Bona, do you blame president Assad for this?
Yes. What is your message to
president Assad? I am very sad.
A lot of died and no one had them.
The word is watching the word, doesn't do anything.
What do you want the world to do?
I want, stop the war. And I want the, the children of
Syria, bleh, and go to school lives in the We can look at
that. We can help them together.
We can save them Bona when you saw the video and the pictures
of what happened in Syria this week.
What did you think? I am very sad about.
All right. I can't take too much of it.
Welcome to keep night. Don't tread on anyone, please,
just notice that this is actually from CNN's official
YouTube. That's why I was playing.
It from there. Yes.
I had to double-check it because I couldn't believe that, that
was real. Welcome to Keith's.
My don't tread on anyone. And the libertarian Institute
today. I am so happy to be joined by
Monica Perez. He is the co-host of the
propaganda report podcast, Miss Perez.
Where is the best place to find your work?
The proper report.com or my Twitter feed which is at Monica
Perez show, terrific. Alrighty, so you and I each have
about 10 10. 15 experiments or I shouldn't say that techniques
that the media users in order to persuade the masses in unjust
ways. We could categorize as
propaganda. Give me your first two
techniques bandwagoning, which is kind of the fear of missing
out, fomo thing. Biden did it today?
Hey, kids, if for young people, if you didn't want to get your
vaccinations, guess, what? Now?
You can go to parties with other backs people.
Cuz we're telling you, you can take your masks off.
So that's bandwagoning. It's the fear of missing out.
Then there's loaded words, loaded words like hater or
conspiracy theorists to make anybody who thinks one way, or
says one thing a hole in the basket of deplorable as if you
will but then it works the other way too.
So you've got the healthcare Heroes.
So those are the loaded words that just trigger thoughts and
emotions right off the bat. Healthcare hero is rough because
it's one of those words that almost kind of Rhymes no-fly.
No-buy, raise the minimum wage. It's so catchy.
It's like, well, it's gotta be true.
I mean, can't fly in a plane. Can't buy a gun and it Rhymes.
Well, I guess we we what we have to give given to that.
When you hear something like that.
Let's start with the bandwagon effect and you are with some of
your friends who might not be into this.
Do you have any methods that you use to sort of communicate?
That you know what? I get that.
I am not part of the popular group apologies, but I also have
a rational position to stand on. You try to ever convince them or
just show them the same disapproval back.
How do you deal with it? I try to appeal to critical
reasoning and also past experiences and times when I've
made observations that have been correct that they have regretted
not following like, That that thing is bad for you.
There have been a lot of medicines in the past that make
people sick and you can say hey that thing makes you sick.
Like the vaccine I was saying to people along because I was
really keeping up with the literature and the trials and
stuff. Like this can have a they tell
people that there are blood that they ask you two questions
that's on one of the list for the vaccines.
Are you pregnant? Or are you on blood?
I said, well that's a little bit of a flag.
So let's watch and see if there any connection between vaccines
and blood thinner or thickening issues and that happened.
So when buying says something like that, I say well, why don't
we just wait a little while and see what happens like we did
last time and I would say once somebody is There's basically I
think three kinds of people people who were three categories
in this case, people who absolutely question.
There's either like, yeah, you're right people who?
Do not question like they get mad at you.
If you say that there, they said, well, I'm getting the
vaccine as soon as possible because and this is another
fallacy along the line. I don't want to stand in the I
don't want to feed into anti-vaccine sentiment which is
evil and and that is. So you've got those people what
in the middle you have people who may still be open to reason.
And you just ask them like, what's the hurry?
What's your risk? Like, let's think about a
cost-benefit analysis. Have you done the research?
Can we just talk about that? That that actually goes to
another, I'll tell you this, isn't it something for later in
the show, but that a lot of these things have overlapping
fallacies, an interlocking ways to deal with it.
So you could go watch, right goes Brad.
Frankly watches a lot of videos from the people who try to
promote propaganda of the D to get protesters out there to
cause confrontations with make people, you know, maybe somebody
in a wheelchair causing confrontation with somebody,
they want to make look bad, that kind of thing and you hear them
telling people telling their kind of soldiers, how to react
what to say to somebody. And that's when kind of the
bandwagon and the little bandwagoning in the loaded.
Where is kind of go together because loaded words, then you
say, well, what are you a hater? Are you going to kill Grandma?
It is that's how it. So I think those things will all
work together and you have to just, you cannot deal with the
people who are already completely brainwashed into one
way of thinking, you have to see if there's anybody left with a
hair of critical reasoning. And I'm not saying people were
anti-vaxxers. I don't care about them either.
But if you're going to have that conversation about is this
propaganda had to get somebody out of brainwashing and I don't
I don't care about factors or anti-vaxxers.
All I really care about critical thinking and of course,
individual liberty. Excellent.
Excellent points there. My first one is whenever they
say the news, this might be trivial.
But here's here's what I think of it.
So here is Jerry Seinfeld on Johnny Carson Show.
He says to me the most amazing thing about the news is that
whatever goes on in the world. It exactly fits the number of
pages that they're using in the paper that day.
I mean, I know, they must just stand around after each
addition. Even going, I don't believe it.
We just made it again. If one more thing happens, we're
screwed. There is no more room on this
paper. The joke is, well, they either
selectively choose things to leave out.
And in order to make things fit. They will push things that are
not necessary in order for you to operate in the world.
So it's not like there's bias and unbiased there was only
biased news even when you're watching this, show I choose to
report on things. That I'm passionate about and
that I care about and push my ideas of self-ownership.
So there's no such thing as unbiased.
Whether I spend one second or thousands of hours talking about
something. Well, that is a bias of Mine by
not reporting on say Abu ghraib Fox News is not, you know,
totally, they're not lying about it, but they're also not giving
you an accurate world view with regard to say foreign policy.
Also, if that's the only thing you've ever talked about with
regard to foreign policy. That's also bias.
So just calling it the news as if there's one set of things
that has happened as opposed to I mean, you know, every time
there's a shooting or whatever you can say.
Well there's about a hundred and sixty three thousand deaths a
day on planet Earth. Why are you focusing on this
one? Like I get Casey Anthony or
o.j.? Simpson, big events, very
different. I could see that making it, but
just these average ones, like, in America alone.
It's like fifteen thousand homicides.
Or so, every time they're choosing something.
