1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,200 After duck, tacos decision to quote down rank. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,400 Russian disinformation. I was interviewed by slate.com 3 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:14,500 to get a general idea of why someone would be skeptical of 4 00:00:14,500 --> 00:00:18,500 such a decision. So the first thing I did was I 5 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:22,500 listed a number of examples where people thought they had 6 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:26,000 the truth about something and it turned out to be incorrect. 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Now, it's not impressive to go back hundreds of years or to 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,400 even state. Today that very few people 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,500 believed. It's important to say something 10 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:36,500 recent that a lot of people believed to be accurate, but 11 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:40,700 turned out to be misinformation. This is the sort of humility 12 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:42,900 training that a lot of people need before. 13 00:00:42,900 --> 00:00:45,800 They think they could confidently in this David Cross 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,300 Way. Just say I know what the truth 15 00:00:47,300 --> 00:00:49,200 is. I don't need any process. 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,800 I don't need a scientific method. 17 00:00:50,900 --> 00:00:54,000 I don't need certain incentives or profit and loss. 18 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:57,700 I basically can just hear it and know what it is immediately. 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,400 Here are some mainstream. You examples CNN on October 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:09,700 21st. 2020 says, feds say, Russia and Iran have interfered 21 00:01:09,700 --> 00:01:13,600 with the presidential election. This was a project by for 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,200 journalists. You can see on the screen here, 23 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:20,300 herb Cohen, Perez and Murphy. So they had four people on this 24 00:01:20,300 --> 00:01:24,600 story in October of 2020. Now, where is the second molar 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,600 investigation, Russia again, interfere to with our sacred 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,200 democracy? Also, you cannot question the 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,400 election results, even though it was interfered with again. 28 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,400 Allegedly by Russia to question. The results of this election 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,300 makes you basically a terrorist Nazi Politico, even said, Hunter 30 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:47,800 Biden. Story is Russian disinfo, dozens 31 00:01:47,900 --> 00:01:50,100 of former Intel officials say so dozens. 32 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:54,000 Not one, not two. Not even a dozen dozens more 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,200 than 50. Former intelligence officials 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,700 signed a letter casting doubt on. 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,800 president son. If you remember Donald Trump 37 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,100 Juniors story about a meeting with someone from Russia was 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,100 absolutely given wall-to-wall coverage. 39 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,700 So one thing is said about Hunter Biden and possible. 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,100 Favoritism or corruption by Joe Biden. 41 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:28,800 And all of a sudden, the Intel Community is is up in arms. 42 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:31,500 Well, it turned out that all of this was fake. 43 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:34,300 Notice. They call it Russian disinfo not 44 00:02:34,300 --> 00:02:37,300 information promoted conveniently by the Russian 45 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:39,300 government. They said it's disinformation. 46 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:41,400 That's not really Hunter Biden's laptop. 47 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:44,100 Of course. This was totally fake. 48 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,900 This was Russia gate 2.0. Let's go back to Russia, gate 49 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:52,700 1.0 Hillary Clinton said in the Third presidential debate, it 50 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:56,100 roughly like 80 million people. Saw this happen. 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,900 She said that we have 17 intelligence agencies who say 52 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:08,500 that Russia took my emails and gave them to WikiLeaks that 53 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:11,200 there has been Russian interference in this election on 54 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,100 behalf of Donald Trump. Now forget the fact that the 55 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:17,800 Kingdom of Saudi Arabia donated between 10 and 25 million 56 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,800 dollars to the Clinton Foundation, according to the In 57 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,300 Foundation website, as Heroes like Glenn Greenwald have 58 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,000 pointed out but apparently it's really bad now. 59 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,400 Yes, Trump did a lot of business in Russia. 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,400 He even did more business in Bangladesh where his ties were 61 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:41,700 made and a lot of other Trump. Products. 62 00:03:41,700 --> 00:03:45,800 But you know, Bangladeshi interference is not as sexy as 63 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,700 Putin interference. So after she had said that in 64 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:55,300 2016 and the LIE circulated and Sam Harris, thought he was so 65 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:58,000 clever bringing it up to Scott Adams, 17. 66 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,800 How could all 17 be wrong? These are the experts we have to 67 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,300 listen to The Experts. There was a correction by the 68 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:11,700 New York Times, June 29th. 19. A White House. 69 00:04:11,700 --> 00:04:14,500 Memo article on Monday, about President Trump's deflections 70 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:17,899 and denials about Russia, referred incorrectly to the 71 00:04:17,907 --> 00:04:20,200 source of an intelligence assessment. 72 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,500 That said, Russia orchestrated hacking attacks. 73 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,200 During last year's presidential election. 