1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:03,500 Democracy gives power-hungry politicians far, worse 2 00:00:03,500 --> 00:00:06,200 incentives than the market gives greedy business. 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,900 People above all voters, unlike consumers have no incentive to 4 00:00:10,900 --> 00:00:13,900 be rational spurring. Power-hungry politicians to 5 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:16,800 preach and practice, and less demagoguery. 6 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:18,800 Welcome to Keith's night. Don't try to on anyone in the 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,600 libertarian Institute today. I'm joined by dr. 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,600 Bryan Caplan. Author of how evil are 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,400 politicians along with his new book. 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,300 Don't be a feminist Dr. Kaplan Where is the best place to 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,900 purchase the book? The best and only place for 12 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:36,700 these is Amazon. This is a series of eight books 13 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:41,400 of my very best essays over the last 17 years and they are 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,300 Amazon exclusives. Feminism is the moral position 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,600 that women and men should have equal rights. 16 00:00:47,700 --> 00:00:51,000 Is that a fair definition? It is not a fair definition. 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,600 This is a course, a language where you have to find out how 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,600 in fact people use words. Fortunately, as I point out in 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,300 the piece, There's actual survey evidence on whether or not 20 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:05,900 someone identifies the feminist and whether or not, they agree 21 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:07,500 with that statement and guess what? 22 00:01:07,500 --> 00:01:11,700 It, turns out that well over 90% of non feminists, as well as 23 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:14,300 feminists agree with that sentence, which means it is a 24 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:17,200 crazy definition of feminism. It's like defining feminism as 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,700 the theory. The sky is blue. 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,200 Yes, feminists believe the sky is blue but guess what? 27 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,900 They're not the only ones everybody else believes it too. 28 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:29,000 When it comes to the general claims that feminist make, I 29 00:01:29,008 --> 00:01:31,700 want to make a Number of arguments, you tell me if these 30 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:34,700 are legitimate reasons to be a feminist, or there's something 31 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:38,700 missing most violence between the genders involves men being 32 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:42,700 the perpetrators and women. The victims indicating men view, 33 00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:46,500 women as property, not humans to be treated with respect and 34 00:01:46,500 --> 00:01:49,200 dignity. Alright first let's back up. 35 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,300 So we left us with a wrong definition of feminism. 36 00:01:52,300 --> 00:01:56,500 The one that I propose is this feminism is the view that 37 00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:59,800 Society treats women more fairly than or exclude. 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,200 The truth Society treats, women less fairly than men or 39 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,800 alternately that, it treats men more fairly than women and this 40 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,000 is the lens through which I'm looking at. 41 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:12,600 Of course, it's got to be over all because if you just find 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,400 that on a list of a thousand different traits, there is one 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,200 that is disadvantageous to women in our society that hardly 44 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,900 establishes the thesis that overall our society is less Fair 45 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:25,900 Isle Now to turn to your specific question, you know, if 46 00:02:25,900 --> 00:02:30,600 that were in fact true, then I would say that, that is A small 47 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,700 piece of evidence in favor of feminism but again it's one 48 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:39,800 where we need to step back and say, well if it's true that 49 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,200 women are more likely to be victimized inter-gender 50 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,900 violence. How about men in general, right? 51 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:47,700 And what we see is that men are vastly more likely to be the 52 00:02:47,700 --> 00:02:51,300 victims of violent crime than women and porting remember whose 53 00:02:51,500 --> 00:02:53,800 vast majority of men are not violent criminals. 54 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,900 So the real story is that we have a small number of violent 55 00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:59,400 criminals who do indeed tend to be male. 56 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,400 Whoo. Do bad stuff to men and women, 57 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,000 and they do a lot more bad stuff to fellow men. 58 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,800 And why is that, is that have to do with the testosterone levels, 59 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,000 you think? Because the feminists will say 60 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,600 that, it's a causal result of society telling men that they're 61 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,500 entitled to do whatever they want, right? 62 00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:21,700 I have never heard Society tell any men that ever. 63 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,500 So that seems like a. You need our conspiracy theory 64 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,600 in my entire life. I've never once heard anyone 65 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,800 explicitly state from in, any sort of Public Authority 66 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,600 position men are entitled to do whatever they want. 67 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:38,800 Particular men are entitled do whatever they want to women in. 68 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,900 This is just paranoid fantasy. This is not what society says 69 00:03:43,300 --> 00:03:44,200 mean. If there is something that 70 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,000 society says, it is that it is especially heinous for men to 71 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,000 commit violence against women. That's why if you have a story 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,100 about a male actor, getting in a fight with another man, that 73 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:57,500 does not destroy his career. Even if people say he started it 74 00:03:57,500 --> 00:04:00,000 still, it's like, well, you know, these things, these things 75 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,200 happen. But if there were a case of a 76 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,800 male actor, hitting any woman, especially was caught on camera. 77 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,600 Probably that would be the end of his career. 78 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,200 In fact, as I say, the real empirical story is that not only 79 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,200 our society. Been almost all known societies, 80 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,899 treat violence against women as being especially Hall as being, 81 00:04:16,899 --> 00:04:19,600 especially awful. And the double standard is in 82 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:25,100 favor, women not men. Yes, never hit a woman Women & 83 00:04:25,100 --> 00:04:27,400 Children. First, yes, that's what I hear. 84 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,900 But right. And again, if you'll just wait 85 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:31,600 here, you like, if you want to get an idea about what our 86 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,700 society teaches us, you can just take a look at how you write a 87 00:04:35,700 --> 00:04:39,200 story in such a way, as, to depict a person positively or 88 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,800 negatively. If you have a story where a man 89 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,300 does something bad to a woman, this is a clear sign from the 90 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:48,400 author. This is a terrible human being. 91 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,600 It's fine to hate him, he is a villain in the story on the 92 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,400 other. And if a man says something 93 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,400 insensitive and a woman, slaps him which often happens in 94 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,700 stories. This is not a key to say this 95 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:01,600 woman is the devil rather. It is more like well, what an 96 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,200 understandable reaction when a man makes such a jackass out of 97 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,900 himself. Of course, you're going to go 98 00:05:05,900 --> 00:05:07,400 and slap him and it's kind of funny. 