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So, dr. 
Paul, thanks so much effort. 

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Joining me, Libertarians focus a
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institutions in society. 
I'm curious what makes 

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government a unique institution 
worth all this intellectual 

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energy. 
Well, it's worth the energy. 

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If the energy is being used to 
devise a government, that is 

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strictly limited to the 
protection of Liberty. 

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If we're going to have 
government, it should be 

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strictly limited, the Sounders 
man, attempted that, but it 

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didn't work out. 
So, All that were too many 

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loopholes, but all the energy I 
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going into government, which is 
illicit is not a good 

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government. 
It's not constitutional. 

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It's not beneficial, and it has 
very little to do with Liberty. 

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Matter of fact, when you look at
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the monetary system. 
It's it's divine that divides 

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me, amazed to undermine Liberty.
So, all that activity is 

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negative. 
So, in many ways, freedom, is 

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something that is negative in 
the sense of what the government

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shouldn't be. 
Be doing rather than all these 

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things. 
They say. 

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Well, we have to have people 
Freedom From Any needs and not 

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be injured in any way and they 
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Well, that's not freedom. 
Freedom means the government to 

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be allows us to be less time to 
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to ourselves. 
Well, there's also corporations 

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that have a lot of power. 
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government doing something and 
something being done in the 

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marketplace? 
Well, sometimes there's no 

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difference and that's A problem 
when the government does it, and

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if they get involved in a 
commercial event and they're 

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competitive with a, you know, 
product composition competition 

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is, this should be wrong morally
economically and 

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constitutionally, but then 
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too many people accepting the 
marketplace isn't purely in the 

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market, then there's just 
mixture that goes on. 

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So when I hear socialist 
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free markets and all this 
Freedom being - that Is look at 

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what the corporations are doing.
I think people have to sort it 

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out or the corporations big and 
in control of things because 

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they're in collusion with the 
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think happens the government and
even our social media. 

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That's great and they give us a 
lot of services. 

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But they also had been developed
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and they provide so much of the 
private information of 

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individuals to the government. 
That's no longer private. 

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It's quasi-private, but Closer 
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system, but it's also closer to 
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That would be a free enterprise.
What is the non-aggression 

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principle in self-defense 
principle? 

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Well, the non-aggression 
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about a whole lot and very 
simple. 

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Nobody's a lot of commit 
aggression and the boshy ice in 

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the law is really good on this, 
because he makes a point that 

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most people do understand, they,
take the position that you can. 

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Antsy over people, you can't 
hurt people and people recognize

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that and they, they want to be 
protected against somebody 

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Cummings and see him hurting 
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But but starships and play in my
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should apply to the government. 
So if you don't want, if you 

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want an honest government, you 
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tell us lies, but they tell us a
lot and they commit a lot of 

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aggressions lighting, it illegal
Wars, they commit to a lot of 

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Fraud and theft by having a 
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So, if we as individuals on a 
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shouldn't be allowed to do it. 
So the non-aggression is, people

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can't commit aggression and they
can't have that aggression 

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committed by a government for 
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If you can't steal from your 
neighbor, you're not a lot of 

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senior Congressman into your 
neighbor's house and take what 

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you want from them and 
redistribute the wealth. 

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And that is one principle that 
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to. 
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the for And policy the same way 
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against our friends, and our 
neighbors, and the government 

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shouldn't do that. 
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say, Hey, you know, it's a good 
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the oil in Saudi Arabia or 
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We use aggression to do that. 
That that is wrong. 

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It should be a nonaggression 
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act of war or sanctions or 
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It doesn't. 
That by ignoring it, we endorse 

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everything that they do, but if 
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East and it's a complex, 
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complex. 
It's out of our jurisdiction and

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it won't, it doesn't help. 
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to do it and it usually 
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So Appliance to foreign policy, 
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because many people have heard 
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when you do something and you 
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Have to do decide that you're 
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happy. 
So, if we go and start bombing 

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people and putting on sanctions 
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support, one faction of the 
other, they're going to be 

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pretty unhappy with this. 
And that's greed's, you know, 

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the terrorist attacks against 
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Let's say that I'm someone who 
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interests of or Americans. 
Why should I care about 

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libertarianism? 
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you could start, you know, with 
the with our settlement at 

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Plymouth Brenna's Rock and 
clintus colony because for three

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years, they try socialism and it
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People died and starve to death 
and they get along together and 

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then they finally turned over 
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They sort of the land to the 
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me striving and it survived. 
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the more free. 
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have we were and had been in the
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Now, the freest country ever, 
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largest middle class ever. 
But now that we've destroyed are

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in the process of destroying our
currency, this destroys the 

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middle class of the middle class
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more people hungry, even though 
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prosperity, but at the same time
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in the streets, so if we want 
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to have a Freer market and if 
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Zimbabwe and that is the 
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American countries. 
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that are very prosperous, but 
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we're becoming less free and 
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What do you mean? 
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world, but it's all based on 
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world's currencies like Clinic 
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Take our money and they Support 
such an Eis, our prosperity, but

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that comes to an end. 
And what it does, it sort of 

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collapses. 
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old. 
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of. 
A lot of people, even though 

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there's some problems. 
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the free or a country is more 
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It'll be the larger. 
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less violence will occur. 
Many people say that we need the

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state to regulate companies that
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interests at the expense of 
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Is the need for economic 
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government intervention? 
No, it's a lot of people believe

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that to be the case that the 
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many people from a libertarian 
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No regulation. 
No regulation. 

