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The Tom Wood Show Hey, 
everybody, welcome back for 

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another episode of The Tom Wood 
Show, episode 24101 with our old

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friend Keith Knight, Managing 
editor at the Libertarian 

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Institute, where I sit on the 
board, by the way, so they have 

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impeccable 
tastelibertarianinstitute.org. 

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Is the website Keith, You Are. 
And again, I maybe I've said 

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this before and my middle-aged 
brain is not good at at 

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remembering things I've said and
done, but I I do not mean this 

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in a patronizing way that that 
you are a genuine up and Comer 

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in the movie. 
In fact, maybe you have already 

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arisen in in the movement. 
But I mean the work you do, the 

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amount of work you do that the 
reading you do, the study, the 

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the time and care that you put 
into everything you do. 

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You are always trying to learn 
more, master more of the 

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material, be able to respond to 
more criticisms. 

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Thank goodness you have that 
energy because this guy no 

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longer does. 
I mean, I, you know, I, I got 

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the Tom Wood show, I'm doing my 
various things. 

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But man, you are like a a guy 
with a mission on fire. 

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And and I'm really glad to see 
it because, you know, after the 

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Ron Paul movement, I thought 
because of all those young 

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people who flocked to him that 
we were going to have like a 

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renaissance of all these young 
articulate people defending our 

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ideas. 
And frankly, that never really 

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panned out. 
I was surprised and disappointed

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at that, but you, my friend, are
an exception to the rule. 

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So welcome back. 
Tom, thank you so much for 

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having me along with the very 
kind intro. 

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I I think the thing that keeps 
me so motivated is just knowing 

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once I learned about opportunity
cost and I really understood the

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cost of me going to school for 
free was actually 12 years of my

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life, 5 hours a day. 
I thought, gosh, when I get on 

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at the institute, I got to make 
sure that anytime someone clicks

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on my stuff, they Start learning
things I wish I would have 

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learned when I was in facts 
class, history class, English 

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class, etcetera. 
So I'm glad to know that it's 

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paying off. 
That's exactly what I try to do,

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exactly what I try to do, and I 
try to meet them where they are 

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by saying, look, I I realize 
that what I'm about to tell you 

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probably sounds a little bit out
there, believe me, I understand 

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that. 
I think if you acknowledge that 

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you're saying things that run 
contrary to what they expect you

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to say, you sound less crazy. 
I I it it kind of bothers me 

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sometimes when people just jump 
right in to, you know, blowing 

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up people's brains, prepare them
for that and say, look, I I used

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to be where you were sitting now
saying, oh, come on, you're full

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of it. 
But, you know, when you start 

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looking at the world the way the
way I do, the way I think you 

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ought to, you'll see things 
quite differently. 

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Also, there's no fluff in what 
you're doing and we're going to 

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get to the substances stuff here
in just a minute here. 

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But it's very important. 
I I want Keith to be an example 

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for the world. 
There's no fluff in what he 

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does. 
I was just listening to the talk

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you gave at Pork Fest and 
there's no fluff it. 

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If anything, it might need a 
little extra fluff because it it

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is just, it is overwhelming the 
amount of data and the the 

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arguments you're making. 
I mean, it's irresistible. 

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I mean it's like you're taking a
baseball bat to every bad 

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argument in the world and just 
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Just when it tries to come out 
for air, you're just smashing it

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and smashing it and smashing it.
I I like that because I don't. 

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I have limited time. 
You know, as you say, 

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opportunity costs are many other
things. 

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I could be learning another 
language. 

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I could be, you know, 
vacationing and doing a lot of 

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things. 
So I want my time to be used 

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value, you know, in a way that 
is of highly value productive 

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for me. 
And when I read your stuff or 

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listen to you, there's no wasted
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Now it is it. 
There's a funny irony about this

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that I'm talking about, how 
there's no wasted time in your 

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material and yet I've completely
wasted the 1st 4 minutes of the 

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sentence. 
Lucky. 

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Let's jump in here. 
So Thomas Soul, do you have to 

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know offhand how old he is now? 
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Oh, he's 93. 
I think it's that I just don't 

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want him to be 93. 
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he's perpetually in his 80s 
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I think when he discontinued his
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in my mind. 
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Now, Doug Gunnit, if when I'm 
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expect serious congratulations. 
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Thomas Sowell. 
I don't want to bother you when 

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you're 93. 
Just just relax. 

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So I have Keith Knight here. 
We're going to talk about it. 

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It's called social justice 
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And man, there are many of them.
And and he's like you, Keith. 

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I mean just brutal, brutal beat 
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apparently it just came out so 
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The great thing about this book 
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started recording, it's a great 
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explain how that is the case. 
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One is a book titled The Civil 
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This is generally the claim that
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Civil Rights Act we saw an 
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After the right Civil Rights Act
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that is the worst year you can 
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year that it starts. 
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was something that grew out of 
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Civil Rights Act, what we have 
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previous decades and ask whether
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already occurring or not. 
So I'd actually asked Larry 

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Elder at Freedom Fest. 
I said, you have so many stats, 

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What's 1 statistic that you 
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And he said, I think I would say
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from the year 1940 to 1960 
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any civil rights legislation, 
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took place. 
That's the most important thing.

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So that is civil rights rhetoric
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He then merges it with two other
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Conflict of Visions. 
That's why social justice 

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fallacies are so good. 
In 140 pages you get like 50 

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years of research and wisdom. 
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Rights Rhetorical Reality. 
It's a book that's not mentioned

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that much. 
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work, they talk about a conflict
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knowledge and decisions, and 
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But Civil Rights Rhetorical 
Reality is a fantastic book and 

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the fact that this summarizes 
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up to date, because that's an 
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very, very valuable. 
And incidentally, I have a 

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review of civil Rights Rhetoric 
reality on Amazon from 2001 that

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I'm very proud of and I just 
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other reviews on there and 
there's a review from 2022 who 

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the entire review is. 
The package was open when I 

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received it. 
That is can you. 

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Why is it that in this day and 
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understand what the point of an 
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I don't care what condition the 
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I mean what kind of a boomer are
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is about the contents of the 
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But anyway, so so let's let's 
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I mean Seoul by the way. 
Seoul had a late talking child 

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and so he wrote a book called 
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He was just that kind of guy. 
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interested in something and then
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on it like he was the world's 
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He's and I also think if that 
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If you want to become a good 
writer, read a lot of Thomas 

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Sowell's prose and you will 
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good writer and to be able to 
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clearly and simply. 
Yeah, definitely. 

