1 00:00:00,700 --> 00:00:02,600 Welcome to Keith's night. Don't tread on anyone today. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,700 We have Jeffrey Tucker of the American Institute for economic 3 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:08,400 research where he is, the editorial. 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,300 Director will be discussing his new book Liberty or lockdown. 5 00:00:12,300 --> 00:00:13,800 Mr. Tucker. Thank you so much for your time. 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,900 Where can people find the book Amazon head over there. 7 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:22,500 Now, you can get it in physical form or Kindle terrific. 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,700 So the American government was justified in shutting down the 9 00:00:26,700 --> 00:00:30,900 economy to a halt to stop the spreading of a deadly contagious 10 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:34,100 disease, that has killed millions of people worldwide in 11 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:36,300 order to save the lives of Americans. 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,400 How do you respond nothing? Like this has ever been tried 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,800 and it's an experiment that failed. 14 00:00:40,900 --> 00:00:43,700 We never should have tried it. Actually, we're a country of 15 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:45,800 laws and Bill of Rights Constitution, that sort of 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,400 thing. We've been at the issue of 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,200 managing pandemics. Now, for will Humanity has for a 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,600 million years. I mean, we know about viruses, 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,200 viruses, are everywhere. We know about how to manage them 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,400 in the 20th century. We manage them, just fine. 4851 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:12,400 57 58, 60 68, 69 2006-2009. So on new viruses, come along, 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,000 our, there's nothing novel about a novel virus and the idea that 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,700 you would shut down people's rights and Liberties to mitigate 24 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:20,900 disease. That was an unprecedented. 25 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:23,200 Social experiment. I go into my book of the details 26 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,700 where this nonsense comes from. It's been building for over the 27 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:32,200 last 15 years. Builders in their wild dreams 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:38,900 for forced human separation and Universal asphyxiation. 29 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:43,900 In the form of masking and travel restrictions and Border 30 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:47,300 closures, and school closures and destruction of free 31 00:01:47,300 --> 00:01:48,700 enterprise. All these things have been 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,200 fantasized by series of scientists for a long time, the 33 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:58,000 extraordinary, your that's come out almost daily ever since. 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,800 He's evil, evil lockdowns have begun. 35 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:04,000 Has failed to be able to document any kind of empirically 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,500 significant relationship between lockdowns and life saves like no 37 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:12,400 relationship whatsoever. And we have this documented on 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,200 study after study after study the most recent one which just 39 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,700 came out this morning, so, Looks G minutes. 40 00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:22,600 It has failed completely. We put we put a bunch of cranks 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,800 and crazies and wackos in charge of the world briefly and look 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,200 what they did to us. Now, if I'm the average Joe, I'm 43 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,800 thinking a virus goes from one person to another because 44 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,600 they're close to each other. So, if we spread people out one, 45 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,000 so we don't overwhelm the hospitals and to give us some 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,500 time, so we can get a vaccine, doesn't that just logically get 47 00:02:45,500 --> 00:02:48,400 us to a place where there's less interaction less spreading of 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,500 the virus. There's a lot of things and what 49 00:02:51,500 --> 00:02:55,000 you just said that are under question, one is the idea that 50 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,900 there's any kind of pressure on hospitals. 51 00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:59,500 We empirical we know that most Suppose in this country. 52 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:01,500 We're not just not just not overwhelm. 53 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:05,400 They emptied out because government wouldn't let you go 54 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,600 get a surgery because your medical procedures 55 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,300 non-essential. So we bankrupted hundreds of 56 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:14,700 hospitals in this country with this with this gibberish. 57 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,900 The the second thing is that a coronavirus there's never been 58 00:03:19,900 --> 00:03:24,300 in the history of vaccines. Anything like a vaccine for a 59 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:27,900 coronavirus. The common cold is one example 60 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:29,400 of it. This is Is not polio. 61 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:34,800 This is not a smallpox. This is not even mumps or 62 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,300 measles or chicken pox. And you can take issue with some 63 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:40,400 of those axons. I'm not sure. 64 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,100 We even need a chicken, we do. But anyway, that's another issue 65 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:45,400 should be left up to the individual but there's never 66 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,600 been anything like a vaccine for a coronavirus. 67 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,800 So we're going to come up with this novel solution. 68 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:52,300 It's in that sense. It's very interesting. 69 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:54,700 Like what's happening therapeutically is that this is 70 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:56,200 try not to be very much like AIDS. 71 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,900 We don't have an AIDS vaccine. But a is, is very much under 72 00:03:59,900 --> 00:04:02,300 control of one thing. The symptoms are diminishing. 73 00:04:02,300 --> 00:04:06,600 As often happens with many forms of viruses that over time, as 74 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,300 herd immunity grows the virus weekends, because why does the 75 00:04:10,308 --> 00:04:12,100 virus we can? Because it has to get smarter, 76 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:15,500 to guess to get smart to live. We can get into that. 77 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:18,100 But by the way, I don't think we can talk about any of these 78 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:20,300 things, without understanding, something about immunology, and 79 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:24,000 virology, and epidemiology, and public health. 