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Welcome to Keith Knight, Don't 
tread on Anyone in the 

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Libertarian Institute Today I'm 
joined by James Corbett, 

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independent journalist, founder 
of The Corbett Report, to 

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discuss his new book, reportage 
Essays on the New World order. 

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James, where is the best place 
for people to get a copy of this

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book? 
The place to go is 

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reportagebook.com spelt like it 
sounds REPORTAGE book.com. 

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That is the website where you 
can find the buy the paperback 

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and buy the e-book links at the 
top. 

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But if those particular links 
aren't working for you or you 

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don't like that that way, 
there's a bunch at the very 

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bottom of the page, a bunch of 
different links to all sorts of 

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booksellers. 
But the important thing, of 

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course, this is a real deal 
book, so you can get it from any

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bookseller anywhere. 
You all you need is the ISBN 

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number and that is on that page.
Awesome, you mention. 

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I want to get into a little of 
your background before 

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proceeding. 
How long were you an English 

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teacher in Japan? 
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So I got here in 2004 and I went
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2011. 
So I guess it was about seven 

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years. 
OK, in those seven years, what 

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were the biggest lessons you 
extracted when it comes to the 

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concept of being a teacher? 
Someone communicating knowledge 

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to someone else where you're 
more of an expert. 

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Biggest lessons from being a 
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You know, it was one of my first
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most humbling lessons was that I
had to learn that just because I

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knew something and was didn't 
find it challenging, was bored 

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by it does not mean the student 
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boring or easy to comprehend. 
And that for I don't. 

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Of course that is the case. 
You are the teacher. 

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You were teaching someone 
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know. 
So, but my initial, when I first

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started teaching, my first 
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to make things, make things more
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complicated because they'll get 
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But then I realized, no, the way
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at a very base level to firmly 
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baseline knowledge and then 
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And the students who excel at 
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start making it more complicated
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But it was always about 
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knowledge, I think is an 
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And that's something that I 
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with my work at the Corbett 
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But I'd like to think it informs
my work with the Corbett Report 

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because I'm talking to not just 
a classroom, I'm talking to 10s 

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of thousands, hundreds of 
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the world, and different levels 
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understanding and waking up 
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different countries, different 
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So I can't possibly gauge where 
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classroom are, but I can 
hopefully establish that 

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baseline that we can use to 
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our analysis. 
The subtitle of the book is 

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Essays on the New World Order. 
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Well, I purposefully did not 
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because I wanted this book, in a
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understanding of that topic, to 
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In a sense, it's very simple. 
You could boil it down to a very

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simple definition. 
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politician talking about the New
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about the fact that in any given
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order that governs international
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informed or delimited by various
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events, economic ties, etcetera.
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world order. 
And the last time we saw a new 

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world order really firmly 
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World War 2 era. 
After literally Europe riot, 

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lying in ruins, smoke holes and 
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obliterated, it was time to 
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And the world order that was 
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essentially the era of Pax 
Americana that we've been living

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Nations. 
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world reserve currency tied to 
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pegged to gold, which we know is
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etcetera, etcetera. 
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Clearly we are transitioning 
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hear politicians talking about 
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But, but I think it's deeper 
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the concept of a world order 
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not necessarily a world 
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World War One. 
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League of Nations and the that 
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some sort of parliament of the 
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and again some attempt to try to
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governing system into place. 
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Three we will see what the new 
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like. 
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pleasant for the average person 
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And I think that is the crux of 
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coming into view that I I do not
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the centralization of more and 
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So in a sense, you could make 
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world order is just the old 
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It's it's the same quest for 
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table since the very earliest 
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the world under their under 
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We're still seeing the same 
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age. 
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which I am pointing to off 
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screen so people can see it. 
This book of essays hopefully 

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shows various facets of how this
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constructed, and also hopefully 
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stop it from coming coming 
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So I can immediately see people,
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concept of like a federal 
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a great deal of power to a very 
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the new world order, however 
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fruition. 
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determine good world order from 
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centralization of power and 
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Words in your well, I think 
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the essays is the the difference
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order that's being imposed from 
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instilled with the sense that 
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a properly functioning society. 
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functioning society without law 
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21st century, in our lightened 
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a society, there is a completely
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spontaneous order, which is to 
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govern from talk down in order 
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community and start supporting 
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adjudicating their own problems 
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systems. 
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concept for people to wrap their
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been indoctrinated since the 
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only way order can come about is
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could be the order that we bring
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spontaneous order of a real true
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the issue. 
What would you say are the best 

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examples, the best empirical 
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taking place in the world around
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hypothetical that could 
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Right. 
Well, I I like to bring it down 

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to the absolute most basic 
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For me, it's just so obvious 
that we do not need a government

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to tell us to how to speak 
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We learn English because we are 
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world who want to communicate 
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And as a natural result of that,
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emulating our parents and then 
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English. 
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grammatically incorrect, people 
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There is no, there is no police 
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and take you to jail if you 
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The entire, the entirety of 
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without government. 
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important example that we kind 
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Oh yeah, whatever. 
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million examples like that. 
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the point, I suppose we could 
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development of standards for for
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you on your computer. 
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government that had to come in 
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system on this programming 
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of software. 
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arise because people realize it 
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a common standard that we're 
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all just start creating software
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Wouldn't that be easier? 
Wouldn't that be better? 

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You could look at that with 
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the million other things that 
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sort of body that's going to 
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to the letter of the law. 
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and community works and people 
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we all agree on shared standards
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Why can't we continue to expand 
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of our life and at the very, 
very, very least claw back some 

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some of our power from the 
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regulate every aspect of our 
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I want to get through a few 
intellectual hurdles someone 

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might be coming forth with if 
they are faced with a book like 

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this with such a title. 
Here is a meme that I came 

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across. 
It's a gentleman. 

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This is for the audible only 
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So a guy is sitting at his desk 
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opposite direction is a door 
that a woman is walking away 

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from him just in clear disgust. 
He's trying to get her 

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attention. 
He's in his socks, obviously. 

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He says, honey, come look, I 
found some information all the 

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world's top scientists and 
doctors missed. 

