Welcome to Keith Knight, Don't tread on Anyone in the
Libertarian Institute. Today I'm joined by Doctor Ken
Berry. Check out his work at
doctorberry.com. Links will be in the description
below. Mr. Berry, please remind me of
the name of your book that everyone should read.
Well, I have three books. Probably my most popular is
called Lies My Doctor Told Me and that one's been out for a
few years now and is very contrarian in its tone and its
flavor and I think your audience would probably really enjoy
that. I also have one called Kicking
Ass After 50 for men and women who are over 50.
And then also Common Sense Labs, because so many doctors don't
know what labs they actually need to order to uncover
metabolic disease. And we've got a couple more
we're working on that we can talk about in a few in a year or
two. Awesome.
So when it comes to lies, my doctor told me before getting
into the specific deceptions, how is it that so many experts
in a certain field could be wrong about something and all
wrong in the same direction? Well, we see this in many
fields, don't we, Keith? We see this in economics
constantly. Obviously the mainstream
economic narrative. Now, I think you and I would
both agree is completely and horribly incorrect thinking that
inflation is due to price gouging and foolishness like
that. But the the vast majority of, of
economists who would go on CNN or MSNBC would say, Oh yes, it's
that price gouging. We all know that's foolishness.
That same exact thing is happening in medic medicine, in
nutrition, in Physiology. People get very popular pushing
a certain narrative, and that narrative is very financially
beneficial to certain people. And before you know it, that's
the that's the mainstream narrative in medicine and
nutrition. And we've seen this multiple
times. And this is not a a modern
thing. This has been happening since
there's been any kind of mainstream communication device.
So this basically started with newspapers back however many
years ago. If you could, if you could be
best friends with the reporter or you could support this the
reporter, or you could donate to some charity that the reporter
was really fond of, then it's human nature, right?
It's human nature to be like, I like that guy.
I'm going to, I'm going to give him a little sweeter deal in
this interview than I would give anybody else that it's, it's,
it's bureaucratic institutional creep, that's what.
And it happens in every facet of human life.
Interesting bureaucratic institutional creep.
I love that. Because if you say, well, we
should trust the experts. So if Raytheon and the CIA tell
us we need to go to war, well then let's just trust them.
Let's not be skeptical of it. You say, well, all right, yes,
they're the experts, but they have a very heavy, heavily
invested monetary incentive to lie in One Direction.
Or if you say atheists, stop questioning religion.
Theologians are experts, and they've looked into this.
All the priests, all the rabbi's, all the imams have
declared there is a God. Stop.
They're like, well, yeah, but So what?
Screw those experts. There's something about health
experts where it's seen as OK, These are a different type of
experts because science is objective.
You look at studies, you engage in isolating variables.
Are health experts someone that should be treated differently
for that reason? Or do you think health experts
like Anthony Fauci are just as likely to be corrupt as anyone
else? If, if health experts are doing
their job properly, then I think that they, they, it's probably
in our collective best interest to kind of give them difference.
But the problem is, is that when a health expert, whether that's
a MDPHDDO, whatever, when they say something that's not
correct, they should be immediately and forcefully
rebutted. But where we're at in medicine
and nutrition is the same place we are in economics is when
somebody tweaks the the narrative and, and it helps
their buddies financially or it helps their cause, whether it's
ethical, moral or religious. And nobody kicks back right then
what you wind up with is you, you find yourself in a dilemma.
So back in the 1950s and 60s or when the, that's when the
doctors really should have started standing up and saying,
look, pharmaceuticals definitely play a role in helping people be
healthier, but they are not the end all be all.
Your metabolic health matters. What you eat matters.
How you live your life matters. But now nobody really spoke up.
And so now we're decades down the road.
And then when you stand up and you say something publicly like,
you know, fluoridated water is, that's stupid and probably
harmful. Or you say, you know, eating
breakfast cereal that literally contains nothing except ground
up grains, sugar and vegetable seed oils.
That's bad for your health. It you, we've waited too long to
stand up and speak out. So now you come across and at
least initially as a kook, as a quack, as a as a conspiracy
theorist, because what you're saying is so outside of
Overton's window that people are like, what the hell is this guy
even talking about? Lucky Charms, Doctor Berry
saying not only a lucky charm is not good for you, he's calling
it slow poison. What kind of crazy rhetoric is
that? That's dangerous rhetoric.
You know, poor people, they've got to eat something.
So Lucky Charms is better than nothing.
I doubt that. But, and so do you see my point?
And we see this in economics when Rand Paul or Thomas Woods
or Thomas Massie, when they say something that's absolutely
factual about economics, just just it's just one plus one is
2. They have let the narrative slip
for so many decades that they sound kind of kooky to the
average person just consuming corporate media.
And that's where we're at in medicine.
And so increasingly, I think you're seeing doctors stand up
now that we have this wonderful tool of social media, you're
seeing doctors start to stand up and say, hey, actually this is
all a bunch of bullshit. We got to do something about
this. And I, I think you're, you're
going to increasingly see that whether whatever happens with
the election, which is today as we record this, whatever happens
with that, I think that Overton's window has been moved
enough that it is now acceptable for doctors to talk about
nutrition, to talk about water fluoridation, to talk about blue
light, to talk about all these things.
I think we've moved the window enough now where we can talk
about that without being immediately labeled a conspiracy
kook. And that's why I was willing to
look into alternative methods of getting in shape when I was 290
lbs not too long ago. 18 months ago I believe I was 290 lbs.
For people curious, they will almost universally say we need a
minimum wage, as if that doesn't hurt the people with the fewest
skills and the least amount of experience to get their foot in
the door to get on the job experience and demand higher
wages. Plus, you know, monopolies are
bad. They lead to lower quality and
higher prices than you'd otherwise have.
Also, the state should monopolize compulsory education.
The state should monopolize the money supply.
The state should monopolize the judicial system and have a
monopoly on guns, by the way. Also that that, that that could
that that could never go wrong. And what what's funny is you
brought up minimum wage. I actually wrote a letter to the
editor of our tiny little newspaper when I was 17 years
old. They were trying to raise the
minimum wage from, I think it was, I don't remember, 285 an
hour to 335 an hour. And I wrote a letter to the
editor. Even as a teenager, I was like,
don't you see what that's going to do?
