1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,500 Welcome to Keith's night, don't tread on anyone any libertarian 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,700 Institute podcast today. I am joined by Kristin Hawkins. 3 00:00:07,700 --> 00:00:11,700 She is the president of students for Life action and students for 4 00:00:11,700 --> 00:00:13,700 life. She is also the host of the 5 00:00:13,700 --> 00:00:17,500 explicitly pro-life podcast. Find are a Christian. 6 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:21,800 Hawkins.com links will be in the description below Miss Hawkins. 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,600 Thank you so much for your time. Thanks for having me today. 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:30,000 Key, of course, I saw so many of your videos on YouTube, so I I 9 00:00:30,008 --> 00:00:33,600 wanted to give you what I have found to be the top 10 most 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,500 compelling pro choice questions. Now, before we get into that, 11 00:00:38,500 --> 00:00:42,000 you had a great question, where you would ask someone to explain 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,600 what an abortion is. And it was interesting that this 13 00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:49,500 pro-choice Advocate was not able to Define it to which I said, 14 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:52,200 well maybe I need to embrace some humility. 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,000 Maybe I don't know what it is. Please tell us before we go 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,100 through the argument. So we're on the same page. 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,900 What does it mean to have an abortion? 18 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:02,900 Sure, well, there's different types of abortion depending on 19 00:01:02,900 --> 00:01:06,700 the development of the child, how old the child is in utero. 20 00:01:06,700 --> 00:01:09,800 The most common type of abortion is committed in the first 21 00:01:09,808 --> 00:01:14,200 trimester and that type of abortion will either be used 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:20,600 would be a D&C procedure, a dilation and curettage procedure 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:27,600 suction abortion or an abortion pill would be used pills would 24 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,800 be used to and the Pregnancy and end the life of the child didn't 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:38,400 see seizure. Where a looped shape curette is 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,700 inserted into the woman's vagina into the birth canal into the 27 00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:46,000 uterus. And it is used to scrape the 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,500 lining of the uterus, where the new organ, that is forming the, 29 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:54,000 the child actually self directs. The placenta, and the child is 30 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,000 attached to the uterine wall. And this removes the child from 31 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,100 the uterine wall. And then the abortionist is able 32 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:05,500 to just basically, you know, shove the pieces of the placenta 33 00:02:05,500 --> 00:02:09,000 and the child out section aspiration abortion, they use a 34 00:02:09,008 --> 00:02:12,600 long shaped cannula. It's about 12 times more 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,100 powerful than that, your household, vacuum cleaner 36 00:02:16,100 --> 00:02:21,000 suction. Same idea, it can be like goes 37 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,300 up through the mother's birth canal into the uterus. 38 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,300 And the child, and the placenta is just sucked out. 39 00:02:29,300 --> 00:02:34,200 The abortion pill with the chemical pill abortions, these 40 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,400 are very dangerous abortions. This is something that the 41 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,100 abortion industry has been really using covid as excuse to 42 00:02:40,100 --> 00:02:44,000 push through and with the help of the by Administration. 43 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,300 They've been able to take all the risk evaluation mitigation 44 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:49,500 strategies away from these pills. 45 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:52,200 This is something that Bill Clinton and his administration 46 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,800 had assigned with the use of these pills because they have 47 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,700 been linked to death in women. These are now the most And type 48 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:03,800 of first trimester abortion. The first pill is taken supposed 49 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,800 to be taken in the abortion clinic after the abortion is has 50 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,400 confirmed pregnancy since December. 51 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,100 That doesn't the case. They don't even have to confirm 52 00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:15,200 that she's pregnant. They don't even have to confirm 53 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,500 the location of the pregnancy to make sure she's not experiencing 54 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,500 a life-threatening Atomic pregnancy. 55 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:22,300 She can take the first pill at home. 56 00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:26,100 The first pill, starves a child. It stops progesterone. 57 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:29,200 The hormone from getting to the child. 58 00:03:29,300 --> 00:03:31,500 Tool which allows the child to grow. 59 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:35,600 And then the second pill is taken a few days later that is a 60 00:03:35,608 --> 00:03:38,800 pill that basically starts the abortion and starts, the 61 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,000 contractions from happens from the starts to contractions and 62 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:50,100 over a period of days and weeks. She has the abortion at home and 63 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:53,000 we call them toilet bowl abortions because she is advised 64 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:58,100 by the abortion clinic to when she gets really heavy, cramping 65 00:03:58,100 --> 00:04:01,300 and bleeding. To go on the toilet bowl, not to 66 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:05,100 look and to keep flushing. So that's the first trimester 67 00:04:05,100 --> 00:04:10,100 second trimester abortions, rd&e dilation, and evacuation 68 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:12,700 abortions. They also stay still have that 69 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:16,399 correct, that Loop shaped device but what they first they do 70 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:20,700 after softening the cervix they can go into the cervix with the 71 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:26,900 stone for clamp and this clamp goes in and grabs pieces of the 72 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:29,200 child, the child is in breech position. 