1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:03,700 Anarchy is the simple recognition that no man woman or 2 00:00:03,700 --> 00:00:06,800 group thereof is ever wise enough to come up with the best 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,400 possible way to run other people's lives. 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,100 Just as no one else could be able to enforce on you. 5 00:00:12,100 --> 00:00:15,200 His choice of a marriage partner or compelled you to follow a 6 00:00:15,207 --> 00:00:18,100 career of his choosing. No one else should be able to 7 00:00:18,100 --> 00:00:22,000 enforce his preferences for social organization upon you. 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,600 Welcome to keep my don't tread on anyone. 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,600 And the libertarian Institute today. 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,400 I have Shane of what's Happening, Shane, the thank you 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,700 for Joining me. Where is the best place to find 12 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:38,300 your archive of work? Well, the internet for sure, but 13 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:42,300 no seriously, so just look up what's happening and that 14 00:00:42,300 --> 00:00:50,500 spelled h APA and Ing and that's, that's our podcast. 15 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:55,000 So, if you look that up on an Apple Spotify Stitcher and also 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,300 over at Odyssey, bitch, YouTube, you can find us there or you can 17 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:03,000 also look up Hapa Supremacy. You can also find us there too. 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,200 So But the podcast name is called what's Happening. 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,900 Sounds good. All of those links will be in 20 00:01:08,900 --> 00:01:10,900 the description below. Shane. 21 00:01:10,900 --> 00:01:13,600 How would you describe anarcho-capitalism to someone 22 00:01:13,700 --> 00:01:15,500 completely unfamiliar with the ideas? 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,900 well, that's I'm sure you have a lot of anarcho-capitalist or and 24 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:25,000 caps that watch your show. So I'm just going to go right 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,000 off the bat and say that me talking about 26 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,400 anarcho-capitalism. They're probably going to be 27 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,100 shaking their head because that's something that I've been 28 00:01:34,100 --> 00:01:38,800 grappling with. I see, people say that. 29 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,400 Antico capitalism is like an oxymoron because they'll say, 30 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,100 well, capitalism is a system with a government in and, of 31 00:01:49,100 --> 00:01:53,500 course, Anarchy or and I'll go is no government. 32 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:55,700 So it doesn't seem like those which fit too. 33 00:01:55,700 --> 00:02:01,600 Well, they would don't seem like oxymorons, but for someone who's 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,800 not familiar with it and to kind of help, I guess better explain 35 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,900 it. It will just be to let the free 36 00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:12,400 market. Kind of, I guess, correct 37 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:21,500 itself, or to help. Kind of the economy get where it 38 00:02:21,508 --> 00:02:25,100 needs to be because we're what we're living in right now, 39 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,200 obviously isn't an end cap Society or even really a 40 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,700 capitalist Society what kind of hoped especially now with all 41 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:33,400 the covid stuff that's happened. We're living in a more of a 42 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,500 fascist Society. So I don't know. 43 00:02:36,500 --> 00:02:38,800 That's probably not really answering your question, but 44 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,900 that's it's just something that I've been kind of grappling with 45 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:45,300 myself. So even me, I'm not even 100% 46 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:49,600 familiar with anarcho-capitalism, so Teeth, 47 00:02:49,700 --> 00:02:52,800 how would you describe a capitalism to me? 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:59,200 I would describe it as a society where there is the no 49 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,900 institutionalized recognition of any person or group of people 50 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:06,200 having the right to initiate aggression or physical 51 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,500 interference with anyone else. So, the only two ways that human 52 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:13,600 beings could achieve their ends would be through voluntary 53 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,200 exchange contract, or original appropriation, which is mixing 54 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,900 their labor. Or Contracting with other people 55 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:25,200 with unowned property or virgin land so to speak. 56 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:30,100 That's how I do it to you too. The average person I'd say, it 57 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,100 would be separation of economy and state. 58 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:35,600 For the same reason, we have separation of church and state. 59 00:03:35,700 --> 00:03:37,500 All interactions should be voluntary. 60 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,900 What makes government unique is that claims the right to 61 00:03:39,900 --> 00:03:41,800 initiate aggression against peaceful people? 62 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:46,500 That is probably what what I would say you had mentioned that 63 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:50,700 anatomy of the state was a book that Was said pretty much. 64 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:53,300 I got you really interested in a lot of these ideas. 65 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,800 What are some of the things you learn from anatomy of the state 66 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:01,100 and Murray rothbard? Well, just that simple question 67 00:04:01,100 --> 00:04:02,500 of. Do you hate the state? 68 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,400 I think it kind of kept the capsule eights everything. 69 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,200 But yeah, that book is interesting because The way that 70 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,600 he kind of described government like you were saying they have 71 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,399 this, the Monopoly on force and violence and everything like 72 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,500 that. It was something where someone 73 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:26,800 with a virgin mind like myself kind of looking into these 74 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,600 ideas. It was mind-blowing. 75 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,100 I guess you could say and I, and I didn't even know about Anatomy 76 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:40,900 estate until I first started listening to part of the problem 77 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:43,300 with Dave Smith. So Dave Smith is really the 78 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:46,000 reason that I kind of got into libertarianism the first place, 79 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,400 where the very least got interested in those ideas 80 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:54,800 because and I wish I knew exactly the episode that I that 81 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,900 I watched or listened to because at the time I was a compound 82 00:04:58,900 --> 00:05:03,600 media subscriber and he he's 1/3 of the Legion of skanks and they 83 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,300 are they used to be part of compound media and it's because 84 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:12,300 at the time I wasn't really like Legions Keynes was just there. 