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What I love about his ability to
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really gets to it. 
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basically three reasons we 
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rights world view that first, 
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discrimination. 
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justify surrogate decision 
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does make the point that it's 
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surrogate, it's a coercive 
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So that is really important. 
He says that there's three 

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things that we need to look at 
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idea that the problems of today 
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referred to by social justice 
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slavery. 
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should be skeptical is a lot of 
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attributed to the black 
community do not apply to blacks

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who are immigrants to America. 
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a selection process. 
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lottery or anything random, but 
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racists in America, you would 
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pick and choose which blacks to 
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not they are immigrants or were 
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how to interact with them. 
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that we see a 30% income 
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and immigrant blacks. 
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advocates cannot explain this 
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Now people like Ludwig von Mises
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Planning for Freedom, where he 
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That is is very clear. 
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skeptical of the social justice 
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problems, such as high homicide 
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high rates of poverty and 
diminished homes, all of these 

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riots that we see, We did not 
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thirties, 40s, and 50s in 
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professions at a faster rate the
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rights movement than you did in 
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these problems among poor whites
when it comes to an increase in 

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single parent households. 
When it comes to an increase in 

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homicide rates, So what? 
Those are the three pillars that

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Seoul says we should be very 
skeptical of the social justice 

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movement because the problems 
don't apply to black immigrants 

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as much they do apply to poor 
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And historically, when racism 
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He gives the example of of 
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says that the rate of poverty of
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States has never risen as high 
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the general black population is 
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If racism were the explanation 
for everything we see and all 

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the disparities, why would this 
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Did you think racist go around 
asking if blacks are married or 

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not before they begin to 
mistreat them, that they 

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probably don't even know or 
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So why would why would this 
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How could that? 
Why would that happen? 

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And then secondly, he says that 
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household, whether headed by men
or women, but particularly by 

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women, they have a they have at 
least twice the poverty rate of 

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of households that are headed by
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Now, well, how could if white 
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would that be possible? 
Why have the white supremacists 

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been so unable to do anything 
about that particular disparity?

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So his point is, you know, 
there's a lot to be said for 

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behavior. 
There are behavioral differences

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that can actually help you get 
ahead or or make you fall 

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behind. 
And so, again, not everything 

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can be explained with this comic
book level explanation. 

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But then also, one of the great 
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book, replicated to some degree 
here, is that he'll go through 

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and remember he also wrote the 
book Ethnic America. 

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He was very good friends with 
the late Stefan Tharnstrom at 

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Harvard, who was the editor of 
the American psych, the 

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Encyclopedia of American Ethnic 
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He was very interested in these 
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He knew all about different 
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And he would say that, you know,
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say that Germans are known for 
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everywhere around the world 
saying the Germans are very hard

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workers. 
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that that the Germans or other 
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some cases you have groups that 
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more mills than the native 
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twice the income of the native 
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Over and over and over. 
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He gives the example of the 
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years ago, well, I guess sort of
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100 years ago before, well, they
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even though Turks ruled the 
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None of the 34 stockbrokers in 
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Empire that employed 5 or more 
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owned by Greeks and another 20% 
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Germans and Brazil, Lebanese and
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Italians and in in Argentina. 
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on and says show. 
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anywhere in the world, anywhere 
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exactly the same representation 
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a particular, a course of study,
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proportionate to a particular 
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of the population. 
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You won't find it. 
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you won't, and virtually none of
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democracy. 
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I find similar disparities 
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income, it turns out in this 
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ours, whites come out roughly 
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along with current population 
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statistics from the census data.
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immigrants. 
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process that people don't come 
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got here wouldn't the racist 
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discriminate against them more? 
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that the social justice advocate
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regards to being less likely to 
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Japanese Americans coming to 
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English in the 1940s, being sent
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their property stripped from 
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higher than the average person 
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None of the social justice 
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thing, nor could they explain 
Thomas Hull citation in the New 

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York Times, where it turns out 
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counties in America have a 
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the Appalachian Mountains in of 
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So on the racial issue, there is
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The only thing I wish he would 
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it's at the heart of the social 
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claims of Black Lives Matter 
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2017. 
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Harvard University, one of the 
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tenure there, actually dug into 
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it comes to the central claim of
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Blacks are disproportionately 
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Well, the first thing is that we
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police. 
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there even a disparity between 
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who are killed by police? 
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papers titled An Empirical 
Analysis of Racial Differences 

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in Police Use of Force. 
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Across America, his claim is 
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force officer involved 
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We find no racial differences in
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contextual factors are taken 
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And even when you have, you 
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white woman, Justine Damond, who
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Mohammed Noor in Minnesota, she 
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Ashley Babbitt, unarmed white 
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officer. 
Michael Bird. 

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He gets on NBC and just explains
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talk of a trial at all. 
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there who are racist, who judge 
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content of character. 
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progressives at this point. 
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I highly recommend it. 
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that I might mention the case of
Eric Stewart who is a professor 

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at Florida State who was 
recently fired because it it 

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turned out that he, well he was 
accused of of of being guilty of

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extreme negligence in his 
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influential in making people 
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bias racially among the the 
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know wildly inflated numbers in 
their heads of of what the 

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police have done and and so so 
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So he was. 
He was removed recently, and the

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Provost at Florida State said 
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extreme negligence in basic data
management, resulting in an 

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unprecedented number of articles
retracted and numerous other 

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articles now in question. 
And then said the damage to the 

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standing of the university and 
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Criminology and Criminal Justice
and its faculty approaches, the 

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catastrophic and may be 
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So that's now. 
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I don't think that many people 
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way. 
I mean, could you imagine if 

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there if Heather McDonald, who 
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to debunk some of these claims, 
if she'd been fired from an 

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institution, well, the whole 
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you know, we'd never hear the 
end of it. 

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But this guy, one of the key 
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of life, was actually fired as a
professor. 

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And to be fired as a professor, 
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I mean, you could probably 
murder somebody and they would 

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look the other way and sometimes
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it was that bad. 
His level of negligence was that

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bad. 
So you're right that that is an 

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area where Seoul's book would 
have benefited a bit more. 

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But you've definitely covered 
this. 

