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Yo. 
Only hours after Sailor 

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bombarded the Microsoft board 
with 52 slides in 3 minutes to 

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convince them to buy Bitcoin, 
the Giga Chad went on the 

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national news and gave another 
master class. 

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Will Microsoft be able to resist
the Bitcoin playbook? 

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I don't know we'll see let's 
check out the clip and then 

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we'll talk about it. 
Let's check it out Tell. 

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Me what you think or told 
Microsoft that they should do 

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and and what are the chances 
that happen? 

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Microsoft is buying its own 
stock back. 

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It's buying bonds. 
It's dividing out cash flows. 

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If they simply swept their 
existing cash into Bitcoin, it 

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probably adds a trillion of the 
market cap and $150.00 to the 

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share price. 
If they converted the dividend 

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into Bitcoin as another $150.00 
to the share price, Another 

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trillion to the market cap. 
If they replace the buybacks 

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with Bitcoin, instead of 
surrendering the capital, they 

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invest the capital adds another 
trillion dollars and $150.00 to 

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the share price. 
If they just take a little bit 

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of leverage, they basically take
10% leverage on a, on a huge 

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stack of Bitcoin, they add 
another trillion. 

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So what I'm saying is instead of
surrendering the capital and and

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then leveraging up the company, 
right now Microsoft trades at 20

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times forward expectations. 
So what you're, what you're or, 

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or I'll say it, 95% of the 
enterprise value of Microsoft is

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based on expectations is the 
best way to say it, right? 

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And that means it has it's very 
asset poor. 

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It's expectation rich. 
Why don't you actually buy 

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assets and instead of being 95% 
on expectations be 50% on 

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expectations de risk the company
grow the enterprise value and 

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and feed the digital economy of 
the future. 

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What was the response? 
The shareholder meeting is 

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December 10th. 
We'll find out. 

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What do you expect? 
Glazed eyes. 

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I don't have any illusions that 
mega corporations are going to 

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immediately embrace Bitcoin. 
But what I do think is it's 

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going to become part of the 
conversation and there are about

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120 companies that are public 
that are starting to hold 

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Bitcoin right now. 
There are a lot of Bitcoin 

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standard companies like Mara, 
like similar, like Metaplanet, 

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like you know, Rumble is getting
into the business and as they 

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start to buy Bitcoin and issue 
fixed income securities and 

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equity securities, you're going 
to see demand increase. 

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So what inning are we in, you 
think? 

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Sorry. 
What inning? 

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It feels like we're in like the 
second inning of of, of all, or 

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even, maybe not even. 
Yeah, I, I think we get into the

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third inning when we cross 
$100,000. 

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That's the third right now. 
We're still early. 

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I think that there's. 
A softball game, it could might 

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be a twilight doubleheader even 
might might be or, you know, 

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maybe 13 or 14 innings. 
Michael, thank you. 

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I'm going to go home and think 
some more. 

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I, I think on this after you 
come in and then my head starts 

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hurting and then then I give up.
But thank you, Joe. 

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You're welcome. 
I'd like to tie SO. 

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Why is everyone's head spinning?
Why is Michael Saylor just 

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blowing Wall Street out of the 
water? 

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Why is everyone so confused? 
Why is everyone looking at this 

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and saying, what is this guy 
doing? 

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Well, take a look at the market 
cap of MicroStrategy. 

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You want to talk about a 20 year
vindication? 

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Here it is so back in the 
infamous.com boom and bust. 

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His market cap micro strategies 
market cap peaked at $10.87 

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billion. 
It literally went sideways from 

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2001 to 2020. 
Only gained about $900 million 

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in market cap in those 20 years 
and the 20. 

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The 20 year vindication started 
when he started the Bitcoin 

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strategy. 
Microstrategy's market cap was 

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roughly at one point two 1.3 
billion. 

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Fast forward four years later, 
I'm kind of like, excuse my 

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language, fuck, maybe I should 
have put 25% of my net worth in 

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micro strategy because he 
literally 80 exed it. 

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Or like 60 exed the market cap 
of micro strategy. 

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That is absolutely insane. 
That is the 20 year vindication,

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I think is a testament of never 
giving up. 

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And here's some of the slides 
from yesterday's video, which 

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you guys loved yesterday's shows
all time high. 

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We appreciate all the supporters
think the show ended up with 

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like 20,000 views, 40,000 views 
and listens across all 

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platforms. 
And it's not even the end of the

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week. 
So that's pretty effing crazy. 

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We appreciate you guys like the 
Smash the Like button if you 

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guys are enjoying today's show, 
but here's some screenshots from

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yesterday's yesterday's 
presentation. 

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Michael Saylor only had three 
minutes to make a presentation 

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for the Microsoft board to 
convince them to buy Bitcoin. 

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So here are some of the slides 
that really popped out to me. 

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First one, what if you could buy
$100 billion, $100 billion 

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company growing at 60% per year 
at 1X revenue? 

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What if this company was more 
profitable than your own? 

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And then he kind of like lays it
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We've gone through what the the 
different strategies are based 

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on Michael Saylor's open source 
calculator, which we've used on 

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a simply Bitcoin before. 
You guys absolutely loved that 

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episode as well. 
The episode is called How much 

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Bitcoin do you need to retire? 
The one that had 16,000 views or

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so. 
But anyways, these are kind of 

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different models based on what 
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then based on what model 
Microsoft decides to use. 

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Michael Saylor is making the 
case that that the board could 

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add 1 trillion to $4.9 trillion 
worth of shareholder value just 

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by buying Bitcoin, just by 
having exposure to Bitcoin. 

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So not even changing the 
business model, not even 

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changing their operations, not 
even increasing revenue, just by

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diverting the cash or cash 
equivalents, a percentage of 

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those and putting into Bitcoin. 
This is how much shareholder 

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value Microsoft can unlock. 
This is the case that Sailor is 

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making. 
Also, another way of looking at 

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it, this is in terms of share 
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So goes from $155, that's what 
they kind of minimum Bitcoin 

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exposure to a, you know, balls 
deep kind of Bitcoin exposure. 

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What Sailor coins, the triple 
maxi $584 worth of share value 

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increase. 
And again, Microsoft doesn't 

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have to change anything. 
They don't have to come up with 

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a different revenue model or 
come up with a different 

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business strategy. 
No, none of that. 

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All they have to do is divert 
some of their cash, treasure 

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some of their cash reserves or 
cash equivalent and put it into 

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Bitcoin. 
By the way, this is something, 

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this phenomenon is not just 
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This phenomenon is happening, I 
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Marathon announced recently that
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MicroStrategy playbook and today
we have a dear friend of the 

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show, CEO and founder of 
Bitcoin, well, Adam O'Brien 

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himself. 
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they are the first Canada's 
first publicly traded Bitcoin 

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exchange to adopt A Bitcoin 
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planning $2,000,000 in bonds to 
stack more. 

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So we also have Brandon from 
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awesome podcast, incredible 
content creator, love Bitcoin 

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content creators coming on the 
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Adam, I'm going to pass it on to
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What is happening here? 
I mean, you could just tell by 

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squawk's face. 
He he even said at the end he's 

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like, I'm confused. 
But thank you Sailor. 

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Thank you for confusing me. 
So what is happening? 

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Did did Sailor find the infinite
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Are you guys are you guys 
implementing the infinite money 

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glitch? 
What is going on? 

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What is taking wall stream by 
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Adam, the floor is yours. 
Yeah, man, I mean it seems like 

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there is a window. 
Look, the way that I see this 

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and for those, for those that 
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been, yeah, I've been calling 
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I, I think there's a window of 
opportunity where this is very, 

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very good and it has potential 
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time. 
The underlying business is 

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important. 
I think the way that we're doing

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it is effectively giving a 
convertible debt on, on our 

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business, which is going to be 
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We're paying interest in shares.
This is from my perspective, an 

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equity product that gives the 
the convertible debt holder a 

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little bit of security because 
at the end of the day, it's 

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still, it's still a debt owned 
by the company and we're going 

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to take that cash and we're 
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And so it does create a little 
bit of positive arbitrage in 

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that the way that we're 
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And it's a little bit different 
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we're way smaller and in 
Canadian micro cap land isn't 

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the same as you know, micro 
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as a now $100 billion company. 
But the way that we've got it 

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structured is we borrow money 
once it converts, then that debt

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goes away and then there's a 
warrant for the the debt holder 

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as well, which means they get to
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So it's very attractive to the 
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And from our perspective, we 
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different intervals, once kind 
of right away as the share price

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increases and then once as the 
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And so if this works and it 
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will have, we will take the 
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will do good business 
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Those two things should you 
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Positive results means share 
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Share price goes up means the 
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The debt goes away means the 
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As the share price goes up, more
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We buy Bitcoin, do good business
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And so I think it's less of a 
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of a steward of shareholder 
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Fiat markets at work. 
We have the ability to issue 

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equity in our company, which 
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We have the ability to then take
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invest in our Bitcoin business. 
So we're heavily stocked up on 

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on Bitcoin exposure. 
And I think doubling, tripling, 

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quadrupling down on Bitcoin 
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for our business certainly. 
Absolutely, man dude, I will 

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first of all, Adam, what I got 
to say is, you know, to how long

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could people keep this up before
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I. 
Think there's a? 

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There's a. 
Second point of being 1st and 

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This is why like, so I've been 
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for probably two months now 
poking holes, you know, finding 

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the problems that I didn't like,
you know, a big one's going to 

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be the custody thing. 
You know, I think that like 

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Sailor is, is like the way that 
the debt converts was, was was 

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my miss at first. 
If it converts on the way up, 

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then all those liabilities go 
away and, and that kind of fixes

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the problem. 
But there will come a time when 

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you will no longer get the 
insane premium on just simply 

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owning Bitcoin. 
And that happens ironically, 

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like if I'm going to if if I'm 
going to watch Microsoft adopt A

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Bitcoin strategy and then 
Apple's going to do it and then 

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Amazon's going to do it and then
Tesla's going to do it 

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eventually. 
You know, right now there's no 

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real competition for that, for 
that, that level of exposure 

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where an operating business can 
borrow an issue equity to stack 

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cheap stats. 
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space, or you know, what if half
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that premium comes down 
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Just, you know, like the free 
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And so probably we have a window
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bureaucracy, thanks to these, 
you know, incredibly lengthy and

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bureaucratic shareholder 
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decision making process of these
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That's our window of time. 
Because at the end of the day, 

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to Sailor's point, like, why do 
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Why on earth are you holding an 
asset guaranteed to go down in 

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value? 
And we've seen businesses try to

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prop this up with real estate or
with, you know, other 

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investments like look at 
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Like you've seen this, you've 
seen people try to do this, you 

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just kind of have a guaranteed 
return in Bitcoin and people are

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going to figure that over the 
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And I think that's the window. 
It's interesting you say that 

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because it was, I remember it 
was Mauricio from Lend. 

