Hello friends and welcome to another episode of the Liberty
weekly podcast. This one is episode 1, 32 in the
show notes may be found at Liberty weekly.
Dotnet forward slash 132 and I'm joined today by an old friend of
the show. It's getting the band back
together. Mr. Keith Knight.
How are you doing, buddy? I'm doing excellent.
Patrick. Right?
To have you back brother? Yeah.
It's so good to see you man. And just you know, I guess it
was with the Ruth Bader Ginsburg episode.
I jump back in the saddle because how could I sit on the
sidelines during that? I mean sub all times.
Yes, the the great legal mind. I was glad to see you commenting
more than anyone else. Well, I appreciate that.
And you've been busy, man. You haven't been sitting idle.
What, why don't you tell the audience, just a little bit of
what you been up to. I saw your on the, the
libertarian Institute now, right?
I am, yeah, so I will pretty much make sure to post that
stuff there. I have been just because YouTube
is doing some censoring. I've been posting a lot of
Library and bitch shoot exclusive.
So please subscribe to my library Channel.
I will send a Patrick the link to have that in the show notes,
but I was not able to think of what I've been up to so I
actually had to pull up my channel here.
I had I've had a number of people on recently I'd say the
best one recently was Michael humor.
I've been trying to have a conversation with him for two
years finally sealed the deal on that.
I thought we had a very productive discussion.
Attempted to refute anarcho-communism contradiction
in terms with Patrick Smith recently.
So I've been trying to get out a video every three days or so.
Well, I've been seeing that. I mean, you've had interviews
with some big people, every three days.
That's a pretty good. I mean, at this point, I guess,
what was keeping me back from interviewing big names aside
from the scheduling was just being nervous, you know, but but
you're like you're an old hat now, aren't you?
I mean, you just got so much experience.
I At an interview once and I'm not going to tell people what it
is. They need to watch all my
interviews to find out and determine it.
But it was so bad that and is so embarrassing.
So cringy that I go. I could never be worse than
that. So, I might as well give it a
shot or, you know, I really just think of God.
I wish I was. You know, if I was alive in the
time of hazlitt and mises and rothbard and Frederic bastiat,
I'd love to get a chance to speak with them.
Let alone record an entire. Your communication session.
So I mean, even though I do very poor every now and then it's
still worth it to have access to some of the great minds ever.
Even if you do a terrible job. Hey, I still got to communicate
with the best of the best. So it it's an easy pay off.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, you know how much I think of you man, you're just out
there kicking ass and taking names and it's really cool to
watch from the sidelines. So but it's good to be back one
of the comments you made. Been doing a lot of depositions
lately at work because you know, my cases are going.
But I had one deposition where I prepped the witness for like 6
hours the day before and we got into the deposition and he
started being deposed and everything.
Just went out the window. I believe it was.
And at that point in time, I was like, okay.
Wow, that was a horrible experience, but it can't get any
worse than that. So so yeah, it's kind of the The
same. But yeah, and one of the reasons
why I came back as because things are just so crazy.
That how could I not be? You know talking about have you
done? Have you done any shows lately
just talking about current events.
I know in this in the show since the elections coming up we
wanted to tackle voting, but I also wanted to talk just a
little bit and get your take about what's going on, you know,
and there's so many things to pick from.
So The current events are just current for like two days,
right? The problem, by the time, I
recorded get it up and bit, you done processing and it's all new
stuff. It's, you know, it was the Trump
didn't condemn, the proud boys. Then it was the milania tapes.
Then it was Trump has covid like, within three days.
It's just now, of course in the grand scheme of the state's mass
murder, Mass theft and mass kidnapping all over the planet.
Of course. It's nothing.
But it is interesting to see. How the media just goes from 0
to 60 and totally flips on the importance of different topics.
It was crazy. So I watched the debate and we
had talked about doing a debate recap, but it was like, you
know, everyone's doing that. We're just going to just comment
on it, maybe, but it was, it was like, you know, who was it?
He was a mainstream media guy, who was at NBC, who did this
thing, where they're like, it's an orange.
An orange is an orange, and we're going to say that.
It's an orange. Yeah, CNN said this is an apple.
Yeah. Yeah, people are going to tell
you it's a banana but it's an apple.
Well, I felt like after the debate when all the Talking
Heads got on I saw what I saw with my own eyes and heard what
I heard with my own ears, but it felt like they got on in to make
that same analogy. There were a bunch of banana
sitting on the counter and they got on and they were just
talking, you know, orange this in Orange that and it's
orwellian. I mean, it's just I know that
term is kind of cliche. Overused, but holy crap.
