1 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:26,000 2016 But I also think there are Americans who are engaged in 2 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,800 this kind of propaganda and whether they should be civilly 3 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,480 or even in some cases criminally charged is something that would 4 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:39,840 be a better deterrence because yo welcome to some of the 5 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,920 Bitcoin live your number one source for the peaceful Bitcoin 6 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,760 revolution of cover breaking news culturamatic warfare. 7 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,000 We'll be your guide through the separation of money and straight 8 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,240 streaming live from the unconfiscatable real world suite 9 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,080 here at gold spake the gold spike in Las Vegas, NV courtesy 10 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,720 of tone vase. ANYWAYS, starting off the cold 11 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,400 opening with Hillary Clinton basically saying that any 12 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,960 narrative, any information that is not officially approved is 13 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:09,760 dangerous propaganda and that American be locked up for that. 14 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,560 I mean that that contradicts completely what the 1st 15 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,760 amendment is all about. I mean, it's we are heading to 16 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,680 very dangerous territory where government officials, very 17 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,600 powerful government officials, including Kamala Harris are 18 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,240 saying the things along the lines of like, look like, you 19 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,280 know, Elon Musk has too much power because of what he can 20 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,680 because he controls Twitter. You know, it's, it's, it's a 21 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,840 very slippery slope when government officials get into 22 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,600 discussions about speech. And we've seen this play out 23 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,080 throughout history over the last 100 years or so. 24 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,680 It never ends well. Freedom of speech isn't perfect, 25 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,520 but I would say that it's a much better alternative than a group 26 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,320 of very powerful bureaucrats getting to decide what speech is 27 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,880 OK and what speech is not OK. And then this brings me to the 28 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,600 idea of central bank digital currencies. 29 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,280 If they're not OK with you transacting information freely, 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,640 what makes you think they're going to be OK with you 31 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,199 transacting money freely? So I think freedom of speech is 32 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:13,120 the front line for the, for the disintermediation of money and 33 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,480 state. It is the disintermediation of, 34 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,760 of state and information. So I think it's very important 35 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,480 that we continue to highlight this because it's, it's pretty 36 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,120 insane. And I got to say guys, and, and 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,480 we have a very special guest to talk about this today. 38 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,240 We're this is the first election, the election of 2024, 39 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,800 this presidential election where depending on the candidate that 40 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,920 gets into office that wins, it will have a impact on the 41 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:44,480 regulatory environment for the Bitcoin industry in the United 42 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,840 States. And that's something that as a 43 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:53,200 Bitcoin podcasts or content creation or media company, 44 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,520 however you would you would like to call us, it's something that 45 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,320 we have to bring up. It's something that we have to 46 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,600 talk about, right? And what I've seen, what I saw 47 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,240 over the weekend, I was kind of being a little bit hyperbolic 48 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,920 when I said, Oh my God, look, this, you know, the it's not a 49 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:09,920 coincidence that the first Bitcoin presidential candidate 50 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:13,760 was almost assassinated twice. You know, I said that half 51 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,720 jokingly, but the responses surprised me a lot because a lot 52 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,480 of people were basically saying like, oh, look, you know, 53 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,200 Trump's not pro Bitcoin, Trump's pro crypto. 54 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,680 And my responses were like, so what's the alternative exactly? 55 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,440 You know, it's very clear to me, especially after RFK has, you 56 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,080 know, gone out of the race, we have a pro Bitcoin candidate 57 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:42,080 slash anti CBDC candidate versus a anti Bitcoin candidate slash 58 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,200 pro CBDC candidate. So from my perspective, is it 59 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,880 perfect? No, but if you use a little bit 60 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:54,320 of common sense, it's very easy to, you know, to decide who you 61 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,800 should put your support behind, specifically if you're a 62 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,000 Bitcoiner or if you're a Bitcoin business owner in the United 63 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,680 States. Anyways, no more delay. 64 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,600 I do want to bring up McShane on to the stage. 65 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,880 McShane is the director of programming for the Bitcoin 66 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,080 Conference man, and you guys have done an incredible job. 67 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:18,519 Bitcoin 2024 was I would say on par with Bitcoin 2021 in terms 68 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:22,200 of historical milestones Bitcoin 2021 of course, was when Naimbu 69 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,520 Kelly announced making Bitcoin legal tender in El Salvador. 70 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:30,440 But you guys got an ex president, potentially a future 71 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,760 president to speak at the Bitcoin conference and not to 72 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,400 mention RF KS speech holy cow he he sounded like a maxi man. 73 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,160 It was insane. It was crazy. 74 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,120 So really, really happy to have McShane on the show today. 75 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:44,760 How you doing, man? I'm. 76 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,200 Doing well, man. Good morning, it's a beautiful 77 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,360 day. Love to see this price action 78 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,880 despite our political, you know, climate Right now. 79 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,000 I'm just loving life man. Loving being a big corner. 80 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,720 Absolutely. I think once you reach bitcoins 81 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,160 then you have Bitcoin in self custody, you know, you feel 82 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,680 protected. You're like, look, no matter 83 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:12,080 what is going on in crazy clown world Fiat world, you know, life 84 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,800 is getting progressively cheaper for me because I'm on a better 85 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,240 unit of account. Absolutely. 86 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,120 I want to bring up my legendary coast who's always optimistic 87 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:21,840 streaming live from Dallas, TX. How you doing Opti? 88 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,920 I am doing wonderful. I am having a little bit of FOMO 89 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,120 because I'm not in Vegas right now, but hey, you know, Nika's 90 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,400 got to keep me safe and away from the party, so I get how it 91 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,280 is. But on that note, Nika drinking 92 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:39,960 a root beer at 9:00 AM in the morning in Las Vegas. 93 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,760 Love to see it. Love to see it when in Vegas. 94 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,280 I mean, Speaking of speaking in Vegas, bro, I mean, there's 95 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:51,040 going to be quite an event coming up next year, early next 96 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,880 year in Vegas. And I'll be at that one. 97 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:54,560 Yes, he'll definitely be at that one. 98 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,880 May 27th through 29th Bitcoin 2025. 99 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,760 I don't know how we're going to outdo ourselves from last year, 100 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,360 but I promise you that we will. Let's go. 101 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,120 I totally, totally believe it. Anyways, what are you going to 102 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:08,680 talk about? Yeah. 103 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,200 Well, before I get into the culture, I do kind of want to 104 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,080 comment on that cold, cold open we saw in the morning. 105 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,560 And I'm, I'm really going to troll it out because if, if 106 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,040 Hillary does have her way, I am convinced that not only us, but 107 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,320 every other Bitcoin podcaster is going to be in the gulags. 108 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,720 So the gulags are going to be lit. 109 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,600 I'm super excited to hang out with all my friends in the 110 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,840 gulags because we are saying things that are very unpopular 111 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,120 as far as the corporate press is concerned, or rather the system 112 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,520 is concerned. So, you know, fingers crossed 113 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,680 that we make it. Fingers crossed that we're cool 114 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,120 enough to make it. But yeah, in in the culture, of 115 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,920 course, we got McShane on today. So we're going to be talking 116 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,640 about, of course, first and foremost, you guys got another 117 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,560 epic event coming up in Amsterdam. 118 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,040 So we'll cover the conferences in Amsterdam, Las Vegas, Abu 119 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,880 Dhabi. And then depending on how much 120 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,240 time we got, we're going to we're going to pick Mcshane's 121 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,320 brain on just like alternative modes of living. 122 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,560 I know you've been off the grid. You were telling me before the 123 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,080 show you're like, dude, I'm completely checked out from the 124 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,160 online narratives. So maybe we'll talk about that 125 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,280 and then, you know, thoughts on the general culture. 126 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,160 Noster, I know you really want to chat about Metaplanet as 127 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,040 well. So we'll try to wrap all this 128 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:21,080 stuff up in a, in a good short times sequence or else the show 129 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,760 will go on for like 2 hours. But yeah, we got a, we got a jam 130 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,120 packed show today. Yeah, we got we got loads of 131 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,760 content so stay tuned guys. If you guys are enjoying the 132 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,960 show so far, it really, really helps with the algos if you 133 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,360 smash the like button. Also shout out to our audience 134 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,680 on Rumble on Noster as well as ZAP dot Stream. 135 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,160 Really, really love you guys appreciate it. 136 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,640 We were, we were blown away the moment we got deplatformed and 137 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,960 the fact that a lot of you got most of, I would say the vast 138 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,240 majority of you guys followed us to alternative platforms and 139 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,080 protocols was really broke our hearts and we really, really 140 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,120 appreciate it. So we're going to continue to 141 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,280 put a lot of emphasis, a lot of emphasis and a lot of work into 142 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,160 alternative platforms like X and Rumble and alternative protocols 143 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,520 like like Nostril where you can't get to platform period, 144 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,480 right? 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At the time of recording the 186 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:26,600 Bitcoin price is 60,820 sats per dollar 1644 block height 861,720 187 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:32,640 blocks to having 188,280 having estimate March 26th 2028 total 188 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:38,840 lightning network capacity 5045 BTC capacity value 370 three 107 189 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,600 million realize monetary inflation continuing to take 190 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,760 Fiat currencies to absolute school 1.346% market 191 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,040 capitalization 1.2 trillion and Bitcoin versus gold market gap 192 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:55,480 6.69%. Anyways, Trump held a a spaces 193 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,880 yesterday with some shit coiners. 