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Sometimes power is Right. 
Sometimes power is wrong. 

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Always and everywhere, power 
defines and is defined by what 

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you should think do. 
And say, if you wish to 

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flourish. 
This is the only sure way to 

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know whether you are a dissident
or a collaborator. 

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Welcome to Keith's night. 
Don't tread on anyone. 

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That is a quote from our guest 
today. 

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Mr. Curtis Jarvan. 
You can check him out at gray, 

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mare. 
Dotsub stack.com sir. 

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Is that the best place to find 
your work? 

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That is the best place to find 
my current work. 

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You can Find my archives of my 
old blog which is a very large 

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amount of material and 
unqualified Dash. 

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Reservations dot-org. 
I'm actually also my sub stack 

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is currently although this will 
probably change accessible 

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through the sub stack a 
homepage. 

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I'm Number 15 in politics. 
The, you know, I don't expect, 

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I'll stay on that page, but you 
can find me from there for right

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now. 
So so yeah. 

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Thank you for having me on. 
And happy to talk about whatever

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you whatever it is. 
You want to talk about. 

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You wanted to talk about Hans 
Hermann. 

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Hapa was that one of the goals, 
but I'll let you, I'll let you 

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lead here. 
So I'm going to clip this into 

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three separate videos. 
I want to start off with a 

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discussion on Democracy. 
The God That Failed a collection

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of works by Hans hop up and he 
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preference. 
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importance of Time preference. 
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you know, if you know meets us, 
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you know, I don't know your 
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of your listeners are 
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sounds like a Libertarian 
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So if you know the thinking of 
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the course of the concept of 
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is really a my season kind of 
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know, definition and 
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time preference, you're willing 
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the sometimes given to Children 
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preference, which is do you want
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Marshmallow now or two 
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And the kid who can say I want 
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more likely to go on to be a 
nefarious, International Banker.

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Yeah. 
Or more generally. 

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More likely to succeed in life 
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that we call life these days, 
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So so that's time preference and
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course indicates your ability to
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future, you know, to the present
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than others. 
Might now one way to understand,

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you know, the role of time 
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use a piece of property is, 
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You care that it not fall apart 
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not get billed for anything. 
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changed the oil in a rented car 
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And that's what that 
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It demonstrates the benefits of 
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See that is owned. 
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someone? 
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Do you want to be a rented? 
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Answer is no, do not want to be 
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who drives the red a car is like
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know, and and so that's that the
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in a way by people, who don't 
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incentive to essentially behave 
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They basically want to like, you
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they just stole enjoying, you 
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And then the You know, the key 
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And and you know, those cars are
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say, okay? 
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power over the country, that the
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the thing is exactly the same, 
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Terry, right. 
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The country is much more like 
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a beautiful tree in 50 years. 
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Whose like, I might not live to 
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kid, you know, probably well or 
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only there for four years? 
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know, seeing that kind of 
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really like it sort of 
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me. 
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you see, it's built on this 
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makes sense. 
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Now if I am looking at the 
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least, I a member of the 
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leverage against the president. 
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out or as the Monarch can just 
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What is hop has General response
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of change? 
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independent variable is to say, 
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is not caused by anything else. 
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you're sort of definition of 
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Various ways in how that's sort 
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question, but if we identify a 
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levers, and there's sort of a 
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force changes in a predictable 
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endogenous force. 
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broadly of force by controlling 
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people's heads, can control 
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their heads. 
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ultimate cause then you're just 
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know, who's really in charge the
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allow Like the president. 
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Electoral College is a bunch of 
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discretion or whatever. 
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to like, you know, put it on 
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role, you know, but technically,
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yeah, they picked the president.
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the military. 
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theoretically, they could get 
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We could have, you know, the 
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kind of this kind of, you know, 
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talking Koozies days. 
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that comes out of nowhere, 
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College strikes turns out 
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along, you know, like they have 
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know, the rush Shields are in 
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right? 
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that to say that the public is 
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meaningful unless it's sort of 
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clearer sense. 
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indications that it's not only, 
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structural reasons. 
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that it doesn't have that power 
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have enough energy to have power
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And so the thing is that, you 
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is not an once, public opinion 
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you look at him it empirically. 
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are the mechanisms by which 
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informed out, you know, which is
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perspective of the Press today. 
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lippmann's public opinion from 
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right? 
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well, that there's a sort of 
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the public thing that you know, 
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what we've seen that degrade 
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Is, you know where the Guardians
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going to enjoy it watching, you 
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kind of negative cognitive 
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president trying to Joe or his 
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Dr. Jill. 
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harassment, right? 
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like if you say, dr. 
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know, Frau Professor. 
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some kind of, I mean, that's 
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that about, Protected class, 
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I mean with that same expression
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protection from mockery sort of 
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very easy to see. 
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put back on. 
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reasons I'm so providing but you
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So you're basically saying, So, 
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is accountable and that's kind 
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can be stated. 
Are they in any way accountable?