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And it like if you were to ask 
people, maybe you know the 

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numbers off hand. 
If you were to ask people, let's

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let's say you categorize people 
into quote liberals and quote 

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conservatives. 
Now we know that's an 

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oversimplification. 
But let's just say if you ask 

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self identified liberals and 
self identified conservatives, 

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what do you think the number of 
unarmed black men killed by the 

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police is in a given year? 
They have wildly crazy answers 

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for that. 
Now that doesn't mean that I'm 

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an apologist for the police. 
It just means I I I want the 

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truth to be told. 
You know, I I don't want to 

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believe a lie. 
Yes, I believe it was Skeptic 

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magazine. 
This is a Michael Shermer's 

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magazine. 
They had surveyed liberals and 

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conservatives and asked them how
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mean George Floyd we have, You 
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well. 
How many in total? 

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And it turns out 44% of self 
identified liberals said between

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1010 thousand unarmed blacks per
year are killed by the police. 

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The number in 2019, according to
the Washington Post, was there 

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were 41 unarmed people killed by
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Nine were black and 19 of them 
were white. 

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This total, including armed and 
unarmed, came to 1004 people 

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killed by police. 
So the total number is not 110th

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of what a portion of liberals 
think unarmed blacks are killed.

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It's just so wildly out of 
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I had an intelligence officer 
Chase Hughes, on my show some 

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time ago and he said Heath. 
I've researched MK Ultra and 

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I've done thousands of hours of 
research into mind control. 

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And if I had to describe mind 
control in one word, it would be

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repetition. 
That is how you were able to 

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control people's minds. 
And I thought, you know what? 

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That probably is the reason why 
people will just automatically 

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associate child labour with 
capitalism. 

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Because child labor never 
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and they've done this research. 
No, it's literally just been 

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repeated again and again and 
again. 

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America's racist, America's 
racist so many times it's been 

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repeated without a single shred 
of evidence. 

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So that is how the corporate 
press is able to get away with 

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such a lie without ever going to
the direct evidence. 

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Well of course I have this book 
coming out on the COVID 

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craziness and it's it's 
situation is analogous there 

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because if you were to ask 
exactly the same people if you 

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were to be diagnosed with COVID 
what is the likelihood that you 

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would need to be hospitalized. 
They're off by orders of 

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magnitude that they have 
absolutely no way of assessing 

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the risk level involved there 
none whatsoever. 

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I mean dramatically off. 
Even the the self-described 

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conservatives are generally were
vastly overstating the 

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likelihood of that. 
I want to. 

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I just. 
I love Seoul style so much and 

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so I want to share, if I may, 
just another example from this 

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early section in the book and he
quotes a a headline in a San 

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Francisco newspaper. 
The headline reads Why are black

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and Latino people still kept out
of tech industry? 

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And what gets Seoul is the kept 
out like people are actively 

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instead of there are firms that 
would they would slit the 

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throats of their own 
grandmothers if they could 

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manage to hire more black and 
Latino people. 

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They're they're desperate to do 
that. 

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But. 
So the idea that actually 

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they're trying to keep them out 
is utterly preposterous. 

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But so Seoul's response is, 
look, are Asians being kept out 

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of professional basketball or 
Californians kept out of the 

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National Hockey League? 
And he says, look, there are 

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ethnic differences in 
educational qualifications here.

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He says Asian Americans have 
more college degrees in 

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engineering than either blacks 
or Hispanics, each of whom 

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outnumbers Asian Americans in 
the population. 

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And he says at the PhD level, 
Asian Americans engineering 

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degrees, even though they as a 
percentage of the population are

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very, very small, outnumber in 
raw numbers the engineering pH. 

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DS of blacks and Hispanics 
combined. 

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And he says, and by the way, 
such disparities and engineering

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degrees are not peculiar to the 
United States. 

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And he gives a favorite example 
of the the Chinese minority in 

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Malaysia. 
In the 1960s, the Chinese 

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minority of Malaysia received 
408 engineering degrees. 

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The the Malaysian majority 
received 4 engineering degrees. 

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And so this is not a matter of 
keeping anybody out. 

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And he says there is no way the 
Chinese in Malaysia could keep 

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out Malaysian students in 
universities that were run by 

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Malaysians and subject to the 
authority of the Malaysian 

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government, which was also run 
by Malaysians. 

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I mean, it's just, it's a 
brutal, brutal, brutal beat 

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down. 
It's just like 11 young Keith 

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Knight might give. 
Yes, and he also gets into with 

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00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,040
the culturalist aspects of 
things. 

454
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,680
So first we have critical theory
of three general ideas to 

455
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,200
explain disparities among 
groups. 

456
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,600
Critical theory disparities are 
the result of discrimination, 

457
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,520
genetic determinism. 
The races evolved in different 

458
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,040
climates, or God has designed 
the races in different ways, 

459
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,360
with different benefits and 
different costs. 

460
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,560
What Saul says is if you 
actually look at different 

461
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,960
cultures embrace, this actually 
explains things like disparities

462
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,200
in IQ. 
The examples he uses of we see a

463
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,680
big disparity in IQ starting in 
the First World War between 

464
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,120
blacks and whites. 
But when you look at blacks in 

465
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:38,440
the North versus blacks in the 
South, you actually see less of 

466
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,960
a disparity between the races 
and a blatant disparity between 

467
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,080
those in the North and those in 
the South. 

468
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,240
He also uses the increasing IQ 
of Jews within a generation or 

469
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,280
two, citing the research of 
James Flynn, and he looks at how

470
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,840
different areas of Europe 
evolved at different times. 

471
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,440
So if it was just one race is 
better and other races are 

472
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,120
worse, it's hard to explain why 
the Chinese were the earliest 

473
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,040
civilization to have things like
writing. 

474
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,000
It's hard to explain why Greece 
and Rome came onto the scene 

475
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,360
much sooner than places in 
Britain, yet the British started

476
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:20,200
the Industrial Revolution. 
If all we have are these 

477
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,080
deterministic aspects, we would 
see all the races at different 

478
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,080
parts in in history and then 
more or less stagnant and 

479
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,480
increasing or decreasing at the 
same rate, But we don't see that

480
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,880
at the end of the book, he says.
We have tons of poverty in 

481
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,320
Singapore, and the Singaporeans,
thanks to people like Lee Kuan 

482
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,920
Yew, were able to drastically 
increase their wealth as a 

483
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,400
causal result of increasing the 
amount of free trade. 

