1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,680 This morning, President Biden huddled in the Situation Room 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,160 with his full national security team, and we expect to hear the 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,240 president, in just a few moments, announce a new round of 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,520 sweeping sanctions for what he calls the unprovoked and 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,760 unjustified attack on Ukraine. Russian military has begun a 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,600 brutal assault on the people of Ukraine without provocation, 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,920 without justification, without necessity. 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,840 This is a premeditated. Attack Ukrainian President 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,680 Vladimir Zelensky says history will be made at this summit. 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:40,240 Ukraine never wanted this war. It's a criminal and absolutely 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:46,040 unprovoked aggression of Russia, and the only one who wanted it 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,960 was Putin. Welcome to Keith Knight. 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Don't tread on anyone in the Libertarian Institute. 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,440 Today we'll be discussing provoked, how Washington started 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,640 the new Cold War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine with 16 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,360 the author Scott Horton. Can you walk us through the 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,440 German unification deal with Secretary of State James Baker? 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,880 Sure. OK, so this is the fall of the 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:16,400 Soviet Union and from the time after World War 2 up until 1989 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,280 or the process beginning in 1989, the Soviet Union occupied 21 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,800 all of Eastern Europe, including all the way to halfway across 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,040 Germany. And when the Soviet Union 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,400 started falling apart in 1989, essentially people started 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,120 fleeing from Hungary into Austria, neutral Austria. 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,760 And the communist rule had always been, and they'll shoot 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,840 you for trying to escape. And that's real. 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,520 I mean, people could not escape outside the borders of the 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,000 Soviet Union. They'd be machine gun. 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,160 And but when they fled from Hungary into Austria in November 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:55,880 of 1989, the new or not that new, but the Soviet premier, 31 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,960 Gorbachev ordered his men to hold their fire and allow the 32 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:03,120 people to go ahead and go. And then that was it, man, like 33 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,760 a floodgate. I just saw a video the other day 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,080 of a guy kind of gently chipping away at a Beaver Dam until the 35 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,280 whole thing just completely, you know, fell apart 'cause you 36 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:13,840 know, it's going to flood or whatever you need to. 37 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,640 But that's the fall of the Soviet Union right there. 38 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:17,760 It's like chipping away, chipping away, chipping away. 39 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,800 But once that border was opened, oh, that was it. 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,520 And now you got people fleeing from east to West all over the 41 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:29,280 place and including you had this very strange situation that was 42 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,920 a remnant of the Second World War where the free half city of 43 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:38,280 West Berlin was holy inside East Germany, Kami East Germany. 44 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,400 And this is of course a major contention between the East and 45 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,560 the West during the Cold War and could have led to a nuclear war. 46 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,720 Fights over Berlin did get heated at different times. 47 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:53,560 And so this was the the big symbolic falling of the Berlin 48 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,360 Wall that the Soviets had built in 1961 between East and West to 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,920 keep people from fleeing from the Communist E into West 50 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:04,640 Berlin, and then from there catching a plane to the West 51 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:06,560 Germany and the rest of the West. 52 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,640 So the Berlin Wall came down and that began the process of the 53 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,600 entire dissolution of the USSR. Now part of that was the 54 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,560 question of what's going to happen to Germany now that the 55 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,040 Soviets are withdrawing. Now the Soviets still had troops 56 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,360 there and the question was, are they going to essentially accede 57 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,280 to the will of the German people and remove their troops? 58 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,960 And on the, you know, with the the deal already being the 59 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:41,400 reunification of Germany under W German rule after they leave and 60 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,600 they essentially negotiated a deal and the Americans has 61 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,560 essentially threatened Gorbachev that listen man, you don't want 62 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:55,040 to independent nuclear armed Germany that can do whatever it 63 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,560 wants after the last two wars over there. 64 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,800 So what would be better would be for you to withdraw your forces 65 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,120 from Germany. On a condition that America is 66 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,080 going to stay and Germany will remain part of NATO. 67 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,120 And that means America will be calling their shots. 68 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,440 And it means that they will have no need to obtain nuclear 69 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,160 weapons. We have nuclear weapons 70 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,640 stationed on their soil. They don't need nukes of their 71 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,760 own. Isn't that the future that you 72 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,720 want here for the medium term? And Gorbachev said, yeah, that 73 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,800 sounds smart. So in the negotiations, and this 74 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,320 is what you're getting at with your question, because it became 75 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,280 an important bone of contention, part of the question was So what 76 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:36,920 is going to become of the status of the NATO alliance, the 77 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,280 Western NATO alliance in the face of the disillusion of the 78 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:44,560 Warsaw Pact, or at least its. Retreat from Germany and 79 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,560 somewhat nonsensically, Baker had said. 80 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,600 Well, we'll bring Germany into what? 81 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,400 We'll reunify Germany, but we won't expand NATO. 82 00:04:56,840 --> 00:05:00,440 Like the concept to the East, that doesn't really mean 83 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,360 anything if Germany's part of NATO and the East is being 84 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,360 reunified with the West under W German rule, the commie 85 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,400 government of the East is being completely dissolved and 86 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,680 replaced then. Of. 87 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,480 Course, NATO's what their war guarantee clearly extends to 88 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,880 Germany as well. So then they said, well, since 89 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,920 that doesn't make sense, what we'll do is we'll kind of revise 90 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,640 it and say that we won't put any military forces in East Germany. 91 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,960 And so that was what ended up going into the treaty. 92 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,200 But what's important is that it was when James Baker and the 93 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,800 German Foreign Minister, Hans Dietrich Genscher, and on on top 94 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,520 of that, then Deputy Director of the CIA, Robert Gates was also 95 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,600 communicating to them on the same day, February 9th, 1990, 96 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:49,920 that what we'll do is we'll not expand the NATO alliance, E not 97 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,040 one inch, as long as you withdraw and allow 98 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,600 reunification. And it was based on those 99 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:01,240 promises that Gorbachev agreed to allow reunification. 100 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,120 And in fact, they started to try to walk it back. 101 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,680 The Americans did and said, well, you know, we're going to 102 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,120 do this thing where we just promised not to put our military 103 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,160 forces in the east. We'll have the special military 104 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,920 zone. But of course, you know, NATO 105 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,040 will have a war guarantee. We'll still, you know, count in 106 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,520 the East and all that. Well, Genscher. 107 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,960 Did he knew that the Americans were revising their take? 108 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,760 And then he went and met Gorbachev one more time and 109 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,760 didn't say anything about that, said the deal from the other day 110 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,400 is still what we're talking about here. 111 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,920 And it was based on that. Because, see, it's not that the 112 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,400 United States is super sovereign over the Galaxy. 113 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,280 Germany also is a nation state and part of NATO. 114 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,760 And their foreign ministers promises also mean things, you 115 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,320 might think. And it was based on Genscher's 116 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:55,200 promise to Gorbachev that Gorbachev said, OK, fine, I'll 117 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,480 allow reunification. And then Genscher, now that was 118 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,800 just a spoken sentence that wasn't in a treaty. 119 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,680 He just agreed. And Genscher went right out and 120 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,920 gave a press conference and said, OK, he said that we can 121 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,760 reunify. We got full permission from 122 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,200 Gorbachev. Can't back down on that now. 123 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,640 And it was based on the promise it will not extend NATO one inch 124 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,480 E at the same time, all during this conversations, especially 125 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,480 the Germans. But the Americans have time too, 126 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,920 brought up by name Poland, Hungary, the Baltics, the Czech 127 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,760 Republic, and said, no, of course we can't extend there. 128 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,960 If we're not extending into eastern Germany, we certainly 129 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:40,520 aren't extending east of there. And then there, remember, in the 130 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,080 written treaty, they said, OK, but we promise not to move our 131 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,600 military forces into eastern Germany at the same time that 132 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,640 all this is going on. They're promising, as they said 133 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,880 repeatedly, that NATO is actually going to become a 134 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,720 political organization, sort of like the EU plus the United 135 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,600 States. And we're going to have an 136 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,320 entire new security structure for Europe that includes Russia. 137 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,680 And this was what they called the common European. 138 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,440 Home and Bush senior had said he I guess, was calling this the 139 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,920 New World Order, although he didn't really mean it, that it 140 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,560 would be from Vancouver to Vladivostok. 141 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,760 Would be one united security alliance of the North, or 142 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,840 actually, as they put it, not an alliance, but a partnership, 143 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,920 meaning that everybody works on all these security issues 144 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,360 together. And after all the Soviet Union's 145 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,960 gone, there's nothing to fight about anyway. 146 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,679 There's no one to fight with. And so we'll just have one 147 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,000 common security structure, including Russia, and it was 148 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,840 based on all these promises. That they allowed the 149 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,400 dissolution of the Warsaw Pact and the freeing of the nations 150 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,920 of Eastern Europe which they could have fought for, as they 151 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:54,800 had in the Prague Spring and in Hungary and in in Poland, 152 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,160 crushing Solidarity in the early, early 1980s. 153 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,160 They had shown themselves willing to. 154 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,120 Crush local dissent against communist power during the Cold 155 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,800 War. It was based on all these 156 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,880 assurances by the West that they decided to withdraw. 157 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:15,040 And so even if it didn't say in a treaty, we promised never to 158 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,400 bring the Baltic states or Poland into NATO. 159 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,000 Still, you have to ask yourself, because it is in the treaty that 160 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,000 they promised not to move their military forces into eastern 161 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,480 Germany. Well, if they were always 162 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:35,000 welcome and free. To join to to bring Poland and 163 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,040 the Baltic states into the NATO alliance and deploy military 164 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,840 forces there, then what difference would it make if they 165 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,840 deploy military forces in eastern Germany, right? 166 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,120 So the promise in the treaty was a recognition of their earlier 167 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,080 promise, just slightly revising it. 168 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:58,920 And in fact, as I show in the book, in 1989, before any of 169 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,360 this, the first kind of warm up meeting before they inaugurated 170 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,680 this entire series of talks was Bush senior and Gorbachev at 171 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:13,200 Malta. And senior told him, listen, if 172 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,680 you allow all these countries to break away from the Warsaw Pact, 173 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,240 I promise we will not take advantage of that. 174 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,240 That was a solemn promise by the president of the United States. 175 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:29,480 And as his ambassador at the time told me on the show and has 176 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,280 written repeatedly, clearly that counts. 177 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,040 Expanding the NATO alliance is taking advantage of the 178 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,120 withdrawal of the Warsaw Pact, no matter how you slice it. 179 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,280 That was the first. Promise that was made was Bush 180 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,800 himself before Baker ever had a chance, and Gates and the rest 181 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,960 of them and as well as the British foreign minister heard 182 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,320 the German foreign minister, Genscher, etcetera. 183 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,400 And the French had had given a couple of promises along the 184 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,680 same lines as well. So these are all supposedly 185 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:02,880 equal partners in the NATO alliance, have just as much 186 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,280 right as each other to make solemn promises to a country 187 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,960 like Russia while they're negotiating things like this. 188 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,800 I mean, they work together on it obviously. 189 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,240 And they were agreed. But here's the thing. 190 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,440 They were lying. It's hard to find the scholars 191 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:19,760 who will admit that they were lying. 192 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,720 Only Joshua Shiffrinson that I've seen will write in a 193 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,920 journal with his professor glasses on. 194 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,640 That like hey. Man, they knew what they were 195 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,600 doing. The plan always was they were 196 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,280 going to expand the NATO alliance, and they made-up this 197 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:39,960 crap about expanding the Center for Security and Cooperation in 198 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,720 Europe, which became the Organization for Security and 199 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,720 Cooperation in Europe. Isn't it Center? 200 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,400 I think so, yeah. The CSCE and they were, they 201 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,640 were promising that they were going to use the CSCE and then 202 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,840 later the Partnership for Peace. And these were why Russia didn't 203 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,240 have to worry about NATO expansion, because NATO is not 204 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,040 even going to be a military alliance anymore anyway. 205 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,920 It's going to be a. Political organization, it's 206 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,320 going to basically be an agreement between it states 207 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,080 that. They will not resolve their 208 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,440 border disputes with violence, that they will maintain regular 209 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,520 elections and civilian supremacy over their military and this 210 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,200 kind of stuff. They want to be friends with the 211 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,560 USA. They're going to have to do it 212 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:19,880 the American way. But nothing. 213 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,160 We're going to drop that whole military alliance thing. 214 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:23,960 And they knew that. They were just lying. 215 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,200 They were telling Gorbachev what he needed to hear for him to get 216 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,360 out of the way. And that was how this whole 217 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,680 odyssey starts, essentially, with the Americans playing 218 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,160 dishonestly at the end of the last Cold War. 219 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,880 So I believe it was either Gorbachev or Yeltsin who 220 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,080 publicly comes out and says Russia hereby withdrawals from 221 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,440 the Warsaw Pact and we are now, he didn't say this, but it's now 222 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,320 referred to as the unipolar moment. 223 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,520 What do we need to know about the unipolar moment and Dick 224 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,560 Cheney's defense strategy for the 1990s? 225 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,880 OK, so take yourself back to this situation. 226 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,320 Put yourself in Washington DC at this time. 227 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,720 It had been as I learned in school as a boy was a bipolar 228 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:15,000 world and that meant that there was Washington, Moscow and 229 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,680 everybody else and there was sort of a non aligned movement 230 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:21,560 in the third world. But essentially you were with, 231 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,440 if you for powerful nation states, they were more or less 232 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,080 aligned with Moscow or aligned with the US. 233 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,560 China flipped from 1:00 to the other right. 234 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:36,280 That was the way it is. So then, you know, China, it was 235 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,440 Nixon that that won China over in the early 1970s. 236 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,960 So when the Soviet Union fell apart in 1989, there's nobody 237 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,840 left to oppose the United States of America. 238 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,440 Now, if Ron Paul had his way and Secretary of State, you know, 239 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,680 President Paul and Secretary of State Pat Buchanan, what they 240 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:55,760 would have done is they would have brought all of our forces 241 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,520 home. And we said, listen. 242 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,440 And and this is absolutely Buchanan's line. 243 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,520 Ron was already a non interventionist anyway. 244 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,640 But Buchanan's line absolutely was. 245 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,160 OK, Well, that's that. We took care of them commies. 246 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,760 The commies are gone now. Let's come home. 247 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,280 He wrote a book called The Republic, Not an Empire. 