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We don't oppose the state's Wars
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counterproductive or overextend 
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We oppose them because mass 
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be morally. 
Acceptable. 

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Welcome to Keith's night. 
Don't tread on anyone today. 

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I have Scott Horton, the author 
of enough already. 

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Time to end the war on. 
Terrorism Scott. 

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Thank you for your time, man. 
Thank you, Keith for having me 

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buddy. 
The link to purchase. 

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The book will be in the 
description below. 

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Scott. 
I'm curious. 

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What is wrong? 
With United States fighting a 

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war against terrorism, a 
murderous tactic responsible for

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an estimated twenty one thousand
deaths annually. 

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According to our world in data. 
Yeah. 

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Well, I mean look, terrorism by 
its dictionary. 

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Definition is absolutely 
horrible. 

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I mean, it means the murdered 
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And it's, you know, vastly 
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term means violence deliberately
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civilians in Order to provoke a 
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or the other, right? 
So by definition it's the most 

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heinous premeditated crime of 
murder, you know. 

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At there's no argument around 
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So that's what it means, you 
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right the bosk, separatist set 
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wall that they found in an hour 
before what, you know, to kind 

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of make a point but not really 
hurt anyone. 

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So there is some like very low 
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that, but almost always it 
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no pain or death on innocent 
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So, you know, absolutely, it's a
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But the problem with our war on 
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begging the question and I don't
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I mean it's in the the turn, the
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assuming the conclusion that 
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destroy terrorism. 
When in fact or Even more to the

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point that hiring the US 
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terrorism for us will weaken and
Destroy terrorism on our behalf.

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And that's just a huge mistake. 
It's just not true. 

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The reality is, as I explained 
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our government started it, their
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Middle East. 
They provoked terrorism as a 

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consequence, a side effect of 
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And once the terrorism comes, 
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a war on terrorism and they 
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dominance in the Middle East is 
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When in fact, the policy of 
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direct cause of it. 
And frankly, you know, this is 

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just not a controversial point. 
This is having to remember that.

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That was what Noam Chomsky said,
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Giuliani in the Republican 
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when Ron Paul explained blow. 
Eck and how we've been bombing 

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Iraq for 10 years from bases, in
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they attacked us. 
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Noam Chomsky and said, well, 
what do you think about this 

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Republican Congressman saying 
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And he said, well, I'm sorry, 
but that's just a completely 

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uncontroversial Point. 
That's just a fact, like the 

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sky's Blue, Man. 
Everybody knows that no serious 

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academic disputes that no one 
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Osama Bin Laden. 
And Ayman al-zawahiri wrote and 

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said about what they were doing 
and why they were doing it would

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dispute that. 
Everybody knows that. 

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Except the people who don't know
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the lies of their government 
that they hate us as George w--.

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Bush? 
Really did say this. 

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They hate our freedom. 
They hate us because we're free.

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That was the quote. 
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free. 
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can't stand. 
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stupid. 
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is, nevermind the past. 
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Bill Clinton had done, right? 
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honest, man. 
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Clinton's policies continuing on
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my father, George h.w. 
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Those policies had consequences 
and now yes, we're going to hunt

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down the guys who organized this
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going to murder the hell out of 
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them and try them and then, you 
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chamber with a needle after 
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law, as according to the law of 
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have committed, but we're not 
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Come on. 
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never happened. 
You can't pretend that September

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11th is First day of the history
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you know, when Ron Paul talked, 
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of blowback is not just 
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of secret foreign policies. 
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come do the American people 
don't have a rational 

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explanation for what's 
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And September 11th obviously is 
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But if you rewind a few steps to
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bases in Saudi Arabia, in the 
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rack and ran we had to contain a
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course, Infamous shiite-led 
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installation of the Ayatollah 
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American flag and the accusation
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The Taking of our hostages at 
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disgrace and removal from office
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inability, to stand up to the 
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At our Center. 
All of that was the direct 

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consequence of a secret CIA coup
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1953. 
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revolution came and they said, 
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American people. 
So what have we ever do to you? 

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Obviously, their problem is that
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Their problem, is that there are
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The problem is that they're 
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That problem is that they hate 
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They hate white people. 
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Jews. 
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the aggressors. 
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the show, Nightline to cover the
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through for months on end. 
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rarely came up and it was never 
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understand that this is the 
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and Allen Dulles has policy of 
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elected government of Iran in 
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When they were not leaning 
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They just wanted more any really
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they got from selling their oil 
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the British. 
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the situation and overthrew that
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So why we get attacked on 
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Saudi Arabia to help contain 
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After we had back Saddam in Iraq
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contain Iran. 
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attacked Iraq. 
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over War debts. 
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And so now, since Iraq was too 
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Bin Laden hired, those Egyptians
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towers and kill those people. 
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Right? 
That is the deal. 

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Jimmy, Carter, Ronald Reagan, 
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They created this group of 
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I left out the part, which 
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Reagan. 
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Afghanistan in the The up, 
create this movement, then they 

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stab them in the back, provoke 
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they did nothing to protect the 
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violence. 
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they say, aw, geez, now is the 
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They only hate you because of 
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And so now we have no choice but
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you put it, a tactic. 
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you know, like pulling the wool 
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obfuscate who it is, that we're 
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Bush on September 11th, didn't 
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So we're going to war against 
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He gave a speech to Congress. 
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89 days later where he named it?
The American global war on 

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terrorism. 
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not, but anyway, the war on 
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It was never defined as the war 
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A group of men, who can be found
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can be held to account for the 
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Nope. 
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say, you know, who attacked us 
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As Dick Cheney, put Iraq is sort
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of, where this type of 
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Um-huh, Iraq is well, sure. 
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out to like, from looking at 
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saying, yeah, it's somewhere 
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Mesopotamia. 
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say China Siberia, South 
America, right? 

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Yeah, that sort of kind of 
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Center, and he knows that your 
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difference between Saudi and 
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Which one is which on the map? 
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They might even take on the map 
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It's them a rabs over there that
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it and now we got to finish it 
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check. 
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said, the original policy of 
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that as its played out over the 
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government doesn't really give a
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all. 
Not only is it not a war against

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them? 
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small exceptions. 
It's been a war against them but

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it's almost entirely a war 
against secular regimes Abdullah

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Saleh in Yemen Muammar Gaddafi 
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and half regime change against 
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these and boy, they've sure 
threatened regime change against

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the Shiite authorities in Iran, 
which is exactly what Osama Bin 

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Laden would have loved to. 
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thrown into chaos and the Shiite
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They were overthrown. 
And in fact, Bin Laden wasn't as

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partisan against the Shiites as 
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of the others. 
But still turning Persia into a 

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boiling cauldron of sectarian 
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right-wing Bin Laden night, 
Sunni types, have that entire 

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area to grow in strength, and, 
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their wish list. 
And so, So as I write in the 

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book, America has accomplished 
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their own. 
And it and see people accuse me.

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Sometimes Keith of saying that 
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If only wasn't a dummy, he meant
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overreacting. 
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And what I try to make very 
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the cynic and the crafty 
politician that he was. 

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He knew that his goal and Our 
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place before the fact was to 
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crisis to exploit, he knew that 
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him. 
He knew they would go to war 

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against Afghanistan and that was
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Was get us to replicate the 
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of the 1980s. 
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dreamed. 
I don't think that we'd go after

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the Socialist Infidel Saddam 
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Shane as Osama Bin Laden called 
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And at this point, if they were 
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Al-Qaeda, all along. 
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truth. 
It right. 

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Instead of the al-Qaeda works 
for the CIA America's been at Al

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qaeda's beckon call this whole 
time, fighting this war for them

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and and there's really nothing 
more we could do for them at 

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this point other than put Ayman 
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Cairo or you know outright 
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Arabia and install the 
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In charge, in Saudi Arabia, like
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absolute ultimate, you know, 
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supposedly against these 
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Sorry for the long answer, but 
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That's the depth of that, that 
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So we actually are able to trace
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back to around 1995, with his 
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Odd in Saudi Arabia. 
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at? 
The actual words, speeches, 

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documents fatwas and interviews 
of Bin Laden. 

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Do we see that? 
They hate us? 

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Because we are not, we have not 
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reasons. 
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No, it's all about the policy. 
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read. 
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fahd, you can read his 
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These are all first person is 
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Against the Americans occupying,
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places. 
That's the title of the damned 

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thing. 
Keith. 

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very subtle when it comes down 
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and Crusaders, which is almost a
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declaration of war and it's all 
about the policy. 

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And you can also read his 
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his interviews with John. 
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and Peter Arnett separately from
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And oh, and you absolutely, I 
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The secret history of Al Qaeda 
by Abdul Bari at one, and he is 

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the editor and the publisher of 
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our be and he interview Bin 
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Wrote all about it in the 
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whole book about it and man. 
It's just as clear as anything 

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else in the world, man, you 
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It's sort of like with banking, 
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You know what Keith? 
You're no mathematician, your no

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billionaires son. 
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Business School. 
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Experts, man. 
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you to grasp like right away. 
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trying to make this where, you 
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the experts will tell you 
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They won't just lay it out. 
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If you lay it out, in plain 
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It's pretty easy to understand. 
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Laden and all of his Things in 
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everything. 
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leading up to the September 11th
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motivated, one of the things 
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sort of an anecdote with in this
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the Americans had deliberately 
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were very much sending mixed and
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Hussein and the Kuwaiti royalty 
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precipitate that crisis and lead
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country. 
Will Bin Laden was call them a 

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truther about it. 
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deliberate that America snared 
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So they could put their troops 
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mujahideen and he had 
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Abdullah azzam Group after the 
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I guess I was a little bit later
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guys and he offered to go to 
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which there's not a bunch of 
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in Kuwait. 
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would have done very well. 
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honestly, but the king told him.
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Bush, put a white and Black and 
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land of the two. 
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Mecca and Medina, these are the 
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it's very easy to understand and
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American, you know, iconic 
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Two point that Benedict Arnold 
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the texicans were slaughtered by
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trying to steal Texas from them 
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sites mean to the Americans? 
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invading Texas and trying to 
occupy San Antonio and take that

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Alamo and see if Three Anglo in 
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rifle and hop in his pickup 
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This is simple, as that. 
There's nothing you could do to 

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stop. 
It would be a wave of blood and 

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lead and violence and screams, 
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Forget it. 
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Think the people in New York. 
I'm going to allow a foreign 

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Nation come and SEC West Point 
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And, and even if the other 50 
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people of New York shoot, 
whoever it was to death and They

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were all dead. 
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I don't know about New Yorkers. 
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If they had to would hijack, 
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buildings. 
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them the hell out of our state. 
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state, this is no different than
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And that means, especially if 
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Oh, you want to build a military
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bomb Mexico from it all the 
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And, you know, no, we're just 
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Absolute would not put up with 
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Well now double that because now
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born in San Antonio. 
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do? 
We've killed two million people 

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over there in response to them. 
Killing 3,000 of ours. 

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What would we do, if they were 
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to them again before? 
September 11th, not a reaction, 

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to September 11, but what we 
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September 11th, Americans would 
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With murderous rage do the same 
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Put the shoe on the other foot, 
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If it was the Palestinian 
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rounded up all the Jews and put 
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West Bank under military 
occupation. 

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Shannon, razor wire and regular 
bombing campaigns. 

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You think that'd be okay. 
Now. 

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Don't worry. 
We're going to negotiate a 

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two-state solution, someday, 
Keith, ya know, obviously. 

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No, it's the definition of 
Injustice. 

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Look at the same thing with 
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Eastern Europe. 
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America, and we lost the Cold 
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alliance and the Soviet Union 
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Germany and West, Germany, 
France, and Spain and 

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Netherlands in the rest of the 
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Military Alliance to Latin 
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Started putting tell me if you 
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in Cuba. 
What do you think the Americans 

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would do, right. 
We already have a taste to that 

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Jack. 
Kennedy said I will start 

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fucking nuclear war. 
Get your missiles out of Cuba. 

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I'll kill all of us. 
If you don't get your missiles 

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out of Cuba. 
That's virtually a direct quote.

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Okay, not exactly. 
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that we absolutely will not 
accept this that you put nuclear

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missiles in Cuba, which, by the 
way what difference does it 

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make? 
If they're in Cuba or anywhere 

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else? 
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And by the way, Kennedy had 
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put all those medium-range 
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place. 
So anyway, but it's the same 

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thing. 
You put the shoe on the other 

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foot here. 
There's no mystery. 

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Whatsoever. 
If the Saudi religious 

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authorities were occupying, our 
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Our right-wing Christian 
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ones to Kamikaze planes into 
their towers until shit change 

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the other way. 
And if and if we were so weak 

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and they were so powerful 
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thing we could do would be to 
bait them into invading the 

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American South until we could 
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bankruptcy and force them out 
the hard way. 20. 

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From now. 
Well, then we do it like that. 

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Yeah, we never give up, would 
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And you mentioned that that's 
actually a well-known tactic. 

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It's not just projection. 
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Source by zbigniew Brzezinski, a
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who talks about giving the 
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bringing them in deliberately to
Afghanistan and and provoking an

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invasion there. 
So this is not just you know, 

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the first guy to come up with 
this idea was Bin Laden, this is

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generally understood. 
And by the way to let me, let me

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say real quick. 
Let me say real quick, heat. 

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If people go to Scott, Horton, 
dot-org. / fair use, that's 

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where I keep all the stuff that 
I poach from others. 

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And that is, you will find there
that PDF files of the documents 

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that you're talking about. 
There was a big new presents key

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says, to Jimmy Carter National 
Security advisor. 

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Now, we have the opportunity of 
giving the Soviet Union there. 

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Vietnam War. 
It's right there. 

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And then Ronald Reagan doubled 
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I think it was, you know, one of
the 166 Department memo in 1983 

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where he authorized sending Arms
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fund the mujahideen. 
This is, this is not just a 

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Democrat or Republican thing. 
This, this is the the Empire's 

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way of operating. 
Yep. 

