1 00:00:15,940 --> 00:00:19,380 Hey, it's Larry Sharp here at Freedom Fest having some amazing 2 00:00:19,380 --> 00:00:22,140 conversations, talking about human respect, talking about 3 00:00:22,140 --> 00:00:24,980 morals, talking about ethics. And I'm very happy that I have 4 00:00:24,980 --> 00:00:27,340 with me today the man himself, Keith Knight. 5 00:00:27,340 --> 00:00:29,220 Keith, tell. Tell him about yourself. 6 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,120 Larry, thanks so much for having me. 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,120 I am managing editor at the Libertarian Institute. 8 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:36,680 I recently published the Volunteerist Handbook. 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,560 These are the 50 essays that I read that took me from being a 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,600 progressive to being a libertarian or volunteerist. 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,200 The main thesis of the book is summarized in the introduction 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,600 and the afterword. And I'm generally saying that 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,280 the way politics currently is, is they will seek to divide 14 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,680 people, black versus white, men versus woman, American versus 15 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,440 Russian, rich versus poor. We reject those at the 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,000 Libertarian Institute as false divides and try to find a true 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,280 divide on which people can really get behind in support of 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,080 and something people can really oppose. 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,160 And the true divide that we claim is the difference between 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,080 people who achieve their ends in life voluntarily through either 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,800 persuasion or voluntary exchange among consenting adults, and 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,480 those who achieve their ends violently. 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,200 This is what covers the main immoral things. 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,480 Volunteerism and consent differentiate slavery from work, 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,040 trade from theft, kidnapping from spending time with people. 26 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:36,320 All of the really evil things really are violations of 27 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:38,400 consent. That's the philosophy we try to 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,240 put forth at the Libertarian Institute. 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,640 You can buy a copy on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, or download a 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,680 free PDF from libertarianinstitute.org. 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,280 There we go. I love that you are talking 32 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,480 about things that you know, I love talking about. 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,480 You know, I'm all about that. So let me talk about that. 34 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:58,320 You, you went from a progressive to a voluntarist or libertarian. 35 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,000 That's a, a change I want to talk about right now because 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,920 that meant at one point in your life, you thought that the world 37 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,800 in general should be more liberal. 38 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,880 But not only did you believe that, you thought that it was 39 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,800 not a bad idea for government to make that happen. 40 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,800 And that's the piece that I think we're talking about, the 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,000 idea of lots of people want to be more liberal or more 42 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,160 conservative, whatever they might want. 43 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,560 But are they ready to make that happen through persuasion, as 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:28,240 you talked about, through their works, through their example, 45 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,680 through their community, or are they ready to use government? 46 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,120 I think that's our chart here. We talk about all the time, 47 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,320 right? You're conservative, 48 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,960 progressive. Do you want coercion or do you 49 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,840 want persuasion? And the idea, I think there is 50 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,960 the idea of human respect. I think that's the the piece 51 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,120 that I talk about, which is if I can show respect to the other, 52 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,400 that's when I can persuade them. But if I don't show respect to 53 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,280 them, they're not worthy of persuasion. 54 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,080 I'll just coerce them. I'll just, they're not, he's not 55 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,200 a person, he's a conservative. He's not a person. 56 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,560 He's a liberal, he's not a person. 57 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,080 So who needs respect? Am I wrong here? 58 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,000 Tell me. No, you're totally right. 59 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,280 And just as before, they provoke a war and really start killing 60 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,280 people. You got to vilify those Russians 61 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,680 as a bunch of bastards who interfered in our election. 62 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,280 They're putting bounties on troops in Afghanistan. 63 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,440 They planted Hunter Biden's laptop. 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,240 These people, it doesn't matter if they're all conscripts and 65 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,320 they all get killed. They more or less are all behind 66 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,000 this stuff. Same with the Japanese. 67 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,320 Same with the Muslims. Who? 68 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,040 Years ago I was told there were a billion Muslims who wanted to 69 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,160 cut my head off because of our lifestyle of freedom, and now 70 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,960 it's just Russia and China. We can see all of these fake 71 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,240 narratives being pushed. Another example of fake 72 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,280 arbitrary divides. One of the great things that you 73 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,760 mentioned is, well, once you disrespect someone then you can 74 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,120 use the coercion of the state. The important thing for the 75 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,960 statist magician is for them to be able to make their violence 76 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,080 invisible and say this isn't violence, this is actually us 77 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,520 coming together. This is a form of cooperation. 