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Welcome to Keith Knight, Don't 
Tread on Anyone and the 

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Libertarian Institute. 
Today I'm joined by the Jolly 

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Heretic, also known as Doctor 
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He is a professor of 
evolutionary psychology and the 

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author of Making Sense of Race. 
Doctor Dutton, where is the best

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place for people to find the 
many books and publications you 

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have published over the years? 
I suppose probably just Amazon. 

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That's the simplest way of doing
it. 

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Suppose you can buy it. 
You can buy it from the 

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publishers if you want to, if 
you want to help them out. 

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But yeah, they're all, they're 
all with one exception, they're,

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they're all available there. 
Terrific. 

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What were the great intellectual
contributions of Jonathan Bowden

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and what are some lessons that 
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I assume. 
Yeah, You're, you're asking me 

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with reference to my new book, 
of course, the The Shaman of the

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Radical Right, The Life and Mind
of Jonathan Bowden, which has 

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just been published. 
I'm not sure he made any great 

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intellectual contributions. 
I'm not sure that's what he did.

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That wasn't his niche. 
That's not his thing. 

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I I don't think there was 
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Basically he espoused a kind of 
spiritual Nietzscheanism. 

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So it was. 
It was a pig, I suppose, a kind 

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of philosophy rooted in 
Heraclitus and paganism and the 

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idea that we we should strive 
towards glory, we should strive 

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towards greatness, we should 
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gods. 
He had an idea something he was 

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said he wasn't a perennialist, 
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But there's a degree to which, 
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he seems to be saying something 
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truths that are absolute and 
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are eternal and we just know 
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And these eternal truths are 
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We should that there there is a 
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spiritual, spiritual. 
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greatness. 
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there are certain truths that 
are preserved certainly in Pagan

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religions and and therefore you 
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of Pagan religiosity of that, 
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of modernity, as it were, and 
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happening. 
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advocate what you might call a 
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which was that you take, as you 
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reject something because it's 
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Some people will argue that they
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it's modernist. 
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we take the good things about 
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certain Pagan or Nietzschean or 
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assumptions such as a respect 
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civilization, such as a mono 
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for its ethnic interests. 
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glory and greatness and a 
rejection of, of, of wallowing 

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and suffering and a rejection of
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looking at things. 
That's not a philosophy original

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to him. 
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could highlight, I don't know, 
TS Eliot or whoever, Judas 

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Evola, whatever who, who have 
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although you could argue that 
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It's the fact that he is able to
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connections between different 
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in an insightful and in an 
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That's that's his big 
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So you could say that if you 
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thinker, he's more like 
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something. 
He's he's able to present these 

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things in an interesting, 
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insightful way where he makes 
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between this, that and the 
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So he's an influencer. 
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were influencers, and he is a 
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on many people on the mainstream
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He's a kind of charismatic 
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people with his with his 
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that that their nation and I 
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want to say will triumph in the 
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That's his big thing. 
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overall in terms of personality 
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left wing society, people that 
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unstable. 
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if you're mentally unstable, you
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this breeds things like 
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And so you are resentful of 
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And I'm sorry, there's a bit of 
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You are resentful of power and 
things like that. 

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And so you are resentful of 
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I'm sorry you are resentful of 
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symbolic of power, which in many
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the left. 
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mentally unstable in addition, 
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dimensions to it. 
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unstable, you'll be high in 
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religiousness, IE social 
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And so that then so you've got 
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mentally unstable and thus 
resentful and they're, they're 

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left wing, the kind of people 
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thus they fear others and they 
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This makes the Machiavellian. 
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you get power to a certain 
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is through is through is through
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perhaps be a kind of narcissism 
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self esteem by telling yourself 
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you're the best, that you're 
that you're that you're uniquely

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perfect and moral and entitled 
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And therefore you will get, you 
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being left wing in a left wing 
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socially conforming that will 
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self esteem in a left wing 
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So that's the first thing they 
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neurotic and they don't have a 
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anything like that. 
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low in agreeableness. 
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people on average. 
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agreeableness. 1 is altruism, a 
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the other is politeness. 
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but there's a degree to which 
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generally in altruism. 
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mentally unstable like that and 
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control people and all this sort
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agreeableness, being not a very 
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individually oriented rather 
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for yourself. 
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is you will fear a fair fight 
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weak, but you will as an, as a 
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things for them, selfish. 
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So how do you get it? 
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play for status covertly like 
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You virtue signal, which is a or
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are signs of being left wing. 
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signalling is a sign of sort of 
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narcissism because a, a 
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than a grandiose narcissist is 
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manipulates people via his 
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They're low in conscientiousness
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they're not interested in the 
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society. 
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breaking them. 
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the left and the right. 
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one is antisocial. 
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right, extreme right, then 
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Those people are where we have a
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interrelated traits, narcissism,
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you're power hungry and 
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because if you are in a left 
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a left wing society, then you 
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conforming you. 
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people's feelings and you'd like
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Well, what is it going to be 
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So therefore, people like that 
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attracted to the, to the extreme
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that's a bit different. 
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antisocial, much higher in 
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And as I said, these, these do 
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narcissism and Machiavellianism.
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that's the sort of the, the, the
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these five moral foundations of 
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authority, of in Group loyalty 
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or whatever. 
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individually oriented 
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get top of the group's past our 
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So we want to get more of 
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Now in general, the left are 
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concerned only with equality and
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with the rest. 
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all 5 moral foundations. 
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5 moral foundations, but the far
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You know, they're, they're, 
they're low in a group, they're 

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low in a grill. 
They don't care about harm and 

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they don't care about equality. 
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oriented that you should lay 
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and, you know, go for it sort of
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So then see, we've got to 
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differences. 
You refer to purple piled people

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as people who know the truth but
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What truths are you referring 
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Well, there's many of them. 
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that there are genetic, 
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genetic racial differences in 
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think of. 
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course they know that's true. 
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are average race differences in 
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reaction times, average race 
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as a consequence of adaptation 
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average race differences in 
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not polite to talk about like 
testicle size, average race 

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difference, or earwax 
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And they, they, they know these 
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they have no reason to doubt 
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I mean, I had not, there was an 
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book in the Spectator the other 
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rang me up to apologise ahead of
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and whatever, but I'm going to 
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this article because I have to 
play the game in a conservative 

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rather than far right magazine. 
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That's that's being purple 
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And so he he kind of mocked the 
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were race differences. 
He said, Oh, you, it's crazy 

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what you're saying race 
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I said, no, there's no, no, we 
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differences in penis size, 
testicle size. 

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Yes. 
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that in and then I found that 
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the extent to which men insert 
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There are race differences in 
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happens. 
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particularly into doing so. 
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it's, but it's just true. 
So you might, you might find it 

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impolite to say it, but it's, 
it's factually true. 

