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The very same people who say 
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interfere with sexual activity 
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Believe the government has every
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economic activity between 
consenting adults. 

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Welcome to Keith's night. 
Don't try it on anyone. 

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And the libertarian Institute 
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I'm joined by Olivia Rondell 
Olivia. 

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Where is the best place for 
people to find your work on 

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Twitter? 
I'm at Rhonda Olivia and on 

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Instagram. 
I'm Rondo dot Olivia and my link

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tree is in my brows on both 
sides. 

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At forms, they'll take me take 
you to all my articles that 

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feeds him cast. 
Daily Caller, Etc. 

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Awesome. 
Yes. 

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She is. 
The Hazlet fellow at the 

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foundation for economic 
education. 

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Great place. 
I've learned so much from them 

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today. 
I wanted to talk about some of 

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your influences and some of the 
books that you and I actually 

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share, as far as being our 
Inspirations. 

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What was your biggest takeaway 
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Basic economics by Thomas soul. 
The reason I really liked it was

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because I really broke it down. 
Simply. 

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I think it's a great book to 
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not familiar with free market, 
economics or libertarianism or 

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just, you know, just wants to 
start learn by economics in 

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general because my favorite part
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simply and be like, okay. 
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gravitate towards socialism and 
this is why people would benefit

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greatly from the free market. 
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job of emphasizing. 
Rising the morality. 

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I think behind the free market 
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wealth. 
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that pretty immoral. 
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anything, but I think he 
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it easier for like normies to 
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listen to books instead instead 
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And I was listening to it around
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like, okay, I like that. 
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very political person. 
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She's not political. 
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And so, that's why I really 
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And so I always recommend 
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So, I'm also read, I think the 
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right next to White liberals. 
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I think it's great, but for 
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recommend basic economics. 
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still attracted to socialism 
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North Korea and South Korea East
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know, Venezuela and Sure, he's a
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That was a real communism. 
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that's literally all of this. 
That just, there's so much 

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misinformation about it. 
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pretty frequently. 
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people in my generation and gen 
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capitalism. 
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we're currently living in the 
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We think that the government 
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and huge Farm bailouts and 
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bailouts. 
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Is that's not what it is at all.
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strong misconception about what 
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So I sometimes try to even not 
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As much as I use the word free 
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connotations. 
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Adam Smith was writing about how
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the business owners merging 
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He uses that word against the 
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today, people are calling that 
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in opposition to those very 
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explanation for why people are 
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Do you have any other ideas as 
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this concept of, you know, tax 
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everyone photos everywhere. 
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Do you have any ideas to the 
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Well, people want to feel safe 
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about this before. 
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having something higher than 
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yourself. 
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to, you know, find your purpose 
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life. 
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type of authority to be that 
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generally look at the government
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Otherworldly, being that isn't 
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People with real flawed 
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mistakes and can't who are 
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to protect you or to serve you. 
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much faith in the government. 
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the rich or just give us a Ubi 
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check, if they really think, 
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don't view the government as a 
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all are. 
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This way, people don't think 
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Jones. 
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of the use of scarce resources, 
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I think one of the great 
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completely ignore this reality. 
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and everyone should just have 
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Well, they don't grasp 
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resource you spend, in One 
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You can't spend spend it in 
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debate stage. 
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them when they were asked. 
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care? 
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or also undocumented people as 
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hand. 
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people on planet Earth could be 
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That's paid for with other 
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they cannot that stupid, they're
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stupid. 
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we're looking at them like and 
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immigrants like Health Care is a
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health care, but that's really 
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read or I listened to basic 
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The time. 
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class in college and I realized 
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actually had a pretty decent 
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Professor. 
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basically, it wasn't saying oh, 
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economics was basically the 
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to find it throughout the book 
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because even at the end of that 
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took like a pole essentially. 
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universal healthcare universe or
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what that the indoctrination is 
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because people act like, oh, 
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Marxist, universities getting a 
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regard is true. 
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in, they already believe that, 
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whole semester of basically a 
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class didn't really do anything 
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said in 1959. 
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universal healthcare sort of 
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free market and then there's the
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free and always there, he 
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outside of the US public health 
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bunch of doctors inside and 
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bureaucracy unable to attend to 
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like five years ago at the VA in
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actually dying because there's 
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It's the equivalent. 
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saying, the police are terrible 
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It's like, oh, that's free 
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Yeah, you don't get to choose 
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You don't get to choose the 
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Listen. 
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So conservatives to because 
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really understand it, because 
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government have a monopoly on 
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On a certain type of weapon, or 
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you can see the cognitive 
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of like cause a malfunction as 
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So has a great book called The 
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This was written like 25 years 
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He says there's about four key 
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You have to watch out for and if
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know that A Swindle is going on.
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great danger to the whole of 
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masses of people are oblivious 
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Need for Action to avert 
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for government to drastically 
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The dangerous behavior of the 
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Conclusions of the few, for a 
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arguments, to the contrary, as 
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or motivated. 
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He writes about the covid and 
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before they actually came to 
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Do you have any response to 
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I just love that passage. 
It's honestly when I when I 

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haven't actually I don't think 
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passage before but it's kind of 
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that. 
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ever more recently been into. 
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Spooner recently and he has 
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New favorite. 
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predictions as well in regards 
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way too much, and this is the 
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age, but really anyone needs to 
look back at what the great, you

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know, speakers and philosophers.
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this because history repeats 
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really disheartening to see. 
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young to be black filled, but I 
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Like, I definitely. 
I definitely am and like there's

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a lot of like Boomers who were 
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generation is going to say but 
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Millennials. 
We're not, like not even a 

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little bit. 
We're horrible. 

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We're like, completely like 
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We're not liberals. 
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are like leftists, it's worse. 
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basic economics is one of my 
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think people who are stupid need
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not a hard book to read at all. 
So yeah, the soul is great. 

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As far as economic skills. 
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little, what are some of the 
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Spooner's work. 
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with Carrie welder. 
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libertarian YouTuber. 
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introduced me to some works of 
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a little bit with with fee. 
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I have cited like a quote from 
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eyes to The fallacy of 
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always said that was like more 
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I've always been like, oh, yeah.
I'm a constitutionalist. 

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You know, I you know, I like the
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protects our rights and then 
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that it doesn't like at all like
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It should, you know, I still 
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I'm trashing the power. 
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government has walked all over 
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cants protector rights or it, 
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can't. 
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disenchanted with it lately. 
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say that. 
I hate it. 

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I wish it was more powerful but 
it's just not it's difficult 

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when you have people trying to 
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do a really bad job, you can't 
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I mean imagine if like 
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whether they brought the food to
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Or they didn't. 
Well that's going to attract the

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most evil people to work at the 
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never going to get the food and 
they're always going to want 

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more money. 
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you're going to get your Foods. 
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sound of the door says, I'm 
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Oh my God, and you can scream 
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But at the side of the door 
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accountable and it's kind of 
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So I like the rule on the side 
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I really enjoy all the 
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I enjoy the first amendment. 
I enjoy the second. 

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I met, it's It was written by a 
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As I'm so grateful that they 
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basis for our large part of our 
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more conservative, or 
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but what does it actually? 
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Court, you know, things are 
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Constitution but not as like not
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many things in there, should be.
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many unconstitutional laws these
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about it. 
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Wade or or whatever the thing it
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been so many little things that 
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Radar. 
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What was your biggest takeaway 
from Animal Farm by George 

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Orwell? 
I love that book. 

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I actually read that in high 
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So that was maybe like six years
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then I feel like that's what 
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anymore because my early teen 
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I was definitely leaning more of
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Way, I didn't really know what 
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I didn't read any political 
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That was my first oral book I've
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Since that I read like 
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to, but Animal Farm will always 
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it's one of those books that I 
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So it's one of those books that 
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the metaphor of being on a farm 
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relating to State, control, and 
relating to basically the people

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in charge who are kind of making
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They're the ones that are, you 
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just Kind of a pig on a farm and
that's just, that's just all it 

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is. 
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It's one of my favorite books is
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because I don't like reading and
it just it kind of opened my 

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eyes. 
So it's like a lot of nostalgia 

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related to that. 
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It was definitely one of the 
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thinking about actual equality, 
that it's probably not even 

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desirable for everyone to, you 
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division of labor and then to 
excel in their Fields like all 

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the things I love in life are 
not the result of everyone 

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voting and they're being equal 
influence. 

