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My basic motivation for being a 
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economic. 
But morale while I was convinced

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that the free market was more 
efficient and would bring about 

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a far more prosperous world than
statism. 

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My major concern was moral the 
Insight, that coercion and 

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aggression of one man, over 
another was criminal and 

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iniquitous, and must be combated
and abolished. 

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Welcome to Keith's night. 
Don't tread on anyone and the 

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libertarian Institute. 
Today. 

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We're going to talk about enough
already time to end the war on 

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terrorism with Scott, Horton, 
Scott. 

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Where's the best place to? 
Find the book. 

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Well, the easiest thing of 
course is Amazon, but if you go 

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to enough already, dotnet it 
affords, you onto the page at 

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the libertarian Institute there,
and we've got links to eight or 

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ten different sources. 
So you can get it from Powell's 

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Books, and smashwords, and 
Scribd, and I don't know more 

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like that. 
So Barnes & Noble as well. 

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So if you don't like Amazon, 
there's plenty of competition 

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where you can get it to nice. 
That link will be in the And 

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below, I want to quote from 
Osama Bin Laden in tactical 

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recommendations. 
He says, then the fighters 

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realized that the gang in the 
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Could not see things clearly in 
that their leader that idiot. 

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They obey was claiming that we 
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truth which this Pharaoh would 
like to hide is that we are 

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attacking them because of their 
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world, and especially Palestine,
and Iraq, as well as their 

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occupation of the land of the to
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This is a quote from Osama bin 
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Is this the reason or is it 
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Because they're scared? 
That America is a hurdle to 

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them, spreading a worldwide 
Islamic caliphate. 

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Well, yeah, both right. 
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about that and because there's 
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You know, Bin Laden is a mass 
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So who cares what he thinks and 
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words that he says, he's a 
murderer than he's also de 

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facto. 
To be taken as a liar, right? 

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Screw him. 
Why quote hint. 

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But the point is how quotable he
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And that, when he said the 
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his pitch to get people to agree
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This is a tiny little group of 
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super power. 
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his actions. 
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And so he was focusing on the 
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Doing now at the same time the, 
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fantasy on their part. 
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absolute ridiculous pipe dream. 
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our caliphate with Bin Laden, or
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it. 
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standing in our way by 
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dictators. 
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talking about a few hundred 
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from the last war where they had
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Intelligence agencies, helping 
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in the 1980s. 
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power to overthrow the king of 
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military dictatorship in Egypt 
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They wanted to see overthrown, 
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essentially be mad, but then 
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own forces together. 
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compromise that lets attack 
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they were trying to bring 
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different countries. 
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on attacking the King of Jordan 
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So they said well, let's is the 
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settle on. 
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far enemy and we'll attack them 
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to bankruptcy the same way we 
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And once they're no longer here 
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and president's days and 
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accomplish our Revolution. 
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provoke America into reacting 
giving itself their own Vietnam.

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Just as we had helped these same
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Worked. 
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Bin Laden's goals, he was trying
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and we're certainly on the 
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But also to weaken all of 
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know, America's local dictators 
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government supports and then to 
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religious sense. 
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fundamentalism by some in these 
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and in Syria, and so, you know, 
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Laden or his Terrace son. 
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Arabia then and they still 
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throne in Egypt, right? 
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ultimate goal of these guys, 
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but they did create a caliphate 
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Syria. 
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the sykes-picot. 
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Iraq and Syria and some jackass 
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Baccarat baghdady was able to go
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balcony like Osama Bin Laden 
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that he was the caliph. 
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ruler of the new caliphate to 
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and this absolute Madness that 
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attack on the United States. 
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This is the absolute ultimate 
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Pipe dream of Osama bin Laden. 
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And at the time of, you know, 
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and the Bush Administration was 
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and insulting propaganda against
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an Islamic fascists, caliphate 
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We're between baathist Iraq, and
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Arabia, and hashemite Jordan. 
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It's not in Egypt. 
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secular military dictator under 
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years. 
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25 so, you know, essentially 
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All of Osama bin Laden's agenda 
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Steps of everything that he and 
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accomplish with the September 
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against the United States for 
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And they've been strategic 
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And who Keith Wright the 
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They get to use these guys as 
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fight against their Shiite 
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Yemen sure, but They get to use 
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weapons in order to fight 
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their own reasons and and, you 
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their own countries intelligence
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their own. 
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intervening right now. 
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Look at the mess that we've made
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and never even mine Afghanistan 
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just think about what's going on
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It's just an absolute 
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And as Jeff Huber said, I love 
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were.com columnist and humorous,
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Bin, Laden dead, and Loving It. 
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If he's been shot in the head, 
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That was all he ever wanted was 
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Head while having just over seen
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Come true from here. 
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And and in fact, I like, I like 
ordering this. 

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He says he says, eat your heart 
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and how do you like them apples 
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Because here is the world's 
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I move the most powerful armies 
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the Attic even from his own wife
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But meanwhile, he controls the 
Destinies of 100 million men 

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every day. 
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Whatever he On some play out, 
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about. 
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I'm rambling but I know it's 
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The opposite of that is if it 
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let's all. 
Stop a listen to Ron Paul who 

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warned us, this was going to 
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wants to do. 
He wants to send Special 

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Operations forces to kill, only 
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And there, you know, 100 closest
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And that's it. 
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has, as he said, explicitly, and
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errand. 
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Ali because we had we're in a 
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where we must hold the guilty 
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rest of the Muslim World know 
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That we are not their enemy. 
That we do not hate Muslims that

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we do not hate Arabs, and it's 
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And the only reason we were 
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the Soviet communist, but you 
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That was a long time ago now, 
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that would have been what he had
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that and and and the 
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been opened up there. 
For America to actually, if they

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believed in this Freedom agenda 
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lecture them about their lack of
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blood-soaked. 
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at least no longer. 
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president of the Council on 
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to. 
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ended. 
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celebration, we had to, we had 
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This was followed less than a 
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coming together of the world to 
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effort to conquer Kuwait. 
Something that would have had 

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enormous consequences. 
If it had been allowed to stand 

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toward the end, United States 
work closely with 14 other 

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members of the UN security. 
Already canceled to repudiate 

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Iraq's aggression and to 
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enforce. 
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ensure that Iraq would not 
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would pay an enormous price for 
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A large Coalition of dozens of 
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different ways, was built to 
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not threaten Saudi Arabia. 
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sanctions failed to dislodge 
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rack, out of the country and 
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And Government final quote here.
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underscore though that the u.s. 
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humanitarian. 
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about a separate Kurdish state 
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separate. 
She estate in the South or to 

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overthrow the existing political
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What's wrong with helping 
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Boy. 
Well, I tell you what, in my new

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book, there's a whole chapter or
I guess it's a subchapter in the

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massive chapter one. 
Our is on Iraq war one that puts

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the lie to every bit of that. 
You know, what happened was 

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Iraq. 
Have a legitimate border dispute

