1 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:03,800 If uman beings are so careless stupid and malicious that they 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,000 cannot be trusted to do the right thing on their own. 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,400 How would the situation be improved by taking a subset of 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:10,800 those? Same careless, stupid and 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,900 malicious human beings and giving them societal permission 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,400 to forcibly control. All the others. 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,200 Welcome to Keith's, Mike, don't tread on anyone. 8 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:20,300 And the libertarian Institute today. 9 00:00:20,300 --> 00:00:23,100 I'm joined by Magnus panned Vidya. 10 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:25,200 Is that how you pronounce your last name? 11 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:27,700 Yeah you I mean you stumbled a little bit. 12 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:30,400 We asked Pain video. I swear I put Okay, I've 13 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:41,700 learned, I've heard like beforehand and I'm not sure why 14 00:00:41,700 --> 00:00:47,100 a check out the description for his linked tree links, you'll be 15 00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:49,900 able to find his podcast, as well as where you could find him 16 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:52,200 on social media. Magnus. 17 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:54,500 What does it mean to be a Libertarian Anarchist? 18 00:00:55,500 --> 00:01:00,500 So it means not giving up on electoral politics, but, Not 19 00:01:00,500 --> 00:01:02,200 viewing it as the Final Solution. 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,800 That's, that's how I would Define it because I definitely 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,600 see there's a subset of the community. 22 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,500 They're like, never vote, never bother. 23 00:01:09,500 --> 00:01:12,700 Never use this giant government institution that you could take 24 00:01:12,700 --> 00:01:15,900 advantage of to push your ideas. And then you have the other ones 25 00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:18,600 that are like just Libertarians. They're like, well, I like I 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,400 like the, you know, a little government, not a lot of 27 00:01:21,408 --> 00:01:22,700 governments, a little government. 28 00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:27,100 And yeah, I mean between those I'm a full-throated Anarchist, 29 00:01:27,100 --> 00:01:31,800 but I don't deny the the Opportunity to have the 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,600 government pay for me to platform my ideas. 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,200 And when we hear the word, Anarchy one might think of, you 32 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,600 know, throwing trash cans, no order, really existing. 33 00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:44,100 What does it mean to be an anarchist? 34 00:01:45,100 --> 00:01:48,400 Be an anarchist to me is just when I go out and take out my 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,900 garbage, when I talk to my neighbor, when I go on this 36 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:55,200 podcast, when I decide, what I'm going to eat for dinner is of 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,100 bunch of voluntary, spontaneous interactions between cognizant 38 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:01,200 human beings. You're quoting the beginning. 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,800 Summed it up perfectly of. Well, we already all do this. 40 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:08,699 So by just giving people authority to regulate it. 41 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:11,200 It's no different than if we just continue to do it on our 42 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,400 own. So why do we even bother with 43 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,400 that whole power structure and force that comes with that? 44 00:02:17,700 --> 00:02:21,500 Are you do you associate with black lives matter, the 45 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:23,600 organization? I do not associate with the 46 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,300 organization. Thankfully, most of the 47 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:28,100 activists no longer associated with the organization, which is 48 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:31,700 the best part, but the Movement in general, I'd say broadly. 49 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:35,000 Yes, specifically, obviously there's a lot of disagreements 50 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,900 that kind of are there. But the a lot of the general 51 00:02:37,900 --> 00:02:41,300 concepts and themes. I do kind of identify, with of 52 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:46,200 all the activists that I've met who are part of BLM or use that 53 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,000 term, black lives matter to explain their position or ideas 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,500 that they value. But I haven't run into any 55 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:55,200 Anarchist there. What would be your elevator 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:00,200 pitch to a black lives matter? Advocate participant to We get 57 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:05,300 them to consider the idea of anarchism or voluntourism take 58 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:07,400 all of the legitimate arguments in critiques. 59 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,100 You have about abolishing the police and just apply it to 60 00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:14,900 everything. If someone is a conservative, 61 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:17,700 what is your elevator pitch to them? 62 00:03:17,700 --> 00:03:20,200 If they have, not really considered the ideas of 63 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,200 anarchism. I would say, after this last 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,000 year. I don't know how you could hold 65 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,600 onto conservatism. What it has been proven that all 66 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,400 of these institutions including, you know, people that are you 67 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,700 elected, to represent, you have turned on, you have shut your 68 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:36,100 business down, have sold out your money and have sic the 69 00:03:36,108 --> 00:03:39,800 police on you and all of the usual conservative, kind of cope 70 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,600 things of the cops will never do that. 71 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:45,300 And the Constitution will protect us and the magic Sky 72 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:48,800 cloth, has these ideas that are indivisible like they've been 73 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,200 proven wrong categorically. So it's like, you're either in 74 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,000 denying reality, or you're starting to take the red pill. 75 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,500 Say, I am a progressive, sort of, so not like Killer Mike. 76 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:02,000 I'm more of a Robert Reich Progressive who? 77 00:04:02,300 --> 00:04:04,700 Well, I have my criticisms of the police. 78 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,200 I really see them as a great mechanism that we as a society 79 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,400 can employ in order to see. In order to achieve desirable 80 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,000 ends, Healthcare higher wages, better living standards 81 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,899 infrastructure, keeping things of some sort of in line or 82 00:04:20,899 --> 00:04:23,100 organized. How would you communicate? 83 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,800 Well, not to Robert bright. But I mean, those a Robert 84 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,800 Robert Reich in particular, I would say it was all those 85 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,800 things so he can sic the police on me to get what he wants. 86 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:34,400 Exactly. But there are a lot of people 87 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,400 who get. He's got 1.3 million Twitter 88 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,100 followers. There's a lot of people who 89 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:41,400 ideologically are a Robert Reich, default. 90 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,400 Progressive. What do you say to them? 91 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:45,700 When advocating? The idea of anarchism? 92 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:51,300 That one's a lot harder. I do find like the, the kind of 93 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:56,100 democrat Progressive and the GOP conservative like the actual 94 00:04:56,100 --> 00:04:58,400 like, not just like, oh, I vote for the GOP because they're the 95 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,300 closest I got. But like, actually believes in 96 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:03,800 the GOP GOP, conserves the hardest ones to break through 97 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,900 and it requires so much poking and prodding to like get them on 98 00:05:07,900 --> 00:05:10,700 because that's that's Peak. Statism like that is the top of 99 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:14,200 the political Spectrum. Mmm, they are closer to what you 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,200 would Define as fascism under like the actual definition than 101 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,800 anything else. Because they really do just want 102 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,500 the government to control and run everything. 103 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:29,000 And it's like, You have mentioned that there were a 104 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,600 number of authors who have motivated. 105 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,700 You are given you a lot of intellectual backing. 106 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:36,900 What is the most important thing you learned from or contribution 107 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:38,400 of Murray? Bookchin? 108 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 So Murray, Murray bookchin more than anything is kind of where 109 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,900 the unity concept comes from. Because Murray bookchin, despite 110 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:48,100 being like, a self-identified Marxist. 111 00:05:48,100 --> 00:05:51,400 Left-leaning Anarchist. He is actually spoken at the 112 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,300 libertarian National Convention more than a few times and he was 113 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:58,900 actually friends with several. Libertarians, and he gave the 114 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:02,200 speech at the lp convention, while he was being interviewed 115 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,000 by reason mag that kind of like slotted into everything that I'm 116 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,700 trying to accomplish with the unity Coalition of, he described 117 00:06:09,700 --> 00:06:12,800 himself as like he in an anarchist Society. 