99 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,900 I mean, just think of the the humorousness of violence varies 100 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:15,200 very strongly by the gender combination of, who's doing it. 101 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,500 And who is receiving it? And all this fits with exactly 102 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:20,300 the opposite of the story that we use. 103 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:23,600 That you that feminists will say, Which is that we actually 104 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,200 make men feel entitled to do stuff. 105 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,200 It's the other way around if you just lick it, listen to what 106 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,800 adults? Teachers parents say and the 107 00:05:30,808 --> 00:05:33,500 kinds of Corrections. They give from a young age, it 108 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:36,700 is boys that are being told to stop doing things that they want 109 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:39,800 to do and being basically being told to act more like girls. 110 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,700 So it's just not an accurate description of what is going on. 111 00:05:45,500 --> 00:05:49,200 Yes, female on male violence was the punchline twice in the last 112 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,100 Modern Family episode. I watch Alex, the girl was 113 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:55,900 beating the heck out of the guy because he plays a puzzle joke 114 00:05:55,900 --> 00:06:00,500 on her and I go, you know what? I'm sexist, cuz I guess I'm okay 115 00:06:00,500 --> 00:06:02,600 with this because I wouldn't be okay with it the other way 116 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,500 around because it's just not that threatening. 117 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:10,000 Yeah, Next claim of the feminist, Googling, the word 118 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,400 man, splaining yields three point two five million results. 119 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:17,400 This is the explanation of something by a man, typically to 120 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,000 a woman in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing is 121 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,100 a very big problem. Therefore it needs to be 122 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:29,200 addressed because men, see women as sort of these dumb idiots who 123 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,600 we kind of need to rule over, right? 124 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,600 I assume there are far fewer, Google hits for women, splaining 125 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,600 or whatever. The alternate term would be. 126 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,200 You know, I would say the obvious story is that there 127 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,400 because there is a vocal, and energetic feminist movement. 128 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,000 There is a lot of complaining about the way that men behave. 129 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,800 And so you get a lot of uses of it. 130 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:53,600 Whereas, There is almost no corresponding men's movement 131 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,200 that would be pushing the opposite. 132 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,000 So you can talk about in cells or the manosphere. 133 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,500 It's just much less culturally influentials. 134 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,100 So, if you're going to take complaining as indicative of the 135 00:07:04,100 --> 00:07:06,800 incidence of the problem, then obviously, it looks like now. 136 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:10,900 Men are least looking poorly here although it is one of the 137 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:13,500 more minor complaints you can have about a human being that 138 00:07:13,500 --> 00:07:15,900 they explain things in a condescending manner. 139 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:18,600 If you were just going list other character flaws that would 140 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,000 be more severe. There'd be a lot more than any 141 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,400 case. If we were to really go and 142 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:27,400 actually record incidences of inner gender conversations, 143 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,300 where a condescending tone is used, it would be not at all. 144 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:32,900 Surprising that turned out that women were using a condescending 145 00:07:32,900 --> 00:07:35,200 tone more often. And I think, even if this were 146 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,800 pointed out, the reaction would be well. 147 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,600 And deserve to be condescended to because they just say things 148 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,300 that are so asinine. And if this is one where I would 149 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:46,200 say, we don't really have good data but the fact that people 150 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,000 are so willing to fling, the accusation around I think is 151 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,400 very little evidence that there is a gender imbalance in the 152 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,900 severity of condescending expression towards one another. 153 00:07:56,100 --> 00:08:00,000 Yeah and it goes to show you how just blatantly ridiculous. 154 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:04,600 This this whole thing is when I think of all the time that I 155 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,900 felt was wasted in K through 12 L've and community college and 156 00:08:08,900 --> 00:08:12,600 high school. It was like, 99.9% women that 157 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,900 were doing the alleged teaching, but I never looked at that and 158 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:19,200 said, oh, look at these womans planers that never would have 159 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,300 occurred, to me to say. And then second of all, if I 160 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:24,800 heard someone, say I go, yes, they all happen to be women, but 161 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,400 there's women in my life who I really love and shut up. 162 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:31,300 Don't ever say that in front of me because that's ridiculous. 163 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:33,299 Your negatively generalizing people. 164 00:08:33,500 --> 00:08:35,700 I really care if you're going to negatively, gentle a journalist 165 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:41,400 by teachers not women. Vocation you voluntarily join 166 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,500 and where there is actually a low level of performance. 167 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,900 Next one, men, make more money than women. 168 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:55,500 Therefore sexism is the result of this because it's so much 169 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:56,700 more. It's not just a little more. 170 00:08:57,700 --> 00:09:00,800 Right. So I am an economist and this is 171 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,500 the kind of question that economists are especially 172 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:05,400 trained to do. So when I was writing the book, 173 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,000 I went to the main review articles on this and what they 174 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,700 will say is if you just put in some fairly obvious, competing 175 00:09:13,700 --> 00:09:17,500 explanations alternatives to sexism such as men working more 176 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:19,300 hours, more likely to work full-time. 177 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,600 Men are more likely to be in stem type jobs then almost all 178 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,900 of the Gap goes away. I think that the main review 179 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:29,300 articles Says, they still have seven or eight percent of the 180 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:31,700 pay Gap unexplained. And this is what you're only 181 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:35,300 using a few different alternative explanations to race 182 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:39,200 against the pure sexist. And one there is a really good 183 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,700 book called why men are in war, which goes over, I believe, 25 184 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:45,100 different reasons, why men or more. 185 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,800 This is actually many ways, it is better than what economies 186 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,700 are doing because he just has a much longer list and evidence on 187 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:54,800 each specific one, he doesn't use an able to actually get a 188 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,500 data set where you have all the different complaints or all the 189 00:09:57,500 --> 00:09:59,500 different alternative explanations simultaneously, 190 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:03,000 which is what would be ideal. But yes, there are many 191 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,200 differences between the kinds of jobs that men and women do men 192 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,800 are more likely to do the jobs that are painful. 193 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,800 Ugly, dirty demoralizing, for example, in medicine, when women 194 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,100 are more likely to be specialized in what we call the 195 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:18,900 death, the death parts of medicine, right? 