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with Kuwait and the Kuwait. 
He's were overproducing from 

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their shared oil wells and they 
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calling in all of their loans 
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dignity. 
Every way that they could, And I

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make the case in the book, that 
I don't really believe that this

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was deliberate, but that in 
effect, they trapped Saddam 

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Hussein into the war the CIA and
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We're encouraging the Kuwait. 
He's to be tough and brave, and 

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stand up to him. 
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The state department was telling
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Yeah, go ahead break their nice 
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The northern oil fields. 
What do we care as the American 

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ambassador later, said to the 
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Well, we didn't think he was 
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It wasn't just April glass piece
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also Margaret Tutwiler, and I'm 
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testified to Congress, that we 
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We're not responsible for that. 
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If Saddam invades there? 
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don't think it is. 
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other things. 
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It seems like the official 
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were extremely concerned about 
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were, you know, really worried 
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letter warning who say not to do
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know, from NBC News, walk it 
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Bush. 
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permission itself to go ahead 
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wanted to send another letter 
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What I meant was, don't do it at
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late, and Iraq invaded, and 
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If I take the northern oil 
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whole country and he went ahead 
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Kuwait City and all the way to 
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whole country. 
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the entire Bush, National 
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agreed that and that was Colin 
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was General, Brent scowcroft and
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the third, these men all said, 
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We're not doing anything about 
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Were drawn, the line at Saudi 
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Saddam Hussein that, if you 
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carpet bomb the crap out of. 
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Don't even think about it, but 
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at Saudi Arabia, Keith until 
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government was heavily dependent
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debt. 
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major investments in Kuwaiti 
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don't you go wobbly on me now at
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and her staff later described 
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back, bone transplant, and 
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not back down, and how can he be
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who's saying, we must do the 
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reduces the last of Bush's 
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He'd already been as Bill Hicks 
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In fact, George Karl. 
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bullshit already been called a 
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go, listen to Hicks and Carlin 
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Okay. 
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And so Bush, then said, this 
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refusing to negotiate with 
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Who was begging them. 
For a way out of there that 

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didn't make him the world's 
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He just needed to save a little 
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much weakness, he be killed and 
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regime or at least that was a 
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time was that, you know, they 
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face and all he wanted was to 
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easement so we could get there 
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ended up his last offer was 
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leave the Middle East, someday 
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to withdraw from the occupied 
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in other words, absolute tissue 
paper promises. 

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That wouldn't have meant 
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Was you give me anything to say?
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And he can A session is a reward
for aggression and will there 

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will never do anything. 
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which they knew was the offer 
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the situation. 
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would have to be, you know, 
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he would have to have Epsom 
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it. 
And I document all that in my 

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book of all of the difference. 
It's really Marie wasps at New 

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York Newsday and a couple others
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Chomsky who did the best work on
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Now they refused to accept his 
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this massive war that, you know,
you listed him saying. 

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Well, jeez. 
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because our mandate was only to 
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the situation that the that put 
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And in fact, does he quote? 
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Shiite Uprising and their 
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there after the war or know 
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something else. 
Go ahead. 

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No, he mentions the Amount of a 
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Iraq war two, but doesn't go 
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There's so much. 
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war one. 
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aftermath of a Shiite Uprising. 
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everybody talked about the 
sanctions. 

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He briefly passes over 
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You went. 
In other words, just a billboard

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that said, Saddam is bad. 
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in a short amount of time. 
Can you explain what the 

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sanctions were? 
Were and they're devastating 

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effect. 
Yeah. 

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Well so, you know sanctions is 
such a euphemism. 

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But you know if you called a 
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right because it's not really a 
matter of Navy's floating 

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offshore preventing goods from 
coming in. 

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No one's even trying it because 
this was United Nations security

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Council resolutions binding on 
the whole world. 

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It was illegal to sell to Iraq. 
And so they were under a total 

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global economic blockade and the
way it works on the security 

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Council. 
Is that anyone major power 

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basically, the victors of World 
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members of the security Council,
right? 

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So the US, UK, Britain, France, 
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of them can veto anything. 
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anyone, issuing, a new 
resolution and the sanctions. 

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When everybody knows America is 
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No America. 
Being Bill Clinton's government 

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is going to vote. 
No, and continue the sanctions. 

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So in other words, It was 
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to ever lift them. 
And if as long as the Clinton 

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government wanted to keep them 
there, right? 

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I should say the Bush, senior 
government to was in power for a

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year and a half after the end of
the war and kept them. 

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And on the stated purpose of 
achieving regime change. 

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We will not lift the sanctions 
until Hussein is out of power, 

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even though we just skipped over
it, but they had encouraged an 

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uprising against him. 
That might have succeeded at set

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that the bush government. 
Then betrayed that Revolution 

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that he encouraged to rise up. 
Used to support them in any way 

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and allowed Saddam Hussein to 
use his helicopters and tanks to

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crush the Insurrection. 
And then they use that as an 

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excuse to stay. 
Even though the crushing of the 

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Insurrection was over. 
They didn't need to stay and 

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create no-fly zones over Iraq to
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They had their one chance and 
have lost it because of America,

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but then now the idea was we're 
going to keep these sanctions so

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that the people who now no 
longer have the slightest chance

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of overthrowing Saddam. 
We will become so hungry and so 

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miserable that every civilian 
in, Iraq, will rise up and 

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overthrow the guy. 
And if they don't, well, then 

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that's their tough luck. 
That's their responsibility. 

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And I, quote the military men 
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and this is an absolute absolute
authoritarian dictatorship. 

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The baathist party. 
This is essentially a fascist 

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dictatorship in every way. 
The only as I was referring to 

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their minute ago, the only 
popular sovereignty Hussein had 

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was among his Generals and even 
then he kill them first, you 

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know what I mean? 
But if there was anyone who 

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could have overthrown him, it 
would have been his own closest 

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guys, not the people of the 
country in any way. 

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And yet the Air Force guys, told
the Washington Post. 

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Hey, listen, it's their country 
and ultimately boys that a long 

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way to ultimately, Keith 
ultimately. 

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The people of Iraq are 
responsible for the government 

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they have. 
Now, this is exactly what Osama 

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Bin Laden said about us that we 
are responsible for this 

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government. 
That would do such a thing to 

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the people of Of Iraq on the 
exact same, excuse that the 

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civilians lives are forfeit 
because they're not doing enough

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to overthrow the government that
we don't like. 

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And then the Bill Clinton 
government kept those sanctions 

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all the way through January 
2001. 

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And so did W bush. 
And when he came in, it was so 

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obvious that and they used it as
part of their Ploy. 

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Look, we can't just keep the 
sanctions forever. 

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You're right, bleeding-heart, 
Keith. 

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What are we going to do? 
Keep these people in her bar, go

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forever. 
We got to go in there and 

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liberate them. 
Yeah. 

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So that then they'll be 
prosperous and healthy. 

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And yeah, and now that's, you 
know, a million and a half dead 

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ago. 
Unbelievable. 

