The murder of one person is called unrighteous and encourage
one. Death penalty.
Following this argument. The murder of ten persons will
be ten times as unrighteous and there should be 10 death
penalty's. The murder of 100 persons would
be 100 times as unrighteous, and there should be a hundred death
penalties. All the gentlemen of the world
know that they should condemn these things calling them
unrighteous, but when it comes to the great unrighteousness of
States attacking States, they do not know they should condemn But
on the contrary, they all applauded calling it, righteous.
Welcome to Keith's night. Don't tread on anyone today.
We have the author of Fool's, errand Scott Horton.
He is the managing director of the libertarian Institute of
which I can turn contribute from time to time.
He's the host of anti-war radio for Pacifica 90.7, FM kpfk in
Los Angeles, Scott board, and thanks so much for taking the
time today. Thanks for having me.
Kate, appreciate it. So, what is libertarianism and
why? Why are you a Libertarian?
Oh, well, you know, I don't know.
I think libertarianism ultimately is the unified field
theory of human Freedom. So it's one part.
Natural rights Theory. One part.
Austrian School of Economics. One part revisionist bogus
history, one part anti-imperialism.
And it basically it all stems from what Sheldon, Richmond
calls, the non-aggression obligation.
That not just the non-aggression principle, but that we owe it to
each other to not because we are social animals.
We owe it to each other. To not use Force to not initiate
aggression, against each other. And so that would include fraud
and theft of other people's justly, acquired property.
And so, yeah, that's pretty much it.
It's and, you know, I guess the real insight to is that
liberals. Works.
That this is a principle that in practice makes sense.
So a lot of people say well communism is good in theory, but
it's just when you try it you end up with Stalin.
Well, it's a bad Theory. That's the problem with
libertarianism. We can see how the theory Works
in practice constantly and what's good about it.
And then mostly what people point to as flaws in
libertarianism almost always and you could call this confirmation
bias or whatever. But Depends on on your point of
view I suppose. But you know for the most part
we can explain how know the thing that you have a problem
with is actually contrary to libertarianism in the first
place. So like an easy example, this
would be the Socialist all over Twitter saying well of
capitalism. So great and how come it needs a
giant bailout from the government every 10 years, but
of course us pure capitalist, laissez-faire Austrian School of
Economics types. Were the first ones to explain
what causes the boom and the bust.
It was Ludwig von mises 100 years ago, that settled it in
his book, The Theory of money and credit, it's not the
business cycle. It's not the wild excesses of
laissez-faire, capitalism that caused the boom.
And then the bust it's the government control over the
money supply. And, you know, I think I
probably learned in school. I can't say for sure, but I
think I'm pretty, pretty, certain that I learned in.
With grade that the Federal Reserve was one of the reforms
of the New Deal. After the wild excesses of
laissez-faire, free market capitalism in the Roaring 20s at
brought about the stock market crash.
And the Great Depression. It was until I was an adult that
I learned that actually know the Federal Reserve had been created
20 years before and probably in order that they could inflate
away the price of American entry into World War 1 and then it You
know monetary inflation throughout the 1920s and
especially 27 through 29 engaged in by the central bank.
Really though. What was then, what we now call
the Open Market, Committee was essentially, the New York fed
that was in the driver's seat then and they had inflated all
this money because Benjamin strong, who was the head of the
New York Fed was essentially a student.
Of Montague, Norman the head of the bank of England and the bank
of England had to base their currency in order to fight their
Wars in South Africa. And so Benjamin strong in order
to do a favor for Montague Norman and the British to prop
up the British, pound started inflating away the US dollar and
this is what caused not just widespread price inflation in
the economy and prevention of prices going lower as production
was expanding, but it caused a massive bubble in the stock
market and in that. Was what popped in 29 and then
LED Hoover and then Roosevelt to embark on all of these
governmental controls over the economy, in the name of fixing
the crisis that only made matters worse and ended up
prolonging the Great Depression for almost a generation.
It wasn't didn't really end until the end of World War Two
in 1946. And so 17 years later before the
Great Depression, finally ended. And, you know, the whole
mythology of Herbert Hoover, being a Ron Paul.
Type is, of course, completely incorrect.
He was, you know, a progressive of the Republicans were the
progressives then, and that's why the Hoover Dam is not name
the FDR, damn, but the Hoover Dam, he was the one who started
all this. One of the first things he did
was Institute a nationwide, massive minimum wage, right is
there's incredible pressure, downward pressure on wages
across the country. He essentially outlawed the
hiring of anyone for less than whatever.
The base price was then which just through millions of people
directly out of work and, you know, all this stuff.
But in other words to some backup, the critics of free
market capitalism or of libertarian theory in general,
they almost always have an example that something that
we're against to. And so, for example, we're
against the government, paying everybody to be unemployed
during the crisis that they've created here.
Or certainly for the Long term with new proposals for Universal
basic income and things like this.
And it's pretty easy to anticipate a liberal or
Progressive or socialist saying well the government can create q
1q e, 1 2 3 4 and 5 and print as much money as they want to bail
out their Banker friends, but not poor and working people,
huh? And the answer to that is that
those bankers and the bureaucrats who bailed them out,
should be crucified that the Libertarians are the ones who
hate bailouts for banks. There's more than any socialist
does, you know? We were here first and hating
bailouts for Bankers, they get to participate in this system.
They get all the new money first and get to hook up all their
cronies with it at artificially, low interest rates.
And then they want to be bailed out on the backs of the poor and
the working people, by all means burn them at the stake and we
will not object and you start with Goldman Sachs JP Morgan,
Chase and Citigroup and then work down from there.
So terrific. I want to take that libertarian
principle and try to apply it to your field foreign policy or the
non-aggression obligation that you mentioned.
I want to quote from Kissinger the idealist from Niall
Ferguson. He asked the question, how many
Hitler's have we avoided by having an interventionist u.s.
Foreign policy page, 23 as Kissinger pointed out to Oriana
felici, the history of things that didn't happen needs to
Considered before we may pass any judgment on the history of
things that did happen. We need to consider not only the
consequences of what American governments did during the Cold
War. But also the probable
consequences of the different foreign policies that might have
been adopted. How does Scott Horton respond?
Well, of course, it's completely unfalsifiable and spoken as, you
know, from the lips of a proven war criminal, a guy who killed
Old was responsible for the policies that killed millions of
human beings. And so of course he's going to
say, yeah, but just think of all the millions who had died if I
had never acted and of course, you know, the the Triumph of
Henry Kissinger. The greatest Triumph, there is
prolonging the war in Vietnam, which the Democrats had begun
but in 1968, the Democrats were trying to negotiate an end to
the war, but Nixon was running on.
I have a secret plan to end the war.
And so, even though he had no political power at all, at that
time. No.
Official. Political power, Henry.
Kissinger was on his team and they arranged for a woman named
Anna chennault to go over to South Korea to South Vietnam,
and warn the South Vietnamese about the American negotiations.
With the north that we're taking place in secret and botch.
Those, and Lyndon Johnson is even recorded on the phone
talking with a Republican senator saying this is treason.
They ought not to be doing that. And but he didn't expose them.
He let them get away with it and they prolong the war in Vietnam
for years. And now what was the primary
result of that America lost? Anyway the Communists took over
anyway, and this was all in the name of look, you know.
Yeah, we hate to have to pay the market price for Tungsten.
So lets you know, we have to dominate Vietnam forever, but
the excuse that they told the people was that were preventing
communism from taking over all of Southeast Asia the Theory, a
Vietnam Falls in South, Vietnam Falls, the next will be Laos and
Cambodia and Thailand and the rest and the Reds will own it
all. But never mind the fact that the
Vietnamese hated the Chinese and had fought like 10 Wars against
the Chinese going back to Antiquity.
And if there was one thing about the Vietnamese, their
nationalism was based on anti-china.
Rejection is MM. You know and Mao and his
government did help Ho Chi Minh during the war to To a degree,
but that never bought them. You no control over the
Vietnamese government. They hate, Ho Chi Minh hated
Mount, and, and the Vietnamese hated China.
And then what ended up happening, of course, was that
the war in Vietnam, is what knocked over the dominoes, in,
in Laos and especially in Cambodia, where the prince that
America was propping up in Cambodia, was completely
discredited by his association with the United States and his
allowing. Quote unquote, the Americans to
continue to bomb his country and kill millions of his people for
years during that war. And then this is what helped to
destabilize the whole place and allow Pol Pot and the Khmer
Rouge to then come down out of the Northern woods and take over
the place and you know committed one of the worst auto genocides.
They call it in history where within just a couple of years,
they killed three million of their own people and then guess
what? It was the North Vietnamese
Communists after their success in driving out.
Out the Americans and in conquering, the South they were
the ones who invaded Cambodia in order to throw Pol Pot out of
power and save the people of Cambodia from the communist
government that had taken over there.
And at that point, or at least a little bit later on.
I'm not sure if this started with Ford, but certainly by the
time of Jimmy, Carter America was backing Pol Pot and Ronald
Reagan in picked up that policy and continued that policy of
backing Pol Pot and the Khmer. Rouge against their enemies.
Just because they hated Vietnam, or even though, by far the worst
criminals Against Humanity were the cambodians.
And so, I'm sorry, I got to go close the window.
There's some terrible noise going on out there.
I'm not sure if you're hearing that or not.
I was not. Well, wasn't able to hear it.
No problem think it's a skill. Saw across the street there.
I'd hate to have that all over the interview here.
But so and then look at who they all call Hitler and of course,
the end. Kissinger supported both Wars in
Iraq, they called Saddam Hussein Hitler.
But when Saddam Hussein committed, all of his worst war
crimes was when he was working for Jimmy Carter and Ronald
Reagan, especially during the Reagan years.
When he did the anfal campaign against the Kurds.
Jimmy Carter had originally given him the green light to
invade Iran. A war that cost about half a
million lives on each side and he's very worse war crimes were
was the anfal campaign where he killed approximately 100,000
Kurds, but that was because the And, you know, we're supporting
him and letting him get away with it and letting him know
that he could get away with it, all they call Noriega Hitler.
When Noriega had worked for the CIA and was had been a loyal
puppet up until he cut the Americans out of his cocaine
running profits, and decided to keep it for himself.
Not sure, which all orders he disobeyed that got him in so
much trouble, but to call the leader of Panama.
Hitler has got to be the biggest joke in the entire world.
They did the same thing to Slobodan milosevic.
When, in fact, it was the Americans who ruin the peace
deal in the Balkans in 1992 and started the war.
They had a deal where the crow ATS, and the Bosnian Muslims had
a coalition government and the serbs were in the minority and
the serbs agreed to that and said, okay, fine, as long as we
have, you know, relative autonomy, you guys can have The
ruling Coalition, that's fine. And then the American
ambassadors. Zimmerman came in and convince
the crow ATS that you guys could have it all.
You should start to war. Here's a bunch of weapons and
you shouldn't have to settle for this deal with the serbs.
And that was really what caused, you know, a great part of the,
you know, ethnic fighting that killed hundreds of thousands of
people in the Balkans in the early 1990s.
And, you know, so look at the body count.
You know, America killed two million, Koreans probably three
between three and five million Vietnamese lay, oceans, and
cambodians the CIA. And America has to take
responsibility for this when the CIA backed suharto's coup in
Indonesia, and then his war against leftist that killed, you
know, hundreds of thousands. I don't know.
If anybody knows exactly how many hundreds of thousands of
supposed leftists and East Timor Ruiz and whoever else And then
our wars in the Middle East, just in this Century have killed
upwards of two million, Arabs and Posh Tunes.
If he account everybody killed in Iraq, war to Libya Syria,
Yemen Afghanistan and Pakistan. People forget how bad Obama's
war was in Pakistan for a few years there in his first term.
But you know, on the order of a couple of hundred thousand
people were killed in that too. And so of course, Henry
Kissinger is going to say. Yeah, but think about if we had
Anna done all that, we'd done. It probably would have been that
much worse. But why should we believe that
at? All?
Right, like, if, if after September 11th, they had just
sent Donald Rumsfeld back to Iraq to read, who's saying the
riot act and tell him. Listen.
We're going to allow you back in from the cold as long as you
keep Al-Qaeda down and as long as you don't invade Kuwait,
again, we're going to go ahead and normalize relations.
Then why in the world should we think that Saddam Hussein was
going to just what start butchering Kurds for fun?
Or something like that, when he had no need to buy the time of
the invasion. We found out later from the FBI
agent, interrogation of Saddam Hussein.
And in fact, I think they probably knew this from the CIA
asset Nagi Sabri, his one of his foreign ministers or
Intelligence Officers that Saddam Hussein was in the middle
of writing a romance novel. When America intervened in 2003
and invaded his country. He was hardly even the president
anymore at all. He was kind of in
semi-retirement. And it turned much of the
country over to his sons and his other ministers.
He was writing a novel key. When they invaded in 2003, that
sound like and and I don't know if anybody knows anything about
Adolf Hitler. It's he sort of just a
caricature of face on TV. But if you actually read about
Hitler, this was probably the most fanatical human man that
ever existed the most single-mindedly determined
person. To ever rule over anyone.
I mean, this guy got up at 4 a.m.
Every day for decades figuring out what it would take for him
to get that total power. And when you read the history of
how many times he could have been stopped, but wasn't, it's
just the most frustrating thing in the world.
This is a dangerous guy. He makes Saddam Hussein looked
like Sheldon Richmond. I mean, give me a freakin break.
Okay, there's it's the Who compared to Adolf?
