1 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:23,440 Going to a digital currency society where cash will be 2 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,480 gradually eradicated either through non use or a lot of 3 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,560 countries and a lot of governments are trying to 4 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,280 actively ban it. So they're putting limits on how 5 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,040 much you can use cash. Say, you know, $1000 and if it's 6 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,960 more than $1000, using cash is illegal. 7 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,760 When we go to the society, we have to really think about the 8 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,800 implications. Do we want a society in which 9 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,200 our digital money is under complete surveillance and 10 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,200 complete control? Where if you go to the wrong 11 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,680 protest or if you support the wrong political campaign, or if 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,880 you make a payment to the wrong person or receive money from the 13 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,080 wrong person, suddenly your money disappears. 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,280 It's no longer yours anymore. It's frozen, it's seized, it's 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,680 gone. And someone has control of that. 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,720 Corporations, banks, governments. 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,200 And in most cases, there is no difference between Corporation, 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,200 Bank and governments, right? And so that's one scenario. 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,360 And the other scenario is one in which individuals control their 20 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,760 money. And it is digital money, but 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,600 it's digital cash like Bitcoin, where you can pay an individual 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,120 from one person to another, just like I can with cash today 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,280 without any other party getting involved. 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,920 What really strikes me as amazing is that we've gotten 25 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,160 used to this idea so quickly, which is that we no longer pay 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,520 people. We no longer pay people 27 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,800 directly. The less we use cash, the more 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,880 we pay people through a corporation, right? 29 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,880 So from tipping your valet to tipping your taxi driver to 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,720 tipping wherever, tipping is pretty much the last remaining 31 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,000 part of our society where cash is used to pay from one person 32 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,160 who is not an incorporated entity to another person who is 33 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,680 not an incorporated entity. Everything else you have to pay 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,760 for a corporation, whether it's a bank, right, whether it's 35 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,480 Venmo, whether it's PayPal, whether it's any of those 36 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,160 things. And we've gradually gotten used 37 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,919 to this environment where we can't pay another person unless 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,600 there's a corporation involved. And that's astonishing to me. 39 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,920 And as cash disappears, that then becomes a final fact that 40 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:20,280 every single payment in your life will be from you to a 41 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,880 corporation. And that corporation? 42 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,520 Takes a piece of that every single thing. 43 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,040 And not just that, it doesn't just take a piece, it also 44 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,880 controls and surveils and monitors your juice. 45 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,280 And if you violate the terms and conditions, you are destitute. 46 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,480 Wow. So our so the issue is not what 47 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,120 we have today versus the digital currency of the future or 48 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,760 Bitcoin or whatever. It's both. 49 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,920 Futures are digital currency and in both futures cash will no 50 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:47,080 longer exist. That is inevitable. 51 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,840 We are going down that road and now we have to choose. 52 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,800 Do we go to the digital cashless Society of corporate control 53 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,000 over money with the complete and total merging of corporate and 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 state money, where instead of having separation of state and 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,280 money, have the merging of state and money and corporation and 56 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,280 money? Where your money is branded 57 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:11,120 money. You have Chase dollars, you have 58 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,200 Goldman Sachs dollars, you have Coca-Cola dollars, right? 59 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,360 You have money that is controlled by a corporation. 60 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,360 Or do we go down the other future where we have money that 61 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,760 is basically an Internet Protocol that is completely 62 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,040 global, that any person can pay any person they meet in the 63 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,880 streets without any corporations getting involved? 64 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,560 Just for me to you digital cash. And that's really the it's a 65 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,040 less optimistic view because I'm fully aware of what the other 66 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,280 future is and it's already playing out and it is a very, in 67 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:37,840 my opinion, a very dangerous future. 68 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,640 Yeah, we're going to simply Bitcoin live, your number one 69 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,840 source for the peaceful Bitcoin revolution corporate. 70 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,200 Can you use culturomatic warfare will be your guide through the 71 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,720 separation of money and state. Ladies and gentlemen, we are 72 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,080 streaming to Noster using ZAP dot stream. 73 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,200 We're figuring out how to post the videos natively. 74 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,360 Bear with us. But yes, we are streaming to 75 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,040 Noster. We posted the ZAP dot stream 76 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:07,880 link on the Simply Bitcoin Noster account, so go follow it 77 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,280 or Noster. I don't know if that's the 78 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,440 correct terminology, but you guys know what I'm saying. 79 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,760 I'm still a Noster noob, but yes, we're broadcasting 80 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,880 worldwide YouTube Rumble X Noster now too. 81 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:21,959 Very very bullish. Anyways, starting off with the 82 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:26,280 beginning clip of Andreas Antonopoulos, he played such a 83 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:29,680 crucial role in my orange peeling journey. 84 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:35,320 I used to watch his lectures on repeat over and over and over 85 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,360 and over again. And I used to have like these so 86 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,200 many Eureka aha moments about Bitcoin because back then there 87 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,240 really wasn't that much Bitcoin content. 88 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,000 It's not like today, back in the day, back in the, you know, when 89 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,040 I got in 2016, it was, you know, it was few and far between. 90 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Now it's a, it's a lot more developed these days. 91 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,480 So what's interesting, a couple of things he talks about 92 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,400 essentially Bitcoin or slavery, something that we talk a lot 93 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,560 about on this show. There's 2 worlds in front of us. 94 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,120 There's a world of central bank digital currencies, which is the 95 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,400 future of Fiat. And there's a world of Bitcoin, 96 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,520 the separation of money and state, which is going to allow 97 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:20,000 hope, peace, prosperity, opportunity and the future of 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,840 central bank digital currencies. The future of Fiat is a future 99 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,120 based on coercion and censorship. 100 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,440 And the reason for that is simple. 101 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,480 We read you guys a post from Jeff Booth on Noster yesterday. 102 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:39,280 If the international based order is set upon a money that is 103 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:44,720 based on theft, that system is going to require coercion and 104 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,000 censorship to get people to go along with that said system. 105 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,320 It it goes hand in hand. Like why do you think they want 106 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,920 to censor? Why do you think they want to 107 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,640 coerce? Because it's a system based on 108 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,520 theft. And I don't think naturally 109 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,920 human beings are OK with that. I think that they obfuscated a 110 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,600 lot. They use these, you know, these 111 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,880 complex words and complex jargon the way that we're that they 112 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,760 talk about inflation. It's like as if it's a, a, you 113 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,440 know, a fact of life. It's part of Mother Nature. 114 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,160 And you see these questions to these politicians. 115 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,720 Like, what are you going to do about the grocery bill? 116 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:31,240 Like they are single handedly responsible for that and people 117 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,800 are not aware of this. So they rely on the media, they 118 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,000 rely frankly on propaganda. They rely on misinformation to 119 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,800 keep people in the dark about the truth of money. 120 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,080 And that's our job as Bitcoiners, really, to get the 121 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,520 message out there, break the Bitcoin echo chamber, and really 122 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,720 get people to understand that money can exist without theft 123 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,320 baked into it. The farther you get away from 124 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,320 the developed world where the inflation rate is ever so slight 125 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,160 for people not to realize they're being just stolen from, 126 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:13,600 the less that veneer of legitimacy works on people. 127 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,240 When you're dealing with hyperinflation or double digit 128 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,960 inflation and the government is on TV telling you that it's your 129 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:26,000 patriotic duty to use your local currency, you don't believe them 130 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,080 anymore. So we're going to do a special 131 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,600 coverage of the debate tonight. We're going to focus on Bitcoin. 132 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,640 We're not going to get into all the other political issues and 133 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:37,920 Opti and I are going to react to it. 134 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,720 I think Sophie's going to join us as well. 135 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,080 It's going to be an EX Rumble and Noster exclusive because we 136 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,360 might say some things that are not YouTube friendly. 137 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,920 So really looking forward to that. 138 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:53,640 Also, Jack Mahler's had a debate with Peter Schiff in regards to 139 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,120 how Bitcoin is superior to gold. I can't believe we're even 140 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,760 having this discussion. But TLDR essentially, look, I'm 141 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,720 a fan of gold. I'll be honest with you, I'm a 142 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,680 fan of it. I'm a fan of physical gold, gold 143 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,120 that I can hold in my hand. But do I believe that gold is 144 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,440 superior to Bitcoin? No. 145 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,960 Do I believe that you can build a sound money system or sound 146 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,720 money society on top of gold? No. 147 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,440 Because of gold's physical characteristics, it is. 148 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,760 It is essentially limited on how it could be used. 149 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,520 You can't send gold immediately across the globe for pennies on 150 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,320 the dollar. You're going to have to send a 151 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,240 paper version of that gold, right? 152 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,679 But you're not going to actually be able to send that physical 153 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,680 gold internationally, overseas instantaneously at the speed of 154 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:47,960 light. It's not going to happen. 155 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,080 So because of those reasons, because of gold's physical 156 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,720 characteristics, it failed and it was eventually Co opted. 157 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,840 And by the way, this isn't just the story in the United States. 158 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,760 This happened back in the Roman era as well. 159 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,400 When the Roman currency the the Dinarist first was released, it 160 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,680 first came out the amount and they didn't use, they used 161 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,680 silver instead of gold, but a rare, a rare or like a a rare 162 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:17,880 metal, right? A scarce metal. 163 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,680 Better said the amount of silver in each Dinaris, I think it was 164 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:27,840 like .85% or .9%. By the time of the Roman Empire, 165 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,760 the the downfall of the Western Roman Empire, it was down to 166 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,120 like .00000 like it was a is a minuscule amount. 167 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,600 So they inflated the currency and people could you could make 168 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,120 a very strong case that the reason as to why the the the 169 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,560 downfall of the Roman Empire occurred what one of the major 170 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:51,000 reasons was inflation. So this is a story that has 171 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,880 repeated itself throughout human history, but for the first time, 172 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:01,680 we have a technology and that only Bitcoin that fundamentally 173 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:05,360 solves this problem. If enough people wake up to the 174 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:10,200 reality of the power that self custody gives the individual. 