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Yo, welcome to another episode 
of Simply Bitcoin IRL. 

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Today, we have Peter McCormack 
the biggest Bitcoin podcaster in

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the world right now. 
So really interesting, really, 

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really interested in getting to 
this conversation as a content 

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creator myself. 
So really looking forward to 

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more delay. 

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Hey, Peter are you doing? 
What up, dude? 

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How you doing? 
Good, bro. 

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So how you been I saw that that 
your Club they won. 

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How crazy was that? 
Well, first of all, I've been 

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sick as Dog man. 
I've been so rough. 

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I think it might have been just 
like everything that happened 

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last week a lot of partying lot 
of celebrating but I've been 

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sick but yeah, it's 
unbelievable. 

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It's unreal man. 
He's it's hard to put into words

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because it was it like a year 
and a half ago, I bought them, 

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they came. 
I was like yeah we're going to 

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get in the Premier League and 
then you're like, okay we 

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actually need to go and win win 
the league and we did it. 

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We fucking did it. 
How many Li how many Legs. 

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Like so the Premier League is 
one what like, what league is 

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Bedford and right now we're ten.
Okay, we're ten and so it's nine

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promotions. 
Uh-huh. 

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I mean, get into the Premier 
League is ridiculous but get 

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into the football league. 
That's a realistic Target. 

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That's six promotions, get into 
the professional leagues, but 

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you got to get promotions to do 
it dude. 

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And, you know, every one of them
is hard and we just did the 

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first one, unbelievable. 
It's unbelievable. 

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I'm so happy. 
Well, that's crazy. 

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The dude and I mean like it's 
good for Bitcoin I guess because

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it gives the exposure. 
So yeah man we got a we had a 

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bunch of Bitcoins descend into 
Bedford last week, we had James 

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lavish, Jeff Booth, Lawrence 
lapad, we had been Arc, we had 

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Bradley Rattler and like people 
flew from all around the world, 

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motherfucking Bedford of all 
places to go. 

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They came to Bedford and we had 
a record Record crowd. 

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We lifted the trophy. 
And yeah, it's it's a very, you 

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know, it's my way of foot. 
I'm like football pinning, 

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people and orange putting them 
through football uniform. 

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Beautiful. 
Yeah, definitely on the mission.

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Anyways dude. 
So you've been in content 

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creation for this dude. 
Dude, Edgar's in the chat, 

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right? 
Edgar is this motherfucker comes

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over from Minneapolis, right? 
Like he comes over on the 

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Monday, he sees us win. 
League with the draw against am 

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too. 
He goes out drinking till I do, 

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like 4:00 in the morning with 
the girls from our girls team, 

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and then he just drinks every 
night and that he's there again 

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on Saturdays. 
There Friday, you parties all 

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week, he goes up into the Gantry
and he commentates a bit with 

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the commentator. 
I think he had the he said and 

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he was like, yeah, it was either
going to this or the conference 

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in Miami as like what you would 
do this instead of Miami. 

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I mean, I think it's definitely 
a big. 

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Deal, bro. 
It's definitely big deal gives 

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you know football is one of the 
most popular sports in the world

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right? 
So if you do end up getting into

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the Premier League and it's a in
a giant Bitcoin logo on the 

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front, I don't know man. 
Feel good about it. 

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That's fucking good. 
Let's fucking go. 

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Anyways. 
All right man, so you've been in

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Bitcoin content creation from 
the very beginning, you know, 

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from what was it? 
20 years 2017, right? 

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Yeah, 2017. 
November 2017 episode 1 with the

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Luke Martin. 
Did you ever think that it was 

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going to blow up the way it did?
No. 

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But it's really hard to see it. 
How other people see it anyway 

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but it could you elaborate what 
you mean by that? 

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So you know how, you know how 
like every day you look in the 

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mirror, you look the same. 
But if you see yourself five 

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years ago, you look really 
different. 

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So you never really see what 
other people see. 

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So when you say blow up, I'm 
like I don't even know what you 

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mean. 
Like, I know people like the 

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show and there's a lot of people
listen to it but I don't see 

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anything other than just me turn
up and doing interviews with 

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other people. 
I mean, the numbers Peter and 

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numbers Peter, I mean mu 
definitely not aware of. 

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Let me know, you're definitely 
not. 

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Not aware of them. 
No, I know the numbers but like 

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I mean what do you say? 
I feel very lucky man. 

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You know what? 
Dude, I feel very lucky. 

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It's you do it. 
You know, it's like the coolest 

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job in the world. 
You get to cut. 

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Go and hang out with really 
cool. 

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Smart people talk about Bitcoin 
the economy. 

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Get to talk about cool shit. 
No, it's too dude. 

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For sure. 
I mean it's totally amazing. 

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It is the best job in the world.
Super, super privileged. 

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I can't believe we get paid to 
do this. 

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Just literally blows my mind 
every single day but But you 

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know, I also think about the 
grind, right? 

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And you know, the first like 
this is going to be your three 

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for me you've been doing this 
for quite a bit longer, but the 

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first year, man, first year to 
was just like so many doubts in 

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your head. 
You're like, why am I doing 

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this? 
You know, and then it's just 

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kind of like powering through 
and then the exponential start 

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to hit and then you're just like
holy cow, this is nuts. 

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So do that grinds Rough man. 
People don't know what it's 

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like. 
I remember when I used to I used

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to fly out to New York and I do 
for interviews and then, when 

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I'm done with an interview, I'd 
got to my hotel room and then 

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I'll edit it and then I'll prep 
for the interview the next day 

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and then I would fly to, I don't
know, fucking Ohio, and then 

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I'll go and do two interviews, 
and then I'd add it, and then 

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I'd fly to Portland and then I'd
find it and I would do, like, 

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six seven stops in. 
I don't know, two and a half 

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weeks and They come home and 
then every six weeks I do the 

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same again and that first year 
and a half of that all you know 

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all the words covid. 
It was hard. 

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It was long. 
And then then Danny came on 

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board and then it changed. 
Yeah, it was a grind and I was 

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losing money. 
Losing a lot of my lost. 

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I lost 100 Grand on the podcast.
In the first two years, I was a 

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hundred grand down. 
I mean, but I mean, you invest 

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in yourself. 
I completely agree. 

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I literally, when you talk about
the grind and then flying and 

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the traveling, And setting up 
and like going to the different 

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locations like opt he's in 
backstage right now. 

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We know exactly what you're 
talking about man. 

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It's like the most brutal thing 
and then there's something about

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content creation. 
That I don't think a lot of 

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people are aware of but once you
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really takes your like it takes 
a part of your soul. 

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I like it just drips it out and 
you know you kind of lose like a

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part of your energy that day. 
Like it is really really 

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exhausting. 
We do it. 

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We do them in Sprint so We'll go
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one week. 
I don't know, 20 shows and 

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there's like most days. 
We're making two sometimes 

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three. 
But we're even in a to show day,

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sometimes, I'm like Danny, you 
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I need like a three hour gap and
then, when we're done, I need to

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go lay down for an hour and just
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because that two hours you 
haven't, it's basically gonna 

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spend two hours trying to keep a
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Going listen to what they're 
saying while trying to have a 

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good response but knowing Like 
if the conversation goes dead, 

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there, you got to take it 
somewhere else because there's a

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lot of concentration for 42 
hours. 

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It's I've, I prefer to be the 
interior like, I hate this show.

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I hate being interviewed. 
I prefer to be the interviewer, 

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but it's a lot easier to be 
interview because you stopped 

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answering when you want to, like
I'm done. 

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You have to you over to you, 
man. 

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Definitely, it's tiring. 
It's interesting that you say 

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that, because I prefer to be 
interviewed because it's 

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autopilot, you know, like the 
interviewers what you said 

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you're responsible for The 
entertainment value of the show 

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where you have to get people 
engaged, you know, and then 

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there's some guests that are 
just they do the job for you. 

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And then there's some guests 
where you have to put in a lot 

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of work, right to make that 
particular conversation engaging

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when they given you like. 
So, the way I explained is if 

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you're interviewing someone for 
an hour and they give you 30 

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second answers, you need mmm. 
A lot of questions. 

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What's that 40? 
Quite well? 

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A 60. 
How many is that? 

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60 minutes that's like 100, you 
need 100? 

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So, Right. 
Whereas some people you can give

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a question they talked for ten 
minutes. 

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Yeah my last time I interviewed 
Michael sailor. 

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He spoke for 45 minutes off the 
first question 45 minutes. 

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It's amazing shit, it's amazing,
it's amazing. 

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No yeah obviously it wasn't 
sailor but who was it recently? 

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It was lavish and Foss and I 
think I spoke five minutes and 

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it was an hour long conversation
and you're just like okay this 

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is great. 
Wait, you guys did my job and 

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then you see it in the comments 
like you did great hosting 

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Niko's like sure? 
Okay, I'll take, I'll take it. 

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I'll tell you. 
What's all them. 

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And anyways, so one of the 
things that I want to talk to 

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you about Peter was, you know, 
as we've been getting bigger to 

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our surprise, the amount of hate
bro that we've been getting is 

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just I guess I didn't. 
I guess we didn't see it before 

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and then I'm kind of Like it's 
stuck in this position where 

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it's kind of like what did I do 
to you. 