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,840 We voted to crush these people. Exactly. 79 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,240 There we go. And then the second you say, 80 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,240 well, if it's so moral, then can the Koch brothers do it? 81 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,760 And Amazon, certainly the Catholic Church can start 82 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,120 issuing taxes on your income so long as they provide a free 83 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,320 education in exchange. And the second you apply those 84 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,440 principles consistently, they go, OK, hold on. 85 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,640 So it's. Because they've made the 86 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,400 violence invisible, they're able to get people to really sign on 87 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,440 board with something that in any other circumstance they 88 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:26,880 wouldn't. Be well, there are 2 + 1 to 89 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,360 bring up here. The first one is the idea that I 90 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,040 think we as Americans feel that it's invisible, to use your 91 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:38,240 word, if we vote for it, right? So even though the example I'll 92 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:43,920 give is, say, stopping someone from selling drugs, right? 93 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,240 The war on drugs, because we voted for it. 94 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,560 Well, now it's not really violence because we voted. 95 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,440 So it seems almost invisible, even though there are literally 96 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,080 people who are losing their lives, being destroyed every 97 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,520 day. So not only do we make it 98 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,920 invisible, but I think the way we go about it also makes it 99 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,600 invisible in our minds. So the voting part makes it OK. 100 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,240 So you put up a principle though. 101 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,920 So the principle then, if we look at it that way, is 102 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,440 unchanging. So if I got you right, you're 103 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,080 saying if I use coercion by default, it's going to be bad. 104 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:26,160 I'm going to create some form of harm or lack of happiness or 105 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,800 lack of freedom or lack of prosperity or lack of harmony 106 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,200 because I'm using coercion. Is that really a universal 107 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,800 principle? Is it always or is it not 108 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,920 always? Could be possible in some cases 109 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,440 where initiating coercion could outweigh the benefits, could 110 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,000 outweigh the costs. However, you have to 1st 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,440 determine whether the person who's initiating the violence 112 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,440 has the knowledge and incentives to know what's going to happen 113 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,880 once that coercion takes place. Seldom is government able to 114 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,200 pass that test of first knowing the complexities of the 115 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,280 situation and, two, having the incentive to implement. 116 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,320 OK, so hold on, let's say there is one. 117 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,400 All right, let me give you an example. 118 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,760 Helmet laws. Let's say that you had data and 119 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,920 I'm actually ignorant of this, but it's something to make this 120 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,280 up to see of argument. So please believe my made-up 121 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:19,520 stats only for the story. In the case of this story I've 122 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,640 just made-up, the government can look at say state A and say they 123 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,560 impose the helmet laws and now less people riding motorcycles 124 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,880 are injured. So they now have data. 125 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:32,320 So then they then decide, well see we have data. 126 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:39,240 So now that means in state CI can now use coercion to make you 127 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,880 wear a helmet because I have data so I know the outcome is 128 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,880 going to be a good outcome. Does that make the coercion OK 129 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,040 now? I don't think it makes it OK 130 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,720 because it's important to realize the person riding the 131 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,680 motorcycle, we are dealing with a consenting adult in that case. 132 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,120 So even if people choose to increase the amount of risk that 133 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,080 they take, I don't think people should be gambling very much. 134 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,000 But I still think people have the right to gamble. 135 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,480 Same with prostitution. I believe in free speech. 136 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,200 That doesn't mean I condone everything everyone ever says. 137 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,520 It means I don't believe in initiating coercion against 138 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,960 people for doing that. I think you absolutely should be 139 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,240 wearing a helmet. My dad wore a helmet one time in 140 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,480 his whole life and that was the day he crashed. 141 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,200 There could be he he totaled his motorcycle. 142 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,800 There could be evidence that it makes you more reckless and more 143 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,240 likely to kill Podesta and again. 144 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:26,840 I made it up. I don't know if my date is 145 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,280 correct, just. As well. 146 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,160 But the reason that it's still important is because there's 147 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,440 always another side to this coin. 148 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,120 As as helmets for football players have gotten more stable 149 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,040 and more complex, head injuries have increased. 