up a mirror. You basically look how much of a
fucking loser, you are. And that's why they're losing
their shit at you. You know, they've got bad
parents or they raised badly or they don't understand how to be
civil. They don't understand like
people see the world differently from them.
Fucking losers. So that's that's another part.
And then I would say learned like I took me awhile for this,
learn to not give a fuck. You should see my YouTube.
Like all day, every day is like you're a stage curved.
You're a fat motherfucker, you're fucking idiot.
I hate you. I hate your face.
I hope you get cancer like, honestly English, right?
Yeah, but it's funny man. It's funny.
You know, you get that was his that fucking idiot Dieter Bob.
He was the one, like there was a turning point for me.
I remember he came out he said, Said, I hope you get cancer and
die like your mother. That's what he said, because my
mother died of cancer. And I was like, he trying to get
me fired, bro. He tried to get one of our
sponsors. Drop us, you know, you'd like
he's a former alcoholic ignore him.
Listen, when that happened. I realized like, you know, I
actually just felt sorry for him.
Yeah, you can't hurt me with that.
You can do you know how you hurt me.
Is we go, you know what, Pete? I listened to show all the time
and this interview did I really didn't like as a shit?
Because that person matters. But that person who like listens
to your show all the time and they're upset by the things you
didn't do a job that they matter because they're one of your
customers or the others don't know.
It's like all the people right now.
Given David Bailey, shit about Bitcoin magazine, right?
All the shit he's getting, they are these customers, they are
going to the conference, they would never go into the
conference and so all or they're the kind of people who their
entire brand is built off. Hating everyone for not being
perfect. They're basically the commie bit
quite a view if you come across the commie bitcoiners dude.
I I mean, this is a conversation that I've had with Abdi at
length, which is this idea of what I feel, like the
demonization of trying to have ambition and trying to succeed
and trying to build. Because at the end of the day,
what what is this? You're trying to build a
business, right? And somehow that's demonized,
right? And then, what is the other
Avenue? Like, what is the other?
The other way of approaching this?
The other way of approaching this is you do that.
You do? For free, but it's if you do it
for free, the incentives are not aligned and that's not a
sustainable model feedback, good make money.
Listen, Jeff Booth would say, are they making Bitcoin
stronger? So Gemini, great sponsor of
mine, love them. I really good to me.
I understand some people don't like them because they store
shit coins. We never promote their shit
coins, we just promote their Bitcoins.
I use our exchange exchange is very good for buying Bitcoin,
right? Some people don't like what
happens then with Genesis, perhaps they made a mistake, do
you have to talk to them about that?
But I worked with them because they're a great place to buy
Bitcoin. Oh, I like it, are they making
Bitcoin stronger or weaker? They're definitely not making it
weaker. Yeah, definitely.
Not making it weaker. So like, don't fucking worry
about these people. If you're working hard, meet
bank, I mean, so and and again, like so the way that I see it,
Peter Wright is that's a business decision, right?
That's a business decision for your particular podcast, right?
Obviously, you know, it Everyone's entitled to make
their own different business decisions for how Approach it,
right? And I think at the end of the,
at the end of the day, the free market is really going to decide
what the free market decides, right.
So, you know personally, right, you know, we stick to, you know,
I personally work at Swan and we stick to know Bitcoin only
exchange and Swan but cone only stops well sponsors.
But again, that's just our business model.
That's how that's how we approach it through them.
Who am I to judge what you are doing, right?
And that's kind of like the angle, which is a more
libertarian. Well which I think a lot of
bitcoiners are supposed, is that the whole point, right?
It's like to Live and Let Live so Nico, stay away from the call
me bitcoiners they are they are there hilariously is.
It's like it's so ironic is funny.
They basically, they don't like anyone who makes any money.
They basically want everyone to have the same amount of money
each. They don't, like, people have
certain opinions. They want to hold them back for
having certain opinions. They want to control people.
It's like that. Have you seen the We do meme
where it's like the libertarian and then when you pull off, the
hat is a right-wing authoritarian.
That's basically what they are. They're basically right-wing
commies. I just don't think the I just
don't. And again of course, I'm
generalizing here in are trying to specific to anybody but like
I just don't think they're fully aware of what they're advocating
for the system that they're advocating for, right?
Like I'm a full-fledged capitalist, I'm Unapologetic,
right? And I wear it on my chest.
Just right, like in and I think that's fine, right?
You're providing value, right? You spending hours and hours and
hours and hours, grinding and trying to perfect your craft
Peter. I know what you, I know, you
know what I'm talking about because you have some of the
best production in the business. Right?
And that's incredibly expensive and it's incredibly difficult to
do. So like the way that I'm looking
at it is like. So like if you put in all this
work you've definitely influence people you've definitely help
people Peter I know that you get it.
The messages, I get messages all the time.
There's like Nico. Thank you.
You've helped me on my orange pill journey and distance and
that. So you definitely, I feel like
I'm providing at least some type of value.
Isn't it fair to be compensated for that?
Like why is it, why is it wrong to be compensated for the amount
of work and energy that you're putting into your craft?
And like, that's the part that I don't understand, right?
It's like, why is that villainized?
You know, and then it's like, okay then you can make the
argument fine. It's because of The particular
sponsors or it's because of this and because of that that's a
business decision, that's an individual's business decision.
