1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:02,500 Welcome to Keith's night. Don't try it on anyone and the 2 00:00:02,500 --> 00:00:05,800 libertarian be Institute today. I am honored to be joined by 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 David Cole. You might know him as the 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,400 Republican party animal. He is a columnist at talkies 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,900 magazine. He works there with Pat 6 00:00:14,900 --> 00:00:19,200 Buchanan, my hero and Ann Coulter, and a number of other 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,800 columnists. Mr. Cole. 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,100 Thank you so much for your time. Oh, it's a pleasure. 9 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:25,400 Keith. Glad to be here. 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,600 Very glad to be here. Thank you for having me on. 11 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:30,900 Well. I am so honored that I got a 12 00:00:30,907 --> 00:00:33,600 copy of this book before it was taken off Amazon. 13 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,300 Where can people get this. I don't even know where to link 14 00:00:36,300 --> 00:00:37,700 people to. Yeah. 15 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:42,100 That's the thing, two things happened, pretty much in a row, 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,900 my publisher and impart free passed away in 2018. 17 00:00:49,700 --> 00:00:51,700 And his sister took over the company. 18 00:00:51,700 --> 00:00:56,000 And in 2019, she decided to take the company woke. 19 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,700 So they got rid of several titles that they Considered to 20 00:01:00,700 --> 00:01:04,400 be too dangerous for their blood. 21 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:08,200 So they took the book out of print, but then we're still a 22 00:01:08,208 --> 00:01:10,300 lot of copies floating around in the world. 23 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:15,000 So you could sell them on Amazon and that was always a books and 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Amazon there would always be copies, but then last year 2021 25 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:28,900 the sitcom star Debra Messing decided to Lobby Amazon to not 26 00:01:28,900 --> 00:01:32,900 allow. The sale of my book at all even 27 00:01:32,900 --> 00:01:39,000 in used editions and she was successful in that so you can't 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,600 sell any version of it. On Amazon occasionally, a 29 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:47,600 version will pop up on eBay and they started about five hundred 30 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,700 dollars there. That's the I try to remember a 31 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:55,000 time when you could get the book on Amazon for 19 bucks. 32 00:01:55,300 --> 00:01:59,600 And now the rare copies you come across started 500. 33 00:01:59,700 --> 00:02:05,200 I An actively looking for a new publisher, but it's an arduous 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,500 process because it's got to be somebody if the Amazon band 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,500 continues and it ended likely will that it's got to be a 36 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:15,900 publisher. Could move the book without 37 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:19,900 having to rely on Amazon because a very difficult Proposition E 38 00:02:19,900 --> 00:02:23,500 days because Amazon kind of hasn't bit of a Stranglehold on 39 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:27,400 the publishing industry. Unbelievable stuff. 40 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,300 Well, I was watching a speech you gave with Ann Coulter where 41 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:34,800 you would said, there are two books that you recommend to 42 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,300 people that they need to read. I want to go over both of those 43 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:40,600 relatively briefly. The first one is titled, the 44 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,400 Soviet impact on society. My favorite quote was from page 45 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,800 186. He says, more or less. 46 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:52,100 These acts of open violence temporary expropriation of 47 00:02:52,100 --> 00:02:54,300 private property and destruction of Machinery. 48 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:57,800 Such as the ripping out. Gears and Transmissions belt are 49 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,800 perpetrated by the Communists wing of the labor unions. 50 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,000 Not in order to obtain better working conditions for the 51 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,600 worker but to create a definite Schism between employer and 52 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,100 employee. Why is the left constantly 53 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:13,500 creating these chisholm's employer versus employee black 54 00:03:13,500 --> 00:03:16,200 versus white man versus woman Rich versus poor. 55 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,700 Well, you have to put the things in what you just mentioned, of 56 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:23,800 course, is eternal. I mean, it's going on now the 57 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,500 same as it went on a hundred years ago, but But in terms of 58 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:30,100 the book, these Soviet impact on society by date of birth groans. 59 00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:36,700 It was a book that was concentrating solely on the post 60 00:03:36,700 --> 00:03:45,500 World War 1. The concerted effort by by 61 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:51,400 leftists, by Marxist by Communists, to disrupt the order 62 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,600 in in Europe and ruins Goes Country bike. 63 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:59,500 Entry and region by region. Like the Bavaria, the 64 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:03,100 short-lived Bavarian Communist dictatorship. 65 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:07,200 And he goes into other parts of Europe where either these 66 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:09,900 attempt to disruption, where either successful or 67 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:11,800 unsuccessful. We talked about hungry, talked 68 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:18,200 about Romania and Poland and the importance of that particular 69 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,900 book. Apart from as you pointed out 70 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:24,700 showing you that the stuff that's going on. 71 00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:27,600 Now is going on 100 years ago, is as well. 72 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,100 But the greater historical importance of that book is. 73 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:38,300 You can't understand the 1930s. You can't understand the rise of 74 00:04:38,300 --> 00:04:42,700 Nazism and what everything that would eventually lead to the 75 00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:45,300 second world war. You can't understand any of that 76 00:04:45,500 --> 00:04:49,100 without understand understanding what the European mindset. 77 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:54,900 I was following all of these attempts to disruption, all 78 00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:57,300 throughout Europe, all throughout what used to be the 79 00:04:57,300 --> 00:05:01,300 austro-hungarian Empire, and the countries surrounding it. 80 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:08,000 Coupled with one Stalin took power coupled with very ruthless 81 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,300 expansionism. Attempted expansionism. 82 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:16,300 All over the place is as Soviet Union began collecting more and 83 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:20,500 more territory. So the Importance of the of that 84 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:28,400 particular book as annexed. Oracle artifact is when you 85 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,300 finish reading it and then you realize, you put yourself in the 86 00:05:32,300 --> 00:05:36,700 position of the German having to choose between different, 87 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:40,700 political parties, in the 1930s. It and there were many of them 88 00:05:41,100 --> 00:05:44,600 did not see it's for all or just one of many. 89 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,100 The Communists were just one of many that were all kinds of 90 00:05:48,100 --> 00:05:52,900 political parties. In 1932 that, ran the gamut from 91 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:56,100 far left to the far, right and establishment everything in 92 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:58,500 between. So we have to put yourself in 93 00:05:58,500 --> 00:06:03,700 the position of a German facing some of these Ballot Box choices 94 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:13,000 in 1932 being aware that the Communists have already tried to 95 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,000 take over Bavaria and they were briefly successful. 96 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:22,300 They were run out on a rail but They certainly created a lot of 97 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:24,300 misery during the brief time. They were there and the 98 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:27,000 Communists have been trying all these other countries 99 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,500 surrounding Germany to destabilize and to create 100 00:06:31,500 --> 00:06:38,100 communist dictatorships there. And at that point Germans had 101 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:41,100 seen what Stalin was doing in his backyard and doing in 102 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:45,100 Ukraine, so there is a misconception. 103 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:49,300 The people in Germany, especially the ones who 104 00:06:49,300 --> 00:06:52,600 supported the Nazi party that they were paranoid. 105 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,300 It is not in any way to endorse supporting the Nazi party back 106 00:06:58,300 --> 00:07:03,100 then, but it wasn't paranoia. That was a genuine and quite 107 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:10,300 legitimate fear of what the Soviets were doing and what they 108 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:14,400 wanted to do. If there was not a strong enough 109 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,100 will on the part. Art of Germany to push back 110 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:22,500 against it. So a lot of it was was not at 111 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:26,300 all paranoid and you know that old saying just because you're 112 00:07:26,300 --> 00:07:30,500 paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you and the even 113 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:34,400 some of the people who made the really did come across a very 114 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,900 paranoid, but there was still a legitimate threat, there was 115 00:07:38,900 --> 00:07:41,100 still legitimate threat from the Soviet. 116 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,500 And of course if you mentioned the beginning, a lot of this 117 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:49,900 show, Attacked it carried on by leftists today is to drive 118 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:55,800 wedges between worker and management and between races and 119 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,200 back in the 1930s between religions. 120 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,300 It's not such a big thing anymore. 121 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:02,700 Today. Everybody's concerned these days 122 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:04,200 about race. You know, that's one of the 123 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,300 things I like to point out not to get off on at Edge. 124 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,300 One of the things I like to point out to people, the left, 125 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,200 the left big stick right now for the Last year 20 years or so. 126 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,800 But especially ramped up with in the last ten years. 127 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:23,400 We have to Stamp Out racism. We have to Stamp Out white 128 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,600 supremacy, any white person who maybe thinks that they might be 129 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,100 smarter or less criminal that a black. 130 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,400 Well, we have to crush me, even if they're not doing anything, 131 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,600 even if it just thinking these thoughts to themselves privately 132 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,500 among different, we have to crush them. 133 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,400 It's an interesting twist because that's how it used to be 134 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,200 about religion. There used to be in the western 135 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,400 world and there still is in other parts of the world and 136 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,800 it's concentrated right now in the west. 137 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,900 It used to be. We have to crush the people who 138 00:08:55,900 --> 00:08:59,600 think that we're going to hell that we're not going to heaven. 139 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:05,000 And if you really break it down, which is more insulting. 140 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:10,300 Somebody who says, because of your race. 141 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:15,600 I think I'm a couple of IQ points smarter than you versus 142 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,700 someone who says, because of your religion, your grandma's 143 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:23,100 burning in Hell, your father is burning in hell and you're gonna 144 00:09:23,100 --> 00:09:24,400 burn in hell right. Now. 145 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:30,900 Your beloved grandma is happen. Pop cold shoved up her ass and 146 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,500 feared by pitchforks. Okay, that's insulting to We 147 00:09:36,500 --> 00:09:40,700 learned to live with it. We kind of learned to get along 148 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:44,800 at some point. The post-world war two era, the 149 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,900 West made a very intelligent decision where after centuries 150 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:53,900 of fighting over this who's going to healthy people like you 151 00:09:53,908 --> 00:09:56,900 know, what? Okay, you say I'm going to hell 152 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,500 and maybe I say you're going to hell, but we can still go to 153 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:01,800 work. Every day and work side by side. 154 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,300 I'm not going to burn your house down and you're not gonna burn 155 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:07,500 my house down. Down and we can agree to 156 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:12,200 disagree about who's grandma is currently burning in hell. 157 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:19,000 It was a good move for society because after so many centuries 158 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:21,200 of people slaughtering each other. 159 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:23,400 Over this thing of who's going to hell. 160 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,200 We just sort of agreed to disagree but now the left has 161 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,300 brought it right back with the race thing because now we're 162 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:37,500 told that we have to wage holy war and Against anyone who might 163 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:42,500 have racially improper views or, or who might they be think that 164 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,200 perhaps black people don't do as well. 165 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,900 It's stem or perhaps Asian people do better in stem. 166 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,300 And now we've got a crush those people. 