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So, so there was, it's, it's 
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particularly the race 
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traits that they, they, they 
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they pretend in polite society. 
Oh, well, maybe the data's not 

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clear. 
Oh, well, it's been counter 

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argued, isn't if So what? 
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downstream of that, such as the 
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those differences into account. 
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German cities all the time. 
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indicate that's clear that 
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those who are genetically 
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conflict of some kind always if 
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are genetically dissimilar. 
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some people that will that will 
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Why are they so hesitant to 
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comes to disparities? 
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course, 90% of the people who 
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death row are men. 
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that's either in favor of whites
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lower income, then all of a 
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really immoral to look at 
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use manipulative language. 
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these people have adopted a 
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which they deal with, as I said 
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problems with the, the, the 
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like. 
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their feelings of anxiety and 
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telling themselves that they are
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than other people. 
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interrelated ways. 
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difference is that, that, that 
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races are equal, that we're all 
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We're all equal. 
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We're we're all equal. 
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I am in favour. 
I am a good kind person. 

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What makes me good and kind is 
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harm avoidance. 
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is reversing in an illogical way
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who is perceived as disempowered
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who is perceived as as empowered
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mentally unstable, but those 
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way of things, the way the 
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They will adopt it, and then 
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Until you get into a crazy 
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I'm more moral than the last 
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can become women or, or whatever
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call luxury beliefs or but high 
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adopt the state of the beliefs 
of higher status people in order

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to make your reassure you that 
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status issue and the morality 
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yourself from an understanding 
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deep down, which is that you're 
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unhappy person. 
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that ideology, then what they 
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is the you, the you deep down, 
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You have to make that person go 
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You're now feeling cognitive 
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You have a perception of 
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Because you hold these beliefs, 
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And it was intelligent as well. 
Because you hold these beliefs, 

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these beliefs are undermined. 
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stupid, as being, as being 
pathetic, as being a virtue 

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signal, as being hollow, as 
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And so then you're going to 
react in a highly emotional way 

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to people like that in order to,
to get to go away. 

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I mean, and remember, if you're 
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yourself, if this you're you. 
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fear itself. 
Imagine fearing fear. 

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Imagine fearing that this person
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kill myself. 
That's that, that's, that's the 

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kind of level we're talking 
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feeling literally unsafe. 
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dealing with very unstable 
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Whereas the opposite, the people
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right, I think there's elements 
of the far right that have very 

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similar psychology to the far 
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And, and they will purity 
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And the way they deal with it is
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might not be doing very well in 
life, but at least I know the 

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truth about the world and I, I, 
I know the truth. 

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What is the truth? 
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the Jews. 
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everything. 
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thought that it was the 
dinosaurs were wiped out 

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65,000,000 years ago by a 
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No, it was the Jews and that and
that and that and that. 

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And that gives you again, a 
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being somebody. 
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then again, you react with this 
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It's the it's the conservatives 
in the middle really who are the

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stable ones. 
These people it's associated 

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with. 
These people are high in 

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conscientiousness, they are high
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They are pro social traits. 
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They believe in God. 
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They believe they have even if 
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This is the problem. 
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of agency and they believe they 
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world. 
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they kind of if you, if you like
that way of thinking means you 

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believe you have power, you 
believe you have self efficacy, 

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you believe you have power even 
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constantly fighting against the 
evil conservatives even when 

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they do have total power. 
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the left. 
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said, as I said earlier, the 
conservatives are interested in 

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all 5 moral foundations, whereas
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two. 
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move leftwards and leftwards and
leftwards and leftwards until 

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you there's so little concern 
with in Group loyalty and with 

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obedience to authority and 
sanctity that you just get 

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chaos, absolute chaos, and lots 
and lots of people feeling 

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unhappy and lots and lots of 
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And that at that point you get a
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conservative backlash. 
I think we're going through one 

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now. 
We weren't going through one in 

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2022. 
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happen. 
In my book, the part as a future

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country, the common conservative
demographic revolution. 

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And we're not going through the 
Demographic 1, which is going to

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be, I think, a massive backlash 
towards the right. 

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But we're going in the 80s was a
right wing backlash against the 

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liberal excesses of the 70s, 
where it got to a point where 

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you have people in positions of 
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legalized sex with children and 
God knows what and socialism and

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nothing working. 
And now we're seeing a backlash 

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against the consequences of DEI,
the vote for Trump, followed 

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very quickly by the insanity of 
the fires in Los Angeles that 

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that presented for everyone to 
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This is the hell, this is the 
inferno the DI leads to and 

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other things as well, the 
assassination attempt on Trump, 

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which was probably partly down 
to just DI incompetence and and 

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such like. 
So we are seeing a backlash now,

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but I think it's a it's a 
periodic one rather than the 

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major one, which I think will 
happen. 

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What is evolutionary psychology?
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basically the study of, of, of 
man as an advanced form of ape. 

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So you whereas the, the kind of 
leftist that you look at 

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earlier, they have this blank 
slate view. 

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In the most extreme case, people
like Margaret Mead or whatever 

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that we are a black slate. 
There's nothing built into us. 

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It's all to do with environment.
We know from twin studies and 

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twin adoption studies. 
That's nonsense. 

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There is, there is a genetic 
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everything you can think of. 
And so it's looking at those, 

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our evolved instincts, our 
evolved psychological 

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adaptations and how they have, 
how they have occurred and why 

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and how they are continuing to 
occur. 

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When it comes to what 
evolutionary psychology can 

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teach us about the seeking of 
social status, what are some 

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lessons that come to mind? 
Something evolutionary 

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psychology can teach us. 
Well, we know from our evolution

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that we are evolved to live in 
polygamous mating systems and we

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were living in polygamous mating
systems until really quite 

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recently in evolutionary time. 
And this is very important 

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because what it means is that 
there's a sort of 0 sum game 

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dimension built into, there's 
all kinds of things. 

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This is built into us. 
So the situation is the male, 

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the male wants sex. 
The female has something to risk

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from the sexual encounter. 
I shouldn't get pregnant and 

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have children. 
So she wants investment. 

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So then she will sexually select
for the high status male, the 

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high status male, both 
physically I, he can protect her

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and things like this, that's 
why. 

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And mentally I he can reach high
status. 

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So there's 2 dimensions in 
prehistory to status. 1 is that 

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you can literally win fights. 
And the other is that you're 

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intelligent and you're socially 
skilled and you're whatever and,

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and you can hunt well and you 
can, which is predicted by 

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intelligence and you can get to 
the top of the group. 

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And This is why intelligence is 
part of a fitness factor 

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associated with other genetic 
signs of health, including 

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height in men but not women. 
Intelligence is genetically 

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associated with height. 
Intelligence is also genetically

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associated with physical health,
with mental health, with 

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basically everything that they 
would have selected for. 

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You're selecting for a fitness 
factor. 

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Now, of course, there's, I'm not
saying it's a strong 

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correlation. 
I mean, there's all kinds of 

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deviations from that. 
And in of course, in recent 

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history, being muscular and in 
particular has been less 

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necessary. 
But it's still the case among 

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women. 
And it's built into them to be 

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sexually attracted to tall, at 
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Too tall and they're a freak 
with mutant genes that might 

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have other problems, but up to 
about sort of 6 foot 2. 

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And, and This is why men that 
are short, that are really 

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short, that's sort of five foot 
6 or less will, will, will, will

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have trouble. 
But so, so that's the kind of 

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thing. 
So then this is then the, the, 

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the, the quid pro quo that is 
engaged in. 

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And then the male says, OK, 
well, if I have to invest in 

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you, I want evidence that the 
offspring are mine. 

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So I need to be able to control 
your sexuality. 

