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Thank you, Patrick for having 
me. 

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Thank you. 
Mr. Kinsella for joining us. 

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So I just want to start off with
definitions in 2003 Stephan. 

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Kinsella, in the Journal of 
libertarian, studies defined a 

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contract. 
As a relation between two or 

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more parties which includes 
legally enforceable obligations 

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between them, breach of 
contract. 

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I have defined as an 
unjustifiable failure to perform

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under the terms of a contract 
when performance is do and the 

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Merriam-Webster dictionary of a 
meeting of the minds, which is 

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an understanding or agreement 
between two people or groups. 

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So imagine if you have a 
landscaper coming to your house 

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and you say, hey, how much do 
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He says, 50 bucks. 
You say that works. 

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The guy does it. 
And you say, all right. 

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Well, I now have you in my will 
for $50. 

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So when I die in, you know, 2060
hundred years, then you will get

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the $50. 
Technically, you did not specify

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an exact time in which you would
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Maybe you said after the work is
done. 

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Well in 50 years from now, it 
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done. 
But this gets us into this 

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trivial technicality child's 
game of. 

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Well, you didn't technically say
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believe, Tech Giants such as 
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That's sort of like the robber 
barons trying to belittle them. 

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Let's just say Twitter Facebook 
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organizations are engaged in 
when they try and get you on 

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some little technicality. 
Another way we could have this 

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is, let's say, you go to Red 
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the menu, but in the fine print 
on the menu, it says, anyone who

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orders something we get to 
charge a thousand extra dollars 

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to their credit card, for a 
well-being fee, for the 

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well-being of the nation and 
everyone around them. 

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This again is a breach of Even 
if there is technically a way 

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out for them to justify their 
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You also have explicit 
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Jack Dorsey who October 5th, 
2015 saying, Twitter stands for 

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freedom of expression. 
We stand for speaking, truth to 

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power, we stand for empowering 
dialogue. 

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Another words in order to 
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the platform, put effort into 
putting their content on here. 

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He's saying, well will allow you
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you know, Violate things like 
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totally giving out someone's 
information to the point where 

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they're in danger cuz you know, 
there's some antifa person 

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following anyone. 
This I would also I wouldn't say

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it's an explicit breach, but 
this is a general meeting of the

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minds. 
So if you order something from a

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restaurant and then they hand 
you the bill and you say I never

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said I would pay. 
Well, there's a general 

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understanding. 
I think this General 

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understanding or meeting of the 
minds should apply between users

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of the Forms as well as the 
platform owners. 

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So all you would really have to 
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If you wanted to say something 
like, we can ban anyone, or we 

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can exclude people who are, you 
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anything else, you would just 
have to, you would have an 

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obligation to make that very 
clear and upfront. 

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We see this in the market all 
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in Arizona. 
There's a big sign that says no 

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refunds, no exchanges all sales 
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You sometimes get warnings on. 
Google Drive warning, the trash 

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is changing in the next 30 days.
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different. 
You have don't touch signs. 

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You have no picture signs there.
So instead of, you know them 

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trying to get you on a 
technicality, waiting for you to

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do something. 
They're explicitly telling you, 

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here's the idea. 
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out and said, yet, we only 
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We only platform left-wingers. 
And anyone who questions the 

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election anyone in the future, 
we're going to ban you. 

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If they said that before you 
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I would think that it's more 
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So the existence of these Bad 
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justifies the existence of a 
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right to initiate aggression 
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Justified the state arranging 
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So the last thing we want to do 
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regulation, you have examples of
even the government in America 

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that has to follow the First 
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Well, you have examples of L 
Paul Bremer ordering the US. 

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Military to Outlaw in Iraqi 
newspaper. 

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You have the Kent State 
murderers where the Ohio 

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National Guard killed four 
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Vietnam. 
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Administration, using the 
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whistleblowers Snowden Assange, 
Manning Thomas, Drake James 

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Rosen. 
Geoff Sterling, you have 

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operation Mockingbird where 
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the media. 
So, I am, I'm saying, one. 

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We need to recognize this as 
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thing we need to do is Advocate 
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Colonel Anthony Schaefer's. 
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Dark heart was silenced by the 
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Also you have regulatory capture
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written by some of the most 
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property in Jekyll Island. 
I don't think we need to call 

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them monopolies that we should 
fear Myspace, Blockbuster, see 

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our Starbucks. 
Those were all terrible 

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monopolies. 
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know, Alternatives, end up 
coming up only. 60 companies in 

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the Fortune 500, we're also in 
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1955 and 2016. 
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Another reason we should reject 
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impact of regulatory costs on 
small firms by Nicole, Crane and

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Mark crane. 
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the US small business 
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Corporation defined as 500 
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seventy seven hundred dollars 
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Firms. 20 employees are less 
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hundred dollars per employee per
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The last thing I want people to 
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are engaging in immoral 
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to regulate them. 
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all day long like Raytheon 
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military industrial complex 
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intervention. 
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or relationships without saying 
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Violently dominate marriages, 
the solution I think, is for us 

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to go to Alternatives such as 
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Odyssey.com. 
Minds.com locals.com is a good 

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replacement for patreon. 
Start page is a good replacement

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for Google along with 
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good option for people leaving 
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probably my favorite for people 
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So generally you see the pattern
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know. 
Slavery. 

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Advocates have tried to silence 
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Advocates. 
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Molyneux, the conscious 
resistance World art alternative

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media. 
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contract because it does not 
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Although not explicit and 
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a technicality in the terms of 
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I think it's on libertarian 
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this voluntary. 
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Therefore, it should be seen as 
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is to get on Alternatives And 
subscribe to our favorite 

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content creators. 
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So there's a lot of there's 
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in this kitchen or at least to 
the and so I I don't want to let

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me lay out my little two minute 
position, then I'll give it to 

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kinsella. 
So basically, the meeting of the

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minds thing is what a contract 
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clarify, the gray areas around 
what people would have in their 

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heads, subjectively coming away 
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walk up. 
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somebody you shake hands. 
You walk away and instantly you 

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have potential conflicts 
because, you know, how can we be

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sure. 
What was in the other guy's 

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head. 
How can we be sure what their 

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version of the meeting of the 
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Well, well, we write it down. 
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And so when you have something 
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best explanation, for what the 
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I can't write something down, 
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you off. 
My servers, anytime I want for 

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any reason I want and oh, I can 
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will kick you off my servers 
anytime I want and that's 

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written in black and white. 
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sort of wash away the words that
I took the time to write out 

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explicitly for you by saying. 
Oh, well, that's not what was in

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my head when I started using 
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And then finally, I'll say It's 
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And so at any time, they can 
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want to continue allowing. 
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property, especially if it said 
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like if you are renting my house
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that says, you know, I I can end
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any time I want. 
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maybe five years living here and
fixing up your room and painting

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the walls and arranging your 
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used to using it. 
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that said I could have picked 
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reason. 
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me to let you use my property 
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at least in that way. 
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I will, let's toss it to mr. 
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What do you have to say? 
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All right. 
I think we're going to have to 

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go through libertarian theory of
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this out. 
But a couple of preliminary 

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comments, it guys, feel free to 
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be a long sort of mini lecture 
and I don't want to dominate too

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much. 
Those are the best kinds. 

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First of all, we're talking 
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And so, I would say, first of 
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understanding of contracts and 
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It's Not unlimber tarian to 
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I'm not even sure it's a 
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aggression. 
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certain consequences under the 
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libertarian principles, but it's
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libertarian to breach a contract
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Just means if you breach, it, 
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consequences. 
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monetary damages for breach. 
So it's not a Libertarian to 

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breach a contract at all. 
So the question is Is this 

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breach of contract? 
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Keith in my 2003 article, which 
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It was basically an elaboration 
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Evers view of contract. 
The part you quoted was not my 

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view or rothbard's do you. 
I was just stating what the 

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conventional view of contracts 
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So the conventional view 
contrary X, you prevalent in the

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law today, and the view that 
most laymen hold, would you guys

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sort of seem to hold two? 
That we view contracts as 

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obligations or binding promises,
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So you promise to do something 
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way with certain formalities, 
like consideration or 

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detrimental Reliance or other 
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then that obligation or that 
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It's a binding obligation and 
then that gives rise to the guy 

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if you have, which means if you 
don't perform the obligation 

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that you promise to perform, 
then that's a breach. 

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And then Images have to be paid 
according to the the 

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consequences of that breach, to 
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the obligation. 
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contract. 
There's many problems with it. 

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One problem is that leads to 
voluntary slavery contracts? 

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Because if I promise to be your 
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slave. 
And if I don't, I'm a breach of 

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contract, and theoretically 
force can be used against me to 

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make me comply. 
That's called a specific 

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performance in contract law, 
rothbard came along. 

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And had a wrote one of his 
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I think was his reformulation of
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It's usually attributed to 
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rothbart expanded upon. 
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quote, some blog posts and, and 
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Bill Evers on my, on my website,
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talked to him about that. 
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late, 1974 stall, the glimmers 
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law. 
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Evers wrote his Pioneering 
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And then So basically Evers in 
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different view of contracts, 
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And the reason for that is that 
prom promises are just free 

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speech. 
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force can be used is only us to 
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aggression. 
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And if I just make a promise to 
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committing forests. 
So no force is used as Justified

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against me. 
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theory of contract, makes no 
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of view. 
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does, on a backup Theory, the 
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relies upon that statement to 
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like an enforceable promise 
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if you don't perform what you 
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Now they're going to be harmed 
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course is circular too. 
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out in his long, his own theory 
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conventional view. 
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detrimental Reliance view of 
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circular because the law always 
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reasonable, okay, but Reliance 
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If the law doesn't enforce 
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it doesn't make them binding. 
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Like if the You know, the laws 
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else said enforceable, then it's
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So we don't need the question 
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enforceable, if promises are not
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don't give rise to binding 
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reasonable to rely upon it and 
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them binding in the first place.
So what rothbart says look we 

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have to step back and think 
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libertarianism. 
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All human rights are all right. 
It's our human rights and all 

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human rights are property rights
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people is always a clash of 
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physical things of the world. 
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either. 
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cooperation Nation, dilution 
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violence and force, right? 
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other people's body or against 
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Like, if someone steals my 
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it back or if they if they They 
physically attacked my body. 

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I might use physical Force to 
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them away. 
So it's always about physical 

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force, and all property rights 
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human beings used to control 
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So the fundamental concept of 
all libertarianism is rights and

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All rights are property rights. 
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property not contract. 
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Owning a resource simply means 
that you have the right to you 

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have the exclusive, right? 
Right to decide who gets to use 

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it. 
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So that's called a self owner. 
So I own my body for various 

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reasons and libertarian Theory, 
and I also own physical scarce 

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resources that I come to acquire
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the state of nature because 
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an apple or a piece of land or 
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pond, something like that. 
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or a limb of from a tree that I 
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things like that. 
So, or that, I acquired previous

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owner by what by contract or in 
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transfer of ownership. 
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So contract is just the exercise
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decision of the owner about 
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other people to use your 
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You can even think of that as 
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So, for example, if I invite a 
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Is me, it's not assault and 
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It's consented to by me. 
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get to, but on the other hand, 
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a type of assault and battery 
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into my house, it's consent. 
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law. 
License is granted its 

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permission. 
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or Grant permission and also you
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case of alienable owned 
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Is like a car or a home. 
You can you can State words that

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indicate your intention to Grant
consent for someone to have it 

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forever. 
In other words, you effectively 

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abandoned your ownership of that
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That's why the only 2 ways to 
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either by finding it. 
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unowned or by contract actually 
creation, is not a source of 

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ownership. 
You can't own something because 

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you created, because you can 
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Arranging materials into a new 
form, but you either had to own 

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those materials before or you 
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If you do, then you own the 
thing that you rearrange it 

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into. 
Because you own, the raw, 

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materials, the factors of 
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And if you didn't, then you 
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So like an employee on an 
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Henry, Ford does not own the 
cars that come off of it, Contra

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the labor theory of value in the
Marxist who think he does, 

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that's why he's exploited. 
When there's a profit made and 

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some of his labor, Surplus value
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By the evil greedy capitalist. 
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So all this ties in together. 
So, basically, under my theory 

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and under off towards. 
I don't think he stated it 

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clearly. 
There is no such thing as breach

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of contract because there's no 
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obligations are out the window. 
That's a, that's a legal concept

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and that's an old-fashioned 
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And by the way, even the law 
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as binding obligations because 
they almost never award. 

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What's called specific 
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So if I promise to do something 
for you, like the paint, your 

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fence, or to sing at your 
wedding, or something like that.

