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deign to invade the precise. 
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human energies applies. 
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interventions, welcome to 
Keith's night. 

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Don't tread on anyone today. 
We'll be talking with the author

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of this book Fool's. 
Errand. 

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Scott Horton is the managing 
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Institute host of anti-war radio
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Kpfk in Los Angeles, Scott. 
Thank you for your time. 

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Thank you again for having me, 
Keith great to talk to you 

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again. 
So, I want to get into the Bill 

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I always referred to as the 
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I'm curious. 
What was the u.s. 

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Role in Kosovo? 
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Well, so this is a huge problem 
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you that the breakup of 
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the original, you know, it was a
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days of the Soviet Union was not
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She had the bosnians, the crow 
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whole other story here about how
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there, and ruin the compromise, 
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Heroes for solving when they 
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screwed everything up in the 
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back to the year, whatever the 
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once upon a time, but, at this 
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dominated by far by the ethnic 
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to secede? 
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popular opinion, but it was 
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the Kosovo Liberation Army. 
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Jihadis from Carter and Reagan. 
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when America was on the side of 
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the Soviet Union. 
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So Uncle he earned his Stripes, 
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these Bin Laden Knights who are 
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I organization as a bunch of 
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or And traffickers and in fact, 
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was Notorious for cutting 
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them on the black market was, 
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of War crime here. 
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So In, I'm just going for memory
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March of 1999, right after Bill 
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what was called the ramble. 
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I forget where they came up with
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the ramble you a peace, Accord 
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ultimatum, unconditional 
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independent. 
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parlamentary building and 
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whatever they want. 
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once milosevic the Serbian 
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weekend. 
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for a couple of days and they're
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there's dragged on and on and 
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civilians and eventually they 
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Kosovo. 
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the major facet of this story is
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into war just like George w-- 
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destruction. 
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pretext for Intervention, which 
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a genocide that the serbs were 
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Innocent kosovar, civilians had 
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the mass Graves and they went 
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there was nothing to find. 
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there or that big hill side. 
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report that and then, you know, 
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the air and Christian Amanpour. 
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correspondent from CNN, got 
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conspiracy to lie Us in the war 
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example of a of a thing was, 
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kind of electrical Transformer 
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photographer climbed Over the 
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enclosure. 
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children on the outside of the 
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pictures off to run in the 
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concentration, camp in the 
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it certainly was nothing like 
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this is just a completely 
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civilians in the air war and one
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But now I'm skipping back during
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Arc General Wesley Clark, you 
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president 2004 and is famous for
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staff showing them. 
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countries in five years at the 
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what happened was the Russians 
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long-standing ties to serbs who 
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and Wesley Clark ordered the I 
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must have British and American 
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something to attack the Russians
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And there was a British general 
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Michael Jackson. 
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Hell, no, I'm not doing that. 
Belay that order. 

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I'm not going to start World War
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then it turns out that the 
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name. 
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He was The Colonel on the ground
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Russians and then he asked Sir, 
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Hey, can I please not do this? 
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Work from starting world war 
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Then it over some stupid War 
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people. 
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Lady, and the janitor, and this 
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It's just murder. 
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the red white and blue bombing a
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All the serbs that were left in 
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giant pogroms against thin and 
the burning of their churches 

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them and the stealing and 
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war criminals. 
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pronounce it that a key or they 
see or what th a CI and he was 

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the leader of the KLA and he was
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bathtub to find that their 
kidneys had been stolen and they

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Is there any information you 

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of that is relevant that would 
apply to Understanding the 

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foreign policy of Clinton. 
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and that's the one that I know 
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just a junior in high school and
I was not paying close 

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attention, as it happened. 
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somewhat in hindsight, but I 
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like watching it in real time. 
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deal between the crow at the 
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Christians like the serbs but a 
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I could be wrong about that. 
I think so though and possibly 

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different sect of Christian. 
I'm not sure. 

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Muslims were the three major 
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Yugoslavia, and they have a deal
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the croat sand. 
The Muslims would have a 

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coalition government. 
They would form a majority and 

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Coalition government and the 
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opposition in the minority but 
that they had developed enough 

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protections and Promises of, you
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autonomy and kind of a federal 
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decided to agree to it. 
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ambassador, a guy named 
Zimmerman came and told the crow

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Coalition and getting everything
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Isn't good enough, tell you 
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weapons. 
If you refuse to accept the deal

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the Croquettes took him up on 
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And that was the start of the 
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And which your pictures breaking
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bad. 
Can you hear me? 

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Okay and everything I can hear 
you fine. 

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Yeah. 
Okay. 

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So that was the start of the war
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Were atrocities on all sides and
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atrocities. 
I don't know that. 

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That's true. 
It may be true. 

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There was this ever need some 
ask her and all that. 

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But also you had good Old Roy 
dying here. 

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I swear to God, I've got what 
Biden's gotten. 

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I can't remember a thing 
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The Lachi reporter. 
Roy Gutman, who was good on 

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Bahrain during the Arab Spring 
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that. 
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Bosnia. 
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all these fantastic, Tales of 
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that warehouse over there. 
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women. 
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Bosnian, Muslim women by the 
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to you later. 
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Yeah. 
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But, you know, bogus, More 
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get same thing with Gaddafi 
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troops Viagra to commit Mass 
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That was on CNN, with Wolf 
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And he's just like, oh, my 
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Absolutely. 
No primary sources. 

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I know. 
I'm sorry. 

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I have to bring this up on that 
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I love this anecdote so much. 
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instructive. 
I'm driving down Sunset, 

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Boulevard in LA. 
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radio and it's the after Rush 
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And he's saying to his audience.
Listen, even Susan Rice says the

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Qaddafi is giving Viagra to all 
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woman and girl that he finds as 
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country. 
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for a fact that it's true. 
When even Susan Rice says that 

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we have to Have a war that's 
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a war and that's there's simple.
Like the most obvious and simple

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kind of demonstration of 
confirmation bias and 

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ridiculous, sort of thinking, 
you know, it goes without saying

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all the time, right? 
When the New York Times agrees 

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with you. 
They admitted, it's true. 

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They had to. 
And when they don't, they're 

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just lying. 
Horrible bastards, but and 

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that's true for you and me and 
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But there are some people who 
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in the world. 
Where You know, that's just a 

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great example of it. 
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intervene there at all in the 
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second place and then if they 
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might think they would have 
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The serbs who had fought the 
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been useful during the Cold War 
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And the CIA had backed, right 
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Factions among them and this 
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So sure about that. 

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I guess. 
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certainly in the region. 
They were playing those games. 

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But anyway, certainly going back
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They were allies. 
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side, and I'm not saying things 
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certainly again. 
I said we shouldn't have 

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intervened over there at all. 
But the fact that they intervene

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on the side of the Muslims, in 
Europe to carve out their own 

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separate, autonomous State 
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were, you know, heavily 
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and infiltrated by Bin Laden, 
nights and had a lot of these 

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radical, you know, Saudi back, 
preachers, running around this 

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stuff. 
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out like crystally, so has 
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got the way it's turned out is, 
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certainly not run by Bin Laden 
night, factions. 

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It has not turned out that, you 
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seized power in it or anything 
like that. 

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But some really bad Bin Laden 
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and earn credibility and 
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And help to grow the bin Laden 
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Middle East that we've been 
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Since that time again, the most 
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that is Khalid Sheikh, Mohammed 
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mujahideen fighter in, fighting 
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Bosnian War. 
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that was ramzi. 
Yousef, say, Uncle ramzi Yousef,

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who had already attacked the 
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Two years later, his mujahideen.
Dean uncle is fighting on 

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America side in Bosnia, were 
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just a few short years after 
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Towers. 
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those just because it's so 
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unintended consequences whether 
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invading a country, and arming, 
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We either don't hear about the 
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Or we don't hear about the 
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really. 
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Role in Pakistan. 
I was really not aware of this 

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until I came across your work. 
What is the u.s. 

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Doing in Pakistan? 
And what's happening over there?

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I'm sorry. 
Let me say one more thing on the

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last topic. 
Real quick. 

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I'll switch right back to 
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And I'm sorry, I may have said 
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I forget. 
Now. 

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I got what Biden's got but at 
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Bill, Clinton Senator, Tom, 
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Sherman. 
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that the Muslims would attack us
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for them. 
Mmm. 

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They all said, I have the quotes
in Fool's errand. 

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All three of them. 
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chase. 
After back in am in Bosnia and 

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Kosovo and everything. 
They come back to sting us like 

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this. 
I just can't believe it which, 

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you know, goes to show probably 
why they had really let their 

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guard down to a great degree 
that overall Bin Laden. 

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I terrorists. 
Yeah the useful. 

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The CIA, use them to kill 
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We need killed sometimes. 
What's the problem? 

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Even though they'd already 
attacked the World Trade Center.

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They blew up a truck bomb in the
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That if they had only parked it,
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They would have knocked down one
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30,000 people in an instant back
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When Bill Clinton have been in 
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week. 
You know, which imagine the 

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history of the 1990s, if it had 
been like that instead Waco 

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happened the next day and nobody
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Bear because only six people 
died that the attack failed, you

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know, but as though, the 
president hadn't been set. 

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All you have to do is use your 
imagination, a little bit truck 

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bomb in the basement brakes, one
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It falls over, starting at the 
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the other Tower. 
Maybe knocks it all the way 

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over. 2 and into other buildings
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catastrophe. 
Holy crap. 

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What almost happened in the 
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bombing right there. 
The idea that Bill Clinton or 

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anyone on his staff could think 
that these people are still a 

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tolerable Menace because we can 
use them against Qaddafi, which 

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they try to do with MI6 in 1996 
to kill Qaddafi or because we 

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can use them in chechnya to bog 
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can use them in Bosnia for some 
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Against the serbs that if that's
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useful than they are dangerous. 
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Bill Clinton himself, and Tom 
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All three said, I'm so surprised
this happen after all, we've 

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done for these men. 
And I mean, if that ain't the 

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perfect illustration, God, dang.
Now on Pakistan. 

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Basically, the deal is that the 
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book, of course the battle. 
Tora Bora, the Americans killed 

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about half of the al-Qaeda guys 
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there, you know, local security 
forces and mujahideen who were 

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running with them. 
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There was a group of about 180 
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Pakistan and were seized by the 
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busted and turned over rendition
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there was another about 150 or 
so somewhere between 80 and 100,

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50 they say. 
Including Bin Laden and Ayman, 

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al-zawahiri, who escaped across 
the border and then went their 

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separate ways to their different
hideouts. 

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And what have you and a great 
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Well, relatively speaking, a 
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Refuge with the Pakistani 
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which is a separate group 
entirely, totally separate chain

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of command in every, in every 
way from the Afghan Taliban and 

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they live in What's called the 
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administered tribal. 
Tribal territories of Pakistan. 

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In other words, a part of 
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government. 
Essentially has no reach. 

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It's just absolutely forbidding 
ancient Mountain terrain that's 

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ruled by its locals and nobody 
else and always has been kind of

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an area. 
And, you know, they have varying

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degrees of control there from 
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But so, you know, the SWAT 
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And you'll, you'll remember, 
hearing a lot of talk about 

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North waziristan and South 
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And for a long time, they 
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hiding there. 
Among the turkey Taliban out 

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there in those tribal areas and 
that kind of thing. 

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Okay. 
So end of the Bush era. 

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He starts doing drone attacks 
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Pakistan with the cooperation of
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And and this is so they could 
target al Qaeda members that 

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have gone from Afghanistan to 
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That's right. 
And Obama comes in and says, 

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essentially, you remember his 
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Was a big distraction from the 
real war. 

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The good war that we should be 
fighting in Afghanistan and in 

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Pakistan now, assuming 
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Alms for the sake of argument 
about the propriety of America 

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waging a terror War, something 
like that for the sake of 

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argument, then. 
Yeah, he's got a point that 

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actually killing Bin Laden's. 
Best friends and co-workers 

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would be a bit more legitimate 
than overthrowing the baathist 

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and fighting a war for the 
Iranians and Iraq, are some 

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ridiculous crap. 
Like that. 

