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We spy on all of our own 
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look at who were funding right 

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problems are a result of 
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What's up, what's up, everybody?
Welcome back to a brand new 

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episode of part of the problem, 
I am very happy to welcome back 

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to the show. 
One of my favorite people out 

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there, one of the best guys, 
we've got he is Keith Knight, he

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is the host of the don't tread 
on anyone podcast and he just 

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released the voluntarist 
handbook, which is a phenomenal 

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book. 
I highly recommend everybody go 

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follow Keith Knight, watch his 
show, purchase the book. 

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What's up, brother? 
How are you? 

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Not much at all. 
But well, besides the fact I'm 

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still mourning today's loss with
reliable sources. 

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Other than that, I'm doing real.
Well, thank you for having me 

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on, you know, people say this 
like, yeah, people say this in 

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like a glib kind of 
tongue-in-cheek way, but it is a

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genuine loss for my podcast and 
I don't, I don't, I don't like 

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that people. 
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People are kind of like, oh, 
good riddens and all like that, 

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and I'm like, okay, I have to 
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I did before, whether I'd be 
like, what are we going to talk 

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about on the show today? 
Then someone would send me a 

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Brian stelter clip and you go. 
Well, that's 50 minutes right 

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there. 
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it's not that easy. 
I know people say there's a lot 

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of other people who are 
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It's not that easy to find that 
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condescending arrogance while 
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It's not that it's a perfect 
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a lifetime. 
So I really do I miss him 

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already. 
The term is smug. 

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No rent, I believe his smug, 
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just so as oh gosh, I can't 
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this is anti-democratic when 
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everything starts with a sigh, I
can't believe I have to continue

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to explain this. 
That is the sort of feeling but 

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it's guys like Brian stelter who
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I don't know anything. 
If everyone was a smart as Scott

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Horton and Hans Hapa. 
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anything, but then I say oh 
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Brian. 
So Shelter. 

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All right, I guess I can't start
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Well, I guess that's all right, 
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I mean, I feel like, even, even 
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you know, Scott Horton and Hans 
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Okay? 
Those are two really strong 

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examples, but even like, guys, 
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look at like, what the TV was in
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like, if it's a, you know, Gore 
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with, you know, even like 
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what I mean? 
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that and be like, well, that's 
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And these guys are really there.
Really kind of have their shit 

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together but today you're like, 
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smarter than all these people so
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I'll go do this, no problem. 
What a white pill that is. 

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I mean, it's not like we watch 
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powerful country in the 
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Do this guy's got to be really 
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Whoever the secretary is, so if 
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to have to get a ton of Minds 
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the arguments and have books. 
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You could do a live stream 
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preparation. 
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that is I think one of the 
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optimistic because it's that 
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in the minds of the people we're
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going to be hard to you know get
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wrong for 30 years and the last 
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been totally illegitimate. 
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However, just to make them so 
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like lean in to us, stop hating 
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privatization of everything. 
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So this was a major theme on 
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for years, when I first started 
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not sure that I can convince you
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you of anarcho-capitalism. 
Voluntary ISM, whatever you want

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to call it. 
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this show I can convince you You
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of shit. 
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you that the Democrats and the 
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press all suck, like that II 
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give me just like three 
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I'm sold on that. 
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start with that. 
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believe that. 
The, the guys, I read have all 

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of the answers, but I'm telling 
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This guy isn't full of shit. 
That this doesn't make 

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absolutely no sense. 
And I rode that for quite a 

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that, I don't know. 
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We at least can do that. 
It will, there's there's so much

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arrived there. 
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to me the other day. 
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And what do you want of those 
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I said, okay. 
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bombs, you familiar with 
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bombs, but using them and using 
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evil. 
Pedophiles are rapists or 

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anything. 
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there have been Wars and Latin 
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Did you know that there was like
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times and it was government's 
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I mean, I know it's terrifying 
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your bomb, that might explode in
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thing that you're kind of 
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Anarchist, but applies a 
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the people who you Pledge Your 
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anarchists who would be 
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it's like if your worst case 
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what states, do all the time 
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anyway. 
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So you just put out this book. 
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obviously was inspired by 
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anarchist handbook and you made 
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version of this which is 
specifically about Out more our 

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brand of anarchism which is kind
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assist libertarian version of 
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But within that Spectrum you 
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the right within that that area.
So what for what? 

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For people who don't know, what 
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What made you want to write the 
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The book is a collection of 48 
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three sections of different 
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On certain topics, that is my 
attempt to give anyone who's 

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generally interested in 
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The ultimate understanding of 
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So the main reason that I wrote 
it is so I could, you know, tell

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people. 
There are a thousand books. 

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I want you to read tons of 
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if I only had one book, what 
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And I would think, you know, 
hazlitt's book is good, but it 

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doesn't explicitly Advocate 
voluntourism Hans Hoppus good. 

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But there's some things about 
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So I said, you know what can I 
stop complaining and just be the

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change. 
I want to see in the world so I 

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wanted. 
So it was really malice as book 

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that motivated me to what to do 
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The reason I think it was 
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malice has excellent 
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concept of a society without a 
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It actually would not Be 
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doesn't respect people's right 
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the form of exchange. 
Usually, it applies to labor, 

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but this would be sort of 
anything that resulted in 

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inequality and a quote 
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So if you believe that Dave 
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right to make a voluntary 
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What I'm essentially doing is 
claiming to be a ruler over you 

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as Well as Brian. 
So if anarchism is a society 

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where there's no rulers now, 
that's very different from me 

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saying, Brian, don't take that 
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If I got a much better offer 
come work for me, you can do it 

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dude. 
You could probably beat me real 

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quick. 
Okay, I don't like this example 

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anymore. 
Yes, okay, so Dave's hauling for

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Louis J Gomez and I offer Dave a
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Now we're talking. 
There's all these things you can

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do. 
There's so many methods of 

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persuasion that you can. 
Was too well, get someone to 

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achieve your ends. 
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would do is not recognize the 
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exchange consider internships 
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the door and they get tons of 
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They see what it's like to deal 
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coworkers. 
That is so valuable. 

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And that is literally labor for 
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sometimes Euro dollars an hour 
but they have a right to do that

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anytime you're reading books or 
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something. 
You're not necessarily getting 

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paid something like colleges for
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So the Communists must really be
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universities except for the fact
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university. 
So they love they love them. 

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And they go, of course, want to 
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it's there to forgive, it's just
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The point is, is that I think 
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anarchism is anarcho-capitalism 
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engage in contracts. 
It Is that right? 

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We are as the Communists would 
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ruler. 
Not recognizing the legitimacy 

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of contracts between consenting 
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So this is the ultimate case for
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between consenting adults. 
Yeah, I think that's a great way

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to put it. 
I the book is beautiful. 

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There's just so many beautiful 
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It I felt like as I was reading 
through it, it was like bringing

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me back to my roots like a Of 
people who know this show for 

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the small amount of people who 
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Now, who actually listen to it. 
The whole way through we've 

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picked up some steam over the 
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used to live at this show really
started and it was so much about

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just pure libertarian 
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And I've as as the show is grown
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more into like current events 
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country or what's happening in 
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But The reason I started the 
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interested in all this stuff. 
So I was just so compelled by 

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how beautiful the philosophy of 
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just from your opening in the 
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that it's like, look there's 
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contradiction in the way 
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And when you say everybody else,
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the world and it's basically 
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As you mentioned, that look 
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could be monopolies or people 
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all of this stuff. 
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that what we mean by government 
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important services and that that
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contradiction and a couple 
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So beautiful to tear apart. 
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find their the like, logical 
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believing in something and 
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conclusion. 
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maybe was on a podcast. 
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was arguing about like, like, 
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do you mean? 
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against socialism, like, what 
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If we didn't have the fire 
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Are you telling me? 
me, you have to pay if someone 

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didn't pay then their house just
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fascinating to see all of these 
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of people and you're like, well,
okay, look, Let's just say you 

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believed in. 
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example. 
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everyone. 
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say, something like food. 
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someone putting out your house 
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there. 
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up but you need food like every 
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fire put out like very rarely, 
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well there's food stamps in. 
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food then we have this 
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you're kind of already reduced 
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fire department anymore. 
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stipend for someone who can 
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then but if you go like no one's
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you'd want everyone to pay for 
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course because we all just take 
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it all of the time but you could
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complete Monopoly on food and 
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You'd go. 
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for their own food. 
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areas where you'd see that like,
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actually make any sense what 
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if it did make sense, then why 
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department? 
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monopolies on all vital services
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vital, clothes are vital shoes 
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these things. 
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next argument of, like the well,
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safety, net of some sort. 
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it's pretty important to have 
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services that we don't have a 
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more the government's out of the
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everybody has ample access to 
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I don't know any and anywhere 
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So as far as well if something's
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refuse service, they have a lot 
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up after 376 cops sat on their 
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getting murdered. 
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has met Sergey lavrov. 
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of this year and from what I 
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a ceasefire. 
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service. 
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Attacked us. 
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Pearl Harbor and 911 because you
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Did government, like certainly 
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become a legitimate. 
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their end of the social 
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exchange, they keep us safe. 
So if they don't hold up their 

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end, they get more power. 
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well, we get put in a cage and 
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If we resist George, Bush's, 
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91% after he didn't keep 3000. 
American safe and the government

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had intentionally provoked, a 
response through a rocky 

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sanctions support for Israel, 
through things. 

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Like the Khan, a massacre having
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bomb, Iraq. 
A lot of civilians died in in 

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such a thing. 
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to say, well, what if Government
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what if an organization doesn't 
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state needs to step in the 
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So often is the Right, non 
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like well there's money and 
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But when the state comes in, 
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virtuous charitable giving. 
Imagine that instead of the fire

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department requiring payment and
in exchange they don't put out a

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fire. 
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IRS. 
If you don't pay the IRS for all

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the services that government 
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call you and say, hey Dave 
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didn't Say is it because you're 
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We're so sorry if we haven't 
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if you want to opt out and go 
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respect that. 
No they not only won't provide 

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the service, they won't provide 
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your house, put you in a cage 
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raised by total strangers in 
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chip in. 
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people not chipping in in the 
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cage and don't get the service, 
and in the private Case you 

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might not get the service but 
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extinguisher fire departments 
would work like AAA works today 

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where most people can join for 
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an you're in an emergency, 
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They'll send you a bill you can 
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Tom, was this book have a 
Catholic church built Western 

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Civilization Charities are very 
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people who believe in God, they 
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extension of themselves made in 
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There's tons of examples. 
You mentioned a number of things

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here as far as the beauty of 
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This is also something that I 
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I have a philosophy about human 
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They're rather selfish or rather
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still recognize that and say, 
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that it harmonizes, the 
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cooperating in such a way. 
So it's not that Steve Jobs 

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said, God, I really like Keith 
Knight and his family. 

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I'm the crate Max for them, 
right? 

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He did this in his own 
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this Mac because well, I really 
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Therefore I'm going to chip in 
and help him out. 

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It's he wants my money and I 
want his service. 

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So it when it comes to the 
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any amount for any reason. 
It'll probably go to the banda 

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right azov Battalion anyways. 
And if I don't ship in, no cage 

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me. 
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disutility of arranging a 
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Richmond makes the point that 
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It's one of the earlier chapters
and in this book that people are

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constantly cooperating. 
So this microphone was made by a

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different company than who made 
the USB insert that I'm using, 

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which is different from the Cox 
Communication that I'm using for

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internet access which is a 
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which is different than Zoom the
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However, all These people have 
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for very relatively cheap. 
So that's an example of how 

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people can cooperate and give 
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department and then finally, 
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things in society? 
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heavily subsidized, housing, 
Healthcare and college, 

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schooling, which I refuse to 
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The reason this is is because 
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he who pays the piper calls the 
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producers have to answer to 
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producers, they have to answer 
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You don't produce a good product
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Blockbuster Myspace A&P Grocers 
any of the companies that 

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Marxist don't believe exists 
that the capital is just rakes 

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in money. 
Without anything on the other 

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end, you constantly get this 
feedback mechanism of, hey, I 

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not only approve of your product
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I'm willing to bear the cost of 
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Money supply towards your 
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So the most subsidized things 
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producers focus on pleasing 
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pleasing producers were things 
like cars, printers, microphones

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computers routers, these of all 
drastically, decreasing costs 

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while increasing in quality. 
So if you care about the poor, 

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if you care about morality, the 
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Advocate is volunteers and 
because it's the ultimate check 

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and balance. 
Against the evil powers in the 

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world, voluntourism allows 
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actors. 
Whereas the state says, you have

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to find them no matter what. 
And maybe you can vote in for 6 

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or 10 years and you get a 1 and 
5 million vote. 