150 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,240 Because the players say, well, my head's safe, I can ram it as 151 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,560 hard as I can. This is something most people 152 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,480 don't know. In World War 11 of the reasons 153 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,280 why they put helmets on soldiers is so they would attack. 154 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,760 Yeah, it made them feel safer. The helmets didn't actually 155 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,640 protect him at all from machine gunfire. 156 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,200 That would be like putting a piece of cloth on your face and 157 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,640 thinking it protects you from an airborne virus. 158 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,040 Yes, it would. Who could believe that's 159 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,040 correct? Yes, but boy did people believe 160 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,520 it. So did people believe it? 161 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,600 But Tony Fauci did tell the truth accidentally on 60 Minutes 162 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,920 in March of 2020. He said people should not be 163 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,840 wearing masks. It might cover a drop lid or 164 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,400 two, but other than that, these are useless. 165 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,480 And then he lied and said well actually 3 masks are good but. 166 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,400 Wait a minute, wait a minute. The government lied. 167 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:18,720 Never. Never can't. 168 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,240 Believe that that is another example of one of the constants 169 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,720 that we see in society. People will initiate violence 170 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,800 and lie and use fraud under any social system. 171 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,360 The reason the volunteer system is superior is because it 172 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,679 doesn't recognize any moral double standard within society. 173 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,679 So even though Larry Sharp might be a huge fraudster, the worst 174 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,919 thing we could have is a state for him to occupy. 175 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,559 The best thing we can have is a system where we ride, where we 176 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,800 widely recognize the freedom to disassociate with bad actors. 177 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,480 So as bad as Lindsey Graham is, if we were able to disassociate 178 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,000 with him, he wouldn't have any power. 179 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,240 He would, he would. He would have virtually none. 180 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,480 The same with all of these other tyrants that that we face and 181 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,000 the ones in other countries as well. 182 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,000 So. So actually what you're saying 183 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,880 is intent doesn't even matter because in the case of the in 184 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,960 the case of the helmet law, my intent is to protect you, right? 185 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,160 My intent is not a bad intent in this case. 186 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:19,320 So I as the individual activists on the street, my intention is 187 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,040 great, right? My, my, I'm not a bad actor, 188 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,720 right? In my eyes, at least, I'm not. 189 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,120 I'm trying to help you by putting a helmet on your head. 190 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,600 So you're saying though even if my intent is good, that still 191 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,560 does not validate coercion? Am am I reading you correctly? 192 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,200 Correct, and the reason is, is you are simply using someone 193 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,840 else who is a rational human being. 194 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,160 Instead of treating them like an end in and of themself and 195 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,160 treating them with dignity, respect, and reason, you're more 196 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,000 or less treating them like a slave, claiming that you own, 197 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,640 that you have a better claim to their body, their time, and 198 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,840 their property then they do. So even if it's for the good, 199 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,160 people should be reading the Volunteerist handbook, but I 200 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,520 don't think they should be coerced into reading it. 201 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,240 I think they should fund great organizations, like if Larry 202 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Sharp runs for Governor of New York. 203 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,160 Again, I don't think people should be forced to, but this is 204 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,600 the classic. They should support him. 205 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,200 But this is the classic imperialist mindset where you 206 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,240 can clearly say, well, Britain was clearly wrong to impose 207 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,920 itself on 1/3 of the world, but if I occupy Washington, DCI can 208 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,360 impose my will on 330 million Americans whether they like it 209 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,200 or not. Got it? 210 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,120 They've completely rationalized something for themselves, which 211 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,520 they've vilified for everyone. Else. 212 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,000 So you're saying that even if we vote doesn't make it OK? 213 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,760 Even if my intent is good doesn't make it OK. 214 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,480 Even if I have some data that might show that the thing I want 215 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:46,000 is good doesn't make it OK. So then how can we, how can we 216 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,320 get people to be safer or better or whatever the case may be? 217 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,480 If we're not going to have the federal government making laws, 218 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,080 What do we do? By having a system of free 219 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,440 exchange, which means any consenting adult has the right 220 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,520 to exchange property, money, time, voluntarily, what you do 221 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,200 is you allow for the most amount of people to make as many 222 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,920 mutually beneficial voluntary exchanges that allow you to 223 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,880 adjust for the amount of safety that you want. 224 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,880 So the more freedom there is, the more safe opportunities 225 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,600 there are. If you take the case of PayPal, 226 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,400 when your PayPal account gets hacked, no one but we had a big 227 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,320 hacking the other week at work. None of them are libertarians 228 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,400 and none of them said we need to call 911. 