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You know, what you would say of 
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is, how is the absolute monarch 
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Or how do they, how do they feel
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Number one? 
These were all religious 

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motherfuckers, right? 
You know, they were fucking 

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religious. 
And so they thought that God, 

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like existed in was there. 
They believed in God and did 

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they consider themselves 
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God. 
Yes, absolutely. 

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When you look at like the great,
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century, you know, they Hitler's
the Stalin's, the FDR's, they're

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all atheists and, and, you know,
like, really. 

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I don't, you know, FDR that's 
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Right? 
I'm not sure if he was an 

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atheist, but, you know, the but 
I would like my looking into it.

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Like he would never come out and
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But I think Frances Perkins as 
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yeah, Franklin base. 
Luckily only believed in himself

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as to Stalin and Hitler. 
There's no question about that. 

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Right? 
And so, you know, that's a sort 

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of accountability that, you 
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you are incredible. 
It doesn't have to be like, you 

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know, oh I'm doing this, you 
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So God would strike wouldn't 
isn't going to strike me down 

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with a bolt of lightning. 
So I'm going to do whatever I 

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want. 
Feeling accountable is entirely 

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enough, you know, the second, 
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you know these monarchs Are is 
they're woven into this Social 

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And so, you know, they feel 
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governance, you know, but that's
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absolute monarchy, but, you 
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to, you know, and so the theory 
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the government's power to tax. 
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Whereas if he is an extension of
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necessarily with cops sense of 
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writer, you know, put a very 
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know, democracy issued every man
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a ballot, a nap. 
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it it drafted them into armies 
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expansion of the State under, 
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political forum. 
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seeing in a democratic ideology 
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from you to the state. 
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over the state, you're basically
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Basically, exercise power over 
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direction, right, you know, and 
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with it in some ways. 
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know, if you want to, if we can 
diverging to history over theory

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for a moment, you know, for all 
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believe in the Declaration of 
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of course, but you know, there's
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Statesman whose work is 
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name is Thomas. 
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He he actually had his house 
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1770s a believes 70s or 60s. 
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Governor's, Massachusetts, and 
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you've read it, it's a very high
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It's very, it's very gassy, you 
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bubbles of very, very hot and 
Powerful wind, right? 

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You And, and what Hutchinson 
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he basically takes these kind of
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He's like, let me explain to you
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by this stuff, because I'll bet 
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essentially he goes through each
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purported tyranny, you know, and
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you know, he is obstructed, 
useful schemes to, you know, You

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know, improve the Commerce of 
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whatever because all 
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he's like, yeah, you know when I
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money thing that they were doing
total scam. 

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I shut it all down or, you know,
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swarms of officers here. 
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like I know of since I'm sure 
the referring to this is, you 

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know, as you may know. 
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anti-smuggling laws. 
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So we have like, yeah, we have 
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million people, right? 
You know, and like this is like 

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a swarm, right? 
So so it's really like, you 

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know, it's actually like he 
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humorous, um, and and he intends
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you know, as sort of a true, a 
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conservative your You look at 
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wait a second. 
I must I'm supposed to be on the

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other side of this conflict. 
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second, which of these sides of 
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one is right? 
Where am I in the left? 