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And by the way, you know, the to
mujahideen, who got the most of 

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that wealth from the CIA through
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were Google Dean hekmatyar. 
And Connie, Jalal aldin haqqani,

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and these two were, the guys who
helped are Afghanistan to shreds

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and reduce it to such a state of
chaos that the Taliban religious

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leadership rose up with American
Support. 

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Later in the 90s to marginalize 
these beasts and try to pacify 

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the country. 
They just wanted to build a 

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pipeline across. 
It's not that they cared about 

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the people. 
But these were some of the 

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worst. 
I mean, Mature was known for 

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skinning people alive. 
Okay. 

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This was the guy that got the 
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and massoud. 
Who it turned out was a double 

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agent working for the KGB, all 
along. 

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But then in our current Afghan 
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20 years, Jalal aldin haqqani, 
and his Network and go between 

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hekmatyar and his group, his be 
islami, which he did give it up 

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in 2016, but for the first 15 
years of this war, heck Char and

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the Elder haqqani is dead now, 
but his son, sir hygiene not 

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sure how to pronounce. 
It has taken over and they still

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are essentially allied with the 
Afghan Taliban in their 

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Insurgency against the Kabul 
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Is created there. 
So, you know, even to this day, 

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we're dealing with the blowback 
from, you know, in our own 

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attempted occupation that land 
fighting the exact same 

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mujahideen Warlords. 
That we had back to the 1980s. 

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Unbelievable. 
So that we had backed the 

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Taliban to marginalize because 
of how horrible they were 25 

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years ago, under Bill Clinton. 
So complaint number one from Bin

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Laden in his own words, starting
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troops stationed. 
In Saudi Arabia with operation 

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Southern watch. 
What was the justification for 

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having those bases there? 
Well, so what happened was, you 

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00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,300
know, Desert Storm Desert Shield
started in 1990 and the actual 

453
00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:32,400
war was in January, and February
of 1991. 

454
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:36,300
And then the aftermath of that 
war, George h.w., Bush, 

455
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:40,900
encouraged the Shiites, and the 
Kurds to rise up against the 

456
00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:43,500
minority. 
Sunni controlled baathist 

457
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:46,800
dictatorship, in Baghdad and 
Bush. 

458
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,500
Put out a statement on Voice of 
America, encouraging them to 

459
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:51,400
rise up and the Air Force 
dropped. 

460
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,900
Flitz that looked like a recce 
Dinars, look like money to make 

461
00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:57,500
sure people would pick it up. 
That said, now's your chance 

462
00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:01,200
rise up against Saddam Hussein. 
I'm not sure if they literally 

463
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,700
promised support. 
But that was certainly, the 

464
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:06,200
implication America ruled all of
the south of the country. 

465
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,900
I didn't mention this in the 
book. 

466
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,000
I wasn't sure if it really fit 
or not. 

467
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,500
I guess I'll ask your opinion 
about this. 

468
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,700
I almost had a sentence in the 
book that said, as readers may, 

469
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:21,000
remember, from the movie Three 
Kings. 

470
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:26,300
It's Ice Cube Marky, Mark and 
George Clooney, are, is a pretty

471
00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:29,800
big Hollywood movie that came 
out in the 1990s and it takes 

472
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,000
place during this time in the 
aftermath of Iraq, war one, and 

473
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,600
it's a gold Heist, right? 
You may, have you ever seen 

474
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,400
this. 
It's great. 

475
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,200
The guy makes Marky Mark. 
Drink oil. 

476
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,000
He goes. 
What do you Doing here Marky 

477
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,100
Mark and Marky, Mark's, like 
stability, man, you know, 

478
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:45,900
stability. 
And he prizes mouth open with a 

479
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,000
CD and pours oil down his 
throat. 

480
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,500
Here's here's your stability is 
great. 

481
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,300
Anyway, so, yeah, I guess it's a
good thing. 

482
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:56,400
I left that out of the book 
because it's such an old movie 

483
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,400
now, people don't remember but 
if you like, it's a good movie. 

484
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,300
Wait wait, so the context of 
that movie is USA, occupies all 

485
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:07,100
Southern Iraq, Saddam Hussein on
his knees. 

486
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:09,200
Signed all of our demands and 
cried. 

487
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,900
Uncle at the End of the war, 
right? 

488
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:15,100
It was, he was in America's hand
and then so Bush, encourage 

489
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:19,500
these people to rise up but then
he changed his mind and he let 

490
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:23,100
Saddam Hussein keep his attack 
helicopters and Slaughter the 

491
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:26,200
people and you know, enough 
tanks as well. 

492
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,400
By the way that M EK mujahideen 
e called communist terrorist 

493
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,200
cult help. 
Put down that Insurrection for 

494
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,500
Saddam as well. 
Interesting side note there, but

495
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:38,000
they killed approximately 
100,000 people. 

496
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,000
Crushing that Insurrection among
them. 

497
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,600
Shorty supermajority Shiites and
the other minority. 

498
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,100
The Kurdish sunnis in the north 
of the country. 

499
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:52,300
And so then Bush I guess it was 
Thatcher. 

500
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:57,100
Maybe it was John Major by then.
I think no still Thatcher and I 

501
00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:00,400
forget who was run France at the
time and they dropped out pretty

502
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,700
quick. 
But the three major allies 

503
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:08,400
initially announced this no-fly 
zone that they would maintain 

504
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,500
over Iraq to protect. 
T', the southern Shiites and the

505
00:28:12,508 --> 00:28:16,800
northern Kurds. 
So the thing of it is this and 

506
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,800
then later in the beginning of 
the Clinton are they just 

507
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,600
announced this whole policy of 
dual containment that meant 

508
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,700
containing Iraq and Iran with or
without the pretext of 

509
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:28,500
Oppression of the Shiites, 
right? 

510
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,900
Just you know, whatever we want.
We're staying to keep both sides

511
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:34,000
down since we can't bounce them 
against each other. 

512
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,500
Well now whatever, but the thing
is the question is, why do they 

513
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:41,500
betray them? 
Why did bush Change his mind and

514
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:44,800
the reason is because the 
Iranians started, coming across 

515
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,100
the border, more to the point. 
Iranian back Shiite. 

516
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:53,000
Militias started coming across 
the border from Iran into Iraq. 

517
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,900
And when they did that, the 
Americans realized Bush senior's

518
00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:01,000
Administration realized they 
were reversing their policy 

519
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:04,100
that, you know, he was vice 
president during Reagan their 

520
00:29:04,100 --> 00:29:07,100
whole policy have been support 
Saddam Hussein in his war 

521
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:09,900
against the Iranian Shiite 
revolutionary. 

522
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:13,600
The government there in order to
contain that Shiite revolution 

523
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,600
in part to prevent it from 
bleeding into Iraq, Saudi Arabia

524
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:21,500
and other places in Saudi. 
It's a small minority but the 

525
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:24,000
Shiites live right on top of 
where all the oil is. 

526
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:26,700
And so, you know, they're really
worried about all that too. 

527
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,200
So Bush senior realized they 
were reversing that policy. 

528
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,300
They were now importing the 
Iranian Revolution into Iraq. 

529
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,800
And so, you know, they didn't 
really control Saddam anymore. 

530
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,500
But at least you know, they had 
them completely Pound, right? 

531
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,900
But if they just invited the 
Iranians into Iraq, they would 

532
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:47,100
be screwed. 
They'd have to go to war and 

533
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:51,300
Tehran to reverse that. 
So they called it off and then 

534
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:54,100
they let Saddam Massacre all 
these people and then that 

535
00:29:54,100 --> 00:29:57,600
became the excuse to stay. 
Which then as I say, got us 

536
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,900
attacked on September 11th, fast
forward a year and a half, Bush 

537
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,400
jr. 
Uses September 11th as his 

538
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,200
excuse to go back to Iraq and he
picks up, right? 

539
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,100
Where his father left off. 
And Put those exact same Iraqi 

540
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:15,200
Shiites who are backed by Iran. 
He puts them in power. 

541
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,800
And as we've discussed before, 
that was the entire nature of 

542
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,600
Iraq. 
War two was, it was America's 

543
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,000
War to put Iran's best friends 
in power. 

544
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,600
And they've been regretting it 
and trying to make up for that 

545
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,600
fact with their stupid Pro 
outright Pro Al-Qaeda policies 

546
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,800
ever since especially in Syria 
and in Yemen, and just to be 

547
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,600
clear about what was happening 
in the 90s in Iraq. 

548
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,400
Because Ben Shapiro has 
described 90s as the u.s. 

549
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,800
Having a light footprint in the 
world. 

550
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,200
So you mentioned that the US 
under Clinton was actually 

551
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,000
bombing Iraq, multiple times a 
week, and had a blockade, which 

552
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,400
Bin Laden says caused a million 
deaths. 

553
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,200
You clarify the numbers closer 
to 300,000 either way. 

554
00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:00,500
That's an incredible number. 
Why was there bombing and 

555
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:06,700
blockading in Iraq before 9/11? 
Yeah, so that was the policy and

556
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:10,600
as I provide, you know, plenty 
of quotes in the book of Bush. 

557
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,000
And then, Clinton officials 
saying that from the beginning, 

558
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,000
essentially, that the economic 
war, against Iraq will not be 

559
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,100
lifted until Saddam Hussein is 
gone. 

560
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:23,800
We'll keep him under blockade, 
will keep him under embargo, you

561
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,000
know, I hadn't really thought 
about this in a while Keith, but

562
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,800
you're just for some reason kind
of spurred a neuron in me that, 

563
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,700
that reminded me of my own 
perception of those events. 

564
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,800
At the time. 
I was in ninth grade during the 

565
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,700
Iraq War One. 
So I was a pretty badass 

566
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,300
political son of a bitch. 
By the time I was a senior in 

567
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:47,000
high school, maybe even really a
junior. 

568
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,100
I was pretty wise to a lot of 
this stuff. 

569
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:52,500
Ronald Reagan's drug dealing, 
and the corruption in the lies 

570
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:55,600
of the war, that how bad it was,
that we'd done that to Iraq and 

571
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,400
that kind of thing. 
I got a real leg up on that, but

572
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:02,200
I was for the war at the time 
because I was just 14 and want 

573
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,800
to see some explosions, you 
know, I was absolutely a 

574
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,300
sociopath until later in life. 
I just wanted to see some Cool 

575
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:11,300
shit, blow up and the President 
says, it's okay. 

576
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:13,400
So I don't want to hear any 
hippie whining about it. 

577
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,900
You know what I mean? 
If he says it's fine, then it is

578
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,500
yellow ribbons everywhere. 
We're all on board for this, 

579
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:20,300
right? 
The I didn't even know. 

580
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:22,000
Honestly. 
I didn't even know that anyone 

581
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,300
had any hippies at all, have 
even marched on the capital out 

582
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:29,400
of all in Austin and, and 
protest against the war TV news,

583
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400
didn't cover it. 
I didn't even find that out. 

584
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,500
Until I just heard people talk 
about it, maybe more than a year

585
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:37,500
later, two years later. 
It hadn't even occurred to me 

586
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,000
that there were organized 
adults. 

587
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,500
We're trying to stop the war 
from happening. 

588
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:45,100
They never told us that and I 
remember, I'm sorry. 

589
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,600
I'm rambling, but I remember the
coverage of the blockade and the

590
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,600
Embargo and the sanctions in the
whatever in the sort of the the,

591
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:57,700
you know, how like kind of The 
New Normal. 

592
00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:58,800
Right? 
I guess they would say now, 

593
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,200
right? 
Like, we're not going back to a 

594
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,300
status quo. 
We're never going to be friends 

595
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:03,400
with this guy. 
Again. 

596
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,400
We call them Hitler way, too 
many times to bring them back 

597
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,900
in, from the cold now, so we 
have to keep I'm kind of on a 

598
00:33:09,908 --> 00:33:14,600
nice and kind of in this 
Purgatory kind of situation. 

599
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:16,900
I call it warm War because we're
bombing them. 

600
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:20,300
It's not exactly just cold war. 
It's not outright War, but we 

601
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:22,400
got them under this terrible 
blockade. 

602
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,300
But you know, I think I remember
at the time until until much 

603
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:31,800
later when when the Scandal was 
made about Madeleine Albright's 

604
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,200
comments about the 500,000, dead
children being worth it and you 

605
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,800
know, the oil for food and the 
scandal of the you Officials, 

606
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,400
Dennis Halladay, and I'm sorry. 
The other guy resigning over 

607
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:51,800
this van spotnik sponeck and it 
kind of became a controversy, a 

608
00:33:51,808 --> 00:33:53,900
little bit, you know, later in 
the 90s man. 

609
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:58,600
Clinton second term, you know, 
but for for the rest of Bush, 

610
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:03,400
senior and the entire early Bill
Clinton, I think the idea they 

611
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,600
just never filled in the details
man. 

612
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:07,700
They just kind of said that, 
like, yeah, we have them under 

613
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:10,600
this blockade. 
They never really said what that

614
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,199
meant. 
Right? 

615
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:12,800
Like you could have got the 
idea. 

616
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,300
I'm speaking from my own like, 
very young and kind of look what

617
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:23,100
I understood to be more or less 
than narrative as a 10th grader,

618
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:26,600
is pretty much what the American
people thought, at the same time

619
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,900
to, okay. 
I was plugged into the common 

620
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:34,300
understanding at that time. 
And it was that like, who cares 

621
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,300
was the big deal? 
No, there wasn't a big deal. 

622
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,500
Nobody said there was a big 
deal. 

623
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:39,800
We have them under block. 
Ay, there's Something, but 

624
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,600
nobody was crying there. 
If Kathy Kelly voices in the 

625
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,000
wilderness was screaming, these 
poor children are dying. 

626
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,699
We couldn't hear her. 
No one, she wasn't on TV. 

627
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,500
I don't know when Kathy Kelly 
started. 

628
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:53,600
I'm sure it was all along some 
of these women are just heroic 

629
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,500
on this stuff. 
But but for the general public, 

630
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:58,300
we just didn't know man. 
We just didn't know. 

631
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,400
Embargo is just a word. 
Keith sanctions is just a word. 

632
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,200
What does that mean? 
They didn't say? 