196 00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:22,300 So you deal with oncology, you deal with horrible miserable 197 00:10:22,300 --> 00:10:26,300 conditions, and you can imagine how unpleasant it is to do that 198 00:10:26,300 --> 00:10:28,300 job. Women on the other hand in 199 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:32,400 medicine or more like to do pediatrics OBGYN other fields 200 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,900 where you're more likely to be helping a person have a better 201 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:38,700 life rather than just saving them from the worst possible 202 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:41,600 outcomes or maybe just delaying the inevitable horror. 203 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:44,800 So anyway, if you go through that book there's a lot of 204 00:10:44,808 --> 00:10:47,800 different stories that Focus especially good because it is a 205 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,800 self-help book which says women. If you want to make more money 206 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,100 here, 25 things that men are doing to make more money. 207 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:55,500 And if you want more money, just you do these things too and 208 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:56,900 you'll be making a lot more money. 209 00:10:57,300 --> 00:10:59,300 Although once you find out what it is, that men are doing to 210 00:10:59,300 --> 00:11:01,600 make this extra money, you might decide you don't want to do it, 211 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,500 and on the flip side, if you're a man, reading the book, you may 212 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:05,800 read it. And say, yeah, I don't want the 213 00:11:05,808 --> 00:11:08,600 money that badly, and yeah. So for example, another thing 214 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,000 that men are more likely to do is to move to an undesirable 215 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,300 location for a career to move to Alaska, South Dakota, that kind 216 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:16,800 of thing. Of course, lots of people want 217 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,100 to move to San Francisco or New York City or some hot location, 218 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,500 but if you are want to go and Advance, you need to success 219 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:27,200 settle for lower quality of life so that you can rise. 220 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,600 The ladder. This is standard behavior for 221 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,800 men who want to succeed. Yeah, I mean, so just to back up 222 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,200 and talk about a little bit more. 223 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:38,300 The main thing to remember is there's a world of difference 224 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:42,500 between unfairness and inequality world of difference 225 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:47,300 can unfairness and inequality. I have a I have a total number 226 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:50,700 of Zero sports Metals. It is not because I was treated 227 00:11:50,700 --> 00:11:53,700 unfairly is because I didn't try and if I did try my performance 228 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:56,500 would be low. This is not a pleasant 229 00:11:56,500 --> 00:11:57,900 explanation. In, for why? 230 00:11:57,900 --> 00:12:00,700 Someone is failing? Or at least, is not performing 231 00:12:00,700 --> 00:12:04,700 at the top level, but it must always be on the table as 232 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:06,400 something. We're open to open to 233 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,400 considering if people are going to be allowed to go and complain 234 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,000 and expect people to act on it. It's one thing if people just 235 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,100 say, look, I'm really frustrated. 236 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:16,000 Okay? That's that's too bad, so sorry 237 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,000 for you. But once people want to 238 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,400 politicize it and say something out, wants to be done. 239 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:23,400 This is where you really do. Have to say, well wait, wait a 240 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,300 second, we don't really know the reason that you're making less 241 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:28,500 money as they retreated on. Early on. 242 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:31,000 Now, what I also point out is that there's something 243 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,500 fundamentally fishy about stories of equally qualified 244 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:38,600 women earning vastly less than men, the reason being it does 245 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,900 imply. The existence of an amazing 246 00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:44,100 get-rich-quick scheme for every business In America which 247 00:12:44,100 --> 00:12:48,000 consists in fire, all men, replace them all with women who 248 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,700 do exactly the same job. And since by assumption these 249 00:12:51,700 --> 00:12:54,600 women are equally qualified. You will then get Justice high 250 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,200 quality work for a much lower price. 251 00:12:57,300 --> 00:13:00,100 Ice since laborers and major cost of doing business, it 252 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:04,300 really is a brain-dead idiot proof way to make a pile of 253 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:06,500 money. Unless of course, the premise is 254 00:13:06,500 --> 00:13:08,600 wrong. And the reason why women are 255 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,300 making less money than average for men is not unfairness, but 256 00:13:11,300 --> 00:13:15,100 rather that the productivity is lower or they are less committed 257 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:18,100 to the job or they are working fewer hours. 258 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:22,500 This all kinds of other stories to consider right? 259 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:24,900 And you know, an important thing here is as soon as someone wants 260 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:26,800 to bite your head off for raising these litter natives, 261 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,000 this is where Know that they are just not being serious about the 262 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,300 issue. Whence if you want to discover 263 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:34,700 the truth you don't intimidate people for who try to ask 264 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:37,900 questions. You welcome questions even if 265 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,600 you don't really want to hear the questions. 266 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,300 Yeah. Anytime you're presenting of you 267 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:44,300 that you hold dear, there's a some kind of resentment of 268 00:13:44,300 --> 00:13:48,000 someone saying. Well actually but what a serious 269 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,700 thinker does is they suppress their own emotions instead of 270 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:54,500 expressing that others in a thinly veiled effort to get them 271 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:58,700 to shut up. Have you done any research on 272 00:13:58,700 --> 00:14:02,100 the difference between Indian American incomes, Asian, 273 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:05,400 American incomes and European American incomes? 274 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,300 Well, I've gone over a lot of this data, but the data that I 275 00:14:09,308 --> 00:14:12,100 looked at was older back. When there were hardly any South 276 00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:16,700 Asians in America, what I can say about South Asians is now 277 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,500 Hindus will spit, it could be a particular Hindus or now, the 278 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:22,600 highest-earning religion in America, and Indian Americans or 279 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,300 I believe the highest-earning ethnicity, right. 280 00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:26,500 It used to be choose where the high string. 281 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:31,000 But they have been dethroned by Hindus in terms of Asian 282 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,000 earnings. Yeah this is one where on 283 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,200 average Asians out earn whites and this has been true I believe 284 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:42,100 since the late 60s Right now, once again, the very fact that a 285 00:14:42,100 --> 00:14:44,200 group is out, earning another does not mean that they have not 286 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,400 been treated unfairly. Maybe Asians would be making 287 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,300 even more money if they were treated fairly. 288 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,500 What I would say is that at least some of the data are 289 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:55,500 consistent with there, being a fairy, tiny amount of that, 290 00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:58,500 maybe 5%. Although, again, when it's that 291 00:14:58,500 --> 00:15:00,400 small, you always have to be open to the possibility. 292 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,500 Maybe there's something that is a correct alternative 293 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:05,200 explanation that I just haven't thought of yet. 294 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,900 Or is it just a simply not the measured. 