They're selecting that because it's their bias just like I have
mine. So, once I saw that, and I sort
of saw the press as just a different religious
organization. Pushing the religion of statist
progressivism, then it's like, you know, it's just like the
Church of Scientology. Are they actively lying?
No, but they selectively choose to amplify some things, diminish
others, and probably exaggerated their inner biases and Don
Lemon. Is just a high priest of
socialism. What is your third and fourth
propaganda item? Okay, transfer is what they call
one. I'm not sure that may go a
little bit with Celebrity testimonial.
I might, I might have to say that those are two.
So, transfer is, when I have an example from a book.
I like it's called government. The biggest scam in history is
pretty funny and it's just, it shows, it's just page after page
of basically. It's all propaganda techniques.
It's all demonstrations and it Compares like the USSR and Nazi,
Germany and East Germany, and the US and the propaganda
techniques they use. But he Points out in that book
that every Michael Bay movie at the end, has some triumphant
moments where the hero Rises From the Ashes and every single
time. Basically, it cuts away to or
has in the background, the American flag, and that just
takes the emotions that you just built up after two hours of
watching that movie and you really.
I mean, I will, I will cry at a Transformers movie, like if it's
done. Well, you know what, I mean, you
will get emotionally involved with you, watch her.
That's a big ol, robot or not. And as you sit, there really
feeling this feeling of joy, and gratitude and Triumph.
And one with the moment. You see the US flag in the back
and they do that also with like the Confederate flag.
So when I was growing up, I mean Yankee.
So I don't know from What the deeper meaning was, but to the
extent people in my town, listen to Southern rock or whatever.
They would have Confederate flags, and I always thought it
was just about States. Writes, I understand that
slavery was a states rights issue and I don't like that.
That sucks and needs to be addressed.
But I didn't think of the flag as a symbol of racism, but it
now is a symbol of racism and it.
So if you put the Confederate flag behind a country singer,
your he's going to get cancelled.
Because that symbol has been so effective and you can just by
putting it in the same frame. You can transfer that feeling of
repugnance towards the person who stands near it.
And then the, like I hand in hand one with that is a
testimonial, or like a false testimonial so you have and this
does go with the transference thing.
So there's an example Tom Hanks is like the perfect example of
like somebody who goes out. There and presents for the
propaganda machine. So transfer is he actually said
it overtly I believe it was in The Simpsons movie where he came
out and they had some message and he said the government has
no credibility. So it's borrowing some of mine.
I'm delivering this message to you on behalf of the US
government and then he would ever said the message.
But but then you have and this is something that also kind of
goes with the loaded. It's thing.
Dolly Parton. Who's so sweet, and I've always
loved her making a little rhyme about how if you don't get the
vaccine. You're a coward.
So she uses loaded words, but she's also a celebrity.
It's also like a de facto testimonial.
She's getting the vaccine. It's safe to get the vaccine.
Tom Hanks, went and made a commencement speech at right
University. Of course, it was virtual and he
was telling those kids that they were Heroes, just like the
greatest Generation gave their lives on the front lines for
whatever propaganda message that they were told because they
weren't even told about the Holocaust at that point, but
whatever they were. Old was the message that made
them the greatest generation and they gave their lives and stuff.
But these people are now walking in their footsteps because they
did the courageous thing and stay at home and like that
sounds like and actually that's another that's another fallacy
which is called the false analogy.
So I'm giving myself three. I just I just used a third one.
So now I'm sorry, but it's an old until yeah, you're right.
How much overlap there's it's not like this one is in this
category and then everything else is totally different.
And the good thing is once you're able to think clearly and
see through all of these, you don't have to, like, remember
the exact name of it. Once you, once you see through
the curtain, you're able to, oh, yeah.
Was my sister calls. It tlm think like, Monica, as
soon as like, you take those scales off your eyes and you're
just like, oh, I get it. I know why Rogan said that about
the vaccinations. I get that.
He's he needs credibility. Got, he's losing a little bit of
credibility. You went to Spotify and they
took a bunch of his old stuff down, but there are plenty of
anti-vaxxers around him. Being a limited hangout.
He came out recently said, if I had a really healthy person, I
might say, don't get it, you know, people like it's like when
somebody gets to say that lots of people get to say that they
have to represent that part and if they can include him in there
and that's another celebrity thing.
That's another but it's like more sophisticated propaganda
because it's a limited hangout. It's somebody, you can't have
everybody who makes a lot of money.
And Hollywood saying the exact same thing.
You have to have a Matthew McConaughey or Rogen or somebody
in Texas seeing something a little bit off.
Because, remember Texas, is that, please where people have
some people sell Confederate flags behind the, but a lot of
people have u.s. Planes behind them.
So that even a place can be a celebrity, of course, and that's
why they get into things like cointelpro and patcon.
So they could be part of these resistance movements.
That's just explicitly done on there and you don't even have to
speculate Second one is my name for, this is word proximity.
Now, that's a terrible name for what?
I'm about to describe but what they will do is take something
and just use other words to associate it with that thing in
order to get you to not like the final thing.
So 9/11 happens and act of terrorism, Islamic terrorism.
Al-Qaeda Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, North Korea.
That's how they're able to sort of use these things.
They'll be like there are terrorists in the Middle East
and Saddam has harbored them. What does that even mean?
You're just associating terrorism with Saddam.
After you first mentioned, 911 or they'll say something like,
well 9/11 happened and that's or it'll be something like, well,
we had to go in Afghanistan after 9/11.
Well, what they should be saying is they already planned on going
into Afghanistan as early as September 4th of 2001 with All
Security Presidential Directive, 9.
So it's not. So it's not like, you know, that
they, they just something happened and then everyone was
so confused and then they looked into it and then, and then they
were having vicious debates. Where should we go?
How much time should we spend? The plan was already in action?
So you don't get to say, I plan on having Monica on for because
I love the propaganda report and then something happens two days
from now. And me saying, oh, yeah.
That was the reason I had Iran. No, if I already planned and had
an original justification, that was my justification.
And the justification was to remove the Taliban.
Obviously, that's still what they're talking about now.
So the second example of order proximity very dumb name, please
mention in the comments, a better name for this.
Yeah, they'll they'll say, well now, we're back to domestic
news. So we're reporting about the
rise in Asia Asian hate crimes. Ever since Donald Trump had Lame
China for the virus. There was a man who shot a
number of Asian people the on the story now.