If you don't like what they do, go shop someplace else, and
that's kind of like the way that I view it but yeah, she knows,
you know what's worse than getting loads of hate?
What nobody knowing you exist. I'm telling you if that's right
when anyone doesn't podcast, they say to me, I'm starting to
get. Hey, I'm like I said to him.
Congratulations man, you make it as made it same with my football
team, right? As soon as we started being
successful, we got hate there, are people out there who just
are so bitter. Other people are successful.
They're so good. So envious, they hate the fact
and they just have to throw hay out there.
Just screwed up, they need to go to therapy.
They need to go back and blame their parents for raising them
badly. They need to blame God for the
bad roll of the dice. They got whatever it is.
It's made him so miserable at live but these people are
fucking losers and you know many people give me shit, you know.
I'll go to the any conference. You know how many people
actually give me shit in real life it's happened like twice
once in Germany and once in Austin and that's like the and
you know I respect those people because at least in the bollocks
to do it in person, Nobody Does it in person.
They do it all online. They're pussies, just don't
worry about it. Just go make money, ignore them.
Yeah yeah no and it's and I completely agree.
It's always it's always underhanded stuff.
Anyways, I really enjoyed that. Okay.
So Peter you obviously you dedicate your life to making
Bitcoin media, things have changed tremendously, the
production value has changed. Everyone's kind of approaching
it differently, you know, it's fascinating to watch right, you
know. Breedlove's getting a certain
way burnell's hitting in a certain way.
Swans. Hitting it a certain way you
know, simply hitting it a certain way Bitcoin magazines a
certain way. So, it's obviously developing
none of this existed, 2017, 2018, right?
So that's not exactly true. Man.
What's flourish in existed and whatever people think about her?
So I don't even know. I don't even know who she is.
I don't know. Like, who is unchanged?
Have the podcast Unchained. Okay.
And so she was She was like the biggest podcast or when I
started she's crypto and Bitcoin and she's learnt more into the
Crypt over the years. But she covered a lot of Bitcoin
stuff when I first got into and I've reached out to her and she
helped me a lot. She gave me a lot of advice.
She was brilliant, but she had a show and then prior to her,
obviously we have Bitcoin uncensored.
But that was like that. Predated me.
But we are so many podcasts now, there's so many good ones.
I mean yeah. Are you real or some names that
I think, I think Natalie. The best.
We've got, I think she's the most natural speaker and
Bitcoin. I absolutely love and adore her
breedlove's, doing his thing, man.
If you want to get deep going with Breedlove, I think.
Marty and Matt Odell do and exits.
So many people doing it. And you know why?
This so-called look how many people have made a job out of
having conversations about Bitcoin, how fucking cool is
that dude, it's absolutely. It's absolutely Bonkers, man.
But yeah, I guess, you know, maybe I framed it in correctly,
I think. Ink.
I think the crypto crypto / Bitcoin media existed but I
think what we're really seeing is the rise of Bitcoin only
media and not only the rise of that it being sustainable in
itself, right? Which I think is freaking
awesome right Bitcoin only channels Bitcoin only content
and I think that's really really, really cool.
Where does it go from here? You know because at the end of
the day like you know that your podcasting numbers are huge but
Video wise, I think the only reason because the only reason
this is the biggest Bitcoin YouTube channel right now is
because he rebranded, he went from Trading Trader University
to bitcoin University and now he kind of took the top seat but
you know none of the Bitcoin only content creators are
breaking 250k. So that tells me that Bitcoin
media is really in its infancy. At least in the video format.
Yeah. So we I mean we do video but I
don't care for it too much really.
Why is that? Because it's also nice
especially since it takes you a lot dude to do what you do.
Yeah. But we're always going to do the
interviews in person, right? So what because that's my thing,
right? I prefer an interview person.
I think it's a better interview for me.
I just enjoy it more. And so while we were there, we
might as well set up some cameras and dirt, but the, the
YouTube audience is quite transient and not so loyal.
So if you go I don't know if you look at that.
How about you? Look at the numbers, but Find
the audio podcast, listeners are more loyal.
They want to, they probably listen to on average more shows
and they listen to more of a show.
And so on the business side, it's just easier to monetize
that audience. I also don't play the YouTube
game, you know, I don't I don't have my banner saying because
going to 250,000, ah, like I don't do that.
Shit is his a graphic of the person.
The name of the show is what it is and so I don't play the
YouTube game and the I think a lot of people do pump, does it a
little bit in his own way? He's still my buddy, but he
doesn't a little bit, but I just I don't play that you to game
but in in the ball Mark is it will grow.
But I think the next step is elevating them Beyond being
Bitcoin only show. Like I wish I hadn't called it
what Bitcoin did. I wish I'd done my staff on a
very just called it. The people call Mac Show because
it'd be easier to do non Bitcoin content but that's the next step
is where. Bye I mean, so we I mean I don't
even think my by the way - a big Ledger, I think it's a macro
show with a Bitcoin lens and the reason I think that is I can get
some macros. Hold on, let's dive into that
topic real quick. All right about, it's not even a
big coin show. Okay, so this is this, this is
the evolution, right? So it's like Bitcoin Tech,
whatever and then all of a sudden it becomes macro
geopolitics. Yeah.
That's literally what we've become as well.
