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Hello friends and welcome to 
another episode of the Liberty 

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weekly podcast. 
This one is episode 1, 32 in the

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show notes may be found at 
Liberty weekly. 

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Dotnet forward slash 132 and I'm
joined today by an old friend of

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the show. 
It's getting the band back 

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together. 
Mr. Keith Knight. 

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How are you doing, buddy? 
I'm doing excellent. 

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Patrick. 
Right? 

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To have you back brother? 
Yeah. 

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It's so good to see you man. 
And just you know, I guess it 

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was with the Ruth Bader Ginsburg
episode. 

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I jump back in the saddle 
because how could I sit on the 

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sidelines during that? 
I mean sub all times. 

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Yes, the the great legal mind. 
I was glad to see you commenting

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more than anyone else. 
Well, I appreciate that. 

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And you've been busy, man. 
You haven't been sitting idle. 

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What, why don't you tell the 
audience, just a little bit of 

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what you been up to. 
I saw your on the, the 

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libertarian Institute now, 
right? 

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I am, yeah, so I will pretty 
much make sure to post that 

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stuff there. 
I have been just because YouTube

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is doing some censoring. 
I've been posting a lot of 

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Library and bitch shoot 
exclusive. 

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So please subscribe to my 
library Channel. 

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I will send a Patrick the link 
to have that in the show notes, 

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but I was not able to think of 
what I've been up to so I 

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actually had to pull up my 
channel here. 

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I had I've had a number of 
people on recently I'd say the 

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best one recently was Michael 
humor. 

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I've been trying to have a 
conversation with him for two 

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years finally sealed the deal on
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I thought we had a very 
productive discussion. 

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Attempted to refute 
anarcho-communism contradiction 

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in terms with Patrick Smith 
recently. 

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So I've been trying to get out a
video every three days or so. 

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Well, I've been seeing that. 
I mean, you've had interviews 

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with some big people, every 
three days. 

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That's a pretty good. 
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what was keeping me back from 
interviewing big names aside 

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from the scheduling was just 
being nervous, you know, but but

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you're like you're an old hat 
now, aren't you? 

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I mean, you just got so much 
experience. 

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I At an interview once and I'm 
not going to tell people what it

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is. 
They need to watch all my 

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interviews to find out and 
determine it. 

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But it was so bad that and is so
embarrassing. 

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So cringy that I go. 
I could never be worse than 

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that. 
So, I might as well give it a 

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shot or, you know, I really just
think of God. 

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I wish I was. 
You know, if I was alive in the 

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time of hazlitt and mises and 
rothbard and Frederic bastiat, 

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I'd love to get a chance to 
speak with them. 

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Let alone record an entire. 
Your communication session. 

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So I mean, even though I do very
poor every now and then it's 

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still worth it to have access to
some of the great minds ever. 

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Even if you do a terrible job. 
Hey, I still got to communicate 

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with the best of the best. 
So it it's an easy pay off. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Well, you know how much I think 
of you man, you're just out 

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there kicking ass and taking 
names and it's really cool to 

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watch from the sidelines. 
So but it's good to be back one 

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of the comments you made. 
Been doing a lot of depositions 

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lately at work because you know,
my cases are going. 

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But I had one deposition where I
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hours the day before and we got 
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started being deposed and 
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Just went out the window. 
I believe it was. 

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And at that point in time, I was
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Wow, that was a horrible 
experience, but it can't get any

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worse than that. 
So so yeah, it's kind of the The

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same. 
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why I came back as because 
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That how could I not be? 
You know talking about have you 

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done? 
Have you done any shows lately 

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just talking about current 
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I know in this in the show since
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wanted to tackle voting, but I 
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little bit and get your take 
about what's going on, you know,

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and there's so many things to 
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So The current events are just 
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right? 
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recorded get it up and bit, you 
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stuff. 
It's, you know, it was the Trump

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didn't condemn, the proud boys. 
Then it was the milania tapes. 

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Then it was Trump has covid 
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It's just now, of course in the 
grand scheme of the state's mass

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murder, Mass theft and mass 
kidnapping all over the planet. 

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Of course. 
It's nothing. 

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But it is interesting to see. 
How the media just goes from 0 

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to 60 and totally flips on the 
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It was crazy. 
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had talked about doing a debate 
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know, everyone's doing that. 
We're just going to just comment

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on it, maybe, but it was, it was
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He was a mainstream media guy, 
who was at NBC, who did this 

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thing, where they're like, it's 
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An orange is an orange, and 
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It's an orange. 
Yeah, CNN said this is an apple.

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you it's a banana but it's an 
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Well, I felt like after the 
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Heads got on I saw what I saw 
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I heard with my own ears, but it
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that same analogy. 
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sitting on the counter and they 
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talking, you know, orange this 
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orwellian. 
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term is kind of cliche. 
Overused, but holy crap. 

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Well, yeah, I mean, my favorite 
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what we need is, we need testing
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need. 
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goes. 
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the way, you missed number two, 
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sentence. 
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that Nike. 
I gotta say, like, when When 

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people are watching that, do you
know you're watching something 

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that involves? 
No, intellectual depth. 

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I mean, like the average person.
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debate and then watch that, I 
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those two? 
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Epstein, and Michael humor had a
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Corey DeAngelis debate. 
Someone on school choice to 

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watch that. 
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And then see this presidential 
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I mean aren't, isn't the ideal 
that these are the best of the 

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best, we all get together for 
years and then put our best 

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person forward and then they 
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It's like the weakest of the 
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Democratic societies. 
End up pushing people to the top

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because that's who they have to 
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What do you going to talk about 
rent control? 

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And, you know, Selective Service
being code for slavery, right? 

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Well in it had the effect of I 
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people in my personal life, just
kind of shaking their heads 

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collectively, and I know Joe, 
Jorgenson's website crashed a 

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few times the next day. 
Did you hear about that? 

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No, I saw that. 
There was a post of, you know, 

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number of people who search the 
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this, until the debate night, 
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drastically. 
That that doesn't surprise me. 

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I certainly hope people come 
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because I felt Like that was I 
really tried to be productive in

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our conversation. 
I thought you did a fine job, 

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but gosh, when well when they 
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the two-party duopoly and these 
are the people that created the 

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mess. 
I don't feel like that gets to 

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the heart of the issue, which is
what I tried to avoid in my 

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interview because I feel like 
well then why don't they just go

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to the green party and what's 
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We just need to get more 
involved and give them more 

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power to I represent us. 
So I hope that when people find 

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her, they come across some of 
her good works. 

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the Joy about doing, what we do 
is that you can just call them 

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up and things, are libertarian, 
personalities are relatively 

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accessible, so you can call 
someone up. 

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You have questions and you can 
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That's really cool. 
So what do you think is going to

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happen? 
I mean things change every 

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single day was was Trump getting
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Do you? 
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So I think October, surprise 
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something until October. 
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that they wanted was the milania
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out in October. 
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an hour and a half, because it 
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Trump got covid which made me 
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I wonder if he really has it or 
if he just wants to silence. 

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Oh, and then before even the 
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I just lost it before the pro, 

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the Trump taxes, that was huge. 
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since 2016. 
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know, income taxes versus how 
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property taxes, but just to see 
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everything else. 
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Trump. 
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benefit, for Trump. 
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Yeah, this thing I told, You 
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okay if people get it, well, I 
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It's going to be the, it's going
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something that the statistics 
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more than 99 percent survival 
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So people can't process not the 
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old man, Trump got it, he's 
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Okay. 
Well, maybe we shouldn't have 

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shut down the economy. 
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Yeah, and I It's crazy. 
I I don't I haven't even talked 

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about it on the show, and I 
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A lot of people have said, a lot
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just I can't believe every day. 
I can't believe how long it's 

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been and I can't believe how 
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I mean people are going nuts. 
There's you can't get a 

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therapist in my area, you know. 
I had a therapist tell me it was

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like, you know, November of 
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She goes Keith. 
I have people coming and crying 

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on my couch about the election, 
I go. 