Hitler include Stalin and Mao and maybe Churchill and that's
about it. Okay, Genghis Khan and
tamburlaine are not in Hitler's League.
Okay, you know, I was told I can't say who, but I was told by
someone who I think really knows his stuff that the Soviets
didn't lose. Twenty seven million men, in
World War Two. They lost four. 80 million.
But they just couldn't admit that their losses, were that
terrible. It would be too much of a sign
of weakness that they had been that completely devastated.
There's just nothing that compares to World War 2 and the
Nazi regime. And then the, you know, Henry
Kissinger who was in World War Two fought, on the American side
in World War Two. He knows better.
He knows the truth about who Hitler was and how that compares
to somebody like Noriega or Saddam Hussein.
It's a joke. Kissinger spoke in 1973 at the
UN General Assembly saying the philosopher Kant predicted that.
Perpetual. Peace would come eventually
either as the creation of man's moral aspirations or has the
consequence of physical necessity which seemed utopian
then looms as tomorrow's reality soon.
There will be no alternative. Our only choice is whether the
world envisioned in the United Nations.
Charter will come about as the result of our And or of a
catastrophe invited by our shortsightedness page, 29
Kissinger, the idealist by Niall Ferguson.
So if we want World, Peace, do we need to just say it's
inevitable. We need world government and
therefore us interventions on behalf of the UN are Justified.
Well, absolutely not and of course, I mean the question
answers itself. Look at America's enforcement of
the world law. Its absolute catastrophe.
It's a bloody wreck. They spent even if he just take
this century and the terror War interventions in the name of
enforcing United Nations resolutions in Iraq, especially
it's been absolute catastrophe. They started a sectarian war
that is not going to end in our lifetimes and you know, they've
Completely destabilize everything exactly.
As our enemies were intending to do to give George Bush, and
excuse to overreact and destabilize an overthrow, the
entire region. So it makes sense in, if you're,
you know, a college student, and it's all theoretical and you go.
Well, the wars happen because the states are in competition
and they seek their own interests and they're willing to
kill each other over it. And so I guess we have to have a
one world government and then that way, you know the be Erik
Kratz, somewhere at the top, we'll figure out how to
distribute the resources in a way that the state's won't fight
over them. But of course what happens when
a George w-- Bush is the president of the world.
What happens when a Henry Kissinger is in charge of
deciding, you know, the worst hypothetical be well what
happens if a Hitler takes over the world government, but what
happens if a bush takes over the world government, that's what we
saw in 2003. He kills a million people, his
successor, kills another, And what does anybody get out of it
stability? So One World Government, its
first priority, of course, will be to go to war.
What's the first thing the United Nations did?
Authorized war in Korea, you know, which the Russians and the
Chinese were sitting that decision out.
So the security Council voted to authorize it.
And then, the first thing that happened was Truman sent troops
off to war. And for the first time, without
any kind of declaration of war, send them off in the middle of
the night. Congress, found out the next day
that the war is on and Truman said, well, I have the UN
Charter that authorizes me to do this.
I don't need you. And so, you know, isn't that
great from now on, we're going to prevent Wars between states
by having this state be the world government the enforcer of
the world law and then it's only obligation is to wage war
unendingly in the name of Perpetual.
Peace. And in fact, that was the book
by Harry Elmer Barnes back after World War Two Perpetual War for
Perpetual. Peace.
This is your excuse. Your clamp down but you're not
setting the world free. You're just enslaving them.
Only now from North America, instead of, under the thumb of
the Germans or whoever else. I want to quote from page, 184
from decision points by George Bush, in a title in a chapter
titled Afghanistan. Removing Al Qaeda, Safe Haven in
Afghanistan was essential to protecting the American people.
We had planned the mission carefully.
We were acting out of necessity and Fence.
Not Revenge history. Can debate the decisions.
I made the policies. I chose the tools I left behind,
but there can be no debate about one fact.
After the nightmare of September 11th.
America went seven and a half years without another successful
terrorist attack on our soil. If I had to summarize my most
meaningful accomplishment as president in one sentence.
That would be it. How does Scott Horton respond?
Well, there's a few different ridiculous jokes in there.
First of all, they didn't have to invade Afghanistan at all.
The Taliban hated Osama Bin Laden and wanted rid of him, you
know, the radical becomes a conservative the day, he seizes
the capital city. Okay, the Taliban weren't even
done taking over the whole country yet and they severely
resented Bin Laden and his group of Saudis and Egyptians coming
in and getting them into trouble with the world superpower and in
July. Of 2001.
Mullah Omar had told arnaud de Burgh RAV from the Washington
Times that Osama. Bin Laden is like a chicken bone
stuck in my throat. I can neither swallow him nor
spit him out, but they had been trying to negotiate to surrender
Bin Laden ever since the embassy attacks of 1998 and mullah Omar
had told Bin Laden that he was forbidden from releasing any
more statements threatening the us or anything like that.
After the war Wall Street Journal reporter found a
computer with a letter on it from Bin Laden.
Don't mullah Omar saying, please forgive me.
I'm so sorry for getting you into this mess.
I know how this looks but trust me in 10 years more like 20, the
Americans will finally be bankrupt and broken and will be
forced to withdraw and humiliation and if they if they
refuse to attack now, we look strong if they attack and invade
and By the place and we end up buying them down and bleeding
them dry and forcing them out. Like we did the Soviet Union,
then so much the better and of course, Ben Laden really was
kind of a leninist in that sense.
He didn't care how many eggs he had to break to make the omelet.
How many Afghan you know civilians had to die.
Let me hear. He was blatantly trying to
recreate the war against the Soviets in the 1980s when
America had backed the mujahideen side, but a million
Hands were killed by the Soviets.
He figured fine. Whatever.
If we got to recreate that if that's what it takes to force,
the American Empire out. Let God sort em out there.
Believers will go to heaven. Anyway, right?
So that was the thing. So, George w-- Bush was just
falling, straight into Bin Laden's Trap by invading
Afghanistan. He act like he, you know, oh, he
destroyed their safe haven. You see what he's leaving out
there? Actually killing Bin Laden.
What did he not do? Actually kill Bin Laden.
He sent in Delta Force, Team be but he pulled team a out before.
Team B got there, the Delta Force begged over and over and
over for him to send the Green. Berets who were stationed in
Northern Afghanistan to come and help no dice.
They asked for the Marines to come from down in Kandahar,
where General Mattis was in charge, General, Mattis was
asking to go New York Times, quote.
The general was turned down. The Marines could have been used
to seal the pact of Stanny border.
They were not the Army Rangers had the Bagram air base north of
Kabul, tens of thousands of Army Rangers.
They're not allowed to join in the fight.
Instead. You had one small team of Delta
Force operators and their CIA Liaisons from the special
activities division working with two groups of local mujahideen
Warlords guy named xamon and a guy named Ali, who their
Fighters This is now Legend. Their Fighters went home every
night, and then had to climb back up the mountain again every
morning and, you know, made no progress in the whole time for.
We look, they knew that Bin Laden was at Tora Bora by the
third week in November. He didn't Escape till December
17th. That entire time the CIA.
And the Delta Force were begging for reinforcements and were
rejected over and over and over again.
So George Bush. Cancro bow.
Oh, he smashed their safe haven in Afghanistan, but he didn't
kill Bin Laden and Ayman al-zawahiri.
It took 10 years before the seals ended up killing Bin Laden
in nine years in 2010 in Pakistan, was watery still
podcasting. From somewhere in Pakistan,
exhorting. His followers to violence
against the US and then, as far as him saying, well, there were
no successful terrorist attacks against the country in that
time. I'd have to get my, my, my
timeline out. But the reality, the first of
all, the major point there is Al Qaeda was not a mass movement.
Okay. There was one small, Special
Forces Group essentially. So, at the time of the September
11th attacks, Tack on like the lie that they pushed on TV.
They knew that there were not Al-Qaeda sleeper cells in the
United States. There were no al-Qaeda in your
hometown. There were no al-Qaeda in
Chicago in LA and San Francisco in Houston in Dallas in Miami.
They weren't here the few handlers of the hijackers had
hightailed it out of the country.
Before the attack, left their dinner on the table down there
in Florida and everything. and so, you know, there was the shoe
bomber Richard Reid who's attack failed, but he got through the
net. You know, there was a crash in
Brooklyn. There was a plane that went down
in Brooklyn, just a couple of weeks after the attack that they
said was an accident that I still to this day.
Think was suspicious, where the engines fell off the plane.
And all of this stuff. I forgot the name of the flight
now, but and and meanwhile all through the bush years.
What they did was they drummed up fake terrorist plots.
They had the FBI. There's a great book about this.
I actually started to write a book about this at one point,
but none of the Publishers seem to be very interested in it.
But Trevor, Aaronson wrote a book about this called the
terror factory. And it's about how all through
the bush years. They drummed up entrapment cases
against idiots in order to make it look like there was a real
terrorist threat in the country, especially to keep people
afraid. Keep the orange alerts blaring
until they could find a chant until I could have their chance
to invade Iraq. They knew it would take about a
year and a half to build up all their forces in Kuwait to do it.
And so remember the Liberty City 7 who were just some ghetto
gangsters who were broad twenty thousand dollars to say, they
loved Osama into the camera and the microphone had a retarded
kid at a bookstore in New York who they framed up for a plot to
attack the subway. There you Had the the this poor
kid Hamid Hyatt out in Lodi, California where they sent the
FBI sent an informant to infiltrate him.
And his dad. There was no cell who was just a
family, a father and son and this guy insinuated himself into
the family. Started calling the dad dad
started, treating the sun like his little brother and waited
for months and months until he was completely insinuated with
them. And then brow beat this kid into
saying he loved. And then at one time, you could
watch the video of this on the LA Times site.
I'm sure it's not there anymore. But at one point you could watch
the video of the FBI's interrogation of this kid.
And what happened was, he went to Pakistan to Karachi Pakistan
to visit his grandfather. And while he was at, we know
this now while he was there, he did nothing but play soccer, and
video games and hang out with his cousins and then come home
and nothing happened at all. That's the truth.
But what the FBI did was they just coerced him and he Just a
kid and they coerced him into saying that oh, you know what
his father's his grandfather's house and Paxton.
It wasn't in Karachi. It was in Islamabad.
And in fact, actually, yeah, you're right now that I think
about it. It wasn't in Islamabad, Pakistan
at all. It was in Kandahar Afghanistan.
And what were they doing there in Kandahar Afghanistan why his
grandfather's house was an Al-Qaeda training camp.
And and where did these Al-Qaeda Fighters trained?
This kid is clearly making this all up at essentially.
Gunpoint, what were they doing there?
What kind of training? Well, you see, where were they
training in the basement? Yeah.
My grandfather's basement is where all the al-Qaeda Fighters
were training there. And the and the cop says, okay.
Well, what kind of training are we talking about there?
And he says, well, you know, and he kind of pantomimes like he
has a stick. So if you were the FBI agent and
trapping this kid and you know, putting words in his mouth, you
might say what they're teaching them stick fighting, something
like that, right? But this idiot cop says what
pole vaulting. He's teaching them pole
vaulting. And the kid says, yes.
Yes. That's right.
My grandfather is training, al-Qaeda in pole, vaulting, in
his basement, in Kandahar, the jury put this kid in prison for
20 years. He just got out, you know, a
little bit early last year and there are tons of these to Fort
Dix. Pizza plot the the JFK Airport,
gasoline, tank plot, and all of these are completely made up.
Even the This one was Obama years, was the one in Garland
Texas at the draw. Muhammad cartoon contest.
And this one actually came to violence, the guy shot a
security guard but then was shot to death by cops before I even
got out of the car and it turned out that he had been put up to
it by an FBI informant. The last thing, the FBI
informant had said to the kid was go tear up Texas.
You got this. And then that kid went and was
going to kill people at this draw Muhammad contest.
Just so happened, the cops were there, waiting for him and and
kill them in the car. And these went on and on and on.
Now, during this whole time during the bush years.
Well, my show we would talk about how sooner or later.
Entrapments, they won't have to rely on entrapments anymore.
Because the reality is they never did hate us because we're
free. They hated us because of George
Bush and Bill Clinton's foreign policy.
And that's why they attacked us and what George W bush has done
is just double down on that. And so there's no question that
sooner or later. This policy is going to provoke
new attacks against the United States and it's very difficult
for real Al-Qaeda guys to get into the country and plan
attacks, but that's where the so-called law.
Wolf's come in and they just get radicalized read the internet
or, you know, emailing back and forth with an Al-Qaeda guy.
Like Hassan guy did the attack in at Fort Hood where he
attacked and killed American GIS who were about to deploy to
Afghanistan. And he had been in contact with
Anwar, al-aulaqi the al-Qaeda PR guy basically.
And, you know, we don't know. I don't think we know.
Know exactly what they had emailed back and forth, but the
FBI was on his case. The FBI knew that this guy was
in contact with Anwar al-aulaqi and have been emailing back and
forth with him. So were they watching him like a
hawk? Did they urge the Army to kick
him out? And, you know, prevent his
access. No, instead.
They did nothing. They sat on their hands while
this guy killed 13 G is before somebody, finally put him down
and then you know, there's the San Bernardino attack.
There's the Miami Orlando party, Orlando, Florida attack where
the guy attacked a gay nightclub.
And, and this is a really important one to arm arm
routine. They spun the whole thing.
As he has this horrible Islamic religious bias against gay
people and or maybe he was secretly gay himself and was
having a crisis of identity here.
