1 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:02,700 Welcome to Keith's night. Don't try it on anyone in the 2 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:04,600 libertarian Institute joining me. 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:09,400 Today is the opinion editor at anti-war.com and my colleague at 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,500 the libertarian Institute. Kyle. 5 00:00:11,700 --> 00:00:14,100 Anzalone Kyle. Where is the best place for 6 00:00:14,100 --> 00:00:19,100 people to find your show, the libertarian Institute right with 7 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:20,800 your show? It's a hosted their. 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,100 So, conflicts of interest, myself kind of Freeman will 9 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:28,200 Porter, and then be sure to check out the new stuff that me 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,299 and Will are doing at the Aryan Institute news stories with a 11 00:00:32,308 --> 00:00:36,100 Libertarian take every day. Although, you know, I we want to 12 00:00:36,108 --> 00:00:40,000 do more like domestic stuff but we start doing it last week and 13 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:43,800 Russia invaded Ukraine. So it's been pretty much just 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,600 foreign policy coverage, but that's the big news of the day. 15 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:52,400 Please explain to me in as deep detail as possible, so we can 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,400 get a real understanding of the situation. 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,600 What is the revolution of dignity? 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,900 The 2014 coup in Ukraine? Yeah, so it's got a bunch of 19 00:01:02,900 --> 00:01:06,300 names the revolution, didn't he? I think it's probably going to 20 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:12,000 be most known by our audiences as the Euro made on or the 2014 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Ukraine coup. It actually starts in late 2013, 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,900 in November. And it starts of protest against 23 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:26,800 the, the president Viktor Yanukovych and there's various 24 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,400 reasons for the protest. A lot of is corruption and 25 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,300 rightfully, so it's a very corrupt government. 26 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:34,200 Ukraine, has a very corrupt system. 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,500 They make, billions of dollars of years. 28 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:39,800 Just, you know, with Russian gas flowing through their company 29 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:45,600 country and things like that, of course, like Russia after the, 30 00:01:45,900 --> 00:01:47,600 you know, Soviet Union, Dissolved. 31 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,200 You have an entire country where nobody owns anything and all 32 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,000 this stuff. And so it ends it up gain, 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,700 handed out, fairly corruptly and and forget her last name, just 34 00:01:59,700 --> 00:02:02,700 did a really good interview with Scott, Horton on this. 35 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:05,100 I'll try to look it up when you're talking at some point and 36 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:08,800 give her full name on how corrupt it was in Russia. 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,200 And you know, this is all very important because 30 years ago 38 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,000 if you, you know have like all of the industry in the country 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,500 up for grabs. And it's going to the most 40 00:02:18,500 --> 00:02:20,900 corrupt people. Well, then, this is guy, has 41 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:24,400 some pretty serious consequences for that country probably 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,900 forever, but definitely, you know for the decades that 43 00:02:26,900 --> 00:02:30,000 preceded in. So leading up to 2014, that's 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,400 one of the things and you know, all the different leaders of 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,200 Ukraine had been corrupt. There have been different 46 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,800 resolutions there before including in 2004 when the u.s. 47 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,300 Carried out. The orange Revolution overthrew 48 00:02:40,700 --> 00:02:44,800 the same guy actually and so protests broke out in late 49 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,700 November with People, I think a lot of student movements 50 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:55,000 gathering in what they call like Freedom Square Independence, 51 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:00,900 Square are whatever in the capital of Ukraine, Kiev and 52 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,800 those protesters are, you know, met with police and there's some 53 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,900 clashes and things like that. I think people die pretty early 54 00:03:09,900 --> 00:03:13,500 on but not like in huge numbers or anything like that. 55 00:03:14,300 --> 00:03:17,900 The protest go on for quite a bit and the the US starts to get 56 00:03:17,900 --> 00:03:20,700 very involved in the protest. And so, you know, it's one of 57 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:24,700 those things where maybe the US was involved in facilitating, 58 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:26,500 even the creation of the protest. 59 00:03:26,500 --> 00:03:32,400 Maybe it was more. The case of the US was You know, 60 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,800 solid protest movement in Ukraine and then just really 61 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,900 exacerbated what was going on there. 62 00:03:37,900 --> 00:03:42,300 All right, but either way US senators, get involved, John 63 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:45,600 McCain, Chris Murphy are on the ground. 64 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:50,300 Victoria nuland, who is, I think the u.s. 65 00:03:50,300 --> 00:03:54,000 Like Envoy to the, to Nato are to Eastern Europe or something 66 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,100 like that. She's an Obama administration 67 00:03:56,100 --> 00:03:59,500 official is on the ground. They're handing out cookies, 68 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 James Sullivan. Who's the current national 69 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,500 security advisors involved Geoffrey, Pyatt? 70 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:08,500 Another us Eastern, European official, Who's involved in all 71 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:12,300 this and importantly, then Vice President? 72 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:16,600 Joe Biden is like kind of overseeing this for the White 73 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,399 House. And so, you know, how earlier in 74 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:22,600 the Biden Administration, Kamala Harris was like in charge of the 75 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,400 immigration policy. That's what's going on here. 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,000 Where Joe Biden's in charge of you know, Loosely right? 77 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,700 Like Obama still the president and No and everything but you 78 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:36,700 know, he he is really, I think like giving like the White House 79 00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:39,700 level permission for what's going on and what the US is 80 00:04:39,700 --> 00:04:43,800 doing in Ukraine. And so during this time Ukraine 81 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,800 is negotiating two different trade deals one with Russia and 82 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:54,500 one with the EU or you know, the Western countries and there's 83 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:58,700 various reporting on this. But I mean Russia offered a 84 00:04:58,707 --> 00:05:04,000 pretty solid deal to Ukraine. And the European deal said that 85 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,900 they couldn't accept the Russian deal. 86 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,400 And so because of that they end up taking the the Russian 87 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,700 agreement. And so well, you know, they 88 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:17,600 rejected the European agreement end up taking the Russian 89 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,600 agreement in this really exacerbates the protest. 