73 00:04:29,300 --> 00:04:31,900 Position. So the feet are grabbed first, 74 00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:37,400 so I'll leg a leg arm and arm, then the the trunk. 75 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:42,600 So the midsection of a child and the abortionist device to grasp 76 00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:48,500 the feet, apart twist and Pull, and then finally, the head will 77 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:52,100 be the last part and so that is actually how the child is 78 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,600 literally dismembered in these types of abortions. 79 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:58,300 And you don't have to believe me, you can go to National 80 00:04:58,300 --> 00:05:01,400 Abortion Federation. Up until I know a couple years 81 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,400 ago at the last time I was on their website, they actually 82 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,900 spelled out how to commit these abortions right on their website 83 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,600 after that after these you know what, they think, all the parts 84 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,800 are pulled out of the mother. The child is dismembered. 85 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:20,500 They insert the curette scrape, the lining of the uterus and the 86 00:05:20,500 --> 00:05:23,200 goal is to make sure they get the placenta and then the other 87 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,000 parts of the child to reduce the risk of sepsis or infection. 88 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,100 That's a second trimester abortion. 89 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:32,800 The third trimester abortions, do happen. 90 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,400 Some people it's funny on campuses will like to argue with 91 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,900 me the third trimester abortions, don't happen. 92 00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:43,700 But I literally know the people who do them, I can tell you 93 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:45,100 where their abortion facilities are. 94 00:05:45,100 --> 00:05:50,700 You can go to Google and type in 9 months or eight months 95 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:53,900 abortion and you will find dr. William Hearn and folder. 96 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:56,700 There's a Clinic Southwest women's in Albuquerque. 97 00:05:56,700 --> 00:06:00,200 New Mexico. There's There's dr. 98 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,600 Carhart, who's outside of Omaha and outside of Washington, d.c. 99 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,900 these abortions. The most common type of abortion 100 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:13,400 for a third trimester now is we call them hardtack abortions 101 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,900 using ultrasound guided technology. 102 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:20,400 The abortionist will try to get as close to the hardest possible 103 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:24,600 and they have a syringe long needle, very similar to the 104 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,800 needle to use an amniocentesis and they will inject Potassium 105 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,900 chloride or drug called digoxin into the child. 106 00:06:34,900 --> 00:06:39,100 The goal of which is to produce a cardiac arrest, a heart attack 107 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:41,800 that the child. After that is done. 108 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,400 They will insert seaweed sticks live area into a woman's vagina 109 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,000 to soften her uterus. I'm sorry. 110 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,800 Her birth canal and her cervix, and she will go back to the 111 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,900 abortion facility, two to three days after. 112 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:02,300 And then, The thought being that her cervix is ripe and then they 113 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:04,900 can just kind of pull the child out. 114 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:10,500 She will deliver a dead child. That is the most common today 115 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,700 version of how they commit. A third trimester abortion. 116 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,800 Let's get into the top 10 pro-choice claims. 117 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,900 Here, her body. Her choice. 118 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:25,400 A woman is an autonomous being and bodily. 119 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,200 Autonomy is a basic human, right? 120 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,600 A fetus. Which is Only dependent on the 121 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,100 mother for sustenance has yet to acquire bodily autonomy. 122 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:37,900 As it cannot self-govern due to this dependence. 123 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:41,900 A fetus is not its own being her body, her choice. 124 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:47,400 What do you say? It's always funny how people who 125 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:53,800 constantly demand that we follow the science or that we don't 126 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,300 follow the science but yet when it comes to this actual 127 00:07:58,300 --> 00:08:03,800 argument, literally deny the science literally, deny that a 128 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:10,000 child is, in fact, it's Unique, whole human being that has its 129 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,500 own body. And actually, you could argue 130 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:16,000 has its own Autonomy for their body. 131 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,900 Yes. The child's body is located 132 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:26,100 inside of her body but he or she has her own bodily autonomy. 