1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,160 It just happened the other day when kissing had said, oh, yeah, 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,520 well, Darryl Cooper, he's had the opportunity to debate Andrew 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Roberts, someone I've been begging to debate, by the way. 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,320 And you know, he didn't take that. 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,080 And Cooper has used David Irving as his source. 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,080 Now, this is the ultimate attempt to poison the well. 7 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:26,400 It this is a perfect SJW woke tactic where they say person A, 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,360 Well he's loosely correlated to person B and person B can be 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,120 dismissed. So therefore I've dismissed the 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,640 argument of person A that is a totally woke tactic. 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,600 It's as though it's like, you know what another citation could 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,840 be for someone you looked into and said, well this doesn't all 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,600 add up. You could read Neville 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,040 Chamberlain's declaration of war on September 3rd of 1939. 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,000 He says we told the Germans to get out of Danzig, Poland by 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,240 this hour. They have not. 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,320 Therefore, on behalf of Polish independence, we are going to 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,120 wage a war on Germany. But then the Soviets invaded 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,920 Poland 2 weeks later, on September 17th, 1939, and they 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,160 didn't declare war. Maybe that could raise some 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,960 eyebrows. Maybe the fact that the war 22 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:14,160 ended with 7 million dead Poles and Poland under Bolshevik 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,840 occupation. Maybe that could be a reason why 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,840 someone questions the validity of the Second World War, Mr. 25 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,440 Kissen, Not just because, well, there might be a connection to 26 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,400 David Irving, who has said good things about National Socialism. 27 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,960 That's much more plausible. How about you? 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,720 You could use Winston Churchill as your source for being 29 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,640 skeptical of the Second World War. 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,240 Churchill wrote a book titled The World Crisis 1911 to 1918. 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,120 So let's take it out of the Second World War and just look 32 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,560 at Churchill when he's operating in a war that today almost had 33 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,000 very few defenders. Barbara Tuchman will defend the 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,840 First World War, but everyone more or less looks at it and 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,480 says, well, this was a mass death, which really could. 36 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,640 I mean, as as bad as Kaiser Wilhelm was, he was better than 37 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,280 what followed. So maybe we should have just 38 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,160 tolerated that. In Churchill's book The World 39 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,040 Crisis, he said that the policy that he enacted as First Lord of 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:12,240 the Admiralty was a deliberate starvation of the population of 41 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:17,400 Germany to to push people into submission. 42 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,720 He uses the word submission, men, women and children wounded 43 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,520 and sound into submission. The whole population of Germany. 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,560 I don't remember the exact quote but I know it's on page 672 of 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,840 that book. He says this is a policy among 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,120 the civilian population of Germany. 47 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,640 A very pro Churchill historian Martin Gilbert said that there 48 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:41,480 were roughly 700,000 deaths as a cause result of this blockade. 49 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:45,560 Meanwhile, Kaiser Wilhelm went to the Netherlands to retire and 50 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,840 live the rest of his life. So it could be that we feel bad 51 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,560 for the German civilian population. 52 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,800 That could be an explanation. And then in the Second World 53 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,360 War, Churchill writes another book titled The Gathering Storm, 54 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,040 where he says the human tragedy reaches its climax. 55 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,440 That after all the exertions and sacrifices of the righteous 56 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,200 'cause we have found neither peace nor security and we lie in 57 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,240 the grip of even worse perils than those we have surmounted. 58 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,360 Meaning we fought the war against National Socialism and 59 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,680 now the Bolsheviks control East Germany to Vladivostok and have 60 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,400 a loose alliance science with Mao in China and their bases, 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,360 you know, very close to North Korea, later expanding into 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,480 Vietnam. So you could use Chamberlain and 63 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,720 Churchill as your sources, not David Irving. 64 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:33,040 There are people in Churchill's cabinet. 65 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,160 Charles Percy Snow, who was a science advisor who gave a 66 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,280 series of lectures at Harvard titled Science and Government 67 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:45,280 where he said this was in 1961. He said the paper on bombing by 68 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,840 Frederick Lindemann, who was known as Bycount Sharewell, went 69 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,640 out to to Churchill's cabinet and we found that we could use 70 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,400 bombs to make half of the German population homeless, especially 71 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,840 in cities with more than 50,000 inhabitants. 