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Today, I'm joined by Tom Mullen.
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Freedom podcast and is the 
author of where do conservatives

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the pursuit of happiness find 
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Mullen talks. 
Freedom.com. 

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Today. 
We're going to be discussing his

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new book, anti-state Christmas. 
Mr. Mullen. 

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Thank you for your time, sir. 
Thank you. 

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Keith crazy. 
Be here. 

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I want to give you a quote by 
one of my heroes Larkin Rose. 

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Tell me your response to this. 
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that if you suggest to the 
average person that maybe God 

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does not exist. 
He will likely respond with less

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emotion and hostility then if 
you bring up the idea of life 

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without government this 
indicates, which religion people

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are more deeply emotionally 
attached to and which religion 

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they actually believe in more 
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What are you thoughts on that? 
Well, he's right on the money 

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and, you know, government or 
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I should say, especially From 
the left are hostile towards 

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religion and it's just so funny 
that they have such a religious 

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belief in the state. 
And I always say, look, you 

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don't have to believe in God, 
you want to be a Christian, or a

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Jew, or a Buddhist or whatever. 
But if you're going to believe 

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in something, don't believe in 
the government, as a religion, 

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that's like, you know, that's 
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Christian that's more like 
believing in snake charming her 

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or fishing through entrails. 
I mean, look at the results. 

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Absolutely, everything it does 
is a disaster. 

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You got better luck dancing and 
trying to make it rain. 

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Now when we hear State, you 
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know, such a deep Dives, we 
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that, you know, come to mind, I 
think of the world wars, I think

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of Yemen. 
I think of, you know, putting 

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people in jail for victimless 
crimes ruining the lives of 

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those people, and their 
families, and their future job 

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opportunities. 
A lot of people will say, well, 

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when I think of government, I 
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think of More of like a parent 
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Once went around saying people 
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and hate, the state are sort of 
like dogs who just hate their 

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owners that they say anyone can 
criticize anyone. 

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But in reality without the 
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for himself and will most likely
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When you come across someone 
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The state is more or less. 
A provider. 

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How do you communicate some idea
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That would make them either 
skeptical or Or question their 

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initial assumptions. 
Well, of course week. 

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The first thing we always hear 
about is the roads as if 99.999%

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of the taxes, didn't go to 
something else. 

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Including a big chunk for those 
Wars you talk about which kill 

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people who've never attacked us,
mostly kill people who've never 

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done anything but but, you know,
defend their own country, but, 

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you know, getting back to the 
Rhode show. 

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The roads are terrible. 
I mean monkeys could be Rain to 

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manage the road system better 
and I spent this most of this 

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Century traveling for business 
and a good deal that travel was 

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flying into an airport through 
the TSA which we can get to a in

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a minute and then having to 
drive quite a bit through many, 

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many states on the government's 
roads, and here's one 

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observation and this is probably
charitable. 

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You can't drive seven minutes in
any City without Seeing delays. 

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Because of Road repairs that 
never get repaired, never get 

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fixed or, or an hour on the 
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without incurring a major delay.
This is not normal. 

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It doesn't have to be like this 
and it wasn't always like this 

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for the first 80 years of the 
wreck of the Republic private 

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companies built and owned the 
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And I don't mean that they got, 
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Just to build them. 
They save their own money. 

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Formed corporations themselves. 
How's add funded owned and 

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operated the roads? 
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Confederates were, when they 
left the union, they didn't have

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to do anything with their 
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because the Constitution already
defended slavery. 

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Unfortunately, what they did put
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Different was the government 
doesn't get to provide any 

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infrastructure, build any roads.
That's how bad the few attempts 

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to build, government's wrote 
grow government roads were 

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before the Civil War. 
So, It doesn't have to be like 

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this and it's one thing after 
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It was the roads that we just 
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of the government managing that.
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health care and then they had a 
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Now, they're into education, 40 
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They started the Department of 
Education to make education 

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affordable for everyone. 
And now we've got to forgive all

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these loans because education is
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everything they do is a disaster
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They do has been Done and will 
be done better by the private 

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sector. 
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important than you know, what? 
Then we think it is because if 

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the state provides something we 
assume that they can be the only

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provider of that thing. 
So we're more likely to defend 

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blatant atrocities and will 
always be criticizing people 

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instead of Institutions. 
So, when they look at all the 

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crimes of government, they'll 
say, you know what, I'm against 

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that, I really hope they change 
that policy, but Look, my 

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grandma is on Social Security. 
I take the roads to drop my kids

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off at the government school. 
So I mean I I'm against the wars

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but I'm still gonna, you know, 
make sure I'm voting and 

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saluting and thanking the troops
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So really once you get people 
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and way. 
The human Minds ability to 

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justify any other atrocity, will
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like people will never say. 
Well, I really think the cost of

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Into Afghanistan and Iraq were 
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And even though it led to later 
intervention in Syria, though, 

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just be like, look without 
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They're probably be chaos. 
So in, they can't even take a 

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blatantly obvious, moral stance 
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drone kills 10 civilians in 
Afghanistan in response to, you 

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know, well what happened during 
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did you see the Chinese 
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Come out and say. 
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American atrocities in the name 
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I heard about it. 
I didn't actually see the clip, 

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but good for him. 
It's just one of those things 

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where it's like, you know, what,
obviously China evil gangster 

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regime, but can we not play the 
what about card and just say 

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yeah, you know what? 
He's probably right. 

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Anyone who's not willing to just
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Let's bring this to anti-state 
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So many people on the right will
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and say, well, it's called 
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Well, it's for the greater good.
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Jesus is message? 
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defend crime, so, long as it's 
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Well, I think that, you know, a 
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might be telling their 
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need to be meek and, and suffer 
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like Jesus and you'll get your 
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Not that Jesus. 
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I mean, I'm no Theologian but 
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York. 
I've mastered the skill of 

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reading and interpreting 
literature for whatever, that's 

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worth. 
And and the Jesus that's in the 

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Bible is constantly butting 
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constantly excoriated 
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He's not even nice about it. 
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he goes on a diatribe against 
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I mean, don't forget the whole 
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Starts with a government. 
Trying to kill them. 

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Well, he's still a baby. 
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Butter, comment on the 
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are these Pharisees and scribes,
you know, so out to get them, do

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they really believe that he's a 
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people to love their neighbor as
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No, he's a political threat. 
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people are listening to him 
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And so they're constantly trying
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Trying to get him on some 
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So they can kill him which they 
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So, you know, he's he's the 
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world to me. 
He never has one. 

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Nice thing to say about the 
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a law, like the guy with the 
withered hand that says, oh 

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well, you shouldn't cure him on 
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Forget it. 
I'm curing him. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Hey disobeying regulations at at

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the early stage. 
That's good. 

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Because once there's regulatory 
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that he would have been he would
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comes to the idea that Jesus was
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to people in very vulnerable 
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We see this today with people 
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Socialism or communism about 17%
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sciences identify as Marxist. 
Jesus was a communist. 

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How do you respond? 
Yeah. 

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Well, that's I mean, there's 
that's crazy on so many levels. 