80 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,100 And one of the things you learn from Understanding of that is 81 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:33,700 that the goal isn't always to avoid the virus that might be in 82 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:40,300 the case of something like Ebola but for for a widespread and for 83 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,900 the overwhelming 99.9% of the population point five percent 84 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:48,800 the population for this, we basically a mild and sickness 85 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:51,600 the goal is not to avoid it, you know. 86 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,200 Yeah sure if you want to wash your hands with water, but you 87 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,700 want you want to shove off your herd immunity on somebody else. 88 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,400 But basically you have to recode In system to every new virus. 89 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:03,400 By the way. As I'm talking, I'm almost 90 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,000 astonished that I have to say this because this is basically 91 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,100 ninth grade biology and every generation learned. 92 00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:12,200 This my mother, her mother, her mother's mother. 93 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:15,400 They all learned this in basic biology class. 94 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,500 I learned that you have an immune system that fights 95 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:20,400 viruses around you and they have to be updated and upgraded, just 96 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,200 like you update your iPhone. And the only way you do that is 97 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,000 by pressing pressing upgrades, right? 98 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,900 And you get the new codes, you get the fixes and for the 99 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:29,900 changes. Another world changes in the 100 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:32,900 virus World changes and so you have to adapt to the new 101 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:35,700 informations after your immune system, adapts in information 102 00:05:35,700 --> 00:05:38,200 out there. So it's a huge and actually 103 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,400 intellectually and medically outrageous idea that you should 104 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,700 avoid viruses. That's just Preposterous you 105 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:45,700 want to avoid viruses, avoid the world. 106 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,300 Is there any correlation because I'm thinking of a way to 107 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:52,400 falsify? The lockdown theory? 108 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,000 Is there any correlation between states that had stricter, 109 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,700 lockdowns and better results and countries that had stricter 110 00:06:00,700 --> 00:06:03,200 lockdowns and better results results? 111 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,400 Meaning not necessarily numbers, but number of deaths, what's 112 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,200 interesting about the question asked is that it's an empirical. 113 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,500 It's an empirical question. Right? 114 00:06:10,500 --> 00:06:13,100 So there's there's two issues that you have to address in any 115 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:16,100 kind of empirical study widened its correlation and then There's 116 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:18,100 a second step which is causation. 117 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:21,500 Right? Much more difficult relations, 118 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:26,800 the first step and then you have to run all sorts of house fist 119 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,400 created statistical of new techniques to discern causation 120 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,700 by basically introducing multivariate analysis. 121 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:36,900 And this sort of thing. What's fascinating about this 122 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:40,700 question about whether there's a relationship between live saved 123 00:06:40,700 --> 00:06:43,900 and lockdowns is that they can't even get to the first step in 124 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:46,800 others. You can't prove any Causation, 125 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,600 because there's simply not any correlation at all. 126 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,100 There's nothing. It's just a bunch of scattered 127 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:55,100 dots on a page. And that, the, and we've seen 128 00:06:55,100 --> 00:07:00,400 this again and again, and again, you know, the in the case of the 129 00:07:00,407 --> 00:07:01,400 u.s. I'll just use. 130 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,800 Well, we could look internationally. 131 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,000 I mean, one of the most open states in the world was Taiwan 132 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,900 and they have very few deaths in very few infections. 133 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:13,800 I'm just like, it's not even a thing and they stay completely 134 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,800 open. Now, the Taiwanese case is 135 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,800 fascinating because I had a pretty systematic testing 136 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,300 restriction at the border. So there are controlling for the 137 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,000 but there's even there's no relationship between the good 138 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,100 outcomes in Taiwan and and the restrictions of the Border. 139 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:34,700 There's a lot of speculation about the Taiwanese case, which 140 00:07:34,700 --> 00:07:35,700 one of the weirdest in the world. 141 00:07:35,700 --> 00:07:38,600 I must say, but very few deaths at all. 142 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,300 What happens to 10 years ago. They had a very strong outbreak 143 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:45,500 of SARS. Now the virus itself to the 144 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:46,800 stic. Is called covid-19. 145 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,500 It's a species of the coronavirus generally but the 146 00:07:50,500 --> 00:07:55,700 virus itself is called Stars Cove to and the stars stars was 147 00:07:55,700 --> 00:07:59,500 allowed to run wild and and Taiwan 10 years ago. 148 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:02,900 And there's a lot of speculation in this young population that 149 00:08:02,900 --> 00:08:06,400 they built up immunities and that's what did it, you know, 150 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,000 that's that expensive Taiwanese situation because there's a lot 151 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,500 of cross communities with other stars in the czar's family. 152 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:16,900 So that's a no. Just in case they but they 153 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:19,900 stayed completely open place. Like Peru, you have mass death 154 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:22,800 and whose lockdowns. So, you know, I'm there seems to 155 00:08:22,808 --> 00:08:27,500 be no relationship whatsoever. I would ask only one Proviso and 156 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,800 I've yet to see this has been fully demonstrated but it does 157 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,299 make intuitive sense. In somebody that the more you 158 00:08:34,299 --> 00:08:36,400 lock down the longer you delay, herd immunity. 