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Why do you hate me so much? 
And that's something that we've 

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been enduring, probably like 
this is like a probably, you 

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know, some simply really start 
taking off like six seven months

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ago, you get, hey, yes. 
We're starting to get hate bro. 

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And it's and it's just, and it's
just crazy. 

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And it's like, why do you hate 
me so much? 

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What did I do to you? 
Why do you why do you think that

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I'm a fake Bitcoin? 
Or? 

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Why do you think that I'm this? 
Why do you think that I'm that? 

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And to me it freaking fascinates
me because I'm just like, okay, 

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wait a second. 
So it's not Red vs. 

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Blue. 
It's not like, you know, left 

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first, right. 
A lot of people get stuck in 

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that, like, dichotomy of that, 
some of that it's green versus 

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orange, right? 
It's literally the central 

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Bankers verse bitcoiners. 
Like, that's literally how I see

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it at this point. 
And I see the in fighting man. 

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And I don't think, I just don't 
know how how to approach the 

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show. 
In a better way for not to get 

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hate. 
So I guess the question to you, 

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is that part of the process? 
Is that normal? 

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What have you experienced 
particularly, man? 

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I've had so much. 
It used to bother me. 

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I've got a lot of thoughts of 
this. 

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Firstly, congratulations. 
Because if you get in hate, it 

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means you've been successful. 
So congratulations. 

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You made it fucking great. 
Great work. 

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Nico if you if you, if you don't
want any hate, then be 

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unsuccessful and then we know 
went like, so there's that. 

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Secondly, basically when there's
hate its you versus a loser. 

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Usually, it's some fucking 
degenerate loser, who hates his 

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life and he sees you out there 
doing some cool shit and it's 

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like you're holding up a mirror.
You basically look how much of a

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fucking loser, you are. 
And that's why they're losing 

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their shit at you. 
You know, they've got bad 

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parents or they raised badly or 
they don't understand how to be 

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civil. 
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people see the world differently
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Fucking losers. 
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learn to not give a fuck. 
You should see my YouTube. 

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Like all day, every day is like 
you're a stage curved. 

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You're a fat motherfucker, 
you're fucking idiot. 

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I hate you. 
I hate your face. 

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I hope you get cancer like, 
honestly English, right? 

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Yeah, but it's funny man. 
It's funny. 

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You know, you get that was his 
that fucking idiot Dieter Bob. 

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He was the one, like there was a
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die like your mother. 
That's what he said, because my 

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mother died of cancer. 
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me fired, bro. 
He tried to get one of our 

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sponsors. 
Drop us, you know, you'd like 

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he's a former alcoholic ignore 
him. 

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Listen, when that happened. 
I realized like, you know, I 

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actually just felt sorry for 
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Yeah, you can't hurt me with 
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You can do you know how you hurt
me. 

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Is we go, you know what, Pete? 
I listened to show all the time 

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and this interview did I really 
didn't like as a shit? 

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Because that person matters. 
But that person who like listens

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to your show all the time and 
they're upset by the things you 

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didn't do a job that they matter
because they're one of your 

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customers or the others don't 
know. 

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It's like all the people right 
now. 

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Given David Bailey, shit about 
Bitcoin magazine, right? 

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All the shit he's getting, they 
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going to the conference, they 
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conference and so all or they're
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entire brand is built off. 
Hating everyone for not being 

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perfect. 
They're basically the commie bit

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quite a view if you come across 
the commie bitcoiners dude. 

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I I mean, this is a conversation
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length, which is this idea of 
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demonization of trying to have 
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and trying to build. 
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what what is this? 
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business, right? 
And somehow that's demonized, 

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right? 
And then, what is the other 

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Avenue? 
Like, what is the other? 

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The other way of approaching 
this? 

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The other way of approaching 
this is you do that. 

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You do? 
For free, but it's if you do it 

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for free, the incentives are not
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sustainable model feedback, good
make money. 

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Listen, Jeff Booth would say, 
are they making Bitcoin 

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stronger? 
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mine, love them. 
I really good to me. 

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I understand some people don't 
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shit coins. 
We never promote their shit 

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coins, we just promote their 
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I use our exchange exchange is 
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right? 
Some people don't like what 

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happens then with Genesis, 
perhaps they made a mistake, do 

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you have to talk to them about 
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But I worked with them because 
they're a great place to buy 

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Bitcoin. 
Oh, I like it, are they making 

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Bitcoin stronger or weaker? 
They're definitely not making it

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weaker. 
Yeah, definitely. 

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Not making it weaker. 
So like, don't fucking worry 

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about these people. 
If you're working hard, meet 

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bank, I mean, so and and again, 
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Peter Wright is that's a 
business decision, right? 

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That's a business decision for 
your particular podcast, right? 

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Obviously, you know, it 
Everyone's entitled to make 

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their own different business 
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right? 
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at the end of the day, the free 
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what the free market decides, 
right. 

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So, you know personally, right, 
you know, we stick to, you know,

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I personally work at Swan and we
stick to know Bitcoin only 

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exchange and Swan but cone only 
stops well sponsors. 

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But again, that's just our 
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That's how that's how we 
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Who am I to judge what you are 
doing, right? 

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And that's kind of like the 
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libertarian. 
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bitcoiners are supposed, is that
the whole point, right? 

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It's like to Live and Let Live 
so Nico, stay away from the call

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me bitcoiners they are they are 
there hilariously is. 

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It's like it's so ironic is 
funny. 

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They basically, they don't like 
anyone who makes any money. 

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They basically want everyone to 
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each. 
They don't, like, people have 

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certain opinions. 
They want to hold them back for 

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having certain opinions. 
They want to control people. 

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It's like that. 
Have you seen the We do meme 

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where it's like the libertarian 
and then when you pull off, the 

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hat is a right-wing 
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That's basically what they are. 
They're basically right-wing 

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commies. 
I just don't think the I just 

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generalizing here in are trying 
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I just don't think they're fully
aware of what they're advocating

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for the system that they're 
advocating for, right? 

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Like I'm a full-fledged 
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right? 
And I wear it on my chest. 

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Just right, like in and I think 
that's fine, right? 

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You're providing value, right? 
You spending hours and hours and

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hours and hours, grinding and 
trying to perfect your craft 

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Peter. 
I know what you, I know, you 

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know what I'm talking about 
because you have some of the 

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best production in the business.
Right? 

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And that's incredibly expensive 
and it's incredibly difficult to

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do. 
So like the way that I'm looking

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at it is like. 
So like if you put in all this 

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work you've definitely influence
people you've definitely help 

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people Peter I know that you get
it. 

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The messages, I get messages all
the time. 

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There's like Nico. 
Thank you. 

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You've helped me on my orange 
pill journey and distance and 

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that. 
So you definitely, I feel like 

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I'm providing at least some type
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Isn't it fair to be compensated 
for that? 

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Like why is it, why is it wrong 
to be compensated for the amount

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of work and energy that you're 
putting into your craft? 

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And like, that's the part that I
don't understand, right? 

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It's like, why is that 
villainized? 

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You know, and then it's like, 
okay then you can make the 

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argument fine. 
It's because of The particular 

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sponsors or it's because of this
and because of that that's a 

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business decision, that's an 
individual's business decision. 

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If you don't like what they do, 
go shop someplace else, and 

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that's kind of like the way that
I view it but yeah, she knows, 

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you know what's worse than 
getting loads of hate? 

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What nobody knowing you exist. 
I'm telling you if that's right 

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when anyone doesn't podcast, 
they say to me, I'm starting to 

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get. 
Hey, I'm like I said to him. 

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Congratulations man, you make it
as made it same with my football

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team, right? 
As soon as we started being 

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successful, we got hate there, 
are people out there who just 

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are so bitter. 
Other people are successful. 

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They're so good. 
So envious, they hate the fact 

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and they just have to throw hay 
out there. 

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Just screwed up, they need to go
to therapy. 

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They need to go back and blame 
their parents for raising them 

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badly. 
They need to blame God for the 

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bad roll of the dice. 
They got whatever it is. 

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It's made him so miserable at 
live but these people are 

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fucking losers and you know many
people give me shit, you know. 

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I'll go to the any conference. 
You know how many people 

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actually give me shit in real 
life it's happened like twice 

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once in Germany and once in 
Austin and that's like the and 

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you know I respect those people 
because at least in the bollocks

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to do it in person, Nobody Does 
it in person. 

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They do it all online. 
They're pussies, just don't 

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worry about it. 
Just go make money, ignore them.

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Yeah yeah no and it's and I 
completely agree. 

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It's always it's always 
underhanded stuff. 

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Anyways, I really enjoyed that. 
Okay. 

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So Peter you obviously you 
dedicate your life to making 

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Bitcoin media, things have 
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production value has changed. 
Everyone's kind of approaching 

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it differently, you know, it's 
fascinating to watch right, you 

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know. 
Breedlove's getting a certain 

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way burnell's hitting in a 
certain way. 

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Swans. 
Hitting it a certain way you 

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know, simply hitting it a 
certain way Bitcoin magazines a 

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certain way. 
So, it's obviously developing 

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none of this existed, 2017, 
2018, right? 

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So that's not exactly true. 
Man. 

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What's flourish in existed and 
whatever people think about her?

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So I don't even know. 
I don't even know who she is. 

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I don't know. 
Like, who is unchanged? 

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Have the podcast Unchained. 
Okay. 