So what they did is they say Trump started the you know, the
Kung Fu Wuhan virus word. And then this is causing people
to do that when they were totally unrelated.
He had, you know, gone in there because he thought the massage
parlor was taking advantage of him so he could get you know,
intimate Services there whatever.
But so they lie without explicitly.
Lying. That is word, proximity, Monica.
What are your fourth? And fifth examples of how the
media is able to control the masses, with propaganda methods?
I'm gonna go with, I have to go back to pulse analogy, because I
didn't give my real example. My real example of the force
false analogy was recently. There was an this several people
told me this example to me, even though I had seen It like on
Tick Tock or something. So I knew that it was it was
like the September fourth effect or whatever where it was already
in the works. And people are telling me is
that they've thought of it and it was young women saying, hey,
I should worry about the fact you would not believe the things
I put in my body like birth control.
And my answer is you do a cost-benefit analysis with birth
control. The problem with the vaccine.
Is that that For the women is that we have not yet completed
that cost benefit analysis and it's not and so until you know,
the actual cost and the actual benefits quantifiably, which you
do. Basically I think with the birth
control, it's not the same thing because one has greater risk
than the other or unclear benefits.
And so they set that up so you can say oh, yeah, right.
It's no worse than birth control is like, well, you really don't
know. You really don't know the
answer. That's a quantifiable.
Question. And so I just felt like false
analogy was something that you see all the time and that was
the thing with Tom Hanks, and you're the greatest Generation
because you're sitting on the couch.
Another one was snob appeal snob appeal, so or like hero complex,
maybe you want to call it, where a lot of people will say.
You don't know anything about science because you just a
dumbass heck and whatever. /. So the Rural America voted for
Trump and they really need to have internet because like, you
know, Wi-Fi because we have to expand internet Broadband access
to the Rural America because they're so stupid.
And if they weren't so stupid, they would understand the
science behind all these policies that, by the way, the
science keeps changing, but then you're a conspiracy theorist.
If you don't like the science and then on the on the right,
Have, well, I'm saving children from pedophiles and Trump is
Batman, you know, so like it's not the snob aspect of it, but
it's similar in that it you're the hero in the story and just
by saying that, even though stopping pedophiles isn't within
the responsibility or the power of the executive of the federal
government. It's a criminal thing.
And I actually don't even think the Department of Justice. has,
I think it's obviously unconstitutional but to the, to
the extent that People were proud of their support of trump
because he was going to save the world from pedophiles.
That is this idea that you are. You are the hero you are doing
something so Grand that it cannot be questioned.
But but you have to like then goes, is he really saving the
world from pedophiles? Who are the pedophiles?
Where are they? Where, what is this plan?
What is the timeframe here? What is he not doing any?
When he's spending his time and effort.
You know, what is he giving up? What does he trading off?
Is that why we got four trillion dollar deficits, but it's
emotional, so you don't get into that.
That's what all of this stuff is.
All of it is exploiting emotions.
At the expense of critical thinking.
Yet. He also he also wished Glenn
Maxwell, good luck after she was arrested not exactly what I
would like to hear. What exactly what I would like
to hear if I was a trump supporter or maybe even a victim
of the Maxwell crime syndicate. How about the FBI rating
Epstein's Manhattan residents a year ago, and we still don't
have anything even though according to Virginia Roberts
There Was You Know, hidden cameras everywhere and he used
it. For blackmail, even though woman
from ABC Amy robach said when she looked into it, she's like,
yeah, he was running a blackmail operation, but we still aren't
still. I'm sure they're just about to
let us in on what they found we're doing.
I think we will never see a picture of Glenn Maxwell alive
again. I'm not saying she's not alive.
I'm just saying we will never. We haven't seen one in years.
I bet you think that you've seen pictures of her for years.
We haven't seen a new picture of her.
A new picture. You know what happened?
Thing. But whatever you're going to
now, observe it because I put in your head but you're going to
observe you're not going to find anything taken since this time
of year in 2019 at the earliest. I believe these.
Well, hey that thank you for giving us at least a
falsifiable. Well, I think because we just
saw the other one the other day of her and Epstein a day.
Bill Clinton fundraiser, or I think it was like a exact.
It was, it was at the White House and there?
Smiling. There's that guy in the
background laughing. It's like, does he know what's
going on? I got well now, I'm just making
stories up in my mind to make this bigger than it.
Probably is, but just just to see how how close it is.
And these are the people telling us, you know, what?
Where's that them without them. There'd be chaos and we're kind
of dumb and primitive. So we need them to constantly
regulate Us in cages for victimless crimes.
It was guys, but where's that picture been all these years?
Yeah, you know when they were pushing the truck narrative,
that's what Binkley brights. The show today.
It was like, they don't tell me that that I've seen was a trump
thing. Like, yeah.
Well, that's why they didn't bring that picture out because
they needed to make it seem like it was As Trump as it was
Clinton, unreal, unreal. My third one is called
unobtainable Perfection. I'm quoting from Madson, Prairie
in the use and abuse of logic. Had a win every argument.
When the arguments for, and against courses of action are
assessed. It is important to remember that
the choice. To be made from the available
Alternatives. All of them might be criticized
for their imperfections as might the status quo.
Unless one of the options is perfect.
The imperfections of others are insufficient grounds for
rejection. The fallacy of unobtainable
perfection is committed when the lack of perfection is urged, as
a basis for rejection, even though none of the Alternatives
is perfect either. So, I just saw this yesterday.
Paul krugman's, tweet went viral when he said the Woman who
debunked the myth of the free market.
It's such a click Beatty thing. And the worst part is, is I
clicked on it and right after I clicked I go, dang it.
The Wayback machine, I could have used that without giving me
without you. I don't have the time to avoid
that stuff. Yeah.
Okay. So what they had said was that
you see there are people who think that, you know, there's
like this perfect free market, but there isn't okay, first.
Paul, who is saying that it's perfect, because I've done a lot
of research with the austrians, and the Chicago school, and the
men artists and the objectivist. And I've never heard the word
perfect. I've heard fascinating.
I've heard greatly Innovative. I've heard way better than the
Alternatives, but if I ever heard perfect, I'd know that
someone was lying. Just because nothing, it's a
markets are full of people and people are imperfect, right?
Defined. It may be, that is perfect.