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Really, but dude that goes to 
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control. 
And this Trump derangement 

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syndrome really can get you. 
So now that it's been four years

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and it hasn't been the terrible 
thing that, you know, they were 

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warning us about turns out 
Trump's more or less. 

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As evil as any other president. 
So they really focus on kids in 

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cages. 
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Republic that started in the 
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We know this because the 
published picture was in 2014 

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and the article was published. 
So, it's not even like I have a 

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feeling, it was happening. 
It was already occurring. 

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So then they really have to harp
on BLM. 

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Yeah, turns out. 
According to Roland, fryer 

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black, professor at Harvard 
blacks are not shot out of 

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proportion to the amount of 
crime that they commit, just 

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like men. 
Our killed more by the police. 

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They commit, most of the crime, 
you get, you know, examples like

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Kelly Thomas and Duncan lamp who
get no air time, but you know, 

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when it fits the narrative, they
will have a black suspect get or

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a black victim, get a lot of 
attention which of course they 

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deserve. 
But it should be distributed 

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equally, I think when you see 
that nothing that they said came

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to fruition. 
It's amazing that they Able to 

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keep up the hysteria. 
So it was, you know, trans and 

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blacks, and women are all going 
to, you know, go to hell within 

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the next four years, then he 
called their Bluff and then one.

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So it's like, all right. 
Let's see what the next four 

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years have and then it was 
nothing. 

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I mean, I don't that Cavanaugh 
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vote on a abortion issue. 
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hysteria is just so, is so 
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shenanigans because we you know,
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quickly became very apparent to 
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planned demic or something like 
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capitalize off any situation. 
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the ultimate reason that we need
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So, we have total competition. 
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industry. 
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argument just as much as you. 
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the side of increasing Reliance 
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whether you know, it is a 
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advantage of it. 
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governors and all of the 
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possible. 
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bizarre, war game exercise. 
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Foundation had talking about a 
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it. 
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out whether it's a real 
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Killing 100 percent of people or
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know, 0.1%. 
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believe coronavirus is real. 
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it is real. 
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certain time or at the very 
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definitive proof on this. 
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of good work when this was 
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happening in Wuhan at the time. 
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knowledge in a certain way. 
I'll put a link in the show 

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notes page to that. 
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was just it's been taking 
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bat colony to the wet Market is 
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the virus was released was 
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Accidental. 
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I know that accidents can happen
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accountability and coercive 
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maybe it was intentional. 
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above the state. 
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Unit 731. 
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go Twos for the the elites. 
I have no clue. 

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But yeah, certainly the morons 
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while I do. 
I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson of that,

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this could never happen and 
Matt, Dillahunty the weakest 

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Skeptics on the planet. 
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tapes a little bit earlier and I
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It. 
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That was kind of might be 
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Corona, and that's the funny 
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So let me read off to you one of
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It's so this is a private 
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friend from July of 2018. 
That's why I thought it was an 

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October surprise, because if it 
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September 29th, it would Been 
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for a year and a half much like 
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conversation with bush about 
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one. 
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it with with Trump's taxes, but 
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lost him. 
Any votes. 

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Give me a second or I just want 
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are a number of quotes your she 
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Was talking about oh, it's such,
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Having to decorate the White 
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people are mentioning, you know,
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give who gives an F, you know, 
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Obama was President. 
So the clip is kids in cages who

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gives an f and it looks really 
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is expressing her hatred for the
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Not that she likes. 
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I think she came from a poor 
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But when I searched milania 
tapes, I can't find any quotes. 

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That's how that's how polluted 
Twitter as with Trump. 

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Haven't covid. 
So whatever. 

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Yeah, people will find it. 
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Well, I just didn't know what it
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the Scandal was. 
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to election day, and I don't 
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Chon, what do you think about 
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I mean, are we are we going into
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That might get violent? 
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Well, there's been violence for 
the last three months based on a

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BLM, false narrative. 
So yeah, I'm sure that an actual

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vote that exists willed would 
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people to resist the outcome of 
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Wouldn't wouldn't surprise me. 
At all as far as male and goes. 

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My whole thing is, if you're at 
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drastically increases the 
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opposed to when it's mailed. 
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that gives rise to hundreds of 
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So the the number of, you know, 
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strikes me as you know, it. 
They could be fraudulent. 

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They could be destroyed a lot, 
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Omar thing that came out, 
certainly was damning in her 

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defense. 
She got 78 percent of the vote 

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in Minnesota, but that does not 
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For example, this is a pattern 
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according to US news.com., Al 
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seat through voter fraud. 
This was back in the year 2010 

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that they were talking about 
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MIT did a study voting by mail 
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reliability of male based voting
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The executive summary says more 
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Sorry, 3.9 million ballots, can 
go missing and MIT. 

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Study says, 3.9 million absentee
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We're never mailed to the voter.
So look, it increases the number

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of variables. 
It's much less likely. 

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You're going to get an accurate 
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anyways, but I think this is 
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mechanism you have, for its 
legitimate because we vote. 

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And then it's like totally not 
counted accurately. 

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Right? 
It's more sad than anything 

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else. 
But yeah, yeah, it is in. 

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I was thinking in preparation 
for this show to kind of talk 

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about the religion of voting, 
how it's kind of a religious 

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ceremony. 
E. 

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In the past, so, it seems 
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in time. 
We're really having a lot of 

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Doubt surrounding the legitimacy
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My thought is, are we entering 
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of everything with technology. 
It sheds doubt on the process. 

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How we're getting a reliable? 
Legitimate election, went in the

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past. 
Maybe we never had legitimate 

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elections, that were accurate in
untampered and now we just know 

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about it because technology is 
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wondered that like when the 
votes were counted, what if the 

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news just reported the opposite 
of what happened? 

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I mean, how it's not like people
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and do the voting. 
It's like you're working 10-hour

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days in the 1800s. 
I mean, what is the, what are 

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the checks and balances? 
So it does once you realize how 

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little Accuracy, there can be in
finding the truth regarding, you

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know, something like boating. 
It just opens your mind up to. 

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Oh my God, this could be really 
bad. 

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Yeah. 
Well in, if democracy only, I 

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say democracy Loosely the 
Democratic process, the idea of 

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people voting, if it makes you 
think about how unstable of the 

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system, it is how stable 
unstable the system of 

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government it is. 
If all we have to do is shed 

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doubt on its legitimacy and 
accuracy the Thing blows up. 

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I mean, what is going to happen 
if the election happens? 

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And you just get two sides, who 
think that their candidate won 

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or is condemning the results of 
the election. 

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I'm thinking just cold total 
chaos and panic. 

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We've seen this play out in Iraq
and Afghanistan, as they're 

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trying to establish new 
governments and people are 

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getting attacked on the way to 
the polls. 

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How are people like the, you 
know, the pashtun. 

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For example, I don't know if 
they ever actually. 

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We participated in the 
elections, but how are they 

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supposed to have legitimacy in 
it? 

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I don't understand. 
Yeah, I mean, I think it's going

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to go to a Supreme Court 
decision just because everything

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can be contested and contested 
and contested until it hits the 

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Supreme Court and then they make
the final decision. 

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But even then what if the masses
don't accept it and, you know, 

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by that I pretty much only mean 
the the left is, I can't even 

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see the right having even if 
they you know thought Trump was 

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justly elected. 
Up to see them, Stand Down to 

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the state with regard to the 
Brianna Taylor thing. 