633
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,900
This means that the people in 
Kurdistan can't get wait. 

634
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,400
They're the ones. 
We're trying to save from 

635
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,300
Saddam. 
Mm. 

636
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:13,400
I thought but they can't buy 
wheat to eat. 

637
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,800
So they're dying. 
You know, they got when Bush 

638
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,500
senior died. 
They're like, yeah, you 

639
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:21,200
liberated. 
Iraq, except all the tweets out 

640
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,400
of Iraq. 
Call the mr. 

641
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,400
Embargo burn in hell. 
They weren't thankful that he 

642
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,400
had saved them from Saddam 
Hussein. 

643
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,200
What he had done to them was far
worse than what Saddam Hussein 

644
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,300
had done to them. 
And the worst that Hussein had 

645
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:37,900
done to them, was when America 
set them up under Reagan and 

646
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:41,000
under Bush. 
Got them in trouble with him in 

647
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,900
the 80s. 
They worked a deal to get Iran 

648
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:46,800
to back them against Saddam, and
then they left them high and dry

649
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,500
and less Saddam come and get his
revenge against the master of 

650
00:35:49,508 --> 00:35:52,200
them all. 
You know, anyway, so we have 

651
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,000
sanctions. 
But so, that's the deal, the 

652
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,500
American people. 
I don't want to say they were 

653
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:59,700
innocent but in a way like, man,
they kind of they did, they 

654
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:03,000
never explained. 
They never said to us, embargo 

655
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,100
means. 
I mean, maybe if you're like a 

656
00:36:05,107 --> 00:36:08,000
regular religious reader of the 
Washington Post, then you could 

657
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,400
pick this up, right? 
But Like if you're Joe air 

658
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,300
conditioner, repairman, who 
cares about this stuff and 

659
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:17,500
watches the news and listens to 
talk radio and is interested. 

660
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,400
Nobody ever told him. 
He never had a chance to even 

661
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,600
know what was going on, you 
know, and so yeah, they killed 

662
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,100
hundreds of thousands of people 
and the UN report said it was a,

663
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:31,900
it was actually one person on 
the UN team skewed. 

664
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:35,600
The numbers really bad by, you 
know, yeah, every house he 

665
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,800
checked had a dead child. 
Well, thanks a lot. 

666
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,500
He screwed up the thing. 
And they ended up having to 

667
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,900
retract that survey. 
But then as you said or you know

668
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:48,700
indicated there Richard Garfield
from Columbia went back and 

669
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:51,900
recalculate it. 
No, it wasn't 500,000 dead kids.

670
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,000
It was 300,000 dead kids and 
which does translate into maybe 

671
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,300
another hundred or two or more 
Dead adults to old people, you 

672
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:05,200
know, people die of easily 
treatable diseases when they 

673
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,500
can't get medicine. 
When they're malnourished and 

674
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:11,900
unhealthy, in the first Place, 
this is satanic fucking evil. 

675
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:14,000
Dude. 
What America does with these 

676
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,900
blockades and sanctions, but 
sound so clinical right? 

677
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:18,600
Same thing with the drones, Oh 
see? 

678
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:24,000
It's a surgical strike. 
The Drone is a scalpel, you 

679
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,200
know, the the an economic war 
against the civilian population 

680
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,900
to prevent them from being able 
to eat and take care of each 

681
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,600
other and take to provide 
medicine for the members of 

682
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,300
their family in To terrorize 
them in order to force them to 

683
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:46,100
make a change in their regime. 
They don't ever say that they 

684
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:48,900
call it an embargo. 
Well, what the fuck is an 

685
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:52,300
embargo, you know or even if you
know what that means. 

686
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:54,500
What are the consequences of 
that? 

687
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,800
What does that look like down at
the local hospital where the 

688
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,200
medicine cabinet is empty, 
right, but TV won't show you. 

689
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,300
So anyway, I'm off on that 
tangent, but I was one of the 

690
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:09,900
guilty I was 14 so I don't give 
a shit but But I was one of the 

691
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:13,100
guilty during Iraq war one. 
I was all for that as a freshman

692
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:18,800
in high school and I was, and I 
remember my understanding of the

693
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,700
way that they portrayed it, then
was I going to keep him under 

694
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,100
these sanctions and whatever 
until Hussein is gone. 

695
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,400
They never really addressed how 
long that'll take and they never

696
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,700
really addressed what this means
for the civilian population of 

697
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:34,100
the country. 
Again, in the book. 

698
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:37,200
I quote, The Washington Post, 
where the military makes it 

699
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,700
very, very and the Thracians. 
Make it very, very clear, how 

700
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:44,700
deliberate this all was, but 
they never really put that on 

701
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:49,700
TV, aside from Lesley Stahl when
she went in 1996, when she went 

702
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:53,100
over there and confronted 
Madeleine Albright about it. 

703
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,500
But even then that was just one 
episode of 60 Minutes. 

704
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,100
That didn't mean anything. 
The only part of that that you 

705
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:00,900
can find anywhere is the clip of
Madeleine Albright saying we 

706
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:03,900
think the price is worth it, but
you don't really get to see that

707
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:08,200
episode and at the time, 
whatever ripple effect it had 

708
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,900
amounted to a Few op-eds and a 
few papers and it was gone, you 

709
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:15,000
know, by like 98 they entry or 
96. 

710
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,300
They introduced the oil-for-food
programme, but the money wasn't 

711
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:20,800
going to the people. 
It wasn't going to food as they 

712
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,800
said. 
At the time Saddam. 

713
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,100
He gangster eyes has all the 
money spends it all on his 

714
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:27,900
palaces. 
Well, then do something 

715
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:31,000
different. 
Then if the food isn't going to 

716
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,800
the people and it's only going 
to the baath party, ruling Elite

717
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,800
will then change the fucking 
policy to something else. 

718
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,500
And meanwhile, you got Young 
father dies in the tower on 9/11

719
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:46,900
because of this shit and can't 
raise his kid now because he's 

720
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:50,600
dead because Bill Clinton 
thought won't care. 

721
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,900
I'll just keep doing whatever 
George Bush is doing. 

722
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:56,700
Doesn't make a difference to me 
and it still doesn't you think 

723
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:59,100
Bill Clinton has ever thought 
for one minute. 

724
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,200
Damn, that shit really is my 
fault. 

725
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,400
You know, other than I've heard 
him say he wishes he'd killed 

726
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,700
Bin Laden, but you think any 
more than W? 

727
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:11,000
Bush? 
You think that, he internalizes 

728
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000
his responsibility for this 
shit. 

729
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,300
Absolutely. 
Not nothing's, in one moment. 

730
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:19,700
It's incredible. 
It's Putin saying. 

731
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:25,200
Anyone who trades with America, 
we will shoot and until they 

732
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,900
violently overthrow. 
Joe Biden. 

733
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,100
We can't even get into side. 
The capital when we want to, I 

734
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:32,600
can't imagine Iraq. 
He's who don't have a An 

735
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,600
amendment saying you need to, 
you need to go murder Saddam 

736
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,100
Hussein. 
That's that's more or less. 

737
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:39,900
What you need to rise up. 
Okay? 

738
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:42,400
Code for shoot him and his top 
ten generals. 

739
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:45,700
That remember sir. 
We had the chance ask, remember,

740
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:48,800
they had their chance. 
We gave them their chance and 

741
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,400
told them to do it, and then 
stab them in the back, and let 

742
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,100
Saddam Hussein machine-gun them 
all to death. 

743
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,500
Okay, that was their chance for 
Madeleine Albright and Bill 

744
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:02,200
Clinton to pretend that somehow 
they could starve. 

745
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:06,400
These people into being able to 
successfully overthrow Saddam in

746
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,100
the middle of the 1990s was 
absurd and they knew it, they 

747
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:12,000
knew it. 
And listen. 

748
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,600
We're doing the same thing to 
the syrians, the Iranians and 

749
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,500
the amenities right now. 
It's no different than dropping 

750
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:20,500
an atom bomb on them. 
It's no more. 

751
00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:24,600
Moral than sending the Marine 
Corps to machine-gun them all to

752
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,400
death. 
Unbelievable. 

753
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:31,600
And then the third main thing 
that Bin Laden mentions in his 

754
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,200
letter is Khanna. 
What happened in Cana well in 

755
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,700
Kane 1996. 
And this is part of Israel's 

756
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:43,300
anti-iranian policy, where they 
were insisting, Bill Clinton had

757
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,700
to do this duel containment 
against Iran. 

758
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,900
Shimon Perez after rabine was 
killed, Shimon Perez. 

759
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:53,500
He was a ribbing was 
assassinated by right-wing 

760
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:57,700
Israeli settler, because he 
wanted a Away parts of the West 

761
00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:00,900
Bank, not a real Palestinian 
state, but that was too much for

762
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:03,300
this Zionist settler who 
assassinated him. 

763
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:08,500
So then his I guess defense 
minister Perez took over and 

764
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:09,900
became prime minister after 
that. 

765
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:15,000
And one of the first things he 
did on the new, anti-iran policy

766
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,300
was launched operation Grapes of
Wrath in southern Lebanon 

767
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:24,700
against Hezbollah and during. 
Well, first of all, Mohamed 

768
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:30,600
Atta, the lead September 11th 
hijacker and really ringleader 

769
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,700
of the Hamburg cell of al-Qaeda 
terrorists, who were the the 

770
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:38,000
pilots of three out of four of 
the planes that hit us on that 

771
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,600
day. 
He, as soon as operation Grapes 

772
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,800
of Wrath broke out. 
He signed his last will and 

773
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,200
testament which was essentially 
equivalent to. 

774
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,100
He was joining the Army. 
He was deciding that, that is 

775
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:51,000
it. 
I'm joining up. 

776
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,100
I'm going to war over this and I
don't mind dying. 

777
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,700
That was his deal there. 
Then it was a couple of days 

778
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:59,600
later, two days later that the 
Israeli. 

779
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,400
I think it was two days later 
that the Israelis bombed, a 

780
00:43:03,408 --> 00:43:06,000
United Nations shelter, that was
full of nothing. 

781
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,300
But women, and children 108 
women and children or 110, think

782
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:14,000
was 108 women and children. 
And and, you know, blew them 

783
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,200
apart was a artillery shell or 
whatever. 

784
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,800
It was, blew the place, apart, 
and killed all these people, and

785
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:26,100
and Bin Laden. 
His 1996 declaration of war 

786
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,900
against the United States goes 
on and on about Kana. 

787
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,900
And not just that in interviews 
to we talked about it numerous 

788
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:37,300
times about how cause you can 
see the pictures there, you 

789
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:39,600
know, on the local news and in 
the Middle East they wouldn't 

790
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,700
show you this on Dan Rather or 
Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw. 

791
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:48,300
But in the Middle East they got 
to see pictures of the heads of 

792
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:50,800
young babies. 
The arms and legs of young 

793
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,300
babies severed from their bodies
from this explosion. 

794
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,100
Erosion and Bin Laden said we 
will never forget. 

795
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:57,900
And nor will we ever forgive 
that? 

796
00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:02,000
And I'm almost certain. 
This is the one where he said, 

797
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,100
how, how is it that you think 
that your blood is blood but 

798
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:08,500
that our blood is just water. 
That's not right. 

799
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:11,700
It's like, you know what? 
I'm pretty sure this guy serious

800
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:16,100
some he should be worried about 
this shit, you know, in fact, 

801
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:19,900
you know, John Miller I'll get 
back to this just a second, but 

802
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:22,900
John Miller said the the former 
ABC news reporter who 

803
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:26,200
interviewed Bin Laden and later 
became an FBI agent over it. 

804
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,800
He told Peter Bergen who also 
had interviewed Bin Laden that 

805
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:36,700
when Bin Laden said I'm 
declaring war against the United

806
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:39,900
States of America that to 
himself. 

807
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:44,600
He scoffed and laughed and said 
yeah you and what army, you 

808
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,500
know, it sounded crazy to think 
that this guy could be a danger 

809
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:50,500
hiding an exile out in 
Afghanistan and Pakistan with a 

810
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:53,100
couple of hundred mujahideen. 
What the hell's he gonna do? 

811
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,700
Right, but what he did was he 
inspired this Egyptian? 

812
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,700
During student studying in 
Germany and he and his friend 

813
00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:03,600
ramzi binalshibh. 
And I forget if there were 

814
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,300
others with them now or not. 
I have to go back, but they went

815
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:09,300
to Afghanistan and they met with
Bin Laden's video of them in 

816
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:12,400
Afghanistan with Bin Laden and 
zawahiri and the group there. 

817
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,300
And that was where they were 
recruited. 

818
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:17,600
And these were guys who because 
they had Western passports. 

819
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,400
It was that much easier for them
to get into the United States. 

820
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:24,600
And this was, you know, the core
of the September 11th plot in 

821
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,100
this country. 
And, you know, Long ago, I 

822
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:30,800
actually look for this and it's 
gone. 

823
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,700
Now, you know, YouTube is man 
thinks come and go from there 

824
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,600
little channels and whatever, 
but there was this cool thing 

825
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,800
where it was like, this old 
Jewish guy or I don't know how 

826
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,700
old he wasn't. 
Kind of middle-aged Jewish guy 

827
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:45,400
from Brooklyn Ferry New Yorker, 
very stereotypical kind of a 

828
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,400
character, really funny and 
gregarious kind of a guy. 

829
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,900
And he was talking about how he 
had come. 

830
00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:53,500
He had run into all these 
buildings seven truthers who 

831
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:58,000
were trying to convince him. 
That the Had planted all these 

832
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,200
bombs in building seven and 
brought it down and so he had 

833
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,900
started looking into that and 
trying to figure out what had 

834
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:06,300
really happened. 
And then the conclusion was he 

835
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:08,400
put out this video where he said
I figured it out. 

836
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,600
Okay, it wasn't that Israel put 
bombs in the towers. 

837
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:15,400
It was that Israel murdered a 
bunch of innocent children in 

838
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,300
Palestine and in Lebanon and 
motivated these Egyptians and 

839
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:24,400
Saudis and Lebanese and you 
many's to hijack this plane or 

840
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,700
UAE. 
I didn't mean say Yemen. 