484
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,000
And private property saw the 
same thing in Hong Kong. 

485
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:50,480
The example of South Korea. 
China, after Mao and Deng 

486
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,880
Xiaoping brought in some free 
market reforms. 

487
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,520
He uses the example of India in 
1991. 

488
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,200
So the social justice mindset 
gets you into the idea that 

489
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,240
there's basically nothing you 
can really do until you 

490
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,680
overthrow the entire system, 
until we have more of a global 

491
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,920
acceptance of social justice. 
If there's ever an injustice 

492
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,840
somewhere, if there's ever one 
or two racists sort of lingering

493
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,480
around, then the entire system's
corrupt and there's nothing you 

494
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,160
can actually do. 
Well, he actually shows us not 

495
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,440
only on a large scale, on an 
individual scale. 

496
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:28,960
So he gets into the idea that 
wages have stagnated and all the

497
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,600
benefits in the last 50 years 
have all gone to the top 10%. 

498
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,440
So says it's important to know 
that the 10% is actually just a 

499
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,240
category, and it doesn't 
actually specify individuals who

500
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,480
move in and out of this 
category. 

501
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,920
The example I use is it's like 
you're looking at the average 

502
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,200
age of a freshman in the year 
1980, and you say, OK, the 

503
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,560
average freshman is 18 years 
old. 

504
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,600
And then 40 years later you go 
back to that college and the 

505
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,400
average age of a freshman is 
still 18 years old. 

506
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,280
So it turns out people aren't 
aging at this college. 

507
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:08,520
Well, that is just a group of 
people that is not those are not

508
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,080
actual human beings. 
That's just one demographic 

509
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,160
people move in and out of. 
So he finds that about 5% of 

510
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,720
people after 20 years are still 
in the same income bracket. 

511
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,400
This is why we see vast 
disparity in the median income 

512
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,200
of the average 20 year old and 
the average 45 year old in 

513
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,160
America. 
He also uses the example of 

514
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,640
Canada because there is income 
mobility, when people get more 

515
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,080
on the job skills, they get 
their foot in the door and 

516
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,600
they're able to increase the 
wage that that they demand. 

517
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,360
He also mentions in 1948 there 
was a higher white youth 

518
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,200
unemployment rate than black 
youth unemployment rate, which 

519
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800
throws another wrench into the 
social justice world view that 

520
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,160
disparities today are the result
or legacy of racism. 

521
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,680
So says why did it take more 
than 150 years for the legacy of

522
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,880
slavery to actually have this 
effect, which the social justice

523
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,480
advocates are telling us We have
so, just so many examples of 

524
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,080
that all throughout the book. 
I want to go back to something 

525
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,080
you said about given the way 
social justice people would 

526
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,720
would have us think no progress 
can be made until the entire 

527
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,400
system is overthrown. 
Well, you know, I think some 

528
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,080
people are probably a little 
more too impatient for that. 

529
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,640
So let's give them some happier 
news. 

530
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000
And. 
And in Seoul recalls a story 

531
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:28,800
that Barack Obama told about a 
maybe you remember this about a 

532
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,160
black young man he was talking 
to who had wanted to become a 

533
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,960
pilot. 
And he thought of joining the 

534
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,760
Air Force, but he decided not to
because he decided there's no 

535
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,360
way the Air Force would ever let
a black man fly a plane. 

536
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,800
Now, this is decades after there
was a whole squadron of black 

537
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,840
American fighter pilots in World
War 2, you know, and then 

538
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,880
beyond. 
But he has become so convinced, 

539
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,040
and who can blame him, given 
what he's told 24 hours a day, 

540
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,080
that this was impossible, that 
he wasn't even going to try So. 

541
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,960
So. 
And it, you know, reminds me 

542
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,520
when I had Wanjiro Njoya on the 
show from the University of 

543
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,440
Exeter And she was saying kind 
of something along the lines of 

544
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,560
what soul is saying. 
Soul is, is saying, look, it's 

545
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,040
not that there are no people who
treat others unjustly on the 

546
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,160
basis of race. 
It's not that there's nobody 

547
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,960
like that. 
It's that in this day and age, 

548
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,960
given that you have limited 
time, given the concept of 

549
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,320
opportunity, 'cause you have 
limited resources, is it better 

550
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,240
for you to expend that time and 
those resources on an 

551
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:37,040
increasingly leading amount of, 
quote UN quote racism, or is it 

552
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,200
better just to spend it on 
building up your skills? 

553
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,400
Or as as she said, we have so 
many people who in effect can't 

554
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,440
read, could we just get them to 
read when it go ahead and change

555
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,600
the name of their high school 
because it was named after an 

556
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,360
oppressive person if you want 
to. 

557
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,960
But the problem is the kids in 
that school still can't read 

558
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,240
anything you know. 
So maybe you could just focus a 

559
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,880
a little bit on that that they 
can't read and then later maybe 

560
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,760
do other things. 
But starting with getting them 

561
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,880
reading, you know, might make 
more sense. 

562
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,560
That might make more sense. 
Unfortunately, there's very 

563
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,560
little incentive to to do so. 
Corey Deangelis is an excellent 

564
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,960
school choice advocate. 
He cites the National Institute 

565
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,640
for Educational Statistics and 
finds that there's been a 280% 

566
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,440
increase, adjusted for 
inflation, since 1960 when it 

567
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,160
comes to per student spending on
education. 

568
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,720
And they're so explicit that 
even the teachers don't brag 

569
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,600
about their results. 
They go, you know what kids, 

570
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,000
basically everyone needs to go 
to college. 

571
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,440
Now would they be saying that if
they were so proud of what they 

572
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,800
just had the kids doing for the 
last 12 years, it they'd say get

573
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,680
you don't have to go to college.
We've done so much with all this

574
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,200
money and all this time you've 
given us. 

575
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,920
If you want to go to college, I 
bet there's nothing else you'll 

576
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,760
learn because we did such a darn
good job. 

577
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,280
No, they are constantly 
conceding that no matter how 

578
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,680
much money you give them, they 
don't have. 

579
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,400
It's never a management problem.
It's never an incentive problem.

