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Welcome to Keith's and I don't 
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libertarian Institute today. 
I'm joined by the director of 

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the libertarian Institute, 
Scott. 

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Horton to discuss his book 
hotter than the sun time to 

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abolish nuclear weapons. 
A collection of interviews with 

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Daniel Ellsberg Seymour Hersh 
and many others, I can't 

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pronounce those other names. 
Who are they again? 

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Okay. 
Yeah, well, there's some good 

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ones right there. 
So, after Hirsch is gar 

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alperovitz, So, who is a famous 
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I believe two major books on the
decision to Nuke Who Rose from 

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and Nagasaki and how it was all 
about scaring Stalin and that 

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kind of thing. 
And then after him is Hans, 

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kristensen from the Federation 
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And I think cpri, and, and then 
joseon Sione, who was formerly 

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at the ploughshares fund. 
Who's now at the Quincy 

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Institute is a great 
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But then if you saw the Tweet 
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there's something What was the 
table of contents here? 

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And there are some some people 
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once, but there are I'm going to
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different people interviewed in 
here and you know, just like 

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with fools there and Keith. 
It's the book is not just the 

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case for getting out of 
Afghanistan. 

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It's my history of the war in 
Afghanistan, right? 

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And same with enough already, 
it's not a polemic about, like, 

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my opinion is, we should stop 
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It's my version of the history 
of the last 40 years, by the end

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of it. 
You'll agree with the subtitle, 

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right? 
But that's really only the last 

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Which is we ought to get the 
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this right as well but that's 
the title of the book. 

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Because You know, for whatever 
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I want that statement to be 
upfront that like that's the 

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point is to quit this. 
So it's going here. 

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This book covers all different 
aspects of nuclear weapons and 

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nuclear warfare and the nuclear 
weapons Lobby, and the nuclear 

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programs of the so-called Rogue 
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including Israel and also North 
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And and also we talked about 
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Key. 
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activism and all of that. 
But yes, like a one common 

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thread throughout the book is 
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be this way at all. 
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it just goes without saying from
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Well, now that there's nukes the
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hold them at each other's head 
forever, to keep the peace in 

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this sort of Mexican standoff 
with h-bombs and that otherwise 

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we would be full-scale war in 
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Again maybe full-scale War 
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And I don't think that's right. 
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people make the argument that 
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kept the peace, you know, over 
the last 70 years since the 

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Soviets got their hands on nukes
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I think you could make a 
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hadn't got their hands on nukes 
America, mind a nuke them and 

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just invaded the Soviet Union. 
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prevented that from happening 
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Anger since Japan. 
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mutual assured destruction, 
Auction you know breaks down and

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somebody's Bluff is called. 
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may be low risk possibility are 
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should really be the highest 
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leaders in the world and of the 
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seek nuclear disarmament. 
And you know what, I'm not a 

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hippie and I'm not a utopian and
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technology Ecology, and you 
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However, it's really difficult 
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Could do it. 
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not really and get away with 
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So, if you have, you know, if 
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treaty, then you can have an 
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Eating and if anybody does try 
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then you'd have to deal with 
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But it's just like, you know, 
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slavery and so forth. 
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a member of the International 
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to be illegal in your country 
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And so, but that doesn't mean 
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better to have them implemented 
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Re so and and frankly you know I
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I'm ruining your whole interview
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Keifa part of the story here is 
that Ronald Reagan almost made a

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deal with Mikhail Gorbachev in 
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you know, he had been a real 
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first term. 
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things, affected him and change 
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And he eventually decided he was
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Blues Brothers to abolish 
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And to off the face of the Earth
and joseon Sione tells the story

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in the book because he talked 
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Shultz told him the whole story,
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state. 
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Gorbachev the translators Reagan
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And Reagan said, alright 
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I know, Raikou Vic, Iceland 1986
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of all the short and 
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This is after he just they had 
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I mean not Gorbachev of the 
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mid-range missiles in Europe and
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pouring in all the Pershing 
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terrified. 
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war. 
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all these and this ended up 
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one that Trump only broke a 
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And that Putin insisted we get 
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intermediate nuclear forces, 
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But Reagan said, let's get rid 
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medium-range missiles and 
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Hey let's get rid of all the 
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everything. 
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says can we do that? 
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mr. 
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do it, do it, do it. 
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let's start talking about this. 
What would be the frame of the 

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thing? 
How are we going to do the 

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insistence, was that we would 
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Shield. 
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missiles then who needs Star 
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didn't work. 
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year 2022? 
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these space-based, lasers up 
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all the incoming nukes. 
You'd be like Horton, don't give

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me that crap. 
You just gonna waste a couple of

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Troy, right? 
Like it's bogus, 40 years in the

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future, it's still bogus right? 
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This is the most ridiculous 
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have a missile Shield, a nuclear
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you by threatening retaliation 
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But somehow we would have an 
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United States of America from 
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over our cities. 
This is just a lot. 

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And so what happened was you 
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Keith. 
It was Richard Perle and some of

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the others and and there are 
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book as well. 
But Richard Perle, the so-called

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Prince of Darkness who was one 
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neoconservative plot to lives in
the war with Iraq in And to just

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as important as Paul wolfowitz 
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Reagan that know if you do this,
you'll be betraying your promise

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to the American people to build 
the missile Shield again, no 

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missiles. 
No need for shield. 

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So who cares? 
And not that this apiece, the 

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Neo cons because for the rest of
the Reagan term Norman podhoretz

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and all of his men called Ronald
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Chamberlain appeasing Hitler at 
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Essentially, they're calling him
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weakling and all of this stuff 
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Any good will with those Hawks 
and and frankly he ruined the 

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best chance, he was a hair away 
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from the face of the Earth. 
So that I'll tell you right 

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there. 
When Ronald Reagan and George 

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Shultz are working with Mikhail 
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that the USSR is going to cease 
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People imagined, at that time I 
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at that time, the idea was the 
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year 2000 and into the 21st 
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what was going to happen. 
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going to dissolve, you know, 
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other people were saying that in
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that 1986 not certainly in, you 
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the popular culture at all and, 
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anyway. 
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magic rice, not Superman for, 
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of everything. 
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Take care of everything for us. 
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incoming on the Americans and 
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our nukes. 
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probably have somewhere right 
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That's all Chinese got to 300. 
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So we just get down to where 
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then will host a new conference 
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We'll see if we can get down to 

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10. 
Then like look Keith, I'm 

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willing to settle for 10, okay, 
I don't know, I'm not this, I'm 

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not calling for again, it's a 
very Stark title time to abolish

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nuclear weapons. 
Well, whatever man if I could 

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get if we not, I if we could 
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15,000 nukes, we have 100 then 
that's Frequently better and it 

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ought to be more than enough to 
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You know, there was a group of 
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Generals, did a study. 
There was one. 

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I like this side but I could 
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So I'll drop that. 
But there's certainly one by the

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air force that said they could 
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hundred news. 
Well, we got 1,500 right now. 

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So let's divide by 5 and then 
see from there, right? 

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Let's do that. 
If we could do that. 

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So in the cold war, with the 
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should have done his first day 
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Was invite Putin to DC and say 
let's start signing some 

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treaties Welsh of this Russia 
gate crap. 

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Write down these damn Democrats.
Throws will make them oppose a 

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new nuclear arms reduction 
treaty will Stomp Them you know,

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something creative like that. 
Yeah, right. 

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But it is doable, it's not a 
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And and when you really 
recognize the destructive 

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capability of just one h-bomb, 
you know this one on the cover, 

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this is the Red Wing. 
Apache, test from 1956. 

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That's just one point one 
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That's one Megaton bomb. 
And that's enough to kill all 

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Houston. 
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bomb her five Megaton bomb, 
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Imagine bomb 10 times. 
That size thing, It's enough to 

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kill all of Dallas, all Houston 
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And then the same for the other 
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Shanghai everyone in Shanghai 
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Moscow or st. 
Petersburg or wherever it's just

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intolerable that this is the 
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What are we going to leave it 
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but don't worry. 
These are never going to go off.

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We're gonna leave it like this 
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Fact, this is the future of all 
of humanity. 

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We have h-bombs pointed at each 
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don't need any new ideas. 
I'm just gonna go with that and 

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don't sound right to me. 
So how's that for one big? 

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Hell of a long explanation of 
the entire book? 

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For my first answer here? 
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primary examples that advocates 
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it comes to the importance even 
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u.s. foreign policy. 
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being restricted in the early 
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program Libya in 2003 pursuing 
disarmament. 

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Yes, in 2003 and Ukraine in 1994
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Iraq, Libya and Ukraine. 
Gave up their nukes got invaded 

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and got screwed. 
Therefore, it's not time to 

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abolish nuclear weapons, time to
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have to deter aggressors like 
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Okay, well, those are all 
interesting questions. 

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Let's start with South Africa 
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nothing happened to them at all.
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because nothing happened to them
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So, when convenient right now, 
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aboveboard safeguarded iaea 
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toaster rack. 
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member of the non-proliferation 
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were, they certainly had a 
safeguards agreement with the 

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Aea and then the Israelis Bond 
it, in 1981, flying American 

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jets and that drove the program 
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the late 80s that Hussein 
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weapons program. 
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think starting in like 88 and by
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a nuclear weapons program. 
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probably quite a few years from 
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worth of enriched uranium. 
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effort. 
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should go back and really study 
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program that they did find after
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And it's true that the CIA had 
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Iraq, war one, they found it. 
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weapons program again, the 
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underground by bombing the safe.
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their military? 
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military purpose. 
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counterproductive there, 
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their their new program was an 
imminent threat to anyone at 

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that time and if they'd really 
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really have a weapons program 
not just some kind of minimal, 

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uranium enrichment program that 
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Before they would have been able
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Most certainly and again you 
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Carter and I didn't I shouldn't 
have said again there. 

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So if I keep saying this but not
today on your show if Carter and

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Reagan had not backed Saddam 
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and financed his chemical and 
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the rest of that in the 1980s, 
they might have had an entirely 

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different Saddam Hussein to deal
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None of this takes place in a 
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And so you know, why did he 
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All rights? 
Because there was a, you know, 

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Revolution next door, the 
blowback against America's 

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previous, KU 25 years before 
that, a neuron and a new Shiite 

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Revolution that he felt, he had 
to help us contain and all of 

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these things. 
So, You know, whether that could

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have been dealt with another 
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I think almost certainly, if he 
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and have been a nation at peace 
during the 1980s. 

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Then there's no reason to think 
that he would have gotten a time

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bomb for all the trouble that it
would have caused them. 

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And look what happened when they
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to make an atom bomb. 
They invaded his country said. 

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We're not even going to take the
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he might get his hands on a new 
core, something like that. 

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And the case of Libya, you got 
to understand. 

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The only reason Qaddafi bought a
bunch of Black Market centrifuge

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stuff from the pakistanis first 
generation old junk was simply 

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so that he would have some stuff
to trade away. 

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He'd been trying to suck up to 
the Americans and get back in 

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the brought back in, from the 
cold. 

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As they say, since, at least 
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who wrote article in, it was New
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know if he was the New Yorker. 
Nothing was New York Magazine, 

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wrote a piece about how the 
libyans had approached him in 

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Athens in 1996. 
Same will do anything to come 

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and suck up to you and to be 
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cold. 
And of course, the negotiations 

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under Clinton went nowhere even 
though Qaddafi was the first 

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person to put out an Interpol 
warrant for Osama Bin Laden that

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same year in 96. 
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preferred to Ally with the 
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to try to kill Qaddafi during 
that time. 

