Democracy gives power-hungry politicians far, worse
incentives than the market gives greedy business.
People above all voters, unlike consumers have no incentive to
be rational spurring. Power-hungry politicians to
preach and practice, and less demagoguery.
Welcome to Keith's night. Don't try to on anyone in the
libertarian Institute today. I'm joined by dr.
Bryan Caplan. Author of how evil are
politicians along with his new book.
Don't be a feminist Dr. Kaplan Where is the best place to
purchase the book? The best and only place for
these is Amazon. This is a series of eight books
of my very best essays over the last 17 years and they are
Amazon exclusives. Feminism is the moral position
that women and men should have equal rights.
Is that a fair definition? It is not a fair definition.
This is a course, a language where you have to find out how
in fact people use words. Fortunately, as I point out in
the piece, There's actual survey evidence on whether or not
someone identifies the feminist and whether or not, they agree
with that statement and guess what?
It, turns out that well over 90% of non feminists, as well as
feminists agree with that sentence, which means it is a
crazy definition of feminism. It's like defining feminism as
the theory. The sky is blue.
Yes, feminists believe the sky is blue but guess what?
They're not the only ones everybody else believes it too.
When it comes to the general claims that feminist make, I
want to make a Number of arguments, you tell me if these
are legitimate reasons to be a feminist, or there's something
missing most violence between the genders involves men being
the perpetrators and women. The victims indicating men view,
women as property, not humans to be treated with respect and
dignity. Alright first let's back up.
So we left us with a wrong definition of feminism.
The one that I propose is this feminism is the view that
Society treats women more fairly than or exclude.
The truth Society treats, women less fairly than men or
alternately that, it treats men more fairly than women and this
is the lens through which I'm looking at.
Of course, it's got to be over all because if you just find
that on a list of a thousand different traits, there is one
that is disadvantageous to women in our society that hardly
establishes the thesis that overall our society is less Fair
Isle Now to turn to your specific question, you know, if
that were in fact true, then I would say that, that is A small
piece of evidence in favor of feminism but again it's one
where we need to step back and say, well if it's true that
women are more likely to be victimized inter-gender
violence. How about men in general, right?
And what we see is that men are vastly more likely to be the
victims of violent crime than women and porting remember whose
vast majority of men are not violent criminals.
So the real story is that we have a small number of violent
criminals who do indeed tend to be male.
Whoo. Do bad stuff to men and women,
and they do a lot more bad stuff to fellow men.
And why is that, is that have to do with the testosterone levels,
you think? Because the feminists will say
that, it's a causal result of society telling men that they're
entitled to do whatever they want, right?
I have never heard Society tell any men that ever.
So that seems like a. You need our conspiracy theory
in my entire life. I've never once heard anyone
explicitly state from in, any sort of Public Authority
position men are entitled to do whatever they want.
Particular men are entitled do whatever they want to women in.
This is just paranoid fantasy. This is not what society says
mean. If there is something that
society says, it is that it is especially heinous for men to
commit violence against women. That's why if you have a story
about a male actor, getting in a fight with another man, that
does not destroy his career. Even if people say he started it
still, it's like, well, you know, these things, these things
happen. But if there were a case of a
male actor, hitting any woman, especially was caught on camera.
Probably that would be the end of his career.
In fact, as I say, the real empirical story is that not only
our society. Been almost all known societies,
treat violence against women as being especially Hall as being,
especially awful. And the double standard is in
favor, women not men. Yes, never hit a woman Women &
Children. First, yes, that's what I hear.
But right. And again, if you'll just wait
here, you like, if you want to get an idea about what our
society teaches us, you can just take a look at how you write a
story in such a way, as, to depict a person positively or
negatively. If you have a story where a man
does something bad to a woman, this is a clear sign from the
author. This is a terrible human being.
It's fine to hate him, he is a villain in the story on the
other. And if a man says something
insensitive and a woman, slaps him which often happens in
stories. This is not a key to say this
woman is the devil rather. It is more like well, what an
understandable reaction when a man makes such a jackass out of
himself. Of course, you're going to go
and slap him and it's kind of funny.