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And I fail to do it, they call 
it a breach, but the court won't

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compel me with a coercive threat
of force, to sing at the 

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wedding, or to paint the fence. 
They will simply order me to pay

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some monetary. 
Damages to the party that I've 

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reached measured by how much 
damage or harm I did to them. 

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All right, that's called 
consequential. 

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Damages what the consequences 
are. 

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So in reality even An under the 
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theory of contract. 
They're really only transfers of

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title to property which is what 
rothbart thinks contracts are 

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only transfers of title to 
property or you could think of 

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them. 
As I said, a pro license or 

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permission to use your property.
Like I can let you borrow my 

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car. 
I can let you come into my house

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to have dinner with me something
like that, or I can let you come

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into my restaurant to have a 
meal or I can let you come into 

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my shopping mall to shop and buy
clothes, Etc. 

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Okay, but just as the girl, who 
agrees to let her date, kiss her

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at any time on the date. 
She can change her mind at any 

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Towing time because she still 
owns her body, and when she 

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changes her mind and he kisses 
her. 

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Anyway, he can't say I have 
consent because earlier, she 

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promised, she would, let me kiss
her because she changed her 

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mind. 
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most recent consent by changing 
her mind. 

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She doesn't violate his rights. 
Okay, in fact, he violates her 

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rights by kissing her without 
his consent. 

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Likewise if I invite you into my
home. 

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You're not committing trespass 
because you're there by 

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permission. 
But if I change my mind and 

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eject you, then I'm not 
violating your rights and I 

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could do that without having 
fine print on a contract saying 

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what I invite you into my home. 
I reserve the right to kick you 

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out. 
The presumption is that I have 

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that right all the time because 
I'm always the owner. 

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So I can always change my mind 
in a contract to transfer 

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ownership of property. 
Let's take a service contract. 

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I promise to paint your fence. 
Now, this is under rothbart's 

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and my Re you want me to paint 
your fence and you're going to 

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pay me a thousand dollars to do 
it. 

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So most people view that as an 
exchange or trade because 

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economically it is like I'm 
getting the value of the money 

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and the and the customer is 
getting the value of my services

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and therefore people think of 
services as being sold. 

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Okay, which is and then they 
start you thinking of services 

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is being a known thing and 
therefore you can sell your 

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labor and therefore if you own 
your labor you can only Ideas 

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and intellectual property comes 
from this, but this is a 

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confusion in a normal exchange. 
I exchange an Apple for an 

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orange. 
There is a bilateral, Mutual 

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exchange of titles. 
Two titles are being exchanged, 

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both reciprocal and dependent 
upon each other, but not all 

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contracts. 
And that's an economic exchange 

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and illegal exchange. 
But in a contract for sale of 

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services, it's only illegal 
exchange. 

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I'm sorry. 
It's only an economic exchange 

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and that just means the 
motivations of the actors are 

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explained this. 
Sway. 

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The reason why I give you my 
services, why I paint your fence

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is to get the money. 
The reason why you give me the 

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money is to get my services. 
Okay, so that's just the reason 

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you're explaining the reasons Of
Human Action. 

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The purpose but legally, there's
only one title exchange. 

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That is this exchange of the 
money, the transfer of the money

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from the customer to me when I 
paint his fence. 

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I don't transfer any owned 
object to him. 

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I simply perform and an action 
that he desires me to perform. 

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He induces me too. 
Permit by transferring 

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conditionally. 
Some of his money to me. 

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So, and so on. 
Okay. 

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This is how we do contracts. 
And so, in that case, if I fail 

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to paint the fence, it's not a 
breach. 

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It's just that I don't perform 
the action. 

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That's the conditional trigger 
for the transfer of money to me.

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I just failed to perform. 
One of the triggers are the 

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conditions that would transfer 
the money to me. 

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Remember the transfer of money. 
The one thousand dollar payment 

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is conditional. 
It's a future based conditional 

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transfer of title. 
That's Upon me performing, a 

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certain action. 
If I don't perform that action, 

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then I'm not in breach. 
Now if the customer wants to be 

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sure that I paint the fence 
because he needs it painted 

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before a party. 
And if I back out, it's going to

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harm him. 
Then we can put in the contract,

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another transfer of title, which
is me, the painter. 

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I conditionally transfer some 
money to him, which we can call 

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damages in the event that I 
don't paint the fence. 

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So that gives me an economic 
incentive to actually perform. 

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And if I don't perform For my 
owe money to the customer. 

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Okay. 
Now that's what would happen 

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under the standard conventional 
view of contracts. 

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I would be viewed as being in 
breach and I would have to pay 

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damages to the customer. 
But under the title transfer 

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Theory, we just have a condition
in the contract that I have to. 

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He has to pay me money if I 
paint, and if I fail to paint, I

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have to pay him money. 
Okay. 

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Now we can do to negotiate that 
explicitly or we can we can we 

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can leave it up to custom, which
fills in gaps. 

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In contracts. 
Now Patrick you implied that 

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contracts are written contracts 
or not, always written. 

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It. 
Don't have to be written quite 

456
00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:20,200
often. 
They're written and quite often.

457
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,700
The writing is the best evidence
is the term. 

458
00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:24,400
You were looking for. 
When you said best something 

459
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,500
else. 
It is often the best evidence of

460
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:31,400
what the meeting of the minds 
is, but it's not always because 

461
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,500
sometimes you can have a 
simulation or fake contract or 

462
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:38,400
sometimes you can have an oral 
or verbal agreement outside that

463
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,300
written, which contradicts that 
That or fills it in or changes 

464
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:42,800
something. 
And that would be the contract. 

465
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,400
Then contracts can be verbal and
they don't even need to be 

466
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,600
verbal. 
They can be purely. 

467
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,500
Non non non verbal, for example,
if I'm in France and I don't 

468
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:56,200
speak, French my newspaper or 
candy bar. 

469
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,800
I pointed the candy bar on the 
Shelf. 

470
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,900
He understands my meaning. 
He hands it to me. 

471
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:05,100
I give him, I give him a Euro 
and we make the exchange and I 

472
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:08,500
walk away. 
So, in all contracts, there is 

473
00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:11,200
what's called communication. 
So that's what's that's what's 

474
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,500
the best? 
That's where the meeting of the 

475
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:15,100
minds idea comes about. 
So all contracts involve 

476
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:17,100
communication. 
And the reason they evolve 

477
00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:20,700
communication is because all 
contracts involve at least one 

478
00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:24,000
transfer of title to Resource. 
And again, the owner of a 

479
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
resource. 
The property owner of the 

480
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,400
resource has the right to Grant 
or deny someone else the right 

481
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,700
to use it or to even sell it 
completely. 

482
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:37,900
But that requires some kind of 
manifestation of their consent. 

483
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,900
It requires a communication, but
that Be done by your action. 

484
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,400
It could be done by a written 
agreement or can be done by even

485
00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:50,000
people being silent and assuming
that the background set of 

486
00:25:50,008 --> 00:25:53,800
assumptions and condition 
implicit customs and traditions 

487
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,200
in the area are going to be used
to fill in any uncertainties. 

488
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,400
And by the way, all contracts, 
even written ones that are 100 

489
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,800
pages long. 
They always are incomplete 

490
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,200
because the future is uncertain,
and it's never possible to 

491
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,500
account for every possible thing
that might happen. 

492
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:14,000
So, We contract either 
explicitly or implicitly has to 

493
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:19,000
has to presuppose good faith 
between the parties and the 

494
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,900
willingness to resort to some 
kind of what we call. 

495
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:25,900
Gap-filler principles are 
supportive, Provisions to solve 

496
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:29,000
a dispute, when it wasn't 
provided for explicitly in the 

497
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,200
oral Communications, or in the 
writing, the written contract. 

498
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,600
And so normally that's what's 
going on customarily or which 

499
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,600
reasonable or what a jury would 
say, or what? 

500
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:44,000
Would arbitrator would say, 
okay, so I have nothing against 

501
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,600
implicit Provisions in contracts
at all. 

502
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:50,900
Which Keith was talking about. 
However, I do think that some 

503
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:53,700
fine print in contracts is 
probably not enforceable and 

504
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:57,800
I've got an article on this, on 
my website, you know, if you 

505
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,200
just do a click through a click,
click through type agreement on 

506
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,300
a website to accept their 
services and buried in Clause 

507
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:09,300
128, which no one reads is a 
provision saying, by the way, 

508
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:11,400
you owe me. 
Million dollars for life. 

509
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,500
That's not going to be 
enforceable because there was 

510
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:16,600
really no meeting of the minds. 
And the other side knows that 

511
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,900
they just snuck it in there. 
It's not in good faith. 

512
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:22,000
And so, I don't think that the 
writing should be 100% 

513
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,000
dispositive of the actual 
meeting of the minds, because 

514
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,500
there can be unreasonable 
Provisions in these contracts. 

515
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:33,500
So now we come to the question 
of using a social media 

516
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:38,600
platform, like a like Google or 
or Facebook or Twitter or 

517
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,700
YouTube. 
And I don't think there's a 

518
00:27:42,708 --> 00:27:45,800
contract at all except in the 
sense of inviting someone to 

519
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,700
your house. 
Okay, so they're basically 

520
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:52,300
allowing you to use their 
services as long as they want 

521
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:54,800
and they can kick you out at any
time just like you can kick a 

522
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,600
rude dinner guests out of your 
house it anytime even if you 

523
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,600
didn't post a notice saying I 
reserve the right to eject rude 

524
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,400
dinner guests they can change. 
And by the way, I believe the 

525
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,400
terms of service of all these 
platforms probably do have a 

526
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,800
provision anyway, and there are 
saying we've reserved the right 

527
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,100
to Modified these terms at any 
time in our discretion. 

528
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:14,500
So they already have that in 
there. 

529
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:18,500
Anyway, so the question is, is 
there a breach of contract at 

530
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:21,200
all. 
I mean, there's no transfer of 

531
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,000
title. 
They're not demanding monetary 

532
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,000
payment from you as a customer. 
Usually, these are free services

533
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000
anyway, so there's no transfer 
talk. 

534
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,600
There's no transfer of title 
from you, the customer to them. 

535
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,200
You're not paying them anything.
They're not transferring any 

536
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,200
kind of title to you to 
anything. 

537
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:39,500
They're simply letting you use 
their servers. 

538
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:41,800
Temporarily. 
And as long as they want to, 

539
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,400
okay, the only way there could 
be a breach of contract would be

540
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,900
if you paid them. 
And there was a written 

541
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,600
agreement or some kind of 
agreement where they promise. 

542
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:59,700
Just a matter of time, no matter
what, but they would never do 

543
00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:00,800
that. 
Anyway, they would always 

544
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,800
reserve the right to kick you 
off and maybe they would have to

545
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,200
refund you your your remaining 
subscription amount of something

546
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,400
like that. 
But again, it wouldn t, be 

547
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,900
breach of contract it but just 
be a contractually, negotiate, a

548
00:29:11,908 --> 00:29:14,800
transfer of title to this 
monetary payment or to the 

549
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,000
refund of a monetary payment. 
That was already made. 

550
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,000
Let me see if I have any other 
notes Here. 

551
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,900
I wanted to get to. 
I don't know. 

552
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,300
If we're going to have time to 
or should touch on this 

553
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:29,200
argument, a lot of people be 
making about regulations which 

554
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,400
centers around the CDA in the 
dmca the communications. 

555
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,400
Decency Act and the Digital 
Millennium Copyright Act of the 

556
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:42,400
late 90s under Bill Clinton, 
which basically gave us Safe par

557
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,100
vertices platforms like isps, 
and now these other platforms 

558
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:53,100
like YouTube and Facebook and 
Google and Twitter, and blogs 

559
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:56,100
blogging platforms, which 
basically Exempted them from 

560
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:59,200
liability for defamation, 
basically, in the case of the 

561
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,000
CDA. 
And for copyright infringement, 

562
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,500
in the case of the dmca done by 
their users, so long as they 

563
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:10,500
take down the offending content,
in the case of copyright. 

564
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,200
When they're asked to buy the 
alleged copyright holder, which 

565
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,400
is why YouTube has this strikes 
thing where they can get, they 

566
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,600
can remove your content. 
If someone complains, they have 

567
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,700
to do that, to maintain their 
safe, Safe Harbor of liability. 

568
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,500
And many people claim that, 
that's an unfair privilege. 