194 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,440 I'll be honest with you. But again, I think the message 195 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,240 that I want to hammer in home today is it's a two party 196 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,880 system. You really only have two 197 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,520 choices. You have the Biden Harris 198 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,760 administration slash campaign that has shown us over the last 199 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,440 two and a half, I would say 3 1/2 years, their outlook on the 200 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,160 industry in the Democratic Party platform of 2024. 201 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,000 It does not mention digital currencies or digital assets or 202 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,440 crypto or Bitcoin. One time we know how Elizabeth 203 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,720 Warren feels about the industry. She wants to create a monopoly 204 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,240 for a central bank digital currency. 205 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,560 And then if you compare and contrast that with not only what 206 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:44,480 Trump said at the Bitcoin conference, but the Republican 207 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,840 Party platform, it literally said verbatim, we'll protect the 208 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,720 right to mine, we'll protect the right to self custody, and we'll 209 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,880 end the, you know, the attack on the industry. 210 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,840 It's pretty clear to me, but again, I understand some 211 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,360 Bitcoiners, I empathize with them. 212 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,640 I understand that, you know, a lot of people feel that Bitcoin, 213 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:10,720 that Trump is not a, you know, a a pure Bitcoin maximalist, but 214 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,240 it's not perfect. But you really only have two 215 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,680 choices. One choice is pretty bad and one 216 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,640 choice is much better. So here's a recap and shout out 217 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,360 to Sophie for taking notes. So first, they brought up the 218 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,520 campaign promise on crypto and Bitcoin. 219 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,520 Second, the Biden Harris campaign will continue. 220 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,880 This is a claim made by Trump. I believe it as well, just based 221 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,440 on the actions that we've seen over the last couple months. 222 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,040 For example, when the Crypto for Harris initiative was launched 223 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,960 the same day the Federal Reserve sued one of the last friendly 224 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,880 crypto slash Bitcoin banks in the United States. 225 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,360 And I mean, don't pay attention to what they say. 226 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,000 Pay pay attention to what they do right. 227 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,160 So Trump claims Biden Harris campaign will continue to make 228 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,640 crypto adoption or Bitcoin adoption more difficult, but he 229 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,400 will leave us alone and help us thrive. 230 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,760 That's also something that he promised at the Bitcoin 231 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,280 conference, says that there's a learning curve that his kids 232 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,840 understood right at the beginning that his kids, 233 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,080 specifically Barron Trump is managing his wallets and has 234 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,520 taught him. He says that the US has has to 235 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,760 be #1 not only in Bitcoin slash crypto, but also AI and all 236 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,840 technology. For that to happen, we need 237 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,720 twice the electricity we already have. 238 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,960 We cannot be left in the dust. He says that during his 239 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,120 administration, they become the leader in the space and they'll 240 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,440 do the same with crypto, AI and mining. 241 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,240 This is when you tie what? What you OK? 242 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,000 And then this is when I want to bring up my discussion that I 243 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,000 had with Wicket, because I kind of did this like half jokingly, 244 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,520 half serious. But the reality is that Trump 245 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,000 has faced now two assassination attempts. 246 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,960 I made the case that it's no coincidence that the first 247 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,080 Bitcoin pro Bitcoin presidential candidate has had that happen to 248 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,080 him. But to my surprise, there was a 249 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,240 lot of people that felt very passionate about it, 250 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,920 specifically a well known Bitcoiner in the community, 251 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,160 wicked and he said they had a they have a pro Bitcoin, a pro 252 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,440 crypto stance. That's a very, very different 253 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,520 that's very, very different than a pro Bitcoin stance and shows 254 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,480 how little they actually understand what's really going 255 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,440 on. My first response to that is 256 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,280 number one, do you remember the first year that you got into 257 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,880 Bitcoin? Did you know the difference 258 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,480 between Bitcoin and crypto? That's my first response. 259 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,440 My second response and the reason I believe it's a bad take 260 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,240 is it's fundamentally A2 party system. 261 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,560 So you have a choice between a pro Bitcoin slash anti CBDC 262 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,600 candidate and an anti Bitcoin slash pro CBDC candidate. 263 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,040 And not to mention the fact that one of the candidates it has 264 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,400 promise to free Ross. Is it perfect? 265 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,640 No. Is it better? 266 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,640 Absolutely. And I would say that if you're 267 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,960 going down the purity test route, it's basically you want a 268 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,920 continuation of the regulatory crackdown. 269 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,480 And then I made a meme which Pierre Rashard and BK and a lot 270 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,080 of predominant Bitcoiners liked or retweeted and I said, you 271 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,080 know, it's like the bell curve meme right at the at the left it 272 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,760 says Trump 2024 on the right it says Trump 2024 protect self 273 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,520 custody free Ross pro Bitcoin anti CBDC right to mine and 274 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,800 operation Trump .2 point O. And then the middle, the middle 275 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,040 of the bell curve is Trump is pro crypto. 276 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,320 He's not a maxi. So I'm going to be I'm going to 277 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,880 keep doubling down on that, right. 278 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,040 It's not a perfect system. It's a two party system. 279 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:37,040 We don't have a, you know, a, a, a pure Bitcoin maxi president 280 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,840 presidential candidate, but I would say it's much better than 281 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,880 the alternative. And he's already shown good 282 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,520 faith and he's already shown good faith by not only including 283 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,320 it in the official Republican presidential policy, but also 284 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,120 are the official Republican Nico wrong. 285 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,680 Third party is Bitcoin. The third party candidate is RFK 286 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,800 and he literally got out of the race and supported Trump. 287 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,960 That's what I would say. And and another thing that I 288 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,880 would say as well is because I think a lot of us Bitcoiners 289 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,080 really fundamentally believe this because we read the 290 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,080 sovereign individual and we believe in the thesis that over 291 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,400 the long term, you know, the Internet and digital and Bitcoin 292 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,400 specifically is going to make politics irrelevant. 293 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,120 But right now, during the transitionary period, I think 294 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,840 politicians and the regulatory environment can have a 295 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,360 meaningful impact in the life of Bitcoiners in that specific 296 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,000 jurisdiction. Specifically if you're a Bitcoin 297 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,800 entrepreneur, if you're trying to build Bitcoin business, you 298 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,760 don't want to build it in a hostile regulatory environment, 299 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,640 which is why you see a lot of these lightning wallets leaving 300 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,960 the United States like the and I and I saw a very powerful tweet 301 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,760 and it was basically along the lines of there's three countries 302 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,000 that have banned wall of Satoshi, China, North Korea and 303 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,560 the United States. Like you don't want that. 304 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,600 You don't want that at all, right? 305 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,440 And I think Trump coming in, yes, you know, he he will bring 306 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,800 a lot of all coinary for sure, without a doubt. 307 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,720 But at the same time, he's going to leave that alone and he's 308 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,599 going to allow Bitcoin to thrive. 309 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,920 And Bitcoin doesn't need any special privileges or special 310 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,000 advantages. It is superior money. 311 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,480 It's going to win based on its own merit by itself. 312 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,119 It just needs to be left alone, at least from a regulatory 313 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,760 perspective. Now, does this mean that Bitcoin 314 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,319 needs a politician for it to succeed? 315 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:31,720 No, but I would say that does it mean that potentially the United 316 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,680 States could get left behind from an innovative aspect, from 317 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,520 a regulatory aspect, 100%. And if you're a Bitcoiner living 318 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,080 in the United States, then yeah. I mean, this, this election 319 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,200 coming up in 2024 will have a meaningful impact. 320 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,160 And I think purity tests could potentially be dangerous. 321 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,760 Anyways, I've been on a a little bit of a ramble here. 322 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,920 I want to pass it on to McShane. McShane, you guys have done an 323 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,640 incredible job at the Bitcoin conference getting not only RFK, 324 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,840 but Trump and also members on the other side of the aisle as 325 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,280 well. Ro Khanna, I hope I pronounced 326 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,640 that correctly from the Democratic, from the Democratic 327 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,240 side that have all been pro Bitcoin slash crypto. 328 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,000 So I want to get your takes on this. 329 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,520 I'm sure you have a little bit more insight on this. 330 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,200 Yeah, I would say we we invite members of Congress from both 331 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,960 sides of the aisle and they don't always show up. 332 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,600 It's been hard to get them to show up. 333 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,360 You know, Kamala turned us down in the 11th hour. 334 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,360 I don't know. For me, it's not really, it's 335 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,320 not really about these, these parties. 336 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,400 I'm I'm a big orange party guy. I don't, you know, Full 337 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,640 disclosure, I don't, I don't vote at all. 338 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,080 I don't, I don't like our system. 339 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,920 I don't I don't think that this experiment in like pseudo 340 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,880 representative democracies worked out well, but there are 341 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,360 certain advantages that the United States can accrue by 342 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,360 putting leaders in charge to understand Bitcoin on some 343 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:02,080 level. And I would say, you know, I'm 344 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,480 also very disappointed and, you know, the Trump campaign's 345 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,440 choice to launch about cryptocurrency. 346 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,560 And but I at the same time, I think that some exposure to 347 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,720 Bitcoin's better than none. And I still believe, you know, 348 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,880 everything's good for Bitcoin. And the path to Bitcoin is 349 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,640 through altcoins. It's always been that way. 350 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,400 That's the origin story of most people probably watching this 351 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,920 stream. They probably dabble. 