1 00:00:01,100 --> 00:00:04,600 For those looking for security, be forewarned that, there's 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,600 nothing more insecure than a political promise. 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,700 Welcome to Keith's night. Don't tread on anyone today. 4 00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:13,100 We have Jeremy Kaufman. The CEO of Library. 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,700 He is also the founder of top scorer. 6 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:17,700 Mr. Kaufman. Thank you so much for your time. 7 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:20,300 I am thrilled to be here with you today. 8 00:00:20,300 --> 00:00:22,200 Keith. What is library? 9 00:00:23,100 --> 00:00:29,300 Library is the future of digital content and how we shared and 10 00:00:29,300 --> 00:00:33,500 how we publish It so it gets it does tend to get a little bit 11 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:36,400 nerdy a little bit fast. So I don't know how much we want 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,300 to do that. It we Library does to publishing 13 00:00:39,300 --> 00:00:42,900 what Bitcoin did to money. We're trying to create systems 14 00:00:42,900 --> 00:00:46,900 that allow YouTube like experiences, but without that 15 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:51,200 single point of control without there, being one company that 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,300 that owns the network, which is, of course, very relevant, with, 17 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:56,700 with current event. So that's what library does. 18 00:00:56,700 --> 00:00:59,900 Is it technology. I will also say, well, first of 19 00:01:00,100 --> 00:01:01,700 People are hearing about this for the first time. 20 00:01:01,700 --> 00:01:03,700 They should go and switch. Right? 21 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:07,900 Like, stop watching this video on YouTube and go and watch it 22 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:11,800 on Odyssey. Oh, dys e.com, which is the best 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,900 way to use Library the library sort of like Bitcoin Odyssey. 24 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:18,100 Sort of like coinbase that maybe that's debatable that coinbase 25 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:20,700 is the best way to get Bitcoin, but obviously is a really easy. 26 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:22,900 It's the easiest way. It's a YouTube alternative. 27 00:01:22,900 --> 00:01:26,100 It's a YouTube successor. It's a better YouTube. 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,600 And you don't need to know all the nerdy stuff. 29 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:29,800 You can just type in that domain. 30 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:34,600 Main pop on this video over there and and just be free and 31 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,000 be safe from some of the things that you might run into in other 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,300 places, but if we want to get into the crazy tech and and how 33 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:45,000 all of it works and Library, I'm happy to get into it, but I do 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,200 like to say up front and make it really clear for people who 35 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,200 might not care about all that. You can just go to Odyssey.com 36 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,600 and have a better experience today and not need to understand 37 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,200 all the complicated stuff. Now, there was already a website 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,800 that allows us to watch videos YouTube. 39 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,100 Come, why did you create Odyssey and Library if we already have 40 00:02:04,100 --> 00:02:08,900 YouTube? So because yeah, you know, it 41 00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:11,600 wasn't it didn't actually take recent events for for YouTube to 42 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,400 kind of stink, you know, YouTube takes a huge cut of the money 43 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,600 that's being are about fifty percent of every dollar to move 44 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,000 videos from place, a to place B. And when you build on YouTube, 45 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,700 you are building someone else's business. 46 00:02:25,900 --> 00:02:27,800 You are giving them the keys to your business. 47 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,000 We're seeing in recent times. Why? 48 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,800 That's such a concern, not just a business actually, so it's not 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:33,700 just, it's not always a business. 50 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,200 It's a, it's a relationship. It's everything, right? 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,500 It's, it's the content that you make at your art. 52 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:42,700 And you're saying that, like, you're giving this, this other 53 00:02:42,700 --> 00:02:46,100 company control over all of it. All right, and I think that 54 00:02:46,100 --> 00:02:50,700 that's dangerous and a bad idea for some of the reasons that, 55 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,700 you know, we're seeing today. So that the fundamental idea is 56 00:02:54,700 --> 00:02:59,800 to create a more open Freer, Fair Way of publishing and 57 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,700 Changing content via a blockchain, basic knowledge. 58 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:08,600 Okay. Now, the good thing about 59 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,900 YouTube is, they are constantly making sure that bad ideas are 60 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:17,300 not spreading like wildfire. Protecting me from that ideas. 61 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:20,100 Just as I would want a restaurant to protect me from 62 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:24,000 poisonous food. Why should we Embrace sort of a 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,600 free speech Wild West platform instead of a nice structured? 64 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,900 YouTube intelligence agency collaboration that keeps our 65 00:03:33,900 --> 00:03:35,200 mind safe. Yeah. 66 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,800 Well I I'm not going to deny that if you want to use library 67 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,300 in a wild west kind of way that that's possible, but I'd 68 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:46,800 actually say that our intent is not to be edgy or to be putting 69 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,900 provocative things in people's faces are. 