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The principle that the majority 
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minority practically resolves. 
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contest between two bodies of 
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be Masters. 
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Welcome to Keith's Nike don't 
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libertarian Institute today. 
I am so happy to be reunited 

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with Isaac Morehouse. 
It's been a couple years since I

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met him at the IHS Retreat. 
He is the CEO of Crash, the 

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career launch platform and the 
founder of Praxis a start-up 

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apprenticeship. 
I am Isaac. 

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Where's the best place to find 
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Probably just Isaac more 
house.com. 

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You can you can find the company
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and podcast and all the 
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I'm up to or Twitter at Isaac 
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I'm very active there as well. 
That's awesome. 

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So, I was looking through your 
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straight read of a number of 
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interested in. 
Some of my favorite works on 

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libertarianism one of, which was
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John has this please give me the
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think it's so important. 
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absolute. 
I mean it is a gem. 

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It is one of the absolute best 
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I won't even say on anarchism on
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what I mean by that in a minute 
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to like every year. 
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now, but because when I first 
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to what I would call hayekian, 
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you know, it's an understanding 
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played is the conflation of the 
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concept of governance or the 
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of order. 
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in it, and I think That limits 
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both economic and moral to their
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And it's dragging me more and 
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I'm feeling very uncomfortable 
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classic the classic garbage, you
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Back when I was a teenager like,
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roads but how would things like 
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Ajan, like how would it work? 
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obviousness of Anarchy really 
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It makes you realize that that 
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question because it's already 
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So that the the nutshell version
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anarchy is all around us. 
In fact, Anarchy is the backdrop

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of everything. 
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The heavy lifting is being done 
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norms and ideas and the order 
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everything from property rights 
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walk around naked in the 
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That's not because of law. 
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precedes law. 
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those essays logically and 
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the state. 
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can't organize into a state 
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the ability to organize already.
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And so that concept that like, 
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Order of I mean, right? 
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You can look at money, these 
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call it hayekian the 
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emergent order and you realize 
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rights, common law itself, which
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is legislation, gets tacked on 
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credit for it. 
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use the the, you know, naked in 
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students, you know. 
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exposure laws were overturned 
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There's always some kid that 
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Nobody would write, nobody would
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I probably get kicked out of the
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mall, at all. 
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these things arise these norms 
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without the state and then, the 
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this law. 
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already being done and that 
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I'm going to take credit from 
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never happening. 
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great example, you don't ever 
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poor countries, or at least you 
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Enforced, you get them once. 
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eradicated because people don't 
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labor. 
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introduced to make it illegal 
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it illegal for the tiny, tiny 
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are still doing that. 
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So Society tends to take care of
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market does in a very subtle 
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within a generation, if that it 
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forget that it, there didn't 
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political philosopher, you know,
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weren't the Leviathan, this 
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Everything would be utter chaos.
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of Anarchy is pointing out that 
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the, that the essay comes back 
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And over again is look around. 
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take care of this? 
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Lawn for public law enforcement 
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1860s was everyone murdering 
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years of this country's? 
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It's the backdrop is just so 
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Yeah, there is a Great article 
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Do we ever really get out of 
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Dad, and and you and I didn't 
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So I gotta plug. 
There's nobody. 

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Nobody ever references that 
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I'm like so excited that you 
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underappreciated because it is a
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of saying, who watches the 
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as a society can't, you know, 
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sort of ignorant, corrupt, and 
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What we Need is a state. 
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just a subset of the very 
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corrupt, stupid and ignorant 
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with any Authority who regulates
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Eventually, you have to justify 
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are in a state of Anarchy, but 
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government who gave them the 
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who gives people a license to 
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there's no, there's a system of,
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then there's no credibility and 
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What you instead have is 
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credibility agencies or a 
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Monopolies are terrible and we 
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monopolies. 
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monopoly on taxation law, 
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and then they just list all the 
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monopoly on it. 
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When you it's like once your 
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can't, you can't see the world, 
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so absurd that you ever did, 
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When I see people like, we need 
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that, you know, nobody can own 
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register. 
Blah blah. 

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And you think about what that 
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that has murdered like Actually 
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institution, you can add up 
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petty theft and individual mass 
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Add them all up, hop in the 
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governments have done to their 
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think that entity you want to 
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violence of self-defense and, 
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want to entrust them with, with 
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Like, it's so absurd to me. 
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hate violence, well, I would you
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It's wild. 
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really that conceptual game that
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of Government is government is 
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clear and understand that people
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necessary evil. 
They already know that it's 

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evil. 
Nobody actually likes 

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government. 
They know that it's shitty. 

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They might as things for them, 
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Nobody's like, Yay. 
It's a necessary evil is what 

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So government is a bad belief. 
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human nature. 
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fabric of the world that govern 
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solving disputes even even 
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Leaders in certain areas, and 
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specialization. 
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Are these things are all part of
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The way Society is built, but if
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which is an unnecessary, belief 
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governance, which is a necessary
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Then you've won already. 
You just have the two terms 

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interchangeable in people's 
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And when you say no government, 
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no governance that those. 
Those two things have been so 

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conflated and so the separation 
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single most important thing to 
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and the role of violence and 
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for it to solve problems. 
Exactly giving the government a 

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monopoly on guns to solve 
violence that, that really is 

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wild. 
It's like saying husbands are 

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bad. 
Therefore o j--, Simpson should 

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control. 
All men who get married and 

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parents are bad there for Casey.
Anthony should be everyone's 

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babysitter. 
And I mean, it's so ridiculous. 

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I can't believe anyone. 
It's well, that's why they get 

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you in in the schooling system. 
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practice to work to help us get 
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spoke about was also by John has
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of law. 
What is the thesis of the myth 

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of the rule of law? 
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from it, man? 
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This one is one of those that 
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like, let's say a liberal part, 
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they're sort of it. 
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of. 
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law as some, you know, Ironclad 
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It's not it's not an altar. 
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and like constitutionalist 
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Justin Amash types, very often 
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idea that If only we abide by 
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If only, we get the laws, right,
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abide by them, and they're very,
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Constitution. 
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essay, the myth of the rule of 
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there is never an escape from 
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have a A state. 
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you're going to have the rule of
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competitive market process. 
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that can make decisions say you 
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competing protection. 
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to make a decision about 
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have a better outcome than the 
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rule of individuals within a 
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Text the rule of law when people
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a government as long as it's, 
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Constitution. 
Then it's going to be fine. 

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It's not possible. 
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This is pointing out. 
It's not possible. 

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Forget about whether it's 
desirable. 

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If you get, if you have some 
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whatever the Second Amendment 
and it's like somehow this piece

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of paper can constrain everyone.
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I don't know. 
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because it's not possible. 
So that's the Whole point. 

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He's like look, it's not 
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through some of the things that 
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head or very simple. 
Very common sense. 

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Okay, here's a case of, you 
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Does it violate the First 
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impossible to come up with an 
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agree with yourself on let 
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Two different people can agree 
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And he does this over and over 
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trying to reveal that you. 
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If we just Make a piece of 

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paper. 
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thinks that the government today
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way bigger or more intrusive 
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The founders have already 
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law by admitting that right like
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They put it in the Constitution.
They got the rule of law and 

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that its most of the stuff in 
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Sounds pretty good. 
At first glance. 

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Certainly, the Bill of Rights. 
Sounds pretty good. 

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None of it, none of its ever. 
It doesn't constrain anyone and 

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you know, has it gotten worse 
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in the beginning. 
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earliest president's they were 
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They were throwing people in 
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Bottom. 
And, you know, I mean like this 

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is like a from like the earliest
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You can't constrain human actors
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requires human actors to 
interpret and enforce them 

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period. 
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your disabused of the notion 
that you can be saved by better 

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laws or better interpretation of
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laws. 
Then you have to say, well, what

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can we look to? 
And that's where you ask, what 

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process is more likely to lead 
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Mission and no consequences for 
police officers, you know have 

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legal immunity or 4G, you know 
judges or whatever. 

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We're politicians can you know 
concentrate benefits dispersed 

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costs or one where there's 
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Where there's a more competitive
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process itself and say which one
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more peaceful outcomes, the more
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And so, I think it's really 
powerful to help people the 

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conservative-leaning types or 
those who came from conservatism

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as myself. 
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this Camp. 
It was like just you know, just 

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follow the Constitution, you 
know, or like let's just get you

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know, whatever. 
That doesn't mean anything. 

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At the end of the day, at the 
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It's always going to be 
political determinations. 

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So you have to remove politics 
changing. 

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The laws is not going to cut it,
reducing the the and putting 

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thing more things in the 
marketplace only option you 

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have. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
I think that's a really 

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important Insight getting into, 
you know, voluntarily funded 

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competing organizations because 
for all the regulation that the 

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state says, As we need to 
regulate the entire economy and 

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every aspect of life. 
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the free market has that the 
state doesn't is the freedom to 

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disassociate with Bad actors. 
So therefore, it's not even like

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a level playing Ground 
cost-benefit analysis. 