352 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:31,440 And I think they're going to get burnt real bad by this. 353 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,280 I think, you know, Trump was been kind of on a down 354 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,040 downstream since, you know, that the debate launching the crypto, 355 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,280 it's just a bad look. I think it's going to backfire 356 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,160 and hopefully they learn their lesson. 357 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,360 I hope he gets, you know, some of these people out of his ear 358 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:50,080 who are encouraging this sort of, I don't know, it's me, it's 359 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,720 fraud. These these cryptos all make 360 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,600 fraudulent claims. And you know, people are going 361 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,240 to get hurt. So I'd like to see a return to 362 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,920 Bitcoin. I still think the alternative's 363 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,480 a lot worse. You know, this, this censorship 364 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,760 regime of like the Democratic Party, I mean, we, we can't, we 365 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,160 can't tolerate this. I, I don't think that would be 366 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,520 good for Bitcoin at all. I think you'll see an exodus of 367 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,360 Bitcoiners from the United States if Kamala gets elected. 368 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,040 100% I, I 100% agree with that. And Opti, I mean, this is 369 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,880 something that we've been talking about for quite a while 370 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,760 now. We've been on the fence. 371 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,760 We've tried to remain neutral. And I think what really was a 372 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,440 breaking point for us was when the Samurai wallet guys got 373 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,160 arrested. Then I felt like I got very 374 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,680 passionate at that point. The attack on self custody, the 375 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:47,360 proposed 30% Bitcoin mining tax, the the denial of Caitlin Long's 376 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:51,280 federal banking charter for her bank Custodia Bank, even though 377 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,720 it's fully Reserve Bank. All those things like it just 378 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,120 kind of starts to add up. And then you have to start to 379 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,880 question yourself. Like at what point do I speak 380 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,680 up? At what point do I make my voice 381 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,640 heard and say, you know what, like it's probably not a good 382 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,720 idea that, you know, the current administration gets another four 383 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,640 years just based on how they treated the industry. 384 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,960 And I, I just want to be specific guys like if Kamala 385 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,920 came out tomorrow and, you know, didn't say it through her 386 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,600 subordinates, like didn't say it through the media, but it 387 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,160 actually came out of her mouth. Like, you know, I'll protect 388 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,400 the, you know, I'll protect self custody. 389 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,800 I'll leave the industry alone. Then I think we would change 390 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,320 stance on simply because I completely agree with McShane. 391 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,520 Like this isn't red versus blue, liberal versus conservative. 392 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,760 It's really the party of Fiat versus the party of Bitcoin. 393 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,400 But the reality is that one party in the Fiat sense has 394 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,520 played ball better and the other party has just been extremely 395 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,280 hostile towards the industry as a whole. 396 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,800 So and that's just a reality that we have to point out. 397 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,680 Like, go ahead, Mitch, Shane. I was going to say, I just, I 398 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,520 can't stop thinking about the, you know, custodia bank being 399 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,160 denied a federal banking charter. 400 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,600 I mean, people need to realize it's illegal in this country to 401 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,760 run a bank with four reserves. You have to take unsecured loans 402 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,360 from citizens, risk them on the market and and socialize your 403 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:15,960 loss to that's that's status quo. 404 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,040 That's the law, insanity, insanity. 405 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,280 And that what that tells me is that that system is completely 406 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,120 unviable. Do not trust those people with 407 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:24,680 your money. Instead, learn to use Bitcoin 408 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,400 well in self custody and and go that direction. 409 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,920 You're going to you're going to have a lot more prosperity and 410 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,160 try to mess around with these banks. 100% I, I 100% agree with 411 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,720 that. And, and I think it also shows 412 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,040 like, and I think it was like a, a Cameron or Tyler Winklevi, 413 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,280 like the way that he was describing it in a tweet thread 414 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,960 where he's basically making the, the case that like the Federal 415 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,480 Reserve is positioning itself on a regulatory level, on a, on a 416 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:54,560 legal level where they have the final say to approve what bank 417 00:22:54,560 --> 00:23:00,800 in the United States has the ability to bank anyone that has 418 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,240 any type of relation or interaction with the Bitcoin 419 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,520 slash crypto industry. So it's kind of like an 420 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,280 unelected bureaucracy because we don't elect the head. 421 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,720 The chairman of the Federal Reserve is basically has a 422 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,320 literal choke point. And they're the deciding factor 423 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,760 of what banks are allowed to interact with the industry and 424 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,160 what banks are not allowed to interact with the industry. 425 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,600 And then you could also make the case that central banks have the 426 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,800 most to lose if our industry succeeds. 427 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,880 So it's kind of like, why would you like that? 428 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,200 Doesn't make any sense. It's not allowing innovation, 429 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,280 which is what originally America was based on, right? 430 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,800 This idea of individualism, meritocracy, innovation. 431 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,600 But it seems like it's been going away from that. 432 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,680 Opti, we've been covering this for a couple months now. 433 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,160 It's not surprising at this point. 434 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:59,800 It's quite disappointing for my as a first generation American. 435 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,200 That's how I'm interpreting it. What's your take? 436 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,960 Yeah. Well, First off, I do want to 437 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,640 mention that today is a very important day in regards to the 438 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,800 Samurai case. It's their first hearing, so 439 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,720 let's wish the best for them and and I think this is going to set 440 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,480 a huge precedent, so hopefully we get some good news coming out 441 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,960 of this. With that being said on the 442 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,000 other news, you know I said this the other day we were getting 443 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,120 trolled by our by everyone's favorite cat in the chat and he 444 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,520 was saying are we still single issue voters now that Trump is a 445 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,320 shit coiner? And I responded with basically 446 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,200 the same thing we just said. Well we still have on one side 447 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,080 one that is anti Bitcoin pro CBDC and the other one that I 448 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,120 guess now is more pro shit coin and pro Bitcoin. 449 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,520 So all roads are going to lead to Bitcoin adoption. 450 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,320 Either they're going to try to fight Bitcoin and it's going to 451 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,160 accelerate the adoption of Bitcoin, or we get four more 452 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,480 years of cover and Bitcoin gets to do its thing. 453 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,320 And hopefully Trump actually holds up his, you know what he's 454 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,280 saying where he's going to allow the industry to prosper, because 455 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,080 we've been saying it for a long time that America, if they want 456 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,080 to stay in a position of power, will have to adopt Bitcoin. 457 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,200 And it's, it's the most sensible move right now. 458 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,960 It's don't fight the industry. This industry is good for the 459 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,200 people. And I think that's the the most 460 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,120 important thing right now. And as much as Trump getting 461 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:22,960 into shitcoins is definitely disappointing. 462 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,880 I again, I remember when I got in the Bitcoin, I didn't really 463 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,200 know much about Bitcoin. So he's still in his learning 464 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,080 curve. We can't expect him to just 465 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,360 instantly get into Bitcoin or announce some pro Bitcoin 466 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:37,000 policies and go full maxi. But as McShane said, and as the 467 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,280 meme goes, the best way to become a Bitcoin maxi is by 468 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,400 getting burned with shitcoins. So all roads lead to Bitcoin. 469 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,480 But even with that said, if you're still on the fence of 470 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,960 Kamala versus Trump, like, yes, the Trump family is seemingly 471 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,080 going down the shit coin path, but at least they're not 472 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,920 advocating for stealing your Bitcoin for them, fighting 473 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,480 freedom of speech for them, taking away your firearms, 474 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,000 introducing price controls. So there's a lot of things going 475 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,600 on behind the scenes that yes, I know Niko, he says single issue 476 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,920 voters, but there's a lot of things that if Kamala gets back 477 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,760 in power is going to really affect not only Bitcoin, but the 478 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,680 freedom movement that we are a part of. 479 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,840 So I think it's all good for Bitcoin. 480 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,440 And really, like I was saying in that tweet is like, yeah, Trump 481 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,120 may be going bullshit coin now, but hey, at least they are going 482 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,440 pro crypto. And we all know what shit coins 483 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,920 really do. They just play cover. 484 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,960 They're just smokescreens for Bitcoin. 485 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,240 So if we have one side that's more pro crypto, then Bitcoin's 486 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,360 going to very obviously win on that front. 487 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,160 And you know, for all the free market Maxis out there that are 488 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,040 complaining about it's like, let Bitcoin win and you know, you 489 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,200 know, let let them unleash all of the shit coins out there, Let 490 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,960 them unleash the the floodgates and on on that front, Bitcoin 491 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,400 will prove itself to be the best. 492 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,760 I mean, I joked a while ago when the SEC approved the ETF that 493 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,680 like, oh, no, sorry, when they approved the ETF that is now 494 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,280 Gary Gantz, they're going to prove all the shit coin ETF's 495 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,840 and just open the floodgates and wreck the wreck the citizenry 496 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,800 out here. And I'm like, game on. 497 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,520 Let's go like this sounds fun. Bitcoin's going to win And you 498 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,040 know, as much as what we do is try to protect people from 499 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,640 wrecking themselves and just going into Bitcoin, you know, 500 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,360 people want to gamble and and you play stupid games, you win 501 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,040 stupid prizes. And so I think they're going to 502 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,520 learn. But one of the biggest things 503 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,560 that did come out of that space is the fact that Eric Trump is a 504 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,080 huge Michael Saylor fan. So maybe they're still in their 505 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,000 learning curve, but at least there's a lot of good signal out 506 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,800 there. So hopefully, like I've said 507 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,400 again in the past, all the time on this show, that now when you 508 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,240 get into Bitcoin, your education is accelerated because there is 509 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,480 so much good signal. There is a lot of good content 510 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,120 out there to get people to the pro Bitcoin stance and hopefully 511 00:27:56,120 --> 00:28:01,040 get to become a Bitcoin maxi. But yeah, man, you know, I'm not 512 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,840 a fan of stable coins and I'm here for Bitcoin. 