569
00:30:25,500 --> 00:30:29,000
Granted to these companies 
because they are acting more, 

570
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,300
like, Publishers instead of 
neutral platforms, like the 

571
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:34,900
telephone company is, and 
they're actually starting to 

572
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:38,900
edit to censor and edit and 
maintain content control over 

573
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:41,600
what's being posted. 
And that was Part of the deal. 

574
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:44,700
However, that is a conventional 
mainstream view that we 

575
00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:49,400
Libertarians can't make because 
defamation law shouldn't exist 

576
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,100
in the first place. 
No one should be liable for 

577
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:53,500
defamation at all and copyright 
shouldn't exist. 

578
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:55,600
So no one should be liable for 
that in the first place. 

579
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:57,800
So it's not an unfair probe, 
which granted to these 

580
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,700
companies. 
They shouldn't be. 

581
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:02,900
I mean, if you argued that, the 
CD A Safe Harbor and the dmca 

582
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:05,100
Safe Harbor should be removed 
from these companies, because 

583
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:08,000
they're acting like Publishers. 
Not as mere neutral platforms. 

584
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,900
Now, what you're saying is the 
state should come in and And 

585
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:14,400
impose defamation and copyright 
liability on them for the bike, 

586
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,100
for the vicariously, for the 
acts of their subscribers. 

587
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:21,600
Or the Customers go by wrong. 
They should be immune from 

588
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,000
liability for these actions 
since these these laws are 

589
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000
completely unjust in on 
libertarian. 

590
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:28,900
So I would agree that they 
shouldn't be regulated for that 

591
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,900
reason as well. 
And I also agree with Keith 

592
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:33,500
that. 
Yeah, the solution is to just 

593
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:35,900
wish to other platforms and 
that's what that's the ultimate 

594
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:37,100
threat. 
And I think these companies are 

595
00:31:37,108 --> 00:31:41,800
harming themselves right now 
because they're going to they're

596
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,400
going to lose big time. 
If people start fleeing because 

597
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,100
their Monopoly their networking,
Mark Monopoly position is Not 

598
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:51,500
guaranteed as you see, with my 
space and with what were the 

599
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:57,200
others that that have crumbled 
in the past, you know, and that 

600
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,900
have fallen to the current, the 
current holders of these of 

601
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:04,900
these. 
Yes, I think me, we and locals 

602
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:06,700
and all these others are a big 
threat to them. 

603
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:09,600
And they're gonna, they might 
lose their Monopoly. 

604
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:15,000
If they keep acting like, you 
know, Tech liberal sensor 

605
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,100
idiots, who piss off their 
customers. 

606
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,800
So, okay, and I still don't see 
why don't we all go? 

607
00:32:21,808 --> 00:32:23,000
Okay. 
I'll stop here. 

608
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,300
Go ahead. 
Oh, no, it's fine. 

609
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:27,900
It's fine. 
So I wanted to kind of do one 

610
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:31,300
more around the table on this 
and then I also have prepared if

611
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:35,600
we want to or have time for it. 
I have a few paragraphs from 

612
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,400
Jeff diced of the mises 
institute on their recent 

613
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,300
Banning on why it son 
libertarian for them to do so 

614
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,900
and I also have molyneux's 
argument written down here. 

615
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:51,600
So Maybe, maybe Keith. 
And I do one more round table, 

616
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,000
like, circle around with this. 
And then depending on how the 

617
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,300
conversation looks, we can also 
rope in these other arguments 

618
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:01,600
that we've heard. 
My comments, are that I pretty 

619
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,700
much agree with everything that 
you've said on contract law as 

620
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:10,400
well as Rowdy, the conceptions 
as as presented, especially the 

621
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,600
part. 
The part that I was looking for 

622
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,400
you to present was the part 
where, if you expect damages to 

623
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,600
come out of not fulfilling the 
terms of a contract that you 

624
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:20,700
have to put that in the 
contract. 

625
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:23,700
So if I don't perform the 
action, I agreed to what 

626
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:26,100
happens, that has to be part of 
the contract. 

627
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:29,800
Otherwise, otherwise, let me, 
let me make one clarification. 

628
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,200
Let me make one clarification 
there. 

629
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,700
I don't think you have to put it
in the contract, explicitly. 

630
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:37,800
I think it's a good idea. 
I think I do believe there are 

631
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,300
implicit there can be implicit 
terms of contracts. 

632
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,300
It depends upon the custom and 
the, and the kind of default 

633
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:47,800
understanding of the parties. 
It's just harder to prove. 

634
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:51,200
Um, but in that case, you would 
say, is part of the contract 

635
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,700
issue. 
It was just implicit. 

636
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,700
And the let's see. 
I think I had three notes. 

637
00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:59,700
That was the first one. 
The second one was I didn't mean

638
00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:02,600
to imply that written contracts 
with the only valid one. 

639
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:05,200
Right? 
I just meant that it was the 

640
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,199
Prime purpose of making it a 
written contract was kind of 

641
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,400
twofold one to make the terms 
more explicit and to to sort of 

642
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,400
freeze those terms in time. 
So that, you know, there's a 

643
00:34:15,408 --> 00:34:18,500
point in time where you can 
prove at least what part of the 

644
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:22,300
agreement was. 
And then the third note was, I 

645
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:25,100
think I disagree with you on the
Million dollars in the fine 

646
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:28,000
print thing, and maybe that's a 
conversation for another day, 

647
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,199
because it's not really germane 
to the social media, Banning 

648
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,400
stuff. 
But our, maybe it is. 

649
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,600
I think if, if, if I go out of 
my way to write something down 

650
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,000
and it's just like, I don't 
know, through laziness on the 

651
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,500
part of the person signing the 
contract that they don't, that 

652
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,300
they aren't aware of the terms. 
Like, what's the point in 

653
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:48,400
writing this stuff down. 
If we're not going to be held to

654
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,199
the terms of the things that we 
wrote down. 

655
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,600
Oh, I just didn't read that. 
Like what I don't understand 

656
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,100
that. 
Maybe you can speak to that more

657
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:57,200
or if it's going to be a longer 
term thing. 

658
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,300
If it's if it's a longer 
conversation, I'm happy to 

659
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:00,700
invite you back and we can dive 
into it. 

660
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:02,700
Then. 
Those are my three things. 

661
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,000
Keith. 
Do you want to have? 

662
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:06,100
Why don't you have your 
response? 

663
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:09,100
Then? 
We'll go back to stiffen here. 

664
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:12,500
Yeah. 
I just want to get clarification

665
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:14,300
by mr. 
Kinsella. 

666
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:20,400
Do you agree that libertarianism
rothbard organism is a sucess 

667
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,800
systematic law code derived by 
means of logical. 

668
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:26,400
Abduction. 
From a single principle being 

669
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,700
original appropriation ownership
of scarce resources. 

670
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:33,200
The right of an exclusive 
control over scarce resources 

671
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,900
private property. 
More or less? 

672
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:40,300
Yeah, more or less. 
Okay. 

673
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,900
So the last part. 
Yes. 

674
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:45,600
Yeah. 
So my reasoning is that original

675
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,100
appropriation is the foundation 
of libertarianism which brings 

676
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:52,100
us to the ownership of One's Own
body. 

677
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,900
You have an objective link 
because you have direct control 

678
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:58,100
over it. 
Only others can indirectly 

679
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:01,500
control your body by first 
directly exercising their own 

680
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:05,700
scarce resources, their body. 
This gives us the right to 

681
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,500
Across acquire property through 
the homesteading. 

682
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:12,000
Original appropriation principle
by having a better claim to 

683
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,800
being the first Comer. 
This then gives us the right to 

684
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,200
delegate the property. 
Once we are the rightful owners 

685
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,900
and such delegation can include 
an easement such as giving you 

686
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:30,400
an easement to my servers and 
thus, giving me an obligation to

687
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,500
respect that agreement because I
voluntarily made the decision to

688
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:37,300
create. 
Create such a general 

689
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:41,300
understanding to give you access
to my scarce resources under 

690
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,300
General. 
Generally recognized terms, does

691
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:50,200
my logic fall short there. 
I think in principle, that's a 

692
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,500
good argument. 
Now imagine what? 

693
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:59,700
No, go ahead. 
I was going to say well the 

694
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:04,100
analogy that I would use it 
really is the fact that people 

695
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:08,900
put so much effort into building
their content on these platforms

696
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:11,100
under the assumption. 
They'll be there. 

697
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,600
So long as you don't start 
posting, you know, pornographic 

698
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,300
images of people under age 
advocating violence Etc. 

699
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,700
So imagine I invite a ton of 
people to my house for Wedding. 

700
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:25,700
And I just say, you know what, 
you don't have to pay me. 

701
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:28,700
I like you guys, come over. 
So, everyone gets a plane 

702
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:31,700
ticket, everyone flies out and I
say, you know what? 

703
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:35,500
I heard the groom voted for 
Trump, the day that everyone is 

704
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:37,000
there waiting to come in and I 
go. 

705
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:40,600
Now, I'm going to exclude you. 
Now it met your previous 

706
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,300
criteria of, well, they're not 
accepting payment from you, but 

707
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:47,800
it's not the payment, it is the 
general understanding between 

708
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,600
the two parties that creates an 
obligation on me the homeowner. 

709
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:56,500
So this is Sort of the analogy 
that I come to, when trying to 

710
00:37:56,500 --> 00:38:00,500
understand the principal 
justification for determining a 

711
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:04,100
moral exclusion of property. 
The right to exclude people from

712
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,900
platforms and the immoral 
exclusion. 

713
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:12,500
Well, okay, so that argument is 
probably the best one you can 

714
00:38:12,508 --> 00:38:16,500
make. 
So, theoretically, if Facebook. 

715
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:22,600
So this idea that you own your, 
your, your domain, or you owner.

716
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,200
Page on Facebook is not coherent
in libertarian terms because you

717
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,600
can only own scarce resources. 
So really, really the only thing

718
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,200
that's owned here are the 
physical computers that Facebook

719
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,800
owns. 
Now they're connected to the 

720
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,700
internet and they do certain 
things, but they own their 

721
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,600
servers. 
That's all they own, right? 

722
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,800
And all you own is your computer
and in theory, Facebook could 

723
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,500
Grant an easement to a customer 
which they give an effect 

724
00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:52,500
partial ownership. 
Partial. 

725
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:54,800
Cool. 
Actual ownership of those 

726
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,800
servers to their customers. 
Okay. 

727
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,000
So in that case, then if 
Facebook denies me access to it.

728
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,600
They're actually committing a 
type of trespass to me by taking

729
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,900
my property from me or denying 
me access to my property which 

730
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:07,500
is part of the part of their 
server. 

731
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:10,300
You can you have this in 
community and neighborhoods when

732
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:15,100
people restrictive covenants in 
neighborhoods, like associations

733
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:17,400
where everyone agrees not to use
their house for certain 

734
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,900
purposes, or for a business or 
to paint it, a garish color, 

735
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:26,900
they all In usually Riding Hood 
pretty and in those types of 

736
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,900
anything. 
Any agreement affecting real 

737
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:32,500
property. 
Typically that is physical land 

738
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:35,300
or homes attached to. 
It has to be done in writing. 

739
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:37,700
That's the parol evidence rule 
or something like this that you 

740
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:43,300
statute of frauds. 
You can grant a permanent 

741
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:46,000
easement. 
Okay, so you would have to argue

742
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,100
that there is an easement 
granted by Facebook to their 

743
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,800
servers, to their customers. 
Now, it's not in writing. 

744
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:55,000
I can guarantee you that. 
So you'd have to say it's 

745
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,000
implicit by the understanding of
the parties because of the 

746
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,100
arguments, you gave, if you 
could go to a tribunal and and 

747
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:07,000
persuade a jury, or the 
arbitrator's to interpret the 

748
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,800
unwritten agreement between the 
parties that way, then I would 

749
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,500
agree. 
That's a Libertarian result. 

750
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:16,500
And you now, you own part of 
Facebook's property your 

751
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:18,600
co-owners with Facebook of their
servers. 

752
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,600
I just don't think that argument
can fly for several reasons. 

753
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,800
Number one. 
I am sure Facebook has in their 

754
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,400
terms of service that you look 
at. 

755
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,100
When you sign on to become a 
customer that they can change 

756
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:33,700
the terms of service any time 
and that would imply that that 

757
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:37,000
they could if they if they need 
like if a decision of an 

758
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,100
arbitrator goes against them 
then they would simply amend 

759
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:42,200
their terms of service going 
forward to say. 

760
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:44,600
And by the way, we're not 
granting anyone an easement. 