Well, yeah, I mean, my favorite moment by far is Biden, goes,
what we need is, we need testing number one, to number three, we
need. And As Trump is talking, he
goes. And by the way, Chris, yet, by
the way, you missed number two, in the middle of his own
sentence. So, you just get those gems like
that Nike. I gotta say, like, when When
people are watching that, do you know you're watching something
that involves? No, intellectual depth.
I mean, like the average person. Like, if you watch a Soho forum
debate and then watch that, I mean, can you really compare
those two? I mean, I don't know, Richard
Epstein, and Michael humor had a debate or any time, you know,
Corey DeAngelis debate. Someone on school choice to
watch that. And then see.
And then see this presidential debate.
I mean aren't, isn't the ideal that these are the best of the
best, we all get together for years and then put our best
person forward and then they have this dual.
It's like the weakest of the week is how sort of boating and
Democratic societies. End up pushing people to the top
because that's who they have to appeal to.
What do you going to talk about rent control?
And, you know, Selective Service being code for slavery, right?
Well in it had the effect of I know there were a lot Lot of
people in my personal life, just kind of shaking their heads
collectively, and I know Joe, Jorgenson's website crashed a
few times the next day. Did you hear about that?
No, I saw that. There was a post of, you know,
number of people who search the libertarian candidate is like
this, until the debate night, and then it just shot up
drastically. That that doesn't surprise me.
I certainly hope people come across my interview with her
because I felt Like that was I really tried to be productive in
our conversation. I thought you did a fine job,
but gosh, when well when they mentioned something like it's
the two-party duopoly and these are the people that created the
mess. I don't feel like that gets to
the heart of the issue, which is what I tried to avoid in my
interview because I feel like well then why don't they just go
to the green party and what's wrong with politics at all?
We just need to get more involved and give them more
power to I represent us. So I hope that when people find
her, they come across some of her good works.
Yeah. Yeah, and that's maybe kind of
the Joy about doing, what we do is that you can just call them
up and things, are libertarian, personalities are relatively
accessible, so you can call someone up.
You have questions and you can just have a real conversation.
That's really cool. So what do you think is going to
happen? I mean things change every
single day was was Trump getting covid the October surprise.
Do you? Or is there more?
So I think October, surprise actually means people hold on to
something until October. So I think the October surprise
that they wanted was the milania tapes because they actually came
out in October. But those were trending for like
an hour and a half, because it was a few hours later.
Trump got covid which made me wonder.
I wonder if he really has it or if he just wants to silence.
Oh, and then before even the proud boys thing, There was my
God. I just lost it before the pro,
the Trump taxes, that was huge. They've been talking about that
since 2016. Now, I don't know about, you
know, income taxes versus how much he paid in corporate versus
property taxes, but just to see how this sort of Silence,
everything else. I think it's a blessing for
Trump. I think it's going to be a net
benefit, for Trump. It's going to be.
Yeah, this thing I told, You wasn't too bad and I'm and it's
okay if people get it, well, I got it and I'm okay.
It's going to be the, it's going to be the ability to see
something that the statistics actually show, which I think is
more than 99 percent survival rate.
So people can't process not the 99% number, but when they see
old man, Trump got it, he's okay.
Okay. Well, maybe we shouldn't have
shut down the economy. Yeah.
Yeah, and I It's crazy. I I don't I haven't even talked
about it on the show, and I don't.
A lot of people have said, a lot of things about it, but it's
just I can't believe every day. I can't believe how long it's
been and I can't believe how upset people are.
I mean people are going nuts. There's you can't get a
therapist in my area, you know. I had a therapist tell me it was
like, you know, November of 2016.
She goes Keith. I have people coming and crying
on my couch about the election, I go.
Really, but dude that goes to show you how the media mind
control. And this Trump derangement
syndrome really can get you. So now that it's been four years
and it hasn't been the terrible thing that, you know, they were
warning us about turns out Trump's more or less.
As evil as any other president. So they really focus on kids in
cages. Well, according to the Arizona
Republic that started in the year 2014.
We know this because the published picture was in 2014
and the article was published. So, it's not even like I have a
feeling, it was happening. It was already occurring.
So then they really have to harp on BLM.
Yeah, turns out. According to Roland, fryer
black, professor at Harvard blacks are not shot out of
proportion to the amount of crime that they commit, just
like men. Our killed more by the police.
They commit, most of the crime, you get, you know, examples like
Kelly Thomas and Duncan lamp who get no air time, but you know,
when it fits the narrative, they will have a black suspect get or
a black victim, get a lot of attention which of course they
deserve. But it should be distributed
equally, I think when you see that nothing that they said came
to fruition. It's amazing that they Able to
keep up the hysteria. So it was, you know, trans and
blacks, and women are all going to, you know, go to hell within
the next four years, then he called their Bluff and then one.