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It's like only a few people 
influence the greatest, you 

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know, TV shows the architecture.
I like the computers I use and 

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then the second thing was just 
the concept of equality and 

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principle that the people 
advocating 535 people roll over 

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300 million strangers. 
Well, that's the least equal 

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thing. 
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like the most powerful people. 
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like, we need to build back 
better and this is going to 

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include. 
Equality, government, steals 

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five trillion every year. 
Does anyone else come close to 

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that? 
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the planet. 
Don't Come Close and they're 

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talking about equality. 
They make executive orders. 

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We have to obey them, that's 
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What a scam. 
It's totally. 

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It's totally be. 
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this relates to any of any of 
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Groups, I feel the same way 
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everything. 
I just it's just like I didn't 

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vote for you people and you guys
make your rules for me and you 

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guys are stealing for me. 
I don't really like that. 

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I feel like it's very simple to 
understand if you think 

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critically about it for a little
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So when I talk to people my age,
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And I'm like, did you when you 
were born, did you like sign 

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this supposed social contract? 
You know, it's a led the 

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government and just take your 
stuff whenever they feel like it

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at gunpoint. 
They're like, well, no, but you 

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know, My roads, you know, my 
police who will build my roads 

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and then we started talking 
about it, but I always start off

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with something like that. 
I've started Animal Farm a 

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couple different times, 
especially to kids, who I went 

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to high school with some, like, 
I know you remember reading 

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that, like, I know you remember 
reading that like freshman year 

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of high school. 
I know, you know what it's 

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about. 
So apply it to real life because

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it is that simple, I think What 
were your biggest takeaways from

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The Invisible Thread by yoshiko 
Lukens? 

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So, that is my favorite book of 
all time. 

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Actually. 
It's about, it's a first-hand 

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account of Japanese internment 
during World War Two, And 

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there's not a lot of literature 
on that. 

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Um, it was about a girl who is 
autobiographical girl who I 

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think was maybe in Heist. 
I think I'm high school during 

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World War Two and her. 
Family from California was all 

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uprooted and sent to I think 
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So basically everyone on the 
west coast got shoved into like 

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the desert. 
So they're not even their home 

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state anymore. 
Sure. 

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The second generation Japanese 
immigrant had like literally 

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zero ties to any type of spy 
thing. 

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I think later on, they found out
that the only spies for Japan. 

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They found were like white 
Americans, like they weren't 

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even like Japanese immigrants at
all. 

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So it's just like really crazy. 
But um, you know, You're 

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researching things like Japanese
internment. 

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I feel like history is pretty 
whitewash. 

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I don't mean that in like a 
racially way but just like, in a

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way that's like, you know, they 
make it sound a lot nicer than 

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it really was. 
So she talked about living in 

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horse Barracks because she was 
staying on a repurpose, like 

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force Racetrack and everything 
was just like nasty and gross. 

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And it really at a young age. 
It opened my eyes to like the 

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horrible things. 
Our country has done, you know, 

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based on people's nationality or
race. 

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Yeah, definitely getting those 
first hands account, sort of 

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like, makes it real, like, if 
you were to hear about 120,000 

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were kidnapped and intern or, 
you know, King Leopold killed, 

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you know, a million people in 
the Congo. 

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It's really hard one that I 
never learned about in school. 

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I really had to research that by
myself. 

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It's like it's really hard to 
make that real in your head 

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killed a million people. 
But when you see, you know, the 

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cops killing Kelly Thomas or 
Eric Garner. 

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It's like, wow, that really is a
Go of state power. 

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So, it actually gives Credence 
to the one deaths as a tragedy. 

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A million deaths is a statistic.
That's why I think it's so 

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important to read books. 
Like that. 

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I had never heard of this. 
This is definitely something I 

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want to look into. 
But yeah, looking into the 

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crimes of the state. 
And, you know, really any person

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who believes in, who doesn't 
recognize the self-ownership 

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principle. 
It's so important because it 

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makes their aggression real and 
it's so much more motivating 

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than, you know, statistics or 
anything like that. 

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At any final words on that book.
I just highly recommend that 

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anyone read it because it's very
interesting. 

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It's not like a boring like 
historical. 

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It is not a fiction but it 
starts off. 

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When she's a child. 
I really feel minimizes the 

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event because it starts off 
like, you know, just growing up 

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in a normal American Family. 
Basically a little bit of, you 

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know, ignorance here and there, 
but not full-blown of racism 

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until World War Two came around,
until the government. 

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Rounded everybody up, treated 
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gave each family as serial 
number' stuff like that. 

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I mean, It makes me it makes me 
think about the Holocaust how 

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each person was given a number 
and just taken away from their 

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family and shoved into these 
Barracks. 

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It just it made me feel horrible
to read it because it starts 

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officer innocent, young girl, by
the end of the book. 

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She was like this hardened woman
who had to get like a special 

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Work Release to even get off of 
the base where she was at to go.

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Be a teacher, and it was just 
like, I don't know, it's always 

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really hot to me. 
And so anyone who's interested 

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in learning about Japanese 
internment or just the culture 

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around World War Two Out. 
Would highly recommend it and 

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again, it's pretty easy, reads 
pretty short book. 

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What was the biggest takeaway 
for you by Boy by Ronald doll. 

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So rolled out is one of my 
favorite authors ever since I 

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was a kid. 
So again, there's a lot of 

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nostalgia with that and I also 
really like autobiographies. 

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So it's also autobiography and 
it just talks about him growing 

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up in Europe, mostly Norway and 
I just really like it's not 

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political at all, so I don't 
Like relevance this podcast and 

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all, but it's just like one of 
my favorite all-time books, 

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because I really like, all the 
other stuff, here is Rin. 

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So I just like reading about 
authors and stuff. 

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So, yeah, I'm not sure why I 
invented an n in the middle of 

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his name, Roald Dahl, you know, 
I've heard it, but when I wrote 

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this down, I haven't put it in 
right there. 

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So what do what is the plot of 
the book? 

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It just kind of goes into again.
It starts when he's a kid talks 

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about like a lot of deaths in 
his family getting sick as a kid

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moving around schools, a lot 
because I believe it was his 

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father who died pretty young. 
And so he moved from Norway to 

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England, just like hardships 
going through that and this and 

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talked about how he decided to 
start writing and Publishing 

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children's books. 
I like all his books are 

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probably read like every single 
World Outlook. 

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So yeah, it's just honestly, 
it's I feel like it's not that 

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interesting unless you're like a
big roll dolphin because just 

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like his life and stuff, but I 
really like it. 

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What was the biggest takeaway 
from Uncle? 

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Tom's Cabin by Harriet Beecher 
Stowe. 

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That's another book. 
I read in school. 

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I think it might have been my 
freshman year of college as 

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well. 
But I really liked it because I 

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had always meant to say, was 
actually kind of funny because I

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had always been called like an 
Uncle Tom and stuff in high 

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school. 
When I was like, more 

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conservative people, don't know,
you're an Uncle Tom. 

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And I was like, what is that 
means? 

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I read the book. 
And Uncle Tom's, not even a bad 

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character in the book. 
He is like not I don't 

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understand why there's such an 
evil connotation to it. 

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And so it Biggest takeaway was 
that it was kind of a compliment

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to be called Uncle, Tom, because
of Korean people didn't read the

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book, including people, who 
didn't understand the lesson of 

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the book. 
Uncle Tom was a black slave at 

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the time who ended up dying in a
pretty, I believe he died at the

455
00:23:05,900 --> 00:23:08,400
end of the book, but it was 
like, it wasn't like the 

456
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,600
connotation is like a Uncle. 
Tom has like a sellout looking 

457
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,100
race traitor, you know, and the,
the book completely just like 

458
00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:16,300
kind of dispelled them, isn't? 
It was just like, really weird 

459
00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:18,900
kid was actually a pretty brave.
Her in the book. 

460
00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:23,700
I want to get into some of your 
influences. 

461
00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:27,700
What do you think is a a great 
contribution that Thomas Massie 

462
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,200
has made to the Freedom 
Movement. 

463
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,800
He says awesome. 
He's my favorite Congressman. 

464
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,600
There's really is no one. 
I think that even comes close to

465
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,300
him in terms of US 
representatives. 

466
00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:43,000
I like his personality. 
I like that. 

467
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,800
He lives off the grid on a ranch
with like solar panels and stuff

468
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,400
and this is completely like Rely
on the government. 

469
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,100
That is honestly my dream. 
I dream about having a ranch 

470
00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:53,400
with solar panels. 
Honestly. 