That's not going to get any of the things that you want.
And I, I wish I had a copy of that letter and, and just to see
what, how my 17 year old self worded that.
But the, there are so many things that they sound
beneficial. They sound loving and caring and
supportive, but the the real world, whether it come whether
it's economics, nutrition, medicine, whatever, whatever the
field of specialty is the nature, the real world doesn't
give a damn about your feelings. Things are they either make
sense and they work or they don't make sense and they don't
work. It's just like with your your
weight loss. I'm sure you tried multiple
things that you saw advertised in mainstream the corporate
media that you saw advocated in the corporate media and they may
have worked temporarily, but was it a long term solution?
No, obviously not. It wasn't.
It was complete and utter bullshit.
And I think that we all need to start vocally, publicly calling
out bullshit every time we see it so that people like you, your
former self, I weighed 297 at my healthiest, so I had to beat by
a little bit. But if if you could go back in
time to your former fat self and my former fat self and say, hey,
it's, this is simple. If you follow the basic laws of
nature, Physiology, biochemistry, human nature, and
eat the following things and stop eating these things, you'll
just the way they'll just start to fall off.
If we had known that and somebody had told us that we
would have had a choice at that moment.
We would have had a choice between the truth and what
actually works and bullshit. That's going to make somebody
some money, but it's really not going to serve us in the long
term at all. That's that's another
contradiction. They get us what they're like.
You need to be empowered. And by that we mean vote once
every four years between two line politicians.
Well, I want school choice and I want a diet that isn't going to
make me obese. No, that's not the kind of
choice we're talking about. I want to look specifically at
this criminal conspiracy is what I refer to it as the food
pyramid in every single classroom.
When I was growing up, you had pictures of the president's, a
copy of the Constitution and the food pyramid.
Let's look at this. What it this is the USDA's food
pyramid. By the way, this is not just
something I'm came up with on alexjones.com or anything.
What, if anything, is wrong with what we're seeing in front of
us? Please walk us through it.
Well, pretty much everything is wrong with this.
The USDA has now replaced the pyramid with the my Plate, which
effectively gives the same message.
My good friend Nina Taichoz wrote it, wrote a book called
The Big Fat Lie, I think is what it's called, where she goes in
detail with documentation as to how the food pyramid came about
and when the when the nutrition experts initially got it
together, when they got finished with it, they're like, OK, we
think you should eat three to five servings of, of whole
grains a day. And then they proceeded to turn
it over to the big AG lobbyists. This is a true story.
This is documented. You can look this up and said,
hey, how would you? What would you do?
Well, how would you tweak this? And of course, the big AG
lobbyist said there's not nearly enough servings of whole grains,
wheat, rice, oats and corn, which are commodities.
They're not, That's not they're not even actually foods.
They're commodities. OK.
And so then it came back, oh, you need 6 to 11 servings of
whole grains a day. And for anybody like you
previously or me previously who's obese, that's going to
lead to nothing but worsening obesity, worsening
hyperinsulinemia, worsening metabolic syndrome, and
ultimately a painful life and A and A and a hasten's death.
That's what's that's going to lead to.
It wasn't based on any meaningful science, even back
then. And I would disagree with the
three to five servings of whole grains a day.
But I vehemently disagree with six to 11 servings of whole
grains a day. So whole grains you're talking
about bread, pasta. What else?
What else is whole grain? Anything made of wheat, rice,
oats and corn, those are the major grains or seeds that in
America that we eat. There are obviously others in
other countries, but these things are commodities that are
sold on the commodities market. These are, if you even call them
food, you should. You should refer to them as
starvation foods, fall back foods, prisoner foods.
They're much better than literally starving to death.
But in no way do wheat, rice, oats, and corn in any way
optimize your health whatsoever. They are full of starch.
Starch breaks down into sugar when you eat a a bowl of rolled
oats that you had to cook on the stove for two days.
I'm not even talking about the instant oats with strawberries
and cream and flavour added. I'm talking about the real
stuff. When you eat it, before you even
swallow it, you're starting to break the starch down into
sugar. By the time it reaches your
bloodstream, you might as well have eaten a bowl of Lucky
Charms. There's no difference.
Corn is the same exact way. It's just long molecules of
sugar put together in the form of starch.
Wheat is just as bad. Now, we're not even going to get
into the inflammatory phytochemicals they contain.
We can if you want to. We're not even going to talk
about the glyphosate that's sprayed on all of them before
you, before they get to the supermarket, right.
Oats are wheat, rice, oats, and corn.
Those are if. If everybody listening to this
would just remove the added sugar from their diet, remove
the wheat, rice, oats, and corn, and remove the vegetable seed
oils from the diet, their body would immediately start to heal.
Because just like every other animal on planet earth, our
default setting is healthy. If it weren't, we'd be extinct
as a species. Our default setting is healthy.
Only the degree to which you slowly poison your body, do you
make it sick and do you keep it from healing.
And so that millions of people now all around the world have
watched my YouTube videos. And initially their their
thought might be like, this guy's full of crap.
There's no way that just doing this is going to improve my
health. And then they come back 36912
months later and leave a comment on my video to the effect of, Oh
my God, you were exactly right When I finally tried this.
It works. Yeah, that's because of your
default setting is good health. So the reason that is so
important for people to know is I did not know that and I said
how the hell am I so overweight? I don't eat cake and I don't eat
sugary sodas. So I must just need smaller
portions, which they always told me.
You'll be shocked to find out that smaller portions made me
really hungry and pissed off and I couldn't even sleep.
So it's. Called starvation.
Like telling a crack addict. All right, here's the goal.
Stop smoking crack. OK, Ted.
Like no. That's that's so impossible to
do When what? They're saying is they were just
saying to you, oh, Keith, just smoke crack in moderation.
Just have a small serving of crack like that's going to work
with a crack act. Yeah.
Just unbelievable. OK, so let me throw some logic
at you. Tell me what if anything, is
wrong with this? Fat in foods is what makes you
fat, thus a low fat diet will make you thin.