And that, that was his motive and it finally came out after
years. It came out during his wife's
trial, that there was actually no indication whatsoever that
this guy was biased against gays or was gay himself or any of
that narrative at all. The only reason he chose the
Pulse Nightclub is because he first wanted to attack Disney
World, but decided that they had to go to security.
And so instead he decided to he just Googled nightclub, and he
picked Google's first result for Club in Orlando.
And that was why he hit the Pulse Nightclub.
And so, but for years, his motive was completely obscured.
When in fact, he had written on Facebook and had told the 911
operator that this was all about American foreign policy, bombing
Syria bombing, Iraq, bombing Afghanistan.
And so, then there's the guy that did the sidewalk.
Luckily, the bombings that didn't kill anybody on the
sidewalks in New York and New Jersey, during those races was
also motivated by American foreign policy.
See, that guy, that tried to blow up Times Square in 2010.
Faisal, shahzad. He was a naturalized American
citizen with an advanced degree, a big house, a wife, and a car,
and good job, and all of these things and was living, the
American dream better than a lot of us.
Then he went home to Pakistan and he saw the results of an
American drone strike there and was recruited by the tarika
Taliban. That's the Pakistani Taliban
that had never attacked us before had no motive to attack
us at all. Is a separate.
Entirely from the Afghan Taliban which also had never attacked
the United States by the way, but then he tried to set off
this bomb. They trained him and he tried to
set off this bomb in Times Square which luckily failed.
But could have killed many civilians there.
And on during his trial, the judge said, how dare you, how
could you do this? There's women and children
around. And he says, well, your drone
bombing my country right now. You think the Drone operators,
look? And then don't fire.
If there's women and children, they kill women and children.
All the time. That's exactly the same thing.
That's why I'm doing this, the Boston attack the and this is
one where just like as we predicted not only will Bush and
Obama's foreign policy. Provoke more attacks, you know
real attacks against us, but at the same time you're going to
have and these are my words someday.
We're going to be able to transcribe automatically all my
old shows and you'll be able to find you'll be able to search
and find where years. Previously, I had warned that.
While the FBI's chasing, their tail screwing around and
trapping some retarded kid down. At the Islamic bookstore.
You can have real terrorist attacks.
Unfolding real plots unfolding right under their noses.
And that's exactly what happened in.
Boston where the Russians, the evil vile Vladimir Putin had
warned the United States. That these boys were living in
Dagestan and were messing around.
With jihadists, were piling around with very dangerous
people. And so, you should be very Be
careful about them. Well, the FBI, the Boston FBI
was right in the middle of a bogus, entrapment case and all
of their terrorist guys. All their anti-terrorist
personnel were focused on this fake entrapment while the
tsarnayev brothers, blew up the Boston Marathon and killed three
people. And then hilariously the younger
brother crush, the older brother to death in his getaway.
So that was kind of hilarious, but then The younger brother was
snuck into a boat that was his hiding place when he ran away.
He climbed under the tarp of a boat and he had carved into the
inside wall in the fiberglass of the boat that his motive was all
about Afghanistan, America's war in Afghanistan.
Was the motive for him to continue attacking the United
States and you might be familiar Keith with this reporter from
The New York Times named Thomas Gibbons Neff, who for a New York
Times Reporter. I really respect him.
I don't agree. We don't like everything he
writes but he does good work a lot of times and he's a former
Marine and he had written previously.
He worked for the Washington Post before the New York Times,
and he had written a thing in the Washington post about how
there he was in Afghanistan. When he heard about the Austin
marathon attack, and he said we'll wait a minute.
I've been telling myself this whole time, that the reason I'm
over here, putting myself at risk, is to be a magnet for
these bad guys, that they will come, and try to mess with me
way out here in the wilderness and Afghanistan.
And I'll draw them to me and I'll kill him good and by doing.
So, I'll keep my people safe back home, but wait a minute, if
my presence in Afghanistan is what's causing people to attack
civilians back home. Hell, am I doing here?
Aha. Yeah, and it turns out, it
wasn't Freedom. It was George Bush and Bill
Clinton's foreign policy that they hated that motivated them
to attack Us. In the first place, it always
was what America had done to them first.
And so what is George w--? Bush?
Going to admit that, this is all his father's fault.
And his best friend, his stepbrother adopted step
brother, Bill Clinton that they were the ones who had done this.
Nope. Instead, they blame it all on
Americans, innocence, and then they tell you that if we don't
go and kill a million more innocence than somebody's going
to Nuke you in your jammies in the middle of the night.
And so our only choice is to go over there and make war.
And what's funny is again with the counterfactual here with
Iraq about having to go to Iraq. Well colon Powell was the
Secretary of State. He was a former four-star
general chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
He He was the four-star general chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff at the time of Iraq, war one.
So he quite personally had overseen the destruction of a
rock's military. Their water, their sewage, their
electricity, their hospitals are everything you're telling me.
He's not tough enough to send over there to read the riot act
to Saddam Hussein and maybe colon Powell was just an old
marshmallow an old softy by then despite him covering up the My
Lai massacre. Our and despite him being Ronald
Reagan's National Security advisor, maybe by the time of
2002. He was the wimp that Dick Cheney
said, he was okay. So send Dick Cheney.
Then, send Donald Rumsfeld back over there.
We know that Donald Rumsfeld went over there to make a deal
with him and to agree that America would back him in the
war against Iran and to try to pressure him to build a pipeline
to Jordan. At the time.
The Bechtel was supposed to build.
Why can't? We send Donald Rumsfeld?
Back over there, in 2002, to tell, Saddam Hussein.
Listen, we're going to let you keep your clean shaven, chin and
your French beret. As long as you promise to keep,
I'll cater down. And that's all they had to do
some time. Hussein had every interest in
the world to hunt and kill Al-Qaeda guys and no interest
whatsoever in a line with them against the United States and
George. Bush's government knew that and
that war has engendered and spread more terrorism throughout
the world than any other thing. And before Obama even took
office, Bush wants to claim America was Untouched by
terrorist attacks for the To his terms.
Well, what about the Europeans? They had massive attacks in
Spain and England and France and all over the place.
There are a lot easier to get to Western targets.
Are a lot easier to get to and even though those countries had
not attacked Iraq. So Iraq hadn't attacked us
either, but they were close enough of a Target to be
targeted, and the Spanish were targeted clearly because they
did help us invade Iraq and that got them blown up.
And so there's one more point. I was going to make about what
he said there. Good.
A couple sources that I want to go over for the things.
You said. Here's the New York Times, 2012,
April 29th, terrorist plots, helped Along by the FBI
undercover agents and informers posed, as terrorists offering a
dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarm suicide, a
disarmed suicide, vest and rudimentary training.
When Oregon college student, Muhammad Ali Osman Muhammad
thought of using Car Bomb to attack a festive, Kristen
Christmas tree lighting, ceremony in Portland the FBI
provided a van loaded with six 55-gallon, Drums of inert
material, harmless blasting caps, a Detonator cord and a
gallon of diesel fuel to make the van.
Smell flammable, an undercover FBI agent, even did the driving.
He finishes with saying of the 22 most frightening plans for
attacks. Since 9/11 on American soil, 14
were developed in In sting operations, it's not easy.
To tell the difference, the I'm more than that more than that.
If you re Trevor, Aaronson spoke, the terror factory,
there's, you know, probably, you know, 150 of these things.
I am just outright con jobs. I also want to cite from page 51
of Fool's. Errand, you had mentioned the US
was offered Bin Laden. You cite three sources.
White House says no to Taliban offer demand for proof.
CBS News. September 21st, 2001, the guard
IPS news, u.s. Refusal of 2001, Taliban offer
gave Ben Laden. A free pass u.s.
Reject new Taliban offer ABC News, October 14th, Bush
projects, Taliban offer, Washington, Post new offer on
Bin Laden the guardian. So in other words, this was like
open everyone knew that there was an offer and it just didn't
take place. The final thing.
You mentioned was the military tactic of Having someone used
their resources and bringing them in to diminish, their
overall power. This is well known in a
document. I think you've cited it before
by zbigniew Brzezinski, where he says.
Hey Jimmy Carter, we could have the soap we could give this
Soviets their Vietnam by pulling them into Afghanistan.
It's like they trained the mujahideen to do the very same
thing that they want to do to the current empires in America,
and if people want to read the brzezinski's note to Carter, You
can just go to Scott. Horton, dot org, slash fair.
Use. And I have for you right there.
The Jimmy, Carter's executive order ordering the beginning of
support, for the mujahideen on July 3rd, 1979 and submitting
presents Keys, note to Carter in December.
When the Soviets did invade that.
Now we have our opportunity of giving them their own Vietnam
and then very famously. There's also his interview with
the French magazine where he brags about it.
And It says and I told Jimmy Carter now's our chance.
And so, you know, such an important point that listen.
What does it mean to give them their own Vietnam?
Well, what's Vietnam a great Victory?
No Vietnam is a massive no-win Quagmire.
That breaks the bank that divides Society back home that
weakens your own country. It's a trap yet.
We had set for ourselves in Vietnam.
So then one of the parts of the aftermath of that was what was
called the lamented Vietnam syndrome, where the Americans
had this reluctance to go to war that amounted to an illness that
they just didn't want to go on these anymore of these wars
around the world. And so what they decided was
people like zbigniew Brzezinski and Walter slow coming others.
Had said, we'll listen if we had the Vietnam syndrome and And the
American people are reluctant to continue containing communism.
In the way that we done before. Maybe we'll turn it around and
maybe will bait the Russians into over expansion and bog them
down. Give them their own Vietnam.
In order to help to destroy communism.
And then Keith. You can't deny it worked.
I mean, the fact that they, the Soviets withdrew from
Afghanistan in 1989 one year after the wall, came down, and
One year, I guess, two years before the final dissolution of
the Soviet Union that ain't a correlation without causation.
Man. There's a that is one of the
straws that broke the Soviet Union's back help to destroy
them. If you ask the reaganites,
they'll tell you you can find you know, the Hoover
institution, the reaganite saying.
Yeah, and that's how we helped destroy communism was by
supporting the mujahideen in Vietnam, right?
Well, I mean part me in Afghanistan, too.
The Soviets their own Vietnam. Well, of course, the mujahideen
learned the same lesson and the mujahideen.
In this case, wasn't just Afghans.
It was the Arab Afghan Army that the CIA, the Saudis and the
pakistanis recruited. Not just from the Arab world,
but from Indonesia and chechnya and the Philippines and all over
the Muslim world to go and fight in that war, but they all took
the credit for themselves. They didn't give the credit to
Ronald Reagan, and the CIA, they give the credit to Allah.
And it k47 and said, We destroyed the Godless atheist
satanic, Soviet Union. And all we had to do was believe
in Fight Hard. And so they took the very same
lesson and Bin Laden said all through the 1990s that this was
his motive. He was open about this before
the war ever started yet. What he was trying to do was
lure us into of Vietnam. Type Quagmire when Bill, Clinton
pulled out of Somalia after Black Hawk Down in 1990.
Re Bin Laden lamented. That it had been his men who had
shot down the Black Hawk and that it was a deliberate
provocation because they were trying to provoke Bill Clinton
into doubling down the war into a war of attrition.
So he could give us our own Vietnam, bog us down.
Bleed us to bankruptcy and force us out the hard way.
However, many somalis had to die and that he was not concerned.
He was, you know, had his eye on the bigger prize.
And then once he was exiled from Sudan and forced to go to
Afghanistan in 1996, he said over and over again that this
was the plan to bog us down. Bleed us to bankruptcy and you
know, James Bamford. I don't know if I ever found
this original quote that James Bamford in his book, a pretext
for war, says a Bin Laden saw himself in this plan.
He wanted to bog us down. And give us our own Vietnam, he
saw himself in the role of Ho Chi Minh.
And barges downplayed us to bankruptcy.
And then as I told you earlier, once the war happened, he wrote
this letter to mullah Omar saying, don't worry.
It's going to be just like we did to the Soviets where we
bought him down, bleed him to bankruptcy and force them out
the hard way. Then, of course, there's the
famous Beach of 2004, just before the election, where he
says, this is our plan is just as we did to the Russians.
Just as you did to yourselves in Vietnam, we're doing to you now,
so ask yourself then It's been ever since King Walter slocombe.
We're so smart back in 1979 that this was their plan to destroy.
The Soviet Union would be to trick them into trying to tame
Afghanistan. How in the world could these
same people? I mean, Burzynski only died two
years ago or something. How could any of Walter
slocombe? I mean, I don't know what his
job is now but he was one of the guys that dissolved the Iraqi
Army. He was working for George w--
Bush during at least in 2003. So I don't know exactly where he
was during the invasion of Afghanistan, but you would think
he might have picked up the phone and said, you know, this
was our plan to destroy the Soviet Union was to get them to
give themselves their own. In Afghanistan, we should be
really careful that we don't do this to ourselves.
Now, in fact, and there are indications that Donald
Rumsfeld, understood this to, they talked about this in
Woodward's book bullshit War. This was one of the reasons that
they didn't, this is at least one of their excuses.
Keith for not sending enough troops to Corner Al Qaeda at
Tora Bora and finish the job. There was, we don't want to send
too many of our own troops and get bogged down.
In too big of a mission in a costly mission of trying to
pacify Afghanistan, but of course you see the bait and
switch right there. Who said anything about
pacifying Afghanistan. We're talking about cornering,
the Saudis and Egyptians and a few chechens and whoever that
you have, you know, cornered in the nangarhar province.
We're trying to get them. And then it turned out that they
expanded the mission to full regime change in Kabul and
create a new government and declare war against all its
enemies and everything. So now it's 20 years later.