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He he made the same case, right?
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because people don't, there is 
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filled up by someone else. 
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like you said, sometimes people 
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fascinating. 
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know if Saylor did this on 
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hindsight, it looks like a 4D 
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shareholders perspective because
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following that strategy as well.
Do you want to add to that? 

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Yeah, man. 
So like if you look at our at 

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our stock price, so we're like 
we're a micro cap in Canada 

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worth less than 100 million 
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we're called Bitcoin. 
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looks the same. 
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a hyper volatile version of 
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also Bitcoin go down, Bitcoin 
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My job as the CEO is to make 
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Bitcoin well go up more and then
limit Bitcoin go or Bitcoin well

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go down more. 
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to do that is to cash up with 
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the Fiat instruments that are 
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markets. 
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yesterday and like we've had 
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We opened this up yesterday. 
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far. 
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for something like this and 
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think is very, again, very 
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this, on this first go around. 
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yeah, we're going to look at the
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the sailor playbook what we like
probably adopt more, a lot more 

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self custody than you know, 
we're not going to pile more 

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coins into the honeypot that is 
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We're going to, we're going to 
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company. 
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my goal is that our shareholders
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our shareholders. 
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kind of vision cast a few months
ago of the Bitcoin super company

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creating an environment where we
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Bitcoin standard, kind of be the
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Bitcoin and self custody and the
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And this is another tool in our,
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So it's, it's been crazy. 
I've spent, I think I tweeted 

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last night the words, I've spent
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investment bankers over the last
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and organizing this and kind of 
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different debts going to be 
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there called a pick a payment in
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to pay, we, we pay the interest 
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typically debt. 
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in the past out of a, out of a 
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some desperation during, you 
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And, and what I've learnt is 
the, the debt is holding us back

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from growth. 
The debt is holding us back from

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stacking. 
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very anti debt. 
That would be punitive to our 

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operations and to helping us 
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But payment in kind means we're 
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taking debt have some security, 
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So these are investors that are 
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success, not just, you know, 
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free warrant. 
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distinction that I think is 
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also from the shareholders 
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it creates this awesome, 
everyone's got aligned 

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incentives here where typically 
in a debt, in a debt 

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environment, you've got maybe 
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I think we're lucky that we have
the ability to have aligned 

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incentives across our 
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and you know, us as the company,
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Beautiful, beautiful. 
I'm a big fan of aligned 

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incentives. 
What it is what makes Bitcoin 

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tick anyways guys shout out to 
the 1600 of you guys watching 

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Also, we have Brandon. 

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Brandon is one of my favorite 
Bitcoin only content creators. 

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His incredible YouTube channel 
does great interviews. 

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Brandon, how you doing today? 
Welcome to Simply Bitcoin. 

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Brandon, you are muted my 
friend. 

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That is a rookie. 
What is going on? 

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I thought you were a content. 
Creator come on, man, come on, I

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that's that's on me hand up. 
I messed up on that one, but I'm

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hyped to be here boys. 
I mean how could you not be with

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this news going on Michael 
Saylor orange peeling Microsoft,

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I mean it's absolutely unreal. 
So shout out to Adam too for 

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doing the same strategy. 
But I don't know, I was 

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backstage just sitting here 
getting a little fidgety boys. 

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So I did a little math here to, 
to, to bring to the show. 

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So it's, it's pocket math. 
So don't hate me for it, but I 

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was looking at micro Microsoft's
market cap $3.197 trillion 

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comparatively to micro strategy,
it's at 76.79 billion. 

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I, I think my pocket math has 
that as 41 times bigger than 

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micro strategy. 
And you know, if Microsoft was a

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country, it would be bigger than
France as if you're looking at a

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nominal GDP. 
So I mean, this is absolutely 

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huge. 
I mean, he said that, you know, 

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we're in the third inning here 
or the 1st inning. 

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Excuse me, just kind of, you 
know, waiting for Bitcoin to 

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cross that 100 Ki mean once this
vote comes out, man, I, I mean, 

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it might be tough to scoop up 
some of these cheap sats. 

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So I'm excited for the future 
and yeah, excited to be here. 

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And thank you guys so much for 
for having me. 

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Well, dude, thank you so much 
for coming on the show guys stay

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tuned because we have a whole 
lot of content. 

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We Opti hasn't even spoken yet. 
We're 20 minutes in. 

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This is. 
I'm here just to look, pretty 

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guys. 
I'm here just to look. 

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Listen bro, you didn't have to 
look like a hunter because Adam 

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was joining the show today. 
I'm, I'm just kind of cold guys 

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don't mind me I'm I'm, I'm cold 
in my apartment. 

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I think it's getting winter here
and I need to turn on the 

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heater. 
So This is why I'm. 

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Dude, I drove here in the 
snowman. 

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It's been I've been in a parka 
for two. 

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You gotta you gotta you gotta 
change your perspective bro. 

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Hey, I am not, I am not up north
in the winter, you know. 

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So winter is just coming for me,
Adam. 

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OK, just hit me like last week. 
All right, guys, we have a ton 

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of content for you guys. 
We have James Lavish responding 

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to Michael Saylor's infinite 
money glitch. 

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And of course, it seems like the
European Union is going down the

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totalitarian path. 
We have talks of digital IDs. 

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We have talks of central bank 
digital currencies, and 

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yesterday in the French 
parliament they were talking 

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about taxing unrealized capital 
gains. 

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Well, it looks like France is 
going to have fun staying poor, 

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so stay tuned guys as we have a 
load of content and during the 

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culture segment, we're going to 
talk to Adam O'Brien. 

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We're going to talk to Brandon 
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block height 870,100 SAT's per 
dollar 1045 market cap 1.89 

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trillion Bitcoin priced in gold 
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market cap 10.29% Percentage 
issued 94.24% Decline from all 

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time high -4.1% realized 
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Continuing to take Fiat 
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Anyways, I love this idea of 
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chamber and for some reason 
people still believe that the 

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legacy media, mainstream media 
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But if you look at the raw 
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media is taking its place. 
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about the prestige. 
There's something about, you 

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know, the chyrons and the, and 
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they're professionally spoken 
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that makes it super legit and to
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And you know, we all have to 
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content, we make Bitcoin, we 
make content for other 

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bitcoiners. 
It's so our goal is really to 

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break that echo chamber. 
And the way you do that is by 

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00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,800
going on the legacy media and 
talking about Bitcoin. 

451
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,720
So here's a friend of the show, 
James Lavish, who recently went 

452
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,760
on Charles Payne, which is a 
show of he's an anchor on Fox 

453
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,720
Business. 
I have the clip for you guys. 

454
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,120
I'll play it. 
It's about 5 minutes long. 

455
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,160
I don't know if we'll get 
through the entire thing and 

456
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,160
then we'll talk about it with 
the. 

457
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,000
Over Elon Musk. 
Because nobody right now is 

458
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,240
rattling the cages of 
traditional Wall Street more 

459
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,880
than Michael Saylor. 
And of course, it's the same 

460
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,880
crowd of naysayers who lost 
billions of dollars shorting 

461
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,960
Tesla. 
And while they're at it again 

462
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,160
with their friends in a 
financial media taunting 

463
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,360
Bitcoin, Michael Saylor. 
And of course, all the suckers 

464
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,840
who are drinking the Kool-aid. 
Nobody would call my next guest 

465
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,280
a sucker, but I think he's 
ranking the kool-aid too. 

466
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,800
Want to bring a Bitcoin 
opportunity to fund Co managing 

467
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,040
partner James Lavish? 
You know, James, explain the 

468
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,880
value proposition for those at 
the back of the room who haven't

469
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,000
been paying attention. 
Yeah, well, it's good to be 

470
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,280
here, Charles. 
Thank you for having me. 

471
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,240
Drinking the kool-aid is a good 
way to put it. 

472
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,080
But look, Michael has come up 
with a brilliant strategy at 

473
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,160
Micro Strategy, and people are 
calling it a money glitch for a 

474
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,680
reason. 
Why? 

475
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,520
Because Michael has found a way 
to issue stock and make it 

476
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,800
immediately accretive for his 
shareholders. 

477
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,880
This is something that Wall 
Street is not used to. 

478
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,960
Normally you issue shares, you 
do a secondary and it's usually 

479
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,640
dilutive unless you can do 
something very quickly to make 

480
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,040
to to create some value for your
shareholders. 

481
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,120
Well, what he does is he's 
borrowing money and buying 

482
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,320
Bitcoin with it. 
So just for instance, if he 

483
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,560
issues $100 million of stock and
he buys $100 million of Bitcoin,

484
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,360
the stock goes up 200 to $300 
million in market value and it's

485
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,720
immediately accretive, not 
dilutive. 

486
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,600
And that's because people 
understand what he's doing. 

487
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,920
The people who are buying a 
stock understand what he's doing

488
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,920
and that he's and he's creating 
this, this value for them, this 

489
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,960
underlying value for him. 
The other thing he's doing is 

490
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,760
he's issuing convertible debt 
and he can do that. 

491
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,640
Charles at near 0 yield or the 
last one he did was $3 billion 

492
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,600
for 0% yield. 
And why can he do that? 

493
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,960
He can do it because the MSTR 
stock is underlying. 