90 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,600 And you know, this seems like the kind of thing that suggests 91 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,800 that the u.s. Is a very large hand behind it 92 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,600 because you know, one of the reasons that the Ukrainian 93 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,100 government didn't take the European deal was because of the 94 00:05:35,108 --> 00:05:38,800 austerity measures imposed in things like then, you know as a 95 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,400 Libertarian. I don't think there should be 96 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,900 government spending but if you are a Ukrainian Citizen and your 97 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:49,100 government, you know, makes tons of money, you know, kind of on 98 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:52,800 contracts negotiated on behalf of you. 99 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,600 And then your government is just stealing all that money and when 100 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,100 they need more money, they are going to like, cut welfare 101 00:06:00,100 --> 00:06:02,000 benefits, right? Other than cutting like 102 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,200 government corruption. Well, you know, I mean like it's 103 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,200 very complicated. It's not as simple as saying 104 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,000 like the libertarian position here. 105 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,800 Is that austerity good for Ukraine and you know Russian 106 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,400 loan packages bad because it's a lot more complicated than that. 107 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:24,300 And so however, you want to look at it the the offer from Russia 108 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:27,000 at least, you know in the immediate term was definitely a 109 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,500 better offer and during this time. 110 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:33,600 There was a negotiated deal. For new elections, to be held in 111 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,500 Ukraine prior to whenever they were scheduled, but that was 112 00:06:38,500 --> 00:06:42,200 pushed up. And, and by the end of February, 113 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,200 they had removed the Ukrainian government from power, it fled. 114 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:49,400 And then, of course, one of the most important in famous parts 115 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:54,200 of all, this is or inFAMOUS, Victoria nuland is called to 116 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,800 Geoffrey. Pyatt, you know, look it up the 117 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,400 fdu call where she's talking about, who's going to go into 118 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,800 the new? Government, and she's talking 119 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,400 about Yachts being the guy. I think that it's actually 120 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,300 pronounced, like got some garlic Yachts would be short and then 121 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:16,700 you have Klitschko, the Bots are who's now the current mayor of 122 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:20,100 Kiev, you know, he's getting a lot of attention in play now 123 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:23,600 because of that role. He only they got me in fatigues, 124 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,400 holding like a big-ass gun, you know, on the on the media 125 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,800 running now, so they want him out. 126 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Did the government, you know, not in the government and that's 127 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,900 what ends up happening. And then they put, they also 128 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,600 designated the position of this guy. 129 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:47,200 Tommy Brooke who was one of the main people involved in some of 130 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,200 the right wing. Like ultra-nationalist, you 131 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,700 know, borderline Neo-Nazi parties and Ukraine including 132 00:07:53,700 --> 00:07:56,400 the sobota party. And so, you know, we could get 133 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,300 more into that in a minute, but you know, that is kind of you 134 00:07:59,300 --> 00:08:03,400 know, somebody that the US S is promoting here that has a very 135 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:08,300 ugly background, man. So yeah, that, I mean, that's 136 00:08:08,300 --> 00:08:09,700 how the government gets overthrowing. 137 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:11,100 The u.s. Is behind it. 138 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:15,600 Of course, I, you know, causes a civil war to break out Russia to 139 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,800 Annex the Crimean Peninsula. The u.s. 140 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,400 Responds with sanctions on Russia Army, the ukrainians in 141 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,500 their civil war against the russian-backed separatists in 142 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:28,400 the donbas. And a lot of that Civil War is 143 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,900 provoked because of someone like the ultra-nationalist. 144 00:08:31,100 --> 00:08:35,400 Elements and Ukraine carried out a couple, pretty vicious attacks 145 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,900 on buildings with ethnic Russians in there, like burning 146 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:40,799 people alive. Terrible things like that. 147 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:45,000 So, yeah. Yeah, you ask me more detail. 148 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,900 Why have you I skipped over too much. 149 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:50,600 It's it's been a while. I was I had to go back here and 150 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,300 refresh myself. A little bit because this is 151 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,600 eight years ago now and as an important thing to remember and 152 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,800 all this, you know, people are just now pretending that there's 153 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,800 a war in Ukraine. For the donbas region of Ukraine 154 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,300 and Eastern. Ukraine in general. 155 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:07,000 There has been a war on going there for 8 years. 156 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:14,000 So Putin said in his February 24th address on February 22nd, I 157 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,500 made a decision to carry out a special military operation. 158 00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:21,900 The purpose of this operation is to protect people who for eight 159 00:09:21,900 --> 00:09:25,400 years now have been facing humiliation and genocide 160 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:28,900 perpetrated by the Kiev regime to this end. 161 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:31,500 We will seek to demilitarize and D. 162 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:35,400 Not suffice a Ukraine. What is it with calling the 163 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,700 current Ukrainian regime a Bunch of Nazis, is that just sort of 164 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:43,700 like an America where everyone who is to the right of now as a 165 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:47,300 Nazi or are we actually dealing with a national socialist 166 00:09:47,300 --> 00:09:50,300 regime? So yeah, I mean there's some 167 00:09:50,300 --> 00:09:53,200 truth to it. But also I think when you know 168 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,300 Putin is talking about di not suffice eyeing, you know, the 169 00:09:56,300 --> 00:10:00,900 government that could mean quite a bit more than just like taking 170 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:03,600 out the legitimate neo-nazis that are in Ukraine. 171 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,900 And so I don't want to just, you know, endorse it because that 172 00:10:06,900 --> 00:10:11,500 could A euphemism that Putin is using an essentially for 173 00:10:11,500 --> 00:10:15,200 cleansing the government of anybody who doesn't follow the 174 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:21,100 the Russian line, but there is the azov Battalion in Ukraine 175 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:24,200 and just yesterday, me and we'll Porter wrote up a story on this 176 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,700 for the libertarian Institute. You can find it on the blog 177 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:31,800 there. And the azov Battalion is a part 178 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,000 of the Ukrainian National Garden. 179 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,000 This is a tweet from the Ukrainian national. 180 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,400 Guard verified, it verified, Twitter account, and now has a 181 00:10:40,408 --> 00:10:42,300 warning on it before the first 12 hours. 182 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:46,200 It didn't. But the Tweet is about, says, in 183 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:51,500 English in the tweet that they are dipping bullets and pigs 184 00:10:51,500 --> 00:10:56,100 lard to shoot at the Muslim or has that are fighting for 185 00:10:56,100 --> 00:10:58,800 Russia, right? And so just, you know, as a 186 00:10:58,808 --> 00:11:03,400 current example of what the as all Battalion is, like, that's, 187 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,900 you know, that that's the level that we're talking about here. 188 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:10,900 Like, that's God's team and to put it out on the Twitter 189 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:14,100 account like that, like that, you know, my me, they're telling 190 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:17,500 you who they are. And so, you know, the azov 191 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:20,900 Battalion guys have this patch that you'll see often. 192 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:24,700 It's like a z with a line through it is the Wolves angle. 193 00:11:24,700 --> 00:11:29,700 It's a Nazi era patch, you know, it dates back to that in mining 194 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:31,000 Wills article. Actually. 195 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,800 There's also a, like blad song that's also like a no 196 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,000 nationalist. Like, well go and And these 197 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:43,900 people are like descendants of the movement, founded by Stephen 198 00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:49,600 Bandera, who was a World War Two Ukrainian collaborator with the 199 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,200 Nazis when they moved into Ukraine. 