So so the article says that, At what happens is you actually
have imperfect competition. Therefore the state has the
right to regulate Industries because you know, markets are
imperfect. Every single thing on earth is
imperfect. So yes, markets are imperfect,
you know, who else are imperfect?
The Regulators and the politicians who are who are
giving us the regulatory information in the first place.
So every human being on the planet is imperfect and their
criticism is that Is imperfect and you actually have to define
the term in order to establish what perfect would be.
And isn't it? Perfect that human beings are so
different. Yeah.
I mean, I mean, it's just it's
the equivalent of me saying Monica.
I have it on good authority that you are imperfect.
Therefore. I have the right to rule you and
if you and if you don't, if I catch you not obeying my edicts,
my employees are going to cage you and shoot you.
If you resist that they can make me a better.
Harmonica that I can make me exam the perfect.
Exactly possible. Exactly.
You need to feel really insecure but I need to have confidence
that I know what's right for millions of strangers who I've
never even met. So you you don't have that much
info. I have so much info that anyone
who disobeys me should be cage so that it was just all over.
He kept saying, imperfect competition, the fallible
Marketplace. Yes, it is fallible.
As is everything else on on planet Earth.
I'm trying to remember if there was anything else.
Oh their criticism. I forgot what the main criticism
was. I was so pissed off the main
criticism. If you're driving in a car, pull
over because for your own safety, you might swerve into
oncoming their claim, was that there could potentially be
monopolies in the absence of a state.
So just quickly that governments the number one cause of
Regulation, which gives Us fewer options, which creates
oligopolies. And the state itself is a
monopoly on Taxation and Regulation and issuing the money
supply. So, the article just could not
have been worse. I'm sorry for that long raining
outside of the government, and I'll tell you why there's no
such thing as natural monopolies, because in order to
define a monopoly, you Do there have to be, no substitutes.
There's always a substitute for everything until you get to the
point of Necessities which which are not scarce.
Like food water. Whatever, somebody wear it.
Can you imagine a natural state where there is a monopoly, a
worldwide Monopoly on food, a natural state, where there's a
worldwide Monopoly on food? It's just too.
I just grows up unbidden from the ground so you'd have to use
force and that's government. So, I would say like you can't
have a monopoly movie theater, because television is a, is an
alternative or playing badminton.
You can't have a monopoly on roads because well, just walk or
Go there, grow potato. Like you don't have to have
those things. You know, that means you have to
have them, you're not going to die without them.
So therefore people aren't forced to use them unless they
are. Yeah, and as the price increases
are the quality decreases, people will use substitutes.
The best example is like Lawrence read the current
president emeritus of fee, says that, you know, there was a lot
of claiming that the cereal industry was a Polly well
Monopoly on what breakfast? Okay, exactly.
And then you go. All right.
We're gonna go around. Everyone tell me what they had
for breakfast today. Bacon.
Okay, competition, you eggs competition, oatmeal competition
of you don't eat breakfast. Oh, well, then they're going out
of business all. But that's even back.
So yeah, ridiculous. And I have one little thing for
you to put in your Lexicon is Albert, J.
Knock and our enemy the state. He makes your point that That
and this is from the 30s. He said, if you do a bad job,
handling your finances, the government wants to come in and
regulate banking the government which has a track record of
being the worst with financial self regulation in the history
of humanity. Like nothing could be worse than
government for managing finances.
If that's truly what they say they're going to do, they it's
very clear that they're not going to do it intentionally or
unintentionally, so he talks. Vegas.
But what's funny is, if you read our enemy, the state, which is
very short. It's from the 30s and it really
describes everything that happens right now.
So I haven't yet. You know, I'm gonna have to
reread it. I remember he did a great job of
explaining the difference between society and the state
state government, which was just so hard for me to grasp before I
got into politics at all. And even today you hear it's
like is China our friend or not. I go, it's trying to the name.
Are you talking about Blac Chyna?
Rob, Kardashian's ex girlfriend or a billion people?
Okay billion people. Well, well, we're going to break
that down then. What are your fifth and sixth
example of propaganda methods? Okay, I'm going to say these
kind of go with your ears a little bit the least of Evil's.
So and there are two kind of related, things least of evil.
So when you're voting, you vote democrat or republican.
Because what would happen if you voted for the wrong evil.
Well a worse evil would happen such as either.
You know, abortion rights would be taken away or abortion would
be would not be taken away or gun rights.
We save are not to be taken away.
So if you get down to those, like single issues, you can say
you can convince people that they must vote for a Republican
or a Democrat because there's there's your you only have a
choice between evils and I think that goes a little bit with your
perfect thing. And then the other one that's
kind of similar is the Evil or fallacy?
So I someone said to my young son once before.
He probably even really fully grasps the names of these words.
Are you a feminist or a misogynist?
Nice? Well done.
It's like I I'm definitely neither and, and the guys like,
yeah, you have to, you're one or the other and he just asked me
like, do I have to be one or the other?
You definitely do not so that was the either-or fallacy.
And I think we hear that a lot. Like, here's, here's one.
I don't even know exactly what categories put it in, but do
black lives matter or do all lives matter.
Hmm. Like, how do you answer that
question? Like it's a, it's a crazy
question. So means it's an imp.
It's a setup. Obviously.
It's a trap of a question and I feel like it falls into that.
You're forced to give an answer. That does not express like the
nuances of bigger issues. They try to jam issues into
words, you know, and that's and that brings you to loaded words
and snob appeal like the black lives and I like, whichever
answer you demonstrate, which category your in sophisticated
or hayseed symbolism. Like it all goes together.
You in the basket of deplorable. 'S Whatever.
So we might have to start using that one.
Are you for volunteerism or enslavement?
I have a notepad with me and I just want to Mark you down.
I want, I want to know what box I should check next to your
name. That's great.
Oh my gosh, we do need to start using that one.
My next one is repetition and avoiding the root.
So, I had Chase use of the behavior panel on my show and he
said, if I Describe mind control in one word.
It would be repetition. Now, think of how they will
constantly. I promises last time I'll ever
bring up this example, but it's so on point.
There's a comedian whose like I thought quicksand would be a
much bigger problem when I was a child, and now that I'm an
adult, I've never run into it. Another words.
Oh, no one ever said, watch out for quicksand.