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So Richard haass goes into a 
number of examples of why 

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regime. 
Change is actually a good thing,

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but page 33, the occupying 
Powers reformed the countries 

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and their image. 
After the second world war which

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translated into democracy for 
all of Japan and in Germany as 

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well for the part, which became 
East Germany, controlled by the 

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USSR nearly three-quarters of a 
century later, Germany and Japan

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stand out as among the few 
successful examples of what 

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today would be called regime, 
change followed by Nation or 

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state building. 
His second reason, is that for 

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its part, the Soviet Union did 
what it could to promote 

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communist regimes around the 
Western Hemisphere and succeeded

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in Cuba. 
And Nicaragua. 

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It had the advantage of aiding 
individuals, and movements 

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fighting against unpopular, 
authoritarian, governments, that

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offered little They're people so
historically Germany and Japan. 

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Good regime change. 
Historically the Soviets have 

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engaged in regime change in at 
work for them. 

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Therefore. 
We have good reason to believe 

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regime. 
Change Wars are Justified. 

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How do you respond? 
That's so funny. 

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Man. 
I want to read that book and 

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also I don't yeah. 
Good old Richard haass. 

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Huh? 
So look at Germany and Japan. 

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I was raised on this. 
You're a bit younger than me. 

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I don't know if they're still 
inculcate you with this the same

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way. 
They did me. 

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But yeah, it's true. 
Right? 

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That in a way America was this 
benevolent conqueror? 

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And we didn't make MacArthur the
military dictator of Japan from 

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now on just to install finisher 
regime change install the 

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Parliamentary Government to our 
liking and the same sort of 

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thing happened in Germany as 
well. 

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And so then the narrative was 
Hey, when America beats you in 

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war, we make a friend, A dia 
will Build You Up, rebuild your 

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country for you and help make 
you rich and make you our friend

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and our Ally, which sounds nice,
but the reality was, we were 

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making the military satellites 
of our world. 

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Empire was, what was really 
happening. 

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And at the time, first of all, 
most importantly, they were both

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under threat from the Soviet 
Union. 

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And so you might Ally with the 
Americans and maybe worse to 

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protect you from the USSR, which
was a real threat to Western 

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Europe. 
And to Japan. 

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In fact, that was why the 
Japanese surrendered. 

455
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,200
It wasn't the nukes. 
It was because they knew that 

456
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,000
the Soviets were coming. 
And would you rather live under 

457
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,600
Truman's dictatorship or 
Stalin's? 

458
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,500
And so, the choice was easy for 
them. 

459
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:55,600
And so with the threat of the 
Soviet Union, and Some, you 

460
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,500
know, communist Invasion holding
over their head being held over 

461
00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:00,200
their head. 
Then it was a lot easier to 

462
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,600
convince them to go along with 
those but also the Japanese had 

463
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,400
already had a parliamentary 
government and had been allies 

464
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,700
with the British and have been, 
you know, adopting a lot of 

465
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:12,600
Western Customs as far as 
independent judiciaries and all 

466
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,300
these kinds of things in a way 
that there was plenty to tap 

467
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:20,400
into their and former leaders of
that previous government to 

468
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,900
bring into power. 
And this kind of deal and they 

469
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:27,100
had a compliant emperor. 
Who had a lot of authority over 

470
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:30,800
the people to say? 
There won't be an Insurgency. 

471
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,900
We've been whooped. 
It's a matter of Honor now that 

472
00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:36,800
we go along with this MacArthur 
guy, and what he says. 

473
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:39,900
Now, that's a pretty unique 
circumstance. 

474
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:42,800
You know, I mean, that's, you 
know, got real lucky there. 

475
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,400
And then, of course, in West 
Germany, you know, they didn't 

476
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,300
have an emperor to obey like 
that, but it wasn't too hard to 

477
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:54,200
create a parliamentary democracy
there under American dominance. 

478
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:58,300
Control, you know, on that side 
of the line and again, for the 

479
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,000
main reason that the Soviet 
Union was being held over their 

480
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,800
head. 
And so they had to choose and 

481
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,200
they've been absolutely 
decimated in the war two. 

482
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,200
And so, you know, they got part 
of that Marshall Plan, you know,

483
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,700
it wasn't just that the Allies, 
it was the Germans to got their 

484
00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:15,600
welfare check to to help rebuild
at that time. 

485
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:21,300
So that was a huge part of it. 
But then what a propaganda coup 

486
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,300
because then that becomes the 
justification for wages. 

487
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:27,800
In war than in Korea, even if we
got to kill two million people 

488
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,900
and in Vietnam, where we got to 
kill three, if you include the 

489
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:34,000
Les oceans and the come vodiane 
in, the cambodians are 

490
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,400
supporting dictators, like 
suharto and Indonesia who killed

491
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,500
a million, you know, of his own 
people in the East timorese. 

492
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:46,200
Or, you know, all kinds of 
right-wing dictatorships that, 

493
00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:49,200
you know, preferably throw their
left-wing dissidents out of 

494
00:26:49,208 --> 00:26:52,000
helicopters at the, you know, 
slightest. 

495
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,800
Whim, You know up and down all 
through Latin America and 

496
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,600
through Asia, all the Dirty Wars
of the Middle East and you know,

497
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,900
I haven't gotten to it yet. 
There's this new book by a guy 

498
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:05,900
named Vincent Bevins. 
I'm sorry, forget the title 

499
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:09,000
right now, but it's all about 
the history of America's Dirty 

500
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,700
Wars in the Cold War. 
Then it's just a Millions upon 

501
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:15,300
millions of people killed, you 
know. 

502
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,100
It's easy to hide behind. 
Well, it's, you know, native 

503
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:22,100
soldiers doing the killing, but 
it's the white officers and the 

504
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,800
and, you know, the American 
politicians and CIA men behind 

505
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,300
it, this kind of thing. 
So that's no different than 

506
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:31,000
under the British, Raj. 
It's just the American one. 

507
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:38,300
And so, you know, to invoke 
Japan as the excuse to then do 

508
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:42,100
whatever we want to whoever we 
want and ask the Koreans, the 

509
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:46,500
Vietnamese, and the araki's and 
the syrians and the yemenis if 

510
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,300
Think that Japan excuse still 
holds up for the USA in the year

511
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:54,300
2021. 
And then as far as the Soviets 

512
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:58,300
having successful regime, 
changes emphasize the part about

513
00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:01,700
how well and it was pretty easy 
for the Reds to take over in 

514
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:05,300
Nicaragua because the right wing
government that they were 

515
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:09,900
replacing, their of Antonin 
Samosa was the most right-wing 

516
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:11,900
brutal. 
Illegitimate fascist 

517
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:16,700
dictatorship, and that's the 
reason for the success of all It

518
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:20,600
Marxist revolutionary movements.
Through all of Latin America is 

519
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,700
the Americans supported 
right-wing fascist dictators 

520
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:29,800
who, you know, absolutely wage 
war against their own 

521
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,200
populations. 
You wonder why people Embrace 

522
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,200
absolutely ridiculous socialist 
policies in Latin America. 

