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Thank you, Rachel. 
This is Mike, love it. 

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And you are indeed listening to 
and if Love Remains I am your 

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host again once the as for or 
mentioned lettuce, and I am here

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with a very special guest, a 
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to have him on again, mr. 
Keith Knight, the managing 

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editor of the libertarian 
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tread on anyone podcast and the 
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book, the voluntarist handbook. 
So To have you on Keith. 

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Thank you for having me Mike. 
I appreciate it man. 

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I'm really excited to have this 
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the things that you're doing and
working on especially this this 

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book the voluntary is handbook 
just want to get a few things 

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out of the way first of all 
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you talk about this and as we 
discussed this are going to want

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to get this book where kit 
where's the best way that you 

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want people to pick this book up
and find it libertarian insert 

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Dot-org. 
You can look at the book 

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section, there's a button to 
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rather to click on and you'll, 
you'll get an option to purchase

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it through Barnes and Noble 
Amazon, or you could download a 

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free pdf from archive.org or 
Odyssey.com. 

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We really wanted to make this 
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anyone who is interested, will 
easily have an opportunity, and,

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of course, I go. 
Was granted the copyright. 

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So anyone who wants to copy any 
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Please do we see it as just 
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know what quest for Freedom? 
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It's this is a really important 
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I'm really, really happy to talk
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And, you know, there are a few 
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hearing you, you know, speak to 
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I heard you on the tongue would 
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know, There are a few guys that 
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knowledge and knows their stuff 
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So yeah, this is going to be a 
lot of fun, man. 

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I appreciate it. 
Thank you. 

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this stuff, I'm a weirdo this 
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Who is Edward, Stringham Edward 

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Stringham, I believe wrote 
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Yes how private governance made 
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So Ed storing them was one of 
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on learn Liberty dot-org, when I
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researching what are, you know, 
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views of the world and he sort 
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will make a theoretical claim 
that kind of sounds bizarre Soul

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start and say you know I think 
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monopoly State, I think if there
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and services and have, you know,
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there were rules and standards 
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imposed or only your coercively 
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aggressors and it gets you in a 
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Well, that sounds like a nice 
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pie-in-the-sky and then he goes,
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Merchants law which was, you 
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another company Apple would have
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have Microphone and they would 
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Theory to history to the present
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so brilliant. 
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theoretical. 
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practical grounds. 
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guy to dedicate this to because 
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who made me go from anyone who 
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volunteerism is a complete 
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the morning and then probably 
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I said this is an Namely 
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wow, I am very open to this. 
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state, security and Society. 
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to thinking, like first of all, 
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claim they are. 
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there's there's wisdom and 
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voluntary acai like to use that 
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stark snarky mood, I'll say an 
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disagreements come down two 
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Herbert's definition, one of the
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initiating violence the 
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slavery and employment people 
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don't get paid, and that's what 
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I gotcha The Narrative life, I 
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Douglass slaves got paid every 
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compensated with free food, Free
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care. 
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to whether or not it's slavery. 
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ownership over you and forcing 
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against your will. 
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So all these people that think 
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Supporting Vladimir zielinski, 
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people into the Ukrainian 
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killing them. 
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Korea? 
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u.s. holds holds the right to do
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Whether they do it now or not, 
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need it. 
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overall system from the Greek 
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the absence of and the Greek. 
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get to go through your stuff and
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think oh, that's evil tyranny 
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know, Joseph Stalin. 
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inherent difference is whether 
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Can you leave, you know, without

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adorable. 
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are basically you know you have 
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fact that he says that with a 
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intellectual type going over to 
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kidnapping but owing on Mike's 
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I mean it's work and then slaves
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So it's really the same thing 
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It's like he's really good at 
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very heroic things like 50 years
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horrible nonsense. 
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time ago and therefore people 
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deGrasse Tyson and Sam Harris. 
They are sure rate in very 

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narrow fields and whenever they 
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they have to be Dumber than the 
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so overly confident. 
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there are so many people that 
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like and their narrow field. 
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But holy cow you get them 
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sound like my my you know, my 
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If I had a five-year-old right 
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humble than these pieces. 
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don't know, what's so freaking 
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And this is one of God, I gotta 
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the volunteers handbook is just 
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what, that is not something I 
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things that I don't know much 
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growing food. 
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be clean and drinkable air 
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things necessary for life, I 
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these people can't just admit 
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on antitrust laws. 
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desperately difficult and then 
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saying, oh, well, the It's says,
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and the conclusion as I get a 
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believe the media. 
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what's the definition of an 
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and and the media treats these 
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everything and so they prop them
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so, and so said this and and 
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We've got to be able to think 
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stuff out and and that's what I 
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political philosophy of 
volunteerism is it does put, you

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know, the buck stops here like 
if I make a decision that's poor

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you know that's going to that 
that's that's going to have 

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lowercase, C outlook on the 
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how I govern my life. 
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there's no, you know, and then 
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So what are the affiliations 
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and most people would think of 
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Federal and know the if you 
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gets down to it, it's going to 
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You know, friends neighbors. 
Those are the people that will 

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stand by you. 
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that will not stand by, you is 
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Who's pulling you over for not 
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and serve obligation and you 
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I mean, you're here to serve me.
I pay your salary, I'm sort of, 

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like, a customer, not exactly 
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Treated when I'm a customer to 
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a supermarket. 
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things is, you know, all these 
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Yeah, they apply, but the 
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do is you get people informed, 
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We don't agree with what people 
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to a virus that started in 2019 
or God knows when it started or 

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where. 
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agree on that or what? 
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this one. 
Narrow specific, not even all a 

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virologist, one virus and these 
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just going to get everyone to 
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So, on, you know, economics and 
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and it's just so ridiculous. 
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pie-in-the-sky utopians for 
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government. 
Well, you are the biggest Pine 

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Sky people. 
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Errand, we're going to get 
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Informed, so Bryan Caplan. 
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called The Myth of the rational 
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I took a quote from him and 
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volunteers handbook. 
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Voters don't know. 
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in the last few decades 
economists, who study politics 

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speaking voters are not making a
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One has so small, a probability 
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that are realistic egoist pays 
no attention to Tex he chooses 

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to be an economic jargon 
rationally, ignorance. 