580
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,680
It's always a matter of of 
dollars and cents, and this is 

581
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,840
just very classic. 
You have people like Jonathan 

582
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,120
Haidt doing research that the 
average person will have an 

583
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,480
intuition that they want more 
money, they want more power, 

584
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,880
they want to hire social status 
and then come up with 

585
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,560
justifications as to why those 
things should happen. 

586
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,680
We see it everywhere. 
There's no reason we shouldn't 

587
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,360
think people like professors or 
politicians or members of the 

588
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,440
media do the exact same thing. 
You know, there's a, there's a 

589
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,280
study in here that I I have to 
mention a couple of studies that

590
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,880
even though they're somewhat 
tangential to the thesis, 

591
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,880
they're so interesting that I 
want to bring them up to you. 

592
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,400
And with the listening audience.
And it it's in the context of 

593
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,800
Seoul saying that yet another 
contributor to let's say a a 

594
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,400
prosperous stable society is a 
level of social trust of honesty

595
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,000
in the society. 
And that's something that is 

596
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,160
hard to measure or it's not 
something that we normally 

597
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,320
would, would try to place a 
number on. 

598
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,400
And so it's easily overlooked by
historians and statisticians and

599
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,360
and and social critics, let's 
say, but it's very real. 

600
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,160
And so he gives the example of a
study from about 10 years ago in

601
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:23,200
which a dozen wallets were 
placed in various, you know, 

602
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,520
obvious, you know, very obvious 
and open spots in different 

603
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,480
cities. 
And the, the, the, the, the, the

604
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,320
test was to see how many of 
these wallets would be returned 

605
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,240
with the cash inside them still 
in there. 

606
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,720
And so they found was in 
Helsinki. 

607
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,600
So in Finland you had eleven of 
the 12 wallets return in 

608
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,400
Portugal. 
In Lisbon, only one of the 12 

609
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,720
wallets was returned, and that 
was returned by a couple 

610
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,080
visiting from the Netherlands. 
So no Portuguese person returned

611
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,360
any wallet at all. 
So another study found that in 

612
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,400
Norway, all the wallets were 
returned every last one. 

613
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,360
In the US, 2/3 of the wallets 
were returned, in China 30%, and

614
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,840
in Mexico 21%. 
Now this doesn't mean that 

615
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,840
genetically people in Finland 
return wallets, you know, but 

616
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,239
but it does mean something 
though, right? 

617
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:18,960
It does. 
And then this. 

618
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,120
It's a very surprising, a very 
interesting result, let's say. 

619
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,000
Maybe it's not entirely 
surprising, but it's an 

620
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,360
interesting result. 
And it goes to show if if even 

621
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,360
something like this could be so 
drastically different in in the 

622
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,080
way people think or the way they
interact with others, then why 

623
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,400
would we think that all other 
aspects of human endeavor would 

624
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,040
wind up being exactly equal? 
If if even on something as 

625
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,360
simple as being a decent enough 
person to return a wallet, we we

626
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,679
get these drastically different 
results, then probably going to 

627
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,400
get drastically different 
results in everything. 

628
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,719
You know, it's just give up. 
You're never going to get 

629
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,560
equality on those things, ever. 
You've never, ever had, as Seoul

630
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,800
says, perfectly proportionate 
results racially in any society 

631
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,600
on a measurement of anything in 
the end. 

632
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,080
Not to mention, he also points 
out all the groups that have 

633
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,640
surpassed whites. 
And all the, as you say, the 

634
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,240
disparities between some ethnic 
groups in the US and others that

635
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,640
are larger than the white black 
differential, even though the 

636
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,320
factors that are alleged to 
account for the white black 

637
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,240
differential are not present in 
those cases. 

638
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:30,040
So it's as I say it's a it's a 
brutal, brutal, brutal beat 

639
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,040
down. 
But I just, I had to mention 

640
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,640
that's because I instantly I I 
memorize those statistics 

641
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,040
because I'm going to share this 
study with everybody I know 

642
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,120
about the wallets, because I 
just found that so interesting. 

643
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,200
And he also uses in his honesty 
example the number of parking 

644
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,280
tickets paid at the United 
Nations. 

645
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,880
So they don't have to strictly 
pay them because they have 

646
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,000
diplomatic immunity, but they 
could pay them anyway. 

647
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,080
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
That's a great example. 

648
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,720
Yeah, we constantly see these 
disparities everywhere. 

649
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,920
A guy in I think 1912, his last 
name is Michaels or Mckell's 

650
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,440
came up with the Iron Law of 
Oligarchy, saying that any 

651
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,280
organization, whether it's 
democratic or but no matter how 

652
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,000
democratic, it starts out 
because of domineering 

653
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,680
personalities and for the sense 
of efficiency and oligarchy will

654
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,560
be created. 
So This is why we see drastic 

655
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,120
inequalities in every society 
since Aristotle was very unequal

656
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,880
to the average person in Greece.
The greatest champions of 

657
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,640
equality today, Alexandria, 
Ocasio, Cortez, have more money 

658
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,480
and institutional power than 
99.99% of her constituents ever 

659
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,720
will, because we constantly see 
this everywhere. 

660
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,880
The example he uses is of a 
union that not everyone goes to 

661
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,920
the union meeting. 
Not everyone speaks at the 

662
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,520
meeting. 
Not everyone has as equally as 

663
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,080
good ideas. 
Not everyone is equally good at 

664
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,680
communicating those ideas and 
getting people on board. 

665
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,880
So you end up with Jimmy Hoffa 
and a few of his pals running 

666
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,240
the entire union for 10s of 
thousands of people. 

667
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,280
So anytime people organize 
examples that Seoul uses as what

668
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,440
percentage of golfers are as 
good as Tiger Woods? 

669
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,600
What percentage of comedians are
as funny as Chris Rock? 

670
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,080
Oh, the example he uses is the 
Manning family. 

671
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,080
Archie Manning, Peyton Manning 
and Eli Manning are three of the

672
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,800
greatest quarterbacks ever. 
What percentage of people are as

673
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,840
good athletically as as they are
so? 

674
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,480
And we constantly see these 
disparities everywhere. 

675
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,760
It's an iron law within every 
institution, within every 

676
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,000
society, so we should expect 
nothing different. 

677
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,760
That's why he calls it the 
invincible fallacy that no 

678
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,160
matter what, people assume that 
in the absence of 

679
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,320
discrimination, we'd see total 
equality among the ages, the 

680
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,280
races and the genders and the 
nations. 