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And so she was She was like the 
biggest podcast or when I 

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started she's crypto and Bitcoin
and she's learnt more into the 

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Crypt over the years. 
But she covered a lot of Bitcoin

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stuff when I first got into and 
I've reached out to her and she 

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helped me a lot. 
She gave me a lot of advice. 

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She was brilliant, but she had a
show and then prior to her, 

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obviously we have Bitcoin 
uncensored. 

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But that was like that. 
Predated me. 

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But we are so many podcasts now,
there's so many good ones. 

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I mean yeah. 
Are you real or some names that 

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I think, I think Natalie. 
The best. 

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We've got, I think she's the 
most natural speaker and 

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Bitcoin. 
I absolutely love and adore her 

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breedlove's, doing his thing, 
man. 

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If you want to get deep going 
with Breedlove, I think. 

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Marty and Matt Odell do and 
exits. 

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So many people doing it. 
And you know why? 

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This so-called look how many 
people have made a job out of 

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having conversations about 
Bitcoin, how fucking cool is 

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that dude, it's absolutely. 
It's absolutely Bonkers, man. 

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But yeah, I guess, you know, 
maybe I framed it in correctly, 

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I think. 
Ink. 

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I think the crypto crypto / 
Bitcoin media existed but I 

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think what we're really seeing 
is the rise of Bitcoin only 

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media and not only the rise of 
that it being sustainable in 

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itself, right? 
Which I think is freaking 

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awesome right Bitcoin only 
channels Bitcoin only content 

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and I think that's really 
really, really cool. 

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Where does it go from here? 
You know because at the end of 

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the day like you know that your 
podcasting numbers are huge but 

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Video wise, I think the only 
reason because the only reason 

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this is the biggest Bitcoin 
YouTube channel right now is 

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because he rebranded, he went 
from Trading Trader University 

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to bitcoin University and now he
kind of took the top seat but 

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you know none of the Bitcoin 
only content creators are 

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breaking 250k. 
So that tells me that Bitcoin 

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media is really in its infancy. 
At least in the video format. 

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Yeah. 
So we I mean we do video but I 

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don't care for it too much 
really. 

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Why is that? 
Because it's also nice 

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especially since it takes you a 
lot dude to do what you do. 

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Yeah. 
But we're always going to do the

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interviews in person, right? 
So what because that's my thing,

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right? 
I prefer an interview person. 

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I think it's a better interview 
for me. 

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I just enjoy it more. 
And so while we were there, we 

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might as well set up some 
cameras and dirt, but the, the 

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YouTube audience is quite 
transient and not so loyal. 

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So if you go I don't know if you
look at that. 

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How about you? 
Look at the numbers, but Find 

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the audio podcast, listeners are
more loyal. 

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They want to, they probably 
listen to on average more shows 

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and they listen to more of a 
show. 

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And so on the business side, 
it's just easier to monetize 

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that audience. 
I also don't play the YouTube 

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game, you know, I don't I don't 
have my banner saying because 

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going to 250,000, ah, like I 
don't do that. 

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Shit is his a graphic of the 
person. 

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The name of the show is what it 
is and so I don't play the 

452
00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:55,700
YouTube game and the I think a 
lot of people do pump, does it a

453
00:22:55,700 --> 00:23:00,400
little bit in his own way? 
He's still my buddy, but he 

454
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,000
doesn't a little bit, but I just
I don't play that you to game 

455
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,300
but in in the ball Mark is it 
will grow. 

456
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:10,400
But I think the next step is 
elevating them Beyond being 

457
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,000
Bitcoin only show. 
Like I wish I hadn't called it 

458
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,300
what Bitcoin did. 
I wish I'd done my staff on a 

459
00:23:15,308 --> 00:23:17,000
very just called it. 
The people call Mac Show because

460
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,200
it'd be easier to do non Bitcoin
content but that's the next step

461
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:26,900
is where. 
Bye I mean, so we I mean I don't

462
00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:29,300
even think my by the way - a big
Ledger, I think it's a macro 

463
00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:33,200
show with a Bitcoin lens and the
reason I think that is I can get

464
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,100
some macros. 
Hold on, let's dive into that 

465
00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:38,500
topic real quick. 
All right about, it's not even a

466
00:23:38,508 --> 00:23:40,700
big coin show. 
Okay, so this is this, this is 

467
00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:43,600
the evolution, right? 
So it's like Bitcoin Tech, 

468
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:46,900
whatever and then all of a 
sudden it becomes macro 

469
00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:48,600
geopolitics. 
Yeah. 

470
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,700
That's literally what we've 
become as well. 

471
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,200
It's like it's like, it's You 
know, it's the the banner it's 

472
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,700
the thing, it's bhikkhu you 
Bitcoin in the title but it's 

473
00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:59,600
like you're looking at the world
through the lens of Bitcoin and 

474
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,000
you're covering very, very heavy
subjects that are not 

475
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,900
necessarily all about Bitcoin 
but they're kind of our. 

476
00:24:06,500 --> 00:24:09,800
So I've got this slide in my in 
my deck where I take you through

477
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,600
the sponsor and I just said like
this is where I see the 

478
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,700
evolution of Bitcoin first. 
It was about the tech is just 

479
00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:20,800
like this is called Tech and it 
was the Geeks and the Nerds and 

480
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,500
then it was true. 
Edible. 

481
00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:26,100
So then it became about price 
and commerce and what you could 

482
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:28,700
do it, then it became about is 
integration with macro. 

483
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,000
And now it's becoming more about
is integration with governance 

484
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,700
and then the last step is 
cultural the interracial culture

485
00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:38,300
and these things bleed over with
each other, but you'll see it 

486
00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:40,300
when you make your shows you 
know what guess you're getting 

487
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:41,400
you know what numbers you're 
doing? 

488
00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:49,700
I think if I have James lavish 
Greg Force, Lynn Alden, Luke 

489
00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:54,400
womenn, Doom Berg, all these 
People Jeff Schneider, all these

490
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,900
people them coming on the show, 
The Numbers blow up and duel in 

491
00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:00,000
Olden. 
Show is going to do 120 130 

492
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,400
thousand downloads right and get
Adam back on and it's 60,000. 

493
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,900
And that's no disrespect to Adam
bad, but the dude was cited in 

494
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:10,200
the white paper. 
It's yeah, if you have a choice 

495
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,900
about hearing about macro or 
have a choice about hearing 

496
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:16,400
about some deep Bitcoin subject 
people want macro I think the 

497
00:25:16,408 --> 00:25:18,800
reason they want it as it 
relates to their life they 

498
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,300
already get Bitcoin they 
understand Bitcoin what why they

499
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:23,900
need a wise burn them. 
But they want to know this kind 

500
00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:27,600
of like deeper relationship that
because Bitcoin has with the 

501
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,000
rest of the world like 
culturally politically and 

502
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000
economically. 
And so I think that's where 

503
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,300
we're going. 
And the next big Bitcoin podcast

504
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:37,700
that it won't be a bit coin 
show. 

505
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:40,300
It went a bit coin in the name. 
They will just be a Bitcoin. 

506
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,500
Yeah. 
Yeah, I agree. 

507
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:47,500
I mean damn. 
So I guess we're screwed in 

508
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:50,700
France adapt or die. 
Nico. 

509
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:52,000
That's the thing. 
You gotta adapt or die. 

510
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,700
Die. 
Oh man. 

511
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,200
But no. 
So yeah I've had some sleepless 

512
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,300
nights on it as well, right? 
Which is you know, you start off

513
00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:02,000
because of course it's Bitcoin 
and then you start to think 

514
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,500
about it and you're like you 
know if we're right about this 

515
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:06,800
and that yeah I think I think we
are, right. 

516
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,600
Then, you know, everyone's in be
already, orange pills. 

517
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,900
Everyone's already going to be 
talking about Bitcoin and then 

518
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:20,000
it kind of evolved Xin to the. 
I hate using the word politics 

519
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,300
but like a politics I think 
governance. 

520
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:29,000
Yeah, politics / macro /, etc, 
etc and I completely agree. 

521
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:34,800
The macro heavyweights are 
Lawrence James boss, you get 

522
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,400
them on a video. 
You get them on on a show and 

523
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:40,200
And that shows going to do 
numbers and you put them 

524
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,200
together. 
It's multiply that by 10, right?

525
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,900
There's up. 
So yeah, just like we did this 

526
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:50,900
live event here in Bedford the 
other day and we had Jeff Booth 

527
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:56,500
Lawrence been Arc and lavish 
here in Bedford right announce 

528
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:59,200
the about a month before I 
happened hundred fifty people 

529
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,000
made their way to Little Old 
Bedford and came to this event, 

530
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,600
and we're like, this was cool. 
If we planned a lot in advance, 

531
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,700
we can make it bigger. 
So we're going to do a whole 

532
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:10,400
full. 
Since next year in Bedford live,

533
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,500
600 people. 
And when I look at who I'm 

534
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:19,000
getting in, its Yet, I want 
gladstein here, I want Jack, 

535
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,500
malice, I want Leonard and I 
want pressed a shy. 

536
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:26,300
One troy cross, I want Matthew 
Pines, you know, whether I agree

537
00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:30,900
with him or not, I want Jason 
Lowry, it's Bitcoin as elevated 

538
00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:34,000
Beyond those conversations that 
were happening like 23 years 

539
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,300
ago. 
Yeah, someone like Lynyrd 

540
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:40,800
undertaken Bitcoin somewhere, 
where you thought safety in 

541
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,800
would have taken it but he 
didn't safety. 