I mean, just think of the the humorousness of violence varies
very strongly by the gender combination of, who's doing it.
And who is receiving it? And all this fits with exactly
the opposite of the story that we use.
That you that feminists will say, Which is that we actually
make men feel entitled to do stuff.
It's the other way around if you just lick it, listen to what
adults? Teachers parents say and the
kinds of Corrections. They give from a young age, it
is boys that are being told to stop doing things that they want
to do and being basically being told to act more like girls.
So it's just not an accurate description of what is going on.
Yes, female on male violence was the punchline twice in the last
Modern Family episode. I watch Alex, the girl was
beating the heck out of the guy because he plays a puzzle joke
on her and I go, you know what? I'm sexist, cuz I guess I'm okay
with this because I wouldn't be okay with it the other way
around because it's just not that threatening.
Yeah, Next claim of the feminist, Googling, the word
man, splaining yields three point two five million results.
This is the explanation of something by a man, typically to
a woman in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing is
a very big problem. Therefore it needs to be
addressed because men, see women as sort of these dumb idiots who
we kind of need to rule over, right?
I assume there are far fewer, Google hits for women, splaining
or whatever. The alternate term would be.
You know, I would say the obvious story is that there
because there is a vocal, and energetic feminist movement.
There is a lot of complaining about the way that men behave.
And so you get a lot of uses of it.
Whereas, There is almost no corresponding men's movement
that would be pushing the opposite.
So you can talk about in cells or the manosphere.
It's just much less culturally influentials.
So, if you're going to take complaining as indicative of the
incidence of the problem, then obviously, it looks like now.
Men are least looking poorly here although it is one of the
more minor complaints you can have about a human being that
they explain things in a condescending manner.
If you were just going list other character flaws that would
be more severe. There'd be a lot more than any
case. If we were to really go and
actually record incidences of inner gender conversations,
where a condescending tone is used, it would be not at all.
Surprising that turned out that women were using a condescending
tone more often. And I think, even if this were
pointed out, the reaction would be well.
And deserve to be condescended to because they just say things
that are so asinine. And if this is one where I would
say, we don't really have good data but the fact that people
are so willing to fling, the accusation around I think is
very little evidence that there is a gender imbalance in the
severity of condescending expression towards one another.
Yeah and it goes to show you how just blatantly ridiculous.
This this whole thing is when I think of all the time that I
felt was wasted in K through 12 L've and community college and
high school. It was like, 99.9% women that
were doing the alleged teaching, but I never looked at that and
said, oh, look at these womans planers that never would have
occurred, to me to say. And then second of all, if I
heard someone, say I go, yes, they all happen to be women, but
there's women in my life who I really love and shut up.
Don't ever say that in front of me because that's ridiculous.
Your negatively generalizing people.
I really care if you're going to negatively, gentle a journalist
by teachers not women. Vocation you voluntarily join
and where there is actually a low level of performance.
Next one, men, make more money than women.
Therefore sexism is the result of this because it's so much
more. It's not just a little more.
Right. So I am an economist and this is
the kind of question that economists are especially
trained to do. So when I was writing the book,
I went to the main review articles on this and what they
will say is if you just put in some fairly obvious, competing
explanations alternatives to sexism such as men working more
hours, more likely to work full-time.
Men are more likely to be in stem type jobs then almost all
of the Gap goes away. I think that the main review
articles Says, they still have seven or eight percent of the
pay Gap unexplained. And this is what you're only
using a few different alternative explanations to race
against the pure sexist. And one there is a really good
book called why men are in war, which goes over, I believe, 25
different reasons, why men or more.
This is actually many ways, it is better than what economies
are doing because he just has a much longer list and evidence on
each specific one, he doesn't use an able to actually get a
data set where you have all the different complaints or all the
different alternative explanations simultaneously,
which is what would be ideal. But yes, there are many
differences between the kinds of jobs that men and women do men
are more likely to do the jobs that are painful.