761
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,100
We can kick you out at any time 
even though you put a lot of 

762
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:49,500
effort into it. 
So I think that is the actual 

763
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:54,400
default understanding especially
because right Now we seen 

764
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,100
thousands of people be kicked 
off. 

765
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:58,600
We all know that happens. 
So we know that it's not a 

766
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,100
contractual term. 
So if you, if you sign on to a 

767
00:41:01,107 --> 00:41:05,200
Facebook and start a page there,
you're doing it at your own 

768
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:05,900
risk. 
Okay. 

769
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:08,500
It's like call coming to the 
nuisance or Assumption of risk. 

770
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:11,100
It's that kind of idea. 
So I just don't think as a 

771
00:41:11,107 --> 00:41:13,800
factual matter that they have 
agreed to that and I don't think

772
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,600
the customers think they've 
agreed to it and even if a court

773
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,800
or an arbitral tribunal decided 
the quote wrong way. 

774
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:27,600
And made Facebook liable. 
I think they would just amend 

775
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,600
their terms of service to 
clarify going forward. 

776
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:34,500
That's how contracts get so long
is because over time different 

777
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:37,500
Court decisions are made and the
lawyers wake up and realize this

778
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:40,300
and they start trying to 
contract around that. 

779
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,100
So that's why you have all this 
fine print and these weird legal

780
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:45,200
Provisions. 
It contracts, they grow, and 

781
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,800
they grow, and they develop over
time. 

782
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,800
And then and then the court law,
the case law takes that into 

783
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,000
account and moves on its own. 
Going forward. 

784
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,600
So I simply think that it's like
if you invite someone to your 

785
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,600
house for a dinner party, you 
can kick them out the case of 

786
00:42:03,607 --> 00:42:05,500
the wedding. 
We I think it takes us to for 

787
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:06,700
feel. 
We could discuss that if you 

788
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:08,800
wanted to, but I think that 
takes us a field. 

789
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:12,500
I can let you guys talk again if
you want or ask questions, but 

790
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:15,700
where I can address the fine 
print thing that Patrick talked 

791
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:17,500
about real quickly. 
I don't think it would take too 

792
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:18,300
long. 
Patrick. 

793
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:24,500
I have probably 45 minutes of 
Questions and comments happening

794
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:26,500
right now. 
So fine, we should try it and 

795
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:28,100
maybe we save that one for 
later. 

796
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:29,200
Keith. 
You were about to say something.

797
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:34,000
I was just going to say the 
reason that I use the wedding 

798
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,500
analogy instead of the inviting 
someone over for dinner. 

799
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:42,800
Analogy is certainly the amount 
of resources that it takes or 

800
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,000
that it does, stress is a person
for engaging in the activity, 

801
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:49,500
you inviting me over and then 
saying screw you, when I get to 

802
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,200
the door, that's disappointing, 
but that's me wasting an hour or

803
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,800
two of my day. 
The whole wet. 

804
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,600
The purpose of the wedding. 
Analogy is a massive amount of 

805
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,200
resource allocation towards 
Achieving a generally understood

806
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,100
goal, and that I really think is
analogous to. 

807
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:05,900
I mean, look at the amount of 
hours. 

808
00:43:05,900 --> 00:43:09,600
Tim pool has like three hours a 
day on YouTube and Twitter and 

809
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,000
stuff. 
And it takes a lot to build that

810
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000
phone. 
That's why I don't consider it 

811
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,900
an abusive analogy. 
All right. 

812
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:22,900
Let me, I think the whole thing 
is a one-off thing where it 

813
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:26,100
takes millions of people and its
continuing over time, so we can 

814
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:27,700
kind of see patterns and things 
like that. 

815
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:33,700
And the other problem is you're 
sort of making an argument like 

816
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:36,900
this detrimental Reliance 
argument which which is used in 

817
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:40,300
contract law as a backstop. 
To the conventional Theory 

818
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:43,400
saying that you detrimentally 
relied upon something to your 

819
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,500
detriment. 
So you can say that just by the 

820
00:43:45,508 --> 00:43:49,400
nature of This Arrangement, 
Facebook know who's a lot of 

821
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,600
people upon their presence of 
their pays. 

822
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,000
They put a lot of effort into 
it. 

823
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,500
Therefore, we should kind of 
hold them to something like a 

824
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:59,500
quasi-contract, because of 
Reliance, but as I said against 

825
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:02,100
look at Randy, Barnett's article
is just a footnote on it, but 

826
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:05,300
it's pretty understood that 
detrimental. 

827
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:08,500
Reliance is just circular. 
Here's a better way to think 

828
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:11,100
about it. 
Suppose take my painting. 

829
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:16,600
The fence example supposed. 
You want your fence painted 

830
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:18,300
before this party? 
You're having. 

831
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:22,200
So you hire me and I say, I'll 
if you pay me a thousand 

832
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,400
dollars. 
I'll paint the fit. 

833
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,100
But and you say, well are you 
going to guarantee you're going 

834
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:28,900
to paint the fence? 
But because if you don't paint 

835
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:33,000
the screwed and I say, well, no,
I'm not guaranteeing it. 

836
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:35,700
But if I paint it you have to 
pay me 1000 and you say well, I 

837
00:44:35,707 --> 00:44:38,000
need you to guarantee it. 
So I need you to promise to pay 

838
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,000
me two thousand dollars in 
Damages. 

839
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,100
If you don't paint the fence. 
Now, I'm thinking. 

840
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:46,100
Well now. 
The cost to me of painting, the 

841
00:44:46,107 --> 00:44:50,700
fence is higher, right? 
Because that, my and provide the

842
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:53,300
materials. 
Now, I'm I have a possible 

843
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:56,000
liability like, suppose I get in
a car wreck and I can't paint 

844
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,500
the fence and I'm on the hook 
for two thousand dollars. 

845
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:02,800
That's a cost to me. 
So I'm going to say, well, I'll 

846
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,800
give you that guarantee. 
But only if you pay me $1100 

847
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,200
paint, the fence. 
In other words, if the 

848
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,500
homeowner, who's getting the 
service done wants to guarantee,

849
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:15,800
he needs to pay more like soda, 
Lords. 

850
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:17,800
It's like, buying Insurance in a
sense. 

851
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,600
So the To the Facebook thing 
would be, you know, I want to 

852
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,200
build this page and I want to 
make sure Facebook can't take it

853
00:45:25,207 --> 00:45:27,200
away from me. 
How could I do that? 

854
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,900
I have to negotiate with them 
that they have to pay me some 

855
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:35,100
kind of monetary damages and a 
lot if they kick me off for no 

856
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:38,000
good reason, Facebook's only 
going to do that. 

857
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,700
If I pay them to take on that 
hassle of that reciprocal 

858
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:44,600
Insurance obligation. 
So now instead of getting 

859
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,200
Facebook free, I've got to pay 
them. 

860
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,700
A hundred bucks a month. 
How many of these people doing? 

861
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:52,000
Their Facebook pages would 
actually pay even a dollar is 

862
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,100
most people are Cheapskates or 
poor, right? 

863
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:59,400
That use Facebook. 
So I say, the, the old idea of 

864
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,400
Caveat Emptor buyer beware, you 
know, you only get what you, 

865
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:06,300
what you pay for. 
If you want this kind of 

866
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:09,100
guarantee you need to pay for it
and I think that's what would 

867
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:11,800
happen in reality. 
So I think that if Facebook was 

868
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,400
held liable in some kind of 
weird Court decision, they would

869
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,000
just change their contract, 
their terms of service to Sure 

870
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,800
that they're not doing that and 
then you would know for sure. 

871
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,600
You're not getting that 
guarantee and you would have to 

872
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,200
do it at your own risk. 
I assumed you would agree that 

873
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:31,000
if, if you use Facebook to form 
your community and your webpage 

874
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,300
and Facebook tells you 
explicitly, listen, we could 

875
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:37,300
jerk the rug out from under you 
at any time and we don't owe you

876
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:39,800
a single Cent work. 
We might even be capricious 

877
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,900
about it. 
So use our service at your own 

878
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:44,800
risk, then I assume you agree 
that there would be no, breach 

879
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,000
of contract there. 
And I think that's the default 

880
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,700
understanding now because that's
what they're doing. 

881
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,400
Everyone knows that. 
Yes, that's why I sense it. 

882
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:56,300
That's just, yeah, that's why I 
brought up the examples of very 

883
00:46:56,300 --> 00:47:00,700
often when there's not a general
agreement on certain things. 

884
00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:04,600
Organizations will make explicit
no touching. 

885
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,100
Wet paint, do not touch this 
piece of architecture. 

886
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:10,200
Do not take pictures of this. 
No refunds. 

887
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,500
No exchanges. 
This happens all the time. 

888
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:16,400
So we should just expect this of
media, social media, 

889
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,800
organizations, and then you 
explicitly have Jack Dorsey 

890
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:21,800
talking. 
How Twitter stands for freedom 

891
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,900
of expression on October 5th, 20
2015, we stand for speaking. 

892
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:29,800
The truth to power and we stand 
for empowering dialogue. 

893
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:32,900
I mean, when that is the 
generally communicated idea, 

894
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:35,800
that is the standard. 
We should hold them accountable 

895
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,300
to now, as far as I'm so afraid 
of giving the state a micrometer

896
00:47:40,300 --> 00:47:42,200
of power. 
I don't even know if I would 

897
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,300
support, you know, taking money 
from them. 

898
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,700
Even if we do decide that this 
was a breach of contract. 

899
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:54,200
I think we just Need to 
recognize it as but as being 

900
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,600
unjustifiable and a Severe 
mistreatment of people who do 

901
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,900
not have a lot of ability to 
influence others in their lives.

902
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,100
So you can just look at it. 
As, you know, the psycho 

903
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:11,000
manipulative spouse who though 
there should be. 

904
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,900
This doesn't mean there should 
be rules about marriage or some 

905
00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:15,500
government gets to regulate 
marriages. 

906
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,500
We as Libertarians need to be at
the front lines recognizing why?

907
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:22,400
This is wrong. 
And why the solution is to 

908
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:26,800
embrace Alternatives. 
So as far as breach of contract,

909
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,100
are you saying that no, breach 
of contract can even exist? 

910
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:33,500
Again, the definition I'm 
working with is and 

911
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,200
unjustifiable failure to perform
under the terms of a contract 

912
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,000
when performance is due. 
Are you saying that that can't 

913
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,700
exist? 
Well, I mean this kind of 

914
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:48,800
argument is a little bit like 
the Libertarians and the and the

915
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,100
common law Court kind of 
conspiracy guys. 

916
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:53,500
They always cite Black's Law 
Dictionary because I don't know 

917
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:56,100
anything about the law. 
I mean, just because there's a 

918
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:59,500
definition and this because 
because the, the comment the the

919
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:04,000
positive law that were under the
state, the state created in a 

920
00:49:04,008 --> 00:49:06,100
sense positive while we're 
under. 

921
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:08,000
Has that consignee? 
That that's a Libertarian 

922
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,200
concept even in the united. 
I'm sorry. 

923
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,500
Can I can I rephrase the 
question? 

924
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:20,100
Yeah, yeah, so so forget the 
dictionary definition. 

925
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:24,800
Do you think by me promising to 
do something for another person?

926
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:29,200
I therefore and morally 
obligated to perform the action 

927
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:37,300
that I promised to I do but not 
as a Libertarian. 

928
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,100
Moral obligations are have 
nothing to do with 

929
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:42,700
libertarianism. 
I disagree a lot of court by the

930
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:46,000
way. 
He As that he's doesn't matter 

931
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,800
of contract. 
I disagree. 

932
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,200
I think that's too rigid of a 
rule. 

933
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,400
I think a promise can't be the 
basis of a contract, but the 

934
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,800
word promise can indicate your 
consent to transfer title, 

935
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,200
because that's what's understood
by it. 

936
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,000
So, it's just a question of 
understanding the communication 

937
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:08,900
of the parties, but Let me even 
in even positive law in The 

938
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:11,300
Chicago School, right? 
Which is has gained some 

939
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:14,200
dominance in the law and 
economics, right? 

940
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:19,900
The interpretation of law. 
They have something called the 

941
00:50:19,900 --> 00:50:21,300
efficient. 
You can look this up on 

942
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:23,400
Wikipedia. 
I think the efficient breach of 

943
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:30,000
contract theory, so they think 
that If you breach a contract 

944
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,400
under the legal definition of 
breach, which means you don't 

945
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,000
perform your obligation, you 
shouldn't be made to pay very 

946
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,500
high damages. 
But only the damages that are a 

947
00:50:40,508 --> 00:50:42,700
consequence of the contract, 
because they think that 

948
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:45,500
sometimes it's efficient to 
breach, a contract. 