248 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:17,880 And because, as he recognized as Garrett, Garrett said that one 249 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:22,560 must forbid the other or it will destroy the other you. 250 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,280 Cannot have it both ways, it's as simple as that. 251 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,400 And Pat said it's supposed to be a constitutional Republic, so we 252 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,240 should abandoned the Empire and come home. 253 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,080 The British and the Germans and the French and the Russians can 254 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,680 figure out their deal. They can do it without 255 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,200 communism. They can work it out. 256 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,800 China, Japan, Korea, they can work it out. 257 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,320 Hell. We can host a conference and 258 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,320 help them work it out, but let's bring our forces home. 259 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:51,040 We do not need to remain out there dominating the planet like 260 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,360 this. And then there was the War 261 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,320 Party. Which is just all the connected 262 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:01,200 special interests who said no, actually, in fact, look, some of 263 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,920 them were just ideological. Some of them had ulterior 264 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:09,640 motives like money or Israel. But a lot of them, I mean, 265 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,600 you've lived here your whole life, You know it. 266 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,800 People believe out here in the country too. 267 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,200 And in DC, America is Superman. And not just Superman, but 268 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,000 Christopher Reeve's Superman, right? 269 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,760 Like complete virginal, innocent Jesus figure that at a great 270 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,600 cost to itself goes around helping people. 271 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,040 You know, like that's it. You want us to stop doing that? 272 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,520 Robert Kagan and Bill Kristol wrote a piece for Foreign 273 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:41,040 Affairs called Toward a Neo Reaganite Foreign Policy in 1996 274 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,760 where they said that we need this policy of benevolent global 275 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:49,040 hegemony. And Robert Kagan said John 276 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:53,480 Quincy Adams said that America goes not abroad in search of 277 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,040 monsters to destroy. But why not We're the greatest 278 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,560 monster killer machine in the world, man. 279 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,880 That's exactly what we're supposed to do is go out there 280 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,360 and kill them bad guys. And but of course, as I'm 281 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,840 ruining the book for you now the Kagans are the bad guys and 282 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,520 building and this world empire and he's one of the major 283 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,560 co-authors of Iraq War 2 happens to be spouse is one of the major 284 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,000 ringleaders of American Eastern European. 285 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,720 Policy over the last decades, since the W Bush years, since 286 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,040 the Clinton years. She worked for Strobe. 287 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:30,000 Talbot in the Clinton years, you know, they wrecked everything in 288 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,440 the name of holding the world down and keeping everything from 289 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,440 getting out of control. And they do think that what 290 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,680 they're doing is right, most of them, A lot of. 291 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,960 Them, you know, have ulterior motives and like making money 292 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,600 and this and that. But you know, Charles 293 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,600 Krauthammer, for example, is a dyed in the wool 294 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,040 neoconservative, you know, Cold War Democrat turned Reaganite 295 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,160 type right for the Washington Post. 296 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,120 Just said he's the one who coined the phrase unipolar 297 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,160 moment in the foreign affairs. He's the one who said absolutely 298 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,960 unashamedly, I say we stop at nothing less than universal 299 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,079 domination. And then as later. 300 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:13,480 Paul Wolfowitz and really his men, Salmi Khalilzad and Scooter 301 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,079 Libby wrote in the defense planning guidance that they 302 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:21,760 wrote in 92 at the end of a rock War, One in preparation for, you 303 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,440 know, the the coming decade and the end of the Millennium or 304 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,440 the, yeah, the end of the Millennium dawn of the new one. 305 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:34,320 That America would remain the dominant force in the Middle 306 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:39,600 East, Europe and Asia and would allow no near peer competitor to 307 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:44,200 really even consider a challenge to us, to even build up enough 308 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,360 to try to challenge us not only any foreign power, but any 309 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:50,240 regional grouping of foreign powers. 310 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,160 China, Japan and Korea think that they can gang up on us. 311 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,960 We'll, we'll stop that too. Like that would ever happen. 312 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,720 But anyway, that was the point was America will be the middle 313 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,800 part of North America, will be the dominant force in the Middle 314 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:09,680 East, Europe and Asia from now on in order to prevent things 315 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,800 from getting too hairy out there. 316 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,080 And that's basically the deal, as Joe Biden says it, as they 317 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,240 all say it, as you've heard a million times, if not us, who? 318 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,320 If it wasn't us, it'd be China, which of course, is stupid, 319 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,480 right? China can't afford it and really 320 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,360 think about it. And Chairman XI has been looking 321 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,440 at George W Bush and Barack Obama and Donald Trump. 322 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,280 And you know, Joe Biden this era and saying, yeah, that's what 323 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,560 China should do is blow our own damn brains out, killing a few 324 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,840 million people around the world, making the world hate us and 325 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,800 accomplishing absolutely nothing for it. 326 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,440 But the Israel lobby take over our government, kill their 327 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,280 Shiite allies, our enemies for them. 328 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,400 Former allies. I mean, of course it's 329 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,000 ridiculous. No one else can afford it and we 330 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,760 can't afford it either. The national debt is, you know, 331 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,280 36 trillion. I, I was kicking myself right 332 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,200 after I published the book. Like the day I published it, 333 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,640 just a few hours later, I saw a new story. 334 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,440 No, it's not 35. It's kicked over to 36 trillion 335 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:10,360 now. Dope, man. 336 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:16,440 I just hit go on that thing. And so we can't afford it and 337 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,280 neither can anybody else afford to be the global Hedgeman. 338 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,200 But the idea is that this is the right thing to do. 339 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,160 And of course that they don't want to have to get real jobs. 340 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,160 And the military industrial complex is a very real thing. 341 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,560 In fact, nowadays they call it the defense industrial base. 342 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,880 And you're supposed to like it. It's one of the major selling 343 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,480 points. You can see all the think tanks 344 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,120 and focus groups and whoever they came up with this and 345 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:41,240 they've said it. So many of the major players 346 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,840 have said this about the war in Ukraine. 347 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,760 But that money's going to our congressional districts. 348 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,840 That money's going back to our home states. 349 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,720 Joe Biden have a quote of Joe Biden in the book. 350 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,200 Boy, these things are made in the USA. 351 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,960 We're getting the bombs from here and the artillery tubes 352 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,600 from there and the fighter jets from here and the tanks from 353 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,640 there. You know, citing American cities 354 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,400 and States and about, you know, essentially Keynesian economic 355 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,240 theory. But we're all the stimulus is in 356 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,200 the form of military spending. Which is just completely crazy 357 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,240 because none of it is good for distributing goods and services 358 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,600 to customers at all. All of it is just taking wealth 359 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,960 and destroying it, which is how you can have a former communist 360 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,680 society, former communist economy, but still, you know, 361 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:33,760 commie one party dictatorship in China in just 30 years have 362 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,320 these build these giant megalopolises that just put 363 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,640 American cities to shame in so many ways because our government 364 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,360 has blown, as I calculated in the book, approximately $17 365 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:48,640 trillion on militarism since the end of the cold. 366 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,840 War and that doesn't include the care and feeding of the veterans 367 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,560 and their families, which is other trillions and trillions. 368 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,920 On top of that, all that is money that got pissed away on 369 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,920 killing people when it should have been improving the standard 370 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,360 of living for the American people and helping us set an 371 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:09,080 example for the rest of the world of what freedom is really 372 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,880 supposed to look like. And. 373 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,480 As everyone listening to this is well aware, nobody stands by 374 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,600 Rock War 2 anymore. Remember when that was the 375 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,200 biggest deal in the whole world and it was so important that you 376 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,160 stood by it? And if your neighbor didn't, 377 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,040 you're supposed to call him a traitor In America hating Saddam 378 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,600 Hussein loving terrorist pinko kami homo traitor. 379 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,760 And yet now no one. Believes in a rock War 2 Do 380 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,480 they? No, 'cause we had to fight Iraq 381 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,040 War three against the consequences of Iraq War Two. 382 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,160 Since then, jeez, the whole Middle East is a wreck. 383 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,400 Iran and the Ayatollah and bin Laden won that war, right? 384 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,360 Even the Israelis didn't really make out. 385 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:47,320 They're getting a discount on Kurdish gas, but they also put 386 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,400 Iran's best friends in power in Baghdad. 387 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,520 That's not what they wanted. And so the whole thing has been 388 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,520 a complete disaster. Everybody knows that. 389 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,840 And there's no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt on 390 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,240 any of the rest of this policy either. 391 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,880 I got people on my Twitter going, no, Russia did the thing. 392 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,920 Yeah, Russia did the thing. But what do you think is the 393 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,480 context here? It's like saying, oh, my God, 394 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,160 Iran and Iraq are in a war right now. 395 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,000 I bet America has zero to do with that right. 396 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,920 It's not like the Iranians are fighting with an American built 397 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,080 military and Air Force and everything. 398 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:24,360 It's like Saddam Hussein is fighting on a green light and a 399 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:26,480 bag full of money from Jimmy Carter. 400 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,440 It's not like the revolution in Iran wasn't a direct consequence 401 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:37,280 of our coup 26 years before. It's not like the Iran Iraq war 402 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,440 had anything but to do with the United States of America. 403 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,200 No, but didn't you hear? Iraq attacked Iran? 404 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,560 Yeah, I know, dude. But also it was all because of 405 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,880 Ike Eisenhower and Jimmy Carter and their men and Nixon. 406 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,440 Same thing here. The American Empire inherited 407 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,120 the world, right? We got after World War 2, we 408 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,680 inherited all of the European empires, plus Japan's. 409 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,080 And then after the Cold War, we even got the Soviets empire in 410 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:14,400 Eastern Europe and working on it in Central and, and East Asia 411 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,440 and, and you know, far Eastern Europe and Central Asia in the, 412 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,120 in the Caucasus region. And all of this, as the Russians 413 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,240 say over and over again, you got to surround it. 414 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:31,480 I mean, you think about Poland, American bases in Poland, that's 415 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,880 not really surrounding Russia, but then you look and you go, 416 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,480 oh, I get it. You got troops in the Baltics 417 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,560 talking about bringing Ukraine into NATO. 418 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,600 Think about the map of Russia's western border. 419 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,440 It Ukraine sticks in there very far right, that Donbass used to 420 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,640 be part of Russia, that whole part. 421 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,640 And even then it wouldn't be a straight line down. 422 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,960 Harkiv is essentially what, 3-4 hundred miles due South of 423 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,200 Moscow? Or almost due South of Moscow. 424 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,760 And then we don't have bases in the caucuses, but building up 425 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,600 allies in the caucuses and terrorist groups and then of 426 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,200 course with our long time occupation of Afghanistan and 427 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,560 and then Korea and the Far East. Made real sense for them to say. 428 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,440 Made real sense, Keith, for them to say, hey man, we overthrew 429 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,080 the commies for you. We broke our empire up into 430 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,560 fifteen countries, and yet you still are just hell bent on 431 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,360 absolutely surrounding us. And how are we supposed to take 432 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,080 this as anything but a hostile threat? 433 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,040 And Putin pretended to not see it for a long time. 434 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,040 He would say, listen, we believe you that you love us to death 435 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,920 and mean us no harm. However, we can't just make our 436 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,080 policies based on promises. In fact, you're ringing our 437 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,720 nation with anti missile missiles. 438 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,440 So we have to build more missiles to overwhelm your 439 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,760 missiles because you guys understand the economics of 440 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,280 nuclear missiles. What am I supposed to do man? 441 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,720 And so here we are. In 1992, President Clinton is 442 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,680 elected. What are the provocations that 443 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,560 took place under President Clinton? 444 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,320 Well, the biggest thing is NATO expansion. 445 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,640 Secondly would be the shock therapy economic policy. 446 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:18,840 And then thirdly, the Balkan wars. 447 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,360 That's all the worst of it. You know, when NATO expansion 448 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,440 again, they were lying. They promised Yeltsin we're 449 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,440 going to do this partnership for peace instead of NATO expansion 450 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,280 and got his enthusiastic support and, you know, let that stand, 451 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,640 let other countries make their decisions based on the fact that 452 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,920 Russia's for it. Everything's cool. 453 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,320 And then including helping to convince Ukraine to give up the 454 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,440 Soviet nukes that had been left behind. 455 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,480 Not that they could have really made use of them anyway. 456 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,160 And then they go, ah, Psych. Nah, what we're really going to 457 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,040 do is the partnership of peace and all that. 458 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,960 We're just jerking you chain. What we're really going to do is 459 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,920 we're going to expand NATO and there's nothing you can do about 460 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:02,960 it, right? So what are you going to do 461 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,200 about it? And then that was it and. 462 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,480 Where did they expend NATO? To which countries under 463 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,480 Clinton? The first round was Poland, 464 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,040 Hungary and the Czech Republic, and but they let the others know 465 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,600 when they began the process of the membership action plans for 466 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,680 the Baltic States and guess the first of the Balkans or 467 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,960 whatever, maybe Romanian. Bulgaria. 468 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,960 No, I already said Romanian. No. 469 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,080 Romanian. Yeah, yeah. 470 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,200 But Bulgaria and then some of the other, I guess Balkan states 471 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,760 were brought in in the third round under W Bush. 472 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,800 And then see, it's funny because the same week that they finished 473 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,400 the inauguration of NATO expansion in the spring of 1999, 474 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,160 it's like maybe it was like 2 weeks later they launched the 475 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,200 aggressive war against Serbia to break off Kosovo in support of 476 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,040 no international law whatsoever. In fact, in defiance of every 477 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,600 bit of it with no UN resolution because the the Russians would 478 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,440 have vetoed it, obviously, and based on no authorization from 479 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,280 the US Congress whatsoever. Bill Clinton just launched a war 480 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,800 and. The whole time they're saying to 481 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,560 the Russians, look, we're expanding NATO, but it's a 482 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,560 purely defensive alliance, so don't be such a baby about it. 483 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,560 It's not that big of a deal. As soon as the ink is dry, they 484 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,960 launch a war and. As Doctor Paul warned at the 485 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,440 time, look at how they react to this. 486 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,560 In fact, right after Putin was, you know, took over power before 487 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,400 he was even elected, when Yeltsin handed it to him on New 488 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,800 Year's Eve, Ron Paul said, and you see what he did, first thing 489 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,560 he did was consolidate control of the over nuclear weapons back 490 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,120 under the control of the presidency. 491 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,080 And his government put out a statement saying that this is 492 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,360 their natural reaction to the launch of the war in Serbia and 493 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:01,960 proof that NATO is not just a defensive alliance. 494 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,920 And of course, then they went to Afghanistan in the name of 495 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,960 Article 5 in defending the United States. 496 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,280 But it wasn't the Taliban that attacked the United States. 497 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,000 That was a NATO mission that included, you know, virtually 498 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,360 all of the NATO countries and including some would be NATO 499 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:22,640 countries like Georgia for, you know, a good eleven years there, 500 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,160 eight years in Iraq War 2. I mean, I'm, I'm sorry, I'm, I'm 501 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,200 conflating Iraq War 2 Afghanistan for, for the whole 502 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,600 time from about, well, from like what, 2004? 503 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,440 I guess they really started bringing NATO in 2003 and four 504 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,000 and then through, you know, 21, the final defeat there. 505 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,560 And then of course, the aggressive war in Libya under 506 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,600 Barack Obama was another one showing that no, NATO in fact is 507 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,920 not a defensive alliance. It's an alliance. 508 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,440 It's America's military alliance. 