167 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:58,200 What, what I wish we could come around to is that sense of that 168 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,600 same sense. If they taunt that we got about 169 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,100 the going to hell thing, where we're like, you might think this 170 00:11:05,100 --> 00:11:07,800 about My race, I might think there's about your race. 171 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,800 But you know what? We don't have to crush each 172 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,200 other. That would be a good thing. 173 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,400 But right now, race is, what is being used by the left? 174 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,700 As a wedge issue, is a divisive thing and also, as a it's a 175 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:24,400 crusade whipping people into a kind of frenzy where they have 176 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,300 tremendous hostility against the neighbors and against a random 177 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:30,700 people. They see online who they don't 178 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:33,400 even know, except they know that they hate them. 179 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,000 So, The long way of saying that, yes, these wedge issues in this 180 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,400 driving. This wedge between groups of 181 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,900 people went on back, then it goes on now, the specific 182 00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:51,500 adjectives can change, but the basic Dynamics remain the same, 183 00:11:52,100 --> 00:11:54,100 and how are they? Extracting power? 184 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:57,500 Once this wedge is created because you could see a 185 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:00,800 competing Theory, they want everyone unified, so they could 186 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,000 be more or less the monarch of this Society. 187 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,500 If everyone supports It's one policy. 188 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,700 Well, and they represent that policy then they'd have a lot of 189 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:11,600 power. How are they gaining Power by 190 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,100 creating division? Well, a lot of it has to do with 191 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:23,500 trying to dismantle the whole notion of Merit to be the entire 192 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:31,300 notion of Reward for a better job than the other guy is doing. 193 00:12:31,300 --> 00:12:35,300 Because that's also something that Communists took always 194 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:39,400 wanted to try to do and succeed in many cases. 195 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:47,300 But if you stop looking at a person and individual success at 196 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:51,600 a job, or at a skill and instead you simply start classifying 197 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,200 them as your you're automatically worse. 198 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:58,300 Yes, because this is your skin color. 199 00:12:58,700 --> 00:13:01,600 You don't get the job because this is your skin color. 200 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:07,300 Once, once you stop, looking at who's doing a good job and stop 201 00:13:07,300 --> 00:13:11,100 rewarding them for doing a good job and instead start penalizing 202 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:14,900 them more rewarding than based on genetic features to thing. 203 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:19,800 Born with that's a way of taking down. 204 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,900 Any, what Jefferson would have called that the natural 205 00:13:22,900 --> 00:13:29,300 aristocracy, the people who just wise to With a to a task and do 206 00:13:29,300 --> 00:13:32,100 it. Well societies, always depended. 207 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,100 On those people, you can go back to. 208 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:38,600 I'm sure this goes back before. Even the first records were 209 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,800 recorded the first. The first language was ever put 210 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,600 to parchment or carved into stone. 211 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,100 There's always that person who just figured out how to do 212 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:49,800 something and could do it a little better. 213 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,600 Maybe put a little more thought into it. 214 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,300 Maybe they have a little more whether we're talking about 215 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:57,700 construction, or agriculture, or Hunting or anything. 216 00:13:58,300 --> 00:14:02,500 There's always that. That one more several people who 217 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:06,300 just start doing it better other people learn from them. 218 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:10,000 And but there's also going to be those people who are going to be 219 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,500 somewhat jealous. You can imagine in caveman 220 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:17,700 times. That look at fag, all the ladies 221 00:14:17,700 --> 00:14:21,600 like fag because he built that new spear. 222 00:14:21,700 --> 00:14:25,500 Oh he invented that damn Spear and now he's killing all the 223 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:28,200 animals. Fashioning, all these ladies in. 224 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,200 Fur coats. I hate that bag. 225 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,000 You know what? Fags got a big nose and I think 226 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,900 people would take no shit. They're, they're up to something 227 00:14:37,900 --> 00:14:39,600 that there's a we have to start to. 228 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:46,300 We can't let the big nose people have say over us and they 229 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,200 immediately, you get this tiered Society because some people are 230 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,100 jealous of the people who do it. Who do it better. 231 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,600 That's a that's a part of human nature. 232 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,400 Is one of the things. Is that communism was always 233 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:03,100 good at doing was harnessing the most base and ugly parts of 234 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:07,400 human nature that we all have inside of us somewhere. 235 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,800 We've all had moments of jealousy and envy. 236 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,800 We've all had moments of self-pity where we don't get 237 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,800 something that we think we deserved. 238 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,700 And so we want to lash out at someone, want to blame someone. 239 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,800 So the leftist is very good at harnessing that And again, in a 240 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,600 roundabout way to answer your question, when you start to pull 241 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,500 down the people at the top who are doing well, and who are 242 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:38,200 skilled at doing things, then skill loses. 243 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:44,300 Its meaning. It's like the whole racial whop 244 00:15:44,300 --> 00:15:47,500 nonsense that you see if they put into the math and science 245 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:50,300 these days. We're no longer about solving 246 00:15:50,300 --> 00:15:53,800 the equation. It's no longer about coming up 247 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,100 with a solid study, that could be peer reviewed. 248 00:15:56,300 --> 00:16:00,700 You'd instead it simply about equity and giving an equal voice 249 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:04,700 to everybody. I mean the story Harrison 250 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:08,200 Bergeron went into this how many decades ago? 251 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:11,800 I mean, there there were, there were prescient authors, who 252 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,200 foresaw? Exactly something like this 253 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:21,200 happening, and as in Harrison Bergeron, once skill no longer 254 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:26,000 matters, there's no difference between a skilled ballet dancer. 255 00:16:26,300 --> 00:16:29,800 For a fat guy gets flopping, around on stage. 256 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:36,600 It becomes easier to control Society, because the what we 257 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,300 have normally gone by in the past, which is who can do 258 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:41,700 something. Well, no longer means anything. 259 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:47,000 And once you can stock cabinet, your company, whatever ones, who 260 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,500 can stop them with weak-minded people who are not being judged 261 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:55,000 on unskilled people who basically couldn't get that job 262 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:57,200 on their own. They were Lying on you, you gave 263 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,800 it to them. You can take it away as well, 264 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,800 because they're not getting anything on skill. 265 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,500 A skilled worker always has a bargaining chip. 266 00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:09,900 The skilled worker can always say to their boss. 267 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:13,300 Okay, I think I deserve a raise and if you feel you don't want 268 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:15,400 to give me a raise. Well, there are a hundred other 269 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:21,200 companies that would pay to have me in their employee. 270 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,099 So skilled workers, always have that back door that exits. 271 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,500 Don't like where they are at present, but if you're just 272 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:32,100 bringing in unskilled People based on their race based on 273 00:17:32,108 --> 00:17:37,600 gender based on whatever they're relying on, you like a baby to 274 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:42,100 its Mama because they are baby can survive without Mommy. 275 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:44,600 Can't put a baby out in the street and tell us 276 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:47,000 six-month-old. Go feed yourself. 277 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:52,600 Do the same with workers who are or politicians cabinet members. 278 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,800 I guess they can't members of administration when they're 279 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,800 brought on for reasons other than Than skill, they become 280 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:02,100 especially reliant on the person who brought them in and 281 00:18:02,100 --> 00:18:07,100 therefore, they're more pliable and easier to use and 282 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:10,300 manipulate. I love that term, natural 283 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:13,300 aristocracy. That was first introduced to me 284 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,200 as the iron law of oligarchy James. 285 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,800 Burnham writes about this where he says, okay. 286 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,500 Imagine you're not the bhujbal Z, but you're the workers and 287 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:25,800 you form a union. Well, not everyone wants to go 288 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,100 to the You'd meeting only some people do, who does the talking 289 00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:30,800 at that. Union meeting people who are 290 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,300 good speakers, who gets their, who gets their point, across in 291 00:18:35,300 --> 00:18:38,700 such an effective way that they get to pick the rules that the 292 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:43,900 union goes by well like 0.001 percent of people in the union. 293 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,800 So this iron law of oligarchy always exists. 294 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:50,400 So, this means that under any society, communism fascism, 295 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:55,200 socialism primitivism, anything that the left will be able to 296 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,100 point at this in equality, because it always exists, and 297 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:01,000 they never run out of these excuses because it really is an 298 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,500 iron law. I love that term, natural 299 00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:04,800 aristocracy. Yeah. 300 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,000 Absolutely. The other book you recommend is 301 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,700 treason by Ann Coulter. There is so much in this book. 302 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,300 I think we're going to have to just stick to the first page. 303 00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:17,700 She says, liberals have a gift for striking, a position on the 304 00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:20,800 side of trees and you could be talking about Scrabble and they 305 00:19:20,808 --> 00:19:24,400 would instantly leap to the anti-American position. 306 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:27,900 She goes on to talk about the Obsession with the crimes of the 307 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:30,800 West and their Russo. Ian respect for Savages, all 308 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,200 flow from this subversive goal, liberals invented, the myth of 309 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,400 McCarthyism to delegitimize questions about their own 310 00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:41,100 patriotism. There are so much in there. 311 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,700 Why is the left? So obsessed with the crimes of 312 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:47,200 the West which while bad are in no way unique to the West. 313 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,200 Well, there was a reason that at that event that an and I did 314 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,100 together. There's a reason that I 315 00:19:55,100 --> 00:20:01,400 mentioned the Soviet impact on society book and treason side by 316 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,000 side. Because in a way what I like 317 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,200 about them both is very similar the same way that the Soviet 318 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,200 impact on society. All right. 319 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,600 It's a good primer for why? A lot of Germans were not 320 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,700 paranoid about Soviet expansionism. 321 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,100 Well, treason is a great book to read to learn that. 322 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:24,900 The people concerned about Soviet infiltration in the 323 00:20:24,900 --> 00:20:29,100 post-world war, two era. We're also not being paranoid 324 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,000 McCarthy, but specifically the house on American Activities 325 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:39,300 Committee whether one approves of their methods for not. 326 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,900 But, It is a simple truth that and presents tons of facts for 327 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,700 it's a simple truth of the Soviets. 328 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:53,600 Absolutely did have people crawling in our institutions and 329 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:59,200 they had been doing that since the twenties and so it's become 330 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:04,700 a myth. That there were no Soviet agents 331 00:21:04,700 --> 00:21:09,700 in American society that then it was always just some dumb. 332 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:14,200 I put his name on a piece of paper in 1931 and didn't even 333 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,300 know what it was about. Oh, I joined the Communist 334 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:17,600 party. Oh my gosh. 335 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,800 I, I was just trying to impress it check. 