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So what he did was he bought a 
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cons garage sale and he had it 
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and but he didn't have any 
scientists who were capable of 

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making a nuclear weapon. 
Or of Designing, even a program 

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to engineer, how they were, 
would even approach such a 

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subject and I have at least in 
the long version of enough. 

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Already with all my footnotes I 
have all the scientists. 

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You know, the real nuclear 
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did not have. 
I guess it's iaea reports. 

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Even they just did not have 
anyone in Libya capable of 

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turning this thing into a 
nuclear program of any 

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description. 
Much less a nuclear weapons 

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program and so essentially 
amounted to nothing it'd be like

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if somebody, you know, put a 
bunch of junk from a queue cons 

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garage sale over at your house 
and your like, oh look here. 

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Bush. 
Have a Centrifuge. 

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And and then pretend that your 
war in Iraq is what led me to 

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give up a centrifuge to you, 
dude. 

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You know what I mean? 
You need a PR stunt, here's a PR

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stunt, but meanwhile, you have 
no capability of making nuclear 

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weapons anymore than or any less
than moammar Qaddafi did write. 

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It was just a PR stunt and if 
you remember you're too young. 

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But for people who remember in 
2003, when they did this this 

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was the narrative. 
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intimidated, Libya into Giving 
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So I know that you keep saying 
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Lining to this absolute 
catastrophe of an aggressive war

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against pre supposedly, 
pre-empting a threat that did 

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not exist in Iraq, but see, we 
threaten Qaddafi and said we 

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scared him. 
See what we did to Saddam. 

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You better give up your 
centrifuges when again that's 

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just a lie. 
Gaddafi been begging to come in 

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for the cold by that time for 
what seven years. 

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Never not gonna. 
Math on the fly. 

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But yeah, again in the case of 
that right. 

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What the Budapest memorandum? 
Oh yeah, so you create those 

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nukes never belong to Ukraine in
the first place. 

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Those were the Soviet Union's 
nukes. 

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And when the Soviet Union 
dissolved, they took their nukes

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with them. 
They did the same thing in 

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Kazakhstan. 
It's just this make-pretend BS 

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looks, it's just a lie. 
That all yes be Ukraine had all 

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these nooks and they meekly 
surrendered them and made 

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themselves vulnerable. 
They had no capability of 

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hanging onto those nukes. 
The only Monopoly on violent 

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force in Ukraine. 
At that time, was the Red Army 

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was the Soviet Union's, you 
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military forces there. 
So this is not some voluntary 

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thing of theirs in the first 
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They were a satellite of the 
Soviet In and the Soviet Union 

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took their nukes with them. 
And then, does anybody really 

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think that because they don't 
got nukes Putin attack them but 

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people just read Democrat, 
Twitter all day. 

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Is that what you think happened 
here? 

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Not you, but anyone listening to
this? 

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What happened here is that 
George w-- Bush promised to 

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bring Ukraine into NATO? 
And then Barack Obama did 

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everything to help to speed that
process along, including 

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overthrowing the government in a
violent Street, put in February 

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2014, that immediately led to a 
bloody war that killed fourteen 

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thousand people in the donbas in
the East. 

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When they refuse to recognize 
the legitimacy of the new coo 

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Junta that America had installed
in power there. 

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So, as and look, it's a long and
complicated thing, go put my 

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name in Ukraine into the YouTube
seem to give a speech about it, 

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or whatever, if you want. 
But Putin said all along and 

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including in his Declarations of
War, he's got security concerns.

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And if America truly integrates 
Ukraine into our military 

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Alliance, that means we can 
install missiles. 

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Just like, we promised, we never
would in Poland. 

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We could install missiles in 
Harkey. 

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That Could get to Moscow in five
to 15 minutes depending on the 

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make of the missile, a 
Hypersonic, could get there in 

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five minutes. 
He went like this. 

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He says, it's like a knife at 
our throat. 

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Look at what happened in Crimea,
the Russians. 

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First of all, Khrushchev had 
only given the Crimean Peninsula

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to Ukraine in 1954 as some 
internal politics in the Soviet 

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Union because he needed the 
support of the Communist Party 

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of Ukraine to help him. 
Take power after Stalin died. 

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So this is, you know, a 
trade-off. 

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But if I told you that an Edict 
of the General Secretary of the 

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Communist Party of the Soviet, 
Union was holy writ Keith. 

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You just laugh in my damn Bass, 
you know, the fact of the matter

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is crimea's belong to Russia 
since 1783 the same year that 

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John Adams and Benjamin 
Franklin. 

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And John Jay went to Paris to 
sign the Treaty of Paris ending.

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The Revolutionary War with Great
Britain was still four years 

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before our Constitution was 
written much less implemented, 

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you know, ratified and 
implemented as still nine year, 

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eight years before the The 
ratification and implementation 

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of the US Constitution. 
This one. 

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Catherine, the Great stole the 
Crimean Peninsula with violent 

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Force away from the Turks. 
Okay. 

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So if Massachusetts is part of 
the United States of America 

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than Crimea is part of Russia, 
the fact that Khrushchev gave it

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to, you know, to Ukraine as an 
administrative detail, at the 

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height of the Soviet Union's 
power in the 1950s is 

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essentially irrelevant. 
But then after the fall of the 

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Soviet Union, the Russians kept 
their Naval Base there, sir, 

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only all year-round, warm water 
Port is of course the height of 

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their priority there and they've
had their if they're black sea, 

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naval fleet stationed there for 
a couple of hundred years now 

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and they simply least the base. 
From Ukraine. 

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And there were various 
Independence movements in Crimea

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in the 24 years in between the 
fall of the Soviet Union and the

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coup and the war in 2014. 
And the Russians, never really 

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gave them much support and 
encourage them to break away or 

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anything like that. 
Then Obama overthrows the 

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government in a violent Street 
Butch and then for former 

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presidents issue a letter saying
now is our chance. 

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Kick the Russians out of the 
Naval Base at sevastopol only 

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then in the spring of the year, 
2014, 24 years after the fall of

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the Soviet Union through the 
Russian sees the Crimean 

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Peninsula and say, oh no, you 
don't, it belongs to us first. 

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Not you. 
So was it nukes. 

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That was keeping him out the 
whole time? 

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No, they were the ones with the 
nukes and Ukraine had no noobs 

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for 24 years. 
They seized the Crimean 

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peninsula. 
Angela because Barack Obama 

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threatened to take it away from 
them, simple as that. 

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And in fact, there's kind of a 
funny speech where Putin says 

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You know, we thought about how 
nice it might be to go down to 

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Sylvester Paul to visit our NATO
Partners at their new Naval base

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for the holidays. 
But then we thought, no, you 

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know, what would be even nicer 
than that will keep the base and

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you guys are good friends and 
NATO Partners, you come and 

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visit us. 
So even if we pin this all Iraq 

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Libya and the Ukraine issue on 
America, you could just make the

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case that the rest of the world 
needs nukes to be safe from the 

449
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,900
American Empire. 
That how is it that the smaller 

450
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:57,800
countries can have leverage when
operating against India? 

451
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,700
Pakistan, China, Russia? 
And the US? 

452
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,100
Well I think that's a real good 
point and you know like in my 

453
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:08,100
argument America would be having
a lead the way in good. 

454
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:10,800
Faith in nuclear disarmament on 
this issue. 

455
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,500
We're going to sit on a pile of 
7,000 nukes and assist the rest 

456
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:19,100
of the world disarm, while we 
still claim the right of 

457
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:22,800
pre-emptive, nuclear strikes 
against non-nuclear, weapon, 

458
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,100
States, and our official 
national security. 

459
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:29,100
Our nuclear posture review, as 
they do every year. 

460
00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:36,000
You know, by the way, Barack 
Obama changed that Barack Obama 

461
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:41,700
said that we I only reserve the 
right for nuclear first strikes 

462
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:48,000
against other nuclear weapons 
States or Iran but if you're any

463
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,800
other non nuclear weapon state 
we no longer reserved the right 

464
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,700
to attack you with a nuke first.
Will trump reverse that and put 

465
00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:59,600
it back to the way it was. 
Before fact, you might remember 

466
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:05,300
this one from 2008 Obama said, 
I'm sending the CIA to Pakistan 

467
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,800
the Drone War. 
We're going to escalate the 

468
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,600
Drone war in Pakistan. 
Fouquet to hiding there and a 

469
00:27:10,608 --> 00:27:13,000
reporter asked him. 
I don't know where the reporter 

470
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,100
got this, but the reporter just 
settle well. 

471
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:18,700
Geez, Brock Obama, but you 
wouldn't use nukes on them. 

472
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:23,900
Would you and Obama goes? 
No, can use nukes. 

473
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:28,300
We're talking about killing 
tribesmen, you know, one by one 

474
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:31,700
or ten by ten in the federally 
administered. 

475
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:34,500
Tribal territories in 
Northwestern Pakistan here. 

476
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,900
Why the hell do I use the H? 
Bombs for that? 

477
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:39,500
Yeah. 
Then Hillary Clinton attacked 

478
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:43,600
him because you see how naive 
and unprepared Barack Obama is 

479
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,000
for this job. 
You don't ever say that you 

480
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,500
won't use nuclear weapons in a 
first strike against even sub 

481
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:57,700
State actors in tribal 
territories, in a friendly 

482
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:04,700
country you never ever ever say 
who you won't nuke, that's what 

483
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:08,100
makes a real qualified 
presidential candidate like me. 

484
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:13,800
Hillary Clinton said that's men.
So to answer your question. 

485
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,100
Yeah. 
This Russian need nukes to keep 

486
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:19,400
us out of Russia right now. 
Yeah, they sure as hell. 

487
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,900
Do. 
And India and Pakistan North 

488
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:28,100
Korea is their sovereignty 
protected by their nuclear 

489
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:30,500
weapons and China for that 
matter. 

490
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,000
Yes, it's true but as you're 
implying in your questionnaire 

491
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:38,000
we're the only ones who 
threatened. 

492
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,900
Them. 
Russia and China. 

493
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,900
Look again. 
You know I'm not a utopian here 

494
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,600
maybe if we if we had my wildest
day dream, come true type 

495
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,500
nuclear disarmament negotiations
here, maybe Russia, and China 

496
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:58,100
would keep 50 each for each 
other to keep for the Russians, 

497
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,200
to keep the Chinese out of 
Siberia and then whatever, I 

498
00:29:01,208 --> 00:29:05,200
don't know. 
Maybe Japan will get 5 to keep 

499
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,400
China out but China's not 
coming. 

500
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:13,400
And so, if and look and and 
China's militarism as it exists,

501
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,200
now, I'm sorry, it's just true, 
I'm from here, it's just true. 

502
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,400
Then this all a direct reaction 
to American provocations from 

503
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,700
the first Iraq war to Bill 
Clinton's, you know, Naval 

504
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:31,800
provocations in 1997, in the 
Taiwan Strait and the, you know,

505
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,100
tangling with our Air Force 
under w--, Bush, and all these 

506
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:38,000
different things, have advanced 
their military. 

507
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:41,600
Doctrine. 
But, for example, if we weren't 

508
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,400
over there China's not afraid, 
that Japan is coming, right? 

509
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,900
The question will be. 
Whether again, the question 

510
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:52,700
would be whether in Japan, 
whether China is coming and 

511
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:58,600
there's no reason to think so, 
they're, you know, not that they

512
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,700
don't have some conflicts that 
need to be resolved. 

513
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,400
It imagine. 
What is at stake in a war 

514
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,800
between Japan and China? 
Now, even Without nuclear 

515
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,400
weapons at all. 
It's just, there's, there's got 

516
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,600
to be a way to negotiate a 
resolution, you know, Williams 

517
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,800
Jennings Bryan. 
Gave this speech back. 