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There really is 11 strength, the
voluntarist Libertarians have 

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that the status really do not 
end up. 

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I think that really is the heart
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them about. 
Here, the other one you 

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mentioned was Human Action by 
maysa, very short book for some 

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bedtime reading. 
What is the most important 

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takeaway from Human Action by 
Ludwig? 

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Von mises. 
Oh my God, the heart that book. 

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I've read it cover to cover and 
then I've read sections of it 

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many many times. 
I mean, to me that's like that's

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like the best book in all the 
social sciences to me. 

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It's just, it's so good. 
It's so clear. 

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It's so well written. 
It's so how do I get? 

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What is the main takeaway from? 
I mean, I guess. 

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The main takeaway is probably 
more methodological than 

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anything and it's that there is 
a science Of Human Action that 

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you can that you can understand 
and build from and what and what

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does that mean? 
I mean, especially now with the 

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prominence of like what are 
called behavioral economists. 

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It's very very popular to say. 
Oh, well, if people were 

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perfectly rational robots, then 
We could say we could make 

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predictions or we could 
understand things about the way,

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the economy works, but people 
are crazy. 

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They're irrational. 
They have biases. 

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Therefore. 
You can't understand anything 

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about how they're going to 
behave which is which is there's

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a ring of truth to it because 
what they're really what they're

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reacting against is a very 
cartoonish, neoclassical model 

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of homo economicus, which is 
sort of like, you know, oh 

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people will maximize their like 
money profit. 

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In all situations and it doesn't
take into account. 

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Really anything larger, any 
other preferences and a lot of 

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those models are ridiculous and 
they don't play out in the real 

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world and they get criticized 
for good reason. 

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What what mises says in Human 
Action. 

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He establishes economics on a 
rock-solid foundation that I 

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don't think anyone else has come
close to doing, which is, let's 

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start with only what we can 
prove with a priori is he says 

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with just reason alone? 
And before we go start, looking 

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at the empirical data and 
observations, let's start and 

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let's let's lay out the 
fundamental axioms that are that

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are provable with logic alone. 
So, you know, man, acts. 

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That's the fun. 
That's the first premise that 

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the first Axiom in the book 
humans, take purposeful action. 

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And if you try to refute that, 
it's self reinforcing. 

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Trying to refute. 
It is a purposeful action, 

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right? 
You can't. 

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You can't escape it. 
Great. 

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People are like, yeah. 
So what that's? 

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That's a tautology, right? 
But he builds from that when 

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people act, they choose whatever
that is, according to their own 

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subjective preferences, their 
highest valued action. 

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Now, that right there is really,
really powerful. 

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It doesn't say anything about 
whether or not they're 

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misinformed, whether they might 
change their mind later. 

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But by the fact that they chose 
something it reveals to us that 

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they believed choosing that 
thing was preferable to To all 

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of the other things they could 
have done or could have chosen 

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in that moment. 
And as you see like from this 

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you start to get you. 
Basically you get supply and 

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demand curves. 
Eventually you're a few steps 

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away from supply and demand 
curves because you get the 

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concept of marginal utility, 
right? 

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You choose your first best 
option, first? 

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And then your second best option
and then your third best option 

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and you get, you know, you can 
kind of build the basic laws of 

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Economics on this. 
Now, it's very, very like, 

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people will say well, so what 
that stuff is, so stripped down 

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that it Not capable of telling 
you very much about the real 

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world, because the real world is
not, you know, is not ceteris, 

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paribus. 
It's not all things equal. 

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There's all kinds of other 
there. 

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But the same people that will 
tell you that, you know, like 

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the idea that you can't have 
interpersonal value comparisons.

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So because value is subjective. 
I can't compare. 

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You know how much utility I gain
versus you gain from? 

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You know, let's say let's say 
Somebody, you know, paints a 

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picture and gives it to us as a 
gift and if we had say, well, 

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the one of us that values, it 
more should get it. 

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There's no way we can make that 
determination that possible. 

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Now we can have a market where 
we each bid for it and pay for 

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it and then we can determine who
values at more in dollars. 

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That's not necessarily. 
Get a tell us because we value 

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dollars at different amounts. 
Right? 

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So people will say well, this is
all tautological. 

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What's the big deal? 
And then they'll go on to create

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an entire field called welfare. 
Economics that tries to Maximize

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the utility of all these people,
which they just admit. 

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I mean, I would have debates 
with people back in the day 

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about they'd be like, I, I lay 
out these axioms and they'd be 

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like, yeah, of course, I agree 
with all them. 

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They're all, they're all 
tautologies. 

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They're just so what? 
And then they'd be like, so, I'm

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studying welfare economics, and 
I'm like, that's not possible. 

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You just said, you can't, the 
whole thing is bullshit. 

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So I think that's what's so 
great about mises is like, and 

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that's why economists don't like
the Austrian School. 

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Largely as Hayek said, it's it 
demonstrates to Man how little 

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they know about what they 
imagine. 

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They can design. 
It's very humbling. 

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It really tells you like. 
Nope, can't make that claim, 

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can't make that claim. 
Either, you can make these very 

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humble set of claims are very 
powerful. 

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But then, from here on out, it's
a lot of, you know, that's when 

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you get into the actual 
empirical part and start looking

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at what's happening in the world
and try to understand it things 

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can't violate these very, very 
few laws. 

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But when they appear to violate 
them, you got to figure out what

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is going on that you're missing 
and it's a very, it's a humbling

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task about knowing what you're 
wrong about, rather than Nice 

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sweeping predictions that you 
can make exactly. 

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And of course, you see this on 
both sides. 

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It's okay for us to invade the 
country. 

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Kill civilians, install a 
dictator because in 10 years, 

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the people will be better off. 
Okay. 

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First of all, you don't know 
that second of all the 

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intelligence probably based on a
lie, and third, you're not going

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to bear the cost of funding it, 
or you won't go to jail if it 

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goes bad so you have no 
incentive. 

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So I remember at its at the end 
of democracy, The God That 

455
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:23,600
Failed. 
And Hans Hapa said, people will 

456
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,900
sort of justify government on 
utilitarian grounds, which 

457
00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:29,500
relies on interpersonal 
comparisons of utility. 

458
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:31,400
So that's scientifically 
impermissible. 

459
00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:36,200
And he just dismisses the and 
dismisses like the primary claim

460
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:38,100
that these people make. 
But you see it all the time. 

461
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:40,700
Bro. 
Khanna is talking to Ben Shapiro

462
00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:44,000
and Ben Spiros. 
Like, so the Congressional 

463
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,200
budget office said, if the 
minimum wage is increased to x 

464
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,600
amount that 1.4 million jobs 
would be lost. 

465
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,500
He goes. 
Well, yeah. 

466
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,400
You know, think of all the other
people, that that would help 

467
00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,700
without appreciating the other 
people who won't be able to 

468
00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:00,900
start up a business, the 
oligopolies that would create 

469
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:03,600
the fewer products and services 
people would have access to the 

470
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,600
fewer employment opportunities. 
The higher prices, less access 

471
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,800
to goods and services less 
investment because more is being

472
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,200
put into employees. 
I mean, it's just amazing how 

473
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,800
and this is where the Austrian 
School is. 

474
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,300
So maddening to people because 
even free market types of kind 

475
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:22,800
of the non Austrian bent. 
And they love those sort of 

476
00:25:22,808 --> 00:25:24,800
debates about the minimum wage 
and they'll come out with their 

477
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,900
own study and they'll say, well,
look, the minimum wage is going 

478
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:30,400
to cost, you know, X number of 
jobs to go under. 

479
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,600
And then people will, you know, 
they'll debate the data. 

480
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:34,200
Or maybe they'll go a step back 
from that. 

481
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,400
And they'll say, well, when you 
raise the price of something 

482
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,500
people purchase less of it, 
there you raised a price of 

483
00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:42,400
Labor, people are going to buy 
less labor. 

484
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,600
So more, you know, low-skilled 
labor is going to be out of jobs

485
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,100
in a general sense without 
putting numbers forward and like

486
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,800
Generally speaking. 
That's true. 

487
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,700
Generally speaking. 
That's the way it plays out. 

488
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:57,000
But what's what's so powerful? 
And maddening to others with the

489
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,300
Austrian School is you can't 
really tell me what's going to 

490
00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:03,400
happen. 
There's no way to know exactly 

491
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,500
what's going to happen because 
again value is subjective. 

492
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:11,500
So there may be some people who 
like this is theoretically 

493
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:15,900
possible that if the minimum 
wage is raised and you know, 

494
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:17,900
you're making ten bucks an hour 
and I legally have to pay you 

495
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:22,000
15, I decide because I'm a nice 
guy that I'd rather pay you 15 

496
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,300
then fire you and you say wow. 
I'm so honored by this. 

497
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,700
I'm going to work harder like 
that's possible, right? 