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So when you come across someone 
with the idea that, look, if 

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there's such valuable 
information in this new book you

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have that the first thousand 
books that I've been introduced 

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to didn't have, how is it that 
you're able to get all this 

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information that all the top 
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experts missed? 
It's a, it's a very funny joke, 

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isn't it? 
And it works well in that comic 

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format. 
But of course, it doesn't really

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address reality because first of
all, I mean, I could go into the

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articulation of, for example, 
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don't really talk about it much 
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But when I talk about issues 
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demic and what have you, how do 
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How, where does some English 
teacher in Japan get off 

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addressing, you know, these 
things that these top scientists

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have not talked about or as I do
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environmental movement and the 
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etcetera. 
You know, how does, how does he 

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talk about things like this? 
And I could address it by 

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saying, well, of course, if 
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admitted factor in the IPCC 
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not being told to you on the 
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theory. 
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some expert on the Evening News,
then it then then it is this 

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other category of thing that 
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literally everything else. 
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address the sort of general 
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say you have information other 
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What specific piece of 
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about? 
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details of that specific piece 
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I can't, I can't possibly 
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world that isn't on the on the 
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You have a thesis titled I 
believe you titled it The News 

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is a Social Construct. 
Can you walk us through a brief 

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explanation of what that means? 
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things that's so simple and 
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actually thinking about it, but 
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And that question is what is the
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Which seems, again, like a 
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becomes more complex when you 
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OK, the news is, well, OK, let 
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check or let me turn on the TV 
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today. 
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pushes the question. 
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agency. 
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editors in this office in New 
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whatever have decided this is 
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today. 
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How did they decide that? 
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here? 
What have they left out And then

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be even beyond that. 
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information being related? 
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isolated piece of information or
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greater context? 
How is this information being 

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contextualized for me, etcetera,
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So the news is not some 
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in the heavens. 
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constructed and necessarily so. 
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some sort of process by which we
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news, but they're keeping it 
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stories and observations about 
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world that are contextualized in
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world to you or don't explain 
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And I think once we become aware
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as it were, whether literally or
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people are interested in that. 
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ways that you can stop being 
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Twitter's suggestions or what 
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feed. 
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But the question is, what is 
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Keith Knight sitting there, for 
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probably have a different set of
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thinking about and dealing with 
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like me in Japan, etcetera, 
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certain stories not important. 
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news is a social construct. 
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the question then becomes, OK, 
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particular editorial room have 
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news and this is the information
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this is the form they're 
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information. 
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Why have they decided that this 
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And from that we can start 
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question of, well, OK, who sits 
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that owns this organization, 
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do those people have and are 
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Foreign Relations and the 
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etcetera? 
What are the outside influences 

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that are determining and shaping
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and then present the news? 
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I always try to like look at the
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take the same source and based 
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really matters. 
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frequently used is if OJ Simpson
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commit murder, that wouldn't be 
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But what if he came out and said
I did commit murder? 

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Well, hold on, You just said he 
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second ago. 
Now he's reliable. 

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It's like, well, no, it's in his
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thing, not in the second thing, 
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There is a legal term for that 
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Admission against interest, is 
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think, and the reason that the 
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so important for me because to 
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people on Twitter, but the news,
big buildings, $1,000,000 

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corporations, that they're lying
or bias was really hard to 

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believe. 
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you know, most heads of most 
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something that was false. 
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it's not about actively lying, 
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reality, but the concept of 
selective reporting, you get 

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this all the time, especially 
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Very seldom do they explicitly 
lie. 

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Sometimes they do Hillary 
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confirmed that Putin hacked her 
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OK, explicit lies. 
So often it's just them 

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selecting to report on some 
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So few people knew until Trump 
tweeted it out that Vladimir 

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Zielinski just cancelled his 
last selection that that wasn't 

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too important. 
Not because the media ever came 

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out and said no, no, that there 
were elections. 

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They just didn't report on it. 
It's like the war for democracy 

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is for unelected Zelensky and 
also Churchill wasn't elected 

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that war for democracy. 
Stalin wasn't elected in his war

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for what is going on here. 
It's just the selective 

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reporting aspect. 
Anything else on the news being 

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a social construct? 
I would just say that one thing 

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that comes to mind is, yeah, the
the question when people are 

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looking at a big story, like for
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always where does the news start
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And generally speaking, the news
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Absolutely no history before 
2014 exists or is worthy of your

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time or attention. 
It's in 2014 that Russia invaded

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Crimea and that is what started 
the Russia Ukraine conflict, 

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according to most news, 
mainstream news sources. 

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Again, I I think we have to 
follow that back to the question

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of who is presenting this news 
to us and why are they 

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presenting it in that way? 
Excellent point, Psychology 

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Today says. 
Now really get humbled before 

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you answer this because this is 
from Psychology Today. 

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At times like these, conspiracy 
theories are more appealing than

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the truth because they offer the
possibility of control. 

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Professor says we can thwart an 
evil problem, at least 

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hypothetically, but we can't 
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nature. 
Conspiracy theories make a very 

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tempting promise. 
Just stop the villain and you 

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get your life back. 
That's what we all want. 

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He says it's a charming 
narrative that's very easy to 

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buy into. 
Just stop Bill Gates from 

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polluting the airwaves with 5G 
and we can go out again and our 

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kids can go back to school. 
Anything stand out to you if you

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were to do a propaganda analysis
of this worldview? 

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Yes, once again, I would say I 
can't address the blanket term 

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conspiracy theories because 
there's a billion conspiracy 

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theories. 
Which one are you specifically 

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addressing? 
So OK, if it has something to do

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with Bill Gates and 5G and 
school lockdowns, all right, we 

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can at least start addressing 
that. 

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And why don't we start by taking
a look at Bill Gates, who he is,

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his business influences, his 
family and upbringing, etcetera,

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and how they inform who he is 
and ultimately what role he was 

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playing over the past few years 
as some seemingly medical expert

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that the media kept turning to 
for advice. 

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Why were they doing that? 
He is not a medical expert of 

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any sort. 
Why were they turning to Bill 

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Gates? 
Oh, does it have something to do

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with the funding that Bill Gates
and his eponymous institution 

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we're sending to various media 
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their entire coverage of the 
World Health space? 

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Does that have something to do 
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And then we could start looking 
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So I would direct people to 
corporatereport.com/gates and 

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ask them to tell me what is 
factually untrue about anything 

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that I report in that 
documentary. 

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I'm interested to hear that. 
And when they stumble and 

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stutter and don't even want to 
address it and start talking 

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vaguely about conspiracy 
theories, you will know that 

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they do not have an actual 
argument because they're not 

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looking at facts in the real 
world. 

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They're trying to simply package
everything up into a nice neat 

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little package called conspiracy
theories that they can then 

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throw out and then tell you, 
well, whatever. 

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Whatever is not a conspiracy 
theory must be real and true. 

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And if you see it on the nightly
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So Bill Gates must be a medical 
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That is how we can start 
addressing a vague non argument 

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like that. 
I will make this the last 

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general question, but I'm 
curious about how we go about 

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determining truth from falsehood
when there's so many potential 

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sources we could have there. 
So many angles there, so many 

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different points in the timeline
we could start. 

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The thing that comes to mind is 
if you look at the news in 

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general, they're like a bunch of
conspiracy theorists always 

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telling us Putin's going to take
over the world, China's going to

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take over the world, Iran's 
going to take over the world. 