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So you could spend 1000 hours of
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researching, whatever climate 
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antitrust laws, agriculture 
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And if you take all that time, 
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million vote. 
God knows if it's even counted. 

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And right? 
Usually these things are called 

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that's like well, there's a 
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and there's a gap. 
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it for this guy. 
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And the most ignorant, person 
completely cancels out your 

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vote. 
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Society, it doesn't make sense 
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voting. 
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something that we should be 
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preserve know. 
There's a, there's no reason to 

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what to do so because you can 
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voting, in fact, you benefit 
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There's this brother computer 
printer sitting next to me and I

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was never consulted on how any 
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I didn't vote on how it's made, 
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be. 
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because they face competition, 
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consumers to make money. 
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a government democracy because 
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represented preference. 
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the free market than they are 
anywhere else. 

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Yeah, one of the things I really
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I going through your 
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comes to US versus the state. 
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example, you know, we we all 
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not kill, Thou shalt not steal, 
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Things and I'm paraphrasing you 
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You know, are bad, and we 
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not allow, you know, our 
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I mean, it just said that 
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we'll what do you mean? 
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and say, okay, what can you know
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not good for the type of thing. 
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that out that there is a huge 
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with how we think about 
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we have and and the the 
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quote unquote morality exactly. 
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it's one the things you cannot 
know if prove is necessarily the

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right word, but you can really 
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it, especially if you just take 
whatever standard they have for 

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the government and apply it to 
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they're like, well you know, 
Taxation and these things are 

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legitimate because you know, 
there's costs and but there's 

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also benefits and you get things
in return and they really help 

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out, you know, any group That 
taxed trillions of dollars every

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single year would benefit by 
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the money on fire that would 
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It would lower the money supply.
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more valuable for Savers. 
So the idea that you can't just 

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apply anything, there's not a 
single thing. 

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You can apply that makes 
government's unique to any other

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organization where people are 
like, oh yeah, that's that's 

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totally legitimate or else I 
Issue taxes for a living against

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all the people who downvote my 
videos or have said something. 

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To me that I didn't like on 
social media, I'd say, all 

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right, well, I'm taxing, 10% of 
your income. 

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You don't even need to like 
strawman them or do a reductio 

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ad. 
Absurdum I'm just going to take 

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10% of your income every year. 
You don't give it to me in a 

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Medicaid you and in exchange, 
I'm going to create or fund 

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libertarian, institute.org, 
which is a free educational 

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library of History. 
Economics philosophy logic 

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propaganda analysis, videos, 
podcasts, blogs articles. 

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So I'm creating something in 
exchange. 

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So you now don't get to complain
when I issue taxes or the 

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Catholic Church issues taxes. 
Have you seen some of the 

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cathedral's the church is built?
They're absolutely beautiful. 

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And they benefit all the people 
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attract tourists and everything.
So Catholic Church gets to issue

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taxes, Goodwill provides entry 
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Services. 
For a lot of poor people so they

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benefit Society. 
So they get to issue taxes. 

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Amazon, certainly helps the poor
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goods and services and giving 
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increase their sales. 
So everyone gets to issue taxes 

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and the second you hold the same
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people hold the state to every 
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That's when you see the push 
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Even though two seconds ago, it 
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you're kind of like cheap for 
opposing - like just pay, 

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everyone else is doing it. 
Just just get over it. 

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But then the second you try to 
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Every day, all of a sudden it 
becomes a moral, it's like, hey,

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you know, violence is a part of 
life war is hell. 

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So, you know, you can't get too 
mad at the military for 

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murdering people, all right? 
Then stop getting mad when they 

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are so called shootings that 
take place violence as a part of

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life, life is Hell, things 
happen, nothing you can do about

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it but they're still innocent 
people dying, regardless of 

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whether it's a private Private 
citizen a group of people a 

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group called government, or a 
group called Mexican, drug 

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cartel, same principle applies. 
Yep. 

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Absolutely. 
And and, and the truth is, there

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is there is no difference 
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protection Racket. 
And the police Yeah, yeah, 

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exactly intellectually. 
You can't you can't. 

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There is no difference, you know
you you know you really hey you 

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know really nice. 
Car you got here. 

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Do you have the right paperwork 
on it? 

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Hmm, let me see what hate does 
something were to go wrong with 

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that. 
So one of the questions that 

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comes up as well, you know what,
why don't people get informed, 

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it's in their interest. 
They want a good government 

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which we answered earlier 
because the cost of getting 

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informed It is very high and the
positive effect you'll have is 

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almost non-existent. 
So what is it? 

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That's really driving this 
political thing. 

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Why is it that these people are 
getting mad and screaming by the

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thousands about something that 
they don't have like the basics 

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on. 
So, on page 277, I quote, Robin 

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Hanson. 
He says, political Behavior. 

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It's Robin Hanson and Kevin 
similar. 

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Excuse me. 
Political behavior is largely 

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driven by Coalition, loyalty 
wanting to appear loyal. 

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The groups around us. 
It's also in many ways, a 

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performance politics, like 
religion is a team sport, some 

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treat expressive voting, as an 
act of consumption, something we

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do in order to feel good without
concern for external benefits. 

