If uman beings are so careless stupid and malicious that they
cannot be trusted to do the right thing on their own.
How would the situation be improved by taking a subset of
those? Same careless, stupid and
malicious human beings and giving them societal permission
to forcibly control. All the others.
Welcome to Keith's, Mike, don't tread on anyone.
And the libertarian Institute today.
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What does it mean to be a Libertarian Anarchist?
So it means not giving up on electoral politics, but, Not
viewing it as the Final Solution.
That's, that's how I would Define it because I definitely
see there's a subset of the community.
They're like, never vote, never bother.
Never use this giant government institution that you could take
advantage of to push your ideas. And then you have the other ones
that are like just Libertarians. They're like, well, I like I
like the, you know, a little government, not a lot of
governments, a little government.
And yeah, I mean between those I'm a full-throated Anarchist,
but I don't deny the the Opportunity to have the
government pay for me to platform my ideas.
And when we hear the word, Anarchy one might think of, you
know, throwing trash cans, no order, really existing.
What does it mean to be an anarchist?
Be an anarchist to me is just when I go out and take out my
garbage, when I talk to my neighbor, when I go on this
podcast, when I decide, what I'm going to eat for dinner is of
bunch of voluntary, spontaneous interactions between cognizant
human beings. You're quoting the beginning.
Summed it up perfectly of. Well, we already all do this.
So by just giving people authority to regulate it.
It's no different than if we just continue to do it on our
own. So why do we even bother with
that whole power structure and force that comes with that?
Are you do you associate with black lives matter, the
organization? I do not associate with the
organization. Thankfully, most of the
activists no longer associated with the organization, which is
the best part, but the Movement in general, I'd say broadly.
Yes, specifically, obviously there's a lot of disagreements
that kind of are there. But the a lot of the general
concepts and themes. I do kind of identify, with of
all the activists that I've met who are part of BLM or use that
term, black lives matter to explain their position or ideas
that they value. But I haven't run into any
Anarchist there. What would be your elevator
pitch to a black lives matter? Advocate participant to We get
them to consider the idea of anarchism or voluntourism take
all of the legitimate arguments in critiques.
You have about abolishing the police and just apply it to
everything. If someone is a conservative,
what is your elevator pitch to them?
If they have, not really considered the ideas of
anarchism. I would say, after this last
year. I don't know how you could hold
onto conservatism. What it has been proven that all
of these institutions including, you know, people that are you
elected, to represent, you have turned on, you have shut your
business down, have sold out your money and have sic the
police on you and all of the usual conservative, kind of cope
things of the cops will never do that.
And the Constitution will protect us and the magic Sky
cloth, has these ideas that are indivisible like they've been
proven wrong categorically. So it's like, you're either in
denying reality, or you're starting to take the red pill.
Say, I am a progressive, sort of, so not like Killer Mike.
I'm more of a Robert Reich Progressive who?
Well, I have my criticisms of the police.
I really see them as a great mechanism that we as a society
can employ in order to see. In order to achieve desirable
ends, Healthcare higher wages, better living standards
infrastructure, keeping things of some sort of in line or
organized. How would you communicate?
Well, not to Robert bright. But I mean, those a Robert
Robert Reich in particular, I would say it was all those
things so he can sic the police on me to get what he wants.
Exactly. But there are a lot of people
who get. He's got 1.3 million Twitter
followers. There's a lot of people who
ideologically are a Robert Reich, default.
Progressive. What do you say to them?
When advocating? The idea of anarchism?
That one's a lot harder. I do find like the, the kind of
democrat Progressive and the GOP conservative like the actual
like, not just like, oh, I vote for the GOP because they're the
closest I got. But like, actually believes in
the GOP GOP, conserves the hardest ones to break through
and it requires so much poking and prodding to like get them on
because that's that's Peak. Statism like that is the top of
the political Spectrum. Mmm, they are closer to what you
would Define as fascism under like the actual definition than
anything else. Because they really do just want
the government to control and run everything.
And it's like, You have mentioned that there were a
number of authors who have motivated.
You are given you a lot of intellectual backing.
What is the most important thing you learned from or contribution
of Murray? Bookchin?
So Murray, Murray bookchin more than anything is kind of where
the unity concept comes from. Because Murray bookchin, despite
being like, a self-identified Marxist.
Left-leaning Anarchist. He is actually spoken at the
libertarian National Convention more than a few times and he was
actually friends with several. Libertarians, and he gave the
speech at the lp convention, while he was being interviewed
by reason mag that kind of like slotted into everything that I'm
trying to accomplish with the unity Coalition of, he described
himself as like he in an anarchist Society.