513 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,880 I'm not here to perpetuate the dollar. 514 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,080 But yeah, they're going through their learning, their learning 515 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,880 paces here. But eventually, eventually, once 516 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,920 the Trump's become Bitcoin Maxis, they're gonna become the 517 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,520 most toxic Maxis. So I am here for it. 518 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:20,960 Yeah, absolutely. I mean there is a learning 519 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,720 curve. I mean I don't wanna say that as 520 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,160 an excuse, but I will say based on the two party system and the 521 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,800 two choices, I think it's very clear if you use a little bit of 522 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,600 common sense anyways, I do want to give a shout out to the 986 523 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,560 of you guys watching live between YouTube and X and of 524 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,240 course, the 100 or so of you guys watching live on rumble 20 525 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,960 of you guys watching live on ZAP dot stream. 526 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,800 If you guys are enjoying the show so far, make sure to smash 527 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,760 the like button really really helps the algos or ZAP of some 528 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,760 sass. 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Of course you recommend our 567 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,320 sponsored passport by Foundation Devices. 568 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,840 Completely open source Bitcoin only, Harder wallet. 569 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,240 Anyways, I do want to continue the conversation. 570 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,040 We were talking about the Trump's earlier. 571 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,080 McShane, you did want to bring up a quick note on Eric Trump. 572 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,960 Yeah, I think, I think a lot of Bitcoiners, I was just reading 573 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,200 through the chat just kind of throw up arms like this is the 574 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,560 way it is. You know, we're we're in Eric's 575 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,400 ear trying to re steer this ship that's kind of gone awry. 576 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,480 I'm working with him. Other Bitcoiners are working 577 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,680 with him. He does claim to be best friends 578 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,560 with Sailor, so I'm sure Sailor is working on him as well. 579 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,480 That's not that's not an endorsement. 580 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,600 You know, I wouldn't go out and necessarily vote for these 581 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,560 people just just because of that. 582 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,360 But but there's hope. We don't have to be all, you 583 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,120 know, pessimistic about about both parties. 584 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,160 I think everyone comes around eventually and we're going to 585 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,040 see, you know, we're going to see that bright orange future 586 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,120 that we've been looking forward to. 587 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,800 Absolutely 100% agree. I think everyone has to pay 588 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,480 their price of tuition. And just just keep in mind what 589 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:17,240 like with Sailor and with Trump and Trump's family, they're 590 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,600 going through the, they're paying their price of tuition 591 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,520 and paying their dues, but they're public figures. 592 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,200 But I would just ask you guys, do you remember the first year 593 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,520 that you were in Bitcoin? I've been doing this for quite a 594 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:35,560 long time. 99% of Bitcoiners, 99% of Bitcoiners that I've met 595 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,320 have all gone through a shit coin phase. 596 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,480 This is the fact. Like I've seen it happen over 597 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,960 and over and over again. And then it's only by burning 598 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,520 their finger on the metaphorical stove is that when they come to 599 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,600 the realization that, you know, Bitcoin is different, Bitcoin is 600 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,360 king, right? So I'm not trying to make 601 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,000 excuses, but I'm also trying to be a realist. 602 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,800 Like, you know, these aren't God like figures, like these aren't, 603 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,800 you know, these are human beings after all. 604 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:07,960 And it's going to help a lot if Trump gets elected and he knows 605 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,440 that a lot of that support, either from the donor base or 606 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,760 from the voter base came from the community. 607 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,040 That's going to give him more of an incentive to pay attention to 608 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,000 what's going on. That's my two sats on the 609 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000 matter. But anyways, I do want to pivot 610 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,560 the conversation a little bit on two really, really bullish 611 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,760 things. I believe Opti talked about this 612 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,480 yesterday. If you want to know, if you want 613 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:40,200 to know why, if you want to know why the legacy media went 614 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:46,600 absolutely bonkers and when the IMF also went, got very upset as 615 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,520 to why El Salvador made Bitcoin legal tender. 616 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,920 Even though if you take a look at the GDP of El Salvador, which 617 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,480 is only 32 billion. To put that in perspective, Elon 618 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,400 Musk's Elon Musk's net worth is like 250 billion, right? 619 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,720 So El Salvador's GDP is only 32 billion. 620 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,600 So it's a very, it's a, it's a, it's a small country, it's a 621 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,120 developing country. As a Hispanic myself, someone 622 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,600 comes from originally from Venezuela. 623 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,199 I'm looking at El Salvador and I see inspiration, I see hope, 624 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,400 right? But the reason that the media 625 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,679 was so hell bent on attacking them, the reason that the IMF 626 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,400 was so hell bent on attacking them is because all of a sudden, 627 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,400 if these developing countries have an alternative to the IMF 628 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,600 loans, it starts to become very difficult to control them. 629 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,400 And I think that's fundamentally what it boils down to. 630 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,840 Naimbu Kelly wrote a very famous piece for Bitcoin magazine. 631 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,960 It was called don't drink the elites kool-aid. 632 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,760 In that article, he made the case that their most important 633 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,600 weapon was their control on the truth, right? 634 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,920 And that they're willing to do everything to keep that control. 635 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,280 And if you connect the dots with the Hillary Clinton cold opening 636 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,600 kind of explains a lot of things, right? 637 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,840 I think that if you control money, if you have this unique 638 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,400 ability, which governments have to create money for free that 639 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,000 everyone else has to work for, that comes with a tremendous 640 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,760 amount of influence and power. And, you know, obviously the 641 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,320 powers that be don't want to let that go. 642 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,960 So I, I found this inspirational. 643 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,040 Naimbu Kelly posted financial independence announcement on 644 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,640 Independence Day. And not to mention the fact 645 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,760 talking McShane was talking about Caitlin's Caitlin Long's 646 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,840 bank, how it is a fully reserved bank and it was denied a federal 647 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,720 banking charter. One of the things that El 648 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:45,920 Salvador did was that they made their Bitcoin reserves public 649 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,320 and that's in stark contrast with how gold reserves are run. 650 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,640 We haven't seen a video or a picture of the United States 651 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,480 gold reserves since the 1970s. We have to take the United 652 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,560 States government's word for it, El Salvador said. 653 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,520 You know what, we're going to make our reserves public. 654 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,960 And when when they do that, they make it very difficult for any 655 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,600 politician to skim a little. Bit off the top. 656 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,320 And if you compare that with how other countries treat their gold 657 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,040 reserves, it's in stark contrast. 658 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,560 One is of transparency, one is of accountability, and one one 659 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,560 is of trust me, bro, we're going to do the right thing, right? 660 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,320 And the whole ethos of Bitcoin is don't trust verify. 661 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,880 Now, what makes me really bullish, and this is what I want 662 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,720 to focus on today's episode is it seems like El Salvador isn't 663 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:46,720 the only country that is moving along with this Bitcoin 664 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,000 strategy. We've been talking a lot about 665 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,800 the Kingdom of Bhutan. The Kingdom of Bhutan is a very 666 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,880 small country in the Aegis in the Himalayas that has a 667 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,280 tremendous amount of hydroelectric power capability 668 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,760 because it has such a small population. 669 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,640 But because it has so much hydroelectric power capability, 670 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,400 it has a lot of excess energy. And Bitcoin miners love that 671 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,600 because excess energy means that it's cheap. 672 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,120 Excess energy means that it's not being used. 673 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,200 So that's where Bitcoin miners come in and they become the 674 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,400 buyer of last resort. And this is another kind of 675 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,160 follow up article to the Kingdom of Bhutan, something that we've 676 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,920 been covering over the last couple of months. 677 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,720 First piece of news was that bit deer, a publicly traded Bitcoin 678 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:36,720 mining company in the United States, actually partnered with 679 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:42,800 the small Kingdom to to increase their mining capability from I 680 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,840 think I believe it was 100. I'm I'm going to butcher the the 681 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,080 electricity thing. So I don't want to say that, but 682 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,480 anyways, they increased their their mining capability from 683 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,560 100. Here we go. 684 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,560 Here it is because I don't want to, I don't want to butcher 685 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,720 this, here we go. So they increased their mining 686 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:10,720 capability from 100 megawatts to 600 megawatts, meaning they 687 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:16,600 added 500 megawatts of mining capability despite the halving 688 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,680 going around the corner. And that's an indication of the 689 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,680 how they feel about the future price appreciation because they 690 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,480 wouldn't make that type of investment without feeling 691 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,280 optimistic about, you know, Bitcoin's future. 692 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,880 So here's an article dropped by our friends over at Bitcoin 693 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,200 Magazine written by our boy Nicholas Hoffman. 694 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:44,200 And the headline is Bhutan's Bitcoin Holding Revealed the 695 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:49,360 Kingdom owns $780 million in BTC from mining. 696 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,360 It goes on to say South Asian country Bhutan, a Buddhist 697 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,560 Kingdom on the Himalaya Himalayas eastern edge, has been 698 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,640 revealed as a major Bitcoin holder, owning 13,011 BTC, 699 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,240 around $780 million, according to a report by Arkham 700 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,520 Intelligence. The public data company 701 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,400 identified Bhutan's Bitcoin address, marking the first time 702 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,400 this information has been shared publicly. 