Ugly, dirty demoralizing, for example, in medicine, when women
are more likely to be specialized in what we call the
death, the death parts of medicine, right?
So you deal with oncology, you deal with horrible miserable
conditions, and you can imagine how unpleasant it is to do that
job. Women on the other hand in
medicine or more like to do pediatrics OBGYN other fields
where you're more likely to be helping a person have a better
life rather than just saving them from the worst possible
outcomes or maybe just delaying the inevitable horror.
So anyway, if you go through that book there's a lot of
different stories that Focus especially good because it is a
self-help book which says women. If you want to make more money
here, 25 things that men are doing to make more money.
And if you want more money, just you do these things too and
you'll be making a lot more money.
Although once you find out what it is, that men are doing to
make this extra money, you might decide you don't want to do it,
and on the flip side, if you're a man, reading the book, you may
read it. And say, yeah, I don't want the
money that badly, and yeah. So for example, another thing
that men are more likely to do is to move to an undesirable
location for a career to move to Alaska, South Dakota, that kind
of thing. Of course, lots of people want
to move to San Francisco or New York City or some hot location,
but if you are want to go and Advance, you need to success
settle for lower quality of life so that you can rise.
The ladder. This is standard behavior for
men who want to succeed. Yeah, I mean, so just to back up
and talk about a little bit more.
The main thing to remember is there's a world of difference
between unfairness and inequality world of difference
can unfairness and inequality. I have a I have a total number
of Zero sports Metals. It is not because I was treated
unfairly is because I didn't try and if I did try my performance
would be low. This is not a pleasant
explanation. In, for why?
Someone is failing? Or at least, is not performing
at the top level, but it must always be on the table as
something. We're open to open to
considering if people are going to be allowed to go and complain
and expect people to act on it. It's one thing if people just
say, look, I'm really frustrated.
Okay? That's that's too bad, so sorry
for you. But once people want to
politicize it and say something out, wants to be done.
This is where you really do. Have to say, well wait, wait a
second, we don't really know the reason that you're making less
money as they retreated on. Early on.
Now, what I also point out is that there's something
fundamentally fishy about stories of equally qualified
women earning vastly less than men, the reason being it does
imply. The existence of an amazing
get-rich-quick scheme for every business In America which
consists in fire, all men, replace them all with women who
do exactly the same job. And since by assumption these
women are equally qualified. You will then get Justice high
quality work for a much lower price.
Ice since laborers and major cost of doing business, it
really is a brain-dead idiot proof way to make a pile of
money. Unless of course, the premise is
wrong. And the reason why women are
making less money than average for men is not unfairness, but
rather that the productivity is lower or they are less committed
to the job or they are working fewer hours.
This all kinds of other stories to consider right?
And you know, an important thing here is as soon as someone wants
to bite your head off for raising these litter natives,
this is where Know that they are just not being serious about the
issue. Whence if you want to discover
the truth you don't intimidate people for who try to ask
questions. You welcome questions even if
you don't really want to hear the questions.
Yeah. Anytime you're presenting of you
that you hold dear, there's a some kind of resentment of
someone saying. Well actually but what a serious
thinker does is they suppress their own emotions instead of
expressing that others in a thinly veiled effort to get them
to shut up. Have you done any research on
the difference between Indian American incomes, Asian,
American incomes and European American incomes?
Well, I've gone over a lot of this data, but the data that I
looked at was older back. When there were hardly any South
Asians in America, what I can say about South Asians is now
Hindus will spit, it could be a particular Hindus or now, the
highest-earning religion in America, and Indian Americans or
I believe the highest-earning ethnicity, right.
It used to be choose where the high string.
But they have been dethroned by Hindus in terms of Asian
earnings. Yeah this is one where on
average Asians out earn whites and this has been true I believe
since the late 60s Right now, once again, the very fact that a
group is out, earning another does not mean that they have not
been treated unfairly. Maybe Asians would be making
even more money if they were treated fairly.
What I would say is that at least some of the data are
consistent with there, being a fairy, tiny amount of that,
maybe 5%. Although, again, when it's that
small, you always have to be open to the possibility.