471
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,100
I like his social media. 
He post really funny stuff and 

472
00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:02,100
an educational way, like, he 
makes libertarianism seem kind 

473
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:06,500
of fun to me in a way. 
So, yeah, I think he's just an 

474
00:24:06,500 --> 00:24:09,300
inspiration. 
I think he is proof that there 

475
00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:11,100
can be Liberty Republicans, 
because I'm not even a 

476
00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:14,300
republican, but I've worked on 
Republican races and people 

477
00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:16,900
criticize me and be like, well, 
there's no, there's no true 

478
00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:19,100
libertarian to the GPS. 
Some possible for the return to 

479
00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:22,700
get to do people, you know, Tom,
Thomas Massie, is proof of that.

480
00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:27,000
So I feel really inspired by it.
Oh, yeah, whenever raw we would 

481
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:31,900
do events with turning-point USA
or young Republicans at Arizona,

482
00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:33,800
State or Grand Canyon 
University. 

483
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,800
There were so many allies there 
and a lot of them were even and 

484
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,400
caps who are like, you know 
what, this is just a big group 

485
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,900
that I could help influence and 
we have a lot in common and also

486
00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:45,800
it's nice to make friends along 
the way. 

487
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,800
I so want to build a vengeance. 
Republican party and the lp and 

488
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,000
wherever you can, I don't think 
that the put all our eggs in one

489
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,100
basket, you know, I think we can
definitely build coalitions in 

490
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:57,200
the Republican Party. 
Exactly. 

491
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,600
And I'm thankful that people 
love, you know, took the time to

492
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,700
speak to me when I was a 
Democrat when I was first 

493
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:05,500
getting into politics, because I
never would have been. 

494
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,200
I never would have been 
introduced to the ideas in the 

495
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,900
first place. 
What was something you learned 

496
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:17,000
from Scott, Horton. 
So, I've been a fan of Scott 

497
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,000
Warren. 
This is Last year and I just 

498
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,600
ordered his book. 
I haven't got it yet. 

499
00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:26,300
I just ordered his book enough 
already about ending, ending the

500
00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:28,700
wars and stuff, and I really 
wanted to read it. 

501
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:32,700
But I've been following social 
media for a while, but I really 

502
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:36,400
consider myself a true fan when 
I saw him speak in person and 

503
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,000
Orlando at the Young Americans 
for Liberty, like Revolution 

504
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,300
conference, which was about a 
month ago, and it blew my mind 

505
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:45,400
because I already knew I was 
anti-war at that point. 

506
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,000
I already knew I was not for the
military-industrial. 

507
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:50,900
Complex already knew a lot of 
the stuff that he was talking 

508
00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:52,600
about. 
But again, he broke it down away

509
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,600
from me that just really blew my
mind and I didn't know about 

510
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,900
like the sheer numbers of war 
crimes in the sheer numbers of 

511
00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:01,800
Civilian deaths and things that 
when you get really specific 

512
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,800
make the issue seemed even worse
and it is that bad and so when 

513
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,000
he was getting a just starting 
off statistics and spine out off

514
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,200
facts about just how much money 
the military-industrial complex 

515
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,300
ways. 
How many people are killed 

516
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:17,600
civilians are killed each year 
by the military industrial 

517
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,300
complex. 
That's how many veterans lives 

518
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:22,400
are ruined, too, because we 
provide them like, basically no 

519
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,300
Aftercare for whatever. 
I mean, we'd already talked 

520
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:28,200
about the VA and how horrible 
that is, but in terms of mental 

521
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,100
health as well. 
We just let them be homeless 

522
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:33,100
and, you know, commit suicide, 
and ruin their lives. 

523
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:36,300
And it's just like, the way he 
talked about it made me really 

524
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:39,700
angry, and I don't get angry in 
politics that often because I 

525
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:43,400
feel like it's bad to have 
visceral reactions to things 

526
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,300
just, you know, like, I guess 
it's like, fax over feelings. 

527
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:48,900
When I heard those facts. 
I became Emotional sitting in 

528
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:54,200
the audience and then I actually
ran into him, kind of on 9/11, 

529
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,900
because he was at the end of 
them. 

530
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,800
Whereas rally in DC. 
I don't know who's going to be 

531
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,900
there. 
So, I show up there and see 

532
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:02,700
Scott horn. 
I wasn't fully Starstruck. 

533
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:04,400
I wasn't man enough to go up to 
this guy. 

534
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,300
Like he doesn't know who I am. 
I'm not want to bother him. 

535
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,700
And I heard from other people 
that he's not like, I don't 

536
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:13,000
think it's a grumpy guy, but I 
heard from people that he's kind

537
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,100
of intending to talk to. 
So I was like, oh man, I really 

538
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:18,900
don't want to bother this guy. 
So I just let him You know, I'm 

539
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:20,800
seeing the audience like 
reporting his speech because I 

540
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,200
really wanted to save it for 
later because again, he did a 

541
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,500
really great job. 
And then like the day after I 

542
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:29,300
get home. 
He like DM me on forever. 

543
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:31,100
I was like, hey, I'm starting a 
chance to talk to you. 

544
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:35,900
I was like, you know what? 
I feel so stupid now for not 

545
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:38,300
talking to him. 
But yeah, he's he's influenced 

546
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:39,700
me a lot. 
And made me a lot more 

547
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:42,500
passionate about ending the 
wars, to be honest. 

548
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:47,900
Yeah, so I want to get into what
it was that sort of motivated. 

549
00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:52,400
You to really be against this 
against the, you know, war 

550
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,500
machine is such a strong man 
term against the general foreign

551
00:27:56,500 --> 00:28:00,400
policy that the US has had since
I don't know, Woodrow Wilson or 

552
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,100
probably the Spanish-American 
War. 

553
00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:08,900
So you mentioned the statistics 
of us, the statistics of the 

554
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:12,700
civilians killed in the overseas
Adventures. 

555
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:14,200
What? 
What else was it? 

556
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,200
This is God, funny. 
But back when I was like in high

557
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,600
school / like freshman in 
college. 

558
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,800
I would like date military guys 
for some reason, and then they 

559
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,500
would all say shit. 
Sorry. 

560
00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:28,000
I didn't say, I had to be a 
cousin. 

561
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,400
You're sorry. 
Then also, I don't know if I can

562
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,100
cause but they were all say 
stuff like, oh, I just like, 

563
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:35,600
can't wait to like, you know, 
just go over there and like 

564
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,000
shoot people and like, pick up a
guy. 

565
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,100
I feel like, that's kind of 
weird. 

566
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:41,500
Like, I don't know. 
I don't know why you want to do 

567
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:44,900
that. 
And this one guy, he was like. 

568
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:48,200
Obsessed with like being on the 
front lines and picking up a gun

569
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,900
when shooting people. 
And I was like, I don't know. 

570
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,400
I really don't like that 
sentiment. 

571
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,600
We ended up breaking up and I 
that I really took a long hard 

572
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,500
look at it. 
I was like, why is the military 

573
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,200
recruiting these kids and 
telling them they can go over 

574
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,300
there and kill people and it's 
acting like they're taking their

575
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:04,800
frustration out just by going 
around. 

576
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,000
Telling you I was like damn we 
are definitely recruiting the 

577
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,300
wrong types of people and for 
the wrong reasons, they're 

578
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:14,800
really motivated me to really 
look into a deeper and there. 

579
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,400
I think it's something like 90% 
of drone strike deaths. 

580
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,000
Are civilian deaths. 
It's like something crazy like 

581
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,300
that. 
And once I knew that I was like,

582
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:27,300
yeah, I cannot, I cannot support
this. 

583
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:30,300
And at the time I was, I was not
a republican, I was so 

584
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:32,300
independent, but I was 
definitely more leading to that 

585
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:36,900
side. 
And then I just, I couldn't deal

586
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:38,800
with the War mongers. 
I just couldn't deal with the 

587
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,000
people that I criticized and 
Crenshaw pretty frequently 

588
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,200
because he's a pretty big 
warmonger and he's a veteran. 

589
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,700
So, I do like his opinion more 
than like Ben Shapiro who wants 

590
00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:50,200
to send kids to die over there 
and has never served himself, 

591
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:53,700
but still. 
When Dan crunch I was talking 

592
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:56,200
about how we should never have 
class Candace and because 

593
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,900
they're gonna make another 9/11,
or women are not going to have 

594
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:01,700
rides. 
I'm just, like, 90% of drone 

595
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,400
strike, does our civilian wheel 
of billions of dollars of 

596
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,900
equipment there. 
We basically armed Taliban, and 

597
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,300
that's not really the fault of 
people who wanted to pull out. 

598
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:13,500
That's the fault of the people 
who bashed the pullout. 

599
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:15,800
I really think. 
And this is my conspiracy brain 

600
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,000
talking, but I really feel like 
they purposely Bosh, the plot so

601
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,600
bad that we would have to go 
back. 