703 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,480 Bhutan is the 4th largest government with Bitcoin holdings 704 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,840 on our platform with over $700 million in BTC. 705 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,600 Unlike most governments, Bhutan's BTC does not come from 706 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,120 law enforcement asset seizures, but from Bitcoin mining 707 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,520 operations, which has ramped up dramatically since early 2023. 708 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,200 We have satellite photos here that goes on to say Bhutan's 709 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,640 Bitcoin mining activities are conducted by the kingdoms 710 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,400 investment arm Duck Holdings. According to Arkham, the country 711 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,320 has constructed mining facilities at multiple sites, 712 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,800 with the largest on the grounds of the defunct Education City 713 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,960 project. Markham further noted. 714 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,600 Quote we were able to collab corroborate the timeline of on 715 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,440 chain mining activity with the time lapse time lapse satellite 716 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,200 imagery of facility construction. 717 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,480 That is so freaking cool. By the way, in May 2023, bit 718 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,600 dear partnered with drug holding and investments to develop the 719 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,240 100% carbon free Bitcoin mining operation of Bhutan. 720 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,160 I mean. Like this is awesome. 721 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:22,000 This is so cool. The way that they were able to 722 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,400 do this research and see the mining facilities built out. 723 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,000 And another thing, Bhutan has been quite humble about this and 724 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,800 I, and I believe it has to do with the press's reaction to the 725 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,400 industry as a whole. It they've been keeping this 726 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,840 under wraps. They haven't really been saying 727 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,000 anything. This has been third parties 728 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,240 doing research into Bhutan, but it isn't Bhutan advertising 729 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,680 that, hey, we're mining Bitcoin. And I just got to say, this is 730 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,280 in stark contrast to what Western countries are doing, not 731 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,960 only in the United States, not Texas. 732 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,240 Texas is great, but let's say the overall federal, federal 733 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:01,760 regulatory, our environment, let's say they haven't been, you 734 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,880 know, the friendliest towards the industry. 735 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,520 But if you take a look at Norway, Norway bans Bitcoin 736 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,920 mining and the price of electricity for residents went 737 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,200 up like 20 or 30%, right? So I'm really bullish on 738 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,720 developing countries adopting Bitcoin. 739 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,480 And we're seeing that. And it's not only El Salvador 740 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,280 that has been quite vocal about it, but it's also been these 741 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,440 very small countries in Asia that I would say most people, if 742 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,840 you tell them where is Bhutan on the map, they would not be able 743 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,000 to tell you they've been mining Bitcoin. 744 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,440 I think this is a trend that's going to continue. 745 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,800 I'm very bullish on Bitcoin mining, Bitcoin mining and 746 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,280 Bitcoin adoption in developing countries in South America and 747 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,720 in Southeast Asia, and I suspect that trend will continue. 748 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,960 Anyways, I'm going to pass it on to McShane. 749 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,600 McShane, what are your thoughts on this? 750 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,640 It's not surprising at all, man. Like honestly, if you understand 751 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,480 Bitcoin's incentives, you understand that this has always 752 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,680 been inevitable. Yeah, it takes just a few people 753 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,880 and a few touch points to kick off initiatives like this. 754 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,400 Just to go back, I mean, following up on on El Salvador, 755 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,160 it's amazing to see kind of on the nation state level, the the 756 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,600 prosperity that a nation can accrue and the changes that it 757 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,960 makes to it's sort of livelihood. 758 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,720 Just like we all have had, you know, Bitcoin affect us 759 00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:25,800 personally and sort of change the way we live. 760 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,880 You know, in in the beginning who Kelly ran on infrastructure 761 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,640 and security. And I think what you're going to 762 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,880 see over the next year is an announcement to help boost that 763 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,800 GDP, which is going to take the form of goods and services 764 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,080 produced in El Salvador that are free of the poisons that our 765 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,560 corporations have invaded all of the global S with. 766 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,960 You're going to see corner stores with blue and gold 767 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,560 branded, you know, tooth toothpaste, free of toxins, 768 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,040 everything, just anything to bring that economy back home. 769 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,480 And and you'll see this country begin to behave more and more 770 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,320 like a truly self sovereign nation that they won't need to 771 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,280 be dependent on IMF loans, which is the best we can hope for. 772 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,480 And this, this is a, you know, El Salvador has its faults, Boo 773 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,640 Kelly as well, but this is there are big rays of hope there. 774 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,160 And I think it's going to be a positive example for for 775 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,720 countries around the world. A. 100% I, I 100% agree with 776 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,880 that outlook. Opti, what's your take on this? 777 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,960 I mean, we've been covering this for quite a while, man. 778 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,800 It's not surprising at this point, Opti. 779 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,440 Yeah, no, I mean, I think the most, there's two points to me 780 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,960 that the that are the most interesting one kind of doing or 781 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,400 jumping off. What McShane was saying is once 782 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,560 you get off off those touch points and you fully dive into 783 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,640 the Bitcoin space, like there's no going back. 784 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,840 And so you just love to see that the Kingdom of Bhutan again, 785 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,160 another relatively unknown country just getting put on the 786 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,800 map because of their Bitcoin strategy plays. 787 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,240 And let's not forget that we wouldn't have even known that 788 00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:00,080 Bhutan was mining Bitcoin if they didn't get caught up in a 789 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,680 bankruptcy and it got exposed. So like they probably still 790 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,520 would have been mining secretly. And so that really makes you 791 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,160 think of what other nations are out there doing something 792 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,440 similar, what other corporations are at least trying to keep it 793 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,960 hush hush and individuals doing something very similar. 794 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,840 And so to me, that's one of the most interesting aspects about 795 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,680 the Bhutan news is that they're just doubling down. 796 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,280 They expanded their mining supply and now they're just 797 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,800 continuously stacking and mining Bitcoin. 798 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,520 So you just love to see it. But the second point is the idea 799 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,560 that there's only two countries in the world that have gotten 800 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,440 their Bitcoin ethically, and that is El Salvador and the 801 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,960 Kingdom of Bhutan. El Salvador obviously buying 802 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,560 Bitcoin, one Bitcoin a day for I forget how long it's been now, a 803 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,080 year or so. And then of course, you know, 804 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,840 going on to a Bitcoin reserve strategy playbook. 805 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,040 And then the Kingdom of Bhutan by mining their Bitcoin. 806 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,600 Every other government that currently holds Bitcoin is 807 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,280 because they took it from theft. They, they, they stole it from 808 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,040 their citizens. And this is where we are right 809 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,320 now. And so I think it really reminds 810 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,640 me of that Satoshi quote. And I always butcher it. 811 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,240 But as an honest actor, it pays more to just follow the rules of 812 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,200 Bitcoin, to stack Bitcoin, to mine Bitcoin. 813 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,760 And only times going to show whether these countries are 814 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,760 correct and whether they're going to make it and whether 815 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,880 it's going to actually improve their nations and their 816 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,120 economies. And so you just love to see it 817 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,760 like the signal has gotten out there and now everyone is waking 818 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,720 up to the idea that not only is Bitcoin a mature asset that you 819 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:33,040 need some, but it's a viable solution to the problems that we 820 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,960 all face, which is there's nothing else to store your value 821 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,440 in. Yes, you can store your value in 822 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,480 gold. You know, the other hard money 823 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,240 out there, yes, it just hit all time high, but it's basically 824 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,560 been going sideways for what I don't know, like 50 years or 825 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,880 something like that. And so gold for for all intents 826 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,200 and purposes is a stable coin at this point. 827 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,440 It's just going sideways. It's holding your value. 828 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,000 Treasuries are looking like they're going up in smoke and 829 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,160 more people are moving away from treasuries, especially when you 830 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,720 talk about all the stuff going on in the BRICS nations. 831 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,680 And then no one in their right mind is trying to save in 832 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,640 dollars if they understand what's going on. 833 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,000 And so the only solution here, again, all roads lead to 834 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,640 Bitcoin. There is no alternative. 835 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,080 You need to hold some Bitcoin. You have to hold some Bitcoin if 836 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,080 you want to survive what's coming in the future. 837 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,680 And it's not like some dystopian future thing. 838 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,680 It's just math that the system that we are a part of needs to 839 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,040 inject more Fiat into the system to keep it going. 840 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,200 And that means everyone else is getting poorer, that's holding 841 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,920 dollars. And so everyone is looking for a 842 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,880 solution. And yes, of course, it's going 843 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,760 to start with these tiny countries at first because they 844 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,440 don't have as much to lose, I would say, than the US or other 845 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,400 first world Western countries. But I think soon enough, again, 846 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,040 going back to the Titanic meme that I use all the time, it 847 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,160 takes a lot more to turn these countries around and make them 848 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,280 pivot than it does a small, nimble country. 