Maybe there's something that is a correct alternative
explanation that I just haven't thought of yet.
Or is it just a simply not the measured.
The term, patriarchy meaning rule by men is summarized in
point B of your list in this excellent book.
Don't be a feminist. It says men are over represented
at the top levels of business government science and Beyond.
I know there's a lot of overlap but when it comes to that claim
how do you respond right? Well we can just start by
looking the facts and say is it true that men have a large
majority of the top positions in the search Fields.
And yeah and basically every noun society that is true.
But then the question is, why why?
All right? And secondly, there's the other
question of what does it mean on the, what does it mean?
This is where I keep telling people.
Well, let's step back. Yes, men are overrepresented.
The top, do you know what else men are over represented at the
bottom? Men are much more likely to be
homeless. Men are much more likely to be
in prison and are much more likely to be.
Let's see Joe to about to die of violence.
That are much more likely to die in combat.
At right? So if you'll just go and say
that we have a society where men rule when men are so over
represented at both the top and the bottom is quite odd and
sleep at. What do you mean by that?
I mean, it could you could just say no, no by definition
patriarchy means that men predominate at the top
regardless of whether they predominated the bottom.
But then well, it seems like a kind of arbitrary definition
that just defines a way, a pile of evidence.
Right now, in any case, then there is the other big point
about Jessica's Mentor over Senator, does it mean that they
are unfairly overrepresented. Maybe they simply excelled
through better performance and this is one where we can
definitely look at the areas like science.
And to say, okay, well here are all the main scientific
accomplishments of men, what are the corresponding scientific
accomplishments of women? There are some but it's really
hard to find anything remotely close to parody.
There's this is a small example but it is kind of fun.
There's a really great cartoon history of comic books and
Anyway, thing is called the comic book history of comic
books. There's a first edition where
they just went through the regular history.
And then after it was published, they said, oh wait, we basically
mentioned zero women in this entire book.
So then they did a second edition which I also have
because they colorized it. And I like the colors where they
put in a bunch of pages about women in comics, were they just
did a really deep dive and tried to find something that women had
done. All right, it's not true that
women have done nothing in comics, but nevertheless the
fact that you could write a whole book, giving a very
thorough. Three.
And then at the end they all wait.
What about women does? Give us an indication.
Look, they just didn't do as much now and the weather you can
of course say well yeah but why is that?
Why is that right? It's an interesting question.
There are course, again, a bunch of explanations which would not
require In fairness. The simplest one is maybe they
were less interested in comic books.
Is it possible? Women are less interested in
comic books, the men. Yeah, well, if you're not
interested in something, you're probably not going to sell it at
our, you know. All right.
That's something that's worth considering.
And of course, the same goes for Natural Sciences a possible,
women are just less interested in Natural Science.
We have a pile of evidence that they are less interested in it.
Most obviously, just looking at the majors that people choose to
do. You can always, then come back
and say, well, if physics were properly welcoming to women than
they would be equally represented.
Something like well, so you say is there any evidence of this or
is this just something that you always claim whenever you would
backed into a corner or where you've painted yourself into a
corner, with exaggerated hyperbolic paranoid claims?
I'm going to go primarily with the latter, although maybe we
can find something much of what I object to is.
Just the thinly, veiled intimidation when someone ask
questions. Because when someone says well
why do you think it is? I think not really asking you
why you think it is. They are trying to make you
scared to talk so that ever so that everyone has to pretend
that they've got it all figured out and they know the answer is
unfairness when there's obviously plenty of other
explanations on the table. One thing that I did not mention
in the essay, don't be a feminist.
A letter to my daughter is that we do have interesting data on
what happened to Jews versus women.
And there was a great emancipation in both law and
social norms. So we can see is that if foot
back when when Jews were in the ghetto and Europe, then they had
very, very low share of your of world achievement in science,
literature, philosophy and so on.
Then with you go and take a look at measures of achievement that
you'll see in dictionaries of achievement.