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What am I doing over here on the
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Like what? 
Like, you know, I'm with like 

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the mob violence. 
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this guy. 
He's a gentleman. 

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He's wonderful. 
He's a, he's erudite, he, you 

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know, he's very civilized and, 
you know, he had his house 

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burned down by a black lives 
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18th century equivalent, right, 
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would put that out there for all
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I love the flag, of course, but 
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interesting when it comes to BLM
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need for Democratic politicians 
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appeal to the envious and 
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This almost changes the 
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Was the leaders who seek to be 
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sorts of things. 
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groups, and interest groups who 
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It really matters if Raytheon 
gets that next contract, but for

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URI, I don't want them to, but 
how much time am I going to 

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spend? 
You know, when it's going to 

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cost me probably four dollars 
over the next year and it's 

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going to get them, you know, ten
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So talks about. 
I agree with all these, all 

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these happy. 
Critiques, you know, the thing 

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that in a way I've learned since
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that Hapa is really, you know, 
hop as a theorist, right? 

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And he's absolutely right here, 
but he's critiquing his system 

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which everyone thinks use 
everyone thinks exists which 

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only used to exist. 
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essentially, you know, how in 
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the Republic's, this is really 
great whenever they have a 

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regime change, they go from Like
the third Republic to the Fourth

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Republic. 
Yeah, it's so cool. 

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Right, you know and then they 
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not a republic at all or 
something there really should be

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on number 6. 
But they like instead they were 

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just so pissed off that. 
They put a gap in the number, 

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right, you know, which he/she 
was a mulligan? 

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Yeah. 
I know. 

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It was a mulligan, right? 
I feel totally legitimate. 

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Right. 
But you know what you guys, your

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French, whatever you could do 
it, right? 

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So in any case, you know, 
essentially when you read Hoppus

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critique as a critique of the 
Can system. 

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What is critiquing is the third 
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And not the Fourth Republic 
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FDR Republic rather than New 
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So one of the things that you'll
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know, essentially for a, you 
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version of post-revolutionary 
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basically have three American 
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to being absolute monarchs. 
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FDR. 
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which is originally, essentially
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can just do whatever the fuck 
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this very process oriented 
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So, for example, kind of their 
America's real constitution in 

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the post-war era, is something 
you may have heard of as a 

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Libertarian called the 
administrative procedure Act of 

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1946. 
The APA essentially dictates 

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kind of how All the government 
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hands of sort of the despised 
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You might have noticed, you 
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out to people just that you just
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The map. 
Is you have this interesting 

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situation where you have these 
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and one of them is super good in
the other one is super bad, but 

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they mean the same thing. 
So, you know, if you said you 

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were going to democratize u.s. 
Foreign policy, that would be 

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good. 
But if you were going to 

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politicize it that would be very
bad, right? 

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So, But how do you have 
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That's like something. 
Fuck Kim Jang. 

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Hoon would come up with. 
Yes, you know, of course, we are

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no politics here, but we're 
completely where the Democratic 

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People's Republic of Korea, 
right? 

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You know, they put the name in 
three times, right? 

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Just to make sure the and the 
fourth is just is just 

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geography, right. 
So they're Democratic Democratic

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Democratic, but there doesn't 
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So that's an interesting 20th 
century pattern. 

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Is that, you know, and then we 
noticed that You know, wow, it 

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doesn't, you know, either Donald
Trump actually didn't have any 

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power over the Deep state or, 
you know, he had power, but 

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didn't use it. 
That's really weird, you know, 

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and so sort of by a number of 
factors you realize that 

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essentially the same critiques 
of democracy that hop-up uttered

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were uttered by Leading 
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In the early 20th century. 
You can find your find them 

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Woodrow Wilson, you can find 
them. 

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And Walter Lippmann, you can 
find them in basically, you 

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know, Henry Adams, you know, 
Charles Francis Adams, you can 

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find them. 
Basically, going back all the 

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way to the Liberal Republicans 
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Right? 
So, you know, this critique of 

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democracy is actually extremely 
old and when you discover it in 

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the present day, it's like 
you're robbing a tomb that's 

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already been robbed. 
Right? 

