1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,520 Welcome to Keith Knight, Don't Tread on Anyone. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,800 In the Libertarian Institute Today I am joined by the author 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,520 of Progressive Myths, Doctor Michael Humor, a professor of 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,040 philosophy at the University of Colorado. 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,680 Dr. Humor Where is the best place for people to go find this 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,080 book? Yeah, so it's on Amazon and it's 7 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:24,320 also on Barnes and Noble. I took the precaution of putting 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,320 it on two platforms in case it gets cancelled off one of them. 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,040 Nope. Good, good thinking. 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,800 Definitely. I don't want to have all your 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,720 eggs in one basket. Yeah. 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,720 So it's good to see you. You look a little different from 13 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,080 the last time I saw you. No. 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:45,080 Thank you I I appreciate that. I actually did the carnivore 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,040 diet which is just meat and cheese. 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,800 I cut out carbs and lost 110 lbs. 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:55,680 So my question for you, author of Ethical Veganism or Ethical 18 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:00,360 vegetarianism, I am totally open to switching diets. 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:06,200 What is an alternative diet I can use that will help me not 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,960 gain the weight back and have another 25 years of getting no 21 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:17,080 woman's attention? Well, I'm not, so I'm, I'm not a 22 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,280 nutrition or health expert, but you know, like what everything 23 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,440 that I've heard indicates that a lot of fresh fruits and 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,720 vegetables is good for you. I mean, I know that Jordan 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,640 Peterson is like doing this meat based thing, but he's not, he's 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,080 not a nutritionist. And like, and all the health 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,400 experts seem to seem to think, you know, fruit, fruits and 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,040 vegetables are good, you know, sort of like low glycemic load 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,800 foods, right. And, you know, like a, a lot of 30 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,400 fiber, you know, like I, I think like if you eat a lot of less, 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,760 let eat a lot of lettuce, you know, kind of like lowers the 32 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,000 glycemic load of your meal. And yeah, good, good for heart 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,840 health. You know, there there's some 34 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,040 research on this, that it looks like vegetarian and and vegan 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,080 diets give you lower risk of cardiovascular disease and a 36 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,400 little bit lower cancer risk. Got it. 37 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,640 All right, I will absolutely check those out. 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,200 All right, on to progressive myths. 39 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,480 Mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and lockdowns were necessary to 40 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,760 society in order to save lives during the COVID-19 pandemic. 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,160 How can we falsify that claim to determine its validity? 42 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,800 Well, I mean, so you know, in the book I have a chapter about 43 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:39,200 the masks and there have been a number of studies about masking. 44 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Now most of them were done before COVID-19. 45 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,760 So they were, they were studying other kinds of influenza like 46 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,880 illnesses, right? And and it just, it just 47 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,320 basically turns out that there was either a tiny effect or no 48 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,120 effect or possibly even a negative effect from wearing 49 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,960 masks, right? So they've done multiple studies 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,360 and some of them find significant benefits, but some 51 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,080 of them find harms and some of them find no effect. 52 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:09,200 OK, so like it's common for the mask enthusiasts to quote, but 53 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,560 there was a study in Bangladesh, which is the most popular thing 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,000 for the pro mask people, right? But that's one of many studies 55 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,880 that have been done. So it found a positive effect, 56 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,440 but there have been other studies that found negative 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,160 effects. And you might wonder like, wait, 58 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,280 how? How could masks actually 59 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,880 actually have a negative effect? How could it actually harm, you 60 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,600 know? And then, and there was one 61 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,440 where there was one study where wearing cloth masks increased 62 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,080 your risk of disease by something like sevenfold, OK, 63 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,720 which is like, that's a way bigger difference than the 64 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,920 alleged benefits, right? And the alleged benefit from 65 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:51,240 masks appears to be like a 5% risk reduction, which is tiny 66 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,800 and could be nothing, right? If it's that small, it might be 67 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,320 nothing, but OK, OK, But you know, but it could be a huge 68 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,760 increase. And cloth masks in particular, 69 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,640 because basically the germs survive in the cloth. 70 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,280 And so it becomes like a breeding ground for germs, 71 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,000 right? And like, because you're 72 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,560 exhaling and you're exhaling saliva into it, so then that 73 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:17,320 creates material for the viruses and bacteria to live in, right? 74 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,160 So OK. And there's the cost of being 75 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,400 uncomfortable 8 hours a day when you're at work and there's 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,520 either a government or employer mask mandate and you can't hear 77 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,840 people and you can't see facial expressions. 78 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,920 So the reason that I want to harp on the mask mandate before 79 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,160 getting into the other two of lockdowns and vaccine mandates 80 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:43,200 is they had no problem really increasing, really 81 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,160 inconveniencing millions amount of the working class people they 82 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:52,280 claim to be, you know, fighting on the behalf of with little or 83 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:55,920 no reason to do so. So as far as what else about 84 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,000 masks, as far as how we can verify whether or not the 85 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,240 mandates were effective and whether or not they actually 86 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,080 achieved the goal they claimed they were achieving? 87 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,680 Yeah. I mean, you know, basically just 88 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,520 look, you know, look at the medical studies, right? 89 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,840 The the same people who are saying, you know, all all of 90 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:15,000 these things, like they're the people who say, oh, you have to 91 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,360 trust science, right. But the people who say you have 92 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,920 to trust science almost never look at it, right? 93 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,440 What? So what they actually mean by 94 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,800 trust science is trust what political activists tell you 95 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,520 about science, right. But what the political activists 96 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,720 tell you is usually bogus. So anyway, so and you know, 97 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,800 generally you want to look at a meta analysis. 98 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:36,280 So there have been many studies. So you want to look at some 99 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:39,080 paper that reviews the studies, right? 100 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,360 Which is what I did for that chapter. 101 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,080 That was the basis of the stuff that I was saying. 102 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,200 So you know, it probably, you know, overall the mask mandates, 103 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,840 they probably either made no difference or actually made 104 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:53,800 things worse. And the reason I say that is 105 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,160 partly because a lot of people were wearing cloth masks, which 106 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,120 are probably harmful. And so it's it's plausible that 107 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,400 that would have actually outweighed the benefit of the 108 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,120 surgical mask, which are relatively better. 109 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,400 What Tom Woods did in his book Diary of a Psychosis is he 110 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,360 compared geographical areas within the Lower 48 and some 111 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,280 Asian countries, areas that had mask mandates, and compare them 112 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,240 to areas that did not have mask mandates. 113 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,840 Is that a scientifically sound way to approach whether or not 114 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,400 these mandates achieve their alleged goal? 115 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,400 Yeah, I mean that. So that's a legitimate kind of 116 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,320 evidence. It's uncertain because it's not, 117 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,720 it's not randomized and and controlled, right. 118 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,360 So, so in other words, like it might be that there are other 119 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,600 differences between the places that had mask mandates and the 120 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,400 ones that didn't besides just the mask mandate. 121 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,360 Like maybe they were more, they were probably more left wing, 122 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,520 which means they might be more urban, which that could make a 123 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:00,720 difference to the spread of the disease. 124 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,640 So you know, but like, if that, you know that if that's all the 125 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,800 evidence you have and that that's what you look at, right? 126 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,560 You never really get perfect evidence. 127 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:16,800 Could we also look at the rise in cases before, during and 128 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:22,080 after the implementation of a mask mandate in order because it 129 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,400 was sold to us? Here's where the the cases of 130 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,760 death and illness are drastically increasing. 131 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,040 What you got to do is you got to get this mandate. 132 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,920 Once you get that in, you'll see a drastic decrease. 133 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,160 Now if you lift the mandate because people want us to, well, 134 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,080 then we're going to see that line go straight back up. 135 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,720 I could not find that in any graph. 136 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:50,320 Tony Fauci was not able to ever present this empirical data in 137 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,760 any long term form. Is that a sound way to approach 138 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,120 this? Yeah, yeah. 139 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,800 So you know, as I, as I call it, there's time series data and 140 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,720 there's cross-sectional data. So yeah, you can look at the 141 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,520 time series and yeah, see if the infection rate went up or down. 142 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,960 And and so I haven't myself actually looked at that, but I 143 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,800 would expect that there's no detectable difference and you 144 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,120 know, partly because they would have told us if there was. 145 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,080 I certainly think that would have made the headlines. 146 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:25,120 Anything about vaccine mandates or mandatory lockdowns that you 147 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,560 think people should be aware of? Yeah, so, you know, like, I 148 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,480 mean, unlike some of the, I don't know, right wing figures, 149 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,840 I'm not an anti vaxxer. Like I think I think vaccines 150 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,400 are helpful. They're usually helpful. 151 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,159 There could be side effects. They probably underplay the side 152 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:42,600 effects and they overplay the effectiveness. 153 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,600 But that doesn't mean that it's not good, right? 154 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,880 It wasn't as good as people were initially saying, but it still 155 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,440 significantly reduces your risk a lot more than the mask does, 156 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,960 by the way. So I think the risk ratio, yeah. 157 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,040 So the risk ratio was like your probability of getting the 158 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,520 disease if you take a certain measure divided by the 159 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,160 probability if you don't take that measure. 160 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,240 OK, So the risk ratio for masks is maybe .95, right? 161 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,960 Like risk ratio of one means it does absolutely nothing. 162 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:11,840 Risk ratio of .95 means it does a little bit. 163 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,320 I think for the vaccine, the risk ratio might be like .3. 164 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,640 So that like that's a lot that that's right. 165 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,080 It's not 100% right, but anyway, but should you, should you 166 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,520 mandate it? Well, I wouldn't mandate it just 167 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,280 because I think people own themselves. 168 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,400 You own your body. It is it is good for you. 169 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,320 But you can like you can risk your life if you want to, 170 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,120 because it's your life. Now there is of course the 171 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,720 problem that, well, you might infect other people, but The 172 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,000 thing is like, well, the other people can also choose whether 173 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,400 to get the vaccine. Like the vaccine mainly protects 174 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,400 the people who take it. So like, if you take the 175 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:58,440 vaccine, you should be mostly protected from the people who 176 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,960 didn't take it. So you you don't, you shouldn't 177 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,720 really be complaining about them, right? 178 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:11,080 So my reasoning for not getting the vaccine was one the 179 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,840 companies did not have any liability. 180 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,680 You couldn't sue them if you got vaccine injured 2. 181 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:21,440 The people promoting the vaccine had horrible reputations with 182 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,840 regard to mask mandates and lockdowns regarding the data 183 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,720 that I mentioned earlier. And three, there was a blatant 184 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,960 disregard for obvious alternatives. 185 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,040 Hey, we're working on a vaccine, but in the meantime, obesity is 186 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,040 killing people with COVID, so we want to embrace low carb diets 187 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,000 and go outside a lot and exercise. 188 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,320 You want to look at alternative treatments? 189 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,000 None of that. It was literally stay inside and 190 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,840 wear a mask until Pfizer tells us they're ready. 191 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:53,480 Was that irrational on my end to not get the vaccine for those 192 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,600 reasons? I don't, I don't know. 193 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,840 I mean, so like, I understand why people don't trust public 194 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,240 health officials, right? Because like, they proved that 195 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,640 they can't be trusted. Like, so, you know, on the mask 196 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,120 thing, like they obviously lied, right? 