We're still there, but that was one of their excuses at the
time, was that they understood good and well that this is a
sand trap and we should avoid it and then they decided to double
triple quadruple down anyway. What was the United States role
in invading Libya under the Obama Administration?
Okay, so, you know, this is one of the ones that they call
leading from behind and try to say oh no, it's I saw someone
the other day. Was arguing that America didn't
have anything to do with that. That was the French and the
British that did that, but that's just not true.
And the French and the British were waiting on Obama to give
them the okay. And Obama was the one who gave
the okay. And in fact, just in his speech
in while he was traveling in Brazil.
He said okay, we're going to war everybody and then he relied on
a ridiculous lie. A Preposterous lie that Qaddafi
had sworn that he was going to murder every last.
Man woman and child in the city of Benghazi, if we didn't get in
there and stop him. And that would be the equivalent
of letting someone kill every last man woman and child in the
city of Charlotte. That's, you know, that was a
relative size that Obama cited in Charlotte North Carolina.
And so that was why we had to start to war.
And at the beginning of the war, it was all American planes, air
force, and navy planes, that did all of the original shock and
awe attacks. And it was a combination of
American French and British Special Operations forces on the
ground that led the mujahideen through the war and that is who
it was. And, you know, I'll encourage
your audience because it's a hoot to go and watch Michael
Shaw. Sure that's sche yu-er.
Go type in Michael scheuer CNN, Libya, and you'll see Michael
shore, on CNN when he gets in a fight with the to Anchor,
ladies. Because he's saying, Look, the
fighters in this war against Qaddafi right now, in any other
War, we would call them the mujahideen.
That's who they are. These are the guys who are the
Libyan Veterans of Iraq. War two.
They just got back from Iraq, where they were fighting with
zarqawi. They were the worst part of part
of the worst, part of the Sunni base Insurgency that the
Americans were fighting in Iraq war two.
And now they've come home to Libya, and they've set their
sights on Qaddafi and the The CNN lady says, oh, come on.
Mr. CIA officer. You must not know what you're
talking about. Because when the CIA officers be
vetting these guys and sure he says well, yeah.
Sure. The the CIA is vetting.
The guys that come to be vetted by the CIA.
But everybody else isn't talking to the CIA.
They're just going to be taking advantage of the entire
situation and they're going to ultimately be the winners and
the the CNN ladies like well, We just refuse to believe that
because we don't want to because this is an American war and it's
great and sure he's like, yeah. Well, so what you're just
carrying water for mr. Obama, you don't want to know
the truth that what we're doing is, we're taking the side of our
enemies in this thing. And they're like, oh sure.
Yeah, right. Like we would carry water for
Barack Obama. I think we you've had your say,
mr. Sure.
You have a nice day now and they hang up on them.
And that was probably the last time he was ever on CNN.
And then what happened? Who was it?
It was Al Qaeda in Iraq. It was the Libyan Veterans of
al-Qaeda and Iraq. They had been, you know, the,
the British MI6 had helped create the Libyan Islamic
fighting group in the first place and try to use them to
kill. Qaddafi, back in 2000.
Then they became the bad guys again for a little while.
And then in Iraq war to, then when they came home from Iraq
war, two, they decide. Oh, yeah, it's our old friends
in the Libyan, Islamic fighting group.
We're not going to call him aqi anymore.
Now, we're going to call them LIF.
G and ansar al-sharia. And these are moderate Rebels
and everything will be fine. And then and this included a guy
named huh? CD.
Who told the telegraph? Yeah.
I'm a veteran of Iraq. War to where I killed Americans.
What of it? Okay, I guess nothing, no
problem. Go ahead.
And then this guy Abdul Hakim, El hadj had been abducted by the
CIA and the British and tortured in Thailand for being an
associate of Bin Laden and then had been rendered back to Libya,
where Qaddafi had him in prison, but Qaddafi, let him go because
that was one of the demands of the International Community.
Was you got to let all your mujahideen out of prison.
And so he gave in to that demand and let this guy and There's
out. This guy ended up after Obama
put him in power in Tripoli. He sued.
Now. There's no such thing as
anything like the rule of law in America.
So that went nowhere, but in Britain, he actually sued and
won. At least through like a couple
of appellate levels. He sued to MI6 for kidnapping
and torturing him and the British courts.
Let the case go through. I don't know if he finally won
or what but then you know, this is part.
Of the story of what happened to Ambassador Stevens.
In 2012, September 11 2012. The American ambassador to Libya
was killed. Well, first of all, it took nine
months for the mujahideen and American and Allied air power to
win the war, and then Qaddafi was hunted down and raped with a
Bayonet and then shot in the back of the head, on the side of
the road, and then approximately a year after that Ambassador
Stevens. And some others at the makeshift
Consulate in Benghazi, were Old. Well, first question, why
weren't they in Tripoli? What were they doing it in
Benghazi? And of course, the answer is,
this was Hillary Clinton's bank shot, as the New York Times
reported it. Her bank shot to take all the
mujahideen and all the weapons from Libya and start funneling
them on to Syria for the next regime change in favor of
al-Qaeda, against another secular socialist dictator.
And so that's why they were in Benghazi, is They were running
guns and terrorists off to Syria the qataris were, you know,
mostly, you know, running the thing but the CIA was overseeing
the whole thing and and Ambassador was helping to
coordinate it. Well, guess what?
Just because you love Al Qaeda. Don't mean that they love you
now and so just because these guys saw tone.
Good. It's the Reagan years again, and
we can tour the Bill Clinton years.
We can go back to back in these guys.
Well, they still hate your guts. And what happened was Obama and
the CIA had done a drone strike in in Pakistan, that had killed
a guy named shaykh Yahya al-libi.
Now you might recognize the name Al Libby because shaykh Yahya
Libby's brother. I forgot his first name now, off
the top of my head, but his brother had been the guy that
Dick Cheney and the CIA and the Egyptians tortured into Pointing
the finger at Saddam Hussein back in 2002.
Oh, yeah, Saddam Hussein. He taught us Al-Qaeda guys, how
to make chemical weapons, and how to hijack airplanes and all
this. And in fact, the CIA themselves.
We know now the CIA debunked this and so we don't believe him
because we hired the Egyptians to torture, it out of them.
And so this is not really reliable data, but don't worry
colon Powell used it in his UN speech to lie us in a war
anyway, but then in 2012 in July of And 12 CIA killed his brother
Yaya Libby, in a drone, strike in Pakistan.
And right after that. I'm an Alzheimer or like a month
later. Something.
I'm an all-zero way he re because Bin Laden was dead by
then. It's all way here.
He put out a podcast saying, okay.
It's time to avenge our great Libyan friend.
Shaykh. Yahya al-libi, who was murdered
by the Americans. Hey, friendly Libyan mujahideen.
I hear that you guys have some Americans in your midst who
think that they're so clever that they're using you and
Syria. Well, now's your chance and hey,
the anniversary of September 11th is coming up.
And so then what happened on September 11th, ansar, al-sharia
attacked and killed, the American ambassador and, you
know, some of his handlers and a couple of CIA guys to who were
at the house down the road. And so then this is a great
story because it's the definition of the modified
limited hangout, right? So first of all, a limited hang
out. And that phrase was, I believe,
coined by Richard, Nixon himself, in discussions with
ehrlichman and Haldeman. His right-hand men.
A so a limited hangout is like when a kid admits that he did
something wrong because he's trying to prevent you from
finding out what he really did. That was really that bad.
So he confesses halfway and government.
Does that a lot? Right?
So they said, well, you know, you know, the problem here was
that we didn't have enough security and so our guy got
killed and yeah, okay, but then here's the modified.
Let it hang out. The modified limited hangout is
when you lie about your limited hangout and so ago.
Yeah, you know what it was. It was a big protest over this
video on YouTube that got out of hand and turn into a riot, and
that's what killed the guys. So, now you're telling a half
story and you're lying about the half a story to.
So, everybody gets all caught up fighting over whether this
YouTube video, the innocence of Muslims had caused the riot or
not and they get all caught up over.
How much security should have been there or not?
And then only 1% of people are asking the question.
Why are these guys in Benghazi? And Tripoli?
Yeah, what was even going on there at all?
Oh, you were working with the qataris to funnel.
A bunch of al-Qaeda. Terrorists off to Syria and you
had station your Ambassador in the middle of a hornet's nest,
and now you're surprised that he got stunk.
Right. So that's the real truth.
But the modified limited hangout ended up and look, you know, the
way they use the word gate after every Scandal, you know, like
Watergate, but now it's like Lewinsky gate and whatever gate.
Right? Well now Ghazi has become kind
of a joke like gate only. This is when it's a fake Scandal
because the Republicans spent years holding all these
hearings. Remember, Trey Gaudi, and all
these guys holding all these Hearings about.
Well, was it really a riot over the over the video or not and
how much security was there or not?
And the Democrats saw this to be essentially, just a completely
trumped up Scandal, a fake Scandal meant to just hurt
Obama, even though it was simply a matter of bad things happen
sometimes, or something like that.
So, now whenever there's a fake Scandal, they'll add Ghazi on
the end. And in fact, I've even see like
left Wingers who are good. On Russia gate because they're
not Democrats there to left for the Democrats.
And so they'll call it Russia Ghazi.
Oh, yeah, Russia Ghazi and that's means of fake Scandal
that's built out of nothing. But of course that comes from
how fake the modified limited hangout was not how fake the
real Scandal behind the death of the Ambassador and the entire
operation that was going on in Benghazi.
And by the way, what if they told the truth at that time?
Or what if the truth had come out and they hadn't been able to
suppress it. Well, then maybe just maybe the
the pressure for the intervention in Syria would have
been lessened. And the argument on behalf of
staying out of Syria would have been strengthened that look from
the beginning. These guys aren't moderates if
they're so moderate. How come they killed our
ambassador in Libya. They never were moderates.
Their Al-Qaeda, guys. They always were and there were
Different armed, factions that rose up.
But within the first year of the war in Syria, the entire
opposition was dominated by Al Qaeda in Iraq who had come
across the border from Iraq, they'd been almost entirely
eliminated by the Iraqi sunnis and then Obama came and
resuscitated them right back to life and gave them a whole new
Battle Ground to fight in. And then allied with turkey,
Israel, Saudi and Qatar, billions and billions of dollars
in Cold Hard Cash. And weapons to fight that war
that ended up lasting for five years and grew into the actual
Islamic State. The islamofascist caliphate of
George, Bush's, ridiculous propaganda and Osama.
Bin Laden's. Wildest Dreams actually did come
true because Obama backed them in Syria and to such a degree
that they ended up strong enough that they were able to conquer
all of Western Iraq. And, and Eastern Syria, and
Western Iraq, which Recitative then, Iraq war three that Obama
launched in August of 2014 and lasted through the end of 2017
there to destroy the Islamic State.
So who was the U s-- backing in Syria in operation Timber
Sycamore? Well, so it's beyond Timber,
Sycamore Timber. Sycamore was just one part of
it, but overall, they were, I don't know if they ever directly
backed the al-nusra front there, but they didn't.
To all they needed was the slightest deniability, you know,
the so-called moderate Rebel groups, like The al-farouq
Brigade, The hazem Brigade, the newer Al's Inky, and these other
groups CIA would give the weapons and the money to them
and then they would turn it right over to the al-nusra
front. They would come and train with
the Americans in Jordan. And in Turkey, they get their
weapons, their training, their money, and then they turn right
around and go and join the ranks of the al-nusra front.
And they'll know, sir. A front is nothing but the
Syrian faction the Syrian dominated faction of al-Qaeda in
Iraq from Iraq, war two. And so, then the split between
Isis and al-nusra came in 2013, when the leader of Isis decided,
Well, Bin Laden's dead. And so he might have done what
Bin Laden said but whose Ayman al-zawahiri anyway, and and you
know, why should I listen to him?
And so I hurried was the guy who said we have to attack the
United States first. We have to get rid of the far
enemy first. Ballgame down, bleed them to
bankruptcy like the Soviets, force them out of the region.
Only then can we try to create our islamofascist caliphate?
Because otherwise, the Americans will come and bomb it off the
face of the Earth again. And so baghdady said, well, nuts
to you. I want my caliphate now and I
don't want to wait, you know, they had renamed al-Qaeda in
Iraq. They had renamed it, the Islamic
State of Iraq, back in 2006, which at the time was kind of a
joke because they had no ability to create.
Date a state anywhere at all, but it also showed you where
their head was at and what it was that they wanted out of all
of this. And so, by 2013, essentially, in
the spring of 2013, the Iraqi dominated faction of al-Qaeda in
Iraq, split off from the Syrian dominated faction of al-Qaeda in
Iraq, which is known as Al nusra, and started going by
their old name. Again, the Islamic State of
Iraq. Now, they added and Syria or,
and the Levant and All right here he sent an emissary to come
and negotiate to keep Isis in the al-Qaeda group and back,
Daddy killed the Emissary and said to Zola, Harry you made
your law. Let's see you enforce it, right?
Like Andrew Jackson and the Supreme Court on the Trail of
Tears. So then he Consolidated power
over Eastern Syria. And then, one year later, in the
spring of 2014 rolled right into Western Iraq, and so, none of
this could have happened without the US.
And in fact, that famous photo of the line of Toyota trucks
rolling in from Syria toward mosul, where'd all those trucks
come from? It came from Hillary Clinton, in
the state department. They were the ones who arranged
for all those trucks. It was Barack Obama's government
who had given all those trucks. There's a great story in Public
Radio International all about it.
And you might remember the story.
You can still find memes about this.