509 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,880 But they'll do whatever they want and nobody can stop them. 510 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,160 And how do you like that? And of course, on Libya, they 511 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,440 did have AUN resolution. Not that I'm sitting here 512 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,680 simping for the UN, but I'm just saying that's the treaty that 513 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,880 everybody signed that said you're not. 514 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,920 Allowed to start a war unless you have aun resolution that 515 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,840 agrees, you know, the major power victors of World War 2 516 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,040 basically on the Security Council agree. 517 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,560 And they lied to the Russians and said, listen, we're just 518 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,240 doing a no fly zone over Benghazi because all of our 519 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,640 intelligence says that Gaddafi's going to kill every last man, 520 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,480 woman and child in that city, you know, 700,000 people or 521 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,400 something if we don't stop them, which is a ridiculous lie. 522 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,520 And the Russians said, OK, fine. And then as soon as they got 523 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,600 their UN resolution, they just escalated to full regime change 524 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,120 in Tripoli over a nine month air war, completely betraying the 525 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,240 new president Medvedev and humiliating him and leading 526 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,960 directly to Putin's return to the presidency in 2012 based on 527 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,640 his humiliating failure to veto that war. 528 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,440 So anyway, it's a little taste of, you know, what the NATO 529 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,800 alliance actually is compared to what they say on the shock 530 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,840 therapy. I mean, look, if it was you and 531 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,360 me, we would have sent Murray Rothbard and Lou Rockwell and 532 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,160 Ron Paul over there and. And they would have got it right 533 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,080 'cause they're our friends and we like them. 534 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,760 But what happened was George Bush and Bill Clinton sent 535 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,320 Harvard over there and they're capitalists, they're not 536 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,480 communists, they're not leftists, they're neo liberals. 537 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,600 They are center left. Free markets and democracy, as 538 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,720 Bill Clinton called it, meaning our current system, right, New 539 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:36,680 Deal, ISM, quasi free markets and quasi democracy and cronyism 540 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,440 and inflationary money and all of these things. 541 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,160 And so they sent those people over there. 542 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,360 So they were trying to do the right thing mostly, but they 543 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,520 just didn't know what they were doing. 544 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,680 And what they really needed was a strict rule of law protecting 545 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,960 property rights and contracts. And on top of that, they needed 546 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,000 fiscal restraint and hard money. And they got none of that. 547 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,880 And, you know, there are a lot of different guys involved, and 548 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,600 not all of it is any one of their faults or anything like 549 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,880 that. But essentially through 550 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,320 hyperinflation, through the voucher scam and the loans for 551 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,120 shares scam, they essentially turned the Russian economy 552 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,040 absolutely inside out. Now we're talking about a 553 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,960 communist economy. And I'm not like calling names. 554 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,600 I'm saying the national government in Moscow owned 555 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,800 everything, OK? It was literally a Marxist 556 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,760 Soviet commie union. You know, not just the political 557 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,920 flavor of it, but that was how the economy was run. 558 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,320 Everybody's a government employee. 559 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,640 All of the property is owned by the state, and so how were they 560 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,880 going to transfer from that to Rothbardian free market purity 561 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,280 and perfection? Well, it was going to be a hell 562 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,360 of a task, right? And they blew it. 563 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,760 Everybody involved blew it. And of course the Russians are 564 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,640 responsible for their part in it. 565 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,480 There's no point in playing down the Americans role 'cause they 566 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,320 accepted responsibility. For it, they bragged about it at 567 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,080 the time they were doing it and thought they were doing the 568 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,280 right thing and getting away with it. 569 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,040 And then they took responsibility for it after it 570 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,560 failed and said, boy, we really screwed that up. 571 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,440 So there's no point in saying that. 572 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,880 No, it was all the Russians fault, not the Americans. 573 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,880 The Americans, look, here's what I'm trying to say. 574 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,600 There was going to be some kind of deindustrialization, right? 575 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,000 The whole economy was a zombie economy. 576 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,400 A lot of those factories were going to not be able to survive. 577 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,360 In a free market context, right. So there was going to be some 578 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,800 level of deindustrialization, but what happened instead was 579 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,360 the absolute wholesale deal, deindustrialization of Russia, 580 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:55,080 the absolute hollowing out of the carcass of its economy so 581 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,960 that they just had virtually nothing to to build back up 582 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,880 from. They just the the gangsters who 583 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,520 are not businessmen. They didn't have any skills. 584 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,320 They didn't have any interest in building up the economy. 585 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,520 They essentially were taking property and then stripping it 586 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,560 and selling it off and selling, spending all the money on coke 587 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,440 and whores and expensive cars and having a good time 588 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,920 entertainment for themselves at the expense of the their own 589 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,960 society that they ruthlessly exploited. 590 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,960 And then those companies were all just driven into the ground 591 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,040 and this led to an excess death count of something like 5 to 6 592 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,920 million people. Something like would happen in 593 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,640 the absolute worst war time. A collapse in GDP equivalent or 594 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,000 worse than even when Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union 595 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,280 in terms of percentage of gross domestic product. 596 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,880 It was a absolute catastrophe. And really there are a few 597 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,880 studies out there that I didn't really get a chance to delve 598 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,960 into this too, too much because it was just too far afield from 599 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,000 my book. Although I really, it is an 600 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,480 omission that I don't really cover how shock therapy took 601 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,440 place in Ukraine. I kind of allude to it a little 602 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,280 bit, but there are a bunch of studies out out there, JSTOR and 603 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,320 everything about how this is true kind of for all of commie 604 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,160 Eastern Europe. So after all, Western Europe was 605 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,159 in charge and they didn't want a bunch of competition. 606 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:13,239 They weren't acting in angelic public spiritedness of welcome 607 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,920 to the to the West, welcome to capitalism and free markets in 608 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,840 the new. World, they're just threatened 609 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,600 by cheaper labor. They're just threatened by, you 610 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,600 know, cheaper natural resources and cheaper labor in the East 611 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,760 undermining their stuff. So they all just want to be 612 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,400 protectionist. They don't want to help these 613 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,560 people up. They want to keep them down. 614 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,560 And the Americans too, and Jeffrey Sachs and many of these 615 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,639 guys concluded that the reason that they couldn't get the help 616 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,920 that they wanted for the Russians was because the 617 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,199 Americans preferred to weaken Russia. 618 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,120 They preferred to hurt them. And The thing is about it too, 619 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,159 and I know you're too young for this, but I'm sure you I know 620 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:54,000 you've heard of it, but I was raised on this man that and see, 621 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,320 they would never admit that it's all Woodrow Wilson's fault, 622 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,040 Keith and said that they don't blame Wilson, they blame the 623 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,640 Senate. They blame Henry Cabot Lodge and 624 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,480 the Senate for refusing to ratify the League of Nations 625 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,080 treaty. It's not Woodrow Wilson's fault 626 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,760 for getting us into World War One. 627 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,080 It's the Senate's fault for not ratifying the creation of the 628 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,120 League of Nations. Because if he had, then America 629 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,440 would have been the dominant power in Europe already and we 630 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:25,040 would have not let France and Britain inflict such harsh terms 631 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,720 on the Germans as written in the Versailles Treaty. 632 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,280 We need to soften that. And that would have not been 633 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,520 allowed to create the circumstances for the rise of 634 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,520 Nazi Germany because as John Maynard Keynes predicted in 635 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,200 advance and so many others predicted in advance that. 636 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,200 World War One was going to cause World War 2. 637 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,680 That, and especially that American intervention was going 638 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,920 to cause the next war 20 years from now. 639 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,120 And everybody knew it was just undeniable. 640 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,320 My 7th grade government school teacher said France and Britain, 641 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,600 it's true, France and Britain inflicted these absolutely 642 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,720 horrific terms on the Germans. I think they might have omitted 643 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,440 the blockade that they kept for more than a year after the war. 644 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,480 Maybe it was two years after the war. 645 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,440 It's horrific the way they treated Germany. 646 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,080 And so when the question is, how could the people of Germany, the 647 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,480 place where all that great stuff came from and whatever music and 648 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,240 art and culture and whatever, Christendom, how could they have 649 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:27,440 turned to Hitlerism? And the answer is if you that's 650 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,280 why, right? Like, that's why revenge. 651 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,160 And he promised to make up for what had happened to them at the 652 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,760 end of the war, to get their territories back, to give them 653 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,680 their dignity back after they've been completely screwed. 654 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,760 And so then, Keith America learned that lesson at the end 655 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,280 of World War 2. Again, I'm telling you my 656 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,600 elementary and junior high civics education here. 657 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,000 OK, this is. What we all? 658 00:36:54,240 --> 00:37:00,480 Knew as a society as of late 20th century America OK post war 659 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,960 America was we're better and smarter than those stupid Brits 660 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,240 in French and instead of putting our heel on the German and 661 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,960 Japanese neck after the war. We helped them up and we rebuilt 662 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,520 them and we made them our friends. 663 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,520 Now they're our friends and that shows that why we should be the 664 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,320 stewards of the world instead of them because we're so much 665 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,080 better at it. And so those are the lessons of 666 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,800 Versailles. Don't do that to people, man. 667 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,520 You beat a guy, be a good sport about it or you're going to have 668 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,600 blowback, right? That's it. 669 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,400 So then what they do, the Bush administration and the Clinton 670 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,360 administration, that's Bush senior and Clinton, they said 671 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,000 that they go, we got to heed the lessons of Versailles and then 672 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,120 they didn't. They said we got to be 673 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,240 magnanimous about this. And then they weren't and they 674 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,240 exploited them and they rubbed their face in it. 675 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,720 And Jeffrey Sachs and the rest of these guys say it was 676 00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:57,680 deliberate. And I have so many quotes 677 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,440 throughout the book of different people, especially in the 678 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,000 Clinton years, expressing the conventional wisdom that look at 679 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,360 the Russians don't like it. What are they going to do about 680 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,760 it? Does that sound like Christopher 681 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,840 Reeve's version, Boy Virgin, Boy Scout Superman to you? 682 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,920 What are they going to do about it? 683 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,440 No, that's bad guys talking. That's bad guys talking. 684 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,760 Well, come on, Russia's a pale shadow of what they were, and 685 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,760 they don't like it, and they react against what we do. 686 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,720 Well, we still got NATO. So if we pick a fight by 687 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,160 building up this alliance, at least we have our alliance to 688 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,640 fight with, to intimidate them with, to threaten them with. 689 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,720 Does that sound like a new world order, or that's just going back 690 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:44,480 to the 19th century? That's the Americans claiming 691 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:48,520 universalism and globalism and the rule of law when they're 692 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,240 doing nothing but act just like the damned British. 693 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,920 Yeah, there definitely seems to be a correlation between 694 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,760 countries that embrace more free markets and have a significant 695 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,000 increase in life expectancy, whether it's Britain, America, 696 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,760 Eastern Europe, Singapore, places in China, South Korea. 697 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,800 But that did not happen in Russia. 698 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,880 And when you read those quotes that you mentioned on top of it, 699 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,320 it certainly seemed like a deliberate plan to actively 700 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,880 weaken Russia. As the defense planning guidance 701 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,920 mentions, they can't tolerate a single competitor in the world 702 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,640 when it comes to. I skip this, but it's in the 703 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,360 book. I got a whole section on Bosnia. 704 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,440 Bush senior started it. Bill Clinton also made it worse 705 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,640 and is horrible, and so that's in there too. 706 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:41,440 And the case of Kosovo, is that the one where I actually don't? 707 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,520 I'm not as familiar with this as I should be when it comes to 708 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,560 Milosevic. Was the bad guy who Clinton was 709 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,960 stopping from engaging in genocide? 710 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,720 Was that in Kosovo? Well, that was what they 711 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:58,160 claimed, yeah, but it wasn't. True that that was the claim. 712 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,280 OK, when it comes. To. 713 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,040 Purely in a civil war. So they claimed by their 714 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,840 interpretation of the law, and I, I go through all of this, by 715 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,160 their interpretation of the law, Bosnia had every right to 716 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,160 secede. And so at that time, then at 717 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,120 that point, if Serbia, and this is debatable and whatever, but 718 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,760 if Serbia is fighting a war in Bosnia, they could at least sort 719 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,240 of pretend that that is a war between sovereigns, not a civil 720 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,240 war after the secession, which they recognized. 721 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,840 OK. But Kosovo was always part of 722 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,480 Serbia, and it was dominated by ethnic Albanians. 723 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,040 And there was a huge, you know, potential conflict there. 724 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,720 But America, the Americans and their allies, of course, made it 725 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:51,320 worse and worse and, you know, took the side of by far the 726 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,160 worst guys in the civil war and set again this precedent that 727 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,080 the president can just do whatever he wants. 728 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,600 You know, when Barack Obama started the war in Libya, he 729 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,400 just gave us a short statement. While he was on another on a 730 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,080 trip to Brazil, he didn't come home and sit down in the Oval 731 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,200 Office and go, my fellow Americans, here's why I just 732 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,320 started a war without Congress and do whatever I want. 733 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,160 He's just like giving a press conference like, oh, by the way, 734 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,800 I hereby start a war against Libya. 735 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,320 That was. The precedent set by Bill 736 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,240 Clinton in Kosovo that I can intervene in a civil war on no 737 00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:30,880 authority from anyone anywhere whatsoever. 738 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,280 And nobody stopped him, nobody impeached him and removed him 739 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,680 from office for that. They had just finished 740 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,400 impeaching him over BS, so they had no political capital for 741 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,320 that. And the Congress was run by Newt 742 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,640 Gingrich and Trent Lott, who might as well have been Hillary 743 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,680 Clinton anyway, so. Yeah, it's amazing that the fact 744 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,600 that there's a civil war, they justify engaging in intervention 745 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,400 as though they don't constantly celebrate the civil war that 746 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,720 Americans had as the greatest triumph of good over evil in our 747 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,560 history, constantly saying, well, we had to intervene 748 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:09,360 against Bashar al-Assad in his civil war by the. 749 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,680 Way, you know when they started the war in Yemen again, Barack 750 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,080 Obama started that war with much less a declaration war and no 751 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,160 authorization from Congress whatsoever, and he didn't even 752 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,280 announce it. You know who announced America 753 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,960 started when America in 20 March 2015 when Barack Obama declared 754 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:31,080 war on Yemen? Bernadette Meehan, the 755 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,840 spokeswoman for the US State Department, issued a paper press 756 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,000 release. So by the way, the US is bombing 757 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,080 Yemen for the next 10 years. We're going to kill half a 758 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,600 million people minimum. When it comes to Bush Senior 759 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,920 expanding NATO into Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, 760 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,480 Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia, we have more NATO expansion. 761 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,320 When it comes to the treaties, what other provocations, as far 762 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,480 as treaties go, did George Bush Junior get the US out of? 763 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,080 Well, the big one is the Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty, which 764 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,320 had been initially signed. I forget when it was ratified. 