200 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:57,300 And so, you know, he had his own militias that carried out at the 201 00:11:57,300 --> 00:12:00,900 Prague arms and things like that, you know, when people hear 202 00:12:00,900 --> 00:12:04,800 not see, you know, the the immediate thought is anti-jew. 203 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,200 I think these people are more neo-nazis in Sense of like 204 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:14,200 Ukrainian Aryan Supremacy. You heard somebody on the BBC 205 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,700 saying how terrible it was that blond haired blue. 206 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:18,200 Eyed. People are killing each other, 207 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,500 right? You know, that that's what's bad 208 00:12:20,500 --> 00:12:25,300 about this to them. So yeah, and I'm not saying 209 00:12:25,300 --> 00:12:27,500 that, you know, they like Jews or anything like that. 210 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:30,300 I'm just saying that, you know, I don't think what they've done 211 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:32,800 in Ukraine is go around and like kill Jews. 212 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,100 And like, that's the kind of Nazis that they are. 213 00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:39,300 I think, you know there. Like they believed in, you know, 214 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:44,000 violent ethnic supremacy of ethnic ukrainians who are 215 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,500 probably mostly Aryans of Ukraine, right? 216 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,500 That's that, that's that the ideology there. 217 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:55,800 And so yeah, they're descendants of Bend era in 2010, the 218 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,400 Ukrainian government like made Stephen Bandera, an official 219 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,100 hero of Ukraine, the move was denounced by the European Union, 220 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:08,600 Congress and Israel. And I think even the Polish 221 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,500 government because, you know, this this is a pretty ugly 222 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:17,300 figure who carried out attacks against ethnic poles as well. 223 00:13:17,300 --> 00:13:20,800 It's not just Russians are things like that, that these 224 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,500 people don't like, you know, there are other minorities and 225 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:29,600 Ukraine other than the Russians. And so in fact, that's a good 226 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,900 point to make. After the post-2014 coup is one 227 00:13:32,900 --> 00:13:35,400 of the first things, the Government tried to do is Ban 228 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,100 the Russian language and things like Like that eliminated from 229 00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:43,300 the government, and, you know, make Ukraine, the official 230 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:46,300 language, which was, you know, mainly, I think Saul's a Target 231 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:50,200 against the Russians, but there's also hungarians and 232 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:55,100 poles in Ukraine who obviously took offense to this kind of 233 00:13:55,100 --> 00:13:57,600 action, you know, targeting their language and their 234 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,800 Heritage and things like that. David Stockman has a pretty good 235 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,200 article. New article out at anti-war.com 236 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,400 titled, we are not Useful idiots. 237 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,400 And he goes through kind of how Ukraine was collaborated 238 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,200 together as the state. And you'll see that because 239 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,300 there's not great borders here. And so, you know, there are 240 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:22,200 people in Ukraine who aren't Ukrainian, right? 241 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,700 And so this, you know, crave some of these problems. 242 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,400 I guess. Yes. 243 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,600 Oh, that. Oh, and rape Ruby. 244 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,500 That's the one there person. I want to mention. 245 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:38,400 So after the government from think 2016 2 2019, this guy, 246 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,600 Andre Peru be who gets in close with the West he travels to the 247 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,900 United States and things like that is a member of this blow to 248 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:53,300 party of sybota party of Ukraine, and they initially when 249 00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:56,600 the party was found in the 1990s openly embraced. 250 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Like, nazi-like ideas and insignias, and and Logan's, you 251 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,000 know, slogans and all that kind of stuff. 252 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,400 Right now in the 2000s. I think they had like a new main 253 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,800 party member come in and, you know, he really advocated 254 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,900 changing some of this stuff. And so now, if you look at their 255 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:18,200 like logos and things like that, it's like a big piece like 256 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,300 yellow, peace symbol with a blue background, but, you know, they 257 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:24,600 made it very clear during that transition. 258 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:29,900 It's not about Ideology per se is just about, you know, 259 00:15:29,900 --> 00:15:33,500 branding and things like that similar to in Syria. 260 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:38,300 When the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, told the leader of 261 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:41,700 al-Qaeda in Syria, to change your name, you know, from Al 262 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:44,600 Qaeda and Syria to Al nusra that way. 263 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,500 The Americans will give you more weapons, right, you know, you 264 00:15:48,500 --> 00:15:51,500 change your branding a little bit and the Americans, you know, 265 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:54,400 will fall in love with you. It's not that hard to fool them 266 00:15:54,500 --> 00:15:56,100 or, you know, get them not to care. 267 00:15:56,500 --> 00:16:01,300 And so in 2016, there's a good article by James Corden in the 268 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:06,500 nation where he outlines how the Biden's are not buying Obama's 269 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:09,200 Pentagon. Lobbied Congress to take a 270 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,400 provision out of the 2016. Ndaa. 271 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,300 I'm pretty sure was put there by Tulsi gabbard, but I'm not 272 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:20,400 positive about that. But that provision was the like 273 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,400 stop Army Nazis at or something like that or a specific thing 274 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,100 that would bar. Weapons being sent to groups 275 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:31,900 with like far-right ideological extremists. 276 00:16:31,900 --> 00:16:34,900 I'd like, you know in for real now like, you know, the local 277 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:38,000 guy down the street that lights to hang a Confederate flag, but 278 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,900 you know the guys that will go out and kill people in Ukraine 279 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:44,900 and things like that based on their, you know, ethics that 280 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:50,900 Addison and things and so yeah. Yeah. 281 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:53,900 So anyways, the Pentagon had Congress take that out of the 282 00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:56,900 bill, right? Like what more The design they 283 00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:59,300 do need you. Also in you know, I don't love 284 00:16:59,300 --> 00:17:01,100 the UN. I'm not preaching international 285 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:04,300 government, you know, there's certainly other reasons then, 286 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:09,000 you know, opposing Nazis to like oppose the UN adopting different 287 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,700 mandates and things, but there was a vote in the UN on like 288 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:16,700 condemning Army Nazis and every country. 289 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:21,700 But Ukraine in the United States, voted for it or those 290 00:17:21,700 --> 00:17:23,500 were the only two countries that voted against. 291 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:27,500 I think there are some abstentions and so That's based 292 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:32,000 on what's happening in Ukraine. Further, the, the New Zealand 293 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:37,000 Christchurch shooter, you know, they banned his Manifesto and 294 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,600 everything, but in his Manifesto, there are references 295 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,700 to Ukraine and his desires to travel to Ukraine. 296 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:46,600 There's a former soldier in the United States, who committed, 297 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,100 some pretty violent crimes after traveling to Ukraine. 298 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:55,700 You could watched an episode of trap it on Nat Geo that details 299 00:17:55,700 --> 00:18:01,600 the White supremacist ties in eastern Ukraine and how the US 300 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,600 has been involved in that. And in fact, Newsweek wrote an 301 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,100 article on this and former Obama administration. 