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Turning the entire West into Bin
Laden University out there. 

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So he made a point as far as 
that goes. 

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But there were no Qaeda in 
Afghanistan and you know, Obama 

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for all his tough talk in the 
campaign. 

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He really only wanted to send a 
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Afghanistan just so that we can 
put off losing a little longer. 

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He wasn't trying to win that but
then they rolled his ass and I 

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talked about this in the book. 
The Coin Denise does and all of 

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that section where they rolled 
him into tripling, the size of 

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the war, whether he ended up 
with 100,000 American soldiers 

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on the ground, plus another 
40,000 NATO and the whole 

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counterinsurgency. 
Pain, under McChrystal and 

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Petraeus and all this crap. 
Well, they called this whole 

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policy, the afpak doctrine, you 
know, with a hyphen in their 

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afpak. 
And that what it said was you 

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can't win the war in Afghanistan
unless you're fighting a 

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regional war against the actual 
enemy regardless of where the 

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line is sort of like complaining
about the VC running up and then

452
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,600
VA running up and down the Ho 
Chi Minh trail and crossing the 

453
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,700
border and in finding Safe Haven
in. 

454
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:55,500
Cambodia and Laos. 
We have to deny them that safe 

455
00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:56,800
haven. 
We can't let them have safe 

456
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,200
haven just because of an 
imaginary line on the ground. 

457
00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:02,700
We got to go in there and get 
him right at said there was no 

458
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:05,300
al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. 
They were not part of the war at

459
00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:07,600
all. 
So as far as fighting the war in

460
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,000
Pakistan on behalf of the war in
Afghanistan, you might think 

461
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,000
that they would be targeting the
leaders of the Afghan Taliban. 

462
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,800
That's who the enemy was in 
Afghanistan. 

463
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,300
That's what we're fighting 
against, but no, they weren't 

464
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:21,700
doing that at all. 
The quetta shura council that 

465
00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:25,400
ruled the Afghan Taliban. 
Ban was based out of quetta, the

466
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,500
city in southern Pakistan and 
McConnell the, the chief of 

467
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,400
director National Intelligence 
told me told Obama on his first 

468
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,200
day in office. 
Oh, yeah. 

469
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,900
No, we can't do drone strikes in
quetta his way to population 

470
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:39,400
dense. 
We could wait too many innocent 

471
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,900
people and caused absolute 
Mayhem in Pakistani society. 

472
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,200
And so hands off the Afghan 
Taliban on the Pakistani side of

473
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,800
the Border. 
What's, what the hell are we 

474
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,100
doing there? 
What does that have to do with 

475
00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:54,100
the war in Afghanistan? 
Actually nothing. 

476
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:57,200
They packaged it like that, but 
they're not doing anything about

477
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,500
the Afghan Taliban, finding 
Safe, Haven on the Pakistani 

478
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:03,600
side. 
But what they are doing is they 

479
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,300
are trying to hunt down the last
Arab friends of Osama bin Laden 

480
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,800
and so beginning, you know, 
again beginning in late Bush 

481
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,000
era, but then, especially in the
first four years of Obama, they 

482
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,800
ramped up this massive drone 
War, CIA, drone, me. 

483
00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:22,700
War in Pakistan against, you 
know, hunting, these Arabs, 

484
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:25,200
these last few friends have been
Laden and zawahiri. 

485
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,500
And the thing is about it, is 
that it was, you know, 

486
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:32,900
apparently it was effective at 
killing almost all of the last 

487
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:34,300
guys. 
And I don't know how many people

488
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:37,700
were talking about. 
Maybe, you know, certainly low 

489
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:42,000
hundreds probably less than 100 
actual real targets there that 

490
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,700
they were after and they killed 
a lot of innocent people in the 

491
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:48,800
process and part of that was 
just so called. 

492
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,800
Lateral damage and innocent 
civilians being killed in the 

493
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,100
strikes against the the Arabs 
there. 

494
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:58,800
But part of it also was American
support for the Pakistani. 

495
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,300
Army's invasion of the northern 
region there in order to take it

496
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:06,200
to the tarika Taliban the 
Pakistani Taliban. 

497
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,700
So Obama essentially had made a 
deal with the pakistanis. 

498
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:15,700
If you let us use our drones to 
Target these Arab see, you know,

499
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:18,700
Al-Qaeda guys, then we will help
you. 

500
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:21,600
And support you and your war 
against the turkey. 

501
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,800
Taliban. 
And which did work because the 

502
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:28,100
to rekey Taliban had seized 
control over the entire SWAT 

503
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:32,400
Valley and that was a bridge too
far for the Pakistani 

504
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,200
government. 
They were determined to reverse 

505
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:40,200
that and so they did. 
So so couple of major about 

506
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,600
three major results of this. 
First of all, I don't know. 

507
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,700
I shouldn't. 
I shouldn't limit the number. 

508
00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:49,700
I may get to 45 one of the major
results of this was just the 

509
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:54,600
absolute literal terrorism. 
I'm against the civilian 

510
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,000
population of Pakistan. 
There's a great you know study. 

511
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,000
I guess by think Seton Hall 
called living under drones about

512
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,300
what it's like to be a Pakistani
civilian and these young 

513
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,400
children growing up, afraid of 
the sunshine in the blue sky 

514
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,000
because that's when the drones 
murder people seemingly at 

515
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,300
random and you know a gray sky 
is the only time they feel safe 

516
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:19,900
to go outside at all. 
And then as far as they can 

517
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:22,100
tell, there's no Rhyme or Reason
to who gets killed with a 

518
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,200
Hellfire. 
Missile by a Reaper drone that 

519
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,400
comes murders their Grandma, you
know, and we're talking about 

520
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,300
tearing people's lives, till a 
little shreds here. 

521
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:32,400
We're not talking about grandma 
died. 

522
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,700
In a bed. 
We're talking about somebody 

523
00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:37,900
murdering your grandma with a 
500 pound bomb in her garden and

524
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:41,800
blowing her to bits. 
And this is what these people 

525
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,100
are living through and they 
never know when their next they 

526
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:45,200
have. 
No Rhyme or Reason. 

527
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,300
There's guilt has nothing to do 
with it, associating with the 

528
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:50,700
wrong people doesn't appear to 
have anything to do with it. 

529
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,800
It's random to them. 
And it's just absolute hell on 

530
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,300
Earth was what they did in those
people. 

531
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,700
They're driving them absolutely 
out of their minds dealing with 

532
00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:04,400
the stress of years and years of
just drones hovering over their 

533
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:10,700
communities and murdering them. 
Then another part of how it all 

534
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:16,600
went. 
Was that the this caused what 

535
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:20,400
the Pakistani journalist Saleem,
shahzad called the al-Qaeda 

536
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,400
ization of To rekey Taliban. 
They kind of had been hanging 

537
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,900
out with some of these guys. 
Some of the al-Qaeda, you know, 

538
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:34,400
leftovers, but the more America 
waged war against them together,

539
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:38,000
the more it radicalize them and 
push them together 

540
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,800
ideologically. 
So then the turkey Taliban 

541
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,200
became, you know, and they had 
been focused just really on, 

542
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,700
securing their own land, and all
of that kind of thing. 

543
00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:51,300
Now, they were being inculcated 
with this expansionist ideology 

544
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:54,700
and what we really need to do. 
Do is go back up to La tea and 

545
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:56,900
taking it to the Indians and 
Kashmir. 

546
00:29:56,900 --> 00:30:01,400
And what we really need to do is
escalate the war in Afghanistan.

547
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:05,700
And what we really need to do is
recreate the ancient corazón 

548
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:08,400
Kingdom and all it. 
Just whatever crap that had 

549
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,800
never been part of the ideology 
of the Pakistani Taliban. 

550
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,900
Now, they're becoming much more,
you know, kind of radicalized 

551
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:21,000
and internationalized and then 
during the real fighting of the 

552
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:26,000
Pakistani war against the tree. 
Taliban in 2010, many of them 

553
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,200
fled across the border to 
Afghanistan to find Safe Haven 

554
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,100
there and then you'll love this.
Well, you're not surprised. 

555
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:37,400
I know you read the book the CIA
and the Afghan government were 

556
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,800
using these members of the 
Pakistani Taliban to attack, 

557
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,900
Pakistani government Targets on 
the Pakistani side of the line 

558
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,200
and to hunt down and kill 
members of the Afghan Taliban 

559
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,000
who were seeking. 
Safe Haven in Pakistan. 

560
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:58,200
And so hit the, the Americans 
and the Afghan government, the 

561
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,200
Kabul government resented, the 
pakistanis for backing, the 

562
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,500
Afghan government. 
The Afghan Taliban against them 

563
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:06,000
all this time. 
So he said, payback's a bitch. 

564
00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:09,800
Let's, I know, let's back these 
to rekey Taliban guys who've 

565
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,600
come come into Pakistan, come 
into Afghanistan. 

566
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:15,600
And we'll do this. 
Tit-for-tat thing against the 

567
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,600
pakistanis is see how they like 
it. 

568
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:19,600
And then and we'll kill some 
Afghan. 

569
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,900
Taliban will have your won't be 
surprised to learn audience. 

570
00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:25,600
I know. 
Oh, Keith already knows that. 

571
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,100
This is the group that later, 
hoisted, the Black Flag and 

572
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:33,100
declared themselves Isis. 
And then they're now known as 

573
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:36,000
Isis. 
Corazón or Isis khorasan. 

574
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,700
Province is KP or you know, all 
these different kind of letter, 

575
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:47,500
acronyms are given initials. 
They're given and and these guys

576
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:52,200
are now essentially as Saleem, 
shahzad was predicting back 

577
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,200
before the Pakistani 
intelligence service. 

578
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,000
Murdered him. 
By the way, you can go back and 

579
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,100
listen, my interviews of him. 
That, that this is exactly what 

580
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:03,900
happened. 
Was that to rekey Taliban got Al

581
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:09,800
Qaeda Eyes by the Drone war and 
fighting common cause and and 

582
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,700
and fighting, you know, under 
the same rain of bombs together 

583
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:16,100
with the al-Qaeda, guys under 
the Drone Wars and that, you 

584
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:20,500
know, radicalize them. 
They ended up joining Isis and 

585
00:32:20,508 --> 00:32:23,000
declaring their loyalty to 
baghdady and the goals of the 

586
00:32:23,008 --> 00:32:26,700
Islamic State. 
And which, you know, of course, 

587
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:29,900
they're relatively small group, 
their augmented somewhat by 

588
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:34,000
disaffected Taliban factions and
that kind of thing, but in the 

589
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,000
current state of things in the 
war in Afghanistan. 

590
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:40,400
The Taliban have them far 
overmatched. 

591
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,900
So there's no reason to think 
that. 

592
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:44,200
Oh no, if we leave, Isis will 
have the run of the place. 

593
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,800
It's our intervention that 
brought them there and the 

594
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,000
Afghan Taliban have. 
Plenty of incentive, of course, 

595
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:56,300
to limit their power, dominate 
them, kill them, integrate them,

596
00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:59,100
or whatever, they have to do, to
limit their competition. 

597
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:02,700
And so, you know, it's not as a 
favor to us. 

598
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:06,100
It's because it's in their own 
interest, of course, to limit 

599
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:08,300
the power of this group. 
So when When you hear people 

600
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:11,700
invoke, Isis in Afghanistan, is 
some kind of Safe Haven, myth of

601
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:13,200
why we have to stay and fight 
there. 

602
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,100
I'll just tell the Green Berets 
have been growing Isis this 

603
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:18,700
whole time. 
They've been fighting him since 

604
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:21,300
2016. 
The more we kill him, the bigger

605
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:22,800
they get. 
And you remember when Donald 

606
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,000
Trump well, they said, it was. 
Donald Trump really wasn't. 

607
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,800
Donald Trump was just this, the 
Special Operations Command 

608
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,800
dropped. 
The Moab bomb on those caves. 