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I think the conservative right 
is just under such a hypnotic 

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trance about the justification 
for when the state is acting out

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of it's morally, Justified role.
I don't see them resisting at 

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all. 
Yeah, that's that's a very makes

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me think a little bit. 
I, I don't know at the same 

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time. 
I do think that, well, it all 

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depends on whether or not the 
right thinks that it's 

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legitimate. 
And I think that if they think 

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it's illegitimate and Biden won 
by an underhanded, you know, 

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with all this voter fraud or 
whatever. 

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I don't think. 
So. 

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I don't think they would just go
into the night, maybe that I 

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don't think. 
Does that go against what you're

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saying? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, but I mean it's hard to 
predict people's behavior. 

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Right? 
When the state has them under 

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mind control. 
Yeah, I mean literally riots 

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over George Floyd. 
No one knows who Kelly Thomas 

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is. 
I mean, no one knows who Tony, 

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tempeh is the guy who was killed
under similar circumstances. 

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The Kelly Thomas murder was also
on tape and it was way worse. 

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Yeah, and he's crying out for 
his mother and the cops went to 

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trial and got off. 
Yeah. 

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So this is this is way Worse 
than anything that might 

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potentially occur with George 
Floyd and then Duncan limp and 

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Brianna Taylor. 
So when you literally see that 

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the media exist to issue 
opinions to the masses that the 

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Prussian education system has 
designed them not to see 

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through. 
It's like, I don't know what's 

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going to happen. 
It's really difficult while I'm 

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with Kelly Thomas. 
Have you ever seen that 

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00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:08,100
courtroom picture? 
This is a wonderful exhibit. 

451
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,600
Used by the his attorneys that 
were Resenting him that poster 

452
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:19,500
board that had in red. 
Please stop like 37 times 

453
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,100
counting. 
The number of times. 

454
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:27,100
He said these things like I'm 
sorry 40 times its and what was 

455
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:30,700
the other? 
The one, where the man was shot 

456
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:33,300
in the hotel. 
He was in the hotel. 

457
00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:36,000
Daniel Schaefer. 
That was actually by Mark 

458
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,800
Victor, who is a great attorney 
for freedom. 

459
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,900
In, in Arizona. 
He's done some excellent work. 

460
00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:46,500
With helping clients, I don't 
think he won the Steven 

461
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:51,700
Anderson, the Steven Anderson 
trial, but he was up against 

462
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:52,800
u.s. 
Border patrol. 

463
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:54,700
So that's a, that's pretty 
difficult. 

464
00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:57,600
But yeah, they just told 
Andersen get out of your car. 

465
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,600
We smell drugs even though they 
don't they did the same thing to

466
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,900
me when I went to California. 
That's I wasn't even going to a 

467
00:26:03,908 --> 00:26:05,400
different country. 
They had us. 

468
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,000
Get out had the dog, you know, 
go around, they did the same 

469
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,100
thing to my dad coming back from
Mexico. 

470
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:14,500
So yet this is just weird. 
Teen tyranny that the state 

471
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:18,100
engages in thankful for guys 
like Victor and you in the law 

472
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:19,500
field. 
Yeah. 

473
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:25,300
I've our firm has done some of 
that work actually but um, so 

474
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,400
Kind of lost my train of thought
here. 

475
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:32,000
But so as we're going into the 
election, I wanted to ask you, 

476
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,700
what you think about you 
mentioned the Prussian education

477
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:39,600
system, but that kind of plays 
into when Europe transitioned 

478
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,200
from monarchies kind of around 
World War one and into this 

479
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,300
democratic system. 
This modern era of And it kind 

480
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:54,100
of gets on and it touches on. 
Why is it necessary for the 

481
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:57,100
populist to view the government 
as themselves? 

482
00:26:57,100 --> 00:27:00,500
Because as we read in An Enemy 
of the State, I think it's 

483
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,600
really enlightening that it's 
very important for the modern 

484
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,500
State apparatus to have. 
It citizens think that the 

485
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:11,900
government is them. 
I love how anatomy of the 

486
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:14,400
state's one of those. 
That's it's just like a Biblical

487
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,500
verse. 
It was anatomy of the state 

488
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:21,600
1:31. 
It's just so great to reference.

489
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,800
So often that in it constantly 
fits. 

490
00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:29,100
I think it's important. 
That primarily people see the 

491
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:33,900
state as a unique institution in
so far, as it is an extension of

492
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:39,000
themselves and exist in nature 
almost too. 

493
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,300
Preserve order. 
Because when people are angry at

494
00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:46,000
it, they are quite literally 
angry at an idea. 

495
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,000
It's hard to hold the 
politicians accountable. 

496
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,000
It's hard to hold the police 
accountable. 

497
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,500
Well, they're just following 
orders. 

498
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:53,200
Well, the politicians were voted
in. 

499
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,200
Well, the voters only get to 
vote once every four years. 

500
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,700
So, you end up in this sort of 
limbo of no accountability at 

501
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:01,800
all. 
The reality is, the people who 

502
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,000
follow the orders, and the 
people who issued them are 

503
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,300
totally responsible 100% for 
their actions. 

504
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,100
See Seeing the state. 
As an extension of you 

505
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,300
drastically decreases. 
The likelihood. 

506
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:16,400
You will criticize. 
It's because much like you see 

507
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,500
your own child in, you know, the
best light ever. 

508
00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:21,800
Oh, they could do no wrong. 
My child would never lie. 

509
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,900
You sort of think that about 
your own government because any 

510
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:28,500
criticism of that government 
people will assume as a 

511
00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:31,400
criticism of them. 
You think we faked the moon 

512
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,200
landing? 
You're five years older than me.

513
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,900
What do you mean? 
We, you were not around in 69. 

514
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,800
Nor were you a part? 
NASA. 

515
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,400
And that's not an actual 
conversation. 

516
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,000
I had that was me actually 
watching two guys debate 

517
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,300
recently or they'll say you 
think you think we torture you 

518
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:53,100
think we lie about invading 
countries the fact that they see

519
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,000
them and the people who rule 
them as the same is so 

520
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,500
incredible that you need 
something like democracy pushed 

521
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:06,700
through the education system 
because I mean they would never 

522
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:09,000
do that with any of their able 
to say. 

523
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:11,700
Say, here are the people who 
participated and here are the 

524
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:14,400
non-participants. 
They're the ones who are guilty 

525
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,900
of whatever this is, but when 
it's the state, they take it 

526
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:20,500
personally, you think we were 
involved in a b and c we would 

527
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:23,500
never do that. 
You're not part of them. 

528
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:27,500
So yeah, the the ability to blur
line between the individual and 

529
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:31,600
the state I think is vital to 
people justifying State 

530
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,700
atrocities and totally ignoring 
them and having no incentive to 

531
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:37,200
call them out and recognize them
as illegitimate. 

532
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,000
Yeah, and it gives that 
illusion. 

533
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,800
General consent at that. 
I mean, rothbard touches on 

534
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,300
that. 
But but it's on its face. 

535
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:48,300
It's just a ridiculous idea. 
And there's the famous example, 

536
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:53,000
he uses that if we are the state
and the state is us than 7 

537
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,200
million Jews, didn't die in the 
Holocaust. 

538
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,700
They weren't murdered. 
They just committed suicide. 

539
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,600
Exactly. 
And right away, you're able to 

540
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,800
see but unfortunately, you have 
to talk about other countries 

541
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,500
and then the other country 
people know about and that 

542
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:11,100
example is Lie, like, you know, 
National Socialist, Germany or 

543
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,500
something like that. 
So it's unfortunate. 

544
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:16,700
We have limited examples, but 
when it talks start talking 

545
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:19,500
about King, Leopold people 
aren't exactly on the same page 

546
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:21,900
with you. 
But yeah, exactly. 