So it's like, all right. Let's see what the next four
years have and then it was nothing.
I mean, I don't that Cavanaugh the Supreme Court didn't even
vote on a abortion issue. So, yeah, it shows that the
hysteria is just so, is so embedded and out of the hundreds
of millions of TDS, have a Sophia was well.
Well, I guess I was wrong, right?
Yeah, they don't really stop and think and kind of analyze their
own actions. I mean, at least for me, so when
and I haven't, yeah, I haven't talked about this on the show,
but when covid first happened, I was, I was, you know, it was
scary. Like, they were bringing in
ships to New York City, to treat people.
And I had a young child at the time and I was startled, you
know, I thought that, of course, they shouldn't mandate lockdowns
and they shouldn't do anything like that, but maybe it Be a
good idea to voluntarily do these things at the very
beginning and I was thinking about it and then it was two
weeks shut down to flatten the curve.
And then it very, very quickly to me.
Of course. I always had my eye open for
shenanigans because we you know, we expect that but it very
quickly became very apparent to me that this was all a big ruse.
Yeah, so it's a, it's always hard to determine if this was a
planned demic or something like that.
But I mean, all you have to do is know that they constantly
capitalize off any situation. So even though this could be,
the ultimate reason that we need no FDA.
So, we have total competition. So, we have total investment.
We have more Innovation and medicine, because there might be
a pandemic, we need an Innovative vibrant medical
industry. You could easily make that
argument just as much as you. Good.
Well, we need the state to increase its power.
So get the fact that they're always able to pull people to
the side of increasing Reliance on the state just shows you that
whether you know, it is a planned emic or they just took
advantage of it. I mean, look, all of the
governors and all of the politicians and all the media
pundits could not have been in on this.
They just capitalized on it immediately.
Yeah. So either now, granted it very
possible. I mean, The event 201, extremely
bizarre, war game exercise. So to speak that the Gates
Foundation had talking about a coronavirus.
I get that all those things exist.
But so long as we're able to think, clearly and see through
it. Well, then they can't fake us
out whether it's a real pandemic.
Killing 100 percent of people or it's a nothing killing, you
know, 0.1%. Yeah.
Yeah, and I've stayed kind of, I mean, at the very least, yes, I
believe coronavirus is real. I don't, I don't know if anyone
is saying I mean, there are people saying it doesn't exist
at all. I'm sure but you know, I think
it is real. I think it's a novel virus.
I also think it was either manufactured or released at a
certain time or at the very least, you know, I don't have
definitive proof on this. I know, Corbett has done a lot
of good work when this was happening about what was
happening in Wuhan at the time. And a lot of it seemed like for
knowledge in a certain way. I'll put a link in the show
notes page to that. But at the very least yeah, it
was just it's been taking advantage of Of in.
Well, yeah and South China university.
Did a study and it more or less said that the closest horseshoe
bat colony to the wet Market is like 800 kilometers, but where
the virus was released was extremely close to a Wuhan lab
where this very thing was being studied.
So whether it's intentional or accidental, you know, even if it
Accidental. I don't know.
I know that accidents can happen when there's, you know, little
accountability and coercive funding, so maybe it was that
maybe it was intentional. Certainly bio, weapons are not
above the state. I mean, Tuskegee experiment,
Unit 731. This is you know, one of their
go Twos for the the elites. I have no clue.
But yeah, certainly the morons who just take that off the table
while I do. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson of that,
this could never happen and Matt, Dillahunty the weakest
Skeptics on the planet. So you had mentioned the milania
tapes a little bit earlier and I don't know what that is.
It. Was that a scandal?
That was kind of might be covered up by Trump having
Corona, and that's the funny thing.
So let me read off to you one of the milania tapes.
It's so this is a private conversation between her and a
friend from July of 2018. That's why I thought it was an
October surprise, because if it had happened, you know,
September 29th, it would Been the fact that they sat on this
for a year and a half much like they sat on Trump's, you know,
conversation with bush about grabbing women and the other
one. And, you know, they also tried
it with with Trump's taxes, but I can't imagine that that really
lost him. Any votes.
Give me a second or I just want to pull these up because there
are a number of quotes your she more or less.
Was talking about oh, it's such, it's so annoying.
Having to decorate the White House during Christmas time and
people are mentioning, you know, these kids in cages like who
give who gives an F, you know, they didn't care about it when
Obama was President. So the clip is kids in cages who
gives an f and it looks really bad, but the reality is is she
is expressing her hatred for the double standard.
Not that she likes. Seeing kids in cages, you know,
I think she came from a poor immigrant background as well.
But when I searched milania tapes, I can't find any quotes.