159 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,700 And that's, I think a big concern for the signers of the 160 00:08:40,700 --> 00:08:44,100 great Branson declaration. They were very concerned about 161 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:44,900 this. I deserve. 162 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,200 Medical professionals in the Declaration that was signed by 163 00:08:48,900 --> 00:08:53,900 by now six thousand. Scientists been probably nine 164 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:58,100 thousand medical practitioners that the lockdowns are actually 165 00:08:58,100 --> 00:09:01,400 delaying herd immunity and therefore prolonging the pain, 166 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:06,500 and the suffering and and cause it all sorts of ancillary Grim 167 00:09:06,900 --> 00:09:10,700 effects. One of your articles was 168 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:14,700 fact-checked by USA Today and it was regarding the Hong Kong 169 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:17,500 fluid 1968. I read the article and the 170 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:21,200 verdict is your research was correct, very well done. 171 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,700 I had not heard of this. None of my parents, our 172 00:09:23,708 --> 00:09:27,200 grandparents, at heard of it. What was the Hong Kong flu of 173 00:09:28,300 --> 00:09:31,900 and what can we learn from the implications of what happened? 174 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:35,800 There was an H1N1 virus. Same as 19, 1918. 175 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:42,800 So a very, very Serious flu and it killed 100,000 Americans back 176 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,900 at a time when the population was Far lower and far younger 177 00:09:46,900 --> 00:09:49,500 and actually a massive healthier. 178 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,700 So, if you make the adjustments to the current demographics for 179 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:58,300 the number of Americans that that that died in 1968, 69, it 180 00:09:58,300 --> 00:10:02,900 would be on the order of 240,000 from from, from what was an H1N1 181 00:10:02,900 --> 00:10:06,300 virus, which you'd think an H1N1 virus would have thrown the 182 00:10:06,300 --> 00:10:09,600 whole country into a panic because it was Identical, not 183 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,800 identical because I love your food slightly different, but 184 00:10:11,900 --> 00:10:17,600 very similar to the 1918 Spanish flu, but public health authority 185 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,700 in those days. They knew after long experience. 186 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:24,800 It's a right thing to do in the case of a serious flu epidemic 187 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,800 because to maintain social functioning as best as possible. 188 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,900 Not panic, not do weird things that violate people's rights are 189 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:35,400 abolished the Constitution and encourage young people than on 190 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,200 vulnerable people to intermingle get together. 191 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,200 Shirley closin, I guess we could say. 192 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,100 And that's why Woodstock went ahead. 193 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,600 Now, when I wrote the article is very interesting because because 194 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,100 I wrote all about how we had this Dreadful pandemic in 1968, 195 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,900 69 and along with civil rights as looking through the the kinds 196 00:10:54,900 --> 00:10:57,800 of things that that happened that year, one of which was the 197 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,100 Woodstock festival, right? Music festival. 198 00:11:00,500 --> 00:11:02,100 And so I pointed out that it happened in the middle of the 199 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:03,800 pandemic. People said, oh the pandemic, 200 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,200 peaked in January and then it has a second wave. 201 00:11:08,300 --> 00:11:10,800 Later in the year. So with stock happened, you 202 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,000 know. In between those that here's the 203 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,300 problem that kind of analysis is that you don't know the waves 204 00:11:16,700 --> 00:11:20,700 except exposed, right? You don't know what they consist 205 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:23,300 of within while you're in the middle of it. 206 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:24,800 And one of the things is fascinating. 207 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:30,800 Is that BuzzFeed, I guess because I got fact-checked by 208 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,600 all the news organizations. Reuters initially said is true, 209 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,200 then they said it was partially true. 210 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,900 Then they said is partially misleading so he could just 211 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:40,600 basically Bobby and effort, you know, on the part of lock 212 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,100 downers, but I think it's Basics. 213 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,100 No, it's Scopes. Snows said that they had 214 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:53,000 contacted the organizer with socket said, were you worried 215 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,400 about the flu and he wrote back and said no. 216 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,200 No, we knew we knew there was no food. 217 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,300 We knew the fluid was already over in January. 218 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:01,000 So with wasn't even an issue for us. 219 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:05,500 Well, Phil Magnus here at the American Institute for economic 220 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:09,900 research, found a clipping from A newspaper and New York. 221 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,000 Small, New York newspaper that exact same guy. 222 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,800 And the month before the was talk happened. 223 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,100 Expressing public concern about the flu and he made sure that he 224 00:12:23,100 --> 00:12:27,100 had doctors on hand to take care of people in case they 225 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:30,600 contracted it. So he openly and aggressively 226 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,600 lied to Snopes and we proved it by posting that clipping and I 227 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,800 think I have a screenshot of that clipping on the They are 228 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,600 now because I had to fight for my life during that period 229 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:45,100 because the article got about 10 million, 20 million reads, 230 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:49,100 something like that and and it was a great piece in a sense of 231 00:12:49,108 --> 00:12:50,300 the Consultants accidentally great. 232 00:12:50,300 --> 00:12:51,800 Like I just wrote it because I was like, whatever. 233 00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:55,400 My attitude is always like it's a disease that's between you and 234 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,100 your doctor. Why were you shut it outside? 235 00:12:57,100 --> 00:13:00,900 It was been by perspective since since February, on this really 236 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:02,600 January. Really, I've heard that before 237 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:09,000 15 years, but so, but the thing about the articles, That it 238 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,700 shocked people because the people I think intuitively know, 239 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:13,700 there's something wrong. We're doing it wrong. 