602
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:25,300
I really believe that. 
Um, yeah, there's a, it's kind 

603
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:27,300
of funny how it's done for me 
like not liking this guy. 

604
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,900
I was dating for saying, like 
crazy stuff about killing people

605
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:33,200
in the Middle East. 
And then I'd let me to look 

606
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,300
deeper into it and be like, 
completely against the military 

607
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:38,900
industrial complex. 
But like I said, I didn't really

608
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:42,000
get emotional about it until I 
heard Scott for and talk about 

609
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,600
it because he just talked about 
so Much Death and so many war 

610
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,400
crimes and I was just like it's 
one of those things that you 

611
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,200
just don't want to believe that 
your country that you love is 

612
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,900
capable of doing, you know, 
definitely. 

613
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,100
Yeah, there's something I think 
it's called the Washington 

614
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:59,700
Monument strategy. 
So like whenever governments 

615
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:03,400
want to you know, really secure 
their funding. 

616
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,600
They do something to really hurt
the public in order to get the 

617
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,800
public to sympathize with 
funding them more. 

618
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,600
The biggest example was what 
they tried to do in Waco, which 

619
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,600
was fake, save a bunch of kids 
from what they were calling an 

620
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800
abusive, you know, religion 
religious cult. 

621
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,700
Little did they know that they 
would actually be met with a 

622
00:31:23,708 --> 00:31:27,800
little resistance. 
And the reason it's the 

623
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,300
Washington Monument is because 
when they wanted to cut like 1% 

624
00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:34,700
of the billions of dollars of 
parks budgets that most of which

625
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,500
is, you know, wasted of course. 
The first thing they do is they 

626
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,000
shut down access to the 
Washington Monument. 

627
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,400
This way, people who traveled 
all over to go to Washington, 

628
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,300
d.c. 
To see the monument when they 

629
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:48,700
were like, oh, well, this is 
what happens when you want to 

630
00:31:48,708 --> 00:31:50,800
cut funding. 
So we really need to support 

631
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:52,700
Funding. 
They want to make it the most 

632
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:56,100
visible thing. 
They can this way, people are 

633
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,800
sympathetic. 
So when you know, lack of 

634
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,200
military intervention leads to 
Isis who they explicitly armed, 

635
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,500
and operation Timber, Sycamore 
in Syria and Libya and sided 

636
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,700
with them and Yemen, of course, 
you know what, when the Taliban 

637
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:12,600
gets a bunch of guns and 
weapons. 

638
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,900
It's like well too bad. 
A terrible thing happened. 

639
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:18,200
And long story short. 
We need more power. 

640
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:19,600
Yeah. 
I'm shocked. 

641
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,700
I'm sure they'll literally I've 
dozens of military dogs in cages

642
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:25,900
for to let the Taliban like do 
whatever they want to them and 

643
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:29,600
be like, oh my God, that's how 
about a star, dogs, crazy to go 

644
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,900
back. 
Like yo left. 

645
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:33,700
Yo left them there. 
You botched it. 

646
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:35,800
You completely botched. 
I think we're going to be back 

647
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,400
within the next five years. 
To be honest. 

648
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,200
I had my it's going to be 
horrible. 

649
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,300
One of the big reasons that guys
want to go into the military is 

650
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:49,100
definitely because, you know, it
gets the attention of a lot of 

651
00:32:49,108 --> 00:32:51,400
good-looking women. 
If you watch a lot, lot of the, 

652
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,700
you know, Soldier returns home 
in a surprise thing, the women 

653
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:59,800
tend to be very gorgeous. 
What do you think about, why do 

654
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,700
you think it is that women tend 
to be attracted to the sort of 

655
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,600
the, the soldier or policeman 
for me? 

656
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,300
So I think I did like to 
military guys like back to back,

657
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:15,700
but I wouldn't say it's cause 
they're military. 

658
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:18,200
It just so happened. 
That like, in high school like 

659
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,800
college. 
I look exclusively did address 

660
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,800
or because I was on the 
wrestling. 

661
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,000
And a lot of brothers ended 
wine, the military Justice is a 

662
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,300
very physically demanding sport 
and a lot of them are very 

663
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:30,200
conservative. 
I think a lot of wrestlers at 

664
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,500
least in my area that a lot of 
them were like Republican or 

665
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:35,500
conservative, just because I my 
theory about it, is that recipe 

666
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:37,600
takes a lot of hard work. 
So people have really like clear

667
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,000
self up by the bootstraps like 
very that type of authoritarian 

668
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,700
mentality or whatever, which is 
like, I'm not judging that I 

669
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:47,100
have kind of a pull yourself up 
by your bootstraps mentality as 

670
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:51,300
well, like personally, so that's
why I kind of Starting with 

671
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:55,100
military guys, but for other 
people, I mean, there's a lot of

672
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:56,500
benefits. 
I don't know if you heard like 

673
00:33:56,500 --> 00:34:00,300
the mean like dependent, which 
is like a military wife, who 

674
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:04,200
just wants to depend on, like 
the Tricare, the benefits, The 

675
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,600
House of the offices, get to 
live in all that kind of stuff 

676
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:11,100
went to live on base. 
What that 50%, military discount

677
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,500
when I worked at a restaurant. 
My freshman year of high school 

678
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:18,300
or my freshman year of college. 
We had a 15% military military 

679
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:20,800
discount like most restaurants. 
Do we have a lot of military? 

680
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,199
Wise come in and try to use that
discount but that's not how it 

681
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,500
works. 
It's for veterans or active 

682
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:28,300
duty. 
People in the reserves are 

683
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:31,600
people who actually serve. 
And so, I'm not saying that a 

684
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,000
lot all military wiser like 
that, but I would say, the 

685
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,699
reason that they get married so 
young stereotypically is because

686
00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:40,300
they like the benefits, you 
know. 

687
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,000
Well, I mean, it's definitely 
tempting. 

688
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,300
Is there anything unattractive 
about a guy who signs up for a 

689
00:34:49,308 --> 00:34:53,699
position and This has to take 
orders from like the most evil 

690
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:55,699
people on earth. 
Does that ever enter into the 

691
00:34:55,699 --> 00:35:01,900
equation? 
Yeah, so that the last military 

692
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:04,600
guy that guy did he's actually 
really great guy, really good 

693
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,700
guy, but I wasn't like super on 
board with like the government 

694
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:12,100
owning him. 
So I was just like that's going 

695
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:13,900
to anyone say a lot of state is 
stuff. 

696
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:16,800
Like, you know, I just want you 
know, Uncle Sam like Owens my 

697
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:17,400
ass. 
Now. 

698
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,800
I just want to go over there 
like protect this country and 

699
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,400
shoot and kill people that are 
set to this country. 

700
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,700
I want to fight for freedom. 
I was looking for Freedom. 

701
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:27,700
Look, how are you fighting for 
freedom? 

702
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:31,300
I was genuinely confused, and he
could really expand to me and he

703
00:35:31,308 --> 00:35:33,100
just wrote me off his deal with 
it down libertarian. 

704
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:36,200
And this is before I even 
identified as a Libertarian or 

705
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,800
Nothing, like that was still 
don't really know what that was.

706
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,100
I was still a conservative, but 
I was questioning the government

707
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,900
and it definitely is, it made me
more attracted to him. 

708
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,300
You know, I was just like, ah, I
don't know II. 

709
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:53,600
Appreciate guys, for the really 
individualistic not necessary. 

710
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,500
Part of like a hive mind, 
especially when that high of 

711
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:58,400
mine is in the government. 
So, I'm, like, I don't fault 

712
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,300
anybody for being a veteran. 
I appreciate veterans. 

713
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:03,600
I'm a veteran to be treated 
better, the whole nine yards, 

714
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:08,700
but there's a certain mentality.
Some people have when they want 

715
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:12,600
to start to, you know, fighting 
the military that I just really,

716
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,500
really not attracted to. 
I just really, I feel like I 

717
00:36:15,508 --> 00:36:17,100
find it very status. 
Honestly. 

718
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,800
Did you ever talk to a military 
member that mentioned, blowback 

719
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:27,600
that the reason, you know, Bin 
Laden and zawahiri are able to 

720
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,000
recruit people is because of 
supporting Israel, occupying, 

721
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,600
Saudi Arabia and Iraq e 
sanctions in the 90s, did that 

722
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,400
ever come up? 
Up or cross their mind. 

723
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:42,200
I don't think I had a 
conversation that deep with 

724
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,000
anyone in the military, to be 
honest. 

725
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,000
I don't think so. 
I don't recall. 

726
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:51,200
All right, I'm sorry. 
If going deep on, that was what 

727
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,600
was annoying. 
I was just curious. 