133 00:08:26,500 --> 00:08:31,800 This is a medical fact that the child is actually a separate. 134 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,200 Individual is separate human being with his or her own sex, 135 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:40,000 his or her own DNA, his, or her own blood type. 136 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:44,400 You know, when I was pregnant with my children with my Boys, I 137 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:51,200 suddenly did not become a man, Even though inside of my room, 138 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:56,500 there were growing male genitalia that my body didn't 139 00:08:56,500 --> 00:09:02,100 change my child's body was developing into a male body, 140 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,400 this doesn't work at all. And when he often you hear this 141 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:11,900 argument from those who advocate for abortion, they're using it 142 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:15,400 simply to say a woman can do. Anything she wants with her 143 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,600 body, which actually is not true. 144 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,500 We don't actually accept that across our country as well. 145 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,600 You know, my children have some, you know, life-threatening 146 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,000 genetic illnesses. You cannot go into a pulmonary 147 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,500 Ward, a children's hospital and start smoking and say, well, 148 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:36,200 it's my body, my choice. No. 149 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:39,400 Because when you start taking actions, if your body that 150 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,200 threatened the lives of other bodies, the government has said, 151 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:45,600 Yeah, yeah we can stop you from doing that. 152 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:53,500 Also this idea that the fetus can't self gutter govern doesn't 153 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:57,100 actually hold a weight unless you're willing to accept that. 154 00:09:57,100 --> 00:10:01,500 Infanticide should also be legal because the moment he or she 155 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:06,500 emerges from the birth canal. Do you think the fetus now the 156 00:10:06,500 --> 00:10:11,700 infant can now self-govern, what has changed? 157 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:16,200 All that has changed in on. Child is their location that, 158 00:10:16,300 --> 00:10:20,800 that little boy, or girl is still completely dependent on 159 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,100 their mother for survival. And the mother would be held at 160 00:10:25,100 --> 00:10:28,500 that point criminally liable for a child's death. 161 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:32,700 If she neglects the responsibilities towards caring 162 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:38,300 for her child or fails to place her child with an adoptive 163 00:10:38,300 --> 00:10:43,100 family or utilizes Safe Haven laws which allow her to freely 164 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:46,400 Lee, give her child to State authorities. 165 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,500 No questions asked. Pro-choice claim number two. 166 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,700 What we're dealing with is mostly first, trimester 167 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:57,400 abortions in which this child you. 168 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,500 Speak of is really just a microscopic clump of cells, not 169 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:04,000 a living breathing. Human being with thoughts, 170 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:09,300 emotions, goals and desires. There for an abortion is not 171 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:14,600 killing a person. Mmm, being human is the only 172 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,800 criteria that makes sense for you having the right. 173 00:11:18,900 --> 00:11:23,900 Life protected and adjust society and it becomes very much 174 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:27,600 a slippery slope. When you start saying you have 175 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:33,300 to be human, plus you have to be a human being and have this 176 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:35,600 quality or this functional ability. 177 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:40,400 When you start saying that you start eliminating other groups 178 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,700 of human beings who have already been born and you don't have to 179 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:48,300 look very far back in the history of our world even in the 180 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:52,400 history of Our nation to see one, it wasn't enough just to be 181 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,900 a human being, but if you are a human being and your skin was 182 00:11:56,900 --> 00:12:01,200 darker than others somehow that justified, their people being 183 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:06,200 allowed to own you or in history when we look back to the 184 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:12,300 disabled saying if well you're a human but your IQ level Falls 185 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:18,700 below this number therefore that gives the state the right. 186 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:21,900 To do a hysterectomy on you without you or your parents 187 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:24,700 consent so you can never procreate. 188 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,000 We have all uniformly as a society said, those things were 189 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,500 wrong and we should never go back to that those moments. 190 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:39,500 But that's exactly what we do when it comes to the preborn 191 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,900 fundamentally at the moment of conception, when the egg from 192 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:47,300 the mother and the sperm from the father, unite to those are 193 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:52,500 two parts and then Those two parts, unite a whole unique 194 00:12:52,500 --> 00:12:54,800 human being comes into existence. 