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We number one. 
The obvious thing is he never 

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says, let's start a government 
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He tells you to help the poor. 
He tells me to help the poor. 

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He certainly doesn't tell you, 
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scribes that. 
I just got done taking to the 

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Woodshed about how sinful and 
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They are, is he never says to 
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That's 41. 
And then, for a socialist, this,

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this Jesus has some very curious
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always represents God himself as
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property owner and the 
Bolsheviks like the husbandman 

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in the parable of the vineyard 
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are the villains that are going 
to get kicked out, you know, and

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suffer for eternity. 
So, you know, he's always put it

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this way. 
Those are all spiritual lessons.

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I get it. 
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lesson in those Parables, but 
it's kind of a funny literary 

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device for his socialist to use 
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hero. 
What else does the right have to

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learn from the story of Jesus? 
Well, you know, there's a 

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chapter of my book called. 
Jesus, dunks on the left, which 

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we were, I was just referring 
to, there's one called Jesus, 

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dunks on the right. 
And I think there's a lot to 

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learn from the woman caught in 
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to Stoner for this. 
Now, of course, people are 

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punished rather severely for 
even legitimate crimes in the 

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gospels. 
Like the guys were crucified for

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robbery. 
The next next to him, but you 

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know, when it, Jesus comes 
across this rather moral crime 

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and it's a little ambiguous. 
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reading it, you know, whether 
the woman was married, somebody 

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in the Act was married, but this
is not a crime against the 

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property of somebody else, other
than violating a marriage 

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contract. 
So, of course, you don't kill 

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somebody over this. 
You don't throw somebody in jail

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over this, you know, you he 
tells her avoid this sin in the 

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future. 
This is not good for you to do. 

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What a great parallel to the 
drug wars or to any kind of 

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victimless laws against any 
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Prostitution. 
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everybody to go out there and be
prostitutes. 

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But, you know, this is not 
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because no force was used in 
aggression. 

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Big Facebook, debate, the other 
day in a group. 

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I was in every now and then it 
can get pretty productive 

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depending on so long. 
As you pick the right groups. 

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The statement was Jesus would 
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vaccine. 
What do you think about that? 

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And the obvious implications 
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Well, I don't think even I have 
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the vaccine. 
It's again, would he would he 

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put the Pharisees and scribes in
charge of which vaccines get 

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approved and lived to tell 
everybody they have to take 

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them. 
Of course not, that's all he 

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does is criticize them his 
whole. 

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The whole gospel is about him 
fighting with the government. 

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So, of course, he's never going 
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charge of this. 
He doesn't want to be in charge 

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of what goes on in this world 
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He tells punch Pilate. 
My kingdom is not of this world.

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I'm not looking to rule over the
people, you rule over. 

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I don't think that that can in 
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endorsement of Pontius pilate's 
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He's rather dismissive of pilot 
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answer any questions. 
Just another way. 

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He's very libertarian. 
He don't talk to the cops. 

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Don't talk to the government 
don't and don't provide any 

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evidence and what happens. 
He gets acquitted and then what 

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happens, the mob gets him 
killed. 

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Anyway, Even though he's 
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You know, I mean, you couldn't 
read a better book than the 

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gospels. 
Even if you're an atheist, if 

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you were looking for libertarian
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Once they lose the Jesus debate,
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on to, Santa is a socialist of 
really giving out gifts to all 

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implying, both kindness and 
equality Progressive values. 

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How do you respond? 
Well again, I mean these people 

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just don't understand any 
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mandated or prohibited. 
They just believe those are the 

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two categories into which Every 
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but of course, Is no Santa 
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and economically, a little 
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He gives away gifts for free. 
And in fact, if you want to 

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watch a great libertarian show 
about, Santa Claus. 

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Look at Santa Claus is Coming to
Town the one that starts out. 

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I think with maybe Fred Astaire 
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know, we got Burgermeister 
meisterburger. 

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Prohibiting toys. 
Okay, not far from prohibiting. 

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Again, you know a completely, 
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people activity and Santa Claus 
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The system. 
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government responds, just the 
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know, it, harsher and harsher 
must measures to prohibit people

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from getting the toys people 
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At one point in the spend, this 
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actually breaks down somebody's 
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Grade, you know, the children 
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I mean, wow, what a great 
message and then the end, you 

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know, there's a happy ending. 
I think the narrator says, well,

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eventually the good people of 
sombertown learned that the 

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Burgermeister is rules were 
really idiotic and you know, 

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they got rid of them. 
Well, I wish we'd get that 

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smart. 
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to see all the protests in 
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Granted. 
It's devastating to see what But

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what ignites them in in the 
first place, it was also great 

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sanitation workers. 
Taking a bunch of trash, 

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throwing it into De Blasio's 
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We get what we do. 
Get some of this rebellious 

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Spirit against blatantly 
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What do you think? 
People can learn if they are 

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curious or if their hearts are 
sort of, tugging them against 

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the lock downs, but they're also
being pulled in the direction of

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God. 
If I just obey my life's going 

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to be so much easier. 
Ji'er, what can they learn from 

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the message of the Gospel? 
Jesus, or the Bible in general? 

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Well, he bucked heads. 
With the government. 

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He had to die for. 
It are our founding fathers and 

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maybe the only Justified war in 
American history, got invaded 

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and a lot of them had to die for
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We don't have to Die For Freedom
today. 

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I mean, all it takes is a little
Disobedience. 

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And believe me, these bullies 
have no spine there. 

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Nothing like the British who at 
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Came in and backed up. 
There there edicts with Force. 

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You say no. 
We may have to take some 

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inconvenience. 
And that's really what it is. 

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We may have to you know, not 
patronize businesses that are 

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going to go along with this. 
Is that fair to the businesses 

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know. 
Hey life's not fair. 

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We got to start resisting and 
you're going to find that. 

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There's very little ability for 
the government to enforce things

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like mask, mandates and vaccine 
mandates. 

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If you Resist. 
They don't have the resources, 

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local Town officials. 
And a lot of places including 

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here and you know, the People's 
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We've got Town supervisor 
saying. 

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I'm not enforcing this all over 
the place County executive's. 

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We're not going to enforce this.
So you've got to get behind that

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and you may have to take a 
little bit of economic pain and 

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maybe a little inconvenience, 
but you're not going to have to 

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take a bullet for it. 
You know, we've got to stand up.

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It's Time to say, no. 
What is the thesis of your book?

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Where do conservatives and 
liberals come from? 

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Well, the book really takes a 
look at the two philosophies. 

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You know, we always hear the 
problem that for Republicans. 

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We just didn't elect a real 
Republican. 

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They're all rhinos. 
They're not real conservatives. 

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So apparently, the only real 
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was Calvin Coolidge. 
And other than that, we've just,

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you know, everyone else has been
a rhino and there's there's a 

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similar on the, on the left, you
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Real Progressive, a real 
liberal, you know, Barack Obama.

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He was to capitalist Joe Biden's
to moderate. 

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And and what I argue in the book
is know when you look at the 

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Philosopher's that, you know, 
these people parrot everyday 

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when you listen to the left, 
you're hearing John Jacques 

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Rousseau, I mean word, for word 
every day. 