547
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:26,000
And the national socialist 
government was elected, whereas,

548
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,700
you know, the Allied Powers 
Churchill was appointed, Stalin,

549
00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:33,600
wasn't elected and FDR ran four 
times when he was only supposed 

550
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,700
to run to. 
Yeah. 

551
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,500
So I mean, it's not exactly. 
Once you start pointing that 

552
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:40,400
stuff out. 
People will recognize. 

553
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,600
Well, voting has nothing to do 
with the legitimacy. 

554
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,100
It's the actual actions that 
they undertake so that again, 

555
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:51,900
very important aspect. 
Well, and I have an article here

556
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:54,200
and I know that you have a lot 
of quotes to that we're going to

557
00:30:54,208 --> 00:30:57,900
touch on, but let me try and 
pull this up. 

558
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,700
Okay. 
So on the screen now, I you 

559
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:04,600
can't see it. 
Sorry Keith, but it's an article

560
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,700
on The mises Institute called 
why vote? 

561
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:11,800
And it's published by Mark. 
Brantley are he was the author 

562
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,100
and it kind of goes through and 
it smashes some of these common 

563
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:20,000
misconceptions that people have 
when it comes to voting and It 

564
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,500
just strikes me as how when you 
present the numbers like this 

565
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:27,300
like he does in this article. 
It really destroys any thought 

566
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:31,900
that your vote matters and so he
starts in my recent how to win 

567
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:33,800
an election. 
I made the point that quote, 

568
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,600
your vote doesn't matter given 
some of the responses to the 

569
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,100
statement. 
I would like to provide further 

570
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:40,600
explanation. 
Consider what it means to say 

571
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,800
your vote, doesn't matter, your 
vote does matter if it affects 

572
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,000
the outcome of the election. 
In question, how this could 

573
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,300
happen depends on the number of 
votes tallied? 

574
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:52,700
If there is an even number of 
Voters in a life in an election,

575
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:55,700
your vote only matters. 
If it creates a tie in your 

576
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:57,800
candidate, goes on, to win the 
election. 

577
00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:01,600
If, if you didn't vote, your 
candidate would have lost by one

578
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,900
vote in such a case, because of 
your vote, your candidates odds 

579
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:08,900
of winning increase from 50% to 
rough, or from 0% to. 

580
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,100
Roughly 50%. 
On the other hand, if there are 

581
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:15,600
an odd number of votes, voters, 
your vote matters, if it breaks 

582
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,000
the tie that would have occurred
without your vote. 

583
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,100
In such a case, your candidates 
odds of winning increase from 

584
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:24,700
about 50% to 100%. 
Now, here's the kicker. 

585
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:27,600
The chance of either one of 
these occurrences depends on the

586
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,000
number of Voters in the election
among other issues. 

587
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,800
Adding this all up the odds of 
your vote making a difference 

588
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,700
are approximately 1 over n, 
where n is the number of Voters 

589
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:40,300
in the election. 
Adding to this estimate, in an 

590
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:43,900
election, with 100 million 
voters, the chance of a single 

591
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:47,700
vote affecting, the outcome of 
the election would be about one 

592
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:52,700
millionth of one percent. 
And then he gets into the 

593
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:56,600
Electoral College and there's a 
bunch more statistics here. 

594
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,900
But any anything that jumps out 
to you Keith? 

595
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,400
Yeah, you know, I would love to 
rub this in the face of the 

596
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,100
Michael shermer's of the world 
and the Neil deGrasse Tyson's 

597
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:11,400
when they say be real, let's use
common sense here. 

598
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,500
Let's Do Science and then we 
actually have a scientific 

599
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:19,100
approach that the author gives 
the Journal of the American 

600
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:24,000
Medical Association confirms 
Donald Rel demur and Robert 

601
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,700
Torres. 
Re-examined. 

602
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:28,400
The traffic-related deaths 
during polling hours on election

603
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,600
days compared to the number of 
Deaths on the two Tuesday's 

604
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,200
before and after the election, 
in the last 30 days, they found 

605
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,600
that the election day average. 
What of 158 deaths to be 

606
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,600
eighteen percent higher than the
average death rate on the other 

607
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,000
days. 
You are more likely to die going

608
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,900
to the polls. 
And then you see the ilhan Omar 

609
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:53,800
videos of the ballot harvesting.
And it's like, oh gosh. 

610
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,800
Well, even if I nail it in and I
saved myself from going to the 

611
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,700
polls. 
Well, who knows? 

612
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:02,300
What's Happening Here? 
So yeah, painting that picture 

613
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:06,500
really brings it to reality so 
under like no other 

614
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:09,100
circumstance. 
Would this be legitimate to 

615
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:13,699
quote Jason Brennan in one of 
the greatest books that I've 

616
00:34:13,699 --> 00:34:16,900
read in Philosophy, by the way, 
we have an anarchist Professor 

617
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:19,000
published by Princeton 
University. 

618
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:21,699
This guy is terrific. 
He says the problem with 

619
00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:24,300
political decisions isn't that 
most of us don't get our own 

620
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:26,300
way. 
It's also that these decisions 

621
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:29,000
are usually imposed on us 
against our will by threats of 

622
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,100
violence. 
As we practice, it is unjust. 

623
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:35,500
We expose innocent people to 
high degrees of risk because we 

624
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:37,699
put their fate in the hands of 
ignorant. 

625
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:40,900
Misinformed irrational bias, and
sometimes a moral decision 

626
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:44,000
makers. 
So when you see that, not a, not

627
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,800
only does it count for your vote
count, for very little, it also 

628
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:53,300
is a one-in-a-million vote 
amongst people who are totally 

629
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:57,400
wrong, totally immoral, and have
no justification for their 

630
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:00,800
beliefs. 
So it's so Discouraging, when 

631
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,500
you see people see that as the 
mechanism, which achieves a 

632
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:08,300
Justified government. 
Well, in its wrapped up to in 

633
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:11,000
this, I remember, and I've made 
a point on the podcast so many 

634
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,600
times to make the point that 
America is not a democracy. 

635
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:18,600
And at what point, it's around, 
the Progressive Era that people 

636
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,900
start referring to America as 
that of the United States as a 

637
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:25,400
democratic country. 
And we have these Democratic 

638
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,500
institutions when it's not. 
I mean, if it were a democracy 

639
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,700
would It'd be one man. 
One vote on each policy, 

640
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:37,400
correct? 
Yeah, that would well, you know 

641
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,500
democracy is rule by the people 
I think is like the origin so 

642
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:46,000
that could be determined in. 
Well, that could be through a 

643
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,100
representative determined by the
people or directly determined by

644
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:50,800
them. 
It's difficult. 

645
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,600
But yeah, as far as the main 
principles and democracy is mass

646
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:58,900
involvement with the average, 
Joe not necessarily a good 

647
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:02,200
thing. 
I don't look at my computer fan,

648
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,900
router microphone cell phone and
say God I wish. 

649
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:06,700
Had been a vote on how to make 
this. 

650
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:10,100
It's like thank God. 
Only, the best Minds were 

651
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,900
involved in this. 
It was voluntarily funded and I 

652
00:36:12,908 --> 00:36:15,000
can opt out and there's 
competition and private 

653
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,200
property. 
That's how we get, good results.

654
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,800
Not not voting. 
Yeah, on, I'm nonsense and 

655
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,200
introducing what? 
We need more ignorant, people, 

656
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,200
who've done no research on this 
topic to be involved heavily. 

657
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,000
That's the worst thing you can 
do in vote by emotion in. 

658
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,900
I saw it as in terms of like 
democracy. 