195 00:12:55,100 --> 00:12:57,900 That's never existed before and will never exist. 196 00:12:57,900 --> 00:13:00,600 Again, with a wholly unique, DNA code. 197 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,700 That is the moment that human life begins. 198 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:09,300 Its any moment when your human life began and to start saying, 199 00:13:09,300 --> 00:13:13,500 well, you have to be able to breathe or you have to be able 200 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:17,200 to experience a certain emotion, or you have to be able to have 201 00:13:17,300 --> 00:13:20,300 certain thoughts. That's not much different from 202 00:13:20,308 --> 00:13:23,400 saying you have to have a certain skin color or a certain 203 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:28,100 sexual orientation or certain level liability or an IQ. 204 00:13:28,100 --> 00:13:32,200 The preborn child is a human being is a member of our 205 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,100 species. That's really, the only box that 206 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:38,900 needs to be checked. Forcing a child into the world 207 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:44,400 to unwanted parents will lead to mass misery and much more crime 208 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,600 than what otherwise exist because parents aren't there to 209 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:54,700 properly rear the Old. The solution to suffering has 210 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:59,300 never been to eliminate the potential sufferer it's to 211 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:06,300 mitigate the suffering. I would say a society where it's 212 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:12,600 simply a status quo to kill someone who we deem might suffer 213 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:17,000 or who are data or stats might say. 214 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:23,600 Or might indicate that my read a criminal Enterprise at one point 215 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:26,900 my end up in jail. I think that's going to lead to 216 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:30,900 a more miserable society as a whole. 217 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:34,700 And I think that gets once again into a very slippery slope. 218 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:39,500 And I think this is really, this is B, this is framed a lot as 219 00:14:39,500 --> 00:14:45,400 compassion that we are so compassionate as a society that 220 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:50,000 we have decided who is going to suffer and therefore we are just 221 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,800 going to Snuff them out of existence. 222 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:56,900 Distance before they're born. I think this is a really veiled 223 00:14:56,900 --> 00:15:02,200 way of abdicating responsibility and it's really quite frankly 224 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,100 laziness to say we're just going to absolve ourselves of the 225 00:15:07,108 --> 00:15:13,100 responsibility to seek social justice with some with a family, 226 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:16,300 or a woman or child. We're going to absolve ourselves 227 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:21,700 responsibility to fix this problem by just killing you. 228 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:23,800 And Nothing you out of existence. 229 00:15:25,300 --> 00:15:29,100 Mandating that a woman needs to be a mother if she doesn't want 230 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:33,200 to is equivalent to enslaving. Her slavery is a moral. 231 00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:36,500 There for forcing a woman to have a baby and perform at least 232 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:40,300 18 years of labor for the child is akin to forced labor and 233 00:15:40,300 --> 00:15:43,800 slavery. Sorry I'm going to try not to 234 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,000 laugh at you. Okay, so the this is really 235 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,700 interesting because unless you're lecture talking about 236 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:57,800 cases of sexual assault which one percent of all abortions are 237 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:02,400 committed because of sexual assault or incest or because the 238 00:16:02,408 --> 00:16:06,600 life of the mother as at stake, which I always find to be, you 239 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,800 know, interesting because they always bring me this, these 240 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,100 cases up. Justifying their extremist views 241 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:17,300 for a hundred percent of all abortions, but I've never found 242 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:20,400 anyone to say. Yes, I'm just a favor of 243 00:16:20,408 --> 00:16:23,600 abortion, just these terrible circumstances but everything 244 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,400 else, I will work with you to ban abortion. 245 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,800 No, one ever says that the leftist uses these terrible 246 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,400 circumstances, these extreme circumstances to justify a 247 00:16:33,408 --> 00:16:34,900 hundred percent of all abortions. 248 00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:37,600 And so we hear this female slavery. 249 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,600 Are you it sometimes. But unless you're talking about 250 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,600 sexual assault, let you talk thing about incest, you're 251 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:50,400 talking about a woman who has engaged in a behavior that the 252 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,400 natural biological consequences are the creation of a unique old 253 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,000 human being. I talked a lot about taking 254 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,800 responsibility on campuses that, you know. 255 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:06,099 No one in the pro-life movement, you know, ever argues or 256 00:17:06,099 --> 00:17:10,200 advocates for limiting, how many people you can have sex with or 257 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,700 what type of sex you can have. Our argument is that if you 258 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:19,200 engage and heterosexual sex that you acknowledge your engaging in 259 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:24,000 a behavior that has consequences and one of those consequences 260 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,600 can be the creation of a unique, whole living human being. 