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And there's so many mules going 
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Maybe your votes votes, not even
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Makes that case. 
I don't know if it's true or 

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not. 
I'm not convey this maybe but 

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maybe it's not even counting. 
Well. 

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I sell to Tucker Tucker Carlson 
just had a piece the other 

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night. 
I don't know if So that was you 

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know it seems to say there was 
some real shady shit going on in

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the Georgia elections, okay, I 
certainly don't my default 

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position is that I don't trust 
anything. 

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The government says, I just 
haven't yet been convinced of 

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what the scale was in that 
particular event. 

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But okay, so there's a few 
things that you talked about 

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there that I think are right at 
the heart of what's so beautiful

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about this whole world view. 
And this correct worldview, that

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actually applies to real life 
and it's so number one. 

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Oftentimes, I think that At and 
this is partly because of like 

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The Chicago School and Milton 
Friedman nights and those types 

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were what they always focus on 
with free markets was the aspect

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of competition, which is, you 
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life, we compete and that that 
in many ways makes us stronger 

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and the fact that, you know, if 
there was no competition, that's

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not helpful. 
And when there is competition, 

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it makes you step your game up 
as anyone who's ever competed in

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anything. 
Knows, but the aspect that 

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you're talking about about 
cooperation is so much in my 

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opinion, so much more prevalent 
in Market activities. 

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Just no matter what you think 
of, you know, if you just think 

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about like going to the grocery 
store, what that actually 

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entails, you know, it's like 
like the amount of cooperation, 

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okay, just from the very 
beginning. 

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It's my wife being willing to go
for me, okay? 

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So she's already cooperating 
with me and agreeing to go do 

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all of our grocery shopping. 
She's getting in a car, that was

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built. 
It by not one person, but like 

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hundreds of different companies,
when you include all of the 

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different pieces that are 
involved and who serves as it 

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and all that, she's going to a 
store where there's some 

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landlord who rented out this 
store to A Whole Foods and 

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they're in agreement about that.
They have an agreement with a 

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butcher who has an agreement 
with a, you know, the like a 

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trucking company. 
That moves it to them there 

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everybody and we're all and then
she's agreeing to purchase 

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things that every specific 
price. 

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There's so much Like so many 
different things coming together

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that everyone peacefully, in, 
this harmonious fat like way is 

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agreeing on what they agreed to 
and what they don't agree to. 

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And then the other thing as you 
you touched on earlier, is that 

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what the market has that the 
government doesn't have is a 

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cleansing mechanism and that you
know it's not just that you 

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signal to Steve Jobs or cook or 
whoever you know, is that Apple 

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00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:16,600
now that you approve of them 
when you buy their computer? 

451
00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:20,400
But when companies go out of 
business or just have losses in 

452
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,600
general, they get the signal 
that people aren't happy with 

453
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,800
what you're doing. 
You're not adding value to their

454
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,000
life and they don't particularly
feel like peacefully cooperating

455
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,300
with you whereas as we could 
really see and you used to Great

456
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:36,000
examples in 911 and Pearl 
Harbor. 

457
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,100
But you know, of course, there 
is the example of just the 

458
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:41,600
response to covid, which I don't
know that just about anybody 

459
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,600
over the last, you know, two and
a half years. 

460
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,800
This government has turned 
upside down. 

461
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,100
Norm and done, you know, just 
completely devastated this 

462
00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:55,000
society and at this point you 
know the what is the result of 

463
00:24:55,008 --> 00:24:56,900
that? 
Well, the CDC just quietly goes.

464
00:24:56,900 --> 00:24:58,700
Yeah, we're going to agree with 
you guys. 

465
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,600
We're going to say, hey I guess 
we're not going to do all that 

466
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,000
stuff anymore. 
We're just going to do it your 

467
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,600
way and all of them still have 
their salaries and their 

468
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,500
pensions, and their everything, 
you know. 

469
00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:12,600
It's like so, Liz Cheney is a 
good example. 

470
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,800
The other day just got 
absolutely wrecked in her 

471
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,300
primary. 
And I've seen some of these 

472
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:21,900
people saying like, you know, 
well she took a courageous stand

473
00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:25,900
against Donald Trump and it's 
like, well, okay. 

474
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,200
I mean, yeah. 
I mean look, if she hadn't have 

475
00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:31,800
stood up against Donald Trump so
much, would she have had a 

476
00:25:31,808 --> 00:25:34,200
better chance of not losing her 
primary? 

477
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,600
I will concede, maybe that would
have helped. 

478
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,800
Courage, she has a net worth of 
like 40 million dollars. 

479
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:48,000
She could go be a CNN 
contributor work at a you know 

480
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,700
at a think tank funded by 
weapons companies. 

481
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:54,500
She can go be the it maybe 
she'll be on The View as the 

482
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:57,100
token conservative. 
Maybe she'll run for president 

483
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:59,900
and just raise tens of millions 
of dollars even though she won't

484
00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:03,300
get 1% of the vote. 
Like is that really courage? 

485
00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:07,300
Like if you, if you told me I 
could say something right now, 

486
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,000
that would guarantee See, I lose
my podcast audience, but I make 

487
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,600
a hundred million dollars over 
the next 10 years. 

488
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:18,200
And I've said it, would you go? 
Wow, Dave, that's courageous. 

489
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:20,500
You know what I mean? 
Like, no, that's not really 

490
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:21,000
that. 
Correct. 

491
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:25,400
So when you see these government
officials and government Elites,

492
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:29,200
they always fail upward. 
There is no punishment for 

493
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,000
failure and this is right at the
heart of the problem of 

494
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,600
everything that's going on in 
our society right now, is that 

495
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,500
no matter how wrong they get. 
It, there is no cleansing 

496
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,400
mechanism. 
Where is in the market. 

497
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,500
There are even rich people go 
broke, even huge companies, go 

498
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:49,500
broke. 
Kodak was like the business in 

499
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:51,800
film. 
They went broke, because they 

500
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,100
made this decision that they 
weren't going to switch over to 

501
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:57,800
digital and they were wrong and 
so they fucking begin. 

502
00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:00,900
They went from being V thing to 
being who cares. 

503
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:03,000
Oh, you're the biggest company 
in film? 

504
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,900
Okay, well no one uses film 
anymore. 

505
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:09,100
Everyone's digital now. 
So, who care and And that's the 

506
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:12,000
major problem here is that. 
There's no like cleansing 

507
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,000
mechanism that ever claim. 
No matter how bad the fuck up is

508
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:18,800
you continue to be rewarded? 
Yeah. 

509
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,300
Freedom of disassociation is the
ultimate check and balance. 

510
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:26,500
So yeah, if you care about 
checking checks and balances, 

511
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:30,800
it's good to maybe have, you 
know, a senate house a 

512
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,500
presidency, a supreme court but 
it's more important that were 

513
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:37,700
able to say screw you to those 
organizations. 

514
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:41,000
If If they don't do a bad job or
if they do a good job, we need 

515
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,400
to be able to associate with 
them and contract with them. 

516
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:48,000
So yes that that's vitally 
important as far as Liz Cheney 

517
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,100
goes mean, how is it called 
courage, when you take the 

518
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:56,900
position of every Professor 
everyone in the media everyone 

519
00:27:56,900 --> 00:28:02,600
in Hollywood, the vast majority 
of Democrats who control the 

520
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,900
cathedral's narrative, tons of 
podcasters, blue, check Twitter,

521
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:10,300
Facebook. 
When Zuckerberg comes out and 

522
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:13,300
only says election 
misinformation applies to 

523
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:14,500
Russian. 
Disinformation. 

524
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:20,200
Not Hillary Clinton said 17, 
intelligence agencies confirmed,

525
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,700
Russia interfered in the 2016 
election. 

526
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:29,000
That was redacted on June 29th 
of 2017 by the New York Times so

527
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,900
did Facebook come out and 
apologize. 

528
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:33,100
No. 
Joe, Biden on the presidential 

529
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:38,000
debate stage said that 50 Intel 
officials not just one. 

530
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,700
To 350 until officials 
confirmed. 

531
00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:45,000
This laptop of my son is a 
Russian plant. 

532
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,200
So no problem. 
I mean, you just provoking a war

533
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,900
with a nuclear power, you know, 
it's not like an anarchist built

534
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:54,900
the bomb or anything. 
All of these things are much 

535
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,700
more Miss informative than 
anything that could occur 

536
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,400
otherwise. 
So yeah, the the need to 

537
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,500
disassociate with Bad actors. 
So vitally important yet. 

538
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:08,000
It's the one thing that the 
state doesn't allow us to do 

539
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,800
Because it necessarily relies on
forced Association. 

540
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,400
Yeah. 
Well, 100%. 

541
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,200
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All right let's get back into 
the show. 

573
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:04,500
Well let's let's take on some if
we can here because obviously 

574
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:07,400
the book lays out from many 
different angles by many 

575
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,500
different. 
Thinkers like arguments and 

576
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:16,900
reasoning for arriving at this 
conclusion that we that that we 

577
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:20,400
ought to live in a voluntary a 
society or as close to it as we 

578
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,200
can possibly get. 
So let's try to take on some of 

579
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,800
the criticisms of voluntarism as
best we can. 

580
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,500
Let's try our best to steal, man
them and and then respond to 

581
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:35,500
him. 
So, the first one that I thought

582
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:38,200
of was the one that you 
mentioned at the top Which is 

583
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,300
good is a good one to start 
with, because you kind of talked

584
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:43,700
about this is what inspired you 
to write the book after Michael?

585
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:46,000
Malice is book where you're 
like, well, look, there are 

586
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:52,000
these anarchists left-wing 
Anarchist some identify as a 

587
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,800
narco communist and of course, 
syndicalists different forms of 

588
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,000
left-wing. 
Anarchists. 

589
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,300
Who argue that me. 
And you are not really 

590
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:07,300
anarchists, and if I could make 
their argument as strong as I 

591
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,900
can for them, Um, I will attempt
to and there is there is a 

592
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:14,800
little colonel, maybe of Truth 
in how the what where these 

593
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,000
words originated from, right? 
So Anarchy means without rulers 

594
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:28,300
and hierarchy is also in the 
form, our key with rulers at the

595
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:31,400
top, right? 
So a where there are, there is 

596
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,200
an order of rulers. 
So they'll say, look, if you're 

597
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:41,000
not against hierarchy, Then 
you're really not against rulers

598
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:45,400
and therefore you people who 
believe that someone could be 

599
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,900
the business owner and someone 
could be the business worker and

600
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,100
someone could be, you're really 
not an anarchist even though 

601
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:56,300
you're against the state, you 
know, in some sense you're not 

602
00:32:56,300 --> 00:33:00,300
really an anarchist because you 
don't believe in ultimately kind

603
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:05,700
of like achieving these 
egalitarians ends, so I don't 

604
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:07,000
know. 
Is there a better way to steal, 

605
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,500
man? 
The Or what would you say? 

606
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:12,200
They'll say, you're not really 
if you believe in the landlord 

607
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,100
and tenant, then that's, that's 
still some, you know, you're not

608
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,400
truly an anarchist or if you 
believe in employer and 

609
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,500
employee, this person still has 
this ability to say, will you do

610
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:26,400
this or you lose your job and if
you lose your job you're going 

611
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,000
to be destitute and blah, blah, 
blah eyes. 