197 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,160 They said one thing and then like several weeks later they 198 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,840 said the opposite, right? Like, you know, like Anthony 199 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,280 Fauci started by saying there's no reason for people to be going 200 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,080 around with a mask. And then like a couple months 201 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,920 later, he's like, everybody needs to wear these. 202 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,800 OK, So like, which time were you lying? 203 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,720 OK, but anyway, and then and I I think they kind of said, well, 204 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,760 we were lying because we wanted to preserve the masks for the 205 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,120 public, for the healthcare workers. 206 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,280 But like, if you're lying for that reason, then how do I know 207 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,680 you're not lying? You know, the rest, the rest of 208 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:45,760 the time, if you're like, why would I think you only lie about 209 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,400 masks and that you wouldn't lie about vaccines. 210 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:49,960 Why wouldn't you lie about vaccines too? 211 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,600 So anyway, now, but I don't think that they were lying about 212 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,560 the well, they were maybe they were exaggerating about the 213 00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:59,840 vaccines, but they weren't totally lying. 214 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,800 OK, but but you know, like like you were probably at low risk. 215 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,360 Like the people who really needed it were old people and 216 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,600 the old people mostly got it. There weren't a whole lot of 217 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,160 anti vaxxers because like their doctors told them or whatever. 218 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,120 Got it. All right, racism against blacks 219 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,800 is a very big problem in America today. 220 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,320 How can I go about falsifying this concept? 221 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,880 Yeah, I mean, you have to say it's like, you know, it's like 222 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,240 some some of the progressive claims are just so broad that 223 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,880 you can't test it just like that. 224 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:37,200 Like, OK, because like what counts as racism? 225 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,560 That's a little bit subjective. Like people disagree about 226 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:43,200 whether things are racist and like, you know, is this joke 227 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,880 racist or not? Or like, is this word offensive 228 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:47,760 or not? OK. 229 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,880 But you know, like, you can look for specific testable claims 230 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,520 made in this vicinity. So like you could look at, well, 231 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,680 OK, so is it true that there's a racial bias in police use of 232 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:03,680 force? And then, OK, well, you could 233 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:07,400 look at studies of that or So, you know, are police more likely 234 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,160 to shoot you if you're black than if you're white? 235 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,600 And in fact, we have data on that. 236 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,600 And the answer is no. They're more likely to shoot you 237 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,080 if you're white, actually, you know, which if anything, 238 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,200 indicates racism against whites, Although I don't think that's 239 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,240 exactly the explanation. I don't, I don't think it's 240 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,560 really because they're racist. So what? 241 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,440 This was research out of Washington State University that 242 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:36,200 found that in the simulations, your cops are more likely to 243 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,080 shoot a white person than a black person. 244 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,920 What do you think explains that? Yeah. 245 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,160 I mean, what? So you know, just to describe 246 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,480 the study a little bit. So they do these simulations in 247 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,600 which somebody they, they have actors who act out a scenario 248 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,560 that a cop might run into. And then the cop goes into the 249 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:57,440 simulator where the scenario is on the screen in front of them. 250 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,360 And then and he has a gun that shoots infrared light and not 251 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,680 bullets so that they can track where he shot. 252 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:05,360 And then the cop has to decide whether to shoot or not. 253 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:08,760 And sometimes the suspect like pulls out a gun and then 254 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,760 sometimes he pulls out a wallet or something like that. 255 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,840 And then you got, you got to decide what to do. 256 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,800 And, you know, they're doing different things, they're 257 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,720 yelling, whatever. OK. 258 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,000 And so they do a version of a scenario with a black actor, 259 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,280 then a version of the same scenario with a white actor to 260 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,600 see if the cops are more likely to shoot the black guy. 261 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,160 And it turns out that they are more likely to wrongly shoot a 262 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,320 white person. And also they take longer to 263 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,760 shoot the black people, a little bit longer, like .2 seconds 264 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,000 longer. OK. 265 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,560 And if it took longer to shoot the white people, then you know 266 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,480 that people would be saying, oh, that's racism, OK. 267 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,320 But it takes them longer to shoot the black people. 268 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,200 Why? Why is that now? 269 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,760 And I think the best explanation is, well, they know that they're 270 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,080 going to be massively scrutinized in the media and by 271 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,840 political activists if they shoot a black person, but 272 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,320 they're not going to be scrutinized at all if they shoot 273 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:00,920 a white person, right, Almost at all. 274 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,520 So like, if they kill a white person, they'll make the local 275 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,120 news that will not make national news. 276 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,760 Like, you never hear national news stories. 277 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,960 Even though there are more white people being shot by cops, you 278 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,600 never hear national news stories about them. 279 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,320 And so it just makes sense that you you got to be more careful 280 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,360 about the about the black suspects. 281 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:23,640 Yeah, but we even have a case on camera of, well, Daniel Schaefer 282 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:28,440 was one along with Dylan Noble. But Ashley Babbitt was literally 283 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,960 shot in the head by a black officer and there was not even a 284 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,600 trial. There was like an ABC interview 285 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,280 where he said he's so proud that he defended Congress on January 286 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,440 6th even though she was unarmed. There was never even a 287 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,840 discussion. Well it it the white supremacist 288 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,160 society, black person kills an unarmed white person, you'd 289 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,720 think he'd get like 1000 years in jail for this. 290 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,600 Nope, not not, not, not even a trial. 291 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,440 Yeah, I mean, you know, as as you're perhaps suggesting if the 292 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,120 racist had been reversed, it was a white person and a black, you 293 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,400 know, black suspect and a white cop then. 294 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,440 But, well, if it had been at some of that other than a Trump, 295 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,520 if the victim wasn't a Trump supporter and they were black, 296 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,640 then, you know, there would be all kinds of media attention. 297 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:21,200 So I love Part 1 of this book. You go through myths about 298 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,000 individuals. Why is it that the corporate 299 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,120 press will focus on stories about individuals as opposed to 300 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,680 statistics? We're a country of 330 million 301 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,440 people, and they want us to focus on Jacob Blake or Trayvon 302 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,320 Martin or Amy Cooper. Why do they focus on anecdotes 303 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,600 instead of statistics? Yeah, I mean, they're, well, 304 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,120 basically 2 reasons. One is entertainment value. 305 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,680 So vivid story about one person is a lot more entertaining than 306 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,880 a bunch of statistics. You know, You know, Stalin's 307 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,280 famous, possibly apocryphal quote, a single death is a 308 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,480 tragedy. 1,000,000 deaths is a statistic. 309 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,119 So anyway, and the the news media is not in the business of 310 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,240 keeping people informed. They're not in the business of 311 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,960 making sure democracy works, blah blah, blah. 312 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,839 None of that. They're in the entertainment 313 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:13,680 business, that is, they're in the they're in the business of 314 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,160 capturing people's attention so that they can sell it to 315 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,880 advertisers. So what they want to put is the 316 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,240 thing that captures most attention. 317 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,480 OK. And then the other possible 318 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,720 reason is if you are like, politically motivated, it's a 319 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,920 lot easier to sell a narrative if you can pick anecdotes. 320 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,640 Because in a country full of 300 million people, there's always 321 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,440 going to be some stories that support the narrative you want 322 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,320 to tell, but the statistics will not necessarily support that, 323 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,960 right? So like, if you want to portray 324 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,680 that there's all these racist cops murdering black people just 325 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,000 for being black, you can tell that story by giving anecdotes 326 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,680 because there's always going to be some black people being 327 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,080 killed by white cops. But if you give the actual 328 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,200 statistics, and it's not going to support that, right? 329 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:03,000 Because it's not true. Did you find any disparities in 330 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,240 the genders that are killed by police or the age of people who 331 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,920 are killed by police? I'm not sure. 332 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,680 I'm not sure about the age distribution. 333 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,800 I would bet that it's a bunch of young people. 334 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,920 I bet, I bet there's not a bunch of 80 year olds getting shot. 335 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,160 But OK. But I did look up the statistics 336 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,400 on, on the sex of shooting victims and it's shocking. 337 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,920 You're going to be amazed by the amount of sexism in American 338 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,600 police. OK, because like, they're men 339 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,560 are only 50% of the population, but there are 95.5% of the of 340 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,440 the police shooting victims, meaning that the cops are 21 341 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,600 times more likely to kill you if you're a man than if you're a 342 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,400 woman. So obviously the cops are 343 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,360 incredibly sexist. What is an alternative 344 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:52,880 explanation? If I don't buy that I don't 345 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,480 believe massive disparities are in it of itself proof of 346 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,320 discrimination. What is an alternative thesis as 347 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,160 to why we see such a disparity in male and female police 348 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,880 shootings? I guess it could be that there's 349 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:12,280 more violent behavior by male suspects is that could be, I 350 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,760 guess it could have something to do with the fact that 88% of 351 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:21,760 murders are committed by men. And and so that could be like an 352 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,880 indicator of more violent behavior by men than women. 353 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,200 And almost all cop killers are men, right? 354 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,080 If you want to sort of like focus on the threat that they 355 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,280 pose to police specifically, which could explain why the 356 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,040 police are shooting them. Like, you know, in one year that 357 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,960 I looked at, I think there were like 60 cop killers. 358 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,560 By the way, there's not a lot of cop killing going on. 359 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,920 OK. So that, you know, the cops 360 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,280 might be more afraid than they need to be. 361 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,680 But anyway, there's something like 60 male cop killers and 362 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:55,680 there was one woman who assisted her husband in killing a cop. 363 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,640 It wasn't even her idea. It was the husband's idea. 364 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:03,560 OK, so all right. So anyway, that could be why the 365 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,800 cops are more likely to kill a man than women. 366 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,200 And you're like, if, if you want I, I guess we could try applying 367 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,880 similar logic to racial differences like OK, so. 368 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,160 Black people are 13% of the population, but they're around 369 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,640 25% during according to the year of the police shooting victims 370 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:31,880 or the police homicide victims. OK, but they're 40% of the 371 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,760 murderers and something like 43% of the cop killers. 372 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,200 So actually the rate at which the police are killing black 373 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,680 people is disproportionately low compared to the rate at which 374 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,800 black people kill cops, right? That is so like, it appears that 375 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,640 the threat that black people pose is sort of greater. 376 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,600 It's like out of proportion to the rate at which the police are 377 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,680 killing them. The reason that I mentioned the 378 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:06,360 male disparity first is because the explanation as to why men, 379 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,760 young men in particular, are more likely to get killed by 380 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,560 police's higher testosterone levels lead to less impulse 381 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,760 control. Men tend to be more violent. 382 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,480 And I have no intention of vilifying men as a group, but 383 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,520 it's an important explanation for us to have. 384 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,000 So we're not raising little boys and telling them you're 385 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,520 oppressed because of your gender. 386 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,840 There's nothing you can do about it short of electing 387 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,800 politicians. It's good to know. 388 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,480 I think the same thing for blacks. 