841
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:30,400
Sorry, uh, Lee citizens to 
hijack, these planes and crash 

842
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,200
them into our buildings. 
That's what brought down the 

843
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,000
towers. 
Not Israeli demolition, charges 

844
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:40,800
Israeli policies in the Levant 
war crimes. 

845
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,600
Right? 
Not being a nice little Jewish 

846
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,400
boy, minding their own business,
murdering women and children 

847
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,700
hiding and United Nations 
shelters. 

848
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,500
That's what brought those towers
down. 

849
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,300
Somebody told Bin Laden that 
their blood also is blood not 

850
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:57,600
water. 
And that Ought to take 

851
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,400
themselves seriously, and 
apparently he agreed with them. 

852
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,900
And there were two condom 
massacres where they both the 

853
00:47:03,908 --> 00:47:04,800
way. 
Let me say this. 

854
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,600
I'm so sorry. 
I'm so rude and interrupting you

855
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,900
all the time here, buddy, but 
let me say for people who don't 

856
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:11,000
know me and don't understand 
this subject matter, whatever. 

857
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,800
This is not a justification for 
any of this. 

858
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:16,500
Okay. 
This is just being a grown-up 

859
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:21,400
and being you know factual and 
and and you know, respecting the

860
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,700
history of what really happened 
here and what we're really up 

861
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:28,000
against, you know, as Ron Paul 
said if We think we can just go 

862
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,000
around the world and do all this
stuff and not have to face 

863
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,300
consequences that we do this at 
our own Peril. 

864
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,600
Okay, we have to be 
understanding about what is 

865
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,700
really going on. 
So if we're going to make, you 

866
00:47:41,707 --> 00:47:44,700
know, correct diagnosis, so that
we can get the correct 

867
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:46,800
prescription for what is to be 
done. 

868
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:51,000
And that's all it is. 
No justification for some sickos

869
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,600
war against my own civilian. 
Countrymen. 

870
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,000
That's not the point. 
The point is don't pretend that 

871
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,600
you Don't understand. 
Okay, the same way you feel, 

872
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,000
when they knocked down our 
Towers. 

873
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,500
That's the same way. 
They feel when we bomb their 

874
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:09,800
shelter and the Israelis count 
is us because the money for 

875
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,700
those Israeli bombs came right 
out of our paychecks. 

876
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,200
Yeah, but Bin Laden continuously
says, I think the term is 

877
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,800
American. 
Zionist Alliance is what I that 

878
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:24,500
term he uses in his 96 writings 
because he sees them as two 

879
00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:28,900
sides of the same coin. 
Is far as, okay. 

880
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:32,500
So to kind of massacres both un 
shelter buildings. 

881
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:36,400
Oh, good point. 
So yes, the second kind of 

882
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,300
Massacre is in 2006. 20 years 
later. 

883
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:42,300
I'm sorry. 10 years later. 
I'm so old. 

884
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:46,300
I'm out of time here. 
I'm Doc Brown only without the 

885
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:54,000
hair 2006. 
Israel invades Southern Lebanon.

886
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000
What had happened was he 
Israelis had massacred? 

887
00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:01,100
Family in Gaza on the beach, 
just Ramona wrote about the Gaza

888
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:04,600
Beach, Party Massacre. 
And then in response to that 

889
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,400
Hezbollah kidnapped, some IDF 
troops near the border in the 

890
00:49:10,408 --> 00:49:14,300
north there with Lebanon. 
And then the Israelis launched a

891
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:16,300
war over it. 
And the Hezbollah. 

892
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:20,100
We're like, Whoa, We we were 
trying to start a warm hand. 

893
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:22,800
We just wanted to trade a couple
of prisoners or something. 

894
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,200
You know, it got way out of 
hand, the Israelis invaded, But 

895
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,700
then Hezbollah beat them back. 
And really humiliated them and 

896
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:30,900
drove them back. 
This is the summer of end of 

897
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:37,500
July, beginning of August 2006. 
And I do not remember the 

898
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:40,200
specifics anymore, Keith, 
whether that was a shelter or 

899
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,200
not. 
You may have that better than I 

900
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,000
do at this point, but I do know 
that there was a massacre. 

901
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,900
I'm not sure if it was, I think 
it was, you know, one artillery 

902
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:50,400
shell or one tank round, or 
whatever. 

903
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,400
It was hit civilians and killed 
them and it was named, then the 

904
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,100
second Kana Massacre was in 06. 
Sorry, it's just been too long 

905
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:01,300
since I looked into that. 
I don't remember the details of 

906
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:04,300
that one anymore. 
It's just another example of how

907
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:07,500
one of these can go unnoticed. 
It's amazing. 

908
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:10,900
You read the words of Ron Paul 
that you mentioned in your book 

909
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:13,000
enough already time to end the 
war on terrorism. 

910
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:17,200
You quote Ron Paul in the late 
90s warning about blowback. 

911
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,600
We have Harry Brown on September
12th. 2001 saying let me give 

912
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,300
you a quick history lesson or 
not. 

913
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:26,600
Exactly the isolationist that 
were. 

914
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,400
Sometimes painted as you have to
step back and look, this is a 

915
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:37,600
completely insecure regime for 
spending 730 billion dollars 

916
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,800
annually on the military. 
You'd think no one's ever going 

917
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,600
to attack us ever. 
We spend so much. 

918
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,500
But the opposite is true. 
We spend so much, we provoke 

919
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:48,700
enemies. 
So it actually is time to end 

920
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:51,700
the war on terrorism. 
It's not like a well the bigger.

921
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:54,500
We are the more we save when you
kill one. 

922
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:56,200
You create a number of other 
enemies. 

923
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,800
Just to Quickly, quote, Robert 
Pape and Feldman in 2010, 

924
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,800
cutting the fuse, here are three
9/11 hijackers. 

925
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,800
So to assist the words of Bin 
Laden, what is happening in 

926
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,900
Muslim countries today. 
Blatant occupation about which 

927
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:11,800
there is no doubt. 
There was no Duty more 

928
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,800
obligatory after Faith then to 
repel them. 

929
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,600
Second one repelling, the 
Americans occupying. 

930
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,900
The land of the to sanctuaries 
is the most obligatory of 

931
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:23,700
obligations. 
Finally, and I say to America, 

932
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:26,800
if it wants its armies and 
people to be safe than it must 

933
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,300
with. 
Draw all of its forces from the 

934
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:33,300
Muslim lands and depart from all
our countries bit of a different

935
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:35,300
picture than what we get from 
the Neo cons. 

936
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:39,000
They hate us for our freedom. 
Yeah, well and lesson it's the 

937
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,100
same thing for the letters that 
ramzi Yousef wrote to the New 

938
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:47,100
York newspapers and he said at 
his trial after the for the 

939
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:49,600
First World Trade Center bombing
in 1993. 

940
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,700
It's exactly what you know, all 
indications from all the 

941
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:58,800
different September 11th, 
hijackers, of course, and You 

942
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,300
know, there's just study after 
study by the CIA by the Pentagon

943
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:09,900
by, you know, the MI6 and MI5 
over in Britain of the FBI. 

944
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:14,300
As long as we're at it, where 
they all agree, that this is the

945
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:19,900
case, even in the September 
11th, hearings, the FBI agent. 

946
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:22,600
There's an FBI agent who he was 
asked about motive. 

947
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,200
It's funny, they say, what's the
motive behind this thing? 

948
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,400
Anyway, when we ever do to them,
you got to think. 

949
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,100
That and every one of the table 
is like shit. 

950
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:33,500
I'm not answering that and it 
goes kind of back and forth this

951
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:36,000
that and then find the FBI 
since, you know, I think they 

952
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,600
identify with the situation in 
Palestine and, and they perceive

953
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,900
the United States as being 
behind that and they sympathize 

954
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:47,600
with that and seek to avenge the
situation there. 

955
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:51,700
As like, he's just a cop, man. 
This is just Joe Friday facts, 

956
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:53,300
man. 
I'm just saying, you know, he 

957
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:54,700
doesn't have an opinion about 
this shit. 

958
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:58,400
He's just saying that, well, you
know, when we investigate It all

959
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,300
they talk about is how mad they 
are about what Israel does in 

960
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:05,400
Palestine. 
And you know, I get this to 

961
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,200
right, like if somebody's mom is
watching this. 

962
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:12,800
She's may be lost. 
And it's fair like what do you 

963
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,400
mean that these Egyptians 
attacked the United States 

964
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:19,500
because of what Israel did in 
Lebanon? 

965
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,200
It's like I'm lost. 
Where's Lebanon anyway, right? 

966
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,200
I don't know. 
But the thing is like, yeah. 

967
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,800
No, that's the deal. 
That's what it is. 

968
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,700
America gives Israel, three, 
four billion dollars a year and 

969
00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:35,000
in military aid and in all the 
Diplomatic support they could 

970
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,900
ever need. 
And there's this narrative that 

971
00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:40,200
poor little Israel's just 
defending itself from their 

972
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,900
neighbors, but that's just not 
true. 

973
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,000
They are the regional hegeman. 
They are the nuclear hegeman of 

974
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,000
the region and are the military.
The conventional military 

975
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,500
hegeman of the region by FR. 
And in fact, right now they 

976
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:59,400
could take on Lebanon, Syria, 
Jordan, Iraq and Egypt in one 

977
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,900
war right now, and beat all of 
them in a week or two, and 

978
00:54:02,908 --> 00:54:06,400
there's no question about it. 
Not even to no question about 

979
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,600
that the strength that the 
Israelis have. 

980
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:10,400
This is not about the minding 
their own business. 

981
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:13,100
This is about them getting away 
with bloody murder at the 

982
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:15,600
expense of innocent civilian, 
populations. 

983
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,300
Particularly, of course the 
Palestinians, but yes, you know,

984
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,800
back then. 
Especially from, you know, 1982 

985
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,500
through 2000, Lebanon, as well. 
They occupy Lebanon for right 

986
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:31,200
around 20 years and you know, 
give or take they would move 

987
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,700
back and forth sometimes but 
well, yeah, it's a little 

988
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:36,500
counterintuitive. 
You see small Israel and then 

989
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:39,000
this whole big Middle East 
you're like, oh stop complaining

990
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,700
about Israel, but you then 
realize how power actually 

991
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:45,500
works. 
It's like how is it that a few 

992
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:49,300
congressmen 530 of them control,
300 million Americans? 

993
00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:51,300
Ins. 
And then you can read the words 

994
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:54,400
of Mossad agent. 
Ellie Cohen saying, you know, it

995
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,900
turns out the way we don't, the 
reason Syria doesn't just blow 

996
00:54:57,900 --> 00:55:00,200
away. 
Tiny Israel is because Israel 

997
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,600
has World public support. 
So it's not just looking at the 

998
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,500
size and saying, well, you can't
blame that tiny little Nation 

999
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:11,500
for up for everything else. 
That's just not. 

1000
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,800
Not the way, it is. 
I'd really like, for example, 

1001
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,000
New Jersey could destroy all of 
North Africa, right? 

1002
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,000
It made me think. 
New Jersey, they crank out 

1003
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,000
battleships weekly if they have 
to think New Jersey doesn't have

1004
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,400
the ability to destroy, you 
know, huge parts of the planet. 

1005
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,800
It's all about capital and how 
its invested man and not the 

1006
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,500
size of the of the nation 
itself. 

1007
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:39,200
Well, it's just like Bin Laden 
says, I think it's in his letter

1008
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,700
to fahd in 1995 where he talks 
about Egypt and Yemen. 

1009
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:46,800
And Jordan as these Muslim 
brother nations in the same way.

1010
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,700
You would talk about Florida, 
Nebraska, Hawaii. 

1011
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,600
E and New York and Washington. 
It's like these are places that 

1012
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,600
are so different in culture and 
region but they have this sort 

1013
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,700
of, you know, Collective 
identity. 

1014
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,600
So to hit New York is to get 
someone in Texas. 

1015
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,800
A guy who hates New Yorkers to 
just say, oh I'll die. 

1016
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:10,600
I'll sign up. 
I'll get my legs blown off by an

1017
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,200
IED. 
I'm signing up and I'm glad you 

1018
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,400
brought that up because after 
the first World Trade Center 

1019
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,300
attack, when six people were 
killed, you couldn't have got 

1020
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:22,300
Texans to go to war over. 
At Texas, didn't care about six,

1021
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:25,600
New Yorkers dying. 
Sorry, but they didn't, you 

1022
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,400
know, I talked to him. 
I was a cab driver. 

1023
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,500
I met, 50,000 of them in a row 
later. 

1024
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:33,200
They were not interested in 
that, but you knocked down a 

1025
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,200
couple of towers and kill, 
especially what we thought might

1026
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,000
have been 20,000 right away, you
know, in the, in the first 

1027
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,600
estimates there, boy. 
They're lucky, wind is really, 

1028
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,800
they're lucky that that nuclear 
bombs didn't start getting 

1029
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,200
dropped over there, you know, 
for at least if it had been the 

1030
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,900
people, Of this state in charge 
that is what would have 

1031
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:53,800
happened. 
You know, right? 

1032
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,000
So we got the motives and up to 
9/11. 

1033
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,400
Let's talk about September 12. 
2001, Madeleine Albright spoke 

1034
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,500
with Ana kasparian, Madeleine 
Albright said, this is a former 

1035
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:10,400
United Nations US. 
Secretary to the UN that was her

1036
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,400
title. 
It was she was Secretary of 

1037
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,600
State after that. 
Yeah, first ambassador to the UN

1038
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,400
Secretary of State, then 
secretary of state. 

1039
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,700
So Ana kasparian was asking her 
about foreign policy matter. 

1040
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:25,300
Albright says, I personally, 
when we went into Afghanistan 

1041
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,300
one, could understand that. 
Because that was after 9/11, and

1042
00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:33,400
that's where the murderers had 
been placed. 

1043
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,500
And then she just moves on get 
into that mindset. 