523
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,200
It's because the Socialist 
leaders are the ones standing up

524
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,600
to the Yankees. 
That's why independencefirst. 

525
00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:49,800
Same thing in Vietnam course. 
On page 119, he talks about 

526
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,700
Afghanistan, who wrote the 
excellent book, Falls errand, 

527
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,400
which I, of course, will put in 
the description. 

528
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,600
Richard Haas says in the 
immediate aftermath of the 

529
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,100
attacks, the United States 
presented, the Taliban 

530
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:05,100
government with a stark choice, 
either end its relationship with

531
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:08,100
Al-Qaeda and hand Al qaeda's 
leaders over to the 

532
00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:11,100
international authorities or 
face the consequences. 

533
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:14,500
The Taliban government refused 
to take these steps and the 

534
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:17,700
United States committed to Now, 
Sting the government, something 

535
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:21,700
accomplished over the next few 
months, as us intelligence 

536
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:26,400
personnel, and military forces 
cooperated with members of the, 

537
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,900
so-called Northern Alliance. 
A loose Coalition of 

538
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,800
anti-taliban tribes with roots 
in these parts of Afghanistan. 

539
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,200
Not dominated by the postions 
and ethnic group, most located 

540
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,700
in the south of the country, 
that constituted a polarity of 

541
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:43,200
its population and the core of 
Taliban support. 

542
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:48,000
Therefore they were Writing 
really giving power to Al-Qaeda 

543
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,500
stations wasn't. 
Yeah. 

544
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,500
Was that one sentence? 
Yeah. 

545
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,600
It was right that the pashtuns 
are predominant in the South. 

546
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,800
So that's one thing. 
That's a lot of claims. 

547
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,400
I don't even a longer sentence 
than in full there and you can 

548
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,100
find probably the major claim. 
Al Qaeda attacked, America. 

549
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:07,700
Taliban is given cover for Al 
queda. 

550
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,900
Therefore, the root of the issue
was the Taliban and The Invasion

551
00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:13,700
and regime change in Afghanistan
is Justified. 

552
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:17,100
How do you respond? 
Well, that's in damn, dirty lie,

553
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,400
and, in fact, emphasis on him 
saying that the demand was that 

554
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,800
they turn him over to 
International authorities, but 

555
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,300
they offered to turn him over to
the organization of Islamic 

556
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,000
conference. 
In other words, any nation 

557
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,700
state? 
That's a member of the 

558
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,000
organization of Islamic 
conference, which is course 

559
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,800
created by American Saudi Arabia
and the first place and they 

560
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,500
were told to go to hell. 
They said well, we just want to 

561
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:45,400
see some evidence and colon 
Powell went on Meet the Press 

562
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,600
the secretary of state. 
So we're going to publish a Das 

563
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,800
here explaining how this is all 
Osama. 

564
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,700
Bin Laden's fault, easy enough. 
They knew I'll cater was going 

565
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:55,500
to attack us all summer long, of
course. 

566
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,800
And so that's even the official 
story and also some of the 

567
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,200
critical ones and so they could 
have published evidence of the 

568
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,800
times there. 
And instead so note. 

569
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,800
We will provide no evidence. 
So then that was a few days or 

570
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,500
what a week after something. 
The attack then later in 

571
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:19,800
September, they said, okay, 
we'll turn him over to the 

572
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,500
pakistanis and general 
Musharraf. 

573
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,600
And Pakistan was the one who 
turned that down, but he was 

574
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,000
under America's total control at
that point. 

575
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,800
So if he did that as a betrayal 
of Americans, I don't believe 

576
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,500
it. 
There's no reports that that's 

577
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:32,600
right. 
He did that. 

578
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,400
He must have done that. 
It's not conclusive but it's all

579
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,800
but conclusive that he did that 
on orders from the Americans or,

580
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,200
you know, in a joint decision 
made with the Americans to turn 

581
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,300
that off or down. 
And at that point, they were 

582
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:47,400
still requesting to see 
evidence. 

583
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,000
And then they said, after the 
bombs started falling on October

584
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,900
the 8th. 
They said, okay. 

585
00:31:54,900 --> 00:32:00,900
Okay, we'll turn him over to any
third nation in the world and 

586
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:02,200
then they didn't mention his 
real. 

587
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,200
I think, probably not Israel, 
but data, turn him over to 

588
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,000
evidently, you know, according 
to them. 

589
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:12,800
They were willing to take, not 
just Bin Laden but his Al-Qaeda 

590
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,100
guys, arrest them all and 
extradite them to any third 

591
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,700
country in the world Canada, 
Mexico England. 

592
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:24,000
France are very best friends 
who, you know, in many cases and

593
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,500
it's the same thing with the 
Muslim countries to that could 

594
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:30,400
have been Egypt, or Jordan or 
Malaysia or any one of these 

595
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,900
countries. 
That's friendly to the United 

596
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,900
States where the guys would have
what landed on the tarmac and 

597
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,700
then taking off again for their 
extradition to America without 

598
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:42,100
even getting out of the Right, 
that would have been fine, 

599
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:45,400
absolutely acceptable under any,
you know, reasonable 

600
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,700
Administration. 
Run by reasonable men without an

601
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:52,200
agenda here and it was rejected.
But then they offer find, they 

602
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,600
said, forget evidence. 
We don't need evidence and we'll

603
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,300
turn him over to any third 
country in the world and Bush 

604
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:04,100
said too late. 
So they just dropped every 

605
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:08,300
demand, they were ready to go 
and, and it was confirmed. 

606
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:11,600
You know, the American 
intelligence officials say well,

607
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,200
that may be right but we don't 
care. 

608
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:18,400
You know, and so then it was on 
and look the reality is that 

609
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,900
mullah Omar hated Osama Bin 
Laden, right? 

610
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:24,600
And Ahmad new NBC called the 
father of the Taliban. 

611
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,400
Yeah, he was the dictator. 
He was the leader of exact is 

612
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,500
exact title, but he was the 
leader of the Taliban government

613
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:35,700
there and He had every reason to
resent Bin Laden, you know, when

614
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,700
Bin Laden first, got there in 
96. 

615
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,600
I forget if Rabbani this warlord
Rabbani either had just been 

616
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,000
killed, or was about to be 
killed, but that's who Bin Laden

617
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,100
was expecting to be hosted by. 
He had to figure out. 

618
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:51,700
Okay, who are these Taliban, 
guys? 

619
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:55,000
I got to get along with them. 
Now, that wasn't his exact set. 

620
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,400
And then, you know, essentially,
so here's this guy, who's like a

621
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,200
worldwide leninist. 
Right. 

622
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,100
He's trying to turn over the 
entire Middle Eastern order 

623
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:09,600
from, you know, the Indian 
subcontinent to the 

624
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,199
Mediterranean Sea and on to 
Nigeria, right? 