You'll see that very soon after the ghettos were ended, Jewish
achievement skyrocketed from just a few Percent of
achievements like 25%. Women on the other hand, when
barriers came down, have not risen to anything remotely like
that. So, I think this does show free
in the case of Jews, it looks like it really was a system that
was suppressing, natural performance for women.
The data are just much less in favor of that.
And I am only a messenger. This is not my fault a common
misconception about the this book and especially to a say is
that this is expressing some kind of anger and hostility
towards women. Nothing could be further from
the truth, the subtitles Is a letter to my daughter.
If you read it, it is me talking to her, trying to explain to
her, what is really going on in the world.
Do I want my daughter to have all the good things in life?
Of course, do I have any resentment of her?
Not on your life, but I'm not one of the parents who feels
like my kids somehow ruin things for me.
Far from it, my kids are my salvation during code to be a to
be an adult childless adult during covid.
I just would have been out of my mind, right?
At least, I had four kids to keep me company during The Sleek
times. Like so like when I present this
evidence to her it is not in any kind of negative Spirit.
It is just saying, look, let's go and try to face the facts.
Let's realize that just because something is true to, his sickly
does not mean that it is, the definition, your life.
The same time do not be taken in by demagogues, who want to go
and make you blame whatever goes wrong in your life on men
because it's quite likely that man in fact, are not the reason
for your problem. Certainly I couldn't imagine the
opposite. Meaning that you cared about
your kids, imagine telling your son, men are 50% of the
population, yet 95% of those incarcerated because you're
discriminated against little boy.
Good luck in the world. Have a good day.
That would be a. That would be like child abuse.
The closest thing I could imagine, right?
Although, you know, even there I mean you know that's that's an
interesting one because in the case of discrimination on pay
There we do have this very strong economic argument saying
that if there really were substantial pay discrimination
by gender, the Via get-rich-quick scheme.
That any business could Avail itself of and the case of the
criminal justice system on the other hand, it's not like if it
treats went fairly, you can just say, forget it.
I'm going to go and move to Norway.
I'd say Lee. It is one, we should at least be
more open to the possibility that there is gender
discrimination. The evidence here is not what it
should be, but Warren Farrell, who is an author.
I take very seriously. There's at least present, some
Marshall evidence that women are more likely to get lighter
sentences for some crimes, especially things.
Like, if you go and kill your partner and then claim it, then
claim abuse and basically The Burning Bed defense, women are a
lot more likely to get away with that the men that could, of
course reflect the true. The reality that women are more
likely be living in fear for their lives.
We also does go over some interesting evidence on spousal
violence or enter partner, violence recess.
It's a lot more complicated than most people think in terms of
most measures, it's very similar by gender.
Even in terms of severity, he says that women were more likely
to use a weapon or more likely to get a man to commit their
violence for them. So actually even on the severity
measures it is not so clear that in partner abuse that's men are
or actually worse overall than women but this is where the
evidence I would say is quite a bit weaker, so it's still a good
idea is to keep an open mind on it but it was eye-opening to me
to realize it's not actually And shut.
Have you seen think of a non bizarre way to say this?
Have you seen a baby's reaction to being circumcised?
Woohoo, I never have I managed to get all of my sons to not be
circumcised. It was done to me but of course,
I have no memory of it. The claim that they don't feel
pain at that age to seem so absurd, right?
Yes. So I have been anti-circumcision
for a long time in terms Of watch the actual most practical
way to deal with it. I think it's a bad idea to
actually take kids away from their parents for it because
circumcision does not predict doing a bunch of other horrible
things here kids. But yeah, like it is one where
the way that people accept it, so casually seems absurd to me.
So, yeah, I think yeah. So actually, there is an essay
in, don't be afraid it is. And don't be a feminist.
Yeah. Where I talk about Michael
chabon who has an essay on the circumcision of his kids need to
goes over all the arguments and says, Yeah.
None of the arguments in favor circumcision.
Ready? Good probably hurts a lot but
haha. Well that's just how we are.
We're we are flaky creatures, we are none.