389 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,520 I was shocked to read the disparity when it came to 390 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,160 violence between the races on this. 391 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,760 On page 32 you said majority of homicides are interracial, that 392 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,400 is people killing other members of their own race. 393 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,480 Homicides committed by blacks against whites are more than 394 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,160 twice as common as homicides by whites against blacks in the 395 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,040 USA. Randomly chosen black person is 396 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,560 thus 13 times more likely to kill a white person than a 397 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,160 random white person is to kill a black person. 398 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:11,000 So if the Michael Humors of the world do not explain this 399 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,560 through a proper context, only the National Socialists will 400 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,840 have this statistic and they will get positive attention for 401 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:18,760 it. I don't want that. 402 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,120 I want people like you, people like Brian Kaplan talking about 403 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:24,880 this. How can someone look at that and 404 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,960 not be completely enraged and turn into more or less a white 405 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,400 nationalist and say I thought I was the oppressor this whole 406 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,520 time? Please walk us through a proper 407 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,320 way to productively analyze such a reality. 408 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,200 Yeah, the, the white, the white supremacists are going to be 409 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,080 disappointed that they don't get to be the oppressors. 410 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,840 They're probably disappointed that there aren't more white 411 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,040 murders of black people now. Well, I mean, you know, it's 412 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:52,000 worth keeping in mind that the overwhelming majority of people 413 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,560 are law abiding. There are very few murderers, no 414 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,520 matter what your race or your sex is, Right. 415 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,840 So when I say 88% of murderers are men, it's not an attack on 416 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,640 men. There are very few men who 417 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,840 commit murder. But among the tiny number of 418 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,080 people in our country who are murderers, you know, the vast 419 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,240 majority are men, OK? So also the vast majority of 420 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,600 black people are not criminals, and they're not going to do 421 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,600 anything to you, so, you know, relax. 422 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,800 However, among the criminals, there's a disproportionate 423 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,640 number who are black, right? Something like 40%. 424 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,320 OK. But you know, that, like, that 425 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,080 doesn't mean that you should be suspicious of or like, you know, 426 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:33,760 punished or whatever, just ordinary black people, right? 427 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:38,520 You know. So Thomas Sowell basically says 428 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:43,560 this is as a causal result of he actually kind of does say that 429 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,080 it's from slavery because blacks were kidnapped and heavily 430 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:53,440 concentrated in the South where they embraced the culture around 431 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,520 them, which was the redneck culture of low impulse control, 432 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,840 being quick to violence whenever someone insults you, low caring, 433 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,680 very low amounts of caring for schooling and education and lack 434 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,640 of economic initiative. Do you think it's a cultural 435 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,440 reason that there's this disparity, or do you believe 436 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,120 it's biological? Yes, Sir. 437 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:21,160 I don't know what the cause is except that I don't think it's 438 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,520 racism. Like the only, the only 439 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,920 explanation that the left wants is, oh, it must be due to 440 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,000 racism. Oh, if black people are 441 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,040 committing more crimes, it must be because of white racism. 442 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,440 Like, you know, when black people do something, if it's 443 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,160 good, then they get credit for it. 444 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,280 But if it's bad, then we have to blame the white people for it. 445 00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:40,960 But, you know, then does that mean, you know, why can't the 446 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,960 white people blame somebody else for the things that we're doing? 447 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,120 But anyway, you know, it's like only white people have agency 448 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,440 anyway. Like, yeah, what? 449 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,000 What does it cost? So, you know, there's that. 450 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,640 There's the thing that you you said that Thomas Owell said, 451 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,680 right. Some people actually think that 452 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,920 government policy has contributed to the problem, 453 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,320 right? And that that's because so it 454 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:05,880 used to be that to get welfare, you kind of, so you're a mother 455 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,120 with kids. To qualify for welfare payments, 456 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:10,880 you have to be below a certain income. 457 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,360 And if there's a man in the household, then they would count 458 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,880 his income. And so you have to kick the man 459 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,120 out of the household to get to get welfare payments. 460 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:23,440 So then there are more single parent households. 461 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,440 It used to be that in the African American community, they 462 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,160 had higher rates of marriage, but now they have drastically 463 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,960 lower and drastically higher rates of out of wedlock 464 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,600 pregnancy. So in it, and you're like, I'm 465 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,320 not a sociologist, so I don't know exactly why it was, but it 466 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,840 could be partly because of government policy, because 467 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,840 because of left wing people trying to help them, right? 468 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,720 That's just like, you know, you know, when, when somebody says 469 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,920 I'm from the government, I'm here to help, you know, and you 470 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,200 should run. Absolutely. 471 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,640 Well, that's also what Seoul says. 472 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,200 He says black incomes were increasing at a faster rate in 473 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,320 the 20s, thirties, 40s and 50s along with their them getting 474 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,080 into a high paying positions faster than after the Civil 475 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,160 Rights Act. So I I completely agree with 476 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,400 that. What explains the Asian white 477 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,640 income gap? You know, I don't know that 478 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,280 either. I didn't exactly research it. 479 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,880 There are higher Iqs among Asians. 480 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,960 I think it's something like seven or eight points higher on 481 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,440 average. So, you know, 108 IQ instead of 482 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,760 100 IQ. Also, there's a culture of 483 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:42,160 appreciation for scholarship, appreciation for education. 484 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,680 And like you're, if, if you're in the Asian community and 485 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,280 you're like not studying and you're not, not going to school, 486 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,040 then you're considered bad and you will, you will be 487 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,240 disrespected for that. You'll get lower respect and 488 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,280 lower status. And if you're doing well in 489 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,320 school, you'll get higher status. 490 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,280 And so then you succeed, right? And it's kind of the opposite in 491 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,840 the black community, or so I've read like I haven't, you know, I 492 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,120 haven't been in that community, but so I've heard there's a lot 493 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:13,000 lower value placed on education. Well, I mean, you're not going 494 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:18,400 to succeed in this society like in a modern advanced society if 495 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:26,280 you don't value knowledge. Chapter 11 is titled The Myth of 496 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,760 the Gender Wage Gap. What is the gender wage gap 497 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,560 myth? Well, so it's said that women 498 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,120 get paid a lot less than men do for the same work. 499 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,720 And you hear different statistics quoted. 500 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,600 That used to be the, the original statistic was that 501 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,240 women got paid $0.59 for every dollar that men earn, Right. 502 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,640 And then it went out from there. So, you know, then you hear 503 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,240 $0.70 and then $0.77 and then finally it got up to 82 cents, 504 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:58,640 $0.82 for every dollar. And it's occasionally said and 505 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,920 more often just assumed by the audience that that means for the 506 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,760 same work. But it just turns out, actually, 507 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,320 no, it doesn't mean for the same work. 508 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,400 It actually means for different work. 509 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,480 What the statistic actually represents is that men tend to 510 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,320 take higher paying jobs or, you know, within a given job, they 511 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,160 tend to do the stuff that you need to do to get paid more. 512 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:27,160 OK, like work longer hours, work on weekends, you know, more 513 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,320 seniority. So like work more years in the 514 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,320 same company or in the same industry, might get more 515 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,160 training. Just all the stuff that you have 516 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,680 to do and like, and yet like, you have to make sacrifices, 517 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,960 right? So you have to do stuff that you 518 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,600 don't really want to do. We're like, the company wants 519 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,920 you to move to another city and men are more likely to do it. 520 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,440 So they get more money, right? They would do it for the money. 521 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,280 So OK. And so like that's, that's what 522 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,680 the gap actually represents. So how can we explain the 523 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,360 straight white male wage gap? Some straight white males get a 524 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,640 lot of money and some straight white males are homeless. 525 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,960 What explains the difference between people who get high 526 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,520 wages and people who get low wages when they're the same 527 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,520 race, same sexuality? I mean, most of the difference 528 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,200 in your earnings is probably due to what you're doing to make 529 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,840 money or not doing. Like in other words, it's due to 530 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,520 your choices. Well, if you decide to go into a 531 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,800 high paying profession, then you're going to get more money 532 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,280 right now. OK, Now you can't always 533 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,960 necessarily decide to go into the profession that you want. 534 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,160 OK, but you can try. And then if you decide to not 535 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,520 not work or not even try to work, then you're not going to 536 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,160 get any money. Like why are why are some people 537 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,600 homeless? I don't know, because they don't 538 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,040 want to work. That's probably OK. 539 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,280 Some of them are homeless because they're they have 540 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,680 schizophrenia or something like that. 541 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,920 But a bunch of them are people who could totally work, but they 542 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,800 don't want to. Brian Kaplan would tell us it's 543 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,720 because of housing regulation, and I think he makes a very good 544 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,080 case in his book Build Baby, Build OK, Even the same work. 545 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,080 I don't even want to concede that the same work should yield 546 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,480 the same monetary compensation. If Mila Kunis and I start an 547 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,080 Only Fans account, she has her own and I have my own. 548 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,280 We both put five hours of content every day. 549 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,600 I suspect there would be a very big gap if Chris Rock and I both 550 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,720 did one hour on stage. I'm assuming me because I'm the 551 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,120 male and men just get paid more. If Chris Rock and I both stand 552 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,360 on stage and talk for one hour, I am guessing there would be a 553 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,760 huge disparity in favor of me again because I'm white and he's 554 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,960 black. I don't even concede that the 555 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,400 same work creates the same value, so the same work should 556 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,120 never assume that we get the same result. 557 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,000 Is that even? Yeah, of course it depends on 558 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,200 what you mean by the same work. Right, exactly. 559 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,400 So yeah, if you mean the same number of hours, no, no, like 560 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,400 working for the same. Number, but they always mean the 561 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,600 same number of hours when they're doing. 562 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,360 It Yeah, I mean, you know, presumably you got to control 563 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,880 for the profession, right, But, you know, there are various 564 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,840 other things that affect how much you get paid, right. 565 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,760 And like, well, like, what if I'm just a better worker, OK. 566 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,040 Like you and I, you know, we're both, we're both writing 567 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,280 libertarian essays, you know, but my essays are just better 568 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,320 than yes, I'm going to get, I'm going to get name 1 you. 569 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,320 You got that PhD next to your name. 570 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,480 I I I need a fraudulent certificate, just like I had 571 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,920 with that vaccine passport. Yeah, one of you. 572 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,640 Do some diploma mills. Yes, if you could get me an 573 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,920 honorary doctorate, I'd, I'd appreciate it. 574 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,320 All right, in speaking to progressives, I will commonly 575 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:57,120 say the government already spends $6.27 trillion a year, 576 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,360 and you think taxes should be increased. 577 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,040 You want more taxes. You already say the government's 578 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,680 corrupt. How do you square the circle? 579 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,600 And they say, well, here's what we need to do. 580 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,920 We need to mobilize and inform voters on a very large scale. 581 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,360 On page 165, you are quite skeptical about the our 582 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,160 capabilities to mobilize and inform voters to a significant 583 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,320 degree. Why is this? 584 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,320 Well, I mean, you can't really inform people if they don't want 585 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,080 to be informed. And majority of people. 