498
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:31,000
And with the austrians. 
You don't have to pretend that 

499
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,200
that's not possible. 
But what you can say, is look, 

500
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,800
we don't know what's going to 
happen. 

501
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:40,000
But what we do know is that when
you introduce the use of force, 

502
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,600
you will get an outcome that is 
less optimal by people's own 

503
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,500
subjective preferences than if 
you didn't introduce the use of 

504
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,600
force because I can't say to 
you, here's a group of people, 

505
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,000
and they want to do certain 
things with their money. 

506
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:56,800
And the only way, we know what 
they want to do with their 

507
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,700
money. 
We can't we can't decide by 

508
00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:01,200
asking them because People will 
say stuff, that isn't true, 

509
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,600
right? 
Stated preferences or not. 

510
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,700
Very useful. 
We got to watch what they do, 

511
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,500
whatever they choose to do with 
their money. 

512
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,500
That is what they valued most at
the time of choosing. 

513
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:11,400
Now, we may disagree with it. 
We may dislike it. 

514
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,200
We may try to persuade them to 
do something else. 

515
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,700
But according to their own 
preferences, that's what created

516
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:19,700
the most value for them. 
So them being free to choose is 

517
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:22,300
by definition. 
Creating the maximum value 

518
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:25,200
return on those resources for 
them individually. 

519
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,400
And therefore if you group them 
into a collective and an 

520
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,700
aggregate on the whole the 
minute, Say that choice isn't on

521
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:36,900
the Queue. 
I have by definition reduced, 

522
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:42,500
the value in society because now
they can't choose that. 

523
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,900
I don't know how many of them 
would have, but I know that 

524
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:50,100
there is some sub optimal 
resource allocation because I 

525
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:52,700
have taken away a certain set of
choices. 

526
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:56,100
And so now we'll never know. 
We know that people are not 

527
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,100
allowed to put money to and if 
you take money from people and 

528
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:00,700
spend it on. 
On you know a road and say oh 

529
00:28:00,708 --> 00:28:03,600
look, I created more utility. 
It's impossible for you to know 

530
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,200
that you can't tell me that all 
we know for sure is that 

531
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,300
whatever people would have 
chosen freely would have 

532
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:12,100
maximize their utility and now 
that they can't choose freely. 

533
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:14,700
They have less utility than they
used to, that's really it. 

534
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,500
Like you can, you can come up 
with scenarios and say, it's 

535
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:19,900
likely that there's a lot of 
unemployment here because of 

536
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:22,600
this and these because of these 
laws, it's probable, but there's

537
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,800
so many other variables, the 
austrians even like strip away. 

538
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,800
A lot of the fun from the other 
free market. 

539
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,000
People who want to make like 
very Specific claims about the 

540
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,600
exact unemployment rate that 
will result, you know, yeah, the

541
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:42,300
interpersonal comparison of 
utilities just so dangerous, and

542
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:48,300
it's really seen in a article 
titled, or a short book by 

543
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:51,500
bastiat that would just seem. 
And that which is unseen. 

544
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:55,200
What is the thesis and most 
important takeaway from that 

545
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,200
which is seen and that which is 
unseen. 

546
00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:58,900
Dude. 
That is the book that got me 

547
00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:00,200
hooked on. 
Comics. 

548
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:12,100
I came across that it was 
probably. 2002-2003 maybe long 

549
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:17,400
time ago and it was like, oh my 
gosh, it just blew my mind. 

550
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,200
I couldn't wait for every next 
chapter. 

551
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,200
What? 
How's it going? 

552
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,300
How's it going? 
How's it going to tell the story

553
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:24,700
of this, right? 
Because like on a gut level. 

554
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:29,100
I was kind of a free market guy 
anyway, I sort of on a gut level

555
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:33,200
was like, you know, I don't 
think Government funding for the

556
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,300
Arts is a good idea or, you 
know, subsidies for this or 

557
00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:39,200
whatever, but when people come 
at you with these arguments 

558
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,800
about, oh, well, look at the 
benefits that it creates. 

559
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,200
I remember I had a professor at 
the time. 

560
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,300
That was like, well, the good 
thing about, oh, no. 

561
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:50,300
He said, he said the old line 
that WWII. 

562
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:54,000
Got us out of the depression. 
And I remember being like, 

563
00:29:54,900 --> 00:30:00,300
Blowing up a whole bunch of 
resources made the world more 

564
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:03,700
like wealthy, like that just 
seemed weird. 

565
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:06,100
But I think I didn't quite like,
know how to respond. 

566
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:11,300
So what is seen? 
And what is unseen is the 

567
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:15,200
fundamental text for the 
economic way of thinking, the 

568
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,400
basic idea of what economics 
does, which is to help you 

569
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:24,600
understand causal relationships.
And see exactly. 

570
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,000
The title says, what is unseen, 
so the book opens with the 

571
00:30:28,008 --> 00:30:32,600
broken window fallacy with, you 
know, the idea that somebody 

572
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,900
breaks a window and oh, well 
that's really sad, but it's 

573
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:39,400
actually good for the economy 
because now you've employed the 

574
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,700
window guy and he's got to fix 
the window. 

575
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,900
And bastiat says well, that's 
only what's what's unseen the 

576
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:50,000
guy who had to pay the window 
guy. 

577
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,500
What was he going to do with 
his? 

578
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:55,300
You before again, he would have 
put it to fixing the window was 

579
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:58,400
not his highest valued use 
because he didn't need to fix it

580
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,500
before. 
He would have put it to 

581
00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:02,900
something that he valued more, 
previous to that window being 

582
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:05,600
broken, which would have 
returned him more value. 

583
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,100
Right? 
And like understanding the 

584
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:13,800
again, the like, what would have
happened, hasn't this uses the 

585
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,600
phrase that I've borrowed since 
then, it's like my absolute 

586
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,100
favorite phrase, in all sort of 
political philosophy and 

587
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:22,700
economics compared to what like,
Compared to what? 

588
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,900
Oh wealth was created compared 
to what certainly not compared 

589
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:30,200
to if the window was never 
broken because then you'd have 

590
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,400
that same amount of money that 
went to one guy in the hands of 

591
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,500
the original guy. 
It would go to someone else. 

592
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:37,300
And by definition, what what he 
did with it. 

593
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:40,100
Then he would have valued more. 
You can't create value by 

594
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:41,800
destroying resources. 
Right? 

595
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:47,100
Like he would have had a window 
and instead of just having, you 

596
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:49,000
know, the window and no longer 
having the money right? 

597
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,800
Like that. 
Simple concept, and then, 

598
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,000
bastiat goes to explain it in 
all different examples. 

599
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,600
He talks about subsidizing, RT 
talks about trade restrictions. 

600
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,100
He talks about all kinds of, and
he's so witty. 

601
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:06,100
And like the most clear speaking
French person I've ever read. 

602
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,700
It's, it is a phenomenal book 
and Henry, hazlitt economics. 

603
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:13,800
In one lesson is basically an 
updated version of that and I 

604
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,500
love hazlitt, but I'm telling 
you, nothing comes close to 

605
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,500
bastiat that original book and 
like for somebody who's kind of 

606
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:24,100
a normie Who falls prey, Way to 
sort of mainstream arguments 

607
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:27,400
about well, you know, it's 
actually building a sports 

608
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,600
stadium with tax dollars is 
actually good for the local 

609
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,700
economy because it stimulates 
the economy. 

610
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:35,200
Right? 
Like Give them Basquiat or read 

611
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,700
it yourself. 
So you'll know how to answer 

612
00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:42,000
them because it's just it 
untangles the confusion that and

613
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,800
helps you understand why your 
intuition if you think 

614
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,000
intuitively it's like well 
taking my money to give it to a 

615
00:32:48,008 --> 00:32:50,000
sports Stadium. 
How is that going to make me 

616
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,700
more money? 
It feels weird. 

617
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,300
But when some Economist is like 
a boost the economy, we got 

618
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:56,100
people coming in about you. 
Just you kind of get like 

619
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:58,500
mesmerised and bastiat breaks 
the spell. 

620
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:01,900
Exactly. 
Yeah, it's the equivalent of 

621
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,900
saying, if the government didn't
prearranged all marriages, no 

622
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:08,700
one would ever be married and we
wouldn't be in relationships 

623
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,200
because let me point to all the 
marriages that the state has 

624
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,500
pre-arranged. 
Well, yes, they have coercively 

625
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:17,100
arranged to these, but in the 
absence of this coercive 

626
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,700
Arrangement, you wouldn't have 
people sitting around. 

627
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:23,500
Expiring, like, the camel 
standing between two pails of 

628
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:26,800
water and just dies and expired 
before he could go to one. 

629
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,100
You would have people acting 
voluntarily. 

630
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,900
Achieving their ends with, you 
know, any resources, they 

631
00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:35,600
acquired through original 
appropriation or voluntary 

632
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,200
exchange bastiat. 
So, valuable, did you read 

633
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,400
economic harmonies? 
You get through the whole thing?