542
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,600
Never took it there. 
He kept it. 

543
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:49,600
It he kind of came out with his 
book, such an important book for

544
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,100
Bitcoin, such an important book 
for people coming into Bitcoin 

545
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:55,500
but he never took any further, 
he stayed there, he said that 

546
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:57,500
level and you got these Lynn 
orders who are taking these 

547
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:02,800
ideas even further. 
Yeah, Lynn's ability to read 

548
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,900
every situation is unbelievable 
and add that Bitcoin lens to it 

549
00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:10,300
and Larry is the same Jeff 
Booth, Jeff actually think Jeff 

550
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:14,600
Booth, Jeff Booth I think has 
made the most important. 

551
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,000
About Bitcoin. 
But it takes a long time to 

552
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,300
realize why he made the most 
important talk about Bitcoin. 

553
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,800
He more than anyone has made me 
understand why Bitcoin matters 

554
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:27,500
and and so these are the people.
These are the people are taking 

555
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:30,300
back on to that next level. 
And by the way, after them, 

556
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:32,300
there will be people who come 
after them, who people take it 

557
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:35,700
to the cultural layer, which is 
everyone, which could be a 

558
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Steve-O or a Joe Rogan. 
Whoever like, if Joe Rogan got 

559
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,300
it, like, actually got it, we're
all fucking screwed. 

560
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:44,700
Yeah. 
I mean, did you did you see Tim?

561
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,300
Did you see of course, you saw 
Tim? 

562
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:49,600
Did you see that same cast clip?
That was fighting around 

563
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,900
Twitter. 
Don't worry, come out. 

564
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:55,900
Okay, so there's a Tim clot. 
There is a Tim cast clip that 

565
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:59,600
basically went viral of him. 
Admitting the fact that 

566
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,400
basically he is, 90% orange 
build is one of the most popular

567
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,400
live shows on YouTube and he's 
basically admitting it. 

568
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,700
Look at what's happening in El 
Salvador, I should have listened

569
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:12,300
to Max Keiser. 
Why? 

570
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,100
Didn't I buy Bitcoins 
specifically? 

571
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:16,900
Oh yeah. 
That came out like a month ago, 

572
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:17,500
right? 
Yeah. 

573
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:18,900
No. 
No, it happened again. 

574
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:19,900
Yeah. 
Right. 

575
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:22,200
He just had Alex Jones on. 
I think it was like last week or

576
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,500
two and my girlfriend watches, 
the Tim cast podcast and then 

577
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:28,800
she sends me the clip, she's 
like, Nico, take a look at this.

578
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,800
I mean. 
How long is it? 

579
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:31,600
Optical? 
We played. 

580
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,000
I think it's like a minute, 
right? 

581
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:35,200
If it's too long, I don't want 
to play it anyways. 

582
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,600
But yeah. 
So you're saying we're screwed, 

583
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,400
if they if they become If they 
these people take it. 

584
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,700
We're screwed. 
Listen to us. 

585
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:49,500
We fucked prove. 
You're going to get in. 

586
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:51,500
Oh man. 
Okay, so actually have the clip 

587
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:53,700
if you want to take a look. 
Yeah, let's have a look. 

588
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,400
All right. 
Simple and you know, a lot of 

589
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,000
people are wondering what to do 
and it's like have a family, get

590
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,400
out of the cities and make 
money. 

591
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,400
Get the chickens, yeah man, be 
more self-sufficient, allocate 

592
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,800
your money properly II. 
Can I can hear Max Keiser 

593
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,500
screaming, buy Bitcoin, move by 
Salvador, I don't know about 

594
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:17,100
moving House On The Backs. 
Wants me personally though I 

595
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:21,200
think crypto is another venue. 
If everybody listen to this 

596
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,900
show, 12 years ago, bought 
Bitcoin, the culture War would 

597
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:30,600
be over because you would have 
millions of Bitcoin 

598
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,600
millionaires, controlling 
industry, and snapping their 

599
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,500
fingers and just doing whatever 
they want. 

600
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,200
I think a lot of it is is an 
example of how little faith 

601
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,700
people have in the u.s. dollar. 
All right. 

602
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,700
That's why cryptos doing this 
elephant there. 

603
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:51,900
He still doesn't get it if you'd
be, so that's bullshit. 

604
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:56,300
He has an interest but he's 
interested. 

605
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:58,500
Really in it or is it is it 
like? 

606
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:00,600
Oh I regret it. 
I should have bought it. 

607
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,700
Does he really get it? 
I don't know. 

608
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:05,000
I don't think so. 
I don't think you could. 

609
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000
I don't think you could fully 
grasp a coin in. 

610
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,500
Typical you go through a cycle. 
Like you pay your do get your 

611
00:31:11,508 --> 00:31:15,100
blood huddle. 
Yeah, you yourself not on a 

612
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:16,900
business level. 
I think it's impossible to run a

613
00:31:16,908 --> 00:31:21,500
business right now on bitcoin. 
I think it's just, it's just too

614
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:22,500
crazy. 
Yeah. 

615
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:25,400
I think for a saving for 
personal savings, of course, 

616
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,800
right? 
You yourself are in a Bitcoin 

617
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,600
standard. 
I don't think you can get it 

618
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,700
until you do that. 
Like I think you could read as 

619
00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:36,100
much as you want, but until you 
cross that final Bridge or open 

620
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:38,500
that final door, I think it's in
pot. 

621
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:41,000
You could totally get it 
conceptually but you don't 

622
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,300
truly, truly get it in your 
heart, you need a whole cycle. 

623
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,900
You need a whole cycle because 
you need to go through that, 

624
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:50,600
that 10 x 5x in net wealth to 
go. 

625
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,500
Okay, I can now afford to fuck 
up. 

626
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:56,100
I can now afford to fuck up. 
I can now I can now go a little 

627
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,900
bit more loose. 
Yeah, you need that full cycle. 

628
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,200
Tim doesn't get it. 
Tim is also firmly embedded 

629
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,500
within the culture war, and 
there's monetizing, the cultural

630
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:10,100
war is absolutely monetized. 
It form a liberal now right-wing

631
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:13,200
conspiracy theorist, actual 
conspiracy theorists, he pushed 

632
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,600
a lot of that bullshit from the 
2020 election, but whatever it's

633
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,800
called, but he's yeah. 
Yeah he's part of the culture 

634
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,800
War. 
I mean so the way that I look at

635
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,200
it here's here's my frame right 
which is like there are a lot of

636
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,200
people are in fighting between 
the left and the right like it's

637
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,800
very predominant in the United 
States right now and the way 

638
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,900
that we look at it is look it's 
not Red vs. 

639
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:42,900
Blue, it's green verse of orange
like a lot of people are wasting

640
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:46,900
time, you know because what 
they're look, this is what 

641
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:49,200
happens right? 
The left does something the 

642
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,400
right reacts calls the left, 
crazy etc, etc. 

643
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,000
Etc. 
But what is the actual solution?

644
00:32:55,300 --> 00:33:00,400
Both sides proposed its voting 
but voting doesn't fix like the 

645
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,400
core fundamental issue as to why
people are in doing these 

646
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,700
economic hardships, which I 
believe are the reasons as to 

647
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:11,400
why we are, people are pissed 
off in the first place, which is

648
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,200
the money stealing from 
everybody, right? 

649
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,400
We get we get poorer, whoever 
gets voted in, correct. 

650
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,200
It doesn't matter who gets vote.
It doesn't matter whether it's 

651
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,200
by Donald Trump, who wins the 
next election, you're gonna get 

652
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,800
poor. 
They're going to promote fucking

653
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,800
money. 
Yeah, to we're going to get 

654
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,900
poorer. 
The election cycle is 

655
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:31,200
mismatched, it's completely 
misaligned to the economic 

656
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,600
Cycles doesn't work. 
It just doesn't fucking work. 

657
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,800
And so yeah, listen, I'm like 
everyone on a journey with this.

658
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,600
And a journey of learning I've 
been very vocal about the fact. 

659
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,900
I'm a fan of democracy. 
So with all his failings, I like

660
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:50,700
the fact I can stand outside 
parliament in this UK and call 

661
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:52,500
the girl, the Prime Minister, I 
can't. 

662
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:56,300
And I won't get tortured or 
poisoned, I like that, I like 

663
00:33:56,300 --> 00:34:00,000
that there's relative and I say 
relative with a big kind of 

664
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Warning free press as in. 
I'm not going to get shot in the

665
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,900
head in the UK for writing, a 
critical article against the 

666
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,400
Prime Minister, but at the same 
time, I'm not voting anymore. 

667
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:12,100
I don't vote for these 
motherfuckers. 

668
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:15,000
I've seen, yeah, I was listening
to the radio today. 

669
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,300
This was driven, they're talking
about inflation on the radio 

670
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:19,600
today. 
And so they had some lady on the

671
00:34:19,608 --> 00:34:21,400
phone. 
She's saying, she's 6 years old 

672
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,800
and her husband, 60 years, Old 
and they're so broke now. 

673
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,699
All they eat is jacket potatoes.
Everything they don't see. 