72 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,200 So you could use him as a source, JM Spate said. 73 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,800 We were the ones who authorized the initial bombing of civilians 74 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,120 in German cities and we knew that this would bring the war 75 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,160 into Britain, but it was necessary because his book is 76 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,399 titled Bombing Vindicated. So he's saying that the sooner 77 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:22,280 you to start bombing, the sooner you can get them to wave the 78 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:25,160 white flag and surrender. So you have people, this was the 79 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,440 air principal secretary of the ministry saying, yes, we started 80 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,000 the bombing, we should be proud of it. 81 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,840 You have Frederick Lindemann himself giving a memorandum to 82 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:37,400 Winston Churchill in May of 1940. 83 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,400 This was published in a book by Max Hastings titled Bomber 84 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,560 Command, where he explicitly says we're aiming at the 85 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,520 civilian population. That's a very plausible 86 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,760 explanation. Another source you could use is 87 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,360 Charles de Gaulle, who was, you know, calling the shots for the 88 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,880 French government in exile. In his memoirs, Charles de 89 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:00,360 Gaulle says, you know, I asked Winston Churchill why he was so 90 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,680 interested in having the Germans bomb Britain. 91 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,720 And Churchill told me that once the Americans see the bombing of 92 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,680 Oxford and Coventry, the Americans will have to come into 93 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,960 the war. These are totally legitimate 94 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,240 sources that you could be using as opposed to David Irving. 95 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,760 And then that there's another one, Martin Gilbert, who was the 96 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,680 Churchill historian before Andrew Roberts became the 97 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,040 Churchill historian. And he said Churchill told 98 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,960 Londonderry in 1935, we're going to have to go to war with 99 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,800 Germany because they're the biggest power in Europe. 100 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,720 Just as we would take on the Spanish if they got too 101 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,040 powerful, just as we've taken on the French Empire or the French 102 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,760 monarchy, just as we would take on any other nation. 103 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,040 It looks like Germany is the one we're going to have to oppose 104 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,320 now. But previously, Churchill said 105 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,160 in an article titled Zionism versus Bolshevism in the early 106 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,520 1920s that the Bolsheviks were going to be the ones they might 107 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,160 have to go after because he saw them as the competitor on the 108 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,400 potentially the encroaching competitor on the continent at 109 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,160 the time. All of these reasonable 110 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,120 explanations and all kissing has to respond as you probably think 111 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,400 the Holocaust didn't happened. It is so pathetic. 112 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,160 And then one last one. One last one on the the the 113 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,400 Second World War, Henry Stimson wrote a diary. 114 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,920 This was the Secretary of War and in 1946 there was the Pearl 115 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,960 Harbor investigation. If you look at Stimson's diary 116 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,840 entry on November 25th of 1941, two weeks before Pearl Harbor, 117 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,800 he said. We met with the president on 118 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,960 Monday. We had discussions that the 119 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,360 Japanese were to planning to attack us as soon as next 120 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,480 Monday. The question was how we could 121 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,880 convince them to commit the first overt act of war against 122 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,480 us in order to justify intervention. 123 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,240 I mean, we're quoting people who are in positions to know these 124 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,640 things. That is totally legitimate and 125 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,240 has nothing to do with us denying the Holocaust, hating 126 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,560 Jews, or loving David Irving. Yeah, well, this is I I mean, 127 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,000 it's part of the reason why I found Pat Buchanan's book so 128 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,400 compelling. Churchill, Hitler in the 129 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,600 unnecessary war it. And what what's interesting 130 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,120 about it is when there is the response of like, oh, what? 131 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,160 So what are you saying the Holocaust didn't happen? 132 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,920 And I'm sure there are people out there who are saying that I 133 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,960 think they're wrong. But the whole point that Pat 134 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,080 Buchanan's making is like, no, I'm saying it did happen. 