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Not so, not as much Karl Marx, 
it's really more Russo. 

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When you hear the right, you're 
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And they don't like to hear 
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They say, oh no, I'm more with 
Edwin Burke. 

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Well, I have bad news for you. 
Edmund, Burke agreed with 

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Thomas, Hobbes on just about 
everything. 

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He did have a very, you know, 
significant difference in how 

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the government should be set up,
shouldn't be one, Central 

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Authority with all the power. 
But other than that, I mean, the

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purpose of the government to 
thwart our Liberty because we're

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so depraved that allowing us to 
be free would, you know, result 

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in chaos and and Savagery now 
Burke was lockstep with Hobbes 

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on that right in the revolution 
Reflections on the revolution in

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France. 
And it's not so important that 

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these enlightened been people, 
wrote these things, what's 

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important. 
As you can see this thinking 

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every day, why will the 
conservative back? 

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The police, no matter how 
ridiculous the situation might 

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be. 
They really believe that if we 

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don't, we're going to be in 
chaos that there's absolutely 

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nothing called spontaneous. 
Aeneas order and also in trade. 

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No, tariffs are a very core 
conservative thing because like 

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Hobbes they see, everything is a
war and trade, there's a winner 

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and a loser. 
What did what did Donald Trump 

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win on? 
We're not winning anymore. 

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Okay. 
Nobody wins in a voluntary 

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exchange. 
Okay, there's Mutual benefit or 

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they don't make the exchange. 
So, you know, I don't want to 

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pick on the right too much. 
The left is just as bad. 

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They don't believe in property. 
Our ship and that's his anti 

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nature. 
And as anti common senses as 

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possible. 
There is no such thing as 

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freedom, without 
private-property starting with 

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self-ownership, but including 
and absolutely necessary 

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ownership of the fruits of your 
labor. 

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You have to have that or you 
can't have freedom. 

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Well, it's like this Hassan 
piker worldview of private 

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property is terrible. 
It gives too much power and 

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influence to too few people also
the Ermine tones, the entire 

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country and everyone in it. 
Okay. 

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Well, doesn't that just 
completely violate the first 

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principle to pretended to have 
like 10 seconds ago, or even 

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even the right will say Neville 
Chamberlain. 

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The one thing we learned from 
him is that appeasement doesn't 

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work and it's really important. 
You blindly obey the police and 

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the politicians whenever they 
tell you to do something Larry 

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Elder who was so good on so many
issues says, you know, if you 

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don't want to die just obey the 
cops hand a tenant. 

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Do what they say Sam Harris 
going as far as to say, you 

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know, this whole, you know, 
Sovereign citizen cult. 

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It's like look, you get pulled 
over on a Tuesday, instead of 

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complaining. 
What worry about your rights on 

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a Wednesday. 
He said that, I mean just 

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unbelievable. 
The whole point in mentioning 

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that is there is an idea that 
freedom is selfish. 

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So me saying, excuse me officer.
Well, I'm kind of being uppity, 

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not caring about everyone else 
in this state and the payers and

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the people that I live amongst. 
I'm just caring about myself 

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there. 
For freedom is selfish. 

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How do you respond? 
Well, of course, they don't 

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nobody, who runs for public 
office has ever selfish, right? 

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I mean, no. 
No, the corporations that they, 

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that they make special 
regulations for. 

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So my company has a, an 
artificial advantage over yours.

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That's not selfish. 
I mean, I mean, come on this. 

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This is childish type behavior. 
And I mean, you could just say 

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look, I don't agree with the 
Declaration of Independence, 

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which says that the government's
there to secure our rights, the 

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rights that already. 
Exist before we even form the 

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government. 
Now, you could disagree with 

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that. 
But why is it? 

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I that have to move to Somalia? 
Why don't you move to Somalia or

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moved to Sweden or move to 
France or wherever you think 

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they're doing it? 
Right? 

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I mean our country was founded 
on this idea and these 

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conservative and liberal 
philosophies are pretty foreign 

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to that idea. 
As far as property goes, all 

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property is ultimately private. 
If you're eating food, that That

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is private property. 
Even in Soviet Russia, people 

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ate food or they would have 
died. 

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And so at some point you have to
take possession of physical 

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Goods. 
You have to exclude, you know, 

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the own the disposition, by 
anybody else. 

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Okay. 
And have to act completely 

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selfishly over those goods. 
So the only question really is, 

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how do they come into your 
possession? 

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And if you say well the 
government decides, well, why is

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that? 
Better than a voluntary 

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transaction where I, I get from 
you, something that you have an 

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exchange for something. 
You want that? 

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I have no rational person could 
think that, you know, people 

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with guns, just, you know, 
seizing things and deciding, how

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to hand them out is going to be 
better. 

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So it's a completely vapid 
argument and you know, all you 

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have to do is really talk it 
through to yourself and you'll 

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come to the conclusion that, you
know, there's nothing to this. 

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Yeah, but because you can't even
defend the, it's okay to steal 

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argument because the second the 
government has taken the 

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trillions of dollars while it's 
wrong for them to exclude. 

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Anyone from taking that money. 
So we should take it from them 

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and then it should be taken from
us. 

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And the only right thing to do 
is for everyone to be constantly

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stealing from one another. 
They'll say it's terrible to 

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have tons of money. 
So the state should take 

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trillions and then exclude 
everyone and then according to 

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whatever laws regulations. 
Ins or new plans? 

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It has well, then it can spend 
the money on those things, but 

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then we could just steal, we can
just go occupy the DMV, we can 

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go into OSHA and we can just 
take all their computers because

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that are you saying we should be
forcibly excluded from property.

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I mean, I mean, they have such 
high standards for the average 

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person, but q and on is 
irrational, Russia, gate. 

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Now almost starting a war with a
nuclear power, bam, whatever. 

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No one's perfect. 
They Were wrong. 

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Every network was wrong for 
three years and and they don't 

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care. 
The the double standard they 

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have is is just incredible. 
If you look at the Encyclopedia 

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of Wars, they cite about 1763 
Wars between 8000 BC and 2000 ad

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about 6.9 or about 7% of the 
wars were religious wars about 

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93% involved governments. 
How has the scam that Jin is the

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cause of War been foisted on the
public when it's so obviously 

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could be religion but as most 
often government. 

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Well, I certainly most religions
advocate for peace. 

453
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Now, of course, governments can 
use religion and twist their 

454
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:23,200
teachings. 
And even, you know, line up with

455
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,800
the administration of religions,
as you know, some of the early 

456
00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:32,500
Roman Empire a did I should say 
late Roman emperors in the late 

457
00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:36,600
Empire, after Constantine, you 
know, they kind of used religion

458
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,000
by this conquer that certainly 
pretty foreign to Jesus message,

459
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,100
who didn't even Even want Peter 
to defend his abs person with 

460
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:48,600
the sword. 
So, ya know, it's always the 

461
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,700
government and it's kind of a 
parallel to all the big 

462
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:53,600
corporations or bad. 
Okay. 