118 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,200 He would much rather prefer to be a collectivist Anarchist, but 119 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,300 he did not immediately hate or think that like what ancap 120 00:06:21,300 --> 00:06:24,100 wanted was inherently bad? As long as it was actual 121 00:06:24,100 --> 00:06:26,500 anarchism and that in fact he would take it. 122 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,800 Even further to where if his collectivist anarchism Society 123 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,900 became totalitarian in any way that he would leave that and go 124 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,100 join up with the an caps to fight the tyranny of his 125 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:39,600 collectivist society. And that was his whole kind of 126 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,100 point is like the whole reason why we're all anarchists is to 127 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,400 fight tyranny and oppression. So I don't care where that's 128 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,700 coming from. I will join with, whoever I have 129 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:52,200 to join with, to fight against whatever form it takes, and that 130 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,600 was like, very, like whole. Like, you know, this, this, this 131 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,800 is a Marxist, like speaking it, like, You know, right? 132 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,900 Like The rothbart Institute in like the like at the like with 133 00:07:00,900 --> 00:07:03,000 mises caucus, people is something like that back in the 134 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000 80s being like yeah, I would. I like you guys. 135 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,600 You're fine. And actually like a lot of 136 00:07:07,608 --> 00:07:10,300 people on my side, call me like a petty bourgeoisie and I would 137 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:12,500 much rather hang out with you then them and it's like holy 138 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:15,400 crap. Like he got it earlier than a 139 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,900 lot of people got it. And that's kind of like been a 140 00:07:17,900 --> 00:07:21,800 big inspiration for me. I have run into a lot of that 141 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,900 when people say, you know, I really like the idea of everyone 142 00:07:25,900 --> 00:07:27,800 sort of Chip. Being in, there's a lot of 143 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,000 camaraderie. There's a lot of solidarity. 144 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,600 I feel like I have meaning, I don't believe in God. 145 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,000 So this sort of group is my Collective identity and they 146 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,500 still support people's right to contract. 147 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:43,700 So employee-employer taking out loans, those sorts of things, 148 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,300 that would be consistent with the volunteer store in Echo 149 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,100 capitalist. I've been seeing a lot of that, 150 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:52,700 and it's really cool to have the whole panarchy or meta. 151 00:07:52,700 --> 00:07:56,100 Our key kind of like movement or anarchism without adjectives of 152 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:59,400 essentially. Like whether anyone wants to 153 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,100 admit it or not because obviously people get very 154 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:04,300 defensive. There's nothing. 155 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,200 And this isn't a criticism of anarchism be very quickly, quick 156 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,400 with it. But there's nothing stopping a 157 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,000 narco communist Collective from being totalitarian and there's 158 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,900 nothing stopping an anarcho-capitalist like business 159 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:18,300 from being totalitarian. That's a problem. 160 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:21,300 We're going to have to deal with, it will come up, but that 161 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:24,500 doesn't mean that those ideas are inherently invalid. 162 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:27,600 As long as they are voluntary and in Fact, it'll be easier to 163 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,300 deal with those problems. If the anarcho Communists in 164 00:08:30,308 --> 00:08:32,799 their commune and then like the anarcho-capitalist has like a 165 00:08:32,808 --> 00:08:36,299 business venture saw. One of those organizations 166 00:08:36,299 --> 00:08:39,000 forming one of those like tyrannical institutions forming 167 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,600 in banded together to fight it instead of sitting there and be 168 00:08:41,608 --> 00:08:43,600 like, oh, you're not a real Anarchist back and forth to each 169 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,300 other. And I think people are kind of 170 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:47,800 slowly getting that. Yeah. 171 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,600 I've always said that tyranny can exist under sort of any 172 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,800 society. The reason you'd want anarchism 173 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,500 is because you want the ability to disassociate and not. 174 00:08:56,700 --> 00:08:59,100 Fund certain tyrants, but with the state. 175 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:01,300 Well, they are the one tyranny organization. 176 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:04,300 You can't opt out of funding and then even your neighbors will be 177 00:09:04,308 --> 00:09:07,200 like, well, you're not following the law even though they don't 178 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,900 hold that standard for any other organization in society, in 179 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:13,600 particular, like like especially growing up in a very 180 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,300 conservative area. Like I'll use that as an 181 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:18,600 example, but the progressives fall under this to, like the 182 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,400 supply, both ways of these people will always slip up and 183 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,500 they'll always accidentally break this law or push the line 184 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:27,200 or whatever and they'll sell Rationalizing. 185 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,100 But all this, just a slip-up. I'm a good person. 186 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:32,000 I'm a good law-abiding person, but then they'll see you slip up 187 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:34,100 and they'll be like, well, that's what you get for breaking 188 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:35,400 the law. And it's like, every 189 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,400 conservative. I knew was was smoking. 190 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,900 Marijuana was illegal and like making moonshine and driving 191 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:43,100 over the speed limit and everything, but and that was 192 00:09:43,100 --> 00:09:45,200 fine because there are law-abiding citizen and this was 193 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,000 just, you know, they're just pushing the boundary a little 194 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,400 bit but then, you know, like like a black guy in Detroit or 195 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:51,800 something. We'll get pulled over with some 196 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,100 marijuana would like see they should have just followed the 197 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:58,000 law and it's hypocrisy baked in. Almost every single person 198 00:09:58,100 --> 00:10:01,300 commits multiple felonies a day without even realizing it. 199 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:03,800 Like it's just how the world works. 200 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:06,700 It's impossible to run a business without breaking the 201 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:10,100 law because you just don't know. I mean, there's thousands and 202 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:13,100 thousands of regulations. No one has read them. 203 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,700 So by simply by acting in the absence of having read all these 204 00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:18,900 you're definitely going to break them. 205 00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:23,000 So we're doing you guys a favor, don't put that obligation on 206 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,100 yourself. That you have to abide by the 207 00:10:25,100 --> 00:10:28,900 arbitrary edicts of of a Congress that you often call 208 00:10:28,900 --> 00:10:32,300 corrupt and lying. Why do you have an obligation to 209 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:36,300 obey them out of all groups? In society, nine percent like 210 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:39,300 total approval across all of the government, I think was like the 211 00:10:39,300 --> 00:10:42,400 Aggregate and yet we're still like we're still keeping this 212 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,000 up, like why? You know, I can't do that and 213 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:50,800 that's nine percent of people. I don't run into anyone who was 214 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,600 just generally happy with Congress in general. 215 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,400 I mean that they always say the other party. 216 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,100 Too much power. And if there are extremists that 217 00:10:59,100 --> 00:11:01,700 are controlling of it, I have trouble believing, it's as high 218 00:11:01,700 --> 00:11:04,200 as nine percent. But even if we go with that, I 219 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,500 think that's the aggregate is like, if you take like, like 220 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,100 Senate Congress, like, the federal agencies, the president 221 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:11,700 like everything. And I think that was the, you 222 00:11:11,700 --> 00:11:14,300 combine them all together. That was the aggregate because 223 00:11:14,300 --> 00:11:18,100 the president will be like, 37. Congress will be like 11. 224 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,200 The house will be like six, you know, combine them all together 225 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,200 and that's what you get. Most important thing you learned 226 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,100 from the work of Marie and rothbard very and rothbard 227 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:32,700 definitely just kind of all the economics of everything because 228 00:11:32,700 --> 00:11:36,800 like despite me probably being much further to the left on the 229 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,500 scale of a lot of like anarcho-capitalism stuff like 230 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:41,300 that. I consider myself a mutualist. 231 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,900 Definitely. I've never given up the markets. 