74 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,500 The assessment was made by for intelligence agencies, the dni, 75 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:34,900 the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA. The assessment was not approved 76 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:39,100 by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community. 77 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,700 So They totally fake consensus. They said, you know what? 78 00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:47,200 It wasn't 17. It was only for and it's the for 79 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:52,200 that have probably the worst reputation that any any 80 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:58,600 organization in America has continuing with widely spread 81 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,700 stories by people, in high positions of power that are 82 00:05:01,700 --> 00:05:05,100 widely, accepted by the population, March 8th. 83 00:05:05,300 --> 00:05:09,300 Tony fauci, head of the NIH. National Institute for health 84 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:12,800 went on 60 minutes and said there's no reason to be walking 85 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,300 around with a mask and continuously said that masks 86 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:18,400 will not do anything to stop people. 87 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,800 From getting covid-19. Now is this disinformation? 88 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,500 Apparently, they think masks are literally the difference between 89 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:29,300 life and death and they're so vital to wear. 90 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:33,500 So this guy kind of told people to go out and more or less kill 91 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:35,100 themselves. Isn't this terrible 92 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:38,200 disinformation? Isn't this worse than I don't 93 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,200 know anything. Alex Jones has done according. 94 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:43,200 Their worldview. How about the World Health? 95 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:49,200 Organization says not to use masks to prevent the spread but 96 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,700 frequent. Hand-washing not wearing a face. 97 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:55,200 Mask is the most important step. The public can take to prevent 98 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,100 the spread of the coronavirus, the World Health Organization 99 00:05:58,100 --> 00:06:01,800 said, Thursday according to ABC News on February 28th. 100 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,700 So look at this isn't this disinformation isn't this 101 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:09,200 terrible and evil and why did they stop telling us to watch 102 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,500 the hands? It went from totally vital to 103 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:15,900 non-existent sort of like the Kurds in Syria. 104 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,200 Oh, the Kurds are the most vitally important thing. 105 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,700 We have to go after Assad and you haven't heard of him since 106 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,900 also the US Surgeon General. So these are the top people. 107 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,300 This isn't we once heard a tea party member say something 108 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:32,900 irrational about Medicare. These are like the most powerful 109 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:37,700 people in the country. US Surgeon General says 110 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:42,300 seriously people stop buying masks all capital letters. 111 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:45,900 This is on February 29th. They are not effective in 112 00:06:45,900 --> 00:06:49,900 preventing general, public from Catching coronavirus. 113 00:06:49,900 --> 00:06:52,800 But if Health Care Providers can't get them to care for psych 114 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,500 patients, it puts them and our communities at risk. 115 00:06:56,500 --> 00:07:01,600 So other ones that I mentioned, New York Times said, Putin put 116 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,000 bounties on American soldiers, in Afghanistan, Wolf Blitzer. 117 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:10,400 I said, Gaddafi gave his troops Viagra as a tool for Mass rape. 118 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,900 That was on CNN, yellowcake, uranium going from Nigeria to 119 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:20,200 Iraq, was promoted by the sitting, president at a State of 120 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,900 the Union Address. So they focus on all these 121 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:27,400 trivial accounts of oh, Alex Jones said something, 122 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,000 potentially misleading. Yep, and then totally ignore the 123 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,300 most powerful people in the country that actually do harm. 124 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:41,700 And then one of the biggest ones is that the Branch Davidians in 125 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:46,200 their Church in Waco, Texas defended themselves on. 126 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:48,600 What was it? February 28th. 127 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,800 They defended themselves with guns, refused to succumb to the 128 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:59,100 FBI for 51 days. But then the moment, the FBI 129 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,300 entered the church and started spraying CS gas banned by the 130 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:07,400 Geneva Convention. And Went in with tanks and guns. 131 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:12,100 They simultaneously all decided to commit suicide at that 132 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:14,400 moment. Wouldn't they have continued to 133 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,900 resist? Why not continue to live on the 134 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:20,700 people defending their lives for 51 days? 135 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:25,700 All just committed suicide as opposed to. 136 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,100 It couldn't have been the people threatening their lives pointing 137 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:32,299 guns at them and driving a tank spring CS gas. 138 00:08:32,299 --> 00:08:34,299 No. No, it was probably the people 139 00:08:34,299 --> 00:08:37,700 defending themselves for D1 days, who just all up 140 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:40,900 simultaneously, killed themselves, absolute nonsense, 141 00:08:40,900 --> 00:08:43,600 but these are Big lies that people believe. 142 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,000 So the concept of disinformation is not easily spotted. 