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In this view, voting is seen as 
providing a psychological reward

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like getting to affirm one's 
identity or feel a sense of 

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belonging benefits, come not 
from voting per se. 

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But rather from all the 
activities surrounding the 

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election like attending rallies 
posting to social media and 

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watching election coverage with 
friends and family. 

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So really so right on that is so
right on what is important. 

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There is that we have to realize
that while you know I my show 

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was very dedicated to trying to 
be in educational aspect of 

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life. 
We have to realize it's also a 

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psychological war that when 
people are involved are very 

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passionate and sports. 
Or their church. 

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I don't see the solution as 
saying you guys need to find out

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about libertarianism and then 
have them replace their 

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identity. 
It's about them embracing that 

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and easily saying just don't 
have double standards for the 

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state. 
If I can't do it, then I sure as

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heck can't vote for a government
to do it on my behalf. 

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So there's a very low by in, 
which is why a spreading these 

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ideas is not only right? 
But it's also realistic, you 

451
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,400
know? 
People think that oh it's so 

452
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,200
unrealistic. 
Everyone abides by By this 

453
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,800
principle of voluntary exchange 
and original appropriation and 

454
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,300
it's just not going to happen. 
Also by the way, everyone is 

455
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:50,400
going to follow thousands of 
laws that are thousands of pages

456
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,100
long that even though the courts
don't even agree on how to 

457
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:55,900
implement the laws or what they 
actually say. 

458
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,800
But yeah, everyone's going to 
agree to that and then 

459
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,700
everyone's going to get informed
and we're all going to read the 

460
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:03,800
laws of we're all going to vote.
They have the most unrealistic 

461
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,100
ideology maybe ever and and they
call us. 

462
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,300
Realistic for just saying that 
don't have double standards. 

463
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:14,300
We Keith, I think you and I 
think you nailed it. 

464
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:25,900
The the if Realizing that your 
strongest bonds are not with a 

465
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:31,300
flag are not with a federal 
government, that's, you know, 

466
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,700
thousands of miles away, not 
even with the state government 

467
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,600
government. 
That's hundreds of miles away, 

468
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:39,800
not even with the city 
government, that's tens of miles

469
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,300
away, but your strongest bonds 
with your family, your 

470
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:46,500
neighbors, your associations, 
the pre, the people that you 

471
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:52,500
work with your religion and that
those bonds are Far, far more 

472
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:56,500
important than the than your 
party, then your political 

473
00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:59,200
affiliation. 
Like those are the important 

474
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,800
things that, that, that, you 
know, when you're on your 

475
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,900
deathbed, are you going? 
Oh man. 

476
00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:06,400
You know, I guess unless you're 
Andrew Jackson. 

477
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,500
I killed the bank. 
No, but I need thinking, I you 

478
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:15,200
thinking, oh man, if only if 
only Trump would have wanted 

479
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,900
2020, I mean, who does that, you
know. 

480
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:26,200
But we but when we compare that 
with how we treat our 

481
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,400
day-to-day, where we're 
listening to Glenn Beck where 

482
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,200
we're talking about, you know 
what, what who's who's The 

483
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,500
Speaker of the House? 
I don't even know because 

484
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:44,400
somehow that drama that, that 
that political theater like just

485
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,600
just is like a virus in our mind
and we forget the things that 

486
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,300
are truly important and and And 
I the I think as Libertarians is

487
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,700
people involved in the 
libertarian, the Liberty. 

488
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,800
Mutual, it's really important 
that we help remind people, that

489
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,400
know, your neighbor who is sick.
Is the person that's really more

490
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,400
important. 
You know, the, you know, being 

491
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:12,200
able for you to grow a garden in
your front, yard is really way 

492
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,600
more important than the state 
get it, you know, having their 

493
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,700
little bit little law about 
that. 

494
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:22,200
You see what I mean? 
Like it's that's Ask that's is a

495
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,700
one. 
Not, you know, there's a lot of 

496
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:25,700
keys but that's one of the keys.
I think to helping people 

497
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:29,700
realize or open their eyes to 
the idea that, you know, we 

498
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:32,600
can't be under this rule 
anymore. 

499
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,800
Yeah. 
Well and the reason that it's so

500
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,400
important for us to appreciate 
is when we say, you know, that 

501
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:44,900
basically everyone regardless of
race nationality, geographical 

502
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:48,000
area should In Praise should 
embrace at least this principle 

503
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,400
of volunteerism. 
That's not being in a Realist or

504
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,700
saying we therefore need to 
control the entire culture. 

505
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:57,300
It's having basic freaking 
standards for everyone, not 

506
00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:01,500
having double standards and the 
great news is you don't have to 

507
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:03,800
lose your identity. 
That's what I'm trying to do in 

508
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,500
the introduction. 
When I say. 

509
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,600
So you care about say 
Christianity. 

510
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:12,600
I'm not saying you're totally 
wrong ditch, everything, admit 

511
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:13,800
you've been wrong about 
everything. 

512
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,900
Just take these standards that 
you already have according to 

513
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:22,000
you and apply them consistently.
If A progressive who was against

514
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,700
exploitation, who believes in 
Justice? 

515
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,700
Anything that makes the state? 
A unique institution is far from

516
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,000
equal since you're against 
inequality, some people have the

517
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,100
right to rule others and there's
no contract. 

518
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:39,200
And if the other people try to 
rule them like, Take January 6, 

519
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,700
for example, government gets to,
you know, invade people's houses

520
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:45,300
and murder them all the time. 
No naka raids and based on 

521
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:50,100
victimless crimes, but some 
people going into the capital 

522
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:52,600
without It a written permission 
slip for a couple hours, was 

523
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,600
like the greatest tragedy CNN 
has a documentary on the 

524
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,400
two-year anniversary. 
I keep forgetting to watch that.

