We don't oppose the state's Wars because they'll be
counterproductive or overextend the states forces.
We oppose them because mass murder based on lies can never
be morally. Acceptable.
Welcome to Keith's night. Don't tread on anyone today.
I have Scott Horton, the author of enough already.
Time to end the war on. Terrorism Scott.
Thank you for your time, man. Thank you, Keith for having me
buddy. The link to purchase.
The book will be in the description below.
Scott. I'm curious.
What is wrong? With United States fighting a
war against terrorism, a murderous tactic responsible for
an estimated twenty one thousand deaths annually.
According to our world in data. Yeah.
Well, I mean look, terrorism by its dictionary.
Definition is absolutely horrible.
I mean, it means the murdered the real definition of it.
And it's, you know, vastly overused and abuse, the real
term means violence deliberately inflicted against innocent
civilians in Order to provoke a political reaction of one kind
or the other, right? So by definition it's the most
heinous premeditated crime of murder, you know.
At there's no argument around that.
So that's what it means, you know, well virtually always
right the bosk, separatist set off a bomb next to a concrete
wall that they found in an hour before what, you know, to kind
of make a point but not really hurt anyone.
So there is some like very low Oh level type terrorism like
that, but almost always it means, you know, inflicting you
no pain or death on innocent people.
So, you know, absolutely, it's a problem in the world.
But the problem with our war on terrorism, of course, is it's
begging the question and I don't mean raising the question.
I mean it's in the the turn, the logical fallacy sends, its
assuming the conclusion that fighting against terrorism will
destroy terrorism. When in fact or Even more to the
point that hiring the US national government to fight
terrorism for us will weaken and Destroy terrorism on our behalf.
And that's just a huge mistake. It's just not true.
The reality is, as I explained in the book, The USA started it,
our government started it, their policy of domination of the
Middle East. They provoked terrorism as a
consequence, a side effect of the policy.
And once the terrorism comes, then they say well now, We have
a war on terrorism and they claim that their policy
dominance in the Middle East is to fight terrorism.
When in fact, the policy of dominance came first and is the
direct cause of it. And frankly, you know, this is
just not a controversial point. This is having to remember that.
That was what Noam Chomsky said, when Ron Paul stomped Rudy
Giuliani in the Republican primary debate in May of 2007,
when Ron Paul explained blow. Eck and how we've been bombing
Iraq for 10 years from bases, in Saudi Arabia, and that's why
they attacked us. And then somebody interviewed
Noam Chomsky and said, well, what do you think about this
Republican Congressman saying this?
And he said, well, I'm sorry, but that's just a completely
uncontroversial Point. That's just a fact, like the
sky's Blue, Man. Everybody knows that no serious
academic disputes that no one who's ever read a word of what
Osama Bin Laden. And Ayman al-zawahiri wrote and
said about what they were doing and why they were doing it would
dispute that. Everybody knows that.
Except the people who don't know anything about it, and received
the lies of their government that they hate us as George w--.
Bush? Really did say this.
They hate our freedom. They hate us because we're free.
That was the quote. They hate us because we are
free. That's what it is that they
can't stand. Well, come on, that's just
stupid. And but what he's really saying
is, nevermind the past. It doesn't matter, even what
Bill Clinton had done, right? Like if George Bush had been
honest, man. He could have said, listen Bill
Clinton's policies continuing on the ones that he picked up from
my father, George h.w. Bush.
Those policies had consequences and now yes, we're going to hunt
down the guys who organized this attack on our city and we're
going to murder the hell out of them or even better yet capture
them and try them and then, you know Murder them in the gas
chamber with a needle after being convicted in a court of
law, as according to the law of our land for the crime that they
have committed, but we're not going to sit here.
Come on. You can't pretend that the 1990s
never happened. You can't pretend that September
11th is First day of the history of the United States and but,
you know, when Ron Paul talked, about blowback with Giuliani
one, part of it that he didn't mention is the cia's definition
of blowback is not just consequences, its consequences
of secret foreign policies. So that when the consequences
come do the American people don't have a rational
explanation for what's happening.
And September 11th obviously is a huge example of that.
But if you rewind a few steps to how come we had to have our
bases in Saudi Arabia, in the First place, it was to contain a
rack and ran we had to contain a ran because of their massive, of
course, Infamous shiite-led revolution in 1979 and the
installation of the Ayatollah Khomeini and the burning of the
American flag and the accusation that we are, the great Satan,
The Taking of our hostages at the embassy, Jimmy Carter's
disgrace and removal from office by the American people for his
inability, to stand up to the situation.
At our Center. All of that was the direct
consequence of a secret CIA coup d'etat policy that took place in
1953. So 26 years later when the
revolution came and they said, you're the great, Satan, the
American people. So what have we ever do to you?
Obviously, their problem is that they're Shiites.
Their problem, is that there are rain Ian's.
The problem is that they're Muslims.
That problem is that they hate Christians.
They hate white people. They hate Jews.
Jews. They hate innocence and they are
the aggressors. Because the Ted Koppel founded
the show, Nightline to cover the hostage crisis, all the way
through for months on end. And if it ever came up, it very
rarely came up and it was never the point that we all accept and
understand that this is the consequence of Ike, Eisenhower
and Allen Dulles has policy of overthrowing the democratically
elected government of Iran in 1953.
When they were not leaning pro-soviet.
They just wanted more any really of the British as profits that
they got from selling their oil and for daring to stand up to
the British. The Americans took advantage of
the situation and overthrew that government.
So that's blowback consequences from Secret foreign policies.
So why we get attacked on September 11th, well and occupy
Saudi Arabia to help contain Iran.
After we had back Saddam in Iraq for eight years and his War to
contain Iran. After that was over, then we
attacked Iraq. Iraq and a dispute with Kuwait
over War debts. Oops.
And so now, since Iraq was too weak to contain Iran.
We had to stay in Saudi to contain them both which is why
Bin Laden hired, those Egyptians to fly those planes into those
towers and kill those people. And that's how we got here.
Right? That is the deal.
Jimmy, Carter, Ronald Reagan, h.w., Bush, Bill Clinton.
They created this group of enemies.
I left out the part, which everybody knows Carter, and
Reagan. Back the mujahideen in
Afghanistan in the The up, create this movement, then they
stab them in the back, provoke them to turn against us and then
they did nothing to protect the American people from their
violence. And when they come and hit us,
they say, aw, geez, now is the first day in the universe.
They only hate you because of how much you love your mom.
And so now we have no choice but to wage a total war against as
you put it, a tactic. And which means in other words,
you know, like pulling the wool over your eyes, trying to
obfuscate who it is, that we're fighting George w--.
Bush on September 11th, didn't use the word out kada.
So we're going to war against Terror.
He gave a speech to Congress. What?
89 days later where he named it? The American global war on
terrorism. I forgot if you use Global or
not, but anyway, the war on terror.
It was never defined as the war against al Qaeda.
A group of men, who can be found who exists in time and space and
can be held to account for the thing that they did.
Nope. This was their opportunity to
say, you know, who attacked us them over there.
As Dick Cheney, put Iraq is sort of the geographical center base
of, where this type of radicalism comes.
Um-huh, Iraq is well, sure. Like, if you zoom all the way
out to like, from looking at Earth from the Moon and you're
saying, yeah, it's somewhere right around there Arabia,
Mesopotamia. The Middle East as opposed to
say China Siberia, South America, right?
Yeah, that sort of kind of relatively geographical sort of
Center, and he knows that your Uncle Bob doesn't know the
difference between Saudi and Egypt and Iraq over there.
Which one is which on the map? What what shape?
They might even take on the map or what difference does it make?
It's them a rabs over there that Muslims over there they started
it and now we got to finish it and then that becomes a blank
check. Of course for the for the, As I
said, the original policy of dominance to, you know, double
and triple down. And then of course the story is
that as its played out over the last 20 years, that our
government doesn't really give a damn about Arcade and Tourism at
all. Not only is it not a war against
them? Although I mean with a couple of
small exceptions. It's been a war against them but
it's almost entirely a war against secular regimes Abdullah
Saleh in Yemen Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, Saddam Hussein in Iraq
and half regime change against Bashar al-assad in Syria and
these and boy, they've sure threatened regime change against
the Shiite authorities in Iran, which is exactly what Osama Bin
Laden would have loved to. He can, you imagine Persia
thrown into chaos and the Shiite government.
They were overthrown. And in fact, Bin Laden wasn't as
partisan against the Shiites as Abu musab al-zarqawi, and some
of the others. But still turning Persia into a
boiling cauldron of sectarian War where the most radical
right-wing Bin Laden night, Sunni types, have that entire
area to grow in strength, and, and influence, absolutely on
their wish list. And so, So as I write in the
book, America has accomplished far more of al-qaeda's mission
than they could have ever dreamed of accomplishing on
their own. And it and see people accuse me.
Sometimes Keith of saying that poor Bush was fooled.
If only wasn't a dummy, he meant well, but they tricked him into
overreacting. Now, that's not what I said.
And what I try to make very clear, is that Bin Laden being
the cynic and the crafty politician that he was.
He knew that his goal and Our goal as he said in the first
place before the fact was to give the American government a
crisis to exploit, he knew that they wouldn't just come after
him. He knew they would go to war
against Afghanistan and that was what he was trying to do.
Was get us to replicate the Soviets Folly of the Afghan war
of the 1980s. And so he would have never
dreamed. I don't think that we'd go after
the Socialist Infidel Saddam Hussein.
Shane as Osama Bin Laden called him or any of this other stuff.
And at this point, if they were really fighting directly for
Al-Qaeda, all along. I'm sort of like a reverse
truth. It right.