518
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,600
Whenever I don't know, probably 
gave it a hundred times 

519
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:28,600
Beholder, Republic, unlike those
evil empires of the old world 

520
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:33,700
and he talks about how, you know
what we should be doing is we 

521
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:37,700
should be hosting peace 
conferences all the time because

522
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:41,900
we're Limited constitutional 
republic way over here. 

523
00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:45,600
Safe in North America, 
separated, from the conflicts of

524
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,200
the old world. 
We don't have a dog in their 

525
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,300
hunt, so we can just show up and
host a peace conference without 

526
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:55,200
a conflict of interest. 
And we can just do the right 

527
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,500
thing. 
Hey, India and Pakistan, then 

528
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:01,500
nobody wants to see y'all fight.
If y'all really fight, you could

529
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:03,800
kill billions of people. 
Through nuclear winter. 

530
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:07,900
Okay, we just can't have this. 
So on behalf of humanity. 

531
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,800
T, let's all sit down and figure
out something over Kashmir. 

532
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,500
China, you can come too. 
Let's come to some kind of 

533
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,500
agreement for limited autonomy 
and this and that and whatever 

534
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,400
that everybody can agree on. 
Same thing with kaliningrad and 

535
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,900
transnistria write these 
officially Russian and Breakaway

536
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:30,200
pro-russian provinces in Eastern
Europe. 

537
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:35,300
Something's going, we have what 
they call a frozen conflict 

538
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:40,300
unresolved conflict as we've 
seen just The last week it could

539
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:44,100
lead to nuclear war right here. 
He had Lithuania saying, well 

540
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:47,200
we're just implementing EU 
sanctions. 

541
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:51,000
We're going to cut off the 
Russians, from being able to 

542
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,100
supply kaliningrad by Railway, 
through their easement across 

543
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,700
Lithuania from Belarus through 
Lithuania. 

544
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:04,500
Well, that's a good way to get a
war started and there's no 

545
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,500
reason for Russia to fight 
Lithuania at cept, if they do 

546
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,800
something, Stupid like that. 
And by the way, it was in the 

547
00:32:09,808 --> 00:32:12,300
New York Times with a 
Lithuanian, I think Deputy 

548
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:16,200
defense, minister says, well, 
Rush would never attack us for 

549
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,100
this because we're members of 
NATO. 

550
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,200
I mean, if we weren't, they 
probably would. 

551
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,100
Okay, that's the economic 
incentives of the politics of 

552
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:30,000
NATO, the way under the current 
American System. 

553
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,200
But let's just say you had a 
president Paul. 

554
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:36,400
And the point was to truly in 
good faith. 

555
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,400
Negotiate a peaceful resolutions
to all these conflicts. 

556
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,800
We take the lead here and it's 
just clear. 

557
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:44,900
Give us security guarantee. 
How about the exact opposite of 

558
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:47,200
our nuclear. 
First Strike Doctrine, how about

559
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,100
we give our security guaranteed 
to Cuba Doctrine for some reason

560
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:55,400
key that I'm not sure, I 
understand when Jack Kennedy 

561
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,300
promised Khrushchev will never 
ever, ever invade Cuba. 

562
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:07,400
Again, that's stuck since 62. 
And we haven't, let's give let's

563
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:13,900
call that the Cuba level, you 
know, Ironclad, absolutely, 

564
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:18,000
steel-clad security guarantee 
and will give one of the whole 

565
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,900
world will never attack you. 
Not with noakes not with 

566
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,900
Conventional Weapons. 
But boy, don't you ever mess 

567
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:28,800
with us and we'll be safe over 
here in North America and screw 

568
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,900
Alfred Mick Kinder. 
We don't want to dominate the 

569
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:33,500
old world. 
We don't care about any of that.

570
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,900
Crap anymore. 
And if that was truly, the Paul 

571
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:40,400
Doctrine for the United States 
of America and the 21st century 

572
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,500
going forward. 
Then we'd have a whole new 

573
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:47,600
situation to have to answer, but
you're right under the current 

574
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,700
circumstances, the Joe Biden to 
insist the world disarmed. 

575
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,100
When he's the one holding the 
h-bomb to everybody's head and 

576
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:58,200
more than China or Russia or 
anyone else then. 

577
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,900
That's just obviously not going 
to fly. 

578
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,300
So we would, we would need A 
whole new way of doing things. 

579
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:11,300
Are you surprised at how 
confident NATO members seemed 

580
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:15,800
after a 20-year NATO war ended 
with the Taliban taking 

581
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,400
Afghanistan and 11 days? 
I mean, they act like they're so

582
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,900
powerful and they better not 
mess with us and the first time 

583
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:26,400
they declare Article 5. 
It was like the biggest mess 

584
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:29,100
that were totally ashamed of. 
Why do they have all this 

585
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:31,400
confidence after such a black 
eye? 

586
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:35,300
So self licking ice cream cone, 
man, the more they screw up, the

587
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:36,400
better. 
It is for them. 

588
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:40,600
What looks like not working to 
you looks like me but it's still

589
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,900
not too bad to them, you know, 
government work. 

590
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,000
So look, I mean, the first thing
they did and I only belatedly 

591
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:52,300
came to this understanding. 
A few weeks ago, a couple months

592
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:58,000
ago, it was only two or three 
weeks after officially admitting

593
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,300
Poland, Hungary and the Czech 
Republic into nato, in 1999 that

594
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:04,000
they launch their Attack against
Serbia to break off Kosovo, 

595
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:07,600
which of course is a basket 
case, disaster of a country of 

596
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,600
an American protectorate right 
now. 

597
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,700
And if we left, did be broken 
out right into conflict again 

598
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:16,000
and still have Camp bondsteel. 
There lording it over. 

599
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,800
Those people to this day then, 
of course, as you say 

600
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,500
Afghanistan, I quote, a few 
different sources in Fool's 

601
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:28,300
errand talking about. 
This one is from General 

602
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,100
eikenberry. 
I sent him the book but he 

603
00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:34,000
didn't respond but he he was 
mostly good on this but I did 

604
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,700
quote him saying, yes, that 
Afghanistan is a team-building 

605
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:41,200
exercise for NATO was part of 
why we're doing. 

606
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,300
This is just as they used to say
in the 1990s out of area or out 

607
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:50,100
of business. 
We have to find something for 

608
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:52,900
NATO to do or else. 
People will think we don't need 

609
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:57,300
it for anything. 
And then look at their 

610
00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:59,800
catastrophe and Libya, they 
promised. 

611
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,500
And this is a huge part of what 
sabotage, our relationship with 

612
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,700
Russia was that Hillary Clinton 
essentially used and abused and 

613
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:11,600
made a chump out of President 
Dmitry Medvedev. 

614
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:16,000
And you know old strongman 
dictator Putin had actually 

615
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,700
stepped down from the presidency
was supposed to be from two 

616
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:23,400
terms and and had passed power 
to and had gone to the everybody

617
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,000
knew he's still the king maker 
here. 

618
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,500
But still, he's not the one in 
the chair, he went to become the

619
00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:33,400
Prime Minister for a couple of 
years and then what happened 

620
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:39,000
was? 
Hillary promised me Ivette. 

621
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,200
If that listed Qaddafi, we have 
intelligence and all this. 

622
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,000
That's where's qaddafi's about 
the murder every last man woman 

623
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,200
and child in Benghazi we gotta 
stop him. 

624
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,900
This is your chance to really 
make nice with us on you know 

625
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:55,600
getting along on the UN 
security. 

626
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,100
Counsel and passing this 
resolution, I'm sure she 

627
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:00,500
probably threatened him. 
We're going to do it anyway with

628
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:02,600
or without a resolution but I 
forget. 

629
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,200
Now he abstained some of the 
they got China to abstain or 

630
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,900
even vote for it, too. 
I need to go back and look at 

631
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:11,400
that. 
I don't know how they got trying

632
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,700
to stay out of that. 
They could have easily vetoed it

633
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:18,600
and they had oil interest at 
stake to at the time but the 

634
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,900
Advent of went along with it and
then where they do a no-fly zone

635
00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:24,700
to protect Benghazi. 
Of course not, they launched a 

636
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,400
full-scale regime. 
Change war, or the Libyan 

637
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,000
Islamic fighting group, and 
ansar al-sharia, and other 

638
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,500
groups who were the Libyan 
Veterans of Iraq, war to, who 

639
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:36,600
fought was our Callie in 
al-Qaeda, in Iraq and Iraq, war 

640
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,300
to the now come home. 
Remember the same guys, the LIF 

641
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:44,300
G the same guys that even though
Qaddafi had a war on Bin. 

642
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:48,400
Laden night terrorism in the 
late 1990s, CIA and MI6 still 

643
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,400
prefer the LIF G in trying to 
Target him as late as 1999 2000.

644
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:57,000
So now, here it is. 
After Iraq War 2, and all the 

645
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,800
al-Qaeda guys come home. 
So our calories guys, come home 

646
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:05,500
to Libya Obama takes their side 
and uses the UN resolution. 

647
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:07,600
And the no-fly zone is covered 
to do it. 

648
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,900
Well, this, of course, makes a 
complete chump out of me, 

649
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:14,500
inventive and discredit, him and
pissed off Putin, who then came 

650
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:18,600
back to Power after only one 
term out and, you know, 

651
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,700
essentially on the theory if you
want something done, right? 

652
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:23,800
You gotta do it yourself and 
came back in and that was the 

653
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:27,900
End of the so-called reset. 
Now it's true that Obama, he 

654
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:31,400
did, Putin really did try very 
hard to work with Obama. 

655
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:38,200
He yelled prevent the full-scale
war against Syria in 2013 by 

656
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,300
striking the deal for Assad to 
get rid of all of his chemical 

657
00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:45,000
weapons in exchange for American
not attacking then. 

658
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:49,900
And he also leaned on the 
Ayatollah, Khamenei to allow his

659
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:53,200
president to seek the Iran 
nuclear deal with us, which is a

660
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,700
huge favor to Barack Obama and 
then got nothing but a bunch of 

661
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:02,000
crap for it. 
And of course I'd be remiss if I

662
00:39:02,008 --> 00:39:07,200
did not mention that Robert 
Perry believed that the 

663
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:13,100
neoconservatives push this plan 
for the coup in Ukraine. 

664
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:19,500
Not necessarily like without 
Obama's permission at all. 

665
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,900
He must have known what they 
were doing and approved it on 

666
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,500
some level. 
But Perry believe that the 

667
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:29,600
primary reason for the coup in 
Ukraine more than any other 

668
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,900
thing was to sabotage Barack 
Obama's growing relationship 

669
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:40,200
with Putin. 
You might remember to that Obama

670
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:46,100
sent John Kerry in 2016 To make 
a deal with Russia, that we're 

671
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:49,300
going to fight Isis together in 
eastern Syria. 

672
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,200
And then what happened? 
Ashton Carter, the secretary 

673
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,100
defense, bombed, a Syrian 
military position the next day 

674
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,500
and ruined it and which was 
taken I'm sorry. 

675
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:03,800
I'd have to check my foot notes 
here but they do exist. 

676
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,300
This is not just, you know in 
The Ether this was came from 

677
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:10,600
Obama's. 
People told the media themselves

678
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,700
that they thought that the 
defense department deliberately 

679
00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:16,300
sabotage them. 
Imagine the secretary defense 

680
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,100
and Who the hell's Ashton 
Carter? 