625
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,000
That's Ben Laden's plan, right 
set? 

626
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,199
The whole damn world on fire. 
Well, this guy mullah Omar had 

627
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,000
already taken the capital city 
that year 1996 with the help of 

628
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,100
the United States. 
And of course, Saudi Arabia, and

629
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:29,900
Pakistan and the support of the 
Bill Clinton government had just

630
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:33,100
taken over that country. 
And as the old saying goes, Goes

631
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:34,800
and I don't know who coined 
this, I should look it up 

632
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,400
because I keep quoting it that a
radical becomes a conservative 

633
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,199
the day, he seizes the capitol 
right now that I've won and I'm 

634
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,300
the dictator enough for your 
world Revolution stuff. 

635
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:49,000
Let's just have a revolution in 
one country Afghanistan. 

636
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,900
Right? 
So said, Thomas Jefferson and 

637
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:55,699
Leon Trotsky and mullah Omar 
Revolution. 

638
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:57,300
One country will be more than 
enough. 

639
00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:59,300
Thank you for you know for us to
handle. 

640
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:02,600
And so then Here Comes Ben Laden
is nothing. 

641
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,400
Trouble. 
And of course Bin Laden is the 

642
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,900
son of a billionaire. 
His Partners woori is a surgeon 

643
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:10,500
from Cairo. 
And these are wealthy 

644
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:13,100
well-educated men from the 
world. 

645
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,000
The Taliban are Hillbillies from
deepest darkest Posh. 

646
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Tuna, Stan. 
They don't know nothing about 

647
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,800
nothing. 
They knew virtually nothing of 

648
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,600
the outside world. 
And so then Bin Laden in the bin

649
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,600
Laden nights, treated them like 
trash, you know, it's like a 

650
00:35:28,607 --> 00:35:32,100
bunch of hoity-toity Boston 
brahmins. 

651
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:36,400
Among a bunch of, you know, 
Nascar fulke or whatever, you 

652
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,300
know, they just treat them with 
the utmost of content. 

653
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:42,200
And so guess what? 
The feeling was kind of mutual 

654
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,400
that we don't really like you 
guys very much either and 

655
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,200
there's a great book about this 
called an enemy, we created by 

656
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,000
Kuhn and Lynn shoten. 
And they just prove this case in

657
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:57,400
absolute, just incredible detail
over and over again of the 

658
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,500
strain relationship between 
these two. 

659
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:03,800
And you know, what Milton 
Bearden Would help run. 

660
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:08,100
He was one time or maybe most of
the time, the chief of station 

661
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,300
running, the Afghan war in the 
1980s for the CIA against the 

662
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:14,200
Soviets there. 
When we back the mujahideen in 

663
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,600
that war. 
He told the Washington Post, 

664
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,600
just after September 11. 
Listen, we've been negotiating 

665
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,000
with the Taliban, they hate Bin 
Laden and they want to give him 

666
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,200
up to us and we should not be 
bombed. 

667
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,200
The Taliban we should be bombing
al-Qaeda. 

668
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:30,300
In fact, Keith now that I'm 
thinking about it. 

669
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Condoleezza Rice and others in 
the government. 

670
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:35,300
And at the time at the highest 
level, she was the National 

671
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:38,000
Security advisor. 
She and some of the CIA were 

672
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,400
saying, we should not be on the 
Taliban at all. 

673
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,200
We should only be bomb in the 
Arabs and show in the Taliban 

674
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,100
that look man were really not 
trying to bomb you, but don't 

675
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:51,000
make us bomb. 
You, we trying to separate the 

676
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,100
Taliban away from Al-Qaeda, but 
then Rumsfeld on the others were

677
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:56,400
like, no, we don't want to do 
that. 

678
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,800
We want to separate them 
together, is what we want to do 

679
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,300
and conflate them together. 
And so that we can complete 

680
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:08,600
continue on conflating them then
with a with Saddam Hussein's 

681
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,000
regime in Iraq, and whoever else
that we want. 

682
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,400
And so that was that. 
But honestly, if they had just 

683
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,400
dealt with this honestly, the 
fact, one more thing Milton. 

684
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:23,100
Bearden said, the Taliban one 
example that he gave was the 

685
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:26,100
Taliban said to the Americans. 
Hey, guess what? 

686
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:30,200
We lost Bin Laden. 
He's out Falcon and somewhere 

687
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,200
and we don't know where he is. 
Hint hint. 

688
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,500
Go ahead and whack him right 
now. 

689
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:38,000
And will say that. 
Sorry. 

690
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,200
He was out talking in the 
countryside somewhere. 

691
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,600
He was outside of our 
protection. 

692
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,000
We were trying to find him to 
keep him safe, but we were 

693
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,700
unable to because of his wild 
and risky ways. 

694
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,400
And so, that's his own problem, 
and not our fault. 

695
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,400
And we, you know, of course, 
we're honored bound to protect a

696
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,900
guest, but not, if he's out in 
the countryside somewhere. 

697
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:00,600
We can't protect them where we 
told him not to go. 

698
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,500
And so sure, not our fault is II
killed them. 

699
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,100
But meanwhile, they were the 
ones telling the CIA telling the

700
00:38:06,107 --> 00:38:10,700
Americans he's out balcony, go 
and get him and then Milton 

701
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:14,400
Bearden is quoting this to the 
Washington Post key and saying 

702
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,700
listen, there's and go and kill 
him and we're saying hand him 

703
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:21,000
over towel ahead and they're 
gone. 

704
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,400
Yeah, but go and kill him. 
We're hand them over to you man.

705
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,200
That's what we're doing. 
And as he put it the Americas 

706
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,200
just don't speak that kind of 
language. 

707
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,300
They're just, you know, it's 
like your Junior High School 

708
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:34,600
gym. 
I'm coach idiot over their 

709
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,400
handling. 
This is that, you know, the 

710
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,300
intellect to the people in 
charge here and so they just 

711
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,500
won't speak the language of 
accepting of of offerings 

712
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:45,900
surrender. 
The can't even hear it when it's

713
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:49,900
being laid in their lap. 
The article you cite in Fool's 

714
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:53,800
errand is Bushra Jack's. 
Taliban offered a hand Bin Laden

715
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,900
over from the guardian, October 
14 2001. 

716
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,500
So it's widely recognized that 
this is a real thing. 

717
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:02,000
It did. 
I didn't think that it was real 

718
00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:07,400
until I had read Fool's errand. 
Richard haass talks about, Iraq 

719
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,400
war, to saddam's refusal to 
cooperate, fully with, un, 

720
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,400
weapons inspectors further, 
reinforce the prevailing view 

721
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:18,600
that he had something to hide to
be clear. 

722
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,300
Are you just trying to tire me 
out today with this or what? 

723
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:23,300
I'm sorry. 
Go ahead. 

724
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:27,500
One more to be clear what the 
United States did in 2003? 