It's like it's like, it's You know, it's the the banner it's
the thing, it's bhikkhu you Bitcoin in the title but it's
like you're looking at the world through the lens of Bitcoin and
you're covering very, very heavy subjects that are not
necessarily all about Bitcoin but they're kind of our.
So I've got this slide in my in my deck where I take you through
the sponsor and I just said like this is where I see the
evolution of Bitcoin first. It was about the tech is just
like this is called Tech and it was the Geeks and the Nerds and
then it was true. Edible.
So then it became about price and commerce and what you could
do it, then it became about is integration with macro.
And now it's becoming more about is integration with governance
and then the last step is cultural the interracial culture
and these things bleed over with each other, but you'll see it
when you make your shows you know what guess you're getting
you know what numbers you're doing?
I think if I have James lavish Greg Force, Lynn Alden, Luke
womenn, Doom Berg, all these People Jeff Schneider, all these
people them coming on the show, The Numbers blow up and duel in
Olden. Show is going to do 120 130
thousand downloads right and get Adam back on and it's 60,000.
And that's no disrespect to Adam bad, but the dude was cited in
the white paper. It's yeah, if you have a choice
about hearing about macro or have a choice about hearing
about some deep Bitcoin subject people want macro I think the
reason they want it as it relates to their life they
already get Bitcoin they understand Bitcoin what why they
need a wise burn them. But they want to know this kind
of like deeper relationship that because Bitcoin has with the
rest of the world like culturally politically and
economically. And so I think that's where
we're going. And the next big Bitcoin podcast
that it won't be a bit coin show.
It went a bit coin in the name. They will just be a Bitcoin.
Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
I mean damn. So I guess we're screwed in
France adapt or die. Nico.
That's the thing. You gotta adapt or die.
Die. Oh man.
But no. So yeah I've had some sleepless
nights on it as well, right? Which is you know, you start off
because of course it's Bitcoin and then you start to think
about it and you're like you know if we're right about this
and that yeah I think I think we are, right.
Then, you know, everyone's in be already, orange pills.
Everyone's already going to be talking about Bitcoin and then
it kind of evolved Xin to the. I hate using the word politics
but like a politics I think governance.
Yeah, politics / macro /, etc, etc and I completely agree.
The macro heavyweights are Lawrence James boss, you get
them on a video. You get them on on a show and
And that shows going to do numbers and you put them
together. It's multiply that by 10, right?
There's up. So yeah, just like we did this
live event here in Bedford the other day and we had Jeff Booth
Lawrence been Arc and lavish here in Bedford right announce
the about a month before I happened hundred fifty people
made their way to Little Old Bedford and came to this event,
and we're like, this was cool. If we planned a lot in advance,
we can make it bigger. So we're going to do a whole
full. Since next year in Bedford live,
600 people. And when I look at who I'm
getting in, its Yet, I want gladstein here, I want Jack,
malice, I want Leonard and I want pressed a shy.
One troy cross, I want Matthew Pines, you know, whether I agree
with him or not, I want Jason Lowry, it's Bitcoin as elevated
Beyond those conversations that were happening like 23 years
ago. Yeah, someone like Lynyrd
undertaken Bitcoin somewhere, where you thought safety in
would have taken it but he didn't safety.
Never took it there. He kept it.
It he kind of came out with his book, such an important book for
Bitcoin, such an important book for people coming into Bitcoin
but he never took any further, he stayed there, he said that
level and you got these Lynn orders who are taking these
ideas even further. Yeah, Lynn's ability to read
every situation is unbelievable and add that Bitcoin lens to it
and Larry is the same Jeff Booth, Jeff actually think Jeff
Booth, Jeff Booth I think has made the most important.
About Bitcoin. But it takes a long time to
realize why he made the most important talk about Bitcoin.
He more than anyone has made me understand why Bitcoin matters
and and so these are the people. These are the people are taking
back on to that next level. And by the way, after them,
there will be people who come after them, who people take it
to the cultural layer, which is everyone, which could be a
Steve-O or a Joe Rogan. Whoever like, if Joe Rogan got
it, like, actually got it, we're all fucking screwed.
Yeah. I mean, did you did you see Tim?
Did you see of course, you saw Tim?
Did you see that same cast clip? That was fighting around
Twitter. Don't worry, come out.
Okay, so there's a Tim clot. There is a Tim cast clip that
basically went viral of him. Admitting the fact that
basically he is, 90% orange build is one of the most popular
live shows on YouTube and he's basically admitting it.
Look at what's happening in El Salvador, I should have listened
to Max Keiser. Why?
Didn't I buy Bitcoins specifically?
Oh yeah. That came out like a month ago,
right? Yeah.
No. No, it happened again.
Yeah. Right.
He just had Alex Jones on. I think it was like last week or
two and my girlfriend watches, the Tim cast podcast and then
she sends me the clip, she's like, Nico, take a look at this.
I mean. How long is it?
Optical? We played.
I think it's like a minute, right?
If it's too long, I don't want to play it anyways.
But yeah. So you're saying we're screwed,
if they if they become If they these people take it.
We're screwed. Listen to us.
We fucked prove. You're going to get in.
Oh man. Okay, so actually have the clip
if you want to take a look. Yeah, let's have a look.
All right. Simple and you know, a lot of
people are wondering what to do and it's like have a family, get
out of the cities and make money.