240 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,900 Like we've never had this happen in the history of the world, the 241 00:13:16,900 --> 00:13:19,100 entire Globe shutting down for a virus. 242 00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:20,300 Like, what, why are we doing this? 243 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:23,900 It doesn't make any sense. And, so, to point out that if we 244 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:28,300 had locked down in 1968, 69 that we would have lost the single, 245 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:34,100 most significant musical artistic cultural and even 246 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:36,700 political event at the second half of the 20th century. 247 00:13:36,700 --> 00:13:40,000 That's pretty shocking which makes you Wonder how much 248 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:45,100 culture art we missing out on, because they were all many 249 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:46,300 people still locked in the house. 250 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:48,400 I miss, we do. I mean, the lockdowns continue. 251 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,800 I'm you can't go to a Broadway. You can't go to a theater in New 252 00:13:50,808 --> 00:13:53,100 York. You can't go to a bar and you 253 00:13:53,100 --> 00:13:55,700 can't settle up to a bar anywhere in Massachusetts, 254 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:57,500 Connecticut, Vermont New Hampshire. 255 00:13:57,700 --> 00:14:00,900 And this whole thing is the totalitarian and outrageous and 256 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:02,100 there's going to be hell to pay for it. 257 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,000 One of the Great Tricks, the estate display is to make it 258 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,800 sound as though there are solutions as opposed to costs 259 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,400 and benefits. Henry hazlitt says the art of 260 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,600 Economics consists in looking not merely at the immediate, but 261 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,200 at the longer effects of an act or policy, it consists in 262 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,400 tracing the consequences of that policy, not merely for one 263 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:27,200 group, but for all groups, what are the secondary effects of the 264 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,300 lockdowns that are going on appreciated by the media and 265 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:33,500 politicians. It's tragic because Back in 266 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:35,600 March. We already wrote an article 267 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,400 saying there's going to be suicides are going to be drug 268 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,100 overdose is going to be alcoholism. 269 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:44,300 We're just going to be death by loneliness and mass depression 270 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:46,000 and despair. We said all this because the 271 00:14:46,008 --> 00:14:49,000 empirical literature already verified, that we know this room 272 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,400 is not I mean, it's a huge literature on this. 273 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:52,900 You look at all up and it's all there. 274 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:55,300 You can make perfect, almost perfect predictions about what's 275 00:14:55,300 --> 00:14:57,800 going to happen. Well, now suddenly we do have 276 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,500 the empirical information coming out. 277 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:02,700 Suicides Rob drug overdoses, Miss cancer, screening. 278 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:07,100 Has breast cancer and every other form of cancer missed 279 00:15:07,100 --> 00:15:09,600 immunizations, which is rich. In other words. 280 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,600 We created a Public Health crisis by enacting this 281 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,200 lockdowns. And I don't have to tell you or 282 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,700 your listeners about this. I mean, the last seven months 283 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:21,900 have been have been absolute hell on people. 284 00:15:22,100 --> 00:15:24,900 We still can't fly to Paris. Paris still can't fly to us. 285 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,100 You know, we can't, we don't have the freedom to travel but I 286 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:32,600 can't even go see my mother in Texas without going under a 2 287 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,200 week. 12. I mean, this is fake science, 288 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,900 bad public policy that despotic actions. 289 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:40,800 That is that it's got this immense human costs and I don't 290 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,100 know what the hell is wrong with public officials in this country 291 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:46,400 that they can only think in this one. 292 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:50,100 Just single variant analysis is like stop the virus or yeah, you 293 00:15:50,108 --> 00:15:52,100 want to stop the virus to stop the world. 294 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,600 What happens when you stop the world. 295 00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:57,900 There's going to be a lot of Carnage and we're going to be 296 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:05,300 facing this Carnage for 10 years, if not longer now, put 297 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:09,900 yourself back in the mindset of February or March and the 298 00:16:09,900 --> 00:16:13,100 average Joe might say, we did not know what this was for all. 299 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:14,500 We knew it could have killed one. 300 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:17,700 Third of all Americans. So the lockdowns were morally 301 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:20,900 Justified because we simply had no information. 302 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,700 It's easy for the Libertarians to now, look back and say what 303 00:16:24,700 --> 00:16:28,000 should have been at the time. We didn't know we played it safe 304 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,600 and likely saved lives out of yours. 305 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,600 Bond. If you don't, if you don't know 306 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,600 about a virus, then you shouldn't act as if you do and 307 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,000 that everything that we did about lockdowns is acting as if 308 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,200 there's some relationship in lockdown, a controlling virus, 309 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,700 there's no there's no evidence that that we didn't know. 310 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,500 And and, and, and therefore, we shouldn't shouldn't have locked 311 00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:47,000 down because that's that's what laws are about. 312 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,100 That's what rule of laws. Uh, so Traditions about. 313 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:52,500 That's what I mean, you know, I documented so many cases in 314 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:55,500 American history. We had egregious Public Health 315 00:16:55,500 --> 00:16:57,700 crisis, and we never got rid of the Constitution. 