765 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,920 It had originally been negotiated and signed by Richard 766 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,160 Nixon. Instead we're limited to I think 767 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,200 two or three anti ballistic missile sites because as it says 768 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,120 right in the thing with an eye toward limiting the arms race. 769 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,880 You know, you can say it's perfectly fine to have a 770 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,160 defensive anti missile system, but you have to understand the 771 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,560 other side is just going to make more missiles and you can make 772 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,880 your anti missile systems more and more effective. 773 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,080 And then they can build even more missiles than that. 774 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,600 And we can keep going forever until it's, you know, like Itchy 775 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,560 and Scratchy with the two gigantic guns the size of the 776 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,880 planet Earth, you know, blowing each other away. 777 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,440 There's essentially no limit on it. 778 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,240 So they said let's put a limit on it. 779 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,640 Let's not attempt to build up the ability to shoot down each 780 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,840 other's incoming nukes so that we'll just stop making more and 781 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:00,920 more. At that point they already had 782 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,200 10s of thousands each, enough to kill the whole planet over and 783 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,800 over again. Life on the planet over and over 784 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:14,680 again and so well, So what? What do you think happened W 785 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,680 Bush tore up the treaty and the Russians started making more 786 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,800 missiles. Bush put he started this. 787 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:26,520 They only I just saw they just activated one of these Aegis 788 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,600 onshore systems in Poland the other day. 789 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,800 Dude, after all this time, God, what a boondock. 790 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,880 The whole thing is such a RIP off, Keith. 791 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,440 And then The thing is they put these Sparrow interceptor 792 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,680 missiles in Romania, Poland, and then the radars and the Czech 793 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,200 Republic, and they say this is to protect Europe. 794 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,360 Particularly Poland for some reason from Iran that doesn't 795 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,200 have missiles that can reach Central Europe and isn't making 796 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,880 them and doesn't have nuclear weapons and isn't making them. 797 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,600 And So what are we even talking about here? 798 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,400 It is completely unbelievable. When Bush said it. 799 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,360 I swear man I I I searched so high and low and I asked friends 800 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,960 to help me and I asked this stupid AI chat ball on my phone 801 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,240 to help me find. I could never find it but I 802 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:17,480 swear to God this is true. Dude, I remember this Bush was 803 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,800 at some G8 meeting or something and he goes, well, the missile 804 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,640 system's for Iran and the whole room busted up laughing because 805 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,760 it's just so stupid. What are you talking about? 806 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,440 I can never find that. Like I know somebody had blogged 807 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,960 about it at the time or something. 808 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,320 It had been, it was around back at the time, but link rot just 809 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:41,120 murdered it off the Internet. But I remember when it but when 810 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,800 Obama said it, they were all like, oh, yes, that sounds very 811 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,800 important that we shoot down Iranian missiles. 812 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,400 But then so here's the controversy, Keith. 813 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,760 OK, the Russians say, look, we're afraid that you're trying 814 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,840 to shoot down our missiles, which means we got to make more 815 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,040 missiles. And W Bush says don't be silly. 816 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,000 This is for Iran and it's proof of that. 817 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,280 Can't you see that we don't have enough anti missile missiles to 818 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,120 shoot down a salvo from Russia? You guys could nuke Europe off 819 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,320 the face of the Earth with thousands of bombs, certainly 820 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,480 high hundreds of bombs. We have nothing like the 821 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,600 capability to shoot all that down with these rockets. 822 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,960 OK. So that can't be what they're 823 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,400 for. So Putin and Lavrov, they go 824 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,720 well, huh. Actually, you know, that makes 825 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,240 sense. I think Medvedev had said this 826 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,000 as well. That's actually a compelling 827 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,160 argument. Mr. Bush said OK, but so then 828 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:35,080 maybe it's the fact that those are dual use launchers that can 829 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,480 fit Tomahawk cruise missiles that can be fitted right now 830 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,720 under the old treaty that Trump tore up, the INF Treaty. 831 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,360 We do not tip our Tomahawk missiles with H bombs, but we 832 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,840 can. And the Mark 41 is MK41 missile 833 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,360 launchers, Aegis onshore missile launchers that are used to hold 834 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,520 those Sparrow anti missile missiles. 835 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,720 Can also fit Tomahawk cruise missiles that have a very short 836 00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:07,720 flight time to Moscow and pose a very credible threat. 837 00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:09,680 And So what do they do? They immediately move their 838 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:15,600 nukes, or at least nuke capable missile systems into Kaliningrad 839 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,640 and into Belarus. Like, well, what are we going to 840 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,800 do? We got to target your missiles 841 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,800 with our missiles. Now the whole thing is a giant 842 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,480 escalation and it achieves nothing. 843 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,840 And George Bush, by tearing up that treaty, essentially, he 844 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,240 wasn't just. Helping to really, you know, 845 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:36,440 inflict a major wound in America's relationship with 846 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,720 Russia. He really was betraying all of 847 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:42,320 mankind with that. You know, that's treason against 848 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,360 just humanity itself. The enemy is the fusion bombs. 849 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,280 Not the Russians. It's our fusion bombs too. 850 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,600 That's the enemy. That who has, that's who has to 851 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,640 be kept at Bay forever, is atomic and thermonuclear 852 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,560 weapons. We cannot have these used, and 853 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,000 what Bush did was increase the likelihood of their use. 854 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,240 Period. Which makes him, well, tied for 855 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:14,760 worst person of, you know, since the Second World War at least. 856 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,160 I'm sure Barry Weiss would like to give him a run for his money 857 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,280 when it comes to NATO expansion in general. 858 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,440 What is the problem with NATO expansion? 859 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,320 OK, I'm sorry you've you've gotten into that. 860 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,120 You mentioned NATO is also an offensive alliance. 861 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,160 Who were the voices at the time saying NATO should not expand? 862 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,760 Just a bunch of hippies from Woodstock. 863 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,400 Who were the big voices saying look out, there are downsides to 864 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,240 expanding NATO? Well, first of all, our good. 865 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:47,760 Friends like Ron Paul, Ted Galen Carpenter, Pat Buchanan and all 866 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,920 these great libertarians and paleo conservatives were the our 867 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,920 friends and great on it. There were endless numbers of 868 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,600 liberals and leftists and progressives who knows how to 869 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,080 categorize them all. If I, I can probably like ask 870 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,000 somebody, maybe Gareth Porter could like give me a good list 871 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,640 of everybody who also was determined to not go this way. 872 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,640 But importantly for your point that you're getting to is that 873 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:19,720 2/3 the supermajority of the Council on Foreign Relations was 874 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:22,400 opposed to NATO expansion in the 90's. 875 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,440 The grayest of Gray beards. Not all of them, but many of 876 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,360 them. Including people like George 877 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,120 Kennan and even Brent Scowcroft, who was George Bush senior's 878 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,760 best friend and co-author is national, pardon me, is national 879 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,880 security advisor, co-author of his memoirs Together. 880 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,240 The guy that wrote in the Wall Street Journal in October of 881 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:48,720 2002, don't attack Saddam, which was a message from the father to 882 00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,520 the boy in the Wall Street Journal. 883 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:57,480 That guy, you know, Bush seniors man, right? 884 00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:59,600 He said we should not be doing this. 885 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,480 This is such a provocation. It's going to drive the Russians 886 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,840 nuts. They're going to react. 887 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,240 We're going to have a bad problem with this. 888 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,560 George Kennan, who had penned the so-called Long telegram. 889 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,320 And then the foreign affairs version is called On the Sources 890 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,200 of Soviet Conduct by X, which anybody can read from 1947 at 891 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,600 Foreign Affairs. And you can. 892 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,640 Read the long Telegram is easy to find as well. 893 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,320 And this defined the policy of containment during the Cold War. 894 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,920 He's the father of the Cold War and he said no, we should not be 895 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,760 doing this. We won. 896 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,760 These are the men who overthrew the communists for us. 897 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,160 Why are we going to rub their face? 898 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,880 In it. And look, man, I got a show in 899 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,120 there. Dwight Eisenhower's 900 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,840 granddaughter Susan wrote a letter and had it was a group 901 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,800 letter and it was signed by scores, man, like, I don't know, 902 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,960 50 or something. Admirals, generals, diplomats, 903 00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,960 cold warriors saying, OK, we did it, we won. 904 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,800 Let's not be bad sports about this and ruin what we've 905 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,960 achieved. By turning our new Russian 906 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,840 friends into our enemies. By refusing to relinquish our 907 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,720 former policy. But as I'm sure you already 908 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:22,200 know, and as your audience would and could suspect, the worst of 909 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,680 the Rockefeller men, Kissinger and Brzezinski, the most 910 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:31,040 powerful of the CFR men, who were, you know, in this absurd, 911 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,680 it was Nelson Rockefeller's man. Kissinger is the foreign policy 912 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,560 guy for Nixon and Ford, and then Ford's replaced with Jimmy 913 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,800 Carter and and he's got David Rockefeller's man, Sabinia 914 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,800 Brzezinski. So it's all the same shit 915 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,480 anyway. So that's who. 916 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,880 These two guys are, and they said, and people can read all 917 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,680 about that in Barry Goldwater's memoirs with no apologies. 918 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,200 He's got a great chapter called Jimmy. 919 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,080 Who? What the hell is going on here? 920 00:51:53,080 --> 00:52:00,160 With this anyway, once I get to talking about Gary Barry 921 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,080 Goldwater. So you said George Kennan, Pat 922 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:09,640 Buchanan, and 2/3 of the CFR. 2/3 of the CFR all kinds of all 923 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,240 and Susan Eisenhower and all. Kinds of generals and Admirals 924 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:17,080 and everyone but Burzynski and Kissinger led the charge. 925 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,680 And there were great many interested parties on the 926 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,400 intellectual level as well who wanted to do it. 927 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,280 But it was really the special interests that put them over the 928 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,000 top. It was the the military 929 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,960 industrial complex led by Lockheed Martin's Bruce Jackson 930 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:38,520 that created the Committee on NATO Expansion and in alliance 931 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,040 with the Democratic Party political consultants who said 932 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,600 this would be a great way to win Polish votes in Illinois and 933 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,840 Pennsylvania. And which was true that, you 934 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,520 know, a lot of these Eastern European countries wanted very 935 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,760 much to be brought under America's security umbrella to 936 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,960 protect them from Russia. And they have huge diaspora 937 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,080 populations here in the United States who immediately lobbied 938 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,480 for that. The Polish American lobby 939 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,240 especially was very influential and very well financed and 940 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,640 coordinated. They targeted the most important 941 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,880 Polish American businessmen and, and like essentially coerce them 942 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,760 to getting on board for the thing and all of this and really 943 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,320 use democracy against the rest of us in the country by by 944 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,760 pushing for the policy in that way and, and set us, you know, 945 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,760 under this path and. When? 946 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,120 But it's important, though, right, that it's not just Ron 947 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,560 Paul, because Ron Paul's right about everything, and nobody 948 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:40,360 ever listens to him. So it's almost like, I hate to 949 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,480 say this, but you understand what I mean in context. 950 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,040 It's beside the point what he said. 951 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,680 They weren't going to listen to him anyway. 952 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,720 But here you got Admiral. What's his name with the four 953 00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:55,120 stars? Say no, man, what are we doing? 954 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,920 And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 955 00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,840 What do you know about it? And it's like, man, you have the 956 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,280 whole Foreign service had 2/3 of the State Department and you had 957 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,920 the the embassy in Moscow saying don't do this. 958 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,600 Yeah, what the hell do they know about it, Right, Keith? 959 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,080 You know, so it did not have to be this way. 960 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:22,320 It's a fact. And the specific, you mention a 961 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,320 number of specific worst case scenarios that William Burns 962 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,840 said could happen if NATO expanded. 963 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,640 Who was William Burns and what did he say could happen if NATO 964 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,480 continues to expand? Yeah. 965 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,120 So he was the he he was stationed at the embassy in the 966 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,720 1990's, the American Embassy in in Moscow in the 1990s and then 967 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,760 in the W Bush years, he was the ambassador there. 968 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,920 And he's the guy that wrote the famous and yet means and yet 969 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:56,560 memo to Condoleezza Rice in February of 2008, warning her 970 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,680 not to give a membership action plan to Georgia and Ukraine. 971 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,280 And not only that, he wrote a follow up memo. 972 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,560 And this is all thanks to Julian Assange that we know this stuff. 973 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,160 You can find it all at wikileaks.org. 974 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,200 And he also talks about it in his memoirs and quotes himself 975 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,200 from an e-mail that he wrote to her, urging her that, listen, I 976 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,360 understand the political difficulty in the position that 977 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,560 you're in here and all the incentives and pressures on you 978 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,200 and stuff. But you really should not be 979 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,360 doing this. And he says, if you don't 980 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,480 understand what I'm saying, you might as well just stop reading 981 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,480 now. You know what I mean? 982 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,280 Like, you can see where he's, like, throwing up his hands. 983 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,160 Madam Secretary, please, I know that there's all this, like, 984 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,520 office politics inside the White House. 985 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,480 George Bush wants this done, and he's your president, right? 986 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,920 But you got to stop him. You can't do it, man. 987 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,560 We can't do it. He's our current CIA director. 988 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,360 He's a guy who had the responsibility of stopping this 989 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,120 war. And you know, Biden picked him 990 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,960 because he wasn't a career intelligence guy. 991 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,240 He's a career diplomat. He knows Russia best. 992 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,960 And But Biden's marching orders to him were not. 993 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:12,120 Stop this war, Bill, unfortunately, but he's the one 994 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,080 who knew better all along. And he again, another just great 995 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,240 example of how this could have gone the other way, You know, I 996 00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:23,680 know it's different depending on, you know, what age you are. 997 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,840 I'm old enough now that when I was a kid in school and I was 998 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,320 learning about World War One, World War 2IN Korea, all that 999 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,280 stuff, and even Vietnam, but especially those 3. 1000 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,640 It's all black and white pictures and it's all a long 1001 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,680 time ago. And like the World War One 1002 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,640 people, they'd all been dead by now anyway. 1003 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,720 There are a few World War Two people left around, you know, 1004 00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:50,600 when I was young, but. This is all happened. 1005 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:54,600 I wasn't born until 76, right? All this happened, you know, 1006 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,920 World War 2 ended 30 years before I was born. 1007 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,520 So like, whatever man, right? It's all inevitable. 1008 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,360 That's the point. It happened. 1009 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,320 What are you worried about There's? 1010 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,280 There's nothing to argue about, there's nothing to consider. 1011 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,360 Really. This is the history of things 1012 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,760 that were decided. Whatever, right? 1013 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,160 So I understand that. Well, that's how like Iraq War 1014 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,160 One is going to feel or maybe even Iraq War 2 might feel to 1015 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,760 people today. Some of this just feels like, 1016 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,440 jeez, it was before I was interested. 1017 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,040 It's before I knew about the Bosnia war, the Kosovo. 1018 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,680 War. This is all this stuff that 1019 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,720 happened back in the 1900s, right? 1020 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,440 A long time ago, depending on your age. 1021 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,280 And so it all sounds so very inevitable. 