612
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,800
There is there. 
But first off, is there a better

613
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,100
way to steal man, that argument 
or and if not, what would your 

614
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:38,700
response to it Bay? 
Hey, that's Pretty good way to 

615
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:44,700
steal, man, cuz we've heard it 
so often, maybe I would say, the

616
00:33:44,700 --> 00:33:48,100
anarcho-capitalist does not 
allow the individual to reach 

617
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:52,200
their full creative potential 
because a number of 

618
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,200
institutional barriers that 
exist as a result of previous 

619
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,700
aggression, currently exist in 
society today, there for things 

620
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:03,300
like employers, which exists 
because of a power. 

621
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:06,700
Differential do not allow 
individuals to live life 

622
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:09,900
unrolled there. 
R4 anarcho-capitalists are not 

623
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:15,699
in Turkish, that's all bullshit.
So, on page, 3, I have a list of

624
00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:19,900
terms, just because a wise man 
once told me that so many 

625
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:23,900
disagreements, come down, come 
down to different definitions of

626
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:26,000
the same term. 
So, if you think capitalism is 

627
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,199
just people being greedy for 
money, I would be totally 

628
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,800
against capitalism. 
But how on Earth is it greedy to

629
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,300
want money voluntarily? 
But the Socialist who wants to 

630
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:38,199
take money by force and 
threatening to kg That's not 

631
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,100
great at all. 
That's just caring about people.

632
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,500
So when I Define anarchy on page
3 in the terms section, I say, 

633
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:51,000
from the Greek prefix an meaning
without, or any absence of, and 

634
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,800
the Greek noun, archon Master 
ruler. 

635
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:56,400
Anarchy does not mean without 
rules, it literally means 

636
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,100
without rulers without Masters. 
So the difference between 

637
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:04,100
someone heavily influencing you 
and someone being a ruler is 

638
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:07,100
simply your consent. 
This differentiates trade from 

639
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:11,400
theft. 
Slavery from work and kidnapping

640
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,200
from hanging out with someone at
their house for an extended 

641
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,600
period of time. 
So if a man works and the woman 

642
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,400
stays at home, she would be 
exploiting his labor because 

643
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,600
she's not working. 
She's just taking a portion of 

644
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,100
his income and spending it. 
And obviously College, like I 

645
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:32,300
mentioned, previously, any time 
someone gives charity. 

646
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:34,700
Well, that person didn't work 
and they're not obeying the 

647
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:37,500
labor theory of value. 
So, charity has to be outlawed 

648
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:42,000
Obviously, Social Security needs
to be abolished and any sort of 

649
00:35:42,008 --> 00:35:46,000
voluntary retirement program? 
Well, that needs to go but as 

650
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,800
far as are we not really an 
artist, I think I have addressed

651
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,100
that as much as I can, in my 
opening statement, simply We 

652
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,400
Believe individuals have the 
right to contract. 

653
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,400
The inner go, communist is not. 
So even though they were first 

654
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,000
absolutely historically 
accurate, they were first, 

655
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:09,600
imagine if the earliest math, 
Petitions believed three plus 

656
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,600
three equals 55. 
They would have been first but 

657
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,600
they would not have been 
mathematically correct. 

658
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,600
Yes. 
The early. 

659
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,200
Scientists did believe that you 
didn't have the right to make 

660
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,900
voluntary exchanges. 
Look the bottom line is you 

661
00:36:22,908 --> 00:36:25,800
don't know what's best for 7 
billion strangers. 

662
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,900
I mean, look at all of the 
inequality that exists, I don't 

663
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:33,700
know everywhere in the NBA, I'm 
not nearly as good as the NBA as

664
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:36,500
anyone in the NBA. 
And not only that with in the 

665
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:42,700
NBA less than 1% of NBA players.
Sell 99% of the jerseys. 

666
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:46,000
It's like five or six, guys, 
sell 99%. 

667
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,200
That's inequality. 
This is referred to as the iron 

668
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,800
law of oligarchy. 
The original example that's 

669
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,400
given by James Burnham in the 
Machiavelli ends is all right. 

670
00:36:56,500 --> 00:37:00,300
So you're sick of the Bourgeois.
See these owners, horrible 

671
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:02,300
people. 
So you are going to start a 

672
00:37:02,308 --> 00:37:06,900
union where you allow the 
proletariat to rise up and begin

673
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:09,700
equal. 
Force against this Boo swasey. 

674
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:11,500
Nothing anti libertarian about 
that. 

675
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:14,000
You can certainly do that. 
You have the right to strike. 

676
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,200
The alternative is forced labor,
which is slavery, which violates

677
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,900
the non-aggression principle. 
So, people in a union will 

678
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:25,500
voluntarily, come together. 
However, right, not everyone's 

679
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:28,100
going to come to the union 
meeting, not everyone's going to

680
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:31,000
talk at the union meeting. 
Not everyone is going to be as 

681
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,400
persuasive as other people at 
the union meeting. 

682
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:36,600
So, you end up with Jimmy Hoffa 
and his five friends controlling

683
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000
the union. 
This is The iron law of 

684
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,300
oligarchy. 
So the most democratic people on

685
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:44,600
the planet, Bernie Sanders and 
AOC, they have more 

686
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,700
institutional power than 99.9 
percent of their supporters ever

687
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,700
will. 
Because any time, it becomes 

688
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:51,600
organized. 
Yes. 

689
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,500
Anytime people organized there's
going to be some people who are 

690
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:56,900
better than others and it just 
makes economic sense for you to 

691
00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:59,000
delegate. 
The cost of spreading the 

692
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,600
message to that person, iron law
of oligarchy, refutes, 

693
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,700
anarcho-communism of both moral 
and practical grounds. 

694
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:09,400
I think it was a Thomas sir. 
Soul who said something along 

695
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,700
the lines of even if we had 
absolute perfect equality 

696
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:17,600
tomorrow, we wouldn't have it 
the day after tomorrow, you 

697
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,000
know. 
Like it's like even if You Were 

698
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,900
Somehow able to get this you 
know, I will say that I think 

699
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,500
here's where there is and I know
this is semantics or linguistic 

700
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,200
you know accuracy, but I think 
I'll concede this. 

701
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,400
I think that when we use the 
term Anarchy, we are using it. 

702
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,600
In the literal sense. 
The way you were that that know,

703
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,000
Rulers or without rulers. 
But the term hierarchy also has 

704
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,800
that same root word, you know, 
rulers in it. 

705
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,100
And that's not actually how 
everyone who uses the word means

706
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:50,200
it. 
So when people talk about 

707
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,500
hierarchy, it's actually there 
should be some other word that 

708
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:56,300
disk. 
So in other words, if there's a 

709
00:38:56,300 --> 00:39:00,600
hierarchy where LeBron James is,
you know, way higher than some 

710
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,900
benchwarmer, he's not the ruler 
of that benchwarmer. 

711
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:06,600
I mean the bench warmer could 
leave anytime he wants to. 

712
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,500
It's not like he doesn't Not 
like by our definition. 

713
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:11,900
We wouldn't actually consider 
them a ruler or not. 

714
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:15,200
A ruler. 
Hierarchy is just that there are

715
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,200
obviously always going to be 
differences between people and 

716
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,500
some people will achieve 
different levels of success and 

717
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,500
the thing that a lot of these 
leftist types who claim, well, 

718
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:30,800
you're not the real Anarchist. 
They'll make these, you know 

719
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,400
they'll make arguments like some
of them. 

720
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,900
I think they're their rebuttal 
to your point would be well no 

721
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:40,500
no we have no Problem with, you 
know, people making voluntary 

722
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:46,000
transactions to a certain point,
you know like in the same way 

723
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,000
they'll go, what we have no 
problem with personal property 

724
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:54,000
but we have a problem with 
private property and they'll 

725
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,800
kind of say, well you could have
a house to live in your house, 

726
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:04,300
but you can't have five houses 
and rent out for of the houses. 

727
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:09,900
But this of course becomes a 
They get themselves into a very 

728
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,800
big predicament here where you 
go. 

729
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,000
Okay. 
So you're so obsessed on this 

730
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:19,300
hierarchy. 
Part that you're forgoing? 

731
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:23,100
The Anarchy part. 
So, okay, you, what does that 

732
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:24,100
mean? 
I mean, look, I could have a 

733
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:28,000
garden in the back of my yard. 
How much food can I grow enough 

734
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,900
for my family? 
How about enough, for my family 

735
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:32,600
and a little bit to put away for
the winter? 

736
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:35,500
Is that too much? 
How about enough to put away for

737
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:37,900
the year? 
How about enough to put away for

738
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:41,000
five years? 
I mean, when is your point of 

739
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,100
when I have too much that I 
don't need that. 

740
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:49,500
By the way, what is need mean? 
I mean need, which is a word, 

741
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:52,300
the commies like to use a lot 
right to each, according to 

742
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:55,600
their need. 
So what do we need? 

743
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,200
I mean, all of us have way more 
than we need, at least in the 

744
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,500
year 2022. 
If you're not in a third world 

745
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:06,600
country, you have way more than 
you need. 

746
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,600
So what do you need at? 
What point does it change? 

747
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,600
This is a completely arbitrary 
line and then the more important

748
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:18,100
question is who stops me, who 
gets to stop me when I've grown 

749
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:19,500
see. 
This is where they there's this 

750
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:23,100
big contradiction on the left 
with egalitarians ISM as you go.

751
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,000
Well everyone has to be equal, 
you know, or as equal as 

752
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,900
possible. 
And so then if I have, you know,

753
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,400
if I'm growing way more food, 
you know, maybe I'm growing 

754
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,400
enough food to feed an entire 
town. 

755
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,200
I don't need all that food but I
was growing it in my yard, I'm 

756
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,800
going all this food, I don't 
need that. 

757
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:43,500
Well, who stops me? 
Who comes and takes it from me. 

758
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:49,000
Well, by definition, that person
who uses Force to take it from a

759
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,000
make is my ruler and also by 
definition. 

760
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:58,000
There's a hierarchy here where 
that guy has the decision-making

761
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,400
ability over me. 
So actually I would argue that 

762
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,600
the only true anarchists even 
though I'll concede the term 

763
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,800
highwomen Hierarchy is a little 
bit misused in terms of the the 

764
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,000
literal definition using the 
word ruler. 

765
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:15,000
If you're going to use that term
ruler with Anarchy, the only way

766
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,700
you can be an anarchist is to be
a voluntary, assist capitalist, 

767
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:21,200
laissez-faire complete 
laissez-faire capitalist. 

768
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:26,200
But that if you if you don't 
support private property then 

769
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:31,200
not only are you not an 
anarchist but you also have to 

770
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,000
believe in hierarchy and you 
can't believe in a galat 

771
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,500
arianism because Body would have
to be in a higher position than 

772
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:40,700
me in order to make that 
determination. 

773
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,900
And this idea that just well, 
the people make that 

774
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:45,100
determination is complete fuckin
bullshit. 

775
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:48,600
There's no, the people there are
just individuals and then who's 

776
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,200
gonna fucking enact that on me? 
And again, even if it is the 

777
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,400
people, if it's all of the 
people versus me, well, that's 

778
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,300
not very egalitarian. 
And this is it, it's it's a 

779
00:42:58,308 --> 00:43:00,800
whole group of people with more 
power enforcing their women on 

780
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,600
me. 
So the question is, what rights 

781
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,600
do you have? 
And do you have the right to 

782
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,900
delegate those rights? 
So if my grandma has the right 

783
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:12,800
to defend herself, she's in our 
80s it's going to be a little 

784
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,700
difficult yeah. 
So what she's going to want to 

785
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:20,100
do is delegate that and she's 
kind of exhausted from you know,

786
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,300
doing anything so she's not 
going to want to grow her own 

787
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:24,300
food so she's going to delegate 
that. 

788
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,300
My grandma is not the only 
person out of the 7 billion 

789
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:29,700
people on the planet to want to 
delegate these things. 