What, if anything, is wrong with that logic?
Everything's wrong with that logic.
Human beings are so susceptible to logical fallacies, and we're
also we're susceptible to things that rhyme.
This is in the psychological research.
This is not debatable. If you eat fat, you'll get fat.
See how that's a little poem easy to remember?
Boom, people are going to latch on to that because everybody's
busy, everybody is, is stressed. They're looking for easy things
to remember. And so low fat will help you
lose fat. See how that rhymes?
It's a it's a cute little poem, but it's completely false.
And only if you understand the underlying Physiology and
biochemistry of the human body. Do you realize that's not how it
works at all? That's not even close to
correct. It's kind of like the old
commercial where they showed pouring grease down a drain and
how it clogs up the drain, right?
Well, first of all, our bodies not a drain pipe.
Secondly, our body is at body temperature, not room
temperature. It's like literally that did
that is a completely ignorant analogy, but people could see
that, they could understand that immediately.
They're like, so I need to use soybean and canola oil because
they're liquid at room temperature.
Like that somehow matters at all to human biochemistry.
OK, so it's not fat that makes you fat.
If I look at a hamburger, I'll see a very heavy Patty, which
has juices coming out of it, and I'll see bread.
OK, We've we've gone over how bread breaks down into sugar and
that makes you fat. Would you say that beef patties
are something that we should avoid because they look real
fatty and juicy and they're heavy, so they would add weight
to us? What if anything's wrong with
that thinking? Yeah.
So if, if anything, the only thing that you should eat out of
a McDonald's value meal is the beef Patty, you should throw
everything else away and eat the beef Patty only.
And that's a This is Nisha and my wife and I, we came up with
beef, butter, bacon and eggs because we're honoring human
nature. People love a little poem that
almost sounds like a haiku or something, right?
Beef, butter, bacon and eggs. How many syllables is that?
Is it? Could that be a haiku?
I'm not sure, but so people latch on to that and initially
when you hear that eat nothing but beef, butter, bacon and
eggs, that sounds like a heart attack waiting to happen.
People don't realize that the leading cause of heart attack is
uncontrolled pre diabetes and uncontrolled type 2 diabetes.
Whether you're on medication or not, that's the leading cause of
heart attack. And so when you eat nothing but
beef, butter, bacon and eggs for 90 days, you're not spiking your
blood sugar, you're not spiking your insulin, you're lowering
the levels of inflammation in your body.
And that's why you'll see comments on my beet butter
baking and eggs video that are four years old, people coming
back around saying, holy crap, when I finally gave this a try,
it worked. And also I wasn't starving all
the time because I wasn't starving myself.
Anytime that a dietitian or doctor says, hey, you know, you
just, you need to, you need to, to move more and eat less.
That's the literal definition of starvation.
So what they're effectively telling you to do is to begin
starving yourself and to starve yourself for the rest of your
natural life. That's what, that's what move
more, eat less is it's, it's long term semi starvation.
There is. And so a lot of people then they
try that and they lose 10 lbs and then a month later they they
fall off that that diet. And they blame themselves.
This is the thing that really pisses me off is that people
don't, they don't blame the guru who told them, oh, it's all
about calories in, calories out. They blame themselves.
They're like, oh, I'm a loser. I don't have enough willpower.
I don't have enough gumption. And that's no, that's not true.
You were given the wrong game plan.
It would, you were destined to fail if you tried to do that.
You were never going to succeed. That's the thing that I'm trying
to get out there is that it's like, I don't care how much you
love that guru. I don't care how many books
they've sold. If what they're telling you is
to semi starve yourself for the rest of your life, you cannot do
that there. Nobody has enough willpower to
do that. Nobody has enough stamina to do
that for for more than a month or two or three.
You're not a failure. You were just given the wrong
game plan. What does being in ketosis mean?
So ketosis is a it's a very complicated biochemical thing
that the vast majority of people don't understand, and most
doctors don't understand it either.
What it's going to turn out once we've done all the research is
keep being in ketosis is probably the default setting for
human beings. We were probably in ketosis for
the majority of our time on this planet.
What it means is, is you're preferentially burning fat,
ketones, triglycerides, fatty acids for fuel instead of
predominantly burning glucose for fuel.
And So what? So if you're not a dietitian and
you haven't you forgotten your human Physiology?
You're like, I don't even know what, what, what, what makes you
being ketosis? What do you eat?
I don't know what, where does glucose come from?
Because it, you know, most people, if you say glucose,
they're like, oh, cake pie, I cookies, I, you know, pancakes,
syrup, I get it. But the problem is as many
people don't under, they don't get it completely.
So probably in your case, Keith, you're probably like, OK, I cut
out all the sweets. I'm not losing any weight.
And that's because they don't understand that bread is pure
sugar. Potatoes are literally pure
sugar. And so a lot of people have a
sweet tooth. I'm one of those people.
I'm a sugar addict, but many people don't have a sweet tooth.
They much prefer the savory pizza or potatoes or bread, you
know, and, and they think, well, I'm not eating any sugar at all.
But literally 90% of their diet is sugar.
And they don't even know that because all the, the bread, the
pizza crust, the the tortillas, all that stuff breaks down
immediately into pure sugar in your body.
You might as well have just eaten a Jelly doughnut.
There's no difference. And so when you cut the sugar,
adding sugar for for sure, but also any source of starch in
your diet, from bread to potatoes to pizza crust to
tortillas, when you cut all the sources of sugar out, then you,
your body can shift gears and start burning ketones for fuel.
And we really haven't found an exception to this yet.
Pretty much every cell we've studied can burn ketones.
There's a very few cells that we think cannot, but the vast
majority of your cells can burn ketones.
So you're in ketosis. This lowers your insulin level,
which is basically the hormone that prevents you from losing
fat as long as your insulin is high and it stays high.
If you're eating too much sugar or too much starch, you're not
going to be able to get rid of stored fat on your body.
And that's why so many people, they're like, I cut out all the,
the I cut out Lucky Charms and I cut out drinking Pepsi for
breakfast. Now I'm having a big bowl of
Special K and a glass of fresh squeezed orange juice.
This is what I call the false choice.
