1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,320 Welcome to Keep an Eye, Don't tread on anyone in the 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,240 Libertarian Institute. Today, I am joined by Angela 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,880 McArdle, the Chairwoman of the Libertarian Party. 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,440 We're going to be talking about what the LP stands for along 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,720 with the Rage Against the War Machine rally. 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,480 Angela, tell us about this rally. 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,680 Hey, thanks for having me on. So you know February the 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,360 beginning of this year the Libertarian party and the 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,520 People's Party which is like a left wing populist group got 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,840 together and held a big anti war rally And it was sort of the the 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:42,520 flagship you know anti war movement like kick off we we we 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,120 said you know what we want to reunite everybody. 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,040 We want to get together, we want to kick off the the anti war 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,520 movement again. It seems like it's sort of 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,520 fizzled out a little bit and everybody's off in their own 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,040 corners. So we had a great rally. 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,040 It was Memorial Day. I'm sorry, it was Presidents Day 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:02,000 weekend at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC and we're 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,200 doing it again. We're doing it again. 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,200 Rage Against the War Machine. Two Point O is coming. 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,840 Defeat the Deep State. And we're going to be bringing 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,600 everybody together to to talk about the relationship between 23 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,080 the Deep state and the war machine. 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,920 You were on the Joe Walsh podcast. 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,720 I thought you did an excellent job there and he had, to my 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:30,120 surprise actually said oh Oh no Angela, I'm anti war too with 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,520 all the confidence in the world. So all right, here we are saying 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,000 we're anti war and he's anti war along with Bill Kristol by the 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,680 way who only supports interventions because those are 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,560 going to, you know, stop future wars from coming to fruition. 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Help us narrow this down. What does it mean to be anti 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,480 war? So you know, from a libertarian 33 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,040 perspective, I'm a I'm a non interventionist. 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,160 It should be fairly simple, right? 35 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,960 Like I don't want to wage war on other countries. 36 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,800 The National Defense should literally be defensive and a lot 37 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,200 of people split hairs over it and they say, well we gotta, you 38 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,960 know, we gotta annihilate them before they annihilate us. 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,840 From my perspective that has just not been found to be true. 40 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,560 We should have our troops here and they should only be reserved 41 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,280 for an emergency imminent threat on US soil. 42 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,920 That's what it means to be anti war from my perspective. 43 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,360 One of the things that I learned from people like Thomas Sowell 44 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,720 is it's not what should be done, but who should decide what is to 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,040 be done so well. Yes, we both support, you know, 46 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,840 defending the homeland from aggressors, both foreign and 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,080 domestic. Any idea that revolves around 48 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,440 delegating this responsibility to politicians who face no 49 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,840 consequence, basically no consequence at all for being 50 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,240 wrong. And they're spending other 51 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,800 people's money and they claim the right to conscript with the 52 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,080 Selective Service Act, and they have access to a central bank. 53 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,440 It seems like anyone who genuinely cares about National 54 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,720 Defense would want politicians to be the very last people in 55 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,280 line to be responsible for ushering in this alleged safety. 56 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,320 When it comes to alternatives to going to war, what are some 57 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,560 things that come to mind as far as Could it be diplomacy? 58 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,640 Could it be free trade? Could it be private defence? 59 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:17,480 What do you think about in that case? 60 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,680 I think diplomacy and free trade are are the two of the most 61 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,360 critical things to to peaceful foreign policy and slowly 62 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,480 removing yourself from entangling alliances as well. 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,160 It's a real mess how we're involved with NATO, you know the 64 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,760 UN, although it's not as war mongering as NATO, it does 65 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,360 present international entangling alliances and complications. 66 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,600 Foreign aid, ending foreign aid is a really big one too. 67 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:49,000 We should just not be involved in other countries military 68 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,920 operations, as when we get rid of that we solve, I think, a lot 69 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,040 of these problems. I was fortunate enough to sit 70 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,400 down with the campaign advisor of one of the Great China Hawks 71 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,200 that is running as a Republican. And I said, why are you such a 72 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,880 hawk on China? You admire Richard Nixon, who 73 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:14,000 went to Beijing and shook hands with Chairman Mao Zedong. 74 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,839 Are you telling me we can't shake hands with President Xi? 75 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,000 There was a formal alliance with Joseph Stalin, whose crimes in 76 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,240 Ukraine far exceeded Vladimir Putin. 77 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,560 Not that I'm a Putin apologist, but it's really incredible to 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,760 say, All right, yeah, we can have a alliance with Stalin. 