He would much rather prefer to be a collectivist Anarchist, but
he did not immediately hate or think that like what ancap
wanted was inherently bad? As long as it was actual
anarchism and that in fact he would take it.
Even further to where if his collectivist anarchism Society
became totalitarian in any way that he would leave that and go
join up with the an caps to fight the tyranny of his
collectivist society. And that was his whole kind of
point is like the whole reason why we're all anarchists is to
fight tyranny and oppression. So I don't care where that's
coming from. I will join with, whoever I have
to join with, to fight against whatever form it takes, and that
was like, very, like whole. Like, you know, this, this, this
is a Marxist, like speaking it, like, You know, right?
Like The rothbart Institute in like the like at the like with
mises caucus, people is something like that back in the
80s being like yeah, I would. I like you guys.
You're fine. And actually like a lot of
people on my side, call me like a petty bourgeoisie and I would
much rather hang out with you then them and it's like holy
crap. Like he got it earlier than a
lot of people got it. And that's kind of like been a
big inspiration for me. I have run into a lot of that
when people say, you know, I really like the idea of everyone
sort of Chip. Being in, there's a lot of
camaraderie. There's a lot of solidarity.
I feel like I have meaning, I don't believe in God.
So this sort of group is my Collective identity and they
still support people's right to contract.
So employee-employer taking out loans, those sorts of things,
that would be consistent with the volunteer store in Echo
capitalist. I've been seeing a lot of that,
and it's really cool to have the whole panarchy or meta.
Our key kind of like movement or anarchism without adjectives of
essentially. Like whether anyone wants to
admit it or not because obviously people get very
defensive. There's nothing.
And this isn't a criticism of anarchism be very quickly, quick
with it. But there's nothing stopping a
narco communist Collective from being totalitarian and there's
nothing stopping an anarcho-capitalist like business
from being totalitarian. That's a problem.
We're going to have to deal with, it will come up, but that
doesn't mean that those ideas are inherently invalid.
As long as they are voluntary and in Fact, it'll be easier to
deal with those problems. If the anarcho Communists in
their commune and then like the anarcho-capitalist has like a
business venture saw. One of those organizations
forming one of those like tyrannical institutions forming
in banded together to fight it instead of sitting there and be
like, oh, you're not a real Anarchist back and forth to each
other. And I think people are kind of
slowly getting that. Yeah.
I've always said that tyranny can exist under sort of any
society. The reason you'd want anarchism
is because you want the ability to disassociate and not.
Fund certain tyrants, but with the state.
Well, they are the one tyranny organization.
You can't opt out of funding and then even your neighbors will be
like, well, you're not following the law even though they don't
hold that standard for any other organization in society, in
particular, like like especially growing up in a very
conservative area. Like I'll use that as an
example, but the progressives fall under this to, like the
supply, both ways of these people will always slip up and
they'll always accidentally break this law or push the line
or whatever and they'll sell Rationalizing.
But all this, just a slip-up. I'm a good person.
I'm a good law-abiding person, but then they'll see you slip up
and they'll be like, well, that's what you get for breaking
the law. And it's like, every
conservative. I knew was was smoking.
Marijuana was illegal and like making moonshine and driving
over the speed limit and everything, but and that was
fine because there are law-abiding citizen and this was
just, you know, they're just pushing the boundary a little
bit but then, you know, like like a black guy in Detroit or
something. We'll get pulled over with some
marijuana would like see they should have just followed the
law and it's hypocrisy baked in. Almost every single person
commits multiple felonies a day without even realizing it.
Like it's just how the world works.
It's impossible to run a business without breaking the
law because you just don't know. I mean, there's thousands and
thousands of regulations. No one has read them.
So by simply by acting in the absence of having read all these
you're definitely going to break them.
So we're doing you guys a favor, don't put that obligation on
yourself. That you have to abide by the
arbitrary edicts of of a Congress that you often call
corrupt and lying. Why do you have an obligation to
obey them out of all groups? In society, nine percent like
total approval across all of the government, I think was like the
Aggregate and yet we're still like we're still keeping this
up, like why? You know, I can't do that and
that's nine percent of people. I don't run into anyone who was
just generally happy with Congress in general.
I mean that they always say the other party.
Too much power. And if there are extremists that
are controlling of it, I have trouble believing, it's as high
as nine percent. But even if we go with that, I
think that's the aggregate is like, if you take like, like
Senate Congress, like, the federal agencies, the president
like everything. And I think that was the, you
combine them all together. That was the aggregate because
the president will be like, 37. Congress will be like 11.
The house will be like six, you know, combine them all together
and that's what you get. Most important thing you learned
from the work of Marie and rothbard very and rothbard
definitely just kind of all the economics of everything because
like despite me probably being much further to the left on the
scale of a lot of like anarcho-capitalism stuff like
that. I consider myself a mutualist.