659
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:39,200
In democracy versus 
republicanism where I understand

660
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,500
republicanism to be a limited 
government based on a 

661
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:46,500
constitutional system where you 
vote for Representatives or 

662
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:50,600
representatives are appointed. 
And so, I see it as existing on 

663
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,400
a spectrum where maybe on this 
side is democracy, and on the 

664
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,200
right side is republicanism. 
And I feel do you feel once? 

665
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,300
We got rid of the direct 
election of senators, or, or how

666
00:37:02,308 --> 00:37:04,900
did that happen? 
Now, it was when it was the 

667
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:07,600
Appointment of senators, right? 
Original. 

668
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,400
And then we went to a direct 
election of senators, wasn't it?

669
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:12,900
Yeah. 
I hope. 

670
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,800
That's right. 
And then, but so we've just 

671
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,300
crept more and more in the 
direction of democracy, and then

672
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:20,700
they start using this. 
And then democracy becomes a 

673
00:37:20,707 --> 00:37:23,500
euphemism for everything that's 
all in good in the world. 

674
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,500
And I love challenging people's 
democracy. 

675
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:31,700
This belief in democracy that 
they say, without thinking about

676
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:34,400
it democracy. 
Is everything good in the world 

677
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,200
and I Always say well, okay. 
So two wolves in the Sheep are 

678
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,900
going to vote over. 
What's for dinner. 

679
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:42,700
I think is the best way that I 
can put it in. 

680
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:46,200
That doesn't a lot of people 
haven't heard of that before or 

681
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,300
heard that, but yeah, Jeffrey 
Epstein and Glenn. 

682
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:52,000
Maxwell vote on what to do with 
Virginia Roberts. 

683
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,400
I mean, it's so unjust when you 
look at it under any other 

684
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,700
circumstance, turns out Walmart 
took a vote and now you have to 

685
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:03,400
work for them indefinitely, but 
in four years, you'll get a one 

686
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,600
in 100 million. 
Chance at getting out of this 

687
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,900
labor, by the way, Walmart 
counts, the votes. 

688
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:11,800
I mean, it's so ridiculous on 
its face. 

689
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,700
That would just have to take 
whatever they say for the state 

690
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:17,300
applied to any other 
organization that I go, what 

691
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,500
that's ridiculous. 
So, yeah, it's good. 

692
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:25,000
That we have truth on our side. 
I do like this part of the 

693
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,600
article where he says, he or he 
addresses. 

694
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,800
If you don't vote, you can't 
complain. 

695
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,900
What they really mean to give 
them a more favorable. 

696
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,900
Explanation of what their 
emotions are trying to get out 

697
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:42,400
through languages. 
If you do, not participate, when

698
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,800
you have the ability to 
participate to participate and 

699
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,200
effect change and you actively 
choose not to do so, you have no

700
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:54,100
morally Justified recognition or
legitimacy in criticizing the 

701
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,400
outcome that you chose to not 
participate in. 

702
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,400
How do you respond to that? 
Well, I like the way that George

703
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,300
Carlin responded to it and this 
is I think this is the same 

704
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:05,100
point. 
I wonder if he got it from Judge

705
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:10,200
Garland or where that that 
sentiment originated but I 

706
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,600
George Carlin is, right? 
Is that if you did vote you 

707
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,400
can't complain. 
Because either you voted for the

708
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,700
person that brings about this 
policy or you voted in an 

709
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:24,300
election and therefore passively
legitimised it by participating 

710
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:30,200
in it and have the outcome. 
And what do you I'll propose 

711
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,800
this question to you. 
Are you a Libertarian that 

712
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,600
thinks that voting is violence? 
Or are you against voting on 

713
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,900
principle? 
That it violates the nap or that

714
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,100
I just want your take on that 
voting is not violence. 

715
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:47,600
If it were violence, I'd be 
morally justified in shooting, 

716
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,400
someone in the head as they go 
to vote. 

717
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,600
I agree. 
So so I am not morally justified

718
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,400
in doing that. 
What it does is it introduces a 

719
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,700
an amount of legitimacy to the 
existence of the state of 

720
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:04,100
system? 
Now, this is also done all the 

721
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,500
time. 
You know, whenever my grandma 

722
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:10,700
says Keith, if the cops ever 
pull you over you have to do 

723
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:13,900
exactly what they tell you. 
It's the law I go. 

724
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:16,600
That is where her making that 
comment in front of 10. 

725
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,400
People is worse than voting 
because it perpetuates the idea 

726
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,400
of State legitimacy in the minds
of the masses as does saying, 

727
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,600
the Pledge as to sing the 
national anthem as just tuning 

728
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,500
into the debates, that get 80 
million people watching the 

729
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:34,100
night of. 
What if no one watched, what if 

730
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:37,000
they throw a A government and no
one came and they threw an 

731
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,200
election and no one came. 
Well, yeah, eventually that 

732
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,700
those are all things that add to
the state's legitimacy. 

733
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:46,800
Voting is not violence, but it, 
but it is like oh that's what 

734
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,900
you participate and kind of kind
of thing. 

735
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,100
No, it doesn't violate the 
non-aggression principle. 

736
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:56,900
Is it counterproductive? 
Look, I'm glad Thomas Massie and

737
00:40:56,900 --> 00:41:01,100
Rand Paul are are in Washington,
d.c., I'm glad Ron Paul Ron, 

738
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:04,800
Paul was there as well. 
I'm glad Louis team McFadden. 

739
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,500
Larry McDonald had been there 
previously. 

740
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:12,500
So yeah, we we are able to get 
some wins but it's just not that

741
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:15,400
one of my bigger priorities, 
because as we mentioned, vote 

742
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,200
matters, very little, and it's 
in a pile of other votes that 

743
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,500
cancel you out to the tune of 
millions from a bunch of other 

744
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:25,500
ignorant people. 
So one thought that I wanted you

745
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:27,600
to riff off of throw it your 
way. 

746
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,900
Is that? 
So one will, I don't want to put

747
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:33,200
you on the spot, but are you 
going to vote in this election? 

748
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,800
Because I'm undecided 
personally. 

749
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:37,900
II don't know. 
No, I'm not. 

750
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:42,600
And that's because well, I don't
want to get into it while we're 

751
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,800
recording. 
Yeah, no. 

752
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,600
No, I'm not able to I probably 
wouldn't be able to but yes, 

753
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,300
okay, and sorry to put you on 
the spot, but that's fine. 

754
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:58,200
I have no problem. 
No problem saying that and I 

755
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,900
don't know if I'm going to or 
not, but some some common things

756
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:04,800
that I've heard is okay. 
Well, yes, they're both bad. 

757
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,100
But one is not as bad as the 
other. 

758
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,800
What's your thought on that? 
Yeah, you know, I really don't 

759
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,300
pin people for that. 
I mean sometimes. 

760
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:16,200
Yeah, sometimes you're just 
buying time. 

761
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:20,600
It's like, all right, would you 
rather tyranny be here intent? 

762
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,200
You. 
No, Malice. 

763
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,900
Has conservatism is 
progressivism driving the speed 

764
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:29,000
limit, you know, I'd rather have
100 Years of freedom and then 

765
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:33,700
slavery versus, you know, 
immediate slavery because at 

766
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:37,100
least you had a glorious. 
Holiday as Hans Hapa likes to 

767
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:41,800
say and even though you know the
reality is that when you have a 

768
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,900
Republican president, you don't 
have Democrats saying we need to

769
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:47,500
stop spending. 
So spending increases more what 

770
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:52,300
they really want. 
Is the left or the opposition to

771
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:56,100
not control the narrative. 
The president said this people 

772
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:59,100
aren't really worried about what
Hilary has to say now because 

773
00:42:59,100 --> 00:43:01,300
she didn't win because Trump did
win. 