725
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,700
Was launched a preventative 
action, one aimed at stopping a 

726
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:33,100
gathering. 
Wet. 

727
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:35,300
In this case. 
What was thought to be Iraq's, 

728
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:39,400
development of nuclear weapons? 
What's wrong with taking a 

729
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,100
preventive step to stop a crazy 
Tyrant, like Saddam from Gaining

730
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:46,900
nukes, you know, it's funny to 
Keith because I think Richard 

731
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:49,800
haass didn't, he sort of have a 
reputation of being more with 

732
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,800
Powell and Armitage on the 
skeptical side and reluctant to 

733
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,500
do this war. 
Yeah, you know, yeah, he's got a

734
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:59,800
neoconservative. 
He's our guy, you know, says 

735
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,500
that it was a mistake, but he'll
still defend. 

736
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:06,100
You know it to like up till the 
very last end but then say well 

737
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:08,700
there might be some unintended 
consequences. 

738
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,700
And of course, I look pal and 
Armitage got us into the war 

739
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:12,800
two. 
They didn't. 

740
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:15,600
They said Jesus we sure we want 
to do this and then they were 

741
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,100
told yes. 
We want to do this and they 

742
00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:18,500
said, okay, and they went along 
with it. 

743
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:21,300
Also, I'm not trying to acquit 
them and I guess he must have 

744
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:25,100
been more of a colon Powell 
light than a Richard Perle guy, 

745
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:26,900
but at the end of the day, it 
doesn't make that much 

746
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:29,900
difference. 
What a bastard. 

747
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:34,600
So, look if the The weapons 
inspectors were back in the 

748
00:40:34,607 --> 00:40:37,700
country by the end of November 
of 2002. 

749
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,400
So, they had five months to 
traipse around a rag and 

750
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,300
everywhere they went, they could
find nothing. 

751
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,600
And they said, so well, look, 
Americans. 

752
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,700
Give us this intelligence, we go
to the place where they say that

753
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:51,900
the thing is happening, and it's
not happening. 

754
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,300
And that's actually my book, The
inspectors debunked, the 

755
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:58,900
aluminum tubes lie. 
Look The Washington Post 

756
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:03,900
debunked it in September 02. 
But the weapons inspectors on 

757
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:09,400
the ground, in Iraq, went to the
factory, and found the order for

758
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,300
the aluminum tubes there for 
rockets, and they found other 

759
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:15,300
aluminum soups just like it. 
And why do you need this special

760
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:19,500
anodized coating because of the 
weather and it was all 

761
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,800
absolutely every dotted. 
I and cross T of the araki's 

762
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,700
version of the aluminum tubes, 
being for God, damned katyusha 

763
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:31,800
rockets for shooting out of the 
back of your pickup. 

764
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:36,500
Pick up truck being for making 
aluminum tubes was. 

765
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:39,000
Absolutely. 
And thoroughly discredited 

766
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:44,600
before long before. 
Bush's speech in what, you know,

767
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:48,800
solid two months really because 
the State of the Union isn't 

768
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,300
until like the end of January, 
right? 

769
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:56,200
So this is the very, very 
beginning of December was when 

770
00:41:56,300 --> 00:41:59,000
they debunked the two and then 
Bush gets up there and says the 

771
00:41:59,008 --> 00:42:01,300
tubes and also the famous 16 
words. 

772
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:03,300
That's it. 
I was trying to buy uranium from

773
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:08,000
Africa, when he had yellow cake 
in the country and the CIA 14 

774
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,100
times, the CIA told the Neo cons
in the vice president's office. 

775
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,100
You can't put that in the 
president's speech. 

776
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:16,800
It's not true. 
And then, finally, they gave up 

777
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,900
and said I what the hell, go 
ahead and put it in there. 

778
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,400
And so they went ahead and use 
that for the State of the Union 

779
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,800
in 2003. 
Even though the rack had yellow 

780
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,600
cake uranium, which is partially
refined or which what are you 

781
00:42:31,607 --> 00:42:33,700
gonna do? 
Throw it at somebody and hit him

782
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:38,200
in the head, you know, I guess 
if you put in there milkshake, 

783
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,600
you might give them cancer 
something. 

784
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,100
I don't know. 
They had a ton of it, a ton of 

785
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,800
it, sitting under iaea lock and 
seal. 

786
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,100
In the country left over from 
their 1980s Obsolete and closed 

787
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:53,500
down nuclear program that the 
iaea had never removed the 

788
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,400
uranium. 
They just left it there because 

789
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,100
it was essentially harmless 
sitting there. 

790
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,900
So if Hussein had wanted it, the
inspectors weren't in the Three 

791
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:05,400
from 1998 through 2002. 
All he would have had to do was 

792
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,100
cut the lock on the storage 
locker. 

793
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:12,000
Take that uranium, or refine it,
somehow convert it to uranium, 

794
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,600
hexafluoride, gas. 
And then introduce it into these

795
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,800
aluminum tubes for katyusha 
rockets and pretend that the 

796
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,400
you're going to somehow making a
Manhattan Project and an atom 

797
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,400
bomb out of it. 
The whole thing was absolutely 

798
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,600
ridiculous and they knew they 
were lying Keith and, and all 

799
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,500
through from, from December. 
Through March, the nuclear 

800
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:34,400
inspectors and the chemical 
inspectors. 

801
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,000
Also, we cannot find anything 
that you're talking about here. 

802
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,400
There's no production of sarin. 
No, production of mustard. 

803
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,800
No stick. 
No Warehouse is full of this 

804
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,900
stuff, the mobile biological 
weapons labs. 

805
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:50,900
They brought the rat who said 
that it was true to the place 

806
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:52,300
where he said it was true and 
they go. 

807
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:55,900
Okay. 
Show us the stuff total hoax. 

808
00:43:55,900 --> 00:43:58,100
He knew nothing. 
The whole thing was a made up 

809
00:43:58,100 --> 00:43:59,800
thing. 
A made-up game. 

810
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,700
You can read a lot of In the 
Senate investigations, you know,

811
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:05,800
years later when the Senate, you
know, published a lot of this 

812
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,500
stuff. 
It's right there in the PDF 

813
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:11,300
format there. 
Richard haass quotes, John F. 

814
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:14,000
Kennedy on page, 158 as 
President John F. 

815
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,500
Kennedy. 
Once warned, there are risks and

816
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:21,300
costs to a program of action, 
but they are far less than the 

817
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:25,700
long-range costs and risks of 
comfortable in action. 

818
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:28,200
So it's very easy for you to 
say. 

819
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,500
Well, we should have sat back 
and not done anything. 

820
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,800
Thing in the face of the evils 
of the world Saddam Gaddafi 

821
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:39,000
Assad, but if you sit back and 
allow these tyrannies to grow 

822
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,500
then they're just going to 
expand further and engage in 

823
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,800
more unjust actions. 
Therefore action is Justified. 

824
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,800
How do you respond? 
It's just nonsense, right? 