79 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,520 We can be friends with Chairman Mao. 80 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,640 Nixon also shook hands with Emperor Hirohito in the the 70s, 81 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,640 who was the emperor of Japan during the Second World War. 82 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,840 But, you know, when it comes to Putin, and she, of course we 83 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:45,200 can't. Why is it that there's such a, 84 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,960 there's such a dichotomy between who the elites, you know, claim 85 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,320 to say is that is a a crazy psychopath who cannot be 86 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,600 negotiated with. And also, well, we're good 87 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,760 friends with Mohammed bin Salomon in Saudi Arabia, but can 88 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,680 you help us square that circle? I mean, I think we've gotten 89 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,800 ourselves into a lot of entangling alliances and we 90 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,480 think that we need to be the world police and the enemy of my 91 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,920 enemy is, is my friend. That's what we see going on with 92 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,280 with Iran and and Israel and and Saudi Arabia. 93 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,600 But more so than that, I I think that we don't have politicians 94 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,120 who have the stones to do the courageous thing. 95 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,720 It's we we have this problem where we want to export 96 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,360 democracy and we want to sort of rule different parts of the 97 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,840 world with brute force. And you make a lot more friends. 98 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,280 You know, it's it's very like, it's like how to win friends and 99 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:42,000 influence people, right? One of the reasons I think that 100 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,280 Donald Trump did a good job with his negotiations with North 101 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:49,680 Korea is that he was willing to actually treat those people with 102 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,960 a little bit of respect. And I don't like what's happened 103 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,960 to the people in North Korea. I I think that's atrocious. 104 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,440 I don't want anybody living under tyrannical, you know, 105 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,640 poverty conditions, but we want to influence people with, you 106 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,040 know, a positive message and being their friend and try to 107 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,720 win them over. We don't want to threaten to 108 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,040 nuke them off the planet. I just that's just not the way 109 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:17,280 to to spread influence. That's so important because my 110 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:21,320 general anti war position is the costs are extraordinarily high, 111 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,800 usually in civilian death, civilian trauma, civilians 112 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,080 getting their limbs blown off, soldiers dying. 113 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:31,960 And two, the consequences are so unforeseen that Barack Obama 114 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,880 wrote a book allegedly titled A Promised Land. 115 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,880 And he talks about how, you know, we had this great idea 116 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,240 about going into Libya and removing Colonel Gaddafi in 117 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,440 2011. It cost us a fraction of what we 118 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,760 were spending in Afghanistan and Iraq in like a single day in 119 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,200 those places we spent on this entire operation, and we removed 120 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,840 the dictator. And then on the like 10 pages 121 00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:00,480 later, he goes on to say. Unfortunately, due to a lack of 122 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,240 a historical president with regard to democratic 123 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,360 institutions, the results were less desirable than we had. 124 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,120 Planned less desirable. LIFG Al Qaeda in Libya ended up 125 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,720 taking over that. They filled the vacuum, the very 126 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,720 power vacuum that they say, you know, us libertarians are going 127 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,120 to create the status actually create. 128 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,280 It's nuts. They talk about regime change 129 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,400 and like mass murder and death, like how I might say like, oh 130 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,760 man, I tried a new recipe and it didn't work out. 131 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,840 Like, it's not like meatloaf. It's, you know, thousands, 132 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,880 sometimes millions of people's lives. 133 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,560 It's not like, oh, I guess we'll get take out to today. 134 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,640 It's really, I don't, I don't really understand fully that 135 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,600 level of hubris. Like, I've never felt that 136 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,480 disconnected from the rest of humanity and that above them all 137 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,560 to just kind of thumb my nose and be like, sorry we murdered 138 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,200 you, you know, it just didn't work out. 139 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,520 We'll we'll try the same thing in some other country and maybe 140 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,120 it'll work out for those people. Well, they always come to their 141 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,480 senses when we're talking about a domestic conflict. 142 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,000 They'll say, you know, oh, you cannot use violence, which, 143 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,480 which I agree with, you know, so you can't just go storming into 144 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,320 the Capitol and demanding change and all this stuff, 'cause 145 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,520 that's just, that's barbaric. By the way, if we don't like 146 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,200 what another regime is doing, we'll have, you know, dozens of 147 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,960 bombing campaigns for maybe a decade, kill tons of civilians. 148 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,600 Well, one second ago it was really bad to use violence with 149 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,360 regard to achieving our ends. But now it's oh, we can never 150 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,000 appease anyone. And if any regime does anything 151 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,360 we don't like, well, civilians aren't really a matter of 152 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,280 course. It it's just so sad. 153 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,960 OK, so all this we can pin on things like the media and the 154 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,440 schooling system when it comes to what the LP is doing to 155 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,760 combat the narratives that the media pushes forward, along with 156 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,400 state education. What are some good alternatives? 157 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,920 Oh man. Well, you know, we're we're 158 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,600 pushing right now this thing called Operation Warhawk removal 159 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,960 where we have candidates who are running at the federal level who 160 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:03,840 are running principled anti war messaging campaigns and are 161 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,160 going to be attacking really hard their competition during 162 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,720 their competition's primary season. 