175 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,120 And I posted this on Oster and Twitter this morning, if enough 176 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,720 of us take self custody, we win and there's nothing they can do 177 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,200 about it. And what's very powerful about 178 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:26,640 this movement is that we are not relying on a politician to swoop 179 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,840 in and come and save the day. This is something that each of 180 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,520 us as sovereign individuals could start doing now, buying 181 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,240 Bitcoin, earning Bitcoin, mining Bitcoin, and taking that said 182 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,160 Bitcoin into self custody right now. 183 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,480 We could start doing this now. We don't have to wait till the 184 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:49,040 result of the election. We don't have to wait for Trump 185 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,480 to come in and you know, save the day. 186 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,000 Or if you believe in Kamala to come in and save the day, you 187 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,200 could start saving your own day by earning, mining and saving in 188 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,840 Fiat. And by doing so, you are now 189 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,760 living on a unit of account, a currency that is inherently 190 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,360 deflationary, meaning your life and everything around you, 191 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,040 housing, food, whatever, it's going to get progressively 192 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,080 cheaper for you over time compared to everyone else around 193 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,640 you that for whatever reason continues to use political, also 194 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,280 known as Fiat. So something to keep in mind as 195 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,600 we watch the debate tonight. The answer to a lot of the 196 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,720 world's problems isn't a politician. 197 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,760 The answer to a lot of the world's problems is broken 198 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,920 money. That being said, all that being 199 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,760 said, still, depending on which politicians get elected into 200 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,200 office, this could either accelerate hyper bitcoinization 201 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,400 or decelerate it. So that's not to say that Fiat 202 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,560 politics isn't important. It still plays an important role 203 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,080 during this transitionary era. I can't emphasize that enough. 204 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,880 This is the first Bitcoin election in the United States. 205 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:06,080 But what I do want to emphasize is that you can start take 206 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,760 control. You can start taking control of 207 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,040 your destiny today. You don't have to wait for 208 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,240 anybody. And that's the power of Bitcoin. 209 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,040 Anyways, I do want to welcome our panel for today. 210 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,840 Of course, we have Carr, the founder of Pleb Lab, and we have 211 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,200 Optimus Fields in the house today. 212 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,360 Man, Opti, I think this is going to be our first live reaction to 213 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,320 a Fiat political debate. Are you excited? 214 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,240 I'm so excited. It's going to be amazing. 215 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,640 It's going to be so much fun. I I cannot wait. 216 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,360 I am literally bursting out of my seams ready to do this 217 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:41,800 stream. No, it's going to be wack. 218 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,880 It's going to be so wack. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not 219 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,920 happy about it. The I'm pretty sure it's going 220 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,640 to be a horrible debate. But hey, we got to do it for the 221 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,920 culture. We'll see what happens. 222 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,720 It should be fun anyways. But yeah, I'm not that excited. 223 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,280 I've I've been watching too much politics lately. 224 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,080 I watched the DNC, the RNC, the last debate and man, it's just 225 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:07,240 clown world personified and it is horrible and it's not fun and 226 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,840 it's not even exciting. So yeah, it's not going to be 227 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,560 great at all. It's literally going to be bad. 228 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:15,760 But anyways, I'm kind of excited about the ZAP stream Niko Niko 229 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,240 just literally, you know, silent launched this ZAP stream on me 230 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,480 and shout out the Darth coin. He he zapped us 121 sats 231 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,640 already. So this is this is pretty cool. 232 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,920 We got, you know, 20 people over there on ZAP stream. 233 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,560 That's dope. This is this is awesome. 234 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:34,520 And yeah, on another note, I am totally cooked right now. 235 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,520 My back hurts. I feel like a boomer. 236 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,240 I'm I'm struggling to even sit up right now. 237 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,440 But hey, you know the show goes on anyways. 238 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,040 Car, what's up bro? I'm one SEC, one SEC am I here? 239 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,920 Yes car, I am super excited for today's culture. 240 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,400 Let's talk about Pleblab real quick. 241 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,400 For everyone out there that doesn't know what Pleblab is, 242 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,680 give it a little TLDR. What is Pleblab and what is the goal 243 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:01,480 with Pleblab? And then we'll go deep, deep 244 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,680 dive on the culture. Yeah, it's kind of what Nico was 245 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:06,720 saying at the top of the show with the Andreas clip. 246 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,320 It's, it's about decentralizing the world and making sure 247 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,120 Bitcoin is the primary currency to do that. 248 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,640 One of the things that we do here at pub lab is we have a 249 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,880 hackerspace with builders who are all self sovereign. 250 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:17,520 A lot of them don't want to be docs. 251 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,880 A lot of them want to keep their privacy. 252 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,240 So we allow them to pay with Bitcoin directly to us. 253 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,600 So we're kind of like the the shield, as you would say, for 254 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,920 these builders to create in peace and, and be able to do the 255 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,360 things that they want to do. So it's very much that ethos, 256 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:36,080 the core hardcore Bitcoin ethos. And yeah, I think on the monthly 257 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,080 we try to do our best to get more developers and more 258 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,360 projects inside the lab and try to help them in any way we can. 259 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,400 Whether that's getting them connected to people like Y'all 260 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,680 or getting them connected to other people in the space that 261 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,160 can provide them grants or provide them some sort of 262 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,920 upfront Bitcoin to help them get started on their on their path 263 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,640 for their project. And yeah, I'm super excited with 264 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,000 what we've been doing for the past four years here in Austin, 265 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,680 and I'm looking forward to doing another 4 this next cycle. 266 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,960 Oh, man, I'm excited. I love Bitcoiners building, man, 267 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,520 Bitcoiners building is how we win. 268 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,040 We got the smartest and brightest people on our side. 269 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,840 Yeah. And of course, most importantly, 270 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:21,120 we have incentives on our side. And all they have left is lies, 271 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,440 misrepresentation and coercion. 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What is money? 332 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,200 And once you start going down this rabbit hole, the inevitable 333 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,240 question that you're going to lead to is not what is money? 334 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,360 The question that you're going to lead to is what is 335 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:18,920 government? What is the role of the state? 336 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,160 What do they do for me? And you could see the cognitive 337 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,320 dissonance when cognitive dissonance when you see Fiat 338 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,720 economists talking about this and you see them like short 339 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,680 circuit a little bit and you see them get upset when they say it 340 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,920 can't be money, Bitcoin can't be money. 341 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,560 You see this from central bankers. 342 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,440 You see this from politicians. And here's the reality check. 343 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:49,240 Bitcoin is currently sitting at $56,907.00. 344 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,040 I've used Bitcoin to purchase many things in my life using 345 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,800 Lightning or using on chain. Is that not money? 346 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:05,400 Like am I not using it as money? So the market determines what 347 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:12,320 money is, not politicians. And unfortunately for people 348 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,560 that have, you know, drank the Kool-aid, so to speak, that's a 349 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,000 very hard pill to swallow because for the first time, the 350 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,680 state can't shut it down because of its decentralized nature. 351 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:30,000 And because the state can't shut it down, it's going to be forced 352 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,000 to compete with it. And when you have state money 353 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:39,560 which is censored and inflated, versus decentralized money, 354 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:45,040 which is censorship resistant and deflationary, you're going 355 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,760 to figure out very quickly who's going to win that over the long 356 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,160 term. Go and try to send a wire 357 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,520 transfer and then send a Bitcoin transaction. 358 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,240 You'll realize extremely quickly how this ends. 359 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:03,480 But remember the, to use Jeff Booth's words, the international 360 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:08,360 rules based order. A lot of the systems of control 361 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:13,080 that the government has built has been built on the idea of 362 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,240 always being able to put pressure on the middleman. 363 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:23,040 The problem is for them is whether it comes to information 364 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,720 mass scale peer-to-peer communications or mass scale 365 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,840 peer-to-peer transactions. There is no middle man to Co 366 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,040 opt, but their system has not adjusted to that. 367 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,480 Anyways, I'm giving context to this video before I play it. 368 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,120 I think Max Keiser has a really good point here. 369 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,800 Money existed before the state. Bitcoin separates money from the 370 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,360 state. Bitcoin ends the state. 371 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:54,200 Not only is David MCW, it stands for David McWilliams, an 372 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,040 economist, podcaster and author view on money. 373 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,720 Daft. His views on the state make no 374 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,480 sense either. No state money has ever escaped 375 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,360 losing 99 to 100% of its purchasing power. 376 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,960 Let's check out the clip. It's about a minute and 13 377 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,000 seconds. You talk about cryptocurrency, 378 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,680 you talk about Bitcoin, and you sound a fairly significant 379 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,280 warning. One of the key points in the 380 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,880 book is that over thousands of years, one of the essential 381 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,360 arguments has been between private money and public money. 382 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,320 Real money is always public, issued by the state or an agent 383 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,360 of the state. Private money, as in 384 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:36,400 cryptocurrency, can only enrich those people who print the 385 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,600 money. And if you, if Anton Savage had 386 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,400 Anton Savage coin and you print it, who'd get rich, Anton? 387 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,680 You would actually get rich if you think about it, right. 388 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:50,720 So at the core of the monetary system is the idea that money is 389 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,760 as much part of the state as the guard, ER, as the Irish army is, 390 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,000 as the tax system is, right. This is the state. 391 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,960 You cannot divorce money from the state. 392 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,600 Why? It's too important. 393 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,240 Yes, we are told the. Cryptocurrency achieves exactly 394 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,040 that, and this democracy and currency. 395 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,960 Cryptocurrency is lots of things, but it's not currency 396 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:12,160 and it's not money. It is a speculative asset that 397 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,400 goes up, goes down. As I said in the book, look, I'm 398 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,760 not giving people financial advice. 399 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:18,720 If you want to buy crypto, away you go. 400 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,440 But don't tell me it's money, because if you tell me it's 401 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,360 money, you don't understand money. 