494
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,920
His stock is volatile and it's 
volatile because of the 

495
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,080
underlying holding Bitcoin, but 
it's also volatile to the 

496
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:21,280
upside, which creates, which 
creates optionality for his, his

497
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,240
buyers. 
And so he's able to issue this, 

498
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,240
this, these converts at almost 0
yield because there's 

499
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,320
optionality for those hedge 
funds to buy that convert debt 

500
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,640
and trade around it. 
And then ultimately they'll look

501
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,160
to, they'll look to convert it 
into the underlying stock and 

502
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,840
they'll get value from that as 
well. 

503
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,840
So, James, we're going to put up
a chart showing micro strategy 

504
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,760
and Bitcoin itself. 
MSTR significantly outperformed 

505
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,640
the the the the the the value 
proposition that you just 

506
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,440
described. 
Is it? 

507
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,320
Is that the only thing? 
Is there some other sort of 

508
00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,320
arbitrage situation going on? 
You know, I, I, I would think 

509
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,760
that there are hedge funds that 
are trying to arbitrage this and

510
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,920
that would be buying Bitcoin or 
buying Bitcoin futures and then 

511
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,720
shorting micro strategy, which I
would say is a pretty dangerous 

512
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,000
strategy. 
I wouldn't be doing that myself,

513
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,480
but the reason is what I just 
said is that it's trading at a 

514
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,680
multiple because he's creating 
Bitcoin, underlying Bitcoin by 

515
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,880
borrowing money against it. 
And as you go into the future, 

516
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,840
these these shares would be 
worth more because of that 

517
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,640
underlying Bitcoin. 
Now how long this goes on for 

518
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,080
it's, it's hard to say, but it 
can go on for a very long time. 

519
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,240
If if you he's right now 
trading, if you take all the 

520
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,960
shares, dilute all of them out 
and and assume that every single

521
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,600
share is converted from all 
those converts, he's trading at 

522
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:48,040
about a 2.7 multiple of shares, 
the share price to the 

523
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,480
underlying Bitcoin. 
Leave it at their. 

524
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,960
I mean leave it at that spot. 
I mean, that sounded very, very 

525
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,960
similar to what Adam was saying 
in the beginning, Adam. 

526
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,760
Like my, my question to you is 
like, why should people buy 

527
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,400
Bitcoin if they could just buy 
Bitcoin, well, stock or 

528
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,960
MicroStrategy? 
Why should people buy Bitcoin if

529
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,160
you don't? 
MicroStrategy is outperforming. 

530
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,960
I think that's the question on a
lot of people's minds. 

531
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,320
We got a lot of comments 
regarding that on yesterday's 

532
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,800
episode. 
What are your thoughts, Adam? 

533
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,200
Yeah, man. 
I mean, Bitcoin, well, and micro

534
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,800
strategies are not Bitcoin. 
I think sailors said this 

535
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,080
himself. 
And I would certainly fall in 

536
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,960
this camp, too. 
In 50 years, you know, I'll be 

537
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,080
like an old senile man. 
And who knows, you know, where 

538
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,520
the company is going to be. 
It'll be worth trillions of 

539
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,440
dollars at that point. 
But I'm not too sure it'll be, 

540
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,520
you know, in 50 years I'll be 
like 80. 

541
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,200
You probably don't want me 
running this ship, but Bitcoin 

542
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,240
will just be TikTok. 
Nice block baby. 

543
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,760
And so I think you buy Bitcoin 
for freedom, you buy Bitcoin for

544
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,720
security, you buy Bitcoin 
because it's guaranteed 

545
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,560
bitcoins, guaranteed 
generational wealth. 

546
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,640
I don't care what you have to 
say otherwise you're wrong. 

547
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,960
It's guaranteed generational 
wealth and Bitcoin, well, micro 

548
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,320
strategies, you know, Mara, 
these other groups that are 

549
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,960
adopting generational wealth, 
they got a good shot at, you 

550
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,320
know, progressing into 
generations, but you're still 

551
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,600
reliant. 
There's still, there's still 

552
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,000
single points of failure. 
I am a single point of failure 

553
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,720
at Bitcoin. 
Well, 'cause if I make a wrong 

554
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,640
decision, the company's going to
suffer because of it. 

555
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,280
Sailor is a single point of 
failure. 

556
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,480
Coinbase in the micro strategies
charade is a single point of 

557
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,520
failure. 
Those exist in these games. 

558
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,440
And so I think it's just a risk 
that you need to be comfortable 

559
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,240
with before you jump in. 
They're attractive risks. 

560
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,560
They're seemingly hedged in this
day and age, but the risks 

561
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,120
nonetheless. 
And I think that you got to go 

562
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,880
into with the eyes open, Bitcoin
is not Bitcoin well or is not 

563
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,640
micro strategies or is not Mara 
or Microsoft or any of these 

564
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,600
other companies. 
And I think that's the key 

565
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,360
difference is just, you know, 
one is guaranteed generational 

566
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,200
wealth, programmable protocol 
driven money. 

567
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:19,080
The other is a company ran run 
by a handful of individuals that

568
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,080
are free to make the decisions 
that they think is best. 

569
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,680
That's a good answer, but still 
an adx Adam, an adx bro, an adx 

570
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,160
I'm. 
I'm I'm shooting for an ADX. 

571
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,240
I'm going to make the MSTRI 
think. 

572
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,360
Actually I. 
You're you you, but the Bitcoin 

573
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,600
well stock has outperformed 
well. 

574
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,560
We might be neck and neck now, 
but we were up 700% on the year 

575
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:47,920
where they were up 560%. 
But again, like it's all, it's 

576
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,880
all a risk calc. 
You mean you also you couldn't 

577
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,920
buy $10 million worth of 
Bitcoin? 

578
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,840
Well, stock because it'll pump 
it to like 10 bucks or something

579
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,720
dumb. 
And so like, yeah, there's just 

580
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,640
all kinds of other 
considerations you need to make 

581
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,200
when you think about, yeah, I 
don't even look at Bitcoin as an

582
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,160
investment. 
I look at Bitcoin as savings. 

583
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,440
I think I've said that even on 
the show before. 

584
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,800
Bitcoin is a freedom tool. 
Bitcoin is a tool for your 

585
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,800
grandkids. 
Bitcoin is savings. 

586
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,440
That's where your excess capital
goes. 

587
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,280
You know, you should take your 
gains from a Bitcoin, well, from

588
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,560
an MSTR and put it into Bitcoin.
You should save it in Bitcoin. 

589
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,000
But yeah, if you got some, if 
you got some money to go to the 

590
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,320
Fiat, you know, the Fiat world, 
probably a Bitcoin company 

591
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,320
running a Bitcoin standard is 
like a pretty good move in my 

592
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,920
opinion. 
But I'm also in the biased 

593
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,360
chair, so let's rock'n'roll. 
And yeah, I'd love to make the 

594
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,520
MSTR gains look like flat, so 
we'll see. 

595
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,560
Love it, love it guys. 
You're listening to simply 

596
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,000
Bitcoin live. 
We just broke 500 live viewers 

597
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,199
on YouTube and between all 
platforms. 

598
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:56,280
We just broke 2000 live viewers.
Help us break 200 likes within 

599
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,680
the 1st 45 minutes of the show. 
I'm going to pass it on to 

600
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,920
Brandon. 
Brandon, same question to you, 

601
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,960
my friend. 
Why should people buy Bitcoin 

602
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,720
instead of MicroStrategy or 
Bitcoin? 

603
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,600
Well. 
Yeah, I mean, I, I really like 

604
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,960
to Adam's answer there where 
Bitcoin to me is, is more 

605
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,440
savings technology opposed to, 
you know, buying a stock. 

606
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,800
There is, you know, the single 
point of failure. 

607
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,240
There's all these different 
kinds of regulations that a 

608
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:28,880
company can, you know, face 
Michael Saylor could, I don't 

609
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,440
know, get in some hot water or 
something like that. 

610
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,400
You know, I mean, they could be 
coming at him. 

611
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,800
We even saw it last year. 
I think the state of Washington 

612
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,960
tried to come at Michael Saylor 
for some tax evasion or 

613
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,080
something along those lines. 
So I think like, you know, just 

614
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,600
having that single point of 
failure is, you know, a big take

615
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,280
away from all this. 
But I also think that you should

616
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,240
support Bitcoin companies as 
well that are trying to live on 

617
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:57,320
a quote UN quote Bitcoin 
standard, trying to help bring 

618
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,520
along, you know, traditional 
finance. 

619
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,640
And so, yeah, I mean, I think 
it, there's room for a micro 

620
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,440
strategy Bitcoin well in your 
portfolio. 

621
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,320
But I think, you know, if you're
saving, there's nothing better 

622
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,520
in on planet Earth that's ever 
been created than owning Bitcoin

623
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,400
and being able to hold that 
privately yourself, hold your 

624
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,000
own keys and and kind of move it
forward that way. 

625
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,160
You know, there also is ways to 
diversify like we've kind of 

626
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,560
gone over and I think, you know,
it's definitely a benefit to 

627
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,440
hold Bitcoin over, you know, a 
company's stock. 

628
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,680
But there's always some room for
for a little diversification to 

629
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,320
say the very least. 
Love that. 

630
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,440
So what I get from both Adam and
Brandon is fuck Bitcoin and go 

631
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,200
all in on MicroStrategy and 
Bitcoin. 

632
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,160
Well, Opti, do you agree? 
Well, I mean, in hindsight, 

633
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:52,840
looking at MicroStrategy games, 
it's kind of hard to, you know, 

634
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,040
fight it. 
Like we were joking earlier, 

635
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,880
like, man, we're idiot. 
We should have just bought 

636
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,600
MicroStrategy and got all in 
like and, and honest, like I, 

637
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,240
you know, in Full disclosure, I,
I don't actually condone that, 

638
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,480
but I have seen a lot of people 
kind of do that on Twitter. 

639
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,840
They're just like, I'm selling 
all my Bitcoin and going micro 

640
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,600
strategy. 
And when I saw the initial 

641
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,760
grumblings of this, I'm like, 
man, that's a dumb move. 