Get the chickens, yeah man, be more self-sufficient, allocate
your money properly II. Can I can hear Max Keiser
screaming, buy Bitcoin, move by Salvador, I don't know about
moving House On The Backs. Wants me personally though I
think crypto is another venue. If everybody listen to this
show, 12 years ago, bought Bitcoin, the culture War would
be over because you would have millions of Bitcoin
millionaires, controlling industry, and snapping their
fingers and just doing whatever they want.
I think a lot of it is is an example of how little faith
people have in the u.s. dollar. All right.
That's why cryptos doing this elephant there.
He still doesn't get it if you'd be, so that's bullshit.
He has an interest but he's interested.
Really in it or is it is it like?
Oh I regret it. I should have bought it.
Does he really get it? I don't know.
I don't think so. I don't think you could.
I don't think you could fully grasp a coin in.
Typical you go through a cycle. Like you pay your do get your
blood huddle. Yeah, you yourself not on a
business level. I think it's impossible to run a
business right now on bitcoin. I think it's just, it's just too
crazy. Yeah.
I think for a saving for personal savings, of course,
right? You yourself are in a Bitcoin
standard. I don't think you can get it
until you do that. Like I think you could read as
much as you want, but until you cross that final Bridge or open
that final door, I think it's in pot.
You could totally get it conceptually but you don't
truly, truly get it in your heart, you need a whole cycle.
You need a whole cycle because you need to go through that,
that 10 x 5x in net wealth to go.
Okay, I can now afford to fuck up.
I can now afford to fuck up. I can now I can now go a little
bit more loose. Yeah, you need that full cycle.
Tim doesn't get it. Tim is also firmly embedded
within the culture war, and there's monetizing, the cultural
war is absolutely monetized. It form a liberal now right-wing
conspiracy theorist, actual conspiracy theorists, he pushed
a lot of that bullshit from the 2020 election, but whatever it's
called, but he's yeah. Yeah he's part of the culture
War. I mean so the way that I look at
it here's here's my frame right which is like there are a lot of
people are in fighting between the left and the right like it's
very predominant in the United States right now and the way
that we look at it is look it's not Red vs.
Blue, it's green verse of orange like a lot of people are wasting
time, you know because what they're look, this is what
happens right? The left does something the
right reacts calls the left, crazy etc, etc.
Etc. But what is the actual solution?
Both sides proposed its voting but voting doesn't fix like the
core fundamental issue as to why people are in doing these
economic hardships, which I believe are the reasons as to
why we are, people are pissed off in the first place, which is
the money stealing from everybody, right?
We get we get poorer, whoever gets voted in, correct.
It doesn't matter who gets vote. It doesn't matter whether it's
by Donald Trump, who wins the next election, you're gonna get
poor. They're going to promote fucking
money. Yeah, to we're going to get
poorer. The election cycle is
mismatched, it's completely misaligned to the economic
Cycles doesn't work. It just doesn't fucking work.
And so yeah, listen, I'm like everyone on a journey with this.
And a journey of learning I've been very vocal about the fact.
I'm a fan of democracy. So with all his failings, I like
the fact I can stand outside parliament in this UK and call
the girl, the Prime Minister, I can't.
And I won't get tortured or poisoned, I like that, I like
that there's relative and I say relative with a big kind of
Warning free press as in. I'm not going to get shot in the
head in the UK for writing, a critical article against the
Prime Minister, but at the same time, I'm not voting anymore.
I don't vote for these motherfuckers.
I've seen, yeah, I was listening to the radio today.
This was driven, they're talking about inflation on the radio
today. And so they had some lady on the
phone. She's saying, she's 6 years old
and her husband, 60 years, Old and they're so broke now.
All they eat is jacket potatoes. Everything they don't see.
She said we don't have breakfast when I've laundry of a jacket
potato and beans in the evening and twice a week.
We have a bit of cheese because that's what we can afford.
She said at first, we were choosing between eating our home
and feet and heating a home and eating.
Now we only eat and it's once a day and and she's telling the
story and then she just breaks because she sounds quite like
funny at first when she's telling when she gets into the
detail. She starts crying.
She's done next, lady comes. Off.
It's a lady who's a nurse. Can't work extra shifts.
She's broke her mum's lending him money.
She's now not work. She's feeling sick.
All these motherfuckers have lost their money.
They've been crushed by the way that these parties of
irresponsibly borrowed and borrowed money and built up so
much debt. I mean our country, our country
in the UK then Todd told me there's our country spends 120
billion a year servicing debt interest this 171 billion on
education so We spend more money service in their overspending
then we do on educating our children any surprise.
We're fucked. So no fuck these people, I'm not
voting for The many of them, none of them get my vote.
Yeah. And did you see, did you
remember for it before I bring that up.
But you are voting. You're buying Bitcoin and you're
taking Bitcoin into self custody.
It's the strongest vote. You can make.
Yeah, listen, but I think a non vote is a vote, is part of a
revolution to say, fuck all your stuff.
Yeah. But then there's that very like
famous Greek quote, right? Which is like something like
look like, if you don't care about politics at cares,
something about you. Like don't you feel like if at
least like on the ground level, you need at the specially during
the transition period? Right.
You know, I think Bitcoin in the long run will make politics
irrelevant but I think during the transition period, do you
think it suits us? So I don't think it'd make their
one of them. I think it makes it a cat more
accountable. Mmm, okay.