674
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,400
She said we don't have breakfast
when I've laundry of a jacket 

675
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,300
potato and beans in the evening 
and twice a week. 

676
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:34,600
We have a bit of cheese because 
that's what we can afford. 

677
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,600
She said at first, we were 
choosing between eating our home

678
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,600
and feet and heating a home and 
eating. 

679
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,000
Now we only eat and it's once a 
day and and she's telling the 

680
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,199
story and then she just breaks 
because she sounds quite like 

681
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,300
funny at first when she's 
telling when she gets into the 

682
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:50,600
detail. 
She starts crying. 

683
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:53,000
She's done next, lady comes. 
Off. 

684
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,100
It's a lady who's a nurse. 
Can't work extra shifts. 

685
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:58,400
She's broke her mum's lending 
him money. 

686
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,300
She's now not work. 
She's feeling sick. 

687
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:02,400
All these motherfuckers have 
lost their money. 

688
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,700
They've been crushed by the way 
that these parties of 

689
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:10,500
irresponsibly borrowed and 
borrowed money and built up so 

690
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:12,600
much debt. 
I mean our country, our country 

691
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,700
in the UK then Todd told me 
there's our country spends 120 

692
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:21,400
billion a year servicing debt 
interest this 171 billion on 

693
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,700
education so We spend more money
service in their overspending 

694
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:28,600
then we do on educating our 
children any surprise. 

695
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,900
We're fucked. 
So no fuck these people, I'm not

696
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:32,900
voting for The many of them, 
none of them get my vote. 

697
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,300
Yeah. 
And did you see, did you 

698
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:36,900
remember for it before I bring 
that up. 

699
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,100
But you are voting. 
You're buying Bitcoin and you're

700
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:41,500
taking Bitcoin into self 
custody. 

701
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:43,000
It's the strongest vote. 
You can make. 

702
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:47,600
Yeah, listen, but I think a non 
vote is a vote, is part of a 

703
00:35:47,608 --> 00:35:49,500
revolution to say, fuck all your
stuff. 

704
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,600
Yeah. 
But then there's that very like 

705
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,100
famous Greek quote, right? 
Which is like something like 

706
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:57,900
look like, if you don't care 
about politics at cares, 

707
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:01,200
something about you. 
Like don't you feel like if at 

708
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,700
least like on the ground level, 
you need at the specially during

709
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:07,500
the transition period? 
Right. 

710
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,100
You know, I think Bitcoin in the
long run will make politics 

711
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:13,400
irrelevant but I think during 
the transition period, do you 

712
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,600
think it suits us? 
So I don't think it'd make their

713
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,300
one of them. 
I think it makes it a cat more 

714
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:19,800
accountable. 
Mmm, okay. 

715
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,000
Good. 
Elaborate about that. 

716
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,700
What do you mean? 
So I think what firstly, you 

717
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:28,200
can't print Bitcoin. 
So any form of governance will 

718
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,700
have to be based on tighter 
stricter budgets. 

719
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:33,600
So that's definitely going to 
have look. 

720
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,400
We're not going to live in a 
world where it is in the UK. 

721
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,800
There are 70 million people 
voluntarily, cooperating every 

722
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,500
day with no structural 
hierarchy, hierarchies exists 

723
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:44,700
everywhere and it will still be 
there. 

724
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:47,400
There's a hierarchy in my house 
as a hierarchy in my business. 

725
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,100
There's a hierarchy at my 
football club, there's a 

726
00:36:49,108 --> 00:36:52,500
hierarchy higher He's ever you 
need hierarchies you some people

727
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:54,900
need leading. 
Some people need to lead. 

728
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:57,700
It's just the way the world is 
but will become more accountable

729
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:00,200
to the people who are voted in. 
To lead a group. 

730
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,500
Whether it's a town, Village 
City, they will be accountable 

731
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,700
and they won't be able to waste 
money on print money and they'll

732
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:09,000
be voted out. 
So I think you just have a much 

733
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,600
foremast, stronger form of 
democracy based on with the 

734
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,100
accountability. 
Yeah, yeah. 

735
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,800
I mean it's look when you take 
away their ability to print 

736
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,700
money, Any. 
Right? 

737
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:23,600
If we if we transition to a 
Bitcoin standard, right. 

738
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,800
What is their only mechanism 
which to raise more funds is 

739
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,300
direct taxation? 
Yeah, good luck. 

740
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:32,500
You know, if it's some crazy 
idea that they get away with now

741
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:33,800
because they have a money 
printer. 

742
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,700
I totally agree with that. 
I want to talk to you about and 

743
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:40,500
I'm sure you know based on, you 
know, the interviews that you do

744
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:43,100
Peter, you definitely have a 
look into this. 

745
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,400
You've definitely spoken to 
nollie, smolenski, David cell, 

746
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:52,800
Jason Brett, all those amazing. 
In people, we know right now at 

747
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,200
least in the United States 
operation chokepoint 2.0, you 

748
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,500
know, Caitlin Long's bank. 
Got, just got denied, the 

749
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:02,900
Federal Banking Charter, we're 
definitely entering the then 

750
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:07,800
they fight you stage. 
It's clear and present its light

751
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,900
as day. 
But what kind of bothers me a 

752
00:38:09,908 --> 00:38:12,300
little bit specifically in the 
developed world where the bread 

753
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:16,500
and circuses are strong, just 
like the average everyday 

754
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:20,000
person, just does not give a 
fuck to be perfectly Frank. 

755
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:21,100
Rank. 
Yes. 

756
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:24,600
Up man. 
What is bread? 

757
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,000
And circuses mean, I've never 
heard that to bread and circuses

758
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,100
is like, what the old Roman 
emperors used to do until like 

759
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:34,100
just distract the people 
distract the public, you know, 

760
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:37,100
if there was like they were 
going through economic hardship 

761
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:40,000
that the the emperor would just,
you know, they would give out 

762
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,200
free bread, it would throw it 
out and then they would throw 

763
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,800
circuses, they would have the 
Gladiator games. 

764
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,400
So that's where that expression 
comes from. 

765
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,900
So what I mean bread and 
circuses, I mean, Freddie as you

766
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,800
Yeah sure you bi and then also, 
you know, Netflix and chill. 

767
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,900
And like, you know, all these, 
all this luxury that we have in 

768
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:01,500
the west that, you know, the 
global South, you know, people 

769
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:03,600
are really worried about putting
food on the table. 

770
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,100
So for them, if they, if the guy
in the suit on TV goes out and 

771
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:11,100
says, hey, you have to use my 
Central Bank, digital currency. 

772
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,900
They don't take that guy, 
seriously, because it's just a 

773
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:15,900
matter of. 
Can I put food on the table, can

774
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:19,400
I not put food on the table and 
Bitcoin can give me the ability 

775
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,600
to be able to Vide for my family
versus in the west you know I 

776
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,600
think we're spoiled. 
Alex gladstein wrote a book 

777
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:26,700
about it, right? 
Yeah. 

778
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,600
Financial privilege, right? 
Technical Financial reform, 

779
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,100
check your financial privilege. 
Right? 

780
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:34,400
So what do Nick, have you seen 
my pin? 

781
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Tweet with, let me go check it 
right now. 

782
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:43,500
Let me say this, not might, they
told the mayor get my life. 

783
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:48,400
I mean, it's interesting. 
It's interesting, right? 

784
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,100
Because the I would say the u.s.
is more, it's definitely more, 

785
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:55,900
right? 
Wing in the European sense and 

786
00:39:55,900 --> 00:40:00,100
then you're up like, culturally 
I think is is more left-wing in 

787
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:02,400
the American sense. 
So, I want. 

788
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,400
But why do you bring this up? 
So could you see? 

789
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:06,400
You said, like people don't give
a fuck right? 

790
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:12,300
And so when I'm trying to make 
this show, I'm not making it for

791
00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:16,800
bitcoiners, right? 
I'm making it for people who 

792
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,100
aren't bitcoiners. 
And so I'm very, very careful, 

793
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,200
Careful, the line I tread and 
the things I talked about 

794
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:27,000
because what I don't want people
thinking is oh look at that. 

795
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,100
Some crazy Alex Jones 
motherfucker, he's just some 

796
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:34,200
crazy conspiracy theorist, I can
see the world. 

797
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:37,500
I've, you know, I've looked 
through, I've looked behind the 

798
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:38,400
veil. 
I see what's going on. 

799
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,200
I understand it. 
You understand everyone else 

800
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:43,000
understands it. 
But yeah, if I get on the pub 

801
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,600
with my mates and Bedford, I'm 
like Lads. 

802
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:47,800
Listen here, s, get the beers. 
I've got to tell you something 

803
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,400
mad, right? 
Basically. 

804
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:52,200
We're To go into a desk file 
where we could hit a hundred 

805
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,200
percent inflation. 
And that basically means all 

806
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,200
your money is going to be wiped 
down the reasons why it does 

807
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:02,100
because because, you know, we 
are run by corrupt politicians. 

808
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:04,300
What we really need to do is 
bring down the government 

809
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,200
because they're going to bring 
in the CBD season. 

810
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,700
The CBD seas are going to be a 
surveillance tool to thank my 

811
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:09,800
amazing. 
Be like what the fuck you want 

812
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,500
about pu mad as like? 
No. 

813
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:13,100
No. 
You need to listen to me, trust 

814
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:14,100
me. 
You need to listen to me. 