949
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,100
Like, if I could breach of 
contract and pay the other guy, 

950
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:51,900
the damages, I owe him, but I 
think if I get more profit out 

951
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:54,800
of breaching it from the other 
deal, I want to do, then the 

952
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,400
economy is better off and all 
this. 

953
00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:00,200
That sort of dovetails with the 
rothbard Ian and my view, which 

954
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,700
is that there is no such thing 
as breach of contract. 

955
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:07,200
So, if I fail to paint the 
fence, so let's just take a, 

956
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:10,500
let's say you hire me to paint 
your fence and I know you have a

957
00:51:10,508 --> 00:51:13,500
birthday party coming up. 
I know that's why you what you 

958
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:16,900
want it painted and I failed to 
paint the fence. 

959
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:20,100
Even we don't even if we don't 
have an explicit agreement for 

960
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:23,300
me to pay you damages. 
If I don't paint the fence, I 

961
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:25,800
think it could be reasonable in 
some cases for there to be an 

962
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,300
implicit. 
It title transfer from me back 

963
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:32,300
to you which would be called 
damages, but it wouldn't really 

964
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:34,400
be damages because it wouldn't 
be a breach, it would just be 

965
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:37,100
there to try to to title 
transfers set up. 

966
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:39,800
One is the payment of money to 
me, in terms of payment, if I 

967
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,600
paint the fence and one is a 
payment of some kind of 

968
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,900
disincentive payment to you if I
fail to paint the fence, so 

969
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:48,300
there's just two title 
transfers. 

970
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,900
So if I choose not to paint the 
fence, you might say it's 

971
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:56,300
immoral because it's just bad 
form, but but it's not really a 

972
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,000
It's not even trespass. 
It's not even a breach of 

973
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,200
anyone's rights. 
It's just an action that 

974
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,000
triggers a payment from me to 
you. 

975
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,900
Now, I so let's take let's take 
the Facebook case. 

976
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,900
Even the current law. 
If you call it, a breach of 

977
00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:12,900
contract. 
When Facebook kicks me off. 

978
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:17,400
They still are not going to be 
forced by a court, to put me 

979
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,700
back on their servers because 
the court doesn't order specific

980
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:22,800
performance. 
Except in rare cases, like real 

981
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,500
estate transfers because the, or
the sale of a painting because 

982
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:28,900
those are unique and there's 
money can suffice for that. 

983
00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:31,600
But for everything else, the law
says, we don't want to handle 

984
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,600
it. 
We don't want to, we don't want 

985
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,600
to micromanage it. 
We just want to order you to pay

986
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,700
some money and then it's over. 
So all that Apple has Facebook 

987
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:40,500
is ordered to pay you some kind 
of money. 

988
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:43,600
So they kick Tom Woods off and 
he could sue them for breach of 

989
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,100
contract. 
It just means they have to pay 

990
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:46,800
him. 
Some some monetary damage was 

991
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,600
called was still be heard. 
He still wouldn't be made whole,

992
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:51,600
he would just get some monetary 
payment. 

993
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:55,500
He'd have to go find another 
service book would change our 

994
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:57,100
terms of service of it off to 
pay the money. 

995
00:52:57,100 --> 00:52:59,700
It's money in the future and 
they would just suffer their 

996
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:02,500
reputation would be harmed 
because everyone would know. 

997
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,500
Well, he'll Facebook can kick me
off whenever they want. 

998
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:07,500
They're kicking all people left 
and right for politically 

999
00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:10,800
motivated. 
Stated reasons, I don't trust 

1000
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,200
them. 
They don't they won't even agree

1001
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,800
to pay me or to guarantee that I
have a slot there. 

1002
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:17,100
So they're going to start losing
customers and they're going to 

1003
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:19,000
lose their profits and they're 
gonna, they're gonna, they're 

1004
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:28,900
gonna implode Keith. 
I want to make sure that the 

1005
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:31,100
primary purpose of this was to 
sort of bring the three of us 

1006
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:32,800
together. 
So I want them and you were kind

1007
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,000
of the dissenting voice here. 
So I want to make sure that 

1008
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,200
what's your have, we modified 
your position. 

1009
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,000
What are your what was happening
with you? 

1010
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,700
So the problem is, I don't know,
you know, nearly as much about 

1011
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:48,400
law. 
So it's hard to, you know, 

1012
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,200
determine whether or not I'm 
making just a moral argument or 

1013
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:57,200
I'm making a Libertarian 
justification or I'm Wrong in 

1014
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,000
this has I have been many many 
times before. 

1015
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,600
I just see libertarianism as the
only morally Justified 

1016
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:10,200
philosophical position. 
I think pretty much every other 

1017
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,700
competing ideology believes in 
aggression and therefore 

1018
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:16,700
slavery. 
So, I want us at the front of 

1019
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:19,100
this argument. 
So when everyone seeing the 

1020
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:23,100
blatant mistreatment of, you 
know, American Renaissance or 

1021
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:26,400
Alex, Jones or Stefan molyneux. 
If our only position as Well, 

1022
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,800
there are private company. 
Well, so is bowing and Raytheon 

1023
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,700
and Northrop Grumman. 
They're not technically involved

1024
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:35,200
in aggression. 
But as Glenn Greenwald States, 

1025
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,200
the Israeli government contacts 
Facebook, so they could take 

1026
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,800
down Palestinian resistance or 
any sort of PLO organization. 

1027
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,000
So we actually are dealing with 
co-conspirators and we need to, 

1028
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:52,200
I'm sorry, I think we should be 
unapologetically anti social 

1029
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,200
media. 
It's not enough to just be anti 

1030
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,300
social media. 
We have to be active. 

1031
00:54:57,300 --> 00:54:59,300
I tried to quote, the Joad, 
organs and thing. 

1032
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:05,300
I'm sorry that failed. 
So, um, so I know, I know that, 

1033
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,800
you know, being smart or having 
good arguments or writing books 

1034
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,300
is not a principle of 
libertarianism. 

1035
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,600
However, we should embrace all 
of those things. 

1036
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,800
It's not. 
You have to write a book as good

1037
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,200
as democracy. 
The God That Failed when it's, 

1038
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,200
that's not necessary, but we 
should be heavily engaging in 

1039
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,100
these activities such as writing
books, making good arguments. 

1040
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:29,500
And not recognized and being 
able to differentiate moral 

1041
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:32,300
business practices from immoral 
business practices. 

1042
00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:36,200
Because if we just have to have 
standards of our own or else 

1043
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,100
who's going, who's going to take
it? 

1044
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:42,500
The leftists of of Silicon 
Valley, I certainly hope. 

1045
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:43,800
Not. 
So thank you. 

1046
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:46,200
I'm just, I'm gonna have to 
watch this over again to find 

1047
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,100
out even where I stand or maybe 
there's something I totally 

1048
00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:50,800
Miss. 
Well, I think you segwayed us 

1049
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,600
perfectly into Jeff duyst's 
article that he recently wrote 

1050
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,500
that brings up the The most 
common argument. 

1051
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:01,200
I've heard against the the 
Facebook's let's say property 

1052
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,600
right to kick you off and have 
you not come back and blah, 

1053
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,900
blah, blah is the one that they,
you know, they were there in bed

1054
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:09,600
with government. 
And so let me just read these 

1055
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,000
few paragraphs. 
This is our excerpts here. 

1056
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,700
I won't go through the whole 
thing by any means. 

1057
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,500
So there was a talk by Tom 
Woods. 

1058
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:19,500
Recently titled, the covid cult 
with more than 1.5 million 

1059
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:21,100
views. 
It was recorded at our live 

1060
00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:24,000
event in Texas, two weeks ago, 
it offer challenges to the 

1061
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,100
official narrative surrounding 
the coronavirus particularly. 

1062
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:29,200
And with respect to mask 
mandates, the speech was nothing

1063
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,200
less than a heartfelt tour. 
De force against the terrible 

1064
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,200
lockdowns, and pseudoscience 
plaguing the debate over covid 

1065
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,400
and a call to re-examine 
trade-offs and priorities. 

1066
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,100
It was, as you might imagine a 
mix of unassailable data 

1067
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:41,800
combined with our friend. 
Tom's strong prescription for 

1068
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,800
Liberty and personal choice 
rather than centralized state 

1069
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,100
edicts. 
In other words. 

1070
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:48,900
YouTube had no earthly business.
Removing it, this kind of 

1071
00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:52,400
discourse seems to me to be the 
best and highest use for 

1072
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,400
YouTube. 
It's most important function, 

1073
00:56:54,400 --> 00:57:00,800
big Digital as Professor, 
Michael recktenwald, terms tech 

1074
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,000
companies have become quote 
government Alat. 

1075
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,200
He's supposedly, private 
Enterprise has turned into 

1076
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,000
instruments of state power and 
state. 

1077
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,800
Narratives. 
This sorted process is different

1078
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,900
for each company. 
Some are more complicit than 

1079
00:57:13,900 --> 00:57:18,300
others, a few are heroically 
non-compliant, but it involves a

1080
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:21,900
mix of early startup funding 
connections and contracts with 

1081
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:25,200
state agencies, particularly 
relating to defense and 

1082
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,700
surveillance. 
And propaganda campaigns in 

1083
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:30,700
service of State narratives, 
recktenwald explains this 

1084
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:34,900
phenomenon in his own recent, 
talk titled, the Google election

1085
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,600
quote. 
This is from the rich and Waltz 

1086
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,600
talk in short, Google, Facebook 
and others are not strictly, 

1087
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,100
private sector entities. 
They are government. 

1088
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:47,700
A Le T's in the sense that I 
have given to the term. 

1089
00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:50,700
They are extensions and 
apparatus of the state. 

1090
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,600
Furthermore. 
These platforms are government 

1091
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,500
talat. 
He's with a particular interest 

1092
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:57,700
in the growth and extension of 
Government, ality itself. 

1093
00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:01,400
This includes championing, every
kind of subordinated and newly 

1094
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,900
created identity class that they
can find, or create because such

1095
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:09,700
endangered categories require 
State acknowledgement and 

1096
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:12,100
protection. 
Thus, the state's circumference 

1097
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:16,300
continues to expand big digital 
is partial to the interests and 

1098
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:19,400
growth of the state. 
It not only does business with 

1099
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,000
status but also shares their 
values. 

1100
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,200
This helps make sense of its 
leftist bent and their 

1101
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,500
preference for the Deep State 
Democrats. 

1102
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:31,300
Leftism is statism. 
Okay, so that's one of the most 

1103
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:36,300
common arguments. 
I have heard for sort of not 

1104
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:38,800
being too concerned with the 
property rights of large 

1105
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,400
companies like Google and 
Facebook, back to you control. 

1106
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,400
What are your thoughts? 
Yeah. 

1107
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:46,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1108
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:52,300
I like that. 
He's also made arguments in 

1109
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,400
recent. 
Mouths, I believe where he said 

1110
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:02,500
he's sort of deviating a bit on 
the defamation issue to where, 

1111
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,500
you know, he thinks that as a 
practical matter. 

1112
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:11,600
If you if you defame someone it 
does cause harm and there for 

1113
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,800
that, might be a vaccine. 
That's right. 

1114
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,400
Of course, pletely incompatible 
with Roth bards hardcore, proper

1115
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,500
riparian view and 
libertarianism, you know, his 

1116
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:23,400
knowledge comma true and false 
chapter a day. 

1117
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,000
It's a liberty explains, 
exactly. 

1118
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,900
Why and he's right that 
defamation law is simply not. 

1119
00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:31,900
Justifiable, Walter block is 
sort of made a version of the 

1120
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:33,200
argument that you're making 
here. 

1121
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,900
They die seems to be making 
here. 

1122
00:59:34,900 --> 00:59:37,800
That it's not the contract. 
Breach argument is basically 

1123
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,900
that their effect is like Walter
sued the New York Times for 

1124
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:43,800
defamation, even the Walters 
against defamation law because 

1125
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,500
he said, they're fair game 
because they're basically part 

1126
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:49,200
of the state. 
I'm leery of those arguments. 

1127
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,200
They are, they're not really 
part of the state. 

1128
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,700
They are they are evil 
socialist. 

1129
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:55,100
I will agree that. 
And there, you know, if we have 

1130
00:59:55,100 --> 00:59:57,700
the libertarian Nuremberg war 
crimes, tribunal someday. 