609
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:33,200
Please sir. 
That'll show him. 

610
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:34,900
Well, guess what? 
It showed him. 

611
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:37,600
It showed him, that we are 
important. 

612
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,800
Look at how serious the 
Americans take us. 

613
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,800
And there was an article by 
local. 

614
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,700
I think Pakistani expert in the 
New York Times, op-ed column 

615
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:49,900
criticizing it, where he said, 
guess what? 

616
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:55,000
The iskp radio station in 
nangarhar province has been 

617
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,300
bragging and bragging that the 
Americans dropped their biggest 

618
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:02,700
bomb their biggest non-nuclear. 
R bomb on them and saying see 

619
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:05,700
how important we are. 
And so people don't join up 

620
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,000
because oh I want to get bombed 
by a giant bomb. 

621
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,100
They join up because how dare 
you bomb us with a giant bomb 

622
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:14,300
will show you and then they 
rally the same as we get mad 

623
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:16,699
when they knock our towers down 
same kind of thing. 

624
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:19,000
And so this is good. 
PR. 

625
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:23,199
It does nothing but help them 
and grow their group sure. 

626
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,699
They lost 20 guys in that but 
they gained 200 in all the 

627
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:29,000
publicity from it and all of 
that. 

628
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,000
And then it's so the one last 
thing I'll say Is the few 

629
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,500
surviving Arab real members of 
Al Qaeda who were there 

630
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,400
eventually decide? 
Well, she getting drone bombed, 

631
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,100
like this is inconvenient. 
Let's go home. 

632
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,900
And so a lot of them than went 
and hitchhiked home, and they 

633
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:49,400
went back to Yemen and back to 
Libya and back to Syria where 

634
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,000
they were from. 
It's cause further problems and 

635
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,600
when we're talking about man, 
we're talking about the 2009 10,

636
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,700
11 era, the early Obama years, 
and then what happened after 

637
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:01,800
that. 
These guys All went home and 

638
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,400
spread their Jihad home and I 
don't know if you're going to 

639
00:35:04,408 --> 00:35:08,900
ask me about Libya or not. 
But just in case in July of 

640
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:14,500
2012, the Americans killed a 
Libyan Al-Qaeda terrorist named 

641
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:17,400
shaykh Yahya al-libi in 
Pakistan. 

642
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:22,300
A Libyan Al-Qaeda guy a real 
Aspen lot night in Pakistan and 

643
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:25,200
they drone bombed him to death 
and he might remember that name.

644
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,100
I'll Libby. 
Well, it just means from Libya, 

645
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,400
but actually in this case he was
the brother of It's been a Libby

646
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,400
who Dick Cheney and the CIA and 
Hosni Mubarak tortured in 2002. 

647
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,100
Into blaming Saddam Hussein for 
teaching Al-Qaeda how to hijack 

648
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:42,600
planes and make chemical 
weapons. 

649
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,500
Then they rendition him home to 
Libya, were Qaddafi. 

650
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:50,200
Who was then compliant and a pet
of the Americans murdered him in

651
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,700
his prison cell and they called 
it a suicide. 

652
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:56,800
Remember that. 
Well by 2012, America had just 

653
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,800
taken out qaeda's side in the 
war in Libya, the Libyan Islamic

654
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,000
fighting. 
Eating group and ansar al-sharia

655
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:07,400
and essentially the Libyan 
Veterans of al-Qaeda in Iraq, 

656
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,500
from Iraq, war to the guys who 
the foreign Fighters had gone to

657
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:13,300
fight against the Americans. 
And the Shia in Iraq, word to 

658
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:15,800
will Obama turns around and 
takes their side in the war. 

659
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,400
In 2011. 
They win the war, they Lynch and

660
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,700
murder Qaddafi. 
They take over the country at 

661
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:23,100
least temporarily. 
It's not, you know, Civil War 

662
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:28,600
unending since then, but in 
September on September 11th, 

663
00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:32,500
2012. 
The al-Qaeda guys, take their 

664
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:35,100
revenge and murder, Christopher 
Stevens. 

665
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,900
And the guys at the makeshift 
consulate, there in the Benghazi

666
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:42,000
Massacre. 
And of course, the CIA, guys, at

667
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,200
the safe house, down the road as
well. 

668
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,100
And what was going on there. 
Just like Bill Clinton in the 

669
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:48,900
90s. 
Well, geez were so surprised. 

670
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:52,900
The al-Qaeda guys would kill us 
after all, we've done for them. 

671
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,100
We just fought this whole War 
for them against Qaddafi. 

672
00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:59,400
And here we are. 
Why's Why are they in Benghazi 

673
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,700
in the first place? 
Cuz there's shipping mujahideen 

674
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:06,100
terrorists and and Qaddafi, 
stolen weapons off to Syria for 

675
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:08,300
the next war on behalf of 
al-Qaeda. 

676
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:10,900
Against the Shiite aligned 
forces there. 

677
00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:15,900
And so that's why they're even 
there, but left hand, and right 

678
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:18,500
hand, it's one Administration, 
but they're not coordinating 

679
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:22,500
this stuff and nobody's saying, 
hey, might it be a problem if 

680
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:26,000
we're murdering Libyan Al-Qaeda 
guys in Pakistan. 

681
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,600
At the same time. 
We're backing Libyan. 

682
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,100
Al-Qaeda guys, in Libya. 
Because guess what happened? 

683
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:36,500
Ayman, al-zawahri here. 
He himself, put out a podcast 

684
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,300
saying, hey, libyans. 
Look what they did to shaykh 

685
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:45,100
Yahya al-libi, your guy, our 
Loyal Fighter here in Pakistan, 

686
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,900
but you know what? 
I heard that Americans have a 

687
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:52,100
makeshift Consulate in Benghazi 
and September 11th is coming up.

688
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:58,400
And so zawahiri recommended this
attack and they did it and that 

689
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,800
was the true origin of the 
Benghazi attack was on one hand.

690
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,200
They were in the middle. 
They were up to their necks in 

691
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,600
high trees and backing their 
enemies. 

692
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,000
The al-Qaeda guys while on the 
other hand they were fighting 

693
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,600
against their enemies in 
Pakistan and by killing one of 

694
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,200
them inspired this Revenge 
attack in Libya. 

695
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:22,100
So talked about I think we 
talked before about the limited 

696
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:26,400
hang out there in Gazi where 
they blame the lack of security 

697
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:29,800
but without talking about the 
real problem was that, they were

698
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,000
funneling, all these guns and 
Terrace off to Syria. 

699
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:33,600
Well, this is the other side of 
it. 

700
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:39,000
The Drone war in Pakistan, that 
set off the whole thing Heavens.

701
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:47,200
So we have Bin Laden's letter in
around 2001 2002 where he cites,

702
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,300
one of his complaints against 
the us as supporting Russian 

703
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:56,000
atrocities against Alms in 
chechnya and then Vladimir 

704
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,800
Putin, when talking to Oliver 
Stone, says that the u.s. 

705
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,100
Was actually supporting the 
terrorists against the Russians.

706
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,000
What is the story? 
If you know anything about the 

707
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,600
u.s. 
Involvement in the chechnyan 

708
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,600
war? 
They're both right? 

709
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,100
Of course. 
Yeah. 

710
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:18,100
No, I mean, it's it is said, I 
don't know how solid this is, 

711
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:22,000
but it is said that Bill Clinton
paid the entire cost of Russia's

712
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,700
war in chechnya. 
That he essentially told Boris 

713
00:39:24,700 --> 00:39:29,000
Yeltsin and Vladimir Putin. 
His Deputy who was in charge of 

714
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,400
Prosecuting that war starting in
1997. 

715
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,900
You guys do what you got to do. 
Will pick up the tab at the same

716
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:36,300
time. 
The CIA was backing the 

717
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:38,100
mujahideen. 
Many of these guys were 

718
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:40,900
leftovers from the Afghan war of
the 1980s. 

719
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,000
And the Americans were playing 
both sides of the game. 

720
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,300
And in fact, you know, I'm not 
sure if anybody ever wrote a 

721
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:51,200
whole book about this or 
anything like that. 

722
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,500
I know calling Rowley, the 
former FBI agent, former FBI 

723
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:59,900
lawyer for Minneapolis who her 
and her team had busted zacarias

724
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:01,800
moussaoui. 
And could have stopped the 9/11 

725
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,600
attack. 
If their bosses had let them do 

726
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,400
their job. 
Back in August of 2001. 

727
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:09,400
She has written about this if 
you Google Coleen Rowley and 

728
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,200
chechnya, you can find some 
stuff there and God dang, you 

729
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,500
know, I am trying to think. 
Of. 

730
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:23,700
Where I have read some good 
stuff about this, you know, just

731
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,300
a raimondo and anti-war.com. 
They have written a bit about 

732
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,800
this back then too. 
But this is something that I, 

733
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,200
I'm glad you brought it up 
because it's something that I 

734
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,800
really would like to know more 
about I have in Fool's, errand. 

735
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,800
I think I have two or three 
footnotes there. 

736
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,900
I know one of them is Coleen 
Rowley. 

737
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:43,600
I don't remember what the others
were, but I know American 

738
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,200
support for the mujahideen in 
chechnya in the 90s, get some 

739
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,900
mention, and I had a few sources
there. 

740
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:49,900
So hopefully that'll do some 
good. 

741
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:54,500
It does remind me of an article.
I came across in the Los Angeles

742
00:40:54,500 --> 00:41:00,300
Times, where it said in Syria, 
Pentagon Forces, fight CIA, 

743
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:03,900
backed sort that CIA Rebels. 
I'm sorry. 

744
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:06,600
I don't have the exact quote. 
I didn't think of it until now. 

745
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:10,300
Are you familiar with a fight in
Syria? 

746
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:13,300
That was partly funded on one 
side by the Pentagon and the 

747
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:15,400
other side by the CIA. 
Yeah. 

748
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,600
No question about. 
So the entire the CIA operation 

749
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,100
started in 2011. 
Eleven, well, really go back to 

750
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:25,300
2006 and the redirection, but 
you know, 2011 Arab Spring 

751
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:29,700
Breaks out CIA, Obama and see, I
take the side of the, the 

752
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:33,600
uprising there, which very 
quickly was dominated, by 

753
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:37,000
mujahideen terrorists, al-Qaeda 
in Iraq and and people very 

754
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,800
close to them in fighting. 
And so America, the Americans 

755
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,600
continued to call these guys 
moderate Rebels and to prosecute

756
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:55,900
this policy for all of this. 
Time until in 2013, Al Qaeda in 

757
00:41:55,900 --> 00:42:01,100
Iraq in Syria, which at that 
time was called Al nusra job, 

758
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:04,700
but on this row, which is like, 
the association of Assistance or

759
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:08,500
helpers or something like this, 
which is that's just al-Qaeda in

760
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:10,600
Iraq, from Iraq, war to 
zarqawi's group. 

761
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,600
The worst of the Sunni 
Insurgency that fought the 

762
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,300
Americans in the Shia, in Iraq, 
word to they had come into 

763
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:18,800
Syria. 
So that's why I call it Al Qaeda

764
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,500
in Iraq in Syria. 
And already, they really had 

765
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:24,000
already called themselves. 
The Islamic State of Iraq, 

766
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,700
starting in 2006. 
When they had no power to create

767
00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:29,300
one but still they're making 
their Ambitions very clear. 

768
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:33,700
They come across they dominate. 
The whole rebellion in Syria. 

769
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,800
That doesn't stop Obama in the 
CIA from continuing to back them

770
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,900
on and on and on and on and on 
all the way through in 2013. 

771
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,100
They break away from al-qaeda's 
Authority and is really a fight 

772
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:48,600
over control of oil and the 
different basically the araki 

773
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,300
dominated faction of Kata in, 
Iraq, and Syria. 

774
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,000
And the Syrian dominated faction
of al-Qaeda in Iraq and Syria, 

775
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,300
baghdady versus Joe Lonnie and 
Jelani, I think, you know, was 

776
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:01,200
trying to run away with the oil 
and Baghdad. 