Instead of the al-Qaeda works for the CIA America's been at Al
qaeda's beckon call this whole time, fighting this war for them
and and there's really nothing more we could do for them at
this point other than put Ayman al-zawahiri on the throne in
Cairo or you know outright overthrow the kingdom in Saudi
Arabia and install the religious.
In charge, in Saudi Arabia, like those two things would be the
absolute ultimate, you know, mate and Checkmate of this whole
thing, but we've done everything.
But that you've done, everything short of that so far in the war
supposedly against these terrorists key.
Sorry for the long answer, but that's the answer.
That's the depth of that, that we're going for.
So we actually are able to trace a lot of Bin Laden's, own words,
back to around 1995, with his first letter, to King four.
Odd in Saudi Arabia. What can we learn from looking
at? The actual words, speeches,
documents fatwas and interviews of Bin Laden.
Do we see that? They hate us?
Because we are not, we have not embraced Islam or for other
reasons. Yeah.
No, it's all about the policy. He's absolute and and you can
read. As you said his letter to King
fahd, you can read his declaration of war.
These are all first person is declaration of war.
Against the Americans occupying, the land of the two, holy
places. That's the title of the damned
thing. Keith.
Okay. I know, you know, but that's not
very subtle when it comes down to it.
And of course, in 1998, was the declaration of war against Jews
and Crusaders, which is almost a carbon copy of the 1996,
declaration of war and it's all about the policy.
And you can also read his interviews with Robert Fisk and
his interviews with John. Or from ABC News Peter Bergen
and Peter Arnett separately from CNN.
And oh, and you absolutely, I know you'll love this.
The secret history of Al Qaeda by Abdul Bari at one, and he is
the editor and the publisher of the British Journal, alquds all
our be and he interview Bin Laden for three days.
Wrote all about it in the guardian and then wrote this
whole book about it and man. It's just as clear as anything
else in the world, man, you know, if they Eat this.
It's sort of like with banking, right?
You know what Keith? You're no mathematician, your no
billionaires son. You didn't go to Harvard
Business School. Just leave this stuff to The
Experts, man. It's a bit too complicated for
you to grasp like right away. You smell a rat right there,
trying to make this where, you know, this is just leave it to
the experts will tell you etcetera like that.
They won't just lay it out. Plain as day, if they laid out.
If you lay it out, in plain English.
It's pretty easy to understand. And it's the same thing with Bin
Laden and all of his Things in all of his interviews and
everything. He said in all of the years
leading up to the September 11th attack and all of his speeches
and statements afterwards is that they were, you know,
motivated, one of the things here's like, I guess this is
sort of an anecdote with in this tale is that when Saddam invaded
Kuwait. Osama Bin Laden believed that
the Americans had deliberately tricked him into doing that.
And in fact, you could make that case.
Now, I make the case in the book, that that was not what
happened. It was really more of a failure
to communicate between the American departments, but they
were very much sending mixed and contradictory signals to Saddam
Hussein and the Kuwaiti royalty in a way that really did help to
precipitate that crisis and lead to Hussein's invasion of that
country. Will Bin Laden was call them a
truther about it. He thought that this was all
deliberate that America snared Saddam into the Trap.
So they could put their troops in Saudi Arabia as the excuse to
force him. Well, he volunteered his men.
He was an important leader of the Arab Afghan faction of the
mujahideen and he had essentially inherited the entire
Abdullah azzam Group after the Afghan war there.
And I don't know if he was merging with Egyptian Islamic
Jihad by then or not. I guess not.
I guess I was a little bit later but still he had enough of these
guys and he offered to go to Kuwait and expel the araki's
which there's not a bunch of mountains and caves to hide in
in Kuwait. I don't know if they probably
would have done very well. Well again saddam's Army
honestly, but the king told him. No, and let h.w.
Bush, put a white and Black and Hispanic Christian Army on the
land of the two. Holy places, which, you know,
Mecca and Medina, these are the two holiest sites in Islam.
And, you know, I mean, I think this is important and again,
it's very easy to understand and relate to take a couple of
American, you know, iconic locations like say, for example,
Two point that Benedict Arnold tried to sell out to the British
during the Revolutionary War or the Alamo in San Antonio, where
the texicans were slaughtered by the Mexicans, when they were
trying to steal Texas from them and, and what that, what those
sites mean to the Americans? Imagine now some foreign Nation,
invading Texas and trying to occupy San Antonio and take that
Alamo and see if Three Anglo in this state doesn't take his
rifle and hop in his pickup truck and head that way.
This is simple, as that. There's nothing you could do to
stop. It would be a wave of blood and
lead and violence and screams, right?
Forget it. Same thing with New York.
Think the people in New York. I'm going to allow a foreign
Nation come and SEC West Point or the.
And, and even if the other 50 states wouldn't help or with the
people of New York shoot, whoever it was to death and They
were all dead. The people.
I don't know about New Yorkers. I know Texans.
If they had to would hijack, Saudi planes and crash them into
buildings. If that was what it took to get
them the hell out of our state. If they were occupying our
state, this is no different than that.
And that means, especially if our governor had advised them.
Oh, you want to build a military base in South Texas, so you can
bomb Mexico from it all the time, huh?
And, you know, no, we're just wood.
Absolute would not put up with that.
Well now double that because now imagine if Jesus Christ had been
born in San Antonio. Or in West Point, New York.
And that's not just our Fort that our guys fought for one
time. It's where the super majority of
America's religion came from. And what do you think we would
do? We've killed two million people
over there in response to them. Killing 3,000 of ours.
What would we do, if they were doing to us what we were doing
to them again before? September 11th, not a reaction,
to September 11, but what we were doing to them before
September 11th, Americans would go absolutely insane.
With murderous rage do the same thing.
Put the shoe on the other foot, in Israel and Palestine.
If it was the Palestinian Muslims and Christians, who
rounded up all the Jews and put them in the Gaza Strip and the
West Bank under military occupation.
Shannon, razor wire and regular bombing campaigns.
You think that'd be okay. Now.
Don't worry. We're going to negotiate a
two-state solution, someday, Keith, ya know, obviously.
No, it's the definition of Injustice.
Look at the same thing with picking a fight with Russia and
Eastern Europe. If Ronald Reagan had bankrupted
America, and we lost the Cold War and we lost our NATO
alliance and the Soviet Union had rolled into France and
Germany and West, Germany, France, and Spain and
Netherlands in the rest of the Western Europe and taken it.
And then they expanded their Warsaw Pact.
Military Alliance to Latin America to Mexico.
Started putting tell me if you heard this one before missiles
in Cuba. What do you think the Americans
would do, right. We already have a taste to that
Jack. Kennedy said I will start
fucking nuclear war. Get your missiles out of Cuba.
I'll kill all of us. If you don't get your missiles
out of Cuba. That's virtually a direct quote.
Okay, not exactly. But that was that was the stand
that we absolutely will not accept this that you put nuclear
missiles in Cuba, which, by the way what difference does it
make? If they're in Cuba or anywhere
else? It doesn't.
And by the way, Kennedy had precipitated that crisis when he
put all those medium-range missiles in Turkey in the first
place. So anyway, but it's the same
thing. You put the shoe on the other
foot here. There's no mystery.
Whatsoever. If the Saudi religious
authorities were occupying, our country.
Our right-wing Christian extremists would be the first
ones to Kamikaze planes into their towers until shit change
the other way. And if and if we were so weak
and they were so powerful compared to us that the only
thing we could do would be to bait them into invading the
American South until we could bog them down and bleed them to
bankruptcy and force them out the hard way. 20.
From now. Well, then we do it like that.
Yeah, we never give up, would we?
And you mentioned that that's actually a well-known tactic.
It's not just projection. It's actually a document you
Source by zbigniew Brzezinski, a former National Security adviser
who talks about giving the Soviet Union there Vietnam by
bringing them in deliberately to Afghanistan and and provoking an
invasion there. So this is not just you know,
the first guy to come up with this idea was Bin Laden, this is
generally understood. And by the way to let me, let me
say real quick. Let me say real quick, heat.
If people go to Scott, Horton, dot-org. / fair use, that's
where I keep all the stuff that I poach from others.
And that is, you will find there that PDF files of the documents
that you're talking about. There was a big new presents key
says, to Jimmy Carter National Security advisor.
Now, we have the opportunity of giving the Soviet Union there.
Vietnam War. It's right there.
And then Ronald Reagan doubled down.
I think it was, you know, one of the 166 Department memo in 1983
where he authorized sending Arms to the isi in Pakistan to then
fund the mujahideen. This is, this is not just a
Democrat or Republican thing. This, this is the the Empire's
way of operating. Yep.
And by the way, you know, the to mujahideen, who got the most of
that wealth from the CIA through the pakistanis and the 1980s
were Google Dean hekmatyar. And Connie, Jalal aldin haqqani,
and these two were, the guys who helped are Afghanistan to shreds
and reduce it to such a state of chaos that the Taliban religious
leadership rose up with American Support.
Later in the 90s to marginalize these beasts and try to pacify
the country. They just wanted to build a
pipeline across. It's not that they cared about
the people. But these were some of the
worst. I mean, Mature was known for
skinning people alive. Okay.
This was the guy that got the money from the Americans them
and massoud. Who it turned out was a double
agent working for the KGB, all along.
But then in our current Afghan war, which has been going on for
20 years, Jalal aldin haqqani, and his Network and go between
hekmatyar and his group, his be islami, which he did give it up
in 2016, but for the first 15 years of this war, heck Char and
the Elder haqqani is dead now, but his son, sir hygiene not
sure how to pronounce. It has taken over and they still
are essentially allied with the Afghan Taliban in their
Insurgency against the Kabul government that the u.s.