634
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,200
Oh, absolutely. 
Yeah. 

635
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:49,900
I feel like it's been a decade 
since I've read pretty much it 

636
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,400
thing. 
I could get my hands on him, 

637
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,200
boss the ayats and I just love 
that. 

638
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,600
He's so witty. 
So it I think my favorite 

639
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,500
individual thing is a short 
essay the candle makers petition

640
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,900
its assets. 
Lyrical s. 

641
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:03,400
A candle makers are petitioning,
the government to blot out the 

642
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,400
sun, because it's unfair foreign
competition for their sales of 

643
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:09,900
candles. 
It's so it's so good. 

644
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:12,600
You know, what's interesting 
with bastiat, the seen and the 

645
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,300
Unseen cons? 
I like so immersed, myself in 

646
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:22,600
that in like got that mindset 
clicking, that it applies in so 

647
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,699
many areas outside of what you 
typically think of as economic. 

648
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:29,600
So when I'm talking with people 
about schooling and freedom and 

649
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,699
choice in education, so many 
parents, you'll run into will 

650
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:40,300
say, well, you know, look, I was
forced to go to school and I 

651
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:46,400
hate but I learned this really 
He valuable thing that right 

652
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,500
therefore it was good and I'll 
say to them. 

653
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:53,400
I'll say look, I could in my 
basement for a year and force 

654
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,100
you to listen to The Beatles 
everyday chained to the wall, 

655
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,600
couldn't do anything else. 
And at the end of that time, the

656
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,300
odds that you gain, something 
you could not have gained 

657
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:06,900
without having that experience 
are very, very high. 

658
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:15,500
You are. 
Of some understanding of The 

659
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:18,700
Beatles or some appreciation for
music or maybe just a greater 

660
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:22,300
appreciation for Freedom. 
After that that you couldn't 

661
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:23,800
have had without that 
experience. 

662
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,400
Does that mean that I ought to 
impose that experience on 

663
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,400
everyone, right? 
Like, whatever experiences you 

664
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,100
had in, life are so unique that 
the things that you have, you 

665
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:36,000
couldn't have had without that 
experience, that doesn't justify

666
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,900
The Experience being imposed on 
everyone else. 

667
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:39,300
It's absurd. 
What are the costs? 

668
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:41,500
What would have happened without
that? 

669
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,500
You know, like, I just that just
Suffocation that you know, well,

670
00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:47,900
I was treated like shit by 
teacher out. 

671
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:49,300
Okay. 
Therefore I better do it to my 

672
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:53,200
kids like it's the scene in the 
Unseen all over again in 

673
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,600
different context. 
I use that logic only with 

674
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,300
previous teachers. 
So when I see them Marching for 

675
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:03,000
higher wages, I make sure to 
comment on all the Facebook 

676
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,600
feeds. 
You get what you get and you 

677
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,100
don't throw a fit is what you 
Pricks told me 15 years ago. 

678
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,000
So you better start embracing 
your own principles here. 

679
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,600
All right, but before Get too 
upset about that the 

680
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,000
intellectuals and socialism by 
Friedrich Hayek. 

681
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,300
What is the main thesis and 
thing? 

682
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:25,900
You learn from the intellectuals
and socialism by Hayek, man. 

683
00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:29,500
So what I would say, the thing 
that I've been the most obsessed

684
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:33,900
with in the last 20 years, which
is sort of my entire kind of 

685
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:38,400
career, professional life and 
intellectual life has been 

686
00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:43,900
trying to understand how social 
change happens because I'm I'm 

687
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:45,700
like, a, you know, I'm a 
philosophical guy and I'm really

688
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:47,900
interested in Big Ideas. 
But like, okay, the ideas of 

689
00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:49,100
Freedom. 
They're awesome. 

690
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:50,800
They're beautiful. 
They're compelling. 

691
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,100
They have so much to offer, but 
I want more than to understand 

692
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:56,300
them. 
Like, I want to live free and I 

693
00:36:56,308 --> 00:36:58,600
want to maximize the ability for
others to live free. 

694
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,400
So how do we bring that about? 
And so that's kind of been my 

695
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,800
career trajectory first. 
I was like, oh, we going to 

696
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,800
politics and I learned the hard 
way politics is not where you 

697
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,900
get, you know, social change 
from It's all my career 

698
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:14,500
trajectory and my intellectual 
journey through parallel to each

699
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:16,100
other. 
Like I went into politics and 

700
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:18,600
then I discovered public Choice 
Theory at the same time and 

701
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,300
realize why politics can't work?
And then then I go into policy 

702
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:26,800
and like policy. 
Advocacy sort of Think Tank work

703
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,700
and you know, I'm kind of diving
deeper and understanding more 

704
00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:31,700
about bureaucratic. 
So I remember mrs. 

705
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:33,900
Bureaucracy when I read that I 
was like, oh no wonder 

706
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:38,300
nonprofits, have such a hard 
time, but like, as I've gone 

707
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:40,600
through and eventually sort of 
Did with entrepreneurship but 

708
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:46,200
Hayek's the intellectuals and 
socialism the first half of 

709
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,500
understanding and there's a 
second half that came later to 

710
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:51,800
me, which is how in terms of how
social change happens. 

711
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:56,700
He lays out essentially this 
theory for social change. 

712
00:37:56,700 --> 00:38:02,100
That says, You have this kind of
it's almost like the structure 

713
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,600
of production in the economy, 
right where you have capital 

714
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,000
goods that sort of and their 
value is sort of imbued from the

715
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,200
from, I don't want to get too 
complex. 

716
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,800
But anyway, you have capital 
goods and intermediate goods and

717
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,700
then consumer goods in the world
of ideas. 

718
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:19,000
You have the beliefs of the 
public, the popular ideas, but 

719
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,500
those are sort of disseminated 
to them. 

720
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:24,500
Through what Hyatt calls 
secondhand dealers of ideas and 

721
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:27,500
you can add additional strata to
this pyramid and get more 

722
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:29,600
details. 
But secondhand dealers and ideas

723
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,400
are sort of popularizers 
spreaders of ideas, podcasters, 

724
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,100
people who make TV shows and 
right, popular books and you 

725
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:41,800
know, Talking Heads on the news,
whatever pastors. 

726
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:48,100
But they are getting their 
ideas, sort of original 

727
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:50,900
thinkers. 
And you know in Hayek's model. 

728
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:52,500
There's very few original 
thinkers, right? 

729
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:55,700
John Locke has his Second 
Treatise very very influential 

730
00:38:55,700 --> 00:39:00,900
or Hobbes as I mentioned before 
but no no person on the street. 

731
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:04,300
Like in America, John Locke's 
ideas about property rights, 

732
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:07,100
like my home is my castle and 
you know, the king doesn't have 

733
00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:08,700
a right to come in there very 
much. 

734
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,600
People hold those beliefs, but 
they don't know that they come 

735
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,000
from John Locke. 
They wouldn't you. 

736
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,600
Has his terminology. 
They've never read John Locke. 

737
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:18,000
Somehow it's been true. 
It's trickled down. 

738
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,600
It's been imbued to them lock 
rights. 

739
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,600
This Treatise a lot of nerd, 
study it and they start teaching

740
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,500
it in universities or whatever 
else. 

741
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:27,200
And talking about it writing 
books about it and those books 

742
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,000
or to make their way down and 
those eventually make it to the 

743
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,700
popular belief. 
And so reading Hayek's 

744
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:36,300
description of this, sort of 
structure of production in 

745
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:39,500
ideas. 
It helped me identify higher 

746
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:43,100
leverage, activities than 
arguing. 

747
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,200
Someone on Facebook and trying 
to convince them about something

748
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:51,200
and I thought I don't want to 
give a man a fish. 

749
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:53,200
I don't even want to teach a man
to fish. 

750
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,000
I want to raise the capital to 
build the factories to make the 

751
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,700
rope, that makes the Nets that 
help people catch millions of 

752
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:00,200
fish. 
Right? 

753
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,200
I want to be way up in the 
structure production because I 

754
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,400
want maximum leverage. 
I've always been attracted at 

755
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,300
like, what's the maximum Roi? 
I only live on this Earth for so

756
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:09,700
long. 
What activities are going to 

757
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:12,700
have the greatest impact and so 
that the intellectuals and 

758
00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:15,600
social Come help me. 
Look at the world of ideas and 

759
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,600
say if I can focus on maybe what
Albert J. 

760
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,100
Knock would call The Remnant and
his masterful essay Isaiah's 

761
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:25,400
job. 
And those people who are 

762
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:31,200
disproportionately likely to be 
potential either in generating 

763
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,000
ideas or in being second-hand 
dealers of ideas. 

764
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:36,400
And those ideas will influence 
the broader public. 

765
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,500
I'd rather focus on them and go 
directly to the broader public 

766
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:43,500
and that's what led me to IHS. 
Have you read the the elephant 

767
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:48,200
in the brain by Robin Hanson? 
Yes, that's just so sad. 