1044
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:42,800
We Al Qaeda is based in the 
Hindu Kush mountains or that 

1045
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:47,700
area with Bin Laden. 
So invading Afghanistan and 

1046
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,700
going in there to start at 20 
years. 

1047
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,000
War was therefore Justified 
maybe not everything since then,

1048
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:55,400
but at the time we had to go, 
how do you respond? 

1049
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,500
Well, look, I make the case in 
my first book Fool's errand that

1050
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,900
and this is just a fact that the
Taliban were willing to 

1051
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:08,300
negotiate the Americans, you 
know, said they're just biding 

1052
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:10,200
for time and stuff like that. 
I don't think that that was 

1053
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,200
true. 
And in fact, Milton Bearden, who

1054
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,200
was the most experienced CIA 
officer in Afghanistan, going 

1055
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,300
back to the 1980s who helped run
the war in the 1980s there. 

1056
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:21,100
Said that, that just wasn't 
true. 

1057
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:23,400
They absolutely were willing to 
negotiate with us. 

1058
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:26,100
All they wanted, was a little 
bit of proof and I think you and

1059
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:29,900
I have talked about this on the 
show before Keith, but in in 

1060
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,300
Afghanistan, especially among 
the pashtun population, there 

1061
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:36,400
they have What's called the 
pashtunwali code, which is their

1062
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,400
tribal honor code, and it's 
taken as seriously as an honor 

1063
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,500
code in Japan or anywhere that 
has something, you know, 

1064
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:46,700
extremely serious like that. 
We have real good handshakes 

1065
00:58:46,700 --> 00:58:49,600
here in Texas, but it's not 
quite as Extreme as all of this.

1066
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:55,400
If they have a custom that and I
think it's like actually this 

1067
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,700
isn't just a cliche like you're 
supposed to turn over your own 

1068
00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:03,300
daughter before you turn over a 
guest seeking refuge in your 

1069
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:07,100
home, you know, you don't ever 
do that and it's these are 

1070
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:10,000
badlands, right? 
These Customs come from living 

1071
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,800
and very, very harsh places. 
And this these Customs go back. 

1072
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,200
Thousands of years. 
You can just don't give up 

1073
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,500
someone who you're protecting. 
You know, anybody can relate to 

1074
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:23,400
that, right? 
I'm just saying that's their, 

1075
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,700
that's their belief system to 
the nth degree. 

1076
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,600
Okay, on the other hand though. 
Mullah Omar, the leader of the 

1077
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,400
Taliban hated, Osama Bin Laden. 
Sorry guts and wanted rid of 

1078
00:59:34,408 --> 00:59:35,300
them. 
All. 

1079
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:38,000
He wanted was to save a little 
bit of face. 

1080
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,300
Tell you what? 
Just show me some evidence that 

1081
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:43,100
he did it, which they had 
plenty. 

1082
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:44,600
They knew there was an attack 
coming. 

1083
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,800
All damn summer long. 
It's not like they couldn't 

1084
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,700
track these guys from, you know,
who they were. 

1085
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:52,900
I were to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
and Bin Laden and whatever they 

1086
00:59:52,900 --> 00:59:54,400
could put all that out in a 
week. 

1087
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,600
Colon Powell went on Meet. 
The Press and said yes, we're 

1088
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,700
working on a dossier right now. 
We have evidence. 

1089
00:59:58,700 --> 01:00:01,000
We have plenty of evidence. 
You know, we'll have it ready in

1090
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,500
no time that never happened. 
They never turned over any 

1091
01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:08,000
evidence and and the Taliban and
said, if you give us some 

1092
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,500
evidence will turn them over to 
any Muslim country. 

1093
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,500
Well or any member of the 
organization of the Muslim 

1094
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:16,700
conference, it's called well, 
which was created by the United 

1095
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:19,100
States and Saudi Arabia and the 
first place Keith. 

1096
01:00:19,100 --> 01:00:21,800
You know that On. 
This is the America rules the 

1097
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,100
world here. 
The the the Muslim states of the

1098
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:26,200
war. 
You could turn them over to any 

1099
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,300
Muslim country. 
How about Kuwait? 

1100
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:33,900
How about United Arab Emirates 
or Jordan or Malaysia? 

1101
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:37,800
You think those countries would 
not just hand the guy over 

1102
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,700
without even an extradition 
hearing it land on the tarmac in

1103
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:45,900
Jordan and then take off for New
York, or Virginia for trial for,

1104
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,400
you know, arraignment. 
No problem. 

1105
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:53,000
Then all And Al Qaeda, no 
problem, but they said no 

1106
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,500
bullshit. 
No negotiations. 

1107
01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:59,800
They said well, I'll tell you 
what, give us evidence and we'll

1108
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,000
turn them over to your friends. 
The pakistanis, Who by that time

1109
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,800
Believe Me by September the 
12th. 

1110
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,500
They were firmly in America's 
pocket or in America's grip. 

1111
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:12,000
If you prefer Richard Armitage, 
the deputy secretary of state 

1112
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,900
had called new sheriff and said,
you are essentially my slave 

1113
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:17,700
now, you know, do everything I 
tell you, or I'm going to reduce

1114
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:21,800
your country to the Stone Age. 
Do you understand what I mean? 

1115
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,100
And that means nuclear war, we 
will destroy your country with 

1116
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:28,800
nuclear weapons. 
If you do not bow down right now

1117
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,400
and they said sir. 
Yes, sir. 

1118
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,500
Whatever you guys say from the 
very beginning. 

1119
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,700
And so he said well, we'll turn 
him over to them while the 

1120
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:39,200
pakistanis ruined that one, 
which I think is a strong 

1121
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,500
indication that the CIA, the 
Americans told them to ruin, it 

1122
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:46,600
told them to reject that offer. 
Then once the bombs started 

1123
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,100
falling, almost a month, later 
October the 8th. 

1124
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:54,100
They They said, okay. 
We'll turn him over to any third

1125
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:56,800
country in the world. 
I guess. 

1126
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:01,200
Probably excluding Israel, but 
any third country in the world? 

1127
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,800
With no evidence provided 
whatsoever. 

1128
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:10,300
You can have him and all of his 
men, and Bush said, nope, too 

1129
01:02:10,300 --> 01:02:11,600
little too late. 
That's it. 

1130
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,800
And still pushing change. 
And this, according to George 

1131
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,000
Bush in his book decision 
points. 

1132
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,900
He said, we gave that offer to 
mainly expose their Defiance 

1133
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,100
this. 
So, this is not like I have a 

1134
01:02:23,100 --> 01:02:25,500
feeling, there was something 
going on in the background. 

1135
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,600
This is generally known. 
Give me that page number. 

1136
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,900
I lost that I didn't have that. 
Yeah, I would Never read that 

1137
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:35,200
whole book. 
I only read the part about he 

1138
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,700
was mad at the CIA. 
For debunking his lies about 

1139
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:41,400
Iran's nuclear program and 
bowing and scraping to his Royal

1140
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,700
Majesty. 
King Abdullah over it. 

1141
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:47,100
My favorite part is when he's 
very upset with a Joe Wilson for

1142
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,100
making such a big deal over 
Bush. 

1143
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:53,800
Just saying, well, they bought 
some yellow cake, if from Niger 

1144
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,500
and then Joe Wilson had to go 
write an article. 

1145
01:02:57,500 --> 01:03:01,400
It was only sixteen words in my 
whole speech, like, that's the 

1146
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:06,000
evidence for the existence of 
wmds in Iraq, and he's very 

1147
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,900
upset with Joe Wilson and in 
that book, but but yes, I 

1148
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:13,200
actually quoted it when you and 
I first spoke years ago, but 

1149
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,000
yes, I will get that for you. 
Yeah. 

1150
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,100
Yeah, give me that page number. 
That sounds like a good one. 

1151
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:18,800
But yeah, and then that was the 
thing. 

1152
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,900
I now look. 
So I also say in the book, Keith

1153
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:24,000
I go look man. 
Like let me let me be fair to my

1154
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,800
audience here. 
You might think that September 

1155
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,300
11th was so big that I don't 
know if that is a crime. 

1156
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:34,600
Maybe that is an act of War. 
And maybe these guys don't 

1157
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,700
deserve trials. 
Maybe we should just shoot them 

1158
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:42,700
to death and maybe if anyone is 
near them, that's to God. 

1159
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:46,000
Damned bad. 
We're going to drop bombs on 

1160
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:49,900
you. 
Okay, fine, but still, you can 

1161
01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:53,500
just do that Takeda. 
I mean, for sake of argument 

1162
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:55,100
fine. 
I'm a fair trial guy. 

1163
01:03:55,100 --> 01:03:59,300
But anyway, for the sake of 
argument, fine, but why you got 

1164
01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:02,100
a carpet bomb the Taliban? 
Why you gotta lie. 

1165
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,900
I'm with the Northern Alliance 
and overthrow the Taliban and 

1166
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:08,700
just said of in focusing on 
Al-Qaeda the guilty, the Arabs 

1167
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:10,900
who did it. 
And, you know, it's in the book 

1168
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:14,600
jawbreaker by Gary berntson. 
The CIA has the second CIA 

1169
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,000
officer in charge of the war 
over there that at one point 

1170
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,400
after the worst started. 
He's talking with a Taliban 

1171
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,600
Commander over walkie-talkie and
he says, you know, I'll accept 

1172
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:31,500
your unconditional surrender now
and or maybe the guy calls him 

1173
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:34,200
think the Taliban. 
Contacts him since I want to 

1174
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,200
surrender, please don't you 
know, decimate me in all of my 

1175
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,700
guys. 
We want to surrender to you and 

1176
01:04:39,700 --> 01:04:42,000
he says, do you have any Arabs 
with you? 

1177
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,900
And the Taliban Commander says, 
yes, I have 20 Arabs with me and

1178
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:51,100
Gary berntsen says kill them. 
And then he can hear in the 

1179
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:56,300
background rat-tat-tat-tat 
tat-tat-tat has a Taliban lined 

1180
01:04:56,300 --> 01:04:58,500
up all their Arabs and murdered 
them. 

1181
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,000
Anything else. 
CIA man says Nope. 

1182
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,400
Good job and then accepts their 
surrender. 

1183
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,100
Okay. 
That's how important the Taliban

1184
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:08,600
were. 
I mean, the al-Qaeda guys were 

1185
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,100
to the Taliban. 
Not at all. 

1186
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,000
Right. 
And it's in bullshit war is over

1187
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,700
here on the Shelf here. 
The Bob Woodward book Bush at 

1188
01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:21,500
War. 
From it's the first in this 

1189
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:26,000
series of the the Woodward books
about w-- Bush and huge portions

1190
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,500
of that book are based simply on
the transcripts from the 

1191
01:05:29,500 --> 01:05:32,600
National Security Council. 
Principals committee meetings 

1192
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,300
Bush at the head of the table. 
Cheney's there with him Rumsfeld

1193
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:40,100
wolfowitz George Tenet the whole
group Condoleezza. 

1194
01:05:40,100 --> 01:05:43,700
Rice and: pal in the whole group
there and the transcripts of all

1195
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:45,400
of their discussions among 
themselves. 

1196
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,600
About what they're doing. 
There's just gold in the It's 

1197
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,000
just, I mean, it sucks. 
Having to read Bob Woodward. 

1198
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,400
I know, but, you know, some of 
that stuff is just gold and they

1199
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,600
had in there where the CIA and 
Condoleezza Rice, especially, 

1200
01:05:58,700 --> 01:06:01,000
we're saying, man. 
We should do everything we can 

1201
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,500
to separate. 
Al-Qaeda from the Taliban. 

1202
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:06,700
We should be bombing only 
Al-Qaeda and never the Taliban 

1203
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,600
and say, to the Taliban. 
See, we're only trying to kill 

1204
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,700
the Arabs and so you ought to 
cooperate with us instead of 

1205
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:16,300
fighting with us, but no 
Rumsfeld and Bush and especially

1206
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:19,300
Rumsfeld pushed this that look 
meant lady. 

1207
01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:23,700
You're trying to define the 
enemy far too narrowly. 

1208
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:27,400
We're trying to launch a war on 
terrorism here and you're trying

1209
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,300
to win it in the first three 
weeks. 

1210
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:32,800
When somebody shut her up, you 
know, we don't want that. 

1211
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,300
We want to conflate that Al 
Qaeda and the Taliban so that we

1212
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:39,000
can kill them all. 
So that we can keep this war 

1213
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,100
going. 
Keep the fear up as long as it 

1214
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:46,100
takes to build up our forces in 
Kuwait for an invasion of Iraq. 

1215
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,400
That's what it was all about. 
And so they Didn't have to set 

1216
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,700
Kabul. 
They didn't have to back General

1217
01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:55,100
dostum. 
The Communist mass murderer. 

1218
01:06:55,100 --> 01:06:59,500
Rapist, torturer war criminal, 
and make him the vice president 

1219
01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:02,500
of the goddamn country and, and 
Hamid Karzai. 

1220
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:05,600
And his heroin dealer brother 
while he Khan and all of his 

1221
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,600
stuff. 
None of this had to happen, none

1222
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,800
of it. 
And but, and they did it for 

1223
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:14,700
only dishonest corrupt reasons 
right to fool your auntie into 

1224
01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:17,700
thinking that the enemy out. 
There is so big that we have to 

1225
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:19,300
keep fighting them and fighting 
and fighting. 

1226
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,400
Them. 
When in fact the whole goddamn 

1227
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,900
thing could have been over by 
Christmas all of it and they 

1228
01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:27,300
knew it and they knew it and 
Gary Bernsen the CIA officer 

1229
01:07:27,300 --> 01:07:29,000
himself. 
He's quoted in the book. 

1230
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:30,800
Yep, could have been over by 
Christmas. 

1231
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:33,200
Horton is right. 
And everybody else is wrong. 

1232
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,400
Sorry. 
He's a guy who ran the goddamn 

1233
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:41,300
War for the first eight weeks of
it and they had planned Iraq. 