295 00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:12,400 The term, patriarchy meaning rule by men is summarized in 296 00:15:12,408 --> 00:15:15,700 point B of your list in this excellent book. 297 00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:19,000 Don't be a feminist. It says men are over represented 298 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,900 at the top levels of business government science and Beyond. 299 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:26,900 I know there's a lot of overlap but when it comes to that claim 300 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:31,200 how do you respond right? Well we can just start by 301 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,900 looking the facts and say is it true that men have a large 302 00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:38,200 majority of the top positions in the search Fields. 303 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,400 And yeah and basically every noun society that is true. 304 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,700 But then the question is, why why? 305 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,100 All right? And secondly, there's the other 306 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:49,700 question of what does it mean on the, what does it mean? 307 00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:51,400 This is where I keep telling people. 308 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,800 Well, let's step back. Yes, men are overrepresented. 309 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,500 The top, do you know what else men are over represented at the 310 00:15:56,508 --> 00:15:58,000 bottom? Men are much more likely to be 311 00:15:58,008 --> 00:15:59,700 homeless. Men are much more likely to be 312 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:03,000 in prison and are much more likely to be. 313 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,700 Let's see Joe to about to die of violence. 314 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,600 That are much more likely to die in combat. 315 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:10,300 At right? So if you'll just go and say 316 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:13,500 that we have a society where men rule when men are so over 317 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:17,300 represented at both the top and the bottom is quite odd and 318 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:19,300 sleep at. What do you mean by that? 319 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,700 I mean, it could you could just say no, no by definition 320 00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:24,000 patriarchy means that men predominate at the top 321 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,100 regardless of whether they predominated the bottom. 322 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,800 But then well, it seems like a kind of arbitrary definition 323 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,900 that just defines a way, a pile of evidence. 324 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:35,500 Right now, in any case, then there is the other big point 325 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:38,700 about Jessica's Mentor over Senator, does it mean that they 326 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:41,600 are unfairly overrepresented. Maybe they simply excelled 327 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,600 through better performance and this is one where we can 328 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,600 definitely look at the areas like science. 329 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,300 And to say, okay, well here are all the main scientific 330 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:53,000 accomplishments of men, what are the corresponding scientific 331 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,100 accomplishments of women? There are some but it's really 332 00:16:57,100 --> 00:17:00,100 hard to find anything remotely close to parody. 333 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,200 There's this is a small example but it is kind of fun. 334 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:07,500 There's a really great cartoon history of comic books and 335 00:17:07,700 --> 00:17:09,500 Anyway, thing is called the comic book history of comic 336 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:11,099 books. There's a first edition where 337 00:17:11,099 --> 00:17:12,800 they just went through the regular history. 338 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,700 And then after it was published, they said, oh wait, we basically 339 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:18,500 mentioned zero women in this entire book. 340 00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:20,900 So then they did a second edition which I also have 341 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:23,500 because they colorized it. And I like the colors where they 342 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:26,900 put in a bunch of pages about women in comics, were they just 343 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:29,600 did a really deep dive and tried to find something that women had 344 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,600 done. All right, it's not true that 345 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,800 women have done nothing in comics, but nevertheless the 346 00:17:34,808 --> 00:17:37,300 fact that you could write a whole book, giving a very 347 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:38,000 thorough. Three. 348 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,500 And then at the end they all wait. 349 00:17:39,700 --> 00:17:42,200 What about women does? Give us an indication. 350 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,300 Look, they just didn't do as much now and the weather you can 351 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:47,200 of course say well yeah but why is that? 352 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:51,300 Why is that right? It's an interesting question. 353 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,800 There are course, again, a bunch of explanations which would not 354 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,000 require In fairness. The simplest one is maybe they 355 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,600 were less interested in comic books. 356 00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:02,300 Is it possible? Women are less interested in 357 00:18:02,300 --> 00:18:05,600 comic books, the men. Yeah, well, if you're not 358 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,400 interested in something, you're probably not going to sell it at 359 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,800 our, you know. All right. 360 00:18:09,900 --> 00:18:11,700 That's something that's worth considering. 361 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:14,600 And of course, the same goes for Natural Sciences a possible, 362 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,800 women are just less interested in Natural Science. 363 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,900 We have a pile of evidence that they are less interested in it. 364 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:22,800 Most obviously, just looking at the majors that people choose to 365 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,100 do. You can always, then come back 366 00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:29,100 and say, well, if physics were properly welcoming to women than 367 00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:30,200 they would be equally represented. 368 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:34,700 Something like well, so you say is there any evidence of this or 369 00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:38,600 is this just something that you always claim whenever you would 370 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,900 backed into a corner or where you've painted yourself into a 371 00:18:40,908 --> 00:18:45,400 corner, with exaggerated hyperbolic paranoid claims? 372 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,500 I'm going to go primarily with the latter, although maybe we 373 00:18:49,500 --> 00:18:52,700 can find something much of what I object to is. 374 00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:57,900 Just the thinly, veiled intimidation when someone ask 375 00:18:57,900 --> 00:19:01,400 questions. Because when someone says well 376 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,800 why do you think it is? I think not really asking you 377 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,900 why you think it is. They are trying to make you 378 00:19:07,900 --> 00:19:11,500 scared to talk so that ever so that everyone has to pretend 379 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:14,300 that they've got it all figured out and they know the answer is 380 00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:18,000 unfairness when there's obviously plenty of other 381 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,800 explanations on the table. One thing that I did not mention 382 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,000 in the essay, don't be a feminist. 383 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,600 A letter to my daughter is that we do have interesting data on 384 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,100 what happened to Jews versus women. 385 00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:34,400 And there was a great emancipation in both law and 386 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,400 social norms. So we can see is that if foot 387 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,600 back when when Jews were in the ghetto and Europe, then they had 388 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,000 very, very low share of your of world achievement in science, 389 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,200 literature, philosophy and so on. 390 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,400 Then with you go and take a look at measures of achievement that 391 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,800 you'll see in dictionaries of achievement. 