768
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,500
I had them on my show and we 
talked about it, how it 

769
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:54,300
basically discusses the hidden 
motives in everyday life. 

770
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:57,500
Where as opposed to people 
acting rationally, what 

771
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,200
eventually, what they actually 
say is actually their conscious 

772
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,800
acting as a press secretary for 
their subconscious, which is 

773
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,100
giving us different motivations.
The pointed me mentioning that 

774
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:13,500
is, when you see, You know, what
politicians talking about things

775
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:15,900
that end up coming about. 
You say, well, then the 

776
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:18,900
politician is making that change
happen. 

777
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,700
Therefore. 
I must occupy politics in order 

778
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:24,700
to have said, change. 
When just, as you said, that is 

779
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,900
not exactly how it goes and 
Hayek, I think does a very good 

780
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:30,300
job, explaining it in that 
essay. 

781
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:34,100
But Robin Hanson decades later. 
Just comes and brings the 

782
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:38,400
numbers with regard to Art, 
charity consumption, religion, 

783
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,000
politics, and all these other 
fields. 

784
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,400
Verifies. 
What? 

785
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,500
I understood Hayek to be saying 
many years ago. 

786
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,300
Let's go to, I, okay. 
So let me let me jump on that 

787
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:51,300
real quick because I did, I 
loved, I loved Robin Hansen's 

788
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:53,500
book and I think I might have 
interviewed him about it as 

789
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:54,500
well. 
I can't remember. 

790
00:41:54,500 --> 00:42:00,300
But, um, That looks sort of is a
good example of where I said, 

791
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,300
Hayek, gave me the first half of
my understanding and that's, and

792
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:04,400
at one point. 
I was like, cool. 

793
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,600
That's how social change 
happens. 

794
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,900
Okay, you got to change beliefs.
And, and again, if you go back 

795
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:10,600
to like public Choice Theory, 
I'm very much influenced by the 

796
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,600
Overton window of political 
possibility, right? 

797
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,100
Like at the end of the day and 
and mises himself says this that

798
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:18,200
like, you know at the end of the
day, there's no ruler whether a 

799
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,100
dictator or 
democratically-elected, who can 

800
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:25,200
defy the beliefs of the public. 
Not public, doesn't get what 

801
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,600
they want. 
But they Yet? 

802
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,500
What they'll tolerate, right? 
They get something in between 

803
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:31,300
what they want and what they'll 
tolerate right? 

804
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:33,400
Like like really shitty 
politicians, will push it to the

805
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,400
max of what they'll tolerate, 
maybe, you know, any better 

806
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,900
environment. 
They're getting something closer

807
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:40,400
to what they want. 
Now, maybe what the public wants

808
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,100
sucks, too. 
But, um, but they'll get what 

809
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:44,200
they, tolerate the end of the 
day. 

810
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,300
The beliefs of the public are 
The Binding constraint and so 

811
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:49,200
I'm like, okay, great. 
And again, myth of the rule of 

812
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,700
law, all this stuff plays into 
that. 

813
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:52,500
It's not what's written down on 
Law at the end of the day. 

814
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:55,100
It's what politicians can get 
away with period. 

815
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:57,500
That's what they'll do and 
That's determined by what people

816
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:00,500
will. 
Let them get away with and so 

817
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:02,600
I'm like, great. 
So you gotta change their 

818
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,000
beliefs through this structure 
of dealing and ideas. 

819
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:09,300
And after several years of 
working in that I had this 

820
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:12,800
Epiphany and when Uber first 
came out, it really helped me. 

821
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,100
I wish I was like something is 
missing here. 

822
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:20,300
I feel in my gut like, I'm 
overvaluing My Own role in this 

823
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:24,500
and my own role was to sort of 
raise money for and create 

824
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:28,400
programs for sort of the future.
Jules who are going to help 

825
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,800
disseminate the ideas of 
Liberty. 

826
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:35,300
And I saw who Burr come out and 
all these people start using it 

827
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:37,900
and then cities start to try to 
ban it and then a bunch of 

828
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,300
people who don't give a shit 
about property rights or dead 

829
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:43,800
weight, economic losses or the 
morality of cartels were like 

830
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,600
don't take Uber away and they 
cities had a very hard time 

831
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,600
Banning it and in most cities 
that ended up sticking around 

832
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,300
and I thought there were Decades
of second-hand dealers and ideas

833
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:59,600
writing papers and talking about
deadweight, losses caused by 

834
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:01,900
taxi cartels. 
Talking about the Ality of 

835
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:04,400
making it illegal for some guy 
to start selling his taxi 

836
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,800
services. 
None of that made a dent in 

837
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,600
people's beliefs about those 
things. 

838
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,900
The minute they experienced an 
alternative their beliefs 

839
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,100
shifted. 
And that's when it clicked that 

840
00:44:17,100 --> 00:44:20,300
I had the top of the pyramid 
ideas flow down to shape 

841
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:24,600
beliefs, but experiences flow up
to shape beliefs. 

842
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:27,400
And I would argue that 
experiences shape beliefs 

843
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:32,000
probably like 80% of the time 
and ideas like, Most people's 

844
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:37,400
beliefs explicit or implicit are
formed in a subconscious way by 

845
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,600
the things they've experienced 
and they might come up with ADD 

846
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,300
hot like post-hoc arguments to 
justify them later. 

847
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,800
Very few beliefs are shaped by 
ideas where someone you read 

848
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,600
things and you consciously 
consider them and said, wow, 

849
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,200
this is a good argument. 
I will now change my belief like

850
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,300
most people's beliefs about God.
For example, are based on their 

851
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:01,300
experiences more than sitting 
down. 

852
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,800
Or whatever it is government. 
And so that Epiphany is what led

853
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,500
me to ultimately, leave the sort
of activist and education world 

854
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,000
to go be an entrepreneur and 
say, look, I don't want to argue

855
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,900
with people about government 
institutions that suck. 

856
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:16,800
What if I create one that's 
better? 

857
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,400
And I sell it to them and they 
don't need to believe any of my 

858
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,600
ideology. 
Once they've experienced it and 

859
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,300
say, wow. 
This is better, practice is 

860
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:26,900
better than College. 
Cool College isn't very 

861
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:28,200
necessary. 
And if College isn't very 

862
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,900
necessary, neither is high 
school. 

863
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,400
Public school is not dead. 
Important, right? 

864
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,900
Like if they taste Freedom, then
they will want more freedom, 

865
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:39,600
their beliefs will change. 
They will start to justify 

866
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,300
freedom in their belief system 
because they don't want it taken

867
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:45,300
away from them. 
Not because I got them to read 

868
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:47,500
Milton Friedman. 
And so, that was a big Epiphany 

869
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:49,300
that helped put the sort of 
final piece. 

870
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:51,400
Ideas are still very important, 
they play a part, but I think 

871
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,200
experience eight ways for people
to experience alternatives to 

872
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,500
the state. 
That's when they'll shift their 

873
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:01,300
belief and say like show them 
that it's possible. 

874
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,700
Right. 
Show them that. 

875
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:06,100
That here's a here's something 
that's preferable to you know, 

876
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:08,500
whatever shitty service, the 
state is trying to offer. 

877
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:11,200
So anyway, and an elephant in 
the brain, I think is a good 

878
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:15,100
example of how people will very 
quickly change their arguments 

879
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,600
to justify a belief that they 
want to hold because it benefits

880
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,800
them. 
It benefits me to use Uber. 

881
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,300
So now I used to argue that taxi
cartels were really important 

882
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:27,500
whatever because people paid for
those medallions, but now I 

883
00:46:27,508 --> 00:46:28,600
don't want you to take away 
Uber. 

884
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,800
So I'll quickly change my 
arguments and say, oh well, it's

885
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,600
really important. 
Contrite, like people will 

886
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,500
justify them. 
So you got to give them the 

887
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:38,500
experience that they want while 
we're on that topic. 

888
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:41,800
I just want you to introduce us 
to your company's. 

889
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,100
What is Praxis? 
Yes, so I started practice in 

890
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:47,100
2013 and it's a college 
alternative. 

891
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,300
It's a one year program. 
You do a six-month boot camp, 

892
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:53,700
which is all remote on, you 
know, basically just kicking 

893
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:56,600
your ass and helping you learn 
how to be a value Creator in the

894
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,700
market. 
And then a six-month 

895
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:00,800
apprenticeship at a high-growth 
startup where we place you. 

896
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,200
It's a paid apprenticeship. 
So what you pay in tuition you 

897
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,400
actually earn more than that 
during the course of the program

898
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,400
and then at the end of the year,
96% of our grads, get hired 

899
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,000
immediately after the program. 
This is not a technical 

900
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,500
bootcamp, not like a coding 
bootcamp. 

901
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:17,400
It's like non-technical kind of 
Hustler. 

902
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,900
People are getting placed in 
roles. 

903
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,700
Like Marketing sales, design 
operations, at startups. 