229 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:34,560 What they did do is we need to go to our Google backup, we need 230 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:38,080 to go to our PayPal security, drive more private security, our 231 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,600 Facebook security, and finally they did a ransomware called 232 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,240 Sentinel One. So they used four people to 233 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,080 protect their property, to keep them safe. 234 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,600 None of them involved the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the state 235 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,120 police. So when people actually want 236 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,160 things done safely, done effectively, when they want 237 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,880 their property and their person to be kept safe, they will go to 238 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,120 the free market. Having a free market gives more 239 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,680 people that option than if there was state coercion into the 240 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:06,320 economy. Also, another way to get people 241 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,120 to do things safely is have really cool people. 242 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,960 This is what the idea of advertising is. 243 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,120 They get a celebrity to do something so people will 244 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,600 hopefully copy them. So when we find really cool 245 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,320 people like Dave Smith or sometimes Joe Rogan, RFK Junior 246 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,400 yourself, Larry Elder, Walter Williams, when those really cool 247 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,000 people start doing the safe things, then it becomes more 248 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,120 popular. It becomes. 249 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,600 It becomes a green light for the population as a. 250 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:36,840 Whole of community and and and our our example. 251 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,920 OK, he's doing it. Maybe I should oh she's doing 252 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,160 that. OK maybe I should. 253 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,760 It's more like that. Exactly. 254 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,120 So this idea of human respect, this idea of focusing on it, it 255 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,520 is then in your view a natural law, a natural principle that's 256 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:55,480 basically I'm breaking. You sound like an absolutist in 257 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,880 that look, this is the way. And there's, there's never an 258 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,680 example that we shouldn't, shouldn't always focus on 259 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:03,960 persuasion. Am I wrong? 260 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:07,880 There there can be examples. Every rule has an exception, 261 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,840 including this 1. So it's a large scale general 262 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,800 trend. There could be times where 263 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,120 forcing someone to perform labor against their will, such as a 264 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,080 doctor, you could save someone's life. 265 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,480 That doesn't mean enslaving people is a good general rule. 266 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,560 Sometimes if you steal one piece of medicine, you can save 267 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:27,240 someone's life and then later compensate. 268 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,960 Your general rule shouldn't be. Therefore let's steal. 269 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,320 Also, it especially shouldn't be Let's give one Group A sole 270 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,000 monopoly right to initiate taxes, to be able to declare 271 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,360 war, to have a monopoly on guns, to have a monopoly on the 272 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,760 judicial system, to have a monopoly on compulsory 273 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,920 education. All of those general rules are 274 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,160 bad. It doesn't mean you can never 275 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,640 find exceptions. What it means you don't have 276 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,840 this organization that acts like a bat signal constantly 277 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,480 attracting the most evil people who want to initiate coercion 278 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,240 against innocent people. And we see that no matter what 279 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,480 that they seldom if ever will face consequences when they do 280 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,200 unjust things. Joe Biden, August 29th of 2021 281 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,960 murdered 10 civilians and seven children in Afghanistan, in 282 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,880 Kabul. And there was never even a 283 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,680 discussion of you think he's going to get impeached? 284 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,160 If I did it, I'd go to jail. You think Joe Biden is going to 285 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,360 go to jail? No, no, not at all. 286 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,480 And they might give him a Nobel Peace Prize. 287 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,640 They might if things in Ukraine don't get completely nuclear. 288 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:26,960 They. Probably has to bomb a couple 289 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,040 more countries though together. I mean, Obama bombed like eight 290 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,760 or nine to get his. So Joe Biden though, hasn't 291 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,120 bombed enough yet to the Peace Prize. 292 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,880 Couple more bombings, maybe he'd get one. 293 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,720 Not yet, but that's why the state is so dangerous and also 294 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,560 it turns really good people into justifying the most atrocious 295 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,160 things. People who will bump into you 296 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,720 and apologize and say I didn't mean to will literally say I 297 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,120 don't care that 100,000 people in Tokyo were killed during 298 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,560 Operation Meetinghouse in March of 1945. 