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If you support a majority of 535
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coercively, controlling the 
lives of 330 million Americans, 

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you do not support a quality. 
Nor. 

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Do you value progress? 
Welcome to Keith's night. 

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Don't tread on anyone in the 
libertarian Institute today. 

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We have Dave Rubin of what might
be the most important book to 

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read on a day like today, don't 
burn this book. 

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Mr. Ruben. 
Thank you for your time. 

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Keith, thank you for the kind 
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You say censorship is not a 
solution to bad idea. 

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Silencing people never reforms 
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It simply pushes their bad ideas
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where they're allowed to fester 
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So we know it's nice to do, but 
why should I someone who has an 

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ideology care about listening to
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Well, you know, it's funny 
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have to care, but if you don't 
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puller if or proliferate, that's
a that one got me for some 

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reason. 
If you just let these bad ideas 

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proliferate, if you just let 
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and you don't counter these bad 
ideas. 

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Well, then bad ideas will will 
come for you. 

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Right? 
The the bad ideas of 

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authoritarianism of big 
government of state power of 

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top-down view of the world. 
These Things will come and get 

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you. 
So on one hand, you don't have 

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to listen to them. 
But you better watch out on the 

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other hand, you what you don't 
want. 

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Is people coming in and saying, 
you can't say these things. 

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Now look, we have very, very 
specific laws, laid out in the 

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Constitution around speech in 
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You can say anything except for 
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You can't yell fire in a crowded
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causing chaos, and then we have,
we have extremely extremely 

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Wrecked libel and slander laws 
that are almost never used 

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because they're so strict and 
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through the legal system beyond 
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You can say whatever you want. 
What we're watching happen right

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now, without getting into all of
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At the Capitol. 
The other day is that people are

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being basically, D person. 
People are being wiped out from 

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the internet Order 66 from the 
internet right now because they 

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are not woke. 
That is a huge difference. 

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We're watching giant, Tech 
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A hey, We and many ways are more
powerful than the government 

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right now and will decide who 
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be decide. 
It'll be who can have a phone 

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and who can bank and who can be 
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everything else. 
So we're in a very dangerous 

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spot. 
This is exactly what I was 

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warning against in the book and 
that is not to say that. 

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There aren't bad people out 
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referenced earlier, of course, 
there are, but if you just push 

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these people all the way, if you
just say, okay. 

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Well, here's the Main Avenue of 
communication. 

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Asian and this huge chunk of 
people which by the way will be 

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an ever-expanding chunk of 
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Right? 
If you just say these ideas are 

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okay. 
Well, then you're constantly 

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going to be going. 
No. 

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No. 
No, actually I got to make this 

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idea now, okay, this idea now, 
okay, and then you got everybody

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else on the outside. 
And if you say to people you 

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can't speak. 
You can't go to work. 

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We're going to lock in your 
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You get, you're going to get on,
no files and are those, what are

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you going to leave people with? 
It's some pretty bad stuff and 

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that's what we should be 
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that the people that are that 
are doing these digital 

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assassinations right now. 
Now don't quite realize the road

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that they're going down. 
Exactly. 

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So say that. 
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in social justice activism. 
I won't listen to Dave Rubin for

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a whole hour, but maybe I'll 
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just to maybe get a bird's-eye 
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What would you say? 
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elevator pitch to the social 
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tell them? 
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That is the foundation of the 
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believe. 
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be treated equally under the 
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Just like everybody else. 
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I don't believe in is equity. 
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and those are different things. 
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the law. 
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then you got to work hard, some 
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Some of us are born with more. 
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etcetera, Etc, versus equity, 
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come in and rejigger Society. 
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these people up, which kind of 
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But what that means is you also 
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and we're seeing that right now,
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gave a speech saying that when 
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covid help, economic help. 
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Hispanic and Pacific Islander 
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And I hope he sees some pushback
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you're a social justice Warrior,
and you don't like, what I'm 

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saying, about identity politics,
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What identity politics mean? 
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exclusively on your immutable 
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The answer is nobody wants to be
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confused by these ideas. 
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The people telling us about 
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people. 
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tremendous amount of wealth Now,
The Young Turks who get billions

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of views. 
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than I think. 
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about equality. 
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Diversity of Nevada. 
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push equality, because it's 
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they could always keep ushering 
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Why is it that the people who 
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So much airtime are the ones 
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Yeah. 
Do you mean a quality or do you 

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mean Equity there just to be 
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I'm equality of outcome. 
So I think are quite okay. 

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So, a meaning that meaning that 
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Equity will make sure that we're
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Again. 
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But what it is is its communist.
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It means that we're gonna have 
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throughout Society to punish 
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punished. 
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is born guilty and should thus 
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of their skin when they promise 
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Equity, that's what they're 
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We have to punish these people. 
It's deeply dangerous. 