728
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,000
No. 
No, it's cool. 

729
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,400
It's cool. 
I just think it's funny. 

730
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,100
How me like the Journey of me. 
Like realizing the Eagles, a 

731
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:01,800
military industrial complex was 
like, did a military guy who's 

732
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,900
like really, really liked it. 
And I was like, I don't really 

733
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:08,700
mess with that. 
So yeah, what Was, what are some

734
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:11,600
major things you learn from the 
work of Spike Cohen? 

735
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,300
I love Spike spike is like my 
favorite person to hear speak. 

736
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,300
I watch like a ton of his 
podcast and stuff. 

737
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:23,000
He was on my podcast like 
several months ago and I met him

738
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,100
in person in Miami like two 
weeks ago. 

739
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:28,700
I was at monster a solution or 
Summit. 

740
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:32,300
I was on a panel as a speaker. 
I told IDM Spike. 

741
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,500
I was like, are you trying to 
pull up to this guy's lawyer in 

742
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,800
Miami on the same weekend? 
It was like Labor Day weekend, I

743
00:37:36,808 --> 00:37:39,800
think and he was like, yeah. 
I've been my wife Tasha. 

744
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,200
And I was like, okay cool. 
So we actually put on I'm really

745
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,400
expecting to, and we're like 
best friends. 

746
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,800
Now. 
We're just talking about like 

747
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,700
libertarian stuff, his most 
amazing, like a bunch of, like 

748
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:53,600
dumb dad jokes. 
Now, there's a running joke that

749
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,300
I'm his daughter because 
honestly, if I stand next to any

750
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,500
like interracial couple, I just 
look like their kids. 

751
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:03,800
So I was standing next to Tasha 
and Spike Absolution Airy Summit

752
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,700
and they had they left because I
had to go to different events 

753
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:08,900
because that's me as like are 
those our parents love it. 

754
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:13,200
I was like, yes. 
Those are my parents. 

755
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:17,900
And so the next night I get 
dinner with him at this Pro like

756
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:21,100
freedom for Cuba, an event, 
which was also ran by some 

757
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:25,000
Libertarians down in Miami. 
And we ended up taking a selfie 

758
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,800
with him and his wife and I just
posted it on Twitter with the 

759
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,600
caption. 
Oh my God, my parents came to 

760
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,000
see me the solution area Summit 
and he quotes we did. 

761
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,200
It say that. 
Oh, we would do anything for you

762
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,900
like hashtag family, and not 
everything sets of iPhone is my 

763
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:40,200
dad. 
So he's less of an influence now

764
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,100
and more of a father. 
You're so to speak. 

765
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:48,000
So that's, that's a great segue 
to what you got to go from 

766
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,200
stranger to friend to Father 
Figure. 

767
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,900
That's yeah, but I really that 
some games, kiddo. 

768
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:56,600
I'm with Tasha and humor. 
I like I, it's so believable. 

769
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,100
It's it looks so real. 
It's so funny. 

770
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,900
He's far as if you had to pick, 
you know, well one person to run

771
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:09,300
in the lp for president. 
Not because oh, we're going to 

772
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:12,300
win sometime soon. 
For the sake of Using it as a 

773
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,200
platform to communicate the idea
of freedom to people. 

774
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,000
Who would you prefer Spike Owen 
or Dave Smith? 

775
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,000
Our first bite Cullen. 
It's not really a distant 

776
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,700
dismissed by it is just I think 
very good at explaining things 

777
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:29,500
to people and I just maybe have 
a washing off of Dave, Smith's 

778
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:32,700
content by just going to spice, 
probably better at that and 

779
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:35,200
spice to this thing to me. 
I think he said it before online

780
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,800
and stuff, but he really wants 
to appeal to like the average 

781
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,100
Suburban soccer mom. 
Because if you could explain 

782
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,100
things to that, Was Suburban 
soccer mom? 

783
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,600
They will go on Facebook and 
they will be very, very 

784
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,900
passionate about it. 
And you can just take over the 

785
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,400
country by explaining things to 
like the norm easiest of the 

786
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,600
normies. 
And I don't think Dave Smith 

787
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,800
appeals to the normies that 
much. 

788
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,800
And that's where again, it's not
any shade towards him. 

789
00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:00,400
He's just a little bit more 
edgier and his fan base is a 

790
00:40:00,408 --> 00:40:03,300
little bit more edgier. 
I follow the guy like I again, 

791
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:05,900
it's not like me having a 
problem with him, but I do think

792
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:10,400
that spike is pretty valuable at
engaging with the general 

793
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,500
populace, you know. 
Yeah, I was at a Libertarian 

794
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:20,000
meet up at at the beer Research 
Institute and Germany. 

795
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,500
Todd and myself were like very 
hard in the Dave Smith camp and 

796
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:28,600
I think like every single other 
person their wanted Spike Owen 

797
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,600
to run over Dave and their main,
their main criticism was that 

798
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:41,100
Dave is not as sensitive to, you
know, gay groups, transgender 

799
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:43,700
groups. 
You know, the the African 

800
00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:47,600
American issue, you know, black 
studies, this kind of thing. 

801
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:51,000
Not that the progressives are 
right about it. 

802
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:54,100
They're wrong about almost every
aspect of it. 

803
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,900
But that Dave showed like no 
sympathy at all where a spike 

804
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:01,600
does and still thinks that he 
has a better approach to it. 

805
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,900
Do you see that at all, or that 
I just happened upon a people 

806
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:11,500
all of whom were wrong, and I'm 
not saying that this myth is a 

807
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:14,100
ray. 
This time off of whatever, but 

808
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:17,200
Spike does do a better job at 
communicating to those 

809
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,700
demographics. 
I understand Dave is probably 

810
00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:21,600
not trying to do that. 
And a lot of people on the 

811
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,400
right, those tips. 
Oh, well, that's identity 

812
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,700
politics without understand that
most of our Graphics are not 

813
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:28,000
going to give up identity 
politics. 

814
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,200
You just have to appeal to that.
So, addressing issues that the 

815
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,700
black community specifically, 
has addressing issues at the gay

816
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:38,300
community, specifically has. 
I don't think there's a negative

817
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:39,700
2. 
I think it's actually necessary 

818
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:44,700
to win an election and Honestly,
when I met so I didn't talk 

819
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:48,900
about any like, racial or like, 
like gay issues or anything like

820
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:49,900
that. 
So I don't think it's something 

821
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:51,500
that he puts it like the 
Forefront. 

822
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:53,900
That was personally, but he can 
talk about and he can relate to 

823
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:55,900
people. 
He can go into the hood and can 

824
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:58,500
go into urban communities and 
really, really relate and I can 

825
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:00,400
tell that he's genuine when he 
does that. 

826
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,900
What are some of the biggest 
things you learned from Hannah 

827
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:08,500
Cox. 
So Hannah, as you probably know,

828
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:12,700
is at fee as well. 
She is one of my My bosses. 

829
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:15,700
And before I worked at fee, I 
really, really liked her on 

830
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:18,200
social media. 
I've been following her for 

831
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:19,500
well, over a year. 
Pretty sure. 

832
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:23,500
Probably closer to two years and
I just thought she was really, 

833
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:26,700
really just a really strong. 
I had to use like the cliche but

834
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:28,200
look really strong independent 
women. 

835
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,900
Like she really just seemed like
she knows she was talking about,

836
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
she produces her own content. 
She deals with the haters online

837
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,500
and we don't even agree on 
everything. 

838
00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:37,300
I think she's more of a 
progressive libertarian than I 

839
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:39,900
am. 
But I just love seeing women and

840
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:41,600
like a male dominated political 
space. 

841
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:44,600
Like really succeed and really 
thrive in really not care what 

842
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,300
people think about them and 
really put their ideas out there

843
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:51,900
because my ideas, maybe more, 
maybe, maybe more controversial.

844
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:54,600
I don't really know but you 
generally has controversial 

845
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,900
ideas. 
This is not popular for a 

846
00:42:55,908 --> 00:42:58,100
younger woman to be a 
Libertarian. 

847
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,200
So I decide I really appreciate 
it for that. 

848
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,000
And then she had reached out to 
me, several months back and 

849
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,700
asked me to apply for the 
Haslett Fellowship. 

850
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:07,400
So, I did, and now we work 
pretty closely together. 

851
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,100
I've met her. 
I also met her at the Americans,

852
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:12,300
for Liberty event in Orlando. 
Really nice. 

853
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:15,100
What do you think are some of 
her best topics? 

854
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:17,300
I know. 
I know that I scrolled through 

855
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:19,700
her fee page. 
Some time ago. 

856
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:22,900
She wrote a nice little piece on
every time. 