790
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:33,400
So what you end up having is 
people in Aged in a division of 

791
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,000
labor and therefore some people 
specialize have more private 

792
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,300
property in certain areas and 
those areas become more 

793
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:43,600
productive as a causal results 
of being private. 

794
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:47,100
So, it's not that. 
Well, now, I'm being restricted 

795
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:49,900
and I can't go on that property 
because it's now private. 

796
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,200
You have more options than you, 
otherwise would as a, cause 

797
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,700
result of private property. 
So when I went to Florida 

798
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:02,700
recently for the yell 2022, 
Revolution, Is there was private

799
00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:04,800
property. 
I didn't have to say, God, I 

800
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,500
wonder if there's food there. 
Do I have to bring my own food? 

801
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:10,200
I just knew all these things. 
That would be privately 

802
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:13,500
available, to me would exist 
because there's a profit 

803
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:17,700
incentive because the resort was
privatized. 

804
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:20,900
You would think that no one 
would be having any exchanges 

805
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,800
with anyone because everyone has
their own private property, and 

806
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,900
no one's everyone's restricting 
access. 

807
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,000
So, everything's in shortage 
mode. 

808
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,800
No. 
Because there's private 

809
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,900
property. 
There's much more of an And 

810
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,500
instead than their otherwise 
would be. 

811
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:36,900
So that's the utilitarian case 
and then on the moral case look 

812
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,200
the guy giving me a place to 
live my renter landlord. 

813
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:45,600
He gives me a house, all you 
left us give me is antifa 

814
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,300
burning down houses. 
So if you care about the polar 

815
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:52,200
make sure that there's a class 
which only benefits if they 

816
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,900
provide a good or service to 
those who choose to contract 

817
00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:00,500
with them. 
I mean, all of the books that I 

818
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:05,600
bought I've spent tons of Labor,
reading them and the author has 

819
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,500
reaped the benefits from my 
labor when I purchase them. 

820
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:14,000
So what that's a voluntary 
exchange I chose to make any 

821
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,500
time you allocate your scarce 
time on this planet towards 

822
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:21,600
something or other that can be a
sense of exploitation you. 

823
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,200
And I working to explain this to
the dumbest people on the 

824
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,600
planet. 
Is it means you and I have to 

825
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,200
send them an invoice or we need 
to put them in jail for 

826
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,200
exploiting our Surplus, labor 
Under no justification. 

827
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:36,100
Could you both support know 
people rolling anyone else? 

828
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,800
And having the right to 
forcibly, stop people. 

829
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,100
From engaging in, voluntary 
transactions. 

830
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,200
You don't know what's best for 7
billion strangers. 

831
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,300
Allow them to do whatever they 
want, voluntarily. 

832
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,500
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852
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,500
So have you heard this argument?
Which I got to say, I'm going to

853
00:47:08,508 --> 00:47:10,200
have a lot of trouble Steel, 
Man. 

854
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,000
And but I've heard this argument
made by people who call 

855
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,700
themselves Libertarians 
socialists. 

856
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:22,800
And they basically say that with
out, like, they'll argue that 

857
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,400
rent is theft, and they'll argue
that without a government. 

858
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:37,700
Landlords would not be able to 
defend their property. 

859
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:42,300
So the argument is basically 
that the government through its 

860
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:47,400
police force. 
They suck, which I am the face 

861
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,700
that I guess there's some 
plausible argument, right? 

862
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:54,400
That police protect private 
property. 

863
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,700
Now, this is, you know, let's 
say before San Francisco and At 

864
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:02,400
Los Angeles and the Riots of 
2020. 

865
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,000
May, you know, there was some 
off time where government police

866
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,600
used to protect private property
and so, okay, they're their 

867
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,800
private property. 
Defense is subsidized by the 

868
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,900
government and so, therefore, if
they didn't have that, you know,

869
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,300
they're they're relying on the 
government to intervene to 

870
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:25,800
defend their private property 
or, you know, these are similar 

871
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,700
arguments, that will be that 
like private property is They 

872
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:35,700
kind of like an act of violence 
because they, you know, you are 

873
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,400
arguing to defend it with Force.
I've seen these arguments made 

874
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,200
on baffled by how stupid they 
are. 

875
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,200
Like number the thing that just 
jumps right out to me is just 

876
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,000
that like if you think of the 
average landlord who has like 

877
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:53,400
five or six properties my guess 
is he's making I mean at least 

878
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,100
like that's a very least low six
figures a year. 

879
00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:01,700
He's probably paying 50% of this
money in taxes. 

880
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:04,400
If you did not have to pay fifty
percent of his money in taxes. 

881
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:09,400
I think he could probably afford
to hire some private security 

882
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:16,900
and the idea of like proper 
private property being violence 

883
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:19,100
or something like that. 
A threat of violence. 

884
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,000
Well, if you, if you believe 
that, it seems to me that you'd 

885
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,200
have to say, like, look like a 
woman saying, I don't want to be

886
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,000
raped. 
Is a threat of violence or that.

887
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,200
It's like you. 
Hit me like this, you're the 

888
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,300
aggressor or for, not wanting to
be raped. 

889
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:35,900
I mean, that this that I really 
don't even know how to steal, 

890
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:38,800
man, this argument, but it is an
argument that is out there. 

891
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,300
I don't know, you got it, 
anything you'd like to say about

892
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:45,600
that. 
So, without the existence of a 

893
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,700
state to protect private 
property, the protection of 

894
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:50,800
private property would not 
exist. 

895
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,800
Therefore, anarcho-communism is 
inevitable in the absence of a 

896
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,000
state. 
That's probably the closest I 

897
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,200
can get the assumption is that, 
which is not, Sized in a state 

898
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:05,000
of society would not exist in a 
voluntary society which the 

899
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,800
subsidy makes something much 
more expensive than it, 

900
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,700
otherwise would be because the 
producer does not have an 

901
00:50:11,700 --> 00:50:12,900
incentive to meet consumer 
demand. 

902
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:15,300
They get all their money from 
politicians. 

903
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:20,800
So I mean can we agree with this
libertarian socialist that the 

904
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:26,700
military is pretty expensive for
the service of creating enemies 

905
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:31,000
that then want to kill us and 
Further military expenditures 

906
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,000
that seems like a pretty high 
cost. 

907
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,600
So the idea that, well, your 
private property won't be 

908
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,800
protected, unless 40% is stolen 
with the threat of violence. 

909
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:46,300
Every year is literally like 
saying bad husbands would exist 

910
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:47,500
without o.j. 
Simpson. 

911
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:51,000
They're taking the worst example
and saying, without this worst 

912
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,200
example, this thing could not 
come to fruition. 

913
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:58,800
The answer is people would 
either have guns to defend 

914
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,600
themselves. 
They Would have knives to defend

915
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,000
themselves, they would have 
alarm systems, they would have, 

916
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:06,100
voluntarily funded security 
organizations. 

917
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,500
So, the idea that a business 
couldn't contract with someone 

918
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:13,900
at a small cost and say, hey, if
my business or my private 

919
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:19,100
property gets raided, you guys 
have to pay me an insurance fee 

920
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:21,800
in exchange. 
So, now you have an incentive to

921
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,800
protect my private property. 
The assumption that it wouldn't 

922
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,400
exist in the absence of a 
coercively funded. 

923
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,300
Napoli is just someone who does 
not, who was not really taking 

924
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:36,600
business. 
Seriously, it's like something. 

925
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,900
Well, if businesses are private,
they'll never exist because 

926
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:42,600
they'll have to pay employees 
and then the employees will take

927
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,700
up all the money, know what 
they'll do is find an 

928
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:49,400
equilibrium so they won't pay a 
thousand dollars an hour. 

929
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:54,300
They also can't pay $0 an hour, 
which is why not 100 percent of 

930
00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:57,400
workers earn minimum wage 
because of competition and 

931
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,200
capital investment in 
productivity. 

932
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,300
So they would allocate a certain
percentage. 

933
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:04,700
That's now not being taken by 
force. 

934
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:09,100
Every year, they would allocate 
that to a private Protection 

935
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:12,500
Agency who would have more of an
incentive to protect their 

936
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:14,600
private property than anyone 
else. 

937
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:17,600
Now, as far as well, then these 
organizations would just go to 

938
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,800
war, okay? 
As I mentioned before, 

939
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:23,800
governments have gone to war. 
Maybe once or twice throughout 

940
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,100
history, I'm not sure. 
I'd have to double-check. 

941
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:32,400
So the existence of battle does 
not Go away because a monopoly 

942
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,100
on violence exists. 
It not only exists, it makes it 

943
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:38,400
more likely. 
The reason is because war is 

944
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,700
extraordinarily expensive. 
This is a theory generally 

945
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:43,700
called the state is the health 
of War. 

946
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:45,800
So we know war is the health of 
the state. 

947
00:52:45,900 --> 00:52:49,000
Meaning governments can get away
with things in Wartime in an 

948
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,000
emergency that they otherwise 
wouldn't be able to get public 

949
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,300
approval on in the absence of 
this terrible evil external 

950
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:58,000
threat. 
But the state is the health of 

951
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,300
War because it It often has the 
ability zelinsky's doing this to

952
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:05,000
conscript people and fight 
against their will, so they 

953
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,400
don't even need to convince 
people to join their military. 

954
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,600
They also coercively fund the 
operation. 

955
00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:13,700
So if people say you know what, 
I think it's better. 

956
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:16,700
If Donna, stand luhansk, were 
independent, republics 

957
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,800
considering they voted for that 
in 2015, at the tune of like 

958
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,600
90%. 
Same with Crimea previously. 

959
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:26,300
So you know, I don't like Putin.
I don't like poroshenko. 

960
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:29,900
I think was the president at the
time but you know, The people 

961
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:32,400
voted. 
Then that's that, that could be 

962
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,400
Russian territory, Ukrainian 
government, doesn't allow that. 

963
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,600
They coercively fund the 
operation and now can murder 

964
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,100
civilians for seven years. 
And then the, and then zielinski

965
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:46,100
can play the victim afterwards. 
So, the very fact that the 

966
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:49,600
government gets to externalize, 
the cost of War makes War much 

967
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,700
more likely to happen than it. 
Otherwise would some people hear

968
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:56,100
that and hear me saying that war
only exists because of 

969
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,200
governments. 
Now, what I'm saying it's more 

970
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,600
likely to exist because 
Government doesn't have to bear 

971
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,900
the cost of recruiting people, 
often and doesn't have to 

972
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:06,700
actually pay the price. 
They could tax it or they could 

973
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:10,600
just print the money and third. 
They don't actually have a 

974
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,400
criminal justice system which 
recognizes violence as 

975
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,400
illegitimate when they do it. 
The collateral murder video 

976
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,100
comes out and the guy who leaks 
it and the guy who shared it, 

977
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:22,900
Julian Assange and Chelsea 
Manning, they're the ones who go

978
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:26,300
to jail. 
I mean, certainly so having a 

979
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:30,600
legal double standard coercing 
people to Join the operation in 

980
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,500
form of conscription and, you 
know, now privileged remember 

981
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:37,900
that's a totally real thing and 
then taxing and printing 

982
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:41,400
everything else. 
So in every case, the Socialist 

983
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,100
has no justification private 
property is Justified, because 

984
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:47,900
it relies on people engaging in 
voluntary, contracts on a 

985
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:50,400
utilitarian basis that makes 
things more abundant than they 

986
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,700
otherwise would be. 
And States, collectivist 

987
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:56,400
organizations are more likely to
go to war than once based on 

988
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,700
voluntary cooperation. 
Yeah. 

989
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:00,700
Okay. 
I think that's to me, that's a 

990
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:04,000
pretty devastating case. 
All right, let's move to the 

991
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,600
more. 
Those that was kind of the 

992
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,200
left-wing criticisms. 
Let's move over to more the 

993
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,300
right. 
Let's start. 

994
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:13,900
Let's start Boomer Khan and then
go to more interesting 

995
00:55:13,900 --> 00:55:20,500
thoughtful, right-wing people. 
So the Boomer con criticism of 

996
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:24,400
Libertarians might be something 
like, all right. 