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,300 Our goal is to give people choices to let people make 71 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:55,500 choices for themselves about what they want to watch. 72 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,300 Like the because, you know, you can you might, I think it's 73 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:02,400 totally fine to agree that some of the content that's being 74 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,500 taken down is not the kind of thing that you want to see. 75 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:05,400 It's not the kind of thing you want. 76 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,100 Be looking at like that's that's an opinion people can act where 77 00:04:09,100 --> 00:04:12,900 we should go get concerned. Is that a small number of people 78 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:15,300 that we don't trust in any other circumstance, right? 79 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:18,200 Know if it's anything other than deleting accounts? 80 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,000 No one trusts Mark Zuckerberg, right? 81 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,600 We all does. He's the guy who called us, you 82 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,100 know, dumb fucks behind behind closed doors, right? 83 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:31,000 And like regularly acts in a way that is extraordinarily evil. 84 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:33,300 And then, we're like, please save us. 85 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:35,500 It's like, it's a terrible idea to be asked. 86 00:04:35,700 --> 00:04:39,400 To give these people more power. That's not me saying that people 87 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,400 shouldn't, you know, because I believe people should have 88 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:44,300 filtered experiences should have experiences that aren't putting 89 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,300 content in their faces that they don't want to see. 90 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,400 So our goal is to give people choice. 91 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:55,500 It's not enable, you know Edge Lord type behavior and towards 92 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:57,500 might use it in a way that said, flirty. 93 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,500 But Edge, Lords can send Edge, lordy emails, right? 94 00:05:00,500 --> 00:05:03,000 Like, you know, we don't think of email as a provocative 95 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,300 technology, because I'll you Can't call someone else up and 96 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:10,900 delete email, right? Like, that's it's normal, that, 97 00:05:10,900 --> 00:05:12,600 that you can't call someone up, right? 98 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:15,200 Like, try giving them. This kind of control is the 99 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,100 weird thing and we're saying that that's a bad idea. 100 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:20,900 And let's move back to the people having more control. 101 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,400 Now, let's say that I look at the average person that goes 102 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,100 through 12 years of, you know, kindergarten through high 103 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:32,400 school. And it seems like for a lot of 104 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,700 time and a lot of money after University the Opportunity cost 105 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:39,600 seems like, they don't get a great amount of bang for their 106 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,600 buck. And I'm speaking for myself. 107 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,800 I love school and I love my friends. 108 00:05:44,100 --> 00:05:46,600 But at what cost? I mean, that's a lot of freaking 109 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,700 time. Am I able to pursue an education 110 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:52,600 on library? Or is it just Edge Lords and Cat 111 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:53,800 videos? Oh, no, that's so. 112 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,900 And you can find lots of educational content. 113 00:05:56,900 --> 00:05:59,700 There's even a lab category on Odyssey. 114 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:02,300 And that's another thing that Odyssey lets us do, is it lets 115 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:05,100 us do some more categorization compared to the decentralized? 116 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,800 Sign of Library. So you can find, you can find 117 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,800 all kinds of things. It's not as I'm saying, it's not 118 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,800 just that it's not just the content that might be getting in 119 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,400 trouble on YouTube. I would say that's, you know, a 120 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,600 fraction of a percent of the content that you're going to 121 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,800 find on Library. You find lots of educational 122 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,600 stuff, cooking videos like and we're talking about 10 million, 123 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:25,900 go approaching 10 million videos. 124 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:31,800 It's there's all kinds of stuff available on the platform and in 125 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:38,100 terms of Education, you know, I would I would say You know, I so 126 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:44,100 I went to high school in the late 90s early 2000s and I was 127 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,500 able to be on the internet, basically at that age and a 128 00:06:46,508 --> 00:06:49,500 little bit younger. I mean, I guess actually even 129 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:53,400 like mid 90s were talking about and it was so educational for 130 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,900 me, right? I share a love of education but 131 00:06:55,900 --> 00:06:59,200 a lot of that education was coming on the internet, finding 132 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,800 weird. Interesting, people doing 133 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,200 things. And I think that a lot of that 134 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,500 stuff which was like, you know, I am Excited. 135 00:07:06,500 --> 00:07:07,500 Plenty of which I didn't disagree. 