299 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,800 After all, they were part of the damn Japanese imperialists, 300 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,440 constantly generalizing. No respect, back to no human 301 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,240 respect, not respecting humans or humanity, back to 302 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,960 dehumanizing people. Oh, it's, they're imperialists, 303 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,480 they're not humans, right? They're whatever, They're 304 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Russians, They're not humans, They're whatever, right? 305 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,200 They're conservatives, they're liberals. 306 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,720 They're not humans, right? I, I think it goes back to the 307 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:17,840 again. All right. 308 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,200 So let me ask you, do you think as you're communicating, I mean, 309 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,560 you've look, you've written a book on this, right? 310 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,120 You've put together, you've put together tons of stories. 311 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,400 How many stories have you read? Probably hundreds by now. 312 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:33,680 Do you think focusing on human respect as a as an actual 313 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,000 natural principle, do you think that's gonna make things easier 314 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,360 or harder to communicate? And what I mean by that is if I 315 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,160 start with hi, I'm a voluntarist or hi, I'm a libertarian, is 316 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,320 that is that lead gonna stop versus I say, hey, hi. 317 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,040 Can we talk about some human respect here? 318 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,040 By the way? I'm this, I'm that. 319 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,440 Do you think it's better to leave the human respect or not? 320 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,000 Yes, and I really haven't thought about this much, but I 321 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:06,320 will say that is why I have such a crush on RFK Junior 'cause he 322 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,640 came to Pork Fest and defended us publicly when the Democrats 323 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,720 were bashing him saying look at that, I can't believe. 324 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,760 Doesn't he know that these people are a bunch of free 325 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,120 Staters and some of them don't even believe that there should 326 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,080 be a state in existence. And RFK said these people 327 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,680 believe in freedom. I generally believe in freedom 328 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,240 of speech. I'm against censorship. 329 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,480 I'm against the wars. We have a lot in common. 330 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,160 I'm going to Pork Fest. So I waited in line. 331 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,600 We got in and we saw him there. So just because he's willing to 332 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,800 treat us with respect, I like him so much more. 333 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,760 So if we're able to learn from that and treat others with 334 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,600 sometimes undeserving but still initiating respect against 335 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,600 people so long as they don't think that well, when we say we 336 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,040 believe in freedom, we actually mean the Koch brothers should be 337 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,640 crawling the shots and forcing you to to be subjugated to them. 338 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,600 So long as, like I do with my book, I start off the very first 339 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,440 section is a list of definitions. 340 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,800 This way we can all be on the same page. 341 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,400 So we know communism is the abolition of private property, 342 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,920 socialism is the institutionalized aggression 343 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,560 against private property, and capitalism is a social system of 344 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,720 the explicit recognition of voluntary private property 345 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,560 contracts between consenting adults. 346 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,520 So once you define the terms, you can say, OK, even if I 347 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,680 disagree with this person, he's not completely crazy. 348 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,359 He doesn't want big business to have all these extra rights. 349 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,920 In fact, the free market makes it so big business can't get a 350 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,280 penny out of your pocket or a second of your time unless you 351 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,160 voluntarily give it to them. With a state, there's Raytheon, 352 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,680 Boeing, Northrop Grumman, who can take tons of your cash. 353 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,120 They don't even need to go to you. 354 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:39,640 In fact, they laugh if you complain. 355 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,800 So it is about rooting it in respect largely. 356 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,200 And and I think we're we'd be doing ourselves a great service 357 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,600 by leading by example with something like that. 358 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,040 I also feel like Tulsi Gabbard respects us in a way that when 359 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,920 we're being called deplorable by Hillary Clinton or constantly 360 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,160 being negatively generalized by Joe Biden. 361 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,680 Growing up in school, I always felt disrespected Americans or 362 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,360 these people, they just invented slavery. 363 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,160 Whites are constantly engaged in imperialism. 364 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,640 I was always insecure and very feel and felt I was very 365 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,240 disrespected because of that. So if we could learn from that, 366 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,440 flip the lesson on its head, I think libertarians are in for a 367 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,240 a better future than we otherwise would be. 368 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,480 So that's a great way of saying we went on leave with human 369 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,400 respect and that'll actually make things better. 370 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,720 I appreciate it. Keith, thank you so much for 371 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,000 giving me a few minutes. I appreciate it. 372 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,000 Larry Sharp, thanks so much, brother. 373 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:30,360 Bye.