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Because essentially What was 
decided the reason we have this 

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Between, you know, this kind of 
deep spiritual thing, which is 

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democracy, which is the people 
rule man to like the mechanism, 

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by which the people rule 
politics is actually broken in 

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stupid and nobody believes in 
it. 

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And it's not really in charge of
anything. 

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The way we got there is through 
sort of the way that the New 

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Deal was built up and the way 
FDR's kind of personal regime of

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the New Deal turns into the 
bureaucratic oligarchy that you 

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know, survive. 
Ives after FDR's death it which 

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is, which is what we have now 
and this bureaucratic oligarchy 

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does essentially everything 
possible to separate itself from

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well, democracy, in the literal 
sense of the word, but certainly

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politics. 
Like, you know, let's look at, 

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you know, the classic 
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Federal Reserve. 
It's an independent agency. 

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What does that even mean? 
Where is that in the 

449
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,700
Constitution? 
Right? 

450
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,900
And, and you know, what is 
independent mean? 

451
00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:59,300
Independent means it should be a
separate. 

452
00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:02,800
Any kind of political 
accountability as possible and 

453
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,600
that is good. 
Right. 

454
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:11,700
And and and because you 
basically have a government 

455
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:15,400
that's entirely built on the 
principle, that democracy is 

456
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,800
bad. 
I mean, that politics is bad, 

457
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,800
you know, the whole system of 
the executive branch in the 

458
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,500
whole way. 
The New Deal's is built up is 

459
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:29,400
essentially built as this 
massive buffer against democracy

460
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,200
because it's built as a buffer 
against politics, right? 

461
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,400
And this is why, you know, When 
you know things like the what 

462
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,300
was it, the credit trying to 
remember the name the the 

463
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,700
Elizabeth Warren Bureau was 
created the credit Protection 

464
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:47,300
Bureau or whatever. 
They're basically like we're 

465
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:50,200
going to give it its own source 
of revenue from the agencies 

466
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,300
from the company's it regulates 
so that there's absolutely no 

467
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:58,300
way to pull any strings, you 
know, over this and so basically

468
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:02,500
Consumer Finance Financial 
Protection Bureau, right cfpb, 

469
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:07,300
and so they The cfpb. 
And they're basically, like, we 

470
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:12,500
have to make this this 
organization as much like George

471
00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:16,300
the third as possible, right? 
So you've come full fucking 

472
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:18,100
Circle, right? 
Instead of one, George the 

473
00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:22,000
third, you have this massive 
oligarchy of tiny George III's. 

474
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,600
Not the George, the third was 
ever actually an absolute 

475
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,500
monarch, but that's a different 
conversation. 

476
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:32,600
But, you know, you sort of you 
vastly magnified, the problem, 

477
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,300
in all in many different ways. 
You know, the other thing, you 

478
00:27:36,308 --> 00:27:38,600
know, Hopper talks about its 
long time since I've read this 

479
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,300
book, but hop, it talks about 
the somewhere. 

480
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:44,200
I'm sure which is that the 
incentive of all these Petty 

481
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,700
Kings even if their power adds 
up to the power of one big king,

482
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,500
their incentive is very 
different because they have no 

483
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:54,600
ownership at all. 
It's not even they didn't rent 

484
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,500
the car, right, you know, like, 
there's zero accountability for 

485
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:01,900
these people by Design, because 
the only way to give them 

486
00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:04,600
accountability is to sort of 
return. 

487
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,700
To third Republic, kind of 
Gilded, Age Robber, Baron 

488
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:12,400
kleptocracy, you know, which 
everyone hates and so and yellow

489
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,100
journalism, yellow, journalism 
and Robber, Baron kleptocracy. 

490
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:17,500
That's the third Republic for 
you this into a real. 

491
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,800
And so instead we sort of need 
this platonic Guardian class, 

492
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,000
which, which forms public 
opinion rather than that, bad 

493
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,500
social media with all its 
misinformation, you know, but 

494
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:37,200
the misinformation huge problem 
and the And and like so, you 

495
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,800
know, this is our sort of real 
Republic. 