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And so from there you develop 
patriarchy and from there you 

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develop a situation where the 
females will be evolved, will be

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adapted to live in a patriarchy 
in which important decisions are

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made for them. 
So you have therefore selection 

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under parental choice. 
So you might get a situation 

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where the parents will want to 
select for a partner for the 

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daughter who is in their genetic
interests, and she'll want who 

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is similar to them, and she'll 
want to select for somebody 

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that's similar to her. 
So therefore, the way she'll get

453
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what she wants, like the 
compromise will be ironically to

454
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,000
select for someone that's quite 
unsuitable. 

455
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,440
And then she gets the balance in
the end. 

456
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,840
So you can see that if you take 
her away from that system, 

457
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,160
she'll start making all kinds of
mistakes because she's in an 

458
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,960
evolutionary mismatch. 
And this is the problem that we 

459
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,240
are our evolutionary match at 
best is basically farming. 

460
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,960
To live in an Agricultural 
Society surrounded by people 

461
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,480
that are evolution, that are 
genetically very, very similar 

462
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,720
to us. 
That's our match. 

463
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,920
And to be surrounded by death. 
I mean, child mortality was 

464
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,720
about 50% until 1800. 
And it seems that if we are 

465
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,120
surrounded by those things, our 
instincts hit in. 

466
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,280
We want to have children. 
We want to have lots of 

467
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,200
children. 
Take That's why if you pride 

468
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,600
people with mortality sentence, 
they want to have children. 

469
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:43,240
And it's why if you if you put 
them in a war, you get, you tend

470
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,880
to get a baby boom after the war
because we're we're we're 

471
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,240
surrounded by death. 
Take those things away and then 

472
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,400
people stop wanting children. 
They're in an evolutionary 

473
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,880
mismatch. 
Their instincts don't hit in and

474
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,160
you select for people that are 
highly instinctive. 

475
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,680
And it seems that people that 
have low intelligence are highly

476
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,480
instinctive because an element 
of intelligence is the ability 

477
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,960
to rise above your instincts and
logically solve the problems 

478
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,560
that follow. 
The intelligent people would 

479
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,760
basically be lower in inbuilt 
hardware and higher in software 

480
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,720
and, and just less instinctive. 
And this seems to be why in 

481
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,960
advanced societies to a 
significant degree. 

482
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,240
Well, it's a small correlation, 
but it's there. 

483
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,040
Intelligent people are less 
likely to have children and the 

484
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,640
most intelligent women are the 
least likely to have any 

485
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,960
children. 
So there's all kinds of areas 

486
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,200
that you can, you can pursue to 
try to understand how people 

487
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,040
behave. 
For example, rape gangs. 

488
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,840
What was, which would be a 
problem in the UK with these 

489
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,760
foreign, these Muslim 
Pakistanis. 

490
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,840
Well, it's absolutely 
predictable because if you're in

491
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,280
an environment in which most 
among the hunter gatherers of 

492
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,080
the Kalahari, among the Bushmen,
I've been totally report on 

493
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,200
reservations, there were studies
of them and 60% of the males 

494
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,560
don't breed. 
So what do those males do? 

495
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,800
Those low, saddest males? 
The answer is they gang together

496
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,960
and they try and find a woman 
and they gang rape her and they 

497
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:04,680
let sperm selection do the rest.
And This is why or part of the 

498
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,560
reason why there is a fusion 
between sex and violence. 

499
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,280
That's why pseudo masochism is 
such a common fetish, because 

500
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,920
sex is fused to violence in that
in that context, it's why men, 

501
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,040
when they are masturbating over 
pseudo masochistic porn rather 

502
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,600
than vanilla porn, produce more 
sperm and ejaculate. 

503
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,280
Further, because because this is
in a book called Natural History

504
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,480
of Rape, which you should read 
where where because they are in 

505
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,720
that situation where they're 
watching. 

506
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,520
There's other men involved if 
they're watching rape porn, 

507
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,200
particularly where it puts them 
in that evolutionary mindset of 

508
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,280
being in a rape gang. 
And if you're in a rape gang, 

509
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,480
you're in sperm competition. 
So you've got to produce more 

510
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,000
sperm and you've got you've got 
to ejaculate further in. 

511
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,160
So and they get larger erections
as well in response to this form

512
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,680
for the same reasons. 
And they're further in. 

513
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,200
So there's all kinds of areas 
and a lot of it for some people 

514
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:01,200
is, is rather they have a sort 
of prurient, they don't like 

515
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,320
talking about it because it's 
sort of not very nice. 

516
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,760
It's sort of a bit taboo, but 
it's, it's our nature. 

517
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,640
We are an advanced form of ape. 
And it's interesting that 

518
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:15,840
they're prepared to accept that 
they're, they're highly critical

519
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,040
of you saying anything is other 
than to do with environment. 

520
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,960
It's all to do with environment,
not to do with genes. 

521
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,800
This is, this is nonsense, this 
is an exaggeration. 

522
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:30,520
This is pseudoscience except 
sexuality and and the studies on

523
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,240
homosexuality indicate that that
is actually highly 

524
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,000
environmental. 
Among women about 20% genetic 

525
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,440
and among men about 40% genetic.
So the majority of the variants 

526
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,440
in sexual orientation is to do 
with environmental factors, 

527
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,720
including environmental factors 
in utero. 

528
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,200
The environmental factors 
nonetheless, rather than genetic

529
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,120
factors. 
I wanted to go through a number 

530
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,720
of statements and see how you 
would go through falsifying 

531
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,320
these statements or verifying 
them or critiquing them, because

532
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,320
they're things we hear quite a 
bit. 

533
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,400
I actually want to start with 
that one. 

534
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:17,320
If I say homosexuality is purely
genetic, how would you go about 

535
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,160
falsifying that or disproving 
it? 

536
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,480
Well. 
With anything to do with 

537
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,320
genetics, what the best thing is
twin studies and preferably 

538
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,720
identical twin studies and 
preferably identical twin 

539
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,760
adoption studies. 
And then what you can do is you 

540
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,000
can see, you can what you can 
calculate based on that, the 

541
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,440
degree to which something is 
heritable and the degree to 

542
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,240
which it's to do with shared 
environment and the degree to 

543
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,160
which it's to do with different 
environment. 

544
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,680
And on that basis we can say 
that the heritability of female 

545
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,920
sexuality is approximately 20%. 
Why? 

546
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,880
It's much more adaptive for 
women to become less pernicious.

547
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,320
They are in, they are in these 
harems in which the male is 

548
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,880
going to concentrate on the 
newest, youngest, most most 

549
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,800
fertile wife any given time. 
So then they they had to deal 

550
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,080
with that by creating a certain 
what they call aloe parents. 

551
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,680
The female friendships are 
different from male friendships,

552
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,160
right? 
Female friendships involve a 

553
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,240
small number of the clique, a 
small Sex in the City, a small 

554
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,600
number of friends which are a 
specific gang, which have 

555
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,680
borders and where they share 
secret, personal, vulnerable 

556
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,560
information, things like that. 
That's how the friendship works.

557
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,720
And it's a situation of complete
equality. 

558
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Why? 
Because they're trusting each 

559
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,040
other with each other's 
children. 