336 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,300 But in fact, we know, for example, that the Soviets tried 337 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:29,100 to take over the Writers Guild of America in the 30s. 338 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:33,400 They attempted to infiltrate quite a few unions. 339 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,700 They were in our intelligence apparatus the soul. 340 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:42,800 VX. Put a lot of stock in 341 00:21:43,100 --> 00:21:47,600 infiltration and we know where, after the fall of the Soviet 342 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,900 Union and the release of records and information. 343 00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:55,000 We know that that the Alger Hiss wants indeed as Phi. 344 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:00,300 We know that the rosenbergs were certainly guilty, the husband 345 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:03,100 especially there. There's always going to be a 346 00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:05,200 certain debate about to what extent Ethel. 347 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,000 Rosenberg was the second in command, or whether there were, 348 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,500 there were someone Or some kind of sold out Ethel to save their 349 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:16,300 own skin, but all the same we do the rosenbergs were guilty. 350 00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:18,000 We know that I was counter, hits was guilty. 351 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:22,400 We know that Whittaker Chambers, a massive a man, but he was 352 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,800 right. Sometimes you can be a fat 353 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,800 drunken drunkard smoking mess of a man and you can still be 354 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:34,200 right. So that's the Brilliance of 355 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,900 Anne's book there and that's why it complements the Soviet impact 356 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:44,300 on society because it both books are kind of about how what 357 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,300 deliver roll establishment with the left is Two Steps From the 358 00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:51,700 media. What they tell us about how all 359 00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:54,800 these people were paranoid. Hitler was paranoid about 360 00:22:54,800 --> 00:23:00,100 communism and McCarthy and who act they were paranoid about 361 00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:05,000 infiltration. Again, it's not a not to 362 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,300 support. Hitler's methods. 363 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,100 Certainly and it's not necessarily to support who 364 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:09,700 Akram? The car. 365 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,600 These method. But they were not paranoid. 366 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:18,100 There was absolutely stuff going on with Soviet infiltration and 367 00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:24,600 they decided to take it on again their method good or bad, but 368 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:30,400 they, at least decided to take it on and which is kind of 369 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:36,800 inevitable, especially considering the devastation that 370 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,700 some of this infiltration almost caused. 371 00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:45,400 One of the best examples being the morgenthau plan for post-war 372 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:52,100 Germany, which was influenced and to some extent ghosts, 373 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:55,800 authored to a great extent by a guy named Harry, Dexter white, 374 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:02,200 who was a proven, who be a Soviet agent, and it's largely 375 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:07,300 thought. That white manipulated Morgan's 376 00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:09,700 a more concise hated the Germans. 377 00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:15,900 It was a pathological, hatred. I don't want to judge Man Too 378 00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:18,100 harshly. He was Jewish, of course, and 379 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,600 many Jews had a hatred of the Nazis. 380 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,000 That is not undeserved, but it's generally believed that Harry 381 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:32,900 Dexter white used Morgan saws, emotional visceral, hatred. 382 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,700 Eight of the Germans to help construct a post-war plan. 383 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,500 So brutal. So horrific in the way it was 384 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:46,300 going to treat the German that the idea was that would 385 00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:52,700 eventually drive all the Germans in the western Zone to accept 386 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:59,100 Soviet rule as a, as a relief from what the morgenthau plan 387 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:04,900 was doing to them, thankfully Truman and That ending the 388 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:09,000 morgenthau plan before could ever come to that and replacing 389 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,800 it with the Marshall Plan, but that's just one example of how 390 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,700 Soviet infiltrators in that era were really trying to create a 391 00:25:18,708 --> 00:25:21,700 tremendous amount of misery for their own benefit. 392 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,000 And these are all things that I recommend both books, of course, 393 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:31,100 treason, you can buy on Amazon easily because it's still in 394 00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:32,900 print and you can get it very recent. 395 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,100 He tries to copy the other books, a little harder to find, 396 00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:39,900 but I recommend your viewers to try to hunt down both books. 397 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:44,400 When you talk about differences between right and left, I was 398 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,300 always raised to believe the left cares about the poor, the 399 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:50,700 right cares about the rich and then as I got older it was well 400 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:53,700 the right cares about foreign policy, the left cares about 401 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,600 domestic policy. It would so difficult to really 402 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:02,100 nail down the actual difference between these two between these 403 00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:03,800 two groups. What would you say is the 404 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,100 defining characteristic that separates left from right? 405 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,200 What we seeing a little bit of I don't want to Realignment these 406 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:19,300 days, but what we're seeing there are still old school, FDR 407 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,100 leftists. They're older. 408 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,000 Some of them are much older. Some of them are hippies, if 409 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,100 people of the hippie generation who are still trying to hold 410 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:38,100 fast to those old views, helping the worker, helping the Working, 411 00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:43,500 Man, but But to get back to what you were saying about wedge 412 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:45,800 issues. As a prime example of that. 413 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:53,400 The left was always always presented itself as the place 414 00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:59,100 for women for feminism. The, these we are the people who 415 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:06,000 fight for the rights of women equal pay the ER, a pro-choice. 416 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:11,300 We are there for you women. We're against the Key work in 417 00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:17,400 the chauvinists. Well, now, Feminism is actually 418 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,900 starting to drift a bit right word because the left has become 419 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:27,000 obsessed with transgenderism. The left has become obsessed 420 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,600 with the notion that biological women, don't exist that that 421 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,600 none of its biological that the women at woman is a social 422 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,500 construct and that ain't a transgender man. 423 00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:42,600 It's the same as a woman that is driving some feminists away from 424 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,300 the left. And the right is kind of 425 00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:50,200 starting to welcome them in saying, well, we have our, we 426 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,300 certainly have our disagreements. 427 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,700 But we, if we agree on the reality of biological sex and 428 00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:01,100 that men can't get pregnant in the men can't menstruate. 429 00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:05,900 And then, I mean, I I personally believe in every human beings, 430 00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:06,900 right? To live any way. 431 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:11,200 They wanted a somebody wants to put on a wig and and wear a bra. 432 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,600 And a man wants to put on a wig and wear a bra and call himself. 433 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,600 Elf anything. God bless it. 434 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,900 Consenting adults, should be able to do anything. 435 00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:25,200 They want to, but there are attacks against basic biology 436 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:29,100 that we're all. Now, being expected to agree 437 00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:31,500 with whether we agree with them or not. 438 00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:34,500 It's a matter of Consciousness point, because people who 439 00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:39,200 genuinely Shibley don't, don't believe that a guy in a way gets 440 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,900 an actual woman are being told, you can't think that anymore. 441 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,700 So, We're seeing a witch right there between the that the left 442 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,300 and feminism. That's an old old Coalition 443 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:57,800 there that's being broken up and it's being broken up, pretty 444 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,400 recently. I mean, this is stuff that's 445 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,800 only come up in the last decade. In any major way. 446 00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:07,700 The left used to be the first ones fighting for women's sports 447 00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:14,500 for equality, for women, sports, for, for women, on College. 448 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,300 College campuses and high schools being able to have their 449 00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:20,200 own sport that get the exact same. 450 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,500 Funding, the exact same support from the administration and the 451 00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:29,600 exacting facilities. And now that very left. 452 00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:34,200 They're the ones who are advocating, biological males 453 00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:38,500 competing against women and women's sports. 454 00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:43,400 So that's a realignment Racine. We're another realignment we're 455 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,500 seeing Is the left always used to Pride itself on being anti 456 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:51,500 Corporation? We are anti Corporate America. 457 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:57,300 We're for unions, and we're for workers and corporations are bad 458 00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:01,900 and and that goes far, far back. Again. 459 00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:07,100 That's a long-standing thing. But now that the left has turned 460 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,800 so strongly against Free Speech. The left has realized that their 461 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,300 salvation. As sensors is in the private 462 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:21,000 sector private sector where the First Amendment doesn't really 463 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:26,000 apply and where Viewpoint discrimination is completely 464 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:31,000 legal. So you now have this weird 465 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,300 Specter of DieHard leftist supporting the corporations in 466 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:40,800 the Billionaire's supporting Jeff Bezos running the 467 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,000 Washington Post and supporting Jack Dorsey when he was running. 468 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:51,700 Twitter and supporting Zuckerberg, because it is 469 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,100 certain point when the left turned against Free Speech. 470 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,400 The left also realized that government has to work under 471 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,700 certain constraints, it government cannot violate First 472 00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:08,800 Amendment rights and the government cannot engage in 473 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,500 blank Viewpoint discrimination. Where is the private sector can. 474 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:15,900 So that's a no. Another realignment where the 475 00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:21,300 left now more and more on the side of corporate America. 476 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,300 And especially because Corporate America has been playing to the 477 00:31:24,308 --> 00:31:28,900 left about the transgender issue about race about, things like 478 00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,800 that. And then you have the right kind 479 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,900 of some people on the right, trying to revive the populism of 480 00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:40,100 old the including the economic populist of the anti-corporate 481 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,900 crucified, don't crucify man on a cross of gold, kind of, kind 482 00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:47,400 of, The populism fire and brimstone type of stuff. 483 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,600 So we're seeing these realignment. 484 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,900 That really have only been in hyperdrive for the last ten 485 00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:56,300 years. I don't know where it's all 486 00:31:56,300 --> 00:32:00,900 going, but it certainly is very it's certainly very interesting. 487 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:07,300 You're also seeing it in terms of race when I was in elementary 488 00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,200 school, the 1970s. I was in high school in the 489 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,000 early 1980s. The left's message. 