Good. Elaborate about that.
What do you mean? So I think what firstly, you
can't print Bitcoin. So any form of governance will
have to be based on tighter stricter budgets.
So that's definitely going to have look.
We're not going to live in a world where it is in the UK.
There are 70 million people voluntarily, cooperating every
day with no structural hierarchy, hierarchies exists
everywhere and it will still be there.
There's a hierarchy in my house as a hierarchy in my business.
There's a hierarchy at my football club, there's a
hierarchy higher He's ever you need hierarchies you some people
need leading. Some people need to lead.
It's just the way the world is but will become more accountable
to the people who are voted in. To lead a group.
Whether it's a town, Village City, they will be accountable
and they won't be able to waste money on print money and they'll
be voted out. So I think you just have a much
foremast, stronger form of democracy based on with the
accountability. Yeah, yeah.
I mean it's look when you take away their ability to print
money, Any. Right?
If we if we transition to a Bitcoin standard, right.
What is their only mechanism which to raise more funds is
direct taxation? Yeah, good luck.
You know, if it's some crazy idea that they get away with now
because they have a money printer.
I totally agree with that. I want to talk to you about and
I'm sure you know based on, you know, the interviews that you do
Peter, you definitely have a look into this.
You've definitely spoken to nollie, smolenski, David cell,
Jason Brett, all those amazing. In people, we know right now at
least in the United States operation chokepoint 2.0, you
know, Caitlin Long's bank. Got, just got denied, the
Federal Banking Charter, we're definitely entering the then
they fight you stage. It's clear and present its light
as day. But what kind of bothers me a
little bit specifically in the developed world where the bread
and circuses are strong, just like the average everyday
person, just does not give a fuck to be perfectly Frank.
Rank. Yes.
Up man. What is bread?
And circuses mean, I've never heard that to bread and circuses
is like, what the old Roman emperors used to do until like
just distract the people distract the public, you know,
if there was like they were going through economic hardship
that the the emperor would just, you know, they would give out
free bread, it would throw it out and then they would throw
circuses, they would have the Gladiator games.
So that's where that expression comes from.
So what I mean bread and circuses, I mean, Freddie as you
Yeah sure you bi and then also, you know, Netflix and chill.
And like, you know, all these, all this luxury that we have in
the west that, you know, the global South, you know, people
are really worried about putting food on the table.
So for them, if they, if the guy in the suit on TV goes out and
says, hey, you have to use my Central Bank, digital currency.
They don't take that guy, seriously, because it's just a
matter of. Can I put food on the table, can
I not put food on the table and Bitcoin can give me the ability
to be able to Vide for my family versus in the west you know I
think we're spoiled. Alex gladstein wrote a book
about it, right? Yeah.
Financial privilege, right? Technical Financial reform,
check your financial privilege. Right?
So what do Nick, have you seen my pin?
Tweet with, let me go check it right now.
Let me say this, not might, they told the mayor get my life.
I mean, it's interesting. It's interesting, right?
Because the I would say the u.s. is more, it's definitely more,
right? Wing in the European sense and
then you're up like, culturally I think is is more left-wing in
the American sense. So, I want.
But why do you bring this up? So could you see?
You said, like people don't give a fuck right?
And so when I'm trying to make this show, I'm not making it for
bitcoiners, right? I'm making it for people who
aren't bitcoiners. And so I'm very, very careful,
Careful, the line I tread and the things I talked about
because what I don't want people thinking is oh look at that.
Some crazy Alex Jones motherfucker, he's just some
crazy conspiracy theorist, I can see the world.
I've, you know, I've looked through, I've looked behind the
veil. I see what's going on.
I understand it. You understand everyone else
understands it. But yeah, if I get on the pub
with my mates and Bedford, I'm like Lads.
Listen here, s, get the beers. I've got to tell you something
mad, right? Basically.
We're To go into a desk file where we could hit a hundred
percent inflation. And that basically means all
your money is going to be wiped down the reasons why it does
because because, you know, we are run by corrupt politicians.
What we really need to do is bring down the government
because they're going to bring in the CBD season.
The CBD seas are going to be a surveillance tool to thank my
amazing. Be like what the fuck you want
about pu mad as like? No.
You need to listen to me, trust
me. You need to listen to me.
This is coming, we're gonna be like China.
They think I'm mad, so I'm always trying to put the content
in a way. Which is digestible relatable
people can understand, which is why I'd much rather talk to Al
in Orden. Then then the say feeding, I do
want to be there shouting at somebody because they've had a
seed oil or they ate some fucking broccoli, I want
somebody who understands the economy, you know, you can
explain it like a rational, normal person would just give
them real world examples, so it's really hard to get across
to people, but you have to make it relatable.
And you have to do at a time when it's hitting them hard,
when like they're feeling the pain, which is Right now, so you
can win that. We've just got inflation today.
Drop down to tempers, it dropped to 10% in the UK, the still
hurting people. So they're people who are ready
to be spoken to have this stuff explain to them.
You could explain it in a way that they can just taste it a
little bit, but get a little bit of understanding, which is why
non Bitcoin shows are important, which is why Bitcoin breaking
into Rogan or Tim Paula's important because you've got,
you've got a much bigger audience who are now ready for
this. It's very hard to get some
They're gonna listen to a Bitcoin show week in week out.
