1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,800 Welcome to Keith Knight, Don't tread on anyone in the 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:07,720 Libertarian Institute, Part 2 of my interview with Mr. Molyneux. 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Check out his work at freedomain.com. 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,400 Also if you subscribe to him on Odyssey, you could find his 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,880 complete collection of videos going back more than a decade. 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,760 That is where I watch them. Also available on podcast 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,440 hosting sites as well. Check the link in the 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,000 description below. Mr. Molyneux, What 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,800 differentiates a good philosopher from a bad 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,240 philosopher? Yes, great question. 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,640 Good everyone else, no. So the good philosopher, bad 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,720 philosopher. It's something I did a whole. 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,760 It's a 22 part history of philosopher series for 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,800 subscribers on the show. And one of the things which 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,840 seems like a fairly trivial insight in hindsight, but was 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,720 kind of mind blowing to me at the time, is that there is no 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,760 history of philosophers objectively. 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,680 In other words, there wasn't just this meritocracy of who was 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,760 really good and who wasn't really good, and they just chose 20 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,840 the very best. Like everybody runs a race and 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,960 whoever gets across the finish line, it's like philosophers who 22 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,840 were allowed to speak and philosophers who are allowed to 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,560 be taught, and philosophers who to some degree or another serve 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,280 the powers that be. So one of the reasons I think, 25 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,000 that we know so much about Socrates is that Socrates 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,200 justified the power of the state by saying, hey, if the city 27 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,040 decides to kill me, well, that's fine because the city, I relied 28 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,280 on the laws to survive. I relied on the laws to get my 29 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,760 food and my protection, and the city has protected me from 30 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,560 invasion. And so if the government decides 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,760 to kill me, well, I owe my government the life. 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,640 And therefore my life is for the governments to do as it pleases, 33 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,240 which I actually think was a complete curse. 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,840 I have a whole series of this from like 15 years ago. 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,600 This is a curse on humanity because Socrates says that most 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,280 men are unwise. Most men are fools. 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,680 And people were voting for him. And so he knew that the vote was 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,160 not an act of wisdom, but an act of prejudice and sophistry, 39 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,520 which he directly accused Melitas of, of, of inciting. 40 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,200 So he said as his curse, kill me, fine. 41 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,360 I'll just tell you to obey the state and everything's going to 42 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,000 go great for you going forward. So Socrates is allowed because 43 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,600 of that. So a good philosopher in general 44 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,640 has to start with a completely blank slate and no assumptions 45 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:34,160 whatsoever. You have to return to a state 46 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,240 almost of infancy and say, OK, I have a whole bunch of 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,640 assumptions based upon my empirical experience. 48 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,040 I have been told a whole bunch of moral lessons by people who 49 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,960 are probably corrupt to the core. 50 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:52,800 So what happens if I completely wipe blank my preconceptions and 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,080 start building from reason and evidence in first principles, 52 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,560 accepting every step and having to validate every step. 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,000 So the general pattern is a sort of four part series of dominoes 54 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,600 in good philosophy is you start with metaphysics. 55 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,760 Metaphysics is what is real, what is real, what is true, what 56 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,600 is objective, what exists, what doesn't exist. 57 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,160 How do I, and that's sort of what is what is. 58 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,360 And then you have to go to epistemology, which is a fancy 59 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:22,040 word for the theory of knowledge. 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,840 So if I know what is real, then how do I know that? 61 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,360 And how do I differentiate what is real from the unreal, what is 62 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,400 true from the false? From there you have to go to 63 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,360 ethics because the whole point of philosophy is ethics. 64 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,600 There is philosophy of science, there's philosophy of of 65 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,040 mathematics, there's philosophy of religion. 66 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,120 But the only thing that differentiates philosophy from 67 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,400 all the other disciplines is morality. 68 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,920 So if you're not doing morality, you're not doing philosophy. 69 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,720 And then the big challenge is you have to overcome what Hume 70 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,480 called the is ought distinction, which is to say, and Andrew 71 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Wilson was talking about this in a recent podcast, you can't get 72 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,000 an ought from an is. You can't get a should from a 73 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,680 fact. You know, if a guy pushes a 74 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,360 woman off a Cliff, she falls to her death. 75 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,720 OK, That's a physical fact. That's a fact of physics and 76 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,840 biology. Why should you or should you not 77 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,320 do these things? And from there, in the current 78 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,480 system that we have, you then have to go to politics. 79 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,200 Politics is a study of the morally legitimated 80 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,080 institutional use of coercion or violence in society. 81 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,960 Now, of course, as a voluntarist or an anarchist, it is my goal 82 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,440 in probably about half a millennia to have a society 83 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,520 which is free of institutionalized coercion that 84 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,640 is justified by the general population out of fear of a lack 85 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,160 of safety. But that's not where we are. 86 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,600 So you kind of have to deal with politics to some degree or 87 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,240 another. So good philosophers start with 88 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,480 the assumption of nothing. And this comes straight out of 89 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,560 Rene Descartes Meditations, which is OK, what if I am in 90 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,080 fact just a brain and a tank being wired up by a demon to 91 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,560 like matrix style, right? What if everything is is just a 92 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,160 fantasy and and nothing is real? That's an important question. 93 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,040 I mean every night we go to sleep and have these most 94 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,040 amazing vivid dreams. I won't even tell you the 95 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,760 costume that you were wearing in my dream last night because it 96 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,040 would probably get you banned from the planet as a whole. 97 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,680 But although the elephant head does look good on you, but and 98 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,160 so every night we have these wild, vivid dreams. 99 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,000 We wake up and we know for sure that they were dreams that we're 100 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,560 now awake. And the the good philosopher 101 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,640 says, well, how do we know that? Assume nothing, right? 102 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,600 The good physicist says, well, the the world does look flat, as 103 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,840 we talked about last time, and everything looks like it. 104 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:44,240 The stars look like they're rotating around us like some 105 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,720 inverse halogen colander or something. 106 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,680 But what if that's not true? What if everything I perceive is 107 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,600 incorrect? And that way you can build a 108 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,400 certain edifice of knowledge. And many philosophers have tried 109 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,480 this to varying degrees of success. 110 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,520 The most notable being, I would say, Rene Descartes and Immanuel 111 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,360 Kant just said, OK, what if nothing is true and I have to 112 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:06,760 build everything out from the ground up? 113 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,800 And that's really been my process. 114 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,560 I think it was about 15 or so, no more 17 or so years ago, I 115 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,760 did a 17 part introduction to philosophy series where I said, 116 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,880 you know, with a white board and you know, my primitive 240P 117 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:23,240 camera. And I said, what if, what if 118 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,360 not? We don't know anything. 119 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,560 What if I don't know if I exist or you exist or the sense data 120 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,600 is real or anything? How do we go from there to 121 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,960 abstract universal moral philosophy? 122 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,640 And it's a big challenge. So the philosophers that I like 123 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,600 the most who respect the most are the ones who absolutely like 124 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,680 you have to grit your teeth. It's, it's like when I used to 125 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,560 do long distance running where when I was in my teens and my 126 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,040 20s, like when you start, you feel like you're going to die 127 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,120 after the 1st 10 minutes. And then after you breakthrough 128 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,200 that you can run, you know, I ran 20 miles once and you can 129 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,840 just just keep going and you just have to grit your teeth and 130 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:01,120 say I'm not going to stop, you know, just keep swimming. 131 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,640 Just keep swimming. It's going to keep going and 132 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,680 keep going and not divert. Now to me, the best philosophers 133 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,280 are the ones who take that approach. 134 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:10,360 I know nothing. I'm going to build these 135 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,760 principles from the ground up, and it doesn't matter to me 136 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,720 where they lead. I am not invested in the 137 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,760 outcome. I am only invested in the 138 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,760 process. So philosophers like Ayn Rand 139 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,280 started with metaphysics and epistemology. 140 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,160 There's a whole great book called Introduction to 141 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,080 Objectivist Epistemology. And then she went through to 142 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,240 ethics, which I think she failed at. 143 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,720 And then she went through to politics, which she also failed 144 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,240 at because she still justified the existence of 145 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,560 institutionalized coercion such as statism. 146 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,560 But having staying on that ride is really tough. 147 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,560 And then the last thing, not only but also you also get this 148 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,040 free Shamwow cloth. But not not only that, after you 149 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,760 go through that process, you then have the challenge of 150 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,440 saying, OK, I've gone through metaphysics, epistemology, 151 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,000 ethics, politics. I have a robust moral system 152 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,680 now. How does it get applied in 153 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,880 people's actual lives? That is the, to me, the biggest 154 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,440 challenge of all. And I think one of the things 155 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,960 that differentiates what I do from what other philosophers do 156 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,240 is I've now had, over the last, I mean, close to 20 years now. 157 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,000 I started in 2005. So yeah, it's almost 20 years. 158 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,560 I've had thousands and thousands of conversations with people 159 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,440 about how to take abstract moral principles and apply them to 160 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,480 their actual daily practical lives. 161 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,480 And so it's one thing to build this wonderful cathedral of 162 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,559 thought, but people also have to come in and get some moral 163 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,039 instructions and have their lives improved thereby. 164 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:48,120 And so a lot of philosophers aim for abstractions and just keep 165 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,800 going. They, they don't return to earth 166 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,280 with these abstractions and give practical utility to people. 167 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,240 It's like people who study, you know, theories of diet and so 168 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,280 on, but never write any diet books that can actually help 169 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,320 people. So I've done, you know, the 170 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,480 theoretical work that I think is very important and in terms of 171 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,280 practical application. So for instance, the non 172 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:12,000 aggression principle is very, very simple to defend and and 173 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,400 universalize. And then the question is, once 174 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,000 you've done that, what happens? Well, what happens with most 175 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,800 people? And this is particularly true in 176 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,600 more liberty minded circles, as they say, Well, you know, the, 177 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:25,680 the, the central banking is just counterfeiting. 178 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,720 It's like, yes, yes, it is. And what are you going to do 179 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,480 about it, right. And then what are you going to 180 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,560 do about it is the question. Of course, we don't want to go 181 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:34,680 and, you know, use violence ourselves. 