That's how that's how polluted Twitter as with Trump.
Haven't covid. So whatever.
Yeah, people will find it. Yeah.
Well, I just didn't know what it was even at all, what the, what
the Scandal was. So, well, as we get closer here
to election day, and I don't know if you wanted to touch,
Chon, what do you think about this mail-in voting stuff?
I mean, are we are we going into a situation?
That might get violent? Perhaps, do you think?
Well, there's been violence for the last three months based on a
BLM, false narrative. So yeah, I'm sure that an actual
vote that exists willed would likely cause of violence, or
people to resist the outcome of the election.
Wouldn't wouldn't surprise me. At all as far as male and goes.
My whole thing is, if you're at the pole and you vote it,
drastically increases the likelihood that it's accurate as
opposed to when it's mailed. And now when it's being mailed,
that gives rise to hundreds of different factors that
previously didn't exist when you were at the pole itself.
So the the number of, you know, things that could go wrong just
strikes me as you know, it. They could be fraudulent.
They could be destroyed a lot, could go missing and the ilhan.
Omar thing that came out, certainly was damning in her
defense. She got 78 percent of the vote
in Minnesota, but that does not address a number of things.
For example, this is a pattern of Minnesota, Al Franken,
according to US news.com., Al Franken may have won his senate
seat through voter fraud. This was back in the year 2010
that they were talking about voter fraud in, Minnesota.
MIT did a study voting by mail increases the use and
reliability of male based voting options.
The executive summary says more or less 3.9.
Sorry, 3.9 million ballots, can go missing and MIT.
Study says, 3.9 million absentee ballots requested.
We're never mailed to the voter. So look, it increases the number
of variables. It's much less likely.
You're going to get an accurate outcome States illegitimate
anyways, but I think this is just a funny thing that the one
mechanism you have, for its legitimate because we vote.
And then it's like totally not counted accurately.
Right? It's more sad than anything
else. But yeah, yeah, it is in.
I was thinking in preparation for this show to kind of talk
about the religion of voting, how it's kind of a religious
ceremony. E.
In the past, so, it seems interesting that at this point
in time. We're really having a lot of
Doubt surrounding the legitimacy of Elections.
My thought is, are we entering an age when it's just the nature
of everything with technology. It sheds doubt on the process.
How we're getting a reliable? Legitimate election, went in the
past. Maybe we never had legitimate
elections, that were accurate in untampered and now we just know
about it because technology is So pervasive, I've always
wondered that like when the votes were counted, what if the
news just reported the opposite of what happened?
I mean, how it's not like people would be saying, let me go back
and do the voting. It's like you're working 10-hour
days in the 1800s. I mean, what is the, what are
the checks and balances? So it does once you realize how
little Accuracy, there can be in finding the truth regarding, you
know, something like boating. It just opens your mind up to.
Oh my God, this could be really bad.
Yeah. Well in, if democracy only, I
say democracy Loosely the Democratic process, the idea of
people voting, if it makes you think about how unstable of the
system, it is how stable unstable the system of
government it is. If all we have to do is shed
doubt on its legitimacy and accuracy the Thing blows up.
I mean, what is going to happen if the election happens?
And you just get two sides, who think that their candidate won
or is condemning the results of the election.
I'm thinking just cold total chaos and panic.
We've seen this play out in Iraq and Afghanistan, as they're
trying to establish new governments and people are
getting attacked on the way to the polls.
How are people like the, you know, the pashtun.
For example, I don't know if they ever actually.
We participated in the elections, but how are they
supposed to have legitimacy in it?
I don't understand. Yeah, I mean, I think it's going
to go to a Supreme Court decision just because everything
can be contested and contested and contested until it hits the
Supreme Court and then they make the final decision.
But even then what if the masses don't accept it and, you know,
by that I pretty much only mean the the left is, I can't even
see the right having even if they you know thought Trump was
justly elected. Up to see them, Stand Down to
the state with regard to the Brianna Taylor thing.
I think the conservative right is just under such a hypnotic
trance about the justification for when the state is acting out
of it's morally, Justified role. I don't see them resisting at
all. Yeah, that's that's a very makes
me think a little bit. I, I don't know at the same
time. I do think that, well, it all
depends on whether or not the right thinks that it's
legitimate. And I think that if they think
it's illegitimate and Biden won by an underhanded, you know,
with all this voter fraud or whatever.
I don't think. So.
I don't think they would just go into the night, maybe that I
don't think. Does that go against what you're
saying? Yeah.
Yeah, but I mean it's hard to predict people's behavior.
Right? When the state has them under
mind control. Yeah, I mean literally riots
over George Floyd. No one knows who Kelly Thomas
is. I mean, no one knows who Tony,
tempeh is the guy who was killed under similar circumstances.