560
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,800
Now you can see in that context 
in which it would make sense 

561
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,640
that the bond between them 
should be very, very strong to 

562
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,280
the And if it were to become 
sexual, then it would become 

563
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:55,160
very, very strong. 
And that seems to be why female 

564
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,880
sexuality is highly plastic. 
And females will be much more 

565
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,920
likely to go through a phase 
where they're a little bit less 

566
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,560
pernicious, where they're a 
little bit experimental in 

567
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:10,760
gayness, because it, it makes 
sense as a, as a, it's a, it's a

568
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,480
consequence of them developing 
such close friendships, which is

569
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,040
adaptive. 
That an element to that could be

570
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,400
that it's even more adaptive if,
if they're sexual because then 

571
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,400
they're strongly bonded or just 
that, that that's a, a flip 

572
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,160
side, an unnecessary flip side, 
but a flip side of intense, very

573
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,800
intense friendship. 
Males tend to be, they might go 

574
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,600
through a phase of being prison 
gay or something, or gay at a, 

575
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,240
at a public, what we call a 
public school where it's all 

576
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,000
boys and they're living together
and things like that. 

577
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,280
And you do get that indeed, in 
tribal analysis that they go 

578
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,440
through these rites of pathlage 
where they're away from the 

579
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,040
tribe for a few years becoming 
men and they and they go through

580
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,040
gay phases. 
But in general it's there are 

581
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,840
they just make a decision and 
they're either they're, they're 

582
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,680
either gay or they're not. 
They're either straight or 

583
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,840
they're homosexual. 
You get some men that are 

584
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,640
bisexual. 
This tends to be associated with

585
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,720
psychopathy and dominance and 
things like that, bisexuality. 

586
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,320
But in general, they're they're 
either gay or they're or they're

587
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,280
straight. 
There are theories as to why 

588
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,760
there is male homosexuality. 
One thing that you get is a very

589
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,160
strong the robust birth order 
effect. 

590
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,480
So the more sons a woman has, 
the more likely the more older 

591
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,400
brothers you have, the more 
likely you ought to be gay. 

592
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,360
And the suggestion is that this 
helps to reduce into male 

593
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,920
conflict in the community so 
that the the tribe that will 

594
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,360
survive against the other tribe 
will be externally hostile and 

595
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,640
internally cooperative. 
Positively and negatively 

596
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,920
ethnocentric. 
If you have too many unmarried 

597
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,080
men that can't get women, IE in 
cells, then this is going to 

598
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,840
create social conflict which is 
going to be damaging in fighting

599
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,920
the other tribe. 
So therefore you don't want too 

600
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,800
many men. 
And so therefore if you have a 

601
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,040
system whereby for what, by 
whatever mechanism homosexuality

602
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,760
becomes more likely the more 
sons you have, then you reduce 

603
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,880
into male conflict. 
So that's one theory. 

604
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,360
But anyway, that's how you would
prove that sexuality, indeed 

605
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,720
almost anything you can think 
of, is partly genetic. 

606
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,520
If someone says poverty causes 
crime, how would you go about 

607
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,520
falsifying this? 
Or is this true? 

608
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,120
Well, yeah, I think it's 
probably true that poverty 

609
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,720
causes crime in the sense that 
if you're absolutely desperate 

610
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,400
for food, if you're starving, 
you might go out and steal it. 

611
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,640
But again, with twin studies and
and family studies, we can show 

612
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,680
that there is a significant 
heritability to criminality. 

613
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,000
Criminality runs in families and
again you can engage in adoption

614
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,640
studies and you can have and you
can have people from criminal 

615
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,240
parents that are brought up by 
very, very middle class, 

616
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,560
educated, intelligent parents. 
And there's what's called a 

617
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,600
Wilson effect, IE the genetic 
traits will hit in later. 

618
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,640
And what you find is that in 
terms of their behaviour, their 

619
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,160
criminality, for example, they 
will be much more similar to 

620
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,200
their biological parents who 
will often be drug addicts and 

621
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,360
things like that than they will 
be to they're adoptive parents. 

622
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,800
So this is showing you that 
there is a significant genetic 

623
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,760
element to criminality and 
indeed you can calculate what 

624
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:15,440
elements it is and it's probably
about 50% using twin adoption 

625
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,480
studies. 
Not only that, but if you look 

626
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,880
at the traits that cause 
criminality, IE low 

627
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,560
intelligence, low 
conscientiousness, low 

628
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,120
agreeableness, being 
psychopathic, whatever, these 

629
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,400
are all at least 50% genetic. 
And indeed I think I'm right in 

630
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,920
saying we've even highlighted 
specific alleels that are 

631
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,679
associated with just with 
criminal like behaviour. 

632
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,159
So criminal criminality is 
significantly like anything like

633
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,040
that. 
It's it's significantly genetic 

634
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,440
in origin. 
There are certain kinds of 

635
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,719
people that will just be 
criminally inclined no matter 

636
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,639
what their circumstances. 
That makes much more sense 

637
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:59,600
because the left will constantly
say the only reason that people 

638
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,160
commit crimes in the 1st place 
is because the system has pushed

639
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,840
them into poverty and left them 
no other. 

640
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,240
Yeah, then that's another thing 
then. 

641
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:10,360
So socio economic status is 
significantly genetic. 

642
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,320
And indeed it's been 
fascinating. 

643
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,680
Oh, you're poor. 
Well, you're why are you poor? 

644
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,560
The the heritability of socio 
economic status across time has 

645
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,640
been found to be something like 
70%. 

646
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,160
So it's it's very, very strongly
genetic. 

647
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,280
There is a degree to which 
social classes are separate, so 

648
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,080
they marry each other. 
The the people that are that are

649
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,000
that are poor genetically select
for other people that are 

650
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,680
genetically similar to them for 
things that cause crime. 

651
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,240
Low intelligence people are 
sexually attracted to other 

652
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,400
stupid people. 
People with low with 

653
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,760
psychopathic traits are sexually
attracted to other people with 

654
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,320
psychopathic traits and so on. 
And so these traits that that 

655
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,920
that precipitate or that predict
crime are being sexually 

656
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,200
selected for. 
So that's why the heritability 

657
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,880
of socio economic status is so 
high. 

658
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,960
I mean, you know, there was a 
study in England in the 80s. 

659
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,000
It's been replicated. 
The average blood types of 

660
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,000
different social classes in 
England are different, right? 

661
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,600
This is this is these are 
genetic, these are significant. 

662
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,920
I guess it's movement by genetic
chance or whatever, but these 

663
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,760
are significantly genetic casts.
Intelligence is associated not 

664
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,400
just with socioeconomic status 
achieved, but with socioeconomic

665
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,600
status born into and the genetic
component of intelligence, which

666
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,640
is a big predictor of crime. 
Negative predictor is 80%. 

667
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,160
Someone says diversity is our 
strength. 

668
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,320
How do you go about verifying if
that's true? 

669
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,520
What? 
Does that mean, I mean, it's 

670
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,280
just such a black and white 
thing to say. 

671
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,880
You could argue that in terms of
producing a functioning society,

672
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,080
there are not Diversity is a bad
thing. 

673
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,360
People are evolved to be with 
people that are directly similar

674
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,240
to them. 
People will cooperate with 

675
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:54,640
people that are directly similar
to them. 