774
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,700
Well, he gets the center of 
attention for the next 4 or 

775
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,900
Years. 
And that is sort of what they're

776
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:09,600
voting for. 
I think they love how Trump sort

777
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,200
of hates their enemies and says,
to the media. 

778
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,800
The media isn't going to report.
Keith Knight said that he hates 

779
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,900
Chris Cuomo. 
This is a breaking story. 

780
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:22,100
But they are going to say Trump 
said this about Cuomo and it's 

781
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,700
like, yeah, that's my guy. 
That's what I've been wanting to

782
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:28,200
say to Cuomo, and Don Lemon, and
all these SOB's who just 

783
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,800
constantly lie about us. 
And when you're getting called 

784
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,600
racist non-stop by the media, 
just for being wider, sex is 

785
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,500
forbidden. 
Being male or let's say you are 

786
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:41,900
seen as even as a moocher by Fox
News. 

787
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:45,400
Because you're in undocumented. 
You're an illegal immigrant. 

788
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:48,700
Well, I could see you wanting 
something to counteract that. 

789
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:52,600
So I don't blame people for 
voting for the lesser of two 

790
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,000
weevils at all. 
What about if you vote for the 

791
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,400
Third Party candidate? 
And this case, Joe Jorgensen, 

792
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,600
you're taking a vote away from 
Trump in a lot of cases. 

793
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,700
That's what I've heard. 
Well, Trump, Deserve any bolt. 

794
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:08,900
So the mass murder campaign, 
that he supports and Yemen. 

795
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,000
He is not that alone, but we 
don't even need to get into the 

796
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,600
drug war that that he 
perpetuates. 

797
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,200
And look, man. 
This is a another case. 

798
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,800
For lesser of two weevils. 
He had the first step act. 

799
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,700
I think it's called or Criminal 
Justice Reform. 

800
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:30,000
He had some good deregulation. 
I still I still hate him. 

801
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,300
I think he's totally evil in his
justification, but he does. 

802
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:35,800
It's odd. 
Thing where he calls out the 

803
00:44:35,808 --> 00:44:39,100
military industrial complex, 
every now and then by name 

804
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:43,200
literally. 
So he's tough to crack, but I 

805
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,700
don't blame people for voting 
for him. 

806
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:47,600
I don't blame people for saying 
100 years from now. 

807
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,700
I want the future to know that 
there were libertarian. 

808
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:53,700
So I'm throwing a chip in for 
Jorgensen. 

809
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:57,400
Don't blame for that either. 
Yeah, I like your take and it's 

810
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:00,500
I'm glad I got to talk to you 
about it too because in a way, 

811
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:03,600
I'm I haven't solidified. 
My thoughts on this but I you 

812
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,200
make really good points. 
As usual. 

813
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:11,100
But so the other thing is that 
I'm not necessarily, I think 

814
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,300
that like, okay. 
So if you're going to vote, if 

815
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:17,300
you have to vote, it's probably 
better to vote in your local 

816
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:22,700
elections, because instead of it
being won over 100 million. 

817
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:27,100
It's maybe one over 400. 
So do you like those odds 

818
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:31,100
better? 
I mean still abysmal odds, but 

819
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:35,000
yeah, I love going to the 
meetings and talking. 

820
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,400
People. 
Yeah, just because the fact that

821
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:43,400
they're that we exist increases,
the likelihood that people will 

822
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,700
see our ideas as legitimate when
you hear something the first 

823
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:49,600
time it's like, oh that's a 
weird bizarre thing. 

824
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:53,400
But the second third, fourth and
fifth time you're like, okay, 

825
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,200
this might actually be something
that. 

826
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,000
I mean, a lot of people believe 
this, that's what's Loosely 

827
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,500
referred to as the social proof 
principle. 

828
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,100
That Robert Shield. 
He needs a psychologist. 

829
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:06,700
I think he's a psychologist from
Arizona State really made 

830
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,600
popular. 
That people will drastically. 

831
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:13,600
Think that something is more 
valuable, when more people like 

832
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,600
it, which, I mean, that's sort 
of how I choose to buy things. 

833
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,600
I didn't eat too much. 
I didn't, I don't even, I can't 

834
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,700
even pronounce the name of this 
printer right here, but I got it

835
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:26,800
and it works fine because other 
people had it and it seemed to 

836
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,600
be good. 
Yeah. 

837
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:34,200
So yeah, I think of just going 
there and asking libertarian 

838
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,200
questions being Apologetic. 
I'm a Libertarian. 

839
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,800
Here's why I'm against the 
state. 

840
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,000
You know, everyone's going to 
raise their eyebrows at you. 

841
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,900
But the fact that anyone knows 
what a Libertarian is when, you 

842
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:49,100
know, there were 15 and caps in 
1963 as I constantly mentioned, 

843
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:52,000
but it's so important to 
remember how far we've come. 

844
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,700
Yeah. 
I love doing that. 

845
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:58,800
I had Bill Montgomery. 
Who is the former Attorney 

846
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,200
General of Arizona and I got 
into a nice little fight with 

847
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:08,700
him in a Mitty on, on the drug 
war and that was fun. 

848
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:12,500
One of one of our friends, who I
don't know if he wants me to say

849
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:15,900
this, but he got into a fight 
with Bill Montgomery, over civil

850
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:21,700
asset forfeiture and he chose 
nice Montgomery goes, well. 

851
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,000
Oh God, what I'm glad it wasn't 
on tape because he wouldn't have

852
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,100
done this if it wasn't on tape. 
Montgomery was like well, I'm 

853
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:32,200
civil asset forfeiture of that 
b, that's that's the law, you 

854
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,000
know, and and our friend goes, 
okay. 

855
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,400
So you mr. 
Conservative bible thumper, you 

856
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,100
think rights come from 
government and not God our 

857
00:47:42,107 --> 00:47:46,300
creator. 
It was the first time this 

858
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:49,700
arrogant prick, pause and goes. 
Well, it's important to find a 

859
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:52,200
balance between our natural 
rights, and what we, as a 

860
00:47:52,207 --> 00:47:55,000
society decide to do. 
I mean, it was the perfect mind 

861
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,300
control MKUltra response that he
gave. 

862
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,400
But if it's fun to just inject 
those into the populace and get 

863
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,000
to talk to people and see where 
they're at intellectually. 

864
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:06,800
Yeah. 
It kind of well, it does kind of

865
00:48:06,808 --> 00:48:09,600
remind me of there was that 
interview that Bernie Sanders 

866
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:14,100
had, where there's a lot of 
these interviews and I can't 

867
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:15,900
think of exactly who was 
interviewing him. 

868
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,500
But he didn't helpful. 
It might have been he pinned 

869
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:19,900
them in. 
He pinned him in that 

870
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:23,800
intellectual Corner. 
We're like what gives the police

871
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,300
officer the right to do 
something that I can't do. 

872
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:28,300
I don't know if it was that the 
question. 

873
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:32,900
Do you recall so Health Bill? 
Am I getting yeah. 

874
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:38,400
Jan, hell felt the objectivist. 
He was like, should the 

875
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,000
government. 
Protect people who want to 

876
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,000
forcefully? 
Take their property and Bernie 

877
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,800
saw. 
I think he saw, what was going 

878
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,200
on like right away. 
He goes. 

879
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,400
I want to know who you work for.
Well, you're welcome. 

880
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,600
I don't know what your angle is 
here. 