Definitely. I've never given up the markets.
I'm still a market Anarchist and just how that works and kind of
that like their writings kind of started to.
I found the Through other people, but they started to like
solidify, like the theory behind it of just how you cannot
regulate the market. You cannot get involved with the
market. Nobody understands.
What the hell, the market is, or what it does.
It just exists it operates. However, the hell it pleases in
that moment and attempting to Shackle.
It is just a waste adventure and often results in more negative
consequences than letting it just run free.
So, that's kind of like, the what I got from all of them out
of that. And then, if you Want to talk
about like Spooner just you know, the idea that the flag in
the Constitution mean literally nothing like we need to stop a
sizing it so much because it is just a magic piece of paper that
doesn't attribute anything or help us or even hurt us in any
way is just inert. Exactly.
And that's another one. They that they will often say,
well, this country was founded on well, hold on, if the
founding of a country justifies, you know, how people should act
in future. Regions, you don't have the
right to criticize North Korea or Iraq or any of the other
countries. You're hating at the moment
because the Press is telling you that there are seconds away from
nuking us all. Well that country was founded by
Kim. Il-sung where the state has
abolished the right to private property.
So that's their country. Right?
But when you don't have any foundational principles, like
people like bookchin Spooner and rothbard have have given us.
It's like well, you're just setting.
Yourself up to be lost and believe in.
You know, the next, the latest thing you heard from from Fox
News, especially when like half of the founders of the country
like bmed vehement, Lee disagreed with the Constitution.
I mean all the Anti-Federalists, you know, Mason all of the like,
even even the people that agreed to it to a degree, like Thomas
Paine and stuff like that. We're still like, this might go
a bad way when the Constitution was written.
So like it's like, you know, you want to talk about the founding
fathers. Don't usually appoint to like
Washington or Franklin, or anything like that.
I'm usually pointing to some like, belligerently drunk, South
Carolina, man in the swamp who didn't want any government, any
more and begrudgingly accepted this New Foundation.
This at what was Mason's, quote, is something about this.
This this European transplant to the new world, I think is what
he described the Constitution as because they were anarchists, a
lot of a lot of the founding fathers, like the actual people
were anarchists. They legitimately wanted Did you
live in the middle of nowhere and have nobody to tell them
what to do and that they fled from the European Cup European,
you know, continent to go, here to be left, the hell alone and
didn't want anyone telling them what they could or couldn't do.
So, they were very upset. A lot of them are very upset
that the constitution was even written.
What is the most important thing you learned from the work of
core potkin or Popkin a gore-ism.
That's my big thing. That's the thing.
I preach all the time. Especially I've kind of updated
it because a gore-ism is very pacifist.
I don't I believe in defensive. I don't believe in offensive
action. I'm never going to be an
anarchist. It's going around like throwing
Molotov cocktails and like blowing up government buildings.
I don't think that accomplishes anything really but in terms of
just the state only exist because you participate in it.
So the less you participate in it, the more it works and
especially over the lockdowns that's been the biggest thing of
like, just running around these conservatives, be like, you can
open up any time you want. You just cut.
Good. And if enough of you do it, then
they couldn't do anything about it.
Like there's, yeah, and there's and that's why they're
constantly attacking the unity and class Consciousness.
As some would say of the average person because it's like, if I
open up my business, I'm going to jail and I'm getting fined.
But if everyone is on the same page, intellectually or we have
the same sort of spirit of we have the right between, you
know, as nosek would say it capitalist acts between
consenting. Adults, or what?
You could, just call a gerasim. We have the right to do this
without you. Don't you say, we are the
government, aren't you us? Okay, let us tell ourselves then
that it's okay for us to open up our business.
You got there there. There's more people within 20
square miles of where I'm sitting right now.
Then the entire us police force and Military put together.
So like if just my County just said no and did whatever they
wanted, the nobody could do anything about it.
So it's just that's that's why I do like like things that are
going on like the free state project in New Hampshire where
all the all the Libertarians are.
Just moving to the same place to just take it over and just it's
like, there we go. Like, like there's enough of us.
Let's let's, let's get some some mutual Aid.
Let's let's Embrace some leftist tactics for once, which is my
biggest thing, because I think the thing that confuses
conservatives about me more than anything is that it's not that I
agree with the left, more than the right on principles.
Philosophy and what my like preferred world would be.
But I infinitely like their tactics better than the right
because the right is to complain and beg for authority to respect
their oath. That is the right-wing tactic
whether it be libertarian even anarchists.
Even conservatives. That's all they've done.