1131
00:59:57,700 --> 01:00:02,400
After the, After the Revolution,
some people that were promoting 

1132
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,800
the state and supporting it 
might be held to account I 

1133
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,600
guess. 
But you know, I'd rather just 

1134
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,500
have Liberty and move on but you
know, so Walters like the New 

1135
01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:15,600
York Times as an agent 8, so it 
would be wrong for me to sue an 

1136
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,700
innocent person of defamation 
because the defamation laws 

1137
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:22,500
unjust but it's okay to use that
kind of force against a wing of 

1138
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:24,900
the state. 
And likewise, I guess the 

1139
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:28,000
argument here is that Facebook 
and these companies are 

1140
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,100
effectively government alaniz 
are part of the state and 

1141
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:33,900
therefore they should be held to
constitutional. 

1142
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:38,200
Limitations I guess Amendment 
free speech. 

1143
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,500
So violating your constitutional
rights. 

1144
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,000
I'm leery of doing that because 
that's just giving the 

1145
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,000
government more power to put 
private more and more private 

1146
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,700
actors under their Ambit and 
basically regulate them, but 

1147
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:53,400
that was the argument. 
Given for the Civil Rights Act. 

1148
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,500
I'm sorry for the whichever 
acted was in the 60s that 

1149
01:00:56,500 --> 01:01:01,500
basically not only prohibited 
government, government agencies,

1150
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,700
state governments, and federal, 
whatever it was from, 

1151
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:10,100
Discriminating racially against 
blacks, and then women because 

1152
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:12,200
it violated the Fourteenth 
Amendment and all that kind of 

1153
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,600
stuff. 
But they, they they, they, they 

1154
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,800
restricted the property rights 
of private businesses, like, 

1155
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,700
restaurants and things. 
They call public accommodation 

1156
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:24,000
saying, even even private 
companies can't discriminate 

1157
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,700
based on race and things like 
that. 

1158
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,300
And that's an infringement of 
property rights there. 

1159
01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:31,600
But their argument is that well,
they're kind of government 

1160
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,200
tality because they're, they're 
open to the public. 

1161
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,500
They're serving a A public 
function because they had the 

1162
01:01:36,500 --> 01:01:39,700
restaurant open to all comers. 
So they have to let all comers 

1163
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:42,000
come in. 
I'm very of all these arguments 

1164
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,000
because I want to restrict the 
power of the state. 

1165
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:51,700
Not give it power to classify 
some semi or mostly private 

1166
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:55,600
actors, like Facebook and like 
the New York Times as 

1167
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:00,800
quasi-governmental as an excuse 
to regulate them and to do 

1168
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,200
things like that. 
So, I'm leery of those arguments

1169
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:07,000
and you think let me try this. 
Before let me try and steal, man

1170
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:07,800
it real quick. 
Go ahead. 

1171
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:11,800
Just just got bigger. 
So like let's imagine a company 

1172
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,700
that that currently in the in 
current modern times makes roads

1173
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,400
and you know, most of the money 
they get to make roads with is 

1174
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,100
money stolen from people, 
extorted through taxes, and then

1175
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:24,500
pays them which then they use to
create the roads. 

1176
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:27,200
It would be as if it would be 
like, for that company. 

1177
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,300
To then tell me that I'm not 
allowed to drive on the road 

1178
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:34,900
that they use, you know, in part
my stolen resources. 

1179
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,100
To create, they would say that. 
Okay. 

1180
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:40,000
Well, Facebook takes tons of 
stolen money that belonged to 

1181
01:02:40,008 --> 01:02:42,000
that, part of which Belongs to 
You Patrick. 

1182
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,000
And now they're trying to tell 
you, you can't use their 

1183
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,100
service. 
How can they do that? 

1184
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,900
Well, let's let's unpack it. 
So in the case of the roads, you

1185
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:53,100
could make at least a coherent 
libertarian argument that money 

1186
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:57,300
is stolen from me as a taxpayer,
the the state collects it and 

1187
01:02:57,300 --> 01:03:02,200
then they give most of it to 
this private contractor to I 

1188
01:03:02,207 --> 01:03:05,500
don't know to build a road and 
then I guess the private company

1189
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:07,700
owns the road now. 
So you could argue that. 

1190
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:12,200
I have a claim of restitution 
from the state and also from to 

1191
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,400
get that money back. 
Basically you could say that. 

1192
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:21,200
I am up. 
I'm really the true owner on the

1193
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,800
phone with, they don't let me 
use it. 

1194
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,100
Then they're increasing the 
Damage Done to be so you can 

1195
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:27,400
make that argument. 
In fact, I made an argument like

1196
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,400
that in my, in my argument 
against open borders and 

1197
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,500
immigration by arguing, that the
roads are owned by the citizens 

1198
01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:39,200
as taxpayers and they have the 
right to use those roads because

1199
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,900
they're the true owners. 
But immigrants from outside, the

1200
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:46,600
US are not victims of the US 
state, or they're not taxpayers.

1201
01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:49,500
So they don't have if they're 
denied the right to use those 

1202
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:53,600
roads and public Spaces, by the 
it, by the ins, for example, 

1203
01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:56,200
then their rights aren't 
violated because it's not their 

1204
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,400
property. 
So if you simply denied all 

1205
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:04,000
Outsiders the right to use, all 
public spaces that are truly 

1206
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,200
owned by the American citizen 
taxpayers, then that would 

1207
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,800
radically reduce immigration 
because you can't come into the 

1208
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,600
u.s. 
Unless you use a road basically.

1209
01:04:12,500 --> 01:04:14,600
And that would be a form of 
immigration control, that was 

1210
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:16,300
compatible with libertarian 
principles. 

1211
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:20,900
So Kind of made the argument 
before to a degree. 

1212
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:22,600
But to be clear for the 
audience. 

1213
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,000
I argued against that argument. 
I think it started with 

1214
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,500
Christopher Chase Rachel's and I
didn't know that you had written

1215
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:31,400
on it from that angle as well. 
I definitely disagree with that.

1216
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,200
Maybe that's maybe that's our 
next show. 

1217
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:36,800
But yeah, and I don't, I mean, 
I'm not really against 

1218
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,200
immigration. 
I was just explaining that If 

1219
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:44,700
immigrants, if outside, if what 
he called outside. 

1220
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:50,500
And if foreigners are not 
permitted to use, if, if I don't

1221
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:53,000
permit a foreigner to use my 
house, that's not a violation of

1222
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,900
his rights. 
And if the government doesn't 

1223
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:57,500
let him use the roads, it's not 
a violation of his rights either

1224
01:04:57,500 --> 01:04:59,300
because he doesn't own the 
roads. 

1225
01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:02,300
The only way to argue against 
that, is this argument that some

1226
01:05:02,300 --> 01:05:04,100
Libertarians make that all 
government? 

1227
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:07,300
Property is unowned and subject 
to homesteading, but I don't 

1228
01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:09,200
believe that. 
I think that some property. 

1229
01:05:09,500 --> 01:05:13,300
Government prevents us from 
using like the Wilderness. 

1230
01:05:14,500 --> 01:05:16,600
You could say that's a No-No 
because it's not developed by 

1231
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,200
anyone. 
So that is subject to 

1232
01:05:18,207 --> 01:05:20,800
homesteading. 
But roads and buildings are 

1233
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,500
clearly owned their just owned 
by the state legally, but the 

1234
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:27,900
true owner is the are all the 
peaceful innocent tax. 

1235
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:32,900
Citizens for and they have a 
better claim on it for 

1236
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:35,900
restitution. 
So I'm not really are literally 

1237
01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:38,400
going to three hours. 
These are so interested in such 

1238
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,500
interesting. 
Topic out. 

1239
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:42,800
Keith is your only thing to say,
Nope. 

1240
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,200
This has been a pleasure to 
speak with Patrick. 

1241
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:47,400
And mr. 
Kinsella. 

1242
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,900
My whole point is that I think 
we need to sort of elevate our 

1243
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:55,300
criticism. 
So when we say private good 

1244
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:58,100
public bad, I don't think that 
gets to the heart of it. 

1245
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:00,500
As Murray. 
Rothbard says, in, I think it's 

1246
01:06:00,500 --> 01:06:02,500
for a new Liberty or ethics of 
Liberty. 

1247
01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:05,000
Imagine, just before disbanding 
itself. 

1248
01:06:05,100 --> 01:06:08,100
The state gives Kentucky to the 
Kennedys and New York to the 

1249
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:11,100
Rockefellers. 
Are they the now the just owner 

1250
01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:13,900
since, you know, there? 
Group of private individuals. 

1251
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:18,000
The answer is obviously, no, 
because according to act the 

1252
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,700
root Theory, the root principle 
of libertarianism original 

1253
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:25,400
appropriation as Hans hop. 
Estates in democracy, The God 

1254
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,000
That Failed. 
That is just an illegitimate 

1255
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,200
contract. 
That Tyrant a gives to Tyrant to

1256
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,500
be with seized property that 
they have no right to claim on 

1257
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:38,200
any more than I have the right 
to sell, Patrick's house to 

1258
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,200
Stephen. 
Because you know, I claim a Will

1259
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,800
contract gives me the right to 
so now I'm just attempting to 

1260
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,400
sort of elevate the discussion 
here. 

1261
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,900
Yeah. 
Yeah, and I agree with all that,

1262
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,100
Patrick. 
Let me ask a question. 

1263
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:54,900
So what's the analogy to 
Facebook, though, in the road 

1264
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:57,200
case? 
Because where did where did the 

1265
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,800
federal government pay Facebook 
with taxpayer dollars. 

1266
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,000
Like how could you make that 
argument that they don't really 

1267
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,400
own their servers? 
Well, to be clear. 

1268
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,000
I was that's not my argument. 
I was trying to pull it in 

1269
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,400
argument that a I've heard often
from people and so they would I 

1270
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,100
think early. 
On Facebook was Project from the

1271
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:16,500
CIA. 
So it was literally founded with

1272
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:20,000
public money. 
They get hundreds of thousands 

1273
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,200
of dollars. 
If not millions of dollars every

1274
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,900
year. 
I think it's tens of thousands 

1275
01:07:24,900 --> 01:07:28,800
every month, or something like 
that, for responding to spy 

1276
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,400
requests, from government 
agencies from the US. 

1277
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,400
So they get tons and tons of 
money and they collude with the 

1278
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:40,900
government to, you know, provide
our data upon warrants, and all 

1279
01:07:40,900 --> 01:07:43,000
that stuff, and they get paid. 
A lot of money for that. 

1280
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,500
It's a good business for 
Facebook to cooperate with the 

1281
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:46,900
government collude with the 
government. 

1282
01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:49,300
Let me, let me mention, let me 
mention a blog post of mine, 

1283
01:07:49,300 --> 01:07:54,500
some some listeners might find 
so rothbard had an argument in 

1284
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:56,700
the 60s. 
When his more leftist phase 

1285
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,700
where he argued that like 
universities were basically, 

1286
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,100
Effectively agents of the state 
and they could be they could be 

1287
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:07,700
attacked by the students doing 
all the sit-ins and they can be 

1288
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:10,700
homesteaded by them. 
But later on he sort of backed 

1289
01:08:10,700 --> 01:08:14,300
up like a, but seven years 
later, 1974. 

1290
01:08:14,300 --> 01:08:17,300
He backed. 
He backed off of that and said, 

1291
01:08:17,300 --> 01:08:21,300
basically that if there's 
property that there's there's 

1292
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:24,000
basically original sin in the in
the property to like you can 

1293
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,100
trace it back to an act of 
theft. 

1294
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:28,600
That doesn't mean that the 
current owner can be just a 

1295
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,800
vested of it. 
As long as they're innocent 

1296
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,300
basically. 
And they weren't, they weren't, 

1297
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:36,500
they didn't during the ones who 
stole it and that's in my, I 

1298
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:38,800
think I have some blog posts 
once called rothbard on the 

1299
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:43,899
original sin and land, title's, 
1969 versus 1974 where he sort 

1300
01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:46,500
of and a lot of the left just 
like Kevin Carson. 

1301
01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:50,100
And these guys, they they quote 
rothbard from 1969, but they 

1302
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:53,700
don't quote the extra paragraph 
that he added to the later 

1303
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:56,700
reprint of that article where he
sort of backs off on that. 