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We got to watch out for the 
robber barons. 

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There's racism everywhere, 
there's sexism everywhere. 

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Islam is going to kill us all. 
If they take Saigon, they're 

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going to take America next. 
I mean, they are big conspiracy 

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theorists. 
So if we really see it not as 

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only one of us are conspiracy 
theorists, we just believe in 

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different conspiracies. 
If we have that worldview, how 

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can we go about specifically 
determining I? 

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I get that I would need to 
mention a specific one, but are 

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there any general checklist? 
Any good rules of thumb you can 

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give us to determine true from 
false conspiracies or stories in

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general? 
Yeah, you, you make a point that

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I often like to make, which is, 
for example, the official story 

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of 911 is a conspiracy theory. 
It is. 

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So you are simply choosing 
between conspiracy theories. 

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You just don't label the one 
that you like as a conspiracy 

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theory. 
It is a theory about a 

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conspiracy that was committed by
19 MMM of box cutters directed 

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by a man on dialysis in a cave 
halfway around the world. 

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Sure. 
OK, that's a story. 

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Now, where do you get the 
details of that story? 

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Well, you get it from things 
like the 9/11 Commission Report,

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which is sitting on the 
bookshelf behind me that I have 

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read, that most people who talk 
about about 911 have not read. 

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And I know that the vast, I 
won't say the vast majority, but

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something like 1/3 of the 
sources and footnotes that were 

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used in the creation of that 
report was derived from torture 

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testimony, which is inadmissible
under any court, any reasonable 

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court in the world, shall we 
say. 

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And I know that there are flat 
out contradictions and lies in 

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that story that I've documented 
before. 

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So yes, it is frustrating to be 
called some sort of conspiracy 

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theorist when of course you are 
talking to people who are 

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absolutely conspiracy theorists 
themselves. 

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They just don't even want to 
admit that. 

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Having said that, yes, how do 
you then go about actually 

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finding real, true, verifiable 
information? 

459
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:12,360
Well, there are a number of 
methods you can use. 

460
00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:15,040
One that I think is important is
triangulation. 

461
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,640
If you hear something from one 
source and only one source, then

462
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,880
it could be true. 
But how do you how do you really

463
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,720
know? 
Can you gauge that if you can 

464
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,760
find it from a number of 
independent sources, preferably 

465
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,400
from sources that aren't 
necessarily ideologically 

466
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,800
related or they're not 
necessarily on the same team? 

467
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,440
As you say, statements against 
interest can be incredibly 

468
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,000
important pieces of information.
So if we can triangulate 

469
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,080
information from different 
sources and it's more likely 

470
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,520
that we can rely on that, 
although of course it's no 

471
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,480
guarantee that of the veracity 
of, of what is being said 

472
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,760
another. 
But perhaps, I guess the this is

473
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,480
going to be the less satisfying 
answer because it will be open 

474
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,120
to interpretation and does sort 
of write a blank check for 

475
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:04,840
people to already confirm what 
they already believe. 

476
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,840
But does the information that 
you are discovering, does it 

477
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,000
actually, A, really makes sense 
of the world to you? 

478
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320
Does it really have explanatory 
power? 

479
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,240
And then B, does it have 
predictive power? 

480
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,800
Can you actually use that 
information to help shape your 

481
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,960
life in a better direction? 
And I would say, again, that's 

482
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,960
going to be very nebulous and 
open to interpretation, but I 

483
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,160
would say that truth really does
correspond with reality in a way

484
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,640
that helps situate yourself in 
the world in a way that you're 

485
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,880
more prepared for. 
And I'll give a specific example

486
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,400
of that. 
For example, back in 2020, I was

487
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,160
not at all surprised by the the 
way in which the scandemic 

488
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,960
unfolded, precisely because I 
had a more accurate map of 

489
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520
reality than the vast majority 
of the public. 

490
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,200
Not because I'm a special human 
being, but simply because I 

491
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,520
actually bothered to look at the
setup for the infrastructure for

492
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,720
medical martial law that had 
taken place at the very least 

493
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,480
since the time of the anthrax 
scare in 2001. 

494
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,360
Remember that that most people 
don't. 

495
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,280
But since that point, I I 
followed the the construction of

496
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,240
the medical Marshall law complex
and infrastructure, the the 

497
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,040
judicial and legislative 
framework for it, the 

498
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,400
international agreements like 
the International Health 

499
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Regulations and the public 
Health Emergency of 

500
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,680
International concern AKA fake 
that they brought into existence

501
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,320
in the under the World Health 
Organization. 

502
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,520
I saw the swine flu scam scam 
demic develop and I followed 

503
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,200
that and I looked at the Council
of Europe's subsequent follow up

504
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,440
report reporting that the 
Advisory Council that had 

505
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,840
advised The Who Director General
Margaret Chan to declare that 

506
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,920
swine flu pandemic were 
themselves sitting on boards of 

507
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,440
big pharma corporations or 
otherwise tied to the pharma 

508
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,960
industry. 
That then directly benefited 

509
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,320
from the millions upon millions 
upon billions of dollars in 

510
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,600
vaccine contracts and other such
pharmaceutical interventions 

511
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,480
that took place as a result of 
the swine flu. 

512
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,800
I saw the development of the 
Zika and Ebola scares. 

513
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,400
I saw people like Bill Gates 
writing in the New England 

514
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,280
Journal of Medicine talking 
about the the new sorts of 

515
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,960
techniques that we're going to 
need to confront pandemics in 

516
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,520
the future, etcetera, etcetera. 
So when all of this happened in 

517
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,800
2020, I wasn't surprised in the 
least. 

518
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,480
The only thing I was surprised 
at really was how quickly the 

519
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,720
public got on board with the 
agenda and two weeks to flatten 

520
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,000
the curve and policing each 
other into the lockdown state 

521
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,640
that that was disappointing. 
But the fact that they did it 

522
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,800
was not disappointing to me 
because I had a more accurate 

523
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,440
map of reality than most people 
who were just casually following

524
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,760
the news through the news what 
was being told to them on the 

525
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,920
nightly news. 
So that is one way to to really 

526
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,960
gauge whether or not the 
information that you were 

527
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,760
getting truly actually is real 
or not. 

528
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,760
Can you actually form a map of 
reality that corresponds to what

529
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,000
you're seeing and then helps you
understand things as they are 

530
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,200
unfolding, or even before they 
start to unfold? 

531
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,040
Were you surprised that 20 years
after the War on Terror against 

532
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,600
Islamic extremism, the US and 
Israel were celebrating Al Qaeda

533
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,280
taking over Damascus like 
earlier this year? 

534
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:28,520
I gotta say, I try to not have 
too high or too low standards. 