642
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,000
Like I would never do that. 
But you know, when you look at 

643
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,560
the Fiat games, you're like, 
man, maybe we're the dumb ones 

644
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,480
here, But no, I, I think what, 
what Adam is saying is really 

645
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,440
like hitting the nail on the 
head because I don't, I don't 

646
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,000
really like to trade. 
I don't want to trade. 

647
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,600
Even though looking again, you 
know, hindsight's 2020 and 

648
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,520
looking back at the micro 
MicroStrategy stock price, 

649
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,760
you're like, man, we should have
all probably bought some 

650
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,320
MicroStrategy, but now it is 
feeling toppy. 

651
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,880
And I'm like, I don't know how, 
how much higher can this go? 

652
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,800
I don't want to buy the 
MicroStrategy top and sell some 

653
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,800
Bitcoin for that. 
And I, I'm kind of like, you 

654
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,720
know, jokingly, the 65 IQ type 
of person here. 

655
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,280
I just like to save money under 
my mattress. 

656
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,280
And to me, that is Bitcoin. 
And you know, as, as Adam was 

657
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,200
saying, like the guaranteed 
generational wealth here is 

658
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,800
Bitcoin. 
And so the game for me is just 

659
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,240
stack as much Bitcoin as 
possible. 

660
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,800
But hey, if you do have money in
the Fiat system, like I think 

661
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,160
it'd be dumb not to at least get
some MicroStrategy or Bitcoin. 

662
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,240
Well, exposure or merit exposure
because like, what else are you 

663
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,360
going to do? 
You're going to leave that money

664
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,400
in treasuries or, you know, 
you're going to go into NVIDIA, 

665
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,480
which I think is an even bigger 
bubble than any of these other 

666
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,600
stocks out there. 
Like I'm not convinced in the 

667
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,720
whole AI craze that we're 
seeing. 

668
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,640
To me that is feelinglikethe.com
bubble. 

669
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,600
But hey, NVIDIA is also doing 
pretty well and MicroStrategy is

670
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,480
outperforming all that. 
And so it you know, looking at 

671
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,600
the paper gains, you're like, 
man, I should have bought some. 

672
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,840
I definitely should have bought 
some. 

673
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,800
But now I'm like, no, I'm I'm 
cool, you know, stay humble 

674
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,200
stacks ads saving Bitcoin as 
much as possible because the the

675
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,560
game here is like what you know,
Adam and I have stole from our 

676
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,160
boy Nick can't mine is you don't
stack stats for your first name.

677
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,840
You stack it for your last name.
And holding Bitcoin long term, 

678
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,560
we all know is the play. 
But it is very interesting that 

679
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,120
we are in this little window of 
time right now where there is a 

680
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,320
premium for, you know, Bitcoin 
well, or MicroStrategy, 

681
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,760
whoever's doing, you know, the 
quote UN quote infinite money 

682
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,320
glitch. 
Like there is a short time frame

683
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,040
and this could be years, like 
this could be a decade to play 

684
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,920
out. 
But there is this period of time

685
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,560
right now where there is a lot 
of games to to capitalize on. 

686
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,080
And hey, you know, if you are 
someone with money in the Fiat 

687
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,160
system, I think it's a no 
brainer. 

688
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,680
But I do want to pivot this a 
little bit, Nico, because I, I 

689
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,760
really want to emphasize, we 
always talk about the Overton 

690
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,400
window here. 
And I love seeing James Lavish 

691
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,520
be on, you know, Charles Payne 
on Fox News basically, you know,

692
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,000
we, we've all heard these 
conversations in Bitcoin 

693
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,880
podcast. 
I'm sure we all love James 

694
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,920
Lavish. 
But for him to go on Fox News 

695
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,080
and, and essentially talk about 
all the things we talk about is 

696
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,400
really a testament to the idea 
of Bitcoin signal going 

697
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,240
mainstream. 
And like how big of a firestorm 

698
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,240
the micro strategy is speaking 
right now on Wall Street, Like 

699
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,680
everyone has to be taking or 
paying attention to what 

700
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,240
MicroStrategy is doing right 
now. 

701
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,880
And I think this is all good for
Bitcoin because as Adam was 

702
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,440
saying again, like even Sailor 
is saying, like, no, the winning

703
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,880
move is just buying Bitcoin. 
Yes, my stock is doing well, but

704
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,880
that is the signal here. 
And more people are catching on 

705
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,520
to this. 
And we'll see who else follows 

706
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,000
suits by the end of this year 
and the beginning of next year 

707
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,040
that hey guys, all you have to 
do is just buy Bitcoin and your 

708
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,320
life gets better, you know? 
Your purchasing power increases 

709
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,960
and that's the signal here 
that's going wildfire and 

710
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,880
everyone's trying to wrap their 
heads around it. 

711
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,520
You know, of course, Wall Street
and traders, they love to 

712
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,560
overcomplicate things. 
And you know, Sailor putting on 

713
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,840
a master class out there, he's 
like, no, guys, just buy 

714
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,440
Bitcoin. 
Like that's all you have to do 

715
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,480
is buy Bitcoin. 
But yeah, hey, if you want to 

716
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,520
buy my stock, like pump my bags 
too, but like all you have to do

717
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,480
is buy Bitcoin. 
So it is a testament to 

718
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,240
something we've been saying on 
the show all year. 

719
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Bitcoin is crossing that Rubicon
into mainstream consciousness. 

720
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,680
And now everyone has to take 
Bitcoin seriously and you just 

721
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,560
love to see it. 
I think 2025 is going to be an 

722
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,880
incredible year for price action
and let's just hope that we can 

723
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,360
ensure the freedom go up aspects
of Bitcoin while we do it. 100% 

724
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:16,040
guys, we blew past our target. 
Help us now break 250 likes 

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show. 

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We just reached 550 live viewers
on YouTube and 2200 live viewers

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Stay tuned. 
We have a ton of content left 

731
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,280
for you guys. 
We're going to be talking about 

732
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,160
digital IDs, the digital Euro, 
and of of course, the unrealized

733
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,000
gains proposed in France. 
I feel like this unrealized 

734
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,480
gains thing is is going to 
continue to accelerate as 

735
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,240
predicted by the book The 
Sovereign individual. 

736
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:56,280
You guys know that I love that 
book highly recommend it Got so 

737
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,120
many things right got a couple 
things wrong, but I got a lot of

738
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,080
things right. 
So we're going to talk about all

739
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,240
that during the news segment and
stay tuned for the culture too, 

740
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,600
because we're going to talk to 
Brandon and Adam O'Brien about 

741
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,520
what they're working on. 
All right, everybody, let's 

742
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,040
let's get to the news. 
We'll be right back. 

743
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is distracted because he should 
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foundation devices. 
It makes it easy to take self 

774
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custody of your Bitcoin. 
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Come with Opti. 
That I didn't say that YouTube 

781
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and that was a joke anyways, so 
let's get to today's news. 

782
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,880
Dude, I don't know what the F is
going on in Europe out there for

783
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,160
a month. 
And I felt it. 

784
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,560
I felt the collectivism in the 
air. 

785
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,360
They're just going down this 
path of tyranny. 

786
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,840
They're going down this path of 
it just never ended well. 

787
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:59,880
And here's I guess a a member of
the parliament talking about the

788
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:05,680
upcoming digital ID and the 
upcoming digital euro, which 

789
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,040
they renamed. 
It's no longer a central bank 

790
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,640
digital currency. 
They did a bait and switch after

791
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,600
all the crap that we gave them 
on Twitter. 

792
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,920
Now it's called a digital euro. 
Let's check it out. 

793
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:21,080
I just left the room where we 
had the negotiations about the 

794
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,040
digital identity and I have bad 
news. 

795
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,680
The member States and the 
European Parliament came to an 

796
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,760
agreement that means that 
probably not far from now the 

797
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:38,000
digital identity will be affect 
in the European Union right 

798
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,160
after this agreement, 
Commissioner Britton said. 

799
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,560
Now we have the digital identity
wallet, we have to put something

800
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,080
in it. 
And what he meant was the 

801
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,200
digital Bureau, also known as 
the central bank digital 

802
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,360
currency. 
And this is a very bad 

803
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,040
development. 
They always promise us not to 

804
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,880
make disconnection. 
And even a lot of experts, 

805
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,640
privacy experts and security 
experts want also last week. 

806
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:14,720
This is a very bad idea for our 
privacy and our freedom. 

807
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,280
I just. 
Let go. 

808
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040
It's a horrific idea. 
It's a terrible idea. 

809
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,760
It gives unelected bureaucrats a
tremendous amount of power over 

810
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,040
your life. 
And there's something called 

811
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,040
soft power. 
So what does that mean? 

812
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,000
That means that, for example, if
you know how the credit score 

813
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,320
system works in China, if you 
talk badly about the government,

814
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:45,080
if you post certain type of 
media on social media, it lowers

815
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,440
your credit score. 
When your or your social credit 

816
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,160
score, when your social credit 
score goes down, you no longer 

817
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,640
have access to the best schools,
You no longer have access to 

818
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,040
loans. 
So the reason it's called soft 

819
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,520
power is that it's not directly 
coercing you to do certain 

820
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,720
things. 
However, you're incentivized to,

821
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,640
you know, follow whatever the 
government wants you to do 

822
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,920
because if not, you are 
penalized in some way. 

823
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,920
And this is the danger of 
digital IDs and central bank 

824
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,240
digital currencies. 
And I mean, they're telling you 

825
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,720
they're, they're being very open
about this in terms of the 15 

826
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:30,760
minute cities, in terms of the 
things that they want society to

827
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,520
go along with. 
Problem is that, listen, without

828
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,640
a coercive mean, without a 
coercive mechanism to get people

829
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,160
to go along with these plans, I 
don't think people would 

830
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,760
willingly do it. 
But if you have these types of 

831
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:52,120
controls in place, as China has 
already proved, you can coerce 

832
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,400
people into doing things even if
it's not direct coercion. 

833
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,840
That's why it's called soft 
power, which is really really 

834
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,240
interesting. 
Also what's happening in France 

835
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:05,000
is interesting as well. 
I don't have the English 

836
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,840
translated version of this. 
Adam does speak French though, 

837
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,000
but I'm not going to ask him to 
translate this. 

838
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:21,440
I know. 
Put me on what happened here. 