143 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,400 So what you're down raking, you have no clue. 144 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,000 If it's accurate or inaccurate after that. 145 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,800 My main points in my conversation with the journalist 146 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:02,800 from slate.com, involved my case for large-scale media 147 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,900 skepticism. So the first thing Was the great 148 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:09,500 Thomas Soul quote, the most basic question is not, what is 149 00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:12,000 best? But who shall decide what is 150 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,000 best? So even if we take something 151 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:18,400 like education, we want people to be educated. 152 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:22,800 Let's assume that that is a Justified goal that is not 153 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,500 enough to tell us who should be making the decision. 154 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:29,700 If it's someone who faces competition, who knows, he might 155 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,500 lose customers. If he doesn't provide a good 156 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:34,900 product or service, that's going to be a lot. 157 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,200 The decisions that person makes is going to be a hell of a lot 158 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,700 different than if he has a legally recognized Monopoly and 159 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:45,600 gets money, whether or not, he provides a good product or 160 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,200 service. So the same thing goes with 161 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,200 disinformation. Yes, we want, accurate 162 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:57,000 information, but who is going to decide, and my main point with 163 00:09:57,300 --> 00:10:00,600 starting out by listing, all of those fake news stories, that 164 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,400 the mainstream press reported on for years on end, without An 165 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:10,800 apology and seldom with retraction is that they are just 166 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,900 as bias as the Alex Jones is of the world. 167 00:10:15,900 --> 00:10:19,800 Even if you take something ridiculous like white supremacy, 168 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,900 something that a microscopic amount of Americans believe in. 169 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:27,800 But it constantly is making the headlines, the average member of 170 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,600 the corporate press Advocates, government Supremacy, which is 171 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,100 the concept that government officials have the right to make 172 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:38,800 edicts and you have a moral obligation to blindly obey them. 173 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:41,900 And that is equally as ridiculous and historically, far 174 00:10:41,900 --> 00:10:45,400 more deadly. So even then pointing to the 175 00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:48,300 It's ridiculous. Whether it's the fake Patriot 176 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:51,600 front or even, you know, they go to Charlottesville and they see 177 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,900 a couple klansman there, who have no institutional power. 178 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,600 But either way, they see some of them. 179 00:10:56,900 --> 00:11:00,800 The person working for CNN, holding the camera has an 180 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,100 ideology that is just as deadly and immoral as the person they 181 00:11:05,100 --> 00:11:07,800 think they're so high and mighty against, we see it all the time 182 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,900 with you know, I can't believe Putin would kill civilians as 183 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:14,700 they justify the actions of the US government who was killed far 184 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:17,500 more people. And so that's important. 185 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:20,800 Also, there is no such thing as unbiased news. 186 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:26,100 I you continue to push this point that any time you select 187 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:30,600 to report on one thing you are choosing not to report on 188 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,100 something else so I could be totally honestly reporting on 189 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:37,000 Abu ghraib and it's the only thing I ever talk about. 190 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:42,000 Well, that's not they perfect or it's a not even a generally good 191 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,900 image of what the military does but if that's all I focus on, If 192 00:11:45,900 --> 00:11:49,200 the only thing I ever say about the Catholic church, is that 193 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,900 there are a number of pedophiles among the priesthood. 194 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:57,700 Well, that's not me lying. The even if I tell the whole 195 00:11:57,700 --> 00:12:01,900 truth about it, it's not lying if I only focus on that. 196 00:12:01,900 --> 00:12:05,900 But what I'm doing is I'm giving the consumer, a distorted view 197 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:09,800 of reality, or they only talked to big government. 198 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,700 Believers both in the Democrat and Republican party or the 199 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,800 Woman on CNN will be totally shocked and amazed that Thomas 200 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,700 Massie. Would question, whether or not 201 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:26,900 the gas attack in Syria was really done by the Assad 202 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,900 government. That is. 203 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:33,000 They're working bias. So because you choose to report 204 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,500 on some things and not others, and choose a different intensity 205 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,500 with which to investigate. Those is a bias in and of 206 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:44,400 itself. Yo, went on to say I got this 207 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,300 from a doctor Michael. In his book, knowledge, reality 208 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:50,700 and value. That the news in general is 209 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,800 absolute nonsense, everything almost falls into sensationalism 210 00:12:55,100 --> 00:12:58,100 them, trying to tug at your heartstrings and make something 211 00:12:58,900 --> 00:13:02,300 out to be a bigger deal than it really is ideological 212 00:13:02,300 --> 00:13:05,600 propaganda, which is when they cherry pick some things at the 213 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,500 expense of others or laziness people in the fields of 214 00:13:09,500 --> 00:13:13,800 Economics or philosophy or finance will report on it, but 215 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,500 don't really have a good understanding. 