392 00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:57,100 You'll see that very soon after the ghettos were ended, Jewish 393 00:19:57,100 --> 00:20:00,500 achievement skyrocketed from just a few Percent of 394 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:05,100 achievements like 25%. Women on the other hand, when 395 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:08,100 barriers came down, have not risen to anything remotely like 396 00:20:08,100 --> 00:20:10,200 that. So, I think this does show free 397 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,400 in the case of Jews, it looks like it really was a system that 398 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,900 was suppressing, natural performance for women. 399 00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:18,100 The data are just much less in favor of that. 400 00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:22,300 And I am only a messenger. This is not my fault a common 401 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:26,500 misconception about the this book and especially to a say is 402 00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:29,200 that this is expressing some kind of anger and hostility 403 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,000 towards women. Nothing could be further from 404 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,900 the truth, the subtitles Is a letter to my daughter. 405 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,100 If you read it, it is me talking to her, trying to explain to 406 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:39,900 her, what is really going on in the world. 407 00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:42,500 Do I want my daughter to have all the good things in life? 408 00:20:42,500 --> 00:20:45,500 Of course, do I have any resentment of her? 409 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:49,300 Not on your life, but I'm not one of the parents who feels 410 00:20:49,300 --> 00:20:51,600 like my kids somehow ruin things for me. 411 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,500 Far from it, my kids are my salvation during code to be a to 412 00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:58,200 be an adult childless adult during covid. 413 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,200 I just would have been out of my mind, right? 414 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,100 At least, I had four kids to keep me company during The Sleek 415 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:06,300 times. Like so like when I present this 416 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:10,100 evidence to her it is not in any kind of negative Spirit. 417 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:14,800 It is just saying, look, let's go and try to face the facts. 418 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,400 Let's realize that just because something is true to, his sickly 419 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,700 does not mean that it is, the definition, your life. 420 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,600 The same time do not be taken in by demagogues, who want to go 421 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,300 and make you blame whatever goes wrong in your life on men 422 00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:31,500 because it's quite likely that man in fact, are not the reason 423 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:35,700 for your problem. Certainly I couldn't imagine the 424 00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:38,400 opposite. Meaning that you cared about 425 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,500 your kids, imagine telling your son, men are 50% of the 426 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:45,900 population, yet 95% of those incarcerated because you're 427 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:47,600 discriminated against little boy. 428 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,500 Good luck in the world. Have a good day. 429 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:52,400 That would be a. That would be like child abuse. 430 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,500 The closest thing I could imagine, right? 431 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:59,000 Although, you know, even there I mean you know that's that's an 432 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,300 interesting one because in the case of discrimination on pay 433 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:06,500 There we do have this very strong economic argument saying 434 00:22:06,500 --> 00:22:09,300 that if there really were substantial pay discrimination 435 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:11,000 by gender, the Via get-rich-quick scheme. 436 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,700 That any business could Avail itself of and the case of the 437 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:16,800 criminal justice system on the other hand, it's not like if it 438 00:22:16,808 --> 00:22:18,500 treats went fairly, you can just say, forget it. 439 00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:21,000 I'm going to go and move to Norway. 440 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,200 I'd say Lee. It is one, we should at least be 441 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,200 more open to the possibility that there is gender 442 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,600 discrimination. The evidence here is not what it 443 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,600 should be, but Warren Farrell, who is an author. 444 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,000 I take very seriously. There's at least present, some 445 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,000 Marshall evidence that women are more likely to get lighter 446 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,900 sentences for some crimes, especially things. 447 00:22:41,900 --> 00:22:46,700 Like, if you go and kill your partner and then claim it, then 448 00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:50,200 claim abuse and basically The Burning Bed defense, women are a 449 00:22:50,208 --> 00:22:52,700 lot more likely to get away with that the men that could, of 450 00:22:52,708 --> 00:22:55,400 course reflect the true. The reality that women are more 451 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,000 likely be living in fear for their lives. 452 00:22:57,300 --> 00:23:00,200 We also does go over some interesting evidence on spousal 453 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,200 violence or enter partner, violence recess. 454 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,800 It's a lot more complicated than most people think in terms of 455 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,100 most measures, it's very similar by gender. 456 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:11,800 Even in terms of severity, he says that women were more likely 457 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,300 to use a weapon or more likely to get a man to commit their 458 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:18,000 violence for them. So actually even on the severity 459 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,700 measures it is not so clear that in partner abuse that's men are 460 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,300 or actually worse overall than women but this is where the 461 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:29,500 evidence I would say is quite a bit weaker, so it's still a good 462 00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:32,400 idea is to keep an open mind on it but it was eye-opening to me 463 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,300 to realize it's not actually And shut. 464 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:41,300 Have you seen think of a non bizarre way to say this? 465 00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:45,400 Have you seen a baby's reaction to being circumcised? 466 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,700 Woohoo, I never have I managed to get all of my sons to not be 467 00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:53,800 circumcised. It was done to me but of course, 468 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,600 I have no memory of it. The claim that they don't feel 469 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,100 pain at that age to seem so absurd, right? 470 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:02,800 Yes. So I have been anti-circumcision 471 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,900 for a long time in terms Of watch the actual most practical 472 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:10,100 way to deal with it. I think it's a bad idea to 473 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,100 actually take kids away from their parents for it because 474 00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:15,400 circumcision does not predict doing a bunch of other horrible 475 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,000 things here kids. But yeah, like it is one where 476 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,900 the way that people accept it, so casually seems absurd to me. 477 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,100 So, yeah, I think yeah. So actually, there is an essay 478 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:28,300 in, don't be afraid it is. And don't be a feminist. 479 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,200 Yeah. Where I talk about Michael 480 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,200 chabon who has an essay on the circumcision of his kids need to 481 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,900 goes over all the arguments and says, Yeah. 482 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:37,400 None of the arguments in favor circumcision. 483 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,500 Ready? Good probably hurts a lot but 484 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,800 haha. Well that's just how we are. 485 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,500 We're we are flaky creatures, we are none. 486 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:48,500 Can say when a parent will do and so he circumcised him 487 00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:51,500 anyway, right? And when I read that, so as I 488 00:24:51,508 --> 00:24:53,500 say in the essay, it's almost never do. 489 00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:56,400 I just want to throw a book across a room and that was one 490 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,200 where I was like, what the hell? This is like, you're in a 491 00:25:00,208 --> 00:25:04,500 society where they clip off one, knuckle of a baby's finger and 492 00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:07,000 the, with a, on the base of a Flimsy arguments and then you 493 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,900 say, yeah, well, there's no good reason to do it but clip, haha, 494 00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:13,400 very funny isn't, it isn't life? So ironic and Whimsical. 