1022 00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,440 But again, this is George Bush's right hand man, Condoleezza 1023 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,280 Rice's right hand man, William Burns telling her no, stop, 1024 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,960 don't come back. And they didn't. 1025 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,760 And why? Public choice theory. 1026 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,960 You could have written the line yourself, Keith, I know you. 1027 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,400 You know the economics of politics. 1028 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,760 This was a. Legacy building operation for 1029 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,400 George W Bush. Because it's big, get it? 1030 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,920 It's big and it's bold and it's something. 1031 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,560 And this is 2008. He's lame duck year. 1032 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,760 He's done. It's an election between some 1033 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,440 other guy and some other guy. He's on his way out. 1034 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:22,160 He completely botched the absolutely unforced error of 1035 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,960 Iraq War Two. He humiliated himself with his 1036 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,160 public announcement that well, I guess it'll be for other 1037 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,320 presidents to decide. How this war ends. 1038 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,040 And, and the guy threw the shoe at his head when he went to try 1039 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,280 to do his so-called victory tour in Baghdad. 1040 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,560 He's humiliated. I don't know if the shoe was 1041 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:45,360 before or after Bucharest, but anyway, this was to build Bush's 1042 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,440 legacy. This wasn't about us, the 1043 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,040 American people. It wasn't about Russia. 1044 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,960 It wasn't about Ukraine or Georgia. 1045 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,440 It was about George W Bush doing something important. 1046 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,360 And again, of course, completely. 1047 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,920 Botching it, getting it wrong and ruining everything for 1048 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,520 everyone else. He's absolutely it. 1049 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:09,040 Did Dick Cheney want George Bush to go to war with Russia in 1050 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,560 2008? Am I remembering this correctly? 1051 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,400 Yeah, afraid so. And I got a lot of multiple 1052 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,320 sources on that too. This is when America's allies, 1053 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,000 Shakashvili, who'd been installed in power in the Rose 1054 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,120 Revolution, the fake coup color-coded revolution of 2003, 1055 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:28,320 decided to launch a war to attempt to reabsorb the 1056 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:33,120 breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, starting 1057 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,000 with S Ossetia. The first thing he did was kill 1058 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,000 Russian peacekeepers who were there under a deal brokered by 1059 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,160 the EU and ratified by the UN Security Council, etcetera, 1060 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,360 Perfectly legitimate presence. They're not some occupying army 1061 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,960 or something. And first thing they did was, 1062 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,680 and then they bombed apartment complexes, killed hundreds of 1063 00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:55,200 people in their attack on Tishkin Valley and which is the 1064 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,480 capital of South Ossetia. And so the Russians came under 1065 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,280 the tunnel. It's called the Roki tunnel R 1066 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,360 OK. I Roki tunnel under the Caucasus 1067 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,080 Mountains and came to push the Georgians back out again. 1068 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:13,960 And when they were doing so, Dick Cheney and or his staff. 1069 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,280 It's reported different ways and I bring you different footnotes 1070 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,200 from the different claims here, but it was either Cheney or his 1071 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,560 staff. We don't know. 1072 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,320 I don't think we have names for who it might have been under him 1073 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,320 who was saying this. If it was, we'll see. 1074 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:30,760 Libby would have been gone by that point. 1075 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,400 Maybe it was Victoria, Newland, I don't know. 1076 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,800 But some say it was Cheney himself was proposing that 1077 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,440 America launch missile strikes on the Rokie tunnel and collapse 1078 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,120 the Rokie tunnel and kill the Russian soldiers coming through. 1079 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,040 You know, like launch a cruise missile down the, you know, set 1080 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,960 it off under the thing and blow him up and kill him. 1081 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,080 And the way the anecdote, I believe Barton Gellman's version 1082 01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:00,920 of it, was that Bush said, OK, who agrees with Vice, so we have 1083 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,440 to bomb the Russians. And then Hadley, who had been 1084 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,440 known as Cheney's spy in the first term, apparently, he was 1085 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,160 like Bush's bodyguard at that point. 1086 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,320 And Hadley had already gone around and made sure that 1087 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,600 everyone was going to keep their damn hand down when Cheney said 1088 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,880 that or when Bush said that. And so nobody agreed and the 1089 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,720 issue was allowed to go. But he's a heartbeat away and 1090 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,160 not his heartbeat. Bush's heartbeat. 1091 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,640 Cheney doesn't have a heartbeat and that guy could have been 1092 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,440 very easily. Bush could have tripped and 1093 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,680 fallen and broken his neck. He was dumb enough. 1094 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,720 He could have hurt himself bad enough that Dick Cheney could 1095 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,120 be. I don't know. 1096 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,040 I never bought the choked on a pretzel thing. 1097 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,760 I always thought that was like some weird like Freemason 1098 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,480 ceremony where his dad punched him in the eye. 1099 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,280 It was. Dad had been at the White House 1100 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,240 the day before that. How weird. 1101 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,080 The thing where they all have to get a black eye. 1102 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,960 Like what is this? Weird little cult you guys are 1103 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:51,560 in. Anyway. 1104 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,400 I never bought that pretzel thing. 1105 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,200 But anyway he could have. He is dumb enough he could have 1106 01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:01,640 choked on a Doctor Pepper to death and on a near beer and 1107 01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,000 then Cheney would have been the one to decide whether we fight 1108 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,480 Russia or not over Georgia. And listen, here's how 1109 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,400 unfamiliar and therefore completely, of course, 1110 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,600 unimportant former Soviet Georgia is to the American 1111 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,880 people. When you talk about it, you have 1112 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,480 to call it former Soviet Georgia. 1113 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,600 So people know that you're not talking about America's Georgia, 1114 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,680 the one that we care about. And if you told people it's over 1115 01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,160 there between the black and the Caspian Sea, they'd be like, I 1116 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,400 think I remember that from the last time I looked at a globe 25 1117 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,320 years ago, the Caspian Sea. I've heard of that. 1118 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,080 Isn't that in the middle of Asia somewhere? 1119 01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,680 Are you kidding me? Former Soviet Georgia. 1120 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,160 And when the war broke out in 2008, there were anecdotes like 1121 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,560 this. There were Americans who were 1122 01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,680 terrified because they know nothing about history. 1123 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,120 They know nothing about geography. 1124 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,720 They know nothing about context. They really thought, grown 1125 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,520 adults really thought, and I'm not making fun of them. 1126 01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:58,840 I'm just saying like, whatever, I don't know. 1127 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,280 It's true. People were really afraid that 1128 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,960 the Russians were landing troops in our Georgia between Florida 1129 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,640 and South Carolina, that they were killing our people, that we 1130 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,480 were going to have to go to war with Russia. 1131 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,360 And they were terrified out of their minds. 1132 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,440 They're calling their families, trying to get a hold of people. 1133 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:22,120 Is everyone OK? Because they can't imagine that. 1134 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,360 What the hell? If there's another Georgia over 1135 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,400 there in Central Asia, that probably belongs to Russia 1136 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,200 anyway, right? Doesn't it? 1137 01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,520 And if the Russians are invading it, then what the hell do I can. 1138 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,000 What does that have to do with me? 1139 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,200 You say the Russians are invading Georgia. 1140 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,000 You scare the hell out of me. I thought you were talking about 1141 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,760 my friends live in Atlanta, dude. 1142 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:40,080 Like what? Right. 1143 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:47,200 And and so yes, Americans are unforgivably ignorant, OK, but 1144 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:54,160 also the American empire was getting in trouble very far from 1145 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,560 home. They had no right to intervene. 1146 01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:01,240 In fact, I did a debate with a neo con F level neo con named 1147 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:06,240 Harvey Kushner at the University of Texas and he was talking 1148 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,480 about how. You know, yeah, we got to. 1149 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,880 No, America's not an empire. What's over there keeping the 1150 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,800 world safe? Like, you know, recently, didn't 1151 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,040 you hear about those Dang Ruskies invaded Georgia? 1152 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,560 And I'm like, I'm telling the kids at A&M I'm like, Oh yeah, 1153 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,560 no, America's not a world empire. 1154 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:26,480 We just have a border dispute with Russia 7000 miles east of 1155 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:31,360 Washington, DC in former Soviet Georgia in the Southern Caucasus 1156 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,680 mountains that none of you college educated kids could 1157 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,200 point out on a globe without labels. 1158 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,400 So. But no, Harvey's right. the US 1159 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,520 Navy is just there to help the world when there's an 1160 01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:48,080 earthquake, you know? President Obama in his book A 1161 01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,240 Promised Land mentions color revolutions in Kyrgyzstan, 1162 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,400 Georgia, and Ukraine. When he talks about Ukraine, I 1163 01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,120 believe he's referring to the 2004 What are Color Revolutions? 1164 01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,520 Color revolutions are just coup d'etats. 1165 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:07,960 American coup d'etats dressed up as popular uprisings and they 1166 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,880 have to take place in these what the Americans call semi 1167 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,160 democratic states. What would they know about semi 1168 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:17,200 democratic states, Keith? I don't know, but it's got to be 1169 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,160 a Democrat, a democracy enough that they have regular elections 1170 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,960 to dispute because that's the template is hey, our exit polls 1171 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:29,160 say that those. Ballot results are wrong and 1172 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,080 everyone has to accept our exit polls instead of your ballot 1173 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,880 results. You're definitely cheating and 1174 01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:35,280 we're not. And so. 1175 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,120 That's usually what happens is it's when they lose an election 1176 01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:45,080 and refuse to accept it. And then with 10s or hundreds of 1177 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,920 millions of dollars from the American National Endowment for 1178 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,560 Democracy, International Republican Institute, National 1179 01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:56,600 Democratic Institute, and a great many different George 1180 01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,560 Soros funded think tanks, they camp out. 1181 01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:04,280 They refuse to give up and this is often in very poor countries 1182 01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,320 where this is absolutely the best job that you could have 1183 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,440 would be being a professional protester outside. 1184 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:14,200 And so that people flock to the capital city and essentially, 1185 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:19,440 you know, riot, hold, hold protests and riot and force a 1186 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,880 change in regime. And that was how they did it in 1187 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,160 the Rose Revolution of 2003 and the Orange Revolution of 2004. 1188 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:29,200 Really with the there. I have a whole list of them in 1189 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,080 there. I mean, they did this in 1190 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:36,400 Slovakia and even against their friend in Slovenia and in 1191 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,360 Croatia. Wait, Slovenia? 1192 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,440 No, in Croatia they overthrew their buddy Tuchman. 1193 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,040 He was about to die. He died right before the 1194 01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:43,400 election anyway. But that was. 1195 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,080 Bill Clinton betraying his own guy that he helped in the Bosnia 1196 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,760 war and in Operation Storm and all that. 1197 01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:55,160 And then they overthrew Milosevic in 1999 or in 2000, 1198 01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:02,120 Yeah, in 2000. And and then, yeah, the Rose 1199 01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:07,160 revolution 2003, they did the orange revel in in Georgia, then 1200 01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,120 the Orange revolution in Ukraine in O 4:00. 1201 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:14,840 And then in Kyrgyzstan in 2005, they did what was called the 1202 01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,200 Tulip revolution, or sometimes it was called the lemon 1203 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,840 revolution. Pink and yellow were the colors. 1204 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,240 And they overthrew a guy who had been friendly with them. 1205 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,680 And it was, you know, one of the main reasons. 1206 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,000 It's crazy, but I, I even quote Daniel Freed is the one 1207 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,360 describing, you know, the, the Russia hawk is the one 1208 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:41,360 describing this group, Hayat al Tahrir, this Islamist group in 1209 01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,720 Kyrgyzstan. And like these guys are bin 1210 01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,160 Ladenites. I mean, they claim to be 1211 01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:46,800 nonviolent, but they're actually not. 1212 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,360 They've committed all these terrorist attacks. 1213 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,400 Their propaganda justifies September 11th and all the stuff 1214 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,280 that happened to us. And yet the Kiir government's 1215 01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,240 persecution of that group that was supported by George Soros 1216 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,360 became one of the reasons one of the excuses for doing the coup 1217 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:08,760 in the name of human rights. And this is in O5 and George 1218 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,440 Bush had declared war against bin Ladenites from. 1219 01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,920 Who didn't even exist yet in Somalia they wouldn't be bin 1220 01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,120 ladenites in Somalia for another few years but he declared war 1221 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,240 against Islamist insurgents from Somalia to the. 1222 01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:23,880 Philippines But in Kyrgyzstan, we're very concerned that the 1223 01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,600 government has been arresting these bin Ladenites lately that 1224 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,479 are financed by the George Soros government there. 1225 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,560 And then he had refused to allow America to station AWACS, Air 1226 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:39,080 Force control planes there and had allowed the Russians to open 1227 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,319 up reopen up an air base about 30 miles away from the American 1228 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:46,640 air base there that was being used to service the failed 1229 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,520 ultimately failed war in Afghanistan. 1230 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,240 And so that was another one. They failed with the seat of 1231 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:58,240 revolution in O5 in Lebanon. They also failed in 2009 with 1232 01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:03,319 the Green Revolution in Iran. And then there's like the 1233 01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:06,040 Umbrella Revolution, which I forget if that was under Obama 1234 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,920 or Trump. The Ned tried to do that 1235 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,720 umbrella stunt in Hong Kong, same kind of thing. 1236 01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,479 National Endowment for Democracy financing these groups 1237 01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,640 protesting to overthrow democratically elected 1238 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,240 governments in the name of democracy, of course. 1239 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:28,120 In 2014 there was a revolution with Amy Klobuchar. 1240 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:32,240 I think Chris Murphy and John McCain were also there in 2014 1241 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,600 in Ukraine. Can you walk us through what 1242 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:40,240 happened in this coup slash Euromaidan revolution? 1243 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,080 Yeah, essentially they say he's the Russian leaning presence. 1244 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,399 It's not really true. He's from the Eastern Party, 1245 01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:51,720 Yanukovych, he's from the Eastern party, the Party of 1246 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,840 Regions, and he wanted to join with the EU. 1247 01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,560 He ran on it. People say Paul Manafort was 1248 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,680 Donald Trump's controller working for Vladimir Putin as a 1249 01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,920 damn lie. Manafort was, if anything, was 1250 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,600 Ciai don't think he was, but he very well could have been. 1251 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,720 He had a fit right in with them with his fancy cufflinks and all 1252 01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,680 that kind of deal. Like he's their social class of 1253 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,240 the CIA. He absolutely was working at 1254 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,840 least as a cooperative American type asset. 1255 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,720 The entire premise of his employment with Yanukovych was 1256 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:28,680 to move him W to get him to sign up with the EU and he wanted to. 1257 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,120 And Manafort explains, people should really watch this. 1258 01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,400 It's a great interview of Manafort on Patrick Bette David. 1259 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,880 And he explains how the Eastern oligarchs, the Don Bass 1260 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,440 oligarchs. They hated the Russians because 1261 01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:44,440 they were always treated like the red headed stepchild and so 1262 01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:47,320 even though they were ethnic Russians and all of that, they 1263 01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,320 were sick. Of being used and abused and 1264 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,160 having their companies seized from them and all this extremely 1265 01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:56,040 corrupt country Oh I hear by nationalize your corporation and 1266 01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,640 give it to my friend. This kind of just insanity. 1267 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,480 And they said, well they can't do that if we join the EUEU 1268 01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:03,920 rules won't let them be that arbitrary. 1269 01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:08,800 And so it was people who in the cartoon would be pro Russian 1270 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,400 actually wanted to join the. EU. 1271 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,840 And that was who he was the agent of and and was doing their 1272 01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,400 bidding. But the EU played. 1273 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,120 Way too hard of hardball, even according to George Soros, said 1274 01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:24,160 Angela Merkel ruined it because she was willing to give far too 1275 01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:28,280 little in loans and was demanding far too much in terms 1276 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,640 of austerity and restrictions and social welfare payments. 