1304
01:08:56,700 --> 01:09:00,100
That's kind of interesting. 
So and I'm with the more modern 

1305
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:03,300
rothbard. 
I'm just Leary of calling them 

1306
01:09:03,700 --> 01:09:07,399
agents of the state. 
Even if the CIA did get 

1307
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:10,899
Facebook, some money, look, the 
government subsidizes lots of 

1308
01:09:10,899 --> 01:09:14,800
Corporations and businesses and 
even people, I mean, you know, 

1309
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,899
they just gave out a bunch of 
covid checks to tens of millions

1310
01:09:19,899 --> 01:09:22,899
of people in the country. 
That doesn't mean I own part of 

1311
01:09:22,899 --> 01:09:25,899
their house. 
Now, you know, although, 

1312
01:09:25,899 --> 01:09:29,800
although I've jokingly argued in
the past that, you know, if I 

1313
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,300
live next to a Democrat, I'm 
Title to sneak over into his 

1314
01:09:33,300 --> 01:09:36,000
yard and steal. 
His lawn mower is restitution if

1315
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,600
I can get away with it, but you 
know as a practical matter, 

1316
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,700
that's so that has the problem 
self-help, you know being biased

1317
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:46,000
in your own case and also, you 
know, it's a little vigilante 

1318
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:47,899
ish. 
But theoretically he's violating

1319
01:09:47,899 --> 01:09:51,300
my rights by supporting the 
state and so I'm entitled to 

1320
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:53,200
some restitution so I can steal 
his lawn mower. 

1321
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,100
Okay, let's let's wrap up. 
Then. 

1322
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:57,500
I have a few questions from the 
audience. 

1323
01:09:57,500 --> 01:09:58,700
First. 
I want to start by thanking 

1324
01:09:58,700 --> 01:10:01,400
King, the CEO of float. 
He's over on float right now. 

1325
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,400
He just did a super chat for 
$10. 

1326
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:05,500
He said that I Q is greater than
IP. 

1327
01:10:05,500 --> 01:10:08,000
Thank you for your support. 
King. 

1328
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:09,300
I appreciate it. 
Thank you for everything. 

1329
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:11,500
You do on the float website. 
You guys are awesome. 

1330
01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:13,400
And I am trying to watch float 
chat. 

1331
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,500
Then we have some questions 
here. 

1332
01:10:17,300 --> 01:10:20,000
These are from Cop Block Hot 
Springs. 

1333
01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:24,700
He says so TOS is not a contract
because there is no reciprocal 

1334
01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:28,200
give and take. 
So I think this is a basic 

1335
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,100
contract question, right? 
There's a contract. 

1336
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:33,100
Where choir getting take At 
know. 

1337
01:10:33,100 --> 01:10:36,700
So that's so the contract to be 
binding. 

1338
01:10:36,700 --> 01:10:38,900
And remember the thinking of 
contract is enforceable 

1339
01:10:38,900 --> 01:10:41,600
obligations. 
There has to be consideration. 

1340
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,100
Okay. 
Do I think that's actually a nun

1341
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:47,200
libertarian notion in the civil 
law, the other big legal system 

1342
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,400
that is in Louisiana, and most 
of Europe. 

1343
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:52,100
Other than England. 
You don't have to have 

1344
01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:53,900
consideration. 
You have to have cause which I 

1345
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:56,300
think makes sense but not 
consideration. 

1346
01:10:57,300 --> 01:11:00,000
I think a contract is just 
transfer of title of property. 

1347
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,600
From one person to the other. so
even a donation like if I give 

1348
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:08,500
you an apple as a gift in a 
cell, That's a conch one channel

1349
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,300
transfer of title to a resource 
and that's perfectly binding 

1350
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:15,000
transfer of title. 
So you can call that a contract,

1351
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:20,300
some contracts are reciprocal. 
That is my transfer of title to 

1352
01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:23,700
you of my object that I own is 
conditioned upon. 

1353
01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:27,000
You either doing something in 
the case of a service contract, 

1354
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,200
or you giving me title to 
something that you to title 

1355
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:37,200
transfers. 
So, I simply think that a 

1356
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,400
contract has to involve, at 
least one transfer of title to 

1357
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,200
some property. 
That's owned in the case of 

1358
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,200
Facebook. 
The customers not paying any 

1359
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,800
money, and Facebook is not 
giving anything that they own to

1360
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,700
the customer. 
So there's, there's really no 

1361
01:11:51,700 --> 01:11:54,200
contract. 
The only contract contractual 

1362
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:58,400
aspect of it is Facebook owns, 
its servers and their permitting

1363
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,200
you to use it. 
So they're giving their consent 

1364
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,900
for you to temporarily use it. 
Like if I let someone My car or 

1365
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:08,100
drive my car for an hour, or 
borrow it or they borrow my 

1366
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:12,100
knife, or they come to my house 
for dinner as the owner, or if I

1367
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:16,500
allow someone to kiss me or have
sex with me and all those cases 

1368
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:21,100
is the owner of a resource using
their ownership, right to Grant 

1369
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:24,400
consent to Grant permission, or 
to deny permission. 

1370
01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:28,800
So, in that sense, the Facebook 
relationship is contractual in 

1371
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:34,600
that the owner of the resource. 
It's permitted resources, but 

1372
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:38,700
they can be it can be withdrawn 
at any time just like you can 

1373
01:12:38,700 --> 01:12:44,900
change your mind about having 
sex or if The boxing kicking 

1374
01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:46,700
guests out of your house at a 
dinner party. 

1375
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,100
Okay. 
Let me I'm going to try and 

1376
01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:51,600
combine some of these questions 
together in the for the sake of 

1377
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,400
time. 
So the next one is so if you 

1378
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,300
face invites you to their 
servers you purchase computers 

1379
01:12:57,300 --> 01:12:59,500
to do. 
So, then you face denies you 

1380
01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:00,600
access. 
Can't you? 

1381
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,100
Sue? 
For costs La Mart offers free 

1382
01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:05,800
internet. 
Is it really free if they're 

1383
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:08,600
using my data to track and sell?
How is this different from you 

1384
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,800
face? 
On the first question, again, 

1385
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,200
that's more of a detrimental 
Reliance argument and I think 

1386
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:18,500
that's an invalid Theory because
it's circular again. 

1387
01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:24,300
If you want if you want to 
invest in these computer 

1388
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:29,500
servers, you need to start up 
your little Facebook, Community 

1389
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:33,300
or whatever. 
If you want to be sure that that

1390
01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:35,600
investment won't go to waste, 
you need to pay for it. 

1391
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,200
You need to basically buy 
insurance by being willing to 

1392
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:42,400
pay an extra fee to Facebook. 
Um for that security. 

1393
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,300
And if they won't grant you that
if they refuse to negotiate 

1394
01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:48,300
that, or if they charge a price 
that you don't want to pay, then

1395
01:13:48,300 --> 01:13:53,600
you're taking the risk. 
So I think it's, you know, be a 

1396
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:54,100
bill. 
Correct? 

1397
01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:56,000
What was the second was? 
The second part. 

1398
01:13:57,900 --> 01:14:00,600
If La Mart offers free internet.
Is it really free if they're 

1399
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,000
using my data to track and sell?
How is this different from you 

1400
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,500
face? 
No, it's not free. 

1401
01:14:06,500 --> 01:14:08,700
But, but that's the, that's the 
terms. 

1402
01:14:08,900 --> 01:14:11,500
That's the condition of you. 
You that's like, saying I will 

1403
01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:13,700
let you come into my house for a
dinner party. 

1404
01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:19,400
But only if you help me set the 
table first, you know, and if 

1405
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,400
you don't help me set the table 
and I'm not going to bite you 

1406
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,100
over because you're not a good 
guest. 

1407
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,000
All right, if you don't set the 
table, don't don't enter my 

1408
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,300
house. 
If you don't want to, if you 

1409
01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:31,700
want to let them have your data,
don't use their free service or 

1410
01:14:31,700 --> 01:14:35,300
their otherwise free service. 
If a company acquires a business

1411
01:14:35,300 --> 01:14:37,200
license, why are they not 
required to follow the 

1412
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,500
constitution of that state? 
If they don't like the law, they

1413
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:42,000
can go somewhere else. 
So, this is, this is the thing. 

1414
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,100
I get the same argument from, 
like, Sovereign citizen types. 

1415
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:46,700
When they say, like if you sign 
the papers to get a driver's 

1416
01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:49,900
license, well, you're consenting
to the state. 

1417
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:54,200
It's like, ya know, if you don't
get a driver's license, you are 

1418
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,000
under threat of violence. 
So you're doing what you need to

1419
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,100
do to defend yourself. 
It's a self-defensive contract 

1420
01:15:00,100 --> 01:15:01,000
things. 
I'm with a company. 

1421
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,600
If I file if I sign scribbles 
and Sign papers to keep myself 

1422
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,100
from being attacked for running 
a company. 

1423
01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:09,100
Now, let's that's self-defense. 
That's not consent to anything. 

1424
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,300
I think that argument is a 
hybrid of two arguments. 

1425
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:14,600
One is the social contract 
argument, which we don't agree 

1426
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,200
with this Libertarians. 
And the other one is sort of 

1427
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:21,100
this nebulous idea that 
contract, the corporation's, get

1428
01:15:21,100 --> 01:15:23,700
some kind of special privilege 
from the state. 

1429
01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:27,100
And therefore, in fact, the 
state uses this argument, the 

1430
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:30,100
state regulates corporations, 
and they have a corporate income

1431
01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:33,200
tax, which is in effect, double 
taxation of these. 

1432
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,000
Shareholders, right. 
And their argument for that, is 

1433
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,700
that well, we're granting 
privileges to the corporation. 

1434
01:15:38,700 --> 01:15:42,600
And therefore, we can condition 
the grant of those privileges on

1435
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,700
the, the corporation agreeing to
some regulations and things. 

1436
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,300
But the problem with that is, is
that there's a fallacy there. 

1437
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,200
In the, there's a commonly held 
belief that the court, the state

1438
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,500
grants privileges to 
corporations, that they wouldn't

1439
01:15:56,500 --> 01:15:59,900
have on the free market and 
that's just false as Robert. 

1440
01:15:59,900 --> 01:16:04,600
Hessen has debunked in the 70s 
and which I and And Roger pull 

1441
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,300
on and others. 
Like rothbard have written. 

1442
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,200
Basically, is this limited 
liability? 

1443
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:13,800
Grant Wood says, shareholders, 
are not liable to people that 

1444
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,700
employees of the corporation 
harm in a tort. 

1445
01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:22,000
And but I think that's not a 
privilege of state grants you. 

1446
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,700
That's the natural position. 
That would happen on a free 

1447
01:16:24,700 --> 01:16:30,200
market because you're not liable
for other people's torts, unless

1448
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,300
there's a special relationship 
like you're the employer and 

1449
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:35,200
their the employee or something 
like that. 

1450
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,000
And that's called vicarious 
liability or respondeat 

1451
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,600
Superior. 
So if the state disappeared and 

1452
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,100
we had our radical enter Capital
Society, you could have people 

1453
01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:48,400
get together and buy contract 
for more business organizations.

1454
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,000
They could call them whatever 
they want. 

1455
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,500
They can call the corporations 
or whatever. 

1456
01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:54,200
Just like, if people want to get
married that are gay and they 

1457
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,200
want to say they're married. 
They have the right to call it 

1458
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,400
whatever they want, you know. 
I mean, so I can call it a 

1459
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,900
corporation and I wouldn't, and 
the shareholders who gets 

1460
01:17:01,900 --> 01:17:04,200
invested money in this 
Corporation, wouldn't 

1461
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:08,100
necessarily have liability for 
torts or or, or acts done by 

1462
01:17:08,300 --> 01:17:10,500
employees of the corporation 
because they didn't perform 

1463
01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:12,400
them. 
So you don't need the state to 

1464
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,500
Grant you this this limited 
liability in the first place. 

1465
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:18,800
So it's not a privilege. 
Okay, last to wrap it up. 

1466
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,500
Go ahead, Keith just a, just a 
clarification on. 

1467
01:17:22,700 --> 01:17:24,400
If you don't like it. 
You could move. 

1468
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,900
Well, if you don't like the 
business, well more or less you 

1469
01:17:26,900 --> 01:17:27,600
can. 
Complain. 

1470
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,500
If you don't like the business, 
go to another one. 

1471
01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:34,300
Well, isn't that just what we 
say about or stata say about the

1472
01:17:34,308 --> 01:17:35,900
country. 
If you don't like, you know, the

1473
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:39,500
laws in America, you should move
this again does not appreciate 

1474
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:42,800
the foundational principle of 
original appropriation. 

1475
01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:47,200
I have a quote here from Chase 
Rachel's in spontaneous order. 

1476
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,900
We're just Nails it. 
He says the illegitimately of 

1477
01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:53,700
the state rests on the fact that
it exercises control over 

1478
01:17:53,700 --> 01:17:57,000
resources that it's agents. 
Never acquired through original.