904
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:24,700
Most of them have no degree. 
They're doing instead of 

905
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:26,200
college. 
Some people do it after college.

906
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,300
But so I started that in 2013 
and kind of been been growing 

907
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:33,000
ever since and then I actually I
moved on is to launch my second 

908
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,700
company a couple years ago. 
And now it Cameron sores be as 

909
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:37,800
the CEO of Praxis. 
Now. 

910
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,800
I'm still on the board, but he's
cranking away taking the helm 

911
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,300
there and and crash very 
briefly. 

912
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:48,500
It's like we peeled off one very
small sliver of this very 

913
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:52,100
intense practice experience, 
which is just the process of 

914
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:55,700
winning jobs because we found we
were getting people who are like

915
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:59,100
17, 18 19 with no degree. 
They were getting hired in jobs 

916
00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:01,200
that said four-year degree and 
two to three. 

917
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,200
Of experience required the way. 
They were winning the interviews

918
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,500
and getting hired was by, not 
applying through the traditional

919
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:10,800
process, not sending in a 
resume, not clicking, apply and 

920
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,100
filling out a form. 
They would find the email of the

921
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:16,000
person, their email them 
directly a pitch. 

922
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,500
Say, here's what I'm going to do
for you. 

923
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,800
Here's what I'm all about. 
Here's what I love about your 

924
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,300
company here. 
I created something for you. 

925
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,700
I already made you a project. 
I saw an issue on your website 

926
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:27,200
and here's my version of fixing 
it. 

927
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,600
I would love an interview and 
those get like 80% response 

928
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,800
rate. 
And so Crash is just that it's 

929
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,900
helping people anyone on the 
job. 

930
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:41,200
Create video, pitches and pitch 
pitch employers, instead of 

931
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,900
going through the traditional 
application process. 

932
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:46,100
And so that's that's my 
full-time gig right now. 

933
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:48,700
And again, it's, you know, for 
me, it's all rooted in my 

934
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:53,000
philosophy of Liberty, like not 
being passive, not being like, 

935
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,900
well, I got my degree by 
following rules now, I'll just 

936
00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:58,200
follow the rules on the job hunt
and click submit. 

937
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,000
And then cross my fingers, and 
my fate is in the hands of some 

938
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,500
Our bought. 
It's going to scan my resume. 

939
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:06,200
Good luck to me, you know, like 
no. 

940
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,100
Take the, take the reins like 
you've got value now. 

941
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,400
Prove it, put together a 
compelling signal, go out there 

942
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,100
and turn the job hunt into an 
active process, where you're 

943
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,400
hunting down, people you're 
sending them stuff, that's 

944
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,800
valuable to them. 
You're demonstrating your value,

945
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,800
creation, ability. 
And that's just really 

946
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,800
empowering, right? 
If you start your career, 

947
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,800
feeling empowered that you went 
out and won that job that sets 

948
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,900
your life on a trajectory of 
personal empowerment and freedom

949
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:33,200
and responsibility. 
Possibility, versus I followed 

950
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,200
the rules. 
I did all this stuff and then 

951
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:38,100
like somebody gave me a job and 
I just kept following the rules 

952
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:40,000
and like, life just happens to 
me, right? 

953
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,800
So that's kind of, that's kind 
of where that all spring from. 

954
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,300
I love when you were wrong 
Tucker Carlson talking about 

955
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:49,200
your company crash. 
Because Harvard had just said, 

956
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:52,400
they're not cutting tuition and 
everything is going to be over 

957
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,800
Zoom for the next year. 
So you just went on there and 

958
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,200
you didn't, you know, take some,
you know, Community College what

959
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,200
you could have, you know easily 
pointed out the flaws. 

960
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,400
You went to Harvard University 
and went up against them. 

961
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,200
So great stuff you are doing now
with those organizations. 

962
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,300
I want to talk about a couple 
more essays and books. 

963
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:16,300
You when I spoke about what is 
the main message and thesis of 

964
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:19,800
the call of Christ to Freedom. 
By Stephen legate. 

965
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:24,100
This is a really obscure essay 
from the old magazine. 

966
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:28,400
It was called Liberty magazine 
and used to come in like a like,

967
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,200
like gray paper, not even 
glossy. 

968
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:34,100
Asean, paper like that gray, 
like really cheap stuff and a 

969
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:37,500
friend of mine. 
I was like 19 at the time had it

970
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:39,600
and he was an atheist. 
But he knew that I was a 

971
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,300
Christian and he was like and I 
was like, libertarian but like 

972
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,500
still wrapping my head around 
some stuff and still like like I

973
00:50:48,508 --> 00:50:50,900
was sort of dragged Kicking and 
Screaming to libertarian, is 

974
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:53,300
when I wasn't yet Anarchist and 
I was still trying to understand

975
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:55,000
some these arguments. 
He's like, oh you might like 

976
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,700
this essay now, I don't know 
nothing else about this guy. 

977
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,900
I've never been able to find 
anything else that he's done. 

978
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,700
It's very hard to come up. 
Find it. 

979
00:51:01,700 --> 00:51:04,900
I think I linked it on my 
website, but the essay is 

980
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:09,600
basically just laying out. 
Why, if you are a Christian and 

981
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:15,000
you take the example in Words of
Christ, seriously, you have no, 

982
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:19,600
you have no option other than I 
would say anarchism and I think 

983
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,300
Leo Tolstoy took this position 
and some other, but it's not, 

984
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:26,800
it's not very common. 
And essentially he's making the 

985
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:32,600
argument that Non-violence that 
if you use the initiation of 

986
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,300
violence to accomplish your 
ends, that's completely 

987
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:39,000
antithetical to everything that 
Christ stood for. 

988
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,400
And he uses the example in there
that I'll never forget, is a 

989
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,500
quote in there. 
He says, when the rich man came 

990
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:47,300
to Jesus and said, what should I
do to be saved? 

991
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:51,100
And Jesus said, give all your 
stuff away to the poor and the 

992
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:55,700
rich man walked away dejected. 
And then the story ends and 

993
00:51:55,700 --> 00:52:00,300
Stephen legate said, Jesus 
didn't send No, Peter and John 

994
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,700
after him and say go take your 
swords and threatened to throw 

995
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:06,400
him in prison. 
If he doesn't give his stuff to 

996
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,600
the poor. 
He didn't send the Romans. 

997
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,400
After him. 
He didn't try to enlist. 

998
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,900
He didn't he didn't enlist any 
use of force or law at all. 

999
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,800
And so the idea that we should 
mandate good behavior by force 

1000
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:24,400
of law or prohibit bad behavior,
by force of law is completely 

1001
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,100
antithetical to the message of 
Christ. 

1002
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:28,400
And that was really that really 
hit me at the time was very, it 

1003
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,300
was It was really important for 
me, not just for myself, but to 

1004
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:36,300
be able to help, explain my 
libertarian beliefs to people 

1005
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:39,100
who were coming from a very sort
of Conservative Christian 

1006
00:52:39,100 --> 00:52:42,900
background. 
Excellent, Isaiah's job by 

1007
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:45,900
Albert J. 
Knock thesis and lesson from 

1008
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:48,500
Isaiah's job. 
This is the one that keeps me 

1009
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:51,100
encouraged when I'm feeling 
totally beat down. 

1010
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,300
Albert J. 
Knock is referencing, the 

1011
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:59,400
prophet Isaiah in the Old 
Testament. 

1012
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,500
How he's out there and he just 
keeps peeking his message. 

1013
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:05,200
And speaking, as message and 
speaking as message, and he's 

1014
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,600
like getting angry and 
frustrated. 

1015
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,400
He's like nobody's listening, 
nobody's doing anything and 

1016
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:15,200
basically God tells him, there's
a Remnant. 

1017
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,900
There's a tiny. 
Remnant of people who are 

1018
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:21,600
listening, who are on the same 
wavelength as you, you probably 

1019
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,400
never know. 
They are, you probably never 

1020
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,100
meet him. 
Your message isn't for the 

1021
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:26,500
masses. 
It's for them. 

1022
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:32,100
And that hits me every time like
when you just feel like you're 

1023
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:35,100
beating your head against the 
wall and you're like, man, and I

1024
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:37,400
mean you can, you know, go on 
Twitter for five minutes and you

1025
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,300
start to feel like all the work 
you're doing with Libertarians 

1026
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:43,700
to all this stuff and you're 
like, God, even people who call 

1027
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:46,200
themselves Libertarians are out 
here calling for violence and 

1028
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,600
statism and a bunch of, you 
know, technocracy and whatever 

1029
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,700
and you can just start to feel 
like what's the point? 

1030
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,500
What's the point of all this? 
This and the message in that 

1031
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:56,500
essay is, it's not for the 
masses there. 

1032
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:59,100
Someone out there. 
There's a hidden audience. 

1033
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:02,400
You'll probably never meet them,
but they're listening. 

1034
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:04,200
It's exactly what they needed to
hear. 