Sometimes of there was a guy who owned a plumbing company in
Corpus Christi, Texas who had his the name of his company in
the phone number on the side of his truck.
It was a work truck and he had sold it to traded it in to a
local car dealership for a new truck.
And then like half a year later, there's footage coming out of
Syria of these terrorists. Firing a machine gun from the
back of his old truck, and people are calling the guy and
threatening to kill him and his kids because he's a traitor on
the side of the Terrace and all this stuff and he's like, come
on man. I'm a plumber from Corpus.
I never left the thing. I'm a proud American Patriot.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Well, of course what had happened was the state
department had bought his truck and had given it to these guys.
That's the only explanation for how that.
Gotten their hands on it. And so, you know, Obama claimed.
In fact, there's a hilarious clip.
If you never seen this Keith, you got to look up this great
clip of Ben's Swan the libertarian former local news.
Anchor interviewing. Barack Obama and, Barack Obama
comes to his town and been swan has a chance to ask him some
questions. And I love the way he sets it up
to, he goes, you know, right now, this is before we took Al
qaeda's side in This is when we're still fighting against al
Qaeda and Yemen, he goes right now.
You're you're hunting and killing got the CIA hunting and
killing these Al-Qaeda guys in Pakistan and in Yemen, fighting
this war against al queda, right?
And Obama's like haha. Yeah, and he was so how backing
out Caden Syria? No.
Bhagavato. I don't know what you're talking
about. I don't know anything and
actually, you know, I'll tell you been, what we're doing is
we're being very careful, like he concedes.
Okay, we're backing the same side of the war that Al qaeda's
on. But we're being very careful
about vetting who we Supply and also we're not giving them
weapons. We're just giving them
non-lethal material. Like say a pickup trucks and
money that of course could be used to buy guns and the rest
and then I can't leave this up. There's an article in the
Atlantic. It's an interview of Obama.
Bye. Jeffrey Goldberg who's Israel's
commissar of American Media and Jeffrey Goldberg.
Basically. First of all, the article is
called as president. I don't Bluff and what he's
talking about there. Is he saying to Jeffrey?
Goldberg. Would you please tell these
Raley's for me, that you believe me?
When I say that I will never let Iran get nukes.
I will nuke Iran before I let them get nukes.
And when I'm making a deal with them that's to prevent them from
getting nukes. Not that help.
I'm get nukes, you believe me. Don't you join Jeffrey?
Goldberg, please tell the Israelis for me.
They listen to you. That's essentially the point of
the interview. Okay, but they talked about
Syria in there. Again.
It's called as president. I don't Bluff.
Okay. You go through their control,
F4, Syria. And you find Jeffrey.
Goldberg says to Obama. Hey, man, don't you think that
if we got rid of Assad in Syria, this is spring of 2012.
So, this is, you know, a year into the intervention here,
don't you think that if We got rid of Assad, that, that would
be a great way to weaken Iran. And Obama says, absolutely.
That's exactly what we're doing. And that's exactly why we're
doing it. We're targeting us odd, the
secular bought, this dictator of of Syria whose coalition
government. Essentially protects all of the
ethnic and religious minorities, the alawites, the Shiites, the
druze, the Assyrian child, Ian and Mariah night Christians and
least a solid plurality of not the Already of the Sunni Arabs
as well. From these mujahideen terrorists
that are being backed by the US and he said, yeah, but if we got
rid of him, wouldn't that help weaken, Iran and Obama says,
yep, that's right. That's exactly what we're doing.
And why were doing it? And so then Goldberg says, well,
but what exactly are we doing? Can you tell me some more about
what we're doing to achieve that goal and he's so sorry.
I can't tell you Jeffrey because your classified clearance isn't
High Enough. In other words, I could tell
you, but then I'd have to kill you, joke, joke ink, that yet.
We are arming the terrorists to fight against Assad, but I can't
go into the details on that, but it ain't just trucks.
And by the way, of course, as I mentioned, the Saudis, the
qataris, the Turks, and the Israelis were all working
together on this same plan to, in fact, type in for your
audience, type in Biden, Harvard Syria, and there's a on YouTube
of Biden at Harvard explaining this Thing.
But blaming it on all of our allies, instead of taking any
responsibility for the Obama Administration himself.
He says, oh no, it's just Saudi and turkey and Qatar who have
decided that they want to back anybody who's opposing Assad,
but it turns out that includes some really dangerous guys and
that includes Al-Qaeda terrorists.
And so there's your story confirmed.
In fact, I got another good one, John Kerry who was Hillary
Clinton's replacement at state. In the second term.
John Kerry, and his assistant. I forgot the guys name.
They were secretly recorded. While meeting with a group of
Exile Rebel supporters in Great Britain, and they explained in
there, John Kerry's own words. He's saying to them.
That look, I know you guys want more guns, but we dumped a ton
of guns into Syria. Okay, and then he says this, I
swear you can check me. He says we saw the rise of Isis,
but we thought we could manage. We thought we'd be able to use
the rise of Isis as pressure against Assad that he'd better
resign, but that didn't work instead.
He just called in Iran and Russia to help him.
And so, now we're in the position where we've got the
Islamic State, and I don't know, he doesn't say this specifically
at that point, but he's llama State headed east.
Into Western Iraq, they didn't go west to Damascus, or they did
try for a bit. And in fact, it was in the
November of 2015, that Isis was finally ready to march on
Baghdad, and had cut one of the major highways.
I forgot, which think it was the M4 Highway they call or
something like that, between Damascus and Aleppo.
And they were marching on Damascus.
And it was only, then that finally, the Russians intervene
and came in and started bombing them.
And you'll remember all that. Rage in the liberal media at the
time that oh, no, they're not bombing Isis.
They're bombing the rebels. Meaning the cia's terrorists.
They're bombing the al-nusra front and their allies instead
of their old allies, the Islamic State.
And they even came up with all these lies that Assad was
secretly backing Isis. When it was the Americans and
their allies especially turkey, who had been backing Isis and
Phil geraldi, the former CIA officer had gone in Teen had
gone to Turkey. He had formerly been stationed
in Turkey when he was CIA and likes to go back there on
vacation sometimes and things. And I forget if he was in, if he
was in Ankara or Istanbul. I think he said he was in Ankara
and their guys, raising money for Isis all up and down the
street in downtown, anchor, whatever, right?
They're blatantly in front of everybody.
And everybody in the world, knew that if you wanted to go and
fight with Isis, you got to go to Turkey and then go across the
border from there. There was even a case where the
FBI and the justice department prosecuted an American who was
trying to travel to Turkey to go fight with Al nusra over there
and his defense, which is totally believable was but the
CIA recruited me. I was going to fight on the side
of the good guys. What do you mean?
Now you're going to put me in prison for material support for
terrorism. Well the FBI and the CIA are
always fighting it just ain't fair and so And then, and there
were hundreds of Americans at least thousands of Europeans who
went to Syria to fight on the side of the terrorists, who,
then the FBI admitted. They weren't even tracking these
guys. They didn't even know which
Americans had gone to fight and might be coming back again.
And not very much like page 57 of Fool's errand, where you
reference, a conversation between Wesley, Clark and Amy
Goodman, where he refers to a memo that Donald Rumsfeld drawn
up. By Secretary of Defense, Donald
Rumsfeld staff listing, seven countries for regime change,
Iraq Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran were.
So we've gotten so much info on Iran.
What? Was the u.s.
Role in Somalia? Well, yeah, this is the saddest
one and it always gets the short shrift unfortunately, but it's
at least as bad as the Yemen more or Iraq war two, I think in
2001 right after September 11th. They sent jsoc and CIA before
even New Year's. Jsoc.
NCI. That jsoc is joint, Special
Operations Command. That's the top-tier Special
Operations forces, Delta and Seal Team Six and I guess
sometimes part of the 75th. Division and and I guess there's
an Air Force component to, I'm not sure.
Anyway, mostly means Delta and Seal Team Six and CIA and they
were sent to go and hunt and kill mujahideen Terrace.
And so what they did was they hired the bad guys from Black
Hawk Down. You remember, a deed was the bad
guy in Black Hawk Down? Well, they hired his son and
other Warlords, like him. To go hunt down and kill
islamist. Well, of course, what they did
was probably showed up with a few as long as scalps, but
mostly they were just building up their own power and influence
and the more they persecuted people, the more resistance.
They got, the more they went back to the CIA and ask for more
money, and more guns, and the CIA kept giving them more money,
and more guns, and the more money and guns.
They got the more, they abuse the local population and the
more that the population came together against them.
Now, you hear, Liberals all the time say oh if you like Freedom
so much. Why don't you move to Somalia?
Because of course everybody knows that freedom is, what's
wrong with Somalia. Well, actually Freedom was
working for Somalia. The formerly us backed Communist
dictatorship of Syed. Bar, a had fallen at the end of
the Cold War. Yes, America back the Communists
in Ethiopia. You're probably too young.
But when I was in fourth grade, it was Michael Jackson and Cyndi
Lauper and Hands Across America. To raise money for the people
dying of starvation in Ethiopia. Well, that was the soviet-backed
communist government in Ethiopia.
That was starving. Everybody to death, America was
backing their enemies. The Somali Communists, who
crossed the line there. It wasn't communism.
That was just whose side you're on that.
Determine whether you got American support and so but
after his dictatorship fell, the country fell into Civil War
through the 1990s. But eventually what happened was
the warlord's just burn themselves out and no warlord
ever ended up seizing major power and any place.
And so the the most powerful Warlords were essentially, you
know, neighborhood bosses that never really controlled an
entire city or anything. And so Somali was left in his
state of de facto Anarchy. It's not that they had all
discovered rothbard Ian libertarianism.
It's just that there was no one there to consolidate power.
So the port of Mogadishu and kismayo were both wide open.
No tariffs open trade. They had the highest rate of
increase of standard of living of any East African country at
the time and maybe of all sub-Saharan Africa to and then
that was also measured by increases in cell phone.
Technology being put up and all kinds of measures of the
increased standard of living. And in fact, I have an article
about this. This for the future, Freedom
Foundation. It's called US government to
blame for somalia's misery and I cite my sources in there.
If you want to read where Libertarians had found that.
Hey, anarcho-capitalism, defacto, Liberty is working for
the people of Somalia. Well, it wasn't until and that
was lasted that lasted for years.
It wasn't until America started backing these horrible Warlords
that they the people of Somalia ended up coming to Gather and
forming the Islamic courts Union to oppose them.
And by Union they meant that very literally.
It was 13, different groups that have come together to join in
this new government war is the health of the state and this
conflict had created a new government there and the Islamic
courts Union in 2005 whooped all the Warlords and force them
across the line into Ethiopia, but they were, you know, hold up
in hotel. Has over there and the I see you
had taken over the country. Then the Americans flipped out
and said, oh no, these are Al-Qaeda, guys.
And they have Islamic in their name and their the very worst
and they had like close down a couple of movie theaters, but
they didn't have anything like the ability to enforce a Taliban
style regime of islamist austerity on these people.
It's a very different tradition there of Islam in Somalia, and
they're not used to live in like the Afghan Taliban.
Rule. And they wouldn't have put up
with that anyway, and and I see you didn't really have, I don't
think the will or the ability to try to force that kind of system
on people. And they certainly had no
alliance with Al-Qaeda at all, but then in and so they
Consolidated their power through 2005 and 2006, and then in
Christmas 2006, George W, bush invaded and he got the
Ethiopians, of course, to lead the way but the CIA Jay and the
joint Special Operations Command helped with the original
Invasion and they sack, these Lama courts Union, force them
out of power and committed, massive war crimes.
The Americans, you know, were mass murder and people from
their ac-130s, you know, with their Vulcan cannons and
artillery and whatever. They're blasting out of there
and the Ethiopians committed and their historical Rivals.
Ethiopians are Christians and the somalis are Muslim and
they've had their problems in the past.
And so they came in They were raping and pillaging and burning
and looting and murdering civilians and going crazy.
Torturing people, including at least one American who is
abducted and rendition to Kenya and was tortured under the watch
of the FBI and the CIA. And then what happened though.
Was that the very smallest and weakest part of the Islamic
courts Union, al-shabaab, which means the youth, You know, they
were nobodies in the Islamic courts.
Union, Islamic courts. Union was run by the uncles and
The Grandfather's and the imams and the village Elders,
neighborhood Elders. The youth were to sit in the
back and be better seen and not heard.
But now, once the war came, War is the health of the Infantry.
And so it was the youth, al-shabaab were the ones who
picked up rifles and fought and successfully beat the, the
Ethiopian Army back and forced them back out of the country
again. And so, then America double down
their support, for the Ethiopians who ended up re
invading. And then they also support the
African Union troops. His troops from Kenya Ethiopia
Burundi and I forget where else who came in as the occupying
force and the Americans and the United Nations created something
they call the transitional federal government to be the new
government of Somalia and they fought like hell for years.
And you read this on page 222 of Jeremy scahill, 's book, Dirty
Wars. And he went to Somalia and met
with some of these mujahideen Warlords.
Our Lord's and wrote all about it.
And on page 222. He's got a quote from the state
department lady. Oh, I'm getting ahead of myself.
So, November, October, November 2008, time's up for the Obama
for the Bush Administration right there on their way out.
They've got to figure out something here.
So Condoleezza Rice makes a deal and says that Sheikh Sharif who
had been the leader of the Islamic courts Union.
Okay, Sheikh Sharif. You can be the president but you
have to be the president in the form of the transitional federal
government that we've created here.
And so he said, okay and took that compromise and took power,
so they just fought a war for two years.