216 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,900 Ending of of the subject. Then I went into the title of 217 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:21,400 something. Doesn't make it a reality. 218 00:13:21,500 --> 00:13:25,900 So duck tacos, operation. Anti-russian disinfo down. 219 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:29,400 Ranking does not mean they will necessarily down ranked Russian 220 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,300 disinfo. Just as the Patriot Act is not 221 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:36,800 necessarily patriotic just as election Integrity reform bills 222 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,700 don't necessarily increase the amount of Integrity in elections 223 00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:48,000 the pro-education Necessarily mean, you're going to help 224 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,900 people operation. Iraqi Freedom doesn't mean 225 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:54,400 you're increasing the amount of freedom in Iraq. 226 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,000 So, just calling something. A name does not actually give 227 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,700 you the intended goal. The alleged goal that the that 228 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:05,700 you want. I'm constantly asked. 229 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,100 Well, why would we listen to Putin? 230 00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:10,400 Why would you listen to a song and Bin Laden? 231 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:14,200 Would you listen to a rapist or a serial killer? 232 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:17,400 The answer is absolutely absolutely gets up in America. 233 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,800 There was a serial killer Ted Bundy who famously defended 234 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,300 himself, as opposed to having a lawyer and this is still vitally 235 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:28,900 important. There were Nuremberg trials for 236 00:14:28,900 --> 00:14:31,800 the National Socialist regime in Germany. 237 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,200 It's referred to as taking the stand or giving your testimony. 238 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:40,200 It's always important to get both sides just so and that's 239 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,300 not to victim blame. Its to make sure you find out 240 00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:47,600 who the victim really is. And, and then, finally, on the 241 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,100 RT Point Russia. Today, you know, being taken off 242 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:52,500 YouTube. Look, I want to see what they're 243 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:54,400 talking about. If you go to YouTube right now 244 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,200 and research. I'm sorry for the very boring, 245 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,000 very predictable example, but it's just one that everyone 246 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:06,200 knows if you research Nazi propaganda, you'll get a lot of 247 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,700 results. So we could even assume that 248 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:12,300 it's Russian propaganda that RT is giving it's still important 249 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:14,200 to study. It's still important to 250 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,800 research. Just As YouTube realizes, it's 251 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,000 vitally important to research what the national socialist 252 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,500 government used. As far as propaganda methods. 253 00:15:25,900 --> 00:15:29,500 I want to finish by going over the contents of the article 254 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:33,800 published by Aaron mock slate.com., The journalist was 255 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,300 very respectful. I thought he was a gentleman 256 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:39,400 throughout this and I thought, overall, this is a pretty fair 257 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,700 in his reporting here. The title is the DuckDuckGo 258 00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:47,400 users furious at its response to the war in Ukraine. 259 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,000 Now, realize when people are talking about the war in 260 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,000 Ukraine, they're usually talking about Russia going into Ukraine 261 00:15:55,300 --> 00:16:00,500 in February of the Year. 2022 almost never does it start with 262 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,900 another war in Ukraine. Starting in 2014 known as the 263 00:16:04,900 --> 00:16:07,900 donbas war between Russian separatists. 264 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:10,800 Who wanted their democratically elected? 265 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:15,000 President Viktor Yanukovych to serve out his term while people 266 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,000 that are part of the u.s. Regime, John McCain, Victoria 267 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,500 nuland. Amy Klobuchar went over there to 268 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:25,400 incite a revolution of dignity to overthrow. 269 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,600 So that government. So get realized even in the 270 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,100 title war in Ukraine. We can't come up with an 271 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:36,400 objective starting point or even objective reference as to what 272 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,600 that is. So that should just go to tell 273 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:43,100 you how difficult it is to find truth and objectivity in things 274 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:46,900 like this. So this is sort of the middle of 275 00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:50,400 the article. Aaron mock says Keith Knight a 276 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,600 contributor to the nonprofit libertarian Institute started 277 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,800 using DuckDuckGo. About five years ago, quote when 278 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,500 YouTube /, Google started removing people for Thought 279 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:05,200 crimes and quote. He recently switched to using 280 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,500 another privacy Focus search engine called Brave after 281 00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:14,099 learning of duck, tacos decision night's main grievance with duck 282 00:17:14,099 --> 00:17:18,400 tacos decision is that he thinks major institutions and media 283 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,400 Outlets are also spreading comparable amounts of 284 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,800 disinformation. So users aren't getting the 285 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,300 whole story. If Herbs are focusing only on 286 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:30,400 some types of false narratives, but not others. 