849 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,440 And so you just love to see that El Salvador and the Kingdom of 850 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,960 Bhutan are being nimble on their feet and they are stacking 851 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,320 Bitcoin. They are trying to save in 852 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,760 Bitcoin. And I think in the future, these 853 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,840 are going to be very important historical data points to show 854 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,520 that these were the smartest countries, the people that were 855 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,560 in power at this time. Others should follow suit. 856 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,640 And then, you know, we go back to the whole election stuff in 857 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,440 the US and we have one side fighting us and one side going 858 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,200 full shit coin. So it's just interesting times 859 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,880 all around in regards to Bitcoin adoption. 860 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,480 But all roads lead to Bitcoin, so it's good to see. 861 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,760 And I think in 2025, we're going to see even more interesting 862 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,880 news stories come out in the same regard. 100 percent 100% 863 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,680 all right everybody stay tuned there's 1280 of you guys 864 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,360 watching live just between YouTube and X and a couple 100 865 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,000 of you guys watching live between rumble and ZAP stream. 866 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,080 If you guys are enjoying the show, make sure to share the 867 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,400 show like smash the like button really, really helps with the 868 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,280 algos. Stay tuned because we're going 869 00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:01,280 to talk to Mick Shane about the Bitcoin conference about about 870 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,440 the noster. We're going to talk about about 871 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:08,320 him being unplugged from the matrix, so to speak and living 872 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,680 off grid a little bit. So I'm really excited to to 873 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,600 explore this conversation. So stay tuned. 874 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,040 We're going to hit the culture. Here we go. 875 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,880 All right, everybody, I do want to give a shout out to our 876 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,760 sponsor, the Orange Pull app Stack friends who stack SAT's 877 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,520 join the 12,233 Bitcoiners that are currently on the app. 878 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,560 The Orange Pull app is the Bitcoin social layer. 879 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:42,080 So if you're on the go, if you're travelling, you're going 880 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,200 to a new city, perhaps you're in a city for a Bitcoin conference, 881 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,280 and perhaps the Bitcoin conference is only two or three 882 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,760 days, but you're there for a week. 883 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,640 The Orange Pull app is for you. It's the number one resource for 884 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,920 Bitcoin only events. It allows you to DM bitcoiners 885 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,600 that are around you. So it tells you geographically 886 00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:00,320 the bitcoiners that are around you and it'll it'll give you the 887 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,360 ability to send them a message directly. 888 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,080 It's also one of the best ways to reach me if you want to 889 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,040 contact me. I don't really answer Twitter or 890 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,720 emails these days. You could you could contact me 891 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,200 via the orange pull out. So to get started, scan the QR 892 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,320 code on your screen or check the link in the video description. 893 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,160 Man, I'm so excited to have McShane on the show first. 894 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,400 I do want to give him a little bit of credit bro, because the 895 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,920 Bitcoin conference, dude, you guys absolutely freaking crushed 896 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,080 it. It was incredible. 897 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,000 Trump's speech was historic. RF KS speech was historic. 898 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,000 I definitely believe in my heart that it was a milestone in 899 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,200 Bitcoin's history. And I know a lot of people were 900 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,760 just like, dude, RFK's speech was better than Trump's speech. 901 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,040 And I'm like, dude, RFK is independent. 902 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,960 Trump is running from a mainstream political party. 903 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,640 It's a little bit different, but I think you guys did a fabulous 904 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,960 job on that. And I know that you guys are not 905 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,400 stopping and you guys have future plans in regards to more 906 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,480 conferences and more programming upcoming. 907 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,480 So very, very excited for that. Yeah, it's thanks, man. 908 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,640 It's, it's getting wild out there. 909 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,200 We're looking at 4 conferences in the upcoming year. 910 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,640 You know, we're looking at Las Vegas. 911 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,080 We've got Abu Dhabi down the line in December. 912 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:26,680 We've got, of course, Bitcoin 2025 in Vegas and Amsterdam. 913 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,720 They already mentioned Vegas. Yeah, we're going to Amsterdam 914 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,480 here in a couple of weeks. I'm pretty excited for that. 915 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:34,320 And then we'll be back in Hong Kong and Asia, man. 916 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,040 So we're just kind of doing what we can to support Bitcoin 917 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,600 adoption globally and just set, set roots and plant seeds 918 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,320 wherever we can. Absolutely. 919 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,800 And I think that I think the conference really move what what 920 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,240 I experienced as a Bitcoin content creator is something 921 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,960 that I called the Bitcoin echo chamber, which is bitcoiners 922 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,240 create content for other bitcoiners. 923 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,000 How you move the envelope is getting people that are popular 924 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,920 in the mainstream to talk about Bitcoin. 925 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,880 I I one of the, one of the, one of the things that went most 926 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,960 viral and it was from the Bitcoin conference and it was, 927 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,360 it was a comedian and he was basically identifying the fact 928 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,280 that like a lot of most of the world's problems, you can 929 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,360 literally you can identify the root cause. 930 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,000 And the root cause of that is the government's ability to 931 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,000 create money for free. It's it's Fiat money. 932 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,160 And I forget what his name is Opti. 933 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,480 I don't know if, if, if you can remember off the top of his 934 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,760 head, off the top of your head, it was very Dave Smith, exactly, 935 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,000 very famous comedian. And he was on a panel with I 936 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,920 believe American Hoddle was on that panel as well. 937 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,720 Is that correct, McShane? I don't think American Huddle 938 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,320 was on that one. I'm sorry. 939 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:49,960 I can't recall who else was on the panel. 940 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,640 But yeah, Dave Smith has been really, really big into this 941 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,240 sort of libertarian narrative and really critical of, you 942 00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,080 know, the government at president and really friendly to 943 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,920 Bitcoin, which we love to see. But I would like to point out 944 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,960 it's it's super fun. Like I have a really, really fun 945 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,400 job which is trying to bring new people into Bitcoin. 946 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,960 I know people, you know, come to a conference and they want to 947 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,960 see just bright orange across all stages and just tried and 948 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,640 true Maxis. And there is definitely there is 949 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,960 definitely a a place for that. And that's a beautiful thing. 950 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,960 But the way that we, as you said, insert Bitcoin into more 951 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,520 and more of the daily lives of people is taking some risks, 952 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,800 bringing in new people and educating them through their 953 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,440 participation in these, in these events and discussions and 954 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,360 getting them to meet, you know, all the folks that are, you 955 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,840 know, in the, in the comments showing up to these, showing up 956 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,240 to these events. And just just those touch 957 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:46,120 points, man, that's that's what it's all about. 958 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,640 So we're going to, yeah, we're going to see this is going to be 959 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,760 really interesting to go to Abu Dhabi and the MENA region, I 960 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,880 think because this is like the the gold bug capital of the 961 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,840 world. You know, we've got a lot of 962 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,200 work to do there. We've got a lot of people to to 963 00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:06,040 convert there. And Bitcoin is, you know, halal. 964 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,800 It's the most Islamic form of money. 965 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,880 And we have a mission to prove that to these people and get 966 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,720 them to experiment with Bitcoin and try it. 100% and and just to 967 00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:20,240 just to specify, it was Mark Moss and Guy Swan that was on 968 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:24,000 that panel with, with Dave Smith and it was it it. 969 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,040 And it's incredibly important with what you're saying, 970 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,080 McShane, because it's like when you bring in Russell Brand, when 971 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:34,440 you bring in these creators that got famous not by not through 972 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,480 Bitcoin, but they just got famous through the mainstream. 973 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,280 When they tell their audience, when they turn to the audience 974 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,960 and they say, you know, Bitcoin fixes a lot of these things, it 975 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,880 carries a lot more weight, right? 976 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,120 That's how you break the Bitcoin echo chamber. 977 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,800 I think you guys were incredibly successful at that at this 978 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,360 year's conference with getting comedians like Dave Smith, 979 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,200 getting people like Russell Brand, getting people like RFK, 980 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,480 getting people like Trump. And then you guys are expanding 981 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,040 it, right? You guys are expanding to the 982 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,000 Middle East as well. And what I'm most bullish about 983 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,360 is because it's coming up, it's right around the corner is 984 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,240 Bitcoin Amsterdam. By the way, you can use promo 985 00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,800 code McShane to get 10% off your tickets. 986 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,480 Could you tell us a little bit about what you what you guys 987 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,520 have, maybe some some exclusive Intel for the simply Bitcoin 988 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,600 audience? Some exclusive Intel. 989 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,000 I think First off, I'm very, very excited. 990 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,560 This is going to be the coolest production and Bitcoin mainstage 991 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,680 you all have ever seen, guaranteed. 992 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,600 It's going to be absolutely insane. 993 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,640 I don't know if people saw what we did last year in Amsterdam. 994 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,200 It's two or three times as epic. And I can't wait to give these 995 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,760 big corners, you know, panelists, you know, these 996 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,240 fireside chats and keynotes, the the love and the production 997 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,560 quality that they deserve because they're on the world 998 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,360 stage now. And you know, we, we have to 999 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,000 scale to suit them because they're, they're absolute 1000 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,720 superstars coming out. And I think it's a really 1001 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,000 important event for Europe. I mean, we just see increasingly 1002 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:16,240 hostile Bitcoin policy and and frankly freedom policies that 1003 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:19,160 are that are gunning to take away yourself sovereignty and 1004 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,920 take away freedom of speech across countries in Europe. 1005 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,720 And we we have to have a response to that. 1006 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,920 It's very important to be there and to send our message and to 1007 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,440 make new friends and make new bit corners out of these people. 