496
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,300
So hop, is hop is critiques of 
sort of the old abstraction are 

497
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:47,600
interesting, but those critiques
in a way have already been acted

498
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,300
on and they were acted on in a 
way that created this thing. 

499
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:55,000
That is sort of pretends to be 
the third Republic and is 

500
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,900
actually kind of a little bit 
more like the Soviet Union and 

501
00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:00,700
if you go to Europe, you see 
kind of the next stage of it 

502
00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:03,800
really which is that the 
European commission is just 

503
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,100
accountable to No, MM, European 
Parliament is a joke and a clown

504
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:11,100
show and like, you know, it 
becomes like a California 

505
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:14,300
election, essentially, where 
politics just disappears. 

506
00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:18,600
And, and so, you know, because 
it has just no power at all over

507
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,000
the real government and it stops
being able to pretend and what 

508
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,200
and its last spasms, turn into 
these sort of weird clown shows 

509
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,800
that aren't really connected to 
reality at all, which I think 

510
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,800
are very, you know, very 
interesting and informative. 

511
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,400
And I'm looking forward to a 
very different kind of clown 

512
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,700
show. 
For the next four years. 

513
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:38,600
I think that every I mean, you 
can't have a variety show with a

514
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,000
variety, right? 
And what is the presidency now? 

515
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:44,900
So this is going to be fun. 
This is going to be cool. 

516
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:47,100
This is gonna be interesting. 
I'm psyched. 

517
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:50,700
All right. 
Next question. 

518
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,200
If that answered your last one. 
Yeah. 

519
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,200
So let's just close out on 
Democracy. 

520
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,100
The God That Failed. 
Is there any main thing that I 

521
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:03,300
missed or main point? 
You got from the book that you 

522
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:07,000
wanted to endure anything? 
I think what blew my mind about 

523
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:14,800
that book is that previously I 
had seen nations in this, very 

524
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,300
kind of lockean, anglo-american 
sense, and I hadn't really 

525
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:24,300
understood the world of, you 
know, the kind of classical or, 

526
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,600
you know, classical 
international law or the natural

527
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,200
law of Nations. 
Best best, you know, best 

528
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000
understood and you can just go 
and read but tells law of 

529
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,600
Nations. 
The textbook, the founders used.

530
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,700
It's the classic 18th century 
textbook, really simple and 

531
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:44,600
well-written and I sort of had 
no knowledge of this world or 

532
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,500
this whole like all of 20th 
century international law is 

533
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:51,100
completely fake. 
Basically, it's fake and lame 

534
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:58,300
and when you go back and read, 
you know what Hapa shows you is 

535
00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:01,300
this world where you're like, 
hey, I actually when I look at 

536
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:06,100
these monarchies, I can identify
them as Essentially very much, 

537
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:09,400
like competing corporations. 
There happened to be family 

538
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,000
owned corporations and they're 
competing in a world in which 

539
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,300
ideally, in the old sort of 
world. 

540
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:17,900
There's nothing above them 
international law. 

541
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:22,100
Basically, before the 20th 
century wasn't well over a 

542
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,200
nation. 
It was basically the set of 

543
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,900
rules for by which nations 
themselves decided, how to 

544
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:30,200
behave. 
But the idea of Nations being 

545
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,600
governed by a higher power, 
which is, as you know, the 

546
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,400
international Ready, which is 
essentially sort of Anglo 

547
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:42,000
American Empire was a completely
like it's a contradiction of 

548
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,000
sort of the whole all the 
principles of the old system, 

549
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:49,300
right? 
You know, and and so and of 

550
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:51,600
course, you know, I mean, you 
know, that's pretty hard to miss

551
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,900
these days, right? 
The effects of that but it's a 

552
00:31:53,908 --> 00:31:56,500
sort of an effect at a deep 
level of principle. 