261 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,800 And I think that's, that's a really important point there, 262 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:37,000 there's also important point that no pro-life or is 263 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:43,300 advocating that a woman before stew parent her Child every 264 00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:46,500 single state has a safe haven law that which allows a mother 265 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:51,000 to surrender her child within a certain time period after birth 266 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,900 that time period varies from state to state can be 48 Hours, 267 00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:59,300 72 hours, you were longer with no questions asked, no criminal 268 00:17:59,300 --> 00:18:02,700 repercussions. If she doesn't want to utilize a 269 00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:06,300 stay safe haven law. She also has a option of 270 00:18:06,308 --> 00:18:11,600 creating a closed adoption plan. Where a child is adopted into a 271 00:18:11,608 --> 00:18:16,400 family. And she will never ever be, can 272 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,100 be in contact with that child or the child's family. 273 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:22,700 Again, she can also make an open adoption plan where she places a 274 00:18:22,708 --> 00:18:26,000 child with a family of her choice and can actually remain 275 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,000 active and her baby's life based on conditions that she sets. 276 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:38,600 Aside II, think that that the that is just an argument that is 277 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,400 used to basically get attention and it sir, Only doesn't work 278 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:48,400 when it comes to parents of children who are older than 279 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,200 toddlers. Either, you know, if I decide 280 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,400 that two years old that, my child is too much of a burden. 281 00:18:55,700 --> 00:19:00,000 I got a new promotion at work. I really just can't handle being 282 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,300 a parent of a toddler anymore. No one would say. 283 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:07,900 I was justified and drowning my toddler in the bathtub. 284 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,300 Everyone would say that was murder. 285 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,000 I could argue that. Forced to be a parent even 286 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,700 though at 2 years old. I decided no more. 287 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:20,300 But the state and our are just society. 288 00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:24,700 Would say, no, you accepted that responsibility and part of 289 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:27,600 responsibility of being a parent is not killing your child. 290 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,500 Abortion will exist either way whether it's legal or illegal. 291 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:36,600 If it's illegal will have back alleys and coat hangers and very 292 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,800 unsafe for both the baby and the woman, but if abortions legal, 293 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:44,700 it will be safe legal and we're actually they've dropped the 294 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:46,600 rare now that it's been 60 million. 295 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,400 So actually, it will be much safer for the woman, both 296 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,000 mentally and the child. It'll be quick and over there 297 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,500 for abortion should be legal. Yeah. 298 00:19:57,500 --> 00:20:00,600 I mean at first I'd say this logic is very inconsistent. 299 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:04,800 I don't see the abortion Lobby calling for rape or murder or 300 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:08,900 bank robbery to be decriminalized even though it 301 00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:12,800 would be more convenient and it would spare the lives of the 302 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,000 perpetrators. The whole point of laws is to 303 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,800 protect the victim who could otherwise you know who those 304 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,700 otherwise would violate them. You know bank robbery is a 305 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:31,200 High-risk Perfection, if you choose to be a bank robber. 306 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:35,400 But no one says well we need to make it legal so bank robbers, 307 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:42,500 don't get killed I would go back to also your myth that legal 308 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:47,500 abortion means safe, abortions or that by making abortion 309 00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:50,300 illegal. The, the the argument we often 310 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:53,200 hear is that tens of thousands of women will die every year 311 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,500 from illegal abortions. We know, From dr. 312 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:59,500 Bernard Nathanson, who was a co-founder of Nay real 313 00:20:59,500 --> 00:21:02,400 pro-choice America, who was an abortionist committing illegal 314 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,200 abortions, in New York state and then late 1960s, New York was 315 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,100 one of the first states to legalize abortion but that is 316 00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:12,800 just a myth that he actually admitted later in life in the 317 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,600 80s which he became pro-life that they made up the myth. 318 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,400 Attend that tens of thousands of women were dying from illegal 319 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,200 abortions but you do have to trust in our Nathanson because 320 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,800 he became pro-life go to Christopher teach Christopher 321 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,000 Keats was planned parenthood's. Very own award-winning, he won 322 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,300 their highest honor the Margaret Sanger of war. 323 00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:33,600 The the award named after the eugenicist, who found a Planned 324 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,400 Parenthood in 1974 for his statistics research. 