You're probably going to run into it two or three times a
week. They just kept showing us again
and again and again and we Assumed it was a problem because
we never really thought about it.
Well, how about today? Is there anything you keep
hearing about again and again and again and again, but how
often do you hear about tuberculosis deaths?
Or is there an answer death? There?
Is there is there a you know? Suicide death count.
Is there a homicide death counts, of course, it happens
with police interactions with civilians.
So they'll keep saying up. There was another shooting a
quick LeBron. James tell us.
Tell us how to respond. Well, there's, you know, fifteen
thousand homicides a year as I mentioned earlier.
Why is this one? So vital and why are they only
mentioning, you know, certain Dennis Prager brought up a great
Point first time for everything. He said that.
Why don't we even know the name of the African American police
officer who shot and killed Ashley Babbitt.
Now, was she breaking the law? Yeah, but so was George.
Floyd, Eric Garner was Breaking the law.
So what does that? Give them the justification to
kill? So the point is, is that again,
they're using the sort of repetition so they can avoid the
root. And the main problem is police
claim. The right to rule innocent
people and initiate violence against them because of the
badge, where and group called statism.
So they'll they also did this with democracy.
Unfortunately. They said the Monarch is
terrible, therefore, because we don't vote, we need to vote.
Well, you're avoiding the road. Root problem is the Monopoly on
defense provision and the initiation of aggression.
Not the fact that we don't get to vote but they love to issue
in fake solutions. That won't actually solve
anything. So, you know, of course deaths
like Ashley Babbitt, Duncan lamp, Kelly, Thomas, John
Hendrick, Tyler Hayes. John Doe a all of those get
ignored so they can push the repetition mind control agenda.
What are your seventh and eighth examples?
I think they're my 9th and 10th. Oh, are they your 9th and 10th?
I apologize. Six.
Seven eight. Yeah.
Only because I'm running out which I think also goes under
the name of glittering generalities.
And we see that all the time. We saw it with Obama.
I used to say, he says absolutely nothing hope and
change means nothing. I used to call it a phenomenon
of the psychic paper. Her doctor who he would hold up.
It was called psychic paper and he his badge like, you know, you
see Mulder holds up an FBI badge.
Well Doctor Who would hold up a badge, but it was just a blank
piece of paper like a whiteboard and you would project onto it.
You would see with your eyes. What he just told you he was.
So I felt like people listening to Obama who never voted in the
Senate and used to say hope and change.
They would just project onto him.
What they wanted to believe about him.
And that's where Victor and Trump did the exact opposite,
but with the exact same effect, so I used to call his method,
the art of ambiguity. So his book was called The Art
of the deal, but his opening Salvo to launch his campaign.
Basically said, now people get mad at me because they like,
you're not quoting him correctly.
I'm not quoting him. But the propaganda message that
propaganda nugget that he delivered that day was Was
Mexicans are rapists and also nice people?
So then you have this art of ambiguity.
So everybody on the left, just like, did you just call Mexicans
racist and everybody on the right?
It was like he said, some of them were nice people.
He's only calling rapists rapists.
And that's how he is entire. I would say his entire
presidency was him saying two things, vaguely like he would
say, basically the opposite thing at the same time.
In vague enough terms. So that whatever you wanted to
project onto his meaning, you actually have a soundbite to
prove your point. And then you have the problem of
like it's totally out of context which is fine.
If that were something that people really held a standard
to. But you don't, it's all about
sound bites. And then you have to wonder if
this guy has ever watched television, did he?
We know he has right. So does he not understand how
sound bites worked? Really want to say.
Mexicans are racists. Rapist.
It and then later, say, some of them are, it's like that.
Nobody would die. I don't even want to say that to
you because they're what I did was create that clip.
But yeah, really, you know, we're going to save space.
But I just that so that they terms is a big one and then card
card stacking and I think that goes with kind of faulty cause
and effect and I probably don't probably not the greatest thing
that I'm using only current examples because they're all
still charged and I could go back and he's other examples,
but they're so top of mind. But card stacking is when you
cherry pick or distort data to prove your point.
Hmm, and and, and it goes, I think hand-in-hand, with the
folks, he cause and effect thing in my example, which is the
other files in my last house is full Tico.
As an effect relationship. And so if you, I was reading, I
read the most recent trials, the most final strike, Phase 2
trial, whatever. It was of Pfizer and moderna
before they were, when they were authorized for emergency use by
the FDA and it was amazing to me because there were in both
trials, put together, there were 80,000 people 15 each the
vaccine group. And the control group in the
moderna wine. And the Pfizer one had over
20,000 in each group and of those, like, 80,000 people half
of them did not get the vaccine. So we're talking, like, 40,000
people and I got the vaccine, only one person of all that
8,000 people died of covid, whether they got vaccine or not.
And we're told that safe and efficacious against preventing
deaths, room covid. But I think it's because those
trials cherry-picked the participants and it said there,
we're only picking participants who are healthy.
And in a very low risk category for Kota.
It's in Savory lowers, but we had told the parameters, then
the first group, they rolled it out to were high risk people not
in those trials. Mmm, but they use safety and
efficacy. Things of a cherry pick trial.
To say there is no cause and effect relationship between you
know, there's no side effects, which is a cause and effect
because they were or nothing. So serious.
And I would just say that that has been rampant in this
changing science and I'm not taking a position on the
science. My big position is It changes
all the time and that's where the sparse document.
But I wanted to tell you about comes in just one sentence being
that they actually did a study Johns Hopkins in 2017.
That people have cited as being like, so prescience about like
the covid thing. It's just so many of the of the
scenario elements were true in covid.
But if you look at what that sparse document was, It was a,
it was a propaganda exercise to see what happens in the real
world. When you have to keep the
propaganda machine effective under certain circumstances.
One of which I has like 20 different things, one of which
is where the science is unclear, or ever-changing, or
contradictory, or not. Applicable, or unavailable.
How do you handle that from a propaganda?
So I feel like these are were actually elements that they
wanted to observe in real life to practice propaganda,
regardless of what you think of covid.
They're definitely using propaganda and observing how
it's working. And and one of the ways is by
using science that's moving around or not.
Strictly applicable, cherry-picking is one of those
ways. Yeah, and even when something is
true, like look there is gun violence and regular violence
and there is Terrorism and I will admit the climate does
change. What they do is they take a real
example and then give you the ultimate non-sequitur X exists.