For. My entire life is just pump, the
brakes and beg for things to go back to normal.
While the left is willing to get in the streets.
The left is willing to fight. The left is willing to break the
laws and it's like, okay. Well, like look we can start.
Doing that. Like, anytime, you know, like,
we could, we could have, we could have a 10,000 person.
March on Washington, d.c. Open carrying firearms.
Saying, we are never going to abide with your laws, and then
peacefully go home. There's nothing they could do
about it. We could do that tomorrow.
But but the, the worship of the law in the worship of doing
things, the way the right kind of does is just paralyzed
people. So that's why I like people
confuse me of like, oh, you're a communist, your left Winger or
something like that. It's like, no, I just like how
they do things better than we. It's certainly, it's hard to
argue with the the effectiveness.
There was a colleague of Murray rothbard zat, the University of
Nevada Las Vegas. Hans, Hermann Hapa who wrote a
paper called Marxist and Austrian class analysis in 1990.
He says here are five points hit, so hop has an
anarcho-capitalist and he says that there are five points of
Marxism. All of which are actually
correct, but they incorrectly identify the culprit.
Let me know if you agree with these.
Let's go one by one. Number one.
There was a small parasitic unjust, ruling class who
attempts to roll over the masses.
Agree. Or disagree agree, why it
exists, definitely. There will always be a class of
people that they just seek to dominate, and they will find
whatever power structure, whatever, path would have,
whether it be economic socially culturally entertainment.
It doesn't matter. They will find their path to
control people and feel better. People that's just human nature.
It's something we're always gonna have to deal with, it will
never go away. Point number two, the ruling
class is ideologically held together by its interest in
keeping the system of exploitation ongoing only an
increase in class Consciousness by the exploited.
Can remedy this rulers, never willingly Retreat agree, or
disagree agree. Why?
That definitely you just see that I always there's like the
two extremes of there's no conspiracy and then there's a
grand conspiracy where all these people are diligently planning
every single step along. All secretly know.
The reality is that they will oppose each other to get above
each other. But the moment that any normal
person starts to threaten their power, you will see the
powers-that-be come together immediately.
Whether you know, whether it be in our country, the Republicans
the Democrats, they will fight like cats and dogs until the
moment that the normies start to infringe on them whatsoever.
And then they are in lockstep on what they want and what will
benefit them. Point number three, and
ideological superstructure, media education, advertising
courts property rights system and police exists to keep the
ruling class in power agree, or disagree.
Yes. It's actually like, I mean, it
varies 2°, obviously, some some power structures legal
structures, and stuff like that, or better than others, but
definitely, in modern America, like, particularly why I say
that boating will never be the final.
Like the final solution to this, that economics will never be the
Solution to this that creating your own payment processor,
blah, blah. Like all these things will never
be the final solution of this is because now, in 2021, we have
gotten to the point where the entire structure is completely
built to prevent any real change from happening.
Like, every law, every economic regulation, every, you know, who
can be in and out of the debates.
How you get for political funding?
How you get into the government? How you pass laws?
Every single thing has been structured to wear is impossible
for an outsider to get it and the Closest, we had to that,
which is really sad to say, was Donald Trump and you saw how
that didn't change anything. And the fact that it requires a
extremely wealthy braggadocious kind of asshole to even scrape,
you know, the edge of the cathedral shows how bad the
situation is to wear, like anyone who's ten times better
than Trump, who might actually have a chance of like changing
things is never going to be allowed to touch the hold the
power structures. Excellent points.
Point number four. The ruling class has an inherent
tendency to be corrupted concentrated and move towards
centralization agree, or disagree.
Groups are who repeat the first part of that you cut out of it.
I'm sorry. The ruling class has an inherent
tendency to be corrupted, concentrated and centralized.
Yes, just because the simple law of the land and absolute power
corrupts. Absolutely.
And that's every single thing. It doesn't matter.
You put somebody in there. It's go.
It's going to self-perpetuate period And even if it doesn't
self-perpetuate, the other institutions will tear it down
another. Another great example of that
that you can apply both to Obama and Trump is the CIA and the FBI
and the military industrial complex, just doing things
without ever addressing them or asking them what the how they
felt about it or asking for permission just running around
doing whatever they want unelected Power structures.
So, how can you hang around people like that that you know
will ignore you? And they'll do whatever you want
and not be influenced by that. Even if you are a good genuine
wholesome, US president that wants to save the country.
Those are the people you are surrounded by constantly.
Those are the people in your ear.
They're the ones that are giving you the data.