777
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,600
He got mad and there was a 
doctrinal fight as well about 

778
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:10,600
the al-Qaeda fight. 
Again, their Doctrine always was

779
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,900
to fight the far, enemy to fight
the United States to bog the 

780
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:18,000
United States down. 
And to keep fighting essentially

781
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,300
until the Empire is exhausted 
and butts all the way out of the

782
00:43:21,308 --> 00:43:23,700
Middle East and only then, can 
they try to create their 

783
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:26,700
caliphate and wage their local 
revolutions when the American 

784
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:30,200
suit superpower is no longer 
there to destroy it. 

785
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:32,700
Well, baghdady said screw that. 
I want to be the caliph right 

786
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:34,100
now. 
I want to do the stuff right 

787
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:38,100
now. 
And in fact, zawahiri sent an 

788
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:42,200
old friend of Bin Laden or an OG
mujahideen guy from the 80s to 

789
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,500
go and mediate and back, Daddy 
killed him and it It's like, you

790
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:49,100
know Andrew Jackson saying of 
the Supreme Court, the chief 

791
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:51,700
justice has made his law. 
Let's see him enforce it. 

792
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Right. 
It's a walker. 

793
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,600
He's hiding in the in a basement
in Pakistan somewhere. 

794
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,800
What the hell's he got to say 
about what's going on here? 

795
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,100
So at that point, Isis broke 
away from Al-Qaeda and seize 

796
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:05,200
control, essentially 
Consolidated Eastern Syria as a 

797
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,100
separate State under their 
control. 

798
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,600
I mean, south of the Kurds, but 
the rest of Eastern Syria, and 

799
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:20,400
then a year A year after that, 
in 2014 was when they rolled 

800
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,400
into Western Iraq. 
And declared the caliphate and 

801
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,000
bag. 
Daddy gave his big speech in 

802
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,900
mosul where he declared himself 
the caliph Ibrahim. 

803
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,800
And this is, you know, a 
Biblical, you know, Bin Laden 

804
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,000
night, islamist State, and all 
of that. 

805
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:43,000
Well at that time then the 
military was assigned a mission 

806
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,000
to support some Moderate Rebels.
Only in this case. 

807
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,000
The moderate Rebels job was not 
to be fighting against the Assad

808
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,000
government. 
It was to fight against Isis and

809
00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,200
so the military trained up these
guys in conflating two different

810
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,700
things, but this story's funny 
anyway, so I'll tell it first 

811
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:06,600
they trained up this group of I 
think it was five hundred guys. 

812
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,300
I spent 500 million dollars has 
like a hundred guys. 

813
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,600
So in five hundred million 
dollars during like a hundred 

814
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,000
guys, and they cross them into 
the border from Turkey into Into

815
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,400
Syria and they're immediately 
rounded up and imprisoned or 

816
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,400
shot and killed. 
And the whole thing is just 

817
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,800
completely over an instant. 
Anyway, sorry, that's the 

818
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,800
tangent. 
That was just funny. 

819
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:29,400
Then, the other thing, the 
military was assigned once Iraq 

820
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,300
were three started, which 
includes, you know, western part

821
00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:36,300
me Eastern Syria as well. 
Once the, you know, the full 

822
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:39,900
invasion of Iraq happen in the 
summer of 2014 and Obama starts,

823
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:43,900
Iraq, war three against the 
caliphate at that point, the 

824
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:49,200
military embeds, with the Curve.
It's in northeastern Syria and 

825
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,600
the Syrian Kurds are in the 
middle of this giant battle for 

826
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,800
the city of kobani, that the 
Islamic State are trying to take

827
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,200
away from them. 
And the military, basically 

828
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,300
comes and helps to some degree. 
I don't want to give him the 

829
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:03,800
credit or whatever, but to some 
degree, they come and help the 

830
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,700
Kurds and save the day to drive 
the Islamic State forces back 

831
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:10,800
from kobani. 
And they make an alliance with 

832
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,200
the Kurds. 
Then this is the Kurdish group 

833
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,500
is called the ypg, which is the 
Syrian. 

834
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,700
Branch of the pkk which are, you
know, basically leftist Kurdish 

835
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:22,900
guerrillas based out of turkey 
and you know, they have their 

836
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:26,900
rainy and faction as well. 
And in Iraq, the Kurds are 

837
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:31,800
dominated by different factions.
But anyway, in this case, they 

838
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,000
renamed the ypg, the SDF the 
Syrian Democratic forces and 

839
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,700
they included some Arabs from 
anti-isis militias as well. 

840
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,400
And this is the group that 
you're talking about from the LA

841
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,900
Times headline. 
That the CIA back guys are 

842
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:50,800
straight up. 
Bin Laden night, head Shopper 

843
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,900
suicide, bomber terrorists, and 
their absolute chauvinists and 

844
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:58,000
hate. 
Shh, hate Christians, hate druze

845
00:46:58,100 --> 00:47:01,700
and hate Kurds and enslave them 
and murder them. 

846
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:08,100
And so and they're so crazy. 
I mean, and just bloody and 

847
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:11,400
violent and ridiculous that they
don't even have their head 

848
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,500
together to focus on Assad's 
forces. 

849
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:15,500
Now, what the hell are they 
doing there? 

850
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,700
Headed out east to tangle with, 
you know, Kurds who are fighting

851
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:21,900
Isis and these are not Isis 
Guys. 

852
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:24,400
These are the bin Laden night. 
The the ones who stay loyal to 

853
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,100
zawahiri. 
This is like the he al-nusra 

854
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:30,300
front guys who were Rivals with 
Isis. 

855
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:34,400
And so here America, and the 
Kurds are helping taking care of

856
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,200
Isis for them, and they attack 
them anyway, and like, they 

857
00:47:38,207 --> 00:47:41,200
don't have enough on their 
plate, trying to take on the 

858
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,700
Assad government and its Syrian 
Arab Army. 

859
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:46,900
But anyway, so there, Up balls 
and that's what they do. 

860
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:50,600
They attack these curds. 
And so then you have the US 

861
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,200
military embedded with these 
curds and supporting them with 

862
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,500
their power, and they get into, 
you know, a pretty severe 

863
00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:01,300
Skirmish or two on the ground 
there in eastern Syria before 

864
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,400
the dod side wins in the CIA 
side has to withdraw and you 

865
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,200
know, try to go and fight 
another day. 

866
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,600
And, you know, someone at the 
time, remind me there's a clip 

867
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,000
from Woody Allen movie, which I 
don't think I've ever seen a 

868
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,800
Woody Allen. 
A movie. 

869
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:18,600
Honestly, what is a clip from a 
Woody Allen movie from like, 

870
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,600
1972 or something? 
And they're invading somewhere 

871
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,000
in South America and they're 
just like GIS or like, you know,

872
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,200
low rank and listed gi's on a 
plane. 

873
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:30,400
And the guy says, well, yeah, 
we're going down to invade 

874
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,700
Aaron, which side are We Takin? 
And the sergeant said, we're 

875
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:37,300
taking both sides to see. 
I was to make sure this time, 

876
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:40,500
you know, so they're going to be
fighting each other when they 

877
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,000
arrive on the ground there, you 
know, and that's American 

878
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,300
foreign policy in a nutshell, 
man. 

879
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:48,400
It's like a Bill Hicks kid, or 
Now, what Amir? 

880
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,000
I want to get back to Russia. 
Sorry. 

881
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,800
I am skipping around here on 
you. 

882
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:58,800
But is very critical of us. 
Intervention in the Russia, 

883
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,400
Ukraine situation. 
We have the National Endowment 

884
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,000
for democracy. 
We have John McCain and Joe 

885
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,200
Biden, openly speaking to the 
people of Ukraine, saying we 

886
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,000
support your yada, yada yada 
fill in the blank. 

887
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:13,900
What is the u.s. 
Involvement in Ukraine, man? 

888
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:18,800
It's so much. 
So, So I'll go back to 2004 and 

889
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,600
the orange Revolution there you 
had pro-russian leaning 

890
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:30,700
president named Yanukovych and 
they held an election and I 

891
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:33,700
don't know exactly how he got 
poisoned, but they made up this 

892
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:37,600
ridiculous lie that he'd been 
poisoned by the FSB. 

893
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,300
I mean, you think if the Russian
FSB tries to kill you, they can 

894
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:44,300
do it or not. 
I mean, what the hell is this? 

895
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:45,800
Crap? 
Sky. 

896
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,100
I somehow survived the poisoning
and the only thing that happened

897
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:50,600
was got these crazy welts all 
over his face. 

898
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,100
But they created around that 
narrative, the orange Revolution

899
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:58,200
and it's the color-coded 
revolutions. 

900
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,600
Where when you lose an election,
you just refuse to concede, you 

901
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,900
know, this is America exporting 
democracy. 

902
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:07,500
You don't win some and lose. 
Some when the pro-american side 

903
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:11,500
loses, you refuse to accept it 
and you stay out there and your 

904
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:14,500
Riot until they come up with 
some kind of power sharing where

905
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:18,600
they can either get. 
Away with a real coup or, you 

906
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,200
know, some kind of diminishing 
of the power of the regime that 

907
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,700
they're opposed to here and they
do it over and over and over 

908
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:26,100
again. 
They've done this over and over 

909
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:30,200
again, in starting in Serbia 
against milosevic in two 

910
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,300
thousand. 
A year. 

911
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:34,700
After the Kosovo War, then they 
did in 2002 and Georgia. 

912
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,100
They did Ukraine in 2004. 
They did Tajikistan of all 

913
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:41,000
places in 2005. 
They also tried the cedar 

914
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:47,500
revolution in Lebanon, in 2005, 
the I'm revolution in Belarus in

915
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:49,600
2005. 
We have one of those color-coded

916
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,000
revolutions going on there, 
right now. 

917
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,000
They're calling it. 
The slipper Revolution. 

918
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,800
That's not a color, but like 
bedroom slippers somehow. 

919
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,800
I don't know. 
But they always have this 

920
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,200
gimmick behind it for people to 
Rally around and they always got

921
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,100
a ton of any D money and NGO 
money, you know, like sub CIA 

922
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:07,600
type. 
I forgot who said that. 

923
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,100
Quote, it's from the Reagan 
years. 

924
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:11,800
It's an official quote from one 
of these guys saying that we 

925
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,400
have the ne D, do what the CIA 
used to do in overthrowing. 

926
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:17,600
It's and here's how we do it. 
There's no secret about it. 

927
00:51:17,607 --> 00:51:20,300
That's the official thing. 
That's what the NAD is. 

928
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:26,900
The regime change the less than 
violent regime change operations

929
00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:31,300
of the CIA essentially. 
And so then they pulled the same

930
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:34,800
stunt again under Obama in 
Ukraine, in 2014. 

931
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:37,500
And so, how they set it up was 
like this. 

932
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,600
They had Yanukovych the same guy
who they thwarted and overthrew 

933
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:49,100
back in 2004. 
He got elected again in 2010 and

934
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:51,600
what it was was he was supposed 
to make a trade deal with the 

935
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:56,600
European Union and the west. 
And so, you know, they'd already

936
00:51:56,700 --> 00:52:00,700
France and Germany had already 
told Bush, absolutely not. 

937
00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:03,100
When it came to Bringing Ukraine
into NATO. 

938
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,300
That's just not going to happen,
but we can interview, we can 

939
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:10,400
integrate them into the Ian 
Union step-by-step anyway, and 

940
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,000
then maybe one day we'll work 
toward, you know, NATO and the 

941
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:18,300
future, something like that. 
So they invite Yanukovych to 

942
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:25,200
this, you know, European Union 
trade deal signing and then I'm 

943
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,600
not sure if this was quite 
deliberate or not for the effect

944
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,700
that they got out of it. 
I suspect that it was but maybe 

945
00:52:31,700 --> 00:52:35,100
they didn't care either way, but
what they did was they added all

946
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:37,700
these new conditions to very 
important one. 