163 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,160 You know, the idea is we want to not just attack you, you know, 164 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,200 at the polls in the general election, we want to hit you 165 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,480 where it hurts with your with your fellow party members, with 166 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,760 the people who are supposed to be on your side. 167 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,880 So that's something that we're doing right now to try to to get 168 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,400 the word out right. It's not just attacking other 169 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,800 candidates, but it's also going to be an aggressive information 170 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,480 campaign, radio ads on conservative talk radio and so 171 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,120 on and so forth. Okay. 172 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,120 And when it comes to reaching the younger generation, I love 173 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,200 books like have you read the Tuttle Twin series or anything 174 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,880 that people like Connor Boy I have done. 175 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,080 I absolutely love those. And it's great because it's not 176 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,840 a it's not too direct where you see what's going on. 177 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,200 You can really give someone the book for their kids and they 178 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,960 enjoy the vast majority of it. And then it's really at the end 179 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,560 where the lesson is extracted when it comes to making sure 180 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:06,600 that the state doesn't have a monopoly on the minds of the 181 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,840 young. What are some areas you like to 182 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,480 focus on there? I I think, you know, peaceful 183 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,200 parenting is something that's really important. 184 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,760 I have AI have a toddler. We have, we have Tuttle toddlers 185 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,080 books, which are pretty cool, the little hard cardboard books. 186 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,320 One of the things that I think the Republicans just 187 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,200 consistently lose on is youth outreach. 188 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,000 And so we have had a concerted effort to do some more college 189 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,000 outreach and high school outreach from the LP, trying to 190 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,920 get people to go into schools and talk with, you know, 191 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,960 political classes, economics classes, history classes. 192 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,560 You'll find that a lot of people have never heard of things like 193 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:49,800 the whole little more they don't know about the crimes of Joseph 194 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,720 Stalin. You know, we're just trying to 195 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,960 engage young people. I would, I would also encourage 196 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,720 and love to see a lot of young people attend our rally. 197 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,800 One of the things that the Libertarian Party has been 198 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,760 trying to do in the last couple of years as we go through a lot 199 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,000 of changes and reform, is to make the party more family 200 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,960 friendly and not let the libertarianism be something 201 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,440 that's like siloed off and reserved just for adults. 202 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,800 I think there's a whole like wealth of knowledge that you can 203 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,040 share with your children at a pace that you feel comfortable 204 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,160 with. You know, like you don't have to 205 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,720 necessarily talk about mass murder and things like that. 206 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,120 You can talk about self ownership and personal 207 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,400 responsibility and non violence. I think that's a great place to 208 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,320 start. You can just tell the kids, hey, 209 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,160 you know what the teacher told you about Don't hit, don't 210 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,440 steal. Yeah, OK Don't have any double 211 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,600 standards for that principle. Don't have this major gaping 212 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,400 exception for a group of people called government. 213 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,120 If I may do a shameless plug for my new book, Domestic 214 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,360 Imperialism 9 Reasons I Left Progressivism, there are two 215 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,120 main things that got me to leave progressivism and become a 216 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,280 libertarian. The first thing was thinking 217 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,360 that Progressivism had something to do with being really 218 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,800 compassionate. Once you really see what the 219 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,640 progressive is doing, what they're actually engaged in is 220 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,360 putting massive obligations on strangers through the state in 221 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,760 order to achieve their end. Which, whether or not, you know, 222 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,440 the War on Poverty solves poverty or not, it's not like we 223 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,560 get any apologies or any refunds or any retractions. 224 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,160 And then the second thing was I thought that the way to empower 225 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,560 people was to give them one vote every four years between 2 226 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:29,720 politicians. Turns out the way to actually 227 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,040 empower people is to give them economic freedom. 228 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,480 When As far as things you've learned as chair of the 229 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,480 Libertarian Party, what are some great ways to communicate to 230 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,240 progressives? And then we'll get into 231 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,040 conservatives. But let's just start with the 232 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,600 progressive mindset. What have you learned as far as 233 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,120 effective communication tactics? I work with a lot of people on 234 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,360 the left, you know, like this rally is a left right coalition 235 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,640 and I've worked with with people on the left through Food Not 236 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:00,240 Bombs and and other interesting little like left wing anarchist 237 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:07,480 movements and I think voluntarism and just showing how 238 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,760 private organizations, sometimes people get a little bit 239 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,360 triggered if you say private charity, but voluntary actions, 240 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,680 right. Individuals can come together 241 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,560 and and work together and and make like real positive change. 242 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,120 I really do think that it just starts with like the human 243 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,400 connection to, you know, sometimes yelling at people on 244 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,360 the Internet is not the way to to win friends and and influence 245 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,840 people showing them, you know, proof of concept working 246 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,360 together. That's genuinely how you can 247 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,840 change minds. There was an interesting part in 248 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,040 your discussion with Caleb Maupin where you had said 249 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,800 something to the extent of how people should be able to achieve 250 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,760 their ends in life and this would also extend to something 251 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,960 medically related. So you shouldn't necessarily 252 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,080 need a license in order for two consenting adults to engage in, 253 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,880 you know, anything medically related. 