535
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,440
I try to find myself in between.
I couldn't believe that when Al 

536
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,560
Jilani just started calling the 
shots, they were like, oh good, 

537
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,080
Assad is gone. 
Then again, Obama basically 

538
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,760
called for Assad and Gaddafi to 
be removed. 

539
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,560
So I guess I shouldn't have, but
I just couldn't believe that was

540
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,720
the guy. 
I continue to go back to that 

541
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:52,200
article that was written in, I 
want to say 2012 by a CFR fellow

542
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,800
that was talking about, well, we
need Al Qaeda. 

543
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,920
Al Qaeda are the good guys. 
Accepting al Qaeda. 

544
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,760
Yeah, accepting Al Qaeda exactly
right. 

545
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,920
So, yeah. 
So no, it wasn't surprising. 

546
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,240
But again, it is, it is galling.
It is just galling how the 

547
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,120
reality inversion takes place 
and how the public is just 

548
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,360
expected to swallow it. 
And if they don't, well, let's 

549
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,840
bring out the editorials from 
Psychology Today about how 

550
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,480
you're a conspiracy theorist. 
When it comes to things that 

551
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,120
first started opening your mind 
to seeing the world in a 

552
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,840
potentially different light, the
creature from Jekyll Island and 

553
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,920
Operation Northwoods, those were
the two that stood out to me, 

554
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,040
that you and I had a great deal 
of overlap and some of these I 

555
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,360
was not familiar with. 
When it comes to either of 

556
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,400
those. 
What was it about the Creature 

557
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,280
from Jekyll Island or reading 
about Operation Northwoods that 

558
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,240
really caught your attention? 
And how did you begin to go down

559
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,760
a rabbit hole after hearing 
about pick either one of those 

560
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,960
to expand on well. 
I will, I will take them in the 

561
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,920
order in which they, they 
occurred to me, or that they 

562
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,040
that I found them, at any rate. 
Operation Northwoods was really 

563
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,400
one of those Nuggets that really
lodged in my brain as I was 

564
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,120
starting to inquire into 911 a 
little bit and starting to find 

565
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,840
information that seemed to go 
against what I'd been told about

566
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,040
it. 
But still, I don't, you know, 

567
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,480
OK, what? 
I don't know, it sounds like 

568
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,680
there's a lot of hooey in here 
as well about floating orbs and 

569
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,040
things and whatever. 
What, what's this? 

570
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,240
It was Operation Northwoods that
really started me looking into 

571
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,000
the actual deep history of the 
structure of what what Peter 

572
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,840
Dale Scott would call deep 
political events, false flag 

573
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,840
events, etcetera. 
Staging attacks to blame on 

574
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,600
enemies. 
To actually read the actual 

575
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,920
documents themselves that 
demonstrate that that was in 

576
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,160
fact, yes, a plan that was 
tabled by the Joint Chiefs of 

577
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,400
Staff and was sitting there 
waiting to be approved by 

578
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,200
President Kennedy is, is an eye 
opening moment. 

579
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,040
And so I think that's what sent 
me down the 9/11 rabbit hole 

580
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,600
specifically. 
And I started to cover more and 

581
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,440
more information that questioned
the official 9/11 conspiracy 

582
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,520
theory. 
But then there was a point at 

583
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,320
which I thought, OK, I'm clearly
at at at a certain point, I was 

584
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,520
clear that that we had been lied
to about 911. 

585
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,000
And that was absolutely not as 
presented to us. 

586
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,560
But still, I mean, a big 
overarching conspiracy in back 

587
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,400
rooms with guys smoking cigars 
over a, you know, a map of the 

588
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,960
world, carving up the world. 
Oh, that seemed a bit 

589
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,880
cartoonish. 
How does that really function? 

590
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,920
How does this really work? 
And in fact, it was something 

591
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,960
that I didn't mention. 
You're, you're referencing the 

592
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,800
first essay in here, Reportage 
Adventures in the New Medium, 

593
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,480
which I talk about my experience
of falling down the rabbit hole.

594
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,160
But something that I didn't 
specifically reference in here, 

595
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,360
which was I think another penny 
drop moment, was the Money 

596
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,360
Masters documentary, which I 
encountered in that crazy time 

597
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,720
in 2006 when I was finding all 
this information. 

598
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,520
I saw the Money Masters 
documentary and it was the first

599
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,560
time I, well, not necessarily 
the first time, but one of the 

600
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,160
first times I'd ever seriously 
considered the concept of the 

601
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,720
underlying structure of the 
monetary system. 

602
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,400
Not finance, not economics, but 
literally the monetary base. 

603
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,480
What is money? 
How is it created? 

604
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,320
By whom? 
Who has that power? 

605
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,760
From where did they, where did 
they get that authority from? 

606
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,280
And how do how do they use that?
That was a documentary that 

607
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,800
really started me thinking along
those lines. 

608
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,800
And of course, the Creature from
Jekyll Island informed that 

609
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,880
study of mine. 
And once I started to learn 

610
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,720
about the Federal Reserve and 
its history, where it came from,

611
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,760
how it was literally conceived 
as is baseline economic history 

612
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,400
at this point, literally 
conceived into conspiracy on 

613
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,680
Jekyll Island. 
Yes. 

614
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,840
I mean, it's a crazy story and 
fascinating and obviously drew 

615
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,120
me in towards the bigger 
understanding because 911 is one

616
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,600
specific Ave. of research that I
was on. 

617
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,200
But once you start to realize, 
oh, the entire monetary paradigm

618
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,360
is being controlled by certain 
forces for certain reasons, 

619
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,680
that's that becomes an 
explanatory factor that helps to

620
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,160
make sense of more and more of 
the other deep political events 

621
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,120
that we see unfolding around us.
In the notes section, I believe 

622
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,280
it's in the first essay, you 
also mentioned Carol Quigley and

623
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,520
Edward Bernays. 
Do you want to go into those, 

624
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,680
please and let me know what were
either things that really stood 

625
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,840
out to you and humbled you when 
you came across their research, 

626
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,280
or why you think Edward Bernays 
and Carol Quigley are important 

627
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,960
sources to use in this research?
Well, I think in both cases it's

628
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,560
because they are so frank about 
what I had been told all my life

629
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,440
and still continue to hear to 
this very day from Psychology 

630
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,280
Today and other such wonderful 
sources, is conspiracy theory. 

631
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,120
No, this was admission by people
who, yes, were 100% 

632
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,440
knowledgeable of and approving 
of the conspiracy that exists. 

633
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,960
And I think that was the 
startling thing. 

634
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,720
So with Bernice in particular, I
found him through Adam Curtis's 

635
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,800
documentary The Century of the 
Self. 