135 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,040 I'm saying it happened in the middle of this war. 136 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,600 And it's just hard. I think just like I'm I'm almost 137 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:37,760 the most common sense litmus test to go, OK, so the results 138 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,800 of the war were first of all, as you mentioned, British entry 139 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,200 into the war. The official justification was 140 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,840 to protect the independence of Poland. 141 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,840 OK. The results of the war were the 142 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,120 biggest bloodbath in human history, the Holocaust and 143 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,160 Joseph Stalin taking over half of Europe. 144 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,000 And I mean, when those are the results, it's just pretty easy 145 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,640 for someone to go like, maybe an alternative scenario would have 146 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,360 been better. Like maybe playing things a 147 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,560 little bit differently could have led to a preferable 148 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,720 outcome. Now, I understand to some 149 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,880 degree, and this is partially because of how evil the Nazis 150 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,120 were and partially because of years of of indoctrination. 151 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,040 But I understand people immediately going like, well, if 152 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,040 the Nazis had survived, it would have been a worse outcome. 153 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,240 You know, like if if the Nazi regime was still standing and 154 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,320 Adolf Hitler was still alive, then that's a worse outcome. 155 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,480 It's just like that's not so self evidently clear. 156 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,039 And, and I'm not saying it's a great outcome for for Adolf 157 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:39,400 Hitler to still be alive in the Nazi regime to have continued. 158 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,039 But like, let's say hypothetically the 60 million 159 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:44,159 people didn't die who died in that war. 160 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,320 Let's say hypothetically a deal could have been worked out to to 161 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,320 get the Jews out of there. Let's say hypothetically the 162 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,400 Soviet Union didn't take over all of of Eastern Europe. 163 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,600 It's not so obvious, you know, it's not, it's not so obvious 164 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,480 that there isn't a path that could have been or there isn't 165 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,520 policies that could have been pursued that would have led to a 166 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,920 better path. Now, by the way, so with the 167 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,560 Constantin thing, 'cause I, I want to just do this, but before 168 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:14,400 we wrap up like it, the thing I was arguing with him about was 169 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,120 Darryl Cooper also, you know, it started with that. 170 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,400 What's his name? Niall, the guy Scott Horton 171 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,080 debated Fergus. Niall Ferguson called Darrell 172 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,080 Cooper a Nazi apologist. I took issue with that and 173 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,080 insulted him a little bit. I feel like, you know, I'm 174 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,520 sticking up for a friend who's unfairly being smeared. 175 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,400 And then Constantine was like, no, he is a Nazi apologist. 176 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,640 And so me and him started arguing and I was like, yeah, 177 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,400 but dude, like, come on. I mean, he's just not like, I, I 178 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,000 don't know, look at look at the guy's work. 179 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,400 He's not a Nazi apologist. And So what Constantin's thrown 180 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,240 at me again, it reminded me of kind of, you know, that a lot of 181 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,560 this stuff we've been talking about with the woke on the left 182 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:54,880 and the right assuming the the motivations must be this one 183 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,560 thing. This is the only motivation that 184 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:00,000 could lead you to this place. And it was really amazing to me, 185 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,680 especially because I think Constantine is still, well, 186 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:05,320 trigonometry is a pretty big podcast, but at least at a point 187 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,840 what he was most known for was this speech where he that he 188 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,800 gave eviscerating woke ISM left woke ISM. 189 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,960 And it was beautiful. I mean, it's like one of the 190 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,280 most eloquent and devastating speeches against woke ISM you'll 191 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,960 ever see. You could if you Google 192 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,800 Constantine Oxford woke, you'll find it real quick. 193 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,240 It's got millions and millions of views. 194 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,320 Great speech. And I'm like, hey, so how are 195 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,600 you that guy? And then we're still at the and 196 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,480 his argument to me is he's like, well, look, Darryl Cooper posted 197 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:39,000 a picture with a mug, you know, like with, with Nazi imagery on 198 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,880 it. And he posted the thing about a 199 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,720 Nazi, you know, Hitler marching on Paris, being preferable to 200 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,720 like fat trans men in dresses or whatever. 