Two full years kill, hundreds of least, hundreds of thousands of
people. And then they decided, oh well,
screw it. We'll go ahead and keep Sheikh
Sharif anyway, and let him be the leader anyway, and then, on
page, 222 of Jeremy scahill is book.
He has the quote, from the state department flunky saying, yeah.
Well, you know, ultimately we just wanted to take him down a
peg. We just wanted to hurt him some
and weaken his position, but now we're happy to go ahead and have
Sheikh Sharif. Be the guy, and he ended up
staying in power until 2012 the same guy.
So in their own words, the war was for nothing.
In their own words, it was a war that didn't have to be fought at
all. And then the worst part of it,
of course, is the drought and the famine that took place.
So and there's been a couple of them, the worst was in 2010 and
11 and what had happened was the sun came out and and stayed out.
There's no rain. There's a massive drought in all
of East Africa, but you won't be surprised to know that.
Even in commie Eritrea. They were still able to eat.
In Ethiopia. And in Kenya, they were also
blasted by this same Heat Wave, but they were able to survive.
But in Somalia, they weren't in Somalia.
They laid down and died, 250,000 of them, minimum died, most of
those Keith. Children under 5 years old, they
died. And the reason they died is
because of the war, you know capitalism has abolished the
famine from the face of the earth except when a capitalist
country like ours goes to war against helpless weak, innocent
people like these. And so what happens is the
Farmers can't plant their crops and they can't read them and if
the few farmers who are able to harvest their crops, they don't
have any good vehicles for bringing the food to Market.
And by the way, there's no Market, and if there was,
there's no customers because nobody has any money, the entire
system of distribution of the most basic facets of sustainable
life were destroyed. And so the people were living in
refugee camps, you know, in little tense up and down the
sides of the highways and they're just laying down and
dying. Most of them little baby
children, starving to death children under 5 years old, you
know, anybody under five years old.
Yeah, people listen. In people watching, you know,
anybody under five years old. Those are the people who are
starving to death in Somalia at the hands of George w--, Bush,
and Barack Obama. And now Trump to, and we've been
at War this whole time. When there's a great article in
the Washington post about this is two years ago.
Now of Donald Trump arguing with James Madison's, then Secretary
of Defense and, you know, Donald Trump doesn't even know where
Somalia is, right? So he's going well, where the
hell is Somalia, and to his credit?
Where's Somalia? Why do we have troops there?
Why do I care? What happens in Somalia?
Why should American soldiers be there?
And then James Madison told him? Well, sir.
We're trying to prevent a Times Square attack.
Well, but wait a minute. Now, remember, 40 minutes ago
when we were talking about the Time Square attack.
That was direct revenge for the Drone war in Pakistan.
That wasn't because we weren't fighting in Pakistan.
That's because we were fighting in Pakistan that the Times
Square attack on American civilians was provoked.
But anyway, whatever James Madison's a liar, so he says,
well, we're trying to prevent an attack on Times Square.
Mr. Trump. And Trump still isn't by.
And this is according to the Washington Post now.
So maybe it's a total lie. I don't know.
But it seemed like it was coming from the Hawks themselves and
they said that Mattis told him, this is how the article ends
Mattis tells President Trump. You have no choice.
And then what is Trump do? He sends the Infantry?
Not just Special Operations forces and CIA drone Killers,
but he sends the Infantry to go run around in the woods, trying
to hunt down and kill al-shabaab.
And they've had, you know, all kinds of of casualties of
innocent people in Somalia, under the Trump years as well.
Here. We are almost four years into
Trump and he hasn't done a thing to stop any of these wars at
all. Well, he's negotiated an exit
from Afghanistan, but it To be seen, whether that'll actually
be implemented but the rest of the wars he's done nothing but
double them. And what is the u.s.
Involvement in Yemen? Yeah.
So this is really the very worst one in 2009.
Obama comes in and he orders the CIA.
I want you guys to hunt and kill.
Al-Qaeda guys, forget all this going after Saddam Hussein in
the baathists. We're actually hunting and
killing Bin Laden nights now. Okay, so go to Pakistan.
Go to Yemen kill these guys off. He wanted to end the war on
terrorism. He wanted to fight it and win it
and finish it. Yeah, right.
So what happens is that CIA does launch a air campaign and and
Special Operations forces launched a war against al-Qaeda
in the Arabian Peninsula. These were the guys who had
helped coordinate the September 11th attack.
They had bombed the USS Cole in the year 2000 and importantly,
the real drone war in Yemen started in.
Early end of October. Beginning of November 2009.
Well, then it was on Christmas Day. 2009.
The end of December. Was when the Underpants bomber
tried to blow up the plane over Detroit and he'd been sent there
by aqap to do it. He was a Nigerian but he'd been
recruited in Yemen and sent by these.
You many Al-Qaeda guys to do the attack and then according to all
the official mythology. That's when America's
intervention in Yemen, ramped-up was in response to the
Underpants bomb. When know the Underpants bomb
was retaliation for the American.
More again cart before horse, but that's how they like to lie
by omission and by trying to confuse your chronology, you
know, and so but if you go read anti-war.com for, you know, news
dot anti-war.com Jason did. His writings for the fall of
2009. You see that America was the
Drone bombing had already begun. So now, this is totally
counterproductive, the more they bomb.
Now, Kata the more that they grew them and Jeremy scahill.
Again. He wrote about this.
This in his book, Dirty Wars, and into great articles for the
nation. One of them is called something.
Yemen War, backfires war in Yemen backfire, something like
that. And it's about how every time
that they Dropped a Bomb on the aqap, guys.
They ended up killing innocent people and driving more people
into the aqap group. And one important case.
There was a town leader Village Elder type guy.
Who had gone to a meeting with the al-Qaeda guys to tell them,
they better stay the hell away from his village if they know
what's good for them and the Americans bomb that meeting and
kill the old man who has telling them to that.
They better stay away. If they know what's good for
them killed him too and along with 20-something women and
children were killed in that one.
And so it's just like pouring water on a garden, right?
Pouring blood on Al-Qaeda. You just grow them, and grow
them and groan. Okay, so that's in the south of
the country. Country against the al-Qaeda,
guys. Now, approximately in the middle
of the country is the capital city of Sanaa.
And at that time, the dictator. There was a guy named Abdullah
Saleh and Saleh had been working for the American since at least
Bill Clinton. I think the George W or George
h.w., Bush years, like 30 years loyal, patron of America client
State and so Obama had to pay him in money and guns for
permission to. Wage the Drone war.
In fact, he would even take responsibility for drone
strikes. That everybody knew were
American drone strikes. Chelsea Manning later proved in
the Wikileaks that they had a deal that he would take
responsibility for the American deaths, but then he took all the
money and guns and picked a fight with the houthis who are a
group of zaidi. Shh Rebels, from the north of
Yemen up in the Sada Province and the problem with that was
every time he attacked them, they beat him.
Every time he attacked them, they grew stronger, just like
Al-Qaeda grew stronger. Every time we attacked them in
the South, the houthi group, grew, stronger and stronger,
every time Salah attacked them, then the Arab Spring revolutions
and days of rage and all that common 2011, and there's a
massive protest movement and the houthis join it.
The houthis, the southern socialist.
I don't know about the al-Qaeda, guys, but the Muslim Brotherhood
and everybody else were saying, we got to get rid of Salah.
Now, we want democracy and regular elections, and whatever.
Well, somebody set off a bomb and almost killed Salah or at
least they wounded him pretty severely.
So he was at home convalescing and at that point, Hillary
Clinton made a deal with the Saudis that let's go in there
and we'll push him out and we'll install his vice president Hadi
in power, and they held an election.
And again, check my work, just put it in haughty, ballot 2012.
And you'll see there's one man on the ballot one.
On the ballot, just like in the Soviet Union.
Yeah, you can vote but there's only one party to vote for same
kind of thing here and Hillary Clinton called this, the
invention of you, many democracy that she and Saudi had installed
a dictator. Okay.
Well, so haughty made the same mistake that Salah made in
trying to attack the houthis in the north, but he never had
anything like the power and influence lined up that Salah
had had. And in fact Keith, when Saleh
lost his job. Job was fired by the Americans.
He didn't just run off. He took his army with him and
took, you know, like two-thirds of the army followed Salah when
he left. And then here's the rub.
He went and joined forces with the houthis because it turns out
aha that Salah was not a member of the houthi, political
movement, but he was as a Tisha from the north just like them
and so he made an alliance with them and they ended up marching.
The capital city and seizing it by the end of 2014 and forced
hottie out of power. Now, if you check carefully, if
you look at the factors, read my last couple articles for anti
war.com., There's some references to this in there,
wherever I mentioned, Yemen always bring this up, that
there's a Wall Street Journal article, and there's some an
article in al-monitor by Barbara slavin.
And she report and they both report the same thing.
NG Michael Vickers. Who was the deputy secretary of
defense for now. He was a general but he was
maybe he's deputy secretary of defense for intelligence some
like that. I forget his exact policy, his
exact role. That's a civilian position.
I think. But maybe he was out of the,
maybe he was a civilian by them. I'm pretty sure he was deputy
secretary of defense for intelligence, but had been a two
star. Anyway, so Michael Vickers
explains to the Atlantic Council and Barbara slavin reports this
and then the Wall Street Journal had it from other sources that
the u.s. Is working with the houthis.
We don't mind if the houthis take over the capital city.
What do we care about that? You know who the houthis hate
Al-Qaeda? And so we're passing
intelligence. Who teased for them to use to
Target and kill Al-Qaeda guys, which was working, and they were
successful at that. But then, just two months later,
Barack Obama in March of 2015, stab, the houthis in the back
and took Al qaeda's side against them.
When Saudi Arabia wanted to launch this war, it was Crown
Prince bone saw Mohammed bin Salman, who was at that time had
just been named Deputy Crown Prince.
And defense minister just 29 years old and Patrick cockburn
wrote an article back of the time about how this is all
public Choice, Theory politics inside the Saudi royal family.
It's hardly has anything to do with the houthis are Yemen.
This is about Mohammed. Bin, Salman moving up in the
chain of command and solidifying, his power inside
the Royal establishment, there in Saudi Arabia, which
apparently did help him because he arrested his cousin Ben Nye
f, Made himself Crown Prince. He's now the de facto King
marginalized all his cousin's, arrested all his uncle's and
anybody who could stand in his way and and moved up, and launch
this war, and the Obama government help them do it.
And the Obama government. They told the New York Times.
That the reason that they did it was because they had to placate
the Saudis and they knew as they put it that the war.
Just the houthis would be long, bloody and indeterminate.
In other words. They knew that they didn't even
know what victory was supposed to look like.
And they launched it anyway. And why to placate the Saudis
why they have to placate the Saudis because Obama was in the
middle of doing a deal with the Iranians for the nuclear deal.
Now, you might think that that nuclear deal, which very much
did lock down the Iranian nuclear program and prevent them
from even being theoretically possible, you know, within a
year of being able to make a single nuclear bomb.
You might think that was a big favor to the Saudis that boy.
See how We protect your interests walking down and runs
nuclear program, but no turns out that the Iranian bomb was
always a hoax. Anyway, if Saudis weren't afraid
of that, that was always a pretext.
What they were afraid of was that Obama might tilt back
toward Iran and make America friends with Iran again, and
that Saudi Arabia would lose their place of importance in the
American dominated order in the Middle East.
And so, in order to placate them, he one went along with
escalating, their policy against Iran's friend.
Bashar al-assad in Damascus and help them to launch this war
against the yemenis, against the houthis and this meant and look,
the Saudis don't have a land force of any real note.
That's it for the u.s. Army, but all of their planes
and all their weapons, and everything that they have comes
from us. And so it was American, f-15s
flying dropping American bombs made by Lockheed and Raytheon is
American ships in the u.s. Navy sailing offshore to enforce
the blockade and help the Saudis enforce the blockade.
There is Boeing planes doing the refueling.
So that, that Saudi f-15s can loiter.
And look around for new targets to hit.
It was American contractors, spies and military men who are
helping them pick all there. Target's collecting all their
intelligence for them and I don't know exactly what you call
this Keith, but I have five different sources.
Who each have one source for journalists.
And one former Ambassador all who have one source each saying
that there were American white boys, sitting in the back seats
of those. F-15s holding the princelings
hands all the way to their targets.
Helping them fly in order to drop those bombs at least in the
early days of War. And so even though just like,
with Obama in Libya, you can call it leading from behind.
It's absolutely an American war it.
Absolutely could not be taking place without American support
and Obama and Trump both have to slight degree kept up the war
against aqap as well. But not really.
I mean, there's a mission here in a mission there.
But in fact, aqap, has joined up the United Arab Emirates It's
mercenary Army there. The UAE is in League with the
Americans and the Saudis and their mercenary Army on the
ground, includes all the al-Qaeda, guys have joined them.
And, you know, there's a reporter that I talked to from
time to time from Sanaa name, Nasser are Abby and I, and
former New York Times Reporter before he started reporting on
this aspect of the war that they don't want to hear, but I asked
him. Hey, man, you know, they say
they're still fighting aqap at the same time.
They're fighting aqap's enemies, the houthis there, any truth
That and he just laughs and scoffs.
Oh, you know, really the CIA is drone bombing.
The uae's Army on the ground. Yeah, I don't think so.
And, you know, the Associated Press has done actually quite a
bit of really good work on American support and our allies
support for aqap there in this war and, including the uae's
torture of innocent. You, many captives, and so
forth. And CNN last year, did a special
report? And I know CNN, but this was
Credible did a report about Al-Qaeda guys.