254 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,280 You can go based off certifications and voluntary 255 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,480 reputation organizations. And Moppin seemed very surprised 256 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,280 about this, to which you had mentioned that you actually 257 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,800 stitched, you know, someone in your house. 258 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,800 And. Turns out you don't need decades 259 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,200 of licensing, and it's schooling for for things like that. 260 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,120 Does this really get to the heart of it? 261 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,000 That there's some people who say I get to take the risk I own 262 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,520 myself, and there's others who say you have to delegate to the 263 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,440 authorities. I feel like there's a big lesson 264 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,560 there we can extract as far as where our different starting 265 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,560 points are on approaching these issues. 266 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,520 I think so. And sometimes it's sort of a 267 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,360 complicated, burdensome conversation. 268 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,440 But talking about regulatory frameworks and barriers to entry 269 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,680 into, you know, licensed professions is is a huge like 270 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,040 problem from the American Medical healthcare. 271 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,800 You know, like for example, if you go to Thailand, you can pay 272 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,800 out of pocket. This is Thailand, It's not the 273 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,480 United States. Pay out of pocket a couple $1000 274 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,680 and you have a really nice hospital stay for a few days and 275 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,120 you get treated for a moderate to serious medical condition. 276 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:09,760 You can't have that in the United States. 277 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,480 It'll cost you 36,050 thousand, maybe more. 278 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,360 And it's because they don't have the same regulatory and and 279 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,000 capture and and licensure and all of those problems you you 280 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,160 get treated nicely, you know that cause generally when we go 281 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,080 and we seek help for a serious problem, we're fairly discerning 282 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,880 'cause we're like, oh, my life is at risk and you don't just 283 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,840 pick up some, you know, random hobo on the street, you're like, 284 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,760 OK, what's can I see your resume? 285 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,600 Who else did you treat? You know, we do referrals and 286 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,360 when we talk about making things affordable, you know, all of a 287 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,960 sudden the conversation with the left becomes a lot less hostile. 288 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,320 You know, it's like, I want you to have a better quality of 289 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,200 life. I want you to have healthcare 290 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,640 and I want you to thrive. And then we, we should always be 291 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,480 having conversations from these kind of like worldview levels, 292 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,400 not necessarily policy levels. Like, always start there. 293 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,400 And like, what do we agree on? We agree on human flourishing 294 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,360 and like prosperity, and then get a little bit more granular 295 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,240 as the conversation progresses. It is amazing because the status 296 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,160 wedge that is continually getting in between people, it's 297 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,600 like, all right, I want to have this conversation on healthcare 298 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,000 about how I want it to to to be more affordable, more 299 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,760 accessible. But two minutes ago you were 300 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,520 telling me that I should lose my job if I don't get the shot. 301 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,800 And you were telling me my house should be confiscated from me if 302 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,040 I don't chip in through property taxes. 303 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,480 Maybe I'd like you to have healthcare, but I'm certainly 304 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,240 not going to fight for it. It seems like at every stage, 305 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,440 the more statism we have, the more divided the population is 306 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,680 than the otherwise would be. It's like we see so many 307 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,480 examples of churches and communities bringing people 308 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,920 together, but everything with the state almost necessarily 309 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,240 involves an enemy, necessarily involves dividing people of 310 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,480 goodwill. What is the libertarian unifying 311 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,560 message that's going to unite Americans as opposed to the 312 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,920 Democrats and Republicans who are constantly using arbitrary 313 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,040 divides? You know, that's a really good 314 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,000 question, something I need to work on and really refine for 315 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,040 2024. But essentially, you know, we 316 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:20,920 want, we want people to prosper in 2024 in the future, and we 317 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,359 want you to do that with as little pain as possible. 318 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,240 We want you to earn what you keep and we believe in the 319 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,000 American dream and we just want it to be accessible. 320 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,760 I think that's where we're really at right now. 321 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,240 Oh yes, excellent. Here is an article from the Hill 322 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,160 Five things the Libertarian Party Stands for. 323 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,440 Tell me if this is accurate. Inaccurate. 324 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,400 A little misleading. What's going on here? 325 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,560 So moving to the right side of the aisle, they say economic 326 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:53,480 conservatives, libertarians have faith in the free market and 327 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,440 believe that there's little the government can do to pressure 328 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,160 business or individuals that would be better than the power 329 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,000 of the invisible hand. Anything wrong with this 330 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,760 paragraph? I mean, I think that that's 331 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,880 pretty good for the Hill considering that they, you know, 332 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,120 they write some pretty nasty articles about us sometimes. 