681
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:20,500
You know what I mean? 
It's not like He's got a ton of 

682
00:40:20,508 --> 00:40:23,700
political juice. 
He's just a lobbyist for arms 

683
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,700
manufacturers, but it's not like
he's a huge and famous, and 

684
00:40:26,700 --> 00:40:30,500
Powerful name in d.c., like 
Donald Rumsfeld or something 

685
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:33,600
like that, and he just outright 
insubordinate. 

686
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,300
And when in fact, you Barack 
Obama, is the President John 

687
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:41,400
Kerry lost for president. 
But it's been a senator for 30 

688
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,600
years. 
And, you know, from 

689
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,000
Massachusetts, there's an 
extremely powerful and 

690
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,500
influential Democratic senator, 
it's serving as Secretary of 

691
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:50,600
State. 
Date for Obama. 

692
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:55,700
They make a deal with Putin 
defense department vetoes it you

693
00:40:55,700 --> 00:41:00,300
know this kind of anyway Perry 
believed that the primary reason

694
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:04,700
for their coup in Ukraine was to
sabotage Obama's relationship 

695
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:07,800
with Putin and in fact I'm 
trying to remember who it was 

696
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:14,200
That was writing about if you 
listen to the Victoria nuland 

697
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:19,100
phone call, where she and piatt 
are plotting the coup and are 

698
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:25,100
talking about, you know, pushing
the UN, you know, to intervene 

699
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,900
instead of the EU, pushing the 
EU out of the way and letting 

700
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:32,100
this guy Robert serry from the 
UN come in and with people, from

701
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:34,800
Biden's office to try to glue 
the coup together. 

702
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,000
And all of these things, I can't
remember. 

703
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,200
I'm sorry who and Your man, but 
I just read this the other day, 

704
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,600
really, and listen to the Zeal 
and her voice. 

705
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:53,400
On when she is ostensibly in the
employ of a president, whose 

706
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,600
policy his stated policy is to 
try to get along with Russia 

707
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,600
after all, even his Syria policy
was not so much despite Russia 

708
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,100
as it was, despite it Ron. 
Now, you know, he was attacking 

709
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:09,100
one of Russia's friends, but the
idea was well, what are they 

710
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:11,300
going to do about it? 
And it's not, that's not what 

711
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:12,900
it's about, so they shouldn't 
take it too. 

712
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:18,100
Personally, you know, this kind 
of idea, but Ukraine for you, 

713
00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:21,000
overthrow the government, 
Ukraine twice in ten years put 

714
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,300
in a bunch of far rightists from
the, you know, National Freedom 

715
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:27,400
Party, and whatever it is and 
they're sobota been. 

716
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Yeah, you got a war and a 
problem and and to any 

717
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,700
pretension of reset between our 
country in there. 

718
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:41,600
So You know, it's not, it's not 
an ironclad, you know, a 

719
00:42:41,607 --> 00:42:47,300
top-down order either, you know,
under the presidency or under, 

720
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:50,800
you know, just dominant power 
factions in DC. 

721
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,400
I mean, there are separate 
factions with separate interests

722
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,500
and apparently they don't mind 
overriding, the president when 

723
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:01,500
they feel like they need to. 
So when it comes to George Bush,

724
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:05,200
coming out and saying we want 
Ukraine and Georgia to 

725
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,500
potentially join NATO. 
What do you See that as is that 

726
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:13,500
him provoking, is that him just 
innocently trying to build a 

727
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:16,600
peaceful world order because him
and Putin were friendly Putin, 

728
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,300
calls him after 9/11 and makes 
friends out of him. 

729
00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:22,200
What is the goal? 
When you see something like 

730
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,300
that? 
It's so difficult to explain 

731
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:26,100
diplomatically. 
Yeah. 

732
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,500
Now I don't think it was because
they were Pals. 

733
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,600
I think by 2008, it was 
absolutely a Hawkers position. 

734
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,000
The Cheney i'ts had one that, 
you know, we don't want a 

735
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,800
cooperative A working 
relationship with these guys. 

736
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,700
We'd rather have conflict and, 
you know, Fiona Hill who's known

737
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:48,700
as this hardcore anti-trump or 
who was in charge of his policy 

738
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,200
to agree on the National 
Security Council. 

739
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:57,600
She has said that and she was on
Bush's National Security 

740
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,000
Council. 
Then she confirmed that the 

741
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,600
intelligence agencies, not just 
the CIA, but all of them, 

742
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,700
apparently in their consensus, 
Warren w--. 

743
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:10,700
Bush not to do this. 
And he did it anyway. 

744
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:15,900
Now this is just 4 months, 3 
months is April of 08, it's just

745
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:21,200
three months after our current 
CIA director, William Burns had 

746
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,900
written the memo on yet means. 
And yet, which we know from the 

747
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,400
Julian Assange, sitting in 
prison right now, waiting to be 

748
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:34,400
prosecuted on Espionage charges 
for publishing this information.

749
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,000
And this is where Burns met with
lat. 

750
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:44,600
A broth and lavrov said, listen,
man, very politely will invade 

751
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,000
in Concord Ukraine before we let
you integrate them into your 

752
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,800
military Alliance, bro. 
Please don't make me do this. 

753
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,500
Please don't put me in this 
position. 

754
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:54,400
You know, where we're at, on 
this. 

755
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:58,800
We absolutely, can not tolerate.
You can't Ukraine being brought 

756
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,400
in NATO. 
We're just not going to says it 

757
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,500
could cause the Civil War and 
then we would be forced to 

758
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:06,500
intervene which we don't want to
intervene. 

759
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,700
So just, you know, drop it, and 
then there's just three months 

760
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:14,600
later, that bush announces. 
Now he wanted to bring them into

761
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,800
NATO right then to announce that
they were like on the official 

762
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,400
track to join NATO and Angela 
Merkel and I think it was 

763
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,100
Francois Hollande, was the 
president? 

764
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:26,400
It might have been Sarkozy. 
No, no. 

765
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,300
I guess it was Sarkozy then it's
just said, absolutely not. 

766
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:35,100
Absolutely not. 
And it has to be unanimous for a

767
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:38,300
new NATO, member to join. 
Why the controversy over turkey 

768
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,700
holding up new membership for 
Finland and Sweden now. 

769
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,400
But so the French and the 
Germans told Bush. 

770
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,200
Absolutely, not. 
And why just for only one 

771
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,200
reason. 
Unnecessary provocation against 

772
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,100
Russia, they are not going to 
take this. 

773
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:56,800
Well, there was no other reason 
for it, that was the reason and 

774
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:00,300
Bush went ahead and booked. 
The so-called compromise was. 

775
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:02,800
Well, we're going to announce 
that they are going to be NATO 

776
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,300
members someday. 
Anyway, we're going to go ahead 

777
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:07,800
and put that out there. 
I think yes you're right. 

778
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,300
I think that you know, 
ultimately it was a provocation,

779
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:16,200
it was a way to try to make sure
to keep the American and and 

780
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,500
Russian relationship on Ice. 
In fact, you know, I've never 

781
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:23,600
read this, you know, in any 
particular claim but you could 

782
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,800
argue maybe that this is part of
why they were insisting on 

783
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,300
putting all those anti-missile 
missiles in Poland and Romania. 

784
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,500
It's not to protect Europe from 
Iran. 

785
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:36,600
Iran doesn't have missiles that 
can hit Eastern Europe. 

786
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:39,200
And they don't have any nuclear 
missile, you know, nuclear 

787
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,400
weapons to married to a missile 
anyway. 

788
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,000
At the same time could argue, 
there are certainly not enough 

789
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,800
anti-missile missiles in the 
tubes to shoot down a barrage of

790
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,700
Russian nukes coming in. 
They've got enough to weigh 

791
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:57,700
overwhelm any of those defenses.
Right fact. 

792
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:01,000
Keith did you see where those 
the Russian pranksters pranked 

793
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,000
w--? 
Bush just a few weeks ago, 

794
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,300
right? 
After his big Freudian slip, 

795
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,800
they put out a thing where they 
Pretended to be zolensky asking 

796
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,900
him questions in all of this 
stuff and borscht dismissed 

797
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:18,000
Russian concerns over the 
anti-missile missiles by saying,

798
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,900
I'm almost certain place. 
Brain, don't screw me up on this

799
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:23,500
one 99%. 
This is where I saw this and he 

800
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:27,000
dismissed the Russian concerns 
by saying, come on. 

801
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,800
It's not like we put enough 
anti-missile missiles in there 

802
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:32,900
to deter against the Russians 
anyway, so when the Russians say

803
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:35,600
they're concerned about that, I 
don't take that seriously 

804
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,600
because there's nothing for them
to Be concerned about but the 

805
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:44,000
thing is as Putin has continued 
to say over and over again. 

806
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:50,100
It's the MK or Mark 41. 
I'm instructed by a military 

807
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:54,700
friend, they call him the Mark 
41, not the MK, the Mark 41, 

808
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,900
missile tubes missile launchers,
that can also fit tomahawk 

809
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:04,300
missiles that can be fitted with
hydrogen bombs and, you know, I 

810
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:08,200
think currently are Tomahawks 
are Fitted with hydrogen bombs, 

811
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,700
but there's supposedly a program
to reintegrate those two weapons

812
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:16,500
together again. 
So, this is now, you know, maybe

813
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:19,600
not enough to really provide for
any kind of meaningful, first 

814
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,900
strike on Russia. 
That would help us win a war 

815
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,100
because certainly see how it 
might be. 

816
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:32,100
Just enough to provoke Putin and
make him angry and prevent, you 

817
00:48:32,107 --> 00:48:38,000
know, further rapprochement from
being able to You know, lead the

818
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,800
discussion in the policy and we 
insist were doing this and we 

819
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,500
know that that will prevent him 
from taking a more Pro erican 

820
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:50,900
posture in response, the 
probably not good for much more.

821
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:56,300
Then destroying diplomacy Keith.
Yeah, I really like the point 

822
00:48:56,300 --> 00:49:00,100
you made about how America can 
lead the way when it comes to 

823
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:02,700
potentially one of these 
inspection tricky's. 

824
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:08,000
So, a can inspect be be can 
inspect C and C, can inspect a 

825
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:09,500
sort of having something like 
this? 

826
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:11,900
It's so difficult to find 
something that a lot of 

827
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:15,900
Americans agree on to, I mean, 
to even debate whether or not 

828
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:19,300
something is constitutional, a 
lot of people don't regard the 

829
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:24,000
Constitution as legitimate, it 
was written by idiots who were 

830
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,700
racing. 
Some self-interested. 

831
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:29,500
So it's so hard for us to find a
pin point to, which we can all 

832
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:32,200
sort of move towards something. 
We can all have in common. 

833
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,300
I think this could potentially 
be it. 

834
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:38,300
However, when I see someone like
Jake Sullivan at the Council on 

835
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:41,600
Foreign Relations or Anthony 
blinken on Stephen Colbert show,

836
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,300
I see that it looks like we're 
kind of run by like total idiots

837
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:50,000
almost who are either really 
stupid or they're just stupid in

838
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,700
front of the cameras because 
they have to meet the lowest 

839
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:55,900
common denominator. 
Why do you think it is that such

840
00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:59,300
average boring people make it to
such high positions of 

841
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:01,800
influence? 
Yeah, man. 

842
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,900
I mean, it's the Peter Principle
kind of a thing, right? 

843
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:06,800
It's, you know, those are the 
kind of people who want those 

844
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,700
positions in the first place and
then they get promoted right up 

845
00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:12,300
to the spot where they're just 
not capable of doing their job. 

846
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:20,400
Well and you know, I don't know.
I mean it's and it's look as I 

847
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,900
mean, I simplest explanation, 
right? 