947
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,100
And the first one was that if 
you sign this deal with the 

948
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:48,400
European Union, then you may not
also sign one with Russia. 

949
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:52,000
And if you do, then you're trade
deal with the European Union 

950
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,000
will then be cancelled. 
So you have to choose us or 

951
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,600
them. 
You can't have an open trade 

952
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,800
deal with both and then the 
second thing was you're going to

953
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,600
have to take I think it was 15 
billion dollars worth of IMF 

954
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,600
loans that we know you can't pay
back so that we can confiscate 

955
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,300
all your resources in the Go 
Western, gangster, fashion. 

956
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:16,000
And so Yanukovych said, what? 
Jeez, I feel like a bride who 

957
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,500
showed up at my wedding to be 
greeted with a prenuptial 

958
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:23,200
agreement and you kind of took 
the romance out of the whole 

959
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,200
thing here. 
And I'm not sure I want to get 

960
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,800
hit. 
So I think I'm going home and he

961
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,100
turned around, he went home, 
which I suspect was the point of

962
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:33,200
the thing again, like ramble. 
Ye give him some poison pill 

963
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,600
that he can't possibly accept so
that he rejects it, and then 

964
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,700
that became the pretext for the 
Americans to start backing a 

965
00:53:39,707 --> 00:53:43,200
street Revolution beginning in 
the fall of 2013 and into 

966
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,700
January and February 2014. 
And Carl gershman who is ahead 

967
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:50,800
of the any D wrote an essay in 
the Washington Post. 

968
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:57,900
I think in October saying that, 
you know, Ukraine is next. 

969
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,200
We're getting what we want and 
it ends with e flat, Amir Putin 

970
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,300
doesn't like it. 
He might find himself on the 

971
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:06,400
receiving end of one of these 
revolutions here in Moscow, in 

972
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,400
the near future. 
I swear it says that bank. 

973
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,900
Rita Carl gershman October 
Washington Post, Ukraine, 

974
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:15,400
Russia, those you keywords. 
Real Brave talk from this guy. 

975
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,900
Go ahead. 
I was so another words. 

976
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:21,700
There is u.s. 
Involvement in Ukraine to make 

977
00:54:21,700 --> 00:54:24,200
sure Ukraine. 
Does not have a strong 

978
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,800
relationship with Russia. 
In the same way. 

979
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:31,100
They don't want Iran to have 
Assad in Syria. 

980
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:33,200
This is sort of a weakening an 
alliance. 

981
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,900
That's what the, any D and 
McCain and Biden are doing. 

982
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,700
That's right, but you also got a
picture of the map in your Ahead

983
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:40,800
here, right? 
Because it's all important. 

984
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,500
And you know what? 
I actually didn't understand 

985
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:44,500
this for a long time. 
I'm slightly embarrassed to say,

986
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:47,400
but I don't care. 
The geopolitics always thought 

987
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:52,300
that was just a pseudo smart 
guy, word for international 

988
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:55,300
politics, you know, but that's 
not what it is. 

989
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,900
It's really is tied, it Geo. 
There is not Geo like the Earth.

990
00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:02,900
It's Geo like geography. 
Like this is all about which way

991
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:08,400
the pipeline goes in through 
this mountain pass and who has 

992
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,900
access Access to this port on 
this, see, that leads to that. 

993
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:15,700
See, and all of these most 
important things about the shape

994
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:19,100
of the geography and the 
Topography of the planet and the

995
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:21,600
role that all of that plays in 
politics. 

996
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,700
So, what's so important about 
Crimea, I mean, while see, I 

997
00:55:25,707 --> 00:55:28,500
blew that punch line, what's so 
important about Ukraine. 

998
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,000
Well, first of all, their grain,
they're known as the breadbasket

999
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,800
of Europe and all of that, it 
can, you know, feed Europe with 

1000
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:40,800
their rich soil, but also they 
Owned and past tense, the 

1001
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,000
Crimean peninsula in the Black 
Sea and the Black Sea, of 

1002
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:51,600
course, is the gate Russia's 
gateway to the Mediterranean Sea

1003
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:54,700
and it's their only year-round 
warm water Port. 

1004
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:57,400
The rest of their ports are 
frozen over in the winter time, 

1005
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,600
even in the Far East in 
Vladivostok. 

1006
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,000
They're all frozen over. 
This is their only deep water, 

1007
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:09,700
warm water Port that they have, 
and it's Complicated situation 

1008
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:15,800
here because when the Soviet 
Union broke up the Soviets, the 

1009
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,100
Russians made a deal with the 
crimeans that you guys can keep 

1010
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:21,400
control. 
I mean, apartment with 

1011
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,500
ukrainians that you guys can 
keep control over the Crimean 

1012
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:27,100
Peninsula, but you have to let 
us keep our Naval Base at 

1013
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:31,200
sevastopol. 
And so that was the deal and 

1014
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,900
that status quo had rained since
the end of the Cold War. 

1015
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:37,400
No problem. 
Then America launches, 

1016
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,200
essentially this street, put and
well, see I'm getting ahead of 

1017
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,100
myself in the narrative here. 
This is the point. 

1018
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:47,400
This is we're back to motive 
here, which was your original 

1019
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,300
question Americans, want to take
Crimea away from Russia. 

1020
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:54,000
They want to take Ukraine away 
from Russia. 

1021
00:56:54,300 --> 00:57:00,500
In the words of zbigniew 
Brzezinski Russia with Crimea 

1022
00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:04,300
and Ukraine under their 
influence is a global power. 

1023
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:10,400
Without Crimea and their access 
to the Black Sea there, then 

1024
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,500
they are just a regional power. 
And so this is the difference 

1025
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:19,000
between whether Russia is a 
country or a great nation and 

1026
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,900
and we're in the position to 
make that difference. 

1027
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:25,100
And I'm not sure if I ever told 
you this before, but for you and

1028
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:26,500
everybody else, you got to see 
this. 

1029
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:31,300
You'll just love it. 
It's it's Gideon. 

1030
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:34,600
Rose, who was the editor of 
Foreign Affairs magazine? 

1031
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:37,300
Asean, the Journal of the 
Council on Foreign Relations, 

1032
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:40,900
and he's a guest on The Colbert 
Report back when it was funny, 

1033
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:43,800
the satire show on the comedy 
channel. 

1034
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:47,200
And I mean, they must have sent 
a press release. 

1035
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,700
Like, hey, would you have this 
guy on? 

1036
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:50,700
We want to do this? 
I don't know why they wanted to 

1037
00:57:50,707 --> 00:57:53,500
do that. 
But this is just Imperial hubris

1038
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:55,800
to find and get Ian Rose. 
Explains. 

1039
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,600
The whole thing to Stephen 
Colbert's character here. 

1040
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,000
Here's what we're doing. 
We're stealing away. 

1041
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,600
Russia's girlfriend. 
We're taking away Robin to their

1042
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:08,000
Batman, their best friend, their
most important thing and we're 

1043
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,200
doing it. 
While Putin is distracted by the

1044
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,400
Sochi Olympics, and his Security
Services are also distracted by 

1045
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,700
the Sochi Olympics. 
And we're going to try to get 

1046
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:18,400
away with it. 
And the thing is, the question 

1047
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,600
is, can we get away with it 
before? 

1048
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,800
Putin has a chance to react. 
But this is what it's all about.

1049
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,200
Is removing Ukraine from 
Russia's influence and bringing 

1050
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,100
it into the American Empire. 
Now, it's worth pointing out 

1051
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,500
that Ukraine. 
As Pat Buchanan, once wrote, 

1052
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:40,700
Ukraine is east of what we ever 
used to call Eastern Europe. 

1053
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:45,500
I mean, this is Russia's sphere 
of influence, like it or not. 

1054
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:48,700
I mean, we are talking three 
countries east of Austria here 

1055
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,000
or something. 
And this is just to think that 

1056
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,600
this I cannot absolutely can not
be under, Russia's sphere of 

1057
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,400
influence, but absolutely must 
be under the sphere of influence

1058
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,900
of the middle part of North. 
America is completely nuts. 

1059
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,100
Right? 
And now, the only reason that 

1060
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:12,100
Crimea belonged to Ukraine is 
because, well, first of all 

1061
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,900
Crimea belong to Russia, ever 
since the 1780s when America was

1062
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:18,000
under the Articles of 
Confederation was when 

1063
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,000
Catherine, the Great stole it 
from the Turks, I guess the 

1064
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,500
Russians beat them. 
And paid them like the Mexican 

1065
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:28,600
Cession or something like that, 
you know, and took Crimea. 

1066
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,700
And so it had been a Russian 
Province taken from the Turkish 

1067
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:39,300
Empire way back in the 1780s and
Russia owned it all along until 

1068
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,700
after Stalin died Khrushchev. 
If they say drunkenly, I don't 

1069
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:48,800
know if that makes a difference 
but Khrushchev gave by edict 

1070
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:54,600
gave Crimea to Ukraine and Has 
he was Ukrainian and he needed 

1071
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,700
to shore up support in the 
Ukrainian Communist party, for 

1072
00:59:57,700 --> 01:00:00,200
his rise to power after the 
death of Stalin. 

1073
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:04,600
And so this was his trade off. 
Now, you tell me how sacred is 

1074
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,200
it to you, the Edict of the 
General Secretary of the 

1075
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,500
Communist Party of the Soviet 
Union, or do you give a damn 

1076
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:18,900
what he says and whether it must
go or not and so in reality 

1077
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,400
Regardless of how kind of, you 
know, strange those 

1078
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,600
circumstances were, when the 
Soviet Union broke up, the 

1079
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,500
Russians didn't say. 
All right now, give us back 

1080
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:31,000
Crimea. 
They said, look, you guys can 

1081
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,900
keep it but just respect our 
autonomy, treat them, right? 

1082
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:36,900
And let us keep our Naval base 
and that status quo reigned 

1083
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:41,400
from, you know, for 30 years, 
when the end of the Cold War 

1084
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,100
until 2014. 
And then there was a violent 

1085
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:48,300
Street, put led by Nazi groups 
like this. 

1086
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:51,100
Faux Bois de T, which is 
foreboding means truth, but they

1087
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:57,100
used to be known as the social 
nationalists, get it and the 

1088
01:00:57,100 --> 01:01:01,000
right sector and the azov 
Battalion, and these different 

1089
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,300
groups who are bunch of Hitler, 
loved and Nazis who worship 

1090
01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:07,100
stepan Bandera is their big 
national hero. 

1091
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,600
When he served Hitler in the 
galatian SS enforcing the 

1092
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,700
Holocaust against poles and 
Jews. 

1093
01:01:12,700 --> 01:01:15,900
There was one of the worst war. 
Criminals of the entire second 

1094
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:19,200
world war is hailed as their 
hero and leader. 

1095
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,800
And these are the very far right
Wingers who overthrew the 

1096
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,600
government for the us there. 
And then it's not the case that 

1097
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,000
they created a Nazi regime after
that. 

1098
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,000
They just created, you know, a 
pseudo democracy that's 

1099
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,800
chock-full of Nazis and 
including, and especially in 

1100
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,400
their military forces, but one 
of these Nazis Andre Peru be was

1101
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,000
the Speaker of the House for 
like six years after this. 

1102
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,700
So people who say, oh, come on, 
the Nazis might have been 

1103
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:48,200
involved in the street porch, 
but they didn't win any power 

1104
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,300
here. 
Yeah, that's not You know, their

1105
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:53,500
particular parties didn't, but 
that's because the leaders of 

1106
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:57,000
those parties ran under other 
parties names and did not get 

1107
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,000
elected as from there were 
parties didn't do well, but the 

1108
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,800
actual people did in many cases 
and they still have a lot of 

1109
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,900
power there. 
But then right after the coup, 

1110
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:11,400
three former Ukrainian 
presidents wrote a letter. 

1111
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:15,100
Insisting that. 
Now we must kick the Russians 

1112
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:17,100
out of the sevastopol naval 
base. 