839
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:32,280
All right, let's do it $1.00 
actual patrimon key contribute 

840
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:44,280
like croissants economic 1 the 
passive constructive non 

841
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,360
effective activity economic 
liquidity plasma financier 

842
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:58,440
corporal looks the YouTube this 
active numeric tip bitcoin's. 

843
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,800
Yeah, she basically just said 
sign up for bitcoinwell.com with

844
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,000
promo codes simply and you're 
gonna get opportunities to win a

845
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,520
million sats in the Bitcoin 
wishing well. 

846
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,000
That was super strange. 
It was basically an ad read for 

847
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:16,840
Bitcoin. 
Well. 

848
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,960
That's so crazy, man. 
So other than other than about 

849
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,440
promoting Bitcoin, well, Adam, 
what did she say? 

850
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,200
Yeah, I got no idea to be 
honest. 

851
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:36,200
All right, so so apparently, OK,
so here's the community note and

852
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,640
and all that stuff that was 
funny. 

853
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,880
So it says the French Senate 
debate proposes replacing the 

854
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,200
real estate wealth tax with an 
UN quote, unproductive wealth 

855
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:52,400
tax targeting dormant assets, 
unused real estate, luxury goods

856
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,680
and crypto. 
This preliminary vote with only 

857
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,120
supporting senators present in 
the chamber is not in final 

858
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,760
legislation. 
Now the, the, the interesting 

859
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,000
thing about all this, ladies and
gentlemen, is you know where 

860
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,680
else they proposed an unrealized
tax in the United States. 

861
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:15,640
And the reason that I believe 
this is happening again, I, I 

862
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,160
really, really believe in the, 
in the, in the, the thesis laid 

863
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,640
out by the sovereign individual,
they really laid out here, it 

864
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,560
says Reese and Mog and David, 
the authors basically predicted 

865
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,600
that the with the rise of this 
new cyberspace and consequently 

866
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,080
cyber money, it will become 
harder for a nation state to 

867
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,440
collect taxes from its citizens.
When they say taxes, it's not 

868
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,400
just income tax, it's also 
inflation tax. 

869
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,000
Just keep that in mind. 
They compare the state to a 

870
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,960
farmer keeping cows in a field 
to be milked. 

871
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,640
But that quote, soon the cows 
will have wings. 

872
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,320
They predict that for the 
government to collect taxes from

873
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,960
its citizens in this type of 
society, it would have to 

874
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,280
violate human rights. 
Even traditionally civil 

875
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,600
countries will have to resort 
and turn nasty. 

876
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,360
I mean that kind of explains 
Operation Choke .2 point O of 

877
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,160
the last 3 1/2 years. 
That explain explains the arrest

878
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,040
of CZ, of Arthur Hayes, of 
Rodger Ver. 

879
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,640
I know he's very unpopular in 
the Bitcoin community of Julian 

880
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,960
Assange, of Ross Ulbricht, 
right? 

881
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:31,400
And all the while bankers like 
TD Bank got a record fine for 

882
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,920
record money laundering and all 
they got was a fine. 

883
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,800
So why is it that our industry 
is targeted and that industry is

884
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,720
not targeted? 
Well, our industry gives you 

885
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,600
wings that that's essentially 
what it is. 

886
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,960
And what I mean by that is if 
you take self custody of your 

887
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,480
Bitcoin, to kind of tie it in 
with what we were talking about 

888
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,240
earlier, kind of jokingly, you 
can't take your MicroStrategy or

889
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,080
your Bitcoin well stock with 
you, but you can take your 

890
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:04,120
Bitcoin, well, your Bitcoin with
you if you take self custody of 

891
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,320
it. 
That's why Bitcoin in self 

892
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,240
custody is one of the most 
empowering things you can do as 

893
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:13,160
an individual. 
And as governments continue to 

894
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,600
spend recklessly because that's 
what they've been doing. 

895
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,520
And that is an indirect tax on 
their citizens more and more. 

896
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,880
And those more and more of those
citizens are going to want to 

897
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,960
get up and leave. 
And you're seeing that with the 

898
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,720
proposed exit tax in the 
Netherlands. 

899
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,480
You're seeing this with, you 
know, this BS happening in 

900
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,400
France. 
Politicians, instead of looking 

901
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,320
at themselves in the mirror and 
saying, hey, you know, we don't 

902
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,960
have a tax collecting problem, 
we have a spending problem. 

903
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,680
They would rather double down on
the tyranny, double down on the 

904
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:56,280
control rather than spend less 
because if they stop, if they 

905
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,840
spend less than all of a sudden 
and you don't get $100 million 

906
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,640
worth Elizabeth Warren's anymore
because that is not even 

907
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,400
feasibly possible on a 
government salary. 

908
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,320
So very interesting times. 
Very bullish on the United 

909
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:12,800
States because of the recent 
election. 

910
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,920
It's not perfect, Orange man is 
not perfect, but definitely an 

911
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,120
improvement. 
Also very bullish about the 

912
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,880
upcoming election in Canada. 
The polls look very favorable 

913
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,760
and I still can't pronounce his 
last name, but you got Pierre 

914
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,800
Pauliva or whatever going in and
seems like he's the favorite to 

915
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,320
win and he's very pro Bitcoin, 
all that stuff. 

916
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,640
Also bullish on the province. 
Where at where Adam and my 

917
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,280
brother from another mother BTC 
sessions is from Alberta. 

918
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,600
It's just like freedom cut. 
It's like the Texas of Canada, 

919
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,000
bro It's nuts. 
It's gnarly other than the white

920
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,720
walkers that come out in winter.
But Adam what are your thoughts 

921
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,880
on this? 
What is happening? 

922
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,520
Paul Lier called polyver. 
Thank you polyver. 

923
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,560
I I I tried. 
Anyways Adam what are your 

924
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,280
thoughts on this? 
What the F is happening in 

925
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,080
Europe? 
Like had they did they not learn

926
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,400
from the last 100 year? 
I feel like Europe, out of all 

927
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:16,200
places, have just experienced 
some of the worst things in 

928
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,520
history and they're just like, 
you know what, let's try it 

929
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,520
again. 
Why not? 

930
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,000
Bro I don't I don't know who 
wants this. 

931
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,640
I don't know who is out there 
banging the drum pro CBDC and 

932
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,280
I'm obviously in like this 
Bitcoin echo chamber, but I 

933
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:36,320
don't understand which pocket of
citizens this helps and and what

934
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,440
the mental gymnastics are to get
them there. 

935
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,360
Frankly, you know, to your last 
comment, you just said didn't 

936
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,160
they learn from the last 100 
years? 

937
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,880
Yeah, they did and they're 
running the same playbook. 

938
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,680
They want to enrich themselves 
at the mercy of their citizens. 

939
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,960
They hate you. 
They do not want you to thrive. 

940
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,560
And this is how they're going to
do it. 

941
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,320
This is how you maintain power. 
This is how you maintain wealth.

942
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,520
This is how you transfer and 
continue to siphon wealth from 

943
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,000
the middle and lower class is 
you tax them to the Kingdom come

944
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,800
and then tell them it's their 
fault that they're overspending 

945
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,840
and then and then, you know, 
gaslight them and give them, you

946
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,920
know, battered wife syndrome 
into staying. 

947
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,360
And this is what the European 
Union is doing. 

948
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,680
We saw this like you talked 
about soft power. 

949
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,760
We saw this here in Canada, 
especially throughout Kovid 

950
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,520
where it was like, you know, oh,
don't worry, getting the vaccine

951
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,320
isn't, it's not illegal to not 
be vaccinated, but you can't go 

952
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,840
to restaurants, you can't go to 
gyms, you can't go to school, 

953
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,640
you can't go to hockey rinks. 
Like, you know, there was a 

954
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,800
bunch of these. 
Don't worry, it is not illegal, 

955
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,200
but you just cannot participate 
in society if you don't do it. 

956
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,520
In lots of cases it was you're 
going to lose your job. 

957
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,120
It's like, no, no, no, no, no, 
this is totally your choice. 

958
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,880
You just lose your job. 
What's the what's the big deal? 

959
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,520
It's like this, this soft power 
was was tried, tested and proved

960
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,800
to be true and valid. 
They're going to run this 

961
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,680
playbook. 
This is why Bitcoin self custody

962
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,680
is so important. 
This is why, you know, here in 

963
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,520
Canada, we have the highest per 
capita Bitcoin or rate coming 

964
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,720
out of Canada simply because of 
how you know bad the 

965
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:10,240
government's been for the last 
decade. 

966
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,480
I suspect that the EU is going 
to start producing some 

967
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,800
incredible Bitcoiners. 
I'm bullish on the probably like

968
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,040
25 to 30 year trend line for the
EU will be pro freedom but it's 

969
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:26,360
going to be a whack a pain 
before that man. 100% man and 

970
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,840
and again, sometimes that's what
that's what needs to happen in 

971
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,800
order for people to wake up. 
You know, what's really 

972
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,320
interesting too is you look at 
the Eastern European countries, 

973
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,520
the countries that's right, 
communism, like they're some of 

974
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:44,440
the most base countries on the 
face of the planet, you know? 

975
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,320
So like, yeah, I mean, sometimes
people just like sometimes just 

976
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,240
people have to kind of learn the
hard way for for them to wake 

977
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:53,880
up. 
Brandon, I know you've been 

978
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,320
covering this as a Bitcoin 
content creator, this ever 

979
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,600
encroaching tyranny that's 
happening, happening to us. 

980
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,000
What? 
What's your take on this? 

981
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,840
What's your opinion? 
Yeah, man, I mean I it sounds. 

982
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,440
Like that? 
Remember, we're on YouTube. 

983
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:10,320
Yeah, all right, I'll make it. 
I'll make it snappy. 

984
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,600
But you know it, it seems like 
the French have just been 

985
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,560
eating, you know, some rotten 
croissants or somebody is shit 

986
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,040
in their you know, what is it 
their caviar, everything like 

987
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,640
that. 
I mean, it seems like the rulers

988
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,240
are just essentially, you know, 
trying to to keep the power as 

989
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,720
Adam lined out. 
And I mean, you know, obviously 

990
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,720
we had, you know, everything 
that happened during COVID in 

991
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,000
Canada with the banks accounts 
freezing and everything like 

992
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,160
that. 
But you know, you, you mentioned

993
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,560
already, you know we're, we're 
in a right? 