The advice. Could you can't be everywhere at
once? So, how do you not even in 80
different kind of way? Not personally corrupted, but
your worldview. Get corrupted just by being
around those people. Finally Point number five,
inherent corruption plus more centralization, equals more
instability and a crumbling of the system giving potential rise
to a masse realization. By the exploited that an unjust
system of exploitation should be replaced by a system of
cooperation and mutual benefit. I agree.
Okay, so, that was basically hop as way of saying that the
Marxist and anarcho-capitalist have a lot in common.
They just disagree on, who the exploiters are, and who the
exploited classes are when looking at, who the exploiters
are in the world, and who the exploited our, how do you
determine that? I'm definitely, it's kind of
twofold because I do view that there are a lot of very
productive. And semi wealthy people that are
exploited by the government that are attacked in at agonized by
the government. I personally don't think you
become a billionaire in this country in this country, just
from again. How the system setup would buy
without playing ball and becoming dirty with the how the
government works. But there's definitely small
business chains and stuff like that.
That like the owner is a millionaire.
He has a nice house on a lake. He's got a boat as fast as kids
go to, you know, private school or whatever the Marxist might
consider him an evil person. But then you talk to him and you
see how much his stolen from him and how much his business is go
after. And you realize, there's a
difference between the CEO of McDonalds.
And, you know, Hal's Pizza chain where he has like six pizzas
places across. So that's one element of it.
And then obviously you also have like the left-wing perspective
of the poor, the minority groups, the the under classes
that are kept in the underclass by the government targeted by
the gun directly targeted by the government and continually
destroyed any step up, they get because Are threatening the
powers of be. So kind of both in that way.
There was a book written and published by Princeton
University by Jason, Brent entitled.
When all else fails, the ethics of resistance to state in
Justice. I think of you, whenever I
whenever I, whenever I read that name, so this for you is very
common sense. I'm sure you will agree with
this statement, but I'm going to quote from the book.
Tell me why. Umm, you're talking to the
average person who has to spend much time.
And that's why you agree with this statement.
You possess the same right of self-defense and the same right
to defend others against government agents that you do
against civilians, agree or disagree.
Why 100% agree because I do not view them to be separate
whatsoever. I don't believe a government
agent is anything different than a regular person.
Every I believe if I if I if I saw a random guy in a all black
uniform with a bulletproof vest beating on an old.
Really woman in the street, I would do the same thing as I
would if it was just a random guy and the only difference is
one of them has the nebulous title of police officer.
Ex and he didn't even again, a great great, George Mason.
Mason quote. He actually took it the opposite
direction, which is really funny to me when he, when he was asked
to Define with. The militia, was at the
Constitutional Convention in Virginia, in 1788.
He asked who like, they asked, who is the militia and he
responded. The militia is everyone to the
exclusion of some public officials.
So he took it to the opposite direction.
He said everyone deserves to have guns except for the people,
the government that, that was in.
I agree with that, like, You get it, you literally believe
they're public servants. You serve me.
Well, what do you need? Who are you going to defend
yourself against me? I'm your, you're my servant
according to you. But of course that that's a
double standard we face. So Brennan goes on to say that
imagine, you know, someone was sort of, you know, creating an
educational facility, but demanded, everyone give 10% of
their income to this person or he would put them in a cage.
And if they resisted the cage, he'd shoot them and then imagine
that he that you have some enemies.
So you sort of enslave people to fight against your enemies and
in doing so you kill a large number of people.
He says this is no different than taxation draft or the war
saying what's perplexing in a sense, is why people don't find
that puzzling. They believe that governments
are permitted to do things. Ordinary.
People are forbidden from doing in particular.
They believe that governments are permitted to issue commands.
Telling us what to do and not to do.
And that the government's may use violence and threats of
violence to make us comply with these commands.
Why do you oppose people using a government to achieve their ends
in society? Just just the simple fact of how
it ends up being and how it's always ended up being if we ever
had a state that existed before or now for a substantial period
of time like a hundred years where there were not innocent
people. That were doing nothing that
hurt. Anyone else that we're totally
victimless in cages or murdered, then I would be less like
staunch on this but it is simply never happened.
And people are even delusional about how it was in America to
where they forget that we had stuff.
Like we had speech laws. We had what the disability laws
or something like that, against cursing, and public are using
dirty language and bars. And that would that was, that
wasn't 200 years ago, that wasn't 300 years ago.
That was 60 years ago. That these laws were the
comedians were being thrown in jail.
You're saying fuck like that's America.
And and we we as a nation as a society have had way less
victimless crimes and other places in the fact that we've
had it that bad. Just goes to show that the
government cannot help itself and you're seeing it go on right
now with the with the Biden Administration, talking about
banning the manufacture of menthol cigarettes and you see
people in the comments coping a. But oh, well, it's just the
manufacturer. It's like, okay.