287 00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:34,500 Well, first of all, I had provided him with all of the 288 00:17:34,500 --> 00:17:38,300 examples that I gave and those are vitally important examples 289 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:41,500 because they were not just some things that some people thought 290 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,700 some of the most powerful influential voices in America. 291 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:48,400 Very recently thought these things that are provable lies, 292 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:54,100 so it's not that he thinks major institutions are also spreading 293 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:55,500 comparable amounts of disinformation. 294 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:01,800 And I know and I've proven that they absolutely are, but other 295 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,900 than that, I thought he was a pretty Fair article continues. 296 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,600 However, search engines are inherently about ranking 297 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,000 results. Also, a very fair point. 298 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,400 There's no such thing. As, you know, things should be 299 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,400 equal, which is just why you need to embrace one competition 300 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,900 and have a variety of choices and to recognize that 301 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:26,900 everything. You're looking at has a bias. 302 00:18:26,900 --> 00:18:30,300 There is no holy land of Narnia where there's unbiased 303 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:34,700 information. So, some sources of information 304 00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:37,800 are necessarily going to be prioritized over others. 305 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,300 Yes. This is important. 306 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:43,100 There is going to be something at the top of every search 307 00:18:43,300 --> 00:18:46,600 engine, whether it's Odyssey or YouTube, even if it's left to 308 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,600 right, something is going to catch your eyes. 309 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,200 First. Some things are going to be 310 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,300 promoted more than others. In some ways, the search 311 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:58,400 algorithm is already going to be picking winners and losers in 312 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:01,700 the marketplace of ideas. This was another thing. 313 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:06,900 He had said that this Marketplace of ideas, you know, 314 00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:12,000 it's good in theory, but in reality and then I had to stop 315 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,000 and say, look, it's not a theory. 316 00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:21,100 I just gave you examples of main mainstream institutions with a 317 00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:24,900 lot of power giving fake news. So it's not like I just have a 318 00:19:24,908 --> 00:19:29,400 theory that if the information is controlled at won't be as 319 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,900 good as It's more or less decentralized. 320 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:35,800 I have real-world examples. It's not just a concept in my 321 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,100 head that might eventually come to fruition. 322 00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:39,800 Right now. We have examples of it. 323 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:43,700 When asked how a search engine could rank results in a 324 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:47,100 completely unbiased way night, couldn't quite put his finger on 325 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:51,600 it either because unbiased opinion does not exist. 326 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:55,400 So what I said was I don't specifically know how the 327 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,200 algorithm could be designed because if it's just popularity 328 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,700 dot dot dot Then you know it's not necessarily the truth at the 329 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:06,600 top its popularity at the top. So this kind of transparency is 330 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:09,500 what I was looking for and a lot of times when you're the 331 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:12,100 consumer of a product you don't exactly know. 332 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:16,500 You just know some things you like and some things you don't I 333 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:21,600 put YC's Mongolian Grill in the like category and Burger King in 334 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,200 the. Don't like category II can't get 335 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,500 into specifics. All I know. 336 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:29,600 Is that some things I like and enjoy? 337 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000 And Others, I don't. So when I see DuckDuckGo saying, 338 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:36,100 we're gonna take the establishment side and say that 339 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:39,600 most popular thing that we possibly can now. 340 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,900 Well, I don't like that. I don't know what they should be 341 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:44,000 doing. But I like what Odysseys doing 342 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,400 better. It's just a default position. 343 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,000 If I had to write a book about it. 344 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,900 I put a little more thought into it. 345 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:53,800 But the point is, is that one when it comes to should they, 346 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,700 engage in active dis ranking of alleged disinformation? 347 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,300 I'm on the no camp. He said, though, he later added 348 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:05,900 that pure popularity would at least be better than trying to 349 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:08,500 factor in disinformation, in the results. 