85 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:18,000 I was mainly to watch Anthony Kumi and show but Maybe they had 86 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,400 a Gaston or someone that I was interested in. 87 00:05:20,407 --> 00:05:22,500 Maybe Anthony was on. I don't know, a hundred percent, 88 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,900 but maybe Dave mentioned. Oh, yeah, I'm host of part of 89 00:05:27,907 --> 00:05:29,700 the problem as well. I'm doing his events or 90 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:32,200 something like that. So I was like, okay, I'll maybe 91 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,800 I'll listen to part of the problem and then just how he 92 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,600 pulled it was talking about politics and everything. 93 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:44,100 Like that was really eye-opening because someone like me, where I 94 00:05:44,100 --> 00:05:47,800 was only familiar with Republican Democrat, 95 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,300 conservative liberal. That was about it. 96 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:51,800 I was pretty much what I was thinking of. 97 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,400 Oh, it's just a two-part. That's it. 98 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:56,400 You know, it's just Just McCain Obama. 99 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,200 That's it. So you got so pick Who you gonna 100 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,400 get democracy, right democracy at work. 101 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,800 But so I know I'm kind of going all over the place with your 102 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,400 original question, but that's what led me to anatomy of the 103 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,900 state. And I don't know. 104 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:23,400 It's interesting because I think someone who isn't even a 105 00:06:23,407 --> 00:06:25,500 Libertarian can look at that book. 106 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:28,400 And even if they don't become a full-fledged, libertarian or 107 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,000 Anarchist, even am an artist, I guess you could say, they can 108 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,000 look at it and read it and everything be like, well, that 109 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,600 was, it was really interesting because he kind of puts he says 110 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,300 things and that like I was just saying I hadn't even 111 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,400 contemplated before. I know it's really unbelievable. 112 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,100 Like, on page 11. He just sums it up. 113 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:54,800 So, clearly rothbard says, the state, is that organization in 114 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,100 society, which attempts to maintain a monopoly on the use 115 00:06:58,100 --> 00:07:02,000 of force and violence in a given territorial area in particular. 116 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,800 It is the only organization in society that obtains its 117 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,800 Revenue, not by voluntary, contribution, or payment for 118 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,200 services rendered, but by coercion when I read that it was 119 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,300 just almost life-changing because I had been I had so 120 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:19,200 long, I had talked about what government should do, what it 121 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,000 shouldn't do, who's running it, how Civics works. 122 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,300 And I never had a consistent definition of government. 123 00:07:26,300 --> 00:07:30,500 The whole time was just getting a solid definition, so much of a 124 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:33,700 red pill for you that it almost just follows. 125 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:35,900 Logically, if you really know what it is. 126 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:39,100 You either are not thinking about it or your kind of 127 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:43,000 immoral. Yeah, you're kind of I guess 128 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:49,500 making excuses for what the It is doing to people and I mean 129 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:53,100 just as of as of this recording tax day. 130 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:56,500 It was just around the corner or we just passed it or whatever. 131 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,000 And That's that's one of those things because oh, yeah, you're 132 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,500 that that all that phrase. Everyone says, well, there's 133 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:09,100 only two things that are inevitable, death and taxes, but 134 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,700 then we anatomist State and just other libertarian works. 135 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:16,400 You think? Well, of course death everybody 136 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,100 dies, but Taxes went around. I'm pretty sure. 137 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:22,100 I mean, maybe they were back because that's one of the 138 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:26,100 reasons why the colony started existing was because all 139 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:28,900 taxation with representation teas at a 2% tax. 140 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:30,900 We don't like this. And now everybody makes this get 141 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:32,799 well, you know, you gotta pay your taxes to have the roads 142 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:36,200 built, or whatever, you know, or you gonna have taxes or taxes 143 00:08:36,299 --> 00:08:39,200 page that we can go and bomb Afghanistan or something like 144 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:44,100 that, you know. So and and then on page 53, I 145 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:48,500 think he also does an excellent job just as the two basic and 146 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:51,400 mutually exclusive interrelations between men are 147 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,300 peaceful cooperation or coercive exploitation production or 148 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:57,800 predation. So the history of mankind, 149 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,100 particularly its economic history. 150 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:04,100 May be considered as a contest between these two principles. 151 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:07,500 I think that's so vitally important because what are the 152 00:09:07,500 --> 00:09:10,500 two divides today black versus white Mexican? 153 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:14,200 American man versus woman in Rich versus poor when those are 154 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,400 so obviously fake and fraudulent. 155 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,700 How do you get people? If you do to stop seeing things 156 00:09:21,700 --> 00:09:24,700 through this arbitrary, false divide, and get them to see 157 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:29,100 things on principle? well, I mean, you kind of just 158 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:34,400 also said it where They kind of try and pin or divide everybody 159 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:38,700 with this black-and-white or basically trying to divide 160 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:41,500 everyone with race or anything like that and all that. 161 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:51,200 But with principle, I think I think how I try and do it at 162 00:09:51,208 --> 00:09:53,700 least, especially on our podcast, is to kind of just show 163 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:57,700 that it doesn't matter where the whether they have an r or D next 164 00:09:57,700 --> 00:10:00,500 to their name. They're all corrupt. 