302 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:11,300 Official. Evelyn Farkas said, yeah. 303 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:12,500 Yeah. They're they're Nazis. 304 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:15,400 But when Russia is going to evade you arm and back who you 305 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:21,200 have to back. And so this is, this is like, 306 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,400 you know, real stuff that we're dealing with here, actual 307 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:28,700 Neo-Nazi presence in Ukraine. Is that a dog or is there a 308 00:18:28,700 --> 00:18:30,900 woman in your basement? Know that? 309 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:33,000 That's a, I got a little husky here. 310 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,700 Who is not happy that he's not getting attention right now. 311 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:40,500 But yeah, again, be a little bit more quiet. 312 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,300 I was just making sure I go. Is there a coffee cup moving 313 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:46,300 along? Making this sound or something? 314 00:18:47,500 --> 00:18:53,600 So, on February 21st, Putin says in March of 2021 Ukraine adopted 315 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:58,100 a new military strategy based on the Each that this document, 316 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:00,900 he's referring to is almost completely aimed at 317 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:04,300 confrontation with Russia. They want to drag foreign States 318 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:06,400 into the conflict with our country. 319 00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:12,300 The strategy suggests organizing Russia Russian Crimea and donbas 320 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,700 as basically, terrorist underground's. 321 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,500 And it also outlines the possible War. 322 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,100 Are you familiar with any document like this? 323 00:19:21,700 --> 00:19:25,200 I don't know about the document. I mean, again, you know, going 324 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,100 bad to all this, you know, there is a war being waged here and 325 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:33,900 everything and 01, you know, one important detail in the recent 326 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:37,800 fighting has broken out in Ukraine, is that in the like 327 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,500 couple days leading up to Putin declaring, you know, the the 328 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:44,500 independence of the donbas region and then giving this 329 00:19:44,500 --> 00:19:48,600 speech there was like five thousand, something reports of 330 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,200 like artillery fire along the Line and control an outbreak of 331 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,800 fighting, in the Ukrainian civil war between the people of the 332 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,900 donbas and, you know, the Ukrainian Army, including, you 333 00:19:59,900 --> 00:20:02,400 know, the the National Guard, which includes the azov 334 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,600 Battalion, right? But during that fighting they 335 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,600 said that like, 80% are like the vast majority of the, the 336 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,400 ceasefire violations were committed by the side of the 337 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,900 Ukrainian Army and so, you know, not not that, that justifies 338 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:22,200 what Putin is doing here, but it is, you know, Kind of important 339 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,300 to note that. Yeah, like this fighting has 340 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:29,300 been going on a long time and a lot of people are, you know, 341 00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:32,500 being killed who are on the Russian bad side of this. 342 00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:37,900 So it's really clear if you read the work of Pat Buchanan in 343 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:40,700 1999. He says bringing Latvia 344 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:45,300 Lithuania and some have even urged Ukraine into NATO will be 345 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:49,400 a direct threat to Russia. Just as the Soviets putting 346 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,200 missiles in Cuba was never going to be allowed by the Americans. 347 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,800 What do you see NATO expansion as the primary cause behind 348 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:04,200 Putin? Invading Yeah, well, yeah, I 349 00:21:04,208 --> 00:21:06,000 think so. I think that is the primary 350 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,400 cause I think the things going on internally in Ukraine are 351 00:21:09,500 --> 00:21:12,900 very important to Putin as well. Like, you know, that what we're 352 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:16,500 talking about here with the fighting going on in eastern, 353 00:21:16,500 --> 00:21:20,700 Ukraine, and the Nazi elements in the government and that 354 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:23,700 government alignment with the west and everything like that, 355 00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:29,300 however, I think a lot of the most important stuff going on 356 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:33,900 here is about the NATO and Expansion because of what NATO 357 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:37,500 expansion means. And so at the end of the Cold 358 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:40,500 War, there are only 14 countries in NATO. 359 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,500 Oh, now they're sits team. This is pretty significant 360 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:47,300 increase. And at the end, you know that it 361 00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:51,300 was West Germany, the US reunited, Germany. 362 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:55,400 And then, you know, made Germany and NATO member then it included 363 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,300 Poland. Which, of course, the Warsaw 364 00:21:57,300 --> 00:22:01,800 Pact was the Russian counter to Nato and now Warsaw. 365 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,900 All is a NATO member that's you know, these are pretty crazy 366 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:07,000 things. But then the Baltic states which 367 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,200 border Russia and right near the area with St. 368 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,400 Petersburg is very significant and important. 369 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:18,600 And so, you know, these are real security threads, but in 2008 370 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,900 George Bush, really stepped on the Russian red line by saying 371 00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:28,400 that they were going to put both Georgia and Ukraine into NATO. 372 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,900 And so this led to a conflict in Georgia and 2008, where Russia 373 00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:37,300 ends up recognizing the independence of South Asia and 374 00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:41,500 putting a bunch of dirt troops there to, you know, really 375 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,100 cement the independence. They are in, you know, I guess 376 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:48,800 in a lot of ways is just you know ads is somewhat of a 377 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,800 Russian, you know, proxy little Province. 378 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,500 They're somewhat like if the you know, Russia just takes the Donk 379 00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:56,000 mess. It would probably add to it in 380 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,200 some way that same catching on that border. 381 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:05,000 But with with NATO membership, Ship comes not only a guarantee 382 00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:08,800 that you know, if you're at at Russia will fight back and so, 383 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:12,300 you know, if we're talking about adding Ukraine, as a NATO member 384 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,600 and a skirmish breaks out on the border and the Western 385 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,500 countries, you know, interpret that that's in the tap by 386 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:21,300 Russia, even if it wasn't attacked by Ukraine or something 387 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:24,400 like that, you know, that it could start war with NATO NATO 388 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,900 and insist that it's a defensive Alliance and Russia feel it has 389 00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:32,600 nothing to worry about. However, NATO has only Three 390 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,900 offensive Wars and zero defensive Wars. 391 00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:38,900 It bought in Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Libya. 