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That's not my position. 
I don't want government 

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regulation. 
I went Market regulation, so 

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that if there's a housing bubble
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don't, you don't bail out the 
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They said, well, when we need 
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could be in and they being in 
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I know if you want more 
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the banking industry, the 
bankers come in and write the 

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regulation. 
So they always backfires you 

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want they regulation on drugs. 
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regulator. 
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prices up and saying way with 
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regulations and distribution of 
wealth, you get the worst of 

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conditions. 
But I kind of avoid talking 

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about no regulations. 
I don't want arbitrary, special,

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interest regulation. 
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As soon as the government get 
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will gravitate to Washington 
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What we well, we want to do is 
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Some people say, well, yeah, we 
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writing these regulations and 
all this, that that doesn't 

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work, as long as the government 
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somebody's going to try to take 
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that is the reason why I come to
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You have to eliminate this 
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have no incentive in the best 
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never bothered other than 
washing, for 23 years. 

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I was never bothered with a 
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and I technically and morally, I
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there's a group of companies and
they had passed, and they wanted

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somebody to like, Bang, you know
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I would I would take the money 
for we're legal, but no, they 

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just didn't bother with me 
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They wanted to make a deal with 
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And so it's power of this said, 
a have to get rid of not more 

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regulation. 
So I don't I don't endorse this 

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whole idea that we have to get 
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We want to get government out of
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how to run our laws. 
Are there any votes you made in 

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Congress that you regret? 
Not really. 

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There's a couple. 
I guess people could go through.

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Sometimes you get a bill that 
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mixture. 
It is, it isn't always clean cut

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whenever clean cut, it was very 
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Sometimes you have to weigh it. 
What does he have a bill that 

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says that the you're going to 
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So, and so, but you're going to 
raise the taxes on somebody 

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else. 
Well, is there an answer to And 

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I always how you just use a 
calculator if there was, and you

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were saving more money than your
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was even Stephen, I would look 
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Does the most harm to the 
economy. 

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There may be something like 
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I've never looked at every 
single vote to find out which 

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one it would be, but no, 
basically, most people kidding 

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me. 
They said, we try sleep well at 

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night and I'd like to think 
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So, Yeah, it's interesting 
during this impeachment inquiry.

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I remember you actually gave 
alternative reasoning for voting

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for Bill Clinton's, impeachment.
Why did you all vote to impeach 

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Bill Clinton? 
Yeah. 

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Well, you know, in some ways, 
maybe somebody who wanted to be 

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really nitpicking with me? 
- are you like I give a thought 

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about that? 
Maybe I shouldn't. 

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Dollar sign is too because of 
because of their lack of 

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respect. 
For the Constitution, Ronald 

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Reagan. 
I knew him the best and he was a

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good person. 
And, and yet he did some things 

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that I just really didn't like 
the Congress. 

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Had passed a Bill Boland 
amendment to prohibit the 

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presence of spending any money 
in Nicaragua and they did it 

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secretly. 
And I thought it was, you know, 

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it's not that he shouldn't have 
done it anyway, without In a 

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Prohibition, its parts 
Constitution doesn't allow him 

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to just go starters on war but 
to for the Congress to speak 

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out. 
It's just a reverse of declaring

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words that don't go to war yet. 
They still did did get involved.

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So that's just an example of 
their, they're all guilty to 

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some degree on the, I like to 
think more definite. 

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Practical thing, I'm saying we 
should be impeaching these 

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ideas, you know to make a point 
where you want to live in. 

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Free prosperous is high. 
You have to get rid of the bad 

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ideas and get people to replace 
them with better ideas. 

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And that's why I spent a lot of 
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Austrian economics and working 
for sound money because I'm so 

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convinced that as long as you 
have a money machine and it's 

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always a monopoly at the 
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That is what facilitate that's 
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So the root liberals and the 
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deficits don't matter. 
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running over trillion dollars a 
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Year, it's going higher. 
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Usually a greater deficits in 
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It's all a farce, but it's also 
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forever causes is finally 
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collapses because we can't 
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And that's when people like you 
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speaking loudly. 
And clearly about what can 

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replace it. 
It's not complex. 

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It's just a concept of Liberty. 
Terrific, final question for 

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you, your Talking to someone 
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libertarianism. 
What is your elevator pitch? 

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I think, would you like to be in
charge of your own life and that

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would be yet. 
Do you think the government 

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should tell you about how to 
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What ye drink, smoke religion, I
hang out. 

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Do you think the government 
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Most people say it's my life, I 
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Well, do you think the 
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wars, you know, without 
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And she, we always fight Wars. 
For Nationals. 

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Most people would say it's 
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And in spending money on Wars 
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also on economic policy. 
It's instead of talking to in a 

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2002, much academically say, 
well, you know, I like an 

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homage. 
Why don't you have the right to 

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spend your money? 
You have a right to your life. 

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Why shouldn't you have it right 
to keep your money if you have a

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right to keep you. 
Anybody, but we can see that 

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with the income tax. 
They may all your life because 

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you have to get everything to 
the government and the 

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government gives you back so 
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you're going to spend it. 
So, it's just a matter of 

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personal Liberty. 
That should be should bring 

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people together. 
It'll be more prosperity and a 

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lot more peace. 
Thank you to everyone listening 

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and thank you. 
Dr. Paul for promoting 

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separation of economy and state 
for the same reason. 

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We need separation of church and
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Take care. 
Well, wonderful. 

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I could be with you.