402 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,360 I would say he doesn't understand money. 403 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,240 I would say that like it can't, he can't comprehend it. 404 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,240 He has come to the conclusion, but he can't comprehend a world 405 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,760 where the state isn't in control of money. 406 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,160 So let's rebuke a lot of his points. 407 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,720 First point that he made, which is this idea of public and 408 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:50,560 private guys, I'm telling you right now that is BS. 409 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,120 Why? Has anyone ever audited the Fed? 410 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,840 No. Can you create more dollars? 411 00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,400 No. You go to jail. 412 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,800 That's that's like, you know, counterfeiting. 413 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,440 Can you, you know, audit every transaction on a public Ledger? 414 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,360 No. Can anyone mine Bitcoin? 415 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,400 Yeah. Could anyone run the Bitcoin 416 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,480 softer? Yeah. 417 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,520 Could anyone audit it at any time? 418 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,640 Yeah. Does anyone have any special 419 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,600 privileges within the Bitcoin network? 420 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,560 No. What sounds more public and what 421 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,240 sounds more private to you? And he said the choir part out 422 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,720 loud when he was talking about shitcoins. 423 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,400 Which is why Bitcoin is so different than altcoins. 424 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,080 And altcoin doesn't solve the problem of Fiat. 425 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,240 It just moves the problem of Fiat from the government to a 426 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,760 foundation or to a founder, which is no one should have the 427 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,800 ability to create money for free that another human being has to 428 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,840 work for. The fundamental issue with 429 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,720 altcoins, from the revolutionary standpoint is that altcoin 430 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,960 founders and developers will change the rules to benefit 431 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,520 themselves, just as the government does. 432 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,960 What bitcoiners have realized is that no one should deserve 433 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,520 special privileges. Everyone should be equal in that 434 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,080 sense. So he's coming to the 435 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,680 realization that, holy crap, like, it is extremely important 436 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,560 that the government continues to have that monopoly on money. 437 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,520 I don't think the government in its current form can exist 438 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,320 without having its monopoly on money. 439 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,760 And therefore, in his mind, he just blocks it out and he just 440 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,680 says it can't be money. Reality check, it's not for you 441 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,960 to determine or any central bank or any country or any government 442 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,680 to determine what is money and what is not money. 443 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,960 The market is going to do that on its own. 444 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,360 And by the way, already in El Salvador, they made Bitcoin 445 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,080 legal tender legal through democracy. 446 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,640 So in El Salvador, if you want to go down that route, it's 447 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,840 already determined as money. So who are you to say as someone 448 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,280 living in the West, that the that what El Salvador did, 449 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,560 choosing a money that they wanted to define as money is not 450 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:16,800 money? Who are you to say that? 451 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,200 What he's really protecting and what he's really advocating for 452 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:26,080 is I want the system, this special system where 453 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,120 bureaucratic elite in Washington, DC had the very 454 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:34,880 special privilege of being ever being able to control and issue 455 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,960 money at will. And that system is now being 456 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,480 threatened by something that is decentralized and can't be shut 457 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,200 down. So therefore that system in 458 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,200 Washington, DC is going to have to compete with Bitcoin. 459 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,040 And it doesn't like competition. It hates competition because 460 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,640 fundamentally it's a system based on theft. 461 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,000 But I love watching them squirm in the process. 462 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,400 Like he he, he couldn't like he could not comprehend it. 463 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,000 You could see he was like, it's just not money. 464 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,960 This is this is impossible, like only the state should have the 465 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,720 ability to do that. And then he uses the, he tries 466 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,560 to commingle the word public with the word no, no, no, no, 467 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,680 no, no, no Fiat is private. The Bitcoin is public. 468 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,800 That's the reality, right? So anyways, that's my take on 469 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,480 that. I just, I love to play those 470 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,600 types of things because those are the types of people that you 471 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,400 know, those are the types of people that are going to come 472 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,600 out. They're they're going to hate 473 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,400 Bitcoin, They're going to try to stop it, not because of bitcoins 474 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,200 characteristics, for the benefit that Bitcoin's going to bring, 475 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,840 but because they're advocating for a spit, for a system of 476 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,120 special privileges, a system based on theft and coercion. 477 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,600 That's what they're advocating for. 478 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,120 When you advocate for Fiat. Anyways, I'm going to pass it on 479 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,880 to car car. You have an amazing background 480 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,840 behind you, so I'm sure you feel very, very passionately about 481 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,880 what that gentleman had to say. What are your thoughts? 482 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,280 I think, I think you just hit it on the on the head, Nico. 483 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,040 I think the biggest problem with it is like Jerome Powell can 484 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,960 just press a button and wipes away everybody's hard work for 485 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,440 the week. Do you know what I mean? 486 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,920 Like he can literally just print money at will from his desk. 487 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,960 And to me that's, that's just like not acceptable. 488 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,760 I mean, we can, I mean, we can work really hard as builders 489 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,520 here in the ecosystem and we can work for every SAT that we have. 490 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,440 And fundamentally we all know that, hey, there's more work to 491 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,400 be done and we can have those conversations. 492 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,560 But honestly, this, this, this world that they're, they're kind 493 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,520 of in right now just printing money and wiping away 494 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,920 everybody's hard work for the week. 495 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,800 It just doesn't make any sense to me. 100% no, it doesn't mean 496 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,880 I don't think it makes any sense to anyone Opti it like it. 497 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,600 It doesn't make sense if you wake up like and you see people 498 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,440 kind of struggling with it and trying to come to terms with it 499 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,080 because it's a very tough pill to swallow. 500 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,520 Could you imagine that like you've been working your entire 501 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,080 life for these dollars and then you realize that the entire 502 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,760 system is based on theft and it's based on a lot people don't 503 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,440 understand what money is and people still believe that 504 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,680 inflation is somehow like a fact of nature. 505 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,840 Anyways, Opti, what are your? What are your thoughts on all 506 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,600 this? Well, my first thought is just 507 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,120 the amount of status academic cope that I just heard was off 508 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,560 the chart over 9000. I am happy that these people do 509 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,720 the mental gymnastics to try to say that Bitcoin isn't money and 510 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,200 they never hold Bitcoin. Honestly, I think this is a 511 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,360 feature, not a bug. So I I thought that was kind of 512 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,080 hilarious, especially the part where he's saying what do you 513 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,920 say? Like if I created my own coin, I 514 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,000 would print it and then I would get rich. 515 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,640 It's like, does this guy even understand how Fiat currencies 516 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,480 work? That's literally what's going on 517 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,480 with dollars and whatever. You know, the pound, it's all 518 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,680 paper money. You know, Fiat money, which is 519 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,120 literally money by the decree of the government. 520 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,240 And they can print more of it and the people at the top get 521 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,040 richer because they're closer to the money printer. 522 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,480 Like he literally just described the Fiat system and then painted 523 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,600 it on crypto currencies. And I agree, This is why we are 524 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,000 Bitcoin only, because Bitcoin had the Immaculate Conception, 525 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,040 because everyone that participates in the Bitcoin 526 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,560 network is equal on the Bitcoin network. 527 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,320 And so I to a certain extent kind of agree with him, but what 528 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,520 he just painted really only relates to Fiat currencies and 529 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,680 altcoins. It it it has nothing to do with 530 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,200 Bitcoin. And of course I'm a free market 531 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,440 maxi. I agree that there shouldn't be 532 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,520 a cabal of government officials that control the monetary 533 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,760 network. It's just simple economics. 534 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,200 I don't think that any small group of people have all of the 535 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,360 information to control the economy in a good way. 536 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,720 Any amount of control over the economy is going to 'cause 537 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,400 inadvertent effects and then they will just continue to 538 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,560 manipulate it. And this is the feature of 539 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,600 Bitcoin. Bitcoin will end financial 540 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,840 engineering and this is the future that we're heading into. 541 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,640 And especially if you relate this to the cold open of Andreas 542 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,720 Antonopoulos, we are heading into a digital world. 543 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,040 It already is digital. Fiat money is already digital 544 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,520 and we really have to pass ahead of us. 545 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:23,680 It is either a digital currency ACBBC that is controlled by a 546 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,720 small cabal of people that has expiration dates that can be 547 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,400 censored that you know can really kick you off the network, 548 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,320 or another one that none of those features are a part of. 549 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,760 There is a permissionless censorship resistant money that 550 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,760 all you have to do is choose to participate in it. 551 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,560 It is freedom money. It is Bitcoin. 552 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,080 So personally, man, I maybe maybe it's because my back's 553 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,040 hurting and I feel like a boomer today and I'm like, look, have 554 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,200 fun playing with your paper money, with your government debt 555 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,960 Ious like we don't need you where we're going. 556 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,480 You will get it eventually. But it really just goes to show 557 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,240 that if people are listening to these academics, these status 558 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,000 Keynesian economists and this guy, what works for the 559 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,240 economists like the magazine, and it's just, it's ridiculous 560 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,080 that this is where we are. So hopefully people aren't 561 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,680 listening to him, but I think people are listening to him 562 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,360 because he has the academic background that he has that 563 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,400 legitimacy. But man, it's just, it's just 564 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,760 beautiful. Like I, I love speculating. 565 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,440 I, I, I love speculating on life and then being proven right and 566 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,320 just continuing to show the world that, hey, you may not 567 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,080 think Bitcoin is money. That's fine by me, but it is my 568 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:42,160 money and I will continue to save and use the better money. 569 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,720 It's just that simple. Have fun. 100 percent, 100% also 570 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,160 shout out. I didn't expect so many live 571 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,960 viewers on ZAP dot stream bro and it's a lively chat. 572 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,400 So shout out to the bitcoiners that are watching us there. 