815
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,800
This is coming, we're gonna be 
like China. 

816
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,500
They think I'm mad, so I'm 
always trying to put the content

817
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:22,400
in a way. 
Which is digestible relatable 

818
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,600
people can understand, which is 
why I'd much rather talk to Al 

819
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,000
in Orden. 
Then then the say feeding, I do 

820
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000
want to be there shouting at 
somebody because they've had a 

821
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,200
seed oil or they ate some 
fucking broccoli, I want 

822
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,700
somebody who understands the 
economy, you know, you can 

823
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:38,900
explain it like a rational, 
normal person would just give 

824
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:43,000
them real world examples, so 
it's really hard to get across 

825
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,900
to people, but you have to make 
it relatable. 

826
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:47,500
And you have to do at a time 
when it's hitting them hard, 

827
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:51,100
when like they're feeling the 
pain, which is Right now, so you

828
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:53,400
can win that. 
We've just got inflation today. 

829
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,000
Drop down to tempers, it dropped
to 10% in the UK, the still 

830
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,400
hurting people. 
So they're people who are ready 

831
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,400
to be spoken to have this stuff 
explain to them. 

832
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:04,800
You could explain it in a way 
that they can just taste it a 

833
00:42:04,808 --> 00:42:08,100
little bit, but get a little bit
of understanding, which is why 

834
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:11,500
non Bitcoin shows are important,
which is why Bitcoin breaking 

835
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:14,000
into Rogan or Tim Paula's 
important because you've got, 

836
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:17,900
you've got a much bigger 
audience who are now ready for 

837
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:20,000
this. 
It's very hard to get some 

838
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:21,900
They're gonna listen to a 
Bitcoin show week in week out. 

839
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:25,200
They've got a fully by into the 
shit that's really, really hard.

840
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:27,900
Yeah. 
No, it totally and it's actually

841
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,300
really fascinating. 
You say that because that's 

842
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:33,200
actually a philosophy that we do
this concept of the Overton 

843
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,800
window, right? 
The Overton window for vast, 

844
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,600
majority of society, like the 
normies, the idea of just self 

845
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,600
custody and Bitcoin is still 
radical. 

846
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:46,200
Right? 
And then you and then it's 

847
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,500
exactly what you said. 
If you bring up if or if You're 

848
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:53,300
if the specific language that 
you're using, right? 

849
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,700
Is perceived as radical. 
The moment you're labeled a 

850
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:01,500
conspiracy theorist like it's 
done and dusted your over. 

851
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,500
So we know I you know, we know 
exactly what you're talking 

852
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:13,600
about when you say that. 
So basically, I'm going to show 

853
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:20,300
you a really cool tweet Lubbock 
Texas, I went to a really cool 

854
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:25,300
hotel, love it, that, you know, 
Lubbock Texas has does not say I

855
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:27,100
know taxes, but I don't know. 
Lubbock, Texas. 

856
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:30,900
Yeah. 
Auntie could you pull that up? 

857
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:41,500
Thank you, sir. 
The Overton Hotel window. 

858
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:45,100
So I stayed at the Overton 
Hotel. 

859
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,200
The Overton window move for me 
there was it. 

860
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,000
Okay so you know what I'm 
talking about? 

861
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,300
Yeah, cool to know you talking 
about man. 

862
00:43:56,500 --> 00:44:00,800
Yeah, it takes time and you 
know, like somebody in your ego 

863
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,000
proof-of-work said, I stopped 
trying to appease the normies, 

864
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,700
who cares, what they think? 
Because I care, you know, I 

865
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:07,600
really fucking care and I care 
because people are getting 

866
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,400
crushed and then don't 
understand why and like, my 

867
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,700
friends are getting crashed. 
And my family is getting I like 

868
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:17,400
I worry about them. 
And so we can we can do all this

869
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,300
because Going to stalk into 
Bitcoin is about Bitcoin. 

870
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:20,200
Yeah, it's great. 
Cool. 

871
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,400
Alright, we will get it so we'll
just go around in the circle or 

872
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,800
we can go and try and reach as 
many people as possible to 

873
00:44:25,808 --> 00:44:28,100
understand this. 
And so that's what I'm trying to

874
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:29,100
do. 
Not always trying to think of 

875
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:32,000
how can I do it in a 
non-threatening way and one of 

876
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,300
those ways for me football, I 
have a football team. 

877
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:36,400
People come down, there was a 
game of football and a little 

878
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,200
bit about Bitcoin and that's 
cool. 

879
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,800
Yeah, I mean it's about breaking
the Bitcoin, I could chamber and

880
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,500
a lot of bitcoiners between 
content creators. 

881
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:47,900
It seems lost. 
To us. 

882
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:50,200
But we're talking in an echo 
chamber. 

883
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,800
We were talking to each other to
people that are already orange. 

884
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,600
Pilled the next big lift is 
breaking through. 

885
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,900
We say, on the show is baking 
breaking making the Bitcoin 

886
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:05,600
ethos, or taking the Bitcoin 
ethos and pushing it into 

887
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,400
mainstream Consciousness and 
that hasn't happened yet. 

888
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,300
And I think that needs to 
happen, especially because I 

889
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:15,900
think governments know what's 
going on, I think we're in a 

890
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:18,500
Race Against Time. 
I think they're going to try to 

891
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:22,300
roll out the cvtc's as fast as 
humanly possible because I think

892
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:23,400
they see the writing on the 
wall. 

893
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,200
I think El Salvador puts the 
fear of God in them. 

894
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,100
I think it shakes them to their 
core, you know. 

895
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:32,100
It just embarrasses. 
These institutions that people 

896
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,500
once thought were extremely 
powerful like the IMF. 

897
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,800
Yeah, man. 
Listen piece actually sound like

898
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,600
a crazy conspiracy theorist and 
yeah. 

899
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,600
So I'm with you. 
I think the really interesting 

900
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,600
thing about El Salvador Is if 
they get through this next cycle

901
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,300
and Bitcoin does what it does, 
the that all that Bitcoin the 

902
00:45:53,308 --> 00:45:55,100
bouquet Deport is going to be in
the green. 

903
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,300
We've got sailor back in the 
green now - in the green and you

904
00:45:59,308 --> 00:46:02,200
know be kind as a 3/4 x actually
massively in the green and some 

905
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,100
people are going to be saying a 
holy shit like the Katie was 

906
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:06,600
right? 
Maybe we were all wrong. 

907
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:09,600
Maybe we should take a look at 
this or what you mean? 

908
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,800
Crime is down in else. 
Look, big, but Katie doesn't 

909
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,200
definitely has some 
authoritarian Tendencies. 

910
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:20,900
He's definitely Found a way 
around the Constitution to run 

911
00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:25,100
for another election. 
But at the same time, crime is 

912
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:29,500
massively down in the country. 
Tourism is up. 

913
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,400
Productivity is up and they hold
a shit-ton, a Bitcoin few years 

914
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,500
time. 
I'll be like, oh, you know what?

915
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:35,300
This dude was. 
Right? 

916
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:38,800
This guy, this guy fundamentally
change this country time will 

917
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,800
tell. 
We're going to see. 

918
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:44,600
Now when times are hard, when 
when the, when the lecturer 

919
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,700
against him what he does, but at
the moment, he's a, he's a 

920
00:46:48,708 --> 00:46:50,900
threat to everyone else. 
Yeah. 

921
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,100
Yeah. 
So yeah, him and Michael sailor 

922
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:57,900
in name, OK. 
On the nation state level and 

923
00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:00,700
then Michael sailor and the 
public company front, they'll be

924
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:03,200
totally Vindicated. 
And I think it'll be very hard 

925
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:09,500
for the Legacy corporate media 
to try to spin it or try to 

926
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:12,700
counter that it just will be 
undeniable at that point. 

927
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:14,500
And that's actually something 
that I want to talk to you 

928
00:47:14,508 --> 00:47:16,700
about, right? 
Which is we're kind of 

929
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:22,500
witnessing. 
The death of these Legacy Media 

930
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:27,100
institutions that people really 
confided in for decades and 

931
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:32,100
decades and decades and decades.
And they don't even I just don't

932
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:34,300
personally, I just don't think 
they know how to react to the 

933
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:35,800
internet. 
They've never been in a 

934
00:47:35,808 --> 00:47:41,300
situation where they could say 
their line and then immediately 

935
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:45,000
someone's able to respond back, 
you know, not only just someone 

936
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,400
like thousands and thousands of 
people respond back. 

937
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:50,800
Look, you're lying. 
You're this is bullshit, right? 

938
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:55,400
Yeah, I saw a really strong 
tweet by Jack the sobic and it 

939
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,000
was many many, I think it was 
like, last year, a couple months

940
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,200
ago and it really stuck by me 
and said, if social media 

941
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,500
existed in 2003, would we would 
have not have gone to war with 

942
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:06,900
Iraq of and then? 
Yeah. 

943
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,800
Of course we would have, of 
course. 

944
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,600
Wow, maybe we would have those 
motherfuckers but I think it 

945
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:13,500
would have been a better 
defense. 

946
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:16,700
Listen a million people marched 
against the Iraq war in the UK 

947
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:19,500
or the log. 
Largest protest, the UK has ever

948
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,800
seen. 
We had Claire short and hooked 

949
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,000
remember with the others, but we
had like a number of politicians

950
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,900
stand out and say I cannot, I 
cannot stay in Parliament. 