1277 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,040 To the poor and that kind of thing in order to get the deal 1278 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,480 done. At the same time, the Russians 1279 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:39,000 were playing hardball and we're saying, look, if you sign with 1280 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,720 them, you're not going to be able to sign with us. 1281 01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,120 And Putin did publicly contradict that, but apparently 1282 01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,000 privately, numerous times he had also threatened that. 1283 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,560 And so, caught between a rock and a hard place, Yanukovych 1284 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,200 decided not to sign. It wasn't even a full deal. 1285 01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,960 It was just an association agreement with the European 1286 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,240 Union on the path toward EU membership. 1287 01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,640 When he refused to sign, the Soros groups came out in the 1288 01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,000 street. I mean, the original guy that 1289 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:12,360 called the Maidan was a guy from from Draki TV that was founded 1290 01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,160 with Soros money and was directly on the Soros payroll. 1291 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,160 And he declared on Facebook, come on everybody, let's go to 1292 01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,520 the Maidan and do the Orange Revolution thing again. 1293 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,920 And that was how it started. And then Yanukovych was a 1294 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,920 horrible president and status. And just like virtually all 1295 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,760 presidents do, sometimes this works. 1296 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:36,080 I guess if you do it effectively enough it works, but often times 1297 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,240 it only backfires. He clamped down with violence on 1298 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,640 the protesters numerous times in ways that really only backfired 1299 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,000 against him, including in January when the thing had 1300 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,840 really just petered out. People were going home and the 1301 01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,400 groups, the NGO's, were running out of money and the thing. 1302 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,200 Then, right as it's all falling apart, they passed what were 1303 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,040 called the dictatorship laws is what the dissenters called them. 1304 01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:00,120 That essentially outlawed the kind of protest that you don't 1305 01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,120 need to outlaw right now. They're going home. 1306 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,920 And then that just reinvigorated the whole damn thing again. 1307 01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:06,840 And all that. So that was, you know, very 1308 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,360 clumsy policy on the part of the currently serving president 1309 01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,560 there. But then the whole thing 1310 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:17,560 ultimately culminated in a violent St. push by the, to put 1311 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,000 it very politely, the radical right in the street there on 1312 01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,800 February the 21st and 22nd of February 2014. 1313 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,400 And they threatened to murder the president if he didn't leave 1314 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,400 town. And he left town and they took 1315 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,960 over the government buildings. And then the American government 1316 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,720 immediately recognized the new coup d'etat junta. 1317 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,600 They impeached the president with less than the supermajority 1318 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:44,360 required and literally with Nazi thugs with guns standing around 1319 01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,160 inside the parliament monitoring them to make sure they vote 1320 01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,000 right. But they didn't have the votes 1321 01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,480 because they had already banned his party from showing up there. 1322 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:54,160 So they didn't even have the quorum that they are. 1323 01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,920 I don't know if they have the quorum, but they didn't have the 1324 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,200 numbers that they needed for the vote. 1325 01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:59,680 But they just impeached him anyway. 1326 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,040 And then they immediately went to war. 1327 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,880 And one of the the first consequence was the Russian 1328 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,080 seizure of Crimea. And then very soon after the war 1329 01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,520 broke out in the Donbass. And that's the war that 1330 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:15,000 ultimately we blew up into what we call the full scale invasion, 1331 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,640 although that's not quite right. The Russians have actually not 1332 01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,480 engaged in a full scale mobilization. 1333 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,280 If they did, it would look much worse and much different, but 1334 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:27,320 what we call the full scale war, the much worse war since 2022. 1335 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:33,680 And Jeffrey Sachs tells us to imagine if on January 6th, a 1336 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,360 bunch of Chinese officials were standing in front of Trump 1337 01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,680 supporters saying, you know, you won this election, this is your 1338 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,000 country, do what it takes to make things right. 1339 01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,120 And once you get that analogy, you go, well, this certainly 1340 01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,480 does seem like AUS coup that took place in Ukraine. 1341 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:55,240 On page 319 you mentioned the 2015 Don Bass referendum. 1342 01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,280 I believe it was 2015. It might have been 2014. 1343 01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:02,480 What was the Don Bass referendum and who are the groups going to 1344 01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:08,320 war? Well, there was a referendum, so 1345 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:13,480 this is after the war had already begun when well, it's a 1346 01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:17,240 com K timeline. So they, they, they do the coup 1347 01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,440 in at the end of February. That's cool. 1348 01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:23,520 When I close my eyes, there's all bright ring lights. 1349 01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:28,520 It's cool, the end of February 'cause you know, the thing 1350 01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,200 burning a hole in my retina with it, the end of February. 1351 01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:38,000 Then the the interim government takes over in March and 1st what 1352 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,240 happens is the Russian sees Crimea. 1353 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,520 Now if you listen to the war party tell the story or listen 1354 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,160 to TV tell the story, they go, yeah, this whole thing started 1355 01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,240 when Russia sees Crimea. You know, the whole thing 1356 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,760 started when the American side backed this violent push that 1357 01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,640 overthrew the government. And then as soon as they did 1358 01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:01,520 that, the new government moved to, or at least prominent. 1359 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,200 The the former presidents all signed a thing. 1360 01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:09,040 And the I think the parliament had begun to move to repeal the 1361 01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:13,000 Harkeeth Pact that allowed the Russians to keep their Black Sea 1362 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,880 Fleet at the city of Sevastopol in the naval port of Sevastopol 1363 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,160 on the Crimean Peninsula. They said now it's time to kick 1364 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:24,080 the Russians out of Crimea. This is their only 24, I mean, 1365 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,240 pardon me, 52 week warm water port there. 1366 01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,040 All the rest of their ports freeze over in the winter time. 1367 01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,360 And this is their access to the Black Sea and therefore the 1368 01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,480 Mediterranean. As as Abedna Brzezinski put it, 1369 01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:41,440 John McCain tried to quote him that without Ukraine and crime, 1370 01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:46,560 especially Crimea, Russia is simply a EUR Asian power, a 1371 01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:53,800 regional power, but with Crimea and its access to the Med and 1372 01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:58,960 that makes them a global power and and a real power to mess 1373 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:03,760 with. So it was, I don't know if the 1374 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,200 Americans were behind this or not. 1375 01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,960 They're crazy if they wanted to push their luck this far. 1376 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:15,640 And but the former presidents, Kravchuk, Kuchma and Yushchenko 1377 01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,880 all called for the Russians to be kicked out of Sevastopol. 1378 01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,800 And at that point, the Russians, they held sort of a bogus 1379 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,760 referendum in Crimea that said, do you want to secede from 1380 01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,280 Ukraine and declare independence? 1381 01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,080 And then they changed it to do you want to join with Russia? 1382 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,560 And they did they, I mean, I don't know if the exact numbers 1383 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,640 were right, but they did have a super majority, solid super 1384 01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,720 majority support in Crimea for joining Russia. 1385 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,480 And then this is the little green men that left their base, 1386 01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:54,800 the marines and, and I guess special operations forces that 1387 01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,160 essentially just left their base and marines and sailors who just 1388 01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,960 left their bases and went and stood on street corners and took 1389 01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,440 over the thing in a virtually bloodless coup. 4 people were 1390 01:18:04,440 --> 01:18:09,560 killed in a virtuously bloodless coup domain in the seizure of 1391 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,440 Crimea. And it's important because you 1392 01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:15,160 got to put yourself in the mindset now. 1393 01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:21,560 The new coup d'etat junta in Kiev, Oh, oh, that backfired and 1394 01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:25,560 now we just got Dang, lost Crimea and now we got people in 1395 01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,040 the Donbass talking about they want to hold referendums and 1396 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:32,720 they want to declare their independence OR at least, you 1397 01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,360 know, if not full independence, at least they're declaring 1398 01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:40,560 sovereignty and demanding hard federalism and self rule under 1399 01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,240 Ukrainian, you know, the overall Ukrainian state. 1400 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,600 And so they overreacted like crazy. 1401 01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,680 And this was we know directly, I mean, it's widely reported at 1402 01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,600 the time, directly under the influence of the leader of 1403 01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,960 Jabhat Al Nusra from Syria, John Brennan, CIA Director John 1404 01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,680 Brennan, the traitor former communist turned bin Ladenite 1405 01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:07,960 supporter in the Syria war. He was the one who went to Kiev 1406 01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,760 and insisted that they launched this so-called counter terror 1407 01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,800 operation. Oh, al Qaeda in Syria. 1408 01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,080 No, we like those guys. Anyway, we need to launch a 1409 01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,360 counterterrorism operation against a bunch of people in the 1410 01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,400 Donbass who are refusing to accept the rule of the new coup 1411 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,880 d'etat junta that America just installed in power, completely 1412 01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,520 illegitimately overthrowing a democratic leader. 1413 01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,640 And, and then that's what they did. 1414 01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,520 They just attacked them. And there is nothing that the 1415 01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,880 people of the East had done yet. That was an act of war. 1416 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,120 They had seized some government buildings just like the people 1417 01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,200 in the West had done, including, you know, the intelligence 1418 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,400 offices and stuff. And then here comes Kiev, 1419 01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,880 launching air strikes, bringing in tanks, calling in soldiers, 1420 01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,640 machine gun and people, and blasting with artillery. 1421 01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,320 Shells and and attacking them from the air and the people the 1422 01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,480 E say couldn't believe it they're like wait this is our 1423 01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:02,960 government attacking us who is that they couldn't they didn't 1424 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,000 understand what was even happening that. 1425 01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,440 They weren't coming to roust out the bad guys. 1426 01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,920 They were coming to bomb the crap out of everyone and set an 1427 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,520 example that this is what happens when you mess with us. 1428 01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:16,760 And I have a quote from Poroshenko, or was it Turchynev, 1429 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:21,080 the first, the first president who launched the war, the 1430 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,560 interim president who launched the war that no, I think this is 1431 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,200 after Poroshenko was was brought in and escalated it. 1432 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,920 It was the anti terror operation won't last years. 1433 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,920 It will last days. You know, operation decisive 1434 01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,800 storm in Yemen, right, That lasted 10 years, right? 1435 01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:39,280 This is what we'll do. We're going to go in there and 1436 01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:40,920 we're going to whoop them good, he said. 1437 01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:46,520 And then just kicked off this horrific thing that, you know, 1438 01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,280 the the major peace deals brought the worst of the 1439 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:54,240 fighting to the end in November and then in February of 2014 and 1440 01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,640 15. But those are the Minsk Minsk 2 1441 01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,200 peace deals. They were never fully. 1442 01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,120 Implemented and they led to a situation of essentially what 1443 01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,840 you'd call low level fighting, where I think it was 1444 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:11,600 approximately another 4000 people were killed in the in the 1445 01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:19,800 time between the Minsk studio of February 15 and the actual 1446 01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:25,440 invasion of 2022. So this Don Bass war is between 1447 01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:30,240 the new state in Kiev and the people in eastern Ukraine who 1448 01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,960 voted heavily Yanukovych. Yes. 1449 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,080 And then, as the war party says, and Russian troops, Russian 1450 01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,720 troops, Russian troops. But that was always overplayed. 1451 01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,560 It was a denial. It was like, it's like George W 1452 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,880 Bush pretending that the entire insurgency in Iraq was all led 1453 01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:49,000 by Zarqawi. You know, like, well, that's not 1454 01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,560 exactly what's going on here. In fact, it was the locals 1455 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,200 fighting with some assistance by special operations forces. 1456 01:21:56,440 --> 01:22:01,600 But the only major incursions by the Russians in the original war 1457 01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,480 were in August of 14 and in February of 15. 1458 01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:09,720 And and then that was it. You know, other than that, it 1459 01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,880 was like deniable volunteers, just like we have American 1460 01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,880 volunteers that go and fight on the Ukraine side who really 1461 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,680 aren't necessarily sent by the Pentagon at all. 1462 01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:21,120 They just go and join. And any important information we 1463 01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,280 need to know about Minsk One or Minsk 2, looking at them in 1464 01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,200 hindsight? Yeah, I mean, the the basic deal 1465 01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:32,880 is, and this was agreed by the Germans and the French and the 1466 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,040 Russians and the and the Ukrainians and then America, 1467 01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,880 Obama and the UN Security Council put their rubber stamp 1468 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,200 on it. So these are the official peace 1469 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:41,240 deals. That's first of all. 1470 01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,440 And they agreed to stop at the airstrikes, stop at the heavy 1471 01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:48,680 artillery and the kind of full scale war. 1472 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,680 They drew a couple of lines and called it the Gray zone, kind of 1473 01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,760 a no man's land between the two, trying to keep the sides away 1474 01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,040 from each other. And then what was supposed to 1475 01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,920 happen was they're supposed to amend the constitution to grant 1476 01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:06,320 hard federalism, like real statehood almost to to the 1477 01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:11,560 Donbass oblasts, particularly Donetsk and Luhansk. 1478 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:12,880 That's what they're called there. 1479 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:17,800 Make up the Donbass. And then they were supposed to 1480 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,080 hold elections and under international supervision. 1481 01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,440 And the key to understanding what happened is that Kiev, with 1482 01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:29,320 American support, refused to ever implement the damn thing. 1483 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,280 They said we won't, we're changing the order of operations 1484 01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,000 here. Russia has to pull all their 1485 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,320 troops out of the country, which mostly they were kind of 1486 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:40,840 mythological anyway. It's like George Bush saying 1487 01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,720 we'll know that Saddam has disarmed when he brought all his 1488 01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,640 chemical weapons to us. You know what I mean? 1489 01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,480 We'll know the Russians have left when they all up and leave, 1490 01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:55,440 it's like, well, where are they? But they said and, and 1491 01:23:55,440 --> 01:24:00,280 importantly, and this is the part was the real rub, that they 1492 01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:04,200 had to give up full control of the eastern border to Ukraine 1493 01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,160 before they would hold elections. 1494 01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,200 And look, they have an argument that hey, we can't have a. 1495 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,680 Fair election under foreign occupation, but Oh well tough 1496 01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:14,720 shit. You shouldn't have launched a 1497 01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,200 war against them then, and you shouldn't agreed to the deal 1498 01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,040 then because that's what the deal says. 1499 01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:24,120 Now they're altering the deal. Barack Obama and the Poroshenko 1500 01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,720 government, we never meant to sign on to it. 1501 01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,600 And they all have admitted this later, boasted about this. 1502 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,960 That really was a ruse. Just give us time to rearm, just 1503 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:34,240 like they accused the Russians of. 1504 01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,160 Give us time to call it time out and rearm and get ready for the 1505 01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,560 next phase of the war when it comes soon enough. 1506 01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,960 Because they knew that that was a poison pill and a deal killer. 1507 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,920 The Russians are never going to give the Ukrainians full control 1508 01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,080 over the border before they ever even hold elections or implement 1509 01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,280 other parts of the deal. And. 1510 01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:59,000 But so, you know, it's funny to listen to them talk about, well, 1511 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,040 it was a bad deal. Well, what? 1512 01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:06,040 Yeah, this is the rules based liberal world order. 1513 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,640 The Americans and their friends can do whatever they want. 1514 01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,200 They can kill whoever they want. They can break any treaty they 1515 01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:15,920 want and tell any lie they want, steal any amount of money or any 1516 01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,440 property that they want and everybody else is the bad guy. 1517 01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,920 I'm going to do that next year on my taxes. 1518 01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,120 Keith, how come you didn't pay? It was such a bad deal. 1519 01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,760 I saw what the money was going towards in Gaza and I just 1520 01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,000 didn't want to chip in this year. 1521 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,560 It was a very bad deal as far as by the 16th. 1522 01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,520 Amendment, Keith, you, you're responsible. 