136 00:07:07,900 --> 00:07:10,800 Do not end up agreeing with over time, but it's like that that 137 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,300 era of the internet is like is really going away. 138 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,900 Like these social media sites. Have been come become very 139 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:19,900 corporate with the same. Kind of rules that you would see 140 00:07:19,900 --> 00:07:22,700 for like, your cable television standards as to, you know, what 141 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:24,600 you could do. You have to be enforcing The 142 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,300 Establishment, the mainstream opinion, and I think, and a 143 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:31,300 healthy Society, there's voices that are always being critical 144 00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:33,100 and asking questions of those kinds of things. 145 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,200 Now, the Odyssey is Obviously terrific for videos, I love 146 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,800 scrolling through there. Is it just videos or am I able 147 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,100 to upload ebooks and PDFs as well to increase the amount of 148 00:07:46,100 --> 00:07:47,500 educational access? I have? 149 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:50,800 So Odyssey is currently only just videos. 150 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,800 Although I do believe if you upload through another 151 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,900 interface, they will show up in your channel page specifically 152 00:07:55,900 --> 00:07:59,000 still for other people. We're considering how we want to 153 00:07:59,008 --> 00:08:01,500 handle this on how to see part of the reason we created Odyssey 154 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:03,300 for anyone. I've anyone who has been around 155 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:05,500 longer, a winner of everything was just called Library. 156 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,100 Darcy for a couple of reasons. One was, we think we actually 157 00:08:10,100 --> 00:08:13,400 regret calling Library TV Library, dot TV. 158 00:08:13,700 --> 00:08:16,200 We don't regret making it, but we think we have. 159 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,700 It was a mistake to put the library name on something. 160 00:08:18,700 --> 00:08:20,600 That is not really decentralized. 161 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,600 It's interacting with a decentralized network bits. 162 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,200 Like if you go to bitcoin.com yo, you are on bitcoin.com. 163 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,400 You're not directly interact with the Bitcoin Network, right? 164 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,700 And so we can't we name it Odyssey both to begin moving 165 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:35,700 away from having the the web one's name that. 166 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:39,100 We also wanted to just more to make a simpler experience. 167 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:42,100 And really directly say this is a better YouTube. 168 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:45,300 And so we some of the areas that were a little bit less YouTube 169 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:50,200 like we tweak them or stripped of them. 170 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,700 We may end up putting some of that stuff back in time. 171 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:54,100 That's kind of stuff. We're still figuring out how 172 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:57,000 people react to the to the product but the reception of 173 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Odyssey has been super positive. We're seeing like a million 174 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,600 people, a day use it. It's been and just I look at 175 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,800 Stats all the time. People are using it for longer. 176 00:09:06,100 --> 00:09:10,100 They're coming back more frequently, you know, then, you 177 00:09:10,100 --> 00:09:11,800 know when it was Library, not TV. 178 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,900 It's so funny because even when I find a good video on YouTube, 179 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:22,000 I'm like doing everything I can to find the Timothy McVeigh 180 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,700 discussion that took place at a bar on a security camera and all 181 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:28,000 the related videos to the Oklahoma City. 182 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,600 Research were James Corden. Carpool. 183 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,400 Karaoke Conan O'Brien reads, book out loud. 184 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:37,100 Yeah. Like I finally find something 185 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:40,200 and the related videos are just nothing which 10 years ago. 186 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,700 I would have been on YouTube all night hitting related. 187 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:44,400 Really. It's so fixed. 188 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,200 It's so corporate. That's why I can't thank you 189 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,200 enough for creating stuff. This is what they want to 190 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,000 amplify. Here. 191 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,900 You go to YouTube. If you want to watch your clip 192 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:53,800 of Gordon Ramsay or Stephen Colbert. 193 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,200 It's not a place to find independent voices or 194 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,900 independent thought anymore. The Brie Larson effect was just 195 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:02,900 amazing. I don't know if you remember 196 00:10:02,900 --> 00:10:05,800 that, but it was just like Brie Larson gets a chance. 197 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,700 Like overnight hundreds of thousand subscribers and 198 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:12,600 millions of views. Like it's so fake that to watch. 199 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,200 It's like, you can't even enjoy it anymore. 200 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:17,800 I didn't know where I was going with that. 201 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,700 The Brie Larson thing has been pissing me off for him. 202 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,200 Okay, there's something in economics called a network 203 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,700 effect. This is the phenomenon by which 204 00:10:25,700 --> 00:10:29,600 the value or utility a user derives from a good or service 205 00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:33,800 depends on the number of users of compatible products. 