392 00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:43,500 And so, you know, you tell me if brushes should just take NATO's 393 00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:46,500 word for it, that it has no concerns, you know, interest in 394 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,700 Russia. I mean you have four years had 395 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:51,200 like serious u.s. Pond in suggesting that there 396 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,000 should be regime change in Moscow and things like that. 397 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,900 And you know, there was a pretty good episode of the sky horn 398 00:23:58,900 --> 00:24:01,700 Show recently with Lyle Goldstein on all this. 399 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,400 And he points out that another significant factor wasn't in 400 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,100 just a couple months ago, the u.s. 401 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:12,700 Tried to remove the government in Belarus, or at least that's 402 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:15,400 the rush interpretation of it. I'm not sure how much of the 403 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,200 color-coded Revolution backed by the US who it was, but the u.s. 404 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:24,100 Does have a lot of ngos operating in Belarus that were 405 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:26,300 heavily involved in what was going on there. 406 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:31,800 So, you know, even if the u.s. Maybe wasn't directing all the 407 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,800 Half-baked. They certainly laid a lot of the 408 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,800 foundation and ground working is pretty understandable why I 409 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,100 think Russia wouldn't interpret what happened in Belarus with 410 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:45,800 the recent protests that way. Yeah, but another big thing with 411 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,700 NATO membership is going to come weapons and a lot of them, you 412 00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:52,600 get priority access to weapons. And if we look at what's, you 413 00:24:52,608 --> 00:24:55,900 know, happened with NATO expansion. 414 00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:59,600 It's also been a slow creep of weapons across Europe as well. 415 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,800 Right? And, you know, we're deploying 416 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,200 more and more troops for the They're used all the time. 417 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,600 We're conducting more war games further, and further east. 418 00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:12,700 It was just a month ago, that the UK was a France and Estonia 419 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:16,400 were carrying out war games, right on, like literally sits be 420 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,100 miles from the Russian border. It would take wargame 60 miles 421 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:22,500 from the Russian border. Like you'll think that's be a 422 00:25:22,508 --> 00:25:25,700 little bit of an issue if Russia and Canada were carrying. 423 00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:29,300 Now joined tank war games like 60 miles from the border with 424 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:32,900 New York, like people want feel a little I'm comfortable with 425 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:34,800 that. I really think they would. 426 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,800 And then, of course, more importantly things like Maize 427 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,100 missiles and particularly the Patriot missile systems, which 428 00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:47,100 the US says our defensive. However, the problem is the same 429 00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:49,800 tube that you put one, the Patriot missile are receptors. 430 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,800 Then you can also drop a Tomahawk missile in there. 431 00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:56,300 And you can also put a nuclear warhead on a Tomahawk missile. 432 00:25:56,500 --> 00:26:00,900 And so I think Russia is concerned and rightfully. 433 00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:04,000 So Because the u.s. Is already installed these 434 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,700 systems in Poland and Romania that could possibly come to 435 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:11,600 Moscow. And again, you know looking at 436 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,000 maybe an example from the US side, if Russia was talking 437 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,000 about putting systems in Cuba today that could hold like there 438 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,300 Hypersonic, cruise missiles are something. 439 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,100 I I don't think there's any way that us would allow that and 440 00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:28,700 went under and rightfully understand it as a security 441 00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:32,000 threat. Was it Ukraine that bush wanted 442 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,700 to bring into NATO or Albania and Croatia? 443 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,100 He, I don't have, I got to look at map because there's been like 444 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:43,400 several rounds of NATO expansion, but he wanted to 445 00:26:43,408 --> 00:26:46,400 bring Ukraine and Georgia. And that was right at the end of 446 00:26:46,408 --> 00:26:50,900 his administration, 2008 that he put Ukraine, Georgia, and maybe 447 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:54,000 also Moldova on that list. I'm not exactly sure about 448 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,700 Moldova, but I know that there's been talk about that. 449 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,400 But yeah, they again it's banded all the way from Germany to, you 450 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,300 know, the borders of Ukraine, you know, people keep talking 451 00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:07,000 about on like Fox News and stuff. 452 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,800 They're like, well, if boot over Ukraine, then he's going to have 453 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,900 more NATO countries on his border which he doesn't want. 454 00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:16,600 And it's like, yeah, but you know, his the water he's 455 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,500 concerned about his like how far NATO is from Moscow, right? 456 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:24,200 Not necessarily, you know, where the official like find of Russia 457 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,800 begins versus the the official line of NATO. 458 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,900 I think, you know strategically where his Country is and also, 459 00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:36,800 you have to remember them, you know, World War Two, Germany, 460 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,300 invaded Russia, you know, Russia. 461 00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:43,800 Well the USSR, but they did that through Ukraine and 27 million, 462 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,100 Russians died fighting there. And so these are everybody's 463 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:48,600 grandparents in Russia. Right? 464 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,800 Like that's that generation for a lot of these people that 465 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,400 fought in World War Two or, you know, didn't even have to fight 466 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,400 because the war was in Russia. It's not like America where the 467 00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:04,400 Only people who really remember WWII are the people who went to 468 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,000 combat and in theater, right? Like my grandpa didn't even 469 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,700 really talked much about it because he was just stationed in 470 00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:13,300 the Aleutian Islands and Alaska. Like, I don't think he really 471 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,600 did much up there other than be cold where, you know, like the 472 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,000 people who went to Europe in the, in the Philippines, but 473 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,300 that is still only a few Americans when it was the 474 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:25,000 Russians. Right? 475 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,600 Like they fought, like the people fought a war against You 476 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,900 to stop the Nazis from taking Moscow, like that almost 477 00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:38,200 happened. And so now you've had in the 478 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,600 past 30 years, America, re-established, Germany as one 479 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,300 country after it was divided in WWII in part because of, you 480 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:49,400 know, the crimes of Germany during World War Two and how 481 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,600 everything worked out. But, you know, we've now 482 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,800 reunited Germany, made it an integral part of the NATO. 483 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,500 Alliance is one of the biggest It's economies in NATO now and 484 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:05,900 that, you know, Alliance has has or two more and more countries 485 00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:08,300 is getting closer and closer to Russia's border. 486 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:16,000 In Putin's February, 24th speech, he actually gives the 487 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,800 outline of the National Socialist invasion of the 488 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,700 Soviets. He says, basically, we sat back 489 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:25,700 we didn't think it could happen. There was The molotov-ribbentrop 490 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:28,100 Pact. So we weren't necessarily 491 00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:31,100 expecting a war. I don't believe half of this but 492 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,600 that is how a lot of Russians will be able to easily see it as 493 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,500 we sat back and did nothing while the national socialists. 