951
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:31,800
I cannot stand the benches. 
Now, after this, we still went 

952
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,100
to, we still work toward Iraq. 
So look, he's, he's hoping or 

953
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:41,300
he's it's a thesis, he has, you 
can't prove it right or wrong 

954
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:43,000
but I think he's got an 
interesting point. 

955
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:54,300
I think we're seeing a seismic 
shift change in media politics, 

956
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:00,400
and governance and, and, and the
money we see not, we live in, 

957
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,200
would like it the front lines of
and living through it. 

958
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:07,300
I'm here for it, but at the same
time, I'm apprehensive about 

959
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:10,700
what it actually means. 
There's no smooth path through 

960
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:13,300
this. 
Yeah, it's going to be rough for

961
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:16,100
some people. 
I just made a show with Luke 

962
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:18,300
moment where he's talking about 
a hundred percent inflation in 

963
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,300
developed Western Nations. 
It's going to be rough for 

964
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:25,700
people. 
We're going to see these media 

965
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:28,200
organizations like the New York 
Times constantly fight back 

966
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,800
published bullshit. 
We're going to see a lot of 

967
00:49:29,808 --> 00:49:31,600
this. 
We're going to see people, maybe

968
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,700
you'll get attacked, maybe I'll 
get attacked. 

969
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,100
It's going to be rough, man. 
I definitely feel that. 

970
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,700
We definitely feel the storm 
clouds. 

971
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,500
So we have a slightly Different 
show. 

972
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:44,700
Formats are you focused mostly 
on the interviews? 

973
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:47,200
And then we are basically a 
daily news show. 

974
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:49,900
Basically it will cover a bit of
culture, so we're slaves to the 

975
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:52,600
news cycle. 
We see the ominous clouds in the

976
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,800
Horizon, just getting closer and
closer and closer because we're 

977
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,900
forced to cover all the news on 
a daily basis, or as we would 

978
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:02,700
just won't, do a good job and I 
make a joke to Opti all the time

979
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,000
Peter I say, we're going to try 
to hold it down in the US. 

980
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,800
But if all else fails were, most
likely going to have to move to 

981
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,300
El Salvador. 
I say kidding. 

982
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:13,800
But at the same Same time, 
there's a part of me that's like

983
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:16,700
I think bitcoiners I think 
politicians are going to use 

984
00:50:16,700 --> 00:50:21,800
Bitcoin ER at Bitcoin as a 
scapegoat to the collapse of the

985
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,400
Legacy Financial system 
potentially. 

986
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,700
We've already seen it. 
We've already seen, I think, was

987
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:31,200
it Lizabeth? 
Warren the says crypto, you 

988
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,100
know, is a risk to the contagion
risk from crypto is too high and

989
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:37,200
now. 
Yeah, they had, by the way, did 

990
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,400
you see what the genzler you 
seek answers first, he was 

991
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,700
shaking. 
It was great. 

992
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:45,200
Yeah. 
Shaking that I mean we're in 

993
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,800
Davis and went after him hard as
well. 

994
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,400
The he was a dude with the bow 
tie. 

995
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:52,200
That's the that's the, the head 
chairman and his name slips. 

996
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,100
My mind up the I don't know if 
you want to pull that up. 

997
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,800
Yeah it was awesome but listen 
McHenry mr. 

998
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,400
McHenry and read that was great.
I mean example going to be 

999
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,800
scapegoated that they'll blame 
every Elizabeth. 

1000
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,600
Warren will blame everyone and 
everything apart from herself, 

1001
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,700
everyone and everything they 
will they don't want it. 

1002
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,900
They don't want to lose the 
status quo, every one of them's 

1003
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:17,400
worth tens of millions. 
How did they make all their 

1004
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,300
fucking money? 
I mean, how much no one else is 

1005
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:24,000
that, right? 
How what, how did Nancy Pelosi 

1006
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,900
make hundreds of millions? 
How did was come? 

1007
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,100
Have a look, my hand. 
I'm going to do is it Nancy? 

1008
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:38,100
Elizabeth Warren, net worth. 
What does it say? 

1009
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:44,500
She say, I see a little minion, 
it as two thousand, nineteen 

1010
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:48,800
sixty seven million. 
He said, yeah how she made 67? 

1011
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,400
Millions been a career 
politician. 

1012
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,800
Amazingly close to the money, 
spigot go to the money's bigger,

1013
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:58,300
close to the decisions, close to
the regulations. 

1014
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,700
These motherfuckers know what 
they're doing, Nico, yo, they do

1015
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:04,200
what they're doing and they 
don't want to let go. 

1016
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:09,600
They want to give up this party.
I mean, I mean, like, well, 

1017
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,000
what's the, what's the quote, 
right? 

1018
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,900
Absolute power corrupts. 
Absolutely. 

1019
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:14,900
The power, corrupts absolute 
power corrupts. 

1020
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:18,800
Absolutely, exactly. 
So I mean, I tweeted this out 

1021
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,600
the other day, which is no one 
deserves the power of the money 

1022
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,200
printer. 
And I think that anyone, any 

1023
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,100
human being, if you had the 
power to create money for free 

1024
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:31,900
that everyone else, He's had to 
work for even even if you think 

1025
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:34,100
you're going to use that system 
for good intentions. 

1026
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:36,300
I think it would corrupt you and
I think that's what's happened 

1027
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:38,600
with all these people. 
I truly believe Elizabeth 

1028
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,200
Warren. 
Think she's doing, what's best? 

1029
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:49,000
Yeah, so I'm in question that 
scenario are they, is she post, 

1030
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:55,500
rationalizing, is she scheme in?
You know what's really going on 

1031
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:58,000
that? 
I just out of it. 

1032
00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:03,600
Fuck more. 
You think she's twirling your 

1033
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,200
mustache is like I mean, she 
doesn't know. 

1034
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:12,800
I mean I just I just think I can
understand how she gets Bitcoin 

1035
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,100
wrong, right? 
If you go on her website, you go

1036
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:19,400
on her re-election website and 
you want to contact her. 

1037
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,900
There's so many different 
reasons. 

1038
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:24,500
You can contact all the 
different policy things she has 

1039
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:28,300
to have an opinion on. 
There's no way she can sit there

1040
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,800
and do the work. 
Work on all of those. 

1041
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,400
We do one subject in this 
Bitcoin. 

1042
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,500
A, we get it right? 
What? 

1043
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:34,200
I get a little bit. 
You probably get a more but 

1044
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,900
that's what we do. 
She has hundreds of subjects. 

1045
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:38,900
Yes to understand. 
So really she has to have staff 

1046
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:40,100
that's who do a lot of that 
work. 

1047
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:43,500
For a lot of people get Bitcoin 
wrong. 

1048
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:45,900
The first time, A lot of people 
are convinced that it's bad for 

1049
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:47,900
the environment. 
A lot of people think is used by

1050
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,700
terrorists and drug dealers. 
It's is understandable that she 

1051
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:54,700
gets something like that wrong, 
right? 

1052
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:57,600
You can, you can, you can 
justify it by saying just how 

1053
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,000
busy she is and what she's got 
to do. 

1054
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:03,800
Do what you can't understand 
what you can't agree with is 

1055
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:09,000
having that not having that 
wider net, understanding of how 

1056
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,000
bad the money printer is yeah. 
You've got leading economist 

1057
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,400
Telling you exactly why this is 
happening. 

1058
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,300
Yet you continue on that gravy 
train and they continue on it 

1059
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:20,800
because like you say the nearest
bigger. 

1060
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:23,100
So there's the bigger things, 
you can't understand. 

1061
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:24,800
I can understand why she gets 
Bitcoin wrong. 

1062
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:30,300
Yeah, but you can understand 
like you know and I'm glad that 

1063
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:33,200
you brought that up because it 
was all the Tells, right? 

1064
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,000
It was literally you know, the 
first they started with the 

1065
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,500
environmental Fudd. 
Okay. 

1066
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:41,100
Give them the benefit of the 
doubt, they care about the plan 

1067
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:42,000
and etc. 
Etc. 

1068
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:49,300
But the tell was when bitcoiners
fought back not in the kinetic 

1069
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:53,000
sense, but no great reports are 
written out, right? 

1070
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,900
And they were given and then A 
narrative State exactly the 

1071
00:54:56,900 --> 00:54:58,300
same. 
It's like they just completely 

1072
00:54:58,300 --> 00:55:01,600
ignored the reports. 
It's like what it's almost as if

1073
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,200
they weren't really concerned 
about what was true or not. 

1074
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:07,800
You notice what's in this with 
Warren is the motherfucker wrote

1075
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,600
it for New York Times was his 
name Cabrio, Gabriel something 

1076
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:15,100
so, so Elizabeth Warren is told 
the opinion. 

1077
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:17,600
She should have Ryan. 
She that's just the way it is. 

1078
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,500
Yes, you should understand more.
He is a journalist Yeah. 

1079
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:26,100
Sorry say that again. 
He is a journalist. 

1080
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,800
His job is to go out and fully 
understand the subject of report

1081
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,400
on it and be as balanced as 
possible. 

1082
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,600
Speak to both sides and he just 
he he either, he's either an 

1083
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,000
idiot. 
We straight up lied. 