316 00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:01,500 I mean George, Washington's. Troops faced, a terrible 317 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:05,000 outbreak of smallpox. It was grim and horrible, then 318 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,300 they end up inoculate themselves, you know, they would 319 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:09,800 get the smallpox dad. Scrape officer, scabs injected 320 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,200 them to their skin that you have five percent death rate, but 321 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,400 from that kind of unsanitary attempts at not inoculation, but 322 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,500 they did it anyway because they understood something about 323 00:17:19,500 --> 00:17:21,700 science. I don't know what went wrong on 324 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:24,700 21st century where we all pretend as we don't know 325 00:17:24,700 --> 00:17:27,300 anything about viruses or Immunology. 326 00:17:28,099 --> 00:17:32,000 So I mean, Had a hard time actually believe in that this 327 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,900 has happened. I remember March 8th was the 328 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:37,200 first really big evil action of the United States. 329 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,500 That was a shutting down of South by Southwest, the Austin 330 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,600 Tech event, that's attended by 10 to 20 thousand people, 331 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,300 something like that, the mayor just cancel the whole thing, you 332 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:51,900 know, Valley Bank contracts, all over the place, you're ripping 333 00:17:51,900 --> 00:17:55,600 up plan takes and posing vast costs on the city and, you know, 334 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,100 the hospitality industry and so on. 335 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,700 And I do cried it. I wrote an article saying this 336 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:03,600 is, this is an egregious China, the China like actions, and 337 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,700 didn't know free. People can live this way. 338 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,400 Of course, got worse. March March 12th. 339 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,800 We got the, the travel bans, from Europe, and then later, 340 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:20,100 Australia, and the UK, and people of families separated 341 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:23,800 into people trapped, and it was just gas, a. 342 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,800 That was the Trump Administration to develop stuff. 343 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,300 So they were the first real, despite Trump. 344 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,600 Transaction. That could be some sort of, you 345 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,200 know, champion of openness and God bless him with this extent. 346 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,500 At least he's learned over time. But initially, he was, he was 347 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:40,700 absolute terrible on on this virus. 348 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:42,900 And he was, I would say the beginning, locked on some March 349 00:18:42,900 --> 00:18:46,800 13th. The CDC issued through Pence's 350 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,000 White House, task force, a blueprint. 351 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,700 For what I read. Is it totalitarian. 352 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:55,500 Take over the US? I think AI are was the first 353 00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:59,400 people that first institution, that released that that PDF that 354 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,700 thing. Welcome to go read it. 355 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:02,500 That was a trump Administration that did it. 356 00:19:02,700 --> 00:19:04,500 Now. It's true that the states and 357 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:08,500 went much further than Trump, and they said that they're the 358 00:19:08,508 --> 00:19:12,400 ones who there was no stay home orders in the March 13th edict, 359 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,800 right? It was just travel restriction 360 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,900 school closures and that kind of stuff but the state's just 361 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:19,100 thought. Oh this looks like fun. 362 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:20,400 Good. Bunch of Governors, huh? 363 00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:21,900 It's kind of cool. Yeah. 364 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:24,800 I got em, got a power module, use it so suddenly everybody's 365 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,500 under house arrest. We were told to stay inside 366 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:29,600 because the virus is outside and then later. 367 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,000 We are told to stay outside because the virus is inside. 368 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,900 So, you know, I mean this is fake science. 369 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:39,100 It's fake science and its public policy malpractice of the worst 370 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:42,900 sort. So if we take, what was being 371 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:47,600 communicated to us, in March, they claim was cases, are going 372 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,200 to go up and up, and up along with deaths until there is some 373 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,100 sort of vaccine more or less. So, now that we're in September 374 00:19:55,100 --> 00:20:00,200 of 2020 have cases constantly gone up at a consistent rate. 375 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,600 Have deaths. Consistently gone up as at a 376 00:20:02,608 --> 00:20:05,200 consistent rate, as we were told, what would inevitably 377 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,900 happen until there was a vaccine or the, you know, the lot of 378 00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:11,200 people saying, we needed a single National Lucien on this 379 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,600 has done because the virus travels regionally because this 380 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,800 is viruses are interesting, right? 381 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,900 They're not actually living thinking things, but they have 382 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:23,500 to hop from person to person smart, viruses, do it. 383 00:20:23,500 --> 00:20:26,000 Rather. Well, by not killing their 384 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,600 hosts, stupid virus has killed too quickly like the Gladiator 385 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,300 and the early film in the early scenes of that movie, he to kill 386 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:35,900 to quickly write. And that's Ebola, right? 387 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:39,000 So smart, viruses, you know, hang around your body, mostly 388 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,600 asymptomatic, and so on. So it traveled and traveled, 389 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,900 south and traveled West and in each case. 390 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:47,600 We saw the same way. If you trust the you can't trust 391 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,600 all the testing data, you kind of trust all the Death data, 392 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,500 unfortunately, but but for the most part you can you can still 393 00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:56,200 even though even though the dad is a little suspect, you see 394 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,800 this consistent sort of pattern, the virus comes and 70 days. 395 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,200 Later is gone. And the people kills on, on 396 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,500 average are 80 to 82 years old with a 2.6 comorbidities, which 397 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:10,300 means is that, which is to say Bradley. 