494 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,700 Were expanding today. It's they sit back and do 495 00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:44,700 nothing while NATO's expanding and he says, as a result, the 496 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:48,400 country was not prepared to counter The Invasion by Nazi 497 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,400 Germany, which attacked our motherland on June 22nd 1941. 498 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,500 Without declaring war, the country, stopped the enemy and 499 00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:58,500 went on to defeat it, but it came at a tremendous cost. 500 00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:00,800 The attempt to appease the aggressor ahead of the Great 501 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,500 Patriotic War proved to be a mistake, which came at a high 502 00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:08,000 cost for our people in the first months after hostilities, broke 503 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,900 out. We lost This vast territories of 504 00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:13,500 strategic importance, as well as millions of lives. 505 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:18,400 We will not make that mistake a second time and it's amazing how 506 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,900 similar this is to the second world war issue. 507 00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:26,000 Where look, I mean, as bad as Hitler is, is it worth staging a 508 00:30:26,008 --> 00:30:31,200 World War over the Danzig area? Which is where Britain declared 509 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,100 war? After the Nazis invaded Danzig? 510 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:38,600 A mostly German area. It was like something like 90%. 511 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,800 E % German in the Danzig area because it was Germany 512 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,300 previously, 20 years ago before the Versailles treaty. 513 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,800 So I mean this is what people are risking a World War over. 514 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,000 I mean, I'm sorry, please go. I know. 515 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000 I was just going to say on that point. 516 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,000 You know, one thing that happened after World War Two is 517 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,600 that the west of the UN established, the international 518 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,500 liberal, world order, whatever the post. 519 00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,900 All to structure of everything that's, you know, quote unquote, 520 00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:15,000 kept the peak is and part of that says that you can change 521 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,800 borders that anywhere ever, which doesn't make sense. 522 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,300 Because sometimes borders are in the wrong place. 523 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:23,900 And so, you know, this has been basically used to demonize any 524 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:28,200 of America's enemies ever since for, you know, WWII right where 525 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:33,000 you like have Russia, you know, they do a little bit in South 526 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,900 ossetia and Georgia and that's a huge violation of international 527 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:40,600 World Order, Joe Biden. In is making plans to partition 528 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,200 a rocking like 2009 and then it's not a problem at all. 529 00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:47,000 So, you know, these are kind of the things that you got going 530 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,600 on, Israel's annotation, the creation of South Sudan and 531 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,800 entire new country. The recognition of Morocco's 532 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,500 occupation of Western Sahara, the creation of Kosovo and all 533 00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,100 these things. Right? 534 00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:02,700 Are all examples of the same thing that Russia did but it's 535 00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:07,700 only bad when Russia does it. And they're, oh, the other point 536 00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:11,400 I want to make Is everybody in the west likes to pretend like 537 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,500 oh boy. We're just got to be Neville 538 00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:16,800 Chamberlain and Putin is Hitler. And we're going to appease him 539 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,000 until it's too late. When, you know, if you look at 540 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,600 it. I think Putin has a much 541 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,800 stronger case to make that he's been Neville Chamberlain and 542 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,200 making appeasement and that it's his country that has put itself 543 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:35,300 in a security detriment in, in an effort to prevent any kind of 544 00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:40,700 major outbreak accomplished. I mean, could you imagine after 545 00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:46,800 all we heard for years about Putin and Russia are basically 546 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,500 determining American elections and their kin. 547 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,100 They're controlling the president of America and it was 548 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:55,400 all these vagaries. But when it comes to the coup in 549 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,300 2014 and Ukraine, you have John McCain, the presidential 550 00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:03,200 candidate on the ground, in Ukraine, making speeches in 551 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,400 support of overthrowing that government. 552 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,600 I mean, with all this election in Ference. 553 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,700 It's so clear that the US wanted, all the benefits of 554 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:16,400 having Ukraine on their side without having to bear the cost 555 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,700 because to have them as a NATO member. 556 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,600 I mean, I think zielinski asked in what was the lynskey, made it 557 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,600 clear in gosh. I'm losing the date. 558 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,500 On this June 14. 2012. He won zielinski says, of 559 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:33,400 course, we'd like to become a member of NATO. 560 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,800 It's stipulated in Ukraine's Constitution, so it'd be a big 561 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,300 liability for them to be. Supposedly part of it. 562 00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:42,000 But still they have a coup in which they're they're cheering 563 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,200 on. I mean, it's like Putin's 564 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,300 besties supporting a crew, a coup in Canada. 565 00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:52,800 And then I mean, it's just so unbelievable that they're 566 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,200 playing. I can't think of a better 567 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,100 example than Russian Roulette is just coming to mind. 568 00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:00,600 But it's like they're playing Russian roulette with millions 569 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,800 of lives here over this border dispute in in the freaking 570 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:10,699 donbas and any final thoughts. On the donbas and what's going 571 00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:12,500 on there. And maybe giving us a better 572 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:17,699 idea of where this donbas verse Ukrainian government thing came 573 00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:22,600 from, and where it's going. Oh, man, there's a lot there, 574 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,300 boy. So I think the NATO membership 575 00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:29,000 is like, probably the most important thing, right? 576 00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:32,600 That's probably pune's strongest red line here. 577 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,300 I mean, I think you were really like to have the the missile 578 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:40,800 defense systems out of you, Poland and Romania, but that the 579 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,000 NATO membership was huge. Now the most important thing for 580 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,199 everybody to know is Ukraine was never going to become a NATO 581 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,600 member state for a Entry to become a NATO member state. 582 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,300 It has to get the approval of every other NATO member State. 583 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:57,900 And it doesn't matter how trivial another country's 584 00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:01,000 objections are. They could block any other state 585 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,300 from joining. For example, Greece blocks North 586 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:07,300 Macedonia from joining NATO until they changed their name. 587 00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:09,800 To make it more clear that their name. 588 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,100 Didn't suggest that they could have any potential future claim 589 00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:18,200 to the Greek Republica like State Republic of Macedonia. 