232 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:48,700 I'm still a market Anarchist and just how that works and kind of 233 00:11:48,708 --> 00:11:52,200 that like their writings kind of started to. 234 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,500 I found the Through other people, but they started to like 235 00:11:55,500 --> 00:12:00,500 solidify, like the theory behind it of just how you cannot 236 00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:02,700 regulate the market. You cannot get involved with the 237 00:12:02,708 --> 00:12:03,900 market. Nobody understands. 238 00:12:03,900 --> 00:12:06,100 What the hell, the market is, or what it does. 239 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:10,000 It just exists it operates. However, the hell it pleases in 240 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,400 that moment and attempting to Shackle. 241 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,100 It is just a waste adventure and often results in more negative 242 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:19,200 consequences than letting it just run free. 243 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:22,500 So, that's kind of like, the what I got from all of them out 244 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:24,100 of that. And then, if you Want to talk 245 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:27,200 about like Spooner just you know, the idea that the flag in 246 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,400 the Constitution mean literally nothing like we need to stop a 247 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,600 sizing it so much because it is just a magic piece of paper that 248 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,400 doesn't attribute anything or help us or even hurt us in any 249 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,400 way is just inert. Exactly. 250 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,900 And that's another one. They that they will often say, 251 00:12:46,100 --> 00:12:49,300 well, this country was founded on well, hold on, if the 252 00:12:49,300 --> 00:12:53,200 founding of a country justifies, you know, how people should act 253 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,100 in future. Regions, you don't have the 254 00:12:55,100 --> 00:12:59,100 right to criticize North Korea or Iraq or any of the other 255 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:01,300 countries. You're hating at the moment 256 00:13:01,300 --> 00:13:04,600 because the Press is telling you that there are seconds away from 257 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,800 nuking us all. Well that country was founded by 258 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,100 Kim. Il-sung where the state has 259 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:12,700 abolished the right to private property. 260 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,000 So that's their country. Right? 261 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:17,800 But when you don't have any foundational principles, like 262 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,700 people like bookchin Spooner and rothbard have have given us. 263 00:13:21,700 --> 00:13:23,700 It's like well, you're just setting. 264 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,000 Yourself up to be lost and believe in. 265 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,700 You know, the next, the latest thing you heard from from Fox 266 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:33,000 News, especially when like half of the founders of the country 267 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,300 like bmed vehement, Lee disagreed with the Constitution. 268 00:13:36,300 --> 00:13:40,600 I mean all the Anti-Federalists, you know, Mason all of the like, 269 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,600 even even the people that agreed to it to a degree, like Thomas 270 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,100 Paine and stuff like that. We're still like, this might go 271 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:50,000 a bad way when the Constitution was written. 272 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:53,200 So like it's like, you know, you want to talk about the founding 273 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,200 fathers. Don't usually appoint to like 274 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,200 Washington or Franklin, or anything like that. 275 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,400 I'm usually pointing to some like, belligerently drunk, South 276 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,400 Carolina, man in the swamp who didn't want any government, any 277 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,800 more and begrudgingly accepted this New Foundation. 278 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,200 This at what was Mason's, quote, is something about this. 279 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,400 This this European transplant to the new world, I think is what 280 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,400 he described the Constitution as because they were anarchists, a 281 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,200 lot of a lot of the founding fathers, like the actual people 282 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,000 were anarchists. They legitimately wanted Did you 283 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,400 live in the middle of nowhere and have nobody to tell them 284 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,400 what to do and that they fled from the European Cup European, 285 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,000 you know, continent to go, here to be left, the hell alone and 286 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,200 didn't want anyone telling them what they could or couldn't do. 287 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,100 So, they were very upset. A lot of them are very upset 288 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,600 that the constitution was even written. 289 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,600 What is the most important thing you learned from the work of 290 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:47,300 core potkin or Popkin a gore-ism. 291 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:48,900 That's my big thing. That's the thing. 292 00:14:48,900 --> 00:14:51,800 I preach all the time. Especially I've kind of updated 293 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,700 it because a gore-ism is very pacifist. 294 00:14:53,900 --> 00:14:57,500 I don't I believe in defensive. I don't believe in offensive 295 00:14:57,500 --> 00:14:58,800 action. I'm never going to be an 296 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,400 anarchist. It's going around like throwing 297 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,400 Molotov cocktails and like blowing up government buildings. 298 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,900 I don't think that accomplishes anything really but in terms of 299 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:11,000 just the state only exist because you participate in it. 300 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,900 So the less you participate in it, the more it works and 301 00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:18,100 especially over the lockdowns that's been the biggest thing of 302 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:21,100 like, just running around these conservatives, be like, you can 303 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:23,600 open up any time you want. You just cut. 304 00:15:23,700 --> 00:15:25,400 Good. And if enough of you do it, then 305 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,000 they couldn't do anything about it. 306 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,700 Like there's, yeah, and there's and that's why they're 307 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:34,000 constantly attacking the unity and class Consciousness. 308 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,400 As some would say of the average person because it's like, if I 309 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,700 open up my business, I'm going to jail and I'm getting fined. 310 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,600 But if everyone is on the same page, intellectually or we have 311 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,700 the same sort of spirit of we have the right between, you 312 00:15:49,708 --> 00:15:53,300 know, as nosek would say it capitalist acts between 313 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:55,100 consenting. Adults, or what? 314 00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:57,500 You could, just call a gerasim. We have the right to do this 315 00:15:57,500 --> 00:16:00,600 without you. Don't you say, we are the 316 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,300 government, aren't you us? Okay, let us tell ourselves then 317 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,400 that it's okay for us to open up our business. 318 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:09,100 You got there there. There's more people within 20 319 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:11,200 square miles of where I'm sitting right now. 320 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,100 Then the entire us police force and Military put together. 321 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,700 So like if just my County just said no and did whatever they 322 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:20,800 wanted, the nobody could do anything about it. 323 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,900 So it's just that's that's why I do like like things that are 324 00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:27,600 going on like the free state project in New Hampshire where 325 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:28,800 all the all the Libertarians are. 326 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,500 Just moving to the same place to just take it over and just it's 327 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:34,700 like, there we go. Like, like there's enough of us. 328 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:37,100 Let's let's, let's get some some mutual Aid. 329 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:40,400 Let's let's Embrace some leftist tactics for once, which is my 330 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,800 biggest thing, because I think the thing that confuses 331 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,300 conservatives about me more than anything is that it's not that I 332 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,100 agree with the left, more than the right on principles. 333 00:16:51,300 --> 00:16:54,100 Philosophy and what my like preferred world would be. 334 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,100 But I infinitely like their tactics better than the right 335 00:16:57,100 --> 00:17:01,400 because the right is to complain and beg for authority to respect 336 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,700 their oath. That is the right-wing tactic 337 00:17:03,700 --> 00:17:06,300 whether it be libertarian even anarchists. 338 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:09,000 Even conservatives. That's all they've done. 339 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:11,300 For. My entire life is just pump, the 340 00:17:11,300 --> 00:17:13,500 brakes and beg for things to go back to normal. 341 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,700 While the left is willing to get in the streets. 342 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:17,800 The left is willing to fight. The left is willing to break the 343 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,099 laws and it's like, okay. Well, like look we can start. 344 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,599 Doing that. Like, anytime, you know, like, 345 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:26,000 we could, we could have, we could have a 10,000 person. 346 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,700 March on Washington, d.c. Open carrying firearms. 