463
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,900
So the big corporations use the 
government to, you know, get 

464
00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:01,500
loopholes for themselves, give 
them in a cell's, an advantage 

465
00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:05,100
over their competitors, you 
know, rig the game, so to speak.

466
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:07,300
Well, that's only because the 
government's there, the 

467
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:10,500
government created that 
opportunity and not to be an 

468
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:14,400
apologist for Bezels or 
whomever, but if you don't play 

469
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,600
the game, then you lose. 
So you either just don't go into

470
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,700
business or you kind of got to 
play by the rules, or your 

471
00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:23,700
competitors will. 
So it's always the government. 

472
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:26,500
If you didn't have the 
government, then religion could 

473
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:30,000
never be an evil thing and 
obviously, Commerce could never 

474
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,100
be an evil thing. 
Yeah, it would certainly make it

475
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:35,700
much more costly for you to be 
evil. 

476
00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:40,400
You'd have both competitors and 
people wouldn't see you as oh. 

477
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,000
This guy has A badge. 
So all right. 

478
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,000
Yeah get you can shoot a couple 
bullets through with it through 

479
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,800
towns. 
So long as it's overseas and so 

480
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,300
long as you do it while you're 
wearing camouflage and and now 

481
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:53,600
it's all okay. 
We're going to come home and 

482
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,400
have a parade for you. 
Tom Woods has a great quote. 

483
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,100
He says, libertarianism, is 
cultish. 

484
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,700
Say the sophisticates. 
Of course, there's nothing 

485
00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:04,000
called the shit all about 
allegiance to the state. 

486
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,300
With its Flags. 
Its songs, its mass murders. 

487
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:09,600
It's little children saluting 
and paying homage to pictures of

488
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,400
their dear leaders on the wall, 
Etc. 

489
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,900
Do you see that? 
We are in a cold or almost hot 

490
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,800
war against a cult mindset 
called statism? 

491
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,000
Oh my God. 
Yeah, of course. 

492
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,900
We are. 
You the end and the belief. 

493
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,100
That's what I was saying earlier
is, it's just so hard to see how

494
00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:31,000
anyone could believe in this. 
I mean, forget the roads. 

495
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,200
Let's just talk the war on 
poverty for everybody who's 

496
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,100
liberal, who thinks we need the 
government to help the poor. 

497
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:39,500
How have they done? 
It's been 50 years. 

498
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,400
And now you think we have to 
ditch the a whole system and 

499
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,000
start over because the results 
are so bad. 

500
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,600
Well, it's not like you haven't 
given the government a chance. 

501
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,500
It's really been, you know, over
100 years and and for the right,

502
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:55,500
okay, we need the government to 
bring manufacturing back to 

503
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:58,400
America. 
Well, okay, we threw a whole 

504
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,700
bunch of tariffs up in 2018. 
And what happened, the is M, 

505
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:05,900
Manufacturing Index, went in the
toilet. 

506
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:08,600
It was in a recession. 
Nobody pays any attention to 

507
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,200
that, you know, so it's a 
disaster. 

508
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,300
It Works. 
My God, I mean I was so fired 

509
00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:16,400
up. 
That socialism was making a 

510
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,600
comeback. 
I was like, didn't we prove this

511
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,900
wrong in the 20th century 50 
years ago. 

512
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,300
Well, I'll tell you what 
mercantilism. 

513
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:27,500
That's why economics was 
invented and him Smith wrote his

514
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:31,200
Treatise to write against 
tariffs and mercantilism. 

515
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,600
That was his main motivation. 
So I mean, these idiotic ideas 

516
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,100
just keep coming back. 
And here's the here's the catch,

517
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,600
they appeal to your emotions. 
They If they show you some bad 

518
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,100
outcome and they say, here's 
what's going to fix. 

519
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:49,000
It. 
Don't look behind the curtain at

520
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,500
the 44. 
Other times. 

521
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:53,300
We tried this and it was a 
disaster every time now, it's 

522
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,000
going to work this time. 
We just didn't do it right. 

523
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,500
Last time. 
We didn't erect. 

524
00:28:56,500 --> 00:29:00,900
The the are elect the right 
bureaucrats to to manage it. 

525
00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:04,700
So, you know, we've got to yeah,
we are fighting a cult and we're

526
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:08,000
fighting a goofy call. 
I mean, not even like, you know,

527
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,700
something that has some 
plausibility, we're fighting the

528
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:13,200
kind of call. 
We're like I said, people are 

529
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,200
fishing through entrails and you
know, looking for the answers 

530
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,000
there. 
It's that bad. 

531
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,400
I know it's like I never see a 
gents a key, press conference 

532
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,500
and go. 
Oh God II got to get a phone 

533
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:28,500
call with the other guys from 
The Institute. 

534
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:31,400
We got to go over this and see 
if we could poke any holes in 

535
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,700
this. 
It's like you could just do a 

536
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:36,700
livestream as she's doing it at 
any point in your day and refute

537
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,100
all the nonsense. 
She says she went as far as to 

538
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,600
say the three trillion. 
The three point five trillion 

539
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,400
dollar build back better, which 
was their first version not the 

540
00:29:45,408 --> 00:29:48,300
one that just passed. 
It's going to cost zero dollars.

541
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:49,900
And then she did this to the 
camera. 

542
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:53,900
She put this circle in the air 
to indicate it and then Pelosi 

543
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,200
did the same thing like this as 
if it was perfectly coordinated.

544
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:01,400
And then Joe Biden's Twitter 
account on the same day tweets 

545
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,300
out the same thing. 
So they think that like 

546
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:07,700
literally two plus two equals 
five is the propaganda joke, 

547
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:11,000
they are literally saying, three
point five trillion equals zero,

548
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000
and they We have ways to pay for
it. 

549
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:15,800
Do you not know what it cost is 
like? 

550
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:20,200
It didn't cost me anything. 
I just paid for with my savings 

551
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,700
account. 
Well, that's a cost. 

552
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:24,800
That's a cost. 
So I love the point about where 

553
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,100
it's not just a cult. 
It's a very weak one. 

554
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,900
And that should give us an 
indicator as to how much these 

555
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,400
people are willing to enforce. 
So, let's just take lockdown, 

556
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,300
edicts. 
For example, are there really 

557
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:39,900
officers and people in the 
military saying I'm going to, 

558
00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:43,000
I'm going to risk. 
My life and die for Joe Biden. 

559
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,200
That speech was so terrific or, 
you know, Nancy Pelosi really 

560
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,600
made some convincing arguments 
that if I have to kill 50,000 

561
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,000
people. 
It's like, I'm doing it for the 

562
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,700
paycheck. 
If five people resist. 

563
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:58,800
If, if my wife starts, you know,
nagging me about, you know, 

564
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,500
doing a terrible job. 
If my in-laws look down on me, 

565
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,100
I'll probably find something 
else. 

566
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:06,200
Isn't that a little encouraging 
that they're so pathetic? 

567
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,100
They have people like Biden and 
Bush Obama. 

568
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,800
And Bernie as is that there had 
Richmond. 

569
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:17,100
Well, yeah, I mean if we could 
go in a time machine and just 

570
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:21,400
take the transcript from a press
conference with Jen sake. 