201 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,560 And that, you know, he's got. And then and and so, and then he 202 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:55,800 brings up the fact that he goes, he goes also, he said Churchill 203 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,480 was the true villain of, of the war. 204 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,000 And I was like arguing with him. And I'm like, OK, well, first of 205 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:06,880 all, on your first point, what he said was, OK, so I say this 206 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,960 to kind of rib my friends and I'm saying this in I'm being 207 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,240 hyperbolic, but I like to say to him that Churchill was the real 208 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,720 villain of World War 2. And he goes now it's I'm not 209 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,960 saying he committed the most atrocities or he had the most 210 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,000 blood on his hand necessarily. But here's why I think he's 211 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,040 really the real villain. And it's like, OK, well, then 212 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:28,000 look, if we're being fair here and we're not being woke zealots 213 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,960 about this, instead of just like, oh, I got red meat. 214 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,520 Like, here's my conclusion. Let me work backward from that. 215 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:37,000 I was like, why can't you guys ever include that in your 216 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,080 retelling of the story? And then he responded to me, and 217 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,600 you could go look this up. This is on Twitter. 218 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,680 He goes, dude, you're telling me that he said that on Tucker 219 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:47,720 Carlson in order to rib a friend and that he was being 220 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,400 hyperbolic. Well, he still said it. 221 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,200 And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm saying that on Tucker 222 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,360 Carlson, he said like, I'm not saying he did this to rib a 223 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,680 friend being hyperbolic and then just said this thing. 224 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:02,600 I was like, no, that's what he said on Tucker Carlson, that to 225 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,360 rib my friend. I use hyperbole and I say this. 226 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,240 And so we're going back and forth on this and then I'm just 227 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,880 talking about like, I'm like, wait, he shit posted like a time 228 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,760 or two like this is this just sounds like what? 229 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,760 Like first of all, why do you have to as I put it on Twitter, 230 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,440 I go, why do you have to very fine people on both sides him. 231 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,680 Why do you have and this thing that's on tape that anyone can 232 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:27,800 go back and watch like it? It really is strikingly similar 233 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,640 to me to them saying Trump said there's very fine people on both 234 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,080 sides and it's like, dude, it's on. 235 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,160 You can go back and listen to what he said. 236 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,440 Same with Darryl Cooper on Tucker Carlson show. 237 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:42,280 And I was like, OK, so on in your corner you have that he 238 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,560 made some off color jokes that he shit posted it a time or two. 239 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,040 And then I ultimately said to Constantine, and this is where 240 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,080 we stopped the interaction is that I went fine, look, you're 241 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,040 not convinced by me. Take my non woke challenge. 242 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,200 OK, and here's my non woke challenge. 243 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,000 Listen to the 1st 30 minutes of fear and loathing in the New 244 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,920 Jerusalem and then listen to the 30 minutes that he did in the 245 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,320 addendum piece after it about the suffering of Jews during 246 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,560 World War 2. I go just listen to it's an hour 247 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:14,600 combined. Listen to those two half hours 248 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:21,440 and you tell me, is it possible, like is it conceivably possible 249 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:26,880 that a Jew hating Nazi apologist could have possibly ever made 250 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,800 that content? Like how can you square that 251 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,640 circle together? How is it possible? 252 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,960 That is the one thing that you could you could always count on 253 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,080 any Jew hating Nazi apologist would never tell you about the 254 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,440 individual suffering of Jewish people who had nothing to do 255 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,080 with this bigger cabal and we're just totally fucked over. 256 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,720 And just like so. And this is Daryl's superpower 257 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,880 really is that he's is just like the most intensely empathetic 258 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,800 person. So this is what people love 259 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,960 about his work. It's all just like, Oh my God, 260 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,440 put yourself in that guy's shoes. 261 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,600 Imagine you're here as this mob of people is ripping your kids 262 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,320 and your wife apart and beating you to death and you just got to 263 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,680 watch it all and you're powerless. 264 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,680 And it's just. And then he just responded with 265 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:08,920 like a I've seen it, I've listened to it and I still 266 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,560 convinced. And once he said that, I was 267 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:13,280 like, well, I mean, if you're, you know, if you could, if you 268 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,600 could listen to that and not just be shaken of any feeling 269 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,440 that like this is OK. So in my, on my corner, I have 270 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,520 here is this guy's work that he put out by his own free will 271 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,880 where he's deeply empathetic to the suffering of Jews during 272 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,640 the, the, the Second World War. And in your corner you have he 273 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,080 posted something provocative on Twitter once. 274 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,920 What are we even like? What it's like arguing with a 275 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,200 woke leftist who's like, that guy's a racist because he told a 276 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,640 joke. And I was like, well, you know, 277 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,880 he's got a black wife and three black kids, right? 