636
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,720
Part 1, I think was a 
particularly interesting piece 

637
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,920
of documentary film making. 
And it introduced me to Edward 

638
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,719
Bernays, who I had never learnt 
about in school, never heard 

639
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,800
about him. 
But oh, you know, he's the guy 

640
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,840
who came up with that campaign. 
Oh, and that campaign and the 

641
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,159
torches for liberty and oh, you 
know, you know, invading South 

642
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,719
American countries and etcetera,
etcetera, all coordinated by the

643
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,480
same guy who was the nephew of 
Sigmund Freud. 

644
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,400
What, what is this? 
And oh, by the way, he's related

645
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,000
to the guy who started Netflix. 
What? 

646
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,679
That's crazy. 
Anyway, so once I I found that 

647
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,760
and then I followed that line 
back to Edward Bernese's 1928 

648
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,159
book on propaganda called 
Propaganda. 

649
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,679
And as I always, always cite the
opening, just the opening 

650
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,800
paragraphs of that book. 
And I really, really, I really 

651
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,920
need to commit those words to 
memory because they are so 

652
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,080
powerful. 
But I will allow people to on 

653
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,239
their own time. 
Go and go and research it for 

654
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,240
yourself. 
Just go read the opening page of

655
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,760
Propaganda. 
The conscious and intelligent 

656
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,560
manipulation of the organized 
habits and opinions of the 

657
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,720
masses is an important element 
in democratic society. 

658
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,080
Those who manipulate this unseen
mechanism of society constitute 

659
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,960
an invisible government, which 
is the true ruling power of our 

660
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,880
country. 
We are governed, our minds are 

661
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,040
molded, our tastes formed, our 
ideas suggested largely by men 

662
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,640
we have never heard of. 
This is a logical result of the 

663
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,520
way in which our democratic 
society is organized. 

664
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,720
Vast numbers of human beings 
must cooperate in this manner if

665
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,720
they are to live together as a 
smoothly functioning society. 

666
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,360
Our invisible governors are in 
many cases unaware of the 

667
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,120
identity of their fellow members
in the inner cabinet. 

668
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,640
In which he talks about the 
hidden forces that control 

669
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,120
society by manipulating people's
habits and opinions. 

670
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,680
That is the real controlling 
force of our society. 

671
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,520
Wow, that's a pretty amazing 
admission that again, if you 

672
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,360
said that, if I said that, I 
would be crazy conspiracy 

673
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,360
theorizing. 
But here's Edward Bernays, who 

674
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,520
was in a position to know a 
thing or two about that, talking

675
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,480
about it. 
Similarly with Carol Quigley, 

676
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,880
again as I think has become 
conspiracy lore that is often 

677
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,960
passed around in the conspiracy 
space, broad broadly speaking, 

678
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,160
etcetera. 
The tragedy and hope for 

679
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,280
example, and contains a number 
of admissions that are 

680
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,040
startling. 
For example, the Bank for 

681
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,240
International Settlements and 
its creation as the apex of the 

682
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,880
the banking powers specifically 
to create a system of 

683
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,760
international financial capital 
controlled by a very few people 

684
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,640
in a Byzantine system that very 
few people can understand. 

685
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,160
Let alone the other historical 
aspects that that Quigley was 

686
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,880
bringing to light. 
That there is a conspiracy that 

687
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,720
has that at least at that time 
that he was writing in the mid 

688
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:45,680
20th century was responsible for
much of the preceding 50 years 

689
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,480
of history. 
And it was a an acknowledged 

690
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,920
secret society started by Cecil 
Rhodes, but expanded out from 

691
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,800
his death and that was 
controlling world events and 

692
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,840
manipulating things like World 
War 2 and World War One and 

693
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,320
other such things. 
Again, a startling admission 

694
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,280
that if any anyone else were to 
make it would be crazy 

695
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,440
conspiracy theorizing. 
But this is Carol Quigley, 

696
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,480
Georgetown professor who was the
admitted name checked mentor of 

697
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,360
Bill Clinton. 
So it's a lot harder to dismiss 

698
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,280
Carol Quigley as some wide eyed 
conspiracy theorist, which is 

699
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,880
why I think it's important to 
reference reference things like 

700
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,840
that at once. 
Again, coming back to that idea 

701
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,920
of statements against interest. 
One of the earliest times I was 

702
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,000
really surprised looking into 
alternative research guy named 

703
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Michael Collins. 
Piper was just sort of like 

704
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,880
ranting and it wasn't a great 
look. 

705
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,840
He's looking into the sun, the 
news reporting on him. 

706
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,920
It's trying to make him look 
like a complete buffoon. 

707
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,480
He goes, why is it that three of
the, you know, Kardashians can't

708
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,840
get together without tons of 
media reports going on about it?

709
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,680
Yet here we are at the 
Bilderberg conference and the 

710
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,200
media could not be less 
interested if you put a gun to 

711
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,600
their head. 
And I said, I don't know what 

712
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,000
the Bilderberg conference is. 
What is he talking about? 

713
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,720
I'm curious what you think are 
the big groups, who the big 

714
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:08,400
groups are to focus on? 
Is it CFR Bilderberg who are the

715
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,480
ones that come to mind that 
really piqued your interest? 

716
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,760
As far as seems like there's a 
quite a great deal of power in 

717
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,280
these organizations and they 
don't get a lot of media 

718
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,120
attention. 
What groups come to mind? 

719
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,960
CFR Bilderberg and Trilateral 
organization are the three first

720
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,720
that would spring to mind for 
me, but I would hesitate to 

721
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:31,320
simply limit it to to that. 
In fact, I think anytime you put

722
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,480
your finger on a particular 
group, the center of power has 

723
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,240
probably already slipped 
somewhere else. 

724
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,160
The fact that Bilderberg is now 
an openly not only openly 

725
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,560
acknowledged, but they even have
their own website. 

726
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,120
They they publish their guest 
list, however accurate it may 

727
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,440
not, may or may not be. 
And you know, they're, they're 

728
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,480
meeting agenda items. 
They it's openly published on 

729
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,560
the on the Internet these days. 
So it clearly isn't what it was 

730
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,400
even just a couple of decades 
ago when it was still literally 

731
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,480
you're a crazy, wild, wide, wide
eyed conspiracy. 

732
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,440
There is if you so much believe 
the Bilderberg Group exists, you

733
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,120
crazy weirdo. 
Well, OK, they exist. 

734
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,640
We've established that. 
And Oh yeah, they really have 

735
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,080
been meeting since every year 
since 1950 for whatever it was. 

736
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,000
However, having said that, at 
this point, what is the function

737
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,920
of a Bilderberg Group meeting? 
I have made the point before. 