994
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,800
Path. 
Somewhat with, you know, with 

995
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,240
Donald Trump coming in. 
But at the same time, you know, 

996
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:50,120
we're also very close to 
teetering on the edge here 

997
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,960
where, you know, every time you 
go to a store, you're swiping 

998
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,440
your credit card or something 
like that. 

999
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,160
MasterCard, Visa, American 
Express, all these companies 

1000
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,240
already know where you're 
spending all of your money and 

1001
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,360
everything like that. 
And, you know, the access to 

1002
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,560
your bank account is not 
necessarily your money. 

1003
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,000
So I think more and more people,
you know, have seen what has 

1004
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,080
happened in the past four years 
and it's just accelerated the 

1005
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,520
growth of a lot of people moving
towards Bitcoin. 

1006
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,520
So I think that that's going to 
continue here. 

1007
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,360
Sometimes you just need to, I 
guess revert in in the wrong 

1008
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,480
direction in order to wake some 
people up. 

1009
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,240
And I think a lot of people, you
know, sacrifice freedom for 

1010
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,760
more, you know, just ease of use
of things, right. 

1011
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,680
So I think it's going to revert 
the other way. 

1012
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,080
I think the French and, you 
know, other European countries 

1013
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,040
are trying to revert, but people
are going to start to to vote 

1014
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,960
with their feet, whether that's,
you know, move somewhere else, 

1015
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,280
work in a digital economy and 
just continue moving that 

1016
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,240
direction. 
So I think, you know, we saw 

1017
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,840
Italy try to propose this our 
higher taxed on on Bitcoin and 

1018
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,720
crypto to a lesser extent, and 
they immediately reverse that. 

1019
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,360
I wouldn't be surprised if we 
see something like that here 

1020
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,480
with the with the French as well
as as many people just, you 

1021
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,040
know, simply just move away or, 
you know, are trying to trying 

1022
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,720
to get around it. 
So I think that's going to 

1023
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,320
continue. 
And I think the policy makers 

1024
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,280
are going to have to wake up 
when when people start fleeing 

1025
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,640
and trying to find the most free
places to live and and work and 

1026
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,520
store their capital. 
A. 100% And that's the thesis, 

1027
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:25,600
right? 
That's the thesis from the 

1028
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,040
sovereign individual, right? 
And that overtime time, as more 

1029
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,960
and more people kind of are 
nimble and they like go through 

1030
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,760
jurisdiction and they go to the 
jurisdiction that treats them 

1031
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,840
best, over time, that becomes a 
forcing function on government 

1032
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,800
to see citizens rather than tax 
cattle. 

1033
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,160
They they would, they would see 
them as customers instead. 

1034
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,560
Instead, That's the thesis. 
You kind of see it on the state 

1035
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,520
level here in the United States,
right? 

1036
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,800
Where, you know, New York and 
California were very hostile 

1037
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,600
during the pandemic years to 
businesses and individual 

1038
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,840
freedoms. 
And you saw a giant exodus of 

1039
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,880
people coming to Texas and 
Florida. 

1040
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,320
So anyways, guys, we're going to
move on to the culture segment 

1041
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,720
to talk to Brandon and Adam. 
Let's check it out. 

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Anyways, I do want to give a 

1069
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,200
very special shout out to our 
guest today, Adam O'Brien. 

1070
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,680
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1075
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1076
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,240
Thanks guys. 
Mad love. 

1077
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,160
Always good to be here. 
And remember everyone just got 

1078
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,360
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1079
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,000
I'll catch you guys later. 
Thanks, Adam. 

1080
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,560
Appreciate it. 
All right everybody, we are 

1081
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,760
going to pivot the conversation 
to our special guest today, 

1082
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,240
fellow Bitcoin content Crit. 
Do you want to do switching 

1083
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:49,520
Opti? 
Thank you fellow content creator

1084
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,840
and guys, go definitely 
subscribe to his channel Green 

1085
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,920
Candle Green. 
How do you How do you say it? 

1086
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,480
It's you know, somebody on 
Twitter's got green candle, so I

1087
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,240
had to go put an IT at the end. 
But it's just green candle on 

1088
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1089
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You'll be able to find me 
anywhere. 

1090
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,280
Awesome. 
So talk to us a little bit about

1091
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,120
your channel. 
What's it about? 

1092
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,480
What is the general feeling 
about it? 

1093
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,760
What type of interviews do you 
do? 

1094
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,080
What do you highlight? 
Obviously you're a Bitcoiner, so

1095
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,640
it's Bitcoin focused. 
What's your take, Brandon? 

1096
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,160
Yeah, I'm trying to build the, I
like to describe it as the 

1097
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,640
barstool of finance and Bitcoin.
So I have a lot of podcasts, 

1098
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,760
some great guests. 
I interviewed Maya Parabo not 

1099
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,960
too long ago at Adopting 
Bitcoin, where I saw Nico and 

1100
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,880
Opti, but she was getting a 
tattoo of the Bitcoin supply 

1101
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,520
formula. 
So I like to do some wild things

1102
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,880
there, filming a lot of, you 
know, vlogs behind the scenes of

1103
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,320
these conferences and other 
things like that as well. 

1104
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,080
So yeah, man, just like to have 
fun with it. 

1105
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:59,400
I cover macro topics from real 
estate to traditional finance 

1106
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,680
all through Bitcoin. 
So trying to bring a little bit 

1107
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,520
of flair to it and have some fun
with it just like you guys do 

1108
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,080
here. 
So yeah, thank you guys so much 

1109
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,480
for having me. 
And it's, it's been a blast to, 

1110
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,400
to come on here and, and RIP it 
with you guys for a little bit. 

1111
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,000
Absolutely. 
So what has, you know, what have

1112
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,480
you learned making content over 
these last couple of years? 

1113
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,480
Bitcoin has accelerated, its 
popularity has accelerated. 

1114
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,160
You know, I've seen you at a lot
of these conferences. 

1115
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,360
What's your opinion? 
We're still so early as, as 

1116
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,480
Michael Saylor said it, man. 
I mean, I think, you know, you 

1117
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,600
go to these conferences, I've 
seen them grow over the years, 

1118
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,680
but you just, you know, you 
still talk to your normie 

1119
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,440
friends. 
I mean, I was telling my friends

1120
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,200
earlier this year that I thought
Bitcoin would hit 100K by the 

1121
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,600
end of the year. 
And I have receipts of them 

1122
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,480
chirping me when it was like 
50-60 K, saying, oh, yeah, 

1123
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,120
Bitcoins gonna hit 100K. 
And then now they're starting to

1124
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,880
come around a little bit. 
But I'm still only getting, you 

1125
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,560
know, a couple text messages 
here or there, you know, 

1126
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,520
depending on the day now that 
bitcoins kind of floating off, 

1127
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,240
everybody thinks it's, you know,
dead, whatever they miss the 

1128
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,320
boat. 
So I still think we're we're 

1129
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:13,040
very early when it comes to 
Bitcoin and I think we're 

1130
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,240
turning an edge here a little 
bit. 

1131
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,800
But I think with, you know, 
nation state adoption, we've 

1132
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,400
got, you know, more companies. 
We just highlighted Bitcoin. 

1133
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,880
Well, we got Microsoft, we got 
micro strategy, all these big 

1134
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,720
players coming into the game. 
I think it's just a matter of 

1135
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,280
time. 
So congratulations to everybody 

1136
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,360
here listening. 
We've beat the US, We beat, you 

1137
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,840
know, a lot of these giant 
companies to finding Bitcoin. 

1138
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,040
And, you know, I think it's just
a matter of time until everybody

1139
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,280
finds that the orange beacon of 
light and flees to Bitcoin. 

1140
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:46,280
I love that. 
I love that man. 

1141
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:52,920
Also breaking news, Donald Trump
reportedly picks pro crypto Paul

1142
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:57,600
Atkins for SEC chair to replace 
Gary Gensler. 

1143
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,800
What that means? 
It's going to be an absolute 

1144
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:06,720
altcoin Bitcoin extravaganza 
trying to be nice and inclusive 

1145
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,120
next year. 
And you're going to see all 

1146
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:14,760
types of things being bought and
sold. 

1147
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:19,880
And yeah, anyways, but you 
should stick to Bitcoin instead 

1148
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:24,360
of trying to, you know, buy all 
that alternative stuff anyways. 

1149
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,720
Opti, what's your take on this, 
man? 

1150
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,360
I know that you're a fan of 
Brandon. 

1151
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,160
You've watched this content. 
What's up? 

1152
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,560
Yeah, well, I actually kind of 
just want to ask Brandon, cuz 

1153
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,640
you are interviewing a lot of 
Bitcoiners and you were just 

1154
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,920
kind of talking about normies 
and you know, let's give some 

1155
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,720
alpha to the viewers here. 
Obviously most of the viewers 

1156
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,520
are Bitcoiners, but kind of in a
broad sense, like what do you 

1157
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,960
think is the big idea playing 
out right now? 

1158
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,680
I know you cover macro markets, 
like what do you see the 

1159
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,920
normies? 
Obviously it's about Bitcoin, 

1160
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,280
but like what do you think is 
the one take away for everyone 

1161
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,040
that they could go out there and
spread and and tell like their 

1162
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,200
friends and family like this is 
what's happening and this is, 

1163
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,160
you know, the basic mechanics of
what's going on. 

1164
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,920
So from your experience with 
interviewing everyone, you know,

1165
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,440
your macro experience, 
background, obviously your 

1166
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,160
Bitcoin experience, like what do
you think is the big idea 

1167
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,640
playing out right now in the 
world? 

1168
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,200
Yeah. 
So I think it's just the the 

1169
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:22,240
initial start here where we had 
the ETFs being launched at the 

1170
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,960
beginning of the year. 
We have, you know, nation states

1171
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,280
now starting to FOMO into 
Bitcoin. 