They the, it is at 1% less bad what they're doing, but it's
never going to help them reverse their obesity or their type 2
diabetes because it's still pure sugar.
It's just been health washed, you know, Special K Oh, that's
that's super healthy. And then fresh squeezed non-GMO
organic orange juice. What could be healthier than
that? That's just that you might as
well drink the Coca-Cola and sprinkle some vitamin C in it.
It's literally the same thing. How does sugar make you fat?
Can you walk me through the biological explanation?
So if I have 1000 calories of Coca-Cola, that is going to make
me fatter than 1000 calories of beef.
Or is the beef? Just more satiating.
It's all that. And so the a surprise, surprise,
molecular biology and biochemistry and Physiology is
complicated. It's really hard to to come up
with a little rhyme or little Jingle that explains it all.
It's hard to explain it in a 32nd sound bite.
And so anytime somebody tries to do that, you should, you should
view them with suspicion. When you eat sugar, whether it's
Lucky Charms or whether it's whole grain, non-GMO bread,
you're like homemade bread. Homemade bread, Oh my God, it's
still sugar. It breaks down into sugar in
your body. That causes a blood sugar spike,
which then causes an insulin spike.
You're now let's get this straight first because a lot of
people don't know this. Your body, your liver, can make
as much sugar as your body needs.
You don't have to eat any carbohydrates in your diet.
No sugar. You don't need any of it.
Your liver can make as much glucose as you need.
You never need to eat glucose or eat starch or eat sugar.
But when you do eat sugar, it spikes your blood sugar.
That spikes your insulin. As long as your insulin is
elevated, it's literally impossible to lose fat.
Because when people say I want to lose weight, they don't mean
I want to lose bone strength or muscle.
They want to lose fat. And you cannot lose fat if your
insulin level is too high. It is physiologically
impossible. And that's what was happening to
you a few years back. When you're eating the whole
grain bread and the the whole grain tortilla, you're eating
everything low fat. Your insulin level is probably
30. It was.
It would be literally impossible for you to have lost fat eating
that diet. It's only when you lower your
total carbohydrate intake that's the key metric, not net carbs,
because a lot of the keto treat manufacturers want to talk about
net carbs. You got to talk about total
carbohydrates. You've got to lower them to to a
level that's amenable to your Physiology, that at some point
your body says, oh, OK, our insulin is low enough, now we
can burn some of this fat off and get rid of it.
OK so that is the general rule of thumb.
Keep your carbs as close to 0 as possible.
Is there a difference? If I look at the back of
broccoli I think it will say that there's carbs in broccoli.
Are broccoli carbs different than Wonder bread carbs?
They are different, but they're also the same.
Again, that that complex thing we got to talk about.
So when I first started doing this, I used to say you can
trust the carb count in broccoli, but you cannot trust
the carb count in Lucky Charms. And what I meant by that was
some of the carbs in broccoli or fiber.
That's absolutely true. But all of the carbs in Lucky
Charms are just sugar. And but it that's too
complicated. People can't remember that,
right? They're like, I can't remember
which carbs to trust. And so that some point I just
said just count total carbs. Now the proper human diet, which
is the, that's the way of eating that I espouse.
It ranges all the way from low carb under a total 100 total
grams a day. And for many young people who
are pretty metabolically healthy, that's perfect for
them. They can do that and have a
ideal body weight, have a ideal body fat percentage.
Some people need to cut it down to 50 total carbs a day.
Some people need to cut it down to 20 total carbs, and so you're
going from low carb to keto when you do that.
If you keep cutting the carbs down to as close to 0 as you can
get, you wind up with a carnivore diet.
All these diets are on the proper human diet spectrum.
Carb carnivore is keto. Carnivore is low carb.
It's just as low carb as you can possibly get.
Not everybody needs to be a carnivore.
Some people can eat low carb with real Whole Foods.
Nothing from Kellogg's or post or general meals and they can do
fine and be very metabolically healthy.
Other people like me who fatten easily and who develop pre
diabetes very easily, they need to go as close to 0 carb as they
can and that's either ketovore or carnivore.
That's where I have to live on a daily basis or I would still
weigh 297 lbs. Say that my meat intake consists
of chicken fingers at gosh I'm totally blanking on the name.
What's the huge chicken outlet? It's not churches anymore.
It's oh, like KFC. OK KFC or something.
My favorite food when I was younger was chicken fingers, so
is that consistent with a carnivore or keto diet?
Fried chicken fingers specifically.
So your, your body doesn't fall for bullshit, OK.
Your body is is made it literally evolution has made us
where no, the bullshit does not float.
It sinks every time. So what is a chicken finger made
of? It is breaded with wheat, rice,
oats or corn and it's fried in vegetable seed oil, soybean,
canola. Right now there is some lean
chicken meat in there, allegedly, but probably there's
a little bit of lean chicken meat.
If what you were eating was just chicken with the bone in and the
skin on, that'd be fine. You could do carnivore with with
chicken, Turkey and eggs. 100% yeah.
But when you, when you take a piece of chicken, take all the
fat out, bread it with high starch grains and then fry it in
high Omega 6 vegetable seed oils, you've, you've taken a
healthy thing and made it about as unhealthy as it can possibly
get. But you're right.
There's so there's millions of young men and women around the
world who live on chicken strips and ketchup and then drink some
kind of energy drink and they're like, well, it's chicken.
No, it's actually not. It's predominantly vegetable
seed oils and grains. That's what you're eating.
You're basically eating a grain canola strip.
You're not eating a chicken strip.
That's the problem. And when I look at you don't
want to just trust the back of whatever the canola oil bottle
says, but even independent researchers will sort of more or
less corroborate the claim that you don't see calories in canola
oil. And I don't believe you see any
carbs, at least not in the ones that I've had.
So if are seed oils bad and should they be replaced with
butter or are they more or less indifferent?
If I'm getting no carbs and no calories in my seed oils, what's
wrong with them? So seed oils are 0 carb.
That's absolutely true and that's why you have to be very
careful with any product that's labeled keto.
OK, but seed oils are not 0 calorie.