738
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,400
Yes, OK, we may, we may even 
have an accurate list of all the

739
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,040
attendees who were physically 
there at the latest Bilderberg 

740
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,080
meeting. 
But does that mean that was 

741
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,520
everyone who attended? 
I mean, we do live in an age 

742
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,240
where you and I are not in the 
same room, Keith, but we're 

743
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:40,560
talking imagine that. 
So how do we know who is really 

744
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,000
talking to who in what context 
in what Fora? 

745
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,320
And does is it as important that
they they literally convene 

746
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,560
together in a physical space in 
a meeting room? 

747
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,000
Or are there all sorts of things
happening that we don't even 

748
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,640
have a twinkling of a clue that 
they're happening because 

749
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,440
they're not happening in the 
physical world? 

750
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,880
They're happening in virtual 
online spaces or what have you. 

751
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,440
So it's, it's really difficult 
to I, I think, identify things 

752
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,880
like that. 
And I would also caution against

753
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,960
the idea that there is a certain
group or even just a a few 

754
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,560
cliques of groups that really 
truly control all events in the 

755
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,240
world. 
I think that is the sort of 

756
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:23,040
cartoon version of conspiracy 
theorizing that they Psychology 

757
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,840
Today's and Harpers magazines 
and whatever would love to 

758
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,800
denigrate and laugh at because 
it is too simplistic a 

759
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,280
worldview. 
I think that there are there are

760
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,560
individuals who are coming to 
the grander conspiracy to the 

761
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,440
extent that that exists as an 
identifiable thing for different

762
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,760
reasons. 
And they have their own 

763
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,840
motivations and they have their 
own interests and they have 

764
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,840
their own associations and they 
may form cliques and groups, but

765
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,880
they may those groups may be 
amorphous. 

766
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,880
And someone, as has often been 
pointed out, just because 

767
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,080
someone, for example, is ACFR 
member does not mean that they 

768
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,360
are part of the global 
conspiracy controlling world 

769
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,040
events. 
As the rings with Rings within 

770
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,920
Rings concept identified by 
Carol Quigley and expanded on by

771
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,600
G Edward Griffin talks about, 
yes, you can have inner members 

772
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,680
of organizations that are 
directing that organization 

773
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,480
towards a certain goal that the 
outer members of the 

774
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,960
organization don't even know 
exists. 

775
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,720
They have no idea that that 
inner organization even exists, 

776
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:28,080
the rings within rings idea, 
etcetera, etcetera. 

777
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,800
And it isn't necessarily that 
there is a singular organization

778
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,960
or a singular group. 
There are different groups that 

779
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,840
may have interests converge. 
And it is my theory, I don't 

780
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,640
know if I can really articulate 
this in a scientific way, but it

781
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,160
is my theory that when we see 
the grand, deep political events

782
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,360
like JFK assassination and 9/11,
these truly spectacular events 

783
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,560
generally I think happened 
because there is a convergence 

784
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,040
of interests among many 
different factions of the 

785
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:01,680
oligarchical governing bodies, 
the powers that shouldn't be. 

786
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,200
There are many different people 
who have an interest in that 

787
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,400
particular event taking place, 
which is why that event happens 

788
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,640
and is so easily covered up, 
because there are a lot of 

789
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,080
people who have some sort of 
skin in that game. 

790
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:19,320
But perhaps that also explains 
why I don't think everything 

791
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,360
that happens in the world is 
part of some sort of grand 

792
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:28,320
conspiracy. 
The real, the real power that I 

793
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,360
identify is not the power of 
someone literally controlling or

794
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,600
writing the script of world 
events, but writing the 

795
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,280
narrative through which people 
understand those events so that 

796
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,560
anything that happens can be 
used towards the furtherance of 

797
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,200
a certain goal. 
For example, some sort of 

798
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:53,160
spectacular intelligence failure
like a 9/11, a huge shot in the 

799
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,240
arm for the the NSA and other 
intelligence agencies. 

800
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,720
They need more funding. 
They need more power. 

801
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,160
You see how horrible it was? 
It's because was they didn't 

802
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,200
have enough funding or power. 
So there's really no conceivable

803
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,920
circumstance in which you could 
from that framework argue that 

804
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,640
no, actually we need to reduce 
the size of the NSA, we need to 

805
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,960
get rid of the NSA. 
We don't need this intelligence 

806
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,000
agency apparatus over 
everything. 

807
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,680
No, they've already set the 
narrative so that anything that 

808
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,000
happens, good or bad, is 
justification for an expansion 

809
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,960
of those powers. 
So I think the real power is the

810
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,440
narrative framing. 
And that goes back to that 

811
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,440
question that we started out 
with really about the news, who 

812
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,000
is constructing the news and for
what purpose. 

813
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,240
Clearly, I think the news, to 
the extent that it is a 

814
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,200
construction that is being 
deliberately constructed in 

815
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,360
boardrooms and editorial rooms, 
etcetera, is being constructed 

816
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,360
to frame those types of 
narratives. 

817
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,640
So that, for example, a 9/11 
will be a giant gigantic boost 

818
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,360
in the arms of the the 
surveillance state. 

819
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,600
Or so that we never, ever, ever 
talk about the cancel elections 

820
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,640
in Ukraine. 
We will just never talk about it

821
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,360
because this is a fight for 
democracy. 

822
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,240
We that is the narrative. 
So anything that questions that 

823
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,560
narrative line just won't get 
reported on etcetera. 

824
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,760
Excellent answer. 
The 9/11 1 is very good because 

825
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,720
you could have totally seen a 
scenario where the government's 

826
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:19,240
number one job is just keep you 
safe and they failed to do that 

827
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,480
in a spectacular way. 
So what happens? 

828
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,560
Bush's approval rating goes to 
91% and they get more money and 

829
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,240
power than they ever could have 
imagined. 

830
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,880
Same thing of course happened 
after December 7th of 1941. 

831
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,640
It's like, how could the biggest
failure? 

832
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:39,200
It's like my business got robbed
and the security guards were 

833
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,120
just off to lunch that day. 
I need to start paying them 

834
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,240
triple. 
Why wouldn't you fire them? 

835
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,760
How could they're not? 
Why didn't that movement happen?

836
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,560
So controlling the narrative is 
so great. 

837
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,920
The preface to this book is 
written by Whitney Webb. 

838
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,760
Why did you choose her to work 
with on this project? 

839
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,480
What do you think are some of 
her greatest contributions to 

840
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,120
this field? 
Whitney Webb, I don't. 

841
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,600
I don't. 
Well, I was going to say, I 

842
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,960
don't imagine I have to explain 
to people, but I I should 

843
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,120
anyway. 
Whitney Webb is an incredible 

844
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,120
researcher and I think anyone 
who has listened to her speak, 

845
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,240
let alone read her writing knows
that she has an encyclopedic 

846
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:21,640
knowledge of people and places 
and connections and events that 

847
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,160
is truly, I would say second to 
none in the independent media 

848
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,920
space. 
So I was absolutely happy and 

849
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,560
honored that she would write the
the forward to this book. 