997
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,100
Well, you want a completely 
Anarchist Society? 

998
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:32,300
Well, look at Chad. 
You know, that's that's what you

999
00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:34,600
get. 
When you have Anarchy, you're 

1000
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,000
going to have, you know, that 
just this kind of like 

1001
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,800
lawlessness and craziness and 
violence. 

1002
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,600
If we didn't have the police 
force and the military, someone 

1003
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,400
could you know there'd be high 
crime in these neighborhoods. 

1004
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,600
Putting people away in jail. 
You know is what actually brings

1005
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,600
down the crime rate. 
We see you know as we're letting

1006
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,200
people out of jail, crime rates 
are going up. 

1007
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,100
As we're Prosecuting drug crimes
less crime rates are going up 

1008
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,400
without the military. 
I don't know. 

1009
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,900
It all be speaking German or 
some dumb shit? 

1010
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:10,300
I don't know. 
I'm trying my best to steal, 

1011
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:12,200
man, these arguments. 
Any of that? 

1012
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,900
What it? 
What would you respond Germans? 

1013
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,000
A fine language. 
I wouldn't mind speaking. 

1014
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,700
Exactly it's a harsh that's very
scene of. 

1015
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:29,300
It's got a very sharp you know 
it could cut you with that. 

1016
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:31,700
Words. 
But anyway, any response. 

1017
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:35,200
So one of my favorite articles 
in here is from a gentleman 

1018
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:40,200
named Joe, soberin, he was the 
senior editor at National Review

1019
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,900
for 18 years. 
He was William Buckley's 

1020
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,600
right-hand man. 
And he came out and said, look, 

1021
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,300
I've been a conservative my 
entire life. 

1022
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:50,800
However, I talk to Murray 
rothbard and it was interesting,

1023
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,600
but then I talked to Hans 
Harbour and I just became an 

1024
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,100
anarchist. 
The reason that he gives, but 

1025
00:56:57,100 --> 00:56:59,500
let me just quote one, but one 
brief section page. 01:36 

1026
00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:02,300
gradually. 
I came to see that the 

1027
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:05,600
conservative challenge to 
liberalism's just Prudence of 

1028
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:10,200
loose construction was far too 
narrow nearly everything to it. 

1029
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,800
All I thought was the 10th 
Amendment, which forbids the 

1030
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,800
federal government to exercise 
any powers, not specifically 

1031
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,800
assigned to it in the 
Constitution, but the 10th 

1032
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,900
Amendment had been comatose 
since the New Deal when 

1033
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:25,800
Roosevelt's Court virtually 
excised it. 

1034
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:29,300
So in other words, the 
conservative the second, they 

1035
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,600
Have this group, the state, a 
monopoly on an interpretation of

1036
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,700
a great document. 
What would be a great contract 

1037
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:40,700
that you can write up for a 
number of people organizing 

1038
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:42,200
together, maybe an HOA or 
something. 

1039
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,100
The second it becomes 
monopolized. 

1040
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:49,500
That means only one group gets 
to interpret it and you can come

1041
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:53,400
away with interpretations that 
are blatantly ridiculous. 

1042
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,700
So, when the conservative says, 
well, we need things like 

1043
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:59,300
objective law, we have to have, 
you know, some way of knowing 

1044
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,700
owing, what's legal and what 
isn't the Supreme Court right 

1045
00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:04,600
now? 
Nine lawyers who went to Ivy 

1046
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,200
League schools, don't agree on. 
Whether there's a right to own, 

1047
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:11,100
an AR-15 nor do, they agree on 
whether there's a right to an 

1048
00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:13,700
abortion. 
So the idea that 330 million 

1049
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:16,700
people will objectively 
understand a law when nine 

1050
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:19,500
Supreme Court Justices, who went
to like Harvard or Yale or 

1051
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:23,400
somewhere else. 
That is not going to happen. 

1052
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,700
In a much more likely scenario 
is people are going to engage in

1053
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:31,700
voluntary contracts that allow 
Them to increase their utility 

1054
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,700
because they have an incentive, 
and the other party has the 

1055
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:40,200
right to disassociate from them 
if they're not meeting their end

1056
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:42,900
of the bargain. 
So when it comes to things like 

1057
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:48,100
increased degeneracy, no laws 
and such this is occurring at a 

1058
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:51,100
point where the American 
government does exist. 

1059
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:55,200
So what they're essentially 
saying is without a state we 

1060
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,900
might have all the things that 
are currently happening under a 

1061
00:58:57,900 --> 00:59:00,300
state. 
All All of these bad things can 

1062
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:02,800
always happen. 
The question is under, which 

1063
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,800
system would you rather this 
problem exists and which system?

1064
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:11,100
Best incentivizes the absence of
this system. 

1065
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:15,200
So, when it comes to something, 
like, people using drugs, or the

1066
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:20,700
mafia existing just, as people 
were more likely to drink 

1067
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:23,500
moonshine during prohibition 
because you needed something 

1068
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:25,400
small, you could hide. 
Therefore, it was much more 

1069
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,500
potent, much less reliable. 
Well, then they're more likely 

1070
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:32,000
to use things like So, meth and 
heroin today, and they're much 

1071
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,300
more likely to overdose when it 
comes to making these things 

1072
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:38,700
illegal. 
That's where mafias come in. 

1073
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:42,700
That's where MS-13 actually gets
more power than they otherwise 

1074
00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:44,700
would have. 
I don't like the fact that 

1075
00:59:44,700 --> 00:59:49,400
Scottsdale is like flooded with 
all of these pot shops, but it 

1076
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,600
is a hell of a lot better than 
people getting separated from 

1077
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:56,100
their kids families being torn 
apart. 

1078
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:59,200
You then having something 
terrible on your record for the 

1079
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:01,200
The rest of your lifetime. 
So when it comes to something 

1080
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,800
like that, the existence of a 
state doesn't stop it from 

1081
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,100
happening. 
The police are the people not 

1082
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:10,400
protecting you from the 
existence and then the final 

1083
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:15,600
thing of varieties, well, did 
the police face any terrible 

1084
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,200
consequences. 
I mean, this guy who I've, I 

1085
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,600
think his name was Michael bird 
or something. 

1086
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,400
He murders. 
Ashley Babbitt on camera, 

1087
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:27,100
everyone sees it and there's not
even a trial. 

1088
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,700
I mean hero Kelly Thomas is 
murdered on security camera by 

1089
01:00:31,700 --> 01:00:35,100
two officers, they get off, 
Tony, tempeh is suffocated to 

1090
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:37,500
death, Eric Garner suffocated to
death. 

1091
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:43,200
So these cops not only will 
punish innocent people who are 

1092
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,400
mostly peaceful. 
They will allow riots to exist 

1093
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,600
because they know the response 
will be people begging for more 

1094
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,200
police. 
So, all of the terrible things 

1095
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,700
you say can happen. 
Under a voluntary, Society have 

1096
01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:57,100
happened under a state of 
society. 

1097
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,100
The question is, should They 
face competition or should they 

1098
01:01:01,100 --> 01:01:03,100
not according to the 
conservative? 

1099
01:01:03,100 --> 01:01:07,400
Well, all we have to do is Lobby
them and maybe elect someone 

1100
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,900
who's really going to lay down 
the law. 

1101
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,500
The laws, the tax code alone is 
72,000 pages that no one's ever 

1102
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:17,500
read any time. 
An IRS agent is looking at the 

1103
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,000
same person's income. 
They come up with two different 

1104
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,600
vertex on what the person 
actually owes this is research 

1105
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,700
done by John has this in a 
chapter titled, the obviousness 

1106
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,400
of Anarchy. 
He cites that in my book. 

1107
01:01:29,700 --> 01:01:33,200
So one you don't get objective 
law, where everyone knows, drugs

1108
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,800
are illegal crime, and rioting 
is illegal there for, but we 

1109
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,600
won't have it if a state exists.
It's more likely to happen 

1110
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,700
because you don't have the 
competition incentive. 

1111
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:46,600
Not to mention that. 
The reason people, believe all 

1112
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,200
this trash and nonsense is 
because of government schools 

1113
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,200
and universities, which pushed 
the debunked, the racism 

1114
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,300
conspiracy theory that leads to 
all of these riots, which could 

1115
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:58,700
be certainly considered 
blowback. 

1116
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:02,800
To what some extent. 
So, I mean, none of that 

1117
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,400
justifies a coercively funded 
Monopoly yet. 

1118
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,100
They list a ton of bad things 
but those things exist in any 

1119
01:02:08,100 --> 01:02:10,300
society, it's like saying, well,
ignorance exist. 

1120
01:02:10,300 --> 01:02:14,000
Therefore, we need a state, it's
just as bad as saying, ignorance

1121
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,100
exists, therefore, the Koch 
brothers need to coercively fund

1122
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:21,100
and monopolize schooling systems
that won't necessarily solve the

1123
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:22,800
problem. 
In fact, it'll make it worse. 

1124
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,200
Same thing with the state. 
Yeah. 

1125
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:30,500
No no absolutely. 
And I mean and On the bright 

1126
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:32,700
side. 
There have been a lot of people 

1127
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:35,300
on that side waking up over the 
last few years. 

1128
01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:39,200
But man I mean if you could just
see you know, from the if you 

1129
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,800
look at the Riots of 2020 from 
the fact that the whole thing 

1130
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,800
was the cops fault for sparking 
the event L. 

1131
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,500
Okay, I know that, you know, 
like George Floyd thing was 

1132
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:53,000
absolutely inexcusable to 
fucking no. 

1133
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,600
Need to throw this dude, who was
having a panic attack on the 

1134
01:02:55,607 --> 01:02:58,600
ground and let your knee on his 
neck until he fucking died, like

1135
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,800
it. 
Just inexcusable, he wasn't even

1136
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,600
like a violent threat. 
It was just like fucking that 

1137
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,800
cop was having some fun and 
then, okay, yes. 

1138
01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:10,700
There were all of the race 
Hustlers and all of these people

1139
01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:14,300
who pushed it, and all of that. 
But the cops fucking started it 

1140
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:16,900
with this problem. 
And then once the riots, fucking

1141
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:20,100
spread, you see the cops, like, 
they'll go up to like, some 

1142
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:23,200
little old man, and push him 
down on his fucking head. 

1143
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,400
They'll go throw some girl on 
the ground. 

1144
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,100
But when there's a big group of 
people, actually fucking looting

1145
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:30,500
and destroying, And fucking 
people up and all this, huh? 

1146
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:33,000
Then they back off because it's 
not, you know, it's like if you 

1147
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,600
can't look at that and just see 
ma'am. 

1148
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:39,200
This is not the best system for 
protecting against this, then I 

1149
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,900
can't help you. 
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All right, let's move. 
Let's move to the more I think 

1177
01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:23,100
in some ways interesting 
critique of libertarianism, the 

1178
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:28,500
kind of the more hardcore 
right-wing Neo. 

1179
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,300
Reactionary criticism of 
libertarianism, which some of it

1180
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:39,100
seems to be led by like, or very
influenced by courtesy Arvin. 