586 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,120 So like it requires time, significant time to be 587 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,160 knowledgeable about political issues. 588 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,440 And it also requires effort. And like, one thing you have to 589 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,640 do is try to overcome your prejudices, which isn't that 590 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,400 much fun. So, you know, like, I don't 591 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,760 know, there could be a politician that you like and 592 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,800 then there could be evidence that he did bad things. 593 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,680 And then like, if you're trying to know the truth and you have 594 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,640 to experience this, you know, negative of this negative 595 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,080 experience of trying to accept that the guy you like did bad 596 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,120 things or vice versa, the guy you hate might have done 597 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:06,880 something good. OK. 598 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,880 So, you know, it's just it's not fun and it's time consuming and 599 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,840 there's no incentive to do it. Why would voters do it? 600 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,440 Because, like, every voter knows that their vote is not going to 601 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,240 make a difference. And, you know, every, every time 602 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,840 I say that, like, some people freak out, like every vote 603 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,960 matters. OK. 604 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,800 But what I mean is like, estimate the probability that 605 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,200 your vote is going to change the outcome of the election, right? 606 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,560 Like the election would have gone this way if you hadn't 607 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,040 voted, but because you voted, it'll go this other way. 608 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,760 What's the probability of that happening? 609 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,520 One in a million, one in 10 million, you know, something 610 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,080 like that, OK. And everybody fucking knows 611 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,840 that, including the people who say every vote matters. 612 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,560 They know it, right? So that's, that's why I like 613 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,320 half the people don't even bother to go, OK, so but you 614 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,560 know, even the people who go like they're not going to, 615 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,600 you're not going to spend 10 hours trying to learn about all 616 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,760 the issues. And that's not even enough time 617 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,120 to learn about all the issues, right? 618 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,480 If you wanted to actually learn about them it would be a full 619 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,560 time job but like people are not even going to spend like a few 620 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,840 hours for A1 in 10 million chance of making any difference. 621 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,320 I've spent 30 hours on the Cuban Missile Crisis alone for the 622 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,159 upcoming book. I don't know how long 623 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,800 agricultural subsidies would take me, how long healthcare and 624 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:35,000 education and minimum wage. So one of the narratives that 625 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,239 progressives have is under capitalism, doggy dog 626 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,360 competition, everyone seeking profit, the poorer get poorer 627 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,679 and the rich get richer. Is this true? 628 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,400 And how can I go about finding whether or not it's true? 629 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,480 How can we measure it? Yeah. 630 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,719 So no, I mean, the poor get richer and the rich get richer. 631 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,080 Now recently, in the last, I don't know, a couple decades, 632 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,560 the inequality has been increasing, which is, you know, 633 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,960 freaking out the leftist. OK. 634 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,200 But nevertheless, like, man, you know, you want to go back and 635 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,600 live in 1950, you know, like, no, nobody wants that. 636 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,640 Just like, you know, everybody is much better off. 637 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,800 And OK, so, you know, how could we check that? 638 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,920 I don't know, like, we could look up statistics on income 639 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,880 from 50 years ago. OK. 640 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,280 And by the way, like when, you know, when people do this, like 641 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,720 frequently people do this at a time when like, maybe we're in a 642 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:30,080 recession and then they'll look at two years ago before the 643 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,600 recession started and they'll say, see, everything's going 644 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,680 downhill, OK. But so to avoid that because 645 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,320 there are random fluctuations in the economy. 646 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,400 So to avoid that, look a long time ago, OK? 647 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,400 So look, 50 years ago, we're vastly better off, right? 648 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,560 And by the way, like the statistics don't even fully 649 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,560 capture how much better off we are, right? 650 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,040 Like, you're going to get that we have higher monetary income. 651 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,360 But like when they do the inflation statistics, they don't 652 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,880 necessarily count increases in quality, right? 653 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,560 So like they'll they'll get, oh, so you can buy more bread, but 654 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,200 they won't count. Like in addition to the fact 655 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,800 that you can buy more bread with your paycheck, the bread is 656 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,280 better than it used to be and that, you know, most products 657 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,680 are better than they used to be. So. 658 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,080 So we can look at the quality of products because it's common for 659 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,000 progressives to say, adjusted for inflation, the middle class 660 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,280 has seen no increase in their income. 661 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,200 The middle class hasn't gotten a raise since Ronald Reagan is a 662 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,280 common claim that they make. So how can I measure whether or 663 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,320 not I am wealthier than my dad was when he was 28? 664 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,600 Yeah, I mean, I guess you could look at, you know, since since 665 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,600 it's your dad, you can just ask him about, like, what stuff he 666 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,280 had. Hey, Dad, did you have a 667 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,320 microwave? Bet he didn't you. 668 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,120 Didn't have this computer I'm looking at. 669 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,920 Yeah, it didn't even have any computer at all, not even a 670 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:04,480 crappy one, but OK. Yeah, OK, fine. 671 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,760 You know, did you have a car? Was it a good car? 672 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,360 Like all the cars were worse than. 673 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,520 But you know the number? I bet the number of people who 674 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,960 had cars at all was less. I bet. 675 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,640 I haven't looked that up but. Just one of the things I like to 676 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,520 do was look at the time price, so the number of hours you have 677 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:27,160 to work in order to access a phone, a microphone, you know, a 678 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,080 pound of chicken, a book. Do you think time price is a 679 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,680 good way to measure a, a better way than like GDP to measure 680 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,760 actual economic growth? Because we're not even talking 681 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,760 on the same terms as progressive so often. 682 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,080 Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's pretty good where 683 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,240 I like, how many hours of Labor do you have to do to get and 684 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,320 then, you know, some product that they had that everybody 685 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,640 would want. How many hours of Labor did you 686 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,080 need to buy a loaf of bread? You could look at that from 50 687 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,320 years ago versus today. I mean, it's going to be less. 688 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,720 I don't know what the numbers are, but now you know that 689 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,720 again, that doesn't necessarily count increases in quality, 690 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,960 quality of the product and may not count increases in sort of 691 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,560 quality of the job, right, Because you're the jobs might 692 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,480 have gotten less unpleasant like I'm I'm pretty sure they've 693 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,600 gotten less unpleasant. Yeah, but men still have 90% of 694 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,760 the workplace death, so they must not be pleasant at all. 695 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,480 I'm kidding, of course, on the inequality plans. 696 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,760 That's a good thing to mention there that, you know, 'cause 697 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,760 when you know, when the people are talking about, oh, men have 698 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,360 all the high men dominate the high paying jobs. 699 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,960 Yeah, they also dominate the worst jobs, like if you, if you 700 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,360 look up, you know, like a listing of what are the worst 701 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,080 jobs in America. And like almost all of them are 702 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,880 male dominated, usually massively male dominated, like 703 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,640 like being a lumberjack, which has the highest chance of 704 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,880 killing you, like the highest rate of workplace fatalities, 705 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,840 Like it's almost all men, you know? 706 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,920 Not to mention all the conscripts in Russia and 707 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,160 Ukraine. I cannot find any female 708 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,480 conscripts. There are female volunteers but 709 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,320 I can't find any female conscripts. 710 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:18,200 On the topic of inequality, I don't know why they throw so 711 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,880 many stones living in the glassy houses they live in. 712 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,560 I don't see equality between any progressive country or the 713 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,720 citizenry in general. Whether it's Hugo Chavez not 714 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:34,720 being equal to anyone else in Venezuela, whether it's Kim Jong 715 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:40,080 Un is not equal to anyone. Even AOC is far is very, very 716 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,880 unequal to her average supporter. 717 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,840 What is it about inequality that the left gets wrong? 718 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,600 Yeah. Yeah. 719 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,400 I mean, you know, yeah, you hear a lot of people complaining 720 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,040 about inequality, but nobody, maybe I can't say that I was 721 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,040 going to say nobody actually wants to have equality, but 722 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,280 maybe there are some people who are that crazy anyway, just 723 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,400 like, let's say no serious person thinks that we should 724 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,640 actually have equality, OK? But you know, the left wing, the 725 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,000 smart left wing people are complaining that, yeah, OK, we 726 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,400 have to have some inequality, but we got too much, OK? 727 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,040 And you know, the reason why we need to have some inequality as 728 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,080 well. Look, if everybody's equal and I 729 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,760 guess we're talking about wealth, OK? 730 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,640 Or income. So if you get the same income, 731 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,920 well, if everyone has the same income, that means that I will 732 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,760 get the same income no matter what I do. 733 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,760 So then why would I do anything difficult or like, why would I 734 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,520 make the effort to be more productive? 735 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,880 I hope because you're an altruist who serves the good of 736 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,000 society. Great. 737 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,720 You know, build your society on that assumption. 738 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,200 Let's see how that works out. Oh, no, we tried that. 739 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,320 It was it was a disaster. I've retried that many times and 740 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,760 then the economy collapse. Oh, it turns out that people 741 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,000 don't like to work for nothing. And, and it really is working 742 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,160 for nothing, right? Because like, if, if we really 743 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,560 have equality, that means I, I get the same amount of money 744 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,040 even if I don't work. And because right, there are 745 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,960 people who don't work, they've got to have the same amount as 746 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,720 the people who do work. So then I'm just going to sit 747 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,160 around. I get it. 748 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,840 It's like it every second a progressive watches Netflix, 749 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,040 YouTube, or relaxes and is not building homes for homeless 750 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,800 people, they're just proving that. 751 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,440 They're just proving the point that they prefer leisure to 752 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,480 helping others at no monetary benefit to themselves. 753 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,920 Could this position that people don't want to work without 754 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,240 monetary compensation, could that be refuted by large amounts 755 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:47,280 of volunteer work that is found? Cause Wikipedia is free to 756 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,440 access and that takes a lot of work. 757 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,880 Libertarian institute.org is free to access and we put a hell 758 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,960 of a lot of effort into libertarianinstitute.org. 759 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,000 There's a lot of volunteer firefighters. 760 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,840 Do any of these refute this idea? 761 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:08,800 Well, you know, it depends on how you interpret the idea, 762 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,600 right? Like, yeah, some people will, 763 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,120 people will do some, some people will do some kinds of work for 764 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,120 free, right? But you will not get enough 765 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,080 people doing all of the kinds of work that we need, right? 766 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,760 So like is, are people going to volunteer to clean out toilets 767 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,680 and like, and you know, not for like a homeless shelter, but 768 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,040 like volunteer to clean out toilets. 769 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,360 Like in this building doesn't look like I'm in a building. 770 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,640 But anyway, you know, like whatever, whatever building 771 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,200 you're in, just like some random building, somebody just going to 772 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,680 come in off the street and volunteer to, well, they need to 773 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,240 be clean. So how's that going to happen? 774 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,760 Just like, OK, there are some things that people would 775 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,440 volunteer for because it's rewarding. 776 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,920 It's like they feel like it's spiritually meaningful or 777 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,040 something like that. Or like they're, they're 778 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,200 committed to A cause. Like, you know, like maybe the 779 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,520 Libertarian Institute might have volunteers because they believe 780 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,400 in the cause, but not every job is tied to an ideology. 