850
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,520
I think it's, it's a testament 
to the fact that she truly is 

851
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,280
one of those people who I, I 
don't want to put words out 

852
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,400
there that people can read the 
forward for result. 

853
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,400
But the fact that she credits me
as someone that she has looked 

854
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,200
up to is truly really some of 
the the greatest feedback that I

855
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,320
can ever receive. 
Because what I am trying to do 

856
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,400
with this information is simply 
get other people energized to 

857
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,400
start working on it. 
I know I am not the world's 

858
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,400
smartest man or the world's 
greatest person and I'm not 

859
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,920
going to solve all the world's 
problems. 

860
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,200
I don't believe that's how this 
works, but I know there are 10s 

861
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,360
of thousands, hundreds of 
thousands, millions of people 

862
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,000
out there who if they had some 
of this information, would be 

863
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,040
able to use their own skills, 
experience their own world view 

864
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,000
to construct something different
out of it and to move it forward

865
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,480
down the field. 
And that is really why I do what

866
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,240
I do. 
I, I know that once we get 

867
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,120
people energized and thinking 
along the right lines, set the 

868
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,320
right narrative so that for 
example, in the event of the 

869
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,320
next 911 people don't give more 
power and approval to the 

870
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,680
government, but instead say, no,
you just broke the social 

871
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,760
contract, we're not going to 
listen to you anymore. 

872
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,480
If we can start setting 
narratives along those lines, 

873
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,480
great. 
So when I hear from someone like

874
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,720
a Whitney Webb that I helped 
inspire them or in any way and 

875
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:50,720
contributed to their 
development, that that's amazing

876
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,360
and that's wonderful. 
And so anyway, for people who 

877
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,280
don't know Whitney Webb, please 
check out unlimited hangout.com.

878
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,600
She has talked about so many 
different things. 

879
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:04,240
And yes, for example, she is, 
she was talking about Peter 

880
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:07,720
Thiel and Palantir and their 
connection to the the CIA and, 

881
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,400
and nefarious activities at 
DARPA etcetera. 

882
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,840
Years ago. 
She was talking, she did a 

883
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,720
series on the Dark Winter and 
the various players around that 

884
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,560
and how they contributed and 
hung around and then contributed

885
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,080
to the scam demic of the past 
few years, etcetera, etcetera. 

886
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,040
She's done such incredibly 
pioneering work on issues like 

887
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,000
that and she has the receipts. 
Anything you read of hers is 

888
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,720
incredibly thoroughly 
documented. 

889
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,200
And as people might notice, I 
like to document my, my work as 

890
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,600
well. 
So again, if I can contribute 

891
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,760
absolutely nothing else to the 
entire world other than the fact

892
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,160
that people expect documentation
and citation of sources in their

893
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,040
work, I would say that's, that 
would be a, a, a win. 

894
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,160
That's a huge one. 
Like, it so often doesn't even 

895
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,400
occur to you. 
You hear Barack Obama say there 

896
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,240
was an attack at the Pulse 
nightclub. 

897
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,960
This man was out because of his 
hatred of homosexuals and that's

898
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,160
why he killed people. 
It took years before I ever 

899
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,720
stopped to say, can you cite 
your source? 

900
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,120
I mean, that's what would be 
expected of me if I was in 6th 

901
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,200
grade and I made a falsifiable 
claim like that. 

902
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,120
What is your evidence? 
You just gave me a very big 

903
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,680
falsifiable claim. 
What's your source, Mr. Harvard 

904
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,720
graduate, president of America? 
Certainly, Certainly. 

905
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:26,040
It's going to be so impressive. 
Let me strap myself in. 

906
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,920
So good documentation. 
That is very important. 

907
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,880
What is the real meaning of 
independence? 

908
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,120
I think people will need to read
the essay to appreciate that in 

909
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,640
its full context. 
But essentially independence, 

910
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,560
Yes, there are a number of 
documents or flowery language 

911
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,760
that we can point to that has 
been made in the past about 

912
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,160
freedom, about independence. 
We can celebrate Independence 

913
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,720
Day by eating hot dogs and 
fireworks. 

914
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,360
I don't do that in Japan, but 
anyway, I understand that that 

915
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,200
happens in America. 
But real independence, the 

916
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,840
actual independence is something
that is innate to you. 

917
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:14,160
You are born a free, sovereign 
human being, a an individual who

918
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,120
can and presumably will work 
with other people in community. 

919
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,520
But you are a free and sovereign
individual. 

920
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,960
And no, no pen of any would be 
authoritarian. 

921
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,200
A ruler can ever take that away 
from you. 

922
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,240
They can direct their thugs and 
enforcers to come and put you in

923
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,560
a cage if you don't do what they
say, etcetera, etcetera. 

924
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,480
And that has and can and will 
and happen. 

925
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,720
But they cannot take away your 
true independent nature. 

926
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,160
And until people really reclaim 
that sovereignty, not 

927
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,040
necessarily by making some 
grandiose statement or signing 

928
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,360
some document, but simply create
claim their own cognitive 

929
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,040
sovereignty and individuality. 
Well then they won't truly 

930
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,000
understand that the freedom that
they already possess and that 

931
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,080
that it isn't it isn't some sort
of thing. 

932
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,200
Yeah, OK. 
We can celebrate it in some way 

933
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,960
with some platitudes, but no 
independence on in this most 

934
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:12,200
real state is something that in 
here's to you simply by the fact

935
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,120
that you are a free human being.
You are and you were born into 

936
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,960
this world that way and that is 
who you are. 

937
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,600
And when you claim that in your 
mind, in your soul, when you go 

938
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,480
forward in the world that way, 
that will affect who you are and

939
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,160
what you do in the world. 
Final question, thank you so 

940
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,080
much for your time. 
You and I had a conversation 

941
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,840
about this topic like I think 7 
years ago. 

942
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,120
I want to ask you about it one 
once again to see, you know 

943
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,960
what's changed because I know 
we've been, we've both been 

944
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,680
through a lot. 
What is the most important take 

945
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,120
away from the documentary 
Children Full of Life? 

946
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,600
Yeah, it's been several years 
since I've seen it, so let me 

947
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,840
think, what is my perspective on
it these days? 

948
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,440
I I remember at the time. 
So for people who don't know, 

949
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:01,240
this is a documentary film that 
I believe was put together in 

950
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:02,840
Japan. 
It was a Japanese documentary, 

951
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,400
but then it was taken. 
The 5th estate of the CBC takes 

952
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,760
foreign documentaries and will 
essentially put their own 

953
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,960
speaker on top of it. 
And that that's the way that it 

954
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,120
is been propagated in English. 
And I made a video back in 2012,

955
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,960
something like that, where I was
just out at the park having a 

956
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,200
picnic with my wife at that day.
And I thought, you know what? 