676
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,440
People will trust people that 
are directly similar to them. 

677
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,600
This will result in a Society of
high social trust, a society in 

678
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,520
which which then leads to all 
kinds of shared goods. 

679
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,280
You know, shared public goods 
which you wouldn't bother a 

680
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,920
Civic Society basically, which 
you wouldn't bother with if 

681
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,080
there was no social trust. 
I mean, society with very low 

682
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,120
social trust can't produce 
functioning societies because 

683
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,200
there's so much crime and so 
much distrust. 

684
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,000
No one trusts anyone else. 
And in order to build something 

685
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,280
up, I mean to build a business 
together or to build anything 

686
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,280
together, you have to be able to
trust each other. 

687
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,440
And if social trust is low, you 
can't do that. 

688
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,600
And a diverse society militates 
against social trust. 

689
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,080
It also reduces social trust 
among the natives because the 

690
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,320
natives start to become 
concerned that other natives 

691
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,400
will collaborate against the 
foreigners against them with the

692
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,760
foreigners, which they do, or 
that that they will get angry 

693
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,840
and blame other natives for 
letting this happen. 

694
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,760
So it reduces social trust even 
among the natives, but variously

695
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,800
people. 
E pluribus Unum by Robert Putnam

696
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,480
on this, which he suppressed for
about 10 years once he voted 

697
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,200
because he was so appalled by 
the results. 

698
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,280
But multiculturalism produces a 
collapsing social trust. 

699
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,240
It's associated at .66 with the 
degree of social conflict and 

700
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:13,160
civil war in a society. 
If if beat by diversity you mean

701
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,280
that it's bad, you could argue 
that a small element of 

702
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,600
diversity may be good, a small 
number of foreigners, because 

703
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,040
those foreigners will bring an 
interesting outsider 

704
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,080
perspective. 
Those foreigners, if they're a 

705
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,840
specific kind of foreigner 
that's as or more intelligent 

706
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,720
than the country into which they
come, then they, the Ashkenazi 

707
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:39,640
Jews would be an example. 
Then they will bring solve 

708
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,360
problems and bring in 
innovations that the society 

709
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,280
wouldn't otherwise have. 
That, that or the Asians in 

710
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,800
Uganda would be another example.
As I say, interesting outsider 

711
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,760
perspective. 
And it's just sort of 

712
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,040
stimulating to have a bit of 
difference. 

713
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,960
So perhaps you could argue that 
a very small amount of 

714
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,960
diversity, an optimum level of 
diversity is good. 

715
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,840
OK. 
It's a total simplification to 

716
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,000
say diversity is our strength 
because there's all kinds of 

717
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,000
downsides to it. 
Final one on the falsification 

718
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,800
attempts here. 
Problems with mass migration do 

719
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,680
exist and that's why governments
need to drastically increase the

720
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,360
amount of money they spend on 
food, housing, schooling and 

721
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,720
healthcare for immigrants and we
need to have anti bigotry 

722
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,040
training for the domestic 
population. 

723
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,240
How would you go about verifying
as to whether or not that should

724
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,320
be pursued or that's something 
that would work in reality? 

725
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,840
Well. 
I don't think, I mean to what 

726
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,480
extent is anti bigot. 
I don't know. 

727
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,360
I don't even understand what 
they're trying to say. 

728
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,840
They're saying they should have.
That's what all of us are 

729
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,200
required to do. 
What does that, what does that 

730
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,560
even mean? 
If mass migration, you have to 

731
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,240
set out philosophically what you
regard as the good that you want

732
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:58,760
to achieve. 
What is it? 

733
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,200
If you're saying, if you're 
saying that mass migration is a 

734
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,600
good in itself because it 
creates diversity, you're 

735
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,480
basically saying diversity 
creates diversity. 

736
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,440
It's a circular argument. 
That's that's just a form of 

737
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,760
fanaticism. 
That's that's meaningless. 

738
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,080
If what you're saying is you 
want workers and people with a 

739
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,720
high standard of living, you, 
you want the people that live in

740
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,480
a country to have a high 
standard of living, if that's 

741
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,560
what you're saying, if you're 
saying what you want is relative

742
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,040
equality, whereby everybody has 
a reasonably high standard of 

743
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:28,880
living, is that what you're 
saying? 

744
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,440
I don't know what you're saying.
If that's what they're saying, 

745
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,000
then you have to ask them, does 
mass migration assist that? 

746
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,480
And the answer is obviously no, 
because one, it undercuts the 

747
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,240
wages of the working class, so 
it reduces the extent to which 

748
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,400
they can have a good standard of
living relative to other 

749
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,280
classes. 2, the infrastructure, 
it's very hard for the 

750
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,000
infrastructure to keep up with 
it. 

751
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,040
And three, it undermines social 
trust. 

752
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,200
And social trust is very 
important and all kinds of 

753
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,000
things are downwind of social 
trust, like innovation. 

754
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:09,880
I mean, think about a person 
that is a genius type who is 

755
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,280
highly intelligent and who has 
problems to solve right here. 

756
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,400
There's only 24 hours in a day. 
If he's got to be worrying about

757
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,360
whether his house is secure, 
about whether his car might be 

758
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,160
stolen, about whether his house 
might be broken into, about 

759
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,560
whether it might be mugged in 
the street, about whether he can

760
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,640
get a doctor's appointment, 
about whether he can get his 

761
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,240
child into a school. 
That's all intellectual energy 

762
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:39,120
and time that is taken away from
him being able to produce his, 

763
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:45,240
his, his genius innovation. 
An extent to there's an extent 

764
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:48,600
to which it aids innovation to 
cooperate with other people. 

765
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,080
If you have a broad society 
where lots of other people are 

766
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,920
concerned about all these things
as well, and trust is anyway 

767
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,080
lowered because people 
increasingly don't don't trust 

768
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,040
each other because of diversity,
you're creating a situation 

769
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,440
where there's less innovation, 
there's less an ability to 

770
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,680
solve, ability to solve 
problems. 

771
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,200
And then you get a terrible 
situation where the degree to 

772
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,040
which population increases, the 
only way we have a civilization 

773
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,000
is that innovation takes place 
faster than population increase,

774
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,640
that we can increase resources 
faster than we can population 

775
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,120
increase. 
If that difference is narrowed, 

776
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,640
then standards of living start 
to kind of go down. 

777
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,560
And, and, and so it seems to me 
all of these things bring 

778
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,400
together, I tell you that mass 
migration is a terrible idea. 

779
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,000
I don't believe in mass 
migration. 

780
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,640
I believe in mass re migration. 
I think my country, England 

781
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,720
elected a thoroughly anti 
British government. 

782
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,680
It came to power on the 2nd of 
May 1997. 

783
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,200
It revolutionized the country. 
It revolutionized all 

784
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,640
traditional English liberties. 
It revolutionized everything and

785
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,120
it started mass migration in 
order to undercut the cost of 

786
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,320
labour and in order because they
just believed in it, just to rub

787
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,600
the right to nose in diversity. 
That's what they said to make 

788
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,000
sure that. 
So I I think there should be 

789
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,840
anyone that has been born in 
England since the 2nd of May 

790
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,800
1990. 
Anyone that's come to England 

791
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,040
since the 2nd of May 1997, 
unless they have married an 

792
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,280
English person, I should be 
deported. 