525
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,200
By the way, Adam kinzinger said 
this was just unreal. 

526
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,200
It was Spellbound and I go, it's
going to be the greatest piece 

527
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,300
of propaganda. 
Maybe since gosh, what was the 

528
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:13,200
last greatest? 
Real piece of propaganda in 

529
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,800
something. 
That looked a, nobody, something

530
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,500
2001 related or something, you 
know? 

531
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:18,900
Oh yeah. 
Yeah. 

532
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:21,800
That that would probably top it.
I guess it was just because I 

533
00:31:21,808 --> 00:31:25,500
was first like getting 
interested in the politics when 

534
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:28,000
Obama was going. 
So that's like oh yeah yeah. 

535
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,900
So that's my sort of reference 
point but just watching and SNL 

536
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:38,800
skit last night of Joe Biden, 
debating, you know, Tina Fey as 

537
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,600
the Sarah Palin character. 
It was just like, so even as 

538
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,500
they're trying to make jokes 
about it, it's like look Biden 

539
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:50,400
and Obama the professionals 
Palin and McCain are so 

540
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:53,000
Obviously ridiculous. 
It's not even close. 

541
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000
We got to get the adults in the 
room and then Obama wins the 

542
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,700
Democrats, get the house, the 
Democrats, get the Senate and 

543
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,300
they're just more miserable than
ever. 

544
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,400
The one thing that they pass 
Obamacare, they never brag 

545
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,300
about, but I mean, they never 
work it in any conversations 

546
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:10,900
because it increases the cost of
health care because it outlawed 

547
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:13,700
competitors and tons of people 
lost their insurance even though

548
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:16,400
we promised they wouldn't. 
So that's another one of the 

549
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,700
amazing things, you know, that 
you can do something in my all 

550
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:22,600
the winds, they I want, and 
they're still miserable. 

551
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,200
Absolutely. 
If that Obamacare thing is so 

552
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,400
funny. 
I remember I wore a costume for 

553
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:33,300
Halloween that year was the 
error. 404, no costume found are

554
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:36,800
because of all the other 
problems that with the with the 

555
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:43,800
Obamacare website often, you 
know, and, you know, Zach Zach 

556
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:49,800
Galifianakis had Obama on his 
show Between Two Ferns and 

557
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,500
Obama. 
Uh Works in a plug for Obamacare

558
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:59,600
and he's like, well there I will
admit and I'm like stopped time 

559
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:02,900
and I'm like, oh my gosh, is he 
actually going to say what I 

560
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:07,200
think he's going to say there 
are people between seven and 

561
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,100
nine million who lost health 
insurance, and that was this big

562
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:13,200
Scandal than Jonathan Gruber. 
Came out and said past because 

563
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,200
of the ignorance of the American
people, whatever and I will 

564
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:25,100
admit, there were some problems 
with The website at first, it 

565
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:28,400
was just so classic. 
It's the abusive husband. 

566
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,800
Who says, honey? 
I gotta come clean. 

567
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,600
I'll admit it. 
I didn't put oil in it and the 

568
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,800
car before, 3,000 miles. 
I waited too long. 

569
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,700
It's like really, that's your 
admission. 

570
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,200
Oh, that's beautiful. 
That's, that's exactly right. 

571
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:52,400
You know, I think The the oh I 
wanted to ask you, sorry, I 

572
00:33:52,408 --> 00:33:55,200
wanted to ask you. 
So the purpose, what prompted 

573
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,900
you to write the book? 
Like, why did you think? 

574
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:59,700
Hey, this is a missing and I do 
think it's really important. 

575
00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:02,200
I hope people will go to 
libertarian Institute, I'll have

576
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,000
the link in the description, go 
to the link, check it out, he's 

577
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,500
offering a really generously 
offering it in PDF form for 

578
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:12,800
free. 
And I would also recommend to 

579
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:18,500
donate to the libertarian 
Institute and You know, if you 

580
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:21,699
find that the information 
valuable educational helpful, 

581
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:25,400
man, please make a donation 
because it's this, it's that 

582
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,400
kind of this kind of work. 
That's really important right 

583
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,800
now. 
But what prompted you to write 

584
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,800
the book in the first place? 
Well thank you for saying that 

585
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,500
and if people it's a 318 pages, 
I think if you want to get a 

586
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:41,100
summary the first two pages, the
introduction. 

587
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,100
And the last two pages that 
afterward Army trying to 

588
00:34:44,107 --> 00:34:47,400
summarize all the 50 essays that
are In the book. 

589
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,400
So I know people have jobs. 
People got other obligations or 

590
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,000
they might be bored of it. 
You can get a free summary of 

591
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,100
the book, go to the PDF and read
the to introduction pages and 

592
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:58,800
the to afterward pages. 
That is the best way to get the 

593
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,800
gist of what of my general 
thesis here. 

594
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:08,200
Now my thesis is simply through 
other people's works, so I try 

595
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,300
making the case by saying, look,
I originally was a progressive 

596
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:16,700
and now I'm a Libertarian. 
Here are the 50 essays which 

597
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,200
Changed my mind. 
And the problem is some essays 

598
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,700
or books are like a really long.
So I go well should I put all of

599
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:28,300
Boston W you know 1850s a the 
law. 

600
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:31,600
Now, I go that sort of goes on. 
So what I did instead is I took 

601
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,500
books like the most dangerous 
Superstition, the law by 

602
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:38,900
Basquiat, no treason by Lysander
Spooner. 