Is created there. So, you know, even to this day,
we're dealing with the blowback from, you know, in our own
attempted occupation that land fighting the exact same
mujahideen Warlords. That we had back to the 1980s.
Unbelievable. So that we had backed the
Taliban to marginalize because of how horrible they were 25
years ago, under Bill Clinton. So complaint number one from Bin
Laden in his own words, starting in 91, the US had about 5,000
troops stationed. In Saudi Arabia with operation
Southern watch. What was the justification for
having those bases there? Well, so what happened was, you
know, Desert Storm Desert Shield started in 1990 and the actual
war was in January, and February of 1991.
And then the aftermath of that war, George h.w., Bush,
encouraged the Shiites, and the Kurds to rise up against the
minority. Sunni controlled baathist
dictatorship, in Baghdad and Bush.
Put out a statement on Voice of America, encouraging them to
rise up and the Air Force dropped.
Flitz that looked like a recce Dinars, look like money to make
sure people would pick it up. That said, now's your chance
rise up against Saddam Hussein. I'm not sure if they literally
promised support. But that was certainly, the
implication America ruled all of the south of the country.
I didn't mention this in the book.
I wasn't sure if it really fit or not.
I guess I'll ask your opinion about this.
I almost had a sentence in the book that said, as readers may,
remember, from the movie Three Kings.
It's Ice Cube Marky, Mark and George Clooney, are, is a pretty
big Hollywood movie that came out in the 1990s and it takes
place during this time in the aftermath of Iraq, war one, and
it's a gold Heist, right? You may, have you ever seen
this. It's great.
The guy makes Marky Mark. Drink oil.
He goes. What do you Doing here Marky
Mark and Marky, Mark's, like stability, man, you know,
stability. And he prizes mouth open with a
CD and pours oil down his throat.
Here's here's your stability is great.
Anyway, so, yeah, I guess it's a good thing.
I left that out of the book because it's such an old movie
now, people don't remember but if you like, it's a good movie.
Wait wait, so the context of that movie is USA, occupies all
Southern Iraq, Saddam Hussein on his knees.
Signed all of our demands and cried.
Uncle at the End of the war, right?
It was, he was in America's hand and then so Bush, encourage
these people to rise up but then he changed his mind and he let
Saddam Hussein keep his attack helicopters and Slaughter the
people and you know, enough tanks as well.
By the way that M EK mujahideen e called communist terrorist
cult help. Put down that Insurrection for
Saddam as well. Interesting side note there, but
they killed approximately 100,000 people.
Crushing that Insurrection among them.
Shorty supermajority Shiites and the other minority.
The Kurdish sunnis in the north of the country.
And so then Bush I guess it was Thatcher.
Maybe it was John Major by then. I think no still Thatcher and I
forget who was run France at the time and they dropped out pretty
quick. But the three major allies
initially announced this no-fly zone that they would maintain
over Iraq to protect. T', the southern Shiites and the
northern Kurds. So the thing of it is this and
then later in the beginning of the Clinton are they just
announced this whole policy of dual containment that meant
containing Iraq and Iran with or without the pretext of
Oppression of the Shiites, right?
Just you know, whatever we want. We're staying to keep both sides
down since we can't bounce them against each other.
Well now whatever, but the thing is the question is, why do they
betray them? Why did bush Change his mind and
the reason is because the Iranians started, coming across
the border, more to the point. Iranian back Shiite.
Militias started coming across the border from Iran into Iraq.
And when they did that, the Americans realized Bush senior's
Administration realized they were reversing their policy
that, you know, he was vice president during Reagan their
whole policy have been support Saddam Hussein in his war
against the Iranian Shiite revolutionary.
The government there in order to contain that Shiite revolution
in part to prevent it from bleeding into Iraq, Saudi Arabia
and other places in Saudi. It's a small minority but the
Shiites live right on top of where all the oil is.
And so, you know, they're really worried about all that too.
So Bush senior realized they were reversing that policy.
They were now importing the Iranian Revolution into Iraq.
And so, you know, they didn't really control Saddam anymore.
But at least you know, they had them completely Pound, right?
But if they just invited the Iranians into Iraq, they would
be screwed. They'd have to go to war and
Tehran to reverse that. So they called it off and then
they let Saddam Massacre all these people and then that
became the excuse to stay. Which then as I say, got us
attacked on September 11th, fast forward a year and a half, Bush
jr. Uses September 11th as his
excuse to go back to Iraq and he picks up, right?
Where his father left off. And Put those exact same Iraqi
Shiites who are backed by Iran. He puts them in power.
And as we've discussed before, that was the entire nature of
Iraq. War two was, it was America's
War to put Iran's best friends in power.
And they've been regretting it and trying to make up for that
fact with their stupid Pro outright Pro Al-Qaeda policies
ever since especially in Syria and in Yemen, and just to be
clear about what was happening in the 90s in Iraq.
Because Ben Shapiro has described 90s as the u.s.
Having a light footprint in the world.
So you mentioned that the US under Clinton was actually
bombing Iraq, multiple times a week, and had a blockade, which
Bin Laden says caused a million deaths.
You clarify the numbers closer to 300,000 either way.
That's an incredible number. Why was there bombing and
blockading in Iraq before 9/11? Yeah, so that was the policy and
as I provide, you know, plenty of quotes in the book of Bush.
And then, Clinton officials saying that from the beginning,
essentially, that the economic war, against Iraq will not be
lifted until Saddam Hussein is gone.
We'll keep him under blockade, will keep him under embargo, you
know, I hadn't really thought about this in a while Keith, but
you're just for some reason kind of spurred a neuron in me that,
that reminded me of my own perception of those events.
At the time. I was in ninth grade during the
Iraq War One. So I was a pretty badass
political son of a bitch. By the time I was a senior in
high school, maybe even really a junior.
I was pretty wise to a lot of this stuff.
Ronald Reagan's drug dealing, and the corruption in the lies
of the war, that how bad it was, that we'd done that to Iraq and
that kind of thing. I got a real leg up on that, but
I was for the war at the time because I was just 14 and want
to see some explosions, you know, I was absolutely a
sociopath until later in life. I just wanted to see some Cool
shit, blow up and the President says, it's okay.
So I don't want to hear any hippie whining about it.
You know what I mean? If he says it's fine, then it is
yellow ribbons everywhere. We're all on board for this,
right? The I didn't even know.
Honestly. I didn't even know that anyone
had any hippies at all, have even marched on the capital out
of all in Austin and, and protest against the war TV news,
didn't cover it. I didn't even find that out.
Until I just heard people talk about it, maybe more than a year
later, two years later. It hadn't even occurred to me
that there were organized adults.
We're trying to stop the war from happening.
They never told us that and I remember, I'm sorry.
I'm rambling, but I remember the coverage of the blockade and the
Embargo and the sanctions in the whatever in the sort of the the,
you know, how like kind of The New Normal.
Right? I guess they would say now,
right? Like, we're not going back to a
status quo. We're never going to be friends
with this guy. Again.
We call them Hitler way, too many times to bring them back
in, from the cold now, so we have to keep I'm kind of on a
nice and kind of in this Purgatory kind of situation.
I call it warm War because we're bombing them.
It's not exactly just cold war. It's not outright War, but we
got them under this terrible blockade.
But you know, I think I remember at the time until until much
later when when the Scandal was made about Madeleine Albright's
comments about the 500,000, dead children being worth it and you
know, the oil for food and the scandal of the you Officials,
Dennis Halladay, and I'm sorry. The other guy resigning over
this van spotnik sponeck and it kind of became a controversy, a
little bit, you know, later in the 90s man.
Clinton second term, you know, but for for the rest of Bush,
senior and the entire early Bill Clinton, I think the idea they
just never filled in the details man.
They just kind of said that, like, yeah, we have them under
this blockade. They never really said what that
meant. Right?
Like you could have got the idea.
I'm speaking from my own like, very young and kind of look what
I understood to be more or less than narrative as a 10th grader,
is pretty much what the American people thought, at the same time
to, okay. I was plugged into the common
understanding at that time. And it was that like, who cares
was the big deal? No, there wasn't a big deal.
Nobody said there was a big deal.
We have them under block. Ay, there's Something, but
nobody was crying there. If Kathy Kelly voices in the
wilderness was screaming, these poor children are dying.
We couldn't hear her. No one, she wasn't on TV.
I don't know when Kathy Kelly started.
I'm sure it was all along some of these women are just heroic
on this stuff. But but for the general public,
we just didn't know man. We just didn't know.
Embargo is just a word. Keith sanctions is just a word.
What does that mean? They didn't say?
This means that the people in Kurdistan can't get wait.
They're the ones. We're trying to save from
Saddam. Mm.
I thought but they can't buy wheat to eat.
So they're dying. You know, they got when Bush
senior died. They're like, yeah, you
liberated. Iraq, except all the tweets out
of Iraq. Call the mr.
Embargo burn in hell. They weren't thankful that he
had saved them from Saddam Hussein.
What he had done to them was far worse than what Saddam Hussein
had done to them. And the worst that Hussein had
done to them, was when America set them up under Reagan and
under Bush. Got them in trouble with him in
the 80s. They worked a deal to get Iran
to back them against Saddam, and then they left them high and dry
and less Saddam come and get his revenge against the master of
them all. You know, anyway, so we have
sanctions. But so, that's the deal, the
American people. I don't want to say they were
innocent but in a way like, man, they kind of they did, they
never explained. They never said to us, embargo
means. I mean, maybe if you're like a
regular religious reader of the Washington Post, then you could
pick this up, right? But Like if you're Joe air
conditioner, repairman, who cares about this stuff and
watches the news and listens to talk radio and is interested.
Nobody ever told him. He never had a chance to even
know what was going on, you know, and so yeah, they killed
hundreds of thousands of people and the UN report said it was a,
it was actually one person on the UN team skewed.