793
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,720
When it comes to intelligence, 
is there a general litmus test? 

794
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:30,240
You have to see if you're 
speaking with an intelligent 

795
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:33,600
person or someone who is rather 
feeble minded. 

796
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,120
Me personally, yes. 
Is there a litmus test? 

797
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:39,200
You how how quickly do they 
talk? 

798
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,480
Talking speed is the robust call
of intelligence that correlates 

799
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,760
with intelligence is about .3. 
And you can you can judge it 

800
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,680
very quickly. 
People that are low in 

801
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,120
intelligence will speak slowly 
into a big part of intelligence 

802
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,560
is basically just processing the
big judgement is how quickly do 

803
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,000
they speak. 
It's not a perfect judgement. 

804
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,000
You're going to get some people 
that are highly intelligent that

805
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,480
speak slowly and you're going to
get some people that are that 

806
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,120
are very intelligent that can 
speak quickly. 

807
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,960
But that's a big judgement. 
How how quickly do they speak? 

808
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,760
And then the second one, again, 
it's not perfect because you're 

809
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,840
going to get the tongue tied 
physicist or you're going to get

810
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,560
the not that bright sort of 
postmodern philosopher is the 

811
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,360
kind of vocabulary, if they're 
native speakers, the kind of the

812
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,360
kind of vocabulary that they 
that they employ certain words 

813
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,000
they employ indicating high 
vocabulary. 

814
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,640
Yeah, I think talking speed is a
pretty robust 1. 

815
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,560
You would say that you are a 
scientist and we have scientists

816
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:41,040
in America called Tony Fauci who
claimed that they also like 

817
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,600
science. 
How can we differentiate good 

818
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,680
science from bad science 
considering you are very often 

819
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,960
labeled a hater and someone who 
uses selective science and 

820
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,400
pseudoscience? 
How do we differentiate good 

821
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,040
science from bad if you if you 
call? 

822
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,040
It pseudoscience. 
That's an appeal to insult. 

823
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,000
So that's a fallacy. 
So anyone that called anything 

824
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,560
pseudoscience rather than 
saying, OK, we'll hear the 

825
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,960
problems with it. 
If you call it pseudoscience, 

826
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,600
that's that's an appeal to 
insult. 

827
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,040
That's a fallacy and that shows 
you're a bad scientist. 

828
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,320
Just the quick just using that 
term, because you shouldn't do 

829
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,040
that. 
You should say, here are the 

830
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,360
problems with this research. 
What you're doing is labeling it

831
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,120
and dismissing it. 
Secondly, if you say, oh, he's 

832
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,640
cherry picking his data, we'll 
show that. 

833
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,280
Otherwise you're just lying. 
So I I I would say that our good

834
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,440
distinction is do they do they 
use those kinds of facts? 

835
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,560
Science should be about 
logically interrogating the 

836
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,080
data. 
You should never, ever use 

837
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,560
fallacious argumentation such as
calling your opponents views 

838
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,440
pseudoscience. 
That's an obvious one. 

839
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,680
Or appeal to emotion. 
Saying you're you're someone 

840
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:56,560
else's usable will cause 
problems or appeal to authority.

841
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,600
Oh, this person has a degree in 
linguistics rather than a degree

842
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,120
in science. 
And so I'm going to dismiss what

843
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,800
they're saying out of hand. 
For God's sake. 

844
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,680
Thomas Edwards, the 
Aberdeenshire Shoemaker, was a 

845
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,360
world expert on molluscs. 
Charles Darwin. 

846
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,240
Charles Darwin had nothing more 
than a degree in theology. 

847
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,520
So that's obviously a fallacy. 
So do they use those kinds of 

848
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,360
fallacies? 
And if they do, that is a that 

849
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,880
is a an ideologue dressed up in 
the cloak of science. 

850
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,640
That is not do they call racist.
I mean, there's a guy called 

851
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,000
Adam Rutherford that's written 
about what the word racist is 

852
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,120
inflammatory. 
It's insulting. 

853
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:37,680
It's a shut up word. 
It's vague. 

854
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,800
It's stretched as a means of 
reproving people back onto the 

855
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,760
path of orthodoxy. 
It's no ordinary word. 

856
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,120
So if you write a book as a 
scientist called How to Argue 

857
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,960
with a racist, and yet he calls 
me a racist but won't come on 

858
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,720
and talk to me, this is showing 
you that's not a real science. 

859
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:57,680
That's not, that's OK. 
He's qualified in science. 

860
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,280
He has a PhD in science, so he 
doesn't publish very much. 

861
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,080
But, but, but that's a person 
who is an ideologue dressed up 

862
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,480
in the cloak of science, and 
he's interested in science 

863
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,040
because of the status that 
science accrues for you. 

864
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,880
He's not interested. 
He's basically using science as 

865
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,200
a means of espousing in an 
extreme way the current 

866
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,440
ideology. 
He's not interested in actually 

867
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,600
solving problems because you 
should be interested in, if 

868
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,000
you're a genuine scientist in 
solving problems that will get 

869
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,320
you into trouble for solving 
them. 

870
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,160
The truth should be your one 
thing, the truth, the empirical 

871
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,640
method, logic and the use of of 
a quantitative method. 

872
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,640
That's the essence of science. 
And if you're using fallacious 

873
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,960
arguments, that's the key thing 
that for me is just obvious. 

874
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,520
They use fallacious argument at 
all. 

875
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,360
That's a degree to which are 
they really? 

876
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,560
A scientist like Richard 
Dawkins, he uses terribly 

877
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,440
fallacious arguments. 
So I see him as a person that's 

878
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:54,680
motivated by some sort of anti 
religious fervor rather than by 

879
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,800
actually solving problems. 
You studied the anthropology of 

880
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,160
religion. 
What is anthropology? 

881
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,440
Anthropology it's there's two 
kinds of anthropologies, 

882
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,760
physical anthropology, which is 
the study of the human body, 

883
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,840
essentially forensic 
anthropology and there's social 

884
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,000
anthropology, which is the study
of essentially of cultures 

885
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,840
normally via immersion. 
So you go and live with them and

886
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,480
spend time with them and observe
them as you would a group of 

887
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,160
monkeys in some ways and, and 
then you study them and that was

888
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,200
more what I, that was the side 
of anthropology. 

889
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,920
I looked at social anthropology,
so I spent being, you know, 

890
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,680
being among fundamentalist 
Christians at universities. 

891
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Were there any significant 
findings that you came away with

892
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,840
in your studies on the 
anthropology of religion that 

893
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,840
you feel are very valuable for 
people to understand? 

894
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:56,320
No, that's why I moved over into
other things because because 

895
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,520
it's it's, it's it's, I mean, I 
spoke only only in so much as I 

896
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:05,440
found that there were different 
in in my own field work. 

897
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,440
You mean I found that there were
different structures of 

898
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,680
university and there were 
universities which were much 

899
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,160
more transitional than others 
and the much more involved a 

900
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,120
rite of passage and things like 
that and a change from childhood

901
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,720
to adulthood and extreme change.
And that's what Oxford was like.