881
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:55,000
It's like, you know what? 
This is one of the amazing 

882
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,700
things where they're like, 
democracy is about, you know, 

883
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:02,100
you working together and then 
building up until you get to 

884
00:49:02,107 --> 00:49:04,700
your representative. 
And then you persuade him, you 

885
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:07,900
say, we're I threatened you and 
throw you out and then he has to

886
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:11,700
vote the way you do or is 
incentivized to do so, it's it 

887
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:14,800
really is a red pilling moment. 
When you're like, alright, I am 

888
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,200
with a congressperson. 
This is the, you know, almost as

889
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,800
high as it gets and he has no 
interest in answering your 

890
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,700
question at all. 
Zero could not care. 

891
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:29,200
Less Dodges, the question stands
up leaves the room and then you 

892
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,500
could see off camera, when he 
thinks they're not recording. 

893
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:34,100
He goes. 
I want to know who you work for 

894
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:36,800
again and again, And now that 
it's been 20 years. 

895
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:40,300
He still does the you this is by
the Koch brothers. 

896
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:43,200
He still has no principled 
argument for any of his ideas. 

897
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:46,100
It's always, I associate them 
with this group. 

898
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:48,800
I attack this group, just by 
attacking them. 

899
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,200
Not even, he doesn't even give 
us a list of why we should hate 

900
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,300
the cokes or anything else. 
So yeah, that that is the 

901
00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:57,400
interview and that that's what 
one of the great ones along with

902
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,700
is Nancy. 
Pelosi interview on the minimum 

903
00:49:59,700 --> 00:50:00,500
wage. 
Yeah. 

904
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:04,000
Oh, yeah, we'll have to put if I
when I'm going through I'll make

905
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,400
work for myself, but I'll And 
find that and put it in the show

906
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,400
notes page, but that's like the 
moment in with the MPC meme 

907
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,100
where the eyebrows go down, 
eyebrows Furrow, see. 

908
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:16,800
Walk them into that, logical 
corner. 

909
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,200
And then, yeah, the eyebrows go 
down. 

910
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,100
So I know that you had some, 
some things that we were going 

911
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:26,700
to take a look at Keith as well 
that go on voting. 

912
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:28,800
Any other thoughts. 
Before we dive into that. 

913
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:32,300
I just want to get into a couple
more, Jason Brennan points 

914
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:35,500
there. 
Now, people know this, but it's 

915
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:40,900
hard to process. 
So I just want to touch on page 

916
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:43,200
25 of against democracy by Jason
Brandon. 

917
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,300
He says, I could write an entire
book, just documenting how 

918
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:50,500
little, how little voters know. 
But since many There's have 

919
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:53,200
already done that, all only 
offer a few examples during 

920
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,700
election years. 
Most citizens cannot identify 

921
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,900
any Congressional candidate in 
their District citizens. 

922
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:02,000
Generally don't know which party
controls Congress immediately. 

923
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,800
Before the 2004 presidential 
election, almost 70% of US 

924
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,300
citizens were unaware that 
Congress had added a 

925
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:11,000
prescription drug benefit. 
To Medicare though. 

926
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,200
This was a giant increase to the
federal budget and the largest 

927
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,400
new entitlement program since 
President Johnson began the war 

928
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,700
on poverty. 
No one virtually. 

929
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:26,300
No one knew about the troubled 
asset relief package. 

930
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:28,900
They had heard of bailouts, but 
they didn't know about it. 

931
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:32,300
They didn't read the bill, which
is the whole, which is the whole

932
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:33,900
idea. 
Well, you read the bill and then

933
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:36,600
you criticize it and then your 
Congressman has to change his 

934
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,900
mind. 
None of that actually happens. 

935
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:42,600
Americans, vastly overestimate 
how much money is spent on 

936
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,500
foreign aid, and so many of them
mistakenly believe we can 

937
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:49,100
significantly reduce the budget 
by cutting foreign aid, 73% of 

938
00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:51,100
Americans. 
Do not Understand what the Cold 

939
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:54,200
War was about 40 percent of 
Americans, do not know whom the 

940
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,700
United States fought in World 
War Two. 

941
00:51:57,100 --> 00:52:00,100
Now, that means, they could 
probably name the national 

942
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:04,400
socialists in Germany, but not 
Imperial, Japan, and their 

943
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,700
access with Benito. 
Mussolini. 

944
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:10,700
Let alone could they give a 
reason, let alone, could they 

945
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:14,200
give how we can avoid this issue
in the future? 

946
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:17,000
So it's just so it's so 
ridiculous. 

947
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:23,200
He get he goes on to say. 
What voting does is it helps 

948
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,100
them root for their team against
the hated Rivals? 

949
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:30,000
This is really where the emotion
of boating, really comes from 

950
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:33,700
going on to say, some think 
democracy is valuable. 

951
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:36,800
The way a painting is, we should
value it for what it expresses 

952
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,700
or symbolizes. 
So once we've defeated the, you 

953
00:52:39,707 --> 00:52:43,500
have a one in 125 million in the
presidential election, assuming 

954
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:45,800
they count the votes. 
Well, what it does, is it 

955
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,700
symbolizes? 
We should think of democracy the

956
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:54,200
way it Person values a hammer as
an end in and of itself. 

957
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:58,700
He goes into that but we need to
realize is voting for something 

958
00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:01,700
doesn't improve. 
Its overall quality, just as 

959
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,700
there should have been people 
voting on how to write this 

960
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:06,600
book. 
No, it's much better that it was

961
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:11,100
a voluntary monarchy or 
anarcho-capitalist approach to 

962
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:14,900
writing a book. 
And then he goes, oh, he ends 

963
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:18,300
with this one politics, 
threatens an ideal of mutual 

964
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:22,700
respect and regard. 
So, just as if there was State 

965
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:26,000
religion, would constantly be 
fighting over, who controls the 

966
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,700
state. 
So your religion isn't imposed 

967
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:29,800
on anyone. 
We're always going to be 

968
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,900
fighting. 
I don't see it dying down. 

969
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:35,100
I think it's only going to 
escalate or more or less Plateau

970
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,500
from where it is now because 
you're always involved in 

971
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:41,500
initiating aggression against 
peaceful people with your ideas 

972
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:44,400
versus theirs. 
So we can't put down our swords 

973
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,400
just like we do for Religious 
Freedom when it comes to 

974
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:54,800
economic freedom. 
And any other aspect of Yeah, 

975
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,400
well, I think we accomplished 
what we set out to do with this 

976
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,600
episode. 
So we've never covered this 

977
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,500
before. 
I don't think on our part. 

978
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:05,800
I'm trying to think back to 
everything. 

979
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,100
II don't think so, either. 
So, do you have any comments on 

980
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:15,000
Brennan's against democracy? 
I just got two other things that

981
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,400
I want to read because I don't 
want to just bash a voting and 

982
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,400
then leave people. 
I got somewhat of a solution 

983
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,100
here. 
Oh good. 

984
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:23,500
Okay. 
Well, I was going to share this 

985
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:27,400
one thought that I at a certain 
point in time with the show. 

986
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,000
I came across. 
I convinced myself that it would

987
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,600
be better aside from voting to 
call your representative in to 

988
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,700
tell their office not to do. 
So I think it's probably a 

989
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:41,000
little more effective than just 
voting. 

990
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,700
But when it looked like we were 
on the brink of war with Iran 

991
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:47,200
and there were tomahawk missiles
being launched. 

992
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,400
I called up my Representatives, 
my representatives in quotes 

993
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,100
because Tom Woods has a great 
piece about what is it the tail 

994
00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:59,300
of the slave but Tom Woods. 
Also had a good one about the 

995
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:02,000
impossibility of political the 
myth of political 

996
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,000
representation, like for 
instance. 

997
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:09,600
I'm a lawyer when someone Hires 
me, I have to do what they say. 

998
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,600
Yeah, and you know as long as 
that the representation period 

999
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:19,200
happens, but if you vote for 
someone and you're in there, 

1000
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,500
your representative, you know, 
do they really represent you? 