Driving around in American em wraps and this is not like
Western Iraq. Where Isis is stealing from the
armory's that the Americans left behind.
This is equipment that the Americans gave to the UAE and
the UAE is filling them up with their mercs which include a
bunch of al-Qaeda guys. And so this war is treason.
It is being fought on behalf of al-Qaeda in the Arabian
Peninsula. The guys that helped coordinate.
82, September 11th attack the guys that bomb the coal, the
guys that did the Underpants bombing on Christmas. 2009, the
guys that did the heart. That Charlie hebdo' attack in
France, that did the package bomb plot that failed.
Luckily. It was meant to blow up a plane
over the US. This war is treason and just
like Somalia across the Red Sea. There.
It amounts to a genocide, a campaign of starvation, and mass
death against the civilian population of the country.
And as Martha, Monday above all has documented but many others
as well. The Saudi u.s.
Saudi UAE Alliance here. Al Qaeda Alliance.
They have targeted the Farms. They target the grain silos,
they target. Flocks of sheep in the field.
They target the irrigation systems.
They target the hospital's the Waterworks the electricity, the
sewage, they bombed dozens of hospitals.
They they're doing everything they can to destroy the very
basic, you know parts of the yemeni economy for the
sustainment of civilian life. They're deliberately targeting
and killing the civilian. Relation in order to try to
pressure them to overthrow their government, which never works.
It's never worked. We've had the same policy in
Cuba for 70 years. It hasn't worked.
We had the policy in North Korea for 70 years.
It's never worked. We have this policy in Iraq for
12 years between h.w. Bush.
I mean, for well, 10 years between h.w., Bush, and Bush, do
all 12, because it was Halfway through Bush senior, then all
the way through Bill Clinton and then a couple of years in a bush
jr. They had this policy against
Iraq, never led to the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, but it did
lead to the September 11th attack against the United
States. Our policy of keeping troops in
Saudi Arabia Airman. In Saudi Arabia in order to bomb
and blockade Iraq. In order to force them out is
the main thing that provoked them to turn on the US and
attack them. She'll take us back in 2001 and
on on page. Actually, let me just say real
quick that we know for a fact that at least a quarter of a
million civilians have died in this thing 85,000.
Children under 5 years old 85,000 and and that was last
year's numbers are certainly much higher now and we're also
on the verge of the rainy season and therefore third cholera
outbreak as well. The last two cholera outbreaks
out. There have been the most severe
in recorded modern human history.
With hundreds of thousands of cases and thousands of deaths.
Sure, and on page 37, you mention Madeleine Albright on 60
Minutes. Discussing those sanctions
saying that she believed that the price was worth it later on
page. I think it's 56.
But later, you actually, quote, Bin Laden's letter to the
Americans, which he actually addresses sanctions against
Iraq, so, it's not like, well, I kind of have a feeling, like
they're the ones who say, I have a feeling, they hate us for our
Freedom. We have actually documented
evidence to back up any, any statements that we make, of
course. If you go to Clinton
foundation.org under charitable donations between 10 and 25
million dollars. You could find the Saudi royal
family. They're also November 20th, 2018
statement from President. Donald J.
Trump on standing with Saudi Arabia after the khashoggi
incident of the 450 billion dollars 10. 110 billion will be
spent on the itís of military equipment from Boeing, Lockheed
Martin Raytheon, and many other great us defense contractors.
That is on whitehouse.gov. So, yeah, the Saudis are
absolutely infiltrating. The US government.
That's why Russia is the great great distraction.
So this is, I think about what he's saying there that the USA
that we're simply mercenaries and that if you pay us, money
will murder whoever you want. The houthis, never attacked us.
Never. Us again they were working with
centcom to kill Al-Qaeda guys up until the moment that Obama stab
them in the back and then think about what he's saying there.
First of all, the 400 billion four hundred fifty billion
dollars that the Saudis invest in the United States.
What a crock. There's no 450 billion dollars
coming from Saudi into the United States, even the hundred
billion that he says is going to these few defense contractors is
way overblown. That's what they promised to
spend over the next 10 or 15. 15 years, this kind of thing.
And so, but even take it at face value.
Well, this is a 20 trillion dollar economy.
So assuming you had no morals whatsoever.
And you're simply a mercenary that's still is absolute chicken
feed that has nothing to do with benefiting the American people.
In any sense whatsoever, you know, benefiting employees of,
Lockheed fine, but that's such a small percentage of the GDP of
this. Country.
There's no way that you could spin that as beneficial to
America as a whole at all. And then, especially as Thomas
Jefferson said, I tremble. When I reflect that God is just
and that his Vengeance cannot sleep forever.
And so, whether you believe in karma or Jesus or whatever is
your thing here, this is the history of the world, being
written America, killing hundreds, and hundreds, and
hundreds of Of thousands of innocent civilians in the words
of our president for the money. We're doing this.
Yeah. It's incredible.
Smedley Butler. Warned about it in like the
1920s, Eisenhower was a World War Two General and a president,
he warned about it and then you have Trump openly saying it.
So this is going to be released on April 19th tomorrow.
So I gotta ask you to more big questions and then we got the
five questions. Lightning round, that shouldn't
take too long. Why does Waco matter?
It was some deaths, 20 years ago.
Why is it so important? Well, I mean first of all
because human life is precious and those cops had no right
whatsoever to kill those people, the way that they did, and the
Army, Delta Force helped them, do it and the fire on the last
day, but so you don't know the real meaning of it in terms of,
you know, why it should matter to America, for the long term
is, you know, ultimately that was a test to see what we would
put up with. That's how it played out.
Anyway, that wasn't the purpose of it.
I'm not saying that, but ultimately You know, the
American people supported the masker supported, the tank rate,
and we're told that these people were, you know, had committed
suicide, you know, really, if you look at what they did at
Waco. It was the exact carbon copy
that they used against Saddam Hussein 10 years later in 2003.
They said, look, this guy is crazy.
So we can't negotiate with him. There's no point in negotiating
with him because he's so so damn insane.
Secondly, he's got illegal weapons.
That the government says he's not allowed to have and he could
be plotting to use them against us.
And then also, he's really bad to his own people.
And so we're going to we have to liberate them and save them from
this guy knows the exact same thing that they did to the
Davidians that they ended up doing to the Iraqis.
That was it the and but turn it around the other way.
Like what do they do? They turn this group?
Of Texan American Christians from the heartland of Texas, the
sent from Central Texas, and they turned them into a foreign
enemy State. They turn David koresh into
Hitler and said that we have to stop him before he conquers all
of Europe before he marches on downtown Waco, and takes it over
whatever. It was that supposedly, he was
going to do, and they turned this group of anyone who's not a
liar. Who knows anything about it.
Well, Tell you they were decent people.
They were not criminals. That's if you watch the
documentary Waco, a new revelation where they interview,
Sheriff, Jack Harwell, he's just a word salt-of-the-earth.
People out there man. They were good.
People. They were not criminals.
They didn't have a drug lab. They did not abuse their
children, you know, they were a pretty kind of wacky break off
group of The Seventh-Day Adventists, but they're not, you
know, too much further on the And then a lot of protestant
groups in this country and that's not to say that David
koresh was a good person, but it is to say that he was not
Charles Manson. He was not bow and T or you
know, Jim Jones running this in saying cult for his own power.
That's just not true. And but it didn't matter.
The government was able to portray it that way.
The government was able to lie to the American people and make
the American people believe that koresh had somehow lure.
Lord these cops out to his house just to Ambush them and kill
them all, which how come only for died then seems like they'd
all been lying in a pile of blood in the front yard.
But anyway, in fact, none of that was true and and when they
had a chance for peace they started the war.
When David koresh said Okay. God told me to write my
interpretation of the Seven Seals and started writing.
They knew that the game was up. He was on his last seal.
He was writing the seventh seal and then he was going to come
out and so they launched the attack.
Then in order. Mostly, I think to make sure to
destroy the crime scene. The crime being the ATF raid in
the first place where the house itself was defense exhibit, a
full of incoming, bullet holes through the walls, through the
metal door, in the front, through the roof, where they've
been firing their M16s from National Guard.
Copter that Ann Richards, the Texas governor had given them to
use. In the name of the lie that
there was a drug lab there, a meth lab, which was never true
in the first place. And so, it just goes to show
that, yes, they can take a group of American citizens and turn
them into a foreign country and wage a war against them and
including finishing them off with the Delta Force.
Finishing them off by putting a bomb on the concrete room where
the women and children were hiding.
It was a pantry. It was a storm shelter.
They called it the bunker. And militarize.
It was women and children hiding under towels from the band
Poison gas CS gas, that's illegal for use under the Geneva
conventions that they used on these people.
Then they bomb that room and crushed and burned.
The ones that hadn't already suffocated from the poison gas.
He's an absolute catastrophe that absolute debacle and and
Massacre of these innocent people and they got away with it
scot-free called it a suicide, knock a building over with
tanks. It's until it catches on fire.
And then set off a bomb on top of the concrete room, where the
women and children are hiding and still call it a suicide and
they could get the American people to swallow it whole to
that to me as a kid, you know, I saw this play out in front of my
eyes and I never believed it was a suicide.
I always believed that the cops had murdered those people.
Why don't you show me the back of the house then?
Yeah, because that's where they're murdering the people.
And we know now from the forward-looking infrared footage
from FBI's own plane from the flare.
You can see the hostage rescue team and the Delta Force get out
of those Bradley Fighting vehicles and fire.
Their machine guns toward the building as it's burning down
and killing off. The people who are trying to
escape the fire in the back of the house, the American people,
they loved it and they thought it was great via USA.
Today opinion poll had 93 percent supported the raid, even
after the next day after you knew not, do you support rating
the place, but do you support the raid?
That just ended in catastrophe and the answer was yes, and and
I'll tell you why to it was because it was interrupting
daytime TV, right? This didn't all happen on one
day. It was a 51-day Siege from April
from February 28th through April the 19th.
So just think how long ago especially this year, think how
long ago February 28th was right.
We've had a very long March and April is here.
That's how long this. Branch Davidian show was
interrupting. The Price is Right.
And One Life to Live and the housewives of America wanted
them all killed. And I know that because I was 15
s groceries at the time at the local grocery store in northwest
Suburban, white, upper-middle-class, Austin,
Texas. And every single one of those
Housewives wanted to go in there and murder those people
themselves. Well, I say, they just go in
there and end it end it. Now.
He said he was Jesus. Nail into a tree, kill them all.
And I bet if you line them up, I bet you couldn't find one
housewife, in northwest Austin, who was supposed to go in there
and end it now, other than I, hope my mom.
I don't remember really discussing it with her at the
time, but I'm pretty sure she would have been good on it.
But the rest of them know, the rest of them wanted blood
because the Price Is. Right is more important.
Their daily soap operas are more important and how dare this
mullet-headed Trans, Am driving redneck.
Idiot in a rub their daily TV schedule and go in there and end
it means kill them. Not him.
Oh, he said he was Jesus. So kill every child.
All 17 of them kill every every man and woman who are the
helpless useless. Dupes of this charismatic cult
leader. Well, if he's a charismatic cult
leader, that makes them virtually innocent victims of
his, right? Kill them, too.
That was the consensus of the housewives of Austin, Texas.
These people are have no better, right to live in a recces.
And so they were killed. That's exactly it.
And even the original justification of what they were
going in for they could have I had David Thibodeau on my show
and he goes, well, they could have arrested koresh.
When the ATF informants were shooting with him.
The days before they initial raid on February 28th.
So, it looks like a definite set up much like Randy, Weaver the
FBI informant, sold him, the sawed-off.
Not done by a quarter of an entry, as a justification to
further invade. So well, yeah, that a total
setup founded on LOL equivalency on what happened with the Randy
Weaver thing was the ATF. It was ATF informant that set
him up on the, on the barrels because they were trying to,
then force him to become an informant and he refused.
So then they sent in the wrong court date.
That may have been an accident. I don't know if that's true or
not. But then when he didn't show up
for court, but they gave a warrant for failure to appear at
that point was Federal Marshals went to his property and what
happened was the son Sammy and the family friend, Kevin Smith
were walking with the dog and the dog caught the scent of the
marshals hiding and took off after them and they shot the dog
and then so at that point the son who was only 12 years old.
I think he's 14 me look like he was 12 or something when he son
of a bitch and Already shooting at them while they don't think
he even saw them. But then they started firing
back and he turned to run and they shot him in the back and
killed him and the family friend.
Kevin Smith. I'm almost certain that was his
name. It's been a long time but the
family friend was wounded and made it back into the house.
And at that point, the FBI came and laid Siege to the whole
place. And then next day or two days
later, the FBI sniper Lon horiuchi blue.
Randy Weaver's wife Vicky's head off as she was holding her
infant daughter in her arms at the time.
And and then The Siege lasts another few days and boag
writes, the special ops guy. She added an end and Weaver
eventually surrendered and was acquitted.
And the jury that acquitted him said that they wish that they
had the power to convict the ATF and the marshals and the FBI for
what they had done to him and his family and he ended up
winning millions of dollars in a civil suit against him.
And all of that. I thought Weaver's initial issue
with the ATF was he was selling guns without a license.
Is that not true? I'm not even sure if that's true
at all. I know that they tricked him
into selling a sawed-off shotgun.
That was 3/8 of an inch too short or whatever.
It was. It was my date and trapped him
with an informant because they were trying to force him to
become an informant because he had gone.
He had been seen at like a white supremacist rally and they
wanted him to inform on the other people who were there and
he refused and that was where all the Revenge came from there.
Anyway, the same thing here with the Davidians.