347 00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:30,700 Saying, we are never going to abide with your laws, and then 348 00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:32,800 peacefully go home. There's nothing they could do 349 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,400 about it. We could do that tomorrow. 350 00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:38,800 But but the, the worship of the law in the worship of doing 351 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,100 things, the way the right kind of does is just paralyzed 352 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,500 people. So that's why I like people 353 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:46,800 confuse me of like, oh, you're a communist, your left Winger or 354 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,300 something like that. It's like, no, I just like how 355 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:53,400 they do things better than we. It's certainly, it's hard to 356 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,300 argue with the the effectiveness. 357 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,100 There was a colleague of Murray rothbard zat, the University of 358 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:03,000 Nevada Las Vegas. Hans, Hermann Hapa who wrote a 359 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:07,000 paper called Marxist and Austrian class analysis in 1990. 360 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:10,500 He says here are five points hit, so hop has an 361 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:13,200 anarcho-capitalist and he says that there are five points of 362 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,200 Marxism. All of which are actually 363 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:21,000 correct, but they incorrectly identify the culprit. 364 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,400 Let me know if you agree with these. 365 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,300 Let's go one by one. Number one. 366 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,600 There was a small parasitic unjust, ruling class who 367 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,900 attempts to roll over the masses. 368 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:35,900 Agree. Or disagree agree, why it 369 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:38,100 exists, definitely. There will always be a class of 370 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:41,600 people that they just seek to dominate, and they will find 371 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,900 whatever power structure, whatever, path would have, 372 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:47,400 whether it be economic socially culturally entertainment. 373 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,400 It doesn't matter. They will find their path to 374 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,800 control people and feel better. People that's just human nature. 375 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,500 It's something we're always gonna have to deal with, it will 376 00:18:54,500 --> 00:18:58,100 never go away. Point number two, the ruling 377 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:01,600 class is ideologically held together by its interest in 378 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,100 keeping the system of exploitation ongoing only an 379 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:08,100 increase in class Consciousness by the exploited. 380 00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:12,100 Can remedy this rulers, never willingly Retreat agree, or 381 00:19:12,100 --> 00:19:14,300 disagree agree. Why? 382 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,700 That definitely you just see that I always there's like the 383 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:22,000 two extremes of there's no conspiracy and then there's a 384 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,100 grand conspiracy where all these people are diligently planning 385 00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:27,400 every single step along. All secretly know. 386 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,700 The reality is that they will oppose each other to get above 387 00:19:31,700 --> 00:19:34,300 each other. But the moment that any normal 388 00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:37,300 person starts to threaten their power, you will see the 389 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:39,900 powers-that-be come together immediately. 390 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:42,200 Whether you know, whether it be in our country, the Republicans 391 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,700 the Democrats, they will fight like cats and dogs until the 392 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:48,600 moment that the normies start to infringe on them whatsoever. 393 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,200 And then they are in lockstep on what they want and what will 394 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,500 benefit them. Point number three, and 395 00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:58,100 ideological superstructure, media education, advertising 396 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:01,600 courts property rights system and police exists to keep the 397 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,400 ruling class in power agree, or disagree. 398 00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:07,300 Yes. It's actually like, I mean, it 399 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:11,300 varies 2°, obviously, some some power structures legal 400 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:13,700 structures, and stuff like that, or better than others, but 401 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:17,400 definitely, in modern America, like, particularly why I say 402 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,900 that boating will never be the final. 403 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:22,700 Like the final solution to this, that economics will never be the 404 00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:25,800 Solution to this that creating your own payment processor, 405 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,200 blah, blah. Like all these things will never 406 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,900 be the final solution of this is because now, in 2021, we have 407 00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:35,600 gotten to the point where the entire structure is completely 408 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,900 built to prevent any real change from happening. 409 00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:43,600 Like, every law, every economic regulation, every, you know, who 410 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,100 can be in and out of the debates. 411 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,500 How you get for political funding? 412 00:20:46,500 --> 00:20:48,500 How you get into the government? How you pass laws? 413 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,900 Every single thing has been structured to wear is impossible 414 00:20:50,900 --> 00:20:54,200 for an outsider to get it and the Closest, we had to that, 415 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,400 which is really sad to say, was Donald Trump and you saw how 416 00:20:57,500 --> 00:21:01,600 that didn't change anything. And the fact that it requires a 417 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:07,100 extremely wealthy braggadocious kind of asshole to even scrape, 418 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,400 you know, the edge of the cathedral shows how bad the 419 00:21:10,408 --> 00:21:13,100 situation is to wear, like anyone who's ten times better 420 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:15,400 than Trump, who might actually have a chance of like changing 421 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,300 things is never going to be allowed to touch the hold the 422 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:21,200 power structures. Excellent points. 423 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,700 Point number four. The ruling class has an inherent 424 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:29,500 tendency to be corrupted concentrated and move towards 425 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:31,800 centralization agree, or disagree. 426 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,700 Groups are who repeat the first part of that you cut out of it. 427 00:21:34,900 --> 00:21:37,600 I'm sorry. The ruling class has an inherent 428 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,400 tendency to be corrupted, concentrated and centralized. 429 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,500 Yes, just because the simple law of the land and absolute power 430 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:46,500 corrupts. Absolutely. 431 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,700 And that's every single thing. It doesn't matter. 432 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:50,000 You put somebody in there. It's go. 433 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,100 It's going to self-perpetuate period And even if it doesn't 434 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:58,300 self-perpetuate, the other institutions will tear it down 435 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,300 another. Another great example of that 436 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:05,000 that you can apply both to Obama and Trump is the CIA and the FBI 437 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,600 and the military industrial complex, just doing things 438 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,000 without ever addressing them or asking them what the how they 439 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,200 felt about it or asking for permission just running around 440 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,800 doing whatever they want unelected Power structures. 441 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,200 So, how can you hang around people like that that you know 442 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,300 will ignore you? And they'll do whatever you want 443 00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:24,800 and not be influenced by that. Even if you are a good genuine 444 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,700 wholesome, US president that wants to save the country. 445 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:31,200 Those are the people you are surrounded by constantly. 446 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,400 Those are the people in your ear. 447 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,800 They're the ones that are giving you the data. 448 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,600 The advice. Could you can't be everywhere at 449 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,500 once? So, how do you not even in 80 450 00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:40,700 different kind of way? Not personally corrupted, but 451 00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:42,900 your worldview. Get corrupted just by being 452 00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:46,300 around those people. Finally Point number five, 453 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:50,300 inherent corruption plus more centralization, equals more 454 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:55,200 instability and a crumbling of the system giving potential rise 455 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,800 to a masse realization. By the exploited that an unjust 456 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,300 system of exploitation should be replaced by a system of 457 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:07,200 cooperation and mutual benefit. I agree. 458 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:12,900 Okay, so, that was basically hop as way of saying that the 459 00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:17,100 Marxist and anarcho-capitalist have a lot in common. 