571
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,700
Today, we could go back to 
Saturday Night Live and get paid

572
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:26,500
for handing in a set tires 
script. 

573
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:30,300
I mean, it's really that crazy 
and you're starting to see the 

574
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:33,800
wheels come off a little 
because, you know, when you see 

575
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,600
a guy like Bill Maher, yeah, 
he's still mostly, you know, in 

576
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,300
the cult. 
But when they go so far beyond 

577
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,500
Anything like reality, you know,
a guy like him, start to say, 

578
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,200
wait a minute. 
This is getting out of hand. 

579
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,300
You know, know America is not 
more racist than it was in the 

580
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:55,100
1960s. 
When the Ku Klux Klan used to 

581
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:58,800
have rallies on the National 
Mall and get interviewed by news

582
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,400
stations. 
Like they were some kind of 

583
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,500
legitimate, you know, political 
organization. 

584
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:05,600
You know it? 
No, that's that's just can't be 

585
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,800
true. 
And you know, I'm hoping that 

586
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,300
they'll just keep getting more 
ridiculous. 

587
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:15,300
That's because you are starting 
to see people say I'm just not 

588
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:18,800
going along anymore. 
Even even elected officials and 

589
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,600
we shouldn't put too much faith 
in them. 

590
00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:24,300
But there are some especially at
the local level here, the more 

591
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:29,800
local you get the more real even
an elected official is and I 

592
00:32:29,808 --> 00:32:33,100
it's got a real quick antidote. 
I used to work in the healthcare

593
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:34,800
industry. 
All during the 1990s. 

594
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,500
I work for a couple of those 
evil hmos and it was the first 

595
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:43,700
kind of brush I had with the 
Regulatory system, and I, and 

596
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:45,900
before I ever even heard the 
word, libertarian. 

597
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:50,500
I formed this hypothesis that, 
you know, the government's are 

598
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:53,900
always incompetent. 
But as you go up the ladder, 

599
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:57,000
like the state government is 
more incompetent than the County

600
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,900
government and the federal 
government. 

601
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:01,300
When I once I ran into those 
people, I was like, you got to 

602
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:03,500
be kidding me. 
They're, they're just off the 

603
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:04,300
charts. 
Now. 

604
00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:08,100
This is like 1995. 
I'm talking about when I was in 

605
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:12,600
management at an HMO and they 
were, you know, We, you know, 

606
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,900
give our life's blood, they have
those bureaucrats back in place 

607
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:19,400
of the ones we have now, so they
just keep getting worse, but you

608
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,000
can do some stuff at the local 
level and I'd encourage people, 

609
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,300
even anarchists like me, run for
Town supervisor. 

610
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,400
If you think he could win, you 
got a lot of power there to say 

611
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,700
no. 
Yeah, yeah, definitely showing 

612
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:38,400
up in person to those places. 
That's definitely where a lot of

613
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,700
sort of intellectual energy is 
so you can look at the number of

614
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:47,500
people who are, you know, as 
social justice advocacy, as the 

615
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:50,900
gap or Ben & Jerry's, or a lot 
of these corporations try to be 

616
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:53,200
on their social media is very 
few. 

617
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:56,300
The point is, is that these 
people are the one sort of 

618
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:59,200
creating the narrative. 
They're the ones really standing

619
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,100
up for something and making it. 
Our for corporations to sort of 

620
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:06,900
take their side and create the 
idea in the populace that this 

621
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,699
is something legitimate. 
This is where our power should 

622
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:13,500
be, should be focused. 
So by talking to the people at 

623
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:16,699
least willing, to show up to say
something like, you know, Town 

624
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:19,699
Council or something like that. 
At least you're kidding into the

625
00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:21,699
minds of the people who are sort
of caring. 

626
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,199
Like if you're going to change 
some Minds, you'd want to 

627
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,000
allocate your time. 
They're probably rather than the

628
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,300
average person who is not too 
interested. 

629
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:31,500
I could be wrong. 
About that. 

630
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:34,300
I'm totally open to being wrong.
This comes from me attending a 

631
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:36,400
lot of the school board 
meetings. 

632
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,000
A few years ago. 
I want to say it was like 2015 

633
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,100
in in Arizona, some of the best 
conversations. 

634
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:46,600
I'd have were at these school 
board meetings with people 

635
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,500
believe it or not, on both 
sides. 

636
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:50,800
When there's not a camera and 
there's not a lot of pressure in

637
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,800
someone's face. 
They're actually willing to open

638
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,600
up their minds and they say, you
know, what, this, this 

639
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,800
libertarian guy Ron Paul. 
I thought it was so stupid, but,

640
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:02,800
you know, it seems like he was 
Write about but just foreign 

641
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,500
policy and the war on drugs and 
just the welfare state, 

642
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,100
everything else, though. 
They're that they're wrong about

643
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:11,200
and but actually the more I talk
these people seem to have, you 

644
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,600
know, some good arguments just 
asking them. 

645
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,200
Well, if we have the right to 
opt out of you know, Catholic 

646
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,300
Church education. 
Shouldn't we just have the same 

647
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,000
principle for government? 
Not anti-teacher. 

648
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000
I don't hate you guys. 
I'm just saying, shouldn't we 

649
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,100
just have the same principle for
both? 

650
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,600
But both systems everyone on the
five, chair panel was looking at

651
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,300
each other and and they said 
that's something that we're 

652
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:35,800
going to address later. 
And of course they never did. 

653
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,400
The point is, is at least it 
planted that seed. 

654
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,700
So I just went on that little 
tirade because I know people are

655
00:35:42,707 --> 00:35:44,700
going to say Town Council 
legitimized. 

656
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:45,900
The state. 
Are you crazy? 

657
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:50,700
Unsubscribe? 
All right, Tom, you have two 

658
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:53,400
other books. 
Just give me a quick thesis on 

659
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,200
whatever happened to life, 
liberty, and the pursuit of 

660
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,100
happiness. 
Well, yeah again that is the one

661
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:02,300
that tries to explain that. 
Look at the conservative, the 

662
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:06,300
real conservative philosophy, 
the true blue, you know, Edmund 

663
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:09,900
Burke philosophy is not 
consistent with the Declaration 

664
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,600
of Independence. 
It Edmund Burke did not believe 

665
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,000
that, we have natural rights 
that we keep and carry into 

666
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,600
society. 
And that's the government's job 

667
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,500
to secure those rights. 
He says. 

668
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,900
So, right in the wreckage 
Recollections, on the revolution

669
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:28,800
in France, okay. 
And the liberal philosophy based

670
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,000
on Jean-Jacques Rousseau and you
know, once you read Rousseau, 

671
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,200
you can never unknow, read it 
because you will hear 

672
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,800
word-for-word quotes from him 
every day by Elizabeth Warren. 

673
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,100
Barack Obama Alexandria. 
Ocasio, Cortez, that's, I'm not 

674
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:48,400
saying that they're carrying 
around his book in their back 

675
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,000
pocket, but they think 
identically to him, and what did

676
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,600
he say that in order to have a 
society, you need to have the 

677
00:36:56,700 --> 00:37:00,800
Pleat alienation of the inventor
of the individual, and all of 

678
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,300
his natural rights and 
submission to the general will. 