603
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,400
No, right and wrong compulsion 
of the state by Albarn Herbert 

604
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:46,100
and I just have two or three 
pages of my favorite quotes from

605
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:49,200
those books. 
So it's extremely efficient in 

606
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,500
how you can. 
Remember the most important 

607
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:54,900
aspects of these huge books that
take a long time to read you get

608
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:58,700
10 or 20 quotes and you get the 
gist of what these people are 

609
00:35:58,700 --> 00:36:01,800
talking about. 
So because it was, I wanted 

610
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,400
something that I could proudly 
say look, I know you guys had me

611
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,400
go to 12 years of your schools, 
and I never got to thank you, 

612
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,900
whatever. 
I'm not going to ask you for 12 

613
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:15,200
years of your time and then four
more years of University. 

614
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,600
What I'm going to do is ask 
that. 

615
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,300
You read one book and I'm going 
to make it super easy to read. 

616
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,500
I'm going to take, you know, out
all the things that I don't 

617
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:28,800
think are valuable. 
And I'm saying, this is, if I 

618
00:36:28,808 --> 00:36:31,600
could pick one book for everyone
in the world to read, That's the

619
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,500
book I want to make and that's 
what the this book is. 

620
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:40,300
So Michael malice really 
motivated me cuz he wrote he 

621
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:43,500
organized the anarchist handbook
and I go gosh there's a lot that

622
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:47,800
I really like in here but I wish
you would do this. 

623
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,900
I wish he wouldn't have done 
that. 

624
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:50,500
This should have been shorter 
and this shouldn't have been 

625
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:53,900
inserted and I go, how about I 
shut up and be the change? 

626
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:56,500
I want to see in the world 
instead of complaining about a 

627
00:36:56,500 --> 00:37:00,300
guy who has done more for 
anarchism probably yesterday 

628
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:04,200
then I ever will. 
So that's why I made this, that 

629
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,100
was my general reasoning one of 
the questions. 

630
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:10,100
I asked a lot of the people I 
interview on my show is, if you 

631
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:12,700
could recommend one book for 
everyone to read, what would 

632
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:15,300
that book be? 
And it's an attempt to everyone 

633
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:18,100
hates the question, which is As 
a bonus because that's fun. 

634
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,100
Everyone's oh, that's too 
constraining. 

635
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,400
The problem is that when you're 
talking to an audience, that's 

636
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,000
constantly getting recommended 
podcast to listen to videos to 

637
00:37:27,008 --> 00:37:30,300
watch books, to read articles to
check out that they don't have 

638
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:34,200
the time, but if if I recommend 
five or six books, they don't 

639
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,000
know which one to start with. 
But if I say look there was one 

640
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:42,600
book if I'd love you to read 
like 50 or 60 that I really 

641
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,100
enjoy but if I just had one, 
here's what it is. 

642
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:50,000
And for me it's That's why I 
created it the voluntarist and 

643
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,900
know I love it and I love books 
like this because it does, it 

644
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:56,200
gives you like the Reader's 
Digest version. 

645
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,500
It gives you like just some 
really great insights. 

646
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:04,100
I have my friend on Joey 
Wolverton and he wrote the 

647
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:07,000
founders recipe, which is kind 
of the same idea where he's 

648
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,200
taken the, the, the real 
significant influencers on the 

649
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,500
founding fathers and, and, you 
know, kind of compiled them. 

650
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:18,800
And Into that book. 
And it's a really, really 

651
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:26,200
important book to see how 
Liberty minded they were up to a

652
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,300
point. 
Yeah. 

653
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:30,200
But anyway, it just goes to show
you. 

654
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,100
I mean, any one given that 
amount of power, this is gonna 

655
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,200
totally get corrupted. 
And I absolutely include myself 

656
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,200
in that, I mean, just a wild, 
you know, caveats would be 

657
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:47,200
someone like Ron Paul but even 
Ron Paul voted for Paul's a 

658
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,300
hero, I love him. 
He's been on my show. 

659
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:53,000
I'm so thankful for everything 
but the lesson is that even he 

660
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:57,400
voted for intervening in 
Afghanistan a 20-year War 

661
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:02,500
trillions of dollars and tens of
thousands of Civilian lives. 

662
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:06,200
Tons of PTSD got young kids 
getting their limbs blown off 

663
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:10,600
and the reality is that the 
Taliban didn't want Osama Bin 

664
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,300
Laden there. 
He was a big stinking liability.

665
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:16,400
They were ready to hand him over
to any Third Country but George 

666
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,500
Bush. 
Shhhh admits in his book 

667
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:22,600
decision points that he only 
asked that to show their 

668
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,700
Defiance to Rally the world 
around the invasion of 

669
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:30,900
Afghanistan in hopes. 
It would be a quick Victory and 

670
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:33,600
then they could go on to Iraq 
right after. 

671
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,400
So, even like the best guy Ron 
Paul in the most justified War. 

672
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,600
Since the beginning of all wars 
Afghanistan, we got to go in 

673
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,300
because of 9/11, the war was 
unjust and whether you look at 

674
00:39:46,308 --> 00:39:50,100
it from the Economic standpoint 
or the moral standpoint, the 

675
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,800
Afghan war. 
The best Wars are still unjust 

676
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,200
and the best people still are 
going to make the wrong 

677
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,900
decision. 
So it is why we which is why any

678
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:04,300
kind of power like that is 
unauthorized power. 

679
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,700
Yeah it just is you. 
We have we can't think of it as 

680
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:13,400
like we can't allow people to 
have that kind of that kind of 

681
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,600
power over us and over, you know
what we're doing. 

682
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:19,400
They're there because you're 
right, like people get put in, 

683
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,500
in possible positions and 
another lesser if there's no, 

684
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:31,200
if, you know, if there's no 
money to steal in the on the 

685
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,600
Shelf, you know, that money 
isn't going to get stolen, you 

686
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,000
know what I mean? 
Like, we giving them even even 

687
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,200
through the Constitution, giving
them that power, just messed 

688
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,600
things up and corrupted and put 
us into a funny. 