1234
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,400
Well, first there was a project 
for a New American Century 

1235
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,500
letter in 1998. 
Trying to get Clinton to go into

1236
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:53,500
Iraq, but Then on 9/11 Rumsfeld 
writes, a little memo to an 

1237
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:58,000
assistant to ask Paul wolfowitz 
to find evidence things related,

1238
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:03,600
and not to attach Saddam and 
Iraq to whatever was happening 

1239
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,600
before, you know, a hood Barack 
came out saying that we know Bin

1240
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:13,500
Laden is behind this. 
So in summary war, in 

1241
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:17,000
Afghanistan was not necessary. 
They could have coordinated with

1242
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,200
the Taliban, a separate group. 
From Al Qaeda to go after Al 

1243
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,100
Qaeda Bin Laden night 
specifically, right? 

1244
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:28,200
And remember, Bill Clinton as I 
was already rambling earlier in 

1245
01:08:28,207 --> 01:08:30,500
the interview. 
Bill Clinton had allied with the

1246
01:08:30,500 --> 01:08:33,700
Saudis and the pakistanis to 
support the talibans rise to 

1247
01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:37,300
power in Afghanistan. 
The only sees the capital city 

1248
01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:40,100
in 1996. 
This is just five years later. 

1249
01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:43,700
We're turning on them and 
betraying them when really 

1250
01:08:44,500 --> 01:08:45,500
mullah Omar. 
And listen. 

1251
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:48,800
There's a great book about this.
Anybody who doubts me, you got 

1252
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,600
to read while Well, first of 
all, it's all in Fool's errand, 

1253
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,200
but you can read this excellent 
book by these two Dutch 

1254
01:08:54,700 --> 01:09:01,200
journalist and researchers. 
It's then Lynn shoten and 

1255
01:09:01,300 --> 01:09:06,399
strick, then Lynn shoten, and 
strick, and it's called an 

1256
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:10,700
enemy. 
We created the myth of a Taliban

1257
01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:15,399
Al-Qaeda merger in Afghanistan 
because there never was one 

1258
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:18,399
there. 
Never was mullah Omar hated Bin 

1259
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:21,500
Laden as I don't know who coined
this phrase, but I love it and I

1260
01:09:21,508 --> 01:09:25,200
wish it was mine that a radical 
becomes a conservative, the 

1261
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,399
moment. 
He seizes the capital city, 

1262
01:09:27,700 --> 01:09:30,500
right, the Taliban one. 
Now. 

1263
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:33,800
They're going to try to get 
nuked by the USA, you know, try 

1264
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:38,800
to get into a war with the super
power because some crank from 

1265
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,800
Saudi Arabia thinks that's 
what's good for the people of 

1266
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,500
Afghanistan. 
And for the new fledgling 

1267
01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:47,100
regime. 
Thank you very much. 

1268
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:52,200
No, and and Omar had forbidden 
Bin Laden from making his 

1269
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,600
provocative statements. 
Forbidding him from launching 

1270
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:59,100
any attacks or authorizing any 
attacks been stricken. 

1271
01:09:59,100 --> 01:10:05,600
And Lynn shoten show that when 
mullah Omar demanded, that Bin 

1272
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,800
Laden come and give him an oath 
of Allegiance Bin, Laden sent an

1273
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,500
emissary and then gave him the 
oath. 

1274
01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:15,200
But it was deniable because it 
was some other guy. 

1275
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,500
And then there was a time where 
they met in. 

1276
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:22,600
Mullah Omar's back garden, and 
mullah Omar. 

1277
01:10:23,900 --> 01:10:26,600
I think he like left Bin Laden 
way over there and would only 

1278
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,900
like come just barely into the 
back Courtyard to address him 

1279
01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:35,200
and to like dress him down and 
tell him that, you know, he had 

1280
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,100
to knock off all of his bullshit
and whatever. 

1281
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:39,700
But like wouldn't even in other 
words wouldn't even Grace Bin 

1282
01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:41,300
Laden with his presence. 
Right? 

1283
01:10:41,300 --> 01:10:45,000
Like came into the same backyard
as him to say, hey, enough of 

1284
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,100
your crap, whatever, and then 
leave. 

1285
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:51,600
But without even like really 
making it a formal interpersonal

1286
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,500
interaction between the two and 
that there Was like important 

1287
01:10:54,500 --> 01:10:56,800
body language, right? 
That was like an important deal 

1288
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,700
like this, you know, and think 
about it like this too. 

1289
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:01,200
Right. 
The Taliban are a bunch of 

1290
01:11:01,208 --> 01:11:06,300
country bumpkins from, you know,
way way way back woods man, Bin 

1291
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:07,900
Laden's. 
The son of a billionaire. 

1292
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:11,800
He said internationally traveled
and cultured and educated man. 

1293
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,700
His right-hand man. 
Zawahiri or he was, he's dead. 

1294
01:11:14,700 --> 01:11:17,300
You know what I mean? 
Then his white, his right-hand, 

1295
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:19,900
man. 
Zawahiri was a man about town in

1296
01:11:19,900 --> 01:11:22,000
Cairo Egypt. 
He was a prominent, maybe the 

1297
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,300
most prominent surgeon, or very 
Prominent surgeon in Egypt. 

1298
01:11:25,300 --> 01:11:29,200
And you know, these guys as 
basically like a bunch of New 

1299
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:35,800
York Manhattan, you know, snooty
types coming to stay with their 

1300
01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:40,200
country bumpkin cousins out in 
North Carolina and can't help, 

1301
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:44,000
but look down on them and 
trash-talk them and insult them 

1302
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,800
and treat them, like the 
hillbillies that they are, 

1303
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,000
because that's how rich white 
people are. 

1304
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,600
Well, that's what Bin Laden was,
right? 

1305
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:55,900
He was like a rich Yuppie prick.
And so he treated mullah Omar 

1306
01:11:55,900 --> 01:11:59,900
and his people like crap and 
they felt that and resented the 

1307
01:11:59,900 --> 01:12:02,600
hell out of it. 
And, which means, then that 

1308
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,300
George w-- Bush and his 
government were lying their ass 

1309
01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:08,100
off. 
They were deliberately. 

1310
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,800
Remember 2001? 
Remember how they did this. 

1311
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:16,100
They lie right to your dad's 
face said, Taliban Al-Qaeda, 

1312
01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:18,100
Taliban Al-Qaeda Taliban, Al 
Qaeda. 

1313
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:20,700
The Taliban attacked us. 
We got to go and get them. 

1314
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:25,100
They knew they were lying. 
And then they Associated Saddam 

1315
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:28,300
with Al-Qaeda. 
And then which Jeffrey Goldberg 

1316
01:12:28,300 --> 01:12:31,400
still does by the way, even in 
his fake article. 

1317
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,700
I'm so sorry. 
I started the Iraq War. 

1318
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:39,100
So he he's hyperbolic and then 
says here's all the evidence 

1319
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:42,300
half of its blacked out with the
document so you can't even read 

1320
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:47,800
it and now and now they do it 
where it's like Iran is the 

1321
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,000
number one funder of terrorism, 
terrorism is the war against al 

1322
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,900
Qaeda. 
So now Al Is pretty much Iran as

1323
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:56,900
well. 
This is the trick. 

1324
01:12:56,900 --> 01:12:58,700
They keep. 
This is what they did to in. 

1325
01:12:58,900 --> 01:13:03,400
In Anthony part me. 
Antony blinken's confirmation 

1326
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,600
hearings in the Senate. 
I think it was Rubio. 

1327
01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:10,600
That said, do you agree that 
Iran is the world's greatest 

1328
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,900
State sponsor of terrorism and 
he says yes, of course. 

1329
01:13:13,700 --> 01:13:16,100
And like of course, nobody says,
oh yeah. 

1330
01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:18,900
Hey, why don't you give me one 
example, then? 

1331
01:13:18,900 --> 01:13:21,100
Huh? 
You mean like that time that 

1332
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:22,900
they threw an Isis guy off the 
roof. 

1333
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,300
Oof. 
Uh-huh. 

1334
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:27,200
Is that what you mean? 
When they defeated the Islamic 

1335
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,200
State that you built up your 
treacherous traitor? 

1336
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:39,600
Now, there has since the Iraq 
War has not been front and 

1337
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,700
center. 
There have been rumors of the US

1338
01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:44,900
government. 
Actually taking sides with 

1339
01:13:44,900 --> 01:13:47,800
Al-Qaeda after 9/11. 
It's one thing. 

1340
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,500
Well, they were Pals with the 
mujahideen to overthrow the 

1341
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:54,200
Soviets. 
They assisted them in Bosnia and

1342
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,800
Kosovo pre 9/11. 
Forget about it. 

1343
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:01,600
They assisted them in chechnya. 
Forget about it after 9/11, and 

1344
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,800
we know who Is we know the 
danger where I wore with them. 

1345
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,500
The I have heard about evidence 
of the u.s. 

1346
01:14:07,500 --> 01:14:10,300
Siding with Al-Qaeda. 
Do you have any evidence for 

1347
01:14:10,300 --> 01:14:14,600
this? 
Oh, well, yeah, you got the book

1348
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,700
in your hands. 
All right there, man, you know 

1349
01:14:16,700 --> 01:14:18,200
what happened? 
Got to that part yet. 

1350
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:23,700
I'm sorry, but but yes, so it 
is, it isn't enough already time

1351
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:25,800
to end the war on terrorism. 
Please summarize. 

1352
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:29,500
There's no obscenely long. 
A block quote that I hope the 

1353
01:14:29,500 --> 01:14:34,000
New Yorker, doesn't sue me over 
of Seymour Hersh from his great 

1354
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:37,200
article, the redirection and 
this is the key to the whole 

1355
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:38,700
thing. 
And anybody wants to understand 

1356
01:14:38,700 --> 01:14:40,100
what the hell's going on in the 
Middle East. 

1357
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:42,100
This is what you do. 
You just read that article. 

1358
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:43,800
It's funny. 
I brought that up to her Slater 

1359
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,600
and he's like, gnats, a bunch of
old crap. 

1360
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,400
Like, no, it's not do. 
This is a key to everything. 

1361
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,600
The man himself doesn't even get
it. 

1362
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,400
But I'm just telling you read 
what he wrote in that thing. 

1363
01:14:53,500 --> 01:14:57,000
Okay, and it's very easy. 
And I say this all the time, I 

1364
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,700
see where people get sick of me 
saying this all the time, which 

1365
01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:01,800
is great. 
That means finally, I'm getting 

1366
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:06,300
my point across to somebody. 
Okay, Bush jr. 

1367
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:11,800
Fought Iraq war to for Iran, 
then he said, oops. 

1368
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:15,600
And led by Za, make alleles odd 
and Elliott Abrams. 

1369
01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:23,800
He launched, what they call, the
redirection policy, which was to

1370
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,600
side with the Saudi king to tilt
back towards Saudi. 

1371
01:15:27,700 --> 01:15:29,500
I mean, they never really tilt 
it away from his body. 

1372
01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:33,200
They just really screwed up say,
listen to Paul wolfowitz and 

1373
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,500
didn't know what the hell to do.
Anyway, they've royally screwed 

1374
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:37,900
up. 
Everything in Iraq, by fighting 

1375
01:15:37,900 --> 01:15:41,700
it for their strategic 
adversaries, Iran, so to make up

1376
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:46,200
for that, they Went to tilt back
further towards Saudi and their 

1377
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,600
shock troops Al-Qaeda. 
And that's the whole thing of it

1378
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,000
is that Saudi doesn't really 
have a land Army that they can 

1379
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,300
field other than the US Army. 
So their shock troops are bunch 

1380
01:15:56,300 --> 01:15:59,800
of al-Qaeda terrorists. 
And you know, I got all the 

1381
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,700
evidences in the world about 
Syria. 

1382
01:16:02,100 --> 01:16:04,800
We start with Libya. 
Well, first of all and during W 

1383
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:09,100
bush, they started financing the
Muslim Brotherhood in Syria and 

1384
01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:12,700
Liz Cheney, of course took the 
lead in this When she was 

1385
01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:16,700
working for w-- bush in the 
state department in you know, 

1386
01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:19,900
working on building up 
opposition groups in Syria and 

1387
01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:23,500
Egypt. 
Particularly and in Syria that 

1388
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:28,800
meant the Muslim Brotherhood and
in Lebanon, they back to group 

1389
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,200
called fatah al-islam and I 
forgot the name of the other 

1390
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,900
one, but they were to Bin Laden.
I tore like kind of want to be 

1391
01:16:34,100 --> 01:16:37,000
small Bin Laden night type 
groups in Lebanon that they 

1392
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,500
tried to back against Hezbollah,
which I don't think when 

1393
01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:42,200
anywhere, because Hezbollah has 
an incredibly powerful. 

1394
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:45,300
In southern Lebanon there, 
they're not subject to some 

1395
01:16:45,700 --> 01:16:50,400
little stuff like that. 
But then they also started 

1396
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,000
backing. 
This is when they did the 

1397
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,700
redirection in Iraq, to The 
Awakening. 

1398
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,900
They started tilting back toward
the sunnis. 

1399
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,500
They made a deal with the Sunni 
tribes. 

1400
01:16:58,500 --> 01:17:00,800
That if you kill the al-Qaeda 
guys, the worst Al-Qaeda 

1401
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,500
terrorist types and ceasefire 
against us, then we'll try to 

1402
01:17:04,500 --> 01:17:07,400
integrate you into the new, you 
know, government which never 

1403
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,400
happened, of course, but that 
was, you know, the whole 

1404
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,600
Awakening movement. 
During the surge in 2007 and 8 

1405
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,400
there under David Petraeus in 
Iraq, and then, they also 

1406
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:22,900
started backing an array Nyan 
break off of the Turkish. 

1407
01:17:22,900 --> 01:17:26,400
Pkk called P. 
Jack the party for a free life 

1408
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:32,400
in Kurdistan in, in Iranian 
Kurdistan, and I'm not sure what

1409
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,300
whatever came of that. 
I don't think very much. 

1410
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:39,200
And then the worst part of this 
was a group of Bin Laden, lights

1411
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:43,000
in, Southeastern Iran in a 
region that they With Pakistan 

1412
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,500
called baluchistan. 
And this is a heavily Sunni area

1413
01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:52,800
and pretty radical area, you 
know, in terms of religion and 

1414
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,800
politics, I guess, and they 
started backing this group 

1415
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,500
called, jund Allah, their Mark 
Perry has written. 