1113
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:21,000
Now is our chance to do it and 
And that was when Putin 

1114
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,600
responded, in fact, there have 
been a murder of some crimeans 

1115
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,800
in a bus. 
That have been seized by some 

1116
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,500
Nazis and that was, you know, 
part of the run-up. 

1117
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:35,500
And then the other thing was 
that like, a First Act of the 

1118
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:38,500
new Parliament was to Outlaw 
Russian. 

1119
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:41,400
As an official language, even 
though Russian isn't is 

1120
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:44,700
literally the only language of 
about half the population of the

1121
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:47,900
country, which is a legacy of 
the Communist days, but it is 

1122
01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:49,300
what it is. 
These people don't even know 

1123
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:52,000
Ukrainian. 
Their Russian speakers is almost

1124
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:58,100
divided in half nationally. 
But anyway, so this was all you 

1125
01:02:58,100 --> 01:03:01,000
know agitation, then the three 
presidents say now is the time 

1126
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,700
to kick Russia out of 
sevastopol. 

1127
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:06,900
That was the final straw and at 
that point Putin and look this 

1128
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:09,600
isn't just to take his side. 
I Hate Everyone is always on 

1129
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,200
everybody's side. 
I don't have any sides. 

1130
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,000
This is just the truth against 
the lies. 

1131
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,600
That's it. 
Okay, the Russians tore their 

1132
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:21,400
Insignia off and essentially 
they walked out of their Naval 

1133
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,100
base and they just sees the 
whole Peninsula. 

1134
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:28,800
They didn't kill anyone. 
Keith not Single one person, the

1135
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,600
only shots that were fired were 
fired in the air and you can 

1136
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,300
find the Clipper at least you 
used to be able to find the clip

1137
01:03:34,700 --> 01:03:37,000
on the internet of the Russian 
soldiers. 

1138
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,000
Tell us some crimeans. 
Bang bang. 

1139
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:41,800
You boys need to turn around now
and get the hell out of here. 

1140
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,200
And they say, you know what, 
that's exactly what we're doing,

1141
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,000
and they turn around and leave, 
and that's it. 

1142
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:50,500
So, it was what they call in 
French, a coup de main which is 

1143
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,900
like Hitler annexing Austria, 
right? 

1144
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:56,300
He just rolls right in and says,
this belongs, to me now done. 

1145
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,000
And that was what they did and 
of course not to make the Hitler

1146
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,000
comparison. 
I'm just talking about what it 

1147
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,700
means to seize a place without 
real violence. 

1148
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:09,900
And the reality is that the 
population of Crimea is like, 80

1149
01:04:09,900 --> 01:04:14,600
something percent or ninety, 
something percent Christian in 

1150
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,600
Russian, and then there's like a
10% attach our minority, the 

1151
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,700
turkic minority and then, you 
know, those numbers on your 

1152
01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:23,800
second because there's another 
five or ten percent or 

1153
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,600
ukrainians to so, but right 
around there. 

1154
01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:30,300
Super majority are ethnic 
Russians and then the minority 

1155
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:34,600
are ethnic ukrainians or tat 
ours, but you know, if and I'm 

1156
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,800
not a statist, but if they have 
if anybody has a right to secede

1157
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,900
from one nation and join another
nation that people of Crimea in 

1158
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:46,400
their situation absolutely did 
and they held a referendum where

1159
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,700
they ratified all of these 
results and it's been checked by

1160
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:54,300
independent polling monitors and
all of that as being essentially

1161
01:04:54,300 --> 01:04:57,300
legitimate referendum results. 
And so that Was the horrible 

1162
01:04:57,300 --> 01:05:01,600
atrocity of the Russian seizure 
of Crimea, but then the 

1163
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,500
pro-russian factions in the 
Eastern donbas region, right? 

1164
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:07,400
On the Russian border there in 
Donetsk and luhansk. 

1165
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,200
They said well, you know, what, 
if you guys can occupy all these

1166
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,400
buildings and refuse to respect 
the authority of the elected, 

1167
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,700
president of the country. 
Well, we can sure as hell 

1168
01:05:15,700 --> 01:05:17,400
occupy. 
All the government buildings in 

1169
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,300
our region and refuse to respect
the authority of your Nazi back 

1170
01:05:21,300 --> 01:05:25,200
coup, d'etat Junta, screw you 
and then what are the Nazi? 

1171
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,400
Back coup, d'etat Junta do. 
They declared a war on terrorism

1172
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,500
and invaded the East and killed 
something like 10,000 people or 

1173
01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:38,800
more in a war throughout 2014 
and 15 and various stages of 

1174
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:43,700
fighting in the time since then.
And and so what you know going 

1175
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:47,800
back to Gideon Rose, you can't 
run off with Ukraine. 

1176
01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:50,500
You're talking about a country 
that stuck to the ground. 

1177
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:53,000
It's not going anywhere and 
where is it? 

1178
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,300
It still right where it was 
adjacent to Russia. 

1179
01:05:56,700 --> 01:06:01,200
And No, as Ray McGovern likes to
point out there's and thank you 

1180
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,900
to Chelsea Manning for 
liberating this document. 

1181
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:06,700
There's a state department 
document. 

1182
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,300
That's by. 
I think it's Nicholas Burns. 

1183
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:11,900
I forget exactly it's one of 
these State Department goons, 

1184
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:17,800
and he's riding home from Russia
and the cable is called, yet 

1185
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,800
means net and it's about the 
American ambassadors. 

1186
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,300
Visit with Sergey lavrov, the 
Russian foreign minister. 

1187
01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:30,600
And Sergei lavrov says listen, 
let me tell you something on 

1188
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,600
this is before the coup. 
This is yours before the coup. 

1189
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,000
This would have been, you know, 
early Obama years his. 

1190
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,600
Let me tell you something. 
You're not bringing Ukraine into

1191
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,100
NATO and you can just forget it 
right now and let me just tell 

1192
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:45,700
you a thing that I think you 
already know. 

1193
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,000
The Russian military could be in
Kiev in two weeks, probably 

1194
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:56,000
less. 
Do you want to try me yet? 

1195
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:00,300
Means yet, and that was it. 
He saying if you try to bring 

1196
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:03,200
Ukraine into NATO, we will 
invade and Conquer it. 

1197
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,300
And then what are you going to 
do? 

1198
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:11,400
And now, which is exactly what 
Barack Obama's government or 

1199
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,700
job, Joe, Biden, or George Bush,
or Donald Trump's government 

1200
01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:17,300
would tell the Russians about 
overthrowing the government in 

1201
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:21,700
Canada, and installing a pro, 
you know, a Hitler loving 

1202
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:26,700
pro-russian regime there and try
to bring them into the Russian 

1203
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:29,200
Federation. 
I'll tell you what, we will 

1204
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:33,100
invade and Conquer Canada and 
kick every pro-russian 

1205
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,700
government agent out of power. 
And maybe off the continent. 

1206
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:40,100
Before we let you get away with 
that. 

1207
01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:42,300
Can you imagine the Americans 
letting that happen? 

1208
01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:44,700
The Russians do a coup in 
Mexico? 

1209
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:48,300
They use a bunch of Hitler loved
and Nazis to do it to put a pro 

1210
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:52,500
Russian regime in power and then
create an official military 

1211
01:07:52,500 --> 01:07:55,500
alliance with them. 
And put the Russian military in 

1212
01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:58,400
Mexico. 
We would nuke Moscow and Mexico 

1213
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,800
City. 
Both first and we all know it, 

1214
01:08:01,100 --> 01:08:04,300
but then we expect the Russians 
to just sit there and take it. 

1215
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,600
And I would say, you know what? 
But Sergei lavrov, that guy's 

1216
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,200
not a joke, we e says yet, means
yet. 

1217
01:08:11,300 --> 01:08:14,000
We should just take that at face
value and ask ourselves. 

1218
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,300
How do we allow our politicians 
to take risks like this in any 

1219
01:08:18,300 --> 01:08:19,700
sense? 
How is anything? 

1220
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:23,300
I just said, how is it even 
possible that it could be true? 

1221
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:27,600
That this is the way we do our 
foreign policy in Far Eastern 

1222
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,300
Europe. 
It's just nuts. 

1223
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,100
Exactly. 
Yeah, I can't even build a porch

1224
01:08:33,100 --> 01:08:36,500
on my own property without the 
government getting involved. 

1225
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:40,000
It's not they're constantly 
trying to intervene everywhere 

1226
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,800
else, but for other people they 
have the highest standards that 

1227
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,899
come out of nowhere. 
My final question is, I want to 

1228
01:08:45,899 --> 01:08:48,700
get I really wanted time to go 
by. 

1229
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:54,500
Before I asked you this one. 
What is the Genesis of Russia 

1230
01:08:54,500 --> 01:08:56,200
gate? 
What is the biggest claim that 

1231
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:57,700
they have? 
Or I'm sorry. 

1232
01:08:57,700 --> 01:09:02,100
The biggest claim is Vlad. 
Damir Putin, either conspired or

1233
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:08,500
had Trump as a, as a dupe to 
enter the election, the Russian 

1234
01:09:08,500 --> 01:09:12,200
intelligence manipulated social 
media and even hack some voting 

1235
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,899
machines in order to turn the 
tide from Hillary to Donald 

1236
01:09:15,899 --> 01:09:18,200
Trump so he could use them as a 
dupe. 

1237
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,700
Is there anything to Russia gate
and the molar report? 

1238
01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:26,899
That's of importance. 
Well, first of all, the entire 

1239
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:29,500
plot was faked. 
The whole thing was a lie. 

1240
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:32,399
The plot was to make you think 
that it might be true. 

1241
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,899
Was the only actual conspiracy 
involved in the entire thing. 

1242
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,600
The mullah report itself. 
Absolutely is important because 

1243
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,399
that's where he admits it. 
The whole thing's fake. 

1244
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:45,399
They got nothing and so their 
major parts of this in different

1245
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:46,399
facets of it. 
Okay. 

1246
01:09:46,500 --> 01:09:50,899
So one part of it is the hacking
and the leaking of the DNC 

1247
01:09:50,899 --> 01:09:55,000
emails to WikiLeaks. 
Then there is the question of 

1248
01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:00,900
page and Papadopoulos, sessions 
and Flynn and Donald Trump jr. 

1249
01:10:00,900 --> 01:10:04,300
And different members of The 
Campaign and they're supposed 

1250
01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:07,300
treasonous relations with the 
Russians. 

1251
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,400
Then there's the accusation that
Russian intelligence, hijacked, 

1252
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,900
Facebook and Twitter and bought 
all these ads to so Division and

1253
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:19,200
create all these protest 
movements and to create the 

1254
01:10:19,208 --> 01:10:21,500
black lives matter movement 
because, you know, those people 

1255
01:10:21,500 --> 01:10:24,000
were perfectly happy with their 
station in life before the 

1256
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,200
Russians came and lied to them 
and made them think that getting

1257
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,500
killed by cops suck and stuff 
like that. 

1258
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,700
And every bit of it, is a lie. 
Oh and then you mentioned the 

1259
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:37,100
hacking of the voting machines. 
That's a lot of people thought 

1260
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:40,100
they heard but that was actually
not even the claim. 

1261
01:10:40,300 --> 01:10:43,800
The claim was only that they had
had and and get this the claim 

1262
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,100
comes from the Department of 
Homeland Security. 

1263
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:49,800
Okay, in other words, the FBI 
didn't bother with this crap. 

1264
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:54,800
You know, this DHS is like the 
bastard child worth less than 

1265
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,700
the ATF. 
I mean, these guys are the 

1266
01:10:56,700 --> 01:10:59,200
absolute dregs of the federal 
government. 

1267
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,600
They don't No, nothing. 
That ain't a lie, some garbage. 

1268
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:08,700
But anyway, all they said was 
that Russian Bots, right? 

1269
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:13,900
Like computers from we think 
Russian IP addresses scanned, 

1270
01:11:13,900 --> 01:11:17,500
our servers, which actually, 
that's not anything right? 

1271
01:11:17,500 --> 01:11:18,900
That's all web. 
Bots. 