182 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,480 So what do you do? Or, you know, foreign aid is, is 183 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,360 taking money from the rich, poor people of rich countries and 184 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,560 sending it to the rich people of poor countries and it corrupts 185 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,360 other countries and so on. And it's like, yes, that's true. 186 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,760 And and So what are you going to war is bad. 187 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,560 Yes. And so the yes. 188 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:54,640 And what do you do about it is the challenge. 189 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,560 So again, I was like blank slating because that's my sort 190 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,480 of every morning. It's like grit your teeth and 191 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,240 blank your slate, right? And so I was blank slating and 192 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,840 saying, OK, so once we accept that the non aggression 193 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,160 principle, thou shalt not initiate the use of force, once 194 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,640 we accept that that's a valid moral principle, what are we 195 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,240 going to do? Well, I could complain about 196 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,160 things I have no control over, but that doesn't seem to be like 197 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:25,720 a very good idea at all. I mean, it is like a lecturing a 198 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,160 graveyard on how to take care of their health. 199 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,480 I mean, it's a little bit past the the issue at hand and you 200 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,400 can't really affect the outcome because it's already in the 201 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,200 past. So what I said was, OK, so 202 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,960 violations of the non aggression principle, what's the most 203 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,200 widespread violation of the non aggression principle that we can 204 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,160 do the most about? What's the most widespread 205 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,880 violation of the non aggression principle that we can do the 206 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,760 most about? Now, of course, I worked in a 207 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,040 daycare as a kid, as a teenager for for many years and so on and 208 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,320 saw various negative outcomes. Of course, I had some negative 209 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,720 outcomes myself as a child and saw other people with negative 210 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,840 outcomes due to violence within the home. 211 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,120 It's like, ah, OK, So what is the most common violation of the 212 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,840 non aggression principle? Well, spanking, I mean 75, 213 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,880 eighty 90% really depends on the ethnicity of parents are still 214 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,120 hitting their children. So that is the biggest violation 215 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,400 of the most widespread violation of the moral of the non 216 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,160 aggression principle that we can do the most about. 217 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,200 Yay philosopher has returned from the heavens with tablets of 218 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,880 practical action. Sorry to put myself in rather 219 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,680 illustrious and heavily bearded company. 220 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:38,280 So the idea then that we would say let's work on child abuse. 221 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,480 Let's work on violations of the non aggression principle against 222 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,080 children and so on. That was, to me, the most 223 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,600 practical outcome. And so I made the case in many, 224 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,640 many different venues and forums and PowerPoints and speeches and 225 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,800 debates and all of that. And I recently, of course, 226 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,360 finished my magnum opus on this called Peaceful parenting, which 227 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,040 people get at Peaceful parenting.com. 228 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,720 It's free. There's even an AI you can ask 229 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,040 parenting questions that will give you some pretty fantastic 230 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,120 answers. So I think good philosophers 231 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,200 start with a blank slate, work their way to the most broad 232 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,160 abstractions, and then bring them back to earth in practical 233 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,800 and actionable manner so that you can become a moral person. 234 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,040 Because if the purpose of morality is to rail at the 235 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,040 toenails of the gods you can do nothing about, then it's simply 236 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,440 an exercise in paralysis and futility. 237 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,520 But if you can, like, if you say, well, the purpose of of 238 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,760 moral philosophy is to end foreign aid, it's like, well, 239 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,280 good luck with all of that, right? 240 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,880 I mean, you can talk to people and you could, I guess even run 241 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,560 for office. But of course we can see what's 242 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:39,600 going on right now with people who run for office who aren't 243 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,560 part of the elite, who actually want to change things. 244 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:44,960 They tend to get some fairly pretty ear clippings from time 245 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,600 to time. And so. 246 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,920 But what you can do is you can talk within your family and 247 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,240 friendships and social circle about not violating the non 248 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,560 aggression principle with regards to helpless and 249 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:56,800 dependent children. That's something you can do. 250 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,440 And that practical aspect is tricky though, because, you 251 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,800 know, railing against the Federal Reserve and and foreign 252 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,440 aid in the national debt gives you a certain amount of chest 253 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,600 beating satisfaction, but it doesn't actually really do much 254 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,520 to achieve good in society. But if you actually take on 255 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,800 something like hitting children, then you can achieve some real 256 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:18,960 good. But the problem is, of course, 257 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,840 when you, when you achieve real good, I can tell you this from 258 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,240 some fairly vivid personal experience, Keith, when you 259 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,960 actually achieve some good, you, you get that lovely little thing 260 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,120 called blowback, you know, because you know, if if you're 261 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,320 yelling at you about foreign aid and you don't shift where $1.00 262 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:35,720 goes, you don't really bother anyone. 263 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,880 But the moment you actually start to change the disposition 264 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,760 of good and evil in society, well, it's funny, you know, 265 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,720 it's, it's the one of my favorite books when I was 266 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,680 younger is The Hobbit. And The Hobbit is a fantastic 267 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:48,640 book because most fairy tales end. 268 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,920 Oh, we've killed the dragon. Everything's fantastic. 269 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,440 Yay. Look at all this treasure. 270 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,120 There's no more danger for Lake Town. 271 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,560 And everyone's like dancing and singing and that's usually the 272 00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:59,800 end of the movie. But the genius, one of the many 273 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:04,160 aspects of genius of Tolkien is well, after you kill the dragon, 274 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,920 there's a war against Battle of the Five Armies. 275 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,120 Everybody fights over the treasure. 276 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,400 And so ending evil often creates a power vacuum, and that's a 277 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,280 challenge. If you directly interfere with 278 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,520 the intentions of evil people, they will attack you back. 279 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,760 And because you're in the right and they're in the wrong, it'll 280 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,920 usually be lies, slander, and reputational attack or physical 281 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,000 violence. And so to do good means angering 282 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,280 evil, and they're going to have something to say about what you 283 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,320 do. And so I think the good 284 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:41,080 philosopher gets people to enact virtue in their daily lives in 285 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,520 measurable and objective ways. And of course, if we can do our 286 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,720 part in ending child abuse, most of the other evils in society 287 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,240 will fall as well. How can we differentiate smart 288 00:14:53,240 --> 00:15:02,840 people from ignorant people? Well, so IQ is obviously an 289 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,320 imperfect measure, but it's the best we've got and it's the one 290 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,360 that is by far the most correlated with success in the 291 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,960 world. And of course, if people can 292 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,680 come up with an intelligence test that better predicts 293 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,360 outcomes than IQ Das, I would be the first to sort of champion 294 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,800 it. So IQ is kind of the best thing 295 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,360 that we've got for intelligence at the moment. 296 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:29,440 Now, IQ and I, I did like in a series of interviews with 297 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:35,440 people, it was, gosh, what was it, 17 for world experts in the 298 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,600 field of IQ to sort of help understand this because I wanted 299 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,400 to know how to be fair and how to be just right. 300 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:43,800 You want to know how to be fair and be just. 301 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,600 So I don't want to blame people for things beyond their control, 302 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,280 right? You don't want to blame people 303 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,600 for being short or of their eye color or things that are really 304 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,360 beyond their control because that would be unfair and unjust. 305 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,320 That would be like blaming a kid for being lazy because he 306 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,960 happened to be born into a poor family and, you know, he just 307 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,120 didn't have much money. Now you can if, if an adult 308 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,920 doesn't have much money, maybe they're kind of lazy. 309 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,160 But you wouldn't blame a kid for that, right? 310 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,200 So I wanted to figure out what was under people's control and 311 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,480 what wasn't. And so you want to, as a 312 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,280 philosopher, your goal is to increase people's wisdom because 313 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,640 wisdom is somewhat of a choice. Now in the research seems to be 314 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,040 fairly clear, IQ was about 80% genetic by your late teens. 315 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,720 It, it even goes up somewhere from there. 316 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,600 But that, you know, let's sort of take the baseline of 80% now 317 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,560 that still gives you 20% to work with. 318 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,280 That's a lot, right? That that's, that's more than a 319 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,560 standard deviation of intelligence, like 100 to 85 or 320 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:54,160 100 to 115, give or take, right? So to determine whether somebody 321 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,560 is intelligent or not, there are a couple of tests that I use. 322 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,920 And again, just because they're not intelligent doesn't mean 323 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,319 they can't become wise, although intelligence can help. 324 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:09,520 Although the argument is as well that intelligent people can talk 325 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,000 themselves in and out of 20 different positions in a day. 326 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,599 And I know I've certainly been in that in that camp as well. 327 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,560 So there's a couple of things that I do. 328 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:24,119 So when you make a generalized statement and somebody comes 329 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:30,440 back with a specific exception, that generally is somebody who 330 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,880 is not not thinking. Now, just if somebody doesn't 331 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,360 think, there's two reasons. Either they can't think because 332 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:40,920 they're just not smart, or they can think but they've chosen not 333 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,680 to, which means they lack self criticism. 334 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,680 So that's one thing. And, you know, the typical 335 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,480 example is women. Women are generally shorter than 336 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,040 men. It's like, well, I know a guy, 337 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,680 his girlfriend's taller than he is. 338 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:59,280 And it's like, I'm afraid the giant addition that you are 339 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,680 making to the conversation may be visible only to you. 340 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,760 Or as the old saying, wisdom has constantly been chasing you, but 341 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,080 you've always been slightly faster. 342 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,720 So that's one example. Another example, of course, 343 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:19,920 which is very common is the response of an ad homonym or a 344 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,240 personal attack to a moral statement. 345 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,680 Now this I'm going to introduce this because nobody on the 346 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,160 Internet has ever seen this before. 347 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,640 I'm one of those rare travellers who's seen this incredible 348 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,880 resurrected dodo bird of the ad homonym. 349 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,640 So if you say there's a general statement and you and somebody 350 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,520 says, well, only an A hole would say that it's like, well, maybe, 351 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,280 but that still doesn't deal with the facts of the issue. 352 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,800 So when someone is triggered, intelligence gives you the 353 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,720 option to intercept your lizard brain responses, right? 354 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,360 So you have it depends on how you clock it, but generally you 355 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:00,040 have about a quarter second to intercept an aggressive impulse 356 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,080 and reason with it and and so on. 357 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,760 And for most people, whatever their mental reflexes are, it's 358 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,360 some longer than 1/4 of a second because people just they act 359 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:10,680 out, they get aggressive, they get mad and so on, right. 