1008 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,640 100% I think it's, it's incredibly important that you 1009 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,040 have to plant the flag and you have to make your, your, your 1010 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:46,120 voice heard. 100% You can't just give up on, on a, on a specific 1011 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,160 continent specifically. Like, and I would, and I'll be 1012 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,680 honest, like, like we're complaining about the US, but 1013 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:55,480 like Europe has gone like, like right behind China, like 1014 00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,000 straight up so and, and, and, and you know, I'll, I'll even 1015 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,760 say something, I'll say like, I don't think if people were fully 1016 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,920 informed and were fully aware, I don't think they, they would go 1017 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,320 along with it. I think governments are taking 1018 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,720 advantage of the fact that people are not fully informed on 1019 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,520 Fiat and fully informed on Bitcoin. 1020 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:23,640 And that's how they're kind of sneaking in these dystopian 1021 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,840 totalitarian regulations because I think if they fully 1022 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,640 understood, they wouldn't go along with it. 1023 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,000 That's my two sats on the matter. 1024 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,800 And I do want to ask Opti have Sally dancing in front of me and 1025 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,960 it's distracting. I do want to ask Opti. 1026 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,080 Opti, you have dated Christine Lagarde in the past. 1027 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:51,360 What did you do to her for her to feel so vengeful that she's 1028 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:56,080 cracking down in Europe? Well, I pulled the card that 1029 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,520 hurts women the most, and it's when you don't commit to them. 1030 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,840 So I didn't fully commit. I tried. 1031 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,880 I, you know, I did the best I could. 1032 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,280 I wore a few silk scarves, but I just wouldn't give her 1033 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,640 commitment. And that's why she's so spurned 1034 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,560 out there. But yeah, you know, it is what 1035 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,320 it is. So my, my dating life is not 1036 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,360 what's on blast here, Nico. So let's ignore that. 1037 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,120 But I do want to mention one thing in regards to what McShane 1038 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,280 was saying before we go into some of these other topics and 1039 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,400 wrap up today's show. Nico and I, I were sitting at 1040 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,840 actually, we were texting back and forth while we were watching 1041 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,880 the DNC. And the production was 1042 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,680 incredible at the conference. It was like a Hollywood 1043 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,000 production. And I think a week or so before 1044 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,480 there was a Libertarian conference and we were 1045 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,600 mentioning like, man, that like simply Bitcoin could have done a 1046 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,680 better job at at doing the stream. 1047 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,080 And then we were kind of also joking about that the RNC 1048 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,040 production just wasn't up to par with the DNC production. 1049 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,000 And that's like, I think people underestimate how important it 1050 00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,120 is to have really good production at these events. 1051 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,440 So it is like it is an experience. 1052 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,840 And so again, kudos to you, McShane. 1053 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,040 And I'm glad that you guys are are, are seeing the same things 1054 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,800 we're seeing. And like, we got to make sure 1055 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,360 that this show that this is an experience. 1056 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,440 So yeah, I can't wait to see what the live stream and stuff 1057 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:15,720 like that. I'm not going to be in 1058 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,720 Amsterdam, Nico. Well, let me go to Amsterdam, 1059 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:19,920 but maybe next time. Maybe next time. 1060 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,480 Nico, I did see you pulled up Vegas, so you want to, you want 1061 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,720 to touch on that real quick. Yeah, absolutely. 1062 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:31,400 So there's a couple conferences coming up for for BTC Inc. 1063 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,520 Of course there is the Amsterdam that's coming up in October. 1064 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,440 There is, there is Abu Dhabi that's coming up in December, I 1065 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,560 believe. And there is the Bitcoin 2025 1066 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:50,160 conference that is happening at the Venetian in Las Vegas May 1067 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,200 27th to the 29th. My birth, No, I don't want to 1068 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,040 dox my birthday, but let's just say it's around that time. 1069 00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,760 So it's the it's, it's around that time. 1070 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,360 I didn't give you the exact date, but could you tell us a 1071 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,040 little bit about why you guys? So you guys were in Miami, which 1072 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,600 was awesome because I didn't have to get on a plane and you 1073 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,640 guys were doing the conference in my hometown. 1074 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,760 And it was kind of surreal, like seeing the Bitcoin conference 1075 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,120 literally right where I grew up. And you guys decided to pivot to 1076 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:23,640 Nashville, which was incredible. Great venue, great attendance. 1077 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:28,000 I would say Bitcoin 2021 and Bitcoin 2024. 1078 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,000 I would say Bitcoin 2024 went up that which is like, I don't, I 1079 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,120 don't know how that's possible because 2021 was historic in in 1080 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:39,040 my books. I thought the meme was that the 1081 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,720 price crashes on the conferences. 1082 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,280 What's going on here? Do price is noise, But the point 1083 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,120 is though, is that from a from a milestone from a milestone 1084 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,800 aspect and from breaking the Bitcoin echo chamber. 1085 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,120 It was it was huge. I think what you guys 1086 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:58,960 accomplished at 2024, but you guys have Bitcoin 2025 coming 1087 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,880 up. If Bitcoin continues its its 1088 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,720 price cycles, it should be the year of the bull market. 1089 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,440 So everyone should be very, very hyped and you guys decided to 1090 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,520 move it from Nashville to Las Vegas. 1091 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:14,080 So it it you it changed a little bit from staying in Miami. 1092 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,040 I think you guys stayed in Miami a couple years. 1093 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,280 To changing from Nashville to Las Vegas, what was the 1094 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,320 motivations behind that and what can you tell us? 1095 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,600 What do you have in store for Bitcoin 2025 McShane? 1096 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:29,960 Look, we got to take this show on the road. 1097 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,840 We need to plant seeds all over the world and that's kind of our 1098 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:37,000 that's kind of our mission here. I can tell you Vegas is going to 1099 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,960 be the world's largest Bitcoin conference. 1100 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,760 We're going to break our three previous records for holding 1101 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,240 that. And I'm excited to go to a 1102 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,360 completely new region and new city for me and kind of embrace 1103 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,520 the irony of Bitcoin as this, you know, speculative, you know, 1104 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:58,040 gamblers asset and just just really lean into it and onboard 1105 01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,320 new people, man, get them excited about Bitcoin. 1106 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,280 Show them the the prosperity that Bitcoiners have enjoyed the 1107 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,840 past few cycles and and and get them hyped. 1108 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,440 Could you tell us anything? Could you, could you, could you 1109 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:14,280 give us a little little sneak peek about Bitcoin 2025 in 1110 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,480 Vegas? By the way, promo code McShane 1111 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,040 is, is is available if you guys want 20 and and by the way, it's 1112 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,080 early bird tickets. So you'll, you'll be getting a 1113 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,120 very special deal on the Vegas tickets. 1114 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,680 Could you, could you tell us, McShane, could you drop us a 1115 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,240 little nugget? Oh, can I drop you? 1116 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,520 How do we outdo ourselves? Look, I've got I've got 2 events 1117 01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:39,200 until then so. Fair enough, fair enough, fair 1118 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:43,280 enough. But our track record speaks for 1119 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,600 itself. I think I this is already 1120 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,760 tracking to be the world's biggest Bitcoin conference. 1121 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,240 Those early bird tickets are key. 1122 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,920 I mean, you know, go ahead and get some, get some for your 1123 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,480 friends and family. It's not going to be one you're 1124 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,160 going to want to miss. We are on the level where there 1125 01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,600 is no one on earth that we can't get in touch with and have a 1126 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,880 conversation about coming to speak at these conferences. 1127 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,840 And that is kind of our mission right now. 1128 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,560 It's just like who are the most important people that need to 1129 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,880 get on board to help protect your rights, not only at here at 1130 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,680 home in the United States and not just from a political 1131 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,360 perspective, but from a cultural perspective as well. 1132 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,080 So I think you're going to see bigger speakers. 1133 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,440 I think you're going to see, you know, amazing production and 1134 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,640 just, it's just a good time, man. 1135 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,680 It's, it's not even just our conferences. 1136 01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,800 Like have you ever been to a Bitcoin conference where you're 1137 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,800 like, wow, that was, that was not a good time. 1138 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,520 No, these are people who think like you. 1139 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,520 We're living our day-to-day lives just having these 1140 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,920 conversations about Bitcoin. A lot of people in their heads. 1141 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,640 If you're out in a rural area or you know, a small town, there's 1142 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,800 not many Bitcoiners. Maybe your family doesn't get 1143 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,120 it. It's very important to get out 1144 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,640 and kind of network and spend time with Bitcoiners in real 1145 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,720 life. And it's, it's very affirming. 1146 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,560 It it it, it really makes you feel that, you know, I'm not 1147 01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:58,200 wrong, I'm not crazy. This is this is really not only 1148 01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,880 the future, but the present. And you could absolutely opt out 1149 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,800 with Bitcoin and, and these are the events that makes it make it 1150 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,400 happen. I would also add these are the 1151 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,680 best places to get jobs in the Bitcoin, if you want to call it 1152 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,360 an industry in Bitcoin in the world. 1153 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,560 I can't even name how many great companies in the space have been 1154 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,680 started at our events or how easy it is to meet people and 1155 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,680 start a project on the ground at the events. 1156 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,360 So I think if you're looking to exit a Fiat career, this is this 1157 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,440 is the best quote, UN quote job fair in the world for that. 1158 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,400 I completely agree. I completely agree. 