Therefore we have the right to usher in the solution.
We know what we know what the causes and we know how much
funding we need and you can top that it funding it and we're
going to usher in the solution and anyone Hops out, of course,
straight to jail. Well, that's a lot of
assumptions. But all they have to do once
they get you in that way of thinking, is just another
problem. Monopolies problem, terrorism
problem, gun violence problem, you know, but people spreading
misinformation problem and your head already goes to.
Well, what's the state going to do about it, which is obvious
propaganda because you only think that way about one
organization, like, if you always thought, you know, your
dad has to come in and do and say Of the day or the Catholic
church is the only group that can come and save the day.
And no one can opt out of funding the Catholic Church.
Well, you didn't come to that rationally.
You just have an unreasonable double standard there.
My final one is appeal to this, another one.
I'm gonna need help naming appeal to existence.
They will just say something or a group exists as though they're
making any sort of, you know, importance statement many have
been Asking, okay, whatever comes after many have been
asking a lot of people ask, a lot of things.
What they're trying to do is make it seem like this isn't me
just selecting something to report about because I want to
tell you there's a lot of people asking, you know, experts have
said well, hold on, whatever you're about to say, experts
have said a lot of things, Aunt will like, let's just take the
article that I read. Do that Paul Krugman.
He didn't write it but he was pimping at hard on Twitter.
He had said, Well, as many experts today say what we need
government regulation. Well, many experts say we don't
know why I could, I could name them.
You would mention the myth of natural monopoly, which is the
name of Tom De Lorenzo's refutation of this nonsensical
Theory. No.
Well. Yeah.
Tom dilorenzo wrote the real
Lincoln and I read that lism how capitalism saved America and His
short essay is Called the myth of natural monopoly that will be
in the show notes. Both in the description of this
video. I will get that.
So I got along along with that, that study, that you would
mention both of those will will be there.
But, yeah, they'll say, many people have been wondering X or
a lot of people have been having this sort of reaction to what
was said tonight. Well, there's a lot of people
across the Spectrum on a lot of things.
Democrats Republicans syndicalist, fascists and
everything. So the fact that they're saying
a demographic exists and is asking this question.
A lot of Democrats effects. Ask a lot of questions.
You're obviously just trying to put the veil of popularity over
whatever you're wanting us to talk about doesn't fool me
Dozen, full Monica Perez. Is there anything else that you
have before? We there's two, there's two,
there's two people. I want to ask you about.
You have any other methods that come to mind?
I, I don't think so. But I had one reaction to your
appeal to existence. Please.
I absolutely love the name. I think you should keep that and
it reminded me of when I guess Isis, first emerged.
I don't know. If you remember.
This was a really long time ago and they said they are.
We need to go in, like, on the border between Syria and Iraq or
something like that. Because Isis has trapped these
mountain people that you City. I think they were called sure
that the city there was this. There was this little tiny
mountain people group, I think. And they're like, we have to get
in there and save them. It was really kind of crazy and
I did a little research on this tiny little group on the border
between Iraq and Syria. Think it was Tiny.
I said this on the air and somebody immediately called me
and said, those people, I'm you City, and those people are
really suffering and I Lies in retrospect, that was definitely
a troll because I was on a big radio station.
They have like, Tamp that stuff down like somebody always
listens that radio station and they were this religious group.
So the Christians or whatever, like our like, the conservatives
who want have to justify the war's over there.
They literally worship an angel called shite, on that.
We call Satan, but they just don't think he's bad. so I think
Lucifer didn't really like fall that he's, you know, and okay,
you know, whatever and I'm like, okay, I don't really know
anything about these guys, but nobody's like explaining their
whole shite on thing and if we're going to go like,
sacrifice American lives to save these embattled people, should
we know a little bit more about this whole shite on worship, you
know, but they existed it. Therefore it Justified us
sending an in an unlimited amount of people for an
unlimited amount of time to some other countries where everybody
between us and these City might view it as an invasion.
I don't know, they exist and therefore.
Well, the the very first video I played here of Bona.
All about that was in response to, you know, Assad's
atrocities. They got they got a
seven-year-old for foreign policy.
They got like a swellview. They got like a 12 year old
Greta, for climate, change for gun control.
They have 13 year old David hog. However, it is.
I mean, this is just so unbelievable.
I just want to ask you about two people.
What is the most important thing you learned from the work of
Edward Bernays? I would say.
That one of his recommendations tenets, was that you had to come
quote. I believe this is a quote
contaminate the news at its source.
So you probably can't buy off. This was very old.
This writing. Is you probably can't buy off
the New York Times. Like they have to believe those
guys really are True Believers in themselves.
They need to be unbiased. They think they're unbiased.
So you need to actually create a news event that makes your point
that they cannot that they can't resist.
But put on those those limited pages that Seinfeld, you know,
they had they will it will pass any test.
Of curation just on its face as a new story.
But if it would never actually have happened, organically, you
created it and then it came across as news, that's
propaganda, probably of deed and word and then he says but like
with magazines it's a lot easier because if you ever women's
magazine and you're a bank, all you have to do is go to the
editor with a story that teaches women, how to balance your
checkbook and then like, I get it, you know, Know your bank,
you know how to do that. You're giving me the story.
I'll take it. But you couldn't actually do it
like that with your shyness. But both of those are
contaminating news at its source.
And I think of people understood that that's been the strategy
for. I mean, possibly a hundred years
then they would, they wouldn't believe that stuff so much
anymore. Great points.
There was another one you and I have spoken about Jacques ellul.
What is the most important thing you learned?
From or contribution of Jacques ellul.
There are two. There's a lot but I will give
you just the one answer to your question, but before that.
We had talked about. What are popular propaganda
techniques that are used to control the masses.
And that's what we brought in, in Reading, because I'm a little
bit obscure by a low because it's in his critique of
Technology, but he has a section on propaganda just as like a
last after fact that he points out that the masses.
Themselves had to be created. First, you have to create those
masses to create. I think what he called, like a
universal psychism, which is a funny word.
I've only heard it once times before, but like, if you have to
address each person's psyche, individually, it'll never work.
But if you can create a masses, then you can and they have one
universal psyche, psyche is MM then you can just address that
with prop am. So first before Work.
First, you have to create those masses and then he says that you
need to replace the critical faculty with Collective passion.