1523 01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:39,680 That's right, I shouldn't have done that. 1524 01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,240 I had too much to drink that day. 1525 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,560 What were the provocations that took place under President 1526 01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,880 Trump? Oh well, he increased the 1527 01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,960 weapons and he refused to implement the peace deal 1528 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,760 because, as you remember, he was absolutely under fire, gun to 1529 01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:56,920 his head. Essentially, he could not 1530 01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:01,640 normalize with Russia, the US permanent, an establishment just 1531 01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,160 would not allow it. And it's one of the things that 1532 01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,360 they absolutely threw them into a panic about him was that he 1533 01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,840 just wanted to get along and and he didn't know when to shut the 1534 01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:14,040 hell up about it. Dude, he was driving him crazy 1535 01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,760 with forgetting NATO, which look, because they're all 1536 01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,720 government employees, they don't understand a businessman making 1537 01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,640 a deal. And Trump is not the most subtle 1538 01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,920 type. But he's like Germany, hell, 1539 01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,960 they can fight their own wars. Well, he's just trying to sell 1540 01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,560 them American weapons, OK? That's all he's doing. 1541 01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,480 I need you guys to increase the amount of money you spend on 1542 01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:39,040 American weapons. My lobby contractor, you know, 1543 01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:43,120 donors, that's all. Increase your NATO spending, 1544 01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,120 that's all. But they hear him talk like 1545 01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,280 that, So they freaked. And then, of course, we know now 1546 01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,640 that Brennan was the one who framed the whole thing up in the 1547 01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,960 1st place. And then the Democrats got on 1548 01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:57,440 board and the FBI got on board for pretending to think that 1549 01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:00,600 Donald Trump was a Russian spy controlled by Manafort and Page. 1550 01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:05,840 And all this under the Russiagate hoax, which is is 1551 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,920 really incredible. And I have a almost, you know, I 1552 01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,560 don't know, 7580 pages or so of the book is on Russiagate. 1553 01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:18,480 It's an incredible story about the framing of a major American 1554 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:21,080 presidential party candidate for president and then the 1555 01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,920 president-elect and then president, or treason with the 1556 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:28,240 Kremlin, of all things. This is the most unbelievable. 1557 01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,960 Thing, none of it was true. All of it was a lie, all of it 1558 01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:37,040 was a frame up job, but it severely hamstring hamstrung 1559 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,160 Trump's policy and prevented him from making peace. 1560 01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,120 I remember when he went to Helsinki and he said. 1561 01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,960 Man, I don't even know of any real reason to believe that 1562 01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,680 Russia interfered in the election, much less collusion. 1563 01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,600 But like, what? Even interference? 1564 01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,280 I don't know, He said he didn't. I believe him. 1565 01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:56,160 Well, the guy's standing right there. 1566 01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:59,800 So like, maybe he's just being diplomatic. 1567 01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:01,320 I don't think so. But like, what's he supposed to 1568 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,200 do? Be like, yeah, don't you ever 1569 01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:06,520 rig an election for me again, dude, Or some stupid thing he's 1570 01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,120 supposed to say to the guy right there. 1571 01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,400 So they all denounced this treason summit. 1572 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,920 The. Treason Summit, I remember 1573 01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:18,320 joking on Twitter. I was like me a year ago or me a 1574 01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:22,840 year and a half ago. Boy, I wonder how the anti war 1575 01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,120 left is going to figure out how to come slinking back after 1576 01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,720 eight years of silence under Barack Obama. 1577 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:34,840 Year and a half later, treason. Summit yeah there was no return 1578 01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:39,480 of the anti war left at all. They they were worse than Obama 1579 01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:42,880 himself by the time Trump was trying to get along with Russia 1580 01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:48,480 is amazing. What are what are the Russian 1581 01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:52,600 interference claims? Facebook ads and memes? 1582 01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,400 Yeah. And that that Manafort and Page 1583 01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,560 where his secret handlers telling him what to do. 1584 01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:03,240 And that Page had made a secret deal to get American sanctions 1585 01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:07,400 on Russia lifted and to abandon NATO and turn all of our allies 1586 01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,920 over to Russia's tender mercies and all these things in the 1587 01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,160 Steele dossier. They claim that the Russians 1588 01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:16,400 have been cultivating Trump as a spy for five years and planning 1589 01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:20,120 on installing him in power. They claim that this guy, George 1590 01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,280 Papadopoulos, had secret inside knowledge from the Russians, 1591 01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,840 from a Russian spy, that they had hacked the Democrats emails 1592 01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,040 and we're about to release them, which is a total hoax. 1593 01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:33,160 They claim that Mike Flynn had made a secret deal to lift 1594 01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,840 sanctions with the Russians, which is a damned lie. 1595 01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:40,400 They claim that Senator Jeff Sessions had, you know, done 1596 01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:45,040 anything nefarious and some secret implied negotiations or 1597 01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:49,200 agreements when he very briefly met with the Russian ambassador 1598 01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:53,520 under his duties as a senator, I mean, as part of the campaign. 1599 01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,120 And, you know, small little anecdote here. 1600 01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,960 Not that this is a million percent this positive, but dude. 1601 01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:03,240 If I told you that, yeah, Jeff Secret Jeff Sessions, Senator 1602 01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:07,160 Sessions had. Top secret, treasonous meeting 1603 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:11,160 with the Russian ambassador in his Senate office in front of 1604 01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,440 his staff, who are all retired army officers. 1605 01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,600 Wouldn't you say that that sounds like a stupid lie and 1606 01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,280 that I should shut the hell up? Because of course that's a 1607 01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,040 stupid lie. How dare they say that? 1608 01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,560 They're accusing those army officers of treason too. 1609 01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,920 They're standing right there letting Sessions get away with 1610 01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,320 selling America out to the Russians. 1611 01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,120 Why aren't they being court martialed? 1612 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,240 Like summoned back to duty and court martialed? 1613 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:41,160 Because it's a lie, that's why. It's a damned lie. 1614 01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:43,720 All of it. All of it was lies. 1615 01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:47,760 Oh, Facebook ads rigging the election and every bit of it. 1616 01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,720 And that Trump was going to sell out our policy to them that he 1617 01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,360 was their Manchurian candidate. That they had done a successful 1618 01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,520 coup and had overthrown Hillary Clinton in a coup, in a 1619 01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,560 color-coded revolution, you could call it, and prevented 1620 01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:04,120 Hillary Clinton taking her rightful place on her throne and 1621 01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:05,560 all this. And that Trump then, was an 1622 01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:09,560 illegitimate president who had no right whatsoever to sign or 1623 01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,560 veto a law, or to order troops to come or go, or a single 1624 01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,600 thing. And it's just incredible. 1625 01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,600 It's just incredible. It's unbelievable. 1626 01:31:18,440 --> 01:31:22,200 And I, I, you know, my section on it is great, but I'd 1627 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:25,000 encourage people to read the Durham report, which is not 1628 01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:26,720 complete. But it's the official 1629 01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,120 investigation into the investigation and where the 1630 01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,920 thing came from. And it is just an absolute 1631 01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:33,720 outrage. Dude. 1632 01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:37,320 You will not be friends with your Democrat friends anymore 1633 01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,000 when you read a dude, It's horrible. 1634 01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:43,440 It's just it's man. It's unreal that literally the, 1635 01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:46,480 the, the director of the FBI framing the president for 1636 01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:51,480 treason, the director of the CIA framing him outright, all their 1637 01:31:51,480 --> 01:31:54,600 staff, all of the top executives of the Justice Department and 1638 01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,480 FBI knowingly lying about the president of the United States 1639 01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:04,040 in that way, when they're all post constitutional, you know, 1640 01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:07,800 ad hoc agencies and departments that don't have any right to 1641 01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:09,760 exist. They have no legitimate 1642 01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:13,040 authority at all. You know, John McLaughlin, who 1643 01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:18,320 is the former acting director of the CIA, was asked, hey, man, 1644 01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,120 people say that there's a deep state overthrowing Trump. 1645 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,680 And he goes, yeah, well, thank God for the deep state. 1646 01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:26,920 That's a good thing. Because let me tell you 1647 01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,440 something. The problem is not at justice, 1648 01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:33,000 and the problem is not at FBI and the problem is not at CIA. 1649 01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:36,680 The problem is not the NSA. The problem is at 1600 1650 01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:39,760 Pennsylvania, right? Except that that was a damned 1651 01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,440 lie. It was all a lie. 1652 01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:48,200 So Aaron the ergo. In fact, the problem was. 1653 01:32:48,440 --> 01:32:53,000 At. Langley at DOJ, at FBI, at NSA. 1654 01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,920 How dare they come at the elected president this way. 1655 01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,920 And I'll tell you, man, if the Republicans had done this to 1656 01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:03,640 Obama and Hillary over the reset, I'd be just as pissed 1657 01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:05,160 off. And I'd have written 100 pages 1658 01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:09,240 about that, too. This is absolutely unforgivable 1659 01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,560 what they did, and I'll tell you when you read my Russiagate 1660 01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:14,880 part, you're going to be mad. It is unreal what they did. 1661 01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:20,440 It's it's a hair to the left or the right, whichever you prefer. 1662 01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:22,280 I'm shooting the guy in the face in. 1663 01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:27,240 Dallas, I mean, it really is an absolute outrage what they did. 1664 01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:31,960 I remember my Democrat friends at the time were like, is it out 1665 01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:33,960 yet? Is Mueller's report out yet? 1666 01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:35,520 Refreshing their phones, just waiting. 1667 01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,480 I know it's going to be, well, we got him dead to rights. 1668 01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:40,160 We just have to put it in writing. 1669 01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:43,520 So the Mueller report came out and none of them ever mentioned 1670 01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:45,960 it again. What is in this Mueller report? 1671 01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:49,840 Is there anything interesting? No, the Mueller report saving 1672 01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,880 me. Turns out none of it was right 1673 01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:56,200 after all guys, sorry. And we did they did an an 1674 01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,040 obstruction of justice investigation. 1675 01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:02,800 Half the damn report is about Trump looking into whether there 1676 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:06,560 are ways that he can stop the thing, but never doing anything 1677 01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,480 or making a phone call and asking somebody, would you 1678 01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:12,560 please intervene and hear from me and them say no, right? 1679 01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:14,200 And then. But there's no justice to 1680 01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,760 obstruct. And quite frankly, if he had 1681 01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:20,480 just arrested Comedy and Brennan and their families and exiled 1682 01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:23,840 them from the United States forever, along with the top 50 1683 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,840 people at Justice, CIA and FBI, and banned their families from 1684 01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,000 ever coming back to North America again, that would have 1685 01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,800 been perfectly fine. That wouldn't have been 1686 01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:36,800 obstruction of justice at all. And they all deserve much worse 1687 01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,360 than I would like to say on your podcast today. 1688 01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:46,560 They are literally not in the absolute constitutional sense, 1689 01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:51,040 but in every other way they are the traitors to the American 1690 01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,720 people, to our constitutional. System and the rest. 1691 01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,600 Of course. Yeah, provoking war with a 1692 01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,600 nuclear power? Certainly more treasonous than 1693 01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,320 anything I could think of. I2 more questions. 1694 01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:05,880 Thank you so much for your time. How do you explain the videos we 1695 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,080 saw at the beginning? We have President Biden and 1696 01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:12,000 President Zelensky saying this Russian attack is unprovoked. 1697 01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:17,080 Yet you have the nerve to title a big book like this provoked? 1698 01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,600 Are they lying? Are they engaged in a noble lie? 1699 01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,640 They know it's a lie, but you got to stop these evil Russians. 1700 01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,120 He's basically Vladimir Lenin who wants to reinstate the 1701 01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,240 Soviet Union. Are they just ignorant? 1702 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,000 Have they not come across this material? 1703 01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:33,800 How do you explain so many people saying that this was an 1704 01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:37,640 unprovoked war? Well, yeah, first of all, from 1705 01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,600 the top, they're lying and they know they're lying. 1706 01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:41,240 I'm sure. Just like with the weapons of 1707 01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:45,000 mass destruction or Assad committing genocide or whatever, 1708 01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,560 there are unlimited numbers of idiots who believe lies and 1709 01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,560 repeat them and, you know, believe them and so are not 1710 01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:53,680 lying themselves but are just stupid. 1711 01:35:54,480 --> 01:36:01,120 So there's plenty of that. But I mean, in fact, as anyone 1712 01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:03,640 who was just reading the post in the Times or whatever at the 1713 01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,640 time could tell you, what was that issue was that Putin was 1714 01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:11,640 demanding that America sign a treaty promising that we would 1715 01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:15,720 never bring Ukraine into NATO or expand our military presence 1716 01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:17,880 into NATO. And he was also demanding that 1717 01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,680 they abide by earlier agreements and pull our military forces 1718 01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:22,800 back to Western Europe and so forth. 1719 01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,320 All that was negotiable. The real issue was permanent 1720 01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:30,520 neutrality for Ukraine and America and Ukraine agreeing not 1721 01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:33,040 to let Ukraine join the Western alliance. 1722 01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,480 And here's the real rub, and this is the real sin of this 1723 01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:42,480 thing, man, is that Joe Biden never had any intention of 1724 01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:46,600 bringing Ukraine into NATO. But that's not to say that Putin 1725 01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:50,400 was lying when he claimed to be concerned about that, because 1726 01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,920 what Biden did was he said, well, we're not going to bring 1727 01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,280 them in now. We're not going to bring them 1728 01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:58,520 in, you know, probably in the next few years. 1729 01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:01,320 I mean, they've got a lot of real bad problems with their 1730 01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,880 democracy and corruption and their economy and stuff. 1731 01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:09,040 And so like, you know, we're not really going to bring them in to 1732 01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,760 NATO, but what we are going to do is we're going to refuse to 1733 01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:16,080 ever promise that we'll never put it in writing. 1734 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:23,800 And we will continue to increase interoperability, you know, 1735 01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,720 training and and production between our military and theirs. 1736 01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:31,960 We'll do everything we can to make their military essentially 1737 01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:36,120 a de facto asset of NATO in the West. 1738 01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:40,720 So that, for example, if Poland was invaded by Russia and the 1739 01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:46,120 NATO Article 5 treaty kicked in, Article 5 of the NATO treaty 1740 01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:50,400 kicked in, and America went and fielded forces in Poland to go 1741 01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,360 and fight the Russians, that we would essentially be able to 1742 01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:56,600 bring the Ukrainians in on our side because they would already 1743 01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:59,560 be NATO compatible. They would already have our 1744 01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:04,240 communications, our weapons, our standard size artillery rounds 1745 01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:06,320 and whatever. That's what they were working 1746 01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:10,960 toward was making Ukraine a de facto member of the alliance. 1747 01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:15,840 And what Putin was worried about, he said this explicitly 1748 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:19,160 numerous times and it's perfectly, I'm not saying as 1749 01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:22,440 reasonable as what he did about it, but I'm saying his concerns 1750 01:38:22,440 --> 01:38:26,720 were perfectly reasonable was to say that, look, we think that 1751 01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:28,840 they're going to put these anti missile missiles like they're 1752 01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:32,200 putting in Romania and Poland, that we think they're going to 1753 01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:35,520 put them in Ukraine. And then they're going to 1754 01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:40,080 decrease their flight time from cruise missiles down to 10 1755 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:45,120 minutes and hypersonic missiles less than 5 to our capital city. 1756 01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:50,880 And it is intolerable security breach and we won't stand for 1757 01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:52,080 it. It's as simple as that. 1758 01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:59,880 And and so, but the West had a doctrine that said, no, see, we 1759 01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:04,720 have an open door, just just just jargon doesn't mean 1760 01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:05,840 anything. There's no door. 1761 01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:09,520 It doesn't mean anything. This is a figure of speech. 1762 01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:14,640 Which means that only the West will say who can join our 1763 01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:19,840 alliance, and no other nation will ever have a say who's 1764 01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:22,960 allowed in our alliance no matter what. 1765 01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:26,960 Even if it's the Russians saying, listen man, this is our 1766 01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,720 Canada and we're just going to not let you do it. 1767 01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:35,640 It'll lead to war, we promise. Yet means yet if you do this, 1768 01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:39,000 there's going to be a problem. Right. 1769 01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:44,080 The Americans say we don't care, we rather have a problem then 1770 01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:49,280 say OK fine, and that's it. And so they essentially have 1771 01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:55,560 sacrificed the people and the nation of Ukraine on the altar 1772 01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:59,760 of their absolute ridiculous, stubborn bullshit, Keith, That's 1773 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,920 it. And Ukraine is never going to be 1774 01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,920 a NATO member if they ever intended. 