333 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,320 I mean, faith is probably not quite the way that I would put 334 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,000 it. Of course you got to have faith 335 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,960 in something, all right? Is it the voluntary sector or 336 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,760 the political sector? Yeah, it's not easy to have 337 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,880 faith in your average human beings. 338 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,840 People can let you down, but they act like there's two 339 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,920 there's two things you can have. You can either have faith or 340 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,960 certainty. What kind of certainty do these 341 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,000 politicians give us? Besides, we know that they'll 342 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,880 lie, and we know that they'll start wars based on lies. 343 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:49,120 Faith stood out to me as totally misleading, OK? 344 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,800 So a little condescending is is how I would say that it's a 345 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,840 little condescending. Next paragraph. 346 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:01,680 This means unrestricted competition among financial 347 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,080 institutions, as well as the elimination of the Internal 348 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,880 Revenue Service, Social Security and income taxes. 349 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,920 Anything wrong with this? Well, I mean unrestricted is 350 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:18,880 kind of a scare word, right. Unrestricted competition, I mean 351 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,880 competition is extremely restricted right now, but I mean 352 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,320 it's disproportionate because it's we don't get to compete 353 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,040 with the government in a lot of ways. 354 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,680 You know, unrestricted is not a is not a bad thing. 355 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,280 I mean, what about market free market constraints? 356 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,120 You know, the market constraints itself in a lot of ways, yeah. 357 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,880 I never saw the free market, as you know, totally unrestricted, 358 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,040 that there's a huge restriction, which is I can't get a second of 359 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,280 your time or a penny out of your pocket unless I create some 360 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,720 value that you choose to engage with consensually. 361 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:58,000 So it's creating these constant hurdles of I need to keep 362 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,800 pleasing the customers or they'll go elsewhere. 363 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,320 I need to keep pleasing the employees or they'll go 364 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,880 elsewhere. The idea that it's unrestricted 365 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:09,040 and really they're the ones who are. 366 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,680 Look at how competitive democracy is, seeing Chris 367 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,400 Christie and Nikki Haley and Ramaswamy go at each other. 368 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,040 Is that not competitive? Is, you know, taking a candidate 369 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,400 off the ballot in Colorado? Is that not, you know, being 370 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,280 ultra competitive? Yeah, it's that's pretty nuts. 371 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,840 I mean the, yeah, government has a monopoly I suppose. 372 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,600 Could you imagine though if socks were like, if the sock 373 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,120 industry was run like the government, we're going to 374 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:39,320 regulate socks like like the DMV. 375 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,600 You get small, medium and large, light brown and dark brown. 376 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,720 You can, you want any other color you got to get a permit. 377 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,440 Like it would be out of control. It's like free market scare 378 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,520 tactics. Next paragraph. 379 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,240 The main argument is that social pressure and the free market 380 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,920 will convince individuals and companies to donate to charity 381 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,840 to help the less fortunate, replacing the need for 382 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,040 government run social safety net or make business decisions to 383 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,200 protect the environment in the hopes of being rewarded by those 384 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,360 market forces. And in the free market, 385 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:14,600 companies live and die without the help of government. 386 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,280 So no bailouts? Anything wrong or misleading in 387 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,400 these two? OK. 388 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:25,040 Well, I like that they mentioned no bailouts, but I mean private 389 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,680 charity. Well, sure, but what about the 390 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,040 family structure? What about things like, you 391 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,920 know, free market insurance and insurance costing a lot less and 392 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,280 groups that pull together. What is it? 393 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,520 You know, I can't think of the term all of a sudden. 394 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,640 They're illegal now. Immigrant groups used to have 395 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,800 them, yeah. All of those things existed 396 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,400 independent of aggressive taxation and, you know, prior to 397 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,440 it and and heavy regulation, a lot more people used to also 398 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,000 have their own workers comp insurance in case workers. 399 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,560 Yeah, in case you were injured on the job, you would pay 7 or 400 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,280 $8 a month and you had your own, your own policy. 401 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,200 It's just such, a, well, you know, it is the Hill. 402 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,960 It's it's not super flattering. Final thing on economic 403 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,040 conservatism or advocating for free market policies. 404 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,920 Here is a chart by the American Enterprise Institute titled by 405 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,120 Mark Perry, Chart of the Day or Century and it measures price 406 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:35,560 changes from January of 2000 to December of 2020. 407 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,040 Now walk us through what we find on this graph and some lessons 408 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,720 we can extract. OK, hospital services, college 409 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:50,440 tuition, Medicare services, those are all very heavily 410 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:55,400 regulated, and government money is pumped into every single one 411 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:01,040 of them, whether it was COVID treatments, federal grants, 412 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,680 Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare. 413 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,240 Food and Drug Administration. The industry, it just goes on 414 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,360 and on and on. Average hourly wage housing, 415 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,800 food and beverages. So those are the Reds. 416 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,200 The all the things we see the state regulating and subsidizing 417 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,680 are getting are drastically increasing in price. 