398 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:14,000 Life expectancy people. So which is to say, which is 399 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,800 very interesting about this particular virus because if you 400 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:23,300 are going to choose this virus is versus say a hundred other 401 00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:26,800 viruses, you know, among which you know, AIDS and Ebola and all 402 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,200 these other terrible things or 68, you know, which targeted 403 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,400 pregnant. Women have polio? 404 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,400 Which targets young girls between the ages of like 7 and 405 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:39,900 12 and maims them for life. I'm Jesus and flu season, a 406 00:21:39,908 --> 00:21:41,000 fluke. Can be Wicked. 407 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,200 I had a friend who just up and died at the age of 24 perfectly 408 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,000 healthy person from the flu 2 years ago. 409 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:51,300 You would choose this virus. And the reason is this virus is 410 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 over. It's incredibly mild for the 411 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,200 overwhelming amount of the population. 412 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,700 We know precisely who the non vulnerable. 413 00:21:58,700 --> 00:22:03,200 Populations are mainly healthy people under the age of 70 80, 414 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,800 and actually you can be 110 and have a healthy immune system and 415 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,000 and have no trouble with this. This coronavirus, so we know 416 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 specifically Who had who had harms. 417 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,300 You would choose this virus. I forget now, your question, but 418 00:22:17,300 --> 00:22:17,700 yeah. Oh, yeah. 419 00:22:17,708 --> 00:22:22,000 So anyway, so what happens, what happens in place that place the 420 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,500 virus arrives and and its victims are those who cannot 421 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:28,900 withstand the virus and then everybody else gets it. 422 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:30,400 Her demeanor has achieved a move on. 423 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,300 We've had herd immunity more or less kind of, sort of, at least 424 00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:35,400 according the Immunology. As I talked with, I should say 425 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,900 epidemiologist. I talked to in the Northeast 426 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:42,000 since about the middle. April, if you can believe it, 427 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,900 and yet, New York still locked down. 428 00:22:43,900 --> 00:22:46,100 New Jersey, still locked down, still got lockdowns in 429 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:49,300 Massachusetts. So it's outrageous. 430 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:51,700 We had some good governors in this country that figured out 431 00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:54,600 what they did wrong and just went ahead and opened up so camp 432 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,400 in Georgia to Santa's in Florida. 433 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,100 Arizona has been you know, more or less OK and we have States 434 00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:02,400 that never locked down at all South Dakota. 435 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,400 North Dakota South Dakota in particular Naomi or Christie 436 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,700 known as. It's just been this great 437 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:10,300 Champion. The should never locked down. 438 00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:17,500 And they have one of the lowest death per million in the United 439 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:18,800 States. I mean, I think they're like the 440 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,400 fifth lowest to right? So and actually, if you look at 441 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,200 all the no lockdown stays, they had the lowest death per million 442 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,600 of all the other states. So you can't make any sense of 443 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,600 this stuff, right? And and it's not about 444 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,100 population density. Either. 445 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:34,600 We ran a study here comparing population densities between 446 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,900 South Carolina, South Dakota, and other other states with low 447 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:40,300 population, density and a handful of big. 448 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,300 Cities, like Maine, and, and others and South Dakota. 449 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:46,100 Still comes out better. And I think the reason is that 450 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:49,700 has something to do with, with herd immunity and also 451 00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:52,400 pre-existing M, and T cells to. So, there's a lot of factors 452 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,400 that go into this. Let me say something to 453 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,500 Libertarians at this point, because I think, I think your 454 00:23:57,500 --> 00:24:01,600 audience might be libertarian minded. 455 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:06,400 You can't, you can't use philosophical priors to 456 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,400 understand viruses. That's a huge mistake, you know, 457 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,800 to understand. Like the relationship of viruses 458 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,500 to to Public Health and to human Liberty. 459 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:21,600 It requires that you learn something about science requires 460 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,700 that you hit the books and figure out something about 461 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:27,300 immunology and and viruses and not just make things up. 462 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:30,200 So in the early days of this, I've been very as you have we 463 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,600 all have been deeply disappointed in the libertarian 464 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,000 response because very confused. I mean the early days somebody 465 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,900 said oh viruses that's an aggression. 466 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:40,200 So so we all have to mask up and locked. 467 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:43,300 Down. And so the government is is 468 00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:45,500 totally justified in doing this because that's consist of the 469 00:24:45,500 --> 00:24:47,700 non-aggression principle, which is just about ridiculous. 470 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:50,000 It's the same thing as if I announce that lemons are 471 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,800 extremely dangerous to you and started shooting people to store 472 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,500 who were buying them. And I said, well, I'm preventing 473 00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:57,700 people from aggressing against me with limits, you know, I 474 00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:00,500 don't know. You can make up your Tails, but 475 00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:02,800 Libertarians need to get sophisticated about science. 476 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,400 They need to start taking other disciplines besides their own 477 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,200 seriously and economists and and political philosopher. 