573 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,080 And of course, we posted that on our noster as well. 574 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,120 So really, really warming up to that as well. 575 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,040 I see lightning goats, Darth coin, Darth coin. 576 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,840 I apologize for taking so long. I'm a media person, not really a 577 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,760 tech person, but I eventually I figured it out over the weekend 578 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,360 and we're going to continue to drop even more content on Noster 579 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,400 as well. So stay tuned anyways, guys, if 580 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,800 you're watching us on YouTube Rumble X Nos, I don't know if 581 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,800 you could like it, but make sure to smash that like button 582 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,280 really, really helps push the message forward. 583 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,520 Of course, if you guys are enjoying the show, make sure to 584 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,640 share the video as well. Stay tuned. 585 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,760 We're going to talk about Jack Mahler's debating Peter Schiff 586 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,720 during the news segment. So let's check it out. 587 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,200 Here we go. Special shout out to our 588 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,800 sponsor, Compass Mining. They make Bitcoin mining 589 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,720 accessible to everyone from beginners to experienced 590 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,640 investors. 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Remember not your keys, not your 620 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,880 cheese all right everybody, so let's talk about this. 621 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,880 I don't even know why this is still a debate. 622 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,160 I, I don't, I, I can't comprehend it. 623 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,040 This is like what is going on. I don't get it. 624 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,280 I don't understand it. Like speak about it. 625 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,240 Like the cognitive dissonance. That's what, that's what it just 626 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,520 reminds me of. It's like that guy talking in 627 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,800 the podcast earlier and then this. 628 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,480 It's the same. It's like there's like clear 629 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,480 cognitive dissonance here and like there's reality staring you 630 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,960 in the face. But because these things have 631 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,000 been around for so long, like they just, they're like, no, it, 632 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,480 it, it can't be this, this, this magic Internet money, it just, 633 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,160 it's impossible. Like I, I can't comprehend it, 634 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,080 but like I think the data speaks for itself, right? 635 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,360 The BTC per ounce of gold for the audio listeners right back 636 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:38,960 in 2010, it was I think it's 1.41 point 5 million satoshis 637 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,160 per thing. And this just thing, this thing 638 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:46,720 just like like just goes down and to the right now today it's 639 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:51,560 .047 Bitcoin. I think that meant like, dude, 640 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,160 it's crazy. It's crazy. 641 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,440 Is that 1,000,000 Bitcoin per oz? 642 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,200 Anyways, the point is, is that this thing is just gone down, 643 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,000 right? And then as you can see, the 644 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,800 price of Bitcoin just continues to go up. 645 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,640 So I mean, I think the numbers speak for the self, for itself. 646 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,000 I think everything goes to zero against Bitcoin, whether that's 647 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,720 gold, whether that's the dollar, whether that is your, you know, 648 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,800 favorite stock, whether that is real estate like Bitcoin. 649 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,040 This is what Sailor has been saying, Like Bitcoin is the 650 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,920 superior asset, full stop. It's because of its physical 651 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,600 characteristics. It's because of its absolute 652 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,960 scarcity. This isn't even a debate 653 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,400 anymore. So the fact that Schiff is even 654 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,920 doing this, is he doing this for likes? 655 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,120 Is he doing it for like engagement? 656 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,520 Maybe? But anyways, I'll play you guys. 657 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:48,280 The clip this is from. I want to give credit to maybe 658 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,200 this. I think this is David David 659 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,720 Linn's YouTube channel. So shout out to him. 660 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,120 This is his work. We're going to play you a clip 661 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,240 of Jack Mahler's debating Peter Schiff, and then we'll react to 662 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,000 it. Let's check it out. 663 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,600 Is that unfortunately it has to centralized. 664 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,000 The problem is that gold can't achieve transaction finality 665 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,120 without the help of a government or a central party. 666 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,000 Meaning that when gold was operating in a local economy and 667 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,360 you can exchange the physical coins with your direct 668 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,880 counterpart for your butcher, your local tailor, your grocer, 669 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,400 whoever you were exchanging with, gold was great. 670 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,840 When the world needed to scale an economy and the velocity of 671 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,360 money larger than your local economy, gold failed us. 672 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,800 Gold failed us because gold is just a bare physical metal. 673 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,560 It does not carry a monetary network. 674 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,520 What's the gold network? The gold network are human 675 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,120 beings. And when you're trying to 676 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,320 transact in an economy of billions of people globally, you 677 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,880 are reliant on central parties, banks, governments. 678 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,280 And it was for that reason that gold failed. 679 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,840 And it failed in a way that you can't operate a truly free 680 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,200 market when the concentrated supply is with those that you 681 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,800 have to trust. And so that's fundamentally what 682 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,560 Bitcoin solved is that you are able to create a scarce bearer 683 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,640 instrument and a network that can achieve finality in 684 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,000 transactional settlement without the reliance on any government 685 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,000 or party. So that I think is, is 686 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,280 extremely, that's really the core issue of why gold's been 687 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:20,200 demonetized since I think on the points of Bitcoin like needing 688 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,480 more history and it's young. I mean, I think that sounds like 689 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,040 a personal problem for you, Peter, like that. 690 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,160 I think you need more evidence and that's you being slow to 691 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,640 recognize reality, right? Like if you were to need the 692 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,240 Internet to prove that e-mail is better than traditional mail, 693 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,960 you would just be late to adopting better technology. 694 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,600 That doesn't sound like that's not a point or a criticism 695 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,200 against the properties that Bitcoin has. 696 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,880 That's your own personal bias of how much proof that you need to 697 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,560 adopt something that might be superior. 698 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,040 So that is that's on on you. And the last thing I will say on 699 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,760 bitcoins, volatility, you know, for the listeners, I really 700 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,560 think it's an important fundamental point. 701 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,040 Risk is not the same thing as volatility. 702 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,280 Risk refers to the probability of a permanent loss of capital. 703 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,120 Risk would be that the Bitcoin code or the Bitcoin network 704 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,280 outright fails. You can make an argument that 705 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,160 Bitcoin's actually the least risky asset ever because it's 706 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,720 the only asset you can store in your head. 707 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,760 Bitcoin is, however, extremely volatile and I would admit that, 708 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,160 but that's that's a pro. Volatility is the frequency or 709 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,400 like the magnitude of which the price fluctuates. 710 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,560 And so Bitcoin, hold on, hold on. 711 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,880 I'm almost done. I promise. 30 seconds. 712 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,640 The the point here, David. Is that Bitcoin has to be 713 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:34,160 volatile because the asset is inelastic, because the asset 714 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,760 cannot. With more demand in Bitcoin, you 715 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,480 cannot make more supply. More demand has to fundamentally 716 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,680 be a higher price, whereas for all other commodities and all 717 00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:46,680 other assets with more supply, you can make more demand, which 718 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,720 makes them less volatile, but also makes them, I mean, I just 719 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:52,280 went over the returns and the data, which also makes the 720 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,720 returns not nearly what we're seeing in Bitcoin. 721 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,120 So Bitcoin volatility is baked into the system because it's a 722 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,960 fixed asset. So as it becomes adopted as a 723 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:02,320 money globally, volatility's implied. 724 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,160 But volatility's also the only reason that Bitcoin's averaging 725 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,800 100% year over year growth over the last decade and gold's at 726 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,040 2%. So, and volatility's not risk 727 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,760 because Bitcoin's volatile, it doesn't make it risky, it makes 728 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,960 it an opportunity well. So first of all I I want to give 729 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,000 a shout out to the original creator. 730 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,040 The real problem with gold? Pause that David Lynn, this is 731 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,360 if you guys want to check out the entire show, go take out, go 732 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:32,160 check out David Lynn's a podcast or or YouTube channel. 733 00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:35,360 Great content creator and also awesome for putting together 734 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,880 that debate. So I want to give credit where 735 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,800 credit is due, but Jack Mahler's just completely like 736 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,560 annihilating, you know, Peter Schiff, like coming with the 737 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,440 facts to the point where Peter Schiff was like he started 738 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,280 laughing at one point because he was like what? 739 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,880 Like I don't even know what to say to this. 740 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,480 And this is what we were talking about in terms of gold's 741 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,880 physical characteristics enabled it for it to be Co opted. 742 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,640 And this is the problem that Bitcoin fixes because you can 743 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,720 send Bitcoin instantaneously to anyone anywhere around the 744 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,920 world. It's even more scarce than gold. 745 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,760 It allows a custody in a very efficient manner that actually 746 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,920 benefits the individual over the over a third party. 747 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,320 And if you connect this with the video that we played for you 748 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:33,240 guys during the numbers segment, this is such a transformative 749 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:37,960 technology that it is, I would say, and this is very 750 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,720 controversial when I say this to Bitcoiners because Bitcoiners 751 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:43,120 are like, no, Nico, leave politics out of this. 752 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,600 But my response to that was my response to that is the 753 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,920 separation of money and state by definition is political right. 754 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,000 Like, that is political, right? What is the definition of 755 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,960 politics? The definition of politics is 756 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,520 the organization of power. And all of a sudden, now that 757 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:08,240 you have the balance of power shifting from the state back to 758 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,680 the individual, of course there's going to be a little bit 759 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,200 of strife there. That's why you're seeing 760 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,520 elements of the government. It's not monolithic, but 761 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,200 elements of certain governments react in such a hostile manner 762 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,840 towards Bitcoin because they see it as a fundamental threat. 763 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,960 Just as the gentleman in the first video pointed out. 764 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,240 He's like, he, he saw it. He he saw, he saw the writing on 765 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:35,720 the wall. He's like, it's so instrumental 766 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,800 to the state. Like I can't even comprehend a 767 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,120 world where money and state aren't aren't, you know, 768 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,960 connected because it changes everything. 769 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,960 Like think about this for a second, right? 770 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,320 It's specifically in the United States. 771 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,320 If you live in Florida and if you live in California or you 772 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,760 live in Florida and someone, it lives in North Dakota. 