490 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,500 Was uniform. It was always don't see race be 491 00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,000 non-racing. Don't look at that man. 492 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,000 As a black man. Don't look at that. 493 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,600 And as a nation, don't look at that, man. 494 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,100 It's a white pen. Don't see race. 495 00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:34,400 The left has completely reversed itself on that. 496 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,900 Very specifically, they say now, you must see raise. 497 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,000 If you don't see race, you're a racist, you have to respond to 498 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,100 that. Black man. 499 00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,400 And as a black man, you have to respond to that white man. 500 00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:50,900 As a white man. You can't get respond to them as 501 00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:54,800 human beings. You have to acknowledge race in 502 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,000 all things that's allowed the right, especially the mainstream 503 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,800 right of the bench. Pierrot, right? 504 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,400 Dennis Prager, right? The GOP establishment, right? 505 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,100 And to allow them to start to co-opt but don't see race 506 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:11,300 things. So now you have mainstream 507 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,100 conservatives or the one saying I don't Don't see race. 508 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,600 I see American waved the flag and you have left is saying no 509 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:25,000 racism, most important thing that any of us have. 510 00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:28,900 So you've got to see it. You've got to respond to it and 511 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,100 everything in your life, for the books. 512 00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:34,500 You read the music. You listen to Jeff to filter 513 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:42,300 through the prism of race. Again, a realignment, something, 514 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,500 all of these things would have been very If you were to go back 515 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,700 to the 70s, when the left was still empty Corporation, 516 00:33:50,700 --> 00:34:00,900 pro-worker pro-feminist and Pro free speech, and and don't see 517 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:04,700 race. So I think a hippie, dude, a 518 00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:10,100 pluck, a hippie from a college campus in 1969 and 1970. 519 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:14,100 Just bring them here to this present without them seeing any 520 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,500 a of the lead up to it. They wouldn't know what the 521 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:20,000 hell's going on. It would be the test of 522 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,600 character is would be completely different and I don't think 523 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,900 they'd be unable to understand a damn thing. 524 00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:33,500 It's the complete realignment and I think in the future it 525 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:39,400 will be difficult to nail down for people in the future will be 526 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,400 difficult to nail down who was left in, who was right. 527 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,800 Exactly an example. I give sometimes I'll encounter 528 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,300 people who try to put today's labels on the founding fathers. 529 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,900 Well, that's a difficult thing to do because like, what is, 530 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,500 what is John Adams on the one hand, John Adams was very anti 531 00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:02,400 slavery. On the other hand. 532 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,900 He was very much in New England Puritan in terms of a lot of his 533 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:10,700 views and his views on monarchy and his views on. 534 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:17,300 If you can't put a modern day. A left-wing or right-wing label 535 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,000 on a man, like John Adams because situation in the 536 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,800 specifics were so different back then. 537 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,000 I think that's how it's going to be some years from now decades. 538 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,800 From now people going to look back on where we are right now 539 00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:34,700 and they're not going to know what would we who's left is 540 00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:36,700 right. That guy saying this, but that 541 00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:39,000 sounds more like a left-wing point, but he's right wing. 542 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,400 This guy who says he's left wing, you saying this thing, but 543 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,400 it sounds like more something like right wing the room saying 544 00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:45,900 I think Think very scrambled right now. 545 00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:49,700 And it, that's one of the reasons you're seeing some very 546 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,500 abrupt changes in certain well-known figures of one. 547 00:35:55,500 --> 00:36:00,500 Example, comes Mike Bill Maher. Bill Maher, all during the 548 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,800 President Bush George w--. Bush years. 549 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,300 Bill Maher was very predictable. I mean, you knew where he stood 550 00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:12,200 on everything and through the Obama years, Mar remained 551 00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:17,500 predictable. It started out as kind of a semi 552 00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:20,900 right-leaning libertarian. I mean, in his early days in the 553 00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:24,900 days of my kids Politically Incorrect show, but then after 554 00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:29,300 9/11, he had pretty much got over to the left quite a bit. 555 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:36,100 And, and now he's sort of coming back to the right. 556 00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:41,300 He's responding to what he sees as the left going nuts. 557 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,200 And the left is Getting to alienate him more and more. 558 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,400 And you see it more and more every week and the left has 559 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,500 become so unforgiving of Heretics. 560 00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:57,300 They're only making it worse for themselves because the more they 561 00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:00,200 push the guy like Bill Maher away. 562 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,200 The more he's going to kind of go back to the sort of 563 00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:06,700 right-leaning libertarian. He was when he first started 564 00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:12,400 doing political comedy. So the realignment is not just 565 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,500 among groups, but also, So individuals who are in their own 566 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:23,300 way, beginning to respond, to traditional roles of what is 567 00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:23,900 left in. What? 568 00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:27,100 It's right. Become in switch it up with each 569 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,900 other and becoming things that you couldn't recognize. 570 00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:33,700 I don't know where it's all heading. 571 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,700 I try not to Gnostic Aid because you do that. 572 00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:42,400 You could look like a fool if you're wrong, so I don't know 573 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,900 where it's all happening, but I do know this. 574 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,100 Bendis amount of confusion right now. 575 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,200 And I do think people in the future 20 years, 30 years from. 576 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,600 Now, we'll look back and say this was a very confusing time 577 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,700 to try to figure out who fits where on the Spectrum. 578 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,500 Do you have a general theory as to why they push the privilege 579 00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,600 narrative saying some people are in a privileged class. 580 00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:10,200 They almost just declare it and then move on. 581 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,000 It's like there's not even a follow-up. 582 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,700 When I feel like the follow-up is hey where the Occupy Wall 583 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,800 Street people you have privilege and we're here to take stuff. 584 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,400 We're just going to push this privilege a little longer once 585 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,600 everyone's recognizes it then we'll be justified in doing the 586 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,500 Looting. We've always planned on doing. 587 00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:29,600 You have a general theory as to why they push the privilege now. 588 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:36,900 That's why I think it's it's necessary for them in order to 589 00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:45,500 make white people. Especially feel like they they 590 00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:51,600 owe like there by virtue of their skin color, that they've 591 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:57,400 been given all of this stuff. I think as a strategy it's 592 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,300 failing. I think it's exactly that white 593 00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:05,000 privilege strategy. That is pushing the Rust Belt 594 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,300 states. Well, I think it's one of the 595 00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:12,100 reasons the Rust Belt states went for Trump in 2016. 596 00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:15,700 And I don't think it's a good long-term strategy for the left 597 00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:20,500 to use in in those States. But it I think it's important 598 00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:25,300 that the privilege thing was you so often race-based whites are 599 00:39:25,308 --> 00:39:28,400 accused of being privileged but then dark-skinned blacks accused 600 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,500 light-skinned black. Of being privileged Black's 601 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:36,600 often accuse, Hispanics of being privileged because they say, 602 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,100 well, Hispanic can be white if they want to. 603 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:52,500 So the privilege thing is just a way another way to To going back 604 00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:56,000 to what I said a while ago. Did you Short Circuit the whole 605 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,400 notion of Merit and skill? Because if you're made to feel 606 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,000 like you have what you have, not because of what you did, how 607 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,600 smart you are, how capable you are, but because of some inborn 608 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,000 privilege and the government can use that, of course, look at, 609 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:22,100 you know, at Obama Which kind of well known for never apologizing 610 00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:25,300 to one of the few things. He ever apologize for because 611 00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:28,100 generally he's the kind of man who would never admit a mistake, 612 00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:32,200 but he did apologize for the you didn't build that. 613 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,800 Comment. I don't know if you recall that 614 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,400 but Obama was talking about how if you're a small businessman, 615 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,300 you build a visit Even build that the roads built Ed. 616 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:47,300 And it did the government, the taxpayer money being spent by 617 00:40:47,308 --> 00:40:52,800 the government building that backfired so badly on Obama. 618 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,700 That's for one of the very few times in his presidency. 619 00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,400 He actually said, I regret saying that Elizabeth Warren 620 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,900 though, picked that up and kind of ran on that. 621 00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:08,400 In 2020, that that she loves that way of speaking. 622 00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:12,500 But again, it's a way of making people who have accomplished 623 00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:17,100 something feel like they didn't actually accomplish it today, 624 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:20,300 either. Oh, their skin color or they owe 625 00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:23,400 the government for their success. 626 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,000 They owe everything except themselves in their, their mind, 627 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,600 and their stick-to-itiveness, and their abilities. 628 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:37,300 They Well, everything but that so it's just another way of 629 00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:41,600 making trying to wear down the skilled people into feeling that 630 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:48,000 they owe everybody for their success, but I do think that 631 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,700 it's a losing strategy in the long run. 632 00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:53,400 I mean, I if it was a bad enough strategy to make Obama 633 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,700 apologize. Which is a once in a neon kind 634 00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:01,900 of thing. Then I think it generally is a 635 00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:06,100 flawed strategy that and we're going to see what happens next 636 00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:09,000 year. In terms of the Democratic 637 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,100 primary. We're going to see, there are a 638 00:42:12,107 --> 00:42:14,500 lot of people are unhappy with Kamala Harris. 639 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,600 There's a small chance, maybe Biden might, not run. 640 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,900 I'm not making any, I'm not calling that at all. 641 00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:22,700 But you say it's can't Elizabeth Warren. 642 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,700 Really wants to be there in the mix. 643 00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:29,100 And so Going to see if, if she wants to bring back that whole 644 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:31,700 you didn't build that thing. Like she tried to three years 645 00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:34,400 ago. We'll see if that works. 646 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,100 But I think it's a poor strategy. 647 00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:40,800 The left is a little too in love these days with poor strategy 648 00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:42,800 there. There. 