478 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,400 And especially libertarian activist needs to start actually 479 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,100 like taking a few days off and and reading cell biology for 480 00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:19,500 dummies to figure out what we're talking about here. 481 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:22,100 Turns out of virus getting a virus is not aggression, it very 482 00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:23,400 well. Could be benefaction. 483 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,800 Might be you might be getting a favor because you have to get in 484 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,500 your your immune system. Isn't that what the flu shot is? 485 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:31,400 I mean, I know so little about the blue. 486 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,400 That's okay. You know, I mean, I don't I 487 00:25:33,408 --> 00:25:36,300 don't personally get the flu shot, but I know a lot of people 488 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,000 do feel about 30% affected. The reason is that there's 489 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,400 basically four flus And and there's a forecasting model that 490 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,200 has to go out every year and so immunologist get together and 491 00:25:47,208 --> 00:25:49,500 try to figure out which brand of flu shot. 492 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:52,400 They're going to they're going to mark it as the one that's 493 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,300 going to happen this year. Based on the probabilities of 494 00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:56,800 the flu coming, they can get it. They get it. 495 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,500 Right? Some years. 496 00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:00,600 They get wrong, some other some of years on average, the flu 497 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,400 shot protects about 30% of the people, get it, but only 40% of 498 00:26:03,408 --> 00:26:07,300 the population, takes flu shot. So the important thing to 499 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:12,300 remember about about vaccines is not Vaccine is not like some 500 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:14,300 sort of disease Shield. All right, it's not how it 501 00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:16,600 works. What it does, is it gives you a 502 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,500 tiny element of the cygnus itself and invites your body's 503 00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:23,200 immune system to build up immunities to that. 504 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,800 So that when the real thing comes along, you've already got 505 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,400 your immunities, if you don't have a functioning immune 506 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,000 system, the vaccine will not work, which is why this 507 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,500 coronavirus seen, even if we had had it and January. 508 00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:37,000 We don't know how many lives that would have saved, maybe 509 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,800 none, maybe half. We don't know. 510 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,400 But the reason people are Dying from the crowded bars. 511 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,000 They had, they had extremely weak. 512 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,900 Non functioning immune systems, in which case the vaccine will 513 00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:47,000 not work. Now. 514 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,300 I'm telling you this, which, you know, is an extraordinary 515 00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:54,300 actually realization. I'm telling you this because 516 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:59,500 this was told to me by a person who serves on the task force to 517 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:02,200 evaluate vaccines for the CDC, right? 518 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,600 You told me this vaccine, even if it happens, if it happens, 519 00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:09,300 but will not have long-lasting effects. 520 00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:13,500 It may only Twenty thirty percent of the population 521 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:15,900 because, you know, viruses change, right? 522 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:18,500 They evolved, just like, Society evolves. 523 00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:22,800 Very interesting things, these viruses and, but the problem is 524 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,100 that, the people who need the vaccine, don't can't respond to 525 00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:28,800 because they have broken immune systems, and the people who have 526 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,700 good immune systems, don't need the vaccine. 527 00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:32,600 So this is a serious problem. I don't know. 528 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,200 You think of it as Venn diagram, not going to help, don't need. 529 00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:39,200 Maybe there's a small percentage of the population is in between 530 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,300 for whom this would actually Be a benefit. 531 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,200 I hope so. But but even then it may not 532 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,800 provide lasting immunity. And here's another thing, you 533 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,400 have to remember. And again, I'm not a doctor and 534 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,300 I am not took ninth grade biology. 535 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:57,500 Mostly. I learned all this stuff for my 536 00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:03,000 mother, but the world's most important epidemiologist told me 537 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:09,400 that there is no question. That any competent scientists 538 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,200 will tell you this. That acquired natural immunities 539 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:19,100 are far more safe and effective than any vaccine. 540 00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:22,900 Even the best ones to think about that. 541 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,300 Wow. Again, the book is liberty or 542 00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:26,200 lockdown. Mr. Tucker. 543 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,300 I have two more questions for you, please. 544 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,700 It looks like the state sort of cells us a new lie, every decade 545 00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:36,000 the state gets to grow because there's communism will actually 546 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,700 there's terrorism and their Saddam and there's the 2008 547 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:41,800 crash. Ash and there's inequality and 548 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:45,300 now there's racism and there's corruption in business and now 549 00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:48,900 there's covid every time they sell us on a new thing and the 550 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:51,400 masses fall for it. Do you have any philosophical 551 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,900 ideas or lot or ways of thinking that could get us to stop 552 00:28:56,900 --> 00:29:01,200 falling for this Charlie kicking the ball that Lucy keeps 553 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,900 tricking him with every single time. 554 00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:06,100 There's no question that the state is a very smart virus. 