418 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,920 As far as do you have a general theory as to why some things 419 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,040 decrease in price? Because it seems like the 420 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,200 progressives who who would say, well, TV's are privatized, so 421 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,960 you know, the private companies are just going to charge, they 422 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,080 should just, yeah, it should be $3,000,000 of TV. 423 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,480 The latest TV should be $11 billion and the price should 424 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,160 just keep going up, right. The way that it works, right is 425 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,760 that you're, you decide, I'm going to, you know, charge 426 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,640 $10.00 for my widget and the government comes along and they 427 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,560 says, well, there's good news, we have $9 worth of widget 428 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,800 subsidies were passing out and I say I think I'm going to charge 429 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:12,880 $19.00 for my widgets because I knew that people could afford 10 430 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,840 on their own and now they've got an extra 9. 431 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,680 And so I'm just going to absorb that. 432 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,120 That's that's how that works. That is literally how that 433 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:23,200 works. When it comes to things we can 434 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,520 learn from the success of Javier Malay, recently elected 435 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,440 president of Argentina, his messaging seemed very 436 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,520 Rothbardian. As far as going populist, being 437 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,720 very pro liberty, being very unapologetic, what are some 438 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,760 things that come to mind as far as what we can learn in America 439 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,560 from his example in Argentina? He told the truth. 440 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,600 He did not pull any punches. He told the truth. 441 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,880 He did not care about decorum. He was coarse. 442 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,320 He was crass. He was blunt and to the point. 443 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,200 He also wrapped libertarianism in a populist wave. 444 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,160 Because you need to appeal to people, and if you get up there 445 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,640 and just literally quote Man, Economy and State 1100 pages of 446 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,920 technical libertarian jargon, they're not going to get it. 447 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,000 But what they do understand is that government ruined my life. 448 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,200 Everything costs more. I can't afford anything. 449 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,600 Everything sucks. Whose fault is it? 450 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,920 It's government's fault. Why AB and C? 451 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,000 Inflation. Who did it? 452 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,360 The government. Get rid of these agencies. 453 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,480 Keep your own money. This is really simple, very 454 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,520 direct, aggressive message. And it's fascinating to watch 455 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,840 this work because there's such such a debate in the United 456 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,920 States and the Libertarian Party especially, and somewhat in the 457 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,680 broader movement about what sort of messaging really turns people 458 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,360 on and what will win an election. 459 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:47,600 And there you go, that one. You know, seeing the footage of 460 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,840 the cops basically killing Eric Garner on camera, I I don't know 461 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,600 all the details, but I remember that was just so inexcusable and 462 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,400 so traumatizing for some reason. That pisses me off a heck of a 463 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,200 lot more than all the mass murder campaigns that they've 464 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,800 gone on since. I don't know, the US Philippine 465 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,240 War, the US Civil War, whatever. There is something about 466 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,880 storytelling and focusing on the suffering of one individual, 467 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,080 seeing it in person, actually seeing him crying out, you know, 468 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,000 of all this stuff. So when it comes to actual 469 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,760 stories, we can tell to really invoke and, you know, arouse the 470 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:27,120 emotions of the masses, What are some things that come to mind as 471 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:31,080 far as stories or so? Not narratives, but individual. 472 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,840 Stories. We can tell stories, yeah. 473 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,080 Oh man, I don't want to get dark, but you know, the one that 474 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,160 really, like, tore me up most recently was Justin Amash 475 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,040 talking about his little, his seeing his little cousin, Baby 476 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,880 George, pulled out of the rubble in Palestine. 477 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:53,920 It's, I mean, like now that I have a baby I my threshold, my, 478 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,160 my ability to tolerate seeing that sort of carnage is is 479 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,080 greatly diminished. I had to, like, I had to like, 480 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,080 shamefully admit, like I couldn't look at it very long, 481 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:08,120 had to scroll away. But I mean, that's what American 482 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:14,080 foreign policy does like. It kills young Orthodox 483 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,680 Christian babies in churches overseas. 484 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,440 People have to dig through the rubble and pull up. 485 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,360 And he just was like a little sleeping Angel covered in grey 486 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,280 ash, you know? But his little spirit had left 487 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,760 his body. Like, that's what our foreign 488 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,520 policy does. And if you're not excited about 489 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,400 changing it, you know that's what your tax dollars do. 490 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,960 And I know that we don't support it, right? 491 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,240 Like, no one says I wake up in the morning and I want children 492 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,800 and babies to die. But we should get fired up over 493 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,320 wanting, wanting to make a change and and one of the 494 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,720 simplest changes we can do is to stop voting for people who say 495 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,760 yes, I want to commit murder overseas. 