The numbers really bad by, you know, yeah, every house he
checked had a dead child. Well, thanks a lot.
He screwed up the thing. And they ended up having to
retract that survey. But then as you said or you know
indicated there Richard Garfield from Columbia went back and
recalculate it. No, it wasn't 500,000 dead kids.
It was 300,000 dead kids and which does translate into maybe
another hundred or two or more Dead adults to old people, you
know, people die of easily treatable diseases when they
can't get medicine. When they're malnourished and
unhealthy, in the first Place, this is satanic fucking evil.
Dude. What America does with these
blockades and sanctions, but sound so clinical right?
Same thing with the drones, Oh see?
It's a surgical strike. The Drone is a scalpel, you
know, the the an economic war against the civilian population
to prevent them from being able to eat and take care of each
other and take to provide medicine for the members of
their family in To terrorize them in order to force them to
make a change in their regime. They don't ever say that they
call it an embargo. Well, what the fuck is an
embargo, you know or even if you know what that means.
What are the consequences of that?
What does that look like down at the local hospital where the
medicine cabinet is empty, right, but TV won't show you.
So anyway, I'm off on that tangent, but I was one of the
guilty I was 14 so I don't give a shit but But I was one of the
guilty during Iraq war one. I was all for that as a freshman
in high school and I was, and I remember my understanding of the
way that they portrayed it, then was I going to keep him under
these sanctions and whatever until Hussein is gone.
They never really addressed how long that'll take and they never
really addressed what this means for the civilian population of
the country. Again, in the book.
I quote, The Washington Post, where the military makes it
very, very and the Thracians. Make it very, very clear, how
deliberate this all was, but they never really put that on
TV, aside from Lesley Stahl when she went in 1996, when she went
over there and confronted Madeleine Albright about it.
But even then that was just one episode of 60 Minutes.
That didn't mean anything. The only part of that that you
can find anywhere is the clip of Madeleine Albright saying we
think the price is worth it, but you don't really get to see that
episode and at the time, whatever ripple effect it had
amounted to a Few op-eds and a few papers and it was gone, you
know, by like 98 they entry or 96.
They introduced the oil-for-food programme, but the money wasn't
going to the people. It wasn't going to food as they
said. At the time Saddam.
He gangster eyes has all the money spends it all on his
palaces. Well, then do something
different. Then if the food isn't going to
the people and it's only going to the baath party, ruling Elite
will then change the fucking policy to something else.
And meanwhile, you got Young father dies in the tower on 9/11
because of this shit and can't raise his kid now because he's
dead because Bill Clinton thought won't care.
I'll just keep doing whatever George Bush is doing.
Doesn't make a difference to me and it still doesn't you think
Bill Clinton has ever thought for one minute.
Damn, that shit really is my fault.
You know, other than I've heard him say he wishes he'd killed
Bin Laden, but you think any more than W?
Bush? You think that, he internalizes
his responsibility for this shit.
Absolutely. Not nothing's, in one moment.
It's incredible. It's Putin saying.
Anyone who trades with America, we will shoot and until they
violently overthrow. Joe Biden.
We can't even get into side. The capital when we want to, I
can't imagine Iraq. He's who don't have a An
amendment saying you need to, you need to go murder Saddam
Hussein. That's that's more or less.
What you need to rise up. Okay?
Code for shoot him and his top ten generals.
That remember sir. We had the chance ask, remember,
they had their chance. We gave them their chance and
told them to do it, and then stab them in the back, and let
Saddam Hussein machine-gun them all to death.
Okay, that was their chance for Madeleine Albright and Bill
Clinton to pretend that somehow they could starve.
These people into being able to successfully overthrow Saddam in
the middle of the 1990s was absurd and they knew it, they
knew it. And listen.
We're doing the same thing to the syrians, the Iranians and
the amenities right now. It's no different than dropping
an atom bomb on them. It's no more.
Moral than sending the Marine Corps to machine-gun them all to
death. Unbelievable.
And then the third main thing that Bin Laden mentions in his
letter is Khanna. What happened in Cana well in
Kane 1996. And this is part of Israel's
anti-iranian policy, where they were insisting, Bill Clinton had
to do this duel containment against Iran.
Shimon Perez after rabine was killed, Shimon Perez.
He was a ribbing was assassinated by right-wing
Israeli settler, because he wanted a Away parts of the West
Bank, not a real Palestinian state, but that was too much for
this Zionist settler who assassinated him.
So then his I guess defense minister Perez took over and
became prime minister after that.
And one of the first things he did on the new, anti-iran policy
was launched operation Grapes of Wrath in southern Lebanon
against Hezbollah and during. Well, first of all, Mohamed
Atta, the lead September 11th hijacker and really ringleader
of the Hamburg cell of al-Qaeda terrorists, who were the the
pilots of three out of four of the planes that hit us on that
day. He, as soon as operation Grapes
of Wrath broke out. He signed his last will and
testament which was essentially equivalent to.
He was joining the Army. He was deciding that, that is
it. I'm joining up.
I'm going to war over this and I don't mind dying.
That was his deal there. Then it was a couple of days
later, two days later that the Israeli.
I think it was two days later that the Israelis bombed, a
United Nations shelter, that was full of nothing.
But women, and children 108 women and children or 110, think
was 108 women and children. And and, you know, blew them
apart was a artillery shell or whatever.
It was, blew the place, apart, and killed all these people, and
and Bin Laden. His 1996 declaration of war
against the United States goes on and on about Kana.
And not just that in interviews to we talked about it numerous
times about how cause you can see the pictures there, you
know, on the local news and in the Middle East they wouldn't
show you this on Dan Rather or Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw.
But in the Middle East they got to see pictures of the heads of
young babies. The arms and legs of young
babies severed from their bodies from this explosion.
Erosion and Bin Laden said we will never forget.
And nor will we ever forgive that?
And I'm almost certain. This is the one where he said,
how, how is it that you think that your blood is blood but
that our blood is just water. That's not right.
It's like, you know what? I'm pretty sure this guy serious
some he should be worried about this shit, you know, in fact,
you know, John Miller I'll get back to this just a second, but
John Miller said the the former ABC news reporter who
interviewed Bin Laden and later became an FBI agent over it.
He told Peter Bergen who also had interviewed Bin Laden that
when Bin Laden said I'm declaring war against the United
States of America that to himself.
He scoffed and laughed and said yeah you and what army, you
know, it sounded crazy to think that this guy could be a danger
hiding an exile out in Afghanistan and Pakistan with a
couple of hundred mujahideen. What the hell's he gonna do?
Right, but what he did was he inspired this Egyptian?
During student studying in Germany and he and his friend
ramzi binalshibh. And I forget if there were
others with them now or not. I have to go back, but they went
to Afghanistan and they met with Bin Laden's video of them in
Afghanistan with Bin Laden and zawahiri and the group there.
And that was where they were recruited.
And these were guys who because they had Western passports.
It was that much easier for them to get into the United States.
And this was, you know, the core of the September 11th plot in
this country. And, you know, Long ago, I
actually look for this and it's gone.
Now, you know, YouTube is man thinks come and go from there
little channels and whatever, but there was this cool thing
where it was like, this old Jewish guy or I don't know how
old he wasn't. Kind of middle-aged Jewish guy
from Brooklyn Ferry New Yorker, very stereotypical kind of a
character, really funny and gregarious kind of a guy.
And he was talking about how he had come.
He had run into all these buildings seven truthers who
were trying to convince him. That the Had planted all these
bombs in building seven and brought it down and so he had
started looking into that and trying to figure out what had
really happened. And then the conclusion was he
put out this video where he said I figured it out.
Okay, it wasn't that Israel put bombs in the towers.
It was that Israel murdered a bunch of innocent children in
Palestine and in Lebanon and motivated these Egyptians and
Saudis and Lebanese and you many's to hijack this plane or
UAE. I didn't mean say Yemen.
Sorry, uh, Lee citizens to hijack, these planes and crash
them into our buildings. That's what brought down the
towers. Not Israeli demolition, charges
Israeli policies in the Levant war crimes.
Right? Not being a nice little Jewish
boy, minding their own business, murdering women and children
hiding and United Nations shelters.
That's what brought those towers down.
Somebody told Bin Laden that their blood also is blood not
water. And that Ought to take
themselves seriously, and apparently he agreed with them.
And there were two condom massacres where they both the
way. Let me say this.
I'm so sorry. I'm so rude and interrupting you
all the time here, buddy, but let me say for people who don't
know me and don't understand this subject matter, whatever.
This is not a justification for any of this.
Okay. This is just being a grown-up
and being you know factual and and and you know, respecting the
history of what really happened here and what we're really up
against, you know, as Ron Paul said if We think we can just go
around the world and do all this stuff and not have to face
consequences that we do this at our own Peril.
Okay, we have to be understanding about what is
really going on. So if we're going to make, you
know, correct diagnosis, so that we can get the correct
prescription for what is to be done.
And that's all it is. No justification for some sickos
war against my own civilian. Countrymen.
That's not the point. The point is don't pretend that
you Don't understand. Okay, the same way you feel,
when they knocked down our Towers.
That's the same way. They feel when we bomb their
shelter and the Israelis count is us because the money for
those Israeli bombs came right out of our paychecks.
Yeah, but Bin Laden continuously says, I think the term is
American. Zionist Alliance is what I that
term he uses in his 96 writings because he sees them as two
sides of the same coin. Is far as, okay.
So to kind of massacres both un shelter buildings.
Oh, good point. So yes, the second kind of
Massacre is in 2006. 20 years later.
I'm sorry. 10 years later. I'm so old.