They've got a fully by into the shit that's really, really hard.
Yeah. No, it totally and it's actually
really fascinating. You say that because that's
actually a philosophy that we do this concept of the Overton
window, right? The Overton window for vast,
majority of society, like the normies, the idea of just self
custody and Bitcoin is still radical.
Right? And then you and then it's
exactly what you said. If you bring up if or if You're
if the specific language that you're using, right?
Is perceived as radical. The moment you're labeled a
conspiracy theorist like it's done and dusted your over.
So we know I you know, we know exactly what you're talking
about when you say that. So basically, I'm going to show
you a really cool tweet Lubbock Texas, I went to a really cool
hotel, love it, that, you know, Lubbock Texas has does not say I
know taxes, but I don't know. Lubbock, Texas.
Yeah. Auntie could you pull that up?
Thank you, sir. The Overton Hotel window.
So I stayed at the Overton Hotel.
The Overton window move for me there was it.
Okay so you know what I'm talking about?
Yeah, cool to know you talking about man.
Yeah, it takes time and you know, like somebody in your ego
proof-of-work said, I stopped trying to appease the normies,
who cares, what they think? Because I care, you know, I
really fucking care and I care because people are getting
crushed and then don't understand why and like, my
friends are getting crashed. And my family is getting I like
I worry about them. And so we can we can do all this
because Going to stalk into Bitcoin is about Bitcoin.
Yeah, it's great. Cool.
Alright, we will get it so we'll just go around in the circle or
we can go and try and reach as many people as possible to
understand this. And so that's what I'm trying to
do. Not always trying to think of
how can I do it in a non-threatening way and one of
those ways for me football, I have a football team.
People come down, there was a game of football and a little
bit about Bitcoin and that's cool.
Yeah, I mean it's about breaking the Bitcoin, I could chamber and
a lot of bitcoiners between content creators.
It seems lost. To us.
But we're talking in an echo chamber.
We were talking to each other to people that are already orange.
Pilled the next big lift is breaking through.
We say, on the show is baking breaking making the Bitcoin
ethos, or taking the Bitcoin ethos and pushing it into
mainstream Consciousness and that hasn't happened yet.
And I think that needs to happen, especially because I
think governments know what's going on, I think we're in a
Race Against Time. I think they're going to try to
roll out the cvtc's as fast as humanly possible because I think
they see the writing on the wall.
I think El Salvador puts the fear of God in them.
I think it shakes them to their core, you know.
It just embarrasses. These institutions that people
once thought were extremely powerful like the IMF.
Yeah, man. Listen piece actually sound like
a crazy conspiracy theorist and yeah.
So I'm with you. I think the really interesting
thing about El Salvador Is if they get through this next cycle
and Bitcoin does what it does, the that all that Bitcoin the
bouquet Deport is going to be in the green.
We've got sailor back in the green now - in the green and you
know be kind as a 3/4 x actually massively in the green and some
people are going to be saying a holy shit like the Katie was
right? Maybe we were all wrong.
Maybe we should take a look at this or what you mean?
Crime is down in else. Look, big, but Katie doesn't
definitely has some authoritarian Tendencies.
He's definitely Found a way around the Constitution to run
for another election. But at the same time, crime is
massively down in the country. Tourism is up.
Productivity is up and they hold a shit-ton, a Bitcoin few years
time. I'll be like, oh, you know what?
This dude was. Right?
This guy, this guy fundamentally change this country time will
tell. We're going to see.
Now when times are hard, when when the, when the lecturer
against him what he does, but at the moment, he's a, he's a
threat to everyone else. Yeah.
So yeah, him and Michael sailor
in name, OK. On the nation state level and
then Michael sailor and the public company front, they'll be
totally Vindicated. And I think it'll be very hard
for the Legacy corporate media to try to spin it or try to
counter that it just will be undeniable at that point.
And that's actually something that I want to talk to you
about, right? Which is we're kind of
witnessing. The death of these Legacy Media
institutions that people really confided in for decades and
decades and decades and decades. And they don't even I just don't
personally, I just don't think they know how to react to the
internet. They've never been in a
situation where they could say their line and then immediately
someone's able to respond back, you know, not only just someone
like thousands and thousands of people respond back.
Look, you're lying. You're this is bullshit, right?
Yeah, I saw a really strong tweet by Jack the sobic and it
was many many, I think it was like, last year, a couple months
ago and it really stuck by me and said, if social media
existed in 2003, would we would have not have gone to war with
Iraq of and then? Yeah.
Of course we would have, of course.
Wow, maybe we would have those motherfuckers but I think it
would have been a better defense.
Listen a million people marched against the Iraq war in the UK
or the log. Largest protest, the UK has ever
seen. We had Claire short and hooked
remember with the others, but we had like a number of politicians
stand out and say I cannot, I cannot stay in Parliament.
I cannot stand the benches. Now, after this, we still went
to, we still work toward Iraq. So look, he's, he's hoping or
he's it's a thesis, he has, you can't prove it right or wrong
but I think he's got an interesting point.
I think we're seeing a seismic shift change in media politics,
and governance and, and, and the money we see not, we live in,
would like it the front lines of and living through it.