781 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,120 And like, we can't, we can't have an ideology based economy. 782 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,240 So how are we going to get people to do the other jobs, 783 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,600 right? Or, you know, like, oh, maybe 784 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,600 people feel sorry for the homeless, so they'll volunteer 785 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,360 to work at the homeless shelter. OK, fine. 786 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:19,960 But like, what about all the other jobs? 787 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,120 Because you can't have an economy where it's just people 788 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,720 working in homeless shelters and think tanks. 789 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,040 I want to talk about the experts. 790 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,920 Have you ever talked to an economics expert that says it 791 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,560 doesn't matter if the price of something increases, it will 792 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,880 continue to be consumed at its regular rate? 793 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,840 No. Well. 794 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,120 Then how can progressives advocate the minimum wage with a 795 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,640 straight face? Raise the cost of employment and 796 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,120 there's not going to be downsides for people with no 797 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,360 skills and no experience. Yeah, yeah. 798 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,840 So you're like, well, should I attempt to steal? 799 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,560 Man it like like what would this what would the smartest 800 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,120 progressive say? Well, you know, OK, like 801 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,760 pretend, pretend I'm a smart progressive. 802 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,080 I'd be like, OK, no, you can't raise it too much. 803 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,840 I just like, but we if we raise it a little bit, you know, like 804 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,480 they're people are being paid underpaid a little bit. 805 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,600 If we raise it a little bit, then they'll get paid more if we 806 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,920 raise it too much and they'll get laid off. 807 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,280 OK, There's a theory so that like there was a economic like 808 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:30,520 famous economics paper, maybe this is Card and Kruger, which 809 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,520 which said that, you know, like they oh, they they looked at a 810 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,240 particular case in which somebody raised the minimum wage 811 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,080 and it looked like there wasn't unemployment. 812 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,280 And then the way it just went up. 813 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,280 OK. And then and they have a theory 814 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,480 as to how this happened. And the theory was that 815 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:49,880 consumers believed that the workers in this whatever in some 816 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,720 industry were being underpaid. And then after the minimum wage 817 00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:57,680 was raised, maybe that caused consumers to think of the 818 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,600 workers are not being underpaid and that made the consumers want 819 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,840 the product more. OK. 820 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,240 So that is like a theory that's consistent with, you know, 821 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:09,680 standard economics about how that could work. 822 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,600 It's not going to always work. And you know it's not going to 823 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,120 work no matter how high the wage goes, obviously. 824 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:26,120 Assume my position is crime. Poverty causes crime. 825 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,040 How could I go about falsifying that? 826 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,560 Yeah, I mean, well, you know, it looks like we could look at 827 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,400 statistics. I mean, you know, you need a 828 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,440 social scientist to do a study, right? 829 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,480 Like, look at when poverty goes up, does the crime go up? 830 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,840 Poverty goes down, does the crime go down? 831 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,040 You can also look at what, like, who's committing the crimes? 832 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,040 Are the people committing the crimes mostly poor people? 833 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,040 Well, kind of, yes, they are, right. 834 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,360 You could do, maybe you could do an intervention, like give a 835 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,560 bunch of poor people some money and then see if they stop 836 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,480 committing crimes. OK, so now and I think, you 837 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,000 know, it's going to turn out, and I just say this because this 838 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,960 appears to be widely accepted, that, yeah, there is some link 839 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,120 between poverty and crime. Some of the crime is caused by 840 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,440 poverty. It's not all caused by poverty. 841 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,280 There's also kind of like a philosophical issue, like you 842 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,440 might say, well, I don't know, like people have free will. 843 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:20,000 So like, it's not, yes, poverty, like, you know, if there's more 844 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,720 poverty, there's going to be more crime. 845 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:25,160 And there's a causal link there. But you know, if you're a 846 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,920 criminal, you can't blame your poverty. 847 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,760 Like, you know, it was your choice to commit the crime, so 848 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,720 it's your fault, right? It's just sort of like, I don't 849 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,280 know, from the standpoint of blame, I don't think that gets 850 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,200 you off the hook. Is it even true? 851 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,560 Considering all the mass murder campaigns that very wealthy 852 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,680 government officials are provoking and engaging in, 853 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,000 couldn't it be? I mean, Dick Cheney is far from 854 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,440 poverty, as is Rumsfeld, as is Bush Junior, and they engaged in 855 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,240 quite a bit of criminality. So isn't it more of a character 856 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,360 issue than a we just need to funnel more money at these poor 857 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,680 people and then they'll stop being violent? 858 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,400 Yeah, Yeah, good point. Right. 859 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,960 I mean, so, you know, like I was assuming we were talking about 860 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,320 crime by citizens, not crime by the government. 861 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,240 But yeah, yeah, I know. Of course the government is, you 862 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,160 know, they kill a bunch of people or whatever, they steal a 863 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,960 bunch of money. And that's not caused by crime. 864 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,800 That's caused by power. They have, they have the power 865 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,760 to do it. So they're going to do it, you 866 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,040 know, like, Oh yeah. And so, you know, your, your 867 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,280 other suggestion, no, maybe it's caused by poor character. 868 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,560 Well, yes, but so, you know, like there's a, there's a 869 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,920 significant portion of criminals and it's, it's like around 1/4 870 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,800 of people in the prisons who are actually literally psychopaths, 871 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,120 right. The psychopaths are something 872 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,920 like 1 to 3% of the population, but 1/4 of the people in prison. 873 00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:03,800 And so what's wrong with them is not that they're poor and it's 874 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,040 not that they were oppressed and they're lashing out because of 875 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,560 the oppression. What's wrong with them is that 876 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,400 like they're psychopaths, like they're incapable of empathy, 877 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,160 which means they never learn morality. 878 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:21,000 They literally do not understand what terms like right and wrong 879 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,720 mean. When they hear other people 880 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:26,800 saying that they have no idea what they're talking about, but 881 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,600 they don't admit that. They won't admit that. 882 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,680 So they'll try to use the words because they know that other 883 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,000 people are using them. OK. 884 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,040 So couldn't the best approach to just be have as much of A free 885 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,200 market as possible because that makes it so evil? 886 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,440 People can't get a penny out of my pocket unless they create 887 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,600 value and I voluntarily give it to them. 888 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,320 Wouldn't strong property rights be the best hurdle to 889 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,560 psychopathy? Yeah, so, you know, and just 890 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,880 about human selfishness in general, because like, all of us 891 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,160 are mostly selfish, right? The psychopaths are more selfish 892 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,840 than most of us, but most of us are pretty selfish anyway. 893 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,360 So. So like a good, well, how do we 894 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,440 stop people from taking advantage of each other? 895 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,160 Well, yeah. Like a good thing is like, a 896 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,640 transaction only happens if both people agree to it. 897 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,000 And then because both people are selfish, that means that usually 898 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,560 a transaction doesn't occur unless it benefits both people. 899 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,440 That's what we want right now. You know, that's not perfect 900 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,200 because, like, well, they're just going to be some people 901 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,640 breaking the rules anyway. So like, we do need enforcers, 902 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,000 right? We do need somebody going around 903 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,840 like looking for the people who are breaking the rules and doing 904 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:40,400 something to them. There was a meme that got quite 905 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,480 a bit of circulation on Twitter. It is a man for the audio 906 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,280 audience. This guy is sitting around 907 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:53,600 looking in at a laptop and he says to his wife, walking away 908 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,160 reluctantly. Married to this scumbag. 909 00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,720 Honey, come look, I found some information all the world's top 910 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:06,440 scientists and doctors missed. Can you walk us through what, if 911 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,520 anything, is either wrong with the logic this is trying to 912 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:15,560 convey, or how it is that so many experts can be wrong, yet 913 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,920 the truth can be available to the masses through things like 914 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,880 the Internet? Yeah, yeah. 915 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,160 Go. Well, I mean, so first, like, 916 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,680 OK, yeah, it's really unlikely that you found some information 917 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,680 that all the world's top scientists and doctors missed, 918 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,720 you know, about something that's in their area, obviously. 919 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,880 So, so, you know, just as a side point, like academics, usually 920 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:40,160 they have like, a lot of knowledge about a super narrow 921 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,400 area, the thing that they work on, and they tend to know almost 922 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,360 nothing about the rest of the world like the rest of us, like 923 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,720 how the rest of us know almost nothing about most of the world. 924 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,440 But anyway, OK. Like, yeah. 925 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,400 So it's unlikely you found something that they all missed. 926 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,560 Like, so if you think that, you know, you've reviewed the theory 927 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,120 of evolution and, like, all these biologists didn't notice 928 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,920 these amazing arguments that you came up with, you're probably 929 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,120 wrong. They probably know that. 930 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:13,360 Now, is it possible? Is it possible for, like, the 931 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,600 consensus of the experts to be wrong? 932 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,200 Well, yes, that has happened. That has happened many times in 933 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,840 the history of science. Like, you can even like, even 934 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,080 mainstream scientists now will tell you that that happened. 935 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,240 Like, they know about times that that happened when most of the 936 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:31,560 scientists were wrong. OK, now you know, how could that 937 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,720 happen? And so look, one thing is 938 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:41,040 sometimes people are lying, OK? So like, if, like if all the 939 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,200 experts are telling you, hey, you need to wear masks, like, 940 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,760 like actually happened. It wasn't that all the 941 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,440 scientists were wrong. It was that a bunch of public 942 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:55,000 health officials were lying. Like they it wasn't that they 943 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,680 didn't know about the studies. It was that they were lying 944 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,920 because it was partly for political reasons. 945 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,200 OK. So like if well, like if there's 946 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,720 a particular claim that supports a particular political viewpoint 947 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,440 and like most academics support that viewpoint, which you know, 948 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,480 which would mean it's a left wing viewpoint, then you can get 949 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,880 a bunch of people saying that thing, right. 950 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:19,960 OK. And then another thing that 951 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,000 happens is, well, like you really need to have you need to 952 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,120 have the right kind of culture in the particular discipline. 953 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,200 OK. So I think, and this is not 954 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,880 scientists, but I think like in most of the humanities, and I 955 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,280 would not say philosophy, but in like literary theory or 956 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,640 something or ethnic studies or something like that, they don't 957 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,760 have a culture of truth seeking. They have a culture of 958 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,560 supporting ideology. And so you can get a whole bunch 959 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,680 of people agreeing on something that's not true because they're 960 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,320 not really trying to get to the truth, right? 961 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,480 It's not that they're stupid and like, it's not that they don't 962 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,560 have knowledge. The subject is just that they, 963 00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:59,240 they don't care that much about the truth, right? 