278 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,560 And you're like now told a joke he's raised. 279 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,360 He's like, what are you? What are we even saying here? 280 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,440 This is just arguing with the folk leftist now. 281 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,200 They're so obsessed with symbology, they're like, all 282 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,120 right, racism is a huge issue. We got to take down statues. 283 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,480 We got to remove that bitch and Jemima. 284 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,160 We got to take down the Indian on the the butter and we we 285 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,360 can't have any schools named Lee because that might be Robert E 286 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,040 Lee. It's like, all right, have any 287 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,360 black kids learn to read as a cause result of that? 288 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,040 Have any gotten on the job training skills? 289 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,640 No, no. OK, Well then you're obviously 290 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,560 much more focused on symbology. And it's still symbology for him 291 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,160 to focus only on Darryl Cooper. It's like, OK, your criticism of 292 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,760 the revisionist World War 2 narrative is to focus on one 293 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,440 person. Why don't you take a different 294 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,400 person? How about President Herbert 295 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,800 Hoover in 1953 wrote a book titled Freedom Betrayed where he 296 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:46,920 has 18 points, very clear as to how through diplomacy this World 297 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,040 War could have been avoided. His cases is basically that it 298 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,800 was almost inevitable for the National Socialists and the 299 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,200 Bolsheviks to collide. That in no way means Britain or 300 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,480 the US has to make a regional dispute into a World War. 301 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,280 He says that even if we had to go to war with Japan, he of 302 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,920 course knows that the Export Control Act of 1940 by Roosevelt 303 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,120 was intentionally done to provoke the Japanese to attack 304 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,720 America so the Americans can take the side of the British 305 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,920 again. Former president in 1953 was 306 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,080 saying this. Kissen can just respond to that. 307 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,040 Hoover goes on to say if we didn't demand absolute, 308 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,960 unconditional surrender of the Japanese, they wouldn't have had 309 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,240 to withdraw their colonies, two of which were in Korea and 310 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,080 Vietnam. After pulling back their 311 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,080 colonies, the US had to go to war in Korea for three years. 312 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,360 We then went to war in Vietnam, fighting a proxy war against the 313 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,960 Bolsheviks there. So that there are very 314 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,280 reasonable explanations for all these things from a large number 315 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,720 of other people who are not Darrell Cooper. 316 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,560 And Kissen is still not addressing these very obvious 317 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,840 claims. And we just know how pathetic it 318 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,680 is when you say, well, we can never allow independence to be 319 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,120 violated. So that means all citizens of 320 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,920 all the 50 states need to wage a war for independence against the 321 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,359 Washington, DC regime, which claims the right to rule them. 322 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,800 This small group of people claims the right to impose 323 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,720 taxes, claims the right to regulate their lives In all, in 324 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,200 a large number of aspects, that's a violation of 325 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,119 independence. Surely we're going to have to go 326 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,400 to war over that. Or you could say the people of 327 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,079 the Donbass region felt that their independence was being 328 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:32,440 violated by the 2014 coup in Tiev led by Arseniy Yatsenyuk in 329 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,200 his anti terrorism operation. So even the independence thing, 330 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,840 they clearly see the cost of war are extraordinarily high and the 331 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,920 outcomes are extraordinarily uncertain. 332 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,320 Whenever you take it out of whatever individual frame they 333 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,080 want to put things in, because they're always, they're 334 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,960 primarily focusing on the potential motives of the person 335 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,160 presenting the evidence as opposed to very plausible 336 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,320 evidence. The woke right is Constantine 337 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,920 kissing Douglas Murray, Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager and 338 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,600 Sean Hannity. Yeah 100% couldn't agree more.