689
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:52,200
Into a funny house that we've 
been fighting for, you know, 

690
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,700
over 200 years and really I 
mean, that's, that's the history

691
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:58,800
of Western cultures. 
How do we, how do we get 

692
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,000
ourselves out of the funny box 
called tyranny? 

693
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,000
One of the most important, I 
should stop saying that because 

694
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,200
I realized I say it so often 
it's just fake. 

695
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:11,300
If it's in here I went out of my
way because it's important. 

696
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:15,500
But right there is an essay 
short article in here, Gotham 

697
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:18,800
blanking on the name. 
I think it's called the power 

698
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,200
vacuum argument by Larkin rose 
page 170. 

699
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:25,400
He talks about the concept of 
warlord. 

700
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,900
So it's like the idea of well, 
you know people can't be trusted

701
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:32,500
with that power but the reality 
is, is that that powers there 

702
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,200
always has been and always will 
be what Larkin Rose does. 

703
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:42,100
Such a good job of doing is 
saying thing in one way. 

704
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,900
People are actually quite right 
about that, but in another way, 

705
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:47,900
they are dead wrong. 
The only The power vacuums 

706
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:51,500
exists, is because most people 
think there should be and has to

707
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:55,700
be a ruling class, a supreme set
of lawmakers a government. 

708
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:58,800
If, for example, Washington, 
d.c. just fell into the Atlantic

709
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,600
today, a new government would 
grow, but not because of magic 

710
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:06,700
or human nature or because the 
universe makes them appear. 

711
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:11,000
But because people who believe 
in Authority will keep creating 

712
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:15,200
new classes, so they would 
literally be the equivalent of 

713
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,300
me walking around in like a 
Burger, King Crown, declaring 

714
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:19,700
myself king. 
That's right. 

715
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:22,700
I've declared myself King and 
Biden, has declared himself, 

716
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:25,600
president and King you'd think 
is higher than that. 

717
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,400
So, since I've declared it, I 
must be calling all the shots. 

718
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:31,400
The problem is, is that I 
wouldn't have the power simply 

719
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,200
because I don't have general 
public opinion behind me. 

720
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,900
So we just are trying to switch 
people's general public opinion 

721
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,000
that democracy in the state of 
legitimate to the 

722
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,800
non-aggression. 
Principle is the standard 

723
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,800
default. 
The least you can do to have A 

724
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,900
society, talk to me about the 
libertarian Institute. 

725
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:53,200
What is it? 
And how, what's your affiliation

726
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,600
with the? 
I know you're the managing 

727
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,800
editor, but how did, how did 
that come about the story 

728
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,800
originated with Scott Horton and
Sheldon Richmond. 

729
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,000
And a guy named William Greg, 
they got together and just 

730
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,200
wanted a place where they could 
archive all of their research 

731
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,200
where they could send people to 
really get the idea of What true

732
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,700
libertarianism actually is. 
Now what it is today is a free 

733
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:24,900
educational, archive is the best
way to think about it. 

734
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:31,700
You not only get the news or a 
the other side of things like 

735
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:36,700
the war in Ukraine or provoking 
China in a war over Taiwan. 

736
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:41,200
I mean, it's just unbelievable 
after they lose a 20-year war in

737
00:43:41,207 --> 00:43:43,100
Afghanistan. 
They're like, yeah, we might 

738
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:45,900
have to go to war with China 
over Taiwan. 

739
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:48,200
We might have to go to Go to war
with Iran, if they start 

740
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,600
developing nukes and we might 
have to go to war with Russia 

741
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,600
over dontist in luhansk. 
I mean, it's just unbelievable 

742
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,900
how crazy these people are. 
So the libertarian Institute has

743
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:01,800
a news feed where we try to 
combat some of the propaganda 

744
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,800
going on in the press and with 
politicians, we also have 

745
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,800
articles that get into 
philosophy which give people an 

746
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,100
important, fundamental Outlook. 
So, When you hear something 

747
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:17,300
like, there's a new plan called 
the green new deal. 

748
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:21,900
If you have a philosophical 
understanding, or a historical 

749
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:25,000
understanding, which we also try
to provide, you are not going to

750
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,600
fall for such a scam, the 
analogy. 

751
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,800
I recently used was, you know, 
maybe there is a guy in Nigeria 

752
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,600
who just needs a thousand 
dollars now. 

753
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,300
And he'll give me at five 
thousand dollars once he gets 

754
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:41,100
back to America. 
But it's such a common scam. 

755
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:45,200
That is so Frequent that there's
no need to even look into it, 

756
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,700
just delete the email, it's a 
scam and move on. 

757
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:51,400
That is the exact Outlook you 
will have, if you properly 

758
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,700
understand history, you're never
going to fall for these 

759
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:56,000
government scams if they were so
good. 

760
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:59,700
And so valuable people would 
have funded them voluntarily, 

761
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,300
but we'll just have a thing that
you could chip into the church 

762
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:07,200
is a great example of how people
can voluntarily chip in, and the

763
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,200
poor can still get access to 
this thing. 

764
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,100
That's voluntarily funded. 
So we're trying. 

765
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:14,500
Change. 
General public opinion by 

766
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,300
creating a free educational 
archive at libertarian. 

767
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:20,900
Institute.org you got podcast, 
you have videos, some are five 

768
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:25,900
hours long summer, 30 seconds 
long, we have articles, we have 

769
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:29,800
blogs, we have a collection of 
documents relating to the 

770
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:33,200
Oklahoma City incident. 
A lot of important research 

771
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,500
going on lot to do with foreign 
policy changing public opinion 

772
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:42,000
on on the big Wars 2. 
It's not just Iraq was a 

773
00:45:42,008 --> 00:45:43,100
blunder. 
Under that. 