I'm out of time here. I'm Doc Brown only without the
hair 2006. Israel invades Southern Lebanon.
What had happened was he Israelis had massacred?
Family in Gaza on the beach, just Ramona wrote about the Gaza
Beach, Party Massacre. And then in response to that
Hezbollah kidnapped, some IDF troops near the border in the
north there with Lebanon. And then the Israelis launched a
war over it. And the Hezbollah.
We're like, Whoa, We we were trying to start a warm hand.
We just wanted to trade a couple of prisoners or something.
You know, it got way out of hand, the Israelis invaded, But
then Hezbollah beat them back. And really humiliated them and
drove them back. This is the summer of end of
July, beginning of August 2006. And I do not remember the
specifics anymore, Keith, whether that was a shelter or
not. You may have that better than I
do at this point, but I do know that there was a massacre.
I'm not sure if it was, I think it was, you know, one artillery
shell or one tank round, or whatever.
It was hit civilians and killed them and it was named, then the
second Kana Massacre was in 06. Sorry, it's just been too long
since I looked into that. I don't remember the details of
that one anymore. It's just another example of how
one of these can go unnoticed. It's amazing.
You read the words of Ron Paul that you mentioned in your book
enough already time to end the war on terrorism.
You quote Ron Paul in the late 90s warning about blowback.
We have Harry Brown on September 12th. 2001 saying let me give
you a quick history lesson or not.
Exactly the isolationist that were.
Sometimes painted as you have to step back and look, this is a
completely insecure regime for spending 730 billion dollars
annually on the military. You'd think no one's ever going
to attack us ever. We spend so much.
But the opposite is true. We spend so much, we provoke
enemies. So it actually is time to end
the war on terrorism. It's not like a well the bigger.
We are the more we save when you kill one.
You create a number of other enemies.
Just to Quickly, quote, Robert Pape and Feldman in 2010,
cutting the fuse, here are three 9/11 hijackers.
So to assist the words of Bin Laden, what is happening in
Muslim countries today. Blatant occupation about which
there is no doubt. There was no Duty more
obligatory after Faith then to repel them.
Second one repelling, the Americans occupying.
The land of the to sanctuaries is the most obligatory of
obligations. Finally, and I say to America,
if it wants its armies and people to be safe than it must
with. Draw all of its forces from the
Muslim lands and depart from all our countries bit of a different
picture than what we get from the Neo cons.
They hate us for our freedom. Yeah, well and lesson it's the
same thing for the letters that ramzi Yousef wrote to the New
York newspapers and he said at his trial after the for the
First World Trade Center bombing in 1993.
It's exactly what you know, all indications from all the
different September 11th, hijackers, of course, and You
know, there's just study after study by the CIA by the Pentagon
by, you know, the MI6 and MI5 over in Britain of the FBI.
As long as we're at it, where they all agree, that this is the
case, even in the September 11th, hearings, the FBI agent.
There's an FBI agent who he was asked about motive.
It's funny, they say, what's the motive behind this thing?
Anyway, when we ever do to them, you got to think.
That and every one of the table is like shit.
I'm not answering that and it goes kind of back and forth this
that and then find the FBI since, you know, I think they
identify with the situation in Palestine and, and they perceive
the United States as being behind that and they sympathize
with that and seek to avenge the situation there.
As like, he's just a cop, man. This is just Joe Friday facts,
man. I'm just saying, you know, he
doesn't have an opinion about this shit.
He's just saying that, well, you know, when we investigate It all
they talk about is how mad they are about what Israel does in
Palestine. And you know, I get this to
right, like if somebody's mom is watching this.
She's may be lost. And it's fair like what do you
mean that these Egyptians attacked the United States
because of what Israel did in Lebanon?
It's like I'm lost. Where's Lebanon anyway, right?
I don't know. But the thing is like, yeah.
No, that's the deal. That's what it is.
America gives Israel, three, four billion dollars a year and
in military aid and in all the Diplomatic support they could
ever need. And there's this narrative that
poor little Israel's just defending itself from their
neighbors, but that's just not true.
They are the regional hegeman. They are the nuclear hegeman of
the region and are the military. The conventional military
hegeman of the region by FR. And in fact, right now they
could take on Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt in one
war right now, and beat all of them in a week or two, and
there's no question about it. Not even to no question about
that the strength that the Israelis have.
This is not about the minding their own business.
This is about them getting away with bloody murder at the
expense of innocent civilian, populations.
Particularly, of course the Palestinians, but yes, you know,
back then. Especially from, you know, 1982
through 2000, Lebanon, as well. They occupy Lebanon for right
around 20 years and you know, give or take they would move
back and forth sometimes but well, yeah, it's a little
counterintuitive. You see small Israel and then
this whole big Middle East you're like, oh stop complaining
about Israel, but you then realize how power actually
works. It's like how is it that a few
congressmen 530 of them control, 300 million Americans?
Ins. And then you can read the words
of Mossad agent. Ellie Cohen saying, you know, it
turns out the way we don't, the reason Syria doesn't just blow
away. Tiny Israel is because Israel
has World public support. So it's not just looking at the
size and saying, well, you can't blame that tiny little Nation
for up for everything else. That's just not.
Not the way, it is. I'd really like, for example,
New Jersey could destroy all of North Africa, right?
It made me think. New Jersey, they crank out
battleships weekly if they have to think New Jersey doesn't have
the ability to destroy, you know, huge parts of the planet.
It's all about capital and how its invested man and not the
size of the of the nation itself.
Well, it's just like Bin Laden says, I think it's in his letter
to fahd in 1995 where he talks about Egypt and Yemen.
And Jordan as these Muslim brother nations in the same way.
You would talk about Florida, Nebraska, Hawaii.
E and New York and Washington. It's like these are places that
are so different in culture and region but they have this sort
of, you know, Collective identity.
So to hit New York is to get someone in Texas.
A guy who hates New Yorkers to just say, oh I'll die.
I'll sign up. I'll get my legs blown off by an
IED. I'm signing up and I'm glad you
brought that up because after the first World Trade Center
attack, when six people were killed, you couldn't have got
Texans to go to war over. At Texas, didn't care about six,
New Yorkers dying. Sorry, but they didn't, you
know, I talked to him. I was a cab driver.
I met, 50,000 of them in a row later.
They were not interested in that, but you knocked down a
couple of towers and kill, especially what we thought might
have been 20,000 right away, you know, in the, in the first
estimates there, boy. They're lucky, wind is really,
they're lucky that that nuclear bombs didn't start getting
dropped over there, you know, for at least if it had been the
people, Of this state in charge that is what would have
happened. You know, right?
So we got the motives and up to 9/11.
Let's talk about September 12. 2001, Madeleine Albright spoke
with Ana kasparian, Madeleine Albright said, this is a former
United Nations US. Secretary to the UN that was her
title. It was she was Secretary of
State after that. Yeah, first ambassador to the UN
Secretary of State, then secretary of state.
So Ana kasparian was asking her about foreign policy matter.
Albright says, I personally, when we went into Afghanistan
one, could understand that. Because that was after 9/11, and
that's where the murderers had been placed.
And then she just moves on get into that mindset.
We Al Qaeda is based in the Hindu Kush mountains or that
area with Bin Laden. So invading Afghanistan and
going in there to start at 20 years.
War was therefore Justified maybe not everything since then,
but at the time we had to go, how do you respond?
Well, look, I make the case in my first book Fool's errand that
and this is just a fact that the Taliban were willing to
negotiate the Americans, you know, said they're just biding
for time and stuff like that. I don't think that that was
true. And in fact, Milton Bearden, who
was the most experienced CIA officer in Afghanistan, going
back to the 1980s who helped run the war in the 1980s there.
Said that, that just wasn't true.
They absolutely were willing to negotiate with us.
All they wanted, was a little bit of proof and I think you and
I have talked about this on the show before Keith, but in in
Afghanistan, especially among the pashtun population, there
they have What's called the pashtunwali code, which is their
tribal honor code, and it's taken as seriously as an honor
code in Japan or anywhere that has something, you know,
extremely serious like that. We have real good handshakes
here in Texas, but it's not quite as Extreme as all of this.
If they have a custom that and I think it's like actually this
isn't just a cliche like you're supposed to turn over your own
daughter before you turn over a guest seeking refuge in your
home, you know, you don't ever do that and it's these are
badlands, right? These Customs come from living
and very, very harsh places. And this these Customs go back.
Thousands of years. You can just don't give up
someone who you're protecting. You know, anybody can relate to
that, right? I'm just saying that's their,
that's their belief system to the nth degree.
Okay, on the other hand though. Mullah Omar, the leader of the
Taliban hated, Osama Bin Laden. Sorry guts and wanted rid of
them. All.
He wanted was to save a little bit of face.
Tell you what? Just show me some evidence that
he did it, which they had plenty.
They knew there was an attack coming.
All damn summer long. It's not like they couldn't
track these guys from, you know, who they were.
I were to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Bin Laden and whatever they
could put all that out in a week.
Colon Powell went on Meet. The Press and said yes, we're
working on a dossier right now. We have evidence.
We have plenty of evidence. You know, we'll have it ready in
no time that never happened. They never turned over any
evidence and and the Taliban and said, if you give us some
evidence will turn them over to any Muslim country.
Well or any member of the organization of the Muslim
conference, it's called well, which was created by the United
States and Saudi Arabia and the first place Keith.
You know that On. This is the America rules the
world here. The the the Muslim states of the
war. You could turn them over to any
Muslim country. How about Kuwait?
How about United Arab Emirates or Jordan or Malaysia?
You think those countries would not just hand the guy over
without even an extradition hearing it land on the tarmac in
Jordan and then take off for New York, or Virginia for trial for,
you know, arraignment. No problem.