360 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,120 I mean, in a perverse way, I was proud of what was voted of mine, 361 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:17,080 the the worst tweet in the history of Twitter. 362 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,960 And in, in, in the modern parlance, being called the worst 363 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,680 guy is, you know, people. We retweet Stalin and Hitler. 364 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,440 But no, my tweet was voted and fairly overwhelmingly as the 365 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,960 worst tweet in the history of Twitter, which was a little 366 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,440 surprising to me. It went something like, I can't 367 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,800 believe this is five years ago, but I said, wow, Taylor Swift is 368 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,360 turning 30. She's so young. 369 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:44,000 She looks so young. I hope that she'll think about 370 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,000 having kids because by the time you're 30, like 90% of your eggs 371 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,280 are dead. As a woman, I hope she'll think 372 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,560 about having kids. She looks like she'd be a fun 373 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,200 mom. Now. 374 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,080 That was actually very positive, I think, against Taylor Swift. 375 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,800 Well, except her politics and her radiating childlessness to 376 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,160 the NPC crowd. Well, OK, maybe have a couple of 377 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,400 things against Taylor Swift. And her fans wait, no, let's not 378 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,440 get drawn down the Taylor Swift side side side quest. 379 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,480 So the people went completely nuts. 380 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,720 It did. It's a scientific fact that 90% 381 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,960 of a woman's eggs are dead by the time she's 30. 382 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,200 That doesn't mean she can't have kids. 383 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,160 She's still got five years until it's geriatric pregnancy. 384 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:30,520 But people went were completely mental about and we're just, you 385 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,480 know, nobody's going to have sex with you in cell. 386 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,440 It's like, OK, I'm happily married for 22 years and but OK, 387 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,520 and, and what am I going to do? I'm going to I'm going to have 388 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,840 sex with everyone but you in cell. 389 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,320 You know, like this kind of stuff, right? 390 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,160 It's like, oh, really bitter, angry, dangerous, sociopathic 391 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:50,760 women might be withholding sex for me. 392 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,200 Whatever am I going to do to get through the day? 393 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,280 So that's another example of people who are just triggered, 394 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:06,720 people who don't express doubt. Also a certainty is I used to 395 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,880 call them the period people because I grew up in sort of a 396 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,440 very poor welfare, fairly crappy, trashy neighbourhood. 397 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,840 And it was full of people who were like, you know, it's just 398 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,480 like this period, you know, and the, the period was like, blah, 399 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,960 blah, blah, blah, period, you know, end of discussion. 400 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,840 It's like really for me, the only end of discussion is 401 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,320 probably about 15 to 20 minutes after I'm dead. 402 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,120 I'm sure I'll have some like, hey, you know how your 403 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:31,800 fingernails grow after you dye and your hair. 404 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,320 Well, I will continue to have debates and discussions. 405 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,600 There'll be some scratching on the coffin roof. 406 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,680 I'll, I'll continue going on for a little while. 407 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,360 So for me, the end of discussion is the end of life. 408 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:46,400 But for these people, it's like boom, period, end of discussion. 409 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,920 And it's like, OK, so I just kind of, I kind of move on, move 410 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,880 on from that as a whole. People who don't expose 411 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,880 themselves to contradictory opinions, you know, the echo 412 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,040 chamber stuff. And This is why, like people on 413 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,240 the left have, you know, good and bad points, but in general 414 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,680 they tend to be less robust because they're exposed to far 415 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,440 more echo chambers. Anybody who's not on the left is 416 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,120 just, you're just swimming against the current and you just 417 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,720 get stronger. Like you just get stronger 418 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,400 swimming against the current. So of course I'm a, you know, 419 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,320 very much a free market guy and a reason and evidence guy and 420 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:24,720 objectivity guy. And so I mean, in high school it 421 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,000 was fairly lefty in, in England and Canada and other places and 422 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,760 in university outright Marxists and so on. 423 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,480 And so I've just, and then I was in the, the theatre world. 424 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,680 I went to the National Theatre School. 425 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,760 I wrote and directed plays. And I mean, in Canada, the man, 426 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:48,360 the, the theatre world is, I mean it, it makes Lenin look 427 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,720 like Ayn Rand. So I guess, you know, depending 428 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,240 on government money and and NPCS that kind of way. 429 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,800 And they're not interested in exploring the human condition, 430 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,960 which is what good ads should do. 431 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,880 They're just interested in promoting division, hatred and 432 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,120 resentment. So it is a monster so assailing 433 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,400 against the currents. You just end up kind of robust. 434 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:12,800 So when you hear people repeat NPC talking points and they just 435 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:18,160 don't have any idea that there's another perspective or opinion, 436 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,960 then they're just not intelligent. 437 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,000 Because to be intelligent is to be skeptical, right? 438 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,400 Because if you haven't noticed, if you haven't noticed that the 439 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,560 world is full of pathological liars in power, I don't even 440 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,520 know what to tell you. You know, that is that that is 441 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,480 the old thing, like 1 fish turns to the other and says, eh, what 442 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,040 is a little chilly today? It's like water. 443 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,920 What water? I just float, right? 444 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,280 So if people haven't noticed that there are pathological 445 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,560 liars in power and that there's a massive incentive for people 446 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,720 in power to lie to them and therefore they should have 447 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,560 scepticism. You know, what's the old thing 448 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,400 about it's pretty easy for a woman to be attractive to man, 449 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,320 just put on a sun dress. And so you don't trust the 450 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,600 government. I mean, you're sad, right? 451 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,240 So anybody who hasn't noticed that, like, I really don't know, 452 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,680 Hey, mainstream media doesn't always tell the truth that 453 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,120 they're not super objective. And if you haven't noticed that, 454 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,280 honestly, I wouldn't even know. It's, it's like there's a cruel 455 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,760 meme about the boom boomers where they say, you know, when 456 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,520 you're arguing with the boomer, I can say this, 'cause I missed 457 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,240 by one year, one year, I know I may look like the crypt keeper 458 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,440 to your younger audience, but I missed by one year. 459 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,520 I'm still pre boomer by one year. 460 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,960 But you know, when you're arguing with the boomer, you're 461 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,280 arguing with the television. The television can't hear you 462 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,920 and it doesn't care. And so people who don't have 463 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,640 inputs and people who get aggressive when contradicted or 464 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,280 when counter information comes up, people who cite specific 465 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,600 exemptions to general rules as some intellectual work of 466 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,000 achievement and so on. And also, honestly, I view 467 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,320 people who don't read fiction as a a problem because one of the 468 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,240 things that's highly correlated with the development of empathy 469 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,160 is the reading of fiction. Because fiction is your chance 470 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,840 to try on another person's life for science, especially first 471 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,000 person fiction. I wrote a novel not too long ago 472 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:10,160 where I switched between first and third person in a way to 473 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,080 kind of disorient. This is how the person looks 474 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,320 from the outside, but this is what they're thinking on the 475 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,120 inside. And people who don't read 476 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:20,400 fiction generally don't have as much empathy. 477 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,480 And it's not just my opinion. Studies have been done that the 478 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,080 reading of fiction generally helps foster empathy because 479 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,160 you're then curious about how other people think and feel. 480 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:34,400 And a lot of debate has to do with empathy. 481 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,200 And because the opposite of debate is violence and violence 482 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,040 is the opposite of empathy, right? 483 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,760 So if you and I are debating, we're negotiating to try and 484 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,520 find the truth to the mutual benefit, right? 485 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,000 If you, you know, if we're driving to Vegas and I'm going 486 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,600 the wrong way and you tell me to go the right way, you haven't 487 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,200 harmed me. You've helped me. 488 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,600 I mean, the purpose is truth. So we empathize with each other, 489 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,440 with reasoning, the people who use ad homonyms. 490 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,640 And you know, there's all these terrible stories online at the 491 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,840 moment after the second what seems like an assassination 492 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,000 against attempt against Trump. You know, there's lots of people 493 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,320 saying, you know, I had this friend of like 10 years or 20 494 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,640 years. We were talking about the 495 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,960 assassination and my friend said, I can't, it's a damn shame 496 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,000 they didn't miss. And it's like, oh, oh, that's 497 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,960 what's that Knock, knock Trump to Harris. 498 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,600 Knock, knock. Who's there? 499 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:33,640 Owen, Owen who Owen to right. So that level of, to me, just 500 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,560 straight up sociopathy. I, I, I, I wish that somebody I 501 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,240 disagree with politically got killed. 502 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,680 Well, of course, that's most of human history. 503 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,040 Most of human history is killing people who disagreed with you. 504 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,920 And whether it's hitting them on the head with their club or the 505 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,200 jawbone of an ass, or it's putting them in concentration 506 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,400 camps or sending them to war. I mean, a lot of, you know, a 507 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,120 lot of Republicans in the South. And so the wars wipe out the 508 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,880 soldiers and, and so on. So you way to wipe out your 509 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,880 political enemies. So empathy is that we are going 510 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,960 to be happy to reason with each other because we know that the 511 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,800 only only alternative to reasoning with each other, the 512 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,320 only alternative to reasoning with each other is outright 513 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,520 violence. And that will destroy society as 514 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,040 a whole. And so I look for people who are 515 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,560 interested in in fiction and not just, you know, I have a 516 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,040 prejudice more for 19th century fiction is sort of my favorite 517 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,880 time because there was genuine examination of the, the human 518 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,680 condition and, you know, deep thoughts without the politics 519 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,320 creeping in at all times and under all circumstances, no 520 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,840 matter what. And so I look for people who are 521 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,400 interested in in fiction poetry as well is a way to enter 522 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,440 somebody else's dream state and imagination to have a self and 523 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,360 an other. So there's lots of cool things 524 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:53,720 that I use to try and figure out who's worth really talking to. 525 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,360 I've already 1 of zoomed in your bookshelf to look for fiction in 526 00:27:58,360 --> 00:27:59,800 the back to make sure we can talk. 527 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,240 Sorry, go ahead. You know what fiction is 528 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,160 actually on this side. I promise it's here as far as. 529 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,000 Oh no, it's left wing fiction. Sorry. 530 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,320 Go ahead. So my favorite thing to do is to 531 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,960 really get a quick idea of where someone stands on a given topic 532 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,360 and ask them to steel man the opposition. 533 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,040 And if they can't do it without straw manning. 