1479
01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:00,000
Creation or voluntary exchange 
and it does. 

1480
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,500
So without the consent of the 
rightful owners of set of 

1481
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:06,000
resources. 
So I do get that a lot where 

1482
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:12,200
people are like, well you signed
a W-2 or you agreed to you know,

1483
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:15,400
competing governments are the 
same as competing organizations.

1484
01:18:15,500 --> 01:18:18,500
You have to deal with one of 
them in order to live there for 

1485
01:18:18,500 --> 01:18:20,300
companies and businesses are the
same thing. 

1486
01:18:20,500 --> 01:18:24,900
It again has just gotten us into
the mindset of private. 

1487
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:27,100
Good public bad. 
We need to brain. 

1488
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,300
Leslie defend one or the other 
without getting to the 

1489
01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:32,800
principles. 
So that is my position in 

1490
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,300
response to that allegation. 
Nice. 

1491
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:39,100
Okay. 
I can't pronounce your name. 

1492
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:43,100
Ben-shahar are written marriage 
contracts, enforceable for 

1493
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:49,800
damages for breach. 
This will take us far afield, 

1494
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:54,500
but in brief summary. 
The way I was Libertarians would

1495
01:18:54,500 --> 01:19:01,200
be a marriage is just a private 
non-legal and certainly should 

1496
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,100
be an on State and there should 
be a state. 

1497
01:19:03,100 --> 01:19:06,700
But marriage is just a 
relationship that people enter 

1498
01:19:06,700 --> 01:19:10,400
into and they can call, they can
call it whatever they want. 

1499
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:14,200
And if you know if 33 lesbians 
in a nun, get together and they 

1500
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,500
call themselves married. 
And if the rest of society, 

1501
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:20,300
doesn't choose to use the word 
marriage for that because it's, 

1502
01:19:20,900 --> 01:19:23,800
it's not the traditional. 
Then that's just a matter of 

1503
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,000
Civil Society. 
But I do believe that certain 

1504
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:32,400
relationships have legal 
consequences and in the law like

1505
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,800
in the civil law in my home 
state of Louisiana is called 

1506
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,600
matrimonial regimes and that's 
more of a property in a contract

1507
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,800
aspect. 
So, in other words, if two 

1508
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,900
people engage in an activity 
together, there can be legal 

1509
01:19:44,900 --> 01:19:47,800
consequences. 
Like if I let you ride in my car

1510
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,800
with me then I'm a plus M giving
you a license or permission to 

1511
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,000
use my Car to sit in my car, 
right? 

1512
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,700
So there's a natural activity, 
has some legal consequences, 

1513
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,000
likewise? 
If two people get married or 

1514
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,300
call themselves married, then 
that can have legal 

1515
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:08,000
consequences, like co-ownership 
of property, visitation rights 

1516
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,200
at hospitals, and Times of this 
power of attorney, type rights, 

1517
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,100
to make medical decisions. 
Available is incapacitated 

1518
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,100
guardianship rights over 
children. 

1519
01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:21,000
These are all the legal 
incidence that flow from this 

1520
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,500
private relationship. 
And they're essentially 

1521
01:20:23,500 --> 01:20:27,800
contractual and whatever the 
legal system is in society, of 

1522
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,600
course, ought to enforce and 
respect these contracts and the 

1523
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,300
will of the parties. 
And at the State monopolizes 

1524
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:39,900
marriage as it's done, then it 
has the obligation to make sure 

1525
01:20:39,900 --> 01:20:42,500
it's legal system, respects, the
wishes of the parties. 

1526
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:47,600
And so if it says you can only 
have a marriage legal incidence 

1527
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:52,000
of But marriage, direct ignition
of marriage and that has to be 

1528
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:56,100
man and a woman, then it's the 
States fault for denying 

1529
01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:59,500
enforceability of a similar 
regime that flows from a 

1530
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:02,600
homosexual Union, and I think 
they should be four. 

1531
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:08,000
Do that for me, gay couples by 
not allowing their unions to be 

1532
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:11,300
the legal aspects of it to be 
legally enforced. 

1533
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,000
Whether you if you have to call 
it marriage for it to get the 

1534
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,400
benefit of that, then the state.
That's the state's rules. 

1535
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:18,500
So fine. 
So I've been for gay marriage in

1536
01:21:18,500 --> 01:21:24,700
that sense for 20 years or 15 
years, but in a free market, in 

1537
01:21:24,700 --> 01:21:28,300
a free Society, you would just 
have people get together and 

1538
01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:31,100
have this Arrangement it be like
a little Corporation in a sense,

1539
01:21:31,100 --> 01:21:33,400
right? 
And the legal aspects of Of 

1540
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:36,000
aspects of it would be 
recognized by the property and 

1541
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,500
contract law of the legal 
system. 

1542
01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:41,700
Okay, so we're not going to get 
the most of the remaining 

1543
01:21:41,700 --> 01:21:45,900
questions. 
This will be the last one can a 

1544
01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:49,800
businesses from audion Godin. 
Can a business owner walk up and

1545
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,300
put their hand over your mouth 
because they don't like what you

1546
01:21:52,300 --> 01:21:54,700
say in their store. 
They could ask you to leave but 

1547
01:21:54,700 --> 01:21:56,600
they could not physically, 
prevent your speech. 

1548
01:21:56,700 --> 01:22:00,200
I like if, if my turns for 
entering my house is that you do

1549
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,900
not utter the word Facebook. 
Well, you And other the word 

1550
01:22:03,900 --> 01:22:06,300
Facebook in my house on pain of 
getting evicted? 

1551
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:08,000
Would you guys have to say about
that? 

1552
01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:13,000
Keith, you want to take a stab 
and then I can get my two cents.

1553
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:21,600
So, as far as that, you can make
any terms to your body and your 

1554
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,700
property. 
So, in other words, you're only 

1555
01:22:23,700 --> 01:22:25,700
allowed to come in side, my 
house. 

1556
01:22:25,700 --> 01:22:29,500
If you have a mask or you're 
only allowed, if you know, you 

1557
01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:31,200
want to sleep with me or 
something like that. 

1558
01:22:31,300 --> 01:22:34,300
While these might be ridiculous.
Yes, you have the right to 

1559
01:22:34,300 --> 01:22:36,400
exclude people. 
You have the right to say, I'm 

1560
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,100
not doing business with anyone 
and then you can start making 

1561
01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:39,700
terms. 
All right. 

1562
01:22:39,900 --> 01:22:42,800
Do business with some people. 
If they meet the criteria of 

1563
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:47,700
having masks or I will exclude 
Democrats, communist people 

1564
01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:50,400
advocating, the end of the 
family, Etc. 

1565
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,400
Yes. 
You would be morally justified 

1566
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:56,800
in doing that if he's or no. 
At first, I thought it was 

1567
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,700
asking about the mask mandates, 
and those, I almost question 

1568
01:23:00,700 --> 01:23:03,400
because we don't know what 
business is think because it's 

1569
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,300
always the state Governor saying
when you're inside of a 

1570
01:23:06,308 --> 01:23:09,000
business, you have to do it. 
So it's almost like you just 

1571
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,500
have to go in. 
Without one and if they don't 

1572
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:13,900
correct you then you know, this 
is a place where they don't care

1573
01:23:13,900 --> 01:23:17,200
and I think you should you 
should totally respect that. 

1574
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:22,100
So, yes, they are morally 
justified in putting their hand 

1575
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:27,000
over your mouth, to stop you 
from communicating if that is 

1576
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,600
the general understanding 
beforehand, just walking up to 

1577
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,900
someone and physically touching 
them. 

1578
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:35,700
I think that would be an 
invasion. 

1579
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,400
This is what I would consider 
physical interference with the 

1580
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,500
body. 
Autonomy of other individuals. 

1581
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,700
I think you need to give them. 
Hey, I don't like what you're 

1582
01:23:44,700 --> 01:23:46,000
saying. 
You have to get out. 

1583
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,400
Now. 
You can't say you're a 

1584
01:23:47,407 --> 01:23:49,500
trespasser and then blow their 
head off. 

1585
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,800
You have to give them. 
I don't know 20, 30 seconds to 

1586
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,400
get out something reasonable. 
I of course don't have the exact

1587
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,400
answer for that. 
That is how I would try to 

1588
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,100
approach that situation using, 
you know, Common Sense morality 

1589
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:06,000
along with libertarian 
fundamentals, right? 

1590
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,800
I would roughly agree with that.
And by the way that argument 

1591
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,700
contradicts your Your easement 
arguments book because Facebook 

1592
01:24:12,700 --> 01:24:14,500
can kick you out. 
Even though he didn't say they 

1593
01:24:14,500 --> 01:24:18,900
could, it's understood if 
someone comes into your house 

1594
01:24:19,300 --> 01:24:24,800
and you say no one, may say this
word or whatever, my house, that

1595
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,800
doesn't mean that you can put 
your hand over their mouth. 

1596
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:32,000
Because all it means is that you
can you can tell them to leave, 

1597
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,000
but you already have the right 
to tell them to leave. 

1598
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:38,700
And then if they refuse to leave
after you, You told him, you 

1599
01:24:38,700 --> 01:24:42,000
would say that a certain point, 
they do become a trespasser. 

1600
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,600
And I think at a certain point, 
force going to use to to kick 

1601
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,200
them out. 
And if they fight hard enough, I

1602
01:24:47,208 --> 01:24:50,500
mean it can even be lethal 
because if they pull a gun out 

1603
01:24:50,500 --> 01:24:52,500
and they fight you off that you 
could shoot them. 

1604
01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:55,100
But I mean, you know, if they 
escalated it could get as 

1605
01:24:55,100 --> 01:25:01,300
violent as necessary, but but 
it's not not to trespass when 

1606
01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:05,500
they well, the word, they've 
done something that they know is

1607
01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:07,400
going to get them kick. 
Get out. 

1608
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,600
All right. 
Well guys, thanks for joining us

1609
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,300
today. 
This has been a really fun show.

1610
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,300
I hope to have both of you back.
For many more of these 

1611
01:25:17,300 --> 01:25:18,900
discussions. 
This is what I live for. 

1612
01:25:18,900 --> 01:25:21,900
So, thank you guys for 
participating in chat. 

1613
01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:23,600
A lot of great questions and 
comments today. 

1614
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,200
Thanks for being respectful in 
the comments. 

1615
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,100
I appreciate that, too. 
That's a rare thing. 

1616
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:30,200
These days when the internet 
guys, you have any final. 

1617
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:33,700
Thoughts are last words, you 
want to pimp your platforms and 

1618
01:25:33,700 --> 01:25:35,500
where people can find more 
information about you. 

1619
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,100
Nothing really content-wise 
else. 

1620
01:25:40,300 --> 01:25:42,400
For me. 
If people could please check out

1621
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:46,300
my library and bitch you 
channels along with my YouTube. 

1622
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,700
My channel is Keith Knight. 
Don't tread on anyone. 

1623
01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:53,500
I meant about 590 videos and 
interviews, attempting to 

1624
01:25:53,500 --> 01:25:57,400
Advocate, the principles of 
self-ownership Truth in history,

1625
01:25:57,500 --> 01:26:01,500
free exchange of ideas, and 
philosophical libertarianism. 

1626
01:26:04,700 --> 01:26:07,400
I have been working on a book 
for quite a while, which is an 

1627
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:11,700
edited collection of some of my 
articles that cover a lot of the

1628
01:26:11,700 --> 01:26:16,200
theory that I'm rely upon here. 
And hopefully, I'll have it done

1629
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,100
in just a two or three months. 
It's going to be called law in 

1630
01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:21,900
the libertarian world. 
So stay tuned for that. 

1631
01:26:21,900 --> 01:26:26,200
It'll be free online everywhere 
and sold in paper at a 

1632
01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:29,300
basically, it cost. 
So, and it's already online in 

1633
01:26:29,300 --> 01:26:32,700
the old, the old articles are 
online already on my Stephan 

1634
01:26:32,700 --> 01:26:36,100
kinsella.com. 
So that's my next project. 

1635
01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:39,900
And then and then I'm going to 
work on a new IP book called 

1636
01:26:39,900 --> 01:26:43,100
copy this book, which is a 
restatement of all the stuff. 

1637
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:46,200
I've learned over the last 20 
years, discussing all these 

1638
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,800
issues. 
I'm looking forward to that 

1639
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,000
right now. 
Alright. 

1640
01:26:50,900 --> 01:26:52,300
Alright guys, thanks for 
watching. 

1641
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:53,800
We will see you next time.