495 00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:16,900 So yeah, well, it was something that I always thought. 496 00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:19,600 Wow, that's a parent sort of like, how they choose the name, 497 00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:21,700 they choose, which closed the kids where they choose the kids 498 00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:23,700 haircut. You can choose to work to not to 499 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:27,400 and then I saw like four or five videos of it and then I asked a 500 00:25:27,408 --> 00:25:30,100 doctor I said hold on. Am I only seeing these videos 501 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:31,900 because they're the worst examples and they go? 502 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,000 No that's generally how it's done and it's too risky to like 503 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,600 put a kid on. Under and give him an 504 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,300 anesthetic. So I mean they would never do 505 00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:40,500 that. So yeah, that's how it is and I 506 00:25:40,508 --> 00:25:45,500 go I think that was like the one thing that took me maybe 12 to 507 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:49,100 24 hours, to totally change my mind on everything else. 508 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:52,700 I've gone Kicking and Screaming. But that's like, oh, I need to 509 00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:55,500 absolutely be against this even if it's uncomfortable for my 510 00:25:55,500 --> 00:25:57,300 friends. Having kids, I'm going to bring 511 00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:01,200 it up and they can hate me, but I got so many Kaplan books to 512 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,400 read that I could lose a few friends. 513 00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,600 Yeah, right. After my, First two sons were 514 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,300 born. The doctor came in and said okay 515 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:12,100 well when do we schedule the circumcision and I was strongly 516 00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:15,800 tempted, just to say, are there any other healthy body parts you 517 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,200 think we ought to amputate? But I just said, we're not doing 518 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,600 it and he's like, oh, and then you did look at my name and then 519 00:26:23,608 --> 00:26:26,500 he's like, well, mmm Jewish last name. 520 00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:27,500 What? You're going to go and break 521 00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:30,200 this chain letter of amputation. That's gone on for thousands of 522 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,600 years. Like yeah, I'm Breaking the 523 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,200 Chain Letter. No. 524 00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:38,400 From Moses and it stops with Kaplan. 525 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,300 Wow, just unbelievable. You really threw a wrench in 526 00:26:41,308 --> 00:26:46,000 that chain letter, F men view women as sex objects. 527 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,800 This does not allow women to go about their lives and live with 528 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,300 dignity because they're constantly being treated as a 529 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:56,200 means to an end, not as an n in am of themself. 530 00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:59,200 How do you respond right to start? 531 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,100 There's hyperbole there like an enormous amount of hyperbole. 532 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:05,700 Yes. Didn't like unless you're a 533 00:27:05,708 --> 00:27:09,100 supermodel and even there, it's unclear like constantly being 534 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,200 being being approached. That's just a gross 535 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,200 exaggeration. Like I've talked to many women 536 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,800 and ends with the amount of times it actually happens is not 537 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,000 nearly that high like Bots. There's two ways of go of going 538 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,100 about this. So you want to point out and 539 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:27,100 like so like there's a lot of Truth in it. 540 00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:30,000 This is the way that a lot of men especially young men see 541 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,900 women but guess what? It is a two-way street. 542 00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:35,700 It is also True. That a lot of women seem any 543 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:39,100 success objects that they just look at a guy and say, well, 544 00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:42,900 here's this guy done well in the world and it done as well as a 545 00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:45,000 career, is he rich? In that case? 546 00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:47,000 I like that guy. Like. 547 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,800 So in both cases, you may say he Woods is an example of human 548 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,800 beings being superficial. It's not the most reason. 549 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,600 It is not the most admirable trait. 550 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,400 It's one that we do see across both genders right now. 551 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,500 Furthermore, in terms of the general complaining mean this is 552 00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:06,600 a thought experiment that I Does really give us a lot of insight. 553 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,000 Just imagine that you could go and turn your dial a fiscal 554 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,600 track missed anywhere. You want from zero to ten 555 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,700 wherever you put it. You were gonna have to deal with 556 00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:18,600 all the good and all the bad of that attractiveness. 557 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,600 Where would most men put it where most women put it? 558 00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:25,400 I think very few people would put it below average. 559 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:29,200 Because yes being being physically attractive gives you 560 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,500 a lot of good things in life. It does have some mild downsides 561 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:37,300 but overall it is a good thing and for someone to go and really 562 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:42,300 complain about that does strike me as a strange set of 563 00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:46,200 priorities and just a strange perspective likes the only for 564 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,500 Alma. Yeah like you might say, I'm 565 00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:49,100 really smart. This is terrible because now 566 00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:50,900 people as people want to go and ask me for help on their 567 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:55,200 homework, Well, expose they will but guess what? 568 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,800 You get to be smart. So, maybe it is not the most 569 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,300 reasonable. Most most reasonable or serious 570 00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:04,100 complaint to be sharing for attention. 571 00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:10,300 Yeah, I knew a very rich girl, in school who lied and said she 572 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:12,700 was poor. Because at her previous School, 573 00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:15,100 everyone knew she was rich. And she didn't know who her 574 00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:17,800 friends were like, people were constantly using her and I go, 575 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,100 okay, I get that. That's a small problem and the 576 00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,800 large scale of things. But it's actually a really 577 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,100 difficult psychological issue. The are the people, you surround 578 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:28,900 yourself? They say, they like you, but 579 00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,100 you've only been fooled a hundred times before. 580 00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:33,900 So yeah, young person would have that attitude. 581 00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:37,500 I can see someone you like in their 30s, wearing about that 582 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:40,500 kind of thing. But you just just like how long 583 00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:42,400 could even keep that a secret? Unless you don't have any 584 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,600 friends. So if you have any friends, 585 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,700 they're going to come to your house. 