496 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:01,120 And the incredible revelations by Scott Horton and Connor 497 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:04,120 Freeman at the Libertarian Institute, where this had been 498 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:07,960 well known before, but they really put it front and center. 499 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,000 Dave Smith brought it up on. The Joe Rogan experience is that 500 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,360 even if you say, well, actually none of this is America or 501 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:16,200 Israel's fault, it's all the fault of Hamas. 502 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,080 It turns out, according to places like the Times of Israel, 503 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:24,720 there was an explicit plan for the Likud Party to promote Hamas 504 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,000 by allowing money to come in from Qatar. 505 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,200 So they could say, look, this radical organization runs Gaza, 506 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,680 we can't make peace with them. So you can't expect us to, you 507 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,360 know, justify something like a Palestinian state, 'cause 508 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,080 they're basically competing against the Palestinian 509 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,120 Liberation Organization or Fatah. 510 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,560 So it turns out, even in this example, that Hamas is almost 511 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,400 not necessarily a creation of Likud or the IDF, but certainly 512 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,760 got tons of money and tons of power as a causal result of the 513 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Israeli regime. On steroids, our tax dollars go 514 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,600 to enable the Israeli army to do this sort of thing. 515 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,800 It would be unheard of if we waged this kind of warfare on 516 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,960 Mexican civilians in response to something cartels did in the 517 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,160 United States. It would be insane and it's just 518 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,680 an insane thing for us to give someone else money to go and do 519 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,320 that. And they're not killing evil, 520 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,040 scary, machine gun toting infidels. 521 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,720 They're killing people who are hiding in terror in a church 522 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,640 with their young children. Even Charlie Kirk spoke out 523 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,240 against it like and that encourages me, you know, and and 524 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,360 I love that about social media is that people here in the 525 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,120 United States can see what's going on and they can question 526 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,600 it and they can say too far, too far Israeli government. 527 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,200 Yes, and credit to Candace Owens as well, who had Norman 528 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,520 Finkelstein on her show and let him give like a 60 minute 529 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,920 monologue. It is great to see these people 530 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,000 coming around, not throwing out everything they already believe 531 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,200 in, but embracing the pro-life message of all messages and 532 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,920 saying, you know, we could also take this it's wrong to murder 533 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,600 people and extend it to an area called the West Bank, East 534 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,560 Jerusalem and Gaza. So yes, I actually didn't know 535 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,680 that about Charlie Kirk, but I want to see exactly what he 536 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,200 said. Yeah, look it up on Twitter. 537 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,120 You can see his exchange with the Israeli government. 538 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,280 It's so wild, the times that we live in. 539 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,760 Well, hey, thank you Elon Musk, for taking Twitter. 540 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,040 Maybe it would have happened with Adam. 541 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,240 But either way, I've always said there are sort of two ways to 542 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,040 look at the world. There's bin Ladenism and then 543 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,640 there's libertarianism. If you look at bin Laden 544 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,520 writings when he's asked about. So this is in a book titled 545 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,800 Jihad Declarations, Interviews and Speeches by Osama bin Laden, 546 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,840 edited by Brad K Brenner. And in it he's, you know, 547 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,680 talking about people ask us about, you know, the civilians 548 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,560 we're killing, whether it's Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula 549 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,680 or Al Qaeda operating in Manhattan. 550 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,440 And he goes, you are, you know, the Democrats of the world. 551 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,120 You guys have democracy. Your leaders are self are not 552 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480 self appointed, but they're elected by the people. 553 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,720 So the people are in charge. So us responding to the 554 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,920 politicians is no different than responding to the civilians. 555 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,280 So the bin Laden worldview holds everyone in a collectivist way 556 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,360 responsible for the crimes of the politicians, whereas the 557 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,360 libertarians say not only do they not represent us, the 558 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,640 politicians are the parasites within society. 559 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,640 What do you think about this as a genuine divide that we could 560 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,440 get behind? You're either a libertarian who 561 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,640 advocates peace and non aggression towards non 562 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,880 aggressors or you're a bin Laden I who holds people responsible 563 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,440 for the actions of their politicians. 564 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,560 I think it's a really great point to make. 565 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,480 And you know, a lot of Bin Ladens initial points that he 566 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,760 made in his, you know, letter declaring jihad on on the United 567 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,400 States were also some of them were printed in the beginning of 568 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,120 Scott Horton's book. Enough already. 569 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,520 I highly recommend people go read them. 570 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,120 He's going to do several things for you. 571 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,040 You're going to be like, wow, this man was really direct and 572 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,560 clear about why he was pissed off. 573 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,800 He really talked about what we were doing over there in the in 574 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,680 the Middle East and the United States government. 575 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,240 Uh huh. Uh huh. 576 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,120 I agree. I agree. 577 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,040 And then you're gonna get to a point. 