206 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,000 In other words, so as much as I like this idea. 207 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,200 All my friends are on YouTube. All my friends are on Twitter. 208 00:10:40,300 --> 00:10:44,000 I'm just going to stay with big Tech if I have that mindset and 209 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,400 that sort of network effect incentive. 210 00:10:46,700 --> 00:10:50,700 How can I easily merge over to Odyssey and Library yet? 211 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:54,500 So I absolutely agree with everything that you just said. 212 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:57,200 It's a really hard problem to bootstrap a two-sided market 213 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,700 place, especially when you're talking about an incumbent, 214 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:03,700 having them, the massive Network effect that they already have. 215 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:05,800 So I would actually suggest that. 216 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:09,300 You've made it through our most critical period in terms of 217 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,300 needing to get over that. Obviously, we are not done. 218 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:17,400 We've got a much larger Hill to climb still but the the content 219 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,700 that's available is already. It's really substantial. 220 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:23,400 I mean, go to if anyone who loads to, I see.com homepage 221 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:24,800 scroll through it, check out the categories. 222 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,000 I mean, it's it's a ton of stuff. 223 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:31,900 So it's already compelling to just go there and find stuff to 224 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:33,500 watch. And in terms of what you're 225 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:37,100 going to see presented. It's not going to be Be the same 226 00:11:37,100 --> 00:11:39,700 stuff that you'd see on the YouTube homepage. 227 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,300 So we already have lots of people using it. 228 00:11:44,300 --> 00:11:46,500 We already have that two-sided. Put a Marketplace going. 229 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:48,400 We already have that economy going now. 230 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,500 Something that we did do to help bootstrap at that. 231 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:55,700 I think helped a lot is we provided a service where content 232 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:59,800 creators could effortless effortlessly sink their Channel 233 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,600 over on an ongoing basis. So you click one thing, the 234 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,300 content continues to come over. We still provide that Nervous. 235 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,400 So if you sign up at Odyssey.com, you can copy your 236 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,800 channel over and will continue to copy your channel over on an 237 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,200 ongoing basis. But that was, I will say that 238 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,300 was key to bootstrapping because basically we went to one half of 239 00:12:18,300 --> 00:12:22,700 the marketplace and said, here's a heads, you win, Tails. 240 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:25,700 Nothing happen scenario, right, which is a great debt, right 241 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,000 heads. I win Tails, nothing happens. 242 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,900 I'll take that bet all day. And so we went to them and said, 243 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:31,800 look, you started first thing. It's no effort. 244 00:12:31,900 --> 00:12:33,800 Maybe it works out, you get a bunch of extra, you get some 245 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:34,900 extra money. You get some extra lines. 246 00:12:34,900 --> 00:12:36,800 It doesn't work out what it Cost you all you did was press the 247 00:12:36,808 --> 00:12:39,100 button, right? And so, we were able to persuade 248 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:41,400 a lot of creators to put in their content at a time when our 249 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,900 audience was not that large and we were also able to leverage a 250 00:12:44,908 --> 00:12:48,400 people excited about blockchain. So there was like a story sort 251 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,000 of in the, in The Ether, you know, out there that this could 252 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,900 be, this could be something new and big and too. 253 00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:56,500 And so we're able to do it and then we continue to deliver. 254 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:57,600 We continue to build the product. 255 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,000 We intended to build relationships with creators, and 256 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,900 show them that this is working. And then we went out to users 257 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:07,300 and said, hey come, come on. Check this out, you know, less 258 00:13:07,300 --> 00:13:11,500 ads, no ads earn cryptocurrency. And so, and then, you know, you 259 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:13,000 sort of get. So you start with this small 260 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,200 kernel and it grows bigger and bigger and bigger. 261 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:19,000 And now I think we really are big enough that, like, it's not 262 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,700 not that we're letting up in any way but it's rolling downhill, 263 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:22,700 right? It's not you. 264 00:13:22,700 --> 00:13:25,500 When you're starting, you've got to like push and then it gets 265 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:28,000 stuck and you gotta push it again and like, you know, now 266 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,000 where I do really feel like we've got some momentum. 267 00:13:30,900 --> 00:13:33,600 It was so cool. Just scrolling through Eric 268 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,400 July's feed because I'm like, Like, I wonder how many videos 269 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,900 he's posted, and all of his videos were there. 