1035
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,200
And this was really bolstered. 
When I heard For the First Time,

1036
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,300
The Story by Larry read, and, I 
know you've interviewed him, 

1037
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:14,000
Larry Reid, who used to be the 
president of a fee. 

1038
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:17,900
He went to communist Poland when
it was still under communism. 

1039
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:20,900
He smuggled in free market 
books, and he did crazy stuff 

1040
00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:23,200
back in the day. 
For the Berlin Wall fell. 

1041
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,900
And he was, he was they're 
smuggling in books and helping 

1042
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:27,400
this. 
There was a whole underground of

1043
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,900
people who were, you know, 
resisting communism and this 

1044
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:32,600
sort of this underground. 
And he said, this, this couple, 

1045
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,900
he was with they'd both been 
thrown in prison several times 

1046
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:37,800
and just been out again. 
They had this underground radio 

1047
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,400
broadcast that they would do 
every night and they had no 

1048
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,200
idea. 
He's like, well, you just do it 

1049
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,600
every night. 
Do you know if people are 

1050
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,000
listening? 
They're like idea, you know, do 

1051
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,000
you know how many people are 
out? 

1052
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,300
There are part of the 
resistance. 

1053
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:53,600
We don't know because it's too 
dangerous to like meet in large 

1054
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,900
groups or whatever. 
So like we don't really know. 

1055
00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:58,600
We just keep doing it and he 
said one night and went on the 

1056
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:03,600
radio and they said if you're 
listening to this and you value 

1057
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,900
Freedom blink, your lights and 
they looked out the window and 

1058
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,600
all of Warsaw was blinking and 
it was only like a year later 

1059
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:17,400
when the Communist dictator 
literally just walked away. 

1060
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,500
He just said you people are 
ungovernable and he left and it 

1061
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:24,900
was just Like peacefully at felt
because the underground became 

1062
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:27,700
bigger than the above ground. 
And I think that's an incredible

1063
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:29,600
story of someone who just kept 
doing it. 

1064
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,100
Kept spreading their message of 
Freedom, not knowing if there 

1065
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:35,800
was anyone listening and they 
actually did get a chance to see

1066
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,500
that the remnant at that point 
was actually really huge but 

1067
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:43,000
like that Isaiah's job is just 
so inspirational for me to know 

1068
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,500
that even when I don't know 
who's out there, even when I 

1069
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:49,700
post some something in a million
people attack it, there's 

1070
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:51,800
someone there. 
Someone out there. 

1071
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,400
That that message is for and 
that's who matters more than 

1072
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,300
sort of winning popularity 
contests. 

1073
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,600
What is the thesis and Main 
lesson from on doing something 

1074
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,800
about it by Frank shoulder of 
man? 

1075
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,400
That's the one that like finally
was the nail in the coffin. 

1076
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,300
For me of any kind of political 
activism as a means to changing 

1077
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:15,800
changing the world. 
The I had already started to toy

1078
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,000
with this hierarchy and idea 
that politics is a last is a 

1079
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,900
last is a lagging indicator of 
changes that have already 

1080
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:25,000
happened in the realm of beliefs
in a realm of Shifting, the 

1081
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,900
Overton window and all those 
things Sheriff says. 

1082
00:56:28,300 --> 00:56:32,900
Is basically like, look, if you 
play the politicians game, you 

1083
00:56:32,900 --> 00:56:36,300
always empower the politicians. 
You make them more important. 

1084
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:40,500
If you show up even to protest 
them, your get your basically 

1085
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:43,800
assenting to the game that 
they're trying to play. 

1086
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:46,000
Ignore them. 
What if they rented a hall to 

1087
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,700
give a speech? 
And no one showed up, no power, 

1088
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:51,500
100% rests in the attention. 
You give them. 

1089
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:54,400
That's kind of the theme of that
short essay. 

1090
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,600
And I think it's really 
powerful. 

1091
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,300
I always like to use the analogy
like You know politics is like a

1092
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:04,000
big nasty casino. 
And if you say to me, I hate 

1093
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,700
that casino. 
It's evil and corrupt. 

1094
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:07,200
I'm going to put it out of 
business. 

1095
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:10,000
I say how you say I'm going to 
go there and play Blackjack 

1096
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,800
every day until I win all their 
money. 

1097
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,700
That's what that's what trying 
to do. 

1098
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:16,400
Political activism is to in 
terms of trying to bring down 

1099
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:16,900
the state. 
Now. 

1100
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:20,700
There are there are ways in 
which you can use the podium of 

1101
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:24,500
politics to get a message across
because politicians get a lot of

1102
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:26,400
attention from the media and 
whatever, right? 

1103
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,000
Like, I'm not saying that 
there's No way that you can, 

1104
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:32,100
like, I think Ron Paul is a good
example of this like he was 

1105
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:35,500
never gonna win presidency or 
anything like that and his 

1106
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:38,200
policies didn't really get past 
as a congress person, but 

1107
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,000
because the role of politician 
in our society is also the role 

1108
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,300
of celebrity Ron Paul as a 
celebrity spread the message of 

1109
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:49,600
Liberty in a lot of ways, right,
but not Ron Paul as a political 

1110
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,500
activist trying to, you know, if
he wanted to be good at 

1111
00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:55,100
Politics. 
The only way to do that is to be

1112
00:57:55,100 --> 00:58:00,000
bad at being principled, right? 
So the fact that he was bad at 

1113
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,100
politics is why he was able to 
have a message. 

1114
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:04,800
So anyway, that on doing 
something about it is just like 

1115
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,400
I would say it's an argument for
political atheism. 

1116
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:12,000
Excellent. 
And finally, what is the thesis 

1117
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,500
of and Main lesson of how I 
found freedom in an unfree World

1118
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:18,400
by Harry Brown? 
Oh baby. 

1119
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,300
Such a good book. 
It's out of print. 

1120
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,200
So if you want to buy it, it's 
like super expensive. 

1121
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,800
You got to buy it used on eBay 
or Amazon sometimes. 

1122
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,500
This is an incredible book. 
It really, I would say it set 

1123
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:33,100
the stage for all the books that
I've written. 

1124
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:36,000
And even the companies that I've
built since then, because Harry 

1125
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,700
Brown, says look. you value 
Freedom, if you're libertarian 

1126
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:48,100
and But you're not living free 
and I found myself in this 

1127
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:49,700
position when I came across the 
book. 

1128
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:51,000
I was very much in this 
position. 

1129
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,500
I valued freedom, but every day 
I was a slave to the things that

1130
00:58:56,500 --> 00:58:59,300
I would see on the news because 
they had the power to dictate my

1131
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:01,700
mood. 
I followed politics and 

1132
00:59:01,700 --> 00:59:04,000
political news and I would get 
into debates with people on 

1133
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:09,600
forums and the the stupid stuff 
that they decided to cover and 

1134
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,700
the stupid opinions. 
They decided to spout was like 

1135
00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:15,300
enslaving me. 
It had the power to dictate my 

1136
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:18,200
moods and I was not living and I
was angry. 

1137
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,300
I was frustrated. 
That's not the, that's not the 

1138
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:22,000
attitude, you have, when you 
feel free, right? 

1139
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,600
And I thought, man, I'm not 
living free on the individual 

1140
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,800
level, right in, any time. 
You find yourself feeling like a

1141
00:59:27,808 --> 00:59:31,200
victim. 
Oh like my boss did this to me. 

1142
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,000
I'm so trapped in this or I'm 
trapped in my, you know this 

1143
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,700
relationship or whatever you 
feel like a victim, you feel 

1144
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:40,900
angry. 
Like those are not the signs of 

1145
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:43,300
someone who's living free and 
Harry Brown's book is like, this

1146
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:46,500
is how you bring freedom into 
your own life as an individual. 

1147
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:52,400
And in to put it, in other words
of, of Leonard, read the founder

1148
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:58,800
of fee, like Being a light, 
letting your freedom be a light 

1149
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,700
is the most is the best way to 
attract other people's to it. 

1150
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,800
It's like Live Free Yourself. 
Yeah. 

1151
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,500
Camus has this quote let you 
know live so free that your very

1152
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:09,100
existence is an act of 
rebellion. 

1153
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,600
Yeah, and I and that Harry Brown
book like whoa, this is how he 

1154
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,200
brings it down, like really 
practically like, okay, how to 

1155
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,100
be free in relationships, how to
be free with your personal 

1156
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:21,700
finances, how to be free, with 
whatever, and it just like 

1157
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,300
translating this concept of 
freedom and saying, look, what 

1158
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:27,100
does it matter? 
If I'm trying to make the world 

1159
01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:30,400
free when I'm living like it, 
like I'm in shackles in myself 

1160
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,100
if I'm a slave to guilt or shame
or doubt or the opinions of 

1161
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:35,500
others or any of those other 
things. 

1162
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:38,500
And so that like myself 
emancipation realizing that it 

1163
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:41,900
starts with me. 
If I can't even be free myself, 

1164
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:44,600
how can I expect to help help 
the world be more free? 