553
00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:00,000
And so this idea that 
essentially a country could be 

554
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,700
owned that it could be 
understood as a piece of 

555
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:07,300
property was Essentially new to 
me, moreover, you know, the 

556
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,200
thing that you realize, you 
know, if the king owns the 

557
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,000
country and therefore uses his 
low time preference to sort of, 

558
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,600
you know, nurture and defend it 
as a king, should then, in a 

559
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,100
sense. 
He's owning not just the land, 

560
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:25,500
he's owning the people, right? 
And so, those people are 

561
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:29,800
essentially assets on his books,
whether you like it or not, 

562
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,600
which is very different from the
sort of traditional classical 

563
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,500
liberal sense that we're all 
familiar with. 

564
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,300
As Libertarians, you're suddenly
like. 

565
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:40,900
Wow, it's not that, it's the 
purpose of the government to 

566
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:45,800
help the people. 
Do, you know, to help the people

567
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,400
enjoy themselves, the government
actually owns the people, which 

568
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,000
makes the people assets of the 
government, which means that one

569
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,500
of the purposes of the 
government is to, you know, 

570
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,300
watch not just the land. 
Flourish, not just the 

571
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:01,300
geographical territory, but 
actually the population should 

572
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:03,600
flourish as well. 
I don't know if you've driven 

573
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,000
around, you know, mmm. 
America today and like looked 

574
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,800
out the window, you know, but I 
think unless outside of a few 

575
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,200
very affluent areas would be 
very hard to make the case. 

576
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,700
That what you're looking at here
is a flourishing country. 

577
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,700
Right? 
And so, you know, you're 

578
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:23,400
basically like, you know, from 
the perspective of, you know, a 

579
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,600
Frederick the great or someone, 
you know, the government of the 

580
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,600
United States, gets a very poor 
grade from the perspective of 

581
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:35,700
Premiere G. 
Or, you know, the The government

582
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:38,600
gets a very poor grade from the 
perspective of Singapore or the 

583
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,400
government's very gets a very 
poor grade. 

584
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,200
Right? 
And so you're basically seeing 

585
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:44,900
you're looking at this thing and
you're like this is getting a 

586
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:49,000
poor grade and I think that one 
of the things Libertarians 

587
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,200
should, you know, remember is 
they're looking at this system. 

588
00:33:54,300 --> 00:34:00,500
And, you know, when you judge 
like when Libertarians think 

589
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:04,400
about government, they should 
remand power and the use of 

590
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,600
power. 
What they should remember is 

591
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,699
that they're seeing these things
that they're worse because 

592
00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:12,699
they're seeing these mechanisms,
for example, say tariffs, you 

593
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:15,199
know, when you think about 
tariffs you think about them 

594
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,300
being used by a basically, 
corrupt government in a 

595
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:21,400
basically corrupt way for 
basically, corrupt reasons. 

596
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,500
And so when you see a lot of 
this and anyone who's like 

597
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:27,699
looked at like say the use of 
tariffs and say Latin America in

598
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:31,100
the post war, you know 20th 
century, anyone sort of familiar

599
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:34,500
with that history is going to be
like, well, this is basically a 

600
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:38,199
very Very disgusting instrument 
because I only see it being used

601
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,600
for disgusting things in 
disgusting ways. 

602
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,600
And my answer to those people 
would be, you know, the only 

603
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,100
problem with what you're doing 
here is you're looking your 

604
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:48,800
sample is not well distributed 
because you're looking at a very

605
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,699
narrow piece of history that has
the same problem for very narrow

606
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:56,199
reasons. 
And what you should think about 

607
00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:00,500
is not how this tool was used by
Brazil in the 1970s. 

608
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:03,600
But by how it was used by 
Elizabeth the first in the 

609
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,400
1580s, You know, because those 
people are real too, you know, 

610
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,000
and and they're just as real as 
been as the, you know, the 1980s

611
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,100
man, you know, and and that's 
something that I think a lot of 

612
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:18,400
Libertarians forget they sort of
privileged the present and the 

613
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,100
near present above all of 
history. 

614
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:24,600
And that's another habit that, 
you know, Professor help a help 

615
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,400
break me up. 
So thank you. 

616
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,500
Professor help out because that 
was really a that was very 

617
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:31,200
reading that book. 
I've asked for a lot of people 

618
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,200
was very formative for me.