964 00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,440 And then, you know, another thing that happened, like 965 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,400 there's a chapter about global warming and the scientific 966 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:10,040 consensus value where, you know, I just described some other 967 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,400 things that could happen. So like, well, because global 968 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,680 warming is tied to a political issue, and like, the scientists 969 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,920 think that there is overall pretty good evidence that we're 970 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,960 contributing to go global warming and we'll have 971 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,320 significant costs, OK. And, you know, most of them are 972 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,160 on a certain political side. They're on the left. 973 00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:30,720 Then you start to get to this. You get this culture where 974 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:34,560 people think like it's bad, like it's morally and politically bad 975 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,120 to go against the consensus because you could be, you're 976 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,200 undermining the political 'cause that most of us believe in. 977 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,840 So you get this culture where people don't want to speak up if 978 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,360 they have any doubts. Like and like, you know, it 979 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,520 could be that you generally agree with the consensus, but 980 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,160 you've got a few doubts here and there, but you suppress them, 981 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,720 right? Or, you know, like, or somebody 982 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:56,920 likes expresses some doubts and then they get shouted down by 983 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,560 the other scientists or they get ostracized or something like 984 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:00,960 that. OK. 985 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,600 And so you can understand how this would happen. 986 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,240 And like, they're not, they're not bad people, right? 987 00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,640 Like they think that they're doing what's good for society. 988 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,680 But then if this is the way the culture is, then it's no longer 989 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,880 reliable. Like you could have, they could 990 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,840 be wrong, and like you could see how the incorrect opinion could 991 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,480 continue over time. Is this the reason that if I 992 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:27,880 were to say I want to understand theology, so I go to 993 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,160 theologians, if I want to know about what wars we should get 994 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,760 into, I go to Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and the CIA. 995 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,400 And if I want to know about Scientology, I go to the head of 996 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,400 Scientology, David Miscavige. Don't you have any criticisms of 997 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,120 these things? You're not an expert. 998 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,160 What is the flaw in that thinking? 999 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,920 If I want expertise in that area, I go to the people who are 1000 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,240 currently experts in it. Yeah, yeah, OK. 1001 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,120 Yeah. So it would be true that those 1002 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,040 people have a lot of knowledge about the subject, but it's also 1003 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,360 true that they have a lot of bias. 1004 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,800 Like, yeah, you go to the defense contractors, yeah, they 1005 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,680 probably know a lot about war, I guess. 1006 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,760 But they're also going to have like a pro war bias because they 1007 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,320 get a reward, like they get paid if there's a war, right? 1008 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,080 Or, you know, you go to the head of Scientology, you know, like, 1009 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,440 well, like obviously they're just going to say Scientology is 1010 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,560 great because they're trying to get more people to come in and 1011 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,200 give them money, right? So OK. 1012 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,600 And you know, you might, you might think, oh, OK, so like, 1013 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,840 you know, maybe there's a similar thing about similar 1014 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,760 thing about drugs. Like, OK, well, the drug 1015 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,840 companies are just going to say that the drugs are great, like, 1016 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,840 and in so far as they're legally allowed, right? 1017 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,720 Because like there are there are limits. 1018 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,360 Like you get in trouble if they lie too much. 1019 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,760 When it comes to, I want to talk about the principal difference 1020 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,240 between two things. Imagine in one case I send a 1021 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:57,440 woman an unsolicited naked picture, and in another case I 1022 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,000 send her an unsolicited picture of what I think is a nice 1023 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,920 building she'll enjoy. What is the moral difference 1024 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,520 between these two unsolicited pictures I sent? 1025 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,560 Well, is it a moral difference? I don't know. 1026 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,320 There's certainly an etiquette difference, right? 1027 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,320 Like, you know, you know, in one of them you're being rude and 1028 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,880 whatever, you know, a jerk or something, and then the other 1029 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,840 one you're not in. What's the difference? 1030 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,120 Well, just like the anticipatable reaction. 1031 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,400 Anticipatable reaction. OK, Because you have a topic 1032 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,720 here on transgenderism, which I think frankly is very sickening 1033 00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:37,880 and I don't want to see it anywhere, ever. 1034 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,000 I always scroll past it whenever I see it on social media. 1035 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,960 So when it comes to what people like me can do without violating 1036 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,640 the non aggression principle, without ushering in Augusto 1037 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:53,920 Pinochet, those of us who do not like transgenderism, what do you 1038 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,320 think is a proper response for us to have? 1039 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,840 Oh, yeah. Well, you know, I think that 1040 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,560 maybe you need to, you need to see a conservative transverse. 1041 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,440 OK, so go go. Blair White still counts. 1042 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:09,520 Yeah, Blair White. So you still don't like you 1043 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,720 don't even like Blair White? I, I just hate the concept. 1044 00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:16,320 Every time I see it, I just see it's like, oh, look, another 1045 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,400 destruction on the family. The one hurdle to complete state 1046 00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,160 power. Oh yeah, let let me fall for 1047 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,360 that real quick. So one, it's sickening. 1048 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,000 And two, it just evokes this emotion in me. 1049 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,960 So just as literally the reason I think it's wrong to send an 1050 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,240 unsolicited naked picture is frankly, it's gross. 1051 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,840 I don't want to see it, and that's fine, even though that 1052 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,520 might offend me as the person who it's the image of. 1053 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,480 That's how I feel about this transgender agenda. 1054 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,320 When I see these double mastectomies that women brag 1055 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,560 about where they expose their chest, that to me is how it must 1056 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,920 feel when a woman gets an unsolicited picture like that. 1057 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,720 It is just so sickening. I'm looking for productive ways 1058 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,160 we could go about decreasing the likelihood that something like 1059 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,480 this will continue to flourish or be encouraged. 1060 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,320 Well, I don't know. I mean, like, you know, usually 1061 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,520 like if you're on social media or on YouTube or whatever, it 1062 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,560 will select things to show you based upon what you've watched 1063 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,280 in the past. So don't watch any of that 1064 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,240 content and then they will stop showing it to you right now. 1065 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,640 You know, if you if you're running into people in person, 1066 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,480 we're like, there's hardly any transgender people in the 1067 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,680 country, OK. Or at least there used to be 1068 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,960 hardly any. There's been like an explosion 1069 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,120 in the last several years or something, OK. 1070 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,400 But you know, like, you know, it used to be one in 10,000, maybe 1071 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,640 one in 100,000. So, you know, don't worry about 1072 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,000 it. And like, and also they used to 1073 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,400 not say anything about it now. And you know, like, I don't 1074 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,120 know, stay away from the LGBT parades, I guess, just on the 1075 00:58:54,280 --> 00:59:00,680 letter. OK, when it comes to the climate 1076 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:05,680 change consensus, this is one, I know we touched upon it earlier. 1077 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,360 Is there anything about the specific research you found that 1078 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,400 was faulty or actively misleading when it came to the 1079 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:17,280 claim that 97% of climate scientists agree it's a big deal 1080 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,600 and humans are the primary cause? 1081 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,840 Yeah. So it turned out that that 1082 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,080 wasn't really true, right? Like, that's a claim that's 1083 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,400 repeated many times. It's based upon there's an 1084 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,440 article that somebody published in a journal, but they didn't 1085 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,600 actually survey climate scientists. 1086 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,680 They looked at articles and they looked at the abstracts of 1087 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,480 articles. OK. 1088 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,040 And that's different because like it could be that, you know, 1089 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,960 maybe maybe people who believe in climate change are more 1090 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,480 likely to publish on the subject. 1091 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,000 And so it's not it's not necessarily representative of 1092 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,040 all the scientists, but also like actually the great majority 1093 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,480 of the abstracts that they looked at did not apparently 1094 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,960 take any position on man made climate change. 1095 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:07,760 So when they say 97%, what they mean is of the ones that clearly 1096 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,840 took some position on whether there is anthropogenic climate 1097 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,840 change, 97% of those were for it rather than against it. 1098 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,480 OK, but OK. But also, and then, you know, 1099 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,840 like, and one of the authors who worked on that paper later 1100 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,280 characterized the result. As, you know, 97% of scientists 1101 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,680 agree that humans are the main cause. 1102 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,600 But that's not what the original paper said, right? 1103 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:37,200 It said 97% of the people who took a stand or of the abstracts 1104 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:42,480 that took a stand thought that humans played at least some 1105 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,040 role, not that they were the main cause, right. 1106 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,400 And and actually, like, according to that paper, they, 1107 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,880 they said that they did collect data on how many said that it 1108 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,320 was the main cause, but to simplify the analysis, they're 1109 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,200 not presenting that day. OK. 1110 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,520 And well, right. Is it was it to simplify the 1111 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,080 analysis or was it because if you gave the data then it 1112 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,760 wouldn't make as good of a statistic? 1113 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,720 So is it climate change or global warming if a certain 1114 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:20,360 geographical area goes from an Ice Age in one period to non Ice 1115 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,400 Age in another? Is that what they're referring 1116 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,880 to as climate change? Or are they specifically talking 1117 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,920 about what human beings have engaged in since the industrial 1118 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,720 revolution? Well, yeah, so there's, I mean, 1119 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,040 you know, the term that people like is AGW anthropogenic global 1120 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,800 warming, right? Which which set because there's 1121 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,920 other global warming, there's natural climate change. 1122 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,320 But then there's anthropogenic meaning man made climate change, 1123 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:47,960 right, which is whether people are complaining about now and 1124 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,000 they're not complaining about the the natural ones. 1125 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,480 Although, you know, natural climate change has happened for 1126 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:57,200 a long time and it has often been good, you know, sometimes 1127 01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,880 good, sometimes bad, right. But you know why civilization 1128 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,480 started? Like human beings were around 1129 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,640 for like 200,000 years or 2 million years depending on what 1130 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,360 you count. And then only in the past, 1131 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,720 whatever, like 6000 years or something has there been 1132 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,600 civilization. You know why that was just 1133 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,360 because of the Ice Age ended. It was because of global 1134 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,240 warming, right? Like global warming enabled 1135 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:27,720 civilization to start because it became more viable to be a 1136 01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,160 farmer. Anyway, you know, that doesn't 1137 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,360 necessarily mean that all global warming is good, but it means 1138 01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,920 that it could be good. You can't just assume that it's 1139 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:38,920 bad just because there's a change. 1140 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,840 So what are the economic lessons we can take from that? 1141 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:49,640 For 200,000 years up until like 1800? 1142 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:54,600 You add what would be referred to as like almost planetary 1143 01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,520 absolute poverty. And then we saw a drastic 1144 01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:04,440 decrease in absolute poverty in many countries after 18119 1145 01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,360 hundred, even after 1950 in the case of India and China. 1146 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,680 What are some economic lessons we can extract extract from 1147 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,760 having a much longer view of history? 1148 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,440 Yeah, I mean, like everything has costs and benefits, right? 1149 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,840 But overall human society tends to get better, particularly in 1150 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,280 the last couple of 100 years, right. 1151 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,320 And I think like a lot of people just totally under appreciate 1152 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,360 this. They, you know, they're, they're 1153 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,800 all these people like living in America and other Western 1154 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,240 industrialized nations who are basically living in paradise, 1155 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,200 OK? They're living in what earlier 1156 01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,720 generations would have called a paradise. 1157 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,120 They couldn't even dream of the fabulous wealth that we're 1158 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,480 surrounded with. And that's not an exaggeration. 1159 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,080 That the average person is surrounded with, not just the 1160 01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,440 aristocrats. Yeah, just like an ordinary 1161 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,880 American is like better off than a king in previous centuries, 1162 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,960 and they totally don't appreciate that. 1163 01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,240 But anyway, so there's some costs, OK. 1164 01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,240 So like, global warming is one of the costs of 1165 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:08,200 industrialization, but obviously the benefit vastly outweighs it 1166 01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,080 by, you know, orders of magnitude, baby, right? 