825
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:53,900
There's no reason in the world 
to believe that all these nation

826
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:56,700
states in the Middle East would 
be at war with each other. 

827
00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:01,000
If America wasn't there, all the
worst violence is led by the 

828
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,300
Americans. 
And again, if the Americans 

829
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,800
hadn't, been told the Kuwait, 
he's that. 

830
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,400
Yeah, we got your back. 
Go ahead and tell Saddam Hussein

831
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,100
to go to hell. 
They wouldn't have and if James 

832
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:15,900
Baker hadn't told Saddam 
Hussein. 

833
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,300
Hey, man, I don't know. 
No West Texas rules if they are 

834
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,400
overproducing on your shared 
oil. 

835
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,400
Well, break their knees. 
What do I care, man? 

836
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,900
That's the name of the game in 
it. 

837
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,600
That's how we do business around
here. 

838
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,000
So, you know, and of course, 
that was all in the aftermath 

839
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:33,900
these War debts. 
I'm talking about. 

840
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,300
You of them, was all in the 
aftermath of the Americans 

841
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:40,000
supported iran-iraq War were 
America supported both sides of 

842
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,500
the iran-iraq war and so, you 
know, Richard haass can just 

843
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:46,600
pretend all day. 
That the counterfactual is that 

844
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,900
Saddam? 
Saying am Bashar al-assad and 

845
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:52,700
the Ayatollah, and Qaddafi, 
would all be Regional 

846
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:56,300
superpowers. 
Now if we hadn't stopped them, 

847
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,100
but it's more plausible. 
They'd all be rubbing butts and 

848
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:05,600
fields of flowers compared to 
what America has done under the 

849
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,800
control, literal control of 
Richard, Haas and his friends in

850
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,600
the George, George W. 
Bush Administration. 

851
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:14,500
And h.w. 
Bush before that. 

852
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:16,900
They're the ones who have 
wrought. 

853
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,700
All this crisis. 
And you know what? 

854
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:20,300
At the time of the invasion of 
Iraq? 

855
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,900
Saddam Hussein made an offer to 
Richard, Perle through a 

856
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:29,700
Lebanese, businessman in London.
And in fact, he did this twice 

857
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:33,100
or two different stories about 
this where Hussein essentially 

858
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:35,300
offered unconditional surrender.
And by the way, I didn't 

859
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:41,100
mention, but huh, Bush and Sabri
were where the intelligence 

860
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:43,100
Minister and the foreign 
minister. 

861
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,400
And they were both CIA agents 
mean assets, not officers, but 

862
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:50,500
they, you know, saddam's top two
guys. 

863
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:53,900
Worked for the CIA were CIA 
informants, essentially, and 

864
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:55,400
told him, we don't have any 
weapons. 

865
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:58,600
We're not backing out kada. 
None of this is true, man, you 

866
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,300
know, we'll do whatever you guys
say. 

867
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,500
We know now from the CIA 
interrogator, John Nixon that 

868
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:05,300
Saddam Hussein was essentially 
retired. 

869
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:08,200
He had kicked himself upstairs 
in a delegated. 

870
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,500
His most of his government to 
these men have ocean Sabri and 

871
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:17,900
to recall lie and that he was 
retired writing a romance novel 

872
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,600
at the time and was essentially 
dictator in name only. 

873
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,800
Your head at that time and don't
like that about Saddam Hussein's

874
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:30,700
writing a love story. 
And and so, you know, this was 

875
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:34,700
all bogus and at the meeting in 
London, they told Richard Perle 

876
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:38,400
look, man, and this goes to show
how innocent the rack. 

877
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,900
He's worth the time of the 
accusations against them that 

878
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:44,400
they didn't know what the hell. 
The war was about. 

879
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,100
Hey look, man, if you really 
think we got weapons of mass 

880
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:48,200
destruction. 
I don't know what to tell you, 

881
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,200
but you can send in the FBI in 
the army. 

882
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,700
Not invade but just to walk 
around and go wherever you want.

883
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:57,600
Look wherever you want. 
And if this is about oil wells, 

884
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,600
happily sign. 
Mineral rights deals. 

885
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,600
Who do you got Exxon? 
Put them right up. 

886
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,700
In first in line man will make a
deal there. 

887
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:09,100
And if this is about democracy, 
well will hold elections under 

888
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:11,500
International supervision. 
Just give us a little bit of 

889
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:13,800
time to make the transition as 
the Iraq. 

890
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,300
He's surrendering unconditional 
surrender to the Americans and 

891
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:22,500
they even said, and if this is 
about Israel, then we'll switch 

892
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:24,900
sides in the israel-palestine 
conflict. 

893
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,300
T', and we'll stop back and 
Hamas and sending any money to, 

894
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:30,000
you know, families of suicide 
bombers. 

895
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,300
And all this stuff that have 
been Hussein's policy before, 

896
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:36,800
which he sent, he sent money to 
the families of any Palestinians

897
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,900
who died in violent conflict 
with the Israelis. 

898
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:42,000
So that meant a little lady 
crushing her house with a 

899
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,100
bulldozer, but also meant the 
families of suicide bombers to. 

900
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:47,300
And that was the part that the 
Neo cons and highlighted so 

901
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:48,800
much. 
And so they even said, look, 

902
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,800
we'll even betray the pallet, 
the Palestinians will give up on

903
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,300
that will do whatever you want. 
Just don't invade and Girls 

904
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:58,500
said, you tell them we'll see in
Baghdad. 

905
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:02,600
And refuse to accept, Keith 
essentially an unconditional 

906
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,300
surrender. 
Unbelievable. 

907
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,500
Well, there are so many books to
read about a lot of things. 

908
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:13,800
Why should someone take the time
and spend the money and get 

909
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,100
enough already time to end the 
war on terrorism. 

910
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,700
We'll look, I think everybody 
knows that in the 80s, America 

911
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:24,200
back the mujahideen in 
Afghanistan and back Saddam 

912
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,300
Hussein in the war with Iran and
back there on. 

913
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:29,100
You know, the famous Iran-Contra
scandal back to Iran against 

914
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:32,800
Saddam bit to think everybody 
knows that every knows we fought

915
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,100
Iraq war one and everybody knows
that. 

916
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:38,500
Clinton bomb the hell out of 
Iraq for a year straight and and

917
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:40,000
kept the sanctions. 
This kind of thing. 

918
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:42,400
Anybody who's interested in this
sort of stuff, at all knows this

919
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,500
stuff. 
And, and people are somewhat 

920
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:47,700
familiar with the rise of Al 
Qaeda, and their attacks on 

921
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:51,000
America. 
And they're familiar at least, 

922
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,700
in some degree of our war in 
Afghanistan and Iraq war two and

923
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:58,000
our other interventions and 
Libya Syria. 