649 00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:48,900 It's very funny to me, that it's only been less than two years 650 00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:53,200 since the defund. The police thing became the rage 651 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,300 on the left, and now you Not find a single Democrat 652 00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:58,500 politician who admits they ever said. 653 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,500 They there on tape saying it a hundred times over and they will 654 00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:08,300 deny it now for the rest of their lives. 655 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,500 And my point was that simply being that I think the Democrats 656 00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:18,800 are pursuing a whole bunch of strategies that are not good for 657 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,200 them in the long run. I think they're, they a lot of 658 00:43:23,207 --> 00:43:25,700 these things. They're getting very Add 659 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,900 internal advice. They were obviously people in 660 00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:35,200 June 2020 who were telling them. Oh, you got a support to fund 661 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,000 the police. This is the wave of the future. 662 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,200 This is absolutely the wave of the future. 663 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:45,200 And a lot of times, people get bad advice and they don't get 664 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,900 rid of the people who gave them the bad advice. 665 00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:50,600 Now, that's just true in the entertainment industry as it is 666 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,000 in politics. A lot of times our advisors. 667 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,200 Let us down. And yet we find it difficult to 668 00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:02,600 part ways with them and it's true for the GOP as well. 669 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,900 Obviously, and I right about that, a lot of my comment. 670 00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:09,300 A lot of my column is actually dedicated critiquing the right 671 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:16,400 in part because I If the right is not functioning in a healthy 672 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,000 way, we're really do. We have to have some some 673 00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:25,300 opposing Force against the left. So I do find myself sometimes 674 00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:27,700 critiquing the right even more than the left. 675 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,000 But but the left especially is following the whole bunch of 676 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,400 policies that in time. They themselves are going to 677 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,600 realize. They're not necessarily its Mark 678 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,400 things to be doing. Not only are they no longer 679 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,500 mentioning. The defund the police, but when 680 00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:49,600 ALC and the squad had a chance to vote to lessen police 681 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:55,200 funding, they voted to increase it because of the January 6th 682 00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:58,600 protest that took place. So they had a chance to vote 683 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,200 against an increase in funding. They voted for it. 684 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,000 They use their leverage. And when asked about this ALC 685 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,600 pulled that the classic move, I'm really glad you asked me 686 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,800 about this. That's how you know that they're 687 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:10,800 terrified. She wasn't. 688 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,800 Yeah, that's you go. I'm really glad you asked me. 689 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,200 Because it's actually had to deal with a lot of Pensions that 690 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,000 were promised to police officer. So it's really complicated. 691 00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:24,100 So they voted to increase the funding once they got the shot. 692 00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:30,000 It's just unbelievable. When it comes to the concept of 693 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,800 narratives, prevailing interpretations of past events. 694 00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:36,000 This is where the left holds a lot of power. 695 00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:40,200 The New Deal is why we need a big government domestically when 696 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,400 it comes to the Civil War and the Second world war, we do have 697 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,700 to have interventionist policies, the left supports 698 00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:52,200 going into Syria. They supported a lot of arms 699 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,900 transfers into Ukraine. So when it comes to the concept 700 00:45:55,900 --> 00:46:00,400 of historical, narratives, do you think those really do hold a 701 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,900 lot of power or are they more or less? 702 00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:06,200 Just things that some academics discuss that don't really affect 703 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,300 the modern day. Well, I think the I think they 704 00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:14,400 certainly do have an effect and I Will kind of water go out on a 705 00:46:14,408 --> 00:46:18,300 little bit of a limb here. Slightly risky to say this, but 706 00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:22,000 I think one of the reasons that the left is stronger when it 707 00:46:22,008 --> 00:46:27,300 comes to defining or redefining a historical narrative or even 708 00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:31,200 depressed. Day narrative is the presence of 709 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,800 Jewish, folks both so heavily on the left and so heavily in the 710 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,800 entertainment industry. I'm saying this, of course as a 711 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,800 you who have been both in politics and the entertainment. 712 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:49,700 He's so I'm not saying this as an outsider, but use are the 713 00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:55,900 absolute best storytellers that any society has it. 714 00:46:55,900 --> 00:47:01,800 Is why use created Hollywood? And I do this day are still the 715 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,700 dominant force in Hollywood. We are a story telling people 716 00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:11,500 not just to ourselves and that's the big difference because you 717 00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:14,700 can say, well at that. African bush man over there. 718 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,000 Look at how he forms that drum circle every night and they tell 719 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,600 stories. Yeah to themselves with their 720 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,500 clicking noises and they're, they're banging their great 721 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:29,300 storytellers and everyone like Alice Walker and and Toni 722 00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:30,900 Morrison. And the only thought that the 723 00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:34,600 great African Storyteller. Yeah, great storytellers to 724 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,700 their own tribe user great storytellers to the other 725 00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:41,800 tribes. We like to come up with stories 726 00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:49,000 that You guys are interested in and that's one of the one of the 727 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,700 good things about having Hughes on your team because they really 728 00:47:53,700 --> 00:48:02,100 can spin a great yarn and they through this meeting of 729 00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:06,100 political needs and entertainment they can. 730 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,800 Make it least the Young Generation. 731 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,000 They can give the Young Generation a whole different 732 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,500 understanding of History. Even recent history and 733 00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:24,800 certainly history long time ago. And I think it does stick. 734 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:31,000 I'm concerned for the current Young Generation because I think 735 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,500 they have been exposed to an inordinate amount of of 736 00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:39,000 propaganda and slanted and Biased information about 737 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:45,200 America's history, even about world history and some of these 738 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,800 people they're going to learn on their own. 739 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,400 They're going to learn other other points. 740 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,200 If you would lot of them. A lot of them won't. 741 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:58,200 And it seems like the left has since Trump got into office. 742 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,700 The left has really been very strong in this message to their 743 00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:07,900 young people like you're supposed to be Greet your 744 00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:11,300 parents at Thanksgiving dinner. Like, oh, it's Thanksgiving 745 00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:13,800 time. Time to go home to your Racist, 746 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:19,900 uncle and your transphobic dad, and your Confederate grandma. 747 00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:24,900 And, you know, just you hate these people and you don't have 748 00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:27,500 to like him. And that's, yet again. 749 00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:33,400 I wedge issue wedge between this young person and their parents 750 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,500 or grandparents, but the young people are being Being said a 751 00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:45,000 great deal of of propaganda that they get from both fiction and 752 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,900 nonfiction media. And I do believe it in the long 753 00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:52,800 run. It can make a definite 754 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,300 difference in how people use are formed. 755 00:49:57,300 --> 00:50:02,500 I mean, especially When when you look at some of what's being 756 00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:07,600 taught in public schools, these days that certainly colors young 757 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:14,200 people's views of race relations in this country and it whether 758 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,700 you're black or white or whatever. 759 00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:18,100 In between. A lot of kids are coming out at 760 00:50:18,107 --> 00:50:21,600 elementary school. These these days with an idea 761 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:27,500 that America is hopeless and racist and I and I get nothing 762 00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:31,600 but genocide. A history of genocide and 763 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:37,900 brutality, of course, that's going to have a long-term impact 764 00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:44,600 on that generation. But Public Schools, not my 765 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,200 favorite thing in the world anyway, and I would always be 766 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:53,500 the first one to recommend homeschooling or the very least 767 00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:57,700 Charter Schools or something like that, but I didn't, I went 768 00:50:57,700 --> 00:51:03,100 to the LA Public Schools. Up here, my whole my whole time 769 00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:06,300 in school within the l.a. Public schools had one, good 770 00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:09,400 teacher, 12 years. I had one good teacher. 771 00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:11,900 That's probably the only time I ever learned anything. 772 00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:16,700 Most of the time, I was just screwing around whenever I 773 00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:20,200 learned, I learned here at home on my own. 774 00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:24,200 So but, you know, obviously, people are always going to, 775 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,500 there's always going to be people sitting there kids to 776 00:51:26,508 --> 00:51:29,000 public school and I do think it poses a threat. 777 00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:35,300 The Integrity, the cohesiveness of the country because the 778 00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:40,600 propaganda is very, very strong. I'm in favor people in school 779 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,100 learning about everything. But learning about everything, 780 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:51,100 especially history, learning it from a non propagandistic. 781 00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:55,800 Point if you learn about saving, learn, all the evils about 782 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,800 slavery. Learn why slavery was happening. 783 00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:02,600 Look at all sides of the issue, which doesn't mean advocating 784 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:07,000 all sides of these two very big misunderstanding. 785 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,200 A lot of people have these days when you say you've got it in 786 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,400 order to learn about something, you have to look at all sides of 787 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,100 it. Sometimes people fishing on the 788 00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:18,300 left mistake that for meaning. Oh, so you're going to say the 789 00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:21,500 slave owners were, right. I'm not saying that anyone's 790 00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:23,300 right? But if you're going to 791 00:52:23,308 --> 00:52:27,100 understand why anything happen, you have to understand the why 792 00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:28,900 it was happening. Why the people doing it? 793 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,500 We're doing it. The city, same thing teaching 794 00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:36,700 about World War, Two history, and teaching about the history 795 00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:38,400 of the entire history. The third rank. 796 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,800 To go into why it was happening, which is not the same as saying 797 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,300 you agree with it that it was happening. 798 00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:49,000 But you don't you agree with what people are doing, but you 799 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,300 still have to understand basic human motivation. 800 00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:54,400 Otherwise history simply becomes the kind of simple-minded 801 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,600 propaganda that we're being taught that our kids are being 802 00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:03,600 taught today, which is this man bad, this man, good good versus 803 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:10,300 evil and it's an insult to the field and I say that it is It's 804 00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:11,600 refill. The very long time and it's a 805 00:53:11,607 --> 00:53:14,700 tremendous in itself until to the field to leave out all of 806 00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:19,300 the nuances. Excellent point and not only is 807 00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:21,800 it immoral but it does end up backfiring. 808 00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:25,900 For example, when I went to Hebrew school till I was 13. 