1181
01:05:39,300 --> 01:05:43,100
I know you did a long podcast 
responding back to him which I 

1182
01:05:43,100 --> 01:05:47,000
thought was excellent. 
So his he would use this 

1183
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,500
analogy. 
I don't want to butcher the 

1184
01:05:48,500 --> 01:05:53,400
analogy but it was something 
like, well, look, if the if you 

1185
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:58,400
had like a pole standing 
straight up, you might only need

1186
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,800
a little bit. 
The pressure to keep it, you 

1187
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,900
know, straight up. 
But once it's all the way in 

1188
01:06:02,908 --> 01:06:06,200
this direction, you need a whole
lot of force to bring it back 

1189
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,700
into equilibrium. 
And so, I think the argument 

1190
01:06:09,700 --> 01:06:13,700
basically goes that, like, look 
in order, if there's been all 

1191
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:18,000
this Force that's been used to 
get Society to where it is, then

1192
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:22,900
we need a whole lot of force to 
bring it back to something more 

1193
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:27,600
like sanity, you know, something
more like what the the correct 

1194
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,200
order would look. 
Like, and then so that's the 

1195
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,700
first point. 
And then I think the second 

1196
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:38,100
point would be something to do 
with with Libertarians strategy,

1197
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:43,400
like the idea that you're just 
going to wake a lot of people up

1198
01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:48,500
is not actually what moves 
societies, what move societies 

1199
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:52,100
is what very powerful people who
are always destined to be very 

1200
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:54,400
powerful. 
People actually think and how 

1201
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,500
they actually move things and so
we kind of maybe let's take them

1202
01:06:57,500 --> 01:07:00,700
one by one and we We could we 
could spend the rest of our time

1203
01:07:00,700 --> 01:07:04,100
on that. 
So number number one, the idea 

1204
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:07,400
that say because this I think is
while I disagree with it, I 

1205
01:07:07,408 --> 01:07:12,100
think is a much more intelligent
criticism the idea of say after,

1206
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:17,400
for example, after a something 
like what we've had with the 

1207
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,400
covid regime, you have people 
like the Santa's and Abbott and 

1208
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:25,600
Texas saying, hey, we're going 
to ban private businesses from 

1209
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,700
discriminating against the 
unvaccinated, you know. 

1210
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:30,200
No. 
And so, you could say, well, 

1211
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,300
that's not exactly a Libertarian
solution. 

1212
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:36,400
But you go, you know, look after
all of this government Force has

1213
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:42,000
been injected into, you know, 
taking whatever. 

1214
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,400
After all this government Force 
has been injected into 

1215
01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:48,200
propagandizing people to hate 
the unvaccinated, and all of 

1216
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,600
this government Force has been, 
you know, used to push the 

1217
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:56,600
vaccine and guarantee liability,
you know, is covered for the 

1218
01:07:56,607 --> 01:07:59,800
vaccine and all of this that 
now, We're going to need some 

1219
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,100
force in the other direction to 
counter that. 

1220
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,000
What do you have a response to 
that? 

1221
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:07,800
Yeah. 
When it comes to the need for 

1222
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,400
large-scale societal change this
absolutely can exist when their 

1223
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,899
state for reactionaries or 
anyone who's just not a member 

1224
01:08:16,899 --> 01:08:21,700
of the current Cathedral for 
them to occupy and sometimes 

1225
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:24,000
that can be vitally important 
because it allows you to do 

1226
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:28,100
things like engage in minimal 
necessary Force responses. 

1227
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:31,399
So So, I mean, the response 
could be anyone who advocated 

1228
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:33,700
the vaccine goes to prison, 
millions of people. 

1229
01:08:33,899 --> 01:08:36,700
Well, that would be very that, 
be a very high cost. 

1230
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:42,399
So maybe the minimum necessary 
step is we can stop the vaccine 

1231
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:46,300
mandates of employers and I 
totally get that because 

1232
01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:49,300
something that's classically 
what the state is people 

1233
01:08:49,300 --> 01:08:52,300
benefiting at the expense of 
others and those other people 

1234
01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:55,500
benefiting at the expense of 
you, it's like you can only 

1235
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:58,200
punch someone in the face when 
their hands are down. 

1236
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:01,600
So So we'd be better off without
this thing, but sometimes I've 

1237
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,200
been getting hit this entire 
time, can I can finally punch 

1238
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,800
back. 
I'm going to take my chance when

1239
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,600
I get it. 
So, I totally get that. 

1240
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:13,500
The idea that, well, if the pole
is society, and we generally 

1241
01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:16,000
have this equilibrium, but the 
society going fine 

1242
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,600
libertarianism work here. 
But if Society is completely on 

1243
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,600
its ends, Somalia places like 
Baltimore sad, that that's an 

1244
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:29,700
analogy, but it happens to be 
Then you need someone to really 

1245
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:32,899
step in. 
Well, the fallacy that's 

1246
01:09:32,899 --> 01:09:37,000
occurring is he's equating 
initiating violence power with 

1247
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,500
institutional power. 
So we could say that there is a 

1248
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:44,800
problem where we can't really 
move things from one place to 

1249
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:46,800
another. 
It's like we have a lot of stuff

1250
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,800
here, but it's needed over 
there. 

1251
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,100
So, therefore, you might think 
we need a monarch to step in and

1252
01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:54,100
control things. 
Well, what's happened? 

1253
01:09:54,100 --> 01:09:57,500
Historically is a guy named 
Cornelius, Vanderbilt compete. 

1254
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:02,800
Added with a guy named Edward 
Collins and Collins got the up 

1255
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,000
to a million dollars, a year 
from the government, he was 

1256
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,600
subsidized and Cornelius, 
Vanderbilt was able to 

1257
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,800
out-compete him in steamships. 
This is not some trivial little 

1258
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,900
thing. 
Well, I think matches could be 

1259
01:10:15,900 --> 01:10:18,700
privatized. 
This is can human beings travel 

1260
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:21,600
across water and not just the 
kings of society. 

1261
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,300
Can the everyday person 
eventually be able to not just 

1262
01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:30,400
see the two miles that they Of 
the, you know, two mile radius 

1263
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,000
from where they happen to be 
born. 

1264
01:10:32,300 --> 01:10:36,000
Can they go from Manhattan to 
England and can they eventually 

1265
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,200
go to Argentina if they want? 
This is something huge when it 

1266
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,200
comes to the Wright. 
Brothers, the government plan to

1267
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,200
build a plane was called. 
I think it was called the 

1268
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,300
Langley project think. 
The guys name was Samuel 

1269
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:50,100
Langley, so they said well 
government's going to build a 

1270
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:51,200
plane. 
We're going to step in. 

1271
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:53,700
We can't have some unstable 
pole. 

1272
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:57,300
We have to have a stable stable 
plane that needs to be built. 

1273
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,100
Of course, the Langley project 
failed and to bike bicycle shop 

1274
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:02,700
owners. 
The Wright brothers with the 

1275
01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:07,100
help of their sister actually 
made a plane and that is what 

1276
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:12,700
later led to the Boeing 737s 
that many people fly on today. 

1277
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,900
So there's two examples of large
scale, Fast, Change, happening, 

1278
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:19,900
and coordination as a causal 
result of privatization. 

1279
01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:24,000
And not the need for a monarchy,
other examples would be the 

1280
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,400
drastically lowering in the 
price of oil. 

1281
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,700
As from John D Rockefeller, 
whether you love him or hate 

1282
01:11:31,700 --> 01:11:33,700
him. 
That is an example of people 

1283
01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:36,900
fastly organizing, something and
quickly getting it out to the 

1284
01:11:36,900 --> 01:11:40,600
masses Andrew Carnegie when it 
came to steal books when it 

1285
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,800
comes to the example of Jeff 
Bezos. 

1286
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,500
I remember where I'd have to 
work. 

1287
01:11:44,500 --> 01:11:48,100
Probably five or six hours of 
landscaping in order to afford a

1288
01:11:48,108 --> 01:11:51,400
book and now they're much more 
affordable because of people 

1289
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,000
like Jeff Bezos. 
So it being a Libertarian is not

1290
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,100
being against Power and 
organization. 

1291
01:11:57,500 --> 01:12:01,800
And people being very ambitious,
all that stuff is allowed or 

1292
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,400
Steve Jobs might even be a 
better example with computers 

1293
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,800
and iPhones. 
So, all of those examples, I 

1294
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,100
just gave tons of examples of 
people organizing and Society 

1295
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:12,500
coming together, and really 
aiming towards an end. 

1296
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,200
That's extraordinarily 
beneficial, that has to meet the

1297
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,900
standard of what your oven is, 
is claiming. 

1298
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:21,900
Well, we need to get people 
together. 

1299
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:26,100
Those are a number of examples 
of people coming together. 

1300
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:30,700
His And he does is he says, 
FedEx is an example of a 

1301
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:35,600
monarchy UPS is a monarchy. 
Your car is made by a monarchy. 

1302
01:12:35,700 --> 01:12:37,400
What restaurant do you like? 
It's a monarchy. 

1303
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:39,500
The reason it's a monarchy is it
has a CEO. 

1304
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:44,500
The CEO gives power to number of
underlings who hire employees 

1305
01:12:44,500 --> 01:12:46,500
who have customers. 
And then there's this feedback 

1306
01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:48,400
loop. 
The fact that he doesn't 

1307
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,600
differentiate or he does. 
So in very few pays places, he 

1308
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:56,000
doesn't differentiate between 
the Monarch, we can choose to 

1309
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,400
associate with, and the one we 
can. 

1310
01:12:57,500 --> 01:12:59,200
Say he's not providing enough 
value. 

1311
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,100
Screw him that is just 
unbeliever. 

1312
01:13:02,100 --> 01:13:04,900
Someone who's right haleh 
especially the last few chapters

1313
01:13:04,900 --> 01:13:06,800
of democracy. 
The God That Failed. 

1314
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:12,200
Are you telling me that if like 
Sears was able to issue taxes? 

1315
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,000
You'd be like well it's the same
as they were before. 

1316
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,300
No. 
Well, not even close. 

1317
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,300
Well, this is it and it drives 
me crazy because it's like 

1318
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:22,400
they're familiar with APA. 
They've already APA, they all 

1319
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,600
admire Hapa and yet they still 
insist on butchering him. 

1320
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:32,000
So It's like okay hop has 
argument agree with it or don't 

1321
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,900
agree with it. 
Hop has argument is that private

1322
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:39,900
property Society, an 
anarcho-capitalist Society is 

1323
01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:46,000
the best that we could hope for.
But preferable, to democracy is 

1324
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:51,100
monarchy because it better. 
Simulates private property where

1325
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:53,400
the Monarch privately owns 
government. 

1326
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,100
Now agree with that, or disagree
with that, however, you feel 

1327
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,900
that's their argument, But what 
they say is that Hapa argues 

1328
01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:05,300
that real libertarianism is 
monarchy and that, therefore 

1329
01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:09,100
what we want is monarchy and so 
see, look the New York Times is 

1330
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:12,300
a monarchy and, you know, FedEx 
is a monarchy and all of this 

1331
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:16,200
was like, no, no hop has point 
is exactly the opposite. 

1332
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,100
That actually a monarchy is 
private ownership of the 

1333
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:22,200
government, but what you're 
talking about is private 

1334
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,300
ownership of a company. 
That's that's just private 

1335
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:28,100
ownership now, okay? 
Yeah, you can say It's a monarch

1336
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:32,100
in the sense that I'm the 
monarch of my house, okay? 

1337
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:34,800
But like that's not what anyone 
means by monarchy, what they 

1338
01:14:34,808 --> 01:14:36,900
mean by it as someone who owns 
the government. 

1339
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,600
And so, obviously Papa's 
position is preferable to. 

1340
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,800
That is an anarcho-capitalist, 
private property Society. 

1341
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,200
Then my thing with this argument
right here, I got a pain to. 

1342
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,200
It's a it's a kind of gay yellow
pain, but I got one here too. 

1343
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:53,400
Right? 
So I think that courtesy arvin's

1344
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:58,000
argument is that like, okay, 
look Society up here It's very 

1345
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,900
little pressure to hold this up.
I could just rest my hand right 

1346
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:02,800
here and holds very little 
pressure, but it's all the way 

1347
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,400
over here. 
It takes all this pressure to 

1348
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,500
get it back up here, right? 
But my counter to, that would be

1349
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:13,300
that when somebody is right 
here, what's actually going on 

1350
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,500
and my argument would be that 
currently. 

1351
01:15:15,500 --> 01:15:17,900
What's going on is there's all 
this pressure right here. 

1352
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:21,200
And what we really need to do is
take this pressure off in the 

1353
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,800
natural point is right back up 
here. 