460 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,500 They just disagree on, who the exploiters are, and who the 461 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:24,500 exploited classes are when looking at, who the exploiters 462 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:27,600 are in the world, and who the exploited our, how do you 463 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,900 determine that? I'm definitely, it's kind of 464 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:35,600 twofold because I do view that there are a lot of very 465 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,100 productive. And semi wealthy people that are 466 00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:41,800 exploited by the government that are attacked in at agonized by 467 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,700 the government. I personally don't think you 468 00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:46,000 become a billionaire in this country in this country, just 469 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,400 from again. How the system setup would buy 470 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,700 without playing ball and becoming dirty with the how the 471 00:23:51,700 --> 00:23:54,600 government works. But there's definitely small 472 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,200 business chains and stuff like that. 473 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,900 That like the owner is a millionaire. 474 00:23:57,900 --> 00:24:01,600 He has a nice house on a lake. He's got a boat as fast as kids 475 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,300 go to, you know, private school or whatever the Marxist might 476 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:07,800 consider him an evil person. But then you talk to him and you 477 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,500 see how much his stolen from him and how much his business is go 478 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:12,000 after. And you realize, there's a 479 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,100 difference between the CEO of McDonalds. 480 00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:17,400 And, you know, Hal's Pizza chain where he has like six pizzas 481 00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:19,900 places across. So that's one element of it. 482 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:22,300 And then obviously you also have like the left-wing perspective 483 00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:26,200 of the poor, the minority groups, the the under classes 484 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,200 that are kept in the underclass by the government targeted by 485 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,900 the gun directly targeted by the government and continually 486 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,000 destroyed any step up, they get because Are threatening the 487 00:24:37,008 --> 00:24:39,800 powers of be. So kind of both in that way. 488 00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:43,800 There was a book written and published by Princeton 489 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,600 University by Jason, Brent entitled. 490 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,000 When all else fails, the ethics of resistance to state in 491 00:24:52,100 --> 00:24:54,200 Justice. I think of you, whenever I 492 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,500 whenever I, whenever I read that name, so this for you is very 493 00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,100 common sense. I'm sure you will agree with 494 00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:04,300 this statement, but I'm going to quote from the book. 495 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,500 Tell me why. Umm, you're talking to the 496 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:09,100 average person who has to spend much time. 497 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:11,500 And that's why you agree with this statement. 498 00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:15,400 You possess the same right of self-defense and the same right 499 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,900 to defend others against government agents that you do 500 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,100 against civilians, agree or disagree. 501 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,700 Why 100% agree because I do not view them to be separate 502 00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:26,400 whatsoever. I don't believe a government 503 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,600 agent is anything different than a regular person. 504 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,800 Every I believe if I if I if I saw a random guy in a all black 505 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,300 uniform with a bulletproof vest beating on an old. 506 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,900 Really woman in the street, I would do the same thing as I 507 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:41,300 would if it was just a random guy and the only difference is 508 00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:44,400 one of them has the nebulous title of police officer. 509 00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:48,900 Ex and he didn't even again, a great great, George Mason. 510 00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:50,700 Mason quote. He actually took it the opposite 511 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:53,400 direction, which is really funny to me when he, when he was asked 512 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,300 to Define with. The militia, was at the 513 00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:58,500 Constitutional Convention in Virginia, in 1788. 514 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,600 He asked who like, they asked, who is the militia and he 515 00:26:00,608 --> 00:26:03,600 responded. The militia is everyone to the 516 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,000 exclusion of some public officials. 517 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,800 So he took it to the opposite direction. 518 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,000 He said everyone deserves to have guns except for the people, 519 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,200 the government that, that was in. 520 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,100 I agree with that, like, You get it, you literally believe 521 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:20,800 they're public servants. You serve me. 522 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:22,800 Well, what do you need? Who are you going to defend 523 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,700 yourself against me? I'm your, you're my servant 524 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,800 according to you. But of course that that's a 525 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,000 double standard we face. So Brennan goes on to say that 526 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,300 imagine, you know, someone was sort of, you know, creating an 527 00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:41,000 educational facility, but demanded, everyone give 10% of 528 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,800 their income to this person or he would put them in a cage. 529 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,400 And if they resisted the cage, he'd shoot them and then imagine 530 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,000 that he that you have some enemies. 531 00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:56,100 So you sort of enslave people to fight against your enemies and 532 00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:58,500 in doing so you kill a large number of people. 533 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:03,200 He says this is no different than taxation draft or the war 534 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,100 saying what's perplexing in a sense, is why people don't find 535 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:08,000 that puzzling. They believe that governments 536 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,800 are permitted to do things. Ordinary. 537 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,200 People are forbidden from doing in particular. 538 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,600 They believe that governments are permitted to issue commands. 539 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:16,500 Telling us what to do and not to do. 540 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:19,500 And that the government's may use violence and threats of 541 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:22,900 violence to make us comply with these commands. 542 00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:26,200 Why do you oppose people using a government to achieve their ends 543 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,200 in society? Just just the simple fact of how 544 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,700 it ends up being and how it's always ended up being if we ever 545 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:40,300 had a state that existed before or now for a substantial period 546 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:43,900 of time like a hundred years where there were not innocent 547 00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:46,200 people. That were doing nothing that 548 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,500 hurt. Anyone else that we're totally 549 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:51,200 victimless in cages or murdered, then I would be less like 550 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,800 staunch on this but it is simply never happened. 551 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,700 And people are even delusional about how it was in America to 552 00:27:57,700 --> 00:27:59,800 where they forget that we had stuff. 553 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,900 Like we had speech laws. We had what the disability laws 554 00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:05,100 or something like that, against cursing, and public are using 555 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:08,300 dirty language and bars. And that would that was, that 556 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:11,100 wasn't 200 years ago, that wasn't 300 years ago. 557 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,500 That was 60 years ago. That these laws were the 558 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:14,800 comedians were being thrown in jail. 559 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,500 You're saying fuck like that's America. 560 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,100 And and we we as a nation as a society have had way less 561 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,200 victimless crimes and other places in the fact that we've 562 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,000 had it that bad. Just goes to show that the 563 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,300 government cannot help itself and you're seeing it go on right 564 00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:35,200 now with the with the Biden Administration, talking about 565 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,700 banning the manufacture of menthol cigarettes and you see 566 00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:41,000 people in the comments coping a. But oh, well, it's just the 567 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,900 manufacturer. It's like, okay. 568 00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:46,100 Well, you ban the manufacturers Then people start making their 569 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:48,100 own menthol cigarettes. So, we'll now you need to go 570 00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:50,900 after a civilian manufacturers, but then they're really hard to 571 00:28:50,908 --> 00:28:52,600 find because they're criminals and they're smart. 