809 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,900 I was always told that May 15th, 1948 was the day that the UN 810 00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:34,900 voted for a bunch of Jews in this place called Israel to just 811 00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:38,000 have a government. I wasn't told about nakba day. 812 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:44,800 The violent removal of 750,000 Palestinians and the mass 813 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,000 murdering that took place. Years afterwards, I wasn't told 814 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,500 about the Six-Day War wasn't told about, you know, the 815 00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:53,800 economy massacre at the UN building. 816 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,400 So I felt so tricked after all this time after thinking America 817 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,200 or invented poverty, in the 1800's with the Industrial 818 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,700 Revolution. Jefferson's generation invented 819 00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:09,000 slavery. I literally took those as more 820 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,600 or less truth statements because they were just said to me in 821 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,300 such a confident way and I was a progressive for so long. 822 00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:19,700 Ang and it just backfired. So I mean not only is it the 823 00:54:19,707 --> 00:54:22,300 right thing to do? Do it for yourself, I mean, 824 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,000 another example of how stories can get so caught up with 825 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,700 people. Debra Messing said that you are 826 00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:33,400 a holocaust denier. However on page 295 of your 827 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,300 book, you have appendix a what can people learn from appendix a 828 00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:43,700 of Republican party animal. Well, there's Calling me denier, 829 00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:48,900 which people still do not. Not as many these days, but they 830 00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:50,300 still do. I mean the ignorant people, the 831 00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:52,400 only people who call me a denier, the people who've never 832 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,600 actually read my book and Debra Messing ever read my book to 833 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,500 guess wanted to ban it. There. 834 00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:02,600 It didn't it didn't either and there are there are Holocaust 835 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,200 deniers. And in fact, I had to bait them 836 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,700 in my videos all the time all the time. 837 00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:17,200 The the appendix to my book is my historical thesis, which 838 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,400 really if you want to put it in the simplest terms, it's kind of 839 00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:22,900 a little bit straight down the middle. 840 00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:29,100 Both extremes are wrong. In terms of the tug-of-war 841 00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:34,200 between the deniers and the ADL types, the ADL types who say it 842 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,000 was six million and on, and not a person less, and there were 843 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,500 gas chamber. In every building and there was 844 00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:45,000 a complete genocide order. And then you have to deniers who 845 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,300 say there were no gas Chambers anywhere. 846 00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:49,500 At most, it was two hundred thousand two hundred, eighty 847 00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:54,800 thousand who died of typhus and they know use whatever targeted 848 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,500 for killing. Well. 849 00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:59,900 History is not the same as principal. 850 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,900 What I mean by that is if you hold a principle like for 851 00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:08,200 example, one of my principles is I'm a free speech absolutist. 852 00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:11,400 I simply don't believe in. In speech, suppression, whether 853 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,700 you want to call it censorship or whatever. 854 00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:15,900 I don't believe in it. I don't believe that there's 855 00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:18,700 ever any reason to stop someone from speaking. 856 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,300 I don't believe that words kill and I think that a healthy 857 00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:26,500 Society is wanting in which everybody gets to talk. 858 00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:31,400 Okay, that's a principle. There is really for me. 859 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,500 There's no compromise on that because it is a principle and if 860 00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:37,600 you hold the principal you shouldn't compromise on it 861 00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:41,200 history. On the other hand is often times 862 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,000 compromised, in terms of both sides, tend to be a little 863 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,500 right? And a little wrong when you have 864 00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:51,800 extremes about any historical topic. 865 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,800 Generally, both extremes, have certain things that they get 866 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,300 right in certain things that they don't because of their own 867 00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:01,900 biases. They don't want to face those 868 00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:03,600 things. They don't want to accept those 869 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,300 things. Most of the time, when you look 870 00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:10,300 at any historical and any, especially any controversial or 871 00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:13,600 divisive, historical topic when you look at it, rationally in 872 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,200 the cold light of day and you will see both extremes got a 873 00:57:17,207 --> 00:57:19,700 little right now. The wrong you end up with 874 00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:24,400 something that is generally. Down the middle now down the 875 00:57:24,408 --> 00:57:27,600 middle doesn't, please anybody? And that's that's one of the 876 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,100 reasons that the deniers don't like me, but the ADL also still 877 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:37,700 really doesn't like me because the down the middle thing is not 878 00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:40,000 pleasing. Anybody, my my general figure 879 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,800 for Jewish dead in terms of entirely both from murder and 880 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,700 everything else, during the war is about 3 to 3.5 million, one 881 00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:52,500 has to be vague because we only have it. 882 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:57,700 It census up until April 1945, a sentence of dead Jews. 883 00:57:57,700 --> 00:58:02,600 We know that it's available, 1943 decide, if I said 4543, we 884 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:07,700 know that it's an April 43. There were 2.4 million dead use. 885 00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:11,000 So now we have two in terms of getting from April 43 to April. 886 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:16,500 25 lot of guesswork is it? So that's why I can put the 887 00:58:16,508 --> 00:58:19,700 figure at no lower than 3 million in no higher than 3.5. 888 00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:22,000 Well, that doesn't please anymore the ADL. 889 00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:24,500 It's way too low for them deniers. 890 00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:28,800 It's way too high for them, but it's factually based to the best 891 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,600 of my ability because you have a certain amount of guesswork 892 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:38,100 after that 2.4 million figure some camps like Auschwitz. 893 00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:42,200 I've been wrongly called an extermination camp Auschwitz 894 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,500 with not an extermination camp. Doesn't mean people in die 895 00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:48,100 there. People died there but it's the 896 00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:52,800 difference between a camp that is purposely for killing. 897 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,000 That was a camp like Treblinka Treblinka wants a camp that was 898 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,600 purposely for killing Auschwitz with a labor and civilian 899 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:06,200 internment camp that was in 1942 summer 42 wracked by typhus. 900 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:11,000 Lots of people died and the commandant of Auschwitz began 901 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,500 euthanizing. If he Planted murder would be 902 00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:19,700 another way to put it but began killing inmates. 903 00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:23,700 It is to try to control the typhus epidemic, but the camp 904 00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:27,000 was not designed, the extermination camp and the 905 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,600 renovations. It happened in Auschwitz 1943. 906 00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:34,400 We're actually to make the camp more sanitary because it was a 907 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,300 major Center of labor for the Nazis. 908 00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:39,700 And they didn't want everybody dying because they needed the 909 00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:42,500 labor I-43. The war was not going their way 910 00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:44,500 anymore. They absolutely badly needed 911 00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:46,800 labor. So, again, you end up with a 912 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,300 thesis that wins, you know, friends to Debra Messing to the 913 00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:55,100 ADL. I'm still a denier to deniers. 914 00:59:55,500 --> 01:00:01,800 I'm an ADL plantain, a DLH, and a shell, a gatekeeper, whatever 915 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,900 they want to call me. All I can do, as I do in the 916 01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:10,500 book as I do in the appendix credenza fact, present the 917 01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:14,300 sources, the original document, as best I can. 918 01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:18,500 And Let the cards shake out where they will and if they 919 01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:20,900 shake out in the middle, then they shake out in the middle. 920 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,200 If they had shaken out at either of the extremes, I would say so. 921 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,800 But generally that's not the case of the Holocaust and 922 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,700 generally its justification in with history in general the 923 01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:38,600 again, you take any divisive issue, Civil War. 924 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,000 Well, the Northerners are always going to say that everything 925 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,400 they did was perfect and they didn't do anything bad 926 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,300 Southerners. Going to say the same thing. 927 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,800 It's always going to just kind of come down to the metal. 928 01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:55,600 When it comes to critiquing the national socialists of Germany, 929 01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:58,000 you never shy away. In fact, you would said that 930 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,700 there was a gas chamber program in a place called, not spyler. 931 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,600 I think. Is that how it's pronounced? 932 01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:10,400 Yes, and that's why there was a technically, French pows and 933 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:15,800 Nazi camp for French pows, and I'll sash Lorraine and the screw 934 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,700 have-nots. Wyler can had a gas chamber, 935 01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:25,400 that was built because Was a adopter at the nearby. 936 01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:29,600 Anatomical Institute wanted to collect. 937 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,800 Uh, skulls. He had about 90, something used 938 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,800 sent there from Auschwitz and they were gassed so that their 939 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,100 skulls would not be damaged from bullet wounds. 940 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,700 Well, this is all very document. It is he when the Nazis did 941 01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:49,400 things, they document them and every single document covering 942 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,700 the knots Wyler. Guessing is there they be they 943 01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:57,000 used an SS Pure Gas training room. 944 01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,200 They like the kind of thing police today. 945 01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:02,400 SWAT teams trained in where where you go in there. 946 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,200 They release to Rick tear gas. You got to learn how to put on 947 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,100 your gas mask and exit the room. So they took a room that was 948 01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:13,700 already built for gas, had a ventilation system and they 949 01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:18,200 changed it around so that you can introduce a lethal gas and 950 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,600 they have we have to Transportation or Ders. 951 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,400 The construction orders. We have these, the use arriving 952 01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:29,400 from Auschwitz to the camp. We have them degassed. 953 01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:33,700 We even have the bodies because this freaking Doctor wanted the 954 01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:37,400 scone. Once he got those at 92 dead 955 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,400 use, he lost interest and by the time the war was over two years 956 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,800 later, some of those bodies were still in Cold Storage. 957 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,500 If the anatomical is he hadn't even be flushed but yet he 958 01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:51,800 wanted his He didn't even play with it. 959 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,900 Sculpt typical. Yes, like, a kid. 960 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,600 He asked Rick toy begs for toy. The parents get in the toy and 961 01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,000 he doesn't even take it out of the damn box. 962 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,000 That that is a with. Dr. August Hirt. 963 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,100 What a jerk. He was because all those Jewish 964 01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:09,900 cells and doesn't do a damn thing with them. 965 01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:14,400 And in fact, he killed himself as the Allies were approaching 966 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,700 his anatomical Institute, and he was like, I should have 967 01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:22,800 defleshed those skulls. Al's because now I really don't 968 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,900 have any way to talk my way out of him. 969 01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:30,700 So he shot himself ironically damaging his own skull in the 970 01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:36,800 process and ironic and to a bad man, his own skull ended up 971 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,800 being the one that got damaged. One of my favorite Parts in the 972 01:03:40,808 --> 01:03:46,300 book besides the appendix is hearing a what Michael Shermer 973 01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:48,800 thought was a secret phone call between you two. 974 01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:52,200 You actually recorded it. You've exposed him as a total 975 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:53,800 liar. I thought that was great. 