165 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:06,300 They're all blood-soaked monsters and they're all just 166 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:13,000 It's just a game, really? And they're supposed to 167 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,100 represent you. That's why it's some of them are 168 00:10:15,100 --> 00:10:24,300 called Representatives, but they clearly don't onion like Sounds 169 00:10:24,300 --> 00:10:26,900 like some of the representatives are still trying to make these 170 00:10:26,900 --> 00:10:30,400 excuses, to where we need to stay in the Middle East, when 171 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,500 the people are clearly in favor of getting the troops out. 172 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:39,000 But if they're supposed to represent us all 80% of 173 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,600 Americans, or of my constituents, whatever, think 174 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,500 that we should get it. Okay. 175 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:45,000 Well, I will vote to get them to, you know, to get the people 176 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,800 out to get this the military out of Afghanistan. 177 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,000 Ah, I'm good. I have all this money is coming 178 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,500 in from the military industrial complex, and all these And 179 00:10:53,500 --> 00:10:56,500 everything like that, Israel Lobby, I'm all right, I'm Gonna 180 00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:59,000 Keep. I got man, those pockets of 181 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,800 money that I got there, deep. I don't get rid of that. 182 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:08,000 So I kind of just I basically try and show people just the 183 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:15,400 just how much of a scam it all is really, as best as I possibly 184 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,200 can and try in some Layman way. I try to do it like that. 185 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:24,500 Dave Smith obviously has really been a big influence on both of 186 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:26,400 us. He wrote the forward to Peak 187 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,700 Winona's his book. He says it is equally ridiculous 188 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:32,100 that Libertarians, still must argue our case. 189 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:35,500 After all, what civilized person would not embrace the principle 190 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:38,100 of non-aggression, who would reject the philosophy of peace 191 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:40,300 and prosperity. While the Socialist nightmare 192 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:42,200 was playing out. The 20th century. 193 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,000 Saw those countries that embraced individual liberty or 194 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,600 at least in a far better job of it. 195 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,500 Enjoy a level of wealth and comfort never experienced in. 196 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,400 Three in the 21st century, hundreds of millions had been 197 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,100 pulled out of extreme poverty by market liberalization. 198 00:11:55,300 --> 00:11:58,100 The Marxist socialist experiments that are still 199 00:11:58,100 --> 00:12:02,000 taking place, Cuba Venezuela, North Korea, to name a few all, 200 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,300 share the classic features of mass poverty starvation and a 201 00:12:05,308 --> 00:12:08,600 totalitarian state. How do you think such evil ideas 202 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:14,000 are able to last so long? Well, I think if you tried real 203 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,400 socialism, then it would work is not is not the correct answer. 204 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,200 Of course, it's always that it wasn't the right person. 205 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,300 See whenever the free market fails. 206 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,500 It's inherently bad. Like they would never give us 207 00:12:29,500 --> 00:12:33,200 the leeway of saying, you know what, those were some bad CEOs 208 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:36,600 of those companies. So we just need different CEOs. 209 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,100 So now you're never going to stop us. 210 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,000 We're always going to have the oh if only. 211 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,200 Different CFO or a CO o had been in a higher position, you know, 212 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,900 of course. It's so hard to falsify. 213 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:52,700 Have you found anything really beneficial when it comes to 214 00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:54,400 communicating the ideas of Freedom? 215 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,400 That sort of, just really red pill someone or wake them up to 216 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,000 the nature of the state or the evils of socialism, and statism 217 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:07,800 will kind of going back to the answer that I said before, just 218 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,600 kind of showing that doesn't matter. 219 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:13,800 What are they have in our are D next to their name? 220 00:13:14,100 --> 00:13:18,000 You're really kind of have to look at their actions more than 221 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,600 what they say. Because, you know, they'll say 222 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,700 oh, yeah, I think this and that whatever but then when you look 223 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:28,300 at their voting record, it's a completely different story and I 224 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:33,500 think. I think was showing that because 225 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:37,300 like Bernie Sanders is a big name that he's a big guy is 226 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:44,000 trying to get all the Socialist, like, proposals and or whatever. 227 00:13:44,300 --> 00:13:47,900 And but even with that, even with him being in there, they 228 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:51,600 kind of look at them as this, you know, the kind of look at 229 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,100 them with one eye open. I don't know about this guy and 230 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:58,100 then in the AOC as well, Alexandria cause of Cortez, and 231 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,800 I guess, I don't know what they're what a team. 232 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,700 That she has other the other three, what? 233 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:03,900 They could the squad. That's it. 234 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:07,600 The squad. But I mean. 235 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,400 I don't know. I think the whole thing is just 236 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,500 the whole thing is just stupid. As far as other things, you've 237 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:19,900 learned from Dave Smith. I just love what a great 238 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,200 communicator. He is. 239 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,000 I think he's so cool. He can talk to Ben. 240 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,900 Burgess, Nick Fuentes Anthony Kumi ofcourse. 241 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:29,700 And you know what? Jim Norton Anthony Come On, Dave 242 00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:32,200 Smith are together. I'm just like in heaven. 243 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,400 They're like just my favorite people. 244 00:14:34,900 --> 00:14:37,400 What are some other things? Whether they're like empirical 245 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,100 knowledge, you got from Dave Smith or Ways of communicating 246 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:42,600 that you thought were beneficial. 