I'm here for it, but at the same time, I'm apprehensive about
what it actually means. There's no smooth path through
this. Yeah, it's going to be rough for
some people. I just made a show with Luke
moment where he's talking about a hundred percent inflation in
developed Western Nations. It's going to be rough for
people. We're going to see these media
organizations like the New York Times constantly fight back
published bullshit. We're going to see a lot of
this. We're going to see people, maybe
you'll get attacked, maybe I'll get attacked.
It's going to be rough, man. I definitely feel that.
We definitely feel the storm clouds.
So we have a slightly Different show.
Formats are you focused mostly on the interviews?
And then we are basically a daily news show.
Basically it will cover a bit of culture, so we're slaves to the
news cycle. We see the ominous clouds in the
Horizon, just getting closer and closer and closer because we're
forced to cover all the news on a daily basis, or as we would
just won't, do a good job and I make a joke to Opti all the time
Peter I say, we're going to try to hold it down in the US.
But if all else fails were, most likely going to have to move to
El Salvador. I say kidding.
But at the same Same time, there's a part of me that's like
I think bitcoiners I think politicians are going to use
Bitcoin ER at Bitcoin as a scapegoat to the collapse of the
Legacy Financial system potentially.
We've already seen it. We've already seen, I think, was
it Lizabeth? Warren the says crypto, you
know, is a risk to the contagion risk from crypto is too high and
now. Yeah, they had, by the way, did
you see what the genzler you seek answers first, he was
shaking. It was great.
Yeah. Shaking that I mean we're in
Davis and went after him hard as well.
The he was a dude with the bow tie.
That's the that's the, the head chairman and his name slips.
My mind up the I don't know if you want to pull that up.
Yeah it was awesome but listen McHenry mr.
McHenry and read that was great. I mean example going to be
scapegoated that they'll blame every Elizabeth.
Warren will blame everyone and everything apart from herself,
everyone and everything they will they don't want it.
They don't want to lose the status quo, every one of them's
worth tens of millions. How did they make all their
fucking money? I mean, how much no one else is
that, right? How what, how did Nancy Pelosi
make hundreds of millions? How did was come?
Have a look, my hand. I'm going to do is it Nancy?
Elizabeth Warren, net worth. What does it say?
She say, I see a little minion, it as two thousand, nineteen
sixty seven million. He said, yeah how she made 67?
Millions been a career politician.
Amazingly close to the money, spigot go to the money's bigger,
close to the decisions, close to the regulations.
These motherfuckers know what they're doing, Nico, yo, they do
what they're doing and they don't want to let go.
They want to give up this party. I mean, I mean, like, well,
what's the, what's the quote, right?
Absolute power corrupts. Absolutely.
The power, corrupts absolute power corrupts.
Absolutely, exactly. So I mean, I tweeted this out
the other day, which is no one deserves the power of the money
printer. And I think that anyone, any
human being, if you had the power to create money for free
that everyone else, He's had to work for even even if you think
you're going to use that system for good intentions.
I think it would corrupt you and I think that's what's happened
with all these people. I truly believe Elizabeth
Warren. Think she's doing, what's best?
Yeah, so I'm in question that scenario are they, is she post,
rationalizing, is she scheme in? You know what's really going on
that? I just out of it.
Fuck more. You think she's twirling your
mustache is like I mean, she doesn't know.
I mean I just I just think I can understand how she gets Bitcoin
wrong, right? If you go on her website, you go
on her re-election website and you want to contact her.
There's so many different reasons.
You can contact all the different policy things she has
to have an opinion on. There's no way she can sit there
and do the work. Work on all of those.
We do one subject in this Bitcoin.
A, we get it right? What?
I get a little bit. You probably get a more but
that's what we do. She has hundreds of subjects.
Yes to understand. So really she has to have staff
that's who do a lot of that work.
For a lot of people get Bitcoin wrong.
The first time, A lot of people are convinced that it's bad for
the environment. A lot of people think is used by
terrorists and drug dealers. It's is understandable that she
gets something like that wrong, right?
You can, you can, you can justify it by saying just how
busy she is and what she's got to do.
Do what you can't understand what you can't agree with is
having that not having that wider net, understanding of how
bad the money printer is yeah. You've got leading economist
Telling you exactly why this is happening.
Yet you continue on that gravy train and they continue on it
because like you say the nearest bigger.
So there's the bigger things, you can't understand.
I can understand why she gets Bitcoin wrong.
Yeah, but you can understand like you know and I'm glad that
you brought that up because it was all the Tells, right?
It was literally you know, the first they started with the
environmental Fudd. Okay.
Give them the benefit of the doubt, they care about the plan
and etc. Etc.
But the tell was when bitcoiners fought back not in the kinetic
sense, but no great reports are written out, right?
And they were given and then A narrative State exactly the
same. It's like they just completely
ignored the reports. It's like what it's almost as if
they weren't really concerned about what was true or not.
You notice what's in this with Warren is the motherfucker wrote
it for New York Times was his name Cabrio, Gabriel something
so, so Elizabeth Warren is told the opinion.
She should have Ryan. She that's just the way it is.
Yes, you should understand more. He is a journalist Yeah.
Sorry say that again. He is a journalist.
His job is to go out and fully understand the subject of report
on it and be as balanced as possible.
Speak to both sides and he just he he either, he's either an
idiot. We straight up lied.
Yeah. So, which is it, but he spoke to
a lot of people in Bitcoin, he spoke to Troy cross.