1001
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:26,400
If you have no control over what
they do and why do we have the 

1002
00:55:26,408 --> 00:55:29,500
double standard? 
Why does true representation 

1003
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:31,600
exists all the time in the legal
field? 

1004
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:38,200
If there's a fiduciary duty or 
doctors have duties to their So,

1005
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,000
why does that just go out the 
window? 

1006
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,000
And is it the tail of the slave?
We're in which cases? 

1007
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,800
I guess that's in which case is 
this person not a slave but 

1008
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,100
there's a similar one where I 
don't know if he goes through it

1009
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:52,800
in that one. 
Is that nowzik? 

1010
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:56,400
Yes. 
Oh no, Zach wrote the tail and 

1011
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,000
in Anarchy State and Utopia. 
I'm not sure. 

1012
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,900
I know that Woods has batch this
a number of times in his book 

1013
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:06,800
meltdown where he uses the 
example of Diane. 

1014
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:11,700
An Feinstein, he starts a New 
York Times article got I think 

1015
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:18,600
you know, 10,000 calls on. 
Tarp the bailouts and 97% I 

1016
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,600
think was the number of people 
who outright opposed it and she 

1017
00:56:21,607 --> 00:56:24,300
voted for it and she still there
to this day. 

1018
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:29,100
Yeah, I mean the idea that oh 
she's shaking in her boots. 

1019
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,100
That's just not the reality 
which doesn't mean it's 

1020
00:56:32,100 --> 00:56:36,500
inherently illegitimate because 
in you know, the non political 

1021
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:39,100
Realm It's sometimes good that 
you can't affect what other 

1022
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:43,500
people do, the difference. 
Obviously, as we know is it's 

1023
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:47,300
with money and property. 
You voluntarily acquired so that

1024
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:49,800
the big deal no longer exists. 
It's your stuff. 

1025
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,500
Yeah, and why I thought that 
when I called maybe her staffers

1026
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:56,800
and I've heard this from people 
before who have worked in 

1027
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,400
Congressional offices, state, 
senators and whatnot. 

1028
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,600
But they say, well, for every 
person that calls we figured 

1029
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,800
there's two or three hundred 
people that feel the same way. 

1030
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:08,900
That didn't call or something 
like that. 

1031
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:12,100
So, of course, it doesn't affect
the end result. 

1032
00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:15,000
And I think a few weeks later. 
I got a letter from my 

1033
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,000
representatives and it said, 
well, I certainly something 

1034
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,800
about. 
I certainly understand the that 

1035
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,900
individuals are concerned with 
with foreign relations. 

1036
00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:29,100
However, Iran is the number one 
state sponsor of Terror. 

1037
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:31,800
And, you know, so I was like, 
all right. 

1038
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:34,500
Yeah. 
Sounds great. 

1039
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,800
Exactly gets it. 
So they have to simultaneously 

1040
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,000
say you matter, you should be 
involved and all this other 

1041
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,000
stuff. 
But the reality is is that they 

1042
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,300
don't have the information on. 
I don't know, Healthcare 

1043
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:54,600
education, the environment 
technology, the documents of 

1044
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:58,300
what's going on in Iran. 
Saudi Arabia, Russia, China, you

1045
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:00,100
don't know this. 
And that's okay that you don't 

1046
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:02,000
know. 
That's why the division of labor

1047
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,500
is so valuable. 
In a society where there's 

1048
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:07,800
private property free trade and 
the ability to discriminate and 

1049
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,900
not associate with people who 
are behaving poorly. 

1050
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,400
So it gives them an incentive. 
Look Marco, Rubio would probably

1051
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,900
be a good productive member of 
society. 

1052
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,100
If there wasn't this thing, he 
could occupy and have people 

1053
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:26,000
can't think straight but Bodom 
in and abide by him. 

1054
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,600
So, of course, he first thing 
that comes out Trump gets covid 

1055
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,100
ago, and he any of our 
adversaries who see this as 

1056
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,300
Weakness. 
Well, we will not back down just

1057
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:38,600
because our president is you no 
ill. 

1058
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:42,400
The amazing thing is they've so 
gas-lit us with regard to 

1059
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,200
everything else. 
If there was a legitimate attack

1060
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:51,300
against America for blowback 
causes, we would have no way of 

1061
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:54,100
determining whether or not it 
was true, anything. 

1062
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:57,700
The cia's involved in. 
I mean, come on, killing Bin 

1063
00:58:57,700 --> 00:58:59,500
Laden and throwing his body in 
the ocean. 

1064
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,800
I mean, Scott Hortons been on my
show. 

1065
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,600
He says, that he has seen More 
Hirsch, as an accurate Source on

1066
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,000
that. 
But that is the exact thing you 

1067
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,900
would expect them to do and you 
know, provide no evidence for 

1068
00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:15,400
they finally catch us guy. 
We've been after for 20 years, 

1069
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:19,400
even though CNN and ABC were 
able to get ahold of him, poor 

1070
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,500
CIA couldn't get a hold of them 
and then they finally kill them 

1071
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:26,400
and throw them in the. 
It's so it's so ridiculous. 

1072
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,300
So yeah, you know what? 
I am actually going to stop 

1073
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:33,000
there. 
I say, we make a second. 

1074
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,000
On Solutions. 
Oh, good. 

1075
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,400
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1076
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,200
And that gives us a reason to do
another show and maybe a week or

1077
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,300
so, sounds good. 
Yeah. 

1078
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:44,100
All right, happy to see you 
again, brother. 

1079
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,400
Yeah, you too, man, and why 
don't you go through and plug 

1080
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,200
all the sources. 
I know I've linked to your show,

1081
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,100
lots in the past, but just go 
ahead. 

1082
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:54,000
You know what? 
I'm only going to plug one. 

1083
00:59:54,100 --> 00:59:56,300
That's good because if I plug 
10, no one's going to do 

1084
00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:57,800
anything. 
They'll be paralyzed and 

1085
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,300
overwhelmed. 
Please check out my library 

1086
01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:04,100
account. 
It'll it I'll be right in the 

1087
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:08,100
description here. 
It's such a great alternative to

1088
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,600
YouTube. 
It's constantly improving 

1089
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,600
minds.com is also improving. 
I don't even want to mention 

1090
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,600
two, just Library. 
Please get me there. 

1091
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,000
So I at least have a soft place 
to land. 

1092
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,300
Once the account gets taken down
my video. 

1093
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:23,700
I get notifications all the 
time. 

1094
01:00:23,700 --> 01:00:26,800
My video why they hate us was 
restricted. 

1095
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:29,600
One of the most appropriate 
things I've ever put up online 

1096
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,400
restricted. 
So, yes, please please check 

1097
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,000
that out. 
Pat. 

1098
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:34,300
Good to talk to you again 
brother. 

1099
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,800
Yeah, you too in before we go my
wife and I I'd be remiss if I 

1100
01:00:37,808 --> 01:00:40,700
didn't plug this but my wife and
I started a show together. 

1101
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,400
It's been very enjoyable to do 
that with her. 

1102
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,500
It is unhallowed. 
It's at unhallowed podcast.com. 

1103
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:51,700
We review we met in Gothic 
horror fiction class at the 

1104
01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:57,700
University of Minnesota and we 
fell in love, but we review 

1105
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,700
classic works of Gothic horror. 
And so if you want a little 

1106
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:04,400
break from the Hysteria, Go and 
check that out. 

1107
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,900
So we just got approved iTunes, 
but it's really great to see you

1108
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:09,300
Keith. 
I'm really looking forward to 

1109
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:11,700
talking to you again. 
And yeah. 

1110
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,200
Until next time. 
Take care, man. 

1111
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:14,500
Bye.