325 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,900 Christopher teats research, the death rate of women who were 326 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:46,200 seeking legal and illegal abortions in the years before. 327 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,800 And after Roe versus Wade was handed down by seven men in 1973 328 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,800 and his estimation in 1965 the number of women. 329 00:21:55,900 --> 00:22:00,500 And who died from legal and illegal abortions was under 1000 330 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:03,600 women. You have Mary Calderon planned 331 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,900 parenthood's own medical director. 332 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:12,800 In the 1950s, who came out to write that her estimation ninety 333 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,800 percent of abortions were being committed by physicians, who she 334 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,500 called in good standing, and their Community. 335 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,800 Meaning, you know, they were Disturbed, Your Family. 336 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,600 Doctor, Who did abortions on the side for his side Hustle, but 337 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,900 didn't advertise it. And both, she and teats wrote In 338 00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:31,400 the late 40s and 50s. That, you know, the threat for 339 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,400 women dying from abortions, was actually very low because of the 340 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,900 invention of penicillin antibiotics, because the highest 341 00:22:38,900 --> 00:22:42,900 risks of two women, especially before Altra sounds was 342 00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:46,500 infection or sepsis Final question. 343 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:49,000 Thank you so much for being generous with your time, Miss 344 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,200 Hawkins. If a woman is raped, let's say 345 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,500 well, this is about one percent of abortions. 346 00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:56,600 Okay. Well then we could still say 347 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,800 this is a lot of potential suffering and this poor woman. 348 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:05,200 Now, sits for months on end with this rapists, baby in her 349 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,500 stomach who she's now giving birth to this is one of the 350 00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:12,500 worst case scenario. What if a woman is raped then is 351 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:18,900 abortion morally Justified. Hmm rapist, a horrific crime and 352 00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:22,700 rapists should be found and they should be punished to the 353 00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:26,800 fullest extent of the law if she is raped. 354 00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:33,100 She's going to need two things, support and Justice support. 355 00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:34,400 She's going to need in every way. 356 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,300 Emotional physical, psychological because rape is a 357 00:23:38,308 --> 00:23:39,900 horrific trauma. It's one. 358 00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:41,900 I want to wish on my worst enemy. 359 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,600 It's a crime to violate a woman's body. 360 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:48,800 And also it's a crime to make her pregnant without her consent 361 00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:53,000 and the pro-life movement does stand ready to support women who 362 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,200 survived sexual assault. If you research the pro-life 363 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:02,000 movement, you know, we have more than 3000 pregnancies, help 364 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,400 centers of already in existence, have been supported and staying 365 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,800 in our communities for nearly 50 years. 366 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,600 Abortion, you know, simply gets rid of the evidence of the 367 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,000 crime. It gets rid of the inconvenience 368 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,000 of having to stand with her and support her for extended 369 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,600 periods. And I actually find this to be a 370 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:28,000 very lazy argument from the left that. 371 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,200 Oh, she's raped. You can just have an abortion 372 00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:35,400 having an abortion isn't going to end the trauma that she's 373 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,200 endured, right? This is a lifelong pain that she 374 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,300 will experience but it's almost like it's almost like a check, 375 00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:45,200 the box. Of all. 376 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,400 Yeah, I help women. Who have been raped. 377 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,900 I've advocated for abortion, there you go done, I've done my 378 00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:55,200 social justice work, I have I've stood in solidarity with her, I 379 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,000 think it's real easy to push another act of violence upon a 380 00:24:59,008 --> 00:25:04,000 woman who's just experienced an act of violence and because it's 381 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,500 not going to make her forget about her rape, it's only going 382 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:12,100 to have her, you know, pushing her into the hands of an 383 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:14,600 abortionist who profits off of her despair. 384 00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:20,100 So we financially profits from that it will only make her 385 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:22,900 question and wonder for the rest of her life. 386 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,700 Who her child could have been the other thing. 