He spoke to her. He speaks of Margo, he spoke to
a lot of people and he's straight-up lied and so he had
one job to do on that article was to tell the truth.
Not to tell a pro Bitcoin story and not to not to spread Fudd
just to tell the truth. Yeah.
Be really honest about this. Explain what's going on?
Yeah, Bitcoin miners, do use a lot of energy for some of this
yet 13 years old and it might go up more.
He can say that and he can say that there are miners who have
restarted coal plants and that isn't good.
You can say that but he should also say, let's look at the
balance. Let's look at this compared
Evie's. Let's actually objectively
compare Evie's to bitcoin miners.
Let's talk about. Okay the trade-offs.
Okay yeah Bitcoin miner use a lot of energy but also this is
providing a tool to people live under authoritarian regimes,
provide something to activist is helping people in various other
parts of the world. Just tell an honest and balanced
story. They didn't and the New York
Times haven't responded The Spectator.
Did a fad article a couple years ago and I wrote to the editor
and he said, okay, you can write a reply and they published my
piece. That's that's where you got to
respect. Someone, you got a key, you gave
someone the right replied. The New York Times is a
propaganda machine mmm-hmm, and they have a history of it, too.
They covered. They covered up the Ukrainian
Holocaust. Basically, they sold the
American public on. Weapons of mass destruction.
It is 100%. A propaganda piece.
And when You said journalists Peter, I think independent
content creators are truly the journalists of these times.
I don't think journalists from these large corrupted
institutions that you can even make.
The argument are benefiting from the money spicket or close to or
being or owned by people that benefit from the money spigot.
I think it's really the rise of the individual content creator.
That is that I think you're going to see more journalistic,
Integrity from the I you know in his basement with a microphone
and a camera then you know these so-called institutions that are
supposed to be telling us the truth and I think more and more
people are waking up to that reality.
Yeah. But that's a double-edged sword
as well and I think people have to be careful that as well
because the guy in his bedroom with a microphone is a is that
it's acceptable to audience capture.
I've seen that happen, I think Tim pours completely captured by
his audience, think he's absolutely captured by his
audience because that's what pays Bill's, you know, if you if
you're making a shower or podcast, your goal is downloads.
You have that objective out there.
Not everyone does is of course, but a lot of people, they'll
make a certain kind of shows are holy shit.
That show did really well, we'll make more of that.
All right? Yeah, yeah, we'll get more
sponsors. So, yeah, you can get totally
audience captured as an individual.
Also fact-checking as an individual is hard.
Now, there are even in within the worst Publications, they're
really good journalist. They're really good journalist,
at work for the BBC. Whatever you think of them,
there are really good job. See whether they're really good
journalists, that probably probably some good people who
work in the New York Times or at least joined it with the right
intentions and then got corrupted in there.
But so so the independent can also be corrupted.
So we just have to be careful about bad.
That now I think there's certain people out there have done a
brilliant job I think. Yeah, almost everyone in
Bitcoin. Does a great job.
Of course, Joe Rogan to me is the beacon of this because he is
not captured by audience some time at like it.
I don't agree with them all the times.
Sometimes he agrees with Biden, sometimes you agree with a
republican. All I know is with that guy.
When he says something you trust, he saying that because he
thinks it and we need more people like that.
Yeah, no, I agree. And I think, you know, the
beauty of the free market is, I think that those people that are
authentic, because I think the internet has a very, very
effective mechanism of sniffing out on authentic - I think those
people will rise. I mean, that's not entirely true
either, is it? Yeah, yeah, I agree.
I don't think there is a perfect solution to this.
Anyways, he's finding truth is the hardest job in the world.
Yeah, it's I don't know anymore. There's certainly many more.
I'm not a fucking, I don't know. I mean I'm pretty convinced that
Putin is a psychopath who invaded a sovereign country.
He's got his troops out there, murdering raping killing people.
I'm pretty sure that and I'm pretty sure he's put bullets in
the head of Well, I'm pretty convinced that there's little to
no democracy in there. He's assassinated people in the
UK. Yeah, you know, he was in the
valley. He tried to assassinate on a
plane with poison T. I'm pretty sure all that's true.
But I also don't know. I don't know zalenski.
I don't know his background. I don't know if he's a good guy
or bad guy. I don't know if I don't know
about the agreements to that NATO had with you.
I just don't know what this stuff.
I think. I don't know.
The truth is so hard to find it.
Yeah dude. Holy cow.
It is definitely. Definitely some interesting
times are heading into Peter. This has been an absolute
pleasure, man. Thank you so much minded.
You comes Miami. Yes, I live in Miami.
So I will be here. Did I know that?
I don't think so. I don't think so.
Man. I'm going out loudly.
I'm gonna be that from the fifth, okay.
Hope to see you. I'll be at the conference and
then I'll be holding it down and analysts desk at the conference.
And then, I'll be speaking at the thank God for Bitcoin as
well. So we could see one of these
would be exact. You know what, we got to be
careful, Full of what Tatum Tatum's blown up.
Man, I love tato man Tatum's and man fuck Tatum five years Tatum
for five years. I try to get Dorsey.
He turns out with to a six and like within six months you've
got more tea. It's the to Asics bro.
It's a to a six-man. Fucked him to a 6.
Anyways. All right Peter I really
appreciate it bro. Peace out man.
Anytime Alright everybody, thank you so much for tuning in to
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