Well, you ban the manufacturers Then people start making their
own menthol cigarettes. So, we'll now you need to go
after a civilian manufacturers, but then they're really hard to
find because they're criminals and they're smart.
So what do you do to get around that?
You start arresting people for possession of them to hope they
can find the manufacturer. This is the same thing that
happened with marijuana. The same thing that happened
with alcohol. It's just it's logical.
It's really binary and if you were that was your goal, that's
how you would go about it. And that is the government's
goal. So it's, it's try it.
You know, it's asking the Sun not to rise.
Essentially. It's almost a law of Science at
this point that it will continue to expand.
It will continue to find ways because that is the logical
conclusion of it. Yeah, and it doesn't have the
self-correcting mechanism of allowing people to disassociate.
So you just never know if there's a lot.
Everyone has to read my book. I'll never be able to truly
determine whether or not people value my work or or not.
When you have you have to in to make sure to make sure you'll
have to start going and enforcing that.
And then you have to find people who don't have the book which
means you have to start going into people's homes and
searching it. And you're going to have to have
to come up with new technology to make sure people have read
your book and it's just logical again.
Like if You put yourself in the head of a repressor, which I
know it's hard for us anarchists to do.
But if you do that, it's like, well, it's my goal to make sure
everyone reads this book, no matter what.
Then that's how you would do it, you know, isn't that easy?
So you have the rainbow flag behind you.
If you are speaking to someone in the LGBT community that
constantly was pressing for the right for two people of the same
sex to have a marriage. What would you say to them as
far as why they should consider the philosophy of anarchism or
voluntourism. I think the government has
nothing should have nothing to do with marriage and the fact
that the concept of marriage now has been The religious people
hold it up as this as this holy Union and everything like that.
That's not what it is in America.
It's a tax agreement is a legal legal.
Monetary agreement between people that is only enforced by
the government. Nobody else cares.
If you're married besides the government and like, I've always
thought that it was just kind of a false battle.
Like one of the rare things I agree with Ben Shapiro on is
there shouldn't be gay marriage, because there should be no legal
marriage, the concept of legal marriage is stupid.
And the fact that the As of your Reagan let the government get
involved with it has shown up just how more and more idiotic
the whole process has gotten and it's out of control at this
point to where people, I was just in a call with one of the
Twitter like hangouts or whatever.
They do. You can join in where there was
at least six different women that were talking about getting
a strategic divorce because they make too much money and the tax
increases would hit them. Not that they love their
husbands. Any less.
Not that they plan on breaking up with them, but they were
going to go get a divorce. So they could not have money
stolen from them for that and I'm like, wow, that's a that's a
condemnation of the concept of marriage and has done more to
damage the concept of marriage than gay.
People wanting to go to a cathedral and have a priest.
Read them rights ever could have correct.
Yeah, you know that was actually one of the my sister had sort of
been friends with a lot of members of the lgbtq Q community
and I had sort of I had really supported that idea.
I said well, If a man and a woman can get married, why would
that principal voluntary agreement?
Not apply to two men getting married so long as they're
consenting adults. I don't see anything wrong with
this. What I basically did took me
about 10 years to do. This.
Is I took that principle and then applied it to economic
transaction. So the same reason you wouldn't
have the right to coercively. Stop two people from two,
consenting, adults, from engaging in an act of
intercourse, even though you believe, well, it might not be
best. For them.
And there might be long-term effects and they could do all
these other things. Well, all of those also apply to
economic interactions. Have you had any success with
taking, the principle of voluntary Associated, voluntary
Association in the economic realm, and letting the this
community know about voluntary economic interactions.
That's actually like, what are the biggest like breaking
points? For?
Like, if you talk to like a lot of like lesbian or like we're
Libertarians or anything like that.
They're like this all Started because we wanted to get married
and then we just increasingly hated the government more and
more. And it's like, yes, exactly.
And that's kind of how it what it takes is.
If there's something fundamental in core to your personality,
that the government does not allow you to do, it is only
natural that you end up as some form of anarchists or
libertarian. It's like whether it be a gun
owner, whether it's marijuana, whether it be like running a
business and like any kind of thing where you've part of your
soul, part of what you like, feel like you're here.
You do or part of your key, part of your personality is blocked
by the government. This is where you end up which
goes to show, why. I like so many people that are
super status are very boring. Generic people.
You know, what they like to do? Hasn't been banned by the
government yet. So let me know if you're able to
see my screen. Are you able to see the screen
here? Yeah, this this article I love
this article. So this one I'll read I'm going
to ask you to read the next thing.
So this is an article from wired.
It says the most dangerous people on the internet in 2020.