270 00:13:39,900 --> 00:13:42,800 I could use the search function and you even got the search 271 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,900 function for a specific Channel working, which saves so much 272 00:13:46,900 --> 00:13:49,700 time. It's so it's so efficient. 273 00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:54,900 One of the things that was very, surprising is right after it's 274 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:57,900 just big that the sitting president was the platform. 275 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:02,100 Don his main go to Twitter. So a lot of people went over to 276 00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:05,700 parlor and in a very short amount of time, Amazon kicked 277 00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:09,500 Parlor off its servers and now they're searching for someplace 278 00:14:09,500 --> 00:14:10,900 else. Probably a good thing in the 279 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:13,000 long run. So they're not walking on 280 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,100 eggshells. Trying to please Bezos is 281 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:19,400 anything like that a Potential Threat to library. 282 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:26,000 So to the library network? No 22 Odyssey.com, potentially, 283 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,600 but certainly not permanently, and we're trying to make sure. 284 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,400 That even that potential is low, 20. 285 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,400 I mean, what happened with? I just want to be honest like 286 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,800 whatever. The Parlor is pretty, it's 287 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,700 basically unprecedented, right? And so, you know, we're we are 288 00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:45,500 looking at providers and then being like, well wait are, you 289 00:14:45,508 --> 00:14:47,200 know, they should. So we're taking calls with them 290 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:49,500 because the the web version I want to be cleared by the web 291 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:53,400 version is using sort of traditional internet type 292 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,400 architecture. Its then interacting, with the 293 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,400 library Network, on your behalf. Again, just like coinbase or 294 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,900 these other cryptocurrencies site to do. 295 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,100 So that underlying Network. We feel is safe and resilient. 296 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:07,400 And so if you use the desktop, Like the desktop client which is 297 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,500 directly interacting in the peer-to-peer Network. 298 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:11,600 We think the desktop client is very, very resilient. 299 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,100 So we don't think that will ever go down. 300 00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:16,200 Could the websites good em, we're trying to make sure that's 301 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,600 never possible. If it happened. 302 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,800 Certainly, we're not going to be down for a week like parlor. 303 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,500 I think, I think that's that scenario is completely off the 304 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:26,900 table, but like if, you know, so we use cloud fair, for example, 305 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:30,800 for to prevent DDOS attacks, right? 306 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:34,100 Which is something that that we can face it cloudflare drops us 307 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:35,700 without calling us. We'd be down for a couple. 308 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,200 Laughs, you have to eat updated. It would be up again. 309 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,200 It's that. But that so that's sort of my 310 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,600 read of it. I think it's very unlikely. 311 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,300 I think we're prepared. I think we've been in front of 312 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:48,800 this and the whole idea of the library Network itself, right? 313 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,900 Not the web access versions, but the library knowing is you, this 314 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:53,100 can't happen. Can't happen. 315 00:15:53,100 --> 00:15:54,600 Again. That's the promise of it is. 316 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,500 We're making it impossible. So I think that that layer is 317 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:01,900 very, very safe and very secure and that and there's a lot of 318 00:16:01,900 --> 00:16:03,500 power that comes from that as well. 319 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:07,300 The fact that That layer is that. 320 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:13,300 Now, one of the criticisms that would have come up, you know, 321 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:16,600 many years ago when it's like, oh, start your own social media 322 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,400 company. That's so ridiculous. 323 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,000 Everyone's already on one with this YouTube sink. 324 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,500 I mean, it allows people to start, you know, with 100 home 325 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:28,400 runs on the scoreboard for him. It's so cool. 326 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,700 What are some other main objections? 327 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:34,000 You have to the idea that it's all over. 328 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:35,300 I'm totally black. Pilled. 329 00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:38,100 We're Rude, big Tech has taken over. 330 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:41,800 Yeah. It's just, it's just clearly not 331 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,400 over. I mean, I'm a complete Optimist 332 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,600 in this regard. Like I actually think we're in a 333 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,000 better place and in a lot of ways than we ever have been with 334 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,600 the developments of cryptocurrency. 