681
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,840
But we don't see equality 
between North and South Korea, 

682
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,360
where there's a large amount of 
similarities within their 

683
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,400
history. 
Racially, they're more or less 

684
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,280
the same, but we see a disparity
and it is because of cultures 

685
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,360
and institutions that that 
people embrace. 

686
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,360
I I want to elaborate on that 
point about the the parking 

687
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,680
tickets the tickets at the UN. 
So the idea is they don't 

688
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,520
strictly have to pay these 
tickets because they have 

689
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,240
diplomatic immunity, so 
nothing's going to happen to 

690
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:16,280
them if they don't pay. 
And at the result, at the end of

691
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,360
a five year study, it was found 
that Egyptian diplomats had 

692
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,440
thousands and thousands of 
unpaid tickets, whereas the 

693
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,680
Canadian ones had none, the 
British ones had none, the 

694
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,560
Japanese had none, even though 
they had twice as many diplomats

695
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,880
as Egypt. 
And another thing I I I do want 

696
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,960
to get, I I want to in a minute 
I want to read a passage to you 

697
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,360
and get your commentary on it. 
But before I do that, I want to 

698
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,800
point out that in this day and 
age in 2023, given the 

699
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,720
technology we have given the 
Internet, the amount of capital 

700
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,960
you need to start a business has
been drastically slashed. 

701
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,160
In the same way that the amount 
of money you need, let's say, to

702
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,480
become a musician is drastically
slashed. 

703
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,200
You you don't, you know, you you
can or the connections you need.

704
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,920
I mean, yeah, you might not be 
world famous instantly, but you 

705
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,400
don't have to be signed by 
Capitol Records to get your 

706
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,200
music out there. 
Likewise, to become a 

707
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,680
documentary filmmaker, you can 
you see people making 

708
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,480
documentary films on a 
shoestring budget all the time, 

709
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,920
because the technology has made 
that possible. 

710
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,040
There's been a tremendous 
leveling of opportunities for 

711
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,840
people, and it seems so, it 
seems to me. 

712
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,400
If I were a leader in the black 
community, I would say, look, 

713
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,160
whatever it is, whatever we 
think there is out there that's 

714
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,720
holding us back, there's no 
excuse for not teaching our 

715
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:37,360
young people how to harness the 
resources they have right now to

716
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,440
build things for themselves, to 
build businesses and incomes in 

717
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,680
ways that our ancestors couldn't
have dreamed of and white 

718
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,160
ancestors couldn't have dreamed 
of, We have these possibilities.

719
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,240
Most people are, are, you know, 
pissing their days away 

720
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,720
unproductively. 
Now I I I'll get, I'll get 

721
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:57,400
yelled at for that. 
But you know what I mean There 

722
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,360
there are opportunities 
everywhere and most people are 

723
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,000
instead just complaining and woe
is me. 

724
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,080
And I can't believe I have to 
pay back my student loan or 

725
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,400
whatever. 
But a really ambitious person in

726
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,040
this day and age has many will 
be alert to the many, many 

727
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,560
opportunities out there. 
And I would be training young 

728
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,400
black people. 
I would say, here's how you 

729
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,000
build a business, you do the 
following things, and here's how

730
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,800
you find a niche to get yourself
into. 

731
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,120
And here's how you find out what
the market wants. 

732
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,960
And here's how you find out what
what you are particularly suited

733
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,960
to produce, or how you can get 
yourself suited to produce it. 

734
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,800
Or that instead of sitting 
around complaining that you're 

735
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,680
not earning enough, you think, 
all right, well, what have you 

736
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,800
been doing during your your time
at home to make yourself a more 

737
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,480
desired employee? 
You know, where have you carved 

738
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,600
out that extra hour? 
Yeah, I know it's hard. 

739
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,600
I know it means you won't get as
much sleep, but that's what it 

740
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,440
takes to get ahead. 
You know, I would be doing that.

741
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,640
And instead, it's all political 
agitation, which is a complete, 

742
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,360
total dead end. 
Now let me read this to you and 

743
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,560
I want to get your comment on 
it. 

744
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,120
This is from Seoul. 
There have been many examples of

745
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,200
peoples and places around the 
world that lifted themselves out

746
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,360
of poverty in the second-half of
the 20th century. 

747
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,720
These would include Hong Kong, 
Singapore, and South Korea. 

748
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,000
In the last quarter of the 20th 
century, the huge nations of 

749
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,840
India and China had vast 
millions of poor people rise out

750
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,960
of poverty. 
The common denominator in all 

751
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,360
these places was that their rise
out of poverty began after 

752
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,040
government micromanaging of the 
economy was reduced. 

753
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,880
This was especially ironic in 
the case of China with a 

754
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,600
communist government. 
And here's the here's the key 

755
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,600
With social justice advocates 
supposedly concerned with the 

756
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,360
fate of the poor, it may seem 
strange that they seem to have 

757
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,720
paid remarkably little attention
to places where the poor have 

758
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,280
risen out of poverty at a 
dramatic rate and on a massive 

759
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,520
scale. 
That at least raises the 

760
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,520
question whether the social 
justice advocates priorities are

761
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,840
the poor themselves, or the 
social justice advocates own 

762
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,760
vision of the world and their 
own role in that vision. 

763
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,440
What do you think of that? 
Well, this is what we inevitably

764
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,560
get when people in high 
positions of power pay no price 

765
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,680
for being wrong. 
Has so likes to put it so they 

766
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,480
don't actually have a huge 
incentive to say, all right, so 

767
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,760
it's the poverty and the 
injustice I'm against. 

768
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,320
What is it that could what sort 
of processes or what sort of 

769
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,000
general institutions could we as
a society embrace to increase 

770
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,160
the likelihood that people will 
have income mobility and will 

771
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,040
have more justice than we 
otherwise would? 

772
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,960
So instead of embracing the 
ideas of say, Booker T 

773
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,440
Washington, they've embraced the
ideas of Al Sharpton just 

774
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,600
because they're more likely to 
arouse the passions of the 

775
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,120
feeble minded, so to speak. 
So when it comes to things 

776
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,480
Alexandria Ocasio, Cortez could 
say when she has a microphone in

777
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,960
front of her, she could say 
things like, you know, I was 

778
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,520
watching Keith and I don't tread
on anyone the other day. 