534 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,480 When I specifically ask for a steel man, I know that I'm 535 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,040 wasting time with a person. So thank you so much for giving 536 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,200 me those to add to the ideas of how I can communicate to people 537 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,600 and find out who's worth spending time with. 538 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,480 One of my favorite contributions you have given the world is your 539 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,600 ability to analyze propaganda. I had never seen this before. 540 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,400 Mr. Molyneux goes line by line in certain articles and really 541 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,560 walks you through the manipulative language that's 542 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,760 used. So I want to go through a couple 543 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,200 of my favorite examples. In April of 2014, the sitting 544 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,120 president and graduate from Harvard University, Barack Obama 545 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:10,040 said it's not a myth, it's math referring to the gender wage 546 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,080 gap. Apparently he actually believed 547 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,240 this. So women earn $0.77 on the 548 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,880 dollar for every dollar a man makes. 549 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,560 Therefore there is a gender pay gap. 550 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,200 This gap between the genders is proof of sexism. 551 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,960 What, if anything, is wrong with that logic? 552 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,320 Right, I'm going to zoom out for just a second about because I, 553 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,440 there's a couple of threads I want to talk about with regards 554 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,200 to propaganda and apparently that's just all about me. 555 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,680 So I'll, I'll do that and, and I think it'll make sense. 556 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,360 So let me ask you, where are you in the birth order of your 557 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,800 family? I am the youngest, my brother is 558 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,880 the oldest, my sister's older than I am, and I am the third 559 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,960 child. We all share a father. 560 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,120 My mother only has me. OK, got it. 561 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,400 Now what's the age gap? And this won't make sense. 562 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,200 Just give me, just bear with me for a SEC. 563 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,040 He is 37, she is 34. I'm 28. 564 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,720 OK, so when you were a kid, a little kid, and of course 565 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,560 there's, there's quite a substantial age gap. 566 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,040 I'm a younger sibling as well, my brother's two and a bit 567 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,880 years, 2 and a couple of months older than me. 568 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:29,120 So when you were a kid, it was hard to get resources relative 569 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,120 to your siblings, right? So, so if they had the toy, you 570 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,160 couldn't, if you had the toy, they could get it from you. 571 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,280 If they had the toy, you couldn't get it from them. 572 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:42,600 And so when you're a a little kid, you have to complain when 573 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,360 you don't get your fair share, right? 574 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,600 So there's, there's older people that the parents get whatever 575 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,240 they want, the older siblings get whatever they want. 576 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,320 They have the cool toys, they get to stay up later, they get 577 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,120 more allowance, they get more privileges, they get more 578 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,040 freedom. And it just, there's a certain 579 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,520 amount of resentment then it's not unhealthy. 580 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:00,800 It's perfectly, it's how we've evolved. 581 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,400 There's nothing wrong with it, but there's a certain amount of 582 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,600 resentment that comes from being a younger sibling. 583 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,320 And mothers have to be very sensitive to this and equalize 584 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,000 things. And they have to equalize things 585 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,960 sometimes using force, right? They have to literally, if, if 586 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,400 the older kid snatches the toy from the younger kid, the mother 587 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,680 has to take it and pry it out of the hands maybe and, and give it 588 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,880 back. And of course we don't say to 589 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,880 kids, well, there's a whole bunch of food there. 590 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,240 And, and we've got a one year old, A5 year old and a 10 year 591 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,320 old. Well, you'll just go and get as 592 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,880 much food as you want and we'll just let it be a meritocracy. 593 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,400 It's like, no, no, you have to take food and make sure that the 594 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,520 youngest kid gets it and and so on, right? 595 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,560 So forced redistribution, resentment of people who are 596 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,800 doing better than you, complaining and appealing to 597 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,480 authority to get resources from the more competent and 598 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,560 successful and give them to you is a childhood experience. 599 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,200 So propaganda, I you won't believe how I'm going to bring 600 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,120 this in for a landing. Nobody knows what the heck I'm 601 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,360 talking about. Trust me or don't, but I will 602 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,560 bring it in for a landing, right? 603 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,000 So what is it that politicians are continually saying to people 604 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,200 the rich aren't paying their fair share, fair share 605 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,280 corporations don't pay enough in taxes? 606 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,760 You're being ripped off. And what they're doing is 607 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:20,480 they're trying to appeal to a childhood mindset where things 608 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,120 are unfair through no fault of your own. 609 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,520 You're not getting enough. It's not your fault that you 610 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,480 happen to be born last and there are all of these older siblings 611 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,320 who are getting more and it's unfair and you need to appeal to 612 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,120 authority to take from people who are more successful the more 613 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,840 competent in your childhood. It would be your older siblings 614 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,800 and give to you. And without that you just can't 615 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,280 survive. So what they're doing, this is 616 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,520 so common in propaganda. It's one of the reasons why 617 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,800 leftism and classism and this kind of division stuff works is 618 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,920 they're trying to get you to regress to a state of childhood, 619 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:02,000 which is envy, resentment and helplessness, right? 620 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,760 I mean, this maybe, maybe I'm alone in this pettiness. 621 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,240 I don't think I am. But I very clearly remember as a 622 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:15,080 kid, my, my brother had the right to stay up 5 minutes 623 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,560 later. I mean, this is sad. 624 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,120 I'm not proud of this. But you know, it's just the way 625 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,600 that I was and I've dealt with it completely. 626 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,200 But I remember sitting in my bed and I knew I was probably about, 627 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,600 I don't know, four or five years old. 628 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:35,400 And I knew that 5 minutes was me counting to 300, right? 629 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,400 This is how sad. But you have to be this way as a 630 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,400 younger sibling. You have to because otherwise 631 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,840 you don't get enough resources. And so 05 minutes, is it fine 632 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,480 1/2 I won't do the whole 300 for you, but I would, I would sit 633 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,000 there and I'd, you know, I'd, I'd have my covers off my toes 634 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,080 to make sure I didn't miscount. And it would be like it's been 5 635 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,120 minutes, it's bedtime. And like this is how petty and 636 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:09,280 he right. Oh my gosh, it's it's now as a 637 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,880 kid, you have to gauge your interest that way. 638 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,040 You have to say, look, there are people doing better through no 639 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,639 fault of my own. And no, you know, it bothered me 640 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,360 that the older kids, you know, oh, you're just a little kid. 641 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,520 It's like, oh, wow, you did the amazing moral task of having to 642 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,480 drop out of mums for JJ slightly earlier than I did. 643 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,080 Wow, what a, what a thing to be achieved, right? 644 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,520 So it just so as a kid, this resentment of people who are 645 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,239 doing better and taking more and the appeal to authority to make 646 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,840 things equal is how younger siblings survive. 647 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,920 Now, I've only done a cursory examination of this, and you of 648 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,440 course would be an exception here, but a lot of people on the 649 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,360 left are younger siblings. And when the government comes to 650 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,080 you and says injustices are being done against you, those 651 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,400 with more power taking more, and we're here to make it equal. 652 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,640 Well, that why is that such a common experience for people? 653 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,280 We all go through childhood, right? 654 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,640 We all go through childhood. We and all younger siblings have 655 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,680 to fight like heck to make sure we get our fair share through no 656 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,360 fault of our own. We happen to be smaller and 657 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,880 weaker and younger and so on, right? 658 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:28,360 And so when the government comes along and says there are people 659 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,840 who are unjustly taking from you and we're here to make it right, 660 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,680 well, that is men are stealing from you women. 661 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,120 And we are here to make them give you back what they've taken 662 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,920 from you. We're here to make sure you get 663 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,360 your fair share, which through no fault of your own is being 664 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,320 taken from you. Why is that so believable to 665 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,200 everyone? Well, because it's an essential 666 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,440 part of how siblings survive. And most people grow up with 667 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,480 siblings and there are a lot of younger siblings. 668 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,000 So you, you see this all the time in the election years where 669 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,680 it's like the rich aren't paying their fair share. 670 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,320 Well, why does that seem believable to people? 671 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,280 Because one cursory look at the data, it's like, no, no, no, the 672 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,720 rich aren't paying their fair share. 673 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,960 They're paying way too much. You know, when the top, you 674 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,000 know, 5% of earners are paying 50% of the income tax, that's 675 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,720 ridiculously unfair. But why is it that people are 676 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,640 like, there is a greedy part, which is like, oh, I can resent 677 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,440 people and get stuff for free and I get all of that. 678 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,280 But why is it that it's so believable for for people when 679 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,920 the government comes along and says, and you know, this is from 680 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,920 as relatively mild a case as the gender pay gap to something 681 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,680 that's completely egregious, which we talked about in the 682 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,400 last conversation, which is, you know, the communists coming 683 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,440 along and saying that factory was stolen from your ancestors. 684 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,400 We're going to go kill the factory owners and give it back 685 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,600 to you. Well, that's appealing to a 686 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:57,560 parent in a sibling dynamic on massive, you know, hyper 687 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,480 ideological steroids. But I think that when we have a 688 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,480 an incredibly common experience, like resentment of the 689 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,360 successful and the appeal of authority to equalize. 690 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,560 Why is it because that's how most of us survive, you know, in 691 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,760 in a human evolution when people had no birth control and you 692 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,600 know, the same sex drives as we have now. 693 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,880 Well, what happened? Well, you had, you know, 581012 694 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,680 kids. And so the majority, the vast 695 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,320 majority of us are younger siblings, not youngest, but 696 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,120 younger siblings, right? The vast majority of us are 697 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,360 younger siblings and younger siblings. 698 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,080 We have to appeal to authority, complain, be resentful, look, 699 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,040 look for equalization, and be perfectly happy when forces used 700 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,320 to get us resources because we don't survive otherwise. 701 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,200 You think, of course of limited food. 702 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,920 There was limited food throughout most of our 703 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,000 evolution. Things would touch and go for a 704 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,040 lot of of kids and you really had to fight like hell and you 705 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,560 had to appeal to authority to take things away from the more 706 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,800 powerful and give them to you. So to me, a lot of propaganda is 707 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,120 having people through the language of parenting regress 708 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,280 into a helpless, resentful and dependent upon authority state 709 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,760 of mind to get people to regress to childhood. 710 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,640 And it's very tempting because that is the mindset, 711 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,080 particularly for young people. You know, there's this idea that 712 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,760 people become more free marketed conservative as they age, but 713 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,600 that's because we get further away from childhood. 