1172
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,400
And I think, you know, everybody
is getting more and more of 

1173
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,120
those touch points as to, you 
know, what Bitcoin is. 

1174
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,280
And then they're getting a 
little bit more curious and 

1175
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,800
starting to dive into what 
Bitcoin is a little bit as well.

1176
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,800
Obviously number go up. 
You know, we all love to to buy 

1177
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,440
the cheap sats, but let's face 
it, that's a big orange pillar 

1178
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,320
for many people. 
It brings a lot of attention to 

1179
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,280
it. 
But you know, with all these 

1180
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,400
products and services coming 
along, I interview a lot of 

1181
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,960
people that are hedge fund kind 
of traditional, you know, 

1182
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,080
investors maybe real estate or 
anything. 

1183
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:04,360
They understand the hard assets,
but they were very skeptical on 

1184
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,480
Bitcoin at first. 
I actually received my first 

1185
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,480
text messages from traditional 
finance Bros now that are all 

1186
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,880
into Bitcoin. 
So I think, you know, they're 

1187
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,120
understanding that this is 
bringing a lot of alpha and it's

1188
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,640
just the first step, right? 
Whether they're buying in the 

1189
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:23,880
ETF or they're buying, you know,
micro strategy or a Bitcoin well

1190
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,760
stock or something like that to 
get some exposure. 

1191
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,800
They're now starting to do 
research into what Bitcoin is in

1192
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,200
the freedom technology of 
Bitcoin. 

1193
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:36,040
So I think like Michael Saylor 
said, we're still very early. 

1194
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,640
But I think the overall thesis 
of Bitcoin, you know, first 

1195
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:44,319
starting off as a inflation 
hedge or something to kind of 

1196
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:47,720
keep your wealth, earn, you 
know, properly restore your time

1197
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,040
is playing out now. 
And I think like as we go along,

1198
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,760
this is going to get more and 
more to, you know, getting to a 

1199
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,640
hyperbychronized world. 
And I think, you know, we're 

1200
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,520
we're still very early. 
And this is something that is 

1201
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,720
that is going to make us all 
look very smart here at the end.

1202
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,359
But yeah, I mean, I like this 
this comment here that 

1203
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,080
Thanksgiving dinner was a little
bit more pleasant for us this 

1204
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,279
this time around opposed to last
year. 

1205
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:12,359
So I think that's going to keep 
continuing. 

1206
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:17,439
And I think 2025 is going to be 
a very, very big year for us as 

1207
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,600
bitcoiners. 
Beautiful, Beautiful. 

1208
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,720
Yeah, I completely agree. 
It's incredibly exciting. 

1209
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,680
I think it's going to be an 
explosive year. 

1210
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:29,000
I think people still have a 
little bit of PTSD from the last

1211
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,800
cycle of 2021, which I believe 
was a cut short a little bit. 

1212
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:39,120
It looks like maybe I'm speaking
too soon, but 2025 surely sure 

1213
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:43,960
does remind me of that 
20/16/2017 type of vibe. 

1214
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:45,960
We don't know. 
We don't know the future. 

1215
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,040
I'm speculating, but we shall 
see. 

1216
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,600
Opti, any thoughts? 
Yeah, I mean, I again, I'm, I 

1217
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,240
want to pick Brandon's Brandon's
mind here because we do cover a 

1218
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,720
lot of macro stuff here and one 
of the biggest trends and we 

1219
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,520
actually got that tweet 
yesterday from Trump about BRICS

1220
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,280
nations, you know, leaving the 
dollar. 

1221
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:05,600
So what's your thoughts on the 
idea of countries trying to move

1222
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,880
away from, you know, US bonds 
and and that trend going on 

1223
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,440
right now? 
And obviously the mistake of 

1224
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:14,800
them not going to Bitcoin, but 
we saw a trend all of this year 

1225
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,240
of, of countries moving away 
from the dollar, at least 

1226
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,560
posturing that they're moving 
away from the dollar now I they 

1227
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,880
might be getting threatened and 
so that might change. 

1228
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,160
So what's your thoughts on all 
that stuff working out right 

1229
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,120
now? 
Yeah, so the global economy has 

1230
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,200
all been kind of intertwined. 
And the US has always been kind 

1231
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,040
of I, I in a sense, like Donald 
Trump has realized that we've 

1232
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,080
been getting screwed here in the
US with a lot of our foreign 

1233
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,440
adversaries and then been slowly
inching away from the dollar. 

1234
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:43,720
I mean, we've seen massive 
amounts inflation. 

1235
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,280
Everybody listening here knows 
that inflation is not under 

1236
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,880
wraps in the USI mean, one of my
favorite websites is 

1237
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,640
govflation.com, where you can 
see how they used to calculate 

1238
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,480
the CPI, compared it to how 
they're presenting it right now.

1239
01:10:57,480 --> 01:11:01,320
And I believe in August it was 
over 10% still when, you know, 

1240
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,800
the CPI being reported was 2.5. 
So everybody globally is 

1241
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,080
realizing like, hey, there's 
massive amounts of money 

1242
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,840
printing that happened over 
these past couple years. 

1243
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,440
Yeah, that's a great website. 
So if you Scroll down there a 

1244
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:16,640
little bit, you can see the 
graph of CPI and just see how 

1245
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,720
they've been manipulating it. 
So you can see towards the end 

1246
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:24,680
that it's still very high over 
that 10% and we peaked nearly at

1247
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,640
20%. 
So I think countries around the 

1248
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,840
globe are are realizing this and
a lot of them are not benefiting

1249
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,520
from the devaluing of the 
dollar. 

1250
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,520
And so that's why the BRICS 
nations have started to move 

1251
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,880
away. 
Donald Trump's trying to bring 

1252
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,800
the strength back to the dollar,
which I do appreciate. 

1253
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,600
But on the flip side of it, he's
also going to want to lower 

1254
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,000
interest rates, which is another
form of QE. 

1255
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,680
He's, you know, when he was 
president in 2016 to 2020, we 

1256
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,680
had interest rates at near 0. 
That's why we saw a lot of, you 

1257
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,520
know, these crypto tokens that, 
you know, Nikko was alluding to 

1258
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,160
earlier pop up left and right. 
You know, we saw a lot of 

1259
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:05,240
countries, you know, our 
companies pop up from zero to 

1260
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,280
multi billion dollar 
evaluations. 

1261
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,000
So I think there needs to be a 
little bit cost of capital and 

1262
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,240
hopefully, you know, whoever is 
leading the Fed will not, you 

1263
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,840
know, get us down to that 0% 
interest rate. 

1264
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,080
But I think, you know, overall 
countries have kind of felt this

1265
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,760
for the past four years. 
The the inflation is not under 

1266
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,680
wraps. 
And I think Trump is trying to 

1267
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,520
bring the strength back into the
dollar. 

1268
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,400
Now. 
We'll see how these next four 

1269
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,960
years go. 
Hopefully, you know, it's not 

1270
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:41,240
crypto bonanza here from 24 to 
to 2028, but I think that it's 

1271
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:47,600
all signs that are looking to a 
positive for the US and for the 

1272
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,760
dollar, which in turn would I 
think help Bitcoin along the 

1273
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,520
way. 
Kind of give it some time to 

1274
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,120
develop a lot of you know, more 
technology and everything like 

1275
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,960
that to get us closer to a hyper
bitcoinized world without 

1276
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,120
crashing and burning the dollar 
right away, right, 

1277
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:08,160
Accelerationist that I know some
are some are here probably 

1278
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,000
listening, but the 
accelerationist want us to go 

1279
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:11,920
the other way. 
I think that would just be bad 

1280
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,720
for everybody. 
So hopefully it'll prolong that.

1281
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,640
Yeah, OK. 
And and hey, we're, we're about 

1282
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,960
to get into 2025, so I don't 
want you to speculate too much, 

1283
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,920
but you know, you've been in 
Bitcoin for a couple years, 

1284
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,120
you're making Bitcoin content, 
you're talking to some of the 

1285
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,200
smartest Bitcoiners every single
day and just looking at the 

1286
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,200
landscape for Bitcoin because, 
you know, Nico and I, we have 

1287
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,240
these conversations all the time
on the show as well. 

1288
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,760
But from another content 
creators vantage point, is this 

1289
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,120
time different? 
Because I think that is the real

1290
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,880
question that we're all asking 
ourselves. 

1291
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,720
Is this time different? 
Are we entering maybe a new 

1292
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,600
cycle or new era in Bitcoin? 
So what's your thoughts on that,

1293
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,160
Brandon? 
I think without a doubt, you 

1294
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:56,720
know, Nico said he felt like 
2021 got cut kind of short. 

1295
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,920
And I and I agree with that on 
the last cycle because you know,

1296
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,400
last cycle we had FTX, we had 
Celsius, we had block fly, a lot

1297
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,320
of these bad players issuing out
paper Bitcoin. 

1298
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,440
Now, I'm not condoning the ETFs 
to go and buy them. 

1299
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,520
They're a little bit more 
regulated than, you know, the 

1300
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:18,000
free and open market that was, 
you know, FTX and and Block Fi 

1301
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,480
and everything like that. 
So, you know, they'll hopefully 

1302
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,720
not be issuing as much paper 
Bitcoin, which I think kind of 

1303
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,560
suppressed the price last time. 
So I think with the tops going 

1304
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,760
to blow off, we have a lot of 
FOMO money sitting on the 

1305
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,920
sidelines here from traditional 
finance, billions of dollars 

1306
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,680
literally being flowed into 
these ETF products weekly. 

1307
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,760
And now we have the nation state
FOMO kind of coming along. 

1308
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,880
I mean, you guys have 
highlighted here on the show, 

1309
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,720
you know, we talked about 
Canada, we got the US potential 

1310
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,200
state level at the US too, 
talking about strategic reserves

1311
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,440
for individual states. 
Not only that, but also 

1312
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:54,840
federally, we've got a lot of 
countries flipping the script on

1313
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,640
it. 
We got Brazil the other day 

1314
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:58,760
announcing it. 
We got a presidential candidate 

1315
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,640
of Poland. 
We've got China reversing it, 

1316
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,760
you know, reversing their stance
on Bitcoin and crypto. 