247 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:50,500 Well, one of the things that just overall thing that he was 248 00:14:50,500 --> 00:14:54,800 talking about was a no few years ago. 249 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:58,600 Net neutrality was a huge issue. And everybody was saying, oh, 250 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,200 forget rid of net neutrality, internet's going to go. 251 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,200 We're gonna have to pay a thousand dollars for internet 252 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:09,400 and you know those tweets Racine where every like one line and no 253 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,800 space one line because internet's going to be 254 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,800 downloading super slow speeds. If we get rid of net neutrality 255 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,600 and he was just like well, I mean as far as No, no neutrality 256 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,500 hasn't been around forever. It's only been around for not 257 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:24,700 too long. And then, of course. 258 00:15:24,700 --> 00:15:29,000 Now net neutrality is no longer around and we're doing this 259 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,300 fine. Everybody can watch it fine. 260 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,500 Everybody still got Wi-Fi, everybody still watching videos 261 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:36,000 on YouTube and odyssey, whatever. 262 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,700 So, I mean, as far as I know, it's had wasn't a problem with 263 00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:46,900 net neutrality, not being there. And so I know that was a big big 264 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:49,400 thing that he was talking about. Just those few episodes that he 265 00:15:49,408 --> 00:15:54,200 did about net neutrality. And then also, I think the 266 00:15:54,200 --> 00:16:00,300 biggest thing that he would talk about is just the wars and I 267 00:16:00,308 --> 00:16:04,600 mean I joked with him when he did that reason to be that the 268 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,000 so form with Nick's all working and I was basically joking with 269 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,100 him saying that because I asked Nick saw her question about 270 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:14,200 what's his what's his biggest issue and everything like that. 271 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,800 And and I said, well, I already know what days answer is going 272 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,600 to be. It's the wars and because you 273 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,300 know, all he talks about his podcast is Libya and Yemen is 274 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:25,800 like the get it, you know, so What did, what did Nick say his 275 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,300 biggest issue was the War on Drugs? 276 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,700 Okay, you know, that's not terrible. 277 00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:37,300 Yeah, it was just because that that really is the root of so 278 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:40,700 much like whenever there that the cops are saying. 279 00:16:40,900 --> 00:16:43,000 Well, let me talk to you. Let me get a little more 280 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,900 information. Let me search your car, all 281 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:47,800 these encroachments. It's not well I suspect you of 282 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,800 rape murder kidnapping and slavery. 283 00:16:49,900 --> 00:16:51,700 It's always you might have drugs on you. 284 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:54,500 That's always Their justification. 285 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,400 So it's just like this little tyranny window that they could 286 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:03,100 open up at anytime and androgen you also see videos of them 287 00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:08,700 planting drugs on people's Euro. He had we are but my god, oh, oh 288 00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:11,900 shit, there's weed right there. There was that one video that 289 00:17:11,900 --> 00:17:13,800 was going viral. Just recently where? 290 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,200 I guess it was the guys daughters ashes or something but 291 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,400 are saying oh it's we got to test this for drugs, whatever. 292 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,099 And he was like no, it's my it's my daughters ashes and some 293 00:17:23,099 --> 00:17:27,599 little necklace thing that he had on and it was just it was so 294 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:28,600 stupid. Ridiculous. 295 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,800 It's just, it broke your heart when you're watching this 296 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,000 because the guys was pleading, please just give me back my 297 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,000 daughter and her like now we gotta test it. 298 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,200 You know, everyone's laughing all the cops like this is great. 299 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,800 What we gotta do. Oh, really? 300 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:48,100 Okay, and I don't know I think Just yeah, just that in general. 301 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:53,000 It's just yeah, I kind of know when when someone says to you, 302 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:56,900 I'm terrified of a world where there aren't drug laws. 303 00:17:56,900 --> 00:17:59,000 I feel like everyone's going to be using and everything. 304 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,800 Do you ever try to persuade them? 305 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,800 That the ideas of voluntourism will not lead to the chaotic 306 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,500 World. They so often. 307 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:12,900 Fear it will Well, even with the drug laws that we have now, 308 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,600 people are still doing them. So obviously the laws aren't 309 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,400 Aren't working or at the very least, not 100% how they're 310 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,100 supposed to whatever because it's like Ron Paul said when he 311 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:28,800 was talking about drug, the this getting rid of the war on drugs 312 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,600 and all that. They do, you think the heels 313 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,900 pulling a camera, what state he was in one of those two 314 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,400 Republican debate, seems like how many of you people would 315 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,700 just start shooting up cocaine if they got rid of all drug 316 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:42,100 laws, and of course, probably hardly, maybe one person, maybe 317 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:47,500 what it would do it, but I know, I wouldn't because I see the 318 00:18:47,500 --> 00:18:50,000 effects of it and how harmful it can be. 319 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,800 So, I'm like, oh, well, I guess once the laws are gone. 320 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,600 I guess I'll just start snorting coke. 321 00:18:55,900 --> 00:18:59,500 Well, also, during alcohol, prohibition, you had to hide it 322 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,500 because the state was going to kidnap you. 323 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,500 So, what you would do is you'd have a much more dangerous 324 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:07,600 higher potent amount in moonshine, and moonshine, was 325 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,300 very popular. And now today because it's not 326 00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:13,200 illegal. You can drink beer and you it's 327 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,800 not everyone is using moonshine. So not, everyone would be using 328 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,000 meth people would be using some derivative of, you know, what is 329 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,500 commonly referred to as, probably Adderall or something 330 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:27,300 like that or Kratom probably just because it's more 331 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:30,200 accessible. So yeah, they're they're 332 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,900 constantly faking or just trying to scare us with absolute 333 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:36,800 nonsense. How about Michael? 