This year saw plenty of destructive hacking and
disinformation campaigns, but amid a pandemic in historic
election. The consequences have never been
Graver and Here is a picture of my smiling.
Goofy ridiculous. Hawaiian shirt wearing self.
Yes. So here is Mark Zuckerberg and
then to the left of him, is Magnus my guest today and then
is Donald Trump. And then a, you know, who the
Jabba's? Those are my boys right there.
There's some Michigan Boogaloo, boys, they're part of the
collective. And do you know who this guy is?
I don't know idea. I think it's like a Wall Street,
dude or something. Okay.
Well, shows how dangerous He is. Nobody knows who he is.
He's definitely, but work. And now, what working behind the
scenes. Are you a danger to the
internet? I am a normie asking.
I don't even know what the bougie boys are.
I would consider myself an extreme danger to the the
government and the country and the powers that be.
I would not consider myself. The minimal amount of a danger
to the average human being, and that's why they write articles
like this. Yeah, it's amazing.
They'll they'll tell us what what dangers the average person
is, while they Advocate Wars that consists of funding
Al-Qaeda and murdering civilians and get taxing us to the point.
Where wall Street's able to get money from the Federal Reserve,
right? When it's printed.
It's like that does more damage to our social security.
Recipients are Savers and and everything else.
Yeah. This is this is one of the best
me. Games of last year, by the way,
I love that. It's in the, it's in the gun
control. Ones are great.
So this one is a little long and you had said that this is one of
your favorites. If you could do me a favor and
read this and as you're reading it, stop or maybe just read the
whole thing and tell us what you like about it.
Because I saw that you said, it's one of your favorites.
Yeah, so that it's a Reddit posts on Wall Street.
Bats. This was during the the GameStop
Revolution as I'll call it the GameStop insurrection.
And this is a post and II very deeply empathize with this
because this is it's not exactly a my story when it comes to my
family, but it's very close. So to begin.
I remember when the housing housing collapse and a torpedo
through my family. My father's concrete company.
Collapsed, almost overnight. My father, lost his home, my
uncle lost his home. I remember my brother, helping
my father, count Pocket, Change on our kitchen table.
This is almost exactly what happened to me, like, in 2008 to
it to a letter. Almost that was all the money.
He had left in the world. While this was happening in my
home. I saw hedge fund hedge, funders
literally drinking, champagne is a look down on Occupy Wall
Street protesters. I will never forget that.
If you have not Googled that image, Google that image right
now while you're listening to this and you will get actually
angry. When you see these, these dirty,
poor homeless hippies, walking down the street, and these
millionaire Wall Street, people sitting on the balcony and
drinking champagne and throwing things at them.
It's absurd. You don't even have to be, you
don't even have to hate millionaires to be like, wow.
Those are some bad people is what disgusting.
Yeah, and I've seen it. There was even an incident in La
where I wasn't their friend of mine.
Told me about it that you know, a bunch of people were walking
past this homeless guy. I don't know if they were all in
a group or one person started it, but they were all throwing
things and spitting on the homeless guy, you know, telling
him. Oh what you're making our
neighborhood. Filthy yada yada yada.
And she went up to him and said I'm so sorry.
You had to deal with that to which he you know, is like
responding now, it's okay. So, you know, the worst is
whenever they walk by and people just totally ignore me.
But yeah that happens every now and then it's like, oh my God,
you have to be a piece of shit to walk by someone in such a
vulnerable position. Even if they're angry, even if
they're irrational, you know, breaking news.
Everyone's irrational, read Robin Hansen's elephant in the
brain. It's hard for us to be rational
about so many. The complex things.
But when people just don't have any empathy, it's like my God
and that's and that's what the state so often does.
If I can only win at the expense of you.
Well, then we're totally going to be at odds.
If there's no separation of religion and state.
I can only practice My Religion if I cancel your religion, so I
got a win. There's no voluntary market
place where where we can sort of hash this out.
I'm sorry to interrupt you there, but that's great.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then, to finish this up, my father, never recovered from
that blow. He fell deeper and deeper into
alcoholism. And now exists as a shell of
his, former self waiting for death.
And then this is the the Wall Street bets Revolution defined
in a paragraph, which was why I was so good in.
They had to destroy it. You saw that like, there's no
such thing as a free market because they literally shut that
down. Just immediately legislation of
corporate interests. Aligning to shut that Revolution
down this Is all the money I have and I'd rather lose it.
Then give them what they need to.
Destroy me. Taking money from me while hurt
me because I don't value at all. I'll burn it.
I'll burn it down, burn it all down, just to spite them.