714 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,800 Whereas when you're young, getting you to regress to a 715 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,440 childhood state of mind is pretty easy. 716 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,640 So when you go to women and you say, well, men are taking stuff 717 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,960 from you and it's unequal and you're underpaid and so on, 718 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,320 there's a certain amount of greed for the unearned for sure. 719 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,400 But there's a lot of girls who had older brothers who did, who 720 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,440 just took stuff from them and got more time, attention, who 721 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,320 had more privileges because they were older. 722 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,640 And there's just this resentment. 723 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,440 And I think it's pretty easy to strip mine. 724 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,360 The numbers, of course, are, are easy to debunk, right? 725 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,480 I mean, we can just touch on them briefly here. 726 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,120 Women with the same amount of education who've been in the 727 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,760 workforce for the same amount of time as men actually earn more 728 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,280 than men. Women take less high paying 729 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,760 degrees and careers. The student loan debt crisis is 730 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,960 largely women taking economically unproductive 731 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,280 degrees. If you look at the highest paid 732 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,320 professions like oil engineering, petroleum 733 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,000 engineering is like the highest paid profession. 734 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000 There's almost no women. Computer science for a long time 735 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,720 there before AI was highly paid, very few women. 736 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:32,320 And so women tend to go for lower paying occupations. 737 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,480 And it's not because of the patriarchy, because when women 738 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,680 get more economic and political freedom, they tend to go even 739 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,240 more for traditionally female based occupations. 740 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:46,160 And if you look at the top 20 female occupations from 100 741 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,880 years ago, it's pretty much what women in a free society are 742 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,240 going into now. Women prefer dealing with people 743 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,160 and men prefer dealing with things. 744 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,000 And dealing with things tends to be more economically productive 745 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,840 than dealing with people, which tends to be hourly. 746 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,080 Whereas if you deal with things and you manufacture stuff, you 747 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,360 tend to get economies of scale, but you don't get for women. 748 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,360 Men work longer hours, we have higher testosterone, we have 749 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,400 generally more drive and and we can ignore our feelings in 750 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,080 pursuit of a an objective a little bit more than women. 751 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,160 And of course the other thing too is but you can get male and 752 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,040 female economic equality for one generation. 753 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,080 And one generation only, and then there's no people left. 754 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,240 Yay. Equality followed by the 755 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,480 extinction event isn't. And we've seen this a couple of 756 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,400 times before, right? Because the only way that you 757 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,520 can get men and women outside of just ordering women to do 758 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,600 economically productive things and maybe hitting them with 759 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,240 massive doses of testosterone is to give up on childbirth. 760 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,720 Because childbirth and raising children. 761 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,280 I mean, not only did I work at a daycare, but my daughter's 762 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,240 almost 16. I've been a stay at home dad for 763 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:55,400 16 years and that's just one kid and she's great and easy to get 764 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,600 along with and not a boy. So I get that's a little 765 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,240 different too. So childbirth and raising kids 766 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,840 takes you out of the workforce. I mean, if you want to raise 767 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,840 kids, well, you got to keep them out of government schools. 768 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,760 You got to, you know, spend all your day with them. 769 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,680 And so you just can't be out there working and, you know, 770 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,800 building some feminist empire if you want to raise kids. 771 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,360 So, you know, that's another factor too. 772 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,880 That's when women get pregnant and have kids, they have to take 773 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,960 time off to give birth that we, we want the kids breastfeed 774 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,000 because breastfeed because that's the best for their 775 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,120 health, particularly their immune system. 776 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,400 It's also better for the mothers. 777 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,760 I mean, the, the fetus leaves behind stem cells that help 778 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,960 repair the damage and injury to the mother decades later. 779 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,280 So it's better for everyone's health. 780 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:50,160 And a lot of women don't go back to their workforce because they 781 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,080 want to stay home or they prefer staying home. 782 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,480 And so we can get, I guess, men and women to parody, but only if 783 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,720 we stop having kids. And, you know, I mean, I guess 784 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:02,040 I'm somewhat of a fan of equality of opportunity, 785 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,160 equality of outcome leading to the end of the human race. 786 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:09,040 So that one set of women gets to taste pure economic equality, 787 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,560 and then there's no more people. You know, seems like a bit of a 788 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,400 high price to pay. Next propaganda analysis. 789 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,840 Men commit a disproportionate amount of crime because the 790 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,880 patriarchy has entitled them to take whatever they want. 791 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,280 Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime because 792 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,080 institutionalized racism has forced them into poverty and 793 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,280 forced them to commit crimes. What, if anything, is wrong with 794 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,360 that statement? Right. 795 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,760 Well, I mean, I do think that men commit a disproportionate 796 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,200 amount of crimes that are violent and obvious out there in 797 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,040 society. But the big question is if you 798 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:56,320 include things like abortion as a crime, if you include abuse 799 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,560 against children as a crime. And now it's not just physical 800 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,920 abuse. I mean, maybe this is slightly 801 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,200 contentious to your audience. And I I fully accept that and 802 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,080 slightly contentious to myself, if that helps at all. 803 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,800 But verbal abuse against children is violation of the non 804 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,120 aggression principle. In other words, if you keep 805 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,200 telling a child you're stupid and selfish and an A hole and a 806 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,400 jerk and, and you just keep putting them down. 807 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,040 Well, verbal abuse against adults is not a violation of the 808 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,360 non aggression principle because you're talking to an already 809 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,680 formed personality that's perfectly free to leave. 810 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:35,080 But if if you were to kidnap someone and brainwash them, the 811 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,080 brainwashing would be part like you, you kept them up, you know, 812 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,680 for three days straight and bombarded them with propaganda 813 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,120 and so on. Well, that would not be violent 814 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,520 abuse except for the confinement. 815 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,840 But children are confined by the state of nature, by the fact 816 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,600 that they're children. So verbal abuse against children 817 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,320 is a violation of the non aggression principle. 818 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,960 So if you include spanking, if you include other forms of 819 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,440 coercive discipline such as confining to the room or even 820 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,920 timeouts, or using physical size and strength to confine 821 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,920 children, if you include verbal abuse, then women commit more 822 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,480 aggression than men. I mean, certainly in domestic 823 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,720 violence cases, it's 5050 even with the bias against men 824 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:15,200 reporting against women. But if you include abortion and 825 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,760 child abuse, women outstrip men with regards to violence by far. 826 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,320 Like this. Not even close. 827 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,080 It's not even close. The vast majority of men will go 828 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,320 through their life without committing a violent crime, but 829 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,640 the significant majority of women will commit a violent 830 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,280 crime against their children, and it's only by ignoring 831 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,280 children that we can pretend that men are just more abusive. 832 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,440 If you look at coercive transfers of resources, well, 833 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:50,400 women pay about half into the state that they get in benefits. 834 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,560 So that's a coercive redistribution of resources from 835 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,920 men to women. Men pay about half into the 836 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,160 state as they get out in terms of benefits. 837 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,800 And so that's another if you if you look at some of the family 838 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,480 court systems and issues where women coercively transfer 839 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,160 resources through the power of politics from men to women. 840 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,000 At the aforementioned student loan crisis where women are 841 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,440 forcing largely men to pay. If you look at the fact that 842 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,160 like 90 to 95% of the infrastructure maintenance is 843 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,040 men, which is a far more dangerous occupation than taking 844 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,280 complaints about racism in an HR department. 845 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,120 Nice and air conditioned slightly more. 846 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,200 I mean, I've done, you know, difficult and dangerous physical 847 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,920 labor over the course of my youth and that there weren't any 848 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:39,240 women out there at all, right? So letting men, men are like 849 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,720 what, 95% of workplace deaths or men and so on, right. 850 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:47,160 So letting men take on all of that burden is not particularly 851 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,880 great as well. So and of course the other thing 852 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,600 too is that when men talk about this kind of stuff, they just 853 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,520 get attacked and laughed down and aggressed against and so on. 854 00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:01,320 So I think in particular, modern society has tempted women into a 855 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,880 fair amount of aggression and corruption under the guise of, 856 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,080 you know, once you can teach people to be resentful, the use 857 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,560 of violence then becomes legitimate. 858 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,040 With regards to blacks and a violent crime, I would sort of 859 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,520 refer you to the IQ interviews that I have done. 860 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,360 It is common throughout black communities across the world. 861 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,880 Tragically, blacks have a very high incidence of child abuse. 862 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,280 I actually was talking to a woman, a black woman about this 863 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,800 on a show recently. And she actually was so preyed 864 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,320 upon by the black men in her community when she was a girl 865 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,760 and a teenager that she actually starved herself, became anorexic 866 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,120 in order to become less attractive. 867 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,920 And according to the reports that I've read and, and 868 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,400 interviews that I've perused, half of black women report being 869 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,400 raped by black men before the age of 18. 870 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,000 Now saying that white people or other people are all responsible 871 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,160 for that is bizarre to the point where I, I don't even know what 872 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,200 to say, right? Because you can say people have 873 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,800 agency, right? So blaming everyone else is not 874 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,680 great. So, you know, fixing the, the 875 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:12,960 black family experience, fixing the 3/4 of black children who 876 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,960 are born and raised or raised without a father around or 877 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,880 without married, our parents would do a lot. 878 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,560 And that used to be way better. The back in the days of Jim Crow 879 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,840 and genuine segregated racism, institutionalized racism, 880 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,560 government program called racism. 881 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,120 Blacks were married at a rate of 80% and blacks were getting out 882 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,760 of the poor and into the middle class at very, very high rates. 883 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,760 And then the government comes along to help, which is to 884 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,280 create a dependent underclass. And, and of course, you know, I 885 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,360 think there's some fairly sinister people involved in 886 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,520 pushing rap and nihilism and so on, on the black community and 887 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:49,720 so on. So it's not just white racism. 