The Kelly Thomas murder was also on tape and it was way worse.
Yeah, and he's crying out for his mother and the cops went to
trial and got off. Yeah.
So this is this is way Worse than anything that might
potentially occur with George Floyd and then Duncan limp and
Brianna Taylor. So when you literally see that
the media exist to issue opinions to the masses that the
Prussian education system has designed them not to see
through. It's like, I don't know what's
going to happen. It's really difficult while I'm
with Kelly Thomas. Have you ever seen that
courtroom picture? This is a wonderful exhibit.
Used by the his attorneys that were Resenting him that poster
board that had in red. Please stop like 37 times
counting. The number of times.
He said these things like I'm sorry 40 times its and what was
the other? The one, where the man was shot
in the hotel. He was in the hotel.
Daniel Schaefer. That was actually by Mark
Victor, who is a great attorney for freedom.
In, in Arizona. He's done some excellent work.
With helping clients, I don't think he won the Steven
Anderson, the Steven Anderson trial, but he was up against
u.s. Border patrol.
So that's a, that's pretty difficult.
But yeah, they just told Andersen get out of your car.
We smell drugs even though they don't they did the same thing to
me when I went to California. That's I wasn't even going to a
different country. They had us.
Get out had the dog, you know, go around, they did the same
thing to my dad coming back from Mexico.
So yet this is just weird. Teen tyranny that the state
engages in thankful for guys like Victor and you in the law
field. Yeah.
I've our firm has done some of that work actually but um, so
Kind of lost my train of thought here.
But so as we're going into the election, I wanted to ask you,
what you think about you mentioned the Prussian education
system, but that kind of plays into when Europe transitioned
from monarchies kind of around World War one and into this
democratic system. This modern era of And it kind
of gets on and it touches on. Why is it necessary for the
populist to view the government as themselves?
Because as we read in An Enemy of the State, I think it's
really enlightening that it's very important for the modern
State apparatus to have. It citizens think that the
government is them. I love how anatomy of the
state's one of those. That's it's just like a Biblical
verse. It was anatomy of the state
1:31. It's just so great to reference.
So often that in it constantly fits.
I think it's important. That primarily people see the
state as a unique institution in so far, as it is an extension of
themselves and exist in nature almost too.
Preserve order. Because when people are angry at
it, they are quite literally angry at an idea.
It's hard to hold the politicians accountable.
It's hard to hold the police accountable.
Well, they're just following orders.
Well, the politicians were voted in.
Well, the voters only get to vote once every four years.
So, you end up in this sort of limbo of no accountability at
all. The reality is, the people who
follow the orders, and the people who issued them are
totally responsible 100% for their actions.
See Seeing the state. As an extension of you
drastically decreases. The likelihood.
You will criticize. It's because much like you see
your own child in, you know, the best light ever.
Oh, they could do no wrong. My child would never lie.
You sort of think that about your own government because any
criticism of that government people will assume as a
criticism of them. You think we faked the moon
landing? You're five years older than me.
What do you mean? We, you were not around in 69.
Nor were you a part? NASA.
And that's not an actual conversation.
I had that was me actually watching two guys debate
recently or they'll say you think you think we torture you
think we lie about invading countries the fact that they see
them and the people who rule them as the same is so
incredible that you need something like democracy pushed
through the education system because I mean they would never
do that with any of their able to say.
Say, here are the people who participated and here are the
non-participants. They're the ones who are guilty
of whatever this is, but when it's the state, they take it
personally, you think we were involved in a b and c we would
never do that. You're not part of them.
So yeah, the the ability to blur line between the individual and
the state I think is vital to people justifying State
atrocities and totally ignoring them and having no incentive to
call them out and recognize them as illegitimate.
Yeah, and it gives that illusion.
General consent at that. I mean, rothbard touches on
that. But but it's on its face.
It's just a ridiculous idea. And there's the famous example,
he uses that if we are the state and the state is us than 7
million Jews, didn't die in the Holocaust.
They weren't murdered. They just committed suicide.
Exactly. And right away, you're able to
see but unfortunately, you have to talk about other countries
and then the other country people know about and that
example is Lie, like, you know, National Socialist, Germany or
something like that. So it's unfortunate.
We have limited examples, but when it talks start talking
about King, Leopold people aren't exactly on the same page
with you. But yeah, exactly.
And the national socialist government was elected, whereas,
you know, the Allied Powers Churchill was appointed, Stalin,
wasn't elected and FDR ran four times when he was only supposed
to run to. Yeah.
So I mean, it's not exactly. Once you start pointing that
stuff out. People will recognize.