334 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,800 Malice? What are some things you learned 335 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:45,000 from Michael malice? Michael malice is another guy 336 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:53,400 that just the way that he kind of puts things into perspective, 337 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,800 kind of like one of his big, one of the big catch phrases that he 338 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,200 says, that conservatism is progressivism driving the speed 339 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:06,400 limit and It's like, okay, so progressives were. 340 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,300 You know like pro-gay marriage or something like that and then 341 00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:13,500 now considers are, you know, gay marriage is fine when before 342 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:16,000 they enact Caitlyn Jenner's running, right? 343 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:16,800 Right. Exactly. 344 00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:19,900 So just how even though the progressives are here. 345 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:22,300 It's only gonna be a matter of time as those conservatives. 346 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:23,800 They're like, oh, yeah. I heard that too. 347 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,500 I mean, at the very least, maybe not. 348 00:20:27,700 --> 00:20:29,900 People wouldn't agree with them. But, at the very least, if can 349 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:32,800 serve her still even nowadays, if they were still, now, we're 350 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,000 still think marriage should be between a man and a woman, at 351 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,000 least we would have a different It's like, oh, yeah, Democrat 352 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,100 Progressive believes in gay marriage and the Republican 353 00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:45,300 conservative thinks that it should be a man woman. 354 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:46,700 Okay. Well, now, at least, I get, I 355 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:50,000 know where they're coming from, not just oh, yeah. 356 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,000 I'm a republican conservative, but I don't problem gay 357 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,200 marriage. It's fine. 358 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:57,100 If a Democrat Progressive hurt them, and get why? 359 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,700 I mean, they're probably going to vote for me anyway, but even 360 00:20:59,700 --> 00:21:01,200 still, it's like, why am I going to vote for that? 361 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,500 Purse? All those vote for the Democrats 362 00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:05,100 and progressives? Exactly. 363 00:21:05,100 --> 00:21:09,300 Yeah, I see that as saying that Progressive conservatives rather 364 00:21:09,500 --> 00:21:13,000 don't really have a solid foundation to refer to. 365 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,300 So if they say something like, well what the founders wanted 366 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:19,700 is, well, okay, the founders of North Korea. 367 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:23,700 Kim il-sung wanted there to be a dictatorship. 368 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:27,000 So therefore dictatorship is moral because that was their 369 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,800 country's founding. Well, no, it's democracy. 370 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,200 So mob rule. Well, no, it's a republic where 371 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,600 you have But then you can see Representatives don't even 372 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,100 represent the people and the people are ignorant. 373 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:43,100 So you probably don't even want them having representation in 374 00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:47,200 the first place. So it's on such it lacks such 375 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,900 Solid Ground. That it's no wonder that they 376 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:52,600 just follow the people that are actually in power controlling 377 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:58,200 the press and everything. Yeah, and I don't know if 378 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,200 Michael Mouse will ever see this or not, but I'm just going to go 379 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,800 and say that of all the guys that They have influenced me or 380 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,700 that I kind of I guess look up to I suppose politically he's 381 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:14,000 the one that I think intimidates me the most because just his 382 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,900 social media presence. You know, I feel if if you say 383 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:20,800 one wrong thing or not, even a wrong thing, even if it says 384 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,700 something he doesn't like it was blockading and get you know, 385 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:26,600 ostracize you but I can't dive. So sometimes I don't want to 386 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,500 interact with him because I'm saying, man, even if I agree 387 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:31,700 with this guy, he might just still block them because the new 388 00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:33,000 the word I used was wrong or something. 389 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,700 I don't know. So Well, if you're ever if you 390 00:22:35,708 --> 00:22:37,600 ever watch this, I'm intimidated by you. 391 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,300 And I know that I'm six foot and your the Willy Wonka Politics as 392 00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:44,900 Dave Rubin calls you. But that's how I feel. 393 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:49,400 Most important thing you learned from the works and contributions 394 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,400 of Tom Woods. Tom Waits. 395 00:22:53,500 --> 00:23:00,800 Oh, yeah, that guy he He's another one like Dave, where he 396 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:06,900 just, he kind of breaks the mold of the three by five card of 397 00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:09,200 allowable opinion. I feel like I'm just telling 398 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,000 everyone to catch phrases of all these people, you know, that's 399 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,900 like the whole thing just their catchphrase. 400 00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:15,300 I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. 401 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:22,600 Yeah, so but um, I mean Tom is just His just the amount of 402 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,200 stuff that he puts out all the time. 403 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,600 It's really, it's really admirable. 404 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:33,500 Just how much he works and I think that's one of the things 405 00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:36,200 I've learned is it's maybe not just his what he says 406 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,600 politically it's just his work. Ethic is just absolutely 407 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,600 incredible. And yeah, I think that's 408 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:48,300 definitely something that People can guess latch onto, but in 409 00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:52,100 terms of just what he, what he says, or what he believes in 410 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:53,800 politically. I mean, these guys are kind of 411 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,000 interchangeable in terms of how they believe, what they believe 412 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,000 in because they're kind of all in the same ilk I suppose. 