586 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:46,300 They'll see how you live in the motel people. 587 00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:51,000 So it's a strange story but of course, the world is full of 588 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,700 strange things. So big. 589 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,100 In response to the claim that women do a disproportionate 590 00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:58,900 amount of housework and care for the kids. 591 00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,500 And don't get compensated, you had mentioned that you went to 592 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:05,100 Europe. I believe with one of your kids 593 00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:09,200 and you saw a lot of women and children who were refugees from 594 00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:12,200 Ukraine. But you didn't see any men if 595 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,800 you had to guess, where do you think they were? 596 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,000 Yeah. Well they're stuck in Ukraine. 597 00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:19,500 Most of them are not fighting. It's not like the only like 598 00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,800 Ukraine has an army of 15 million guys or anything like 599 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,500 that. Rather, it's just a law saying 600 00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:29,100 that if you are between 16 and 60, you are a males, are not 601 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,200 allowed to leave Ukraine. Yes. 602 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000 So this is a gross violation. And then, furthermore, this is 603 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,700 one where they don't even have the excuse of, we need them 604 00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:40,500 soldiers. Like a guy who's 59 is going to 605 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:42,800 be a soldier, right? That's pretty ridiculous. 606 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,400 I mean it's moving but would be more reasonable to keep the 13 607 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,000 year old guys in the country. Because if a war goes on three 608 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,800 years then you can draft them then. 609 00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:53,400 But yeah, like really what's going on is like well men, there 610 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,000 were Role is just to be human Shields, right? 611 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,400 And even if you're not a soldier still we don't want the world 612 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,100 thinking that we're cowards and that we have adult men leaving 613 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:02,800 the country. Yeah. 614 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,000 So there is that what was the use of illegal? 615 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,800 What was the, what was the Prior Park? 616 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,300 So your contrasting, the like the like the treatment of 617 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:14,600 Ukraine. With what was the other thing? 618 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,500 You were just said before just refresh my memory? 619 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,300 Well, the claim was that women do a disproportionate amount. 620 00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:20,800 Yeah, yeah. So that's one. 621 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,300 Actually that is just not that that is all you. 622 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,300 It is true. They do a disproportionate share 623 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:28,200 of housework, but if you go and some paid labor, and unpaid 624 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,400 labor, then the average for the two genders, according to the 625 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,700 best time diary work in sociology, is a very equal in 626 00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:39,500 the real story is that there are some women who do put in a lot 627 00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:42,200 more hours than the average man and other women who put in a lot 628 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,700 less hours than the average man. So basically, the women who do 629 00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:49,400 put in a lot more hours than the average man are working moms 630 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:52,400 working moms a full-time job. So they with you going some, 631 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,500 they're paid labor pool, son, Labor is really high, on the 632 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:57,900 other hand, if you look at stay-at-home moms there, the 633 00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:00,900 total amount of Labor they're putting in is actually way lower 634 00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:03,800 than a full-time job on average, right? 635 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,800 And this is even though as again, Warren Farrell points 636 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,600 out, there is a bias in this research because a lot of things 637 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,600 that men do that, don't get properly counted as housework, 638 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:15,800 for example, men are much more likely to go and drive when 639 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,400 there are when they are when they are with their partner. 640 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,800 And we don't generally consider this to be a form of Labor and 641 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,700 yet driving a cab is So it's unclear, why being the being the 642 00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:28,700 person that drives the family car when the families together 643 00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:32,500 would be considered as such. So that in that's probably a lot 644 00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:36,500 of time actually. So if we did a better, better 645 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:40,200 distinction between different activities than quite as it 646 00:32:40,208 --> 00:32:43,000 seems likely to actually wind up coming out of mints favors long, 647 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,100 as you some, both kinds of work. How is it that the military 648 00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:51,600 conscription aspect that yes applies in Ukraine but it's 649 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,700 applied in America since like the Civil War I can from what I 650 00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:59,800 could find, it's applied in Britain and all over the world 651 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,500 and today you still have to register. 652 00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:05,100 But I mean imagine if like just blacks had to register for 653 00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:08,400 forced agricultural work in case of a food shortage. 654 00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:12,800 I mean, I think we might hear about that every now and then 655 00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:17,100 yeah, register just in case how That such forced labor. 656 00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:21,100 The most immoral thing has been so clearly overlooked by like, 657 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,900 almost everyone. Yeah, you notice the women and 658 00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:27,200 children. First ethos it is men's job to 659 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,400 quietly loyally, bravely die as slaves, if their country asks 660 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,800 for it and it's not woman's job to do that. 661 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,200 Woman's job is to be protected, right? 662 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,600 And this kind of attitude, is there such that if a guy were to 663 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,000 pointed out, not only women, men would also make fun of him, 664 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,000 right? Oh yeah. 665 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,500 Or chicken, you're too scared. Oh, you don't want to die? 666 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,800 Hell yeah, I don't want to die. Yeah, I've had to explain to a 667 00:33:52,808 --> 00:33:55,500 few friends that they're like. So you wouldn't defend the 668 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:59,300 country and I go defend the Biden regime who calls me sexist 669 00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:01,700 racist and xenophobic every chance they get. 670 00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:05,200 No, I would not be spending a penny to defend the Biden 671 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,700 regime. If Putin wanted to install some 672 00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:11,300 I'm sorry. Why do men commit suicide? 673 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,500 So much more often. Yeah, that's a good question. 674 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,900 So usually people distinguishing attempts and successful suicides 675 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,400 attempts, women seem to do better on actual numbers though 676 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,400 man or the embedding a better. Yeah, women women have more 677 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,500 suicides ruse, or suicide attempts. 