350 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,500 Mr. Mark, then ask me. Well, what about Flat Earth at 351 00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:15,600 that point, isn't it? Okay for, you know, search 352 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,600 engine companies to say, nope. We're going to down like this. 353 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,900 This is fake and it's obviously fake and go. 354 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:26,600 Well, that is a really good example because it's specific 355 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,100 and they could come out and say we don't believe the Earth. 356 00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:33,000 Flat, we believe it's around for a b and c reason. 357 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,800 And that sort of transparency is more or less exactly. 358 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,600 What what I'm looking for here. And then I actually added, I was 359 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,400 recently wrong about the Flat Earth. 360 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,300 Well, not recently probably five or ten years ago, but it feels 361 00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:53,200 recent when I had thought that everyone thought the Earth was 362 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,000 flat until Columbus. Sailed, the ocean blue in 1492. 363 00:21:56,500 --> 00:21:59,600 What happened was? I had been watching. 364 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,500 How the Catholic church built Western Civilization. 365 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:07,400 The series of 26 minutes shows with dr. 366 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,600 Thomas E. Woods Junior. 367 00:22:08,900 --> 00:22:13,000 Where he discusses the myth of the Flat Earth and this is the 368 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,700 myth that everyone thought the Earth was flat until Columbus. 369 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:18,800 You can find evidence going back to Hellenistic astronomers 370 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,800 observing the existence of an eclipse claiming that the Earth 371 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,100 is spherical as opposed to flat. So even some things related to 372 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:33,600 Flat Earth pin bring out. Examples or can bring to light 373 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,400 information. You didn't previously have but 374 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:42,100 only if I had had a discussion or watch the video on Flat Earth 375 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:43,900 what I've ever come across that information. 376 00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:48,700 So yes, it's it's always good to look into things article 377 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,700 continues night, ultimately landed on transparency, 378 00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:56,900 surrounding how algorithms work as a possible solution to his 379 00:22:56,900 --> 00:23:01,700 concerns of bias and just as As you know, the wise man always 380 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:05,700 says it's not necessarily solutions that you're looking 381 00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:09,700 for because there is no solution where a problem is solved as 382 00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:13,100 like a solution in mathematics, which are looking for. 383 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:18,900 Are a cost-benefit analysis that will give you the best outcome, 384 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:22,400 that you're able to reach. So everything is going to have 385 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,100 shortcomings. That's why the concepts of 386 00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:31,000 competition and general levels of skepticism are We important. 387 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:34,400 He quotes me saying that sort of transparency, that might 388 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,400 increase the likelihood that people know, they're not getting 389 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,900 necessarily something objective because it's damn near 390 00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:44,400 impossible. He said night even mused that if 391 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,900 DuckDuckGo had just explicitly said that it was on the side of 392 00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:52,200 the quote American establishment and the quote Ukrainian people. 393 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:56,400 He might have seen it has more quote morally acceptable than 394 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,600 trying to describe its down ranking initiatives, as just 395 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,400 trying to Combat, disinformation. 396 00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:03,900 I stand by that. What I should have said, 397 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,500 stupidly. I said Ukrainian people. 398 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,500 I should have said, it's the Kiev regime, because that's 399 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:15,400 really, who is calling the shots there that the Ukrainian people 400 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,500 are suffering under. So it's, it's not like people 401 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:22,500 generally have and what ukrainians in the west. 402 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:27,800 They're very Pro current Kiev regime, but in the East they 403 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,500 were very Pro Yanukovych and are U.s. 404 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,800 Russian separatists, so even Ukrainian people that's that, 405 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,800 that was a little ridiculous of me to say because that's not 406 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,000 even a valid monolith article lens. 407 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:45,400 He said so long as there's transparency, then there's no 408 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,300 illusion that there's the correct stuff and the incorrect 409 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:50,400 stuff stuff. What a dumb way to say. 410 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,600 I should have said information, but we had spoken for like 40 411 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,600 minutes at this point and I was sort of just going off the cuff. 412 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,500 So that is an summary. A good summary of what I 413 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:04,400 discussed with mr. Mark, from slate.com. 414 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,600 Overall. Like I said, I thought he did a 415 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:09,100 very good job. Thank you for watching Keith 416 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:10,600 Knight. Don't tread on anyone and the 417 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:11,900 libertarian Institute.