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The reason though that the 
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Equity is because what they're 
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keep our success and our Elite 
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no one will ever touch. 
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rise to here. 
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society that was about a quality
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America. 
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get all sorts of people, but the
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rising and we know that that the
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rest of the world, but what 
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disparity. 
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poor people and in America, 
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class, but then you also get 
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them that money. 
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that's based in a quality. 
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get to that Elite level, what 
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hey, we got what we need. 
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We're closing the door behind 
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The rest of you will just get 
Equity. 

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You're just going to get 
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Peanuts. 
We throw you and unfortunately 

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because these all these ideas 
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Everyone should end up with the 
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Everyone should be equal in the 
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young people are Bamboozled by 
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And the thing is that time and 
again has shown that these 

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Marxist communist and socialist 
ideas are the worst ideas 

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throughout time. 
On page 172 you say, if you 

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admit that you don't know, 
something, you no longer have 

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the stress of lying to yourself,
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You can enjoy the learning 
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exchange of ideas. 
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Well, I think it's probably more
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Let's say the last 20 years. 
Because everybody, because of 

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social media pretends, that they
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at all times. 
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Like the Iran nuclear deal, get 
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All Anonymous avatars on Twitter
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everything you need to know 
about yellow cake. 

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Uranium. 
I mean, you know, whatever the 

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news of the day is net 
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Somehow, people are all experts 
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We have the parrot, climbers 
Accords, people who couldn't tie

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their shoes. 
Suddenly can tell you everything

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you need to know about CO2 
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Everyone is constantly 
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They know everything about 
everything and I'm a Believer as

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somebody that has interviewed an
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the years and I've been able to 
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them and no more and have a 
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I don't know everything. 
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certainly wouldn't be 
interviewing people for a 

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living. 
It would be the most boring 

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thing. 
You could possibly do. 

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If you really knew everything, I
try to bring on people that I 

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can learn a little something 
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pretty good at it. 
The lack of humility is, it's a 

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Human Condition. 
It's an ego condition, but it's 

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also exacerbated by the social 
media condition, and we got to 

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get past it. 
We Get past it because we're 

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going to be just run by 
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If we don't, and maybe where 
they're already on page 182, you

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say you say, every socialist or 
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god with government. 
Can you expand on that? 

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Yeah. 
This is one that it took me a 

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long time to come around on, and
I explained it a little further 

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as I talked about how Jordan 
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think one of the things we're 
seeing right now is it seems 

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like Western Society is 
collapsing. 

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It seems like our institutions 
are collapsing. 

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Our media has absolutely 
collapsed. 

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Our trusted voices are 
collapsing. 

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Our educational system is 
collapsing or as my friend, Ben 

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Shapiro would say disintegrating
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It's not a coincidence. 
This what we're seeing in many 

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ways, and this, it saddens me to
say this, as someone that just 

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wrote a whole book defending 
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many ways, is modern-day 
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We're seeing the end of 
liberalism. 

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We're seeing the end of a 
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and that's a hard place for me 
to argue from Not a place that I

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usually comfortable sitting in, 
but what it has become obvious 

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to me. 
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operate, it must believe in 
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We have god-given rights. 
That's what our Founders said. 

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Our Founders didn't say, we give
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writing this document to protect
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They said Freedom exists, humans
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God. 
We can just create a system to 

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protect that freedom. 
We've completely moved from that

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idea to think that the state. 
Undo everything and in. 

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It's funny because even in the 
last few days, I've seen so many

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people, well-known public 
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scientists who I've long 
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flourish, which is why it's very
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Let's say, I find people of 
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decent and willing to agree to 
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secular secularists, and we're 
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Eat itself right now. 
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I see no way around it. 
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book. 
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excellent case for Classical 
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There are a lot of criticisms of
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corruption, disinformation. 
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The problem with these is all of
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What is, is there anything 

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I believe in human Ingenuity. 
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live the best life for yourself 
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lest coercion that you have 
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meaningful. 
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structure is exist, would allow 
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reason that I that I usually 
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liberalism, we could Whittle it 
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than libertarianism or not. 
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I'm a pure libertarian is 
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on Drugs, has been good. 
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to put drug users in jail, I do 
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But but to truly answer your 
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Is the answer and I and that's 
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these little differences at the 
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If you feel slightly differently
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thing or generally Libertarians,
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Those are great debates to have 
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and then we can keep debating 
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And by the way, Libertarians are
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ideas and very rarely. 
Will you end a debate with a 

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Libertarian? 
Where he's at the end telling 

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you you are you're a horrible 
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You try that with a leftist. 
It's a whole other thing.