413 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:06,200 But Tom is another good communicator like Dave, where he 414 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:12,600 can Even if he comes at a, more of a, scholarly way of doing it, 415 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,200 where Dave is kind of more I guess to Street Smart type of 416 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,400 way. I suppose you can say, because 417 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,300 he's kind of more of the mazes stand-up comic and Legion of 418 00:24:21,308 --> 00:24:24,800 skanks, of course, he has a different audience than Tom, but 419 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,300 the way that he kind of talks about Capitalism. 420 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,400 And I mean the cartoon that he's dead. 421 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,900 He has with Michael. Malice. 422 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:36,100 I'm watching nose, and him talking about Woodrow Wilson. 423 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:37,500 And I all I ever want to stay in the world. 424 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:39,000 Your Wilson is, or not, everybody. 425 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,500 But all these scholarly people, every time they rank. 426 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,800 They asked these high scholarly people at what their ranking, a 427 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,300 presence is Woodrow Wilson is for some reason always near the 428 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:51,600 top. I don't get it and, you know, 429 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,800 learning about how would your Wilson was this huge racist and 430 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,700 they didn't mention it in the episode. 431 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,900 It like the whole Federal Reserve I think happened while 432 00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:06,400 he was President, I believe but yeah, just just how we kind of 433 00:25:06,408 --> 00:25:09,600 conveys his message. I think is is really good. 434 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,700 Yeah, Tom is definitely an excellent Communicator. 435 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,200 I want to go into foreign policy because this was one where I was 436 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,500 a conservative for so long. It was really the foreign policy 437 00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:25,400 element that I thought the Libertarians volunteer us were 438 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,200 pretty good except for foreign policy. 439 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:29,700 What was it? It about the work of Scott 440 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:32,400 Horton that you found so attractive. 441 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:40,300 He's another one that if it wasn't for Dave, I would have. 442 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,100 I mean, I probably have got to him eventually, but the ones 443 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:47,700 were David and I would have, I would have never gotten into 444 00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:53,200 Scott as early as I did. But Just talking about how. 445 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,700 And I said this earlier too, and I'll probably say this again, 446 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:02,700 but just two are in the D. It doesn't really matter because 447 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,200 How it's supposed to be is that the D's are supposed to be doves 448 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,800 or supposed to love peace. You're supposed to want. 449 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,100 No, Bloodshed and not want the war stat to be going on and the 450 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:18,600 ours were supposed to be the ones. 451 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,500 They're like, no, we gotta, we gotta spread American democracy. 452 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,800 That's, that's how it was supposed to be. 453 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:27,700 But nowadays. It's basically just, they're all 454 00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:31,100 the same and I think for me that was the best was the biggest 455 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:33,600 issue. The foreign policy for For sure, 456 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,800 where it really lit. A candle over my head where I 457 00:26:38,808 --> 00:26:41,800 was just like, yeah, it doesn't matter. 458 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,100 I mean, Joe Biden was one of the, he's one of the biggest war 459 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:49,200 mongers, Obama was supposed to be this President. 460 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,000 And of course, he started Wars George W Bush when he was 461 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,600 running for president in the debate without doors that we 462 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,500 should be doing these nation building things, whatever. 463 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:01,400 And of course, it's the whole war on terror basically started 464 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,600 under him and Donald Trump is another one. 465 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,400 Oh, yeah, we know he's Wars or stupid your brother. 466 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,700 Let us in the war. And of course, Donald Trump 467 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,700 still did all the things he was he was being really hawkish 468 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:17,400 towards Russia and getting out of the Iran nuclear deal and all 469 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,400 that stuff is I mean, I guess because I know some people say 470 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,000 well he didn't start any wars but I mean, he still, he still a 471 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,700 them up and I know he tried to get out of Afghanistan but for 472 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,900 still over there and and all that, but that was one of those 473 00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:38,000 big issues that Scott really pounded on it with his guests 474 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,300 and everything. Where that's that's the, I think 475 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:43,100 that's the biggest issue for me. That I think I care about the 476 00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:49,200 most because I feel if we just if we stopped A lot of the 477 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,000 foreign policy even to 50% of it. 478 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,600 It would it would solve a lot of the problems that we're dealing 479 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,200 with here at home. And yeah, that there was a great 480 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,700 part in Scotts book on page 38, where he quotes, deputy 481 00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:10,400 secretary of defense Paul wolfowitz in an interview, with 482 00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:12,600 Sam. Tommy, Haas of Vanity Fair in 483 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,400 2003. So, here's Paul wolfowitz in an 484 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,400 interview with Vanity Fair, very few. 485 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,200 People are going to read contrast. 486 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,400 This with what bush is saying about why the terrorists hate 487 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,600 us. There are a lot of things that 488 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,400 are different. Now, that the u.s. 489 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:32,100 Iraq and one that is gone almost unnoticed, but it's huge. 490 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:35,000 It's that we can now remove almost all our forces from Saudi 491 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,000 Arabia, their presence. They are over the last 12 years 492 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,200 have been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly 493 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,400 government. It's been a huge recruiting 494 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,700 device for Al-Qaeda. In fact, if you look at Bin 495 00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:50,500 Laden one of his principal grievances was the presence of 496 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:54,600 so-called Crusader forces on the Holy Land Mecca and Medina, I 497 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,700 think just lifting that burden from the Saudis is itself. 