572 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:53,800 So what do you do to get around that? 573 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,400 You start arresting people for possession of them to hope they 574 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,000 can find the manufacturer. This is the same thing that 575 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,100 happened with marijuana. The same thing that happened 576 00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:03,500 with alcohol. It's just it's logical. 577 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:06,500 It's really binary and if you were that was your goal, that's 578 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:08,700 how you would go about it. And that is the government's 579 00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,500 goal. So it's, it's try it. 580 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,500 You know, it's asking the Sun not to rise. 581 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,300 Essentially. It's almost a law of Science at 582 00:29:15,308 --> 00:29:17,400 this point that it will continue to expand. 583 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,100 It will continue to find ways because that is the logical 584 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,400 conclusion of it. Yeah, and it doesn't have the 585 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,000 self-correcting mechanism of allowing people to disassociate. 586 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,300 So you just never know if there's a lot. 587 00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:32,400 Everyone has to read my book. I'll never be able to truly 588 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,100 determine whether or not people value my work or or not. 589 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:39,800 When you have you have to in to make sure to make sure you'll 590 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,500 have to start going and enforcing that. 591 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:43,500 And then you have to find people who don't have the book which 592 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:45,300 means you have to start going into people's homes and 593 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:46,600 searching it. And you're going to have to have 594 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,900 to come up with new technology to make sure people have read 595 00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:51,500 your book and it's just logical again. 596 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:54,100 Like if You put yourself in the head of a repressor, which I 597 00:29:54,108 --> 00:29:56,400 know it's hard for us anarchists to do. 598 00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:58,700 But if you do that, it's like, well, it's my goal to make sure 599 00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:00,400 everyone reads this book, no matter what. 600 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,400 Then that's how you would do it, you know, isn't that easy? 601 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,400 So you have the rainbow flag behind you. 602 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,600 If you are speaking to someone in the LGBT community that 603 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,400 constantly was pressing for the right for two people of the same 604 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,900 sex to have a marriage. What would you say to them as 605 00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:26,500 far as why they should consider the philosophy of anarchism or 606 00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:29,100 voluntourism. I think the government has 607 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,500 nothing should have nothing to do with marriage and the fact 608 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:35,700 that the concept of marriage now has been The religious people 609 00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:38,800 hold it up as this as this holy Union and everything like that. 610 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,000 That's not what it is in America. 611 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,600 It's a tax agreement is a legal legal. 612 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,000 Monetary agreement between people that is only enforced by 613 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,800 the government. Nobody else cares. 614 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,500 If you're married besides the government and like, I've always 615 00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:53,300 thought that it was just kind of a false battle. 616 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,200 Like one of the rare things I agree with Ben Shapiro on is 617 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,400 there shouldn't be gay marriage, because there should be no legal 618 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,100 marriage, the concept of legal marriage is stupid. 619 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,300 And the fact that the As of your Reagan let the government get 620 00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:10,100 involved with it has shown up just how more and more idiotic 621 00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:13,600 the whole process has gotten and it's out of control at this 622 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,600 point to where people, I was just in a call with one of the 623 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,200 Twitter like hangouts or whatever. 624 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,000 They do. You can join in where there was 625 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,800 at least six different women that were talking about getting 626 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,500 a strategic divorce because they make too much money and the tax 627 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,700 increases would hit them. Not that they love their 628 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:31,600 husbands. Any less. 629 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,400 Not that they plan on breaking up with them, but they were 630 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,600 going to go get a divorce. So they could not have money 631 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,800 stolen from them for that and I'm like, wow, that's a that's a 632 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,300 condemnation of the concept of marriage and has done more to 633 00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:45,600 damage the concept of marriage than gay. 634 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,200 People wanting to go to a cathedral and have a priest. 635 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,300 Read them rights ever could have correct. 636 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,800 Yeah, you know that was actually one of the my sister had sort of 637 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,300 been friends with a lot of members of the lgbtq Q community 638 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:03,600 and I had sort of I had really supported that idea. 639 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,000 I said well, If a man and a woman can get married, why would 640 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,500 that principal voluntary agreement? 641 00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:14,300 Not apply to two men getting married so long as they're 642 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:17,200 consenting adults. I don't see anything wrong with 643 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,100 this. What I basically did took me 644 00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:20,400 about 10 years to do. This. 645 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,600 Is I took that principle and then applied it to economic 646 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,500 transaction. So the same reason you wouldn't 647 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:29,200 have the right to coercively. Stop two people from two, 648 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,800 consenting, adults, from engaging in an act of 649 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,300 intercourse, even though you believe, well, it might not be 650 00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:35,200 best. For them. 651 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,200 And there might be long-term effects and they could do all 652 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,900 these other things. Well, all of those also apply to 653 00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:43,800 economic interactions. Have you had any success with 654 00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:48,000 taking, the principle of voluntary Associated, voluntary 655 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,900 Association in the economic realm, and letting the this 656 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,200 community know about voluntary economic interactions. 657 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,500 That's actually like, what are the biggest like breaking 658 00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:59,000 points? For? 659 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,100 Like, if you talk to like a lot of like lesbian or like we're 660 00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:03,700 Libertarians or anything like that. 661 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,800 They're like this all Started because we wanted to get married 662 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,000 and then we just increasingly hated the government more and 663 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,800 more. And it's like, yes, exactly. 664 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,400 And that's kind of how it what it takes is. 665 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,200 If there's something fundamental in core to your personality, 666 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,900 that the government does not allow you to do, it is only 667 00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:22,100 natural that you end up as some form of anarchists or 668 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:24,700 libertarian. It's like whether it be a gun 669 00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:28,600 owner, whether it's marijuana, whether it be like running a 670 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,300 business and like any kind of thing where you've part of your 671 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:34,400 soul, part of what you like, feel like you're here. 672 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,600 You do or part of your key, part of your personality is blocked 673 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,500 by the government. This is where you end up which 674 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:43,800 goes to show, why. I like so many people that are 675 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,900 super status are very boring. Generic people. 676 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:50,600 You know, what they like to do? Hasn't been banned by the 677 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,000 government yet. So let me know if you're able to 678 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,700 see my screen. Are you able to see the screen 679 00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:00,200 here? Yeah, this this article I love 680 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,600 this article. So this one I'll read I'm going 681 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,700 to ask you to read the next thing. 