1167 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:16,560 So how would you explain to a progressive the the reason 1168 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,520 behind the poverty difference in North Korea and South Korea and 1169 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,080 East Germany and West Germany? Is there a causal connection 1170 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:28,240 between more voluntary exchanges, more freedom and 1171 01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,200 wealth? Or is that more or less 1172 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,040 happenstance, which Richard Wolff actually says it's more or 1173 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,760 less coincidence? Coincidence. 1174 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:35,680 Yeah. Yeah. 1175 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,400 OK, Well, I don't know. You know, there's this thing 1176 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,800 called communism, right? The people in the communist 1177 01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,600 countries called it socialist. You know, we in America called 1178 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,360 it communism. OK, so there's this thing called 1179 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,880 communism that took over a large portion of the world in the 20th 1180 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,960 century, and they tried it in multiple different countries on 1181 01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:02,520 different continents, you know, Africa, Asia, Europe, Latin 1182 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,520 America, OK. They tried many different and 1183 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,320 they tried different variations on it and they tried that 1184 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,200 different parts of the 20th century, OK. 1185 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,600 And every time the same thing happened, like every time was a 1186 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,360 total failure. Every time it reduced the 1187 01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,400 population to poverty. And, you know, you mentioned 1188 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,040 Korea and Germany because those are kind of close to controlled 1189 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,920 experiments. The closest that you can get to 1190 01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,200 a controlled experiment in social science. 1191 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,080 Like the same society gets divided into a capitalist half 1192 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,080 and a communist half. And then, you know, 50 years 1193 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,840 later, the capitalist half is rich, communist half is poor and 1194 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,840 like millions of people starved, OK. 1195 01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,200 And, you know, And then so just like poverty, but then also like 1196 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,640 oppression, like, you know, in, in the worst case is 10s of 1197 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,880 millions of people were killed. And like that, just like there 1198 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,000 was mass murder in multiple, not, not every time, but 1199 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:57,600 multiple different communist countries. 1200 01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:58,800 They were just like these mass murderers. 1201 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,000 And then there's this political oppression, people can't speak 1202 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,400 their minds and so on. So I don't know, you know, is it 1203 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:10,400 coincidence or maybe this whole communism thing is a bad idea? 1204 01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,640 Yeah well comparing government atrocities to even private 1205 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:19,600 atrocities, I think it took like the clan 100 years to have 3000 1206 01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,320 murders according to the Tuskegee Institute and the 1207 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,760 Japanese Empire was killing like 3000 people a day in China. 1208 01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,560 Hiroshima by the American government killed like 100,000 1209 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:35,160 people in a day. So even the atrocities of more 1210 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:39,320 free governments are just completely inexcusable when it 1211 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,640 comes to the concept of of results or principles. 1212 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,360 Historically it seems like the progressives will say Jim Crow 1213 01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,480 laws and segregation were inherently immoral. 1214 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,400 Don't bug me with the costs or benefits, those should have been 1215 01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,600 abolished immediately. Slavery should have been 1216 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,000 abolished. The sooner the better. 1217 01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:00,240 There's no downside to having 3.9 million people go from 1218 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:04,160 enslavement to freedom. National Socialism inherently 1219 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,000 immoral, but when it comes to all these other things, they're 1220 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,280 weighing the costs and benefits in the modern day. 1221 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,840 What do you think is more important to focus on or how 1222 01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,800 could we bridge the two? Yeah. 1223 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:19,800 I mean, I don't really think that those are opposing 1224 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,520 concerns, right? Like what what's inherently 1225 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,320 immoral and what's impractical. I think the, the inherently 1226 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:30,400 immoral things are impractical. And like, I don't know, I don't 1227 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,160 know if that's 100%, but that's like it's close to all the time, 1228 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,000 right? So like, OK, you know, Nazi 1229 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,880 Germany, that's that's it's inherently immoral. 1230 01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,480 I know genocide inherently immoral. 1231 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,520 It's also like super harmful. I think just, you know, if 1232 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,280 you're a utilitarian, like, you know, utilitarians are not going 1233 01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,240 to disagree with the ontologist about that one, right? 1234 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,120 Or, you know, slavery. Well, you know, like, yeah, so 1235 01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,880 it's a massive rights violation. And it's also like a huge 1236 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,480 utility sink, right? Like the North was doing much 1237 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:05,120 better than the South. And so it looks like, it looks 1238 01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,560 like slavery held back the economic development of the 1239 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,160 South, Right. And, you know, like, why? 1240 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,440 Well, like you've got a whole bunch of people who you're not, 1241 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:14,960 like, maximizing their potential. 1242 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,080 They're just like they're working as slaves on a farm and 1243 01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,760 like they don't get to use their talents because there's not a 1244 01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:27,279 free market for those people. So they don't get to do the 1245 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,359 thing that they're best at doing or whatever. 1246 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,359 Right. OK, So, and, you know, like, I 1247 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:36,600 don't know, just other example, OK, like, you know, Jim Crow 1248 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,359 laws, like just obviously harmful. 1249 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:43,200 So, you know, unfair, you know, like punishing people because of 1250 01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,439 the color of their skin, but also like obviously harmful. 1251 01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,640 And like just in economic terms, like, again, just like not 1252 01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,840 making the use, not making full use of your population. 1253 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,800 That's obviously foolish. And, you know, like, if you're 1254 01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:01,120 an employer, like deciding not to hire good workers because 1255 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,960 their skin is the color that you don't like, like that's 1256 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,399 obviously shooting yourself in the foot. 1257 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,760 Well, because two things come to mind today. 1258 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,160 Progressives who want to empower the working class actively would 1259 01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,840 like the working class's voice to be suppressed on social 1260 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,040 media, maybe by the companies, but especially by the 1261 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,200 government. They certainly want laws that 1262 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:28,120 stop Elon Musk for making it an anarchic free for all on X. 1263 01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:32,040 And in the case of Jim Crow, George Wallace famously said 1264 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:36,920 that we see more riots which end up hurting black neighborhoods 1265 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,279 in these desegregated communities. 1266 01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,880 And in Alabama, where it's segregated, we have 15 Negro 1267 01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:48,080 college presidents of colleges in California desegregated. 1268 01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:52,120 You don't have any because when low IQ people compete with 1269 01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,480 everyone else it doesn't really benefit them. 1270 01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,800 It what is missing in that analysis in the We have to 1271 01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,680 suppress free speech, and even the oppressed can benefit from 1272 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,240 the oppression if their overlords are smarter. 1273 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:09,760 Yeah, well, yeah. Like I, I don't, I don't trust 1274 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,120 George Wallace. Like George Wallace. 1275 01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:13,280 Like. Trying to steal man. 1276 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,640 One of the famous racist of Alabama. 1277 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,480 So, so I, I don't know what empirical evidence he, he was 1278 01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:24,040 looking at, but like, it just seems like, well, the, yeah, the 1279 01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:32,160 way, the way to succeed as best you can is to participate in 1280 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,760 the, in the wider society, participate in the culture. 1281 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,960 And like it looks. So there's a casual observation. 1282 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:42,040 I'm not like a social scientist, but my casual observation is it 1283 01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,360 looks like it's bad for black communities to be segregated. 1284 01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,320 They like, those don't look to me like thriving communities, 1285 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,080 right? Like the neighborhoods where 1286 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,040 it's like almost all black and like, you know, they, they're 1287 01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,480 separated off from the wider society and just, you know, just 1288 01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:01,280 theoretically that looks like that's a bad thing. 1289 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:07,480 It looks like it's super unwise, you know, like people with 1290 01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,080 different abilities, different talents or different desires or 1291 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,160 whatever it might be. They can benefit by trading. 1292 01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,400 It's like like you don't. It's not that you benefit by 1293 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,000 trading with people who are like you. 1294 01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,520 No, because like, why? Why do I want to trade with 1295 01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,200 someone who's just like me? Like they're going to have the 1296 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,040 same stuff that I have, right? I benefit by trading with 1297 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:35,600 someone who's different from me. And then just like my, if my 1298 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,160 distribution of talents are different from your distribution 1299 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,160 of talents, that means that I can do the stuff that I'm 1300 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:41,800 relatively better at. You can do the stuff that you're 1301 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,600 relatively better AT. And then we have a profitable 1302 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,240 trades. In your research on 1303 01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:53,080 progressivism, did did you come across any literature which like 1304 01:11:53,520 --> 01:12:00,040 really bragged about the effects of a government program on the 1305 01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,440 poor? Because at the Libertarian 1306 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:05,480 Institute, we love saying Amazon and Walmart have increased the 1307 01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:08,480 number of products and services that the poor have access to 1308 01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,960 because of competition and free exchange. 1309 01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:16,040 Do progressives have any of the go to government programs that 1310 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,400 they are really, really happy with and brag about? 1311 01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:24,360 I don't know of any. Thanks. 1312 01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,640 So there is a, there's like some argument about whether welfare 1313 01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,480 is beneficial to the poor, right? 1314 01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:32,680 Because like Charles Murray says that it's not beneficial to the 1315 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,080 poor. But, and I think, and, you know, 1316 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,760 not that this is a left wing person, but Tyler Cohen has 1317 01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,920 said, no, it's, it's a little bit beneficial to them. 1318 01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,760 I think, you know, like they're a little better off than they 1319 01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:45,800 would have been without the welfare. 1320 01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,520 And, you know, you, you know, once you account for whatever, 1321 01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,800 like medical assistance, like Medicare or something, and you 1322 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,640 know, like that kind of makes sense. 1323 01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,480 But of course there's also a cost. 1324 01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:01,720 So did this small benefit for the poor outweigh the cost? 1325 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,400 So, you know, like it's, it's not obvious, right? 1326 01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,880 Like, OK, there's, there's a bunch of people who are poor. 1327 01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:08,720 Let's give them a bunch of money. 1328 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,760 They're going to be better off because money is good. 1329 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:16,040 Like, so that's kind of true. But like the Charles Murray 1330 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,320 argument is, well, you're creating a cycle of dependency. 1331 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:23,120 So you're going to make it easier for them to not get a job 1332 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,320 or you know, like not trying to improve themselves, like 1333 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,280 finishing high school or fishing college or whatever. 1334 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,680 You're going to make it easier for them to continue in like low 1335 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:36,960 productivity life approaches or whatever. 1336 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,440 So like in the short term you benefit them, but maybe in the 1337 01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:42,480 long term they're worse off. And that's plausible. 1338 01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:44,720 Like, I don't know that that's true, but it's plausible that 1339 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,240 that might be true. It certainly seems like it 1340 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,680 creates donors without love and recipients without gratitude. 1341 01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,080 As Antonin Scalia said, I've still never been thanked by a 1342 01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,560 welfare recipient for all the taxes I've paid. 1343 01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,760 Three more questions. Thank you so much for your time. 1344 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,120 The book is Progressive Myths by Doctor Michael Humor. 1345 01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,040 Cannot recommend this book highly enough. 1346 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,520 Part 1 especially is just mind blowing. 1347 01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,040 What is it about regulation that progressives need to appreciate? 1348 01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,560 Yeah, I mean, they, well, they, the theory, like the progressive 1349 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,920 theory is, oh, so you know, regulation protects consumers 1350 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,760 from rapacious businesses. You know, we need like, probably 1351 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,120 most of the regulations are beneficial because that's why we 1352 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,600 made them, because the government is good and they 1353 01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,840 serve the people's interests. And like, one thing that you 1354 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,720 have to understand just in general is, well, OK, so like 1355 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,480 most people are selfish. And that's that, by the way, is 1356 01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:41,040 the reason why you want the regulations, because the people 1357 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,880 in these businesses are selfish. But you have to understand is 1358 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,760 like the people making the regulations are also selfish. 