1317
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:09,480
So I think it's nation state 
FOMO, it's traditional financial

1318
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:13,480
money and and retail on top of 
all that where previous cycles 

1319
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:16,800
was just really retail. 
So now we're seeing so much more

1320
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,200
money being flowed into Bitcoin 
and I think the top's going to 

1321
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,280
blow off. 
I mean, I'm extremely bullish 

1322
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,280
going into next year. 
And I don't know sitting here 

1323
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,640
how you could possibly not be, 
to be honest with you. 

1324
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,280
Well, wait, wait, could we get a
price prediction here? 

1325
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,360
I know, I know. 
We try not to do those even 

1326
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,440
though we do them. 
So Brandon, you know, let's 

1327
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:41,320
let's end the show with with a 
just a spicy price prediction. 

1328
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,480
Where do you think we're going 
this cycle? 

1329
01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:45,680
What are you seeing and like 
what are the metrics that you're

1330
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,840
watching? 
Yeah, 100%. 

1331
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,760
So I mean, I think at a minimum,
I think the floor for next year 

1332
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:57,920
is at 250 K at the very least. 
Now with that, I think we can 

1333
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:02,560
also see it skyrocketing up to 
850, maybe even touching close 

1334
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,760
to a million a coin with the 
nation state FOMO. 

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01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,080
So I think it'll be absolutely 
crazy. 

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01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:12,600
I mean, last cycle we had, you 
know, money printing that raised

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01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,320
it up a bunch. 
But on this cycle we'll have 

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01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,280
interest rates lowering and the 
possibility of money printing 

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01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,200
that will have to be more than 
last time. 

1340
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,880
I mean, imagine all of that QE 
being dumped into Bitcoin, I 

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01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,040
mean 2:50 at a minimum. 
And then maybe we're pushing on 

1342
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,680
Amelia Coin and you know, we'll 
be all dancing on our our 

1343
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,400
private jets and yachts and 
everything like that next year, 

1344
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:39,680
man. 11 Last question from from 
me, and then Niko can chime in. 

1345
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,560
So yeah, someone take the 
soundboard away from Niko. 

1346
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:47,320
Geez, we have the meme that's 
been going around. 

1347
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:48,720
Excuse me. 
And I know a lot of other 

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01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,200
sports. 
All right, got to mute you got 

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01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:54,040
to mute you. 
OK, so we have the meme right 

1350
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:57,560
now going around in the Bitcoin 
space a lot of like diminishing 

1351
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,840
returns and we've talked about 
that constantly. 

1352
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:05,440
And also a lot of Bitcoiners do 
have PTSD from 2021 cycle, but 

1353
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:11,080
add that with, do you think 
maybe with all of the influx 

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01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,800
capital that we're seeing, it 
might not necessarily be 

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01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,520
diminishing returns, but I think
it might dampen the volatility 

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01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:22,760
on the downside. 
So one, are you believing in the

1357
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:27,320
diminishing returns thesis and 
do you still think that we might

1358
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,640
be seeing, you know, 7080% 
drawdowns in this next cycle? 

1359
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:34,080
Like what, what's your thinking 
on the volatility of the Bitcoin

1360
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,880
price? 
Because I've, you know, Full 

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01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,840
disclosure, I'm kind of been 
like Niko's been diminishing 

1362
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,520
returns all year and I'm like, 
no, you're a bear now. 

1363
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,200
I'm kind of flipping it. 
And I, I think what we might be 

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01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,800
seeing is the volatility is 
going to get dampen on, on the 

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01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,160
downside. 
And I think that would be super 

1366
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,080
bullish for the Bitcoin price. 
Yeah. 

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01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,360
So I think it's all about like 
user behavior at this point. 

1368
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,120
So I mean, I think that when 
nation states start to come in, 

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01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,360
that will help with the 
diminishing returns. 

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01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,880
But on the flip side of it, the 
traditional finance arm, I don't

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01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,280
necessarily think those guys are
going to be the diamond hand 

1372
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,600
Bros, you know, really holding 
on to Bitcoin. 

1373
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,320
So I think that, you know, 
nation state stacking is very 

1374
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,000
bullish for what you guys are 
saying. 

1375
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,960
But on the flip side of it, the 
traditional finance is not. 

1376
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,520
So I mean, I think that with the
more money, any printing that 

1377
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,520
we're getting, the interest 
rates lowering, we'll still have

1378
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,840
the volatility here. 
And I don't think this is going 

1379
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,280
to be the last super cycle 
unfortunately, because we're 

1380
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,480
still in a very Fiat based 
world, right? 

1381
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,560
I mean, we lined out Trump, you 
know, trying to strengthen the 

1382
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:39,120
dollar and I think he's going to
prolong us from getting to maybe

1383
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:43,400
a hyper bitcoinized world, which
I think is in in turn a benefit,

1384
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:44,880
right? 
Everything's not crashing and 

1385
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,600
burning and, you know, Bitcoin 
taking off and you know, then we

1386
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,440
can't even buy eggs or anything 
like that. 

1387
01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:54,000
So I think, you know, we're 
still gonna have those, those 

1388
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,120
waves and we're still gonna have
to ride the ups and downs, 

1389
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,880
unfortunately. 
And but but I mean, it'll also 

1390
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:02,840
be more of a stacking 
opportunity. 

1391
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,320
And I think it'll bring in more 
Bitcoin bulls that will, you 

1392
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,480
know, develop the the huddle 
mentality and start to, you 

1393
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:12,200
know, stack more and more coins.
I mean, and there's gonna be 

1394
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,200
more Michael Saylors that come 
along as well on this cycle too.

1395
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:19,720
So you know, I think with every 
Bitcoin bear, there's probably 2

1396
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,600
bulls that come in at the very 
least, right? 

1397
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,120
I mean, we've seen option 
products start to come in as 

1398
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,120
well. 
I don't know if you guys have 

1399
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,560
talked about that on the show, 
but I mean, I think there's like

1400
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:33,960
4 buys for every sale on the on 
the options or four puts for 

1401
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,040
every call. 
So you know, I think that, you 

1402
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,640
know, more and more people are 
coming in and there's going to 

1403
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,520
be more bulls, but there's still
the bears, the skeptics out 

1404
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:43,520
there. 
I don't know if we're going to 

1405
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,480
fully convince them all just yet
because I mean, even now we see 

1406
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:52,360
the run up from 60 to 95 to 99 
ish K and we're floating, you 

1407
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:56,080
know, the 99 to 95 ish K right 
now and we still haven't cracked

1408
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,760
that 100 and. 
We got people who are. 

1409
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,640
Refusing to buy in right now 
because they think they've. 

1410
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,680
Missed the boat. 
So I think it's just, you know, 

1411
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:08,720
it'll bring in more, more bulls.
But we still got some some bears

1412
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,880
that are going to learn the 
lesson here soon enough. 

1413
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,240
But maybe not all of them come 
in this cycle. 100% And I also 

1414
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:18,920
do want to give like I like. 
So for example, Senor Gringo, 

1415
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:23,200
Papi says, I say 100 to 150 K to
be realistic. 

1416
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:28,640
And then SAT wise janks, it says
honestly, I'm with PAPI 140 to 

1417
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,880
170 K, especially if we don't 
close the CME gap AT77K. 

1418
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,280
If not, that's our next bottom 
target. 

1419
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:39,200
OK, here's the thing. 
That is what I'm hearing from 

1420
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:43,240
everybody, right? 
The the thing with Bitcoin is 

1421
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:47,240
that it does the exact opposite 
of what everyone thinks. 

1422
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,520
So we're either going to the low
side, which means we peaked 

1423
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:55,960
already and we're just in it for
a very long drawn out bear 

1424
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,200
market. 
I don't believe that's the case 

1425
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,800
or we are going to go a lot 
higher because the general 

1426
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,520
consensus on Bitcoin Twitter is 
what you guys are saying 

1427
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,240
150K200K. 
That's what I'm seeing from 

1428
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:15,280
everybody. 
If history is a teacher every 

1429
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:19,640
single time Bitcoin does the 
exact opposite of what the 

1430
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,520
general consensus is in terms of
price. 

1431
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,200
So the reason you guys are 
saying those price targets is 

1432
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:33,360
because of 20/21/2021 everyone 
and their mother thought 100K 

1433
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,440
guaranteed. 
We peaked at 69 K. 

1434
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,840
It was a huge let down. 
However it was the exact 

1435
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,920
opposite of what everyone 
anticipated. 

1436
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:47,640
What I'm seeing this time around
is that same consensus, but to 

1437
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:52,440
the to the downside. 
So again, what happens is if 

1438
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:57,400
most people believe that 
bitcoins peaking AT150K200K, 

1439
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,240
they're going to sell. 
And what's going to happen is 

1440
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:05,800
Bitcoin goes to 500 K and you're
going to be like, oh, and you're

1441
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,760
going to buy back in at 300 
because you're going to think 

1442
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,040
it's going to go get run forever
and then it's going to crash and

1443
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,040
you're going to get wrecked. 
This is what happens every 

1444
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:20,040
single time. 
Samson Mao posted a clip of our 

1445
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:25,720
interview when he came on the 
show and he essentially coins 

1446
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:31,600
the term Bitcoin takes the path 
of maximum pain. 

1447
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:37,160
Maximum pain, right? 
So if you're anticipating a 

1448
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:42,320
price target, if you are, you 
know, saying it for the Bitcoin 

1449
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:47,440
does the exact effing opposite. 
Always, always the opposite, 

1450
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,520
which is why it's 99% of the 
time better idea. 

1451
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,720
Stay humble stack stats stay 
solvent planned for the long 

1452
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:56,880
term. 
Should have bought 

1453
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,120
MicroStrategy. 
Oops next time. 

1454
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:03,600
But anyways guys, this was 
simply Bitcoin live for December

1455
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:07,680
3rd, 2024. 
I'm your host Nico is my 

1456
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,680
legendary Co host Optimus Fields
and our special guest today 

1457
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:16,120
Brandon from green candle. 
Go check out his YouTube channel

1458
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,880
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1459
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:21,320
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01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:26,280
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