773 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,000 I'm sure the people in North Dakota are dope and they're 774 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,120 awesome, but what's keeping everyone together? 775 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,760 Why can't Florida be its own thing, its own state? 776 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,280 Why can't it just function its own? 777 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,000 It's the dollar. What's keeping the federal 778 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,160 government together? It's the dollar, right? 779 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,200 So what happens if all of a sudden, five, 1015% of the 780 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:28,080 population are no longer using the dollar because it's an 781 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,360 inferior currency? What happens? 782 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,000 Because to give the gold bugs credit where credit is due, they 783 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,120 correctly identified the problem, but they didn't choose 784 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,080 the right tool. And the right tool is Bitcoin. 785 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,080 I mean, I think it was Hayek, that famous video of him going 786 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,600 viral, right? Which is we need to find a 787 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,120 clever roundabout way to get money out of the hands of 788 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,200 government. And Satoshi found that clever 789 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,720 roundabout way and it can only be achieved via 790 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,400 decentralization. And this is where gold failed. 791 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,560 It was Co opted because of its physical characteristics limited 792 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,160 its ability for individuals on a massive scale to take self 793 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,720 custody of it and also it limits them from them being able to 794 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,880 transact with it in a global manner. 795 00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:27,840 So it it like it created the centralization in a way, and 796 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,480 you're kind of seeing it with the Coinbase custody of all 797 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,120 these ETFs. But still the vast majority of 798 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,880 Bitcoin is still held by individuals, right? 799 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,120 So yeah, will Bitcoin survive that final boss test? 800 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,120 I think it will in my personal opinion, but that test is still 801 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,520 yet to come. I think we're in the separation 802 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,040 of information and state kind of battle right now. 803 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,840 That's what you're seeing it on the Internet. 804 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,440 You're seeing rumble get the platform to just got banned in 805 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,880 Brazil and you're seeing a pressure on Elon and you're 806 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,240 seeing the rise of nostril and what I think the battle next 807 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:10,400 coming like it it it's you're seeing the first innings of it 808 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,640 with Operation Choke .2 point O is the separation of money and 809 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,960 state. And I in my personal opinion, I 810 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,880 think that fight is going to be a lot nastier because as that 811 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,560 guy pointed out in that first video, he's got it. 812 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,680 He's got it himself. He's like it is so important. 813 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,600 Like his eyes even popped out. He's like, it is so important. 814 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,880 I would say, yeah, it is extremely important for how the 815 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,400 government is run today in a very inefficient manner for them 816 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,800 to retain their monopoly on money. 817 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,480 But I don't I don't think they'll I don't think they 818 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,800 really have a choice in this. I think, you know, Bitcoin is an 819 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,320 idea more than anything. And I think as more and more 820 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,040 people wake up to the fact that money can exist without 821 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,640 inflation baked in, I think that's a one way door. 822 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,280 You don't go back from that. That's my personal opinion. 823 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,760 I'm going to pass it on to Carr. Carr, what are your what are 824 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,840 your thoughts on Jack Mahler's Absolutely ballin? 825 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,280 Yeah, Jack's a goat. I mean, he literally explained 826 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,760 to Peter Schiff why Bitcoin works fundamentally for the rest 827 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,160 of the world. Maybe it doesn't work for for 828 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,880 Peter, but it does work for everybody else. 829 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,480 I think you hit on a couple things there, Nico. 830 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,240 I want to touch on. I think the CBDC is their way of 831 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,520 keeping people still locked in because it's another it it you 832 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,240 can obfuscate another layer on top of the already debase 833 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:34,200 currency. So I think that's why they're so 834 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,360 adamant about rolling through CBDCSI think another thing that 835 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,360 you touched on too as well is about the decentralization 836 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,640 aspects of it. I think the incentives over time 837 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,800 will just prove that Bitcoin will win. 838 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,160 And, and I think, yeah, I think it's definitely gonna get nasty. 839 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,240 And I think they're definitely gonna start pulling more content 840 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:54,880 to kind of kind of quiet down how you do the how you have a 841 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,880 Bitcoin wallet, how you have a Lightning wallet, how you do 842 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,080 these kind of things. But I do think over time, the 843 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,800 incentives will just outweigh the need to want to have a 844 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,280 CBBCI. Think if somebody came in 845 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,080 tomorrow and said car, do you want Bitcoin or dollars? 846 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,160 I would say Bitcoin. And I think over time that will 847 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,640 just prove to be true for everybody. 848 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,240 A. 100% I completely agree with that Opti. 849 00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:15,480 What's your take on all this, brother? 850 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,160 Well, I am once again here saying, why do we listen to 851 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,560 Peter Schiff? Why do we give him any air time? 852 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,440 I am personally on the camp that Peter Schiff is just playing a 853 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,280 role. It's his job to shield gold. 854 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:36,320 It's his business to try to say that gold is, you know, the 855 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,800 money of the future or whatever his recent narratives are. 856 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,040 But Jack Mahler's, kudos to him for for actually taking on that 857 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,480 debate and thoroughly destroying Peter Schiff. 858 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,960 But again, and I think Peter Schiff sees the writing on the 859 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,120 wall, it, it kind of reminds me of that one saying it's hard to 860 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,720 convince a guy of the truth when it's his job to know the lie or 861 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,360 whatever it is. You guys, you guys have heard it 862 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,480 1000 times on this show. So this is what I see when I see 863 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,240 Peter Schiff. It's like Schodenfrob. 864 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,920 He's it's like literally or what's it? 865 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:11,080 He's he, he's like he's live action role-playing WWF 866 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,160 wrestling. Every time I see him talking 867 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,160 about gold, you can tell that he, at least personally, it 868 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,280 seems to me that he agrees with a lot of the stuff we say, 869 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,120 especially when you consider that his I, I forget if it's his 870 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,200 father or his grandfather, but he's come from a long line of 871 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,400 libertarian thinkers. And so you'd have to venture to 872 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,080 guess that he really does understand a lot of the stuff 873 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,040 that US bitcoiners talk about. But it's his job to shield big 874 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,320 or sorry, it's his job to shield gold. 875 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,320 Hence why he always goes out and he parades himself for the 876 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,480 boomers out there that want to hold something. 877 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,680 And it's like, no, guys, trust me, gold is the money of the 878 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,720 future and we're going to go back to a gold standard with 879 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:53,160 that. Wait. 880 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,640 Like completely ignoring the fact that personally, in my 881 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,800 opinion, and maybe you guys can push, push back against this 882 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,720 like gold failed as a monetary medium. 883 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:05,520 Yes, it's still a store of value. 884 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,880 Yes, it's still a hedge against dollar inflation, but it it's 885 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,080 failed as money in the digital world. 886 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,240 And This is why Bitcoin is a 10X improvement on gold is because 887 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:19,360 it is a digital world. We live in a world that is never 888 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,320 going to go back to a time that there is no Internet. 889 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,760 Hence why we as Bitcoiners believe that there needs to be 890 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,720 an Internet native money, which is Bitcoin. 891 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:33,080 And as much as I personally do like gold, not so much as a 892 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,440 monetary medium, but I just think it's pretty. 893 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,160 And I I've joked before on the show that I can't wait till gold 894 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,680 gets demonetized and I have a gaudy house full of. 895 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,240 I like, I'm gonna keep saying this like I love gold, Like I 896 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,240 have a gold. Chain, you know you. 897 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:50,320 Know those like those gold? I have a silver one. 898 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:55,160 You know, those like gold, those gold like those like gold bars, 899 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,640 like they feel really good to hold in your hand like I'm not. 900 00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,440 Yeah, sure. I I agree with that. 901 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,960 Like I love gold, like gold is dope, but. 902 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,440 But can you? Can you send? 903 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,080 That gold bar through the Internet. 904 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,560 No, no, but this is what I'm trying to tell you is that like 905 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,480 gold is dope. Like I'm not like gold is dope, 906 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,720 but is it better than Bitcoin? No Would I rather hold Bitcoin? 907 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,440 Absolutely. 1,000,000% every single time, But I'm not like 908 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,640 it. It's still dope though. 909 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,360 Like, it's still cool. I like, I like, I like the feet. 910 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,320 I like holding it. Like what you said, Opti's gonna 911 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,520 just gold out his entire house. And I saw the like gold, but 912 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,920 it's not my money, you know? It's dope. 913 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,920 I'm not shitting on it. And, and also I want to give a 914 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,400 shout out to the gold bugs because like they did so much 915 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,600 work and so much heavy lifting identifying all of these 916 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,640 problems and it and it, and it just like it's a little bit 917 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,760 tragic in a way that it's like they got everything right, but 918 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,480 they just didn't have the right tool like they were before their 919 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,880 time, you know, and it, it takes a lot of humility for you to 920 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,160 double down on something for like 20-30 years and then all of 921 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,040 a sudden something comes along which is the correct tool that 922 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,040 you need to use in order to achieve the outcome that you 923 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,680 wanted. But it's very hard. 924 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,680 Like that's a, you know, I love who, who, I, I forget who 925 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,240 originally says that, but Bitcoin is a humility test. 926 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,280 Like it, it is a humility test and everyone gets Bitcoin at the 927 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,360 price they deserve. So it, it's a little bit 928 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,920 difficult. Like I, I, I, I, I empathize 929 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,560 with it a little bit, but at the same time, like Peter, Peter 930 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,000 Schiff, bro, like it's been 10 effing years, dude. 931 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,760 Like it's been 10 years and you're just going to continue to 932 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,320 get humbled, bro. Like, like just, it's OK to 933 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,040 admit it. Like we, we will welcome you in, 934 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:42,840 you know, but some people have big egos and it's very 935 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,960 difficult. And yeah, and, and last two, two 936 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:52,040 points last year very publicly, Peter Schiff got debanked and 937 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,800 all of Bitcoiners were like, see, This is why you need 938 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,080 Bitcoin. And one of the one of the big 939 00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,040 things that you constantly hear Peter Schiff say is no one's 940 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,560 accepting Bitcoin because it's not money. 941 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,160 Yet he literally accepts Bitcoin and shit coins on his website 942 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,120 for gold. And it's just, there's just way 943 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,120 too much hypocrisy coming out of Peter Schiff for me, obviously 944 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,800 not to think that he understands what is going on, especially 945 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,200 when we had the the theater art of him and his son kind of going 946 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,440 back and forth on Twitter where he was pro Bitcoin. 