1354
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,500
Now, it may when you take this 
pressure off, swing around a 

1355
01:15:26,508 --> 01:15:29,400
little fucking bitch. 
And meet ultimately in this 

1356
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,100
equilibrium here. 
But that's what's going on is 

1357
01:15:33,100 --> 01:15:36,600
that there's all this pressure. 
Look all of this shit all the 

1358
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,700
crazy like Falcon, whatever 
you'd call, leftism. 

1359
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,700
Woke ISM. 
All of this. 

1360
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,400
It's a government program. 
It's all a woke ism is a 

1361
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,200
government program. 
It is all it exists in the 

1362
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:53,200
public school sector in the, it 
came out of the university is 

1363
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:57,000
its pushed by the CIA and the 
FBI and all of these different. 

1364
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,900
Ins the entire political class, 
the entire Hollywood class the 

1365
01:16:00,900 --> 01:16:03,200
entire. 
It's everything that's propped 

1366
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,600
up by the regime, by the 
cathedral. 

1367
01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:09,900
All you got. 
You see this constantly, all 

1368
01:16:09,900 --> 01:16:15,200
you'd have to do is remove that 
pressure and it would be gone. 

1369
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:19,100
There's no way this stuff could 
survive within the market. 

1370
01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:21,400
And if I'm wrong about that, I'm
wrong about that. 

1371
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,300
But there seems to be, no. 
I mean, it seems like every 

1372
01:16:24,300 --> 01:16:28,900
indication is that if you just 
relieved that Sure, there's no 

1373
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:32,000
way any of this stuff would 
exist if you're telling me that 

1374
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:37,200
any of this left at, like, how 
would gender studies? 

1375
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:44,700
Exist, without the college, you 
know, like system, but the whole

1376
01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:47,800
thing is just teaching kids. 
And then them maybe having a 

1377
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,500
career teaching other kids. 
It's a big Ponzi scheme, propped

1378
01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:55,400
up by government tax dollars, 
like just get rid of that and 

1379
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,600
watch the problem solve itself. 
And then there's a big incentive

1380
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,500
for those voters to exist 
because they actually have a 

1381
01:17:03,508 --> 01:17:06,700
state to, which they can use 
their vote to impose, their will

1382
01:17:06,700 --> 01:17:10,400
on you where There wasn't that 
bat signal, they would be less 

1383
01:17:10,700 --> 01:17:13,700
likely to be attracted to it and
they'd have to use their power 

1384
01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:17,600
of persuasion, but specifically.
So, the last chapter of the book

1385
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,200
is 50 pages and it's just a 
collection of random quotes that

1386
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,100
I think are important. 
So, one of the quotes is from 

1387
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:29,200
democracy, The God That Failed 
page 72 and papa makes this so 

1388
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,400
clear. 
He says it was to a large 

1389
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:35,700
extent, the inflated price of 
justice and the perversions of 

1390
01:17:35,700 --> 01:17:38,900
ancient law by the Kings. 
motivated, the historical 

1391
01:17:38,900 --> 01:17:43,700
opposition of monarchy, however,
confusion as to the causes of 

1392
01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:46,500
this phenomenon prevailed, there
were those who recognized 

1393
01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:51,000
correctly the problem, lay with 
Monopoly, not with Elites or 

1394
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,000
nobility, but they were far 
outnumbered by those who 

1395
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,900
erroneously blamed it on the 
elitist character of the rulers 

1396
01:17:57,900 --> 01:18:01,500
instead and who accordingly 
strove to maintain the Monopoly 

1397
01:18:01,500 --> 01:18:05,700
of Law, and law enforcement, and
merely replace the king and the 

1398
01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:09,900
visible Royal pump by the The 
people and the presume modesty 

1399
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:14,800
and decency of the common man. 
Hence, the historic success of 

1400
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:19,100
democracy so you could have the 
same person in two different 

1401
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,500
situations, the voluntary 
Monarch, who people can 

1402
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:26,100
disassociate with who has a real
incentive to make as much money 

1403
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:29,500
as you can, to get as high of a 
social status as he possibly 

1404
01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:31,600
can. 
And he can't get a dime out of 

1405
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,600
your pocket, unless you 
voluntarily give it to him. 

1406
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:37,100
The monopolist does not face 
such an incentive. 

1407
01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:42,300
So when Jarvan and the like say 
that they want government to be 

1408
01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:46,900
run like a company, I think any 
governing service can be run in 

1409
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,800
in such a way does that get to 
the heart? 

1410
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,900
You also mentioned strategy. 
Now as far as what the 

1411
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:59,100
libertarian strategy can be well
first embracing the division of 

1412
01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:02,100
Labour and recognizing that some
people are good at convincing 

1413
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,700
some and not others. 
That is that's one of the The 

1414
01:19:07,700 --> 01:19:10,700
things that should be at the 
top, but second, when it comes 

1415
01:19:10,700 --> 01:19:15,500
to people's ability to influence
politics, they have no incentive

1416
01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:18,800
at all to get, informed. 
It's extremely costly to 

1417
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,100
understand agriculture 
subsidies. 

1418
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:26,200
Let alone agricultural subsidies
and the minimum wage and sugar 

1419
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:30,100
quotas and foreign policy with 
Yemen and Pakistan and 

1420
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:32,800
everything else. 
So because that is likely to 

1421
01:19:32,808 --> 01:19:37,500
happen, we have people who have 
an incentive to accept things. 

1422
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,800
Once they are privatized and 
once the state has diminished in

1423
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,700
power, one of the big white pill
articles in here is called one 

1424
01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:48,700
moral standard for all by 
Sheldon Richmond and he says, 

1425
01:19:48,700 --> 01:19:52,200
look, it can be intimidating to 
be afraid of advocate because 

1426
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,300
you say, oh God we disagree with
people on health care and the 

1427
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:57,200
environment. 
And oh God, there's a thousand 

1428
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:01,200
things we got to convince them 
of all we have to do is get them

1429
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,600
to stop believing in this Cult 
of statism which is that 

1430
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,400
morality applies differently to 
different people, right? 

1431
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,000
The complementary essay is how 
private governance made the 

1432
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,900
modern world possible by Edward 
Stringham. 

1433
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:18,000
So he uses the example of eBay, 
not a small company, PayPal, not

1434
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,800
a small example, Amazon out a 
small example. 

1435
01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:24,400
How these are mostly reputation 
based organizations that even if

1436
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,700
someone says hey, I'm at Amazon.
I'm using my spam is my small 

1437
01:20:28,700 --> 01:20:32,300
business to work through Amazon 
and I'm going to screw you out 

1438
01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:36,100
of your money, it still doesn't 
pay to use the government court 

1439
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:39,000
system. 
You still Private Arbiters, or 

1440
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,700
you still comment or you leave 
reviews or you screenshot it and

1441
01:20:42,700 --> 01:20:46,300
post to Facebook and Myspace 
that threat of a bad reputation 

1442
01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:50,700
and decreasing your private 
voluntary income is a check and 

1443
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:52,500
balance that the marketplace 
has. 

1444
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,300
So it's not just convincing 
people, delegitimizing, The 

1445
01:20:56,300 --> 01:20:58,700
Authority. 
There's also the economic 

1446
01:20:58,700 --> 01:21:01,900
incentive that exist for people 
to not associate with the state 

1447
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:05,500
even if they love it because 
association with it can be 

1448
01:21:05,900 --> 01:21:09,500
extraordinarily costly. 
So those are two of the reasons 

1449
01:21:09,500 --> 01:21:12,800
I think libertarianism is not 
just, some pie-in-the-sky 

1450
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:17,800
magical thing that, you know, we
just pretend is going to exist 

1451
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:19,700
one day. 
So much of it exists. 

1452
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:23,400
Now, so long as you don't have 
what that is Russell calls. 

1453
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:27,700
Shame is the health of the state
that because people feel that 

1454
01:21:27,700 --> 01:21:29,000
they have an obligation to this 
thing. 

1455
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,200
They tend to obey it. 
Once you expose them as the 

1456
01:21:31,208 --> 01:21:34,300
absolute criminals, they are. 
Well, then people like, Steven, 

1457
01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:36,800
Crowder are going to get on in 
front of his millions of viewers

1458
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,800
and say. 
FBI should be abolished, no one 

1459
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,500
has an obligation to fund them 
or obey them. 

1460
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,800
Well that certainly is a step in
the right direction. 

1461
01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:49,600
So I think Jarvan is not correct
on both strategy or the 

1462
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,800
illegitimate see of a possible 
libertarian strategy as well as 

1463
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:57,200
his pencil analogy. 
Did I answer that or what I 

1464
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,200
think and I think you answered a
lot of it. 

1465
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:03,500
I guess the final thing and we 
could we could close on this is 

1466
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:07,400
the in terms of in the realm of 
strategy, I think. 

1467
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:13,200
What some of the Neo reactionary
types would argue is that, you 

1468
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:19,000
know, it's just even convincing 
more people is pointless, what 

1469
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:23,100
I'm doing, my work is pointless.
It doesn't matter how many, you 

1470
01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:25,800
know, even if Steven Crowder 
says this, and even if more 

1471
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,700
people don't believe in the 
legitimacy of government, it 

1472
01:22:28,700 --> 01:22:32,400
doesn't really matter because at
the end of the day, there's 

1473
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,600
going to be this, this ultimate 
Sovereign. 

1474
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:37,400
There's going to be this this 
power. 

1475
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,600
Center. 
And they're going to do is they 

1476
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,800
wish and whatever the the change
doesn't come. 

1477
01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:49,200
It's the opposite of kind of 
like the old, you know, the new 

1478
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,800
Left view that the change comes 
from the bottom up to change, 

1479
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,600
actually comes from the top 
down. 

1480
01:22:54,700 --> 01:22:58,000
And so what you really would 
care about doing is convincing 

1481
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:03,100
Elites powerful people, rather 
than convincing you know regular

1482
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:06,100
you know people who might listen
to the this podcast or something

1483
01:23:06,100 --> 01:23:09,100
like that my response. 
That typically would be that, 

1484
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:12,400
you know, I mean, those powerful
Elites seem to spend a ton of 

1485
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,500
time trying to propagandize the 
people. 

1486
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,400
So it seems that they believe 
it's pretty important to have 

1487
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,500
everyone believe in this. 
And so I think it's probably 

1488
01:23:20,500 --> 01:23:23,600
pretty important to unplug 
people from that. 

1489
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,500
You know, that propaganda and to
counter it but I don't know. 

1490
01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:30,500
Do you have any anything to that
or do you think is that their 

1491
01:23:30,500 --> 01:23:32,300
argument exactly? 
Or what do you think? 

1492
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:35,600
Yeah, that's a common 
expression. 

1493
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:40,000
If if there No hope their 
propaganda would be unnecessary.

1494
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:43,700
So the fact that they're feeding
us, this trash is evidence that 

1495
01:23:43,700 --> 01:23:47,300
they recognize that public 
opinion and acceptance is 

1496
01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:48,900
important. 
I will. 

1497
01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:52,900
I'm sorry to use the eovaldi 
thing again, but literally one 

1498
01:23:52,900 --> 01:23:58,200
person with a gun got 376 
officers to stand down a number 

1499
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:03,600
of churchgoers in Texas. 
Got the FBI to stand down for 51

1500
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,700
days and yes they were murdered 
afterwards but so fucking what 

1501
01:24:06,700 --> 01:24:09,500
people who follow The law, all 
the time, get murdered as well. 

1502
01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:13,200
I'd much rather be these people 
than any of the other ones so. 