888 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,000 And with regards to the pay gap, you know, it's a fairly 889 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,960 traditional argument, but if women are just as productive as 890 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,800 men, but you can get them for $0.77 on the dollar, then just 891 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:03,160 build an entire corporation of women and you'll completely win 892 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,440 in the marketplace. So all women need to do is just 893 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,240 hire other women and, and they'll be fine. 894 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,240 But, and then the last thing that I was sort of saying just 895 00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:17,200 in terms of credibility is that I really don't generally take 896 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,520 much advice from people on economics who've never created a 897 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,440 single job. You know, I've, you know, I've 898 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,480 interviewed 1000 people over the course of my career. 899 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,200 I've hired over 100 people and, and negotiated raises for people 900 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,440 who work for me. And so I've actually gone out 901 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,200 and created jobs and had to work with young, old, male, female, 902 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,360 old, racist and and so on. And for the people who are 903 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,200 complaining, I would just be like, OK, well, how many women 904 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,160 have you hired? How many jobs have you created? 905 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,680 And, you know, not counting a government grant. 906 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,240 And, and I hired some people in a non profit like that actually 907 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:52,120 in the free market, right. And, and if they haven't, it's 908 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,200 like, you know, it's it's cute. It's it's nice. 909 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,080 It's like telling, it's like a, you know, when my daughter was 910 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,160 little, she would talk about the restaurant she wanted to make. 911 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,040 I actually incorporated this into one of my novels. 912 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,840 You know, wouldn't it be great to have a restaurant in the tree 913 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,400 with birds flying around and, and, and so on. 914 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,600 And, and it's like dinosaurs. And, and yes, it would be, I 915 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,440 completely agree with you. And it's a sort of fun fantasy 916 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,200 to talk about. And so but but you wouldn't go 917 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,080 build that restaurant. You know, when I got older, I'd 918 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,280 say, yeah, but the birds would poop on on the food. 919 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,560 I mean, we have ducks. I know what that's all about. 920 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,200 So for most people, when they're talking about this stuff, it's a 921 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,000 childhood regression stuff. They don't have any actual 922 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:35,400 experience creating jobs and and managing people and they have no 923 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,080 skin in the game and it's all just theoretical. 924 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,000 They've never actually done it. I honestly, it's like my 925 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,760 daughter talking about her fantasy restaurant. 926 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,880 It's it's fun and it's cute, but it nothing to do with reality. 927 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,920 Next, the free market is inefficient and exploitative. 928 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,160 We need to focus on people, not profit. 929 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,160 Yeah, inefficient. Well, I mean, it is inefficient 930 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,680 for thieves. It is inefficient for people who 931 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,560 want something for nothing. So I I get that, you know, it, 932 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:12,800 it is more efficient for people to steal a factory than to build 933 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,800 a factory. So I get that it's inefficient 934 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,320 for corrupt people who want something for nothing. 935 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,440 But, you know, again, to me, this is all just incomplete 936 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,640 childhood stuff because it's not reachable by reason. 937 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,480 So when you're a baby and a toddler, people should be 938 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,360 providing you resources. You should not have to provide 939 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,560 any value or earn anything, right? 940 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,240 I mean, nobody says to an 18 month year old baby, well, you 941 00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:42,400 can have your lunch, but first you have to mow the lawn or you 942 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,480 have to wash the dishes or like there's no so, so this idea that 943 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,560 there are these benevolent entities that just give you 944 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,600 stuff and you don't have to provide value. 945 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,800 That's how we all start out in life. 946 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,920 And it's our first couple of years, You know, arguably you 947 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,240 could say up until the age of, you know, 5 or 6. 948 00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,800 So our first half decade and you know, first impressions count 949 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,480 for quite a lot in life for a first half decade. 950 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,560 We do live in a socialist paradise. 951 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,480 Like why is it that the old Marxist statement from each 952 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,360 according to their ability to each according to their needs? 953 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,640 Why is it that that resonates so much with people? 954 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,720 Because that's our childhood. From each according to their 955 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:20,360 ability is the parents hunt and grow food to each according to 956 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,760 their need is the babies need resources. 957 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,800 The toddlers need resources that they cannot earn themselves and 958 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,840 should not try. I mean, you don't take a A2 year 959 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,000 old hunting and give him a bow and arrow because he's going to 960 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,000 shoot himself or you in the leg, right? 961 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,200 So I just look back to people now, This is why I talk to 962 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,720 people about their childhoods, because until you can resolve 963 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,400 childhood trauma, you can't really reason your, your brain 964 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,480 is too starved and avoidant, intense and stressed and you're 965 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,360 in PTSD and so on, right? I mean, it's like trying to give 966 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,040 someone a complex mathematical proof while they're running from 967 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,040 a bear. Like they just can't concentrate 968 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,160 on it. They can't think of it all, 969 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,840 They're shut up. I'm running from the bear. 970 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,000 Like there's just this panic and stress and so on, right? 971 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,960 So as far as efficiency goes, I mean, I don't particularly care 972 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,720 about efficiency. I care about virtue. 973 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:11,960 And virtue is not very efficient at times, right? 974 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,120 I mean, so I, I focus more on on virtue than efficiency. 975 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,040 But well, for sure the free market is efficient. 976 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,760 And we touched on this last conversation. 977 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,840 The people best able to maximize resources end up with most of 978 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,360 the resources. The people who can put the best 979 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,760 use of capital to increasing wealth tend to have the most 980 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,160 capital. People want to invest in them 981 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,360 and lend the money and so on. So efficiency is important, 982 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,120 exploitive. Well, that's one of these 983 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,240 subjective things, you know, I mean, I guess everybody would 984 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,640 like to be paid $1,000,000 an hour, I suppose. 985 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:47,320 And, and everybody would like to have all the hot men and women 986 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,080 in the universe throw themselves at their feet. 987 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,080 And you know, what does it mean if that doesn't happen, right. 988 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,400 The idea that there is an abstract value that exists 989 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,480 outside of what you can negotiate is completely bizarre 990 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,800 to me. Like, what am I worth? 991 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,640 I'm worth what I can get people to pay me. 992 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,840 I mean, there's no yes. But in my minds, I, you know, I 993 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,920 should be a movie star and the lead singer of The Rolling 994 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,320 Stones. And like, well, I guess if I can 995 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,720 get The Rolling Stones to put me up front as a lead singer 996 00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:22,400 because they want to commit career suicide, I guess you know 997 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,040 that I could be very, very briefly the lead singer for The 998 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,800 Rolling Stones. Maybe I could do that opening 999 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,080 part if you can't always get what you want with the Alto 1000 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,840 children's choir. But, and so you get what you 1001 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,480 negotiate. That's all. 1002 00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,080 You know, I don't have a right to your time. 1003 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,440 I don't have a right to be on your show. 1004 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,400 You don't have a right. But we talk about it. 1005 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,000 We negotiate and, and here we are. 1006 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,280 So it's called entitlement. It it's a psychological, huge 1007 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,360 psychological problem. Entitlement is the belief that 1008 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,560 you are worth what you estimate yourself to be worth rather than 1009 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,680 what other people accept you to be worth. 1010 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,920 Right. So, you know, like the obese 1011 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,480 women who say men should find me sexy. 1012 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,720 It's like, no, that's not your call. 1013 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,000 That's not your call at all, right? 1014 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,120 I mean, it's what you can negotiate. 1015 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,600 When I was there in the free market, I mean, I'm still in the 1016 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,080 free market, but when I was a corporate executive in the 1017 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,440 software field, yeah, we would try to get investment. 1018 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,080 So we would try to get people to buy a product. 1019 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,720 We would hire people. And it was all about what we 1020 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:27,640 could negotiate. I mean, I wanted to sell my 1021 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,600 software for $10 million a pop, but I could only get $1,000,000. 1022 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,600 Do I say I've been ripped off for $9 million? 1023 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,680 It's like, no, the 10 million is a fantasy. 1024 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,160 What you think you're worth is a fantasy. 1025 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,000 Everybody's the main star in their own production, and we 1026 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,720 should be. But I, you know, how many 1027 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,440 eyeballs do I deserve? As many as I earn. 1028 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,400 How many donations am I worth? As many as I can earn. 1029 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,800 And this idea that there's this abstract value that you have 1030 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,320 that exists only in your own mind and people are ripping you 1031 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,360 off if they don't take it well, that's what rapists think. 1032 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,560 I'm not calling everyone who believes this a rapist, but the 1033 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:10,000 rapist is like, I deserve sex. No, you don't at all, right? 1034 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,080 You deserve what you if you can get a woman to have sex with you 1035 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,680 voluntarily, fantastic. If you can't, leave them alone. 1036 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,000 So this idea that capitalism is exploitive and it underpays 1037 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,200 people and it's like you are what you negotiate. 1038 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,040 You're worth what you negotiate. Now as a kid, that's a different 1039 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,760 matter, right? You don't negotiate as a kid, 1040 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,800 you're just given resources. So again, it's all of this 1041 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,920 incomplete childhood stuff and this resentment. 1042 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:39,560 And I, I, I should get more than I am contributing, which is 1043 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,240 exploitive, right? I mean, if you can contribute 1044 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:46,040 $1,000,000 to a business, you can ask for some portion of that 1045 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,960 in salary. But if you only give $50.00 1046 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,280 worth of value to a business, you can't really ask for 1047 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,840 anything because they, right? So you have to provide value and 1048 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,120 you have to negotiate for it. And other people have to agree 1049 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,440 voluntarily with your assessment of your value. 1050 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,240 And you generally will meet somewhere in the middle, right? 1051 00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:02,680 You want more, they want to pay you less. 1052 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,360 You meet somewhere in the middle and that that's all you're 1053 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,040 worth. And This is why this is not 1054 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,520 anything specific to me. This is sort of a Mesian 1055 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,560 argument that there's no such thing as subjective value. 1056 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,840 Value is always subjective. So when people say I'm exploited 1057 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,200 and I'm underpaid and women should get paid more and these 1058 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,920 people should be paid this and there these people, it's like 1059 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,600 there's this abstract standard of fairness that exists 1060 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,160 independent of what people can negotiate. 1061 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,280 And there just isn't. It's, it's just a fantasy and 1062 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,280 it's just a a complaining bludgeon to try and get 1063 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:40,480 resources by nagging. Two of the biggest propaganda, I 1064 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,440 guess you could say operations that I have come across in my 1065 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,440 life are one, the COVID narrative. 1066 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,000 Turns out that there was no correlation between states that 1067 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,800 had severe lockdown policies and mask mandates with states that 1068 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,160 had either no policy or those policies to a much lesser 1069 00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,080 degree. So that COVID narrative was a 1070 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,360 complete propaganda. Second is the food pyramid. 