1272
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:22,400
Do all day is scans servers. 
And for God's sake. 

1273
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:26,900
The fact that a server is in 
Russia, doesn't mean a damned 

1274
01:11:26,900 --> 01:11:30,000
thing and you know, it and I 
know it and these stupid Fires 

1275
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,900
know it it doesn't mean 
anything. 

1276
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,800
It means nothing. 
Let me tell you. 

1277
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:38,300
Keith. 
There was no effort by Russia to

1278
01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:43,000
intervene in the American 
election of 2016 at all. 

1279
01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:48,100
It never happened and there's no
proof that any of it ever 

1280
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:49,800
happened. 
You look at the hacking of the 

1281
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,800
DNC. 
Robert Mueller says, well, you 

1282
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,100
know, we think they did it but 
he has an indictment that has no

1283
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:59,500
proof and no discussion of how 
they did it. 

1284
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,700
Just a bunch of claims and 
assertions and then in the 

1285
01:12:03,700 --> 01:12:07,100
mullah report, he admits that. 
Well, even though we think the 

1286
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:08,700
Russians are the ones who got 
these emails. 

1287
01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:12,700
We have no chain of custody for 
how they deliver these emails to

1288
01:12:12,700 --> 01:12:15,000
WikiLeaks for Julian Assange to 
post. 

1289
01:12:15,100 --> 01:12:17,100
Oh, and by the way, we didn't 
bother interview and Julian 

1290
01:12:17,100 --> 01:12:19,400
Assange, because we don't want 
to know what he has to say about

1291
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,100
this. 
He's sworn over and over that 

1292
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:22,800
the Russians didn't have a damn 
thing to do with it. 

1293
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,300
And I've interviewed Craig 
Murray who was a great friend of

1294
01:12:25,300 --> 01:12:27,900
Julian Assange and supporter of 
his, the former Russian, 

1295
01:12:27,900 --> 01:12:32,600
ambassador to his Pakistan. 
Who exposed torture there and he

1296
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,900
told me on my show that he knows
who hacked the DNC, and it 

1297
01:12:35,900 --> 01:12:39,000
wasn't any foreign government. 
It was a Democrat and he did not

1298
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,700
say it was Seth rich, but he 
said it was a Democrat from the 

1299
01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:45,300
DNC who is angered about what 
was going on by the corruption 

1300
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:48,400
and leak the stuff. 
And that he has met this person 

1301
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,500
and has this person has no 
conceivable tie to Russian 

1302
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:54,400
intelligence in any way. 
Whatsoever is where that stuff 

1303
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,000
comes from. 
And is there any reason to 

1304
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,900
believe that the Russians were 
behind that hack? 

1305
01:12:59,100 --> 01:13:02,100
No. 
Back, there's the only so-called

1306
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:05,500
evidence that they did in fact 
leads exactly the opposite. 

1307
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:11,600
Way that oh look a bunch of 
Cyrillic letters and a reference

1308
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,300
to iron Felix. 
The founder of the nkvd is 

1309
01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:20,100
hidden in the metadata in here. 
And Matt Taibbi says that's like

1310
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:25,000
finding a hidden reference to 
Allen Dulles in the stuxnet 

1311
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,800
code. 
I think it's not gonna do that. 

1312
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:30,500
It doesn't make any sense iron. 
This was the founder of the 

1313
01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:35,700
nkvd, you know, 100 years ago 
and just this is obviously a 

1314
01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:38,500
Telltale footprint that was left
there by someone framing. 

1315
01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:42,700
The Russians is obviously the 
more likely explanation of even 

1316
01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:46,300
that and that's just step one. 
Then you have Papadopoulos. 

1317
01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:49,000
Well, the guy who told 
Papadopoulos that the Russians 

1318
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,900
have some emails from Hillary. 
He was British spook. 

1319
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:55,900
He's Maltese guy named Miss. 
Foote was working for the 

1320
01:13:55,900 --> 01:13:59,700
British and clearly he was not 
working for the Russians had no.

1321
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,500
Tired of the Russians didn't 
have any scuttlebutt from the 

1322
01:14:02,500 --> 01:14:04,300
Russians. 
That he's the one who put it in 

1323
01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:07,000
Papadopoulos. 
Azir, that the Russians have 

1324
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,100
some stuff from Hillary. 
And then they got this 

1325
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:12,300
Australian to claim that 
Papadopoulos told him that. 

1326
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:15,000
Yeah, the Russians have some 
stuff on Hillary. 

1327
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:19,900
But then now we know far after 
the fact that the FBI's internal

1328
01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:22,100
memos to each other said, this 
is all Bs. 

1329
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:24,900
This guy doesn't have any ties 
to the Russians and any access 

1330
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:27,600
to any Russian information and 
they actually refused to even 

1331
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,400
use Papadopoulos as a pretext. 
For the rest of their 

1332
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,300
investigation the entire time 
but they didn't tell you that 

1333
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:36,200
they spent three years 
pretending that Papadopoulos had

1334
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,600
been suborned by the Russians 
and was part of the way that 

1335
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,300
they were controlling Donald 
Trump. 

1336
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,800
Same thing with Paul manafort. 
Paul manafort. 

1337
01:14:43,900 --> 01:14:45,700
Guess what he worked for 
Yanukovych. 

1338
01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:48,800
The Russian leading president 
Russian leaning president of 

1339
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:53,400
Ukraine that America overthrew 
in 2014, but he was clearly CIA 

1340
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,000
and his job while not clearly 
CIA. 

1341
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,900
But he was At least it very 
much. 

1342
01:14:58,900 --> 01:15:02,400
Looks like he was CIA and was 
representing America's interest.

1343
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:06,200
He was trying to get Yanukovych 
to sign the deal with the EU, 

1344
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,800
not to turn toward Russia. 
He was trying to get the guy to 

1345
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,300
serve America's interests there.
That's what a traitor manafort 

1346
01:15:13,300 --> 01:15:16,200
is, and then they go manafort, 
gave a polling data. 

1347
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,500
Do this guy clinic will kill em,
Nick work for the state 

1348
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:23,700
department, Clinic worked for 
John McCain's International 

1349
01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:27,300
Republican, Institute for 20. 
Ears. 

1350
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:30,500
He wasn't FSB. 
He wasn't a Russian intelligence

1351
01:15:30,500 --> 01:15:32,800
agent. 
He worked for the Americans. 

1352
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,300
Then there's Mike Flynn. 
No, he did not sleep with the 

1353
01:15:36,300 --> 01:15:39,000
Russian spy lady at Cambridge. 
In 2014. 

1354
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,100
That was a made-up Lie by liars.
And no, he did not commit 

1355
01:15:42,100 --> 01:15:45,800
treason on the phone with kislyi
act, the Russian Ambassador. 

1356
01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:48,400
In fact, only the closest he 
came to committing treason. 

1357
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,300
There was asking Kinsley act to 
veto a UN resolution against 

1358
01:15:52,300 --> 01:15:55,500
Israel on behalf of Israel. 
And what was he doing? 

1359
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:59,600
He was asking the In a favor and
the Russian told him. 

1360
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,000
No. 
Is that sound like the Russian 

1361
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,200
giving Mike Flynn is marching 
orders because he's a compromise

1362
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,000
spy of the Russian Federation 
for Christ's sake. 

1363
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:11,500
It's got is a three-star General
and when they made the biggest 

1364
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:13,800
deal in the world about how he 
went to this RT dinner in 

1365
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,200
Moscow. 
Yeah. 

1366
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,200
Well guess what? 
He was a three-star, General 

1367
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:21,100
working for the DIA at the time.
You don't think he went there on

1368
01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:25,100
a mission for the DIA and that 
he didn't come back and debrief 

1369
01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:26,900
the DIA about every single 
thing. 

1370
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,500
Thing he'd learned there. 
He's got his clearance, his 

1371
01:16:29,500 --> 01:16:31,200
security clearance over and over
again. 

1372
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,900
After that. 
He wasn't, you know, he got 

1373
01:16:33,900 --> 01:16:35,300
fired. 
Now for treason with the 

1374
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:36,700
Russians. 
He got fired because he was 

1375
01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:40,100
trying to stop Obama's trees. 
And with al-Qaeda in Syria. 

1376
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:44,200
He was passing intelligence to 
Assad to use to kill. 

1377
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,500
Al-Qaeda guys. 
Remember the military backs the 

1378
01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:51,600
SDF against al Qaeda. 
It's the CIA that back. 

1379
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,500
Saketa. 
The military was against that 

1380
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,900
will Flynn was Dia and He was 
giving the Germans until to give

1381
01:16:58,900 --> 01:17:02,900
to Assad to kill Al-Qaeda guys 
with CIA assets. 

1382
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:05,700
Tough boohoo for you. 
And that was what he got fired 

1383
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:09,400
for and for going on the mehdi 
Hassan show met his son, who's a

1384
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,000
horrible bastard. 
It must be said but who 

1385
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,000
interviewed Mike Flynn and Mike 
Flynn, says absolutely as a 

1386
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,400
willful decision to allow the 
rise of Isis to put pressure on 

1387
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:18,900
Assad. 
No question about it. 

1388
01:17:18,900 --> 01:17:20,800
Explains all that people. 
Can Google that. 

1389
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,300
That was what they hated about 
Flynn and he was soft on Russia.

1390
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:26,800
He wanted to focus on China, 
Ally with Russia. 

1391
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,700
In order to focus on hemming in 
China and that was a difference 

1392
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,800
of doctrinal opinion there that 
they try to get him on but then 

1393
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,100
look at they had to do, they had
to pretend that he was violating

1394
01:17:36,100 --> 01:17:39,100
the Logan act when he told 
calumniate. 

1395
01:17:39,100 --> 01:17:42,400
I mean, pardon me a kiss Lee, 
ack, the Russian Ambassador that

1396
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,600
hey Obama. 
Just put these new sanctions on 

1397
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,000
you, but we're talking about 
December 16. 

1398
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,400
Okay? 
Obama put these sanctions on 

1399
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:54,800
you, but don't do Tit for Tat 
and and do anything back because

1400
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,900
we're about to take power in 
another six weeks here. 

1401
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,000
And we want to strike a new note
and get along. 

1402
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,200
So don't do anything. 
Stupid. 

1403
01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:03,400
In fact, what did Putin do after
Obama kicked a bunch of 

1404
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,900
Russians, out of the country and
announce these new sanctions, 

1405
01:18:05,900 --> 01:18:08,600
Putin invited, all the American 
Embassy staff to a Christmas 

1406
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,200
party and said, I don't want to 
fight. 

1407
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,200
Let's not fight. 
Let's keep it, cool, taking 

1408
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,300
Flynn's advice on that. 
Well, now look, man, the Logan 

1409
01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:19,600
act Keith says that you can't go
and make a separate deal on 

1410
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,900
behalf of the United States with
Putin or any other foreign 

1411
01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:26,100
Sovereign government. 
Okay, or say like you were a CEO

1412
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,300
of an oil company. 
Paneer some you can't have your 

1413
01:18:28,300 --> 01:18:31,400
own separate trade. 
Deal that undercuts the USA's 

1414
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,800
trade deal. 
That's what the Logan act says. 

1415
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,600
It's never been enforced ever. 
Not a 200 years ever. 

1416
01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:42,600
It's a dead letter. 
It is not law and it sure. 

1417
01:18:42,700 --> 01:18:48,900
As hell does not apply to the 
designated national security 

1418
01:18:48,900 --> 01:18:54,900
advisor of the president elect 
of the United States of America.

1419
01:18:54,900 --> 01:18:56,900
This is not in the summer of 
2016. 

1420
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,700
Teen. 
This is in the last month's, 

1421
01:18:59,700 --> 01:19:03,100
this is after the election. 
This is after the electoral 

1422
01:19:03,100 --> 01:19:06,700
college has voted. 
Donald Trump, is the president 

1423
01:19:06,700 --> 01:19:10,200
elect. 
Mike Flynn, three-star, General,

1424
01:19:10,300 --> 01:19:13,800
former Chief of Dia by all 
accounts. 