848
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:25,900
Is that our national government 
has been simply Absurd by these 

849
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:29,200
interests, right? 
And so, that's who they want to 

850
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,600
run. 
Things is people who, you know, 

851
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,200
I just did an interview 
yesterday with this guy, 

852
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:41,100
Steinbach all about the center 
for a new American Security and 

853
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:47,100
the, oh my God, it's on the tip 
of my tongue, the, the group, 

854
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:51,200
I'm sorry. 
The what, West exec West exec 

855
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:54,100
lobbying group was created 
essentially, by the guys, from 

856
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:57,600
the Center for a new American 
Security, says all overlap, 

857
00:50:57,700 --> 00:51:00,700
Michele Flournoy, and Tony 
blinken and Jake Sullivan's 

858
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:03,200
involved and all these guys are 
just paid. 

859
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:07,200
You know, half a million dollar 
or more salaries per year, to 

860
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,700
promote the interests of the 
arms industry is just a simple 

861
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:11,800
as that. 
That's who finances every 

862
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,800
important, think tank in. 
D.c. that's who pays all their 

863
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,900
salaries. 
It's like the old joke about if 

864
00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:24,000
they had to wear sponsor. 
Jackets like a NASCAR driver and

865
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,500
people. 
They always say STP and Exxon 

866
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:28,100
and whatever. 
But what it would say is 

867
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:32,300
Lockheed and Raytheon Northrop, 
Grumman and of course, all the 

868
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:34,800
biggest banks and it would have 
this Saturday in the Israeli 

869
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,300
lobbies on there, and this kind 
of thing you can think of them, 

870
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,600
you know, just to see what think
of somebody in a professional 

871
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,800
paid commercial on TV, like, 
this is an actual, this is not 

872
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,300
actually a human, telling me a 
thing, this is an actor, reading

873
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:50,700
a thing to me, which is 
different, right? 

874
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:54,000
If you look at Dianne Feinstein 
and, you know, she's not a woman

875
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,400
with a opinions. 
She is a front man for her 

876
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,400
husband's corporation, which 
runs he's dead now. 

877
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:09,000
But Richard Blum was arms. 
Got around military contractor, 

878
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,800
I don't know if you know, I 
don't know if he provided 

879
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,100
mercenaries or what think they 
did some construction work. 

880
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,900
And then also, you know, some 
other Outsource jobs but his 

881
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:22,900
Corporation made billions of 
dollars off of the government. 

882
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:25,800
So, in that way, you can just 
Look at Dianne Feinstein, not 

883
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,400
really as her own person but 
just as a front for him and then

884
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,500
you could look at the whole 
Senate, that way, which 

885
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:35,300
Corporation are you from? 
Instead of what state are you 

886
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:38,300
from, you know, and whose 
interests are you here to 

887
00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:40,400
represent? 
And you know the whole thing is 

888
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,900
just completely wrecked that 
way, you know the 

889
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:47,200
neoconservative movement, Andrew
cockburn. 

890
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,200
I think crystallize this the 
best that it's where the Israel 

891
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,700
Lobby meets the military 
industrial complex, you know, 

892
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:56,200
the Bankers. 
And the oilmen already had the 

893
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,100
Council on Foreign Relations, 
but the arms dealers needed 

894
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:02,000
their own Eggheads. 
They didn't have any Eggheads, 

895
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,900
they had a bunch of Engineers 
but they needed a bunch of 

896
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:07,900
people to write studies about 
why we need them. 

897
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:13,000
And so they came across Richard,
Perle and Company and said, oh 

898
00:53:13,008 --> 00:53:15,800
this is perfect right here will 
give you the money. 

899
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,100
You found the think-tank and 
write this study and explain why

900
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:21,800
we need you. 
It was lockheed's. 

901
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,200
Bruce Jackson that finance bill 
crystals entire. 

902
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,400
Here, you know, over at the 
Weekly Standard and all those 

903
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,800
things that's you know, and the 
project for a New American 

904
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,200
Century and and you know, there 
was a time I think Jim lobe said

905
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,600
this, there was a time where 
about four out of five of these 

906
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,300
think tanks, were just a piece 
of paper and Bill crystals desk 

907
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:44,400
drawer, but then you have, you 
know, a few neo-cons that each 

908
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,300
one all riding position papers 
in the name of the different 

909
00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:50,700
institution and you just flood 
the Zone with it and it creates 

910
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:54,000
this giant Echo chamber and they
out Council on Foreign 

911
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,700
Relations. 
Oceans, the Council on Foreign 

912
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:59,000
Relations and then of course, 
Abrams and Boot and a bunch of 

913
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,500
the Neo cons are at the CFR. 
Now setting the tone there now. 

914
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:07,000
So they won that war and that 
was where their money came from.

915
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,000
It was Lockheed and Northrop 
Grumman who pay their way. 

916
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:16,300
And speaking of Bill kristol 
you, you were slandered unfairly

917
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:21,500
by a woman named Cathy Young. 
Here she is, she is discussing a

918
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:24,200
debate you had with her at 
porcfest I'm just going to read 

919
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,700
this Section. 
I want you to respond. 

920
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:30,100
The gist of my introductory 
remarks was that I can respect a

921
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:33,800
principled anti interventionist 
position with regard to Russia 

922
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,400
and Ukraine. 
But that unfortunately anti 

923
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,400
interventionists often seem 
unable to defend this position 

924
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,100
without one denigrating. 
Pro-freedom aspirations in the 

925
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:47,300
neighboring countries, the 
Kremlin seeks to bully and to 

926
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:52,700
recycling lies and distortions 
that comes straight from Kremlin

927
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:55,800
propaganda machine. 
And then for the next hour, 

928
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,200
Horton proceeded to do exactly 
that. 

929
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,600
First of all, how dare you 
second of all, how do you 

930
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,200
respond? 
That's funny. 

931
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,700
Well, she's right. 
That she spent her entire 

932
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:07,500
opening argument telling 
everyone. 

933
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:10,600
What they were about to hear me.
Say and why they shouldn't 

934
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,900
listen to it. 
She did not make the case for 

935
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:17,200
why we should arm Ukraine at war
with Russia at all. 

936
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,000
She couldn't. 
And in fact, all she gave it was

937
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,900
a throwaway line at the end. 
So yes, I think we should give 

938
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:25,500
them arms and intelligence. 
Thank Very much and set down. 

939
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,700
Now, I actually in my response, 
I cut her some slack and said, 

940
00:55:30,700 --> 00:55:32,800
well, you know, I'm sure she's 
really short on time. 

941
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,200
But you notice all I got was the
throwaway line there, nothing 

942
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,200
about the risks and rewards 
whatsoever about how to even 

943
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,100
think about what's happening in 
the war so far or any of this 

944
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:45,500
stuff. 
And I was just being polite, 

945
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:47,900
because, of course, she had 
plenty of opportunity to make 

946
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:49,600
the case. 
She just didn't. 

947
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,800
She essentially told them he's 
about to say, all of this stuff,

948
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,500
which of course, she knows. 
What it all is because she knows

949
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:57,600
it's all true. 
And then, so she goes. 

950
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,500
But you shouldn't listen to him 
because it's not really true 

951
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:02,200
because it's what Putin told 
them to say, or some kind of 

952
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,900
thing, which is, of course, 
completely stupid. 

953
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:11,000
And then went by, I denigrated 
the pro-freedom aspirations of 

954
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,600
the people of Ukraine. 
I don't remember that. 

955
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:19,900
Don't think that came on, she 
was trying to deny that the 

956
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:23,600
radical, right played a 
meaningful role at all on the 

957
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:26,900
Side which was completely 
Preposterous. 

958
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,500
So for me to point out, the 
reality of that is to denigrate 

959
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:34,800
the pro-freedom, aspirations of 
ukrainians who actually are not 

960
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,900
radical rightist. 
Well, that's not true, right? 

961
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:42,500
If I say to you, hey Keith, 
there are right-wingers in 

962
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:46,200
Arizona who are bad. 
I don't think that really 

963
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,700
reflects on you. 
At all my friend like what you 

964
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:51,100
live near them or something? 
I don't know. 

965
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,100
That just that issue didn't come
up there. 

966
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,200
Just not true. 
And then, as far as the points I

967
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,100
was making, well, you know, it's
going to be another week. 

968
00:57:00,100 --> 00:57:02,300
Before reason puts out the 
video, they have to kind of 

969
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:05,400
produce it with their b-roll on 
camera, angles, and Gillespie's 

970
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,700
introduction, and all those 
things. 

971
00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:08,900
So, it's going to be another 
week and then you can judge for 

972
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:12,400
yourself. 
You know, the arguments I made. 

973
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:15,800
But, you know, just for one 
example, I mean I just read a 

974
00:57:15,808 --> 00:57:17,900
quote this morning from 
hosseini. 

975
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:22,000
No, this great kind of anti-war 
right-winger had a piece on his 

976
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,200
sub stack about how they're 
trying to. 

977
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:27,900
Ooh, what was this phrase? 
I forgot. 

978
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:30,400
But they're, you know, 
laundering, the azov Battalion 

979
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:33,300
and front, white washing them. 
And one of the things is the 

980
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:35,500
azov Battalion has now changed 
their patch. 

981
00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:39,700
And they've now replaced the V 
angle, which is looks like that 

982
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:42,900
capital N with the line through 
the middle of it, which comes 

983
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:45,200
from the Nazis. 
And they've now replaced that 

984
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,300
with a trident which is 
something that you know is also 

985
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:52,600
a white supremacist symbol in 
some places but is a Ukrainian 

986
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,100
symbol apparently. 
Going back to whatever Antiquity

987
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:59,400
that has less Nazi connotations 
to it. 

988
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,200
They've decided and then the 
quote he quotes from The New 

989
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:09,300
York Times that they have 
removed the Nazi Insignia from 

990
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:14,400
their jackets that had given the
Russians the opportunity to push

991
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,100
this ridiculous propaganda about
what Nazis they are. 

992
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,800
Well, they're not Nazis, how 
come they were wearing Nazi 

993
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,400
Insignia on their jackets, New 
York Times that was giving the 

994
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:32,300
Russians, the opportunity to 
tell that lie but that's just 

995
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:34,600
ridiculous. 
And as I said in the debate, you

996
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,400
can look up The Washington Post 
and the New York Times And The 

997
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,600
Wall Street Journal, and the BBC
and channel 4, and whatever you 

998
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:48,900
got since 2000 since 2014 
between then and now covering 

999
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:52,600
what a Say Hitler, loved and 
Nazis, the azov Battalion are 

1000
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:55,000
everybody knows that there's no 
secret about it. 

1001
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:57,400
She tried to say, it was the 
Russian side that were the Nazis

1002
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,300
and that the white supremacists 
are traveling all around the 

1003
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:03,600
world to come and fight with the
Russians against the ukrainians.

1004
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,000
Well, that's just a damn lie. 
Fact have a book here. 

1005
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:13,400
Only just begun to get into from
the fires of War, Ukraine's, 

1006
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,100
azov, movement and the global 
far right. 

1007
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:19,700
As we know a radical white 
supremacist from the United 

1008
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:23,500
States and all across Europe 
have come to Ukraine for years 

1009
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:26,700
to fight on the side of the 
Nazis, against the Russians, in 

1010
00:59:26,707 --> 00:59:30,400
the East. 
And this includes excellent 

1011
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:37,100
three or four part series at The
Intercept of all places, which 

1012
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:40,800
didn't refuse to cover the In 
war except to let Murtaza 

1013
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,200
Al-Qaeda over there spin for the
job at all in this for the whole

1014
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,300
time and refuse to cover the 
Ukraine war because Pierre 

1015
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:51,300
omidyar is conflict of interest 
there in helping sponsor the 

1016
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:55,200
coup of 14 and so, but all of a 
sudden they got this four part 

1017
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,300
series about how you got literal
jihadists from the Syria War 

1018
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:02,600
traveling to Ukraine to fight 
with the Nazis against the 

1019
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,300
Russians, in the donbas, like a 
four-part series all about it. 