682 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,400 So this is an article from wired. 683 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,699 It says the most dangerous people on the internet in 2020. 684 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,900 This year saw plenty of destructive hacking and 685 00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:18,300 disinformation campaigns, but amid a pandemic in historic 686 00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:21,000 election. The consequences have never been 687 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,100 Graver and Here is a picture of my smiling. 688 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:29,199 Goofy ridiculous. Hawaiian shirt wearing self. 689 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,400 Yes. So here is Mark Zuckerberg and 690 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,300 then to the left of him, is Magnus my guest today and then 691 00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:40,400 is Donald Trump. And then a, you know, who the 692 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,300 Jabba's? Those are my boys right there. 693 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:44,100 There's some Michigan Boogaloo, boys, they're part of the 694 00:34:44,107 --> 00:34:46,699 collective. And do you know who this guy is? 695 00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:48,699 I don't know idea. I think it's like a Wall Street, 696 00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:50,500 dude or something. Okay. 697 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,600 Well, shows how dangerous He is. Nobody knows who he is. 698 00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:58,200 He's definitely, but work. And now, what working behind the 699 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,000 scenes. Are you a danger to the 700 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,400 internet? I am a normie asking. 701 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:06,400 I don't even know what the bougie boys are. 702 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,400 I would consider myself an extreme danger to the the 703 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,200 government and the country and the powers that be. 704 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,400 I would not consider myself. The minimal amount of a danger 705 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,000 to the average human being, and that's why they write articles 706 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,300 like this. Yeah, it's amazing. 707 00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:28,000 They'll they'll tell us what what dangers the average person 708 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,400 is, while they Advocate Wars that consists of funding 709 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,500 Al-Qaeda and murdering civilians and get taxing us to the point. 710 00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:41,600 Where wall Street's able to get money from the Federal Reserve, 711 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,500 right? When it's printed. 712 00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:47,000 It's like that does more damage to our social security. 713 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,300 Recipients are Savers and and everything else. 714 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:52,000 Yeah. This is this is one of the best 715 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,400 me. Games of last year, by the way, 716 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,600 I love that. It's in the, it's in the gun 717 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,100 control. Ones are great. 718 00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:02,600 So this one is a little long and you had said that this is one of 719 00:36:02,607 --> 00:36:04,600 your favorites. If you could do me a favor and 720 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,900 read this and as you're reading it, stop or maybe just read the 721 00:36:07,908 --> 00:36:10,300 whole thing and tell us what you like about it. 722 00:36:10,308 --> 00:36:12,900 Because I saw that you said, it's one of your favorites. 723 00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:15,900 Yeah, so that it's a Reddit posts on Wall Street. 724 00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:18,600 Bats. This was during the the GameStop 725 00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:21,700 Revolution as I'll call it the GameStop insurrection. 726 00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:26,200 And this is a post and II very deeply empathize with this 727 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,000 because this is it's not exactly a my story when it comes to my 728 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,900 family, but it's very close. So to begin. 729 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,900 I remember when the housing housing collapse and a torpedo 730 00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:39,300 through my family. My father's concrete company. 731 00:36:39,300 --> 00:36:42,200 Collapsed, almost overnight. My father, lost his home, my 732 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,800 uncle lost his home. I remember my brother, helping 733 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,300 my father, count Pocket, Change on our kitchen table. 734 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,300 This is almost exactly what happened to me, like, in 2008 to 735 00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:54,800 it to a letter. Almost that was all the money. 736 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,000 He had left in the world. While this was happening in my 737 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,500 home. I saw hedge fund hedge, funders 738 00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:02,100 literally drinking, champagne is a look down on Occupy Wall 739 00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:04,500 Street protesters. I will never forget that. 740 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,000 If you have not Googled that image, Google that image right 741 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,800 now while you're listening to this and you will get actually 742 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,100 angry. When you see these, these dirty, 743 00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:15,900 poor homeless hippies, walking down the street, and these 744 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:18,300 millionaire Wall Street, people sitting on the balcony and 745 00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:21,000 drinking champagne and throwing things at them. 746 00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:23,700 It's absurd. You don't even have to be, you 747 00:37:23,707 --> 00:37:25,900 don't even have to hate millionaires to be like, wow. 748 00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:29,600 Those are some bad people is what disgusting. 749 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,000 Yeah, and I've seen it. There was even an incident in La 750 00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:36,700 where I wasn't their friend of mine. 751 00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:40,200 Told me about it that you know, a bunch of people were walking 752 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,600 past this homeless guy. I don't know if they were all in 753 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,500 a group or one person started it, but they were all throwing 754 00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:48,400 things and spitting on the homeless guy, you know, telling 755 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,000 him. Oh what you're making our 756 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,100 neighborhood. Filthy yada yada yada. 757 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,200 And she went up to him and said I'm so sorry. 758 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,900 You had to deal with that to which he you know, is like 759 00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:00,300 responding now, it's okay. So, you know, the worst is 760 00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:03,400 whenever they walk by and people just totally ignore me. 761 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,200 But yeah that happens every now and then it's like, oh my God, 762 00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:10,600 you have to be a piece of shit to walk by someone in such a 763 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,100 vulnerable position. Even if they're angry, even if 764 00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:16,700 they're irrational, you know, breaking news. 765 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,700 Everyone's irrational, read Robin Hansen's elephant in the 766 00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:21,500 brain. It's hard for us to be rational 767 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:23,300 about so many. The complex things. 768 00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:27,100 But when people just don't have any empathy, it's like my God 769 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:30,300 and that's and that's what the state so often does. 770 00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:33,400 If I can only win at the expense of you. 771 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,300 Well, then we're totally going to be at odds. 772 00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:39,200 If there's no separation of religion and state. 773 00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:42,800 I can only practice My Religion if I cancel your religion, so I 774 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,900 got a win. There's no voluntary market 775 00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:48,600 place where where we can sort of hash this out. 776 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,000 I'm sorry to interrupt you there, but that's great. 777 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,200 Yeah. Yeah. 778 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,800 And then, to finish this up, my father, never recovered from 779 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,400 that blow. He fell deeper and deeper into 780 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,400 alcoholism. And now exists as a shell of 781 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,400 his, former self waiting for death. 782 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,200 And then this is the the Wall Street bets Revolution defined 783 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,600 in a paragraph, which was why I was so good in. 784 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,000 They had to destroy it. You saw that like, there's no 785 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,000 such thing as a free market because they literally shut that 786 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,900 down. Just immediately legislation of 787 00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:20,900 corporate interests. Aligning to shut that Revolution 788 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:24,600 down this Is all the money I have and I'd rather lose it. 789 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,800 Then give them what they need to. 790 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,200 Destroy me. Taking money from me while hurt 791 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,800 me because I don't value at all. I'll burn it. 792 00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:34,300 I'll burn it down, burn it all down, just to spite them. 793 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:38,300 This is for you, Dad, and that was Wall Street bets, and that's 794 00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:40,500 even still. Now, Dogecoin people are just 795 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:42,800 lighting money on fire because they just don't care because 796 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,100 they just want to hurt these people. 