They're very high in calories just like any other fat, but
calories don't really matter. The problem with vegetable seed
oils is that you cannot get them in nature.
And a lot of people will say, oh, that's an appeal to nature.
No, actually it's not. You cannot get a seed oil in
nature. You, there is no human being on
planet Earth that before 100 years ago had ever eaten canola
oil or soybean oil or any of the other vegetable seed oils.
Now, some plants you can get oil from, like olive oil, avocado,
coconut, you can get oil from those just with a fire that you
built on the ground and some kind of pot to put it in, you
can get oil from those. And that's why those oils aren't
very bad for you, because we've been eating those oils for a
long damn time. But the vegetable seed oils are
made in a literal chemical factory and they're very, very
high in Omega 6 fatty acids like linoleic acid.
These things for most people, if not all people, are inflammatory
to some degree. And so you're introducing this
foreign substance into your body and people think, oh, you're
just, that's an appeal to nature.
No, it's an appeal to evolution. It matters what we've been
eating for the last few million years.
That matters a lot, evolutionarily speaking.
OK, so this is a scientific argument.
This is not a a a fallacious appeal to nature.
That's not what I'm doing here. I'm saying we need to eat the
stuff that we've eaten for the longest amount of time on this
planet. And it's not vegetable seed
oils. Vegetable seed oils were
invented by humans in a factory. Most of them were initially used
for lubrication for machinery, which is fine, but they're not
something that we've evolutionarily evolved to be
able to even know what it is. And so they lead to inflammation
in the human body. One of the responses I get to,
you know, promoting the carnivore diet is, well, that's
only for some people who have enough money to have rib eyes
every single night. So what you're proposing is more
unrealistic than the people who just say, maintain a calorie
deficit and exercise. Doctor Berry, how do you expect
the average person to afford rib eyes every single night?
I don't think you need to afford rib eyes every single night.
I actually have a couple of videos on my YouTube channel
about cheap carnivore hot dogs and Bologna.
I'm about to say something very inflammatory on your podcast.
I hope that's OK. Hot dogs and Bologna are not
junk food, they are health foods.
Wait a minute, What? Yes, if you watch the
ingredients and you buy hot dogs that are just ground up meat,
spices and salt, and you buy baloney that is just ground up
meat, spices and salt, they are literal health foods.
The vast majority of people these days buy hot dogs and
baloney from the supermarket, right?
And just for that, that's where they buy all food.
They don't know where food comes from, but many people are
surprised when I tell them that that people used to make Bologna
at home. You can make it at home.
You can make hot dogs at home. You cannot make canola oil at
home, OK. You cannot make Frosted Flakes
or Special K at home. You can't make that at home.
You have to have a factory to make those things.
Bologna is not junk food. It is a health food.
It is ground up meat, spices and salt.
And so if you're on a budget like I used to be in the, in the
old days, you can absolutely carnivore with, with, with
Bologna and hot dogs, as long as you watch the ingredients, make
sure there's not too much added sugar.
And the cheap cans of salmon and tuna, the cheaper salmon and the
cheaper tuna are actually healthier than the big beautiful
cuts that you see at Whole Foods that are, you know, $82 for, for
a 12 ounce steak of, of tuna or salmon.
You want the tuna that are the smallest and the salmon that are
the smallest. Because if you eat the big ones,
they've had more time to accumulate mercury and other
heavy metals, but from eating thousands and thousands of other
little fish. But if you get the small tuna in
the small salmon, they don't have as much mercury.
It's not even anything you have to worry about.
So the cheap cans of tuna, the cheap cans of salmon and the hot
dogs and the baloney and buy the ground beef, the 7030, the cheap
kind, if you buy that on sale at the supermarket, dude.
And and then you can buy eggs in a 30 count, right?
And you get an egg for like 40-2 cents.
Don't tell me you can't afford that.
If you're, if you're, if your shopping cart is full of
breakfast cereal and and pasta, don't tell me you can't afford
the cheap ground beef and the Bologna and the hot dogs and the
cheap cans of tuna and salmon. Always in water, not in oil,
because that's not real olive oil.
Trust me. OK, you can do that anybody.
I don't care if even if you're on, if you're on food stamps, if
you're broke and you're like scraping around for quarters
underneath the the couch cushion, you can eat carnivore.
When I first started looking into this, I assumed that well,
it'll break the bank, but I'll be able to eat, I'll be satiated
and I'll be thinner and I can just finally get new clothes.
The complete opposite has happened, as I expected.
Everything's a lie with regard to what they say about
carnivore. I spend so much less money.
I get as many eggs as I want and as much beef as I want.
I go to Winco in Arizona and you can get sixty eggs at a time and
you can get these 5 LB bricks of beef and it's always, I always
get variety because I'm using different spices and different
hot sauces and the hot sauces are all 0 calories.
Spices are also 0. So I have total variety and it
saves me so much more money considering when I would go to
In and Out Burger, beforehand, I would eat a burger and I was not
full. After that, I'd start thinking,
what's the next meal? I had one Patty and you know,
two big buns. So what's my next meal?
I spent so much more money on the food pyramid diet that got
me to 290 lbs than I ever did. Now I want to ask you about
these. So I am against child abuse.
So I refuse to hand out candy. What I did is I handed out
these. It's called Cattlemen's Beef
jerky for Halloween is this is my favorite thing to take on the
road with me. I'm in Austin right now visiting
my boss, Scott Horton. What are some travel foods that
I could always have on me? This way I'm not in a pickle and
well, I had to get this sandwich and this bread because I had
nothing else on me. I'm always strapped with those.
What do you recommend to people? So the best travel foods, if
you're going to make it and take it is boiled eggs.
You can fry up a pound of bacon and put it in a zip lock bag.
You can you can cook up a bunch of hamburger patties and put
them in a zip lock bag. They'll they'll keep for two
days in a zip lock bag if you put them in there right after,
when they cool off after you cook them.
You can travel with that. I've done that so many times.
Another great option is to just fast.
If I'm going to go to an airport, typically it's so hard.
You have to, you have to literally hunt like a hunter
gatherer to find any real food in an airport.