779
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,440
And it turns out he did a ton of
research when he worked at 

780
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,720
Walmart and found out the 
primary reason people got fired 

781
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,600
at all Walmart locations was as 
a causal result of a lack of 

782
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,840
attendance and showing up on 
time. 

783
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,240
This is something within our 
control. 

784
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,120
We could leave earlier, We could
bring books to places and get 

785
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,680
there and work early. 
You can also see that there's a 

786
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,200
great deal of correlation 
between people who get early on 

787
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,880
the job experience, get their 
foot in the door, start 

788
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,320
networking, start asking 
questions, start being more 

789
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,520
ambitious on the job and looking
for opportunities. 

790
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,520
Those people will have higher 
incomes than they otherwise 

791
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,600
would. 
So just those two things, 

792
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,040
gaining on the job skills and 
asking questions and having your

793
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,920
attendance in line. 
By the way, that happened at 

794
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,200
Walmart and Dish Network when I 
worked at both places, 

795
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,520
attendance was the number one 
reason people lost their job. 

796
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,440
Those are much more within the 
control of the average person. 

797
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,080
Then you know what? 
I can't control what time I get 

798
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,520
to work, but I can end systemic 
racism by voting once every four

799
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,200
years. 
So the fact that they don't have

800
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,760
the incentive to do that is one 
thing. 

801
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,120
But the fact that they 
constantly avoid such obvious, 

802
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,640
much more productive avenues of 
how to actually teach people to 

803
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,760
do things effectively does get 
to the question as to how really

804
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,840
sincere they are. 
But then again, they don't have 

805
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,840
much incentive to, to be sincere
when they're not generally held 

806
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,880
accountable. 
Because it's not that you know, 

807
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,960
people, you win elections based 
on how much truth you tell. 

808
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,920
It's how many emotions you rile 
up and get people to vote for 

809
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,760
you. 
So yeah, Sola's definitely 

810
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,280
correct. 
And how could we falsify whether

811
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,960
these people are really, really 
well intended? 

812
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,240
I mean the the example of AOC is
just so bad, She posts a picture

813
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,240
saying, look, my Abuela's home 
in Puerto Rico has been 

814
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:35,560
devastated. 
She needs money. 

815
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,520
We need to pass this law to give
them more money. 

816
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,280
So Matt Walsh of The Daily Wire 
says, you know what, If you, 

817
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,400
Tesla, driver, congresswoman in 
America aren't going to help 

818
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,920
her, I'll raise a bunch of 
money. 

819
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,680
And the Daily Wire raised 
$100,000 and AOC campaign got 

820
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,840
ahold of the Go Fund Me Indie Go
Go People and said that we won't

821
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,880
be accepting the money now when 
we get something like that. 

822
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,080
How is that possibly seen as 
having some sort of innocent 

823
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,720
explanation? 
Are you telling me Barack Obama,

824
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,720
Harvard graduate president of 
America, believes that 

825
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,120
corporations pay men 25% more 
just because they're male? 

826
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,960
I mean, there's just almost no 
innocent explanation for for any

827
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,880
of this. 
And I think that's a great way. 

828
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,920
That's all sort of nudges people
into saying if you really cared 

829
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,760
about this, here's how I'd be 
able to tell. 

830
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,320
So you can change and you can 
admit you're wrong. 

831
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,280
And that's how I can 
differentiate the good people 

832
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,400
from the bad people, the well 
intended from those who don't 

833
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,640
really care about the effects of
their policies. 

834
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,960
So yes, that was an excellent 
part of the book. 

835
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,800
You know, Ian Ram gets 
criticized for being selfish and

836
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,080
not caring about the poor and 
all that, but her argument was, 

837
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,360
look, obviously these people 
don't care about the poor. 

838
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,840
If you cared about the poor, you
would look around the world and 

839
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,840
say, what is it that makes the 
poor better off? 

840
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,400
Answer a market economy. 
Period. 

841
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,800
There's no argument about this. 
A market economy and that is the

842
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,480
one thing they are dead set 
against and that they try to put

843
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,360
as many obstacles in the way of 
is a market economy. 

844
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,400
So therefore I I'm sorry, they 
do not deserve the benefit of 

845
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,720
the doubt that they're just dumb
and they just don't know any 

846
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,160
better. 
If they cared, they would pencil

847
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,600
into their busy schedules the 5 
minutes it would take to survey 

848
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,640
the world and notice that the 
more economic freedom of society

849
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,800
has, the less the fewer 
deprivations, the poor their 

850
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,080
suffer. 
It would take 5 minutes to find 

851
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,800
that data. 
You know, you just do a search 

852
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,320
for it, you can find it. 
So therefore we can rule out 

853
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,440
that that's what they care 
about. 

854
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,480
Now I I don't mean to to 
absolutely exclude the 

855
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:33,240
possibility that there are some 
people who are so lazy that they

856
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:37,400
haven't even bothered to look 
into how places become rich and 

857
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,400
why they stay poor. 
I'm sure there are 

858
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,880
intellectually lazy people, but 
then those people are so 

859
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,080
contemptible that they can't 
even look into the very thing 

860
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,280
that they're supposedly 
passionate about that I just 

861
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,600
don't care about their opinion. 
It's certainly hard to do to 

862
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,200
care about the opinion. 
When I was doing research for a 

863
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,320
speech, I found out that 
something like a billion hours 

864
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,320
of Netflix is watched 
collectively by Netflix users. 

865
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,040
And I go, there's just no way 
that I could still excuse us 

866
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,200
things. 
If it's like people spend 99% of

867
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,760
their days working in the minds 
of the greedy capitalist and 

868
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,520
they only get a few minutes a 
day to sleep, then I could say, 

869
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,040
well, maybe you could be 
ignorant of these things. 

870
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,720
There's just no excuse at this 
point. 

871
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:20,200
Yeah, start with East Germany 
and West Germany. 

872
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,120
And then social justice 
advocates get back to me on 

873
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,080
which side was wealthier. 
The great example that Niall 

874
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,840
Ferguson uses is he uses the 
example of the Chinese inside 

875
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,400
and outside of the Republic to 
determine whether or not. 