1159 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:37,400 On that point, Nico and I didn't meet at Bitcoin Miami, but Niko 1160 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,440 literally came to me and was like, yo join simply Bitcoin and 1161 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,360 I'm like. At Bitcoin, at Bitcoin 100%, if 1162 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,720 you're trying to get a job in the industry, this is this is 1163 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,000 where you network. This is how you meet the right 1164 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,400 people. Before we move on, McShane, I do 1165 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,120 want to highlight this because I think this is the first, you 1166 01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,240 guys are doing a Bitcoin conference in the Middle East, 1167 01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:01,560 specifically in the United Arab Emirates in Abu Dhabi, December 1168 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,560 9th and 10th. So it is this year. 1169 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,520 What motivated you guys to do that? 1170 01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,880 You were mentioning earlier about them being huge gold bugs. 1171 01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,400 Do you think that they can transition to seeing Bitcoin as 1172 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,560 the new gold? That's my personal goal is to 1173 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:21,120 get as many people on stage destroying gold bugs as possible 1174 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,000 and to, to, to, to get them to allocate, you know, something of 1175 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,360 their crazy Arabian royalty net worth into, into Bitcoin. 1176 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,600 But along with that, this is a very exciting event because this 1177 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,640 is one day after the F1 race. We're working on a, a 1178 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,880 partnership with them. You know, one of the most 1179 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,840 viewed, you know what we call it spectator events in the world. 1180 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,080 There's going to be a number of really highly influential global 1181 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,120 leaders and leaders from North Africa and in the Middle East. 1182 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,400 There we're talking heads of state. 1183 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,680 We're talking some of the wealthiest individuals and 1184 01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,880 families and and royalty in the world. 1185 01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,040 And I think I think it's going to make quite the statement and 1186 01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,640 it's long overdue. To my knowledge, there hasn't 1187 01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,600 been a really large Bitcoin only conference there, there, there, 1188 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,920 there a lot of crypto, there's a lot of extended bloated 1189 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,600 bureaucracy in the region. And I think our message just 1190 01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:23,320 will speak truth, truth to power in that area in a way that's 1191 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,800 very refreshing for, for for people who live there, people 1192 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,440 who are looking for an alternative way to live. 1193 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,400 Absolutely spreading the Satoshi gospel guys. 1194 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,200 By the way, you can use promo code McShane again, McShane to 1195 01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,800 get 10% off any of these conferences. 1196 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,560 Highly recommend the Bitcoin 2025 and of course, Amsterdam. 1197 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,840 That's coming up. And if you live in the Middle 1198 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,120 East, Abu Dhabi, the United, the UAE is is is is a beautiful 1199 01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,760 country. You've never been there before, 1200 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,760 highly developed, very, very nice Dubai, Abu Dhabi, very, 1201 01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,040 very nice cities and and definitely worth the journey of 1202 01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,560 the the pilgrimage. Anyways, I do want to pivot the 1203 01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,000 conversation. I want to take advantage of the 1204 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,440 last couple minutes of the show. Nick, Shane, you were talking 1205 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,680 about earlier before we went on air and you actually mentioned 1206 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,480 it when you were talking about the conferences, this idea of 1207 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:17,480 unplugging, right? This idea of I think 2024 has 1208 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:22,520 been this year of of course, nostril, taking off AI, taking 1209 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:27,840 off the Twitter algos, being highly manipulative and 1210 01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,600 psychological and getting into your fields and just getting you 1211 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,080 like kind of in the fold. But you're talking about like 1212 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,280 this idea of unplugging. You're talking about this idea 1213 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,360 of just like, you know, like I, I've achieved bitcoins and I 1214 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,080 know my bitcoins in cold storage. 1215 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,680 I'm OK. I know my future generations are 1216 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:46,880 OK. My life is on track. 1217 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:48,920 I don't really have to be on social media. 1218 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,800 I don't really have to be on the web. 1219 01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:52,960 So could you talk a little bit about that? 1220 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:57,680 Because I think people are getting their dopamine receptors 1221 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:02,920 completely hijacked by these very, very sophistic, very 1222 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:08,640 sophisticated algorithms. Yeah, I think a lot of people, 1223 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,480 you know, we spend all day evangelizing for Bitcoin and and 1224 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,240 pushing people to hold it in self custody. 1225 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,840 But a not too much conversation around what do you actually do 1226 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,560 with your Bitcoin in your time, You know, several cycles in, I 1227 01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,280 think a lot of people will relate to this. 1228 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,840 You start, you know, feeling pretty comfortable. 1229 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,920 Life life is pretty easy. You're playing life on on cheap 1230 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:35,040 mode by holding Bitcoin and you need to find new challenges and 1231 01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,520 ways to push yourself. And I think one of them is 1232 01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,160 breaking up with these. You have these basically drugs 1233 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,960 that are being served to you all day through your food and 1234 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:49,720 through through the endlessly entertaining algorithms, the 1235 01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,240 centralized platforms. And I found myself at one point 1236 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,160 really almost living in service of these, you know, got to catch 1237 01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,520 the next news quick. Got to make a tweet about this, 1238 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,960 got to produce more content. And I didn't feel good, didn't 1239 01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,920 feel good in my body, didn't feel good in my mind. 1240 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,360 Got super into no sur where it was a lot more value for value 1241 01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,200 and not virtue for value. You know, people sending Bitcoin 1242 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,080 around on the web and they they, they really appreciate it when 1243 01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:21,640 you're your authentic self. And you know, I think the less 1244 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:27,000 time you spend on these sort of centralized platform platforms 1245 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,640 that are serving you up likes all day, the the better you're 1246 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,560 going to feel in your body. I think that's obvious intuitive 1247 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,200 to a lot of us, but actually doing it is, is really hard. 1248 01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,399 You know, removing those apps from your phone, setting down 1249 01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:42,880 the phone, spending more and more time outside, soaking up 1250 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,520 the sun all day is I think just an infinitely better way to 1251 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:52,640 spend your time that is that's on par with a Bitcoin lifestyle. 1252 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,800 Like that is a worthy way to spend your time, your energy, 1253 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,359 and your Bitcoin. Everyone has to make those 1254 01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,560 decisions for themselves. There's a lot of nuances, but 1255 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,120 but I'm kind of all in on that. I'm trying to move my life in a 1256 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:08,640 direction that is, you know, completely free of these, these 1257 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,319 addictions that have really snuck up on us as a society. 1258 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,160 100% they're, they're, they're, they're digital drugs, like 1259 01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,319 really like I, I, I really see it as that, like they, they're 1260 01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:22,279 able to hijack your receptors in your brain with these 1261 01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:24,600 algorithms. And before you know it, you 1262 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,800 spend a ridiculous amount of time on these apps when there's 1263 01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,279 a, you know, there's sunshine outside, there's grass to touch, 1264 01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:34,240 there's experiences to be had, right? 1265 01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,720 So anyways, we are getting to the top up of the show. 1266 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,920 McShane, I do want to give you the floor if you have any final 1267 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,240 messages for the 1442 people that are watching us live 1268 01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,200 between YouTube and X and then of course the couple 100 that 1269 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,160 are watching us between Noster and Rumble. 1270 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,480 What would those final words be? I would encourage all of you, if 1271 01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:58,720 you haven't already to give Noster a shot if you tried it, 1272 01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,240 you know, a year and a half ago, come back and see where we are 1273 01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:06,000 now and maybe even tune into this stream on ZAP dot stream 1274 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,080 next time and give it a watch. It's amazing. 1275 01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:12,040 You don't give up any user data using most of these clients, not 1276 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,000 at all. Only the information you choose 1277 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,520 to serve up. You can operate anonymously. 1278 01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,600 You know, it's a free and open source protocol and you're going 1279 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:25,240 to find yourself not being served basically engagement 1280 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,200 drugs all day. You're going to have the freedom 1281 01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:31,040 of algorithmic choice. You know, we've got a long way 1282 01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:36,520 to go to make these platforms as easy and intuitive as the other 1283 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:41,240 centralized ones with mega, you know, inflation funding. 1284 01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,240 But we're getting there, man. They're they're they're they're 1285 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,880 extremely powerful and it's extremely fun to be in a 1286 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,920 basically a niche new community. It's like finding Bitcoin in 1287 01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,240 like 2010. I I 100% agree with that because 1288 01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:59,240 I recently went through a deep platform deplatforming 1289 01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:03,760 experience and it wasn't until then that I realized the 1290 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:10,040 importance of Noster protocols over platforms. 100% agree. 1291 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,120 And then going down the nostril rabbit hole and figuring out how 1292 01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:18,680 to properly post content there. And by the way, shout out to 1293 01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,280 everyone that's helped Walker America, the CEO of Primal. 1294 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,160 I'm going to butcher your name, bro. 1295 01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:28,760 I'm sorry, Kiran and the rest of you guys have helped me through 1296 01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:34,440 this kind of Nico 2016 Bitcoin newbie question experience. 1297 01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:37,640 I appreciate you all and we're going to continue putting all of 1298 01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,360 our content on there because I really, really believe in the 1299 01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:44,080 future of the protocol. So Alex McShane, thank you so 1300 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,960 much for joining us on simply Bitcoin Live Today. 1301 01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,360 Really, really appreciate it guys. 1302 01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:52,000 Today was September 17th, 2024. This is simply Bitcoin live. 1303 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,880 I'm your host Nico is my legendary Co host Optimus Fields 1304 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:59,600 and our guest for today McShane, director of programming for BTC 1305 01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,280 Inc and the Bitcoin conference. Love you all. 1306 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,320 If you guys enjoyed the show, make sure to smash the like 1307 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,080 button, consider subscribing and share this content. 1308 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,040 That's how we get the message out there. 1309 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:14,600 Tomorrow we'll be live again from the I'm going to butcher 1310 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,360 this if I don't read this The real World Unconfiscatable Suite 1311 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,840 here in Las Vegas, NV with Tone Vase. 1312 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,760 So stay tuned for that episode. 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