I just fast that day. But if you look hard enough, you
can find boiled eggs, you can find cheese sticks that are
pretty clean. I'll just go to Wendy's or
McDonald's or Five Guys or whatever burger joint and I'll,
I'll buy four or six of the quarter pound patties.
Now you have to ask them, is this 100% USDA ground beef?
They'll tell you if it's not, for example, Sonic, that's a,
that's a burger chain that's pretty big in my area of the
country. They add mushroom, some kind of
mushroom to their burger patties.
It's not 100% beef so I never go there, but I if I'm in an
airport and there's a McDonald's or a Burger King or Wendy's,
I'll just go get 6 hamburger Quarter pound hat patties.
Not the little like the Big Mac patties.
I don't even know what those things are made-up, but the
quarter pound Patty is 100% USDA ground beef, salt and pepper.
That's it. There's nothing else in there
and they don't fry those patties in.
Canola or soybean oil, they're fried in their own fat because
they're pretty much 7030. They have the fat built into the
burger Patty. They fry them on the griddle.
There you go. That's 100% carnivore.
There's not a thing wrong with that.
Contrary to some of the comments that you see on my, my, my video
that got millions of views about what I eat when I'm going
through the drive through, there's no human DNA in
McDonald's Quarter Pound burger patties.
I don't know where that came from, but they're not, there's
no ground up humans in McDonald's quarter # patties.
And I'm, I'm not AI don't make any money from McDonald's or
Burger King and Wendy's or five Guys or what a burger.
I'm just telling you, if you're traveling, just get quarter #
patties And if you need a condiment, put some mustard.
They have zero carb mustard, 0 sugar mustard.
Put that on there. Eat them and you're done.
And you, you mentioned satiety. You said I'd go to In-n-out
Burger and I'd get the value meal with the burger, the fries
and the Coke and you would eat that and then you were hungry an
hour later. Who hasn't went to the Chinese
buffet and eat eaten until you literally feel like your belly's
going to pop two hours later, What's up?
You're hungry. Why?
How's that possible? But when me or you, when you or
I eat 12 ounces or 16 ounces of ground beef and and A and a few
eggs, we're not hungry for 8 hours, 10 hours, 12 hours.
How is that possible? Here's why it's possible.
There are three macro nutrients in food.
There are carbohydrates, fat and protein.
OK, protein is the most satiating of the three macro
nutrients. That means that it keeps you
feeling full for the longest amount of time.
The second most feeling, and it's a close second, is fat,
animal fat that occurs naturally in that hamburger Patty or the
egg or whatever. Fat and protein help you get
full and help you stay full because you know as well as I do
when you're trying to lose weight, hunger is your biggest
enemy. If you, if you get hungry enough
and you stay hungry enough for long enough, your ass going to
go to the cupboard and you're going to eat something.
We, it's, it's not a it's not a matter of willpower or stamina.
It's a matter of the, the hunger is a built in physiological
need. If you get hungry enough, you'll
eat your neighbor. This is documented in the
historical literature thousands of times.
When you get hungry enough, you'll do terrible things.
So you can't say, oh, it's just a lack of willpower.
You were just weak. No hunger.
Is it literally if you, if I come to where you're at right
now, Keith and I hold your mouth and nose, after about 60
seconds, you will do literally anything, including up to and
including stabbing me to get me to take my hand off your mouth
and nose because you are ever hungry.
You're about to die. That hunger is just that, that
primal of a need. So you can't overcome that.
You have to eat the macros that are satiating, that make you
full and keep you full. That's fat and protein.
Carbohydrates do not do that. Now the more now if it's a, if
it's a slow release carbohydrate that's full of fiber, it's sort
of does that a little, but never to the degree to which fat and
protein make you full and keep you full for hours and hours and
hours. But they also, they fat and
protein don't raise your insulin.
Remember we talked about that earlier.
So you're full, you're happy, you're not hungry and your
insulin levels low. That's the perfect setup for you
to effortlessly, painlessly burn off the fat and get rid of it.
You're not suffering, you're not hungry, you're not starving.
You're just, you're just doing, living your life.
You're playing or you're working, but your body's burning
fat because you're in ketosis and you're not hungry.
It's, it's the, it's almost like it's built in to our DNA.
It's almost like that's how we're designed to eat is fat and
protein. Maybe carbs occasionally, but
usually not. The second biggest thing after
losing the weight? Feeling more comfortable
everywhere I go. Had to has to be the fact that I
was exhausted. Not all the time, but I would
want a nap. I would either have to take a
nap during the day or I would have to just crush energy drinks
and then go to bed sort of early.
Getting like 9 hours of sleep sometimes at night and now I get
like 6 1/2 and I'm totally fine. I don't even think about napping
during the day. I have so much more energy.
Is this just a coincidence or is there a correlation between
eating fewer carbs, fewer sugars, and having more energy
throughout the day? This is one of the most common
things that people are surprised by when they start.
A real whole food ketogenic diet or a carnivore diet is crap.
I used to think that I felt good most days, but I had no idea how
good I could feel. And that's because when you're
in ketosis, your body can burn those fats much more effectively
and efficiently. When you burn carbohydrates,
sugar, It's kind of like burning gasoline in your wood stove.
If you're heating your house. I mean, it burns.
Yeah. And it gets very hot and it's
very flashy, but then it's gone and.
And then you're tired and hungry again.
But when you. When you fill your belly with
with animal fat and animal protein, it's like filling up
your wood stove with oak or Hickory.
It burns slow, it burns good, It burns thoroughly and it burns
for a long damn time and it puts off plenty of heat.
And so that's, that's exactly what what you're mimicking when
you eat a diet that's rich in animal fat and protein, you're
going to have more energy. Many people when they're eating
a high carb diet, not only is their brain having to run on
carbs, sugar, which you have to replenish about every two or
three hours or you'll crash. Then if you eat too much sugar,
you'll have to take a nap because you're you're in sugar
coma. When you convert that person to
burning ketones, their brain is like, thank you very much.
Now I can actually perform at optimal levels.
I'm not going to crash in 30 minutes and need a snack.
But also levels of brain inflammation when you remove the
seed oils and all of the highly processed carbs.
People with with quite severe mental health disorders notice
improvement in their mental health symptoms.