876
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:37,560
But we can see why some people 
are wealthy and others are 

877
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,520
impoverished. 
And I love what Seoul does, 

878
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,720
where he says that if it's true 
about the economic social 

879
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:47,200
injustice, that the wealth of 
the rich comes at the expense of

880
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,760
the cost of the poor, the 
wealthier wealthy, as a result 

881
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,400
of impoverishing the poor, what 
we could actually find a way to 

882
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,840
falsify this? 
And the second he throws that 

883
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,560
line at you, you know you're in 
trouble. 

884
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:02,000
So he says, let's look at where 
the most billionaires are in the

885
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,640
world, either as a total number,
absolutely, or on a per capita 

886
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,120
basis. 
It turns out that America has 

887
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,840
more billionaires than all of 
Africa and the Middle East 

888
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,920
combined, and the average 
American has a higher standard 

889
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,360
of living than the average 
person in Africa or the Middle 

890
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,480
East. 
So the entire exploitation 

891
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,560
narrative, just based on that 
irrefutable metric, is one way 

892
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,960
you can refute the social 
justice narratives he then gets 

893
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,720
into. 
How did places fare once they 

894
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:35,440
kicked out the Jews, The 
Lebanese, the Egyptians, and all

895
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,000
of these other demographic 
Asians in Africa? 

896
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,520
Asians in Africa, yes, the 
Chinese in the Philippines is 

897
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,320
the other examples he uses. 
He goes once we kick out these 

898
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,960
parasites and once we confiscate
all the wealth from the rich, 

899
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,200
well then we could have this 
prosperity. 

900
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,920
But turns out once all the 
wealth is taken, turns out you 

901
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,480
killed the golden goose, you 
have less golden eggs that 

902
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,560
someone's going to have to look 
into that and and see why it is.

903
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,760
And he also has a great section 
on the amount of money that's 

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confiscated from the state and a
lack of appreciation from the 

905
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social justice advocates. 
So first he says that just 

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'cause you have higher tax rates
doesn't automatically equate to 

907
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more revenue. 
But also in years like 2022, the

908
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federal government got $6.27 
trillion to spend. 

909
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And people aren't like, oh, 
government's 30% better than it 

910
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was previously, you know, four 
years earlier when they only got

911
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,680
4.2 trillion, you know, because 
of COVID and the CARES Act. 

912
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So even when they get all the 
power that they beg for, they 

913
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,440
still have nothing to brag 
about. 

914
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,760
You know, there's so many of 
these little Nuggets, and I'm 

915
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,360
going to let you go in a minute,
but there's so many of these 

916
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,920
little Nuggets of information 
that you wouldn't ever think of.

917
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,320
And and then as soon as you 
learn them, you realize that it 

918
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,600
explodes. 
All these bumper sticker slogans

919
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,200
that substitute for thought. 
And so, for example, in Sweden, 

920
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we're we're well, the Swedes do 
well because they have the, the 

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00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,320
giant welfare state. 
But what's interesting is if you

922
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,920
follow the Swedes around the 
world, they have a low poverty 

923
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,440
rate. 
Wherever they go, wherever they 

924
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,400
go, for whatever reason, it 
doesn't matter if they're in a 

925
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,360
welfare state. 
They do even better when they're

926
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:17,040
in a more market economy. 
So I mean, again, if you know 

927
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,720
only one fact, then sometimes 
that's not, I mean, usually they

928
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,720
don't even know one fact. 
They have a distortion. 

929
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,760
But even sometimes, if you know 
only one fact, it's not enough. 

930
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,520
You need to know the other 
complementary fact that then 

931
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,160
explains and conceptualizes the 
first fact, like the the example

932
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,240
of the Swedes. 
So you know, this is a very 

933
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,640
unusual episode. 
I have one other time I did an 

934
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,960
episode on a Thomas Soul book. 
Well, actually I'm not. 

935
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,960
I might have done a solo episode
on one of his books, but I did 

936
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,760
one with Michael Malice on a 
Conflict of Visions, which I 

937
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,960
like very much. 
But so here we are. 

938
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,960
You and I have been talking 
about somebody else's book. 

939
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,880
It's Social Justice Fallacies by
Thomas Sowell. 

940
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,320
I'll link to it in the the 
description of this video. 

941
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,840
I'm doing video now, but 
unfortunately I've just I've 

942
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,720
completely destroyed my YouTube 
following because for years and 

943
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,160
years I wasn't releasing any 
video on here, it was just a 

944
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,320
still shot and the audio of the 
show. 

945
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,360
So now I've got like 75,000 
YouTube subscribers, none of 

946
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,160
whom bothers to look for videos 
by me anymore. 

947
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,040
So I burned them all out. 
Now here I am, you know, trying 

948
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,160
to do it. 
But anyway, but also on the show

949
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,320
notes page, which is 
tomwoods.com slash 2401. 

950
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,320
But for you, Keith, what should 
we link to? 

951
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,440
Because I bet we have some new 
Keith Knight fans as of today. 

952
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:32,000
I would say my recent speech at 
Port Festa took me probably six 

953
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,040
or eight months of reading tons 
of books, including Hebron Mex 

954
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,600
candy, including the 1619 
project by Matthew Desmond and 

955
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,840
Hannah Nicole Jones. 
I summarize all that research in

956
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,000
a speech that I titled 3 Social 
Justice Lies, Racism, Sexism, 

957
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,520
and Homophobia. 
That is a probably a good place 

958
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,560
to start to if you're looking 
for videos. 

959
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,280
If you're looking for something 
to read, the Volunteerist 

960
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,160
Handbook is always free as a PDF
at libertarianinstitute.org. 

961
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,520
Those are the 50 essays that I 
read that took me from being a 

962
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,840
progressive to being a 
libertarian. 

963
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,560
People from the right like Joe 
Sobrin are in there. 

964
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,640
People on the left like Sheldon 
Richmond are in there. 

965
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,560
It's a very good compilation to 
introduce people to in a very 

966
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,360
time efficient manner to our 
ideas. 

967
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,560
Yes, I I agree completely. 
That is a terrific book. 

968
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,920
So I will link to that as well. 
So check out the description or 

969
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,760
also tomwoods.com slash 24 O1. 
Thank you, Keith. 

970
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,840
This was pretty intense. 
Like I'm exhausted after this 

971
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,040
conversation. 
Thank you so much. 

972
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,600
Always a pleasure talking. 
Always a pleasure, Tom. 

973
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,240
Thank you. 
And thank you, ladies and 

974
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:38,160
gentlemen. 
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975
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,040
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976
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:48,880
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977
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,440
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