498 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,500 If going to open the door to other positive things, I don't 499 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:02,000 want to speak in mess ionic terms. 500 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,800 It's not going to be changes overnight, but it's a huge 501 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,000 Improvement. Isn't that a little different 502 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,400 than they hate us cuz girls go to school in America. 503 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:16,200 Oh my God. What was it for you? 504 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,800 That was it any empirical evidence? 505 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,800 Was it trying to put yourself in the shoes of countries? 506 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,300 The u.s. Is occupying. 507 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,400 How was it that you were able to question the War Machine? 508 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:30,300 We'll definitely putting your shoe on the other foot. 509 00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:38,000 I think helped where if Russia or China invaded us, then we 510 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,500 would have blowback and we probably they're probably a 511 00:29:40,508 --> 00:29:43,200 bunch of American terrorist groups going after Russia and 512 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:49,300 China, you know, and that's what we see, nowadays with all, you 513 00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:56,700 know, Isis and Al Qaeda and you know, and one when Ron Paul had 514 00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:58,600 That Rudy Giuliani moment talking about. 515 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,300 Well, just like I were talking about we're all they don't they 516 00:30:01,308 --> 00:30:02,600 don't hate us because of our freedoms. 517 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,900 They hate us because we're over, they're bombing the crap out of 518 00:30:04,908 --> 00:30:08,100 them. And that was another big moment. 519 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:20,900 for me, but I think it's just if you're for the non-aggression 520 00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:25,900 principle, I don't know how you can somewhat justify what's 521 00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:32,700 going on because okay, if we were truly going after the 522 00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:38,700 people that Not the towers down on 9/11 then. 523 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:41,100 And I'm not saying, I'm not justifying. 524 00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:45,000 I'm not saying I would agree with them to saying, wouldn't we 525 00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:48,000 be starting this war against Saudi Arabia? 526 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,000 Not Afghanistan Iraq, because as far as I know, is in Saudi 527 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,800 Arabia, I wasn't the one of the terrorists during 9/11 weren't 528 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,500 allowed them from Saudi Arabia, but apparently nobody, the oh, 529 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:02,600 yes, but Saudi Arabia is an ally beerus. 530 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,900 We can't be, can't screw that up my wrong there. 531 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,500 Yeah. So according to Philip zelikow 532 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:14,000 was 9/11 commission, report 15 of the 19 were from Saudi 533 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,700 Arabia, the others were from Egypt, you know, the guy 534 00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:20,100 motivated by Hi, I'm Ann dolls, Iowa carry. 535 00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:23,600 Another guy from United Arab Emirates and these sorts of 536 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,400 places. So yeah, of course, but it's a 537 00:31:28,408 --> 00:31:31,600 lot harder to paint them as as the enemy. 538 00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:35,000 When, when you can always have that as a card to play later. 539 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,300 I mean Afghanistan and Al Qaeda, we're just, we're just so 540 00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:40,700 perfect. And there's another part in 541 00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:42,800 Scotts book. That was a major red pill moment 542 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,500 for me on page 51. He lists off. 543 00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:49,500 This was so great because he lives off a number of Horses, so 544 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,800 it does it's not just hearsay or well, maybe this reporter, got 545 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:58,800 it wrong, CBS CBC News. 2001, White House says, no to Taliban 546 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,900 demand for proof, on the intern, press service. 547 00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:06,000 U.s. Refusal of 2001, Taliban offer 548 00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:09,400 gave Ben Laden. A free pass ABC News, 2001 549 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,900 October u.s. Rejects new Taliban offer, Bush 550 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:16,000 rejects, Taliban offer, Washington, Post, new offer on 551 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,900 Bin Laden the guardian, October 16. 552 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,500 And one. So when you see that there was 553 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:24,200 actually an offer to hand over the world's most wanted, man. 554 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,000 You've realized they didn't want the most wanted man because then 555 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,800 they wouldn't have this enemy to go after. 556 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,700 And when you start seeing that these things, it's not that 557 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:37,800 they're so hidden. It's that they, the evidence is 558 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,900 there, but they amplify so much other trivial nonsense. 559 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,900 Net. Neutrality is, going to kill us 560 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:46,200 Florida's. Lifting restrictions, Greg. 561 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,200 Abbott. Can't stand up but Can't stand 562 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,300 up to what, you know, whatever you can. 563 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,800 He can't stand up to the insurrectionist are just one of 564 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,100 those clever lines anything else. 565 00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:00,900 On Scott Horton or conflicts of interests. 566 00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:04,300 Also known as foreign policy. Focus, Kyle and Sloane's. 567 00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:07,100 Foreign policy work. Oh, yeah. 568 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:11,700 Kyle's great. Kyle is basically just like a 569 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:16,400 branch off of Scott Horton. And I'm just, I was just saying 570 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,800 that because I wanted to shout out. 571 00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:23,300 Foreign policy focus in conflicts of interest he and 572 00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:27,600 will Porter's new show and I was wondering the shot them out. 573 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,200 I think they're doing incredible work. 574 00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,700 They're saying a lot of the things that even some 575 00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:35,200 Libertarians are afraid of talking about especially with 576 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,500 the israel-palestine Venus in the news right now. 577 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,400 They're basically saying, hey, this is this is all this like 578 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,600 Palestines occupied by Israel. And so we're going to talk about 579 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,100 that. We're this isn't, this isn't 580 00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:51,900 some like own On one's one's good and one is bad, or 581 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:52,600 probably. Actually. 