957
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:26,720
I just saw this great 
documentary. 

958
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,200
I'll make a little video just 
telling people to watch this 

959
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,160
documentary. 
It was a little literally too in

960
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,160
the video, just saying, hey, 
here's a really good 

961
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,000
documentary. 
I'll put the link in the 

962
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,360
description. 
Please go watch it. 

963
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,560
And for whatever reason, this 
was back when YouTube had a 

964
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,680
homepage that everybody in the 
world would see. 

965
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,080
And for whatever reason, that 
particular video of all the 

966
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,200
videos I've done, that 
particular video landed on the 

967
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,560
YouTube homepage and got 
hundreds of thousands of views 

968
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,680
overnight. 
And most of the comments were 

969
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,400
like, why am I getting this on 
the homepage? 

970
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,440
But anyway, I was delighted to 
see that that that documentary 

971
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,080
got hundreds of thousands of 
views as a result of that. 

972
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,640
And I'm glad because it was a 
profoundly affecting a 

973
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,480
documentary. 
And if you can watch that 

974
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,800
without tearing up a little, 
you're probably not human 

975
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,480
inside. 
It's, it's just a profoundly 

976
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,920
moving document of what is 
possible when we are talking 

977
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,320
about the development of, see, 
the development of children's 

978
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,080
minds and the development of 
their hearts and souls and who 

979
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,520
they are and shaping them for 
the world that they're growing 

980
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,120
up into is such a foundationally
important part of our 

981
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,280
civilization. 
But most people don't even give 

982
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,960
it a second thought for them. 
For most people, school is just 

983
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,840
at best, it's a place where you 
go to learn, you know, 2 + 2 = 

984
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,760
4. 
But even more cynically, it's 

985
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,480
just, well, it's kind of 
babysitting, you know, let let 

986
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,840
the state take care of it while 
I go out to work. 

987
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,640
However, that that documentary 
presents a different conception 

988
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,000
of what education is and how it 
can work and what kind of effect

989
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,360
it can have on people's lives. 
And I have no doubt that every 

990
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,240
single member of that class 
remembers that teacher. 

991
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,920
Mr. Kanamuri, if I remember 
correctly, remembers his 

992
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,400
teaching and remembers what they
learnt from that class. 

993
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,760
Not the 2 + 2 = 4 stuff, but the
stuff about human connection and

994
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,480
what it means and why it's 
important. 

995
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,920
It's just a profoundly moving 
experience. 

996
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,560
And it's, it's probably the best
way to talk about different 

997
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,400
conceptions of education. 
Because you can talk about that 

998
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,440
in this high, highfalutin kind 
of way in abstract terms and 

999
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,720
talk about the importance of 
education. 

1000
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:43,040
But when you see when you see 
how a classroom can be run or 

1001
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,680
not even run in the traditional 
sense, but the way that 

1002
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,600
children's can can learn how to 
interact with each other in a 

1003
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,440
completely different way. 
When you see it happening, it is

1004
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,640
a profoundly different and 
moving experience. 

1005
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,000
So I think it teaches us 
something about the the real 

1006
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,720
true path forward for us as a 
species, as a civilization. 

1007
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:09,360
It is, you know, there's a lot 
of jockeying and wrestling back 

1008
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,360
and forth about political ideas 
and what have you. 

1009
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,280
But I think foundationally it 
comes to the way that we raise 

1010
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,960
our children. 
What kind of children are we 

1011
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,920
raising and in what way? 
And are we raising them to be 

1012
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:26,360
caring, responsible, thoughtful,
engaging and engaged human 

1013
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:31,120
beings? 
Or are we simply using school as

1014
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,880
a babysitting sort of center 
that we can offload our children

1015
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,920
and our responsibility for 
developing children's minds 

1016
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,680
onto? 
And if it's the latter, then 

1017
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,680
that's that's the reason why if 
you feel that society is 

1018
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,160
collapsing and civilization is 
going to hell in a handbasket, 

1019
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,760
that's the reason more so than 
anything else. 

1020
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,000
It's not about woke transgender 
bathrooms or what have you. 

1021
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,240
It's about the way that we raise
our children. 

1022
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:58,000
And anyway, I think people 
should watch that documentary 

1023
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,160
and cogitate on that. 
I love that answer, The 

1024
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,040
importance of human connection, 
because that is not obvious. 

1025
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,160
If you look at curriculum in 
general, they will. 

1026
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,480
I just remember being bashed 
over the head with the the vital

1027
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,880
importance of homework and 
homework, by the way, you're 

1028
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,840
either doing it in isolation or 
you're cheating. 

1029
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,160
So necessarily for constantly 
getting people isolated. 

1030
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,520
Did you just talk in class? 
That's not allowed. 

1031
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,240
It's like really? 
No wonder every kid says, oh, 

1032
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:29,800
recess is the best part of the 
day. 

1033
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,440
What do you? 
Of course, that's what you would

1034
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,440
expect. 
So it's not an obvious answer 

1035
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,240
that people don't appreciate. 
But this documentary gets across

1036
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:39,920
the importance of human 
connection. 

1037
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,120
I even meet adults who are just 
obsessed with, they're like on 

1038
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,080
the sort of hedonic treadmill. 
I'll, I'll really be happy once 

1039
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,720
I buy this next thing. 
I'm like, I swear to God, you've

1040
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:51,920
said that about like 30 things 
in the past. 

1041
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,680
Do you think having a wider 
range of people in your social 

1042
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,640
circles might improve your life 
a little bit more? 

1043
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,520
And so that is really something 
that changed in my world view. 

1044
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,120
And I think this documentary 
perfectly illustrates the 

1045
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,160
importance of human connection 
and how so often it's overseen 

1046
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,320
in place of, you know, people 
being isolated, people being 

1047
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,640
alone or finding happiness 
through material products and 

1048
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,440
services. 
James Corbett, Any final words 

1049
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,000
before we end? 
Nothing other than to say thank 

1050
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,320
you for having me on you. 
You always have the most 

1051
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,360
interesting questions and you 
always take things from a 

1052
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,040
different angle, so I appreciate
that. 

1053
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,640
And yes, anytime you want me on 
just let me know. 

1054
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,240
I appreciate it very much, 
James. 

1055
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:39,640
The book is reportage essays on 
the New World Order. 

1056
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,360
Thanks to everyone for watching 
Keith Knight. 

1057
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,600
Don't tread on anyone in the 
Libertarian Institute. 

1058
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,360
James Corbett, thank you for 
your time. 

1059
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:46,800
Thank you for having me on.