679
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,100
So you can't have inalienable 
rights and alienate them all at 

680
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:12,400
the same time. 
It's completely antithetical to 

681
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,200
the Declaration of Independence 
as well, which was really based 

682
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,800
on, you know, channeling, John 
Locke. 

683
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,700
And he's the founder of 
libertarianism to me and I know,

684
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,700
you know, same thing, everyone's
going to unsubscribe. 

685
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:26,600
He wanted a government. 
He wanted a monarchy. 

686
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:30,600
Yeah, I mean when you're 
breaking new ground, you you 

687
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,000
don't, you know, realize all of 
the implications of the 

688
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,800
principles you set down. 
But if you believe in self 

689
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,800
ownership you believe in the 
non-aggression principle. 

690
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,000
This is all lock. 
This is the guy that that 

691
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,500
crystallized it more than anyone
else before or after or at least

692
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:51,800
until Murray rothbard. 
So the book there is to try to 

693
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,400
convince people that if you 
believe in Freedom, you really 

694
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,200
got to ditch. 
These philosophies and adopt 

695
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,800
hours. 
Is there any sense in which that

696
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,600
could almost rip someone of 
their identity and give them a 

697
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,000
disincentive? 
So couldn't we also say that but

698
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,300
Burke's idea of the general will
and the desire for a collective 

699
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:20,100
will to be achieved couldn't we 
take that principle and say sure

700
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,900
and the general will can be 
achieved through any of the 

701
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:26,100
millions of voluntary Mutual 
Aid, associations that could 

702
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:28,500
exist. 
So long as people have the right

703
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:30,000
to opt out we could say that 
government. 

704
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,100
It is the first organization we 
get cross off the list of 

705
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:36,300
promoting the general will 
because generally they would get

706
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:38,500
our funding and participation 
voluntarily. 

707
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,700
So what we can cross them off 
the list other than that. 

708
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:43,100
Yeah. 
I love the general will Mutual 

709
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:46,300
Aid, churches, book clubs. 
All these other ways. 

710
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:50,200
We could voluntarily cooperate. 
Do you think it could be 

711
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:53,800
beneficial to accept their 
premises and come to different 

712
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,500
conclusions? 
Or should we say? 

713
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:57,900
Hey we got to cut this tree off 
at the root. 

714
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:02,800
Well, it's I think you're 
speaking with Russo is, the 

715
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,500
general will guy Burke has his 
own issues. 

716
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:10,700
But but I think you really have 
to confront this whole idea of a

717
00:39:10,707 --> 00:39:12,600
general rule. 
There's no such thing. 

718
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:14,900
I mean, there's no such thing as
a common good. 

719
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:19,200
That's the whole idea behind the
right to pursue your happiness. 

720
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,400
Why do we need a separate right 
from Liberty? 

721
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,500
The through the pursuit of 
happiness, the whole idea about 

722
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:29,000
that is, everybody's happiness, 
is different, and it's not 

723
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,900
necessarily just between Real 
wealth. 

724
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:32,800
I mean, I'm not all that 
interested in that. 

725
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:37,200
I do like the enough material 
wealth to pursue the things I 

726
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,700
want to do and not always be 
working to serve others, but we 

727
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:45,500
have to, you know, confront the 
reality that there's no there 

728
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:48,400
never has been. 
And there never will be a 

729
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,300
general will know American 
leader was ever elected by a 

730
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,600
majority of the population, 
including in the last election. 

731
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:59,000
If Joe Biden did indeed, get 80 
million votes. 

732
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,800
That's about a Fourth of the 
population. 

733
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,400
Okay, so and believe me, 
everybody who voted with Joe 

734
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,500
Biden? 
Does not agree with everything 

735
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:10,200
that comes out of Joe Biden's 
mouth. 

736
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,500
So, when he has a particular 
policy, no, it's not even 80 

737
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:16,200
million. 
People voted for that. 

738
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,200
So, it's just a concept that 
people have to get past. 

739
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:24,100
We got to confront that. 
And, you know, again, recognize 

740
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:28,600
you can't have freedom if your 
will has to be the same as 

741
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,800
everyone else's. 
The opposite of freedom, but if 

742
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,500
there's no such thing as 
Freedom, if you've got to, you 

743
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:36,300
know, follow somebody else's 
will. 

744
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:39,600
What if Freedom isn't what 
motivates people, what if it's 

745
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:43,000
safety, how you talk to someone 
who says, you know, I just want 

746
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,500
to be safe and secure. 
I don't really care about 

747
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:49,600
Freedom. 
Well, you know, why don't you 

748
00:40:49,607 --> 00:40:51,500
move to Somalia? 
I mean, they've got a government

749
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:51,900
again. 
No. 

750
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:54,700
No, I'm kidding. 
Yeah, really, but but but think 

751
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:57,900
about how safe, the government 
has kept, you know, you've got, 

752
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:01,300
let's just say the FDA, okay. 
They're supposed to make drugs 

753
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:04,200
safe. 
And even before this whole covid

754
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,600
disaster started. 
I mean, they have thousands and 

755
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,100
thousands of drugs on their 
waiting list to be approved. 

756
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:14,800
By the way. 
The last time I checked Germany 

757
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,500
had like two dozen. 
So there are a lot Freer than we

758
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:19,600
are in that respect. 
Why are they doing this? 

759
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,900
Do you really believe that 
they're concerned about Public 

760
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:24,000
Safety? 
Or could it be that the 

761
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,100
established pharmaceutical 
companies, who already have 

762
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:29,600
products out there selling don't
want more. 

763
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:33,400
Mission, you know, you really 
have to decide for yourself. 

764
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,100
What's more plausible? 
How gullible are you? 

765
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,500
Now? 
Every drug that's been kept off 

766
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:43,100
the market, by the FDA has 
resulted in somebody dying, who 

767
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:45,700
could have been saved or at 
least somebody, you know, who 

768
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:49,300
got seriously ill, that could 
have been not seriously. 

769
00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:54,900
Ill, that whole EpiPen disaster.
Okay, that was all because there

770
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:58,100
were many other competitors that
the FDA wouldn't approve. 

771
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:01,100
And when you look at the 
reasons, That they answered that

772
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:04,100
question with for why those 
those other Solutions weren't 

773
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:06,400
approved. 
No reasonable person. 

774
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,500
Could believe all this had to be
kept off the market because the 

775
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,200
delivery system was different. 
Come on. 

776
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,900
It's because the company that 
owned, the EpiPen had influenced

777
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:18,000
with the FDA. 
I'm just talking about one 

778
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,100
little agency and let's not 
forget. 

779
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:23,800
They can draft, you send you to 
Afghanistan for you know, God 

780
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,700
knows how many years and get you
killed over nothing and that 

781
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:30,500
goes for sending us to sir. 
Bia. 

782
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:34,100
Or, I think we only bombed 
Serbia, I'm sorry, or Iraq, or, 

783
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:37,700
Vietnam, or Korea? 
My dad was a Korean War veteran 

784
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,600
and I'll tell you what, by the 
end of his life. 