924
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,300
Somalia, Yemen. 
They've at least heard of these 

925
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:03,700
things. 
So the book is not full of like,

926
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,300
you know, see Great information.
I got these documents about 

927
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:10,000
operation, thus, and such you 
never heard of before kind of 

928
00:50:10,008 --> 00:50:14,300
covert action like that. 
And I'm not a journalist who was

929
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:16,800
in the wars telling a first 
person account. 

930
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,800
And I'm not a soldier back from 
the war song is a. 

931
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,400
First person account. 
I'm essentially critic who 

932
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,800
stayed home the whole time and 
watch. 

933
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,200
All these wars from here and 
opposed them all along too and I

934
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,700
collected everything. 
I hate about it all for 20 years

935
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:32,800
in one place. 
And what it really should do. 

936
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:38,500
I hope is draw one through line.
So that you see, it's not all 

937
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:39,600
just ad. 
Hoc. 

938
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,300
There's a reason for all of this
stuff that happens and I start 

939
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:47,700
with Jimmy Carter because that's
essentially my lifetime and I 

940
00:50:47,707 --> 00:50:50,900
guess I was born under Gerald 
Ford's, you know, last month's 

941
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:55,000
of Gerald Ford there. 
But anyway, you know, so many of

942
00:50:55,008 --> 00:50:58,700
these decisions start with the 
Carter Administration and then I

943
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:03,300
draw the through line about, you
know, how to understand why it 

944
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:05,000
is that they made the choices 
that they did. 

945
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,200
Did to switch sides back and 
forth the way that they have, 

946
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,400
and cause the wars that they've 
caused and the thinking behind 

947
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,000
him, and at the end of it. 
I'm pretty sure that you'll have

948
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,300
to agree that it is enough of 
this. 

949
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:20,000
There's no way to essentially 
conclude that somehow, there's 

950
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,000
we got to tie up, these loose 
ends and somehow we can trust 

951
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,700
our government to fix what 
they've broken. 

952
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:29,000
One of this, you know, kind of 
ridiculous Pottery Barn foreign 

953
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,000
policy and frankly Keith look at
what's happening right now, and 

954
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:34,100
I didn't really think it was 
going to happen, but it is 

955
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:36,200
happening. 
They are pulling American troops

956
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:39,500
out of Afghanistan. 
They have emptied, the car, the 

957
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,300
Kandahar air base and they're 
working on Bagram right now. 

958
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,800
And there's footage of GIS and, 
you know, Special Operations 

959
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,700
forces, and whoever, all they 
are getting on planes and flying

960
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:54,600
the hell out of there. 
And so this is America leaving 

961
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:01,800
in defeat, you know, in this war
after a 20-year war and, and the

962
00:52:01,808 --> 00:52:05,000
future of Afghanistan is going 
to be ugly as hell too. 

963
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,500
And the Hawks will, of course, 
say, that's because we ever gave

964
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:12,100
up, but everyone else will know 
that that's because we let these

965
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:13,900
men. 
Even try this in the first 

966
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:16,200
place, and that was never going 
to work. 

967
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,800
That's why it didn't work. 
And that the people who said, so

968
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,400
all along somehow, we're going 
to tame the Afghans and turn 

969
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,400
their country. 
In one compliant with American 

970
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,900
goals and wishes was always the 
Fool's errand and crazy that we 

971
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:30,300
had no right to do it and never 
should have done it. 

972
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:35,000
And you know, let's hope then 
that the momentum keeps up. 

973
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:37,700
And people say, you know what? 
We want the hell out of Syria 

974
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:39,400
and Iraq. 
We want out of Somalia. 

975
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,700
We want out of Yemen. 
We want all of our special 

976
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:46,800
operations forces Out of Africa,
and the Philippines, and 

977
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,200
everywhere else there fighting 
Sunni, insurgencies. 

978
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,600
And just call the whole damn 
thing off. 

979
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,400
These are all regional problems.
Even though America is 

980
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,500
responsible for them. 
As I say, there's no way for us 

981
00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:00,800
to take responsibility for them 
and any constructive way. 

982
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,600
We just have to butt out and let
these things settle on their own

983
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:05,900
and take care. 
Care of themselves. 

984
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:07,900
And again, even after all of 
this. 

985
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:10,500
I'm in them. 
They could have never had their 

986
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:13,800
caliphate in the first place. 
The worst that could happen was 

987
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,600
what did happen in Eastern Syria
and Western Iraq, but that's 

988
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,700
over. 
Its America is the only thing 

989
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:22,300
standing in the way of the 
government in Damascus. 

990
00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:28,000
Finishing taking over all of the
rest of the country of Syria and

991
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,600
in Iraq, for what it's worth in 
the terrible relations between 

992
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:35,000
the Shiite government. 
They're in the minority, Sunni 

993
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,800
faction under their thumb right 
now, guy idea of the return of 

994
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,700
the AMA state is impossible 
without the level of support for

995
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:44,300
their efforts by the us and our 
allies. 

996
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:46,600
As we saw under the Obama 
Administration for the 

997
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,600
revolution in Syria. 
And so it really is time to just

998
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,300
call it off and never had to be 
this way. 

999
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:58,100
And I'm, and what I really want 
out of that book. 

1000
00:53:58,100 --> 00:54:00,500
I want people to be able to say 
to each other. 

1001
00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:04,900
Not, you know, it's not just for
my fans and your fans to read if

1002
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:07,900
you're already interested in 
what I have to say and what my 

1003
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:10,800
guest To say on my show and what
we say and anti-war.com. 

1004
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,800
I really want this to be for you
to be able to give to your 

1005
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,900
people that that would never 
listen to my show. 

1006
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:19,600
That aren't part of our 
libertarian world or our 

1007
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,300
anti-war activism world or 
whatever it is. 

1008
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,600
And just say hey look man, 
there's this book that says if 

1009
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,200
we could just call it off we 
never should have done all this 

1010
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,000
and we should really just quit 
it and it'd be much better if we

1011
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,600
just quit it and make that case 
to anybody picture, any 

1012
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,200
character. 
You've got in your head, 

1013
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,300
anywhere from left to write any 
age any race, any part of this 

1014
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:43,900
country, whether they fought in 
the wars or whether they didn't 

1015
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:48,200
and You know, I don't know and 
I've had a lot of veterans 

1016
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,300
officer saying a list of guys 
who love the stuff and they're a

1017
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:56,700
substantial part of my audience 
now and they're as bad as what 

1018
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:58,300
they've been through has been 
for them. 

1019
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,900
They're grateful to have 
somebody shoot him straight and 

1020
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:03,100
tell them what the truth is 
about, what it was all for 

1021
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:07,100
anyway, and so I really hope 
that people get something out of

1022
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:08,700
a key. 
Excellent. 

1023
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:11,500
The book is enough already time 
to end the war on terrorism. 

1024
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:13,300
Thanks everyone for watching. 
Keith Knight. 

1025
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:16,300
Don't try to on anyone and the 
In Institute, Scott. 

1026
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:17,500
Thank you for your time. 
As always. 

1027
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:18,500
Thank you, my friend.