797 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:50,300 And, and that shows you like That the, it's the idea is 798 00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:52,600 growing and that happened because people could do it from 799 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,700 the smartphone on their couch, and it required minimal 800 00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:59,400 investment, or time, or energy, or personal risk, but the fact 801 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,900 that people were willing to do that. 802 00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:05,400 That's that that's the Ember that turns into pitchforks and 803 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,300 burning police stations, like later. 804 00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:11,100 Later down the line of people just being like, I don't care 805 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:13,700 about the system. I don't care about this at all. 806 00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:16,900 I just want to hurt you and you and you. 807 00:40:16,908 --> 00:40:20,200 This situation being like a big government and it's like, oh 808 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,700 boy. Now, let's look at this. 809 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:28,100 From a point of view of of a Unity or death is the name of 810 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,200 the the the podcast that I've seen you be associated with. 811 00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:35,200 So from a Unity standpoint. The funny part of the meme is on 812 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,700 the outside. All four corners of the 813 00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:41,200 political Spectrum, are people supporting them top, right? 814 00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:43,700 God. Bless Patriot bottom right to 815 00:40:43,700 --> 00:40:49,100 the Moon, bottom left. May you see His friend upper 816 00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:53,400 left, keep fighting comrade. And basically what we can see is 817 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,200 that at, at these what are referred to as extremes, but as 818 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:03,400 the, at the corners of these idea of these ideologies, we see 819 00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:07,300 a sort of, I don't, I don't know if you could call it populist, 820 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,500 but there's still this ability for class Consciousness to 821 00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:13,200 exist, within a large number of people. 822 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,200 So the fact that we can't organize at all or We have so 823 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,900 much trouble. It feels like we have so much in 824 00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:24,300 common, but we're still unable to what are some of the big 825 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:29,600 reasons you think people should engage in unity Politics as 826 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,700 opposed to division, constantly trying to score points off of 827 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:37,500 the other person or team. Definitely, like it was kind of 828 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:38,400 crystallized. Today. 829 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,800 I was talking about it less than an hour ago, but Michael malice 830 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,600 put out a poll and he was like of these four choices for 831 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,300 people. Michael ballast, very famous, 832 00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:52,300 anarchists one of my favorites, he put out a poll of which of 833 00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,600 these four organizations. Would you be more comfortable to 834 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,200 label as a domestic terrorist organization? 835 00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:05,700 And it was the ATF antifa, the GOP, and the NRA and antifa won 836 00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:10,900 by over 65 percent of the vote. That is so stupid because 837 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:13,800 anyone, who's conservative anyone who's doesn't like 838 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,600 anti-fascist. I'm not, I'm not telling you, 839 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,900 not to like them from Unity perspective. 840 00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:21,800 What I'm telling you now is that 100,000 college kids, in Black 841 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:27,200 hoodies will never be a molecule as dangerous as the government. 842 00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:32,700 The anti-fascist cannot show up to my house and drone strike Me 843 00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,500 by tracking. My phone's IP address and 844 00:42:35,500 --> 00:42:38,900 hitting this computer right now and get away with it with the 845 00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:41,200 help of the media and the intelligence agencies. 846 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,300 They cannot do that. And it's just, I feel like 847 00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:47,400 that's the biggest sticking point of Why people are 848 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,100 struggling to Unity is the is the powers that be a very 849 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:55,300 effectively like skewed our hierarchy of threats to where 850 00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:59,500 like, like I personally know nobody in my entire life that 851 00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:02,100 has ever been personally, harmed by someone who calls themselves 852 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:05,800 an anti-fascist or anti fine particular a black, black-clad 853 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,600 red. Bandana Street protester. 854 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,800 I know uncountable people that have died been locked in jail, 855 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,300 have been permanently screwed up by the government of have their 856 00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:19,600 businesses. Destroyed have had been abused 857 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,900 children stolen from them Etc by the federal government. 858 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,900 So how can how in what Universe can consider a collective of 859 00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:31,200 individuals with with bats and sticks. 860 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,800 Anywhere near the military industrial complex. 861 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,200 In the three-letter agencies. They've successfully gotten you 862 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,600 to screw up your hierarchy of threats. 863 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,800 And I think a lot of conservatives don't realize that 864 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,500 they are also being manipulated into what they need to be 865 00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,200 worried about. They view is like, oh, well, the 866 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,500 left is like focused on racism and focus on all this stuff and 867 00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:53,200 they're letting like the powers-that-be, get away with 868 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,900 it. While they all fight and kill 869 00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:57,500 each other, but then they'll turn around and say stuff like 870 00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:59,000 that. Malice poll of like, like, oh 871 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,600 the armed, the other, the stick-wielding people with, with 872 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,000 rubber shields, on the street or the true threat to freedom and 873 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,700 it's like, you share like you really think about this, you 874 00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:12,800 know, because like who's kicking your door in the middle of 875 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,200 night, it's not them. So it's like that's kind of 876 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,700 where the unity. It comes from is even if I hate 877 00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:23,500 you, even if I think your ideas are aberrant, like, like, if you 878 00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:26,300 like, to talk to, you know, and cap talks to a Marxist. 879 00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:29,600 They both think that their end goal is atrocious a horrifying 880 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,900 to each other. But the fact of the matter is 881 00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:35,700 that they'll never get to Stage 2 out of 10 of their respective 882 00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:37,800 plans before the government, kills them all and locks them 883 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,500 up. So we need to do something about 884 00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:46,500 this because we are all stuck in a room with a giant grizzly 885 00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:48,000 bear. In the grizzly, bear is tearing 886 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,300 us apart and killing all of our friends and we're still yelling 887 00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:51,700 at each other. At some point. 888 00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:54,800 You just have to put it down and deal with the grizzly bear and 889 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,200 then figure out afterwards what happens and if we have to fight 890 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,000 each other afterwards and we fight each other afterwards, but 891 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,600 there's also a chance that afterwards that we can come to 892 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:08,100 compromise some form of balkanization, some form of 893 00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:10,700 agreement between each other. That will be better than it is 894 00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:12,900 now and there's a possibility of that. 895 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,700 But right now the only guarantee is some crazy technocratic. 896 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,500 Fascism that is coming. You can see it right in front of 897 00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:21,300 you and we're not doing anything about it. 898 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,800 Excellent. Magnus. 899 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,700 Thank you so much for your time everyone listening. 900 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,100 Please check out magnus's podcast, Unity or death. 901 00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,400 All the links to where you could find. 902 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,600 His work will be in the description below. 903 00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:38,800 Magnus. Thank you so much for your. 904 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,600 Thank you. Take care. 905 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:40,500 Thanks boss.