785
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,200
He said, he said this, he died 
on Veterans Day. 

786
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:46,700
He said, we should have marched 
on Washington, d.c. 

787
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:49,700
Instead of soul. 
And this guy was his true, blue,

788
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:54,600
American rah-rah Veteran. 
As you can imagine that reading 

789
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,000
the newspaper turned him around 
on that. 

790
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,200
So the government's not keeping 
you safe. 

791
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,900
You'd be a lot to say. 
For without it. 

792
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:03,000
I could give 40 million 
examples. 

793
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,200
II. 
Love that answer because it 

794
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,300
doesn't say I'll just screw 
safety freedoms more important. 

795
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:13,400
You just take their premise and 
apply it, you know, logically 

796
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,700
using the economic examples of. 
Yeah, I love safety. 

797
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,500
I'm more crazy about safety than
you are. 

798
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:23,700
That's why I support achieving 
our safety through voluntarily 

799
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:26,700
funded competing organizations. 
Instead of one Monopoly 

800
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:29,800
organization, that Lon horyuji 
murders. 

801
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,100
Vicki Weaver shoots at Waco 
survivors and then gets up. 

802
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,300
Pension. 
Yeah, but that's not exactly the

803
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:37,800
beacon of safety. 
That that you think it is. 

804
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaking of safety. 
Let's talk about the good War, a

805
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,000
book. 
You and I both love cap. 

806
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,700
You cannons, Churchill Hitler, 
and the unnecessary War, how 

807
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:48,300
Britain lost its Empire in the 
Hostile world? 

808
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,300
What is the big takeaway from 
this book? 

809
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:52,100
And why do you love it as much 
as I do? 

810
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,300
Well, I should preface it by 
saying, get off Pat Buchanan. 

811
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,100
We're sitting next to us. 
He'd probably have hit both of 

812
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:02,100
us over the head with his chair 
by now, because he doesn't 

813
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,000
really agree with us on A lot of
things. 

814
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:08,000
But boy, is he ever great on on 
foreign policy? 

815
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,900
And, you know, whenever we say, 
you know, we shouldn't invade 

816
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:15,600
some poor, third world World, 
third world Backwater with some 

817
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,300
tin pot dictator. 
Who's the latest Hitler, you 

818
00:44:18,308 --> 00:44:21,300
know, they're all Hitler. 
It's a 44 neoconservatives. 

819
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:24,300
It's always 1938. 
We're always, you know, like you

820
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,300
said before, we can't appeal is 
him. 

821
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:29,300
Saddam Hussein could take over 
the world, right? 

822
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:33,100
Okay, you know, but it always 
goes back to World War. 

823
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,900
To well, that was the good War. 
Well, maybe it wasn't and maybe 

824
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:40,700
it could have been avoided and 
it is a complicated question. 

825
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:44,500
But what Buchanan says in his 
book and he's not so much 

826
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:48,300
placing the blame in the United 
States as he is on England, 

827
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:52,400
giving a war guarantee to 
Poland, which they reneged on. 

828
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,100
They did not follow through with
that little intervention. 

829
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,000
He kept Poland from kind of 
negotiating with Hitler now. 

830
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,600
Look there. 
No solution for Hitler, that was

831
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,800
going to be painless or good, 
but we could have had a better 

832
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,500
solution. 
And what was that? 

833
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,100
Maybe they give Hitler, what was
called at the time? 

834
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:18,400
I think Danzig. 
It's today called Gdansk and for

835
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,600
Germans and poles, who are like,
you know, crying over my 

836
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,300
pronunciation. 
I apologize. 

837
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,600
So he gets that city, which was 
had already voted. 

838
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,100
Like, the recent vote in Crimea 
to go back to Germany. 

839
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:35,500
And what does he do next? 
He's going to march on on 

840
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:37,100
Russia. 
I mean, that was what he had 

841
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:39,900
been saying ever since mine. 
Comped. 

842
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:43,500
Germany has to expand Eastward. 
He wanted the Ukraine. 

843
00:45:43,900 --> 00:45:46,800
Okay, it's not a great thing 
that he has this. 

844
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,300
Bloody war with the Soviets and 
tens of millions of dollars died

845
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:54,000
there. 
But we had that anyway, in World

846
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,900
War Two, what might have been 
avoided was the Soviets taking 

847
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:02,600
over half of Europe, killing 
many, many times more people 

848
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:06,700
than the Germans and subjecting 
half of Europe, to 46 years of 

849
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,000
slavery, maybe that could have 
been avoided. 

850
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,100
If england, didn't act like the 
United States does now and poke 

851
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:17,200
its nose in there and make a 
promise that couldn't keep 

852
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,800
because they promised to defend 
Poland and them when were Hitler

853
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,200
invaded. 
They didn't do it anyway, so, 

854
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,000
you know and then we got this 
big huge World War. 

855
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,800
So I'm sure there's a million 
arguments, you know where 

856
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,700
people, because they'll come on,
come on and believe me. 

857
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:34,600
There's a good argument that 
That the, that the world war 

858
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,700
could have been avoided. 
Every war can be avoided. 

859
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:41,200
And, you know, we should not be 
conned into the next one which 

860
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,600
might involve China and Russia. 
Exactly. 

861
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,900
Yeah, in 1999. 
Buchanan talks about in a gosh, 

862
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,800
his book is titled a republic, 
not an Empire. 

863
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:54,900
And he talks about foreign 
policy bankruptcy and it's the 

864
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:59,200
idea that look at the foreign 
policy as you would a balance 

865
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,600
sheet of here are my costs. 
Here's my income. 

866
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:04,500
Here's what? 
Can afford and here are my 

867
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:07,600
potential expenditures. 
He goes, you know, that if like 

868
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:11,700
any country gets invaded, 
there's almost some sort of 

869
00:47:11,707 --> 00:47:13,600
Allegiance. 
We have to go fight a war on 

870
00:47:13,607 --> 00:47:16,300
their behalf. 
Whether it's against China or 

871
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:19,600
Russia, we're having. 
And you know today of course 

872
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:25,000
even say 299, but he said NATO 
wasn't able between 2003 and 

873
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,100
2021. 
To keep the Taliban out of 

874
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:31,900
Afghanistan. 
Iraq, was not the success that 

875
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:34,300
we thought it would be. 
Bill kristol said, it was going 

876
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:37,700
to be about a two-month War. 
So what do you think about, you 

877
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:40,100
know, protecting all of Europe 
or Ukraine? 

878
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,800
They're talking about bringing 
Ukraine into NATO after they had

879
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,900
promised in 91, James Baker, 
promise to Nato would not expand

880
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:50,900
Eastward because there's no more
Soviet Union, there's nothing to

881
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:53,800
do and then they bring in, you 
know, Hungary and Poland and 

882
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,200
Slovakia and Slovenia with 
Macedonia. 

883
00:47:56,500 --> 00:48:00,600
It's like they constantly are 
just pushing for this war to 

884
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,600
happen. 
They need this enemy in To 

885
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,100
survive, you can and summarizes 
his work saying on September 1st

886
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:12,200
1939. 70 years ago, the German 
Army crossed the Polish Frontier

887
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:15,600
on September 3rd, Britain 
declared war six years later, 50

888
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,800
million Christians and Jews had 
perished Britain was broken and 

889
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,500
bankrupt, Germany. 
A smoldering ruin Europe. 