902
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,440
And Aberdeen was much less like 
that and lied and even less so 

903
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,400
lied and just like living at 
home and going to school. 

904
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,560
And it wasn't transitional. 
So, and the, it seemed to be 

905
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,400
related to it, that if you're in
transitional phase, it's 

906
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,080
psychologically difficult and 
you're under stress. 

907
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,080
And if you're psychologically 
difficult and under stress, 

908
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,160
you're more likely to become 
religious because your instincts

909
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,640
hit in if you're under stress. 
And so I found that the the 

910
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,160
presence of fundamentalist 
Christianity was much more 

911
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,000
prevalent at Oxford than 
Aberdeen and in turn than at 

912
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,640
Lydon. 
That was basically what I found.

913
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,280
If I'd done that again, I'd have
looked at it from a more 

914
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,880
psychological perspective and 
looked at more what was the 

915
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,640
cause and what was the effect? 
Because it could be that the 

916
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,560
kind of personality traits that 
make you religious are you being

917
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:13,680
highly pro social when you 
control for intelligence will 

918
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,040
make you more academic and 
that's more likely to get into 

919
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,040
Oxford. 
And so therefore we just get 

920
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,680
people that are genetically more
religious that go to Oxford for 

921
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,720
that reason. 
So that's, that's something I've

922
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,480
thought about since, but we 
weren't taught any of that side 

923
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,080
of things, the genetic side of 
things when we did the study of 

924
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,960
religion in theology 
departments. 

925
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,920
Do you think it's almost 
necessary for purposes of social

926
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:42,400
cohesion for people to embrace a
myth that is extremely unlikely 

927
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,760
to be true? 
For example, if a lot of Muslims

928
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,960
just said be kind to one 
another, our religion is about, 

929
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,320
you know, building beautiful 
mosques and doing the right 

930
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,560
thing. 
That might not inspire people. 

931
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,040
It might not show allegiance if 
you believe something like that.

932
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,440
But if you believe that Muhammad
rode a horse into heaven, that 

933
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,680
is such a stretch of the 
imagination that you're really 

934
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,720
signaling loyalty. 
And is this why religion might 

935
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,600
be necessary for social 
cohesion? 

936
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,920
I think as a rule, religion, I 
mean, you could argue that 

937
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,320
there's been an evolutionary 
battle of different kinds of 

938
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,680
religion across history. 
I mean, the the Shakers said you

939
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,680
shouldn't have children. 
Well, they're not going to last 

940
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:25,880
very long, are they? 
And they didn't. 

941
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,200
But in general, religion tends 
to take that which is adaptive 

942
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:34,880
and make it into the will of 
God. 

943
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,720
So it places a cloak of the 
eternal and the unquestionable 

944
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,360
on essentially that which is 
adaptive at the individual and 

945
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,520
particularly at the group level.
That's what it does. 

946
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,760
And there are different 
ecologies which then produce 

947
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,880
different kinds of religiosity. 
So you get once you get cities 

948
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,080
and people have to cooperate, 
but they don't know. 

949
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,280
It's interesting that at that 
stage you get the development of

950
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,640
what's called big gods, IE moral
gods, gods that are concerned 

951
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,480
with individual morality. 
Because the only way you can be 

952
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,280
sure that a stranger, you can 
trust him, that he won't mess 

953
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,840
you around if he worships the 
same God as you and thus 

954
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,320
believes in the same morality as
you. 

955
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,040
So you, you get these even these
developments. 

956
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,520
But I think that's basically 
what religion is doing. 

957
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,000
And so therefore it has to have 
that eternal element. 

958
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,600
And luckily we have evolved at 
times of stress and things like 

959
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,120
this and mortality salience to 
feel that God is present in a 

960
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,440
very real way, whether he is or 
he isn't. 

961
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,080
And then religions encourage you
to go to these religious 

962
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,600
services which to varying 
degrees depending on the kind of

963
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:51,400
religion, attempt to induce the 
presence, a feeling of the 

964
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,080
presence of God, attempt to to 
induce them through hymns, 

965
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,080
through prayer, through 
whatever, a feeling of something

966
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,360
greater, as Durkheim put it in 
his analysis. 

967
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,640
So and I think that that so 
yeah, I think that that is it 

968
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,360
seems to be the case that that's
what religion does and that 

969
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,000
groups which are high in ethnos 
in in positive and negative 

970
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,080
ethnocentrism and those that 
correlates very strongly with 

971
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,280
religiosity. 
I'll have high they work. 

972
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,440
They just got they will they 
will dominate. 

973
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,320
They have higher fertility that 
they have high fertility. 

974
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,400
They have higher genetic mental 
health. 

975
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,600
They have higher genetic 
physical health. 

976
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,240
And it seems to me that a 
process is occurring at the 

977
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,040
moment. 
I look at this in my book work 

978
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,480
Eugenics, that if you control, 
Yeah, OK, we're getting 

979
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,400
stupider, We're all getting 
stupid. 

980
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,600
Society is going down in IQ by 
about a point per decade. 

981
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,840
But if for genetic reasons, But 
if you control for intelligence,

982
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,400
the big predictor of sterility 
is that you are left wing and 

983
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,240
you are an atheist. 
And the big predictor of 

984
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,720
fertility is that you are right 
wing and you are a conservative.

985
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,800
And these things correlate by 
the word about .6. 

986
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,280
And the heritability of 
conservatism and of religiosity 

987
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,640
is between .6 and .7. 
It's pretty high. 

988
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,080
So essentially we are selecting 
among the more intelligent for 

989
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:16,360
religious people and 
conservative people. 

990
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,040
The left are becoming the right 
are becoming stupider, but the 

991
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,400
left are becoming stupider more 
quickly among the native 

992
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,600
population. 
And what this should lead to 

993
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,440
eventually is a switch among the
elite, Where the elite of, of 

994
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,320
Gen. 
Z or whatever become right wing 

995
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,320
and then you see the ascension 
upwards into positions of power 

996
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:36,760
and all these Nick Fuentes 
types. 

997
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,880
And so, so that's what, yeah, I 
think you, you do have to have a

998
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,760
metaphysical element. 
That's why religion has 

999
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,600
survived, I think, because you 
have to have this metaphysical 

1000
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:55,080
element to, to fire people up, 
people of some kind, even if 

1001
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,280
it's quite vague, but but it has
to be there. 

1002
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,600
And that's why Buddhism almost 
never exists as pure Buddhism, 

1003
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:04,600
because Buddhism doesn't have a 
God. 

1004
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:08,360
It's always Buddhism in 
synchronization with local Pagan

1005
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,320
ideas and things like that. 
I have two more questions for 

1006
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,000
you. 
Thank you so much for your time.

1007
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,600
When it comes to finding 
happiness, a lot of people in my

1008
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:23,080
generation thought it was a 
result of acquiring large 

1009
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,120
amounts of material goods. 
And it seems like a lot of times

1010
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,280
when once people acquire the 
material goods they sought 

1011
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,040
after, there's still a great 
amount of loneliness. 