Well, voting has nothing to do with the legitimacy.
It's the actual actions that they undertake so that again,
very important aspect. Well, and I have an article here
and I know that you have a lot of quotes to that we're going to
touch on, but let me try and pull this up.
Okay. So on the screen now, I you
can't see it. Sorry Keith, but it's an article
on The mises Institute called why vote?
And it's published by Mark. Brantley are he was the author
and it kind of goes through and it smashes some of these common
misconceptions that people have when it comes to voting and It
just strikes me as how when you present the numbers like this
like he does in this article. It really destroys any thought
that your vote matters and so he starts in my recent how to win
an election. I made the point that quote,
your vote doesn't matter given some of the responses to the
statement. I would like to provide further
explanation. Consider what it means to say
your vote, doesn't matter, your vote does matter if it affects
the outcome of the election. In question, how this could
happen depends on the number of votes tallied?
If there is an even number of Voters in a life in an election,
your vote only matters. If it creates a tie in your
candidate, goes on, to win the election.
If, if you didn't vote, your candidate would have lost by one
vote in such a case, because of your vote, your candidates odds
of winning increase from 50% to rough, or from 0% to.
Roughly 50%. On the other hand, if there are
an odd number of votes, voters, your vote matters, if it breaks
the tie that would have occurred without your vote.
In such a case, your candidates odds of winning increase from
about 50% to 100%. Now, here's the kicker.
The chance of either one of these occurrences depends on the
number of Voters in the election among other issues.
Adding this all up the odds of your vote making a difference
are approximately 1 over n, where n is the number of Voters
in the election. Adding to this estimate, in an
election, with 100 million voters, the chance of a single
vote affecting, the outcome of the election would be about one
millionth of one percent. And then he gets into the
Electoral College and there's a bunch more statistics here.
But any anything that jumps out to you Keith?
Yeah, you know, I would love to rub this in the face of the
Michael shermer's of the world and the Neil deGrasse Tyson's
when they say be real, let's use common sense here.
Let's Do Science and then we actually have a scientific
approach that the author gives the Journal of the American
Medical Association confirms Donald Rel demur and Robert
Torres. Re-examined.
The traffic-related deaths during polling hours on election
days compared to the number of Deaths on the two Tuesday's
before and after the election, in the last 30 days, they found
that the election day average. What of 158 deaths to be
eighteen percent higher than the average death rate on the other
days. You are more likely to die going
to the polls. And then you see the ilhan Omar
videos of the ballot harvesting. And it's like, oh gosh.
Well, even if I nail it in and I saved myself from going to the
polls. Well, who knows?
What's Happening Here? So yeah, painting that picture
really brings it to reality so under like no other
circumstance. Would this be legitimate to
quote Jason Brennan in one of the greatest books that I've
read in Philosophy, by the way, we have an anarchist Professor
published by Princeton University.
This guy is terrific. He says the problem with
political decisions isn't that most of us don't get our own
way. It's also that these decisions
are usually imposed on us against our will by threats of
violence. As we practice, it is unjust.
We expose innocent people to high degrees of risk because we
put their fate in the hands of ignorant.
Misinformed irrational bias, and sometimes a moral decision
makers. So when you see that, not a, not
only does it count for your vote count, for very little, it also
is a one-in-a-million vote amongst people who are totally
wrong, totally immoral, and have no justification for their
beliefs. So it's so Discouraging, when
you see people see that as the mechanism, which achieves a
Justified government. Well, in its wrapped up to in
this, I remember, and I've made a point on the podcast so many
times to make the point that America is not a democracy.
And at what point, it's around, the Progressive Era that people
start referring to America as that of the United States as a
democratic country. And we have these Democratic
institutions when it's not. I mean, if it were a democracy
would It'd be one man. One vote on each policy,
correct? Yeah, that would well, you know
democracy is rule by the people I think is like the origin so
that could be determined in. Well, that could be through a
representative determined by the people or directly determined by
them. It's difficult.
But yeah, as far as the main principles and democracy is mass
involvement with the average, Joe not necessarily a good
thing. I don't look at my computer fan,
router microphone cell phone and say God I wish.
Had been a vote on how to make this.
It's like thank God. Only, the best Minds were
involved in this. It was voluntarily funded and I
can opt out and there's competition and private
property. That's how we get, good results.
Not not voting. Yeah, on, I'm nonsense and
introducing what? We need more ignorant, people,
who've done no research on this topic to be involved heavily.
That's the worst thing you can do in vote by emotion in.
I saw it as in terms of like democracy.
In democracy versus republicanism where I understand
republicanism to be a limited government based on a
constitutional system where you vote for Representatives or
representatives are appointed. And so, I see it as existing on
a spectrum where maybe on this side is democracy, and on the
right side is republicanism. And I feel do you feel once?