774
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:47,100
Just like the, the, the 
throwaway line that, I mean, if 

775
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:50,100
someone invaded America, and was
like murdering civilians and, 

776
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:53,600
you know, killed the president 
invaded, the capital and then 

777
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,500
killed the president and had 
regime change. 

778
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:58,000
Would we be like us that 
blunder? 

779
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,300
No Lucy. 
This is completely evil 

780
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,100
psychopathy based on lies and 
it's theft funded and we should 

781
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:10,500
be totally resisting this. 
So so we try not to mince words.

782
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:12,100
We try not to waste anyone's 
time. 

783
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:15,500
Some Of articles are very short 
because we just want to get to 

784
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:17,800
the point where as I mean if you
read some of these other 

785
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,800
websites like it's so clearly 
was like it has to be a minimum 

786
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,500
of 1,000 words and they just go 
on about something completely, 

787
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:30,300
not respecting the readers time.
So libertarian Institute is a 

788
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:33,800
free educational research, 
archive that also provides 

789
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,200
things like what's going on 
around the world. 

790
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,000
And we do our very, very, very 
best to respect the readers 

791
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,500
time. 
That's why it's important. 

792
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:45,900
Fantastic. 
We'll definitely check that out.

793
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:49,700
And and also check out your 
podcast to the do not tread on 

794
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:54,800
anyone podcast and and and 
Keith. 

795
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,900
This is your we're talking to 
Keith Knight managing editor at 

796
00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:01,900
the libertarian is to author of 
the voluntarist handbook. 

797
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:05,600
I am grateful for this book. 
Is this such a wonderful book 

798
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,200
in. 
This is definitely be in my top 

799
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:14,100
books for people to get an idea.
In of what the Liberty Movement 

800
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:15,800
is. 
Oh I wanted to ask you up. 

801
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:18,500
One thing you mentioned as 
you're describing the 

802
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:23,400
libertarian Institute is is the 
the main objective was to try to

803
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,000
find out what true 
libertarianism is. 

804
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:31,500
You know, how would you define 
that other than just people just

805
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:34,400
read the book. 
But if you were to sum that up 

806
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,200
in a sentence or two, you know, 
how would you define it as a 

807
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,600
mean or would you define it as a
political philosophy or how 

808
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,700
Define, what is libertarianism? 
I would say it's the moral 

809
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:48,800
position which maintains that 
it's illegitimate to initiate 

810
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,300
aggression against, not 
aggressors. 

811
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:56,200
That gets to the heart of it and
that I think that speaks for 

812
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,900
itself. 
But the problem is that people 

813
00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:01,600
hear that and say, oh yeah, I'm 
that's something I'm totally for

814
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:07,100
and they won't appreciate that. 
The implication there is that 

815
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,900
the existence of a state is What
makes the state a unique 

816
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,800
institution is that it claims 
the right to do that? 

817
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:18,500
There's a lot of things it does.
Has people in suits has 

818
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:22,200
buildings funds, roads, funds, 
educational or schooling 

819
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,600
facilities but that's not what 
makes it a unique institution. 

820
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:31,000
So the libertarian simply 
doesn't have a double standard 

821
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,000
for states or groups or other 
individuals. 

822
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:39,700
And the reason that their 
primary motivation is because 

823
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:42,900
what makes a state unique, is it
claims the Right to initiate 

824
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:44,400
violence against peaceful 
people. 

825
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:49,500
A principle we clearly see is 
unjustified in cases of 

826
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,200
kidnapping rape slavery theft. 
All of those are illegitimate 

827
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,000
because they violate consent and
that is what also makes the 

828
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,200
state illegitimate. 
So that's what being a 

829
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,200
Libertarian really is about. 
Its the hatred of aggressors and

830
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,600
the empathy. 
And sympathy for the victims of 

831
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,500
aggression Always hate the 
bully. 

832
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:23,000
That's what is your I was, oh my
gosh, I had anyway. 

833
00:49:23,900 --> 00:49:29,100
I am grateful to have to have 
you on and, and again, you know,

834
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:31,700
check out the link, check out 
the book, The Volunteers to 

835
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:35,000
handbook. 
What was one thing that you 

836
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,400
maybe? 
As you're putting this book 

837
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,300
together, specific to your book.
That either, surprise, you or 

838
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:42,500
that you learned or what was 
what was one thing that that 

839
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,200
that you gained out of putting 
this book together and 

840
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,300
appreciation for authors because
Cuz oh my gosh I thought this 

841
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:52,900
book would take two weeks to 
make I'm like well I already got

842
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:54,300
the stuff. 
I'll just go through my old 

843
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:57,200
books and you know find the 
things I want to put in an in a 

844
00:49:57,207 --> 00:50:01,300
week or two I'll get it done. 
Maybe three weeks in case you 

845
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:04,600
know something pops up. 
This thing took me like one year

846
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,100
from the day that I decided to 
start doing it. 

847
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:11,100
Of course it's 15 years of 
reading and research so it 

848
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:14,000
really made me appreciate the 
amount of effort that goes into 

849
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:18,000
making a book and all the more 
reason to make sure that you 

850
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,600
don't waste your time. 
You know, Screw everything up 

851
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,900
with the. 
Well, I've put so much time, I'm

852
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:26,800
just going to publish it as it 
is because then people are not 

853
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,000
going to appreciate it and then 
that'll ruin your reputation and

854
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,200
then you've wasted all your 
time. 