857
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:26,400
Rand Paul is faced fauci. 
But Paul has gotten the best of 

858
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,700
them and it's like everything. 
It's like every six months Paul 

859
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:32,100
and fauci face off and Rand has 
proven, right? 

860
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:34,200
Like within a month. 
What do you think? 

861
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,900
Are us some of her best things 
if I want to look more into her.

862
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,500
So we coauthored a really good 
article I think too. 

863
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:45,100
They're about the racist history
of gun control in America, and 

864
00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:50,400
it was aimed to dispelled this 
article from the ACLU saying 

865
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,600
that the Second Amendment is 
racist and that it appeals to 

866
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,200
like white supremacist 
essentially, which was like that

867
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,900
wasn't stupid. 
I mean, it was kind of like, it 

868
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:01,600
was kind of like a knockout 
article just because the premise

869
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,300
was so like literally just so 
dumb, but she didn't like 

870
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:08,100
really, really fantastic job. 
Like breaking it down because I 

871
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:11,600
had wrote more about the 
history. 

872
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:14,700
History like the history of gun 
control and how racist it 

873
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:18,500
actually was but she went and 
took a further analysis about 

874
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:21,200
it. 
I just thought like the way I am

875
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,500
really trying to get to where 
she is at her level of 

876
00:44:23,508 --> 00:44:25,600
Journalism though. 
She just breaks down topics with

877
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,500
so much ease. 
But so specifically, I just, I 

878
00:44:28,508 --> 00:44:30,200
just, I think she's great at 
writing about it. 

879
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,300
So, gun control is one of the 
issues where I would like to see

880
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:36,700
more articles from her on and 
you will had also mentioned that

881
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:40,200
your grandfather was very 
inspirational to where you are. 

882
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,400
Now, what were some of Rob 
biggest influences or some of 

883
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,400
the biggest takeaways you got 
from your grandfather. 

884
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:52,400
So, my grandfather is one of the
most amazing people. 

885
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,700
I know, I'm not just because 
you're my grandfather, but he's 

886
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:59,300
an Air Force, veteran. 
He grew up during segregation. 

887
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,900
I, he's told me many stories 
about being being discriminated 

888
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:07,200
against looking to try to get 
lunch or on public 

889
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,200
transportation. 
When he's literally in his full 

890
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,200
dress, like Air Force, uniform 
and people don't Really care, if

891
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,700
you're black, they didn't trust 
you with equal, even if you were

892
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:18,200
actively serving your country. 
And so that really opened my 

893
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:23,200
eyes to race relations in this 
country, how hard it was? 

894
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,400
Where we came from. 
And really made me appreciate my

895
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,900
grandfather's generation, just 
like so much more hearing about 

896
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:33,900
that kind of stuff. 
He later became a civil rights 

897
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:37,800
activist it or advocate. 
He worked in. 

898
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,700
I believe it was d.c. 
Government. 

899
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:45,000
I'm working to provide like 
equal opportunities for public 

900
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,100
transportation for minorities 
here. 

901
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,000
So, I just be huhs. 
Very, very inspirational and 

902
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000
later. 
He became an author and it's 

903
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,200
funny because I'm pretty sure 
you both Democrat, but we agree 

904
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,700
on, like, 90% of the issues. 
And I'm just like, you know, 

905
00:45:59,700 --> 00:46:02,400
what, all black and we're just 
gonna vote Democrat and there's 

906
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,000
nothing I can do to change that,
but I we're still going to have 

907
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,000
great conversations about 
politics and he's still huge 

908
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,700
inspiration to me. 
So yeah. 

909
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:14,900
All very often whatever politics
is involved in something. 

910
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:18,600
It becomes totally corrupted. 
Even if there are genuine, you 

911
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,900
know, issues in a certain area. 
So people are ignorant, but the,

912
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:25,600
you know, government schools are
of course, not the answer 

913
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,300
terrorism exists, but the war on
terror is evil and counter 

914
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:31,400
productive. 
Of course, there have been 

915
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,400
terrible game is treatment 
historically, but you know, the 

916
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,400
lgbtq Democratic Alliance is a 
complete fraud, all this 

917
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,100
terrible nonsense. 
If You are able to communicate 

918
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,400
any racial issues without, you 
know, having the, you know, 

919
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:50,800
million Progressive lies that 
usually come along with it. 

920
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,000
What would you say is something 
important that people should 

921
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,700
know about the racial issue or 
any history with regard to 

922
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:00,500
America? 
Yeah. 

923
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:04,300
So one of the most, one of the 
things I'm most passionate about

924
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:08,200
is is the Second Amendment even 
though I'm like not a 

925
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,000
constitutionalist anymore, but 
the thing is how useless but I 

926
00:47:11,008 --> 00:47:15,800
Am Second Amendment absolutist. 
I do think that gun control are 

927
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,800
like any little bit of gun 
control. 

928
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,000
Whether it be a bum, stock ban 
or a semi-automatic weapon ban 

929
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,300
or open carry, but I think 
that's all an infringement. 

930
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,700
And so that goes back to what I 
was telling you about the 

931
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:31,200
article that I wrote with Hannah
Cox about the racist, history of

932
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,900
gun control. 
And I really enjoy talking about

933
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:39,500
how existing gun control 
legislation we have today was 

934
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:42,100
originally written to disk. 
Franchise black people, 

935
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:45,100
specifically, like, how open 
carry is a, is banned in 

936
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:47,200
California, because Ronald 
Reagan didn't like that. 

937
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,700
The black bears were cop 
watching while open carrying in 

938
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:52,900
their neighborhoods. 
So, I talked about that a lot 

939
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:56,500
and I really emphasize this to 
conservatives and liberals 

940
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:58,200
because it appeals to them in 
different ways. 

941
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,100
Consumers, do not like gun 
control, but a lot of them will 

942
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:03,500
say, oh well, racism is a 
probably more sign affecting 

943
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:05,600
people today. 
Systemic racism is a real and I 

944
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,800
reject that notion because there
are systems of Oppression who 

945
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,900
like gun control, I think, The 
abortion industry is / Planned 

946
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,700
Parenthood is another one. 
I think the War on Drugs is 

947
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:19,000
another one that laws and 
policies and institutions were 

948
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,200
put into place to affect black 
people disproportionately. 

949
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,400
And now today this tree they do 
affect everybody but I do think 

950
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,200
they still affect Urban and 
black communities more. 

951
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,100
So, so I do talk about that 
pretty frequently. 

952
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:31,600
And when I try to appeal to 
liberals, I'm like, hey, you 

953
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,100
guys hate racism, right? 
Well, here is a law that 

954
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:37,700
disproportionately affects black
people and it's not about 

955
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:40,800
affirmative action or anything 
crazy. 

956
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,600
It's literally about our 
constitutional rights. 

957
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,100
So that's what I like to bring 
up, often. 

958
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,700
Do you have an elevator pitch? 
Let's, let's talk about the left

959
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:54,000
and the right. 
If you had like a quick elevator

960
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,600
pitch, for why? 
Someone who was a leftist why 

961
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,000
they should embrace the freedom 
ideology. 

962
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,000
What would you say to them in a 
short amount of time? 

963
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,600
I would say anything. 
I would say that freedom is the 

964
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,900
most closest to equality, you 
can get because they always talk

965
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:13,100
about Equity. 
They always talk about equality,

966
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,400
but I think that the only form 
of equality that is truly equal.

967
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,600
Is the equality of opportunity? 
You, there is no equality of 

968
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,900
outcome. 
You can't have somebody over 

969
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:24,400
your head controlling the 
outcome. 

970
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,000
That's just not how anything 
works. 

971
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,500
If you look at history. 
That's not how it works. 

972
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:31,600
We already talked about animal 
farm and the premise of that is 

973
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,100
We have this great plan and 
everyone's going to be equal 

974
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:37,700
ever to have a great time, 
except we're rich up here and 

975
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:40,600
you guys are all equally poor 
and that's generally how it 

976
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,100
works. 
So I've definitely spoke to a 

977
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:47,100
few more liberal friends. 
I want to say as I've convinced 

978
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:49,400
hardcore left as it was just 
because I don't really have 

979
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,100
hardcore left as friends, but my
more liberal friends who are 

980
00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:55,800
saying stuff like, oh man, like 
I just hate the government, 

981
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,600
can't trust the government. 
I'm like, that is a great 

982
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,700
starting point. 
Let's let's talk about that more

983
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:01,900
because you are in favor of 
universal. 

984
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,600
Cecil Healthcare, so, let's talk
about how much you hate the 

985
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,900
government, and why you wouldn't
want them in your health care. 