And there's actually multiple research studies going on right
now about a ketogenic diet or a carnivore diet for mental health
for diagnosable conditions like depression, anxiety, OCD, even
schizophrenia. Because psychiatrists, they're
having patients come to them and say, you know, since I've been
on this carnivore diet, I haven't needed my medication for
depression or anxiety or even OCD or schizophrenia.
And you know, initially this, the psychiatrist are like that
just an anecdote that doesn't mean anything.
But after a psychiatrist is seeing 100 patients come in and
say, you know, when I started carnivore, I don't need my
medicine anymore. They're going to start to look
into that, just like primary care doctors are starting to
look into it for, for pre diabetes, type 2 diabetes, fatty
liver, obesity, hypertension. Because you can't, you can only
hear that so many times before. You have to think as a, as a
professional and a scientist, maybe this is not just
anecdotes, maybe there's something physiological and
biochemical going on here. And indeed there is.
And I think in a few years it'll be self-evident to everybody
that a low carbohydrate diet is the proper human diet for every
human on the planet. It'll, it'll, it, it's going to
overtake and engulf the mainstream narrative that we
have right now, which is completely incorrect because it
works. And because we've got this thing
called social media now that when we try keto or carnivore
and it literally gives us miraculous results.
You're like, what the hell just happened to my body?
How am I the same Keith Knight that I was five years ago?
I don't even understand what's happened here.
You're going to get on social media and talk about that and
people who know you and trust you, You're not just a head on a
YouTube video. You're actually, that's Keith.
I know him, he did this. They're going to be like crap.
Look at him. I'm going to give this a try.
And that's why I think it's inevitable that this is going to
just become common knowledge. Everybody's going to know and
we'll reach a tipping point here in the next year or two where
it's just common knowledge. If you want, if you're fat,
you're obese and you want to lose weight, go on a low carb
diet. If if you go low carb and that's
not working, go keto. That's not working, go
carnivore. At some level of carbohydrate
intake, you're going to start to burn fat while remaining full
and happy, not being hungry and hungry and pissed off because
you're starving to death. You know, I didn't know enough
about the whether it's autoimmune disorders or brain
inflammation. I assume my mental health was
getting better from carnivore because I was thinner and women
actually started talking to me. So I can't isolate the mental
health variable specifically. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure what caused what caused what, but it is just so
much better. Feeling good and thank you for
retweeting my image. The other day I posted my before
and after picture on Twitter X now, and I just, I came across
that first image of me that was I think four or five years ago.
I'm in front of Medieval Times with my sister, and I literally
look like John Candy's body double or something like that.
It it's just so embarrassing. OK, so you've convinced me.
You've also convinced the members of the audience.
How do you pitch this to other people without them getting
defensive while piquing their interest and giving them an open
mind? What are some of the things you
say to the average person you come across to pitch them on the
keto, carnivore, low carb lifestyle?
It depends on where they're coming from.
As you know, there, there's different categories of people.
Some are pioneers, some are early adapters, some are late
adapters, some are the cow's tail.
Some people they're just not ready to hear it yet.
And so I'm very happy if they, if they, I start getting
pushback from them, I'm like, OK, go, go live your life.
I'll see you in a year or two after you have a, a heart attack
scare or something. You'll be back around.
And indeed, that's happened, but most people, especially The
Pioneers and the early adapters and even the late adapters,
they're getting to a point now where they've seen before and
after pictures like yours, they've seen that again and
again and again. And underneath that before and
after is it is either the word keto or the word ketivore or the
word carnivore. And they're like, crap, what is
going on with this? Because every people who know
Keith, they know he's not a paid spokesman for the keto company
or the carnivore company. That's not what he does.
And so that that's just like the old school word of mouth.
That's just like the old school back, you know, 100,000 years
ago when we would all go out and hunt and gather and we'd come
around the campfire in the evening and we would talk about
what we had learned that day. Don't eat that plan.
It'll give you the shits. Don't try to to take down that
animal with just one person or you'll get your ass, you know,
gourd or whatever. And we learn from each other.
That's how humans work. We come around the campfire and
we discuss our our wins and our losses and we learn from each
other. And that's what social media is
basically become this gigantic campfire that there there's
millions, if not billions of us sitting around saying, well, I
tried this and it worked great and I feel great and it's still
working versus people saying, yeah, I tried this and it no, it
didn't work or I wasted a bunch of money or I wasted a bunch of
time. And so that's what social media
is, is this giant campfire. We all come around and tell our
stories. And So what I try to do is keep
it simple. Step one, eliminate all added
sugar and most naturally occurring sugar.
Bananas and grapes are not a health food.
They're sacks of sugar. Step 2, eliminate all the grains
and beans from your diet. These are starvation foods.
These are prisoner foods. These are slave foods.
This is not what you eat if you're trying to optimize your
health. Step 3.
Eliminate the vegetable seed oils.
They're made in a factory. Humans were never exposed to
them before 100 years ago. They're by definition, they
cannot be evolutionarily healthy.
Step 4. Fill up most or all of your
plate with beef, butter, bacon and eggs and it can be any.
It can be chicken, it can be poultry, it could be fish.
It doesn't matter as long as it's the meat or the egg of
something that used to run, creep, fly, cross, leather,
jump. That's what human beings have
always eaten. That's what we'll always need to
eat. Maybe in 100,000 years more of
evolution, we, we can eat a vegan diet and be optimally
healthy. But right now that's impossible.
Even the vegan experts will tell you if you yeah, oh, vegan
diet's the healthiest diet on the planet.
But also you need to take these 10 supplements every day or
you'll develop a severe vitamin or mineral deficiency.
How can that be a proper human diet?
By definition, 500 years ago, there was no supplement company.
Do you think there were any vegans more than 500 years ago?
No, there were zero vegans of the the plant based movement,
which is dying by the way. The vegan movement, which is
dying by the way. You can look on Google trends.
It's literally straight down. Everybody has had it with the
vegan movement at that you there was no such thing that is the
the vegan whole food plant based.
That is a hobby for people who live in a wealthy society.