Can say when a parent will do and so he circumcised him
anyway, right? And when I read that, so as I
say in the essay, it's almost never do.
I just want to throw a book across a room and that was one
where I was like, what the hell? This is like, you're in a
society where they clip off one, knuckle of a baby's finger and
the, with a, on the base of a Flimsy arguments and then you
say, yeah, well, there's no good reason to do it but clip, haha,
very funny isn't, it isn't life? So ironic and Whimsical.
So yeah, well, it was something that I always thought.
Wow, that's a parent sort of like, how they choose the name,
they choose, which closed the kids where they choose the kids
haircut. You can choose to work to not to
and then I saw like four or five videos of it and then I asked a
doctor I said hold on. Am I only seeing these videos
because they're the worst examples and they go?
No that's generally how it's done and it's too risky to like
put a kid on. Under and give him an
anesthetic. So I mean they would never do
that. So yeah, that's how it is and I
go I think that was like the one thing that took me maybe 12 to
24 hours, to totally change my mind on everything else.
I've gone Kicking and Screaming. But that's like, oh, I need to
absolutely be against this even if it's uncomfortable for my
friends. Having kids, I'm going to bring
it up and they can hate me, but I got so many Kaplan books to
read that I could lose a few friends.
Yeah, right. After my, First two sons were
born. The doctor came in and said okay
well when do we schedule the circumcision and I was strongly
tempted, just to say, are there any other healthy body parts you
think we ought to amputate? But I just said, we're not doing
it and he's like, oh, and then you did look at my name and then
he's like, well, mmm Jewish last name.
What? You're going to go and break
this chain letter of amputation. That's gone on for thousands of
years. Like yeah, I'm Breaking the
Chain Letter. No.
From Moses and it stops with Kaplan.
Wow, just unbelievable. You really threw a wrench in
that chain letter, F men view women as sex objects.
This does not allow women to go about their lives and live with
dignity because they're constantly being treated as a
means to an end, not as an n in am of themself.
How do you respond right to start?
There's hyperbole there like an enormous amount of hyperbole.
Yes. Didn't like unless you're a
supermodel and even there, it's unclear like constantly being
being being approached. That's just a gross
exaggeration. Like I've talked to many women
and ends with the amount of times it actually happens is not
nearly that high like Bots. There's two ways of go of going
about this. So you want to point out and
like so like there's a lot of Truth in it.
This is the way that a lot of men especially young men see
women but guess what? It is a two-way street.
It is also True. That a lot of women seem any
success objects that they just look at a guy and say, well,
here's this guy done well in the world and it done as well as a
career, is he rich? In that case?
I like that guy. Like.
So in both cases, you may say he Woods is an example of human
beings being superficial. It's not the most reason.
It is not the most admirable trait.
It's one that we do see across both genders right now.
Furthermore, in terms of the general complaining mean this is
a thought experiment that I Does really give us a lot of insight.
Just imagine that you could go and turn your dial a fiscal
track missed anywhere. You want from zero to ten
wherever you put it. You were gonna have to deal with
all the good and all the bad of that attractiveness.
Where would most men put it where most women put it?
I think very few people would put it below average.
Because yes being being physically attractive gives you
a lot of good things in life. It does have some mild downsides
but overall it is a good thing and for someone to go and really
complain about that does strike me as a strange set of
priorities and just a strange perspective likes the only for
Alma. Yeah like you might say, I'm
really smart. This is terrible because now
people as people want to go and ask me for help on their
homework, Well, expose they will but guess what?
You get to be smart. So, maybe it is not the most
reasonable. Most most reasonable or serious
complaint to be sharing for attention.
Yeah, I knew a very rich girl, in school who lied and said she
was poor. Because at her previous School,
everyone knew she was rich. And she didn't know who her
friends were like, people were constantly using her and I go,
okay, I get that. That's a small problem and the
large scale of things. But it's actually a really
difficult psychological issue. The are the people, you surround
yourself? They say, they like you, but
you've only been fooled a hundred times before.