335 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:54,900 Like, the recent events were perhaps unprecedented in some 336 00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:58,500 ways, but the government working with corporations to shut down 337 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:02,200 activity that is legal, but that it doesn't like is well, is like 338 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,800 decades, our history of that. You could Point. 339 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,900 Most recently two Operation choke point, which is where the 340 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:10,700 Department of Justice worked with the payment providers to 341 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:14,400 basically deny access to everything from like Firearms to 342 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,800 marijuana paraphernalia to probably 20 different sectors of 343 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,200 business and they were able to D bank and and take all these 344 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,099 people offline. Well, what happened to those 345 00:17:23,099 --> 00:17:26,099 businesses, a lot of got into Bitcoin, a lot of them are 346 00:17:26,099 --> 00:17:29,200 wealthier than they ever. Would have been if this DNA 347 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,800 hadn't gone after. I'm sure some of them were 348 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,000 destroyed. I'm not trying to say it was 349 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,600 like a holy good activity, but like they're not there. 350 00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:38,200 Are not actually winning. We're building new systems from 351 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,400 the ground up that are going to make it so that the could the 352 00:17:41,408 --> 00:17:43,500 control that they've had in the past is like absolutely is 353 00:17:43,508 --> 00:17:46,700 actually not possible. So I'm a complete Optimist. 354 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,100 I think they are doing things that are only accelerating 355 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:52,500 trends that were already there. And I think I think that we're 356 00:17:52,508 --> 00:17:56,000 going to win. So, you know, it's I don't I 357 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,500 don't know how someone can look at some of this this technology 358 00:17:59,500 --> 00:18:02,400 that's coming along and like and be a pessimist about it. 359 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:06,700 Can you please explain how LBC Works? 360 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:09,600 Sure that's just the so that's the token. 361 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,500 So basically library has a blockchain. 362 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:14,500 It's a public blockchains. Aleurone blockchain you. 363 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,800 There's about a billion of the token which is called LBC 364 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,900 Library credits and you use a small amount of the token. 365 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:22,000 We're talking about a fraction of one. 366 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,500 So fractions of a penny to make a new publish, you use a little 367 00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:28,600 bit of the token to make a handle and this is basically 368 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,400 making those entries in that block chain. 369 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,700 That says, you know, that you exist and Other things that go 370 00:18:33,708 --> 00:18:35,900 in the blockchain and things like information about your 371 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:38,500 content, the title, the length, these kinds of things. 372 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,000 So there's a little bit of the token required for that token 373 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,500 can also be used to tip people to pay people. 374 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,800 There's a staking aspect of the token, that's optional that's 375 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,400 related to Discovery. And we're building that into a 376 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,200 trust system, but that's, that's the way that works. 377 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,200 I will say also, I always want to say anytime that because I'm 378 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,900 a nerd, I'm a nerd, I can go deep on the nerd stuff. 379 00:18:58,900 --> 00:19:00,200 It's easy to get me to talk nerdy. 380 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,400 Well, a always you can always just use a si.com and you don't 381 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,500 need to understand any of it, right? 382 00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:08,600 It will just work. Moat a lot of people. 383 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,300 Use Odyssey and are interacting with the blockchain and don't 384 00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:13,800 even know they say we tell you hey, did you know, you're using 385 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,400 blockchain token or say what, you know, so and because that's 386 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,400 how good technology works like. I don't care about Bitcoin for 387 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,300 the sake of Bitcoin. I care that I have cash on my 388 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:26,200 phone, that when I say, I'm paying for a Cuban restaurant. 389 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,600 It's not going to the transactions. 390 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,400 Are going to get reversed as if you say by the, if you Cuba 391 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,100 Cuban and any PayPal description. 392 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:35,000 It gets reviewed by a human being. 393 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,800 If you didn't know that, it's a perfect. 394 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:42,300 Yeah. To prevent issues with it by go 395 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:43,700 Cuba. Well, that's good. 396 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:47,600 It's important to blockade civilians for what dictators do. 397 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:50,500 And I'm just upset. We're not bombing them and 398 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:54,700 blaming another country for the bombings as far as how long does 399 00:19:54,700 --> 00:20:00,200 it take to sink my YouTube channel to a brand-new. 400 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:05,500 Odyssey, It generally happens very fast and once your channel 401 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:09,200 is synced, they'll go up quickly afterwards right now. 402 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,800 We're a little backed up on new channel. 