1071 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,720 In Class I, this would be elementary school in Arizona. 1072 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,560 You always had the Constitution on the wall, the American flag 1073 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,960 on the wall, the presidents on the wall, and the food pyramid, 1074 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,560 which said the primary thing that your diet should be 1075 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,360 surrounded on is bread, pasta, and grains. 1076 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,400 Of course, since this has been embraced, American obesity rates 1077 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,400 have skyrocketed. Check out the carnivore diet. 1078 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,360 Help me lose 110 lbs. So the question is, it's not 1079 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,640 that. Well, maybe the majorities are 1080 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,880 all wrong, but we don't have to worry about the majority. 1081 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,200 They're ignorant. The experts, the majority of the 1082 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,560 experts in these fields, at least the ones that we loudly 1083 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,800 heard from, were wrong on these issues primarily. 1084 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,120 How is it that so many experts could be so blatantly wrong 1085 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,720 about something? Yeah. 1086 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,680 I mean, I think in the future they'll look back in our time 1087 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,640 and say all the gravestones should have been pyramid shaped 1088 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,360 because that's what's killing most people. 1089 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,240 It's absolutely appalling. And I mean, there's a lot of 1090 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,320 politics involved, as, you know, in the, in the food pyramid. 1091 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:13,320 I mean, there were a bunch of heart attacks in, in the 50s and 1092 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,600 in among people in political power. 1093 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:20,200 And they kind of freaked out and they said, oh, it's, you know, 1094 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,480 the fats that are the problem. And so they started stripping 1095 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,640 fat out of food, but then it tasted like cardboard, so they 1096 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,960 started adding sugar. And of course, women went to the 1097 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,040 workforce, which meant that you couldn't make meals from 1098 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,960 scratch. So processed food became more 1099 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:36,600 valid. And, you know, if you ever had 1100 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,320 one of those pizzas maybe before your carnivore thing, you know, 1101 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,560 those frozen pizzas that come on the cardboard, it's like, you 1102 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:42,960 might as well just leave the cardboard on. 1103 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,960 It tastes about the same. I mean, it's just a little bit 1104 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,560 extra roughage. So yeah, food has become 1105 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,960 significantly poisoned in the modern realm. 1106 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:55,560 Of course the sugar industry paid some scientists to say 1107 00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,720 sugar is not the culprit and and so on. 1108 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,560 And so it's all completely corrupt. 1109 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,920 And of course, most of it has to just to do with government money 1110 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,560 and and bad incentives. I mean, the the COVID, the whole 1111 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,880 COVID situation was a Fiat currency situation. 1112 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,880 It was a debt and government money situation. 1113 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,640 COVID had nothing to do with medicine or health as far as 1114 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,680 that goes. Because if you were to go to 1115 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,840 people and you were to say, like, how much money did they 1116 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,680 spend developing the COVID vaccines or, or the mRNA 1117 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,600 technology over the past, you know, it's been 20 years or 1118 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,360 whatever, right? Well, like, I mean, it's 1119 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,560 hundreds of billions of dollars. So I don't know whatever it was, 1120 00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,320 right? So if you were to go to people 1121 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,280 and you would say, OK, there's this virus that's around, even 1122 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,960 if we kind of ignore the bio weapons lab origins of it, which 1123 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,240 to me is an open and shut case. And I made this case years and 1124 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:42,920 years ago called the case against China. 1125 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,600 So even if we were to just say, oh, it just it did come from 1126 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,960 bats, it did come from a pangolin or whatever it is. 1127 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,520 So, so we've got this virus. Here's the problem. 1128 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,280 And the cure is going to cost you $150,000 or the, the, the, 1129 00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,600 the, the shot, right? The, the vaccine is going to 1130 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,000 cost you $150,000, which you know, per person with all the 1131 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,320 debt and you know, and so on. Because not many people would, 1132 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:07,920 would pay that amount of money, right? 1133 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,240 They'd say, OK, are there any other alternative treatments 1134 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:12,960 right now? Of course, as you know, they had 1135 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,200 to suppress alternative treatments to get the emergency 1136 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,080 youth or youth authorization. But they'd say, is there 1137 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,920 anything cheaper? Well, there's this ivermectin 1138 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,480 that won a Nobel Prize and it's really only pennies a dose and 1139 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,120 blah, blah, blah. They'd look for alternatives, 1140 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,360 right? So how was it that they gave 1141 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,600 away this incredibly complicated and expensive technology for 1142 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,680 free? It was government money, 1143 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,160 government spending. So and, and what was the 1144 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,880 incentive to suppress alternative treatments or 1145 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,360 natural immunity or all the other things, right? 1146 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,280 Well, the incentive was that you didn't get access to hundreds of 1147 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,720 billions of dollars of, quote, free government money if there 1148 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,920 were alternative treatments. And of course, as we all know, 1149 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,120 the absolute horror shows that went on inside hospitals where 1150 01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,920 hospitals were paid 10s of thousands of dollars per COVID 1151 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,040 patient and COVID death where patients, hospitals were even 1152 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,120 further incentivized in some places to put people on 1153 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,520 ventilators and so on with the idea of overcoming the cost. 1154 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,520 But it does create the ultimate perverse incentive, which is 1155 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,840 hospitals were in many cases, paid for bad outcomes. 1156 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,480 And we all know that people respond to incentives. 1157 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,640 Of course, there were a lot of honorable and decent doctors who 1158 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,960 did the right thing. We also know, of course, that 1159 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,240 doctors were massively incentivized to have people take 1160 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,200 the vaccines. And like, not just all vaccines, 1161 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,920 but in particular the mRNA, the vaccine, to the tune of 10s or 1162 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,560 sometimes even hundreds of thousands of dollars. 1163 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:41,680 Well, where's that money coming from? 1164 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,320 It's coming from the government. So, so all the funding for these 1165 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,200 labs came from the government, which is of course where I'm 1166 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,800 fairly certain that the virus came from. 1167 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,760 So the money that came for these things only exist because of the 1168 01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:01,480 government and the money for the medicines or the, the, the COVID 1169 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,360 shots came from the government. And then the government handed 1170 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,720 blanket immunity to the manufacturers and then the 1171 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,480 government, at least until they were sued for the documents 1172 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,120 allowed for the some pharmaceutical companies to hide 1173 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:22,200 the data for 75 years. And and that to me was like, 1174 01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,520 come on. I mean, I hate to say IQ test, 1175 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,040 but yeah, it's novel technology. They're not releasing the source 1176 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,960 data and the, the manufacturers are demanding immunity and 1177 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,320 they're saying they know that it's safe and effective with no 1178 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:41,160 long term data. I mean that to me. 1179 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,520 I don't even know what to say. Like I, I can't, I, I genuinely 1180 01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,920 am baffled as to why people fell for this stuff so hard. 1181 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:52,080 But obviously they did. But then they also got, hey, you 1182 01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,320 can feel like a really good person by obeying those in 1183 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,320 charge and hating your fellow citizen. 1184 01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,080 And sadly, that is just a thing that human beings are very 1185 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,120 susceptible to. We're going to give you a gold 1186 01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,280 sticker for obeying those in charge and you get the moral joy 1187 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,720 of hating your fellow citizens who are not conforming. 1188 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,800 And sadly, that's just over and over. 1189 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,960 That's a copy paste in history, which goes back to early 1190 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:18,280 childhood stuff, I think. But so the experts, I mean, 1191 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:23,880 people respond to incentives and people who are not, you know, my 1192 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,000 moral tradition of course, is Christianity. 1193 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:30,760 And so a lot of scientists are anti theistic, right? 1194 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,760 And we'll just talk about Christianity, sort of the 1195 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,640 foundation of Western morals, the combo of Socrates and Jesus. 1196 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:45,520 So why would people tell the truth when they're punished for 1197 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:46,840 it and they're rewarded for lying? 1198 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,360 Well, the only reason you would tell the truth when you're 1199 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,120 punished for telling the truth and rewarded for lying is you 1200 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,440 have an abstract moral principle that surmounts the hedonism of 1201 01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:00,120 immediate material incentives. I mean, Jesus was offered the 1202 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,160 entire world under his dominion if he just worshiped Satan, and 1203 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,760 he's like, Nope, not going to do it, right? 1204 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:11,280 So in the absence of Christianity or in the absence 1205 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,440 of universal moral objective values and rules, people just 1206 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,960 respond to base mammal material immediate incentives. 1207 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,640 Oh, I get approval dopamin. Oh, I get money dopamin. 1208 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,080 Oh, I'm going to have disapproval and punishments for 1209 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,720 not doing what people say. Well, when you take away 1210 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,840 people's abstract morals, they just become basically frightened 1211 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,240 lemmings that are running from the dinosaurs and running 1212 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,080 towards the food. They become like, you know, when 1213 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,600 you're out in the in nature and you, you're walking through this 1214 01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,720 lovely forest, you come across this beautiful Meadow and it's 1215 01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,320 like, well, it's just full of animals trying to eat each 1216 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,600 other, not get eaten and reproduce in often violent ways. 1217 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,760 It just becomes a hedonistic treadmill. 1218 01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,520 And so the experts were responding to all of the 1219 01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:58,080 incentives and I assume absent any overarching moral rules, 1220 01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:02,960 well, they just pretend to be moral and lie and take benefits 1221 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,400 and avoid punishments, right. You would get people to abandon 1222 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,880 morality. They become very easy to 1223 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:11,000 control, which is why the powers that be have a great hostility 1224 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,840 these days for Christianity and moral philosophers to some 1225 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,560 degree, because it's easy to control people without abstract 1226 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,640 moral values, because all you do is threaten them with punishment 1227 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,520 and bribe them with rewards. Oh, you get 90% of people to 1228 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,960 comply without moral rules. So I assume that that's they 1229 01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,800 were experts in maximizing benefits and minimizing 1230 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,800 discomfort. So that's their expertise. 1231 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,080 And I I take all of their statements through that filter. 1232 01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,160 Do you have time for two more or should I push these tip for 1233 01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,120 tomorrow? Let's do one more, if that's all 1234 01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,640 right. Absolutely. 1235 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:44,720 Oh, no. So no, wait. 1236 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,960 There's one other option. I could be concise. 1237 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,880 No, no, let's be real. OK, You know what? 1238 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,240 I will try to be concise because it's not your fault. 1239 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:56,720 I have. My daughter has this, the 1240 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,800 yapping. She just this is yapping, right? 1241 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,640 Yap, yap, yap. And I disagree with her. 1242 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,600 Yap, yap, yap. I get this little Pac-Man thing 1243 01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,800 come through. So you know what, you, you had 1244 01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,800 great questions. I have been fairly happy. 1245 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,520 So, you know, I'll, I'll take on the challenge. 