387 00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:27,800 She's going to need Beyond supporters Justice. 388 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,400 She needs a perpetrator, be punished to the fullest extent 389 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,800 of the law. You know, I find it ironic that 390 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,800 the Supreme Court doesn't allow even rapist to receive the death 391 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,700 penalty. Not even child rapist. 392 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:49,100 But yet the child is put to death for the crimes of his 393 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:52,300 father that doesn't make logical sense. 394 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:56,600 If you think about my father, my father would go out today and 395 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,500 commit a rape or commit. An act of terrorism. 396 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:05,000 There would be no one in our society on CNN, or MSNBC, or 397 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,700 maybe MSNBC. But no, one in a logical society 398 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:11,900 would argue that I or my sister should be put to death for my 399 00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:14,400 father's crimes. And when I bring that up, Tap on 400 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,500 campuses students in the lately, go back to of course not. 401 00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:21,300 No one would argue that. And I said well why, why can't 402 00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:23,600 you argue that? I should be put to death for my 403 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,900 father's crimes and they was and they say well it's because 404 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,600 you're a you're a living breathing human being and so 405 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,900 that question always goes back to what is it, what is a child 406 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:37,900 in that in the womb? Is it simply a clump of alien 407 00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:40,300 cells? Or is it a member of our 408 00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:43,800 species, that deserves protection and thirdly, I would 409 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:49,200 say That I would say, beyond the support and the Justice, I think 410 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,800 it's a very regressive you to hold that because someone was 411 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,200 conceived in rape, therefore, they're less valuable. 412 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,900 I just had a good friend of mine Ryan, bomber on my podcast, the 413 00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:03,900 other week, he was conceived in rape. 414 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:07,900 His mother courageously chose to place him with an adoptive 415 00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:10,900 family. He considers his mother who he's 416 00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:15,400 never met doesn't know hero. No, but I think it's actually a 417 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,600 regressive you because if you were just thinking about the 418 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,900 abyss dealer day, like there was a period in time in our world 419 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,000 that if you were conceived out of wedlock, you were a bastard. 420 00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:30,000 You couldn't inherit property. You couldn't do certain things. 421 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,600 You can't be at certain places because you are who your father 422 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,600 was and who your father was married to at the time, you were 423 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,300 conceived. This is exactly what we're 424 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:44,000 literally seeing argued on MSNBC and CNN, right? 425 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,900 Now, as we await the pending Dobbs decision, is that children 426 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:53,000 conceived in rape, and by the way, there are thousands of the 427 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,000 view is that like every single woman who gets who's rate 428 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,100 suddenly gets pregnant, that's not true about five percent of 429 00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:03,800 women who are ready to survive, rape become pregnant half of 430 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,100 those women actually choose life. 431 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,700 So there are literally tens of thousands of people walking 432 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:12,900 around here in America today, who were conceived a rape who 433 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,000 we're literally Doing their lives. 434 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Don't have any value. Excellent work, I definitely 435 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,000 recommend people. Check out Kristen Hawkins.com, 436 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,800 the podcast is explicitly pro-life you'll get excellent 437 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,200 gems. Like a very confident college 438 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,900 student coming up saying, why don't you focus on these women 439 00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:39,100 who are already in shelters and Miss Hawkins will just say, is 440 00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:40,900 it all right? That the American Diabetes 441 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:44,400 Association, doesn't focus on cancer and then the student will 442 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,300 be humbled for the first time in their life. 443 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:49,700 Coming up with the with something they haven't heard 444 00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:52,100 before, links will be in the description below. 445 00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:55,300 Thanks to everyone for watching the libertarian Institute Miss 446 00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:56,900 Hawkins. Thank you so much for your time. 447 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,300 Thanks for having me. How are you today?