1165
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:48,000
Really, really powerful book in 
that regard? 

1166
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:53,700
Excellent point on the media 
using repetition as a way of 

1167
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:56,800
controlling the narrative and 
thus, Rolling the mind of the 

1168
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,200
populace. 
I had a Former Intelligence 

1169
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,600
officer Chase, use on the show 
not too long ago. 

1170
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:05,500
And he said, if I could describe
mind control in one word, it 

1171
01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:08,600
would be repetition. 
So every time we turn on the 

1172
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,900
news cases are up. 
There was a shooting this, this 

1173
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:17,600
terrible war zone happened and 
you know, the u.s. 

1174
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,700
Is looking into it. 
It's like well there were 

1175
01:01:19,700 --> 01:01:22,900
supposed to go to war with North
Korea who was supposed to invade

1176
01:01:22,900 --> 01:01:25,000
Guam. 
The ozone layer is supposed to 

1177
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:30,200
be melted. 
Saddam I guessed or know. 

1178
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:35,200
Assad was gassing the Kurds 
Putin hacked, our democracy, and

1179
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:39,600
had a puppet president. 
So like why would I have wasted 

1180
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,000
all that time worrying about 
something that didn't even come 

1181
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,600
to fruition it b equal. 
I don't even respect well and 

1182
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,500
that's where like, you know, I 
have a lot of respect for, you 

1183
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:51,600
know, some of the work that like
you guys are doing and we're 

1184
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,900
talking earlier about like Scott
Horton, doing a lot of stuff on 

1185
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:57,800
the internet because that's It 
takes like another level to be 

1186
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,900
able to immerse yourself in like
keeping up on the news of a 

1187
01:02:01,908 --> 01:02:04,500
particular area without letting 
it take away your freedom, 

1188
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:05,600
without letting make you go 
crazy. 

1189
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,500
So what after I read Harry 
Brown's book about 15 years ago,

1190
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:12,700
I stopped watching the news and 
stop following it all together. 

1191
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:15,000
I haven't read a newspaper. 
I mean, I don't know newspapers 

1192
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,400
even exist, but back then, they 
did, right? 

1193
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,200
I stopped all my subscriptions 
to newspapers and I haven't 

1194
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,000
followed the new sense. 
Now, in the age of Twitter, I 

1195
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,000
end up seeing more and more news
items come across my Twitter 

1196
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,600
feed. 
Because People are talking about

1197
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,600
them than I used to, but that 
just utterly Set Me Free. 

1198
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,000
And I used to think why I need 
to be up on things. 

1199
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:35,400
I need to understand what's 
going on because I'm especially 

1200
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:36,900
if I'm trying to spread the 
ideas of Liberty. 

1201
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:39,200
I didn't lose a thing by not 
knowing. 

1202
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,200
In fact, if anything it gave me 
so much Freedom, when people 

1203
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,700
would be like, oh, so you're 
like libertarian. 

1204
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,900
Well, then you probably think 
what, you know, Mitch McConnell 

1205
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:51,500
did is like some blah blah blah,
and I'd be like, I don't even 

1206
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:53,700
know who Mitch McConnell is, I 
don't care about any of that and

1207
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:55,600
I got a smile on my face and 
then they're baffled. 

1208
01:02:55,700 --> 01:03:00,900
And they're like, well, you're 
so like free your like free from

1209
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:02,700
stress and worry and you don't 
even care about pot. 

1210
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:04,000
Like I don't get it. 
I'm confused. 

1211
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,100
Then they want to learn more, 
they want to learn more because 

1212
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:08,500
you don't you don't even know 
what these debates are. 

1213
01:03:08,500 --> 01:03:11,000
Let alone take a side in them. 
And so that was that was very 

1214
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,900
freeing. 
But but I think getting to the 

1215
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:18,800
the like Master Level of freedom
is when you can when you can be 

1216
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,600
in the airport when CNN's 
playing and it no longer makes 

1217
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,300
your blood boil boil like and 
I'm like, Sort of that than I 

1218
01:03:26,300 --> 01:03:28,700
used to be. 
I can I can see and take in more

1219
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:32,300
news and just laugh at the 
absurdity of it or even find the

1220
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:35,100
silver lining or the Hope or 
have some righteous indignation 

1221
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,200
without letting it ruin my day. 
But if I immersed myself in it 

1222
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,900
all the time, I think it would 
just it would just destroy me 

1223
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:43,000
again. 
So it's a dangerous game. 

1224
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,100
I say if you're mad about stuff 
and, you know, turn off the 

1225
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:48,200
frickin news don't ever. 
Like, I mean, I don't think 

1226
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,100
people are watching TV these 
days but block freakin block it 

1227
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:55,300
from Twitter, like, worked work 
so that you never see a single. 

1228
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,500
Petitions face or hear what they
say or hear anyone report, about

1229
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:02,200
what they say. 
Try that for a year and tell me 

1230
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,800
everything about your life, 
didn't get better. 

1231
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:06,100
Yeah. 
I've tried that a couple times 

1232
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:09,100
where I've just not been in the 
mood and I've wanted to sort of 

1233
01:04:09,107 --> 01:04:11,400
throw an argument from 
intimidation at people. 

1234
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,500
Nobody like so. 
Well what, you know, what do you

1235
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:16,700
think about John Boehner, and 
Mitch McConnell doing that and I

1236
01:04:16,707 --> 01:04:20,900
go, I'm actually not part of the
religion of statism. 

1237
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:24,300
So I don't focus on what the 
high Priests of that religion, 

1238
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,500
discussed. 
And they don't even know how to 

1239
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:30,200
respond to that. 
And it's just the belief that 

1240
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:33,400
this group writing words on 
paper, puts a positive 

1241
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,800
obligation on, 330 million 
strangers on what they have to 

1242
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,800
fund, and what they have to do. 
And they're like, they're like 

1243
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,800
waiting for me to say what MSNBC
was saying or what Fox was 

1244
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,800
saying and it totally disarms 
them. 

1245
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,600
And, you know, sort of plants 
the seed, when I think of, you 

1246
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,400
know, people being under free in
their mind, so it's not just 

1247
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,500
well, no one was initiating 
violence against Harry Brown on.

1248
01:04:55,600 --> 01:05:00,200
On September 12 2001, but he was
so intellectually free that he 

1249
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,600
wrote a book. 
Oh gosh. 

1250
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,600
I can't even remember the 
article the day after 9/11. 

1251
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:06,600
He wrote. 
What did you expect? 

1252
01:05:06,900 --> 01:05:09,300
He goes? 
Well, the media of course covers

1253
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:13,400
up the crimes of the state while
focusing on the petty crime, 

1254
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,000
creating, you know, a fake enemy
at home. 

1255
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,600
And, you know, we've invaded 
countries, like Libya. 

1256
01:05:19,700 --> 01:05:22,000
There's been a blockade on a 
rack for a decade. 

1257
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:25,500
Bill Clinton was bombing them at
an average of two to three. 

1258
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:28,400
Times a week for 10 people 
today. 

1259
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,400
Don't realize the balls you had 
to have to write that article on

1260
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,400
September 12. 
Oh my God, everybody and I 

1261
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:39,500
remember everybody was bush. 
Bush had a 91 percent approval 

1262
01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:43,900
rating or something, literally 
like 90%, which is so typical of

1263
01:05:43,908 --> 01:05:46,100
the state to fail at their most 
basic thing. 

1264
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:51,100
And then get like the best. 
It's like right after Kim 

1265
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:54,800
Kardashian gets robbed in Paris.
I have the best security ever. 

1266
01:05:55,600 --> 01:06:01,800
I mean it was like the the 
palpable energy and I was like 

1267
01:06:01,900 --> 01:06:05,200
coming away from conservatism 
and like early on libertarianism

1268
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,800
at that point. 
But even me the minute that 

1269
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,500
happened, I had this thing rise 
up in me, like I wanted blood, I

1270
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:15,300
wanted Vengeance. 
I was, I was in a mirror, all 

1271
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:18,300
these collectivist ideas, all 
they like dangerous, dangerous 

1272
01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:19,800
stuff. 
Now, there's a part of like any 

1273
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,500
tragedy where you have 
solidarity with Humanity. 

1274
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:27,200
It's mixed with a good impulse, 
but this other Vindictive 

1275
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:31,400
patriotic military can do no 
wrong like that shit, just 

1276
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:32,800
snuck. 
I mean, it was everywhere. 

1277
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,000
So, Harry Brown, definitely he 
practiced, he lived it. 

1278
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,200
Man. 
He was not afraid. 

1279
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,400
Check the description below for 
Isaac more house.com. 

1280
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:42,600
Isaac. 
Thank you for coming on and 

1281
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,300
thanks to everyone for watching.
Keith Knight. 

1282
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:46,800
Don't tread on anyone in the 
libertarian Institute. 

1283
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:48,100
Thanks so much, man.