This is for you, Dad, and that was Wall Street bets, and that's
even still. Now, Dogecoin people are just
lighting money on fire because they just don't care because
they just want to hurt these people.
And, and that shows you like That the, it's the idea is
growing and that happened because people could do it from
the smartphone on their couch, and it required minimal
investment, or time, or energy, or personal risk, but the fact
that people were willing to do that.
That's that that's the Ember that turns into pitchforks and
burning police stations, like later.
Later down the line of people just being like, I don't care
about the system. I don't care about this at all.
I just want to hurt you and you and you.
This situation being like a big government and it's like, oh
boy. Now, let's look at this.
From a point of view of of a Unity or death is the name of
the the the podcast that I've seen you be associated with.
So from a Unity standpoint. The funny part of the meme is on
the outside. All four corners of the
political Spectrum, are people supporting them top, right?
God. Bless Patriot bottom right to
the Moon, bottom left. May you see His friend upper
left, keep fighting comrade. And basically what we can see is
that at, at these what are referred to as extremes, but as
the, at the corners of these idea of these ideologies, we see
a sort of, I don't, I don't know if you could call it populist,
but there's still this ability for class Consciousness to
exist, within a large number of people.
So the fact that we can't organize at all or We have so
much trouble. It feels like we have so much in
common, but we're still unable to what are some of the big
reasons you think people should engage in unity Politics as
opposed to division, constantly trying to score points off of
the other person or team. Definitely, like it was kind of
crystallized. Today.
I was talking about it less than an hour ago, but Michael malice
put out a poll and he was like of these four choices for
people. Michael ballast, very famous,
anarchists one of my favorites, he put out a poll of which of
these four organizations. Would you be more comfortable to
label as a domestic terrorist organization?
And it was the ATF antifa, the GOP, and the NRA and antifa won
by over 65 percent of the vote. That is so stupid because
anyone, who's conservative anyone who's doesn't like
anti-fascist. I'm not, I'm not telling you,
not to like them from Unity perspective.
What I'm telling you now is that 100,000 college kids, in Black
hoodies will never be a molecule as dangerous as the government.
The anti-fascist cannot show up to my house and drone strike Me
by tracking. My phone's IP address and
hitting this computer right now and get away with it with the
help of the media and the intelligence agencies.
They cannot do that. And it's just, I feel like
that's the biggest sticking point of Why people are
struggling to Unity is the is the powers that be a very
effectively like skewed our hierarchy of threats to where
like, like I personally know nobody in my entire life that
has ever been personally, harmed by someone who calls themselves
an anti-fascist or anti fine particular a black, black-clad
red. Bandana Street protester.
I know uncountable people that have died been locked in jail,
have been permanently screwed up by the government of have their
businesses. Destroyed have had been abused
children stolen from them Etc by the federal government.
So how can how in what Universe can consider a collective of
individuals with with bats and sticks.
Anywhere near the military industrial complex.
In the three-letter agencies. They've successfully gotten you
to screw up your hierarchy of threats.
And I think a lot of conservatives don't realize that
they are also being manipulated into what they need to be
worried about. They view is like, oh, well, the
left is like focused on racism and focus on all this stuff and
they're letting like the powers-that-be, get away with
it. While they all fight and kill
each other, but then they'll turn around and say stuff like
that. Malice poll of like, like, oh
the armed, the other, the stick-wielding people with, with
rubber shields, on the street or the true threat to freedom and
it's like, you share like you really think about this, you
know, because like who's kicking your door in the middle of
night, it's not them. So it's like that's kind of
where the unity. It comes from is even if I hate
you, even if I think your ideas are aberrant, like, like, if you
like, to talk to, you know, and cap talks to a Marxist.
They both think that their end goal is atrocious a horrifying
to each other. But the fact of the matter is
that they'll never get to Stage 2 out of 10 of their respective
plans before the government, kills them all and locks them
up. So we need to do something about
this because we are all stuck in a room with a giant grizzly
bear. In the grizzly, bear is tearing
us apart and killing all of our friends and we're still yelling
at each other. At some point.
You just have to put it down and deal with the grizzly bear and
then figure out afterwards what happens and if we have to fight
each other afterwards and we fight each other afterwards, but
there's also a chance that afterwards that we can come to
compromise some form of balkanization, some form of
agreement between each other. That will be better than it is
now and there's a possibility of that.
But right now the only guarantee is some crazy technocratic.
Fascism that is coming. You can see it right in front of
you and we're not doing anything about it.
Excellent. Magnus.
Thank you so much for your time everyone listening.
Please check out magnus's podcast, Unity or death.
All the links to where you could find.
His work will be in the description below.
Magnus. Thank you so much for your.
Thank you. Take care.
Thanks boss.