1012
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,200
It's generally referred to in 
America as the loneliness 

1013
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,760
epidemic, that people are 
experiencing increased rates and

1014
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,480
suicide and the like. 
When it comes to what makes 

1015
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,960
people happy from an 
evolutionary psychologist or an 

1016
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,640
anthropological perspective, 
what is it that makes someone 

1017
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,040
happy? 
Well, first of all, I should say

1018
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,760
again, your question assumes the
sort of typical environmental 

1019
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,400
view, doesn't it? 
You're going to get, you could 

1020
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,320
get a person that's genetically 
happy. 

1021
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,480
What is it to be genetically 
happy? 

1022
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,640
It's basically you're high in 
extroversion, you feel positive 

1023
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,160
feelings strongly. 
You're a happy person. 

1024
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,840
And you could get a happy person
and you could take all their 

1025
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,560
money away and they'd be a happy
person and they'd be poor. 

1026
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,720
Or you could get a person that's
genetically unhappy, I learn 

1027
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:19,720
extroversion and high 
neuroticism and give them 

1028
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:22,480
£1,000,000 and they'd be a rich 
unhappy person. 

1029
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,040
So an, an element of it is just 
genetics. 

1030
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,920
But but putting that aside, I 
think a very big part of it is 

1031
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,520
living in, is living in your 
evolutionary is relative wealth.

1032
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,440
So people are happier the 
wealthier they are. 

1033
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,760
This is, this is true relative 
wealth, but that that's not 

1034
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,480
enough. 
And another big part of it is 

1035
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,280
just living in your evolutionary
match. 

1036
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,880
That's what makes us happy. 
Put a dog in his evolutionary 

1037
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,400
match, which is running around 
in the outside, he's happy, 

1038
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,360
right? 
Put a cat in his evolutionary 

1039
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,680
match outside hunting or 
whatever, he's happy. 

1040
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,440
Put a human in their 
evolutionary match, which is to 

1041
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,200
live in a small scale 
countryside community where he 

1042
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,360
knows everybody and everyone's 
very similar to him and there's 

1043
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,840
lots of social trust. 
He's happy. 

1044
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,480
And it's been found that as I 
said, wealth does make you happy

1045
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,760
because we are evolved to want 
to be the top of the pack. 

1046
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,760
We are evolved to want to be 
successful. 

1047
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,120
We are therefore evolved to want
wealth. 

1048
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,480
And there was a study which 
found that over a certain level 

1049
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,520
of wealth, it doesn't matter. 
But the person that published 

1050
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,360
that study has now said no, he 
was wrong. 

1051
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,040
The richer you are in general, 
the happier you are. 

1052
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,200
So if people that are the CEO 
all are all else controlled for,

1053
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,760
I mean, so people that are CEOs 
of large companies are quite 

1054
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,280
happy. 
But who do you think in America 

1055
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,760
who is not really rich, has a 
level of subjective happiness 

1056
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:50,120
which is as high as that CEOs? 
I would guess it's people in the

1057
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,480
South who are a little more 
isolated and closer to their 

1058
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,280
families. 
Further north. 

1059
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,160
Further north. 
Further north, it would be 

1060
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,320
people in New England who are in
Ivy Leagues. 

1061
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,440
No, it's the Amish. 
No, the Amish because, because 

1062
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,480
they, because they are living in
their evolutionary match, which 

1063
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,800
is small scale communities, 
small scale religious 

1064
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,720
communities where they relate to
everybody and they know 

1065
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,200
everybody and they and they, 
they have the, the kind of work 

1066
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,440
where they can see their 
results. 

1067
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,720
It's meaningful and they are 
extremely happy people. 

1068
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,760
So that's, that seems to be now 
that partly could be a genetic 

1069
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,520
effect. 
Are you the ones that are pissed

1070
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,560
off of being Amish leaving Room 
Springer or something? 

1071
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,760
But the degree to which they are
leading in Roomspring was going 

1072
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,720
down, so they now have an 80% 
retention rate. 

1073
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,040
So it could be it could be a 
genetic effect. 

1074
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,680
It's probably is partly genetic 
effect, but it's also I think 

1075
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,280
that they're just living in 
their evolutionary match. 

1076
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,840
You wrote a book titled 
Churchill's Headmaster. 

1077
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,080
What were some of the lessons 
you learned from researching 

1078
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,120
this topic? 
Well, the main, the key thing 

1079
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,640
was that a lot of what Churchill
and his supporters say is lies. 

1080
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,480
And so I thought to myself, 
well, Eve Churchill, this thing 

1081
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,920
that he has this headmaster, who
was this evil sadist. 

1082
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,200
Is that true? 
Let's check that. 

1083
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,520
And I went through all the 
records and I tracked down 

1084
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,960
people that were just the 
descendants of his pupils and 

1085
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,200
kept Diaries and things at the 
time. 

1086
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,400
And the degree to which he was 
this evil sadist was very, very,

1087
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,840
very heavily exaggerated. 
He wasn't. 

1088
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,760
He was a severe flogger even by 
the stands of the time. 

1089
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,200
But there are others like him. 
And there was another side to 

1090
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,680
him. 
And a lot of people really liked

1091
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,120
him and thought he was great. 
So it just shows you there is a 

1092
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,480
mythology based around Winston 
Churchill. 

1093
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,720
I'm afraid I've got a boomer 
truth, as my friend academic 

1094
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,920
agent calls it, that oh, he's 
this great guy, he's perfect, 

1095
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,400
He's wonderful. 
No, he was a warmongering 

1096
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:56,760
alcoholic. 
Money spending, wasteful, 

1097
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:02,120
dishonest aristocrat who took 
his country into a wasteful, 

1098
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,600
completely pointless war that 
was nothing to do with us 

1099
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,560
because of the because the 
people that were funding him 

1100
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,920
wanted there to be a war and he 
needed their funding because he 

1101
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,840
had this lavish lifestyle. 
And then in order to get America

1102
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,480
to come on board once we're deep
in that war, he basically had to

1103
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,920
give away all our resources to 
America bankrupt, which which he

1104
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,960
did. 
And then America got involved in

1105
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,960
the war. 
And by the way, if we're going 

1106
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,160
to, if we're going to say that 
Franklin D Roosevelt, is he some

1107
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,160
kind of Saint? 
No, Franklin D Roosevelt had 

1108
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,960
numerous affairs. 
That's why him and his wife were

1109
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,160
married on paper only by the 
time of World War 2. 

1110
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,720
And during World War 2, it seems
he was having a relationship 

1111
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,480
with the Crown Princess of 
Norway. 

1112
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,440
And this is what this pressure 
from her persuaded him to let to

1113
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,360
lend the British equipment, 
which then resulted in the 

1114
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,800
Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour. 
So, you know, think about him as

1115
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,240
well. 
But Churchill basically, I'm 

1116
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,040
saying is much blacker than he's
painted. 

1117
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,160
That was the key take away. 
And his headmaster? 

1118
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:09,200
Not as black as he's painted. 
Thank you to everyone for 

1119
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,440
watching Keith Knight. 
Don't tread on anyone in the 

1120
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,440
Libertarian Institute. 
Today's guest, Doctor Edward 

1121
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,840
Dutton, check him out at the 
Jolly Heretic. 

1122
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,880
Links will be in the description
below. 

1123
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,600
Doctor Dutton, thank you so much
for your time. 

1124
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,040
Pleasure to talk to you. 
Bye bye.