If you went back in time 100,000 years and went to your tribe
your your great great grandfather times 100 and you
said hey we should just eat plants only you would either be
stabbed or kicked out of the tribe because they would just
know intuitively. That's ignorance what are you
talking about? You will die if you try to eat
nothing but plants long term. That's that's ignorance.
What are you even talking about? Get out of here.
You're no longer part of this tribe.
One of the amazing things is that people will say if you want
to, you know, stop the obesity epidemic in America, this is a
big thing. So big things take a lot of
money there. It's going to take a lot of, you
know, government committees, a lot of doctors, a lot of doctors
appointments. You have to do something big for
a big problem. The concept that this can
actually be solved by conversations on YouTube and
people just eating this proper human diet is so hard for people
to grasp intellectually. That was the solution to this
huge problem. Videos that are already online
for free, but that's how I heard about it.
Basically, I had asked, there's a reason I'm telling the story.
I asked this woman out and she kind of laughed at me and said
someone as good looking as me couldn't go out with someone as
fat as you. That's basically what she said
to me. So I went on to YouTube and I
just binged weight loss foods, weight loss diets and I I bet I
watched 300 or something like that something crazy.
And I just took notes and then I came across your channel and
gravity transformation fat loss experts.
You know those guys, they are just terrific.
So my pitch to people is, you know, usually people are able to
see through one scam or something.
Usually. Sometimes it's the Russiagate
scam or whatever current scam is going on in the media.
I say there's another scam. You're not going to believe it.
The food pyramid is what's making us fat.
The advice they gave us is what ended up making us fat.
There's a real simple alternative when it comes to
where you recommend people to start.
Is it on a certain playlist at your YouTube channel?
Is it one of your books? If you've grabbed people's
interest already, they see your transformation, They say, all
right, what do you lead me to? What videos?
What websites? If you love vegetables and
you've got to have some vegetables in your diet, then my
YouTube playlist entitled Keto One O 1.
Just go and watch those videos, take notes, just like he did.
That's going to work for you. I promise.
If you're like, dude, I could live on meeting eggs and be 100%
happy for the rest of my life, then go to my YouTube channel
and watch my carnivore one O 1 playlist.
Now some people are like you and I Keith, they're they're lone
mountain lions. They don't need a group.
They, they were perfectly happy just doing it ourselves.
Some people need support. They did.
Their family members don't support them.
Their spouse doesn't support them.
Their friends won't support them.
They try to, they try to trip them up.
And so we've actually created a, a community of people who are
eating a proper human diet. So if, if you're stuck in that
situation, like my spouse won't help me, they're trying to, you
know, trying to bring honey buns home and give them to me.
And you need that level of support.
We have a private community on my website,
doctorberry.com/community. It's, it's a very small price if
you need that kind of support. Many people don't.
I, I don't think Keith would need that kind of support.
He's Mountain Lion. He does his own thing.
He, he thinks some people need that support.
They need a friend. They need somebody that I can
share their victories and their struggles and their defeats with
and somebody who will take them by the hand.
We've got that. If you need that, check out our
community. But most people, if you just
watch my Keto One O 1 videos and apply it or watch my carnivore
one O 1 videos and apply, you can literally reverse your
metabolic disease for free. It doesn't cost a penny.
You don't have to pay me a penny.
You can just watch the videos and apply what I say.
Now keep in mind, calories don't matter.
Portion size does not matter. And I have to say that because
for so many people, that narrative is so deep in their
psyche that they they can't understand that's not true.
That's it's a literal myth. When you weigh on the bathroom
scales, you're weighing atoms and molecules.
You're not weighing energy. The reason you weighed 290
something pounds was not because you had too much stored energy.
It's because you had too many damn atoms and molecules in your
FedEx. That's why that's what the scale
was weighing. When you eat a key, a real whole
food ketogenic diet, not the keto treats and keto bread and
keto bars, but real whole keto food like I talked about in keto
one O 1, you're going to eat less total atoms, less total
molecules without being hungry. You don't have to portion
control because the the animal fat and animal protein are going
to keep you full for a long time.
That makes sense. And so a lot of people come at
keto or carnival and they're like, oh, I'm just eating 1000
calories a day. No, stop that.
You don't have to do that. You don't have to pay penance.
You don't have to atone for your sins.
That's not what happened here. You didn't, you're not sinful.
You were just misled. You don't have to pay atonement,
you don't have to say or say you're Hail Marys.
You just have to eat meat and eggs until you're comfortably
stuffed and then go outside and play.
It's literally that simple. Although I know that that sounds
like that can't possibly work. I promise you, try 90 days of
beef, butter, bacon, and eggs. I've got a video that's about
that challenge. You can eat as much as you want.
You can eat as often as you want.
And if you're obese or severely obese and you eat nothing but
beet butter, bacon and eggs, don't calorie count.
Don't portion control. Eat when you're hungry.
Eat to your full. You're going to lose a chunk of
weight, AKA you're going to lose a lot of fat in that 90 days.
But you're also not going to be starving to death.
You're not going to be hangry. You're not going to need to take
a nap after every meal. You're going to be more
productive. You're going to be happier.
Happiness comes across as attractiveness, as Keith now
knows. When you're happy and healthy,
that's very attractive to the sex that you're trying to
attract. Thank you so much for coming on
01 more thing. Before I forget, don't be afraid
to ask for extra patties when you're at any restaurant,
people. I still go to Wendy's and YC's.
I go to Red Robin and Chili's and I just say I'll get this
burger with no bun and four extra patties. 100% I still do
cheese. Is cheese OK or am I violating?
No cheese is fine. Some people have to limit
cheese, but the vast majority of people can have a slice of
cheese on their burger. It's not going to slow them down
at all. Awesome, so the website
isdoctorberry.com. Doctor Berry, give me one book
people should check out. I know you have three.
If I only have time for one, what one book of yours should I
read? Lies My Doctor Told Me.
I think that opens your eyes to so many things with regards to
medicine and human nutrition. Once you read that book, you
kind of get the big picture. Thanks to everyone for watching
Keith Knight, Don't Tread on Anyone, and the Libertarian
Institute. Doctor Berry, thank you so much
for your time. It's a pleasure.
Thank you.