1416
01:17:58,500 --> 01:18:01,200
It was actually see. 
It was actually Israeli Mossad 

1417
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:05,300
posing as CIA officers who 
carried out that part of it and 

1418
01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:07,900
supposedly Bush was pissed, but 
I don't know if that was a 

1419
01:18:07,907 --> 01:18:08,700
limited. 
Hang on her. 

1420
01:18:08,700 --> 01:18:09,300
What? 
Exactly? 

1421
01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:12,400
I know that there was a DIY DEA 
officer in American DEA A 

1422
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,800
officer who is being used by the
CIA as a cut out to deal with 

1423
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,600
these Jindal guys. 
And they even had Dan Rather go 

1424
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,600
over there and interview one of 
their leaders in like, this 

1425
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:25,400
weird kind of PR move. 
So that was part of that. 

1426
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:29,000
And they were real butchers. 
They, you know, murdered 

1427
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:34,400
kidnapped and murdered, and and 
attacked many different military

1428
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,600
Targets in Iran and, including 
tried to assassinate the 

1429
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,200
president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 
in. 

1430
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,100
I forgot what year. 
But on this, a Late, Bush years,

1431
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:51,300
2008, I think thing. 
Anyway, so Obama comes in and 

1432
01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:52,800
this is the mess. 
He inherits right. 

1433
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,300
Is that bush just turned Iraq 
into an Iranian colonies. 

1434
01:18:56,500 --> 01:18:59,200
Well, look, I overstay, I 
shouldn't overstate that. 

1435
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,600
They didn't put Iran's, you 
know, wholly-owned agents in 

1436
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,300
power just to Ron's best friends
that they could have possibly 

1437
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:10,200
found in the entire country of 
Iraq to get along with the 

1438
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,400
Ayatollah has so call that what 
you Want. 

1439
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:16,000
I mean, they're absolutely the 
Supreme Islamic Council led by 

1440
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,000
the al-hakim family and they 
dawa party. 

1441
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,700
I mean, these were guys who 
lived in Iran for 30 years from 

1442
01:19:22,700 --> 01:19:24,500
the time. 
Jimmy Carter hired Saddam to 

1443
01:19:24,500 --> 01:19:28,400
invade Iran till the time that 
George W bush invaded Iraq and 

1444
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:32,800
brought them in on his heels. 
And so, to try to make up for 

1445
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,300
that, they went to back in the 
al-Qaeda guys. 

1446
01:19:35,300 --> 01:19:40,600
And this meant, the first real, 
big one in the Obama years was 

1447
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:45,000
in Libya where The revolution 
there was started by guys who 

1448
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,400
were from the Libyan Islamic 
fighting group, who had gone and

1449
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:52,900
fought under zarqawi in Iraq, 
were too and they had been 

1450
01:19:53,700 --> 01:19:59,300
created by Libyan Veterans of 
the 1980s Afghan war in the 

1451
01:19:59,300 --> 01:20:01,000
1990s. 
They were recruited by the 

1452
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,400
British MI6, to try to kill 
Qaddafi. 

1453
01:20:03,900 --> 01:20:07,700
Many of them were living in, 
Manchester England had Safe 

1454
01:20:07,700 --> 01:20:12,000
Haven there in the meantime, and
then many of them had left. 

1455
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,900
From England, and especially 
from Libya from Far, Eastern, 

1456
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:18,700
Libya to go and fight in Iraq, 
war to Against The Americans as 

1457
01:20:18,700 --> 01:20:21,900
part of what was then called? 
Al-Qaeda in Iraq under zarqawi. 

1458
01:20:21,900 --> 01:20:25,100
Well, these are the guys, when 
they came back to Libya and 

1459
01:20:25,100 --> 01:20:30,500
started a war, Obama took their 
side and this is literally, you 

1460
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:35,000
know, two months before he 
killed Osama, and he's taken his

1461
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,200
side in North Africa and then, 
you know, they absolutely 

1462
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,100
destroyed the country. 
They created this terrible. 

1463
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,900
And honestly saw this in the 
blinking testimony, where you 

1464
01:20:44,900 --> 01:20:48,000
blame this all on Qaddafi, 
because Qaddafi didn't build up 

1465
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,500
a very big bureaucracy in 
government for anyone to take 

1466
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:53,300
over. 
And so when he was killed the 

1467
01:20:53,300 --> 01:20:56,400
country just kind of came apart.
So, wasn't America's fault for 

1468
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,200
starting a war and killing the 
guy. 

1469
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,500
It was his fault for not having 
built up a big enough state for 

1470
01:21:03,500 --> 01:21:07,500
them to seize control over and 
so instead, there's been 

1471
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:11,200
unending civil war in Syria, 
ever since that time, and 

1472
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:15,400
sometimes they We had a great 
success against Isis insert in 

1473
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:20,600
2016. 
Well, what the hell was Isis in 

1474
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:25,800
2011, it was the dormant, almost
completely extinct. 

1475
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,300
Al-Qaeda in Iraq that have been 
marginalized by. 

1476
01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:30,600
Those Sunni tribes in the Rocky 
Awakening. 

1477
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:37,100
They were the absolutely like 
roach end stubbed out done. 

1478
01:21:37,700 --> 01:21:44,200
What was left, barely breathing 
of al-Qaeda in Iraq in 2011 and 

1479
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:48,400
Obama comes and takes their side
and creates this giant War turns

1480
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,400
the entire country to chaos. 
And then I'm skipping ahead 

1481
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,000
here. 
But he helped do the same thing 

1482
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,000
in Syria. 
That ended up leading to 

1483
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,700
al-Qaeda in Iraq, then known as 
the Islamic State in Iraq, and 

1484
01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:03,000
then later the Islamic State in 
Iraq and Syria, Isis. 

1485
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:07,400
That's zarqawi's group aqi from 
Iraq, war to broke off from 

1486
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,900
Al-Qaeda, broke off from the 
Syrian faction of al-Qaeda and 

1487
01:22:10,900 --> 01:22:11,600
Ayman. 
Al-zawahri. 

1488
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,900
Here is a Authority and created 
the Islamic State in eastern 

1489
01:22:14,900 --> 01:22:18,200
Syria, in 2013, and then invaded
and conquered all the Western 

1490
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:22,600
Iraq in 2014. 
And that was the Islamic State 

1491
01:22:22,700 --> 01:22:26,800
that these men insert were 
claiming allegiance to American 

1492
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,900
made the damn thing and they 
want to claim that they had one 

1493
01:22:29,900 --> 01:22:32,000
Victory. 
Look, there was one time that 

1494
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,500
Al-Qaeda type guys, seized a 
city and we bomb the crap out of

1495
01:22:35,500 --> 01:22:39,200
them until they were gone. 
You know, yeah, it's at that. 

1496
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:41,000
We're the ones who put them 
there in the first place. 

1497
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,100
So, yeah, that doesn't really 
count. 

1498
01:22:43,300 --> 01:22:45,900
But anyway, so they, you know, 
just completely destroyed Libya 

1499
01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:48,500
and then they send as many 
jihadists and guns as they 

1500
01:22:48,500 --> 01:22:52,100
possibly could off to the next 
war in Syria. 

1501
01:22:52,700 --> 01:22:55,700
And as I cover in the book, this
is how Ambassador Stevens got 

1502
01:22:55,700 --> 01:22:59,400
killed in Benghazi in 2012. 
As a CIA, were working with the 

1503
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,600
qataris to ship. 
All these Fighters and weapons 

1504
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:08,500
off to Syria in the thousands of
tons and And then what had 

1505
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:10,300
happened was, though, the see 
the same CIA? 

1506
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:12,300
That was back in these 
terrorists in Libya. 

1507
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,400
They have the same CIA that was 
still waging a drone war in 

1508
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,800
Pakistan. 
And what they did was they 

1509
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,400
killed a guy in Pakistan name. 
Shaykh. 

1510
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,100
Yahya al-libi. 
Well, you might remember keep 

1511
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:27,200
them sure, you do that Dick 
Cheney had the CIA torture, a 

1512
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:31,300
man named shaky. 
Banal Libby in order to coerce 

1513
01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:34,900
him into making up lies, about 
Saddam Hussein, teaching 

1514
01:23:34,900 --> 01:23:38,500
Al-Qaeda, how to hijack are 
Planes and make chemical 

1515
01:23:38,500 --> 01:23:39,500
weapons. 
Uh-huh. 

1516
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:46,500
Yeah, right. 
Anyway, once shaky banal Libby. 

1517
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:48,400
Once they were done with him. 
They shipped them back to your 

1518
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,400
Qaddafi, who gave him the 
Arkansas side in a prison cell 

1519
01:23:51,700 --> 01:23:53,500
and got rid of him for us. 
Right? 

1520
01:23:53,500 --> 01:24:02,500
But then in 2012 in July of 
2012, CIA kills his brother in 

1521
01:24:02,500 --> 01:24:06,300
Pakistan and then right before 
September 11, like, early 

1522
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:08,500
September. 
And I'm an Al Saleh here. 

1523
01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:12,100
He puts out a podcast and he 
goes, you know, be funny would 

1524
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:15,000
be if you guys would kill the 
Americans that are working with 

1525
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,400
you there in East Libya to take 
revenge for my man. 

1526
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:23,500
Shaykh Yahya over here, which is
exactly what they did because 

1527
01:24:23,700 --> 01:24:26,500
just like with you know, all 
along the Americans, take in the

1528
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:29,100
side of these tears. 
It doesn't buy their loyalty. 

1529
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,900
It helps them to fight whoever 
they're in the middle of 

1530
01:24:31,900 --> 01:24:34,500
fighting of the time. 
It doesn't make them loyal 

1531
01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:37,000
American sacher apps right 
there. 

1532
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,100
Yeah. 
When they're not. 

1533
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,900
And so that was how Stephen 
Scott killed was, he was 

1534
01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:47,700
committing high treason and the 
people who he was fighting for 

1535
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:54,500
killed him and and they were 
involved in an operation to send

1536
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:58,100
weapons to Turkey, which Rand, 
Paul asked Hillary Clinton 

1537
01:24:58,100 --> 01:25:02,200
about. 
And she's, I think she still was

1538
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,400
not feeling well, so maybe she 
had simply forgotten about the 

1539
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,900
only perjury Keith felony. 
Perjury, buddy, they sent him to

1540
01:25:08,900 --> 01:25:11,000
Turkey, and then from Turkey to 
Syria. 

1541
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,900
You have mentioned, I did read 
the first draft of this book in 

1542
01:25:15,900 --> 01:25:19,600
there. 
You mentioned that there's a 

1543
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,800
Wiki leak email by a guy named 
Jake Sullivan. 

1544
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,500
What is important about the Jake
Sullivan, wikileak on Syria? 

1545
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,300
Okay. 
First of all, this is not a 

1546
01:25:29,308 --> 01:25:30,700
Wikileaks. 
It's on Wikileaks. 

1547
01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:33,300
You can find it there, but they 
just posted all the emails, but 

1548
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:35,700
this was not a leak to them. 
These were the ones that were 

1549
01:25:35,700 --> 01:25:38,900
posted by. 
Released by the state department

1550
01:25:38,900 --> 01:25:43,000
under the Freedom of Information
Act to Jason Leopold of BuzzFeed

1551
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,500
news. 
So sorry, you know, I had, I had

1552
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:47,800
fun making fun of him for this 
and he's an old friend of mine. 

1553
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,700
So I hope you take this in. 
Good Humor, Jason. 

1554
01:25:49,700 --> 01:25:52,200
I love you man, but he turned 
into one of the worst 

1555
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:55,800
ridiculous, Russia gate truthers
and then I had fun making fun of

1556
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,700
him and saying, well, I guess 
you're a Russian agent to since 

1557
01:25:58,700 --> 01:26:02,500
you're the one who released the 
vast majority of the most 

1558
01:26:02,500 --> 01:26:04,100
important Hillary Clinton 
emails. 

1559
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:08,600
Remember, first of all, there's 
no reason to even Suspect that 

1560
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,400
Russia did the DNC or the 
podesta hack. 

1561
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:15,100
That's all a bunch of crap. 
Okay, but remember that was the 

1562
01:26:15,108 --> 01:26:18,700
DNC and the podesta emails. 
There's just a few emails from 

1563
01:26:18,700 --> 01:26:23,700
Hillary to podesta in there. 
None of her in the DNC, her 

1564
01:26:23,700 --> 01:26:26,600
emails that we have that 
implicate her were released by 

1565
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:30,800
the state department and they 
implicate her severely in the 

1566
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:35,700
case of Libya and in Syria, and 
the email that you're talking 

1567
01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:38,900
about is Joe. 
New National Security advisor, 

1568
01:26:38,900 --> 01:26:41,800
Jake Sullivan, he was her 
right-hand man, for four years 

1569
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,300
at State. 
Her number one, most, reliable 

1570
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:46,900
Smithers guy, you know, out of 
everybody. 

1571
01:26:47,300 --> 01:26:51,300
And I forget his exact time. 
He was deputy secretary of state

1572
01:26:51,300 --> 01:26:53,700
or what, but he was like her 
number one, right hand, man. 

1573
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:59,600
So this is in early February 
2012. 

1574
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,900
One year into, well, probably 
nine months into American 

1575
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:07,800
support for the revolute and 
Allied support for the Rebellion

1576
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:14,300
Revolution, breaking out in 
Syria, and Sullivan sends 

1577
01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:17,900
Hillary an email that says, as 
part of it. 

1578
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:23,300
He says, on one final note, a 
queue is on our side in Syria. 

1579
01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:26,500
And it's just, he's just kind of
being cute, right? 

1580
01:27:26,500 --> 01:27:28,400
Like, he's not saying, whoa, 
boss. 

1581
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:32,400
I don't know man-woman thing. 
He's saying, hey, look here, 

1582
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,200
like, this is just kind of 
funny. 