578 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,160 You're gonna be like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 579 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,680 I don't think that you should murder everybody over here 580 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,800 because you're mad with what my military did. 581 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,280 It's a really eye opening thing. And that, you know, like I hope 582 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,880 that it would make people become very critical of their own 583 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,440 foreign policy because you don't wanna, you don't want people 584 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,720 doing that to you. And you know, I don't want 585 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,160 people doing that to me. I I don't want to be blown up 586 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,440 because bin Laden or someone else is mad because of blood 587 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,720 sucking Dick Cheney. You know and and his stuff that 588 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,400 I don't agree with. Oh, and none of these 589 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,360 Republicans want to be held accountable for what Joe Biden 590 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,320 democratically elected Joe Biden does. 591 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,360 No Democrats like, well, if Trump did it, you know, I 592 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,240 basically signed off by being a member of this, you know, 593 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,720 political entity called America. No one actually thinks this. 594 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,040 It's just nonsense that they have repeated. 595 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,840 I want to talk about three more people who I consider cultural 596 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,480 leaders. We talked about Javier Malay. 597 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,640 What is something you learned from Jimmy Dore as to you know 598 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,200 why he is so likeable? Was with The Young Turks now on 599 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,080 his own and I thought he did. He gives excellent speeches and 600 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,080 he's he's not just a little anti war. 601 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,680 He's so passionately on our side hates this mass murder regime. 602 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,640 What is a lesson we can learn from Jimmy Dore as far as, you 603 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,880 know, educating and riling up people to really understand the 604 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,200 importance of this message? Comedy. 605 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,080 There's something that that Jimmy Dore and Dave Smith have 606 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,120 that is, I think very special. And they're very skilled 607 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,960 communicators and they're used to communicating with audiences 608 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,400 and they're used to making people laugh. 609 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,000 And they tried over and over and over again, which means that 610 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,720 they also had to bomb early on, over and over and over again. 611 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,360 And so, you know, what I extrapolate from all of that is 612 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,639 determination, trying commitment, doing it over and 613 00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,719 over and over again, becoming good at communicating with human 614 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,159 beings in a different way, in a different format, relating to 615 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,199 them. And then taking all of that 616 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,239 energy and everything you've learned and putting it into 617 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,159 foreign policy so that you can really communicate with people. 618 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,000 You know, how to tug on their heartstrings, you know, how to 619 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,040 make them laugh and you know how to do call back humor. 620 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,679 Right. Oh, well, I'm telling you a 621 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,440 bunch of facts. And then, you know, the story 622 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,280 kind of goes on and then you jump right back to, oh, this 623 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,280 poignant part right here. You know what? 624 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,600 What bin Laden said, what you saw here, what XY and Z. 625 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,199 You know, This is why it's all happening. 626 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,840 I I I love that about them. Sure. 627 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,880 And a final person know we can hopefully try to emulate and 628 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,480 extract lessons from Ron Paul. What comes to mind as far as 629 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,280 lessons we could learn from who did someone to this day, who, 630 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,200 even though he was a Republican of course, was on our side on 631 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,840 almost every issue. Lessons from Ron Paul we can 632 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,680 extract and implement today to spread the message of freedom. 633 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,040 You know, Ron Paul was polite, but he was courageous and he 634 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,600 always told the truth. He told the truth and he didn't 635 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,240 pull his punches. He didn't have to get worked up. 636 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,680 He didn't have to be angry, he didn't have to swear at 637 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,760 everybody, but he never sugar coated it. 638 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,360 You know, Ron Paul's Giuliani moment was is just like a 639 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,480 really, I think it was really life changing moment for me. 640 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,880 And I think it was a life changing moment for for 641 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:37,840 thousands of other libertarians. And I hope that if I'm ever in a 642 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,600 situation like that, you know that I can rise to the occasion 643 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,320 and do that good of a job. Remind us of the details. 644 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,360 What is the date of this event and where's the website that 645 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,720 people can check out? Defeatthedeepstate.org We are 646 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,040 holding another Rage Against the War Machine rally. 647 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,800 Rage Against the War Machine 2. Defeat the Deep State. 648 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,840 Let's talk about the relationship between war and the 649 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,120 military industrial complex. It's on February 17th. 650 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,640 We need to fundraise to get all of our speakers there, to pay 651 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,280 for our infrastructure, to our stage, our sound system, all of 652 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,200 that really important stuff. So please donate, especially if 653 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,480 you attended last year. We would love to see a matching 654 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,480 gift to put on the same rally in the same way this year, February 655 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,240 17th, it's a Saturday afternoon. Be there, it's gonna be awesome. 656 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,720 Keith is speaking. Scott Horton is speaking. 657 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,640 We've got Garland Nixon from the left, Craig Pastajard, Doula, 658 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,760 Patrick Henningson just signed on, and a ton more awesome 659 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,760 speakers. I'm so excited about it. 660 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,240 Thanks to everyone for watching Keith and I don't tread on 661 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:45,920 anyone in the Libertarian Institute. 662 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,600 Angela McArdle, thank you for your time.