Mmm, that is so true. And that's, that's where it all
comes down, and everything, really flows from that and you
have them in the palm of my hand.
Yeah, it's funny that people always telling us to be
objective and look at the science or the most emotional
irrational, people who get worked up about absolute.
Well sense. That's a concept that he
includes in. This is that you have to create
a sacred and the profane, the sacred is stuff that cannot be
questioned. And the profane is something
that cannot be discussed. So your anti-science like
science is sacred, or you're a racist.
Like, you can't talk about states rights, because you're a
racist. It's Vanity is, I can't speak
it. And so like those are a lot of
subcategories there that get that that are meant to transform
your critical faculty into emotion.
And and it seems to me that it really has very little to do
with intelligence like IQ. I actually feel like it's
inversely correlated with The Prestige of your education.
So I think I'm an exception. I've a pretty bitchin
credentials to credentials, but that's how I know.
A lot of people with those same credentials that you try to
explain stuff to them and they don't like it.
I think because it's it's like when you try to tell somebody
who's gotten the vaccine that there are risks, that were not
disclosed. What if you tell somebody who's
fully invested in the system? Say works at a bank that that
engages in Reveals practices with regard to other countries
and their populations. If somebody's in this, for 20
years. Dedicated their whole lives,
probably got ran through a couple of divorces or whatever
has big pile of cash. They are absolutely.
Not going to want to hear that. The system itself is is built on
some lies, like the word capitalism.
That is so easily to vaster eyes, it because Capital itself
has been so Badly bastardize, Capital to me Capital was a in
that it was a store of value. It was a way to too.
Stewart, Surplus labor to invest in things that could be measured
in the same way like objective, equal, quantifiable, whatever.
But once you take that away and make the fiat currency and all
that capitalism itself, Capital itself is vascularized.
So these words that are in the basis of people's beliefs are
what keep them entranced while they're working to death, but
then they really are. I'm open to questioning those
assumption. So I feel like the propaganda
gets them because they're doing, especially when they're young,
guess them to go down a path and eventually they reach the point
of no return. And and part of what a little
says, is that part of propaganda that you must get it to the
point where it is. So so pervasive, so totally
saturating that that it's like water and a fish tank, like, you
just the fish. Do not know, it's there, you
cannot What's there? And once you don't know, it's
there you really can't live without it.
And that is probably a better example, of word, proximity that
I should have used. If you're not able to define a
term. Well, you're just going to get
taken to the Woodshed more or less.
Because if you say capitalism, that's where I Define it as
tall, buildings, employers, Banks, and money.
We'll all of those could exist under syndicalism fascism
communism. But what is it unique about
capitals? Capitalism is who gosh.
I want to say Rockefeller, but that did.
That's a Or even when socialist will say it's when the workers
own the means of production. Are you implying entrepreneurs?
Don't work. Let me tell you, they do some of
the most, the longest unpaid amount of work that you'll ever
come across or it's when the people control the means of
production. What under capitalism do the
animals, do the fish, do the clouds.
It's always the people, controlling the means of
production. So unless you're able to, you
know, properly Define it as a social system, based on the
explicit. Recognition of private property
and voluntary contracts. Well, then you're just going to
get finished. You were on molyneux's show and
molyneux said one time that. Yeah, all the word world's
problems could be solved in 15 minutes.
If people would just admit they're wrong and Define their
terms and then he just moved on and I go, that ass is so big.
It took me so long to appreciate that.
So many people talk on different levels.
I would go before that even with capital.
I wouldn't even, I wouldn't you don't even think you have to go
that far. I think capital.
And capitalism. I think that the maybe this was
a half a concept. I don't know, but that cost
accounting is going to sound Grand.
But cost accounting is the source of all wealth.
That that until you can understand the actual, exact
relative value of your inputs. You would not know how to
allocate resources. And without really, knowing the
comparative value of how to allocate resources.
You wouldn't know how to invest the product of your Surplus.
And I would say that ability to have an objective measure that
could be applied to all sorts of of surplus.
And then how to re-employ that that, in my opinion is, is the
essence of capitalism. And that is what capital is and
everything else will come out of that.
But once you introduce the state, that's why I'm an
anarcho-capitalist, although that the capitalism.
Asteroids the term, but that's why once you introduce the state
you interfere with that Perfection.
Exactly. And that's, that's another
important reason for definitions.
Is people like Sheldon Richmond. My colleague at the libertarian
Institute. He hates the c word.
He'll say, you know, my goal is to abolish capitalism and you
know, you ask him and you ask him his definition and he says,
well, a large number of property owners working with the state to
aggress against The populace and it's like, okay.
So what if and then you could just give an example.
I offer Monica Perez a job to work at my house.
Do you or any other committee? Any group have the right to stop
that from happening? If I profit off of our
Arrangement and he says no and then you go.
Okay. Well, we just stopped a
potential Civil War. So we're fine.
Yeah. Like, you could make that as a
job requirement. I don't have to take the job.
You know, sometimes you really have to push them in order to
see in order, to see if they're really on your side.
And once they are once, you're on that same page, well, then
you don't have to have this eternal fight, the Agra risks
Versa and caps verse the verse, the objectivist.
There's so much time that can be saved if we just sort of
recognize this. And we'll say, okay.
Well, well what happens when we talk to people in different
languages who don't have these words.
Well so long as we understand the concepts were not going to
get into into any trouble. How did you become an aunt Cat
by the way? Oh, I had a just an epiphany
that our experiments. I mean, I remember literally
like, vacuuming the rug and that's 15 years ago, whatever it
was. And I was just like, oh my gosh,
like I think George Bush was president W and he signed the
curly light bulb Bill. Like I couldn't have light bulbs
anymore. Like they said, it wasn't going
to happen for a while. But I knew and I was like, wow,
okay, so the American experiment is over.
I just, this is clearly any, any no matter where you start.
If you put a seat of power, it will be exploited.
And there's nothing you can do. And I got kind of depressed
about it and I stumbled Upon A Lew Rockwell interview.
With Hans Hermann, Hapa about democracy.
The God That Failed. And I was like, I couldn't
believe it. I thought.
So I was totally depressed because self-limiting.
Government is the utopian fantasy, not Liberty, but that.
So I was, you know, that was my thing.
And then I, and then I realized when he said, like Society was
self ordering, it was so obvious because I was a waitress for a
long time and you really don't get paid.