582 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,800 That is the point once who is this, isn't some like you want 583 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,600 steak. It should be no Israel's 584 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,200 occupying. One people. 585 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,200 And we should be defending these people, or at the very least, 586 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,800 say, in the world. They're being genocided and 587 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,800 they're being ethnically cleansed. 588 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,600 And they're just outright saying it. 589 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,699 They're not being afraid. I think they're one of the most 590 00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:21,199 unafraid shows out there and they just need, they need to be 591 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,000 amped up. They need more, people need to 592 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,600 know about conflicts of interest and I know they mainly talk 593 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,300 about foreign policy and I know foreign policy is in some a sexy 594 00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:32,500 issue, but it's probably the most important issue. 595 00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:38,300 And so I'm just basically saying that too. spread their, their 596 00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:46,600 message out and They're also one of the ones where, when the 597 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,600 whole Russia gate stuff was happening there. 598 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,699 Another one of those shows that we're just Going right through 599 00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:58,000 and saying this was all stupid. I don't know how people can say 600 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,100 Trump. Is this Russian puppet when he's 601 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,500 being really hawkish towards Russia as I alluded to earlier. 602 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:10,100 So they're just really unafraid and they're not scared to speak 603 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,800 their mind and I just, I really respect them for that. 604 00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:17,300 Exactly. And finally a free man beyond 605 00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,400 the wall, my friend, and colleague at the libertarian 606 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,800 Institute, along with Kyle and Scott. 607 00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:28,600 Are some of the things you learn from Peach conus, be Canon is 608 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,600 great. He has got causing the 609 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,500 Firebrand. He's another one just like Kyle. 610 00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:36,000 Well, who's just you just you just speak his mind. 611 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,200 He's not afraid if he'll just he'll just kick your ass 612 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,200 basically. Verbally and I respect him for 613 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,200 that, really like them and I know some people probably get 614 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,800 rubbed off the wrong way with how he what how he says things 615 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,200 whatever but I really like it. A show. 616 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,200 He has some of the most interesting guests on that. 617 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,200 You won't find anywhere else. I don't think. 618 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:09,900 And especially with this, with the, with this kuf the coup flu 619 00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:13,600 and all that. He's another one. 620 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:19,000 That's just been knocking it out of the park and not afraid to 621 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000 say. I mean, it did. 622 00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,000 This is one of the things that's kind of annoyed me about this is 623 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,500 that and I really, I really do think that if you weren't. 624 00:36:30,500 --> 00:36:34,100 Convinced that there's all these factions of libertarianism this 625 00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:38,300 issue alone. Should really should have really 626 00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:41,900 solidified a free because there are Libertarians, who say, no. 627 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,700 Well, you know, they said the CDC and the government said, 628 00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:48,100 wear a mask and get the vaccine. Well, you should get it, but 629 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:51,200 okay. So if if we were supposed to 630 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,300 hate the corporate press and it's kind of going back to like 631 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:56,600 foreign policy. We're supposed to hate the 632 00:36:56,607 --> 00:36:59,800 corporate press and not believe in anything they say. 633 00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:02,200 But when it comes to Israel Palestine, well, I'm not saying 634 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,600 that the word say everything, you're saying understands true. 635 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,000 Okay, cool. Same thing with the covid and 636 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,000 vaccine or whatever. Oh, yeah, I don't like the 637 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,700 state. But I guess I'll just get the 638 00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:16,600 vaccine because they said, so because dr. 639 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,100 Fauci is my Overlord. I'm going to listen to 640 00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,600 everything. He says, I thought Libertarians 641 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,900 was supposed to be this anti-state. 642 00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:32,300 This rebellious people but it's like it gets really confusing 643 00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,700 and kind of annoying. They see Libertarians fighting 644 00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:38,400 over this and then like you should be on the same side and 645 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,200 he's another he's one of those people that says that where he's 646 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,700 like, I don't know how you can think this way. 647 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:49,300 It should be this way. And that's that's just one of 648 00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:54,500 the things that I that I admire about, the guy exactly more 649 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:58,100 proof that even Libertarians can't be trusted with power. 650 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,200 They will use it for evil Shane. Thank you so much for your time. 651 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,000 Check out the show. What's Happening links in the 652 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,100 description below? Thank you for watching Keith 653 00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:08,400 Knight. Don't try it on anyone in the 654 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,600 libertarian Institute, Shane. Thank you for your time, 655 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,300 brother. Thanks, Keith. 656 00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:13,500 I really appreciate you. Having me on.