1359 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,080 So let's think about how this is going to work out, right? 1360 01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:54,200 And So what was going to happen is so there's some Regulatory 1361 01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,320 agency that's responsible for regulating a particular 1362 01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,360 industry. And who is going to control that 1363 01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,000 agency? Well, it turns out that it's 1364 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,320 frequently controlled by members of the industry. 1365 01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:08,480 Frequently people who either are going to work in the industry or 1366 01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:11,720 have worked in the industry will be staffing the regulatory 1367 01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,200 agencies. Why would that happen? 1368 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,400 Well, because those people are the experts on the industry. 1369 01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:18,760 They're the ones who know the industry. 1370 01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,720 And they're, that's one reason. And the other reason is they're 1371 01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,400 the ones with the incentive to control that agency. 1372 01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:31,440 Like, I'm not going to go and try and get in the FAA and 1373 01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:35,000 control the regulations because, you know, I don't fly that much 1374 01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,840 and like, it's not going to make that much difference to me. 1375 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,240 But if I was like an airline executive, it could make a huge 1376 01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,240 difference to me. So then I'm going to exert 1377 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,560 effort, right? Like, you know, rich people who 1378 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,760 control large corporations, they have the money and they have the 1379 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:55,480 incentive to do what it takes to control the organization. 1380 01:15:55,480 --> 01:15:57,320 So OK. And so, you know, like, there's 1381 01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,640 a bunch of regulations that, you know, like, the main thing you 1382 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,520 want to do if you're one of these businesses trying to 1383 01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,560 influence regulations is you want to make things harder for 1384 01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:08,600 your competitors. You want to raise prices and 1385 01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:10,640 make it harder for competitors to compete. 1386 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,280 And a lot of regulations do this kind of thing where, like, they 1387 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:17,560 favor one business over another. They won't say that in the text, 1388 01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:22,560 but it'll be like, you know, they're requiring you to do a 1389 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,880 particular process. And as a matter of fact, some 1390 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,040 particular large company was already doing that process, but 1391 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,000 some of their competitors are going to have to spend some 1392 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:37,280 money in order to do it. Walmart and two Walmart CEO's, 1393 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:41,320 Doug McMullen and H Lee Scott, came out and said we at Walmart 1394 01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,200 support increasing the minimum wage because workers deserve it. 1395 01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:48,120 Amazon has come out explicitly endorsing a $15.00 an hour 1396 01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,280 minimum wage. This happens all the time. 1397 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,400 Yeah, yeah. So if you're already paying over 1398 01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,120 $15.00 an hour, but you have some competitors who are paying 1399 01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:02,280 less, and maybe you have like smaller competitors and maybe 1400 01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:06,360 they're able to pay less because workers like the small company 1401 01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,160 better than they like the big company, OK? 1402 01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,160 And because they're able to pay less, that's how they're able to 1403 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,480 compete with you. So what you would like to do is 1404 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,960 outlaw that. Make it so that they have to pay 1405 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,680 the same amount as you and then they can't compete with you. 1406 01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,840 Two questions on philosophy in general. 1407 01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,520 Again the book is progressive Myths. 1408 01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,400 Cannot recommend this highly enough. 1409 01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:35,320 This is a classic book where I go Oh my God I wish I would have 1410 01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,800 read this 15 years ago. It would have saved me so many 1411 01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,560 headaches. When you have two people, one of 1412 01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,680 them thinks they're smart and the other person's stupid. 1413 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,360 The other person thinks vice versa. 1414 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,600 Can we come up with a litmus test to differentiate smart 1415 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:55,520 people from stupid people? Well, I mean, they're IQ tests. 1416 01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,960 You could do that. You could take an IQ test. 1417 01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,680 But you know, like when, when people are talking about 1418 01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,960 politics, like intelligence isn't usually the problem. 1419 01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:10,040 Usually the main problem is bias and just rationality. 1420 01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,160 So like, is it, you know, you could ask, is there a test of 1421 01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,320 bias? I don't know. 1422 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,080 There's like, well, do you spend any time trying not to be 1423 01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,080 biased? Because if you spend no time on 1424 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,440 that, then you're probably biased. 1425 01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,280 You expend no effort, right? Or you know. 1426 01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,840 The amount of So first we can determine the amount of effort 1427 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:34,520 they've put into seeing the other sides of the argument and 1428 01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,800 not confirming their bias. What else can we do? 1429 01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:39,920 Yeah. And, you know, just sort of 1430 01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,920 like, yeah. Do you ever try to check on 1431 01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,400 whether the thing you believe is true? 1432 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,800 Like, so, OK, you heard something that confirmed your 1433 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:53,040 political beliefs, and do you check up on it, whether it's 1434 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,240 really true? Because if you never check up on 1435 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,240 it, then that suggests that you don't really care whether it's 1436 01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:58,320 true. You just want to believe the 1437 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,600 thing that supports your side. Right. 1438 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:07,080 And incidentally, by the way, I think this is a test of whether 1439 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,600 you really care about benefiting society because, well, if you 1440 01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,040 want to benefit society, then you have to make sure your 1441 01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,080 beliefs are true. But if you just want to make 1442 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,640 yourself feel good, then you don't have to do that. 1443 01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,760 If you just want to feel good and self-righteous, then you 1444 01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,520 just need strong beliefs. But they don't have to be the 1445 01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,400 truth, so no need to check that. So if you find if you find a 1446 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,640 bunch of political activists who are not trying to check up on 1447 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,160 whether their beliefs are true, it's probably that they're just 1448 01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,640 trying to make themselves feel good and not really trying to 1449 01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,240 help society. I love that metric. 1450 01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,680 The other day, Howard Stern was interviewing Vice President 1451 01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:47,000 Harris and he goes, how could people vote for this guy, Trump? 1452 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:48,600 I mean, he wants to end democracy. 1453 01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,480 I just can't get it through to them. 1454 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:52,720 What is it? What is it that we can do? 1455 01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:56,440 Vice President Harris and I go, you don't know how someone can 1456 01:19:56,440 --> 01:19:59,320 support. There's 80 million Trump voters 1457 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,080 minimum. There's tons of Trump supporters 1458 01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,560 in other countries who just see him as a savior of the West. 1459 01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,320 And you, Mr. Stern, haven't opened up the phone lines. 1460 01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:14,360 You haven't googled the steel man for Donald Trump, Why I 1461 01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,400 should vote for Trump, why you shouldn't vote against. 1462 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:21,560 It's like they literally put no effort in when it's so readily 1463 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,680 available. Yeah, I mean, did they put no 1464 01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,880 effort in or did they listen and they didn't understand, right. 1465 01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,880 You know, because it could be like, well, they they talked to 1466 01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,960 some Trump supporters, but they didn't understand what the Trump 1467 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:38,320 supporters were talking about. Like, so I don't. 1468 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:39,560 Yeah. What did Trump supporters say 1469 01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:43,640 about why they like him? I know he loves America like 1470 01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,760 that one I've heard. He's patriotic, he's standing up 1471 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,080 to the deep state is the second thing. 1472 01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:51,200 Yeah. OK. 1473 01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:54,160 So, you know, like, is it that the Democrats don't know that or 1474 01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,080 they don't know why you think that he cares about America? 1475 01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,960 Because it's because it seems to the Democrats like he doesn't 1476 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:05,440 care about America. Like I don't myself think that 1477 01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:08,680 he cares about America. Like I think he cares about 1478 01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,480 Trump. Trump cares about Trump. 1479 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,080 Of course, he got out of the Open Skies Treaty with Russia, 1480 01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:19,120 which is a great escalation and potential nuclear exchange. 1481 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,840 He's a piece of shit. OK, awesome. 1482 01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:27,120 So how often do they seek out alternatives that challenge 1483 01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,320 their viewpoint and challenge their bias? 1484 01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,480 Very, very good metric. Final question for the 1485 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,560 philosopher Michael Humor at University of Colorado. 1486 01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:41,080 Assuming there is no afterlife, how can humans make the most of 1487 01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:45,640 their scarce time on Earth? Oh, wow, it's, I don't know, 1488 01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,160 very, very broad. And, you know, that would be 1489 01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:53,200 hard to answer now. And that also tempts me to go 1490 01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,200 talk about whether there is an afterlife or not. 1491 01:21:57,480 --> 01:21:59,760 That would be the greatest news ever. 1492 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,320 Almost as good as refuting progressivism. 1493 01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,080 Is there an afterlife? Well, you could look at I have a 1494 01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:09,600 paper about reincarnation which which proves that proves that 1495 01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,720 there's reincarnation right you. Know of human beings. 1496 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,680 You know, probably all conscious beings. 1497 01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,840 Yeah, all. Conscious. 1498 01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,080 Beings. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing right 1499 01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:24,920 here. OK, well, this is the shortest 1500 01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:29,200 version of the argument. OK, I I assume that time is 1501 01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,960 infinite in both directions. Future in the past are infinite. 1502 01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:37,440 So if time is infinite, then if persons could live only once, 1503 01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,120 then what would be the probability that you would be 1504 01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:44,160 alive specifically now? It would be 0. 1505 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,560 OK, so but you are alive now, right? 1506 01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,840 So either time is not infinite or you could live more than 1507 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,720 once. All right, So all right. 1508 01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,080 So that's a short version of the argument. 1509 01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:57,800 It could be more discussion of that. 1510 01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:03,360 But if I die, couldn't that be just as I didn't exist before I 1511 01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,200 was born, I won't exist after I die. 1512 01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:10,360 And couldn't we verify that by looking at if a brain? 1513 01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,280 If consciousness is completely correlated with the brain muscle 1514 01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,200 being active, couldn't it be that when you die, you're just 1515 01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:22,080 gone? Well, is that logically 1516 01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:23,880 possible? Yes, but the probability of that 1517 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:29,920 being true is 0. Good to hear, Very good to hear. 1518 01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,520 And yeah, you did exist before you were born, you just don't 1519 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,960 remember it. You know you had infinitely many 1520 01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,280 lifetimes before before this because the universe goes back 1521 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,880 forever, right? You know another way of thinking 1522 01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:44,120 this is, well, you know, time is just going to continue forever, 1523 01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,240 literally forever. So anything that has a non 0 1524 01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,800 probability will eventually happen if you have infinite 1525 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,400 time. So if there's a non 0 1526 01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:57,080 probability of you being created per unit time then it will 1527 01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:01,840 eventually happen So. Well thank you, it's just been 1528 01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,760 heavy on my mind. My mom passed away when she was 1529 01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,880 57 years old. So I always ask philosophers 1530 01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:14,400 what I can do to make the most out of what I thought up until 2 1531 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,280 minutes ago with my scarce time on earth. 1532 01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:20,440 But now I don't even face opportunity costs anymore. 1533 01:24:20,440 --> 01:24:23,080 I'm living forever, baby. Right. 1534 01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:26,360 Yeah, but you know, I don't know when the next lifetime is, so it 1535 01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,400 might be in a Google years on another planet, you know? 1536 01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:35,080 I I think Joe Biden will still be alive and at, at at that 1537 01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:36,880 time. Yeah, yeah, Joe Biden goes back 1538 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:41,360 forever. The book is Progressive Myths by 1539 01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,440 Doctor Michael Humor at University of Colorado. 1540 01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:49,000 This book is phenomenal. Like I said, tons of empirical 1541 01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,680 and principled approaches to refuting what I consider to be, 1542 01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:57,520 since the days of Woodrow Wilson, the great hurdle to 1543 01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:01,520 human beings engaging in free social exchanges, social 1544 01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:05,560 cooperation, and achieving the Great Society that is possible. 1545 01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,000 Thanks to everyone for watching Keith and I Don't Tread on 1546 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,440 Anyone and the Libertarian Institute Doctor humor. 1547 01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:12,840 Thank you for your time all. Right, thanks. 1548 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:13,520 Thanks for having me.