Then all And Al Qaeda, no problem, but they said no
bullshit. No negotiations.
They said well, I'll tell you what, give us evidence and we'll
turn them over to your friends. The pakistanis, Who by that time
Believe Me by September the 12th.
They were firmly in America's pocket or in America's grip.
If you prefer Richard Armitage, the deputy secretary of state
had called new sheriff and said, you are essentially my slave
now, you know, do everything I tell you, or I'm going to reduce
your country to the Stone Age. Do you understand what I mean?
And that means nuclear war, we will destroy your country with
nuclear weapons. If you do not bow down right now
and they said sir. Yes, sir.
Whatever you guys say from the very beginning.
And so he said well, we'll turn him over to them while the
pakistanis ruined that one, which I think is a strong
indication that the CIA, the Americans told them to ruin, it
told them to reject that offer. Then once the bombs started
falling, almost a month, later October the 8th.
They They said, okay. We'll turn him over to any third
country in the world. I guess.
Probably excluding Israel, but any third country in the world?
With no evidence provided whatsoever.
You can have him and all of his men, and Bush said, nope, too
little too late. That's it.
And still pushing change. And this, according to George
Bush in his book decision points.
He said, we gave that offer to mainly expose their Defiance
this. So, this is not like I have a
feeling, there was something going on in the background.
This is generally known. Give me that page number.
I lost that I didn't have that. Yeah, I would Never read that
whole book. I only read the part about he
was mad at the CIA. For debunking his lies about
Iran's nuclear program and bowing and scraping to his Royal
Majesty. King Abdullah over it.
My favorite part is when he's very upset with a Joe Wilson for
making such a big deal over Bush.
Just saying, well, they bought some yellow cake, if from Niger
and then Joe Wilson had to go write an article.
It was only sixteen words in my whole speech, like, that's the
evidence for the existence of wmds in Iraq, and he's very
upset with Joe Wilson and in that book, but but yes, I
actually quoted it when you and I first spoke years ago, but
yes, I will get that for you. Yeah.
Yeah, give me that page number. That sounds like a good one.
But yeah, and then that was the thing.
I now look. So I also say in the book, Keith
I go look man. Like let me let me be fair to my
audience here. You might think that September
11th was so big that I don't know if that is a crime.
Maybe that is an act of War. And maybe these guys don't
deserve trials. Maybe we should just shoot them
to death and maybe if anyone is near them, that's to God.
Damned bad. We're going to drop bombs on
you. Okay, fine, but still, you can
just do that Takeda. I mean, for sake of argument
fine. I'm a fair trial guy.
But anyway, for the sake of argument, fine, but why you got
a carpet bomb the Taliban? Why you gotta lie.
I'm with the Northern Alliance and overthrow the Taliban and
just said of in focusing on Al-Qaeda the guilty, the Arabs
who did it. And, you know, it's in the book
jawbreaker by Gary berntson. The CIA has the second CIA
officer in charge of the war over there that at one point
after the worst started. He's talking with a Taliban
Commander over walkie-talkie and he says, you know, I'll accept
your unconditional surrender now and or maybe the guy calls him
think the Taliban. Contacts him since I want to
surrender, please don't you know, decimate me in all of my
guys. We want to surrender to you and
he says, do you have any Arabs with you?
And the Taliban Commander says, yes, I have 20 Arabs with me and
Gary berntsen says kill them. And then he can hear in the
background rat-tat-tat-tat tat-tat-tat has a Taliban lined
up all their Arabs and murdered them.
Anything else. CIA man says Nope.
Good job and then accepts their surrender.
Okay. That's how important the Taliban
were. I mean, the al-Qaeda guys were
to the Taliban. Not at all.
Right. And it's in bullshit war is over
here on the Shelf here. The Bob Woodward book Bush at
War. From it's the first in this
series of the the Woodward books about w-- Bush and huge portions
of that book are based simply on the transcripts from the
National Security Council. Principals committee meetings
Bush at the head of the table. Cheney's there with him Rumsfeld
wolfowitz George Tenet the whole group Condoleezza.
Rice and: pal in the whole group there and the transcripts of all
of their discussions among themselves.
About what they're doing. There's just gold in the It's
just, I mean, it sucks. Having to read Bob Woodward.
I know, but, you know, some of that stuff is just gold and they
had in there where the CIA and Condoleezza Rice, especially,
we're saying, man. We should do everything we can
to separate. Al-Qaeda from the Taliban.
We should be bombing only Al-Qaeda and never the Taliban
and say, to the Taliban. See, we're only trying to kill
the Arabs and so you ought to cooperate with us instead of
fighting with us, but no Rumsfeld and Bush and especially
Rumsfeld pushed this that look meant lady.
You're trying to define the enemy far too narrowly.
We're trying to launch a war on terrorism here and you're trying
to win it in the first three weeks.
When somebody shut her up, you know, we don't want that.
We want to conflate that Al Qaeda and the Taliban so that we
can kill them all. So that we can keep this war
going. Keep the fear up as long as it
takes to build up our forces in Kuwait for an invasion of Iraq.
That's what it was all about. And so they Didn't have to set
Kabul. They didn't have to back General
dostum. The Communist mass murderer.
Rapist, torturer war criminal, and make him the vice president
of the goddamn country and, and Hamid Karzai.
And his heroin dealer brother while he Khan and all of his
stuff. None of this had to happen, none
of it. And but, and they did it for
only dishonest corrupt reasons right to fool your auntie into
thinking that the enemy out. There is so big that we have to
keep fighting them and fighting and fighting.
Them. When in fact the whole goddamn
thing could have been over by Christmas all of it and they
knew it and they knew it and Gary Bernsen the CIA officer
himself. He's quoted in the book.
Yep, could have been over by Christmas.
Horton is right. And everybody else is wrong.
Sorry. He's a guy who ran the goddamn
War for the first eight weeks of it and they had planned Iraq.
Well, first there was a project for a New American Century
letter in 1998. Trying to get Clinton to go into
Iraq, but Then on 9/11 Rumsfeld writes, a little memo to an
assistant to ask Paul wolfowitz to find evidence things related,
and not to attach Saddam and Iraq to whatever was happening
before, you know, a hood Barack came out saying that we know Bin
Laden is behind this. So in summary war, in
Afghanistan was not necessary. They could have coordinated with
the Taliban, a separate group. From Al Qaeda to go after Al
Qaeda Bin Laden night specifically, right?
And remember, Bill Clinton as I was already rambling earlier in
the interview. Bill Clinton had allied with the
Saudis and the pakistanis to support the talibans rise to
power in Afghanistan. The only sees the capital city
in 1996. This is just five years later.
We're turning on them and betraying them when really
mullah Omar. And listen.
There's a great book about this. Anybody who doubts me, you got
to read while Well, first of all, it's all in Fool's errand,
but you can read this excellent book by these two Dutch
journalist and researchers. It's then Lynn shoten and
strick, then Lynn shoten, and strick, and it's called an
enemy. We created the myth of a Taliban
Al-Qaeda merger in Afghanistan because there never was one
there. Never was mullah Omar hated Bin
Laden as I don't know who coined this phrase, but I love it and I
wish it was mine that a radical becomes a conservative, the
moment. He seizes the capital city,
right, the Taliban one. Now.
They're going to try to get nuked by the USA, you know, try
to get into a war with the super power because some crank from
Saudi Arabia thinks that's what's good for the people of
Afghanistan. And for the new fledgling
regime. Thank you very much.
No, and and Omar had forbidden Bin Laden from making his
provocative statements. Forbidding him from launching
any attacks or authorizing any attacks been stricken.
And Lynn shoten show that when mullah Omar demanded, that Bin
Laden come and give him an oath of Allegiance Bin, Laden sent an
emissary and then gave him the oath.
But it was deniable because it was some other guy.
And then there was a time where they met in.
Mullah Omar's back garden, and mullah Omar.
I think he like left Bin Laden way over there and would only
like come just barely into the back Courtyard to address him
and to like dress him down and tell him that, you know, he had
to knock off all of his bullshit and whatever.
But like wouldn't even in other words wouldn't even Grace Bin
Laden with his presence. Right?
Like came into the same backyard as him to say, hey, enough of
your crap, whatever, and then leave.
But without even like really making it a formal interpersonal
interaction between the two and that there Was like important
body language, right? That was like an important deal
like this, you know, and think about it like this too.
Right. The Taliban are a bunch of
country bumpkins from, you know, way way way back woods man, Bin
Laden's. The son of a billionaire.
He said internationally traveled and cultured and educated man.
His right-hand man. Zawahiri or he was, he's dead.
You know what I mean? Then his white, his right-hand,
man. Zawahiri was a man about town in
Cairo Egypt. He was a prominent, maybe the
most prominent surgeon, or very Prominent surgeon in Egypt.
And you know, these guys as basically like a bunch of New
York Manhattan, you know, snooty types coming to stay with their
country bumpkin cousins out in North Carolina and can't help,
but look down on them and trash-talk them and insult them
and treat them, like the hillbillies that they are,
because that's how rich white people are.
Well, that's what Bin Laden was, right?
He was like a rich Yuppie prick. And so he treated mullah Omar
and his people like crap and they felt that and resented the
hell out of it. And, which means, then that
George w-- Bush and his government were lying their ass
off. They were deliberately.
Remember 2001? Remember how they did this.
They lie right to your dad's face said, Taliban Al-Qaeda,
Taliban Al-Qaeda Taliban, Al Qaeda.
The Taliban attacked us. We got to go and get them.
They knew they were lying. And then they Associated Saddam
with Al-Qaeda. And then which Jeffrey Goldberg
still does by the way, even in his fake article.
I'm so sorry. I started the Iraq War.