1020
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,400
And she actually said at one 
point in the Uh, debate. 

1021
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,300
Well, I don't want to talk about
the azov Battalion, and then I 

1022
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:15,200
interrupted her instead. 
Of course, you don't want to 

1023
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,400
talk about the azov Battalion, 
and they don't make your 

1024
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,400
position. 
Look very good at all, do they, 

1025
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,300
you know, tell me this on a 
scale of 1 to 10, how much do 

1026
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:25,800
these guys? 
Love Hitler. 

1027
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,900
Because the answer is 10 and 
they've said it over and over 

1028
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:32,700
again. 
There's just no point in denying

1029
01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:35,600
it, anyone listening to you and 
me talk about this right now can

1030
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,600
just type in azov and Hitler 
into there. 

1031
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,900
Favorite brand of search engine 
and you'll find them saying ya 

1032
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:46,100
know he had the right idea, you 
find where you know one of the 

1033
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:50,300
cofounders of the sobota svoboda
party actually had set up the 

1034
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:53,700
Joseph gurbles Center on 
political information in 

1035
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:56,600
Ukraine. 
He named it after garbles. 

1036
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,200
So, yeah, it is what it is. 
And, and I think it's hilarious 

1037
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,600
that she immediately, you know, 
knowing that reason takes a week

1038
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,900
and a half. 
So, put out these Soho Forum 

1039
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:10,300
videos, she immediately went and
wrote, why? 

1040
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:11,100
It? 
Ain't her fault. 

1041
01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:15,300
She lost ninety-nine percent to 
one percent. 

1042
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,800
In this live debate, it goes a 
rights of her build, crystals 

1043
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,600
bulwark and you know, I was too 
polite to have asked in the 

1044
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,700
debate, don't you think that 
once you start writing for Bill 

1045
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:27,300
kristol, you have to stop 
writing. 

1046
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:31,100
A reason magazine and and 
claiming to be a Libertarian in 

1047
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:34,100
any way whatsoever. 
We all disavow you. 

1048
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,300
You know, Cathy Young is the 
liberal Democrat. 

1049
01:01:37,300 --> 01:01:38,900
That's who she is. 
And go read. 

1050
01:01:38,900 --> 01:01:41,000
It's all half woke and half 
pro-war. 

1051
01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:44,300
She's a liberal Democrat. 
She's not a Libertarian. 

1052
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,400
She doesn't believe in Liberty. 
You know, somebody posted Tom 

1053
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,000
Woods was ridiculing her on 
Twitter and Chris Baker. 

1054
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,200
Who's a Texas, libertarian he 
goes. 

1055
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,700
She's been betraying us all 
along. 

1056
01:01:54,700 --> 01:01:57,300
Here's her signature article 
from 2001. 

1057
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,800
And there she is in October 
2001, saying, if there's no 

1058
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,700
atheists in foxholes, maybe 
there's no true Libertarians in 

1059
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:06,900
a time of terrorism. 
And she's saying we're going to 

1060
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:13,000
have to accept that one. 
Forget blowback any Libertarians

1061
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,100
telling you that Al Qaeda 
attacked us because of what we 

1062
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:16,500
did to them. 
First, that's a lie. 

1063
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:18,300
They hate who we are. 
And the proof of that is they 

1064
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:21,000
attacked the World Trade Center 
which has nothing to do with our

1065
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,400
foreign policy and is purely 
just a symbol of capitalism and 

1066
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,400
freedom. 
Oh yeah, sure. 

1067
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:27,100
You know? 
Yeah. 

1068
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:31,600
That's The Nelson and David 
named after the Rockefeller 

1069
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,800
Brothers. 
You know, the the 25-year 

1070
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,000
president of the Council on 
Foreign Relations and and his 

1071
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,500
brother who wrote the UN 
Charter, The Architects of the 

1072
01:02:42,500 --> 01:02:44,400
American World Empire. 
Yeah. 

1073
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,400
No, they don't have those 
Towers, don't have the slightest

1074
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,700
thing to do with American 
foreign policy as a symbolic 

1075
01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:52,600
Target whatsoever. 
No, of course not, not just the 

1076
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:53,700
Pentagon. 
Yeah. 

1077
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:55,800
No definitely not the Pentagon 
either. 

1078
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:57,600
And so she wrote literally 
Early. 

1079
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,400
She wrote Reason magazine and I 
don't know. 

1080
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,300
I like Nick Gillespie. 
Every time we meet I get along 

1081
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:05,900
with the guy, but he published 
this thing and he was the editor

1082
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,300
and he published this essay by 
Cathy Young. 

1083
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:12,100
Say now that September 11th has 
happened, libertarianism is 

1084
01:03:12,100 --> 01:03:14,500
canceled, we're going to have to
get used to the government 

1085
01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:16,400
reading. 
All of our emails, maybe 

1086
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,700
abolishing encryption, which 
encryption always made her 

1087
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:22,700
nervous anyway that people could
encrypt things because what 

1088
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:25,600
about terrorism. 
And so, you know, we're going to

1089
01:03:25,607 --> 01:03:27,800
have to go to war and we're 
going to have to That these 

1090
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,900
restrictions on our freedom 
cathie, Jung reason magazine 

1091
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:33,200
October 2001. 
Right? 

1092
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,900
When Harry Brown was saying. 
He'll know, when Ron Paul was 

1093
01:03:35,900 --> 01:03:39,000
saying, he'll know when Jacob 
hornberger was saying, hell, no.

1094
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,100
And raimondo was saying, Hell 
no, that was her take was. 

1095
01:03:43,100 --> 01:03:44,600
Yep. 
Got to do what you got to do? 

1096
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:50,100
Yeah, well encryption is 
important against the terrorist 

1097
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:51,600
government. 
When you have to keep yourself 

1098
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,000
safe from them, she gets it. 
She also said in this and I 

1099
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,000
don't want to spend any more 
time on this. 

1100
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,400
I know you. 
You've given me an hour. 

1101
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,900
Thank you for your patience 
here, just look at this weasel 

1102
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:04,600
Enos. 
Yep, that makes a lot of sense. 

1103
01:04:04,700 --> 01:04:07,800
If you give people weapons, 
they'll want to fight and die in

1104
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,900
a completely unreasonable War 
when they could negotiate a 

1105
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:15,300
much, better piece. 
Not, of course, addressing the 

1106
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:18,000
fact that zelinsky's Enslaved, 
the male population. 

1107
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,500
Not allowing them to leave 
Ukraine and conscripting them. 

1108
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,900
How is this weasel? 
Enos getting attention at reason

1109
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:32,100
and the well, Bill kristol. 
But why is this the method of 

1110
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,300
debate? 
Instead of instead of logic or 

1111
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,100
persuasion? 
How does she get so much 

1112
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:41,300
attention? 
I mean, I have no idea, I've 

1113
01:04:41,300 --> 01:04:43,400
always absolutely hated her 
guts. 

1114
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:48,200
And I couldn't say that in a 
Oxford style debate under Jean 

1115
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:53,500
Epstein rules but I mean to me, 
she's just a mangy old Mutt and 

1116
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:56,200
I always had the greatest time 
reading. 

1117
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,700
Justin, raimondo taken her to 
the Woodshed, over the years. 

1118
01:04:59,900 --> 01:05:04,800
She's absolutely horrible on 
everything and you know, I think

1119
01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:08,500
well look I she's had to go 
right for the bulwark because 

1120
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,900
Buddy in our movement, wants 
anything to do with her. 

1121
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:13,500
And in fact, somebody told me 
she doesn't write for reason 

1122
01:05:13,500 --> 01:05:15,100
anymore, but I'm not sure, 
that's true. 

1123
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:21,100
But look, I mean, she had to 
race to put this article out for

1124
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:23,700
the bulwark to try to cover for 
the fact that when the video 

1125
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:28,600
comes out working with c. 
And, and frankly, like, I think 

1126
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,800
they're quite a few different 
claims in there for one thing, 

1127
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:35,100
she puts in quotes that I 
accused the government there 

1128
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:38,600
being a Nazi Hunter, but that's 
not true. 

1129
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:41,600
And I don't ever use that term 
because I'll tell you exactly 

1130
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,800
what term I do use and you've 
heard me use it before a coup 

1131
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:49,300
d'etat Junta, the Nuku Hunter, 
the people of the East refused 

1132
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:51,200
to accept the authority of the 
new coo. 

1133
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:56,400
Junta, which yes was put in 
place by a bunch of Street. 

1134
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:02,000
Tough Nazis, the right sector 
and the c14 were the ones who 

1135
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:07,100
did essentially, did this street
push in on the night of February

1136
01:06:07,100 --> 01:06:10,000
the 21st? 
And 14. 

1137
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,600
I never said that arseny Nets in
New York was a Nazi, but he was 

1138
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,900
from a very right-wing 
nationalist party. 

1139
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,100
Although yes, in York himself 
wouldn't have Nazi and, and 

1140
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:23,100
poroshenko, the first President,
I never said he was a Nazi. 

1141
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:27,800
I never said it was a Nazi 
regime or Nazi Hunter. 

1142
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:32,000
She put that in direct quotes 
when what I call it was a coup 

1143
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,600
Junta, meaning a completely 
illegal one that overthrew a 

1144
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,900
democratically elected 
government and yes is 

1145
01:06:37,900 --> 01:06:41,100
completely, you know, No has 
been and still is riddled with 

1146
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:45,500
National Socialist, proud ones. 
So, there's things like that. 

1147
01:06:45,500 --> 01:06:48,700
And I think once the video comes
out, if anyone wants to go 

1148
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:52,400
through and say, you know, do a 
comparison of Kathy Young's 

1149
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,500
claims about what I said, 
compared to what I actually 

1150
01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:57,100
said. 
I mean, even during the debate 

1151
01:06:57,100 --> 01:07:01,000
Keith, I started out by saying I
absolutely condemn Putin's 

1152
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,000
invasion of Ukraine without 
reservation, I don't care. 

1153
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,900
And, and, you know me, dude, I 
don't Pander to anybody, I don't

1154
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:08,800
give a damn, I just called her a
man. 

1155
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,100
The old mutt, right to you a 
second ago, right? 

1156
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:15,700
I don't care which I do think 
that about her. 

1157
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:21,300
She's disgusting pathetic, but I
don't mind condemning Putin for 

1158
01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:25,000
launching this war because I do 
condemn it. 

1159
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,800
What he did was wrong, you don't
launch a war. 

1160
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,700
You don't start a war, no matter
who you are. 

1161
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:34,700
And the fact that I make the 
case probably better than Putin 

1162
01:07:34,700 --> 01:07:39,200
for why this is all America's 
fault / for provoking him Into 

1163
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,100
doing it is still beside the 
point. 

1164
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:47,400
As I say, his case against us is
rational, that doesn't mean it's

1165
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,200
a reasonable argument for 
starting a war. 

1166
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:54,700
It's not and I have not done 
enough hard work on this, but I 

1167
01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:58,200
can steal a couple of ideas from
from. 

1168
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,900
I'll have one of my own into I 
can steal from Aaron maté here. 

1169
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,000
One thing he could have done is 
he could have cut off all 

1170
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,400
natural gas to Europe, all of it
and just said, all right, dude, 

1171
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,700
in the middle. 
The wintertime to you want to 

1172
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:12,700
mess with me, Germany. 
This is what you get if you 

1173
01:08:12,707 --> 01:08:16,300
don't stand up to America. 
Now you're going to freeze in 

1174
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:18,899
the dark pal. 
He could have done that. 