1084
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,500
Yeah. 
So, which is it, but he spoke to

1085
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,900
a lot of people in Bitcoin, he 
spoke to Troy cross. 

1086
00:55:46,900 --> 00:55:49,200
He spoke to her. 
He speaks of Margo, he spoke to 

1087
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,700
a lot of people and he's 
straight-up lied and so he had 

1088
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:55,900
one job to do on that article 
was to tell the truth. 

1089
00:55:56,300 --> 00:56:00,200
Not to tell a pro Bitcoin story 
and not to not to spread Fudd 

1090
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,900
just to tell the truth. 
Yeah. 

1091
00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:04,700
Be really honest about this. 
Explain what's going on? 

1092
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:08,200
Yeah, Bitcoin miners, do use a 
lot of energy for some of this 

1093
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,000
yet 13 years old and it might go
up more. 

1094
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,000
He can say that and he can say 
that there are miners who have 

1095
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,000
restarted coal plants and that 
isn't good. 

1096
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,300
You can say that but he should 
also say, let's look at the 

1097
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:22,300
balance. 
Let's look at this compared 

1098
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:25,300
Evie's. 
Let's actually objectively 

1099
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:26,800
compare Evie's to bitcoin 
miners. 

1100
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,900
Let's talk about. 
Okay the trade-offs. 

1101
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:31,600
Okay yeah Bitcoin miner use a 
lot of energy but also this is 

1102
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,300
providing a tool to people live 
under authoritarian regimes, 

1103
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:37,300
provide something to activist is
helping people in various other 

1104
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:40,100
parts of the world. 
Just tell an honest and balanced

1105
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:42,400
story. 
They didn't and the New York 

1106
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,200
Times haven't responded The 
Spectator. 

1107
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,800
Did a fad article a couple years
ago and I wrote to the editor 

1108
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,800
and he said, okay, you can write
a reply and they published my 

1109
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,200
piece. 
That's that's where you got to 

1110
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,200
respect. 
Someone, you got a key, you gave

1111
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,000
someone the right replied. 
The New York Times is a 

1112
00:56:56,008 --> 00:57:00,300
propaganda machine mmm-hmm, and 
they have a history of it, too. 

1113
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,300
They covered. 
They covered up the Ukrainian 

1114
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:06,300
Holocaust. 
Basically, they sold the 

1115
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:08,500
American public on. 
Weapons of mass destruction. 

1116
00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:10,900
It is 100%. 
A propaganda piece. 

1117
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:14,800
And when You said journalists 
Peter, I think independent 

1118
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,900
content creators are truly the 
journalists of these times. 

1119
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:23,400
I don't think journalists from 
these large corrupted 

1120
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,700
institutions that you can even 
make. 

1121
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:29,900
The argument are benefiting from
the money spicket or close to or

1122
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:33,400
being or owned by people that 
benefit from the money spigot. 

1123
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,800
I think it's really the rise of 
the individual content creator. 

1124
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,300
That is that I think you're 
going to see more journalistic, 

1125
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:44,200
Integrity from the I you know in
his basement with a microphone 

1126
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:49,100
and a camera then you know these
so-called institutions that are 

1127
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:51,400
supposed to be telling us the 
truth and I think more and more 

1128
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,800
people are waking up to that 
reality. 

1129
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,400
Yeah. 
But that's a double-edged sword 

1130
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,800
as well and I think people have 
to be careful that as well 

1131
00:57:56,900 --> 00:58:02,400
because the guy in his bedroom 
with a microphone is a is that 

1132
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,100
it's acceptable to audience 
capture. 

1133
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:06,800
I've seen that happen, I think 
Tim pours completely captured by

1134
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,300
his audience, think he's 
absolutely captured by his 

1135
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:13,000
audience because that's what 
pays Bill's, you know, if you if

1136
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,700
you're making a shower or 
podcast, your goal is downloads.

1137
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:17,900
You have that objective out 
there. 

1138
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:20,300
Not everyone does is of course, 
but a lot of people, they'll 

1139
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:22,200
make a certain kind of shows are
holy shit. 

1140
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,100
That show did really well, we'll
make more of that. 

1141
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:25,700
All right? 
Yeah, yeah, we'll get more 

1142
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:27,800
sponsors. 
So, yeah, you can get totally 

1143
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,300
audience captured as an 
individual. 

1144
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,600
Also fact-checking as an 
individual is hard. 

1145
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:36,500
Now, there are even in within 
the worst Publications, they're 

1146
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:38,700
really good journalist. 
They're really good journalist, 

1147
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:40,500
at work for the BBC. 
Whatever you think of them, 

1148
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:42,800
there are really good job. 
See whether they're really good 

1149
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,700
journalists, that probably 
probably some good people who 

1150
00:58:44,708 --> 00:58:47,100
work in the New York Times or at
least joined it with the right 

1151
00:58:47,100 --> 00:58:48,800
intentions and then got 
corrupted in there. 

1152
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:53,400
But so so the independent can 
also be corrupted. 

1153
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:55,700
So we just have to be careful 
about bad. 

1154
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:57,900
That now I think there's certain
people out there have done a 

1155
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:00,200
brilliant job I think. 
Yeah, almost everyone in 

1156
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,200
Bitcoin. 
Does a great job. 

1157
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:06,800
Of course, Joe Rogan to me is 
the beacon of this because he is

1158
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,500
not captured by audience some 
time at like it. 

1159
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:10,900
I don't agree with them all the 
times. 

1160
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,800
Sometimes he agrees with Biden, 
sometimes you agree with a 

1161
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,800
republican. 
All I know is with that guy. 

1162
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,900
When he says something you 
trust, he saying that because he

1163
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:22,000
thinks it and we need more 
people like that. 

1164
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:25,100
Yeah, no, I agree. 
And I think, you know, the 

1165
00:59:25,108 --> 00:59:28,600
beauty of the free market is, I 
think that those people that are

1166
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,000
authentic, because I think the 
internet has a very, very 

1167
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,000
effective mechanism of sniffing 
out on authentic - I think those

1168
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,400
people will rise. 
I mean, that's not entirely true

1169
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,900
either, is it? 
Yeah, yeah, I agree. 

1170
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,700
I don't think there is a perfect
solution to this. 

1171
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:49,000
Anyways, he's finding truth is 
the hardest job in the world. 

1172
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:52,300
Yeah, it's I don't know anymore.
There's certainly many more. 

1173
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:57,200
I'm not a fucking, I don't know.
I mean I'm pretty convinced that

1174
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:02,200
Putin is a psychopath who 
invaded a sovereign country. 

1175
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,200
He's got his troops out there, 
murdering raping killing people.

1176
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,200
I'm pretty sure that and I'm 
pretty sure he's put bullets in 

1177
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,800
the head of Well, I'm pretty 
convinced that there's little to

1178
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,500
no democracy in there. 
He's assassinated people in the 

1179
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:21,100
UK. 
Yeah, you know, he was in the 

1180
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:22,500
valley. 
He tried to assassinate on a 

1181
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:24,900
plane with poison T. 
I'm pretty sure all that's true.

1182
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,900
But I also don't know. 
I don't know zalenski. 

1183
01:00:28,900 --> 01:00:31,600
I don't know his background. 
I don't know if he's a good guy 

1184
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,600
or bad guy. 
I don't know if I don't know 

1185
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,600
about the agreements to that 
NATO had with you. 

1186
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:39,800
I just don't know what this 
stuff. 

1187
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:41,200
I think. 
I don't know. 

1188
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,500
I don't know. 
The truth is so hard to find it.

1189
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,300
Yeah dude. 
Holy cow. 

1190
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:49,400
It is definitely. 
Definitely some interesting 

1191
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,900
times are heading into Peter. 
This has been an absolute 

1192
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:54,800
pleasure, man. 
Thank you so much minded. 

1193
01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:57,600
You comes Miami. 
Yes, I live in Miami. 

1194
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,000
So I will be here. 
Did I know that? 

1195
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,600
I don't think so. 
I don't think so. 

1196
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:02,800
Man. 
I'm going out loudly. 

1197
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,700
I'm gonna be that from the 
fifth, okay. 

1198
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,800
Hope to see you. 
I'll be at the conference and 

1199
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,900
then I'll be holding it down and
analysts desk at the conference.

1200
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:13,400
And then, I'll be speaking at 
the thank God for Bitcoin as 

1201
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,600
well. 
So we could see one of these 

1202
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:17,800
would be exact. 
You know what, we got to be 

1203
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,900
careful, Full of what Tatum 
Tatum's blown up. 

1204
01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:27,000
Man, I love tato man Tatum's and
man fuck Tatum five years Tatum 

1205
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,800
for five years. 
I try to get Dorsey. 

1206
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:31,900
He turns out with to a six and 
like within six months you've 

1207
01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:34,100
got more tea. 
It's the to Asics bro. 

1208
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,500
It's a to a six-man. 
Fucked him to a 6. 

1209
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,000
Anyways. 
All right Peter I really 

1210
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,100
appreciate it bro. 
Peace out man. 

1211
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,800
Anytime Alright everybody, thank
you so much for tuning in to 

1212
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,600
another episode of Simply 
Bitcoin IR. 

1213
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,700
L will be back tomorrow 12:15 
p.m. 

1214
01:01:50,700 --> 01:01:53,000
Eastern Standard Time for the 
live show. 

1215
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:55,100
I'll catch you guys on the next 
one.