403 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,100 So it wouldn't surprise if you signed up like literally today, 404 00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:15,200 wouldn't surprise me if it took a couple of days because we're 405 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,900 backed up, I expect that to you will clear and in the future 406 00:20:18,900 --> 00:20:21,600 it'll be back to sinking, you know, very quickly right now. 407 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,900 I would say, if you signed up it might take you three to seven 408 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:28,100 days but generally at but also like, once you're through that 409 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:29,800 three to seven days, they'll come in quickly. 410 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:36,100 Seven days at the most. Okay, the how about if I have 411 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:41,000 any videos on unlisted or private on YouTube? 412 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,400 Because the second I open these, they get reported. 413 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:51,100 So if I have a video on private or unlisted, would that get sync 414 00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:54,400 with that, think they will not sink rap videos? 415 00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:55,800 Okay. All right. 416 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,200 Well, thank you for that clarification. 417 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,900 So let's say, I am so, so motivated and appreciative that 418 00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:06,700 people like you did this to really create an alternative to 419 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:09,500 YouTube. What is the best way for us to 420 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,900 support the library? Odyssey team? 421 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,700 So, if you basically by contributing in, in some way, 422 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,900 and that can be anything from one of the spreading, the word, 423 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,200 telling other people like that, that almost all of our growth is 424 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,100 word-of-mouth. We're not running advertising 425 00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:29,700 him. It's a, we got we got to a 426 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:33,400 million daily. Users not not paying for any of 427 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,500 them. It's from people saying, hey, 428 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:37,800 you got to go check this out. So if you are frustrated by 429 00:21:37,808 --> 00:21:40,900 what's going on, or you just like what we're doing, spread 430 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:43,400 the word tell people about it. That's the number one way we're 431 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,000 going to win is if that continues to happen if you can 432 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,800 contribute beyond that, that's awesome. 433 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,600 Like it's whether that's anything from, like, making 434 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,800 memes or making videos yourself, that introduce people. 435 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,500 If you're a computer programmer, all of our code is open source, 436 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:56,800 and so you can get involved there. 437 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,700 But like this. This is a community project and 438 00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:03,500 we have 4,000 people in a chat room. 439 00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:06,400 You can go to chat dot Library, dot org and join our chat room 440 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,100 and there's a bunch of people hanging out with there's there's 441 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:13,700 a movement sort of here that we're people coalescing around 442 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:17,900 the idea that what's going on is not okay, if we work together, 443 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:20,700 you know, we can make sure that it's impossible that it did it 444 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:21,600 ever happen. Again. 445 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:26,600 That's so cool. How long does it take to create 446 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,200 a library account? Pretty quick. 447 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,400 The hardest part is going to be is the way to let me be. 448 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,000 I should be specific. So if we're talking about like 449 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,600 the web accounts that's very fast created account hace.com. 450 00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:43,100 We're talking about the handle. On the blockchain that does take 451 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:45,100 a couple of minutes to create your first one because you're 452 00:22:45,108 --> 00:22:47,200 gonna have to get some of the cryptocurrency and then the 453 00:22:47,208 --> 00:22:50,500 transaction has to get like, accepted by the network, but 454 00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:55,700 either way, it's fairly quick. I just want a number because 455 00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:59,200 when I hear people tell me, oh, I shouldn't have to spend time 456 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,900 doing this now. Excuse me. 457 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:04,700 I need to go spend weeks lobbying a congressman while he 458 00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:08,000 pretends to listen to me. Yes, so I need, I need a number 459 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:11,300 that I could throw in their face and say I got this from the CEO. 460 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,200 I'd say you got no excuse. So what most people should use, 461 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,600 I see that cop. You're going to have an account 462 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,300 Creo, NADA si.com in a minute, right? 463 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:19,400 You're going to, you can have your YouTube channel sinking in 464 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,800 under 2 minutes. For sure. 465 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,000 You can have it sitting in under 2 minutes. 