947 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,720 He's anti Bitcoin. And it it was, it's 948 00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:28,760 entertaining. But I'm convinced he understands 949 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,720 Bitcoin. He probably holds some Bitcoin. 950 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,800 It's just his job to show gold. And yeah, like, gold's pretty. 951 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,360 I love it, but it's not my money. 952 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,760 It's just not going to be the money of the future. 953 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:42,040 And gold's just impractical in the digital world for most 954 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,280 people. Yes, central banks are acquiring 955 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,560 as much gold as possible, but the real game is acquiring as 956 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,160 much Bitcoin as possible. And all of us young people are 957 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,400 like, hey, have fun with your pretty rocks, boomer like. 958 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,360 I got this. Digital currency called Bitcoin? 959 00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:01,160 It's better. 100% also shout out to ZAP dot stream. 960 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,720 There's 140 of you guys watching watching us live. 961 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,720 So shout out to you guys. That's that's pretty big for 962 00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:12,400 alternative platforms for us. So that's pretty huge. 963 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:17,080 Damn, it's a shout out shout. Out to the 100 of you guys 964 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,000 watching us on Rumble. Shout out to almost 300 of you 965 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,480 guys watching us on YouTube, and shout out to the 951 of you guys 966 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,920 watching us on Twitter. Make sure to smash that like 967 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,600 button if you guys are enjoying the show. 968 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:34,400 I'm quite surprised with ZAP dot stream man hitting out the gate. 969 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,400 Strong Opti and I used to go over the moon breaking over on 970 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,320 let's on a live show. We would freak the F out. 971 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,360 The fact that we hit it the first day, Man that that that's 972 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,640 awesome. So shout out to all you guys. 973 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,720 Thank you so much for the support and thank you for 974 00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:53,560 bearing with us because I've been quietly working in the 975 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,080 background trying to figure out all this stuff out. 976 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,720 I'm super glad that we got it working today. 977 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:02,120 And of course, we'll be back on Noster tomorrow as well. 978 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,920 And hopefully what we're trying to do essentially is being able 979 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:11,520 to upload the live shows natively on to like these 980 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,920 platforms, but it's a little bit complicated. 981 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,560 We're figuring it out. Bear with us for the moment, 982 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,560 we're going to continue on ZAP dot stream. 983 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,680 Anyways, guys, stay tuned because we still got the culture 984 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,000 segment coming up. We're going to talk to car and 985 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,440 we're going to talk about his baby Pleb Lab. 986 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,960 What is Pleblab? What are they doing over there? 987 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,080 And let's check it out. Here we go. 988 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,480 Alright everybody, I do want to give a very special shout out to 989 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,120 our sponsor, the Orange pull app. 990 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:54,480 Stack friends who stack sats join the 12,233 bitcoiners that 991 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,560 are currently on the application. 992 00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,120 To get started, all you got to do is check out the QR code on 993 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,680 your screen or check the link in the video description or podcast 994 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,840 description and join the 12,233 Bitcoiners that are currently on 995 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,200 the app. The Orange Pull app is your 996 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,560 number one resource for Bitcoin only events. 997 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,800 Also, if you're traveling, you're on the go. 998 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,960 Perhaps you've lived in your city for a while. 999 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,720 You don't know any Bitcoiners around you. 1000 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,240 You pull up the Orange Pull app and it will literally tell you 1001 00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:27,120 geographically the Bitcoiners around you and it'll allow you 1002 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,040 to send them Adm directly. So you can build up the amount 1003 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,520 of Bitcoiners that you know those, you know those circular 1004 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,200 economies. That's what it's all about, 1005 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,480 building that Bitcoin community. It's also one of the best ways 1006 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,200 to reach me directly. Don't really answer random 1007 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,520 Twitter DMS these days or emails, but on the Orange Pull 1008 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,360 app, I make sure to get back to every single one of you guys 1009 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,080 every week or so. The messages are piling up. 1010 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,640 So forgive me, it takes me a while, but I will get back to 1011 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,200 you. Download the Orange Pull app 1012 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,480 today. Scan the QR code on your screen 1013 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,040 or check the link in the video description. 1014 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:06,080 Anyways, I'm so happy that we got car in the house today. 1015 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,800 He was pitching us on Austin earlier. 1016 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,240 I'm just going to reveal a little bit of a, you know, a 1017 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,640 little bit of a backroom talk, green room, green room talk. 1018 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,840 We're currently divided a little bit right now between Nashville 1019 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,120 and Austin. Let us know. 1020 00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,640 I think you ought to get people a little more context here, 1021 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,800 Nico. OK, let's do it. 1022 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,120 OK. So guys, I guess breaking on the 1023 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,560 show, we do plan on eventually. No, no, don't. 1024 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,240 Don't, don't say that. Don't give that much detail, but 1025 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,160 give enough detail. Where should simply Bitcoin 1026 00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,880 move? Right. 1027 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:56,040 Nashville or Austin? The Nashville or Austin and car 1028 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,360 was being really nice and now like I'm like, I'm in the 1029 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,360 Nashville camp. You know, I'm a member of 1030 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,560 Bitcoin park. I think I'm member 22 and car is 1031 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,360 making me feel really good about Austin now. 1032 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,520 And now I'm like, you know, Austin, the real estate's a 1033 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,800 little bit cheaper over there, but get bigger house, you know, 1034 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,960 maybe maybe go over there. So kind of on the fence. 1035 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,480 Let us know down in the comments. 1036 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,640 Actually, Opti, let's set up a YouTube poll right now. 1037 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,680 While we talk about that, where should simply Bitcoin move? 1038 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:27,240 We're going to set up the the poll on YouTube right now and on 1039 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,800 Rumble and Noster and Twitter. Just put it in the chat and 1040 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,080 we'll see it in the chat box. And then I'm just I'm just 1041 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,840 curious to to hear what everyone has to say. 1042 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,640 Everyone is saying Austin, Austin, Austin Nashville, 1043 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,080 Austin. Austin is unquestionably the 1044 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,520 Bitcoin capital of the world. The way that I see it is Austin 1045 00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,320 is the Bitcoin energy capital of the world. 1046 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,840 Nashville's the Bitcoin media capital of the world. 1047 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,920 That's the way I'm seeing it. I might be wrong there, but 1048 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,640 everyone's saying Nashville, Austin, Phil, see your comment, 1049 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,560 bro Savage. No, it doesn't matter. 1050 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,840 Dude. There, there's Bro I, I don't 1051 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:03,680 know. Green Bay, All right. 1052 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,240 All. Right. 1053 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,080 Anyways, anyways, what what what what what? 1054 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,280 Do you access? Anyway, let's get to it. 1055 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,680 I'm going to pass it on to Opti. Yeah, car. 1056 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,400 Let's again, for now that everyone's piled in, we have a 1057 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,560 bunch of people watching the show live. 1058 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,400 Let's rehash TLDR Elevator Pit to what is Pleblab, what is the 1059 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,440 goal, and then we'll talk about some of the cool stuff. 1060 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:26,480 You no, wait, wait, wait a second. 1061 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:27,800 Hold on a second. Is this real? 1062 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,520 There's 220 people watching. I have no idea. 1063 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,920 It's crazy. That's nuts. 1064 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,600 OK, anyway, sorry to interrupt. OK, alright, Carl, again, what 1065 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,800 is Pleblab? What are you working on down 1066 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,960 there and what's the goal? And then I I do have your 1067 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,200 website up here so we can talk about some of the projects that 1068 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,160 came out. But first, let's do a TLDR 1069 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,880 elevator pitch on Pleblab. Yeah. 1070 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,640 So we've been around since 2021. It's interesting that you guys 1071 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,800 bring up nostril. We had a super test net back in 1072 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,720 the day working on some nostril stuff in late 21. 1073 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,640 So a lot of what you see like that'll be coming out in a year 1074 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,240 or two usually starts in around Pleblab, you know, by osmosis. 1075 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,160 We have a lot of builders right now in the lab. 1076 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,560 So we're at hackerspace here in Austin, TX here in the financial 1077 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,360 district, just like 2 blocks away from the Bitcoin Commons. 1078 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,920 A lot of people are working on the the cutting edge of like 1079 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,720 Bitcoin stuff. So we have projects like 1080 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,240 Cascader who are working on AI, Bitcoin adjacent technology 1081 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,960 stuff. We have a jippy who's working on 1082 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,360 like a new gamification type of Bitcoin education app. 1083 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,200 We have a pleb devs down there who's working on re 1084 01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,840 reintroducing a way to give devs they need the need that they 1085 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,800 need to build on Bitcoin. We have base 58, which is Nifty 1086 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,680 9 and she's working on all sorts of core protocol, lightning and 1087 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,360 Bitcoin stuff. We have Keon Stacker news he's 1088 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,680 working on creating the next Reddit using Lightning. 1089 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,800 And then we have people like Topher and and Nick who are, are 1090 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,800 just magnificent engineers in their own right, building on 1091 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,960 Bitcoin. So that's what we do here. 1092 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,720 We, we, we do our best to kind of shield these builders away 1093 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,520 from a lot of the Fiat stuff that we see in, in our, in our 1094 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,800 world. And, and I do my best to try to 1095 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,200 find new builders and bring them to club labs to so that they can 1096 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,720 work with them and, and really get their projects to success. 1097 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,240 That's. Love it, man. 1098 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,640 Love it. Yeah, I was there in hip lock. 1099 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,160 Boom. I think you guys threw like a 1100 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,760 after party and I showed up and I was like, oh this is super 1101 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,720 cool. But anyways, anyways, can people 1102 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,760 like what's the process of people joining Pleblab? 1103 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,440 I know you guys have a space. You guys work on hackathons. 1104 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,080 Actually a lot of really great projects have came out of 1105 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,600 Pleblab, so that's just super awesome to see. 1106 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,520 But what's the process? Can anyone show up? 1107 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,560 Like how? How does someone become a part 1108 01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,480 of Pleblab? Yeah, I mean, we could use all 1109 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,560 the support and I, I appreciate you, Nico and Opti for giving me 1110 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,360 the opportunity to come on the show and talk about it 'cause 1111 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,520 it's very hard to get our name out there. 1112 01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:51,160 We're, we're really hardcore Bitcoin ethos here at in Austin. 1113 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,600 And so if you scroll to the bottom Opti, there's a spot down 1114 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,480 there where they can join with the online builder pass. 1115 01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,320 That $200 a month helps us a lot, keeps the lights on. 1116 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,360 We, we also have that other button right there. 