855
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:36,400
So it really made me appreciate 
that if you put a lot of energy 

856
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,500
and effort into something, make 
sure it's something that you're 

857
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:44,000
really willing to stand behind 
because then it'll actually be 

858
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,200
worth it. 
You can promote it without, you 

859
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,700
know, the caveat of some people 
like it. 

860
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:51,400
Some people don't, I'm just 
like, look, here's the reality. 

861
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,500
You want to see through the 
entire mainstream media? 

862
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:59,100
I got a chapter in there by dr. 
Michael humor, and he walks you 

863
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,800
through 14 of the most important
logical fallacies, you'll ever 

864
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,500
come across. 
So even even if you say, you 

865
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:08,500
come out and say, you know what,
I'm not convinced of 

866
00:51:08,508 --> 00:51:12,200
volunteerism for whatever 
nonsense, excuse, people, have, 

867
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,100
you can at least say, you know 
what, but those were some 

868
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:19,300
interesting arguments that that 
was something that I didn't 

869
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:22,600
consider. 
And how was it that the fair and

870
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,200
balanced media? 
And this unbiased media always 

871
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,300
bragging about how other people 
have biases and and as opposed 

872
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:34,700
to us, why isn't that? 
I've at least heard some of 

873
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:36,900
these arguments. 
Why is it that, you know, they 

874
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:39,700
always say monopolies are so bad
and the free markets bad, it 

875
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:43,400
creates monopolies and then they
Advocate the state to monopolize

876
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,100
the money supply. 
So I go. 

877
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:49,300
How come it's like there has to 
be a good answer because I mean 

878
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:52,500
there's a government in every 
country, so surely someone's 

879
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:55,700
thought of this and then you can
dig for years and realize, oh my

880
00:51:55,700 --> 00:52:00,300
God, there is not a good answer.
One of Thomas Souls takeaways in

881
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:02,600
a book titled, black rednecks 
and white liberals. 

882
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,200
He says here is the two Lessons 
From Slavery. 

883
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:13,300
One is that people with great 
amounts of unchecked power will 

884
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:16,200
always abuse it. 
So, even on a very small scale, 

885
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,800
this is why Democrats are wrong 
to say what we just need the 

886
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:23,300
Verde masses to have the power. 
Nope, it's going to be equally 

887
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,600
as abused as if it were just, 
you know, fauci and Biden and 

888
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,400
Klaus Schwab. 
So, the average person's going 

889
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,800
to justify killing and 
enslaving, look how the average 

890
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,700
person, justifies, Wars, or 
drone strikes, and then salutes 

891
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:38,800
the military. 
It's like, yes. 

892
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,100
When people are given that 
amount of power, it's it's going

893
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:47,800
to go wrong and they're going to
abuse it and then justify it to 

894
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,000
themselves. 
And listen, he says is how bad 

895
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,200
things can last for so long. 
How really, really bad things 

896
00:52:56,500 --> 00:53:00,900
can apply to a lot of lot of 
millions of people throughout 

897
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all of history simply because 
people didn't care to think or 

898
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reconsider it. 
He said most people believed in 

899
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the legitimacy of slavery 
because they never really 

900
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contemplated it since the 
beginning of time. 

901
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But once people really started 
to question it, then it stays 

902
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,300
were were numbered and people 
had You know, firing power to 

903
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:23,300
resist, slave, kidnappers, and 
everything. 

904
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So that's all to say that there 
are examples of things that 

905
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everyone has been wrong about 
for a really long time. 

906
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,700
And the answer is right in front
of them. 

907
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And I think the next thing that 
people are going to admit that 

908
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everyone's been wrong about is 
the legitimacy of the state. 

909
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:45,300
And I think that this book does 
the best job. 

910
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:50,000
I did the very best job I could 
to, to really makeup that case. 

911
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,700
So even if you're not convinced 
by it, I still try not to well 

912
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:56,800
waste the readers time. 
Yeah, no, I agree. 

913
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,100
The next moral Paradigm is for 
people to realize the 

914
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:05,100
illegitimate, see of the state 
and that, and that, you know, I 

915
00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:08,300
pray that will happen sooner 
than later, but that I'm totally

916
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:10,900
and your and your book is a 
fabulous tool. 

917
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,300
I think another important aspect
of your book is it gives people 

918
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:21,600
who think like us, Comfort. 
And here's what I mean, like 

919
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,200
when you when you start reading 
the essays that you put together

920
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,200
and the names that, you know, 
from Walter Williams that Jeff 

921
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,500
dies, rothbart, of course, you 
know, all these guys, you start 

922
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:38,000
to put together these Powerhouse
names and and realize. 

923
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:40,900
And as you do your, as I've 
done, let me speak for myself, 

924
00:54:40,900 --> 00:54:46,400
as I've done my own research and
realized that the really, 

925
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,200
really, really great. 
Hers. 

926
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,600
The, I mean, the great ones, the
furrows, the tolkien's, the 

927
00:54:55,700 --> 00:55:01,700
tolstoi's, the Emerson, all 
these guys have at some point, 

928
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:05,800
come to the realization. 
That some form of anarchism that

929
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:11,600
some form of volunteerism is the
only moral political Theory 

930
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:33,700
available preach. 
Yeah, good call, man. 

931
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:35,800
Thanks for having me on. 
Do I appreciate it. 

932
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,700
Thank you so much, Keith and I 
hope and man, this has been a 

933
00:55:38,707 --> 00:55:40,800
blast again. 
Check out the link. 

934
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,100
Check out his book, The 
Volunteers handbook, checkouts 

935
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:46,800
podcast, and the libertarian 
Institute, much blessings, man, 

936
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take care. 
Take care. 

937
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You are listening. 
First of twenty. 

938
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,100
Three installments requested by 
dr. 

939
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:01,900
Leavitt trying to be in 
compliance. 

940
00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:03,800
Are you taking him?