976 01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:55,900 I don't want to go into that because I want people to find 977 01:03:55,900 --> 01:03:58,800 copies of the book or find a PDF and read it for themselves 978 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,100 because it's just so it's so enjoyable. 979 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,100 I really am hoping that maybe sometime this year. 980 01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:07,900 I can announce having a new publisher because I want to 981 01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:10,900 update the book. A lot happened and that book was 982 01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:15,300 written in 2013, published in early 2014. 983 01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:19,500 A lot has happened since then, and I'd love to add a chapter or 984 01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:21,900 two to kind of bring everything up to date. 985 01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:25,700 So I'm hoping that I can maybe be able to announce that before 986 01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:28,500 Year's end at the front of the book. 987 01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:31,400 You quote. Gary Sinise saying, God bless 988 01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:32,700 you. See you at Dick Cheney's? 989 01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:35,300 Did you ever meet Dick Cheney and you have any good stories 990 01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:36,700 about him? Sure. 991 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,900 Oh, well, that was during my period when I was known. 992 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:43,900 Has David Stein for about 15 years that was during the 993 01:04:43,908 --> 01:04:45,800 period. I helped run a group called 994 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,900 friends today, the Hollywood Hollywood Conservative 995 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,500 Republican group. That was founded by Gary Sinise. 996 01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:56,800 And yeah, you name, the person Condi rice, Dick Cheney John 997 01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,300 Boehner Karl Rove Neo cons for the most. 998 01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:04,800 We were we were a very neocon organization and these guys, 999 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,900 especially Cheney and robe when they would come to hang out with 1000 01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:11,800 We'd only have a big banquet and they'd say a few words. 1001 01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:17,800 Then we would all hobnob it was very distasteful to me at least 1002 01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:22,900 because I was not that same level of neocon assume that most 1003 01:05:22,900 --> 01:05:25,200 of the other people in the room or if it was very distasteful 1004 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,200 because Rove and Cheney would always bring along these 1005 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:37,000 disfigured, amputee veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq and it 1006 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,800 want the what made it? Distasteful it was Kind of like 1007 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,400 these guys were saying because then they would chaining would 1008 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,200 get up there. Rope would get up there and say, 1009 01:05:45,300 --> 01:05:48,700 give a give a big hand, give a standing ovation to private 1010 01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:53,400 first class, whatever, who lost three of his Limbs and there'd 1011 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,900 be this guy in a wheelchair blinded from shrapnel and it was 1012 01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:00,700 like, showing off. But look what like Cheney say. 1013 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,800 Look what I did to this guy. Aren't you happy, don't you love 1014 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,200 me? No, I, my war of did I fought so 1015 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,300 hard for now? These discs are eat every to 1016 01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:11,400 walk again. He's ever going to see you 1017 01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,200 again. But give them a hand. 1018 01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:17,400 He deserves a hand. Don't give me a hand to because 1019 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:23,300 I brought this all about, it was very dark, the group, kind of 1020 01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:25,300 reflected. Gary sinise's. 1021 01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:30,400 Take on conservatism. Gary Sinise, is basically just a 1022 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,000 military support the military guy. 1023 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,500 Support the Foreign Wars guy. Gary Sinise, never took any 1024 01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:41,400 positions on domestic issues. You couldn't get him to say five 1025 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:48,800 words about you, name it about gay rights abortion tax policy, 1026 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,600 anything. He wouldn't talk about anything 1027 01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,300 domestic it all but if you got him started about Afghanistan or 1028 01:06:55,300 --> 01:06:58,600 Iraq, he would he would just keep going. 1029 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,000 It's one of the reasons that it friends of Abe dissolved. 1030 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:08,300 When Trump looked certain to get the nomination because the 1031 01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:14,200 hierarchy Your friends of Abe was very much against Trump's 1032 01:07:14,500 --> 01:07:20,800 focus on things, like immigration and bringing jobs 1033 01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,300 back and confronting the Chinese. 1034 01:07:23,500 --> 01:07:26,900 And also the fact that Trump didn't seem gung-ho about 1035 01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:30,600 Foreign Wars. So the group couldn't really get 1036 01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,700 behind Trump. However, the rank-and-file 1037 01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:36,600 members quite a few of the rank and file members were very Pro 1038 01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,700 trunk, so they be General solution to that was simply to 1039 01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:45,600 dissolve the group. And so the group is all at the 1040 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:50,700 beginning of 2016 right around the time, that it seemed fairly 1041 01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:53,200 inevitable that Trump was going to get the nod. 1042 01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:58,400 I've always liked Larry Elder. Is he a nice guy off camera? 1043 01:07:59,500 --> 01:08:04,700 Well, I'm biased because he and I were friends very, very close 1044 01:08:04,700 --> 01:08:08,300 friends for several years, but then when the revelations about 1045 01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:12,400 me being David Cole came out, he just cut me off cold turkey. 1046 01:08:12,700 --> 01:08:16,899 Sadly, when he owed me money for some job site did for him. 1047 01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:23,399 So I like Larry Elder again. If you paid me 3,500 bucks that 1048 01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:26,700 has been owed. Now, since 2013. 1049 01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:32,500 In fact, I was Looking forward to if he had one during the 1050 01:08:32,899 --> 01:08:36,000 governor Gavin. Newsom recall, if Larry Elder 1051 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,600 had one, I would have gone right up to Sacramento there, and I 1052 01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,800 would have demanded it check. It would have, I would have hung 1053 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:49,100 out in the lobby there at the Rotunda and waited for Larry 1054 01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:51,700 Elder to come walking through. And I wanted to manned it a 1055 01:08:51,700 --> 01:08:55,600 thirty five hundred dollar check because I don't I don't like 1056 01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,899 being stiff for any money but $3500. 1057 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,500 For a couple of commercials, I produced for him for his book. 1058 01:09:03,899 --> 01:09:07,300 $3500 is not small change. I don't let that stuff go. 1059 01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:11,500 I'm the kind of guy who, if I get, If They seized the smallest 1060 01:09:11,500 --> 01:09:14,200 problem with my Amazon Prime grocery order. 1061 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,600 I am on the phone, not only getting a refund, but 1062 01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,700 browbeating the people into giving me like a ten dollar 1063 01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:26,800 credit for the next order. These rutabaga is starting to 1064 01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:31,899 Brown so Not only do I want the money back for the rutabaga that 1065 01:09:31,899 --> 01:09:36,899 I want $10 towards my next order because I feel that as a killed, 1066 01:09:36,899 --> 01:09:39,500 is the greatest anti-Semitism. I have ever experienced in my 1067 01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:40,800 life. This rutabaga. 1068 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,600 It has in its this is a rutabaga. 1069 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,300 They would have served the attempt Linka. 1070 01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,000 This is an insult and a soup itself and I'm not going to 1071 01:09:47,008 --> 01:09:49,399 stand for it. And before he before, you know 1072 01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:52,399 what, I've got like, twenty five dollar credit because they just 1073 01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:56,100 want to get rid of me. The point being, I'm not the 1074 01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:59,000 kind of guy who's gonna walk away for $3500. 1075 01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:05,700 I know about that mishandled, groceries, after all, we've been 1076 01:10:05,700 --> 01:10:08,200 through really, this. This is what I have to pay with 1077 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,000 we escaped Europe for this. When it comes to someone like 1078 01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:16,400 Cheney, I was a big supporter of Iraq and Afghanistan, and then 1079 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,100 to see the Taliban takeover. After a 20-year War. 1080 01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:22,300 They took over an 11 days to see Al Qaeda. 1081 01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:25,100 Take over Iraq, and so many deaths. 1082 01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:29,000 So many displaced, usually, when I do something. 1083 01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:32,200 Add. I will apologize when it comes 1084 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,300 to people like Cheney you. It almost seems like well if 1085 01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:38,700 they were really well-meaning and just mistaken or they were 1086 01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:41,700 put in a tough position. I think we'd see a little more 1087 01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:43,600 humility. Would see some more apologies. 1088 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,900 Maybe do you think people like Cheney and the Neo cons in this 1089 01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:51,700 case specifically are good guys who are put in tough positions 1090 01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:55,800 or more or less opportunists? Yeah, I don't think they're good 1091 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,700 guys. I think they're they are people 1092 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:04,100 with a very strong agenda. I do think that they went into 1093 01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:06,500 Iraq, thinking it would be a cakewalk. 1094 01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:09,100 In other words. I I don't think they believed 1095 01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:15,000 they were going to get into the mire that they got into but I 1096 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,200 also don't think they thought things through. 1097 01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:22,400 They had an agenda that I see in their mind that there was it was 1098 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,300 going to, they were going to successfully. 1099 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,700 With form the rack. And then they were going to go 1100 01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:30,500 into a ran and they were going to go into a Syria. 1101 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,800 They had all of these far-reaching plans that they 1102 01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:41,100 didn't really second guess and kind of going back to what we 1103 01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:43,200 talked about earlier about surrounding yourself, with bad 1104 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,400 advice. Yes, Men. 1105 01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,300 I don't think they have any humility. 1106 01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,900 I met Chaney quite a few times and I don't believe he possesses 1107 01:11:53,900 --> 01:11:58,400 any Humility, I don't think that Karl Rove possesses any 1108 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:04,000 humility. Sometimes, there's that line 1109 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,600 from Richard, the third sin will pluck on sin. 1110 01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:12,100 Meaning, the more you dig yourself into a hole doing bad, 1111 01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:15,900 things that the less you could admit it and the more you just 1112 01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:19,900 have to keep digging morning, his have to keep going because 1113 01:12:19,900 --> 01:12:22,300 the bad things you've done. Start chasing it. 1114 01:12:22,700 --> 01:12:26,600 You got to run faster. Master is if you stop to be 1115 01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:31,100 introspective for even a moment, all those bad things will catch 1116 01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:33,300 up with you. So that that's that's why I 1117 01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:36,100 don't think they're they lever apologize. 1118 01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,000 I don't think they can. I don't think they can admit it. 1119 01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:43,400 I think they just have to keep going and going and going as 1120 01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,600 though they do. They've always been right? 1121 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,600 And they have nothing that even rethink. 1122 01:12:50,900 --> 01:12:53,100 Excellent point. Yeah, Dean Acheson 0 is called 1123 01:12:53,100 --> 01:12:56,200 him situations of strength where you can more or less create an 1124 01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,700 issue just to display the amount of strength you have and I think 1125 01:12:59,700 --> 01:13:02,000 that's exactly what they wanted with Iraq. 1126 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,400 Bill. Kristol went on C-Span, 1127 01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:05,800 confident as anyone's ever said anything. 1128 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:07,700 This is not going to be some Vietnam. 1129 01:13:07,700 --> 01:13:10,500 This is a board that's going to last roughly about two months. 1130 01:13:10,700 --> 01:13:15,800 He said though, I mean, just just on unbelievable stuff there 1131 01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:22,100 the book. I think that they had when 1132 01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:25,100 you're in a bubble like that and everyone saying the same thing, 1133 01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:27,200 and everyone's bolstering each other. 