We got rid of the direct election of senators, or, or how
did that happen? Now, it was when it was the
Appointment of senators, right? Original.
And then we went to a direct election of senators, wasn't it?
Yeah. I hope.
That's right. And then, but so we've just
crept more and more in the direction of democracy, and then
they start using this. And then democracy becomes a
euphemism for everything that's all in good in the world.
And I love challenging people's democracy.
This belief in democracy that they say, without thinking about
it democracy. Is everything good in the world
and I Always say well, okay. So two wolves in the Sheep are
going to vote over. What's for dinner.
I think is the best way that I can put it in.
That doesn't a lot of people haven't heard of that before or
heard that, but yeah, Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn.
Maxwell vote on what to do with Virginia Roberts.
I mean, it's so unjust when you look at it under any other
circumstance, turns out Walmart took a vote and now you have to
work for them indefinitely, but in four years, you'll get a one
in 100 million. Chance at getting out of this
labor, by the way, Walmart counts, the votes.
I mean, it's so ridiculous on its face.
That would just have to take whatever they say for the state
applied to any other organization that I go, what
that's ridiculous. So, yeah, it's good.
That we have truth on our side. I do like this part of the
article where he says, he or he addresses.
If you don't vote, you can't complain.
What they really mean to give them a more favorable.
Explanation of what their emotions are trying to get out
through languages. If you do, not participate, when
you have the ability to participate to participate and
effect change and you actively choose not to do so, you have no
morally Justified recognition or legitimacy in criticizing the
outcome that you chose to not participate in.
How do you respond to that? Well, I like the way that George
Carlin responded to it and this is I think this is the same
point. I wonder if he got it from Judge
Garland or where that that sentiment originated but I
George Carlin is, right? Is that if you did vote you
can't complain. Because either you voted for the
person that brings about this policy or you voted in an
election and therefore passively legitimised it by participating
in it and have the outcome. And what do you I'll propose
this question to you. Are you a Libertarian that
thinks that voting is violence? Or are you against voting on
principle? That it violates the nap or that
I just want your take on that voting is not violence.
If it were violence, I'd be morally justified in shooting,
someone in the head as they go to vote.
I agree. So so I am not morally justified
in doing that. What it does is it introduces a
an amount of legitimacy to the existence of the state of
system? Now, this is also done all the
time. You know, whenever my grandma
says Keith, if the cops ever pull you over you have to do
exactly what they tell you. It's the law I go.
That is where her making that comment in front of 10.
People is worse than voting because it perpetuates the idea
of State legitimacy in the minds of the masses as does saying,
the Pledge as to sing the national anthem as just tuning
into the debates, that get 80 million people watching the
night of. What if no one watched, what if
they throw a A government and no one came and they threw an
election and no one came. Well, yeah, eventually that
those are all things that add to the state's legitimacy.
Voting is not violence, but it, but it is like oh that's what
you participate and kind of kind of thing.
No, it doesn't violate the non-aggression principle.
Is it counterproductive? Look, I'm glad Thomas Massie and
Rand Paul are are in Washington, d.c., I'm glad Ron Paul Ron,
Paul was there as well. I'm glad Louis team McFadden.
Larry McDonald had been there previously.
So yeah, we we are able to get some wins but it's just not that
one of my bigger priorities, because as we mentioned, vote
matters, very little, and it's in a pile of other votes that
cancel you out to the tune of millions from a bunch of other
ignorant people. So one thought that I wanted you
to riff off of throw it your way.
Is that? So one will, I don't want to put
you on the spot, but are you going to vote in this election?
Because I'm undecided personally.
II don't know. No, I'm not.
And that's because well, I don't want to get into it while we're
recording. Yeah, no.
No, I'm not able to I probably wouldn't be able to but yes,
okay, and sorry to put you on the spot, but that's fine.
I have no problem. No problem saying that and I
don't know if I'm going to or not, but some some common things
that I've heard is okay. Well, yes, they're both bad.
But one is not as bad as the other.
What's your thought on that? Yeah, you know, I really don't
pin people for that. I mean sometimes.
Yeah, sometimes you're just buying time.
It's like, all right, would you rather tyranny be here intent?
You. No, Malice.
Has conservatism is progressivism driving the speed
limit, you know, I'd rather have 100 Years of freedom and then
slavery versus, you know, immediate slavery because at
least you had a glorious. Holiday as Hans Hapa likes to
say and even though you know the reality is that when you have a
Republican president, you don't have Democrats saying we need to
stop spending. So spending increases more what
they really want. Is the left or the opposition to
not control the narrative. The president said this people
aren't really worried about what Hilary has to say now because
she didn't win because Trump did win.