1583
01:27:34,900 --> 01:27:40,100
Ironic get it, huh? 
That Al Qaeda is on our side. 

1584
01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:42,300
Well, what does that mean? 
It means we're on. 

1585
01:27:42,300 --> 01:27:43,500
Okay. 
Decide. 

1586
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,300
And what's the story? 
The story attaches, Reuters 

1587
01:27:46,300 --> 01:27:50,300
story Ayman al-zawahiri. 
The Butcher of New York City has

1588
01:27:50,300 --> 01:27:54,300
endorsed the revolution in Syria
and demands at all. 

1589
01:27:54,300 --> 01:27:57,600
Good Muslims, go to Syria to 
fight and kill, Bashar al-assad 

1590
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,700
and his government. 
So, now, two weeks later, 

1591
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:08,300
February the 27th. 28 think it's
the 27th Keith. 

1592
01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:13,800
She goes on CBS and she's 
interviewed by guy named Wyatt 

1593
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:18,700
and he says to her Hainan. 
How come we're not doing more to

1594
01:28:18,700 --> 01:28:21,600
overthrow Bashar al-assad. 
That was the narrative, right? 

1595
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,800
That Obama is reluctant to go 
far enough. 

1596
01:28:25,100 --> 01:28:28,400
Well, she was of course, a real 
Hawk on the issue and spent the 

1597
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,700
rest of that year, her last 
year, as his secretary of state,

1598
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:33,900
pushing for more and more and 
more. 

1599
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,000
Along these lines as she, you 
know, later Bragdon. 

1600
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:41,500
Boasted, but at this time, she's
the secretary of state. 

1601
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:44,800
She's the subordinate here and 
she's being put in a position 

1602
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:49,100
where she has to defend Barack 
Obama's policy of not going 

1603
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:51,600
ahead and carpet bombing 
Damascus, right? 

1604
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,000
So so what's the deal? 
Miss Secretary of State? 

1605
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:56,600
Mr. Secretary State? 
Why aren't we doing this? 

1606
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,000
She says, we'll look here's the 
thing. 

1607
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,100
I'm in all the way here. 
He has endorsed the revolution 

1608
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:05,400
in Syria. 
She's clearly referring to this 

1609
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,000
email in this story. 
She got from Jake Sullivan. 

1610
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,100
Al Qaeda is supporting the 
revolution in Syria. 

1611
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,700
Are we supporting al-Qaeda in 
Syria? 

1612
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,800
And then she says some Moss, 
which they didn't really 

1613
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:18,900
intervene. 
They didn't really have anything

1614
01:29:18,900 --> 01:29:20,400
to do with it. 
But she says, Hamas, has 

1615
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,200
endorsed the revolution in Syria
or we supporting Hamas. 

1616
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,100
Well, they weren't there, but 
whatever. 

1617
01:29:25,500 --> 01:29:28,600
But she's saying, look, these 
are groups that we certainly. 

1618
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:29,600
Okay? 
Do em. 

1619
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,300
Yeah, and now to be generous, 
you don't have to be kooky about

1620
01:29:33,300 --> 01:29:34,900
this at all. 
You can be totally as Occam's 

1621
01:29:34,900 --> 01:29:37,400
razor as possible steel man 
argument, right? 

1622
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,300
There's no point in embellishing
the story, right? 

1623
01:29:40,300 --> 01:29:42,900
She was not talking about 
directly, putting hands into the

1624
01:29:42,900 --> 01:29:44,800
guns of terrorists in that 
moment. 

1625
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,100
Anyway, Right. 
She was a rhetorical flourish. 

1626
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,600
She was saying essentially the 
same thing that anybody could 

1627
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:55,700
say, which is if there's a civil
war breaking out and Al-Qaeda is

1628
01:29:55,700 --> 01:30:01,400
firmly for one side. 
Then if we also support that 

1629
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:08,500
same side, then there's had the 
very least a severe risk that we

1630
01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:13,000
would be empowering our enemies.
Now, we would be doing something

1631
01:30:13,100 --> 01:30:17,800
that they would find favorable. 
Well, okay, let's let's, let's 

1632
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,400
define it as narrowly as 
innocently as possible, right? 

1633
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,800
There's no need to embellish. 
She's just saying. 

1634
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,300
Look, man. 
If Al Qaeda wants a war in 

1635
01:30:26,300 --> 01:30:29,600
Syria, and we're helping start 
one and J's, huh? 

1636
01:30:30,300 --> 01:30:33,600
And then she also says, and this
is two days after the friends of

1637
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,900
Syria meeting. 
She goes, you know, when we look

1638
01:30:36,900 --> 01:30:39,500
for a bunch of syrians that we 
could put in power instead. 

1639
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:45,300
We don't see that we don't see 
anyone who could fit the bill to

1640
01:30:45,300 --> 01:30:46,600
replace. 
It's the state of in other 

1641
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:50,400
words, if Assad Falls, the 
baath, party Falls, the baath 

1642
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:54,300
state Falls, we'd have to put a 
whole new state up. 

1643
01:30:55,300 --> 01:30:58,400
There's nobody to do it with. 
There's we can't do it. 

1644
01:30:58,500 --> 01:31:01,400
Well, she went on supporting 
that policy for the rest of the 

1645
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,400
year. 
And, you know, as late as 2016. 

1646
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,500
She still did in her 
presidential campaign. 

1647
01:31:06,500 --> 01:31:09,900
She wanted a no-fly zone over 
Syria to protect Al-Qaeda from 

1648
01:31:09,900 --> 01:31:12,700
Russia, so that they can 
continue the war against Bashar 

1649
01:31:12,700 --> 01:31:15,400
al-assad. 
And that's interesting because 

1650
01:31:15,500 --> 01:31:18,500
Was Biden, said the same thing 
in Harvard? 

1651
01:31:18,500 --> 01:31:21,600
We giving a speech he goes. 
Well, we're always thinking 

1652
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,600
there's a James Madison or a 
Thomas Jefferson somewhere. 

1653
01:31:24,900 --> 01:31:29,300
Unfortunately, we had to side 
with job at all Nostra in in 

1654
01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:32,500
Syria to go against Assad and 
then Rand Paul brings us up to 

1655
01:31:32,500 --> 01:31:35,500
Marco Rubio. 
He goes there's no Congressional

1656
01:31:35,500 --> 01:31:38,400
authorization to, you know, go 
overthrow Assad. 

1657
01:31:38,700 --> 01:31:42,900
However, there is authorization 
to side with Assad against al 

1658
01:31:42,900 --> 01:31:44,800
Qaeda in Syria. 
I'm not saying we should do 

1659
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,800
that, but Is and he goes Ron, 
Paul Rand Paul is an 

1660
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,900
isolationist. 
That was in a Russian spy. 

1661
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,300
That's his response to. 
Let's not fund Al-Qaeda people. 

1662
01:31:56,300 --> 01:31:59,900
We we waged a war on it. 
We also have a guy who has been 

1663
01:31:59,900 --> 01:32:02,100
on your show who I know you have
disowned. 

1664
01:32:02,100 --> 01:32:06,200
Michael Sawyer on CNN saying, 
you know, what's important? 

1665
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,700
We reconsider intervening in 
Libya. 

1666
01:32:08,900 --> 01:32:12,300
These are people we would call 
the mujahideen in any sort of 

1667
01:32:12,308 --> 01:32:14,900
for so let's not side with them,
right? 

1668
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,600
And And yeah, and I do cite that
in the book too on Libya and 

1669
01:32:18,608 --> 01:32:21,200
anybody can type that in just 
type in Michael Sawyer, CNN, 

1670
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,600
Libya, 2011, and you'll laugh 
your ass off. 

1671
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,400
I mean it's a riot because he is
such a humorless bastard, right?

1672
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,400
Like the way that he's dealing 
with them is just hilarious 

1673
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,700
because they're like these kind 
of Obama bought women anchors 

1674
01:32:33,700 --> 01:32:35,600
who don't really know anything 
about it. 

1675
01:32:35,700 --> 01:32:38,700
And so they start off the 
interview Goin wowee. 

1676
01:32:38,700 --> 01:32:42,500
You're a CIA man. 
So things that you say are true 

1677
01:32:42,500 --> 01:32:45,700
and we listen to you and then he
starts saying all, He's 

1678
01:32:45,700 --> 01:32:49,300
reasonable things about why we 
ought to not be doing this and 

1679
01:32:49,300 --> 01:32:52,300
they start getting upset with 
him now like well, but yeah, but

1680
01:32:52,300 --> 01:32:53,800
the narrative is supposed to be 
either. 

1681
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:57,000
This is what we want and Obama 
wouldn't be doing this if it 

1682
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,500
wasn't the right thing to do, 
right? 

1683
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:00,300
And he eventually gets all mad 
and goes. 

1684
01:33:00,500 --> 01:33:03,000
Yeah, you're just carrying water
for mr. 

1685
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,800
Obama, you know what that truth?
You just got your little 

1686
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:09,200
narrative and they're like, 
well, we just take offense at 

1687
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,900
that and whatever it's like ya 
know. 

1688
01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:15,400
What is the former Chief of the 
cia's bin Laden unit know about 

1689
01:33:15,500 --> 01:33:19,000
Out what wars you ought to not 
start if you know, what's good 

1690
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,800
for you? 
Yeah, we shouldn't listen to 

1691
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,500
that. 
You know, and you're right that 

1692
01:33:22,500 --> 01:33:25,200
I did something because since 
then he's moved far too. 

1693
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:28,000
I wouldn't have seen the rest. 
He's just gotten crazy. 

1694
01:33:28,100 --> 01:33:32,000
And it's called for full scale, 
genocide against all, Muslims, 

1695
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,500
and Arabs, and God knows was so 
screw. 

1696
01:33:34,500 --> 01:33:36,700
You, man. 
Can sure you can take the man 

1697
01:33:36,700 --> 01:33:39,400
LSD, man, blow your mind and 
get, right. 

1698
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:41,800
You can take the man out of the 
CIA. 

1699
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:45,300
Can't take the CIA out of the 
man, sir, and not already time 

1700
01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:48,500
to And the war on terrorism 
Scott, best place to buy the 

1701
01:33:48,500 --> 01:33:51,400
book. 
It's amazon.com right now in 

1702
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,300
Kindle and paperback soon 
enough. 

1703
01:33:53,300 --> 01:33:56,400
You'll be able to get it from, 
you know, Kobo and Barnes and 

1704
01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:00,000
Noble and all those other places
and starting this weekend. 

1705
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,600
I'm going to start recording on 
the audio book for you guys, but

1706
01:34:03,900 --> 01:34:06,200
judging, by last time, that's 
going to take a while. 

1707
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:11,200
It's a lot more difficult to do 
than I would think anyway, so 

1708
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:13,800
it's going to be probably two or
three months at the lease before

1709
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,300
I get the audio book out, but 
I'm working. 

1710
01:34:15,500 --> 01:34:18,600
Hard on it. 
And let me say real quick, one 

1711
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:20,900
more thing about the book, which
is, if people read Fool's 

1712
01:34:20,900 --> 01:34:23,300
errand. 
I understand that thing really 

1713
01:34:23,300 --> 01:34:26,700
reads a lot like a PhD thesis 
and so for people who are really

1714
01:34:26,700 --> 01:34:29,600
into it, they're really into it.
But for a lot of people, it's 

1715
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,000
just so many names and dates and
places, and things that it makes

1716
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,300
it, you know, a pretty difficult
read. 

1717
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:38,700
But in enough already, I've 
tried to make it really a lot 

1718
01:34:38,700 --> 01:34:40,500
easier. 
It's not full of footnotes. 

1719
01:34:40,500 --> 01:34:43,300
There's plenty of references in 
the text, but there's not 

1720
01:34:43,300 --> 01:34:46,500
numbered footnotes all 
throughout the Text interrupting

1721
01:34:46,500 --> 01:34:50,500
the flow of the read and, you 
know, it was made to be for you 

1722
01:34:50,500 --> 01:34:53,900
Keith and for your people to 
give to their people rest. 

1723
01:34:53,900 --> 01:34:55,600
I don't want this to be a 
Libertarian book. 

1724
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,400
I want to be an American book. 
I wanted to get out there. 

1725
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:02,300
I want to change the minds of 
liberals and conservatives and 

1726
01:35:02,300 --> 01:35:05,400
Republicans and Democrats and 
Town and Country and coast to 

1727
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,900
coast and everybody. 
And just the I know, I mean, I'm

1728
01:35:08,900 --> 01:35:11,000
not crazy here. 
It's just a marginal thing. 

1729
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:15,100
But if I can have, if this book 
can have even a marginal place 

1730
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:18,100
in the Debate in this country 
over what we're doing where I 

1731
01:35:18,108 --> 01:35:19,700
want. 
I want people to be able to say,

1732
01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:21,600
you know, there's this new book 
that says we can just call this 

1733
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:23,800
shit off right now, right? 
There's this new book that 

1734
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:27,200
basically says, you ought to 
read a it says, yeah, we don't 

1735
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,800
have to do it like this. 
It doesn't have to be this way. 

1736
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,800
It's animal and 
counterproductive. 

1737
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:35,300
I'm sorry. 
It's evil and counterproductive.

1738
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:40,700
It's not just, we can write and 
so, you know, I really hope and 

1739
01:35:40,700 --> 01:35:42,800
I've had people tell me, it's 
kind of a page Turner. 

1740
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,800
It's easy to read. 
It's not so thick like A Fool's 

1741
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:48,200
errand kind of a turn-off like 
Fool's errand. 

1742
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,500
And so I really hope that people
like it. 

1743
01:35:50,500 --> 01:35:54,100
And I hope that you know, that 
that they'll agree that this is 

1744
01:35:54,100 --> 01:35:56,900
the kind of thing that they can 
pass on to the rest of their own

1745
01:35:56,900 --> 01:36:01,000
people to really get the word 
out, and change the way things 

1746
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:04,300
are enough already time to end 
the war on terrorism. 

1747
01:36:04,300 --> 01:36:05,400
Thank you for watching Keith 
Knight. 

1748
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:06,400
Don't try it on anyone.