So he he's hyperbolic and then says here's all the evidence
half of its blacked out with the document so you can't even read
it and now and now they do it where it's like Iran is the
number one funder of terrorism, terrorism is the war against al
Qaeda. So now Al Is pretty much Iran as
well. This is the trick.
They keep. This is what they did to in.
In Anthony part me. Antony blinken's confirmation
hearings in the Senate. I think it was Rubio.
That said, do you agree that Iran is the world's greatest
State sponsor of terrorism and he says yes, of course.
And like of course, nobody says, oh yeah.
Hey, why don't you give me one example, then?
Huh? You mean like that time that
they threw an Isis guy off the roof.
Oof. Uh-huh.
Is that what you mean? When they defeated the Islamic
State that you built up your treacherous traitor?
Now, there has since the Iraq War has not been front and
center. There have been rumors of the US
government. Actually taking sides with
Al-Qaeda after 9/11. It's one thing.
Well, they were Pals with the mujahideen to overthrow the
Soviets. They assisted them in Bosnia and
Kosovo pre 9/11. Forget about it.
They assisted them in chechnya. Forget about it after 9/11, and
we know who Is we know the danger where I wore with them.
The I have heard about evidence of the u.s.
Siding with Al-Qaeda. Do you have any evidence for
this? Oh, well, yeah, you got the book
in your hands. All right there, man, you know
what happened? Got to that part yet.
I'm sorry, but but yes, so it is, it isn't enough already time
to end the war on terrorism. Please summarize.
There's no obscenely long. A block quote that I hope the
New Yorker, doesn't sue me over of Seymour Hersh from his great
article, the redirection and this is the key to the whole
thing. And anybody wants to understand
what the hell's going on in the Middle East.
This is what you do. You just read that article.
It's funny. I brought that up to her Slater
and he's like, gnats, a bunch of old crap.
Like, no, it's not do. This is a key to everything.
The man himself doesn't even get it.
But I'm just telling you read what he wrote in that thing.
Okay, and it's very easy. And I say this all the time, I
see where people get sick of me saying this all the time, which
is great. That means finally, I'm getting
my point across to somebody. Okay, Bush jr.
Fought Iraq war to for Iran, then he said, oops.
And led by Za, make alleles odd and Elliott Abrams.
He launched, what they call, the redirection policy, which was to
side with the Saudi king to tilt back towards Saudi.
I mean, they never really tilt it away from his body.
They just really screwed up say, listen to Paul wolfowitz and
didn't know what the hell to do. Anyway, they've royally screwed
up. Everything in Iraq, by fighting
it for their strategic adversaries, Iran, so to make up
for that, they Went to tilt back further towards Saudi and their
shock troops Al-Qaeda. And that's the whole thing of it
is that Saudi doesn't really have a land Army that they can
field other than the US Army. So their shock troops are bunch
of al-Qaeda terrorists. And you know, I got all the
evidences in the world about Syria.
We start with Libya. Well, first of all and during W
bush, they started financing the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria and
Liz Cheney, of course took the lead in this When she was
working for w-- bush in the state department in you know,
working on building up opposition groups in Syria and
Egypt. Particularly and in Syria that
meant the Muslim Brotherhood and in Lebanon, they back to group
called fatah al-islam and I forgot the name of the other
one, but they were to Bin Laden. I tore like kind of want to be
small Bin Laden night type groups in Lebanon that they
tried to back against Hezbollah, which I don't think when
anywhere, because Hezbollah has an incredibly powerful.
In southern Lebanon there, they're not subject to some
little stuff like that. But then they also started
backing. This is when they did the
redirection in Iraq, to The Awakening.
They started tilting back toward the sunnis.
They made a deal with the Sunni tribes.
That if you kill the al-Qaeda guys, the worst Al-Qaeda
terrorist types and ceasefire against us, then we'll try to
integrate you into the new, you know, government which never
happened, of course, but that was, you know, the whole
Awakening movement. During the surge in 2007 and 8
there under David Petraeus in Iraq, and then, they also
started backing an array Nyan break off of the Turkish.
Pkk called P. Jack the party for a free life
in Kurdistan in, in Iranian Kurdistan, and I'm not sure what
whatever came of that. I don't think very much.
And then the worst part of this was a group of Bin Laden, lights
in, Southeastern Iran in a region that they With Pakistan
called baluchistan. And this is a heavily Sunni area
and pretty radical area, you know, in terms of religion and
politics, I guess, and they started backing this group
called, jund Allah, their Mark Perry has written.
It was actually see. It was actually Israeli Mossad
posing as CIA officers who carried out that part of it and
supposedly Bush was pissed, but I don't know if that was a
limited. Hang on her.
What? Exactly?
I know that there was a DIY DEA officer in American DEA A
officer who is being used by the CIA as a cut out to deal with
these Jindal guys. And they even had Dan Rather go
over there and interview one of their leaders in like, this
weird kind of PR move. So that was part of that.
And they were real butchers. They, you know, murdered
kidnapped and murdered, and and attacked many different military
Targets in Iran and, including tried to assassinate the
president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in.
I forgot what year. But on this, a Late, Bush years,
2008, I think thing. Anyway, so Obama comes in and
this is the mess. He inherits right.
Is that bush just turned Iraq into an Iranian colonies.
Well, look, I overstay, I shouldn't overstate that.
They didn't put Iran's, you know, wholly-owned agents in
power just to Ron's best friends that they could have possibly
found in the entire country of Iraq to get along with the
Ayatollah has so call that what you Want.
I mean, they're absolutely the Supreme Islamic Council led by
the al-hakim family and they dawa party.
I mean, these were guys who lived in Iran for 30 years from
the time. Jimmy Carter hired Saddam to
invade Iran till the time that George W bush invaded Iraq and
brought them in on his heels. And so, to try to make up for
that, they went to back in the al-Qaeda guys.
And this meant, the first real, big one in the Obama years was
in Libya where The revolution there was started by guys who
were from the Libyan Islamic fighting group, who had gone and
fought under zarqawi in Iraq, were too and they had been
created by Libyan Veterans of the 1980s Afghan war in the
1990s. They were recruited by the
British MI6, to try to kill Qaddafi.
Many of them were living in, Manchester England had Safe
Haven there in the meantime, and then many of them had left.
From England, and especially from Libya from Far, Eastern,
Libya to go and fight in Iraq, war to Against The Americans as
part of what was then called? Al-Qaeda in Iraq under zarqawi.
Well, these are the guys, when they came back to Libya and
started a war, Obama took their side and this is literally, you
know, two months before he killed Osama, and he's taken his
side in North Africa and then, you know, they absolutely
destroyed the country. They created this terrible.
And honestly saw this in the blinking testimony, where you
blame this all on Qaddafi, because Qaddafi didn't build up
a very big bureaucracy in government for anyone to take
over. And so when he was killed the
country just kind of came apart. So, wasn't America's fault for
starting a war and killing the guy.
It was his fault for not having built up a big enough state for
them to seize control over and so instead, there's been
unending civil war in Syria, ever since that time, and
sometimes they We had a great success against Isis insert in
2016. Well, what the hell was Isis in
2011, it was the dormant, almost completely extinct.
Al-Qaeda in Iraq that have been marginalized by.
Those Sunni tribes in the Rocky Awakening.
They were the absolutely like roach end stubbed out done.
What was left, barely breathing of al-Qaeda in Iraq in 2011 and
Obama comes and takes their side and creates this giant War turns
the entire country to chaos. And then I'm skipping ahead
here. But he helped do the same thing
in Syria. That ended up leading to
al-Qaeda in Iraq, then known as the Islamic State in Iraq, and
then later the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, Isis.
That's zarqawi's group aqi from Iraq, war to broke off from
Al-Qaeda, broke off from the Syrian faction of al-Qaeda and
Ayman. Al-zawahri.
Here is a Authority and created the Islamic State in eastern
Syria, in 2013, and then invaded and conquered all the Western
Iraq in 2014. And that was the Islamic State
that these men insert were claiming allegiance to American
made the damn thing and they want to claim that they had one
Victory. Look, there was one time that
Al-Qaeda type guys, seized a city and we bomb the crap out of
them until they were gone. You know, yeah, it's at that.
We're the ones who put them there in the first place.
So, yeah, that doesn't really count.
But anyway, so they, you know, just completely destroyed Libya
and then they send as many jihadists and guns as they
possibly could off to the next war in Syria.
And as I cover in the book, this is how Ambassador Stevens got
killed in Benghazi in 2012. As a CIA, were working with the
qataris to ship. All these Fighters and weapons
off to Syria in the thousands of tons and And then what had
happened was, though, the see the same CIA?
That was back in these terrorists in Libya.
They have the same CIA that was still waging a drone war in
Pakistan. And what they did was they
killed a guy in Pakistan name. Shaykh.
Yahya al-libi. Well, you might remember keep
them sure, you do that Dick Cheney had the CIA torture, a
man named shaky. Banal Libby in order to coerce
him into making up lies, about Saddam Hussein, teaching
Al-Qaeda, how to hijack are Planes and make chemical
weapons. Uh-huh.
Yeah, right. Anyway, once shaky banal Libby.
Once they were done with him. They shipped them back to your
Qaddafi, who gave him the Arkansas side in a prison cell
and got rid of him for us. Right?
But then in 2012 in July of 2012, CIA kills his brother in
Pakistan and then right before September 11, like, early
September. And I'm an Al Saleh here.
He puts out a podcast and he goes, you know, be funny would
be if you guys would kill the Americans that are working with
you there in East Libya to take revenge for my man.
Shaykh Yahya over here, which is exactly what they did because
just like with you know, all along the Americans, take in the
side of these tears. It doesn't buy their loyalty.