590 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,500 Right? Like that. 591 00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:21,700 That's the The level that you know, we're talking about that 592 00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:23,800 you could like raise an objection to block another 593 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,100 country from joining. And so Germany and France have 594 00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:29,600 made it very clear from the start that they really don't 595 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,500 want Ukraine in NATO hell, even the Ukrainian people don't 596 00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:35,700 really pull all that in favor of NATO. 597 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:40,600 And so, yeah, so that's a real important point to their 598 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,500 standards that country has to make. 599 00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,500 It actually has to be a democracy and Ukraine really 600 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:49,300 isn't in part, because a huge portion of the country lives in 601 00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:51,600 areas that At the Ukrainian government claims, but they 602 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,200 don't control and so those people don't vote at all. 603 00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:59,200 You just also have light the fat that major party in Ukraine is 604 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,400 the sobota party and, you know, has Nazi ideology like that's 605 00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:07,200 going to be an issue for some NATO member states and then the 606 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,000 corruption problem. They don't meet any of the 607 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,600 corruption needs and reforms and there are no where near a path 608 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,600 to. And so even, you know, if 609 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,400 Ukraine was really all they want to do is join NATO and we're 610 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,500 really trying. To do like reforms and get 611 00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:23,300 there. I think it was still be like a 612 00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:26,300 decade and Joe Biden has made that point clear. 613 00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:29,300 That Ukraine is not joining NATO, anytime in the next 614 00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:32,600 decade. However, rather than just taking 615 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,800 NATO membership off the table for Ukraine, because it's never 616 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,000 going to be an 80 State. Because, I think the fundamental 617 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,400 issue is that NATO countries, understand that article 5 of the 618 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,400 NATO treaty says that, if one member is attached, all members 619 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,400 are attached to you respond. Yeah, I think there's going to 620 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,700 be NATO member states like particularly France and Germany 621 00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,500 which have large armies. Like, you know, some of these 622 00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:01,400 really small states might not really object-- just because 623 00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:03,800 they can really contribute anything to the fight. 624 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,400 Anyways, like Montenegro. But Germany and France will be 625 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,000 called to. And they will lose a significant 626 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,700 amount troops fighting for Ukraine and there, they just 627 00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:14,500 don't want to do that. And so they would never allow 628 00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:20,700 them into NATO, right? So rather than just, Making that 629 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:27,200 explicitly clear that you know, NATO is North Atlantic and Asia 630 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,100 is pretty far from the Atlantic. It's so you know that that is 631 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:33,100 where we're talking. We're almost in Asia. 632 00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:36,800 We're talking about here with Ukraine and with Georgia we are 633 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,900 and to just say that you know, you know, we're not going to 634 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:42,400 have these countries in NATO and just what would have probably 635 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,900 prevented this Invasion from happening and so the Ukrainian 636 00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:48,900 government double Downing on that in January after one of 637 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:51,200 their diplomats. Are you? 638 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,800 I think maybe it was a UK, official and met with the 639 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,400 Ukrainian official then say, I, you know, maybe they're willing 640 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,400 to wiggle on this and they said, no, you know, we still really 641 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,400 want to join NATO. Now, the bigger problem is, I 642 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,400 think the buying them is tration, really started to treat 643 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,500 Ukraine. As a de facto NATO member, they 644 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,800 constantly every day. There's somebody in the binder 645 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,900 ministration saying we are committed to Ukraine's. 646 00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:18,200 Territorial integrity and sovereignty. 647 00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:19,800 What does that sound like to you? 648 00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:22,000 Keith. That sounds like to me, that is 649 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000 somebody invades Ukraine. The u.s. 650 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,200 Is going to try to stop them. So that kind of sounds like what 651 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,100 happens when the country's the NATO member. 652 00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,700 So, you know, kind making them de facto NATO members, also the 653 00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:35,500 u.s. Really has ramped up in the past 654 00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:37,800 few years. It's deployment of weapon 655 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,300 systems to Ukraine, including turkey, giving Ukraine, there 656 00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:49,100 tb2 armed drones which had been significant on battlefields in 657 00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:52,500 nagorno-karabakh. Bond and take great Ethiopia. 658 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,700 And so, you know, these are significant Weapons Systems. 659 00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:59,400 Right to give armed armed drone, said country, that operate 660 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,700 fairly. Well, the US has been giving 661 00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:06,200 them Javelin missiles which are fairly Advanced anti-armor, you 662 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,800 know, different, NATO countries have been pouring in 663 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,800 shoulder-fired missiles. I think the polls are giving 664 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,600 them Grand 's and everybody else is giving them Stingers 665 00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:19,700 artillery systems from Germany and Norway. 666 00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:22,700 Way. It just, you know, more and more 667 00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:25,700 weapons flooding into Ukraine. Ukraine was trying to get the 668 00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:29,600 Iron Dome system from Israel. According to Israeli sources. 669 00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:32,800 You know, that this is what happens when you're a NATO 670 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,400 member State 0, the Florida. National Guard was in Ukraine 671 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,800 training, the Ukrainian soldiers, right? 672 00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:44,000 The US has a intelligence operation with the CIA where 673 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,300 they're hiring paramilitaries to train Ukrainian soldiers on, you 674 00:39:49,308 --> 00:39:51,300 know, in certain. Going to see status and things 675 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:53,000 like this. This is a CI ground. 676 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,900 Branch is reported in Yahoo! News, you know, just out there, 677 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,000 you know, they're talking about that. 678 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,300 These are going to be the people that lead the Insurgency against 679 00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:03,900 Russia and that that is. This is probably where I'll get 680 00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:08,100 to my final thought here, which is, you know, I don't know how 681 00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:11,400 much the buying a ministration per vote this but I do think 682 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,000 they saw an opportunity here and willfully. 683 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,200 Chose not to negotiate to exercise. 