So you get like a dollar, two dollars, an hour.
And then, once they started taxing, that your paycheck is
literally zero, there's no requirement for anyone legal, or
even at the restaurant to ever give you a tip ever.
There's nothing you can do about it.
If they don't and in all my years, I was away.
She's like, seven or eight years.
Sometimes six nights a week. I don't maybe maybe try, I can't
remember twice ever anyone not paying because they're with
people and they want to come back and if they did then we
would probably have a different system in place.
We would have not had a tipping system, probably but it totally
worked perfectly. And that was anarcho-capitalism
because they wanted, they knew that the social element there.
It was a restaurant, they enjoyed because of the people
there and the people they were with and they wanted respect.
I respect that. You some of them came from a
moral position. I would never have somebody work
for me and not pay. I never ever had that problem
and I knew, right then and there Society is self watering and
people who will build the roads. Well, if somebody's building an
apartment building in somebody else's building a mall.
I have a feeling you're going to get a road.
I don't know. So you're able to build
something as complex as Apartments which like would have
blown the minds of all cavemen and then they're like, all
right. How do we have that flat tire?
Wait? It's not a government.
Did no one write down. How do you use this?
What I say, man? Oh, forget it.
What we're done. We're done, man, did not come
out of the trees because government lured him down, you
know, first he came down out of the trees that he builds up and
of course the caveman build a road to the lake.
I mean, it's just with his feet but it just emerged organically
well, but there's that great meme of there's just like a path
in the woods and they go huh, the deers had a government or
the deer. Gotta go.
Look, look up path exists. Therefore some had the right to
rule others and just one final one.
What are some of your favorite books?
And I asked people pick one that you'd recommend to everyone and
then just lift your other favorites.
Pick one that I would recommend to everyone.
Oh my gosh, we know because if we give them too many that it's
the, yeah. I know, I know.
Pink, I wish I could look behind that curtain, but the curtain
will fall down. If I open it up.
I would love to. Oh, now the what I want to
recommend is too hot to handle, so I can't, I can't recognize.
It's too much of a red pill. You got to get them and
gradually, it's a would-be Gods Force.
I'll tell you if you want to put it in the show notes.
You can put it in the show notes.
So what? Oh bastiat.
It's the law. Yeah, I would give people lost a
lot because I described read it. Once I discovered it.
I called my aunt because I knew it, my father's dead.
But my aunt wasn't. And I knew that my dad would
love that. She would have loved it, and I
called her and I said, Aunt Margaret.
I have to tell you that, just read this book, the law by Bosh
had so great. And she was funny because she
when she was first married lived in the projects and it was like,
one of eight, kids, whatever became an English teacher.
She has a perfect accent and she was all sources.
Monica my idea go. My father gave each and every
one of his children, a copy of Basia.
It's the law really is a her 12th birthday.
And I was like I think I absorbed that it's just
culturally in the house. But I mean, it resonated with me
because it had such an influence on her at my father that they
never told me to read it. But that was how I was raised
according to the principles there.
And and I guess I know this is going to sound crazy.
I literally have a thousand books, Virus.
Maybe it would be a good one right now, but I think if I had
to be on a desert island and only have one book with me, I
think it would be War and Peace. War and Peace, still haven't.
That's been a dust collector on my shelf along with tragedy and
hope I gotta crack it. One of these days you have to
read the first 200 Pages twice, but you know, I like the ending
X, the whole thing was good, but I just feel like, you know, it's
a funny question because I just I re constantly in the way, I'm
not like a big reader so I can read a book a day.
But what happens with books for me is a read a book and even if
it's like transformational like the most profound book I've ever
read ever. There's only so much you can
change or absorb in yourself and your minds in your life.
So the yoga sutras was like that.
I rather it's just like oh my god.
Wow, and then you have to let most of it go.
But like something. Mains and then every other book
has kind of that kind of effect. So for me, I feel like you have
to read them. All everybody get appeals to
you. And I buy them all and I'm going
to be, I call myself the librarian of the tunnels.
So when, when, if I never get a vaccination again, and they make
me live outside and the outlands or in the tunnels, like every
dystopian sci-fi. I literally have a thousand
books and I'm going to bring them and I only buy the books.
I am afraid they're going to they're going to burn.
Yes, I can't tell you the book and what I recommend because
that they're going to burn it. That's good.
I will put it in the description
on Odyssey. Only this way, people have to go
to Alternative media. To check it out.
Check it out on Odyssey. It'll be in that description.
There is a great Twilight the tech.
Oh, yeah, that's what I was talking about.
Technological Society by Jackal. Oh, I have to work on page 36.
Yet one of the worst Twilight zones.
I ever saw. This guy is dying to read.
He just wants to read his books and everyone's bullying him.
And his wife is Ruth and his boss.
And his boss says, you know what, stop reading your on the
clock. So he goes in to the safe and
he's reading and there's like an avalanche, and it kills
everyone, and then he, he lines up his books.
He goes this. I'm going to read in mark, this
and April, everyone's dead on the planet Earth, and now he has
time to read and he sits down and his Glasses break and now he
can't see anything in that it ends and I go that was the worst
first because I pictured myself, I go.
Oh my God. What if I just had like a month
or I could just read that would be so cool.
That was the most heartbreaking scene of anything I've ever seen
ever, me, too. And there's a favorite Twilight
Zone for people, where it's the guy who stands up for himself in
the end and it's at the end of a long table to real famous actor.
I don't know if it was like, it wasn't my favorite martian, but
it was somebody like that. And it's just like, everyone's
favorite Twilight Zone. And whenever anyone describes
it, like, they're like, oh, you know, that, that Twilight's are
the Twilight Zone for like, Libertarians, like the one
wearing braces classes. I could traumatize me my entire
life, and I've literally to this day have like 15 pairs of
glasses. And I wonder if that's why I
like I just cannot, there's always an extra pair of glasses
here. See right here.
There's always an extra pair of glasses.
I swear traumatizing it. Is the right word because you go
finally he wins. He's left alone.
He can now, educate himself, his glasses.
Breaking. It was the worst.
So I'm glad I'm glad you've seen that.
So I so that it could be have to be these the sages of The Poets
of the, or the bards of the titles.
We'd have to remember them. Yikes.
Oh my gosh. That that sounds exhausting.
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Miss Perez. Thank you so much for your time.
Thank you.