678 00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:31,600 Men have more actual suicides. The proximate cause is men 679 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,199 choose the methods that work. Women choose the methods that 680 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:39,300 are unreliable, the best explanation I think is that when 681 00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:42,699 women do it is, more of a cry for help and they want to go and 682 00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:45,300 get more. They don't kill you, they may 683 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:47,600 very well, have a serious problem, but it's one where it 684 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,100 is a cry for help, where you're doing it, not to end your 685 00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:52,100 problem, but to get people to get people, to take you 686 00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:54,900 seriously men on the other hand, when they commit suicide, it's 687 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:56,000 because they've actually decided. 688 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,700 I want to be dead right now as For What the deeper reasons for 689 00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:03,700 that for that are like, it's really hard to say. 690 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:07,000 You like so you could save our society teaches men that they're 691 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,500 Expendable. Because that's possible Right. 692 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:14,400 Another one could be Men actually feel like if there's no 693 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,300 one left in their lives, that cares about them that their 694 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:20,500 lives are not worth living. And to say that's false, I don't 695 00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:21,500 know. Maybe it's true that if you 696 00:35:21,508 --> 00:35:23,300 don't have anyone who cares about your life isn't worth 697 00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:25,300 living. If you're young enough you might 698 00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,500 say, well then find some people. If you're at a point where 699 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:30,100 that's not like that happen and then you can see that you could 700 00:35:30,107 --> 00:35:33,900 have a different attitude. And I think that overall our 701 00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:39,800 views on suicide are deeply confused, where you see the 03 702 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,400 like the real issue that is that a lot of people kill themselves 703 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,100 or people where the with they clearly actually think things 704 00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:48,900 are hopeless, but it's not. And there's a lot of things they 705 00:35:48,908 --> 00:35:51,200 can do to turn things around and they, especially if you're 706 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,200 young, the idea that you're going to feel this way forever. 707 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,500 So strong on the other end, is a lot of people who are especially 708 00:35:56,500 --> 00:36:00,800 old who are in horrible constant Agony and for them. 709 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,100 I think it's totally reasonable to say suicide is an In that, we 710 00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:05,300 have that you should think about. 711 00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:09,200 And yes, there is so much stigma against just being honest about 712 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,500 that. It's like, oh well you think 713 00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:12,500 that just because someone is constant Agony their life isn't 714 00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:14,700 worth living. Yeah for me I would say my life 715 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:16,800 wasn't worth living the only reason it would be you see if 716 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,800 there's a prospect of the agony ending in life turning back to 717 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,800 something like normal and once you know the prognosis is not 718 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,400 that. Yeah. 719 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:30,600 When it comes to having an empirical test or some Metric to 720 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,300 determining, if someone is or isn't sexist, I wanted to ask 721 00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:37,800 you this because I was talking to someone and she is 100% 722 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,100 positive that I'm a sexist. Just like the sun is shining, 723 00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:44,300 she's positive and I go. I'm actually a hundred percent. 724 00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:46,600 Sure. You are because you explicitly 725 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,000 judge people by their sex and not by you know, the content of 726 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,900 their character is there an empirical test or some Metric, 727 00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:58,600 we can actually use to verify Who is and who is not sexist, 728 00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:00,900 racist homophobic bigot, excetera. 729 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,400 Well it's a good question and of course it needs to start with. 730 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,800 What do you mean by it? Normally of course people say 731 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,500 well I just mean it in the normal way, right? 732 00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:14,300 Because if you declare that you're accurate by virtue of 733 00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:17,200 just using words and words ways, it is not very satisfying 734 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,900 Victory. If you say, hey, there's over 735 00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:23,000 3,000 planets in our solar system, it's like will know 736 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:23,700 know. So yeah. 737 00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:27,400 Well by Planet, I mean human beings it's like oh well in that 738 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,000 case, there's over 3,000 human beings in our solar system 739 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000 selenite. Yes, right now. 740 00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:34,800 So when people make claims, the especially ones that are 741 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,900 controversial normally the Ideas. 742 00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:40,500 You want to start with words as they are conventionally used and 743 00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:43,500 then say something surprising while using the words in the 744 00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:46,500 normal way. So, I would say is that the way 745 00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:50,900 that people normally use these words is for a sexist. 746 00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:54,300 This is someone who treat me like who judges someone based 747 00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:58,000 upon their gender regardless Ali Ali Ali. 748 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,500 What's the best was faced with putting it? 749 00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:03,000 Sometimes they'll someone who all else equal favors, one 750 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,800 gender over the other. Something like that, racism, 751 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,700 someone who All else equal favors One race over another 752 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,000 right? So that would be the reasonable 753 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000 standard. That is roughly what people 754 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,100 mean? So yeah, if you say that someone 755 00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:18,100 is sexist, because they think that women aren't just good 756 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:20,600 basketball players as man just like, well, it's just a fact. 757 00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:25,600 If there were to be actually a game, the an inter-gender game 758 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,300 and then immediately, they like a male and male versus female 759 00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:30,800 game. They all play by the rules and 760 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,600 the women and the men win for someone to say that was sexism. 761 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,000 Like no, it wasn't. It was the men were better at 762 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:36,800 basketball. Ball. 763 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,900 Then the women, right? So those would not be reasonable 764 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:42,500 standards again, it would have to be something like what 765 00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:46,200 economists are doing when they try to estimate degree of gender 766 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,600 discrimination and pay where they say, let's go and compare 767 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,100 men and women who matched in terms of what they do. 768 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,700 And then see whether there is a still a pay Gap left after that. 769 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,100 Same thing for racism or any other of those it really does. 770 00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:03,900 It really like it in the background of ordinary language, 771 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:08,200 there is a notion of its Got to be because of that, not, 772 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,300 coincidentally because of something that correlates with 773 00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:10,700 that.