890
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:24,000
Had served as the site of the 
most murderous combat known to 

891
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,600
man and civilians had suffered 
worse whores, then the soldiers 

892
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,700
by May 1945, Red Army hordes 
occupied all the great capitals 

893
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:35,100
of Central Europe be in. 
The Prague Budapest Berlin, 100 

894
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:37,400
million Christians were under 
the heel of the most barbarous 

895
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,200
tyranny in history. 
The Bolshevik regime of under 

896
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,100
the regime, of the greatest, 
terrorist of them all Joseph 

897
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:46,100
Stalin. 
What could justify these 

898
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:48,200
sacrifices? 
Not to mention the Korean War, 

899
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,500
which came after as a result of 
communist popularity. 

900
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:55,200
Also the war in Vietnam and 
expansion into China with the 

901
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:58,000
Communist Party, having more 
power against Chiang Kai-shek 

902
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,900
than it otherwise would have. 
So this is the good War. 

903
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,700
This is the one that they brag 
about. 

904
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:05,100
That's you. 
Reason I mention it all all the 

905
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:07,400
time. 
Last question, Tom, any more 

906
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,600
ideas on any more ideas on 
short-term Solutions and 

907
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,000
long-term Solutions in the fight
for freedom and voluntourism. 

908
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,900
Well, you know, I I've always 
said, you know, you could, you 

909
00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:26,000
could get little wins, you could
get, you can trick the state, 

910
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,600
you can find a loophole, 
whatever. 

911
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,300
And those are all great. 
And every single person who 

912
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:35,300
finds every one of them, I Add 
them, but in the end, we really 

913
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:38,600
have to break the spell. 
We have to change people's 

914
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,400
thinking and in order to have 
the kind of society. 

915
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,800
We want most people have to 
think our way or at least a 

916
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,400
significant minority of people 
have to think our way. 

917
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,900
So I'm a big homeschooling 
Advocate. 

918
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:56,200
I think that there's a big 
opportunity right now. 

919
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:58,700
Now that parents know what 
they're teaching their kids in 

920
00:49:58,700 --> 00:50:00,800
school. 
Plus the fact that they don't 

921
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,000
care about masking them. 
They don't care about 

922
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,200
Vaccinating them for a disease 
that poses no risk to Children 

923
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,600
whatsoever. 
There. 

924
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,900
Can't be any public health 
motivation behind that, that's 

925
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:17,000
all corruption. 
So we have an opportunity to say

926
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,000
look, pull your kids out. 
And, you know, what happened 

927
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,000
with us is back in when my 
daughter was young, you know, we

928
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,900
did the math and by the time we 
paid for daycare and then, you 

929
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:31,300
know, the cost of want my wife 
at the timer and a little less 

930
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:33,900
money than me. 
So we just Made a decision to go

931
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:37,300
with the higher income. 
When we subtracted, the cost of 

932
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:40,700
that job, the parking, that the 
travel that everything, you 

933
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:44,500
know, the difference started to 
shrink quite a bit and we were 

934
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:47,300
able to pull it off even when we
weren't, you know, by any means 

935
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:51,400
fabulously wealthy, you know, 
really take a hard look at home 

936
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:56,000
schooling because the school 
system, the people who work in 

937
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,100
it, don't even realize they're 
reinforcing this, the statist 

938
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:02,900
religion anymore because they 
were brought up in it. 

939
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,200
So that's one thing and the 
other thing is just, you know, 

940
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,100
what Jefferson called manly 
firmness firmness, and if you 

941
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:14,900
want to call it, womanly 
firmness, or they need firm less

942
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:18,200
or whatever you want to call it.
You know, you just have to say, 

943
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,000
no. 
You don't have to be violent. 

944
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,200
You don't have to be 
belligerent. 

945
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,000
You don't even have to be rude. 
You could just say, no. 

946
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,600
I'm not wearing a mask anymore. 
I'm just not doing it. 

947
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,400
If I if you know, you're going 
to make me, leave your property 

948
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,500
then that's fine. 
I'll take my money and go but 

949
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:35,100
I'm not doing it. 
And you Will not believe how 

950
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:38,700
many people around you agree 
with you and and there's a story

951
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:43,000
in my book and this is a little,
you know, off the present topic 

952
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,000
of covid. 
But back during the war on 

953
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,200
terror and I'm talking, it was 
on Full Steam. 

954
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,200
They were issuing, the orange 
alerts for all those who 

955
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,500
remember those orange alert for 
terrorism? 

956
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:54,700
Today. 
Everybody be on your guard. 

957
00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:00,200
I mean, just complete Mania and 
it was like you would go to an 

958
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,500
airport gate, especially in a 
red state. 

959
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:08,000
And a guy at a military uniform,
we get off the plane and they 

960
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,300
would they would give him a 
standing ovation at the gate. 

961
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,700
Right? 
Who knows if this guy's a clerk 

962
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,200
or whatever, right? 
He's wearing a government 

963
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,400
costume. 
He's a hero. 

964
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,500
Well, I'm waiting to get on the 
plane at the end of a long trip,

965
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:25,400
and as usual, they said, first 
class and Military and uniform, 

966
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,600
or welcome to board. 
And I was just so fed up with 

967
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,900
this, that I decided to utter, 
what is sacrilege to both. 

968
00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:36,300
Both sides of the aisle. 
Now, for the all-powerful state,

969
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:39,400
I said loud enough. 
So everyone could hear me. 

970
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,000
I'm a, I'm a taxpayer uniform. 
Can I get on the plane now? 

971
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:47,800
And swear to God? 
I thought someone was gonna 

972
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,000
punch me and all of a sudden I 
start to hear nervous laughter 

973
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,300
all around me, and it just told 
me something. 

974
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:57,900
It's like I just said something 
that all those people, laughing 

975
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:01,500
are afraid to say, they wish 
they could say it, right? 

976
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:04,600
And this is no joke. 
This is No, happy ending to the 

977
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,600
story of a military guy, and 
uniform came up and thanked me, 

978
00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:11,300
because I hate all this stuff. 
I hate this. 

979
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:13,600
Thank the troops. 
Said, I don't come to your job 

980
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,700
and thank you for going to work.
Well, I don't get, you know, so 

981
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:19,100
believe me. 
There's a lot of support out 

982
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:25,200
there for irreverent, 
irreligious worship of the 

983
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,800
state, you know, have the 
courage to speak up politely. 

984
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,700
However, you want to do it in 
politely, and you're going to 

985
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:34,500
find. 
You got a lot of alleys iíll 

986
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,500
allies out there. 
Thank you everyone for watching 

987
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:40,200
Keith Knight. 
Don't tread on anyone in the 

988
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,200
libertarian Institute. 
Tom Mullen talks Freedom, Tom. 

989
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,000
Thank you for your time, sir. 
Thanks so much for having me on.

990
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:46,800
I appreciate it.