1246 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:17,000 Let's do 2 and I'll be concise. What criteria can we use to 1247 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,440 differentiate evil people from people who genuinely just have a 1248 01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,440 different view of the world? Right. 1249 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,120 Are they villains or are they victims? 1250 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:30,280 This is a big question in life. So people who succumb to 1251 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,280 propaganda, are they driving propaganda because propaganda 1252 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,240 lets them do bad things like hate their fellow citizens for 1253 01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,880 private medical decisions, or are they victims in that they've 1254 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,280 been lied to and don't know about it? 1255 01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:48,240 Well, there is a test and we talked about this briefly so I 1256 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,680 can talk about it even more briefly, which is people go from 1257 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,640 victim victimhood to villainy when they're given accurate 1258 01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:00,360 information, right. So when I talked to people about 1259 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:06,400 the COVID shots, I said, well, they can't possibly know the 1260 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,800 long term effects because it's only been a couple of months and 1261 01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,080 they're not releasing the source data and they want to hide the 1262 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:16,240 documents for 75 years and they've demanded immunity from 1263 01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,920 liability. Now, if people are like, yeah, 1264 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,040 you know what, that is interesting. 1265 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:22,480 I hadn't, you know, then that's fine. 1266 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,440 Then there are people who are looking for information. 1267 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:25,920 They don't have the information yet. 1268 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,480 And they are good actors who lack information, which is true 1269 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,360 for all of us. We all lack information about. 1270 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,600 I mean, I know nothing about virtually anything because, you 1271 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,880 know, the sum total of human knowledge is virtually infinite. 1272 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,360 And what I have is a tiny spot or slice of that. 1273 01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:41,880 Hopefully the principles are overarching. 1274 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:46,800 But so for me, it's like when somebody lacks information, they 1275 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,560 are in a morally neutral place. But when you give them that 1276 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,240 information and they react with hostility, then they're revealed 1277 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,200 not as victims of a lack of information, which we all are to 1278 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,440 a large degree, but they're revealed as villains. 1279 01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,920 And if they, you know, there's this, there's this eerie, 1280 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,840 stunning silence in Canada at the moment about the vaccines 1281 01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,280 and what happened and, and the stripping of rights and travel 1282 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,720 and, and income and so on, right. 1283 01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,920 And so if people were like, wow, you know, I really, I, I went, 1284 01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:22,720 I, I, I fell for this stuff and, and you know, there was some, 1285 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,160 some stuff that was kind of doubtful about it and so on, 1286 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,080 right. But if they don't talk about it 1287 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,160 afterwards and they don't circle back and reflect and say, OK, 1288 01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,960 well, what happened there was IA good guy, was IA bad guy, at 1289 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,600 least have a conversation about it, right? 1290 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,359 Because certainly what people were told at the beginning is 1291 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:40,960 not what has, what has played out. 1292 01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,920 And so people who don't circle back and people who resist the 1293 01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,960 topic, people who resist knowledge or in the possession, 1294 01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,040 possession of knowledge, still believe things that are false 1295 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,520 and wrong. That to me is when they go from 1296 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:58,720 victim to villain. The iron law of oligarchy states 1297 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,279 all complex organizations, regardless of how democratic 1298 01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:04,680 they are when started, eventually develop into 1299 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,520 oligarchies. Since no sufficiently large and 1300 01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,720 complex organization can function purely as a direct 1301 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,439 democracy, power within an organization will always get 1302 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,000 delegated to individuals within that group, elected or 1303 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,920 otherwise. Does the existence of the iron 1304 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,880 law of oligarchy basically refute all of leftism that all 1305 01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:29,120 of us can be equally participants in society? 1306 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,080 So you know this old meme in Minecraft, I don't know if you 1307 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,160 know this, this old meme where you say something that could get 1308 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,760 you in trouble with the authorities and then you say in 1309 01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,720 Minecraft, right? And there's this meme, you know, 1310 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,840 like we should do XY and Z terrible thing in Minecraft, 1311 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,560 right? And, and this the, the meme of 1312 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,800 the FBI agent ripping off his, oh, come on, he said in 1313 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,840 Minecraft, right? And so to me, like all of these 1314 01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:58,040 rules and these laws, it's like in statism, you know, it's, it's 1315 01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,720 like, if, if somebody's like, oh, I'm an expert biologist, I 1316 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,400 study all these animals. And then you look, and I studied 1317 01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,040 all these animals and learn their nature and their 1318 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,920 properties and what they do and what they don't do and what they 1319 01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:08,360 like and don't like and their habits. 1320 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,960 And then he never mentions to you that he only ever studies 1321 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:15,000 animals in a zoo. It's like that's not animals in 1322 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,800 their natural state, that's animals in a zoo. 1323 01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:23,240 And so the iron lore of oligarchy is like that's in 1324 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,560 statism. Things get more and more complex 1325 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,800 and, and you have less and less impact and things get in 1326 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,240 statism. So it is certainly true that 1327 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,240 organizations get bigger and bigger and more complex and then 1328 01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,640 become unwieldy. And then in a free market, they 1329 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,080 collapse into their constituent elements and the whole process 1330 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:47,720 starts again. In statism, you can prop these 1331 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,960 companies up with preferential laws, hiring policies, 1332 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,240 government grants, loans, protection from foreign 1333 01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,200 competition, tariffs, you name it, right? 1334 01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,640 So I mean, everybody knows in Japan for like the last 40 1335 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,880 years, they've been these zombie corporations that are kept alive 1336 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,280 through government spending, right? 1337 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,200 I mean, they have what, the highest per capita national debt 1338 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,760 in the world, right? And so in statism, yes, oh gosh, 1339 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,480 you know, things get really complicated and, and corrupt and 1340 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,880 and bad and wrong and this and that and the other. 1341 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:22,120 It's like, yes, in statism, but that's like looking at animals 1342 01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,240 in a zoo and think you understand something about the 1343 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,840 nature of animals. Human beings are in a human zoo. 1344 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,160 We are in tax livestock farms called countries and we are 1345 01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,800 constantly prodded and pushed and bullied and threatened and, 1346 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,880 and, and, and coerced and lied to and, and we are, we are in a 1347 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:44,080 state of anxiety and existential coercion and sometimes direct 1348 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:50,000 coercion, right. So whatever we look at when we 1349 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,360 are looking at human nature or we are looking at social 1350 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,200 organization or we are looking at corporations, corporations, 1351 01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,320 illegal fictions invented by the state so that rich people can 1352 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,520 pillage organizations for all the profits while approving none 1353 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,800 of the liabilities, right, 'cause the corporation takes the 1354 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:11,200 liability, right? So if you are a bad guy and the 1355 01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,840 corporation does some bad things, the corporation gets 1356 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,240 sued. You get to keep usually all the 1357 01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:16,520 money. Occasionally if there's criminal 1358 01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,400 things, that wouldn't be the case, but the corporation is a 1359 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,560 big magical shield. Where in you say, Oh no, it's my 1360 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,720 invisible friend who committed all the crimes so you can just 1361 01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,840 throw him in jail. Oh, my invisible friend has been 1362 01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,840 dissolved, therefore there's no wrongdoing. 1363 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,720 I mean, corporations are horrible legal fictions invented 1364 01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,880 to bribe the elites to be enslaved and depended upon and 1365 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,240 therefore praising our political power as a whole. 1366 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,400 So whenever our people say, well, human beings are like this 1367 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,040 and there's this inevitable cycle of civilization and 1368 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,320 there's this corruption and these organizations are too big 1369 01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,760 to and the corruption and politics gets into like in 1370 01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,840 statism. Why is art so much crap? 1371 01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,800 Because lying to people through art is incredibly profitable. 1372 01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,080 Because every election in most Western democracies is 1373 01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,800 responsible for the transfer of hundreds of billions of dollars 1374 01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,960 worth of resources. And people love political power. 1375 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:05,880 They, they're addicted to it, right? 1376 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,240 So when we say, well, you know, our inevitably becomes 1377 01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,760 politicizer in statism and corporations inevitably become 1378 01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,720 corrupt in statism, well, there's regulatory capture in 1379 01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,120 that the, the people, the government agencies that are 1380 01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,600 supposed to regulate these industries always end up being 1381 01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,840 controlled by those industries in statism. 1382 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:28,320 So, yeah, there's all these national debts in statism. 1383 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,960 You can't have a national debt without a statist society. 1384 01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,720 So I I as long as people say in statism, right? 1385 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:38,960 I mean, it's sort of like saying, you know, all of the 1386 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:43,160 manual laborers are demotivated. And you're saying that in 1387 01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,880 ancient Greece, right? It's like, well, yes, but it's 1388 01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:52,040 it's slavery, right. So the problem with manual 1389 01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,400 laborers is they're just unmotivated and they just, you 1390 01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,200 have to keep prodding and pushing them and they don't want 1391 01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,080 to work in. And this is like the problem of 1392 01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,800 human nature. And it's like, no, it's a 1393 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,160 problem of slavery. Now, once you free the slaves, 1394 01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,240 then you get some pretty hard workers who are kind of 1395 01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,600 entrepreneurial sometimes and they don't resent as much and 1396 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,840 productivity goes up. You get labor saving devices all 1397 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,560 you get the modern world. So when slavery was foundational 1398 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,560 to all civilizations, as it was throughout all human history 1399 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,560 until relatively recently, then you would say, well, I mean, of 1400 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:21,760 course you have to whip your slaves. 1401 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,480 They have no motivation. They don't do anything unless 1402 01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:26,920 you force them to. And it's like in slavery. 1403 01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:33,560 And, and so taking as axiomatic what organizations and human 1404 01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:38,000 beings do in statism and saying that this is some sort of 1405 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,720 foundational existential thing, it's like, no, these are all 1406 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,040 just shadows cast by the system we choose to accept. 1407 01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,720 And if we start to think of a different system, then we can 1408 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,440 have different outcomes. So I would not accept that as 1409 01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,320 anything other than describing the actions of human beings 1410 01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,840 trapped in a fairly hellish zoo, which we kind of are. 1411 01:14:56,040 --> 01:15:00,280 And so when we start thinking outside the system, we don't 1412 01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,200 have to look at these as iron laws, but simply the shadows 1413 01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,360 cast by the coercion we accept in society. 1414 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,440 Thank you to everyone for watching Keith and I don't tread 1415 01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:11,560 on anyone in the Libertarian Institute. 1416 01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,160 Check out free domain.com in the description below. 1417 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,080 Mr. Molyneux, thank you so much for your time. 1418 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,560 Thank you, I appreciate it, and thank you for access to your 1419 01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:19,560 audience. We'll talk soon.