1117 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,520 It's the $400.00 a month. That's what we charge for our 1118 01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,520 desk here and you can apply there. 1119 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,160 We used to have it open to everybody, but now we kind of 1120 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,080 have like a, a vetting thing that kind of goes through 1121 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,800 everybody making sure that it all passes the smell test and 1122 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,600 stuff like that. But for the most part, if you 1123 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,440 just want to drop in any time, get that start, get that builder 1124 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,280 pass, you can join our, you can join our chat and then you get 1125 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,880 access to the lab. That one's been selling pretty 1126 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,240 good this this cycle. So that's the one that we've 1127 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,360 been pushing. But yeah, that's that's pretty 1128 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,360 much the process to it. Let's go. 1129 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,640 Awesome bro. Okay, let's talk about some of 1130 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,040 these hackathons. You were telling me you have a 1131 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:40,160 few hackathons in the books and actually let's just talk about 1132 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,200 the ethos of an everyday hackathon that you guys have at 1133 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,320 Pleb Lab. So maybe start with the ethos 1134 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,920 and then we can talk about the couple events that you are about 1135 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,840 to put on for different hackathons regarding or relating 1136 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,880 to Pleb Lab. Yeah, so we're, we're really 1137 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,960 engrossed in the Bitcoin builder community here at Pub Lab. 1138 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:02,720 So a lot of people will come here, whether it's like a core 1139 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,520 lightning team or you know, anybody that nifty neigh brings 1140 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,640 in to, you know, work on some of this protocol stuff. 1141 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,640 We open our doors to people outside of that too as well, 1142 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,440 whether they're building on lightning and they're visiting 1143 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,640 from like Japan or from other countries. 1144 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,440 And we allow them to come in here and work on their projects. 1145 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,040 And so there's always a sort of hacking or sort of like a hive 1146 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,680 mind effect of building going on here in the lab and we just do 1147 01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,880 our best, but just to be good stewards of that and encourage 1148 01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,760 them and give them all the the things that they need, right? 1149 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,240 Like you'd be surprised, just like a good pat on the back or 1150 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,880 keep going. And you know, some Topo Chico's 1151 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,680 like goes a long way. It it's really is that kind of 1152 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,000 grind because a lot of what they do in the ecosystem, it goes 1153 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,800 very thin. It doesn't they don't really get 1154 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,240 awards or anything like that. There's no kind of like money 1155 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,680 doing it. They're really doing it for the 1156 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,840 for the Bitcoin ethos and they're doing it to to really 1157 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,680 decentralize the world using Bitcoin. 1158 01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,520 And, and that's what I really love about the people that I 1159 01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,560 work around. Love it man Yeah, that's that's 1160 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,160 great to hear. I mean, we we've been doing our 1161 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,920 best to try to get as many developers on the show because 1162 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,400 you guys, the devs out there, the ones actually building stuff 1163 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:14,080 are the unsung heroes. And it doesn't have the glory of 1164 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,560 maybe being, you know, a well paid miner or a, a talking head 1165 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,320 influencer, but you guys are the the one actually building stuff. 1166 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,520 And I'm always like, the builders are the ones that 1167 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,440 really matter. Nico and I just talk about 1168 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,000 Bitcoin stuff. I'm always more impressed by 1169 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,400 people building cool stuff because that's what we really 1170 01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,280 need is people building out the the tools that we need to 1171 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,240 actually usher in the, the Bitcoin world that we want to 1172 01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,160 see. And so kudos to you and everyone 1173 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,480 else. But let's talk about some of 1174 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,520 these hackathons because you're telling me you're going to have 1175 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,360 a start up day. You have a hackathon coming on 1176 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,640 up soon. So let's talk about those 1177 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:50,400 details. Yeah. 1178 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,920 So if you scroll at the very top, there's a start up date 1179 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,400 button at the very top. We're going to be in Mexico City 1180 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,400 next week. There'll be some new projects 1181 01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,800 coming out of there, some on Noster, some on Bitcoin, some on 1182 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,280 Lightning. If you scroll a little down Opti 1183 01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,160 there, it shows all the people that are coming. 1184 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,000 But yeah, we're going to have presentations, talks. 1185 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,680 Johnny Ochoa, who's a local chef here in town will be there. 1186 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,440 We'll be doing some, you know, some a keynote from Francisco 1187 01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,840 who who's doing a Bitcoin only exchange in Mexico and Latin 1188 01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,640 America. So it's going to be a ton of 1189 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,040 fun. Highly recommend if anybody's in 1190 01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,480 the area or even if you're just like in South Texas, just take 1191 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:27,960 the two hour flight and get down there. 1192 01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,240 This is going to be the first time there there ever is like 1193 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:35,160 this big Bitcoin builder event in in Mexico. 1194 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,480 So this is big for them. Not not too many Bitcoiners ever 1195 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,480 come down there, but we're hoping that we can just start a 1196 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,560 trend. That's dope bro. 1197 01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,400 Yeah. And then we have we have tab 1198 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,240 comp. So tab comp is happening in 1199 01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:51,760 Atlanta in October. We're we'll be doing a hackathon 1200 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,080 there with our friends at Zebedee. 1201 01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,880 So Andre and Santos and crew will be, you know, have some 1202 01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,440 prizes there and people will be able to build and hack and and 1203 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,320 do all those sorts of things. But the other thing I wanted to 1204 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,480 bring up was the pleb TV stuff. I don't know if we can talk 1205 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,000 about that. Yeah, yeah, I got it here. 1206 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,040 I'll pull it up right here. So this one, we're still in 1207 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,200 beta, like it's still early. So we're we're we're doing this 1208 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,960 kind of you kind of have to sign up because we're still testing a 1209 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,480 lot of things. But what I will say about this 1210 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:22,840 is we're trying to figure out a way to decentralize the kind of 1211 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,120 video situation that we find ourselves in as, as creators. 1212 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,720 So I know you guys have received a sort of a block or removal 1213 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,960 from YouTube from time to time. And we're trying to get around 1214 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,240 that. I, I think they're, they were 1215 01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,440 coming into this kind of place where everything's centralizing 1216 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,480 and they're locking the gates behind us. 1217 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,080 And so with the with the advent of like AI and some of these 1218 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,720 other centralized entities that they kind of grow and spawn from 1219 01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,240 this, I think what we're gonna start seeing is a little bit 1220 01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:53,000 more of a gatekeeping and a little bit more of a censorship. 1221 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,160 And that's just why like protocols like Nasser are so 1222 01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,920 important and Bitcoin is because with these two independent 1223 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:04,080 tools, we'll be able to, you know, directly incentivize 1224 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,480 content creators to come to our, to our side, basically the, the, 1225 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,200 the, the, the right side of history. 1226 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,240 And so right now pub TV still is early days, but our hope to get 1227 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,480 to, to do is to get it to a point to where the average 1228 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:22,200 person who's, you know, uploading to Rumble or X or, or 1229 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,120 Twitter or whatever, or YouTube will automatically get a pub TV 1230 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,600 account. And then from there, they'll be 1231 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,040 able to earn Bitcoin doing it. So we want to make it as 1232 01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,880 frictionless as possible. It's a really high bar, but we 1233 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,440 think that we can get there over time. 1234 01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,040 And, and right now we're kind of closely building towards that. 1235 01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,520 Right now we have a, we have like 258 titles on there and 1236 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,480 stuff like that. And we're testing on the, on the 1237 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,600 Prism side where you can send splits amongst people. 1238 01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:45,960 So we're still testing all that stuff. 1239 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,760 And then hopefully early next year, we'll be able to 1240 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:52,760 decentralize a lot of that video onto onto alternative server 1241 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,640 servers, you know, all over the world. 1242 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,280 That's tight. That's awesome. 1243 01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,040 And and I think that's incredibly important. 1244 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,880 We just went through our first kind of deplatforming thing, 1245 01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:07,200 which I think was inevitable. So it just like that was a very 1246 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:12,080 big wake up call to me personally as someone who runs a 1247 01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,440 Bitcoin media company, because I was like, holy shit. 1248 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:22,600 And I, I remember I called in so many favours that that week I 1249 01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,680 went crazy on Twitter. We got published in Forbes, Zero 1250 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,080 Hedge. I made so many calls and at one 1251 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:33,960 point I even I tagged Jack on, on Noster. 1252 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,560 I said, Jack, do you know anyone on YouTube? 1253 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,880 Could you help out? And he just, he was just 1254 01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,520 probably like, no. And then what I didn't realize 1255 01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,319 is that he no, no, he was like, he was like nice about it. 1256 01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:47,200 He's like, no, I said, whatever. But what I didn't realize is 1257 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:53,240 that he just had a talk with Odell in in Riga at like a 1258 01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:58,160 Noster conference talking about the importance of protocols over 1259 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,319 social media. And I'm asking for help for a 1260 01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:04,800 centralized platform. And I'm like, and I'm like, OK, 1261 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,560 that was a wake up call. So then I started going down the 1262 01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,640 rabbit hole and I and I do want to give credit where credit is 1263 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,920 due. So a shout out to lightning 1264 01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,359 goats. I'm sorry if I pronounced this 1265 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:21,359 incorrectly. Keyron Darth Coin for really 1266 01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:24,520 helping me, Walter America for helping me as well. 1267 01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:31,160 And the CEO of Primal as well. I am a butcher that how do you 1268 01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,520 pronounce his name? You know what I'm talking about, 1269 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:34,840 car. Yeah, his. 1270 01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,200 I forget his name. It's so weird. 1271 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,560 Mahjan Mahjan, shout out to him as well. 1272 01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,439 He helped out tremendously. So I make media guys. 1273 01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,479 I'm not a tech guy, but I was able to figure it out. 1274 01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,720 It reminds me of the first days of me getting into Bitcoin and 1275 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,560 learning about self custody and going down like that rabbit hole 1276 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,280 because I understand things on a conceptual basis very well. 1277 01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,680 On technical levels, I don't, but you really just need to 1278 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,440 understand things conceptually and just going down the nostril 1279 01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:08,360 rabbit hole reminds me of the first days of me going down the 1280 01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:10,600 Bitcoin rabbit hole. Like there is so much 1281 01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,600 opportunity here and what you guys are building over at pleb 1282 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,680 lab, pleb TV, further the centralization. 