So yeah, young person would have that attitude.
I can see someone you like in their 30s, wearing about that
kind of thing. But you just just like how long
could even keep that a secret? Unless you don't have any
friends. So if you have any friends,
they're going to come to your house.
They'll see how you live in the motel people.
So it's a strange story but of course, the world is full of
strange things. So big.
In response to the claim that women do a disproportionate
amount of housework and care for the kids.
And don't get compensated, you had mentioned that you went to
Europe. I believe with one of your kids
and you saw a lot of women and children who were refugees from
Ukraine. But you didn't see any men if
you had to guess, where do you think they were?
Yeah. Well they're stuck in Ukraine.
Most of them are not fighting. It's not like the only like
Ukraine has an army of 15 million guys or anything like
that. Rather, it's just a law saying
that if you are between 16 and 60, you are a males, are not
allowed to leave Ukraine. Yes.
So this is a gross violation. And then, furthermore, this is
one where they don't even have the excuse of, we need them
soldiers. Like a guy who's 59 is going to
be a soldier, right? That's pretty ridiculous.
I mean it's moving but would be more reasonable to keep the 13
year old guys in the country. Because if a war goes on three
years then you can draft them then.
But yeah, like really what's going on is like well men, there
were Role is just to be human Shields, right?
And even if you're not a soldier still we don't want the world
thinking that we're cowards and that we have adult men leaving
the country. Yeah.
So there is that what was the use of illegal?
What was the, what was the Prior Park?
So your contrasting, the like the like the treatment of
Ukraine. With what was the other thing?
You were just said before just refresh my memory?
Well, the claim was that women do a disproportionate amount.
Yeah, yeah. So that's one.
Actually that is just not that that is all you.
It is true. They do a disproportionate share
of housework, but if you go and some paid labor, and unpaid
labor, then the average for the two genders, according to the
best time diary work in sociology, is a very equal in
the real story is that there are some women who do put in a lot
more hours than the average man and other women who put in a lot
less hours than the average man. So basically, the women who do
put in a lot more hours than the average man are working moms
working moms a full-time job. So they with you going some,
they're paid labor pool, son, Labor is really high, on the
other hand, if you look at stay-at-home moms there, the
total amount of Labor they're putting in is actually way lower
than a full-time job on average, right?
And this is even though as again, Warren Farrell points
out, there is a bias in this research because a lot of things
that men do that, don't get properly counted as housework,
for example, men are much more likely to go and drive when
there are when they are when they are with their partner.
And we don't generally consider this to be a form of Labor and
yet driving a cab is So it's unclear, why being the being the
person that drives the family car when the families together
would be considered as such. So that in that's probably a lot
of time actually. So if we did a better, better
distinction between different activities than quite as it
seems likely to actually wind up coming out of mints favors long,
as you some, both kinds of work. How is it that the military
conscription aspect that yes applies in Ukraine but it's
applied in America since like the Civil War I can from what I
could find, it's applied in Britain and all over the world
and today you still have to register.
But I mean imagine if like just blacks had to register for
forced agricultural work in case of a food shortage.
I mean, I think we might hear about that every now and then
yeah, register just in case how That such forced labor.
The most immoral thing has been so clearly overlooked by like,
almost everyone. Yeah, you notice the women and
children. First ethos it is men's job to
quietly loyally, bravely die as slaves, if their country asks
for it and it's not woman's job to do that.
Woman's job is to be protected, right?
And this kind of attitude, is there such that if a guy were to
pointed out, not only women, men would also make fun of him,
right? Oh yeah.
Or chicken, you're too scared. Oh, you don't want to die?
Hell yeah, I don't want to die. Yeah, I've had to explain to a
few friends that they're like. So you wouldn't defend the
country and I go defend the Biden regime who calls me sexist
racist and xenophobic every chance they get.
No, I would not be spending a penny to defend the Biden
regime. If Putin wanted to install some
I'm sorry. Why do men commit suicide?
So much more often. Yeah, that's a good question.