You're absolutely right that as the saying goes now, they could
have arrested David koresh any Time, he went jogging out on the
roads out there in the countryside, you know, on a
regular basis. He went to Walmart once a week,
whatever, they could have arrested him whenever they want.
And for people who don't know, the story.
I strongly urge you to watch Waco, The Rules of Engagement,
and Waco, a new revelation, and they show in there.
In the first episode. They show the gun dealer Henry,
McMahon was his name, and he was koresh's gun dealer and one day,
correct. Called him while the ATF was
there asking about him and McMahon says, oh, hey, I got
koresh on the phone right here. He wants to talk to you keresh
wanted to invite them out to come and look at all of his
weapons. And the ATF agent went.
And refuse to take the call because they wanted the rate.
It was called operation showtime.
And the undercover ATF informant.
There was a guy named Robert Rodriguez and he'd been out
there shooting with koresh over and over again.
And that day, he was there that morning and caress said, listen.
I know you're a cop and I know you're here, you know, for the
raid that's coming and everything, but let me tell you
about the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and he tries to save his
soul and convert him that morning.
And then, Sky was Rodriguez. I'm almost sure.
His name was Robert Rodriguez and he runs out.
He tries to warn he calls ATF and says they know we're coming.
The element of surprise is lost. Don't come.
And in fact, I think he even claimed that he was out in the
road, like waving them down trying to stop them on the road
on the way in and they just blew right past him and rated.
Anyway, knowing that the element of surprise have been completely
lost, koresh new, you know, saw right through.
Through the facade and knew this guy was a cop and try to stop
the raid. And then and the local news
crews were already there in the front yard, set up, ready for
the whole thing before the cops ever got there because they had
sent out press releases to all the news crews that we're going
to have a big thing and the whole deal, the reason they
called it operation Showtime was because remember this is just
the very beginning of the Bill Clinton years.
This is Bill Clinton's been in office a month in a week.
An ATF had been in a lot of trouble because they've been
selling n-word hunting licenses, you know, as a joke supposedly
and they had been sued by women and black employees of the ATF
for sexual harassment and racial harassment and discrimination.
And so then in comes Bill Clinton and Al Gore and one you
have the whole Bill and Hillary and Captain Planet and the UN
and Earth Day and all this kind of whole liberal PC culture that
came with them. And Had Al Gore who want it.
Who had his program of Reinventing government is what
they called it. And what that meant was, they
were going to do a bunch of consolidations.
And one of the proposals was twofold the ATF into the justice
department and put them under the FBI of the justice
department. Whereas, at this point, they
were part of the Treasury Department.
And so they wanted to resist that they're already little
brother to the FBI. Now they would be nothing
compared to the FBI if they were changed from treasury to doj.
AJ and so they launched operation Showtime as a public
relations stunt to prove to the Democrats that we might be a
bunch of mullet-headed rednecks, but we target mullet-headed
rednecks to and hear this, you know, Trans Am Drivin Kook.
Koresh. He's going down at our hands and
that's going to prove how useful we are to the Liberals.
And that was why they did it. That was the reason for the raid
was as a PR stunt after the disaster of Ruby Ridge.
And the sexual and racial harassment lawsuits to try to
save their bacon. And it worked.
Of course Congress, even with the total debacle Congress lined
up and gave him all the money that they wanted.
Yeah. That is what happens.
I mean, I think George Bush was at, like, a 90% approval rating
after the 9/11 attacks. It's like when government screws
up, then they have every incentive to do.
So. Yeah, because they're back to
your great quote from the book there of George Bush saying, And
I'm so proud that from the time of September 11 to the end of my
presidency. There were no more terrorist
attacks. Yeah, what about September 11th
itself? And this was, you know, what was
funny to the Republicans spent so much time saying that the
George Bush kept us, safe, George Bush, kept us safe that
and no one would ever contradict them about it.
That like, yeah. Well, I mean, except that one
big one, right? And so then, when Jeb started
running for president, I got stuck on the talking point.
But he couldn't think it throw in any realistic way.
So, he says, my brother kept us safe.
Remember the rubble. Remember the rubble of September
11th and he kept us safe after that.
Well, Donald Trump is not a CNN anchor.
So, Donald Trump calls Monaco's. Yeah, I do.
Remember the rubble. What do you mean?
Yeah, that attack happened on your brother's watch.
You want to brag about that. And Jeb was taken told by
surprise, because no one had ever made that point before,
where he could hear it. And he literally said, Remember
the rubble. As oh you're just supposed to
that was supposed to be the Bill Clinton years or something.
Not George, Bush's watch. Hey, he was only president for
eight months before that attack. I mean, have you ever had a job
or your boss expected you to start doing your job within the
first eight months since he started paying you?
Yeah. But anyway, the before we go.
Yeah, it's also the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.
So that would say just real fast about that.
Yeah, that Going to be most efficient.
Okay, so, we'll go ahead and ask it.
Okay, I was going to say, what is the most important aspects of
the Oklahoma City bombing that you would like people to know
about? Okay, and that is that, there's
a huge cover-up. McVeigh did it.
He was guilty as hell, but he had a lot of help, and he was
not a militia guy. He was a Nazi, a real one, and
all of his Nazi buddies. They were allowed to get away
with it. The cops, let them get away with
it. And the reason why is because
they were all under control. Cover informants and flip
State's Witnesses. And guys, at the FBI should have
had tabs on and should have prevented had all the prior
knowledge in the world, that they needed to prevent that
attack. And then they didn't date EF was
going to raid the Nazi compound before it happened.
The FBI prevented them from doing so said, we'll handle it
and then they didn't handle it. And so there was a massive
cover-up, but here's the good news.
A guy named Richard booth has collected thousands of documents
from the FBI, the ATF Have the Secret Service, the local cops
that trial transcripts, everything in the world and
should be by the time. This episode airs.
Every bit of that will be available for your audience at
libertarian. Institute.org /, OKC.
And we will have the world's greatest collection of documents
of the truth behind the Oklahoma City bombing that anybody's ever
seen. He's come from the Jesse trying
to do here. Earrings out in Utah and on and
on. And so, in fact, even talking
about when we're done with this, we should probably hand the
entire haul over to WikiLeaks to, because they do not just
things that are linked directly to them.
But they also store for example, they have a whole section of
Hillary Clinton's emails that were released by the state
department that were not late to them, but were released by the
state department, but they keep them in catalog, catalog them
all. Anyway, so when we're really
done with this, I'm going to talk.
Richard booth and see what he thinks about getting all these
mirrored on Wikileaks as well. But this is the mother lode and
this proves that it was McVeigh was in conspiracy with the Aryan
Republican Army, bank robbery ring, and that these were the
guys who did the attack and that You know, one of these
informants, Andre strassmeir seems like he was actually an
agent provocateur. He was not really a Nazi at all.
But was pretending to be a Nazi had infiltrated.
Their group had encouraged the attack and participated in it
and then was allowed to get away with others.
I don't know if they, I don't think any of the others are
necessarily provocateurs, but I think it's pretty clear that
strassmeir was fact. He admitted it to virtually
almost. Almost perfectly clearly
admitted it to Ambrose evans-pritchard of the Daily
Telegraph. That he wasn't just an
informant. He made the attack happen.
And you have women like Carol, how who was an informant at
Elohim City? Who was saying?
I heard them. Talk about the Murrah building
specifically so many times that there's no, this is a
coincidence. She went along with them when
they cased the building and then later she drove her ATF Handler,
Angela Finley. RAM on the exact route of them
casing, the different buildings in the city and said, this is
where we went and drove right by it and pointed at it and her
Handler Angela Finley, Graham admitted.
That that was true under oath in a deposition that she had been
she warned specifically that they were going to hit this
building. And so that was the key to it.
The ATF had an informant inside the FBI's terrorist ring and the
FBI shut down. The ATF investigation said we'll
take care of it and then they didn't take Of it and 168 people
were killed. Yeah was sort of like the
modern-day cointelpro where they were infiltrating groups in the
60s. They had patcon in the 90s
Patriot conspiracy where they were infiltrating militia groups
of the sort and you're going to have all of this.
Everything every document you could spend the rest of your
life. Reading the documents that we
have on the Oklahoma City bombing all at libertarian
institute.org. /, okay. See it's the mother lode.
Terrific, so I want to start the lightning round five quick
questions for you. Scott.
What is the most important thing you learned from?
Jacob hornberger? Oh, Oh, I know.
This is a good one. I interviewed him about it too.
He's got a five part series on operation.
Keelhaul. Well, Harry Truman took all of
the Russian Prisoners the Soviet prisoners who had been liberated
by the Americans and the Brits and WWII and he sent them all
back to Stalin to be executed. Millions of them, millions of
them operation. Keelhaul.
What's the most important thing you learned from Pat Buchanan.
You have a great interview with him on your radio show about
church. Hitler.
And the unnecessary War. Yeah.
Well, I've learned a lot of great stuff from pet.
I mean, he's really good on all kinds of things, we run and
regularly at anti-war.com, but I think he makes a solid case that
if the Brits had not given award guaranteed to the polls.
They would have been much more likely to just let the Germans
have Danzig back. And then there might not have
been a World War Two at all and that, you know, certainly
launching the air. Or that he launched and bringing
the French into it and everything like that.
Prevented Hitler from Waging War against the Soviet Union.
For two years where the the Nazis and the Soviets had
divided Poland after the war had started.
They were sure to end up in Conflict, Hitler and Stalin.
But Churchill insisted on turning Hitler West First
against all, the Western democracies and Conquer All of
Europe, first before he could get around to turning around and
attacking the Soviets. If that hadn't happened, the
Soviet. Probably would have been
destroyed by the Nazis. And then the Nazi regime would
have never outlived Hitler. Anyway, it would have been, you
know, probably as self-destructed in the process
of destroying the USSR, but certainly wouldn't would not
have outlived Hitler himself. And so as Churchill himself, put
it after the war, huh, I guess maybe we stuck the wrong Pig.
Maybe we shouldn't have done that and I guess maybe one
mistake there because then of course.
If the Soviets went on to support the rise of Mao Zedong
and China and the rest of world communism and the American
Empire and the Cold War against it and everything is history
from there. What is the most important thing
you learned from Murray rothbard?
I guess that there is a really smart libertarian Take On The
Conspiracy Theory history of the 20th century.
You know, I had read a lot of John Birch Society propaganda
and stuff. When I was a kid.
I was never right winger, but I liked all their conspiracy stuff
about the Morgans and the Rockefellers, and the Council on
Foreign Relations and kind of the secret government behind it.
All and in rothbard's Masterpiece Wall Street Banks
and American foreign policy. He tells the Fire conspiracy
theory history of the 20th century, only with none of the
BS, because he's rothbard. He's not of John Bircher.
And so he doesn't get all bogged down in Freemasons and skull and
bones and and distractions, but he just calls it.
The Rockefeller World Empire and explains all the corrupt
corporate interests behind, you know, the real one world
government, the US government. What is the most important thing
you learned from Ron Paul? Oh, man, there's a lot there, I
guess. You know, to start, he set a
great example of that. You don't have to be any kind of
liberal or hippie to be for that.
No, he in a sense is the most conservative member of Congress
in a way, is a Libertarian, but, you know, he really, he helped
solidify my libertarian beliefs that I already have from
studying the founding era, and from listening to He Brown and
others and then Ron Paul is just so dang good on everything.
That by the time I started paying attention to him in 1997.
He was just so good on a rack and terrorism and the.com bubble
and then the housing bubble after that and just he's so
right about everything. I guess mostly what he did.
Is he confirmed my beliefs to such a great degree and and
really showed, you know, the humanity of libertarianism.
A lot of people think of Libertarians is all bunch.
Of selfish Ian Rand Ian's and that kind of thing.
And Ron Paul really puts the lie to that.
He's such an intelligent and caring and compassionate person
who cares, you know, deeply about human Liberty.
For everybody not just for himself, but for assault, Scott,
finally, you dedicate Fool's errand to, in memory of William,
Norman Grigg. What is the most important thing
you learned from? William Norman Greg?
Well, I learned a ton of great stuff from William Norman, Greg.
He was editor of The New American.
Magazine in the 90s. He was the reason I read the
John birt stuff so much back then and and I think he really
quit being a new world order, Kook?
Right around the same time. As I did in the run-up to the
Iraq War to kind of dropped all that stuff and and got a clearer
picture of what's really going on in DC and and he's just such
a principle guy in such an eloquent speaker and writer and
everything. And, and And he really showed
how someone with that kind of conservative background, can
really put opposition to the local police state.
Not just the feds. Not just the ATF but local cops,
abusing people what the kind of writing and activism that you
tend to expect to come from the progressive left, the ACLU, the
Innocence Project, and people like that.
And and here's old. Will Grigg.
The former Bircher, you know, sticking up.
People on the receiving end of the worst of bad trials, and
police brutality and abuse, and that kind of thing and not so
much exactly what I learned from him.
But just how proud of him I am to see how many other people
learn from him about what's truly important in Liberty.
What's most to be protected by our movement and who needs
sticking up for by those of us who really get it.
And so, yeah. I miss him.
I gotta say it was just his three years in a couple of days
ago was the anniversary of his death, three years ago, the
greatest loss to our movement since rothbard, I'd probably and
I've really missed him a lot. He was just one of the very
greatest of us and and showed the kind of heroism that we
should all be aspiring to. Well.
Thank you for keeping the great Word Alive on the libertarian
Institute, as well as anti-war.com, Scott Horton.
So much for your time. Thank you.
Keith appreciated by.