1283 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,160 I think it's this is so important, like this is so 1284 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,320 important because what I was talking about earlier, the 1285 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,880 moment in history that we're in right now, where we're like in 1286 01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,360 the thick of the disintermediation of information 1287 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,400 in the state, right? And you see them fighting back 1288 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,080 like Rumble getting banned in Brazil, Rumble getting banned in 1289 01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:41,000 France, the CEO fleeing the fleeing Europe, the Telegram CEO 1290 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,280 getting arrested, RFK junior giving historic speech, simply 1291 01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,120 Bitcoin being the platform. Like, I love that we, we have 1292 01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,160 some type of, you know, we're small compared to all these 1293 01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,000 entities and people, but you know, I'm, I'm glad that like 1294 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,440 in, in the historical context, we're somewhat in there and. 1295 01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:05,160 Distributive information, Nico. And it's it's so so it's it's 1296 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,880 like, you know, it's it's just crazy seeing all this. 1297 01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:13,800 And I can't believe this guy's 221 that we topped out at 221 1298 01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,760 live viewers on ZAP dot stream the first day that we streamed 1299 01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,280 to Noster via ZAP dot stream like incredible. 1300 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,200 Blows my mind. So shout out to all the 1301 01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:28,560 alternative platforms, Noster ZAP dot stream, Rumble X. 1302 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:33,320 Of course, we love YouTube, but you know, there's things on 1303 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,400 YouTube that that are not exactly YouTube friendly. 1304 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:41,080 We respect that it's a platform. They can make the rules, but and 1305 01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:42,800 we're grateful for them for having us. 1306 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,200 But but yeah, these alternative platforms, man, alternative 1307 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:50,080 platforms and protocols. I am I'm very optimistic about 1308 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,720 so we don't have to put all our eggs in one basket. 1309 01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,920 And you know, this is something like pleb TVI don't understand. 1310 01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,840 I don't understand how it works exactly Carr, but is this 1311 01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:04,360 something that we could post simply Bitcoin videos to or? 1312 01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:07,880 ITMP stream. Yeah, forgive me for my 1313 01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,640 ignorance or stupid questions. Like I said, I'm a media guy, 1314 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,600 not a tech guy. No, no, no. 1315 01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,720 I think what you said earlier about about the information, I 1316 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,280 think that's the that's the part that they want to stop you from 1317 01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,240 from sharing Nico. So you're doing the Lords work 1318 01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:23,600 there. So just keep doing that. 1319 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,760 But I think for the builder side, we need to make it easier 1320 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,760 for you, the content creator to not have to think about this 1321 01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,560 stuff, right? Like when it comes to lightning, 1322 01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,280 like you don't have to think about a lot of the things when 1323 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,160 you're using lightning, you just send a payment. 1324 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,280 Same thing with Bitcoin. So on our side, we need to get 1325 01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,280 better at reducing that friction, those pain points. 1326 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,040 And I think like you said earlier, you got into the 1327 01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,560 nostril thing and you found ZAP dot Stream. 1328 01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,000 I think ZAP dot stream is the best platform to start with 1329 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,240 right now. I think over time we'll we'll 1330 01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,800 start unlocking some of the gates on our stuff because it's 1331 01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,400 still early. We were just trying to do a lot 1332 01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,040 of test stuff, but over time what will happen is you'll be 1333 01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,160 able to post just to YouTube and it'll automatically go to club 1334 01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,440 TV and you'll be earning zaps here and you won't have to 1335 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:01,480 change anything. And that's where we really need 1336 01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:02,960 to get it to. It's going to take a lot of 1337 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,320 time, but yeah, we have a lot of people focused on trying to get 1338 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,080 that across the goal line, hopefully before the end of next 1339 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,200 year. Yeah, I'm, I'm incredibly 1340 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,440 excited, man. It's it's really awesome what 1341 01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:15,240 you're building. And and you did mention like how 1342 01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,360 can people support what you guys are doing? 1343 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,640 How could people support Club Line? 1344 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,720 Yeah, I think just getting a builder pass supports us. 1345 01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:27,880 I mean, we can get, we can get like 100 of those that'll keep 1346 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,320 the lights on indefinitely. But yeah, I think just 1347 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,800 supporting the lab anyway, can $0.20 goes a long way, $0.21 1348 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,760 right now. We just ordered some more food 1349 01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,480 for the lab. So that's like 100 bucks. 1350 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,840 Like the, the little small things help. 1351 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,800 I mean, cause a lot of what we do here is just very grassroots 1352 01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,440 and everybody's working for free. 1353 01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,400 As you know, in Bitcoin. There's just a lot of 1354 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,360 volunteers. So we're doing our best to to 1355 01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,000 take care of the builders and then kind of hold that line, you 1356 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,840 know, so that way they can build in privacy and, and keep 1357 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,640 building the the, the tools that we need for a lot of us to 1358 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,600 survive this next few years. Man, it's going to be tough, 1359 01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:05,280 yeah. It, it, it is going to be tough. 1360 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:09,560 I, I think you see them fighting so bad, so, so hard on the 1361 01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:15,120 information stuff. The I am like what I'm seeing 1362 01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,040 with the with the money. Like if you're seeing them fight 1363 01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,400 this hard on information like wait till we like wait till the 1364 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,120 money thing starts to be threatened. 1365 01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,960 Like you saw that like Kenzian state economist, he's like 1366 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,800 freaking out. He's like, it's so important. 1367 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,560 Like, no, it's impossible. We get to decide what the fuck 1368 01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,960 money is. Like you saw him freaking out. 1369 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,680 But like bitcoins are forcing function. 1370 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:46,280 You can't like the your return on violence does not work when 1371 01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,520 something is decentralized. And most importantly, I think 1372 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,040 that people, I'm going to say a couple things that are 1373 01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:56,600 controversial #1 Bitcoin is an idea, OK? 1374 01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:01,000 It's an idea. It's an idea that we can have a, 1375 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:05,480 a non state money that can function and it's actually 1376 01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:10,280 better than state money, OK? I refuse to go back to that 1377 01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,640 previous system. There's a lot more people like 1378 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,080 me and are on, and the amount of people that think like me 1379 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,240 continues to grow by the day, right? 1380 01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,160 That's number one. Number two, and this is going to 1381 01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,120 be very controversial, but I'm sticking to it. 1382 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,760 Bitcoin is the most powerful political movement the world has 1383 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,880 ever seen since the introduction of Marxism in the mid 19th 1384 01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,720 century. I'm sticking to it. 1385 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,440 I'm doubling down on it. And the reason for that is 1386 01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,080 inherently the separation of money and state is political. 1387 01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,120 And when people think about politics, what they're 1388 01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:50,200 referencing in their minds is, you know, the voting and left 1389 01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,160 versus right and all that stuff. And this. 1390 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:56,360 No, no, no, this is a step above that because it doesn't require 1391 01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,800 voting in the traditional sense. It requires voting with your 1392 01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,400 wallet. And if a significant, if a big 1393 01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:07,640 enough percentage of the population opts out of state 1394 01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:12,800 money, you're going to effectuate change the likes of 1395 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,000 which the world has never seen before. 1396 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:21,080 And I think it's going to bring an era of human prosperity and 1397 01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:25,520 freedom we have never seen in world history because the state 1398 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,040 has always had some type of control, right? 1399 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,720 So anyways, I want to, I, I kind of want to just say those 1400 01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,720 things, whether you guys believe it or not. 1401 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:35,960 Let us know down in the comments. 1402 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,480 I want before we wrap it up, I want to see what the results of 1403 01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:39,480 the poll are. Opti. 1404 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,680 Wait, wait, wait, wait, let's let's give car last last two. 1405 01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,160 No, no, we're we're gonna we're gonna give four last two stats. 1406 01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,520 I just want. To OK, so over here on YouTube, 1407 01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:55,640 we have a statistically relevant poll of 71 votes and 51% says 1408 01:16:55,640 --> 01:17:00,160 Nashville, 49% says Austin. So Jesus, it's pretty close. 1409 01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,040 It's pretty close. Wow, that is very close dude. 1410 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:07,960 Holy cow. Okay anyways guys we are getting 1411 01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:11,480 to the top of the hour. I do want to give the man of the 1412 01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:15,440 hour car, the founder of Pleb Labs, the last words car. 1413 01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:17,480 What are your thoughts? I think you should come to 1414 01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:21,480 Austin. We have a circular by KNC 1415 01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:23,280 cattle. We have we have now we have 1416 01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,120 dairy, so you can get dairy delivered. 1417 01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:28,000 We have builders around here. So if you need anything built, 1418 01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:33,200 Technical Support, we got that. We have places around town that 1419 01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,200 you can buy groceries with stuff like that. 1420 01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,760 We also have meetups all over the place happening all over S 1421 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,840 San Antonio and in Round Rock. So yeah, you should come to 1422 01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,280 Texas. And plus, we're we're a freedom 1423 01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,480 state. And plus Ben, the car man's in 1424 01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:50,800 Austin, so of course, I'm leaning towards Austin. 1425 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:59,120 Dude, I am, I am this is this blows my mic. 221 live viewers 1426 01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:05,440 top viewers all time high on ZAP dot stream incredible rumble 1427 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,600 topped out like 120. YouTube topped out roughly 300. 1428 01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,800 Then of course, X topped out maybe like close to 1000. 1429 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,200 But this is this is we're going to keep doing this guys. 1430 01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,160 But yes, Austin or Nashville car. 1431 01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,960 I man, I'm I'm so I'm so divided. 1432 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,600 I'm so conflicted. We we haven't made a decision, 1433 01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,960 we're going to talk about it, but I appreciate the warm invite 1434 01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,760 and we're definitely going to stop by the club lab while we're 1435 01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,880 there and perhaps maybe do a, a live show from there. 1436 01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,720 Yeah, dude, absolutely. I would. 1437 01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,280 I would say also we have Marty here. 1438 01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:42,000 So if you go to Nashville, you'll just have Odell and this 1439 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,880 way you have Marty and Parker and everybody over here in 1440 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,560 Austin. Yeah, I think you should come to 1441 01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,120 Austin. Appreciate it. 1442 01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,080 Well dude, thank you so much for coming on the show today guys. 1443 01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,560 Go check out our guests. We have car in the house. 1444 01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,320 Go check out his website, pleb lab dot DF. 1445 01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,760 I'm your host Nico's my Co host Optimus Fields. 1446 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,120 We're simply Bitcoin live. This was your episode for 1447 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,400 September 10th, 2024. If you guys enjoyed the show, 1448 01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:09,680 make sure to smash the like button. 1449 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,240 Consider subscribing or following us, and we'll see you 1450 01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,360 tomorrow for a brand new episode of simply Bitcoin live and 1451 01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,080 tonight Opie and I are going to be reacting to the debate on 1452 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:23,040 Rumble X and ZAP dot stream baby, we'll be back. 1453 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:29,120 All right, everybody take care. 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