So usually people distinguishing attempts and successful suicides
attempts, women seem to do better on actual numbers though
man or the embedding a better. Yeah, women women have more
suicides ruse, or suicide attempts.
Men have more actual suicides. The proximate cause is men
choose the methods that work. Women choose the methods that
are unreliable, the best explanation I think is that when
women do it is, more of a cry for help and they want to go and
get more. They don't kill you, they may
very well, have a serious problem, but it's one where it
is a cry for help, where you're doing it, not to end your
problem, but to get people to get people, to take you
seriously men on the other hand, when they commit suicide, it's
because they've actually decided.
I want to be dead right now as For What the deeper reasons for
that for that are like, it's really hard to say.
You like so you could save our society teaches men that they're
Expendable. Because that's possible Right.
Another one could be Men actually feel like if there's no
one left in their lives, that cares about them that their
lives are not worth living. And to say that's false, I don't
know. Maybe it's true that if you
don't have anyone who cares about your life isn't worth
living. If you're young enough you might
say, well then find some people. If you're at a point where
that's not like that happen and then you can see that you could
have a different attitude. And I think that overall our
views on suicide are deeply confused, where you see the 03
like the real issue that is that a lot of people kill themselves
or people where the with they clearly actually think things
are hopeless, but it's not. And there's a lot of things they
can do to turn things around and they, especially if you're
young, the idea that you're going to feel this way forever.
So strong on the other end, is a lot of people who are especially
old who are in horrible constant Agony and for them.
I think it's totally reasonable to say suicide is an In that, we
have that you should think about.
And yes, there is so much stigma against just being honest about
that. It's like, oh well you think
that just because someone is constant Agony their life isn't
worth living. Yeah for me I would say my life
wasn't worth living the only reason it would be you see if
there's a prospect of the agony ending in life turning back to
something like normal and once you know the prognosis is not
that. Yeah.
When it comes to having an empirical test or some Metric to
determining, if someone is or isn't sexist, I wanted to ask
you this because I was talking to someone and she is 100%
positive that I'm a sexist. Just like the sun is shining,
she's positive and I go. I'm actually a hundred percent.
Sure. You are because you explicitly
judge people by their sex and not by you know, the content of
their character is there an empirical test or some Metric,
we can actually use to verify Who is and who is not sexist,
racist homophobic bigot, excetera.
Well it's a good question and of course it needs to start with.
What do you mean by it? Normally of course people say
well I just mean it in the normal way, right?
Because if you declare that you're accurate by virtue of
just using words and words ways, it is not very satisfying
Victory. If you say, hey, there's over
3,000 planets in our solar system, it's like will know
know. So yeah.
Well by Planet, I mean human beings it's like oh well in that
case, there's over 3,000 human beings in our solar system
selenite. Yes, right now.
So when people make claims, the especially ones that are
controversial normally the Ideas.
You want to start with words as they are conventionally used and
then say something surprising while using the words in the
normal way. So, I would say is that the way
that people normally use these words is for a sexist.
This is someone who treat me like who judges someone based
upon their gender regardless Ali Ali Ali.
What's the best was faced with putting it?
Sometimes they'll someone who all else equal favors, one
gender over the other. Something like that, racism,
someone who All else equal favors One race over another
right? So that would be the reasonable
standard. That is roughly what people
mean? So yeah, if you say that someone
is sexist, because they think that women aren't just good
basketball players as man just like, well, it's just a fact.
If there were to be actually a game, the an inter-gender game
and then immediately, they like a male and male versus female
game. They all play by the rules and
the women and the men win for someone to say that was sexism.
Like no, it wasn't. It was the men were better at
basketball. Ball.
Then the women, right? So those would not be reasonable
standards again, it would have to be something like what
economists are doing when they try to estimate degree of gender
discrimination and pay where they say, let's go and compare
men and women who matched in terms of what they do.
And then see whether there is a still a pay Gap left after that.
Same thing for racism or any other of those it really does.
It really like it in the background of ordinary language,
there is a notion of its Got to be because of that, not,
coincidentally because of something that correlates with
that.