466 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,300 It's extremely quick. To get that set up. 467 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,900 Terrific. Mr. Kaufman. 468 00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:30,600 Is there anything that I didn't ask you about that? 469 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:35,700 You would want anyone to know if they're still on the Twitter and 470 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:38,700 YouTube's and they have so many eggs in those baskets that are 471 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,500 still for some reason. Hesitant about coming over. 472 00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:45,100 Yeah. Well I our request actually I is 473 00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:47,400 you don't have to go cold turkey if you're ready to go. 474 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,500 Cold turkey. Great. 475 00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:52,000 But like you can you can, you know, start to have it. 476 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000 That's my suggestion is To start the Habit. 477 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,800 So maybe it's just this channel, right? 478 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,600 So maybe and when you want to watch Keith, you make sure 479 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,800 you're always watching, Keith odd, Odyssey and train yourself. 480 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,000 Hey, it's a Keith video. Oh wait, I got to go over to her 481 00:24:06,008 --> 00:24:06,600 house. Right? 482 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,400 And so like begin developing The Habit, get more comfortable with 483 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,000 the interface, get more comfortable with it. 484 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,100 And like, you'll find yourself spending more time. 485 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,800 And then also, and then similarly, if there's content 486 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,700 that you can't watch in the new place. 487 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,100 You got to tell them and encourage them to come over. 488 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,800 But don't, you know, No, I don't we can't win if it requires 489 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,700 everyone to like make big sacrifices like we have to win 490 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:33,800 in a way that's like reasonable and not too hard year for the 491 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,000 normal person. If it requires this ideological 492 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,400 acceptance that YouTube is bad to get people to use our stuff 493 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,900 like that's kind of fundamental limiting. 494 00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:46,000 Where is if we're able to create something that's genuinely 495 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,700 better than what came before, everyone's interested in that, 496 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:50,900 and you don't even have to agree that there's a problem with 497 00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:54,000 YouTube to be interested. Excellent. 498 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,800 All right, and just a final thing for the audience. 499 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,700 Have you ever read a book that just blow your mind so much? 500 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:05,500 You wanted to recommend it to everyone or one or two books? 501 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,500 Yeah, I'll give my my currently most commonly recommended 502 00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:11,900 nonfiction. And fiction books, not saying 503 00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:14,300 these are like my favorite books of all time, but they're like 504 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:16,300 recent enough, red. And then I have some people, a 505 00:25:16,308 --> 00:25:18,900 lot of them. So one is, what is the name of 506 00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:21,800 it? Robin Robin Hansen's book about, 507 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,000 like What is the title of that? It's basically it's rather 508 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,100 Hansen's most recent book. It's about basically it's just 509 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:34,700 written with Kevin Kevin similar and it's about sort of like the 510 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:37,100 hidden motives and elephant the brain, the hidden motives of 511 00:25:37,108 --> 00:25:40,900 everyday life sort of give some interesting and provocative 512 00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:44,200 arguments as to why people do things that they do that aren't 513 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,400 really for the sort of superficial reasons that we 514 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,700 pretend are why people do then. I think there's some really 515 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:51,800 interesting ideas in that book and then as a thick as a sort of 516 00:25:51,808 --> 00:25:53,300 fiction, too. I really liked. 517 00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:56,200 I read the Terra incognita series recently, too. 518 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,200 Like the lightning is the name of the first book. 519 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,200 I thought it was, I thought was really interesting and it has a 520 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,700 concept that I think is relevant in it, which is sort of when we 521 00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:09,200 force certain social lies. What are the consequences of 522 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,900 that for for society? And I think it's a really, 523 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,400 really great book series. Also, I really like unreliable 524 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,700 narrators. And it's an unreliable narrator 525 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:20,700 book as well. So oh terrific. 526 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,300 Well, to help us fight against the The alleged Noble lies of 527 00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:28,500 the politicians and big Tech, please check out Library dot TV 528 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:30,900 along with Odyssey.com. Mr. Kaufman. 529 00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:33,200 Thank you so much for your time. Thanks is great to be on.