1775 01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:07,480 On bringing Ukraine into NATO, what is that? 1776 01:40:07,480 --> 01:40:10,240 That means that they intend to defend Ukraine. 1777 01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,960 Well, here's Ukraine getting bombed every day and they're not 1778 01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:17,120 defending them, are they? They're not pulling our Navy 1779 01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:25,000 into the Azov Gulf there or that the that Azov coast and bringing 1780 01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,880 our heavy guns to bear on Russian forces, are they? 1781 01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,240 They're not bringing in our B twos and B50 twos to carpet bomb 1782 01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:33,040 Russian forces and the Don Bass. Why? 1783 01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,600 Because then we'd all die in a thermonuclear war. 1784 01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,520 That's why. Because it would lead directly 1785 01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,480 to war between NATO and Russia and that would lead to general 1786 01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:42,720 nuclear war. And so no. 1787 01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:49,520 So in other words, Biden himself is saying, go ahead and take as 1788 01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:53,880 much of it as you want, Putin, go ahead. 1789 01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:58,240 We know you'll forever be able to prevent Ukraine into joining 1790 01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:00,920 our stupid alliance, but we're at least going to give them a 1791 01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:02,840 bunch of weapons and make it very costly for you. 1792 01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:06,200 That's it. And now they admit, which I 1793 01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:09,440 think is true, that they've known all along, just as we've 1794 01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:12,800 said all along, that Russia's going to keep the Donbass 1795 01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,920 Ukraine is not getting. They're not going back to 2013 1796 01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:19,200 borders, 1991 borders. Forget it, pal. 1797 01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,760 You can now read this. You can now in the fall of 24, 1798 01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:25,840 read this in the Washington in the Washington Post and the Wall 1799 01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:29,240 Street Journal and the New York Times that like, yeah, Well, OK, 1800 01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:30,840 yeah, OK. And then what do they say? 1801 01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:33,520 They go, They go. Well, that was always the plan. 1802 01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,040 We knew that we. Weren't going to be able to 1803 01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:38,040 force the Russians out of Ukraine. 1804 01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:41,440 Well, but wait a minute. What about two years ago when 1805 01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:45,320 you said, yeah, the goal is to push them out of every square 1806 01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:49,280 inch of Ukrainian territory, including Crimea? 1807 01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,160 Remember that? Remember this? 1808 01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:56,640 They say Russia has the second strongest army in the world. 1809 01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:00,360 Looks like they got the second strongest army in Ukraine. 1810 01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:04,600 Remember that. No, actually, in fact, Russia is 1811 01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:09,080 going to have as much of Ukraine as they want eventually. 1812 01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:12,320 And as I said, they have not even launched a full scale 1813 01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:14,320 mobilization and a real full scale. 1814 01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:16,160 War here. They're fighting with their 1815 01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:19,160 reserves here. They fought for a year. 1816 01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:22,200 They fought with prisoners working for the mercenary group 1817 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,520 and saved all their soldiers in the rear. 1818 01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:27,720 People are like, oh, look how desperate the Russians are. 1819 01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:31,720 They're using the Wagner Group. They're using the Wagner Group 1820 01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:35,760 because of how desperate. They're not idiots. 1821 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,440 They just tell themselves anything. 1822 01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:40,440 Bunch of damn Democrats don't know the first thing about it. 1823 01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:46,560 It's incredible to read Dwight Eisenhower's words talking about 1824 01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:51,320 how look, Soviets are bad and you know, I'm open to maybe 1825 01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:55,360 making peace with them, but we will go to war in Guatemala. 1826 01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:59,040 The Soviet troops and Soviet weaponry is not allowed in 1827 01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,360 Guatemala. America doesn't even share a 1828 01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,840 direct border with Guatemala, so imagine what do they share. 1829 01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,960 Ukraine and Russia have like 1200 miles or something 1830 01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:13,160 kilometers of a border together. So I we do not like statists 1831 01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,640 from any country, let alone Vladimir Putin. 1832 01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,800 But to say that this is just some bizarre attempt at world 1833 01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,360 takeover, I think it's completely ridiculous. 1834 01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:25,440 And look, let's do the the Canada Mexico analogy here real 1835 01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:30,240 quick, Keith. The Canada 1 is easier, I guess 1836 01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,880 here in a way. So we'll just start with that. 1837 01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:35,880 They're like, what if the Russians overthrew the 1838 01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,880 Government of Canada twice in 10 years when the people kept 1839 01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:42,560 voting wrong and then on the second one they used a bunch of 1840 01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:45,200 Nazis in the street to get away with the putch and. 1841 01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:47,560 Then the new. Regime immediately launched a 1842 01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:50,480 war against the people of Vancouver, BC who refused to 1843 01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:54,800 accept the rule of their new of their new coup junta that 1844 01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:56,640 overthrew their elected president. 1845 01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:58,920 And then they started threatening to kick us out of 1846 01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:02,280 our naval bases in Alaska, right? 1847 01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:05,720 America would invade Canada and probably nuke Moscow. 1848 01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:08,320 That's what would happen. America would. 1849 01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:11,040 Sack Ottawa. If America had to call up every 1850 01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:16,240 last reserve and policeman in America to sack Ottawa, they 1851 01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:18,680 would do it. If they had to conscript 10 1852 01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:23,680 million men to conquer Canada, they would stop at nothing to 1853 01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:27,800 prevent a hostile military power from controlling Canada. 1854 01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,800 You know it and I know it and your Mama knows it and everybody 1855 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:32,960 knows it. That's a scientific fact. 1856 01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:38,320 OK, we would kill them. We would probably at least 1857 01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:40,960 threaten and probably just go ahead and follow through and 1858 01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,880 start a thermonuclear. War over it. 1859 01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,960 And by the way, you notice that when I say what if the Russians 1860 01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:51,160 did that, how completely inane and stupid and ridiculous it 1861 01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:55,120 sounds, it sounds like I'm this ridiculous one because you know, 1862 01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:57,760 and I know and your audience knows and everybody knows 1863 01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:01,760 Russia's not going to overthrow the government in Ottawa. 1864 01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:06,120 Russia wouldn't dare try to overthrow the government in 1865 01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:07,640 Ottawa. Are you kidding? 1866 01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:11,360 You know why? Because we nuke Moscow and they 1867 01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:14,960 know that it's stupid to even bring it up. 1868 01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:19,440 It sounds crazy, but we do that to them and it's perfectly fine. 1869 01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:21,680 The shoe? No, you're just not allowed to 1870 01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:23,680 put the shoe on the other foot. You're just not allowed to think 1871 01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:27,600 of it in that context. Then let me bring up the China 1872 01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:32,840 analogy as well, because this is one that is comes from Alexander 1873 01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:36,880 Solzhenitsyn. Talking about Ukraine and saying 1874 01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:41,600 what if he doesn't say exactly like this, but for our purposes, 1875 01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:44,480 what if when the American empire falls? 1876 01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:47,400 We don't just lose our dominance in Europe and Asia and the 1877 01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,920 Middle East. What if the East Coast loses 1878 01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:54,520 some of the western states right? 1879 01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:59,280 What if we lose not just right? Just like the Russia their their 1880 01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,040 Soviet empire. They didn't just lose the Warsaw 1881 01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:05,680 Pact states, they lost the republics too, right? 1882 01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:11,880 Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltics as well as Kazakhstan etcetera, 1883 01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:13,400 right? They've lost their so-called 1884 01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:16,840 republics as well. So OK, so now the Empire falls 1885 01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:22,320 and USA, Washington DC starts losing countries West of the 1886 01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:25,360 Mississippi River, states West of the Mississippi River as 1887 01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:29,560 well, and that they lose the Southwest and the Southwest then 1888 01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,040 falls under the dominance of Mexico. 1889 01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:37,680 And then Mexico comes in and starts persecuting the Anglos, 1890 01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:41,480 outlawing our Protestant churches, outlawing the English 1891 01:46:41,480 --> 01:46:45,680 language, confiscating our property, and mistreating all of 1892 01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:50,400 the whites of what's now New New Mexico in the American 1893 01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:54,840 Southwest. What would presumably still 1894 01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:59,920 Anglo controlled USA east of the Mississippi River do about that? 1895 01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:04,200 Well, they would invade Texas again and they wood forest the 1896 01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:06,640 Hispanics to stop mistreating the Anglos. 1897 01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:09,680 Or at least they threatened to. Or at least they back right wing 1898 01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:12,240 militias. Or at least you understand the 1899 01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:15,000 analogy here. They would not let that happen. 1900 01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:17,880 It's the same thing here. It's the same thing here. 1901 01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:20,160 People don't want to put the shoe on the other foot because 1902 01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:21,880 you know why? It means that they're political 1903 01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:24,680 heroes are. And devils and that they are 1904 01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:26,360 damn fools for loving them so much. 1905 01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:30,440 Sorry. It's so ridiculous. 1906 01:47:30,440 --> 01:47:33,280 They're like, you know what, we might need to stop people from 1907 01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:37,280 voluntarily downloading an app on their phone called TikTok 1908 01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:40,680 because there's 3° of separation from TikTok. 1909 01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:44,480 And the Chinese government, well, if that counts as a 1910 01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:48,280 violation of our sovereign independence, my gosh, what's 1911 01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:50,680 going on in other parts of the world, of course, certainly 1912 01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:54,640 qualifies as violations of the independent of other countries. 1913 01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:58,440 So I want to end on a somewhat optimistic note. 1914 01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:02,160 When it comes to peace talks in the past that have worked, so 1915 01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,440 many people say, well, you can't talk to Xi Jinping. 1916 01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,200 You can't talk to Vladimir Putin. 1917 01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,320 These guys are crazy dictators who want to take over the world. 1918 01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:13,160 What are some examples of peace talks in the past that have 1919 01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:16,120 worked out that can keep us optimistic about the future? 1920 01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:20,520 Well, America signed all kinds of treaties with the Soviets and 1921 01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:23,480 including did work with them on the dismantling of the Soviet 1922 01:48:23,480 --> 01:48:27,360 Union itself ultimately. And HW Bush, for all of his 1923 01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:32,520 horrible flaws, did push very hard for new treaties and 1924 01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:36,520 including made massive unilateral moves to disarm 1925 01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:39,960 America's thermonuclear missile force at the end of the Cold 1926 01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:41,680 War. And the Russians reciprocated. 1927 01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:45,480 And we went from about 40,000 nukes on our side and 70 or was 1928 01:48:45,480 --> 01:48:52,200 30 on our side and 40 on airs to about 7006 to 7000 total on each 1929 01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:55,880 side with only 1500 deployed and the rest in storage. 1930 01:48:56,120 --> 01:49:01,320 So this is a massive improvement over the the the previous state. 1931 01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:06,000 It's almost impossible to to explain what an improvement that 1932 01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:09,440 is over the the previous arms race. 1933 01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:15,520 So that's a huge one. And then, you know, the I'll 1934 01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:21,280 just look at, you know, Trump's potential almost success in 1935 01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:25,040 winning over North Korea in his last term. 1936 01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:27,720 The president of South Korea said, please let me go over 1937 01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,240 there and open up, man. I want to work with them and see 1938 01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:32,800 if we can get a peace treaty and end this war and all this. 1939 01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:34,720 And Trump goes, yeah, let's do it. 1940 01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,160 Well, I bet that'll piss off my national security advisor. 1941 01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,960 And so we told him to do it and it was working. 1942 01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:45,560 And then, of course, at Sheldon Adelson's insistence, Donald 1943 01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:49,120 Trump hired John Bolton. And John Bolton, who's, you 1944 01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:51,040 know, just for Israeli interests, I don't know what 1945 01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:54,760 Adelson cares about North Korea, but Bolton's horrible on it. 1946 01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:57,760 It's all Bolton's fault that North Korea has nuclear weapons 1947 01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:00,960 in the 1st place because of the actions he took working for Bush 1948 01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:04,520 and the State Department in 2002, which is I can get into, 1949 01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:09,440 but it's 100% his fault. You know, he shares equal, 1950 01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:12,800 Bolton shares 100% equal responsibility with George W 1951 01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:16,080 Bush and Kim Jong Illinois and Kim Jong Illinois's top nuclear 1952 01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:18,800 weapons scientists for the creation of that arsenal. 1953 01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,800 I mean, he might as well been a supervisor on the dam project. 1954 01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:25,400 And then he's the one who ruined the potential peace there. 1955 01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:27,600 But you saw what happened. Trump stuck his hand and I said 1956 01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,520 what the hell? Crossed over into North Korea? 1957 01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:34,320 Why not? And, and I mean, that's a war 1958 01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:38,720 that we've had a time out, a ceasefire, but no real Armistice 1959 01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:42,960 since 52 and and a real threat of conflict between those 1960 01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:48,800 countries this whole time. And then, you know, I don't 1961 01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:55,240 know, we, we negotiate our ways out of war, you know, and, and 1962 01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:58,120 negotiate the ends of wars all the time. 1963 01:50:58,120 --> 01:50:59,520 They all eventually come to an end. 1964 01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,320 We get Iran and Iraq fought for eight years, ended right where 1965 01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:04,840 they started from, only a lot more dead. 1966 01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:10,080 In this case, we have a situation where all reasonable 1967 01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:14,680 people in all places know that Russia's keeping the Donbass. 1968 01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,640 The question is, are they going to keep all of Zaprosia and 1969 01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:24,480 curse on or only part of them? Are they going to annex the city 1970 01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:27,640 of Harkiv or are they going to restrain themselves? 1971 01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:32,160 They're going to try to annex and go as far as Odessa or can 1972 01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:35,240 we call the thing off? Short of that, and those are the 1973 01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:38,840 questions. Only a damn liar and the damn 1974 01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:41,520 fool who believes them says that the Russians are ever leaving 1975 01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:45,040 the Donbass and and frankly I don't think they're going to 1976 01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,880 leave Zaprosier curse on either. That's their so-called land 1977 01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:50,520 bridge to Crimea. The last time they didn't 1978 01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:56,160 control it, the damn Kiev government dammed up the fresh 1979 01:51:56,160 --> 01:52:00,440 water supplies from the NEPA river through the canal to down 1980 01:52:00,440 --> 01:52:02,600 to Crimea. So they're just going to not let 1981 01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:04,160 that happen again? Keith, I don't know. 1982 01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:06,920 They shouldn't have let their government be run by a bunch of 1983 01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:09,800 American backed Nazis in the 1st place if they didn't want that 1984 01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:13,560 consequence. But they're losing formerly Novo 1985 01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:20,640 Rosia there, the four Eastern Oblasts, and maybe. 6 Maybe 1986 01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:24,280 Harkiv and Dipranaska, flop of flip, flam, jam, whatever you 1987 01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:26,600 call it there that nobody can pronounce because nobody cares 1988 01:52:27,480 --> 01:52:30,680 between the Don Bass and the river there. 1989 01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:39,200 I don't know, but you know, I'll tell you what, after Ukraine's 1990 01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:42,400 big success, they're faint in curse on and their massive 1991 01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:49,480 success in Harkiv and the very north of Luhansk in September of 1992 01:52:49,480 --> 01:52:54,160 2022, wiser Americans said you should negotiate right now. 1993 01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:57,640 You should negotiate now while you're only this far behind and 1994 01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,200 not worse, because this is the height of your power, man. 1995 01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:02,960 It's only downhill from here, including at that time. 1996 01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:04,880 And I know everybody hates them and they should for other 1997 01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:08,320 reasons, fine. But Miley, the chairman of Joint 1998 01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:10,560 Chiefs of Staff, was absolutely right about this. 1999 01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:14,600 His predecessor, Mullen, who had served under Obama, Admiral 2000 01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:18,240 Mullen said the same thing. Deal now, man, before it gets 2001 01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:22,200 worse. And that was two years ago, and 2002 01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,640 they should have dealt. They've done nothing but lose 2003 01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,240 men and land and wealth since then. 2004 01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:30,080 And it's only getting worse. And The thing is a catastrophe, 2005 01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:31,600 man. It's, it's a, it's a real 2006 01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:34,840 tragedy for those people. And I don't know what the what 2007 01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:37,640 the ultimate consequences will be, but I know that they'll 2008 01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:39,800 reverberate for the rest of our lifetimes for sure. 2009 01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:44,640 The book is provoked how Washington started the new Cold 2010 01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:48,200 War with Russia and the catastrophe in Ukraine. 2011 01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:50,680 Thanks to everyone for watching Keith and I Don't Tread on 2012 01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:52,440 Anyone and the Libertarian Institute. 2013 01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:54,160 Scott Horton, thank you for your time. 2014 01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:58,560 Thank you, Keith. President Putin declared in the 2015 01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:03,240 autumn of 2021 and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted 2016 01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:07,360 NATO to sign to promise no more NATO enlargement. 2017 01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:12,200 That was what what he sent us and that was that that was a pre 2018 01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:15,920 condition for not invade Ukraine. 2019 01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:17,440 Of course we didn't sign that.