1425
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,500
An American Patriot is his 
elbow. 

1426
01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:19,200
He is a kook and horrible on 
Iran and all kinds of other 

1427
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:20,900
things. 
But anyway, he tried to blame 

1428
01:19:20,900 --> 01:19:22,700
Benghazi on Iran. 
That's what a nut. 

1429
01:19:22,700 --> 01:19:27,200
He is baby way. 
They pretended that he was 

1430
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,700
guilty of this horrible felony, 
as this pretext to investigate 

1431
01:19:30,700 --> 01:19:37,500
him. 
And then when the one FBI office

1432
01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:39,500
wanted to drop. 
And so there's really nothing 

1433
01:19:39,500 --> 01:19:43,400
here, the other FBI office and 
know, we want to continue it. 

1434
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,500
We want to do it more. 
And so, that was when they set 

1435
01:19:45,500 --> 01:19:49,100
up the kill shot and they had 
David Ignatius, right? 

1436
01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:52,700
A essay in the Washington Post 
saying, ooh, Mike Flynn was 

1437
01:19:52,700 --> 01:19:55,700
caught red-handed. 
On this call with the Russian 

1438
01:19:55,700 --> 01:19:58,700
Ambassador and then they use 
that article that they put in 

1439
01:19:58,708 --> 01:20:02,400
the post as a pretext to 
interview him again and then try

1440
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,300
to accuse him of making false 
statements. 

1441
01:20:04,300 --> 01:20:06,800
And we know now that they 
rehearse, it's in all the 

1442
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,400
documents that have been 
released way late in the game 

1443
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,900
that they rehearsed and 
practiced over and over again 

1444
01:20:13,100 --> 01:20:16,400
how to fool him into thinking 
that we're just friends having a

1445
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,900
conversation here and to give 
him, no clue whatsoever. 

1446
01:20:19,900 --> 01:20:22,800
That this is an interrogation 
that we're trying to trap him. 

1447
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,100
And that later were going to say
that, Lied to us. 

1448
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,100
And then, even in the documents 
they wrote he didn't lie to us. 

1449
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,200
He told the truth the whole time
and it was fine. 

1450
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,400
And then they just God damned 
lied and themselves and said 

1451
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,400
that he lied to them and charged
him in line to them. 

1452
01:20:35,500 --> 01:20:37,300
And then every liberal Keith 
Moon. 

1453
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,000
Oh, yeah. 
Well, he plead guilty. 

1454
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:39,800
Yes. 
So what? 

1455
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,900
So two innocent people all damn 
day? 

1456
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:44,300
Why don't you wake up? 
And in this case, we know how 

1457
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:46,900
they extorted him. 
They threatened to put his son 

1458
01:20:46,900 --> 01:20:50,200
in prison and he said, you 
better plead guilty. 

1459
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:54,800
Not just will give you life, 
will put your son in the Pain, 

1460
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,200
if you don't plead guilty and 
that was how they got him to 

1461
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,700
plead guilty to something. 
He was innocent of you see how 

1462
01:20:59,700 --> 01:21:02,200
that works, you know, 
right-wingers and Libertarians 

1463
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:03,700
who are skeptical of these black
lives matter. 

1464
01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:05,500
People. 
They can do that to a three-star

1465
01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:08,200
General. 
They can railroad a three-star 

1466
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,200
General. 
They can sure as hell do it to 

1467
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:11,800
the poorest. 
Blackest members of your 

1468
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,100
community. 
Okay. 

1469
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:17,200
But anyway, Jeff sessions, u.s. 
Senator. 

1470
01:21:17,900 --> 01:21:20,500
Oh he met with Kingsley act. 
He had these conversations with 

1471
01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:24,100
kazak. 
Kazakh is the ambassador and 

1472
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:27,000
where did he meet him? 
He met him in his Senate Office 

1473
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,000
in front of his staff. 
Who's a staff of they're all 

1474
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,100
retired army officers. 
Yeah. 

1475
01:21:31,100 --> 01:21:34,600
I'm sure these guys all 
committed high treason with the 

1476
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:39,700
Russian Ambassador together. 
It's absolutely impossible on 

1477
01:21:39,700 --> 01:21:44,600
its face right. 
Then he should Okay, hands with 

1478
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,000
a matter of speech, and it's on 
tape. 

1479
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,900
Hi, how you doing? 
Yes, I'm more high treason 

1480
01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:52,000
there, and they just blew all of
that up. 

1481
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:58,100
Then you have the, the Trump 
Tower meeting, where the people 

1482
01:21:58,100 --> 01:22:00,700
who went there. 
They enticed Trump jr. 

1483
01:22:00,700 --> 01:22:03,100
By saying, hey, we have some 
secret Intelligence on Hillary 

1484
01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:05,300
and he went there, but they 
didn't have anything. 

1485
01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:07,100
And they weren't Intelligence 
Officers and they had no 

1486
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:08,400
intelligence officer 
connections. 

1487
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,500
They had nothing and the whole 
meeting was a completely stupid 

1488
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:12,300
bus. 
And then guess what? 

1489
01:22:12,300 --> 01:22:16,500
It turns out that the guy Who 
set up steel to write the phony,

1490
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:19,500
steel dossier, accusing Donald 
Trump of all these things and 

1491
01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:22,200
being compromised with the 
Russians and accusing page, and 

1492
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,600
all these things blend Simpson. 
He was the one who sent the lady

1493
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,100
to lie to these guys that she 
had some dirt on Hillary in the 

1494
01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:30,800
first place. 
The whole thing was a setup. 

1495
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,300
The Trump Tower meeting itself 
was a setup, even though it 

1496
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:34,800
never went anywhere, didn't mean
anything. 

1497
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,400
Anyway, and then you have the 
steel dossier that accused Trump

1498
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,900
of being compromised, since 
2013, when the Russians secretly

1499
01:22:41,900 --> 01:22:46,600
taped him hiring hookers. 
EP on a bed that Obama had slept

1500
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,700
in when he was there, which is a
total hoax. 

1501
01:22:48,700 --> 01:22:52,500
We know that every single bit of
the steel report, was a lie. 

1502
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:54,600
Everything that's not open 
everything in them. 

1503
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,000
That's true, was open source, 
reported in the newspapers 

1504
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,100
before they put it in there. 
And everything else in there is 

1505
01:23:01,100 --> 01:23:03,500
not true. 
Every single other thing in 

1506
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:07,200
there was not true and it said 
that the Trump team led by his 

1507
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,800
lawyer had worked with the 
Russians on setting up all the 

1508
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,500
Facebook ad Intervention, which 
it turned out in amounted to 

1509
01:23:12,500 --> 01:23:15,400
nothing you talk about 10,000. 
In a sea of literally, a 

1510
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:22,400
trillion, political Facebook 
ads, during that era, and where 

1511
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,400
the troll farm that was doing. 
It had no real connections to 

1512
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,000
Russian intelligence. 
There's every reasonably fact, 

1513
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,900
most of the ads, a vast majority
ads happen after the election. 

1514
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,400
It was all just clickbait. 
They'll just crack the girl over

1515
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:34,900
there. 
Trying to destabilize the 

1516
01:23:34,900 --> 01:23:37,300
society. 
That's your default answer 

1517
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:39,600
because you can't say they were 
trying to support Trump because 

1518
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,600
it was after the election. 
And he can't say they're trying 

1519
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,500
to support Trump because they 
had a bunch of pro-hillary 

1520
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:45,200
stuff, too. 
To and can't say they were 

1521
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,700
trying to support Trump because 
a lot of this stuff had nothing 

1522
01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:51,700
to do with politics at all. 
It was just click bait. 

1523
01:23:51,700 --> 01:23:54,100
It's a troll Farm. 
That's all it is. 

1524
01:23:54,100 --> 01:23:56,400
Same thing for the whole 
epidemic of fake news. 

1525
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:00,000
Oh, the Russian fake news. 
No, it was Macedonian fake news.

1526
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,800
It was one town in Macedonia, 
and there are some Americans 

1527
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,400
doing this to, but the big one 
was a town of Macedonia were all

1528
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,700
these teenagers figured out that
was some cheap HTML. 

1529
01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:11,600
You can create a fake American 
newspaper and then give them a 

1530
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,700
headline like Pope endorses 
Trump. 

1531
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,100
And 10,000 stupid old baby 
boomers. 

1532
01:24:16,100 --> 01:24:19,400
Will click on the Facebook link 
to your fake news, and you make 

1533
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,400
a bunch of money. 
And that was, it had nothing to 

1534
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,300
do with Russian intelligence 
whatsoever. 

1535
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:26,600
Whole thing was completely fake.
And so, none of the steel report

1536
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:29,000
was true. 
None of the hacking of the DNC 

1537
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,000
stuff has ever been proved and 
is probably not true at all. 

1538
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:36,500
None of the Trump campaigns 
relations, and meetings and 

1539
01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:39,900
talking with the Russians, even 
though negotiations over the 

1540
01:24:39,900 --> 01:24:42,200
Trump Tower, his lawyer is what 
he did. 

1541
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:46,200
He went to creme. 
Lynn dot-gov or whatever it is 

1542
01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:49,100
and filled out their web form 
email. 

1543
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:50,400
Hey, can I talk with somebody 
about this? 

1544
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,600
Trump Tower deal, please and 
then they answered it back. 

1545
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:57,200
No, and how was it and the whole
mother report explains all this 

1546
01:24:57,300 --> 01:25:00,000
that they are batting zero. 
It's just like the case for war 

1547
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,300
against Iraq. 
In 2002. 

1548
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,800
They got 15 major points. 
All of them are lies. 

1549
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,800
None of it adds up 15 times. 0 
is 0. 

1550
01:25:08,900 --> 01:25:10,800
It's the same thing here with 
Russia gate. 

1551
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,000
There is nothing to it there. 
Never was. 

1552
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:19,300
The whole thing's a damn lie. 
Well, Scott, thank you so much 

1553
01:25:19,300 --> 01:25:20,700
for your time. 
I recommend everyone. 

1554
01:25:20,700 --> 01:25:23,600
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1555
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,000
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1556
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,700
and chapter one. 
I just want to finish my final 

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01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:34,300
quote here on the Russia Gate 
scandal, we had about 70 million

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01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:37,800
people watching the third 
presidential debate in 2016 

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01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:42,100
where Hillary Clinton said 17 
intelligence agencies have all 

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01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:45,000
confirmed, Russia hacked. 
Our emails. 

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01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:49,100
However, a year later June 29th.
2017. 

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01:25:49,100 --> 01:25:51,100
Here is the New York Times a 
White House. 

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01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:53,200
Memo article on Monday. 
About President Trump's 

1564
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,500
deflections and denials about 
Russia, referred to in correctly

1565
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,500
to the source of an intelligence
assessment. 

1566
01:25:58,500 --> 01:26:02,100
That said, Russia orchestrated 
hacking attacks, during last 

1567
01:26:02,100 --> 01:26:05,800
year's presidential election. 
The assessment was made by for 

1568
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,500
intelligence agencies, the 
office of Director of National 

1569
01:26:08,500 --> 01:26:10,800
Intelligence. 
The Central Intelligence Agency,

1570
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,600
the Federal Bureau of 
Investigation and the National 

1571
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,200
Security. 
Matias agency. 

1572
01:26:15,500 --> 01:26:19,800
The assessment was not approved 
by all 17 organizations in the 

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01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,700
intelligence Community. 
They throw a lie at you. 

1574
01:26:22,700 --> 01:26:25,300
Make it really big quietly along
time. 

1575
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,600
Later. 
They tell you sorry about that. 

1576
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,800
That wasn't true. 
Thank you for watching Keith, 

1577
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,300
and I don't tread on anyone, 
check out Fool's errand, time to

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01:26:32,300 --> 01:26:33,800
end the war in Afghanistan. 
Scott. 

1579
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,100
Thank you so much for your time,
sir. 

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01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:36,800
Thanks again, Keith great to 
talk to you about.