1134 01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:31,700 I really do think they had they believed it, and that's, that's 1135 01:13:31,700 --> 01:13:34,300 even more dangerous than someone who is lying. 1136 01:13:34,700 --> 01:13:38,400 Because someone who really believes that kind of stuff is 1137 01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,800 not going to second-guess at all. 1138 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,800 Whereas someone who's just a devious, liar is at least going 1139 01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,400 to say, okay, are my lies working or do I have to moderate 1140 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,000 them a little bit every liar thinks about Bout that. 1141 01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,700 At some point, they're always gauging the effectiveness of 1142 01:13:54,708 --> 01:13:57,300 their lives because you lie for a purpose. 1143 01:13:57,300 --> 01:14:00,000 And so you always have to keep saying our my life to keeping 1144 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,900 that purpose, but true believers people who really sold 1145 01:14:02,900 --> 01:14:05,300 themselves on something. They're far more dangerous. 1146 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:10,300 The book is Republican Party Animal by David Cole. 1147 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,000 Best of luck. Finding it. 1148 01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:16,000 EBay. Maybe maybe Craigslist used 1149 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:21,000 bookstores links to mr. Cole's column, as well as his 1150 01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,600 Twitter in the description. I did. 1151 01:14:22,700 --> 01:14:24,400 Can I ask you two more quick questions? 1152 01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:27,600 Course. Do you have any fun or just 1153 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,300 interesting? Pat Buchanan stores? 1154 01:14:29,300 --> 01:14:35,400 Because he's one of my heroes. I want to say fun. 1155 01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:41,200 I new pet, and ironically, not from tacky mag. 1156 01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,900 I don't know him these days, but I knew him when he was making 1157 01:14:44,900 --> 01:14:50,700 his presidential run in the primary in the early 90s, and I 1158 01:14:50,700 --> 01:15:00,500 knew his sister, babe, you can. But I Pat is is a brilliant man 1159 01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:06,600 who has contributed greatly to the discourse in this country. 1160 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:13,100 He's a true intellect. I'm honored to share a byline on 1161 01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:19,300 this on the same website as him, but the times I met in that was 1162 01:15:19,300 --> 01:15:24,000 always just variance, inspiring intellectual talk. 1163 01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:27,900 We would sometimes talk about strategy and one of the one of 1164 01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:33,000 the one of the few times, what a few things I remember is. 1165 01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:40,900 When he was trying to mount that the primary challenge to blush. 1166 01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:50,200 He was caught slightly off guard by a question from. 1167 01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,800 I don't think it was even like a credential reporter. 1168 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,900 I think it was like a student reporter. 1169 01:15:56,900 --> 01:15:58,800 I think he might have been on campus somewhere. 1170 01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,200 You have to forgive me. This is a fuzzy memory. 1171 01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:07,100 It's going back 30 years, but I remember that I think it was a 1172 01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:13,300 student reporter who asked him a question about if you're so, 1173 01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:15,700 Whole life. How come you and your wife don't 1174 01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:22,400 have kids. And Buchanan snapped at the 1175 01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,600 reporter now. Yeah, it's a personal question. 1176 01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,000 Of course, it's personal question, but I was talking 1177 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,200 with, with his sister and the cyst at you. 1178 01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:35,300 I was talking with Pat sister and paths strategist. 1179 01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:39,300 Pat wants therefore this particular conversation, but I 1180 01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:44,200 humbly suggest and I said that these are the kind of questions 1181 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,700 Pat's going to get. And as insulting as it is to ask 1182 01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:55,200 something personal like that. It's never a good look to snap 1183 01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,400 too much. I mean, that that's, that's what 1184 01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:02,000 always used to think Bob Dole before, Bob Dole finally, got 1185 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:06,600 his nod in 96, but when when Dole was trying to get the 1186 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:10,700 nomination and election past, don't have a habit of snapping 1187 01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:13,600 at me. He would have the habit of the 1188 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:19,400 Bears that time when he was. I think Dan Rather, I think it 1189 01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:22,200 was Dan Rather had both Dolan Bush on remote. 1190 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:28,200 Two separate screens and Bush. Senior George h.w., Bush comes 1191 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,400 on, and he's like, well nice to be with you Dan, and such a 1192 01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,600 beautiful day in this country and then Dole comes on and says, 1193 01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:37,100 he'll push to stop lying about my record. 1194 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,800 Well one guy looks friendly and one guy looks like a snap you'll 1195 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,800 man. So the only piece of advice I 1196 01:17:44,808 --> 01:17:49,100 ever gave Pat Buchanan but not to his face but his sister and 1197 01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:53,200 the strategist. Let's be ready for those 1198 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:57,100 personal questions and you just don't want to look like The 1199 01:17:57,100 --> 01:17:59,500 media wants to paint you as a monster. 1200 01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:05,300 The media wants to paint his racist and the semi and 1201 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,100 everything else. So they want to make you look 1202 01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:12,300 like a beast. So sometimes you just got to get 1203 01:18:12,300 --> 01:18:13,800 it. You get a personal question. 1204 01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:17,700 You don't like he's got a smile through it so that but that's 1205 01:18:17,700 --> 01:18:19,800 the closest. I have to a Buchanan story. 1206 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,000 Most of the libertarian Institute audiences between mid 1207 01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,000 20s mid 30s. What advice would you give 1208 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,400 yourself because he got a lot of stories in here. 1209 01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:34,200 What advice would you give your self if you could go back and 1210 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,800 talk to yourself at 20, 30 years old. 1211 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,500 Josh, this is I don't want this to sound conceited. 1212 01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:49,700 But generally I kind of always did when I felt was right at the 1213 01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:52,900 time. I don't think that there's 1214 01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:54,900 anything. If I could go back. 1215 01:18:54,900 --> 01:18:56,200 I really don't think there's anything. 1216 01:18:56,200 --> 01:19:01,600 I would second guess, especially, I mean, putting my 1217 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,900 personal life aside because that made nothing but mistakes in my 1218 01:19:04,900 --> 01:19:06,900 personal life, but just looking in terms. 1219 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,000 As of my professional life, everything I did. 1220 01:19:10,700 --> 01:19:14,700 I would probably do it the exact same way. 1221 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:22,200 I would probably. I would probably try to, I would 1222 01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:27,600 have, I try to put out more content in the early 90s because 1223 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,800 I feel like I never got a chance to really finish. 1224 01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:33,100 Some of the work I was doing back then. 1225 01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:37,100 Now I'm finishing it now, and it's finished in in the book, 1226 01:19:37,300 --> 01:19:40,800 but I think, if I had done it, put out more content in the 1227 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,300 early 90s people would have had a better idea of my position. 1228 01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,500 But again, I can't blame myself for that because you go back to 1229 01:19:48,500 --> 01:19:51,600 91 92, 93, Three, there was no internet. 1230 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,300 There were no personal blogs that. 1231 01:19:53,300 --> 01:19:55,700 There was no social media. You always have to have a 1232 01:19:55,700 --> 01:19:57,000 middleman. If you're going to publish 1233 01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,900 anything, released a video or a book always had to have someone 1234 01:20:00,900 --> 01:20:03,100 a producer. I mean, it's distributor and 1235 01:20:03,100 --> 01:20:05,800 editor of publishing company as a middleman. 1236 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:09,400 So it was not really my call how much content I could put out. 1237 01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:17,000 But generally, I sort of did things the way I felt was right 1238 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,600 way and I look back and I don't think I second-guess it. 1239 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:24,500 Anything. Check out his column at Taki 1240 01:20:24,500 --> 01:20:26,300 mag, Link in the description below. 1241 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,500 Find out why? Phil Donahue called this man, 1242 01:20:29,700 --> 01:20:32,600 the Antichrist. Very interesting stuff. 1243 01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:34,800 David Cole. Thank you so much for your time, 1244 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,500 sir. It's been a pleasure. 1245 01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,700 Thank you, Keith. I've enjoyed every minute of it. 1246 01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:42,400 What are the? I can't tell. 1247 01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,800 If this is a combination of Keith nights question. 1248 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,800 I'm going to continuation off it or new question. 1249 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,500 Why? I didn't put the person's name. 1250 01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:50,200 The, what are the usual? Peace? 1251 01:20:50,300 --> 01:20:53,300 Of evidence historians referred to before declaring genocide 1252 01:20:53,300 --> 01:20:54,900 approve, an historical event. IE. 1253 01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:57,900 How would one prove Pol Pot Mao? Stalin? 1254 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,500 Ottoman Empire, Japanese empire Etc. 1255 01:21:00,900 --> 01:21:03,800 Well, a lot of it, since you're never going to get millions of 1256 01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,000 bodies. It just never happens either. 1257 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,600 The bodies are our burned or they're, they're conveniently 1258 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:15,600 buried in places where they never dug up, but you're never 1259 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,100 going to, it's an effort by counting dead bodies. 1260 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:23,400 It's primarily Bye. Well, in the case of the Khmer 1261 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,800 Rouge, the Khmer Rouge was only in power for a very brief time. 1262 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:33,400 So when the Khmer Rouge left and every dictatorial, entity is 1263 01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,300 replaced by another and the new one needs to bad-mouth the old 1264 01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:39,300 ones. So within when the Khmer Rouge 1265 01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:44,500 was kicked out there was a an attempt made to just collect 1266 01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:46,800 names of people who were dead missing. 1267 01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,400 So a lot of it in that case. I mean, that we certainly bones, 1268 01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,600 there were bodies. There were a lot of Killing 1269 01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:55,300 Fields where skeletons and bodies existed, but a lot of it 1270 01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:59,200 in the case of the Khmer Rouge, because the Khmer Rouge lasted, 1271 01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:03,600 so briefly everybody who lost someone remembered it, you know, 1272 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,900 it's not like decades have gone by and been new generations come 1273 01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:08,800 up. So a lot of it taking names of 1274 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,700 people basic census of taking names of people or missing 1275 01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,400 disappeared. The case of the Soviet Union 1276 01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:22,900 Robert Conquest. Basically just had to do like 1277 01:22:22,900 --> 01:22:29,100 demographic comparisons, like how big a town should be, what 1278 01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:34,000 its population should be based on the natural reproduction 1279 01:22:34,300 --> 01:22:37,800 growth of a particular town, a particular City. 1280 01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,400 And so a lot of its demographic, guess work. 1281 01:22:41,500 --> 01:22:43,500 With. Now, it's even more difficult 1282 01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:48,100 because there's never been an end to the Chinese Communist 1283 01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,200 Empire. I mean, it's not like the Soviet 1284 01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:54,900 Union ever collapsed. So it's a lot more difficult. 1285 01:22:54,900 --> 01:22:57,800 If there are people of done, some very intense research 1286 01:22:58,500 --> 01:23:02,500 using, in some cases, internal Chinese documents to try to, try 1287 01:23:02,500 --> 01:23:07,100 to figure out, how many people died, both in terms of the 1288 01:23:07,100 --> 01:23:09,900 cultural revolution. Your people purposely killed and 1289 01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:16,000 people who died in the famine. It's very thick, not easy to 1290 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,800 explain. And I would not be able to 1291 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,400 really paraphrase other people's work correctly. 1292 01:23:21,900 --> 01:23:25,600 It is just difficult to it. That's why those ranges for 1293 01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,800 Mao's death. Toll is so wild. 1294 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,200 They started like 20 million and they ended 80 million in people. 1295 01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,300 It's kind of pick the one they want. 1296 01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:38,300 You can't be it. Very hard to be specific about 1297 01:23:38,300 --> 01:23:41,200 that. But there's a sense. 1298 01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:44,400 There's a general consensus that even though we can't say, if 1299 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,500 it's 20 40, 60, 80 million, but when there's a general consensus 1300 01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:51,300 that Millions have died, then it's declared a genocide.