1175
01:08:19,300 --> 01:08:27,399
He could have as Aaron maté. 
One of his ideas was he could 

1176
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:29,399
have oh no you know what? 
I think that was there in 

1177
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:31,700
Maltese idea. 
My idea that was one of Aaron's,

1178
01:08:31,899 --> 01:08:34,800
my idea was he could have 
threatened to just veto all 

1179
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,700
kinds of things in the UN 
Security Council until he gets 

1180
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:40,700
his way on issues. 
Is related and not until he gets

1181
01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:44,300
his way on this errand. 
Also said, that what he could do

1182
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:49,000
is he could say, bring in 
peacekeepers from some third 

1183
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,600
state. 
That doesn't have a dog in the 

1184
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,300
fight. 
That's like friendly to Russia 

1185
01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:54,600
like India. 
For example, well, of Indian 

1186
01:08:54,600 --> 01:09:00,100
troops stand on the border of 
the donbas to prevent the the is

1187
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:03,600
essentially, to force, Kiev to 
implement Minsk, to, to prevent 

1188
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,500
them from being able to carry on
the so-called low level fighting

1189
01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:09,500
in the east of the country. 
And finally really bring The war

1190
01:09:09,500 --> 01:09:12,399
to the end, to an end in the 
East, that kind of thing. 

1191
01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:16,500
And look, I'm not talking about 
America getting involved at all.

1192
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:21,100
I'm talking about what he could 
have done to put, you know, 

1193
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:23,800
neutral forces in there, some 
kind of thing. 

1194
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:28,100
In other words and there must be
more ideas to write. 

1195
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,300
In other words, he did not 
exhaust every option. 

1196
01:09:31,899 --> 01:09:34,899
He very well may have been 
feeling exasperated and it is 

1197
01:09:34,899 --> 01:09:38,200
very it is absolutely true. 
That Biden refused to negotiate 

1198
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,100
with him and good. 
Faith and that America told the 

1199
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,700
ukrainians, not to negotiate in.
Good faith to prevent the War. 

1200
01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:47,600
I mean, zalenski has explained 
that that they told me he said 

1201
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,000
that him, you know, out loud 
that they told him. 

1202
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,700
We're not really going to bring 
you into NATO, but don't say 

1203
01:09:52,700 --> 01:09:54,700
that. 
We're refusing to concede an 

1204
01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:57,700
inch on this and even if it ends
up leading to war, we're not 

1205
01:09:57,700 --> 01:09:59,600
giving in on that issue. 
Even though we're not really 

1206
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,200
Gonna Let You in either. 
And, you know, he's explained 

1207
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:07,700
that. 
So anyways, and then, in fact, I

1208
01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:09,800
think in my rebuttal, I I did it
again. 

1209
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,200
I said, you know, damn him for 
doing this. 

1210
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:17,100
And at one point, I said if I 
have a dog in this fight at all,

1211
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,400
it's on Ukraine side, not 
Russia's side. 

1212
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:24,500
My wife has family there still 
and in fact she has some family 

1213
01:10:24,500 --> 01:10:28,000
inside, Russia kid, who could 
get conscripted and be forced to

1214
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:30,900
fight and get killed in this war
on the Russian side. 

1215
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:36,700
So I'm absolutely anti-war from 
on that Russian point of view 

1216
01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:39,300
side on what them to win. 
I want them to Stop the war 

1217
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:41,200
immediately. 
This young man's life is in 

1218
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:46,000
danger and then all these people
in Odessa my wife's people who 

1219
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,900
are still there who, you know, 
there have been, there's been 

1220
01:10:49,900 --> 01:10:52,500
some shelling in Odessa the 
worst of the war hasn't gotten 

1221
01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:55,000
there so far. 
I'd like to see an end of the 

1222
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:59,300
war right now. 
And I, as far as like, you know,

1223
01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:03,300
morality goes and whatever, my 
heart is with the civilian 

1224
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:06,300
population of Ukraine, the 
civilian population of Russia's 

1225
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:08,600
and threaten other than the 
young men being conscripted. 

1226
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,000
But the civilian population of 
Ukraine there, the only white 

1227
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,900
hats in this story, right? 
Not the militaries of either 

1228
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:18,100
side. 
So that's where my sympathies 

1229
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:22,600
lie but also my sympathies lie 
with the truth with the reality 

1230
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,800
in the real context of what's 
going on here. 

1231
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:28,500
So then she gets up in her 
closing and says oh well I guess

1232
01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:33,000
Scott thinks that Putin is just 
a perfect little angel who never

1233
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:38,200
hurt anyone and he just believes
everything that Putin says, but 

1234
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,600
the only time, That I quoted 
Putin was when he was saying, I 

1235
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,300
take this to be a threat and I'm
warning you right. 

1236
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,600
I wasn't saying, we know that a 
thing is true because Putin said

1237
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,900
it was true. 
Like, for example, I brought up 

1238
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:55,600
Bill Clinton's support for the 
chechens in 1999 and I said and 

1239
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,600
boot incited this to and his 
declaration of war and said, you

1240
01:11:58,608 --> 01:12:00,400
think we've forgotten that we 
have it. 

1241
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,700
But I also said, I have all 
these sources. 

1242
01:12:03,700 --> 01:12:08,200
I wasn't citing him as a source 
before I said that he remembers 

1243
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,200
that inside. 
In his declaration of war. 

1244
01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:14,300
I said, I have all these other 
sources to, which I didn't cite 

1245
01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:16,700
in the moment. 
But if you've read fools there 

1246
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:20,900
and, you know, I already site in
there, Coleen Rowley, and 

1247
01:12:20,900 --> 01:12:25,000
stratfor for saying that Bill 
Clinton and the Washington Post.

1248
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:27,600
Now, the Washington Post didn't 
admit the CIA role but they said

1249
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,500
the Saudis are doing the whole 
thing. 

1250
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:34,400
Well, that's the CIA dummy and 
then there's stratfor that says 

1251
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:39,500
it was the CIA doing it. 
And by the way, Funny story. 

1252
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:41,800
I couldn't find it at Wikileaks 
and I was going crazy. 

1253
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,200
No, the stratfor emails that are
late on there and I was going 

1254
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:46,600
crazy. 
So many confront me on Twitter 

1255
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,100
was like, hey, you said it was 
in the stratfor Wikileaks and I 

1256
01:12:49,108 --> 01:12:51,300
can't find that anywhere. 
I was like, what? 

1257
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,200
I don't get that footnote wrong.
I know and I went I couldn't 

1258
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,000
find it either and I was going 
crazy. 

1259
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,500
So then I took Wikileaks out of 
my search and oh, that's right, 

1260
01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:02,800
it's right there on Strat Force 
website, it's not of the 

1261
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,200
Wikileaks. 
It's right there. 

1262
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,400
On Stratford's website, you can 
find it right? 

1263
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,600
This second that Bill Clinton 
back The Chechen terrorists 

1264
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,700
against Russia in 1999 and in 
now I got a new Even Better 

1265
01:13:13,700 --> 01:13:17,100
Batter a source than that that 
you can find reprinted at Scott 

1266
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:21,600
Horton, dot orgs fair. 
Use, it's by Yosef bogdanski who

1267
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,600
was the chief investigator for 
the Senate. 

1268
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,900
I think, intelligence or armed 
services committee and he wrote 

1269
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:32,700
this massive thing all about it.
That's, you know, the going to 

1270
01:13:32,700 --> 01:13:35,800
be now the Premier Source and 
remember by the way, the Colleen

1271
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,900
rally article about this, you 
know, calling rally is She was 

1272
01:13:38,900 --> 01:13:43,300
the lawyer for the FBI in 
Minneapolis Minnesota, who 

1273
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:46,000
wanted to bust Zacharias 
moussaoui. 

1274
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,400
Because he wanted to learn how 
to fly a plane, but he didn't 

1275
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,400
want to know how to take off her
Land one and they had 

1276
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,800
connections, they connected him 
to his brother, to the Jihad in 

1277
01:13:57,100 --> 01:13:59,000
chechnya. 
But then what happened? 

1278
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:04,600
Keith FBI headquarters said we 
like the jihadists in chechnya 

1279
01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:09,500
so his tied to them doesn't 
count as a Tied to International

1280
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:13,500
terrorism so you can't get your 
foreign intelligence 

1281
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:16,600
surveillance warrant to search 
his computer and we know now 

1282
01:14:16,700 --> 01:14:19,900
that once they did search this 
computer, it led directly to the

1283
01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:23,200
hijackers in Florida, they could
have stopped the September 11th 

1284
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:27,700
attack but they said not when 
when suicide bombers working for

1285
01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:30,700
Osama Bin Laden fight in 
chechnya their moderate Rebel 

1286
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:35,200
Heroes and we love them. 
And so warrant application 

1287
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,400
denied they weren't even allowed
to take it to the court, their 

1288
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,100
supervisors that The FBI and 
Department of Justice wouldn't 

1289
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:43,100
even let them take it to the 
fisa court because that was Bill

1290
01:14:43,100 --> 01:14:49,100
Clinton's covert op at the time.
And, and then I go Yeah, and and

1291
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:52,000
Putin said that that's still 
pisses him off to and she goes 

1292
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:56,000
oh you believe him? 
Yeah, I believe him when he 

1293
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,700
said, there's something makes 
him mad. 

1294
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,700
I believe him when he says, you 
know, I could be in Kiev in two 

1295
01:15:01,700 --> 01:15:04,900
weeks. 
And if you try to bring Ukraine 

1296
01:15:04,900 --> 01:15:07,000
into NATO, that's exactly what 
I'll do. 

1297
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,400
Yeah, I believe that I believe 
his threats. 

1298
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:15,000
I got the same thing from my 
Pulse Nightclub video. 

1299
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,100
They're like, oh, so you just 
take the words of terrorists, 

1300
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:21,200
like, Omar Mateen, it's like it.
Look, look at his words. 

1301
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,900
He's saying like, you know, 
they, they murdered friends of 

1302
01:15:23,900 --> 01:15:28,700
mine to guy named Wahid. 
They are bought their up 

1303
01:15:28,700 --> 01:15:32,200
planning with the Russians to 
bomb places in Syria there. 

1304
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:36,500
Killing people in Fan and Iraq. 
And they're like, oh you believe

1305
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:38,700
that? 
Don't, you isn't that like the 

1306
01:15:38,700 --> 01:15:41,700
most believable thing in the 
world and they take it as 

1307
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:43,100
weekday. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1308
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:48,100
TV says, he hates gay people. 
So I'm going to take the word of

1309
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:53,400
these known proven Liars who 
have no evidence whatsoever, 

1310
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:57,000
that that was his motive at all.
And I'm going to take their word

1311
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,600
over the words of the guy who 
goes, here's my motive and then 

1312
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,300
explains his motive over the 
course of two and a half. 

1313
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,200
Hours while the cops weight in 
cowardly tear outside while 

1314
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,300
these people are bleeding to 
death like Uvalde. 

1315
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:13,800
You know, it's just yeah and by 
the way and we know now because 

1316
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,800
it came out at the trial sworn 
testimony from the feds 

1317
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:20,600
themselves admitted that 
mountain wanted to attack Disney

1318
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,200
World, not because of how gay it
is. 

1319
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,900
But because that's where all the
civilian targets are but he 

1320
01:16:25,900 --> 01:16:28,400
realized that they have to tide 
of security there. 