986
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,600
So I usually talk about distrust
of the government, and equality 

987
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,500
of opportunity, as opposed to 
just overall equity. 

988
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:19,100
And what would be your elevator 
pitch of freedom to someone on 

989
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:21,400
the right? 
Who is very comfortable with 

990
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,800
large amount of government, 
whether they're a populist or a 

991
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,400
conservative. 
I think it's a lot easier to 

992
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,600
feel to the right at least for 
me just because I lean more, 

993
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,800
right? 
Like I'm not not a little left. 

994
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,200
Libertarian at all. 
So a lot of people on the right.

995
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,800
Like I said, they're very anti 
gun control. 

996
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,900
They really don't like the state
messing with the covid. 

997
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:47,000
Lockdowns masks, vaccine 
mandates, gun control. 

998
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,200
They just really, really hate 
that. 

999
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,500
I'm just like, okay, just apply 
the same logic to a bunch of 

1000
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:55,200
other stuff because you may not 
like marijuana. 

1001
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,800
I understand that you may not 
like marijuana, but you can look

1002
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,700
at history and see how 
prohibition of alcohol. 

1003
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:06,200
Ajal turned out and a lot of 
conservatives have no problems 

1004
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:07,500
at all. 
And even if they do have a 

1005
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:10,600
personal problem with it there 
nobody is in favor of 

1006
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:12,900
criminalizing it or throwing 
people in jail over it. 

1007
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:15,700
So I decide, you know, apply the
same thing to look a million 

1008
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:17,400
other subjects and then you're 
there. 

1009
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,200
Some consumers are very 
comfortable and they know they 

1010
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,300
have cognitive dissonance about 
it and they know their little 

1011
00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:24,100
bit hypocritical about it and 
they just don't care because 

1012
00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:26,300
they're stuck in their ways. 
I don't really spend a lot of 

1013
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:29,200
time trying to appeal to those 
people because they understand 

1014
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,700
their status, their educated on 
what that means and they just 

1015
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:36,600
don't Here, but what I will do 
is talk to people who are kind 

1016
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,000
of Conservatory in' or maybe, 
you know, moderate Republican 

1017
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,900
and it's a lot of trump 
supporters for I can actually 

1018
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:46,100
peel too because Trump was, 
like, The Outsider like 

1019
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:50,100
anti-establishment candidate. 
I saw a lot of people who are 

1020
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:53,300
pro Liberty voting for Trump to 
kind of infiltrating the 

1021
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:55,600
Republican party. 
So I feel like it's weird. 

1022
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:58,900
The time is kind of ripe to 
actually poach a bunch of 

1023
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:01,800
Republicans and be like, hey, 
there's more freedom over here. 

1024
00:52:01,900 --> 00:52:04,200
Here, you don't have to be in 
the GOP. 

1025
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:07,100
But like I said before, we have 
people like master your people, 

1026
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:09,100
like Rand Paul. 
So I wouldn't say abandoned the 

1027
00:52:09,107 --> 00:52:11,600
Republicans completely, but 
don't put all your eggs in one 

1028
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,600
basket with them. 
It's amazing helper Asian. 

1029
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:17,000
The state just gets in its 
criminality. 

1030
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:19,200
I don't know. 
Did you see yesterday on 

1031
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,800
Twitter? 
There was a great clip going 

1032
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,400
around Rand. 
Paul was asking secretary blank 

1033
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,200
and he goes. 
Are you sure that the guy killed

1034
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:31,800
was a member of Isis K? 
Or if he was an aide. 

1035
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:35,500
And he says, we're actually 
reviewing that as we speak. 

1036
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:40,100
So, Rand Paul says, well, 
shouldn't you do that before the

1037
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:43,800
Drone strike? 
The point is, it's amazing that 

1038
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,700
they are able to get away with 
such terrible losses. 

1039
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,500
And then blend Michael Knowles 
is like, oh, well, the 

1040
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:54,000
Libertarians are against, you 
know, civilization and order. 

1041
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:58,400
It's it's like the most 
destructive disorderly group of 

1042
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,600
criminals. 
You could ever come across. 

1043
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:03,000
Yeah, it's funny. 
Because I don't even, I don't 

1044
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,200
even dislike my from those. 
I find it hard to dislike, 

1045
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,900
people just over political 
disagreements. 

1046
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:08,300
I follow him. 
Some of his tweets. 

1047
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:10,800
I like some of them, most of my 
don't like, but it's like, 

1048
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,000
whatever, you know, but it's 
the, it's the tweets about it 

1049
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,200
from like from like more 
populist. 

1050
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,900
Conservatives and Republicans be
like, oh, Libertarians ruin 

1051
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:20,800
everything. 
Like what have Libertarians with

1052
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,200
in charge of what did 
Libertarians ruin? 

1053
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:26,100
What are you talking about? 
Like, literally, what are you 

1054
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:28,700
talking about? 
So like when he's post up like 

1055
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:30,700
that, I just have to laugh. 
Oh, the picture. 

1056
00:53:30,700 --> 00:53:33,500
Is our anti-isil weather. 
Sent our civilization right now 

1057
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:36,300
is killing innocent people. 
So whatever is not doing that. 

1058
00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:38,700
I'm with that. 
I don't know about y'all, but 

1059
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,100
I'm I'm not with 90% civilian 
deaths with drone strikes. 

1060
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:46,400
I'm just not worth that self 
ownership and private property. 

1061
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,200
Me sis was writing about being 
the root of civilization. 

1062
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:51,900
I don't know why people think 
that Libertarians an entire 

1063
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:55,300
civilization, even an artist, 
but I'm not, I don't think that 

1064
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:59,500
anarchists are Auntie is 
civilization II, really, I 

1065
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:01,600
Jenna, I really don't believe 
him. 

1066
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:05,200
There are some people like that,
but a lot of, in caps that I've 

1067
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,800
talked to, they're just like we 
want to live in communities. 

1068
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,900
We don't want to be all alone. 
We want to have neighbors. 

1069
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:13,100
We want to build coalitions, we 
want to do business with each 

1070
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:14,600
other. 
We want to help each other just 

1071
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,500
without the state, but I think, 
Anarchy and Liberty and 

1072
00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:20,700
libertarianism has such a 
negative connotation that people

1073
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:23,000
are like, oh my God. 
This is the chaos everywhere. 

1074
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,400
People just want to route and 
rot leader Ryan and this is 

1075
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,400
really horrible. 
Like that's not what it is. 

1076
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,300
But I think that there's a like 
a very Ultra conservative scare 

1077
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:33,800
tactic. 
That a lot of people use like, 

1078
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,000
oh my God, Liberty libertarian 
fantasy is going to be like, 

1079
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:40,100
it's like the one being. 
That's what the returns don't 

1080
00:54:40,100 --> 00:54:42,100
want to education center. 
I'm like, I don't know, a single

1081
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:45,900
libertarian that believes that 
people who are true 

1082
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:48,900
Libertarians, believe that an 
adult to give it a bit of a 

1083
00:54:48,908 --> 00:54:50,800
child violence non-aggression 
principle. 

1084
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,100
That's pretty much. 
The basis of the non-aggression 

1085
00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:55,300
principle is don't don't harm 
children. 

1086
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:59,100
So I really don't understand it.
But again, it's the fear tactics

1087
00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:02,400
from people, you know, like 
Michael knows who again, No, no 

1088
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,300
shade, no tea, no hate but it's 
definitely uneducated. 

1089
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:09,800
I think on what Libertarians 
actually believe they have so 

1090
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,700
much nerve. 
I mean, it's bad enough, you 

1091
00:55:11,707 --> 00:55:15,600
know, like ALC saying tax the 
rich increase Government funding

1092
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:19,700
after the biggest, you know, 
blunder in Afghanistan, which is

1093
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:23,000
the most favorable 
interpretation, but even but, 

1094
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,400
but then when they say, you 
know, that we don't care about 

1095
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,000
the treatment of children and 
all the kids murdered in these 

1096
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,100
Wars, all the kids separately. 
Did from their parents because 

1097
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:35,100
of, you know, truancy 
legislation. 

1098
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:37,500
All the kids who don't have 
opportunities because of the 

1099
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:41,700
minimum wage laws and were like 
the anti kid political ideology.

1100
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:45,300
It's so bizarre. 
Now, they'd rather fear monger, 

1101
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:48,900
and be like, this is what this 
is, your kid libertarianism. 

1102
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:51,600
And it's like it just like 
smoking weed likes doing drugs 

1103
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,700
and stuff. 
Here's your kid on, statism a 

1104
00:55:53,707 --> 00:55:58,000
dead child from all the senses. 
I know so many Libertarians 

1105
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,900
adult smoke. 
We don't do drugs. 