684 00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:22,500 Our tell more likely lead to the thing that they would get to 685 00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:26,600 exercise the opportunity in the light of a Russian invasion, to 686 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,400 basically turn Ukraine into the Nets Afghanistan. 687 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,200 And the most disgusting part about this is, of course, is 688 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:38,000 that everybody has got like, Jen Rubin has the Ukrainian flag in 689 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,700 her bio and things like that. But this is this, that they are 690 00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:46,900 sacrificed to Ukraine on the altar of NATO, right? 691 00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:49,700 They are fighting the Russians to the last Ukrainian. 692 00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:53,800 Diablo 2 Putin because they want dead Russian soldiers is very 693 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,100 clear. If you watch anybody in the 694 00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:58,400 media, anytime they talk about Russian soldiers being killed 695 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,800 there, talking about it with Glee, right? 696 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,500 And in a sense like, you know, they are innovating Army and 697 00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:06,500 things like that. But at the same time, like this 698 00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:10,000 is what they want right there. Like this is the points to, and 699 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,800 it doesn't matter how many you ukrainians died. 700 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,100 Even Jake Sullivan, the National Security advisor, not that long 701 00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:19,700 ago, was saying that look, this is going to be terrible for the 702 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,800 Iranians. But it's going to be a loss for 703 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,400 Russia to and so I think that's a lot of the thinking here. 704 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,900 You got Victoria nuland in the administration. 705 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,600 You got, you know, my friend the host of the around the Empire 706 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,500 podcast, Joanne Leone show me this clip of the venue has been 707 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:41,400 new Burzynski the, the former National Security advisor and 708 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,200 you know, a leading foreign policy, establishment thought 709 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,800 leader in the United States, right? 710 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,700 Like he has acolytes, who are in the biochemistry. 711 00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:52,900 And things like that. He's talking about how great it 712 00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:56,300 would be to have Russia engaged in street by street fighting in 713 00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:58,500 Ukraine, right? That this is going to be 714 00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:01,800 something that really deals a blow to the Ukrainian Army. 715 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:05,700 This is, this is crazy stuff that we're talking about here. 716 00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:09,000 And I'm not saying that I know, for sure that's what happened. 717 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,900 But I have a very strong suspicion that the Biden 718 00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:16,400 Administration was at least more willing to allow this conflict 719 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,600 to happen because at least parts of the Raishin thought it would 720 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,400 be a good thing for America to fight Russia, to the last 721 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,600 Ukrainian. And that's, that's the really 722 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,800 disgusting policy that we're talking about here. 723 00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:31,900 We'll even people like Gideon Rose. 724 00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:36,200 Who was the I think he was a senior editor at foreign affairs 725 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,000 magazine publication of the Council on Foreign Relations 726 00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,500 explicitly like in this funny way. 727 00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:44,900 It's like Ukraine as Putin's girlfriend and we're trying to 728 00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:48,600 steal his girlfriend away as though like millions of lives 729 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,900 are at stake over the territorial Integrity of 730 00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:55,300 countries with regard to Nato expansion. 731 00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:59,400 I mean, they is it correct that they never? 732 00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:03,900 Article 5 until 2001, because that was the research that I 733 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:05,700 found. I don't think they ever did 734 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,300 under. Yeah, I don't think so because I 735 00:43:08,308 --> 00:43:11,300 don't think I don't think they invoke Article Five for the 736 00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:15,900 actions in Kosovo or Libya, but they were Native sponsored 737 00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:19,500 actions. Well, I mean, if you just that, 738 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:22,500 almost tells you everything you need to know, they hubris and 739 00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:26,600 lack of humility. They spent 20 years to give 740 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,300 Afghanistan to the Taliban after 11 days. 741 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,900 And now they want to take on nuclear Russia, who I mean, it 742 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:38,600 certainly looks like they have a positive relationship with China 743 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,700 when it comes to Putin and G meeting. 744 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,800 So what we're going to take on Russia, Iran and China over the 745 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,100 donbas region of Ukraine after we just lost Afghanistan. 746 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,800 Absolutely sickening Stowe, just real quick on the the this point 747 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,000 belt. I watch them Fox News, right? 748 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,300 Because they do have a guy in Kiev who at least is giving some 749 00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:04,500 updates and things like that, but they have on some guests and 750 00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:08,300 the guess is saying that are, do you know who was there for 751 00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:11,200 America? After 9/11, and I get all the 752 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,500 side, I get big grin on my face because I know that the first 753 00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:16,900 world leader to call America George Bush. 754 00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:21,000 After 9/11, was Vladimir Putin, and he said, whatever you need 755 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,000 like to facilitate like the invasion of Afghanistan. 756 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,200 Like he offered up some old Soviet bases in the, in Central 757 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,400 Asia, so Apply lines and things like that. 758 00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:37,900 And he goes NATO, was there for America and that's why it's bad 759 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,600 NATO to Ukraine and is what does what does he have to do with 760 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,600 Afghanistan? Right? 761 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,100 Like, if that's the example that you're using like and and that's 762 00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:51,600 just like one example of how a historical all the media 763 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,300 coverage has been on all of this. 764 00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:56,800 It's just like it. No, no concept of what has 765 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,400 happened in recent history over the past, you know. 766 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,600 Thirty years or you no longer than that. 767 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,400 Even like the fact that the last time they provoked an F. 768 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,100 Well, I guess they were calling Afghanistan run the Soviets 769 00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,400 Vietnam bat then but over a million Afghans died. 770 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,800 So do you really want to do that to Ukraine? 771 00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:20,100 Just finishing off with a quote from Frederick the great, which 772 00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:23,100 feels belittling calling him, Frederick the great, but you get 773 00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:25,800 what I'm saying. He who wants to defend 774 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,800 everything defends nothing, and he who wants to be. 775 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,700 Everyone's friend has no friends in the end. 776 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,800 Thank you for watching. Keep my don't write on anyone 777 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,100 and the libertarian Institute Kyle anzalone. 778 00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:37,200 Thank you for your time, brother. 779 00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:38,500 Thank you, Keith.