555 00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:08,400 This case. It doesn't kill us. 556 00:29:08,408 --> 00:29:13,000 It just keeps Keeps living going from person to person, you know, 557 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,800 and and crawling under their brains, you know, so that's a. 558 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,300 I wish we could get ourselves out of this. 559 00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:21,800 This idea that we can solve any social economic problems with 560 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,200 with government because we can't. 561 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,600 I mean, the world's always give it an imperfect place. 562 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,300 We have to struggle through it and figure out how to had a 563 00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:31,900 mitigator problems. But using compulsion and guns 564 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:36,600 and coercion and big shots like idiots, like Dan Andrews, and us 565 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,600 and Australia, or Andrew Cuomo, New York, and this is These 566 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,600 people don't know medicine. They don't heal anybody. 567 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,200 Then I'll discover viruses. They don't, they've got saved a 568 00:29:45,208 --> 00:29:48,000 single soul of Koufax, just quite the, quite the reverse. 569 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:53,400 I don't know what to do. I've feel like we like 570 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,800 Libertarians really, really need to upgrade their knowledge of a 571 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,200 variety of different fields because we keep being blindsided 572 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,700 by new information and they get scared. 573 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:04,700 And that's the other thing. I've really been disappointed as 574 00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:07,100 just, this sort of the lack of moral courage that have seen 575 00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,800 over the last seven months, people going along with things 576 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,000 that you People going along with things when they shouldn't have 577 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,900 gone along with them, you know, and even Libertarians in the 578 00:30:15,908 --> 00:30:17,200 steps are to keep harping on this. 579 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,900 But I mean, the left has been terrible. 580 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:21,500 Also, the right has been the National Review is has been 581 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:24,000 terrible on lockdowns, but libertarian should have known 582 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,600 better than they should have spoken up earlier. 583 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,400 We need to upgrade our knowledge and we need to upgrade our moral 584 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,800 courage and start speaking out. I think we can defeat this. 585 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,300 The other thing is that I think there's a lot of public outrage 586 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,700 right now towards the lockdowns. And I'm hoping that over the 587 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:42,000 next year or two three. People going to think about what 588 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,200 happened and what we let government get away with in. 589 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,100 They're going to start building some serious extreme protections 590 00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:50,000 against letting this ever ever happen again. 591 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:53,400 Sure. The final question I have is 592 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,800 someone I was speaking with said there are no Libertarians or 593 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,000 Freedom advocates in a pandemic. The one thing this pandemic has 594 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,400 done is make me more of a stance socialist is the existence of 595 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,300 this pandemic or this virus. An indictment of the 596 00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:14,600 free-market, self-ownership non-aggression principle, and 597 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,000 voluntary, contracts of to my mind is exactly the opposite. 598 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,900 The only thing we've learned is that that that free market 599 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:25,000 voluntary, contracts, individual sovereignty and choice, and 600 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,800 social order generally is the only thing that really works and 601 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,300 the event of a crisis. And and the worst thing you can 602 00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:36,200 do is throw a bunch of guns and cops at it, what it really 603 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,700 amounts to a medical problem. I mean, it's astonishing to me, 604 00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:42,700 whatever would have done this. There's not a single textbook on 605 00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:46,100 epidemiology, anywhere on the planet Earth, that recommends 606 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:50,100 that you lock people in the homes, Universal quarantines for 607 00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:53,000 the sick and the nonstick, they ban travel and quite the 608 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,200 opposite, Douglas Henderson bun to the Donald him. 609 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,200 Some other great epidemiologist in the 20 20th century. 610 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,300 The guy who radicand smallpox said that none of these things 611 00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:07,500 work, you know, Matt Matt math and travel ban school closures. 612 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,100 And he says, if you do these things you would discredit 613 00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:13,300 Health regeneration. And it'll turn into a manageable 614 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:18,500 virus into a social catastrophe, and he was exactly right. 615 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:22,400 That's exactly what we've done. I want to thank everyone for 616 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,200 watching Keith and I don't try it on anyone. 617 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,000 The book is liberty or lockdown right in the description. 618 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,500 Give it a click check it out on Amazon. 619 00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,400 You can read the introduction. The forward for free. 620 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,100 And that will really make you pull the trigger on this 621 00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:39,200 purchase. He cites a primary sources. 622 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:45,200 He cites studies from Israeli research, that shows days it the 623 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,400 virus comes to a population and then goes through it just 624 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,100 mind-blowing things. This is how we can combat. 625 00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:54,300 The irrationality of the media and politicians mr. 626 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:55,700 Tucker. Thank you so much for your time, 627 00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:56,700 sir. Thanks for having me. 628 00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,100 Well done. Thank you. 629 00:32:58,100 --> 00:32:58,500 Thanks.