1503
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:16,300
Okay. 
That that that's a portion of 

1504
01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:19,400
it. 
Also the power vacuum argument 

1505
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:23,300
doesn't recognize the importance
of public opinion when it comes 

1506
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:26,900
to a power vacuum. 
So if everyone believes in the 

1507
01:24:26,907 --> 01:24:32,000
concept of statism, some people 
have a right to rule others and 

1508
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:34,500
this, right? 
Exist has a cause of result of 

1509
01:24:34,500 --> 01:24:36,700
people voting. 
It's only voting through this 

1510
01:24:36,700 --> 01:24:39,100
institution. 
If any other institution voted 

1511
01:24:39,100 --> 01:24:41,100
that would be initiating 
violence against peaceful 

1512
01:24:41,100 --> 01:24:44,400
people. 
This this is so important 

1513
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:48,700
because just as a sod would have
a hard time coming to America 

1514
01:24:48,900 --> 01:24:52,300
and then just becoming 
president, even though he is the

1515
01:24:52,300 --> 01:24:56,100
president or prime minister of 
Syria, or whoever replaced 

1516
01:24:56,100 --> 01:24:58,900
Netanyahu, or a hood, Barack all
these people would have 

1517
01:24:58,900 --> 01:25:01,300
difficulty. 
Even though they literally are 

1518
01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:03,500
Kings presidents, Prime 
Ministers, whatever you want to 

1519
01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:06,200
call them simply. 
Because in America, they don't 

1520
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:07,600
recognize that. 
AMA. 

1521
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:11,100
See Kim Jang, Hoon. 
Very powerful person in one area

1522
01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:15,100
and not another area because in 
this area he does not have wide 

1523
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,900
spread recognition of being 
legitimate. 

1524
01:25:17,900 --> 01:25:21,700
So the power vacuum will always 
exist. 

1525
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:26,000
The question is what is the what
checks are going to exist? 

1526
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,500
Is there going to be a 
democratic vote? 

1527
01:25:27,500 --> 01:25:30,300
Is there going to be 
Constitution that the Monarch is

1528
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:35,100
pressured into following or that
he has a financial incentive to 

1529
01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:38,400
follow when it comes to enter? 
Capitalism. 

1530
01:25:38,700 --> 01:25:42,800
The simple non-recognition of a 
double standard is the check and

1531
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,500
balance that drastically limits 
doesn't make it impossible. 

1532
01:25:46,500 --> 01:25:50,100
Yes, you can murder people. 
Yes, you can form mobs. 

1533
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:53,500
But then again, most mobs get 
their power from black markets 

1534
01:25:53,500 --> 01:25:57,300
which allow them to thrive in 
areas they otherwise wouldn't be

1535
01:25:57,300 --> 01:26:01,200
able to. 
So when it comes to power 

1536
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:05,200
vacuums existing, yes, they can 
always exist but they primarily 

1537
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,600
exists as a causal result of 
people believing in statism 

1538
01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:10,600
something, they'll happily 
change. 

1539
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:14,400
Once the people who are cool or 
even the elites I agree, I'd 

1540
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,500
rather Elon Musk. 
I take Elon Musk and Joe Rogan 

1541
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:21,700
and Mark Zuckerberg becoming a 
volunteer us over like, you 

1542
01:26:21,708 --> 01:26:24,400
know, I don't know, 10,000 of my
neighbors or something because 

1543
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,600
then it would make it cool. 
Then it would make it popular 

1544
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,100
then it would make it, okay? 
Just as in most advertising's 

1545
01:26:30,100 --> 01:26:33,300
for something like Corona Extra,
you have a ton of people smiling

1546
01:26:33,300 --> 01:26:35,200
and hugging each other and 
they're in great shape. 

1547
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,800
Well, they're telling you that 
this Product is associated with 

1548
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,700
happiness and well-being in 
popularity because people are 

1549
01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:45,000
constantly seeking acceptance 
and their biggest fear is 

1550
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:46,900
rejection. 
If we show them that 

1551
01:26:46,900 --> 01:26:49,800
volunteerism is cool. 
And then make it more popular 

1552
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:54,400
than something, like monarchism,
which necessarily relies on this

1553
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,000
double standard that can't be 
applied consistently. 

1554
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,400
I mean, whenever they give me an
argument, I say, did your 

1555
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,400
Monarch allow you to make this 
argument? 

1556
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,600
Don't you want to make sure that
I'm the monarch of you this way?

1557
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:09,300
I use my low time. 
France to violently dominate you

1558
01:27:09,300 --> 01:27:11,900
when increase your well-being in
the future or do you just live 

1559
01:27:11,900 --> 01:27:14,800
in Menorca stand in your head 
and you just go around engaging 

1560
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,800
with people, voluntarily and 
engaging in actual libertarian, 

1561
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:19,900
ethics before you make any large
purchases. 

1562
01:27:19,900 --> 01:27:22,100
Do check with a monarch to make 
sure it's okay. 

1563
01:27:22,300 --> 01:27:25,800
No, you don't, obviously not 
because so much of our life is 

1564
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,900
lived in libertarianism because 
that's actually, what evaluates.

1565
01:27:29,900 --> 01:27:34,500
Yeah, it's only because of this 
propagandistic bullshit that is 

1566
01:27:34,500 --> 01:27:37,300
constantly fed to us, through 
government. 

1567
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:38,900
Entities. 
So yes. 

1568
01:27:38,900 --> 01:27:40,600
Power vacuums. 
What exists the reason they have

1569
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,700
so much Powers because of the 
existence of a state, if you had

1570
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:47,200
to individually, collect four 
trillion dollars from strangers,

1571
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,800
every year, it would be 
something like totally 

1572
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,600
impossible but because people 
believe the IRS has the 

1573
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,000
legitimacy to do. 
So, what's the IRS 1% of 

1574
01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:58,900
America? 
I bet it's not even close to 1% 

1575
01:27:58,900 --> 01:28:02,700
of 1% and they're still able to 
collect more than any mafia 

1576
01:28:02,700 --> 01:28:05,000
could ever dream up. 
Because people recognize the 

1577
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,400
legitimacy, once a very small 
percentage of people. 

1578
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:10,700
It'll stop recognizing that 
legitimacy the cost of the state

1579
01:28:10,700 --> 01:28:13,300
to enforce its edicts becomes 
way too high. 

1580
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:17,300
And we have to want to say we 
have to but it's also important 

1581
01:28:17,300 --> 01:28:21,500
to get people to just hate this 
organization so showing them the

1582
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:25,200
Kelly Thomas video, it's not 
like well, I'm really cheap, so 

1583
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,100
I don't like that. 
I have to pay taxes. 

1584
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,800
It's I hate this organization 
that kidnaps people for 

1585
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,300
victimless crimes. 
I have a chapter in here at idle

1586
01:28:33,300 --> 01:28:36,400
homelessness regulation and 
exploitation, two cases. 

1587
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,700
One in Los Angeles gone. 
Was Summers and a guy in 

1588
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:42,200
Washington named, Jay Austin. 
They built houses for the 

1589
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,600
homeless for between one 
thousand dollars and fifty 

1590
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,000
thousand dollars, and the homes 
were confiscated by the state 

1591
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:52,100
forced homelessness exists 
because it wasn't up to code, 

1592
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,300
whatever the hell code is, I 
don't believe any of them. 

1593
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:58,100
Even, I guess that it was those 
camps, those homeless camps, the

1594
01:28:58,100 --> 01:29:00,800
encampments and Los Angeles are 
up to code. 

1595
01:29:01,500 --> 01:29:04,200
Yeah, yeah. 
Really murdering civilians. 

1596
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:09,100
Totally up to code. 
So look, but once we get people 

1597
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:12,100
to really hate this thing, we're
going to take a small 

1598
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:16,000
percentage, it's not like 90% 
what percentage has to resist 

1599
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,700
and stop, recognizing its 
legitimacy. 

1600
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:22,900
Something very small, therefore 
libertarianism the a reasonable 

1601
01:29:22,900 --> 01:29:24,800
thing that can really be 
achieved. 

1602
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,700
It takes people, recognizing 
something. 

1603
01:29:26,700 --> 01:29:30,300
They already accept and 
extending it to the political 

1604
01:29:30,300 --> 01:29:32,700
class. 
So yes it is realistic. 

1605
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,900
I agree and I think that that is
it. 

1606
01:29:35,900 --> 01:29:37,400
There's something I think that's
great. 

1607
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,900
What you said something in there
really stuck with me. 

1608
01:29:39,900 --> 01:29:45,600
The example, about like Assad 
coming over here, or is that 

1609
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,900
whoever pick whatever world 
leader, you want to pick, you 

1610
01:29:48,900 --> 01:29:54,500
know, pick like imagine if, you 
know, you know Assad or 

1611
01:29:54,500 --> 01:29:58,100
Netanyahu or Putin or like any 
other world leader, you could 

1612
01:29:58,100 --> 01:30:00,800
think of came over here and I 
would just go even one step 

1613
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,400
further with that analogy and 
say and imagine all that the 

1614
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,400
powerful billionaires and Elite 
Class People. 

1615
01:30:07,500 --> 01:30:11,000
Who were behind them? 
Could they convince Americans? 

1616
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,900
This is your new ruler. 
My guess is no, because they, 

1617
01:30:15,700 --> 01:30:17,200
it's just like, no, we don't 
accept that. 

1618
01:30:17,300 --> 01:30:18,900
That's not what we've been 
trained to believe. 

1619
01:30:18,900 --> 01:30:20,800
That's not who rules this 
government. 

1620
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,800
And so, and I think there's a 
very powerful point there that 

1621
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:28,500
it's like know in some ways this
represents the hayekian rothbard

1622
01:30:28,500 --> 01:30:31,500
Ian split, which in a very weird
way. 

1623
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,000
I think the Neo reactionaries 
are more on the side of the 

1624
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:39,300
hayekian, the idea that we need 
to convince The intellectuals, 

1625
01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:42,400
we need to convince the 
important people and then that 

1626
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,800
will be ultimately what leads to
like the and the truth is that 

1627
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,700
that's never going to happen. 
They're all incentivised. 

1628
01:30:49,700 --> 01:30:53,800
There's a reason why the the 
billionaire class all supports 

1629
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,600
the state because they benefit 
from it and the we have a much 

1630
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:01,000
better shot at just convincing 
the masses and I think if you 

1631
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,300
reach enough, it's critical 
mass, but I think as you pointed

1632
01:31:04,300 --> 01:31:07,000
out critical, mass is way lower 
than most people think it is. 

1633
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,800
I don't It's 60%, I think it's 
like 10% of society, you 

1634
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,100
convince 10% of society and then
you're going to be in like 

1635
01:31:14,100 --> 01:31:16,200
you're going to be blown away by
what changes? 

1636
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,700
All right, listen, we got to 
wrap up there, dude. 

1637
01:31:19,700 --> 01:31:21,200
I've really fucking enjoyed 
this. 

1638
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:24,000
It's been way too long since 
last time, I promise it will not

1639
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,800
be as long till next time I have
you on guys. 

1640
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,400
Go follow Keith Knight, he's one
of the best guys. 

1641
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:32,900
We got go purchase the 
voluntary, I almost at the 

1642
01:31:32,900 --> 01:31:35,100
anarchist. 
The voluntary is handbook. 

1643
01:31:35,300 --> 01:31:37,400
It's phenomenal and go check out
his show. 

1644
01:31:37,700 --> 01:31:40,600
Don't tread on anyone. 
Anything else that you want to 

1645
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,400
plug? 
Libertarian? 

1646
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,100
Institute.org of course. 
Mia Scott Horton, kylene's 

1647
01:31:46,100 --> 01:31:49,000
alone, Sheldon Richmond a ton of
authors. 

1648
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:53,100
There are General goal is to 
create an educational archive 

1649
01:31:53,100 --> 01:31:56,100
that you can go to. 
You can use a search engine type

1650
01:31:56,100 --> 01:31:59,200
in healthcare economics minimum 
wage iran-pakistan. 

1651
01:32:00,300 --> 01:32:05,100
We have so many free materials 
that were using because we want 

1652
01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:06,600
to but we want to make 
everything free. 

1653
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:08,900
No pay walls. 
Al's or anything because we want

1654
01:32:08,900 --> 01:32:13,600
to just change public opinion. 
Libertarian institute.org Dave 

1655
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,400
Smith. 
Thanks for having me dude. 

1656
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,600
My pleasure, thank you so much 
and thanks everybody for 

1657
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,000
listening. 
Catch you next time. 

1658
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:19,600
Peace.