1321
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,700
You got to get through 10 rings 
of goons before, you can get to 

1322
01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:36,400
the fun part of the Park right? 
So then he typed in nightclub 

1323
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,300
into Google on his phone and 
Pulse Nightclub was the first 

1324
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:42,200
one that came up so he went 
there and then when he walked up

1325
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,400
he said we're all the girls. 
Because he didn't realize, he 

1326
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,100
didn't know why. 
It was almost entirely men. 

1327
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:50,800
And there were some women in 
there, but it was almost 

1328
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,300
entirely men that so that had 
absolutely nothing to do. 

1329
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,500
And what are the government say,
the government said, he did this

1330
01:16:56,500 --> 01:17:00,800
one because radical Islam says 
that you have to hate and murder

1331
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,200
gay people and to because Mateen
was gay. 

1332
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:08,100
And so he had to hate and murder
himself because of his Freudian 

1333
01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:10,900
self-hatred over the thing, over
him not supposed to be. 

1334
01:17:10,900 --> 01:17:13,500
This is all a lie, 100% of a 
lie. 

1335
01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:17,900
But no, the Ripped of him 
telling the 911 operator and the

1336
01:17:17,900 --> 01:17:21,300
transcript of what he wrote on 
Facebook about why he did this. 

1337
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:24,100
You should definitely dismiss 
that when he says, I'm doing 

1338
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:26,700
this because Barack Obama is 
killing women and children in 

1339
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:34,500
Syria. 
So do you believe Putin asked 

1340
01:17:34,500 --> 01:17:38,500
Bill Clinton if Russia could 
join nato in 1999, and what do 

1341
01:17:38,500 --> 01:17:39,700
you think Clinton should have 
done? 

1342
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,800
There's there's good sourcing on
that and I have to say, man at 

1343
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,300
the time I was a new world order
cook and this is what What I 

1344
01:17:45,308 --> 01:17:48,200
thought was the whole game of 
the New World Order, get it 

1345
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:52,600
thesis antithesis synthesis. 
Now, we become more like the 

1346
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,400
Russians, as they become more 
like us. 

1347
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,400
And we join our forces together 
into the oneworld, white Army of

1348
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,800
the North, and then attack 
Islamic South Asia, or China. 

1349
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,400
Although they got nukes. 
So hope not that. 

1350
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:09,400
And that was what? 
And look, that was not complete 

1351
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,800
BS. 
I mean, I was wrong and that was

1352
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,200
not the way it was heading. 
But, you know, Bill Clinton's 

1353
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,400
guy strobe Who led NATO 
expansion, he had written in 

1354
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:21,300
Time magazine in 1992, the birth
of the global nation and soon 

1355
01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:23,800
All Nations on Earth will 
recognize a single Global 

1356
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:28,100
Federal authority over all Etc. 
And you know, there are a lot of

1357
01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:30,500
indications during the Clinton 
years that there were people who

1358
01:18:30,500 --> 01:18:33,800
really were pushing for World 
federalism and ultimately for 

1359
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:37,400
bringing Russia into NATO and 
they created the nato-russia 

1360
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,600
council. 
But what I did not understand 

1361
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,900
was that the right wing in the 
United States and I don't mean 

1362
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:45,500
in America like that. 
People. 

1363
01:18:45,500 --> 01:18:49,700
I mean the militarists the 
military-industrial complex side

1364
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:53,600
one and nothing to do with them 
because they need Russia to have

1365
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:58,000
an adversary. 
They need an and you know I 

1366
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,800
think even in the Pentagon to 
the idea was, you know, we could

1367
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,700
tell the Germans what to do. 
If we bring the Russians into 

1368
01:19:05,700 --> 01:19:09,300
our military lines, they're 
going to have a say, we're going

1369
01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:11,600
to have to cooperate with them 
while we're going to standardize

1370
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,200
our two militaries together, but
then they're going to really I 

1371
01:19:15,208 --> 01:19:17,900
have a voice and a veto 
specially all the nooks they 

1372
01:19:17,900 --> 01:19:20,400
have and everything and I'm 
going to turn control over all 

1373
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,100
that sauce. 
It would be much more of a 

1374
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:26,500
partnership rather than an 
American dominated order and its

1375
01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:28,700
didn't want to do that. 
They weren't willing to do that 

1376
01:19:28,700 --> 01:19:30,700
and that's something that I'm 
working on and that's one of the

1377
01:19:30,700 --> 01:19:33,100
chapters in the book that I'm 
working on. 

1378
01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:37,200
Now about the background of this
was, you know, the different 

1379
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,100
tides and pushes inside the 
government over, whether they 

1380
01:19:41,100 --> 01:19:44,200
were going to bring Russia into 
NATO or whether they were not 

1381
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,800
and etcetera. 
And now he also asked bush in 

1382
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,200
July of 2001. 
Hey man, what about us joining 

1383
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,600
NATO, I guess he has colon 
Powell and then they just didn't

1384
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,400
even answer him. 
There's didn't even want to talk

1385
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:59,100
about it at all and then that 
was their plan was to, you know,

1386
01:19:59,108 --> 01:20:01,900
they had John Bolton in there 
and the plan was to tear up, the

1387
01:20:01,900 --> 01:20:07,000
anti-ballistic missile treaty, 
and expand so-called missile 

1388
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,800
defenses. 
And all of these things over 

1389
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,600
Russia's dead body and what are 
they going to do about it and 

1390
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:17,400
continue on NATO expansion? 
No, I think it's true that on 

1391
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:23,900
the American side that in a way,
they believe their own BS about 

1392
01:20:23,900 --> 01:20:26,900
look, man, we told you a hundred
times. 

1393
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:32,200
This is a defensive Alliance and
if we wring your entire country 

1394
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,500
bring every single nation in 
Eurasia into our defensive 

1395
01:20:35,500 --> 01:20:39,300
Alliance that stepped you, it's 
still defensive as long as you 

1396
01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:42,500
don't attack anybody. 
Everything will be fine will 

1397
01:20:42,500 --> 01:20:44,600
never attack you. 
Why would we do that? 

1398
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:49,100
But I think they believe that I 
think during the Cold War, they 

1399
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:51,500
believe that as well. 
We're not going to do a first 

1400
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:54,400
strike against the Soviet Union.
We're just here to keep them out

1401
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,100
of Western Europe, but then is 
Ray McGovern tells me, and it's 

1402
01:20:57,100 --> 01:21:00,100
in the book. 
When the Soviet Union fell and 

1403
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:03,200
they went over there and they 
talked to the Soviets they said,

1404
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,400
man, we weren't going to invade 
Western Europe. 

1405
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,800
We were afraid that you guys 
were going to hit us first. 

1406
01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:13,200
We weren't had no plan 
whatsoever to attack. 

1407
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:17,100
You got, you know what I mean? 
So this kind of thing is again, 

1408
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:18,800
it's a self licking ice cream 
cone, right? 

1409
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:23,100
It's built in to the frame of 
the thing is that, of course, 

1410
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:24,500
you need us. 
Now. 

1411
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:26,100
Let's figure out why you need 
us. 

1412
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:33,300
In fact. 
You know, at the end of 2018, 

1413
01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:39,300
know, the end of 2019, the New 
York Times ran a story about how

1414
01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:44,100
they had a big emergency NATO 
meeting about how they don't 

1415
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:47,200
have anything to do and they 
don't have a purpose in the 

1416
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,700
world and they're afraid that 
the pressure is going to 

1417
01:21:49,700 --> 01:21:52,600
increase on them. 
You know Trump had made some 

1418
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,800
signals that were wildly isn't 
misinterpreted to mean that he 

1419
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,800
really meant to leave NATO or 
Like that. 

1420
01:21:58,900 --> 01:22:01,000
But they, you know, saw this 
sort of negative pressure 

1421
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,700
against them and they said, we 
need a new reason to exist. 

1422
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,400
So they held a big meeting, an 
emergency meeting, they called 

1423
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,400
it. 
And they decided at the end, the

1424
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:17,600
new reason for NATO is China, 
the North Atlantic Treaty 

1425
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,600
Organization is new. 
Enemy is in the South Pacific. 

1426
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:26,100
and, Out of area or out of 
business. 

1427
01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:28,700
So let we had to find something 
to do it's China. 

1428
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:33,300
Now, luckily this Ukraine thing 
came up and they're able to say,

1429
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:36,900
oh no, they're protecting 
Western Europe from Russian 

1430
01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:40,000
advances, but of course, we can 
see. 

1431
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,500
And, you know, people got mad at
me for interviewing William 

1432
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:45,600
Arkin because he was telling a 
lot of, you know, sort of our 

1433
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,100
government's current narrative 
side of the story about how bad,

1434
01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:50,500
the Russians are doing in 
Ukraine and stuff like that. 

1435
01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:53,900
But I like William are can even 
when I disagree with him because

1436
01:22:53,900 --> 01:22:57,400
I think He's an honest guy, not 
a liar, I think he's wrong 

1437
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,300
sometimes, but I think that 
he'll tell you exactly what he 

1438
01:23:00,300 --> 01:23:03,500
thinks. 
So his narrative was meant in 

1439
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:07,000
the Russian suck and then 
ukrainians are kicking their 

1440
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,300
ass. 
But then what's his conclusion 

1441
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:12,300
from that his conclusion from 
that as he told me in that 

1442
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:16,500
interview was well, apparently 
NATO doesn't need one more dime,

1443
01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:23,600
not one more dime and apparently
Russia is no threat to Lithuania

1444
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,100
Latvia. 
Estonia Poland, Hungary Slovakia

1445
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:33,500
whatsoever, there are threat to 
Nato none whatsoever because 

1446
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:35,500
look at what a poor job. 
They're doing fighting in 

1447
01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:39,400
Ukraine, right? 
So, you know, take relieve his 

1448
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,400
interpretation of exactly how 
well they're doing or not in 

1449
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,800
Ukraine. 
I think, you know, people who 

1450
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,100
tend to side more with the 
Russians aren't doing that, bad 

1451
01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:51,500
narrative will admit that, they 
probably shouldn't have invaded 

1452
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:54,100
from 17 different directions at 
once or whatever. 

1453
01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:59,000
Was and that they did suffer 
some major setbacks in some 

1454
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:04,400
places but I don't think anybody
argues whether they rule almost 

1455
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,400
the entire donbas at this point 
and that Ukraine is never 

1456
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:12,300
getting it back, so you know, 
but are they marching all the 

1457
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:14,900
way to the knee / river or they 
marched and all the way to 

1458
01:24:14,900 --> 01:24:17,600
Moldova and Romania and Poland? 
Hell, no. 

1459
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,100
They're not, they're just not. 
And they have no capability of 

1460
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:25,900
doing. 
So evidently, so You know, I 

1461
01:24:25,907 --> 01:24:28,600
think that's the good news, 
right? 

1462
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:32,200
Is just like, back in the days 
of the Soviet Union that Red 

1463
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:36,400
Army was mostly just a paper 
tiger and the current Russian 

1464
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,800
army is as well. 
So, you know, time is on their 

1465
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,200
side in this one. 
But do they really pose an 

1466
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:45,100
external threat to anyone else? 
Probably not. 

1467
01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:46,300
And I forgot what the question 
was. 

1468
01:24:46,300 --> 01:24:49,600
No. 
Sorry, there's a lot that's 

1469
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:53,500
totally fine. 
The book is hotter than the sun 

1470
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,500
time. 
Abolish nuclear weapons 

1471
01:24:56,500 --> 01:24:59,300
available now. 
Links will be in the description

1472
01:24:59,500 --> 01:25:01,100
below. 
Scott, Horton, thank you for 

1473
01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:02,800
your time. 
Thank you very much. 

1474
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:03,300
Keith for having