1106
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:02,300
It is want your freedom. 
Did they just I want to see 

1107
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:04,600
people in jail for it, but 
people act like we're all 

1108
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,400
DeGeneres. 
I personally am a degenerate but

1109
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:07,700
there's so many people who 
aren't that. 

1110
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:10,400
I just like I shouldn't I 
shouldn't I shouldn't represent 

1111
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,800
the majority who are actually 
really nice like upstanding 

1112
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,500
gentlemen, we have a few minutes
left. 

1113
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:22,800
How about the concept of 
religious people saying that who

1114
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,600
just actually identify as 
religious hardly, you know, they

1115
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,600
tend to be Orthodox Christians 
where they say religion is 

1116
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,900
vitally important. 
And libertarianism is atheism, 

1117
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:37,200
missing something big. 
I guess this would, you know be 

1118
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,500
someone like Michael Knowles as 
well where he explicitly, you 

1119
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:45,000
know, defends Catholicism and 
defends the state. 

1120
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:49,300
You have any words of wisdom or 
an elevator pitch for someone 

1121
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:53,000
who is both a Christian and a 
statist. 

1122
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:55,300
So I used to be pretty hardcore 
Christian. 

1123
00:56:55,300 --> 00:57:02,100
I kind of went away from that as
I got older just because I mean,

1124
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as somebody who's, like, lgbtq 
it just like, did I really? 

1125
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I just it just didn't really 
mesh that. 

1126
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,700
Well, once I like kind of figure
that out, like in like, middle 

1127
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school year, so I was like, 
yeah, I can do this anymore. 

1128
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:15,800
However, like I said before, I 
do see the Merit and like, 

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believing in a higher power 
believing in something bigger 

1130
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,400
than yourself, finding a 
purpose. 

1131
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,600
That's not the state and not, 
you know, serving some selfish 

1132
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,100
interest. 
However, I just think if your 

1133
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:29,300
religion is that good, you 
shouldn't need the threat of, 

1134
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:33,700
you know, a gun at, you know, 
Handed the state to enforce it. 

1135
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,500
So, you know, gay marriage for 
example being illegal because a 

1136
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:38,900
lot of religious people didn't 
like it. 

1137
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:43,000
If your religion said good, you 
wouldn't need the state to 

1138
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,200
enforce it. 
You should just be able to bring

1139
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,400
people to God or bring people to
Jesus or bring people to your 

1140
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,400
religion just by being nice and 
just by talking to them and 

1141
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,200
changing lives. 
And I this is no hate the 

1142
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,700
Christians. 
I like Christians. 

1143
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,300
Um, I like the church. 
I grew up in to be honest and 

1144
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:00,200
Christians, dude, like do a lot 
of Charity. 

1145
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,700
Do a lot of donation to a 
mission trip. 

1146
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,500
Oops, that is all great. 
And I think Christians are a 

1147
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:08,200
good example of how people can 
help each other and being 

1148
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,300
neighborly through each other 
without redistribution of wealth

1149
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:14,200
and taking a bunch of taxes and 
sending it to the Clinton 

1150
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,500
Foundation, or whatever like BS,
charity that they want us to 

1151
00:58:17,508 --> 00:58:19,900
donate to. 
So I actually do like, religious

1152
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:23,600
people for that reason. 
So I just think we just need 

1153
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,900
more of that, less of the state 
and it's hard to appeal to 

1154
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:29,700
people who are again, like 
Michael knows who understands, I

1155
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:31,000
believe, I don't think it's too 
big. 

1156
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,800
I think you understand. 
He's a statist. 

1157
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:36,700
So I wouldn't spend a lot of 
time trying to convince somebody

1158
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:39,900
who is very religious and pretty
kind of like somewhat 

1159
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:43,600
authoritarian that, you know, we
shouldn't be enforcing this for 

1160
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,500
the state because they already 
there be no, it's a little 

1161
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:47,200
hypocritical and they're just 
cool with that. 

1162
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:51,500
But to people who are just kind 
of like, you know, regular 

1163
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:53,600
Christians who may be like 
moderate Republicans. 

1164
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:57,500
I would make the case that hey 
you do. 

1165
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,500
It's like you may not be okay 
with your children, smoking 

1166
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:02,800
weed. 
That's Totally acceptable. 

1167
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,300
I completely see your point of 
view, but you wouldn't want 

1168
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:09,400
somebody to be shot and killed 
over it. 

1169
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,000
It's like the whole, um, it's 
not the Eric Garner situation 

1170
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,800
because he was selling, I think 
loose cigarettes, right? 

1171
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:17,700
And that's not a religious 
thing. 

1172
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:20,300
I do believe you are against me,
but nobody really cares about 

1173
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:23,100
loose cigarettes. 
And for me, that definitely, I 

1174
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:27,200
definitely saw a shift in 
people's thoughts about 

1175
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:30,000
government bureaucracy and 
regulations because I liked was 

1176
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,100
even know that, that was 
illegal. 

1177
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:33,200
They're like what? 
It's so loose cigarette, like 

1178
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,800
that's ridiculous. 
And so when I wanted to bring 

1179
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,000
that up and be like, okay, well 
drugs do kill people. 

1180
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,700
I totally understand that drugs 
cause a lot of pain, a lot of 

1181
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:45,600
hardship being addicted to 
something. 

1182
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:50,400
That's, that's a horrible thing.
But the state has completely 

1183
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,600
mismanaged the treatment of this
and it just shouldn't be having 

1184
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,700
people should be being killed 
over it at the hands of the 

1185
00:59:55,700 --> 00:59:58,000
state. 
And so I just applied to a lot 

1186
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,600
of different issues that 
religious people get their pay. 

1187
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,500
He's in a bunch of about the one
thing that I don't know how to 

1188
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:09,500
talk to people about is abortion
because I definitely definitely 

1189
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:12,900
leaning more pro-life a lot of 
Libertarians don't. 

1190
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,300
So I really don't know how to 
talk about. 

1191
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:17,400
It's not even an issue. 
I talked about very often just 

1192
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,400
because it's so polarizing, you 
know, yeah. 

1193
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,600
As far as communicating to, you 
know, the Catholics or 

1194
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,100
Christians. 
I always like to just plant the 

1195
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:31,600
seed of if human beings are the 
result of God. 

1196
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,300
Intentional creation and thou 
shalt not murder. 

1197
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:37,600
And thou shalt not steal a 
couple, non-aggression 

1198
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,900
principles in the Ten 
Commandments. 

1199
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,600
Well, isn't it? 
Almost the ultimate crime to 

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01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,100
initiate violence against God's 
creation? 

1201
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:49,100
Isn't that a bit of a slap in 
the face to this all-knowing? 

1202
01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:52,300
Omniscient deity and saying it 
with all that respect. 

1203
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,400
I know that it plants a seed. 
I've gotten multiple emails from

1204
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,700
people who have said, that's how
I was really able to align them 

1205
01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:01,900
because they feel it was feel 
like we're saying ditched This 

1206
01:01:01,900 --> 01:01:03,700
thing you love and come to us. 
Instead. 

1207
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,500
When all you have to do was it's
like an add-on where where you 

1208
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:10,800
just don't believe the state 
should have rollover Christians 

1209
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,300
or anyone else. 
That's what the state is. 

1210
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:15,000
They're trying to be the supreme
authority. 

1211
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,100
They're trying to be God on 
Earth. 

1212
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,200
They write words down on paper. 
And if you don't abide by their 

1213
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,700
Commandments, they cage you and 
shoot you. 

1214
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:24,600
If you resist, that's them 
trying to be God on Earth. 

1215
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,300
That's an overweight. 
I mean that would convince me if

1216
01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:30,000
I was more well-versed in 
Christian theology on, probably 

1217
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,200
be able to make a better 
argument. 

1218
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,100
And being like Hey, this isn't 
the Bible and that we shouldn't 

1219
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:35,800
do this and that and the 
government is actually doing 

1220
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,200
this that in that. 
So you actually put it in a 

1221
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,200
really a really good simple way.
I just haven't been religious in

1222
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,600
like I don't know since I was 
like in middle school. 

1223
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,200
So well, I want to thank 
everyone for watching the 

1224
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,600
libertarian Institute and keep 
my don't tread on anyone links 

1225
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,600
to well. 
Olivia's, link tree and Twitter 

1226
01:01:56,900 --> 01:01:59,400
Youtube will be in the 
description below. 

1227
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:00,700
Olivia. 
Thank you so much for your time.

1228
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:03,300
It's been a pleasure. 
Thank you so much for having me.