It helps them to fight whoever they're in the middle of
fighting of the time. It doesn't make them loyal
American sacher apps right there.
Yeah. When they're not.
And so that was how Stephen Scott killed was, he was
committing high treason and the people who he was fighting for
killed him and and they were involved in an operation to send
weapons to Turkey, which Rand, Paul asked Hillary Clinton
about. And she's, I think she still was
not feeling well, so maybe she had simply forgotten about the
only perjury Keith felony. Perjury, buddy, they sent him to
Turkey, and then from Turkey to Syria.
You have mentioned, I did read the first draft of this book in
there. You mentioned that there's a
Wiki leak email by a guy named Jake Sullivan.
What is important about the Jake Sullivan, wikileak on Syria?
Okay. First of all, this is not a
Wikileaks. It's on Wikileaks.
You can find it there, but they just posted all the emails, but
this was not a leak to them. These were the ones that were
posted by. Released by the state department
under the Freedom of Information Act to Jason Leopold of BuzzFeed
news. So sorry, you know, I had, I had
fun making fun of him for this and he's an old friend of mine.
So I hope you take this in. Good Humor, Jason.
I love you man, but he turned into one of the worst
ridiculous, Russia gate truthers and then I had fun making fun of
him and saying, well, I guess you're a Russian agent to since
you're the one who released the vast majority of the most
important Hillary Clinton emails.
Remember, first of all, there's no reason to even Suspect that
Russia did the DNC or the podesta hack.
That's all a bunch of crap. Okay, but remember that was the
DNC and the podesta emails. There's just a few emails from
Hillary to podesta in there. None of her in the DNC, her
emails that we have that implicate her were released by
the state department and they implicate her severely in the
case of Libya and in Syria, and the email that you're talking
about is Joe. New National Security advisor,
Jake Sullivan, he was her right-hand man, for four years
at State. Her number one, most, reliable
Smithers guy, you know, out of everybody.
And I forget his exact time. He was deputy secretary of state
or what, but he was like her number one, right hand, man.
So this is in early February 2012.
One year into, well, probably nine months into American
support for the revolute and Allied support for the Rebellion
Revolution, breaking out in Syria, and Sullivan sends
Hillary an email that says, as part of it.
He says, on one final note, a queue is on our side in Syria.
And it's just, he's just kind of being cute, right?
Like, he's not saying, whoa, boss.
I don't know man-woman thing. He's saying, hey, look here,
like, this is just kind of funny.
Ironic get it, huh? That Al Qaeda is on our side.
Well, what does that mean? It means we're on.
Okay. Decide.
And what's the story? The story attaches, Reuters
story Ayman al-zawahiri. The Butcher of New York City has
endorsed the revolution in Syria and demands at all.
Good Muslims, go to Syria to fight and kill, Bashar al-assad
and his government. So, now, two weeks later,
February the 27th. 28 think it's the 27th Keith.
She goes on CBS and she's interviewed by guy named Wyatt
and he says to her Hainan. How come we're not doing more to
overthrow Bashar al-assad. That was the narrative, right?
That Obama is reluctant to go far enough.
Well, she was of course, a real Hawk on the issue and spent the
rest of that year, her last year, as his secretary of state,
pushing for more and more and more.
Along these lines as she, you know, later Bragdon.
Boasted, but at this time, she's the secretary of state.
She's the subordinate here and she's being put in a position
where she has to defend Barack Obama's policy of not going
ahead and carpet bombing Damascus, right?
So so what's the deal? Miss Secretary of State?
Mr. Secretary State? Why aren't we doing this?
She says, we'll look here's the thing.
I'm in all the way here. He has endorsed the revolution
in Syria. She's clearly referring to this
email in this story. She got from Jake Sullivan.
Al Qaeda is supporting the revolution in Syria.
Are we supporting al-Qaeda in Syria?
And then she says some Moss, which they didn't really
intervene. They didn't really have anything
to do with it. But she says, Hamas, has
endorsed the revolution in Syria or we supporting Hamas.
Well, they weren't there, but whatever.
But she's saying, look, these are groups that we certainly.
Okay? Do em.
Yeah, and now to be generous, you don't have to be kooky about
this at all. You can be totally as Occam's
razor as possible steel man argument, right?
There's no point in embellishing the story, right?
She was not talking about directly, putting hands into the
guns of terrorists in that moment.
Anyway, Right. She was a rhetorical flourish.
She was saying essentially the same thing that anybody could
say, which is if there's a civil war breaking out and Al-Qaeda is
firmly for one side. Then if we also support that
same side, then there's had the very least a severe risk that we
would be empowering our enemies. Now, we would be doing something
that they would find favorable. Well, okay, let's let's, let's
define it as narrowly as innocently as possible, right?
There's no need to embellish. She's just saying.
Look, man. If Al Qaeda wants a war in
Syria, and we're helping start one and J's, huh?
And then she also says, and this is two days after the friends of
Syria meeting. She goes, you know, when we look
for a bunch of syrians that we could put in power instead.
We don't see that we don't see anyone who could fit the bill to
replace. It's the state of in other
words, if Assad Falls, the baath, party Falls, the baath
state Falls, we'd have to put a whole new state up.
There's nobody to do it with. There's we can't do it.
Well, she went on supporting that policy for the rest of the
year. And, you know, as late as 2016.
She still did in her presidential campaign.
She wanted a no-fly zone over Syria to protect Al-Qaeda from
Russia, so that they can continue the war against Bashar
al-assad. And that's interesting because
Was Biden, said the same thing in Harvard?
We giving a speech he goes. Well, we're always thinking
there's a James Madison or a Thomas Jefferson somewhere.
Unfortunately, we had to side with job at all Nostra in in
Syria to go against Assad and then Rand Paul brings us up to
Marco Rubio. He goes there's no Congressional
authorization to, you know, go overthrow Assad.
However, there is authorization to side with Assad against al
Qaeda in Syria. I'm not saying we should do
that, but Is and he goes Ron, Paul Rand Paul is an
isolationist. That was in a Russian spy.
That's his response to. Let's not fund Al-Qaeda people.
We we waged a war on it. We also have a guy who has been
on your show who I know you have disowned.
Michael Sawyer on CNN saying, you know, what's important?
We reconsider intervening in Libya.
These are people we would call the mujahideen in any sort of
for so let's not side with them, right?
And And yeah, and I do cite that in the book too on Libya and
anybody can type that in just type in Michael Sawyer, CNN,
Libya, 2011, and you'll laugh your ass off.
I mean it's a riot because he is such a humorless bastard, right?
Like the way that he's dealing with them is just hilarious
because they're like these kind of Obama bought women anchors
who don't really know anything about it.
And so they start off the interview Goin wowee.
You're a CIA man. So things that you say are true
and we listen to you and then he starts saying all, He's
reasonable things about why we ought to not be doing this and
they start getting upset with him now like well, but yeah, but
the narrative is supposed to be either.
This is what we want and Obama wouldn't be doing this if it
wasn't the right thing to do, right?
And he eventually gets all mad and goes.
Yeah, you're just carrying water for mr.
Obama, you know what that truth? You just got your little
narrative and they're like, well, we just take offense at
that and whatever it's like ya know.
What is the former Chief of the cia's bin Laden unit know about
Out what wars you ought to not start if you know, what's good
for you? Yeah, we shouldn't listen to
that. You know, and you're right that
I did something because since then he's moved far too.
I wouldn't have seen the rest. He's just gotten crazy.
And it's called for full scale, genocide against all, Muslims,
and Arabs, and God knows was so screw.
You, man. Can sure you can take the man
LSD, man, blow your mind and get, right.
You can take the man out of the CIA.
Can't take the CIA out of the man, sir, and not already time
to And the war on terrorism Scott, best place to buy the
book. It's amazon.com right now in
Kindle and paperback soon enough.
You'll be able to get it from, you know, Kobo and Barnes and
Noble and all those other places and starting this weekend.
I'm going to start recording on the audio book for you guys, but
judging, by last time, that's going to take a while.
It's a lot more difficult to do than I would think anyway, so
it's going to be probably two or three months at the lease before
I get the audio book out, but I'm working.
Hard on it. And let me say real quick, one
more thing about the book, which is, if people read Fool's
errand. I understand that thing really
reads a lot like a PhD thesis and so for people who are really
into it, they're really into it. But for a lot of people, it's
just so many names and dates and places, and things that it makes
it, you know, a pretty difficult read.
But in enough already, I've tried to make it really a lot
easier. It's not full of footnotes.
There's plenty of references in the text, but there's not
numbered footnotes all throughout the Text interrupting
the flow of the read and, you know, it was made to be for you
Keith and for your people to give to their people rest.
I don't want this to be a Libertarian book.
I want to be an American book. I wanted to get out there.
I want to change the minds of liberals and conservatives and
Republicans and Democrats and Town and Country and coast to
coast and everybody. And just the I know, I mean, I'm
not crazy here. It's just a marginal thing.
But if I can have, if this book can have even a marginal place
in the Debate in this country over what we're doing where I
want. I want people to be able to say,
you know, there's this new book that says we can just call this
shit off right now, right? There's this new book that
basically says, you ought to read a it says, yeah, we don't
have to do it like this. It doesn't have to be this way.
It's animal and counterproductive.
I'm sorry. It's evil and counterproductive.
It's not just, we can write and so, you know, I really hope and
I've had people tell me, it's kind of a page Turner.
It's easy to read. It's not so thick like A Fool's
errand kind of a turn-off like Fool's errand.
And so I really hope that people like it.
And I hope that you know, that that they'll agree that this is
the kind of thing that they can pass on to the rest of their own
people to really get the word out, and change the way things
are enough already time to end the war on terrorism.
Thank you for watching Keith Knight.
Don't try it on anyone.