Well, he gets the center of attention for the next 4 or
Years. And that is sort of what they're
voting for. I think they love how Trump sort
of hates their enemies and says, to the media.
The media isn't going to report. Keith Knight said that he hates
Chris Cuomo. This is a breaking story.
But they are going to say Trump said this about Cuomo and it's
like, yeah, that's my guy. That's what I've been wanting to
say to Cuomo, and Don Lemon, and all these SOB's who just
constantly lie about us. And when you're getting called
racist non-stop by the media, just for being wider, sex is
forbidden. Being male or let's say you are
seen as even as a moocher by Fox News.
Because you're in undocumented. You're an illegal immigrant.
Well, I could see you wanting something to counteract that.
So I don't blame people for voting for the lesser of two
weevils at all. What about if you vote for the
Third Party candidate? And this case, Joe Jorgensen,
you're taking a vote away from Trump in a lot of cases.
That's what I've heard. Well, Trump, Deserve any bolt.
So the mass murder campaign, that he supports and Yemen.
He is not that alone, but we don't even need to get into the
drug war that that he perpetuates.
And look, man. This is a another case.
For lesser of two weevils. He had the first step act.
I think it's called or Criminal Justice Reform.
He had some good deregulation. I still I still hate him.
I think he's totally evil in his justification, but he does.
It's odd. Thing where he calls out the
military industrial complex, every now and then by name
literally. So he's tough to crack, but I
don't blame people for voting for him.
I don't blame people for saying 100 years from now.
I want the future to know that there were libertarian.
So I'm throwing a chip in for Jorgensen.
Don't blame for that either. Yeah, I like your take and it's
I'm glad I got to talk to you about it too because in a way,
I'm I haven't solidified. My thoughts on this but I you
make really good points. As usual.
But so the other thing is that I'm not necessarily, I think
that like, okay. So if you're going to vote, if
you have to vote, it's probably better to vote in your local
elections, because instead of it being won over 100 million.
It's maybe one over 400. So do you like those odds
better? I mean still abysmal odds, but
yeah, I love going to the meetings and talking.
People. Yeah, just because the fact that
they're that we exist increases, the likelihood that people will
see our ideas as legitimate when you hear something the first
time it's like, oh that's a weird bizarre thing.
But the second third, fourth and fifth time you're like, okay,
this might actually be something that.
I mean, a lot of people believe this, that's what's Loosely
referred to as the social proof principle.
That Robert Shield. He needs a psychologist.
I think he's a psychologist from Arizona State really made
popular. That people will drastically.
Think that something is more valuable, when more people like
it, which, I mean, that's sort of how I choose to buy things.
I didn't eat too much. I didn't, I don't even, I can't
even pronounce the name of this printer right here, but I got it
and it works fine because other people had it and it seemed to
be good. Yeah.
So yeah, I think of just going there and asking libertarian
questions being Apologetic. I'm a Libertarian.
Here's why I'm against the state.
You know, everyone's going to raise their eyebrows at you.
But the fact that anyone knows what a Libertarian is when, you
know, there were 15 and caps in 1963 as I constantly mentioned,
but it's so important to remember how far we've come.
Yeah. I love doing that.
I had Bill Montgomery. Who is the former Attorney
General of Arizona and I got into a nice little fight with
him in a Mitty on, on the drug war and that was fun.
One of one of our friends, who I don't know if he wants me to say
this, but he got into a fight with Bill Montgomery, over civil
asset forfeiture and he chose nice Montgomery goes, well.
Oh God, what I'm glad it wasn't on tape because he wouldn't have
done this if it wasn't on tape. Montgomery was like well, I'm
civil asset forfeiture of that b, that's that's the law, you
know, and and our friend goes, okay.
So you mr. Conservative bible thumper, you
think rights come from government and not God our
creator. It was the first time this
arrogant prick, pause and goes. Well, it's important to find a
balance between our natural rights, and what we, as a
society decide to do. I mean, it was the perfect mind
control MKUltra response that he gave.
But if it's fun to just inject those into the populace and get
to talk to people and see where they're at intellectually.
Yeah. It kind of well, it does kind of
remind me of there was that interview that Bernie Sanders
had, where there's a lot of these interviews and I can't
think of exactly who was interviewing him.
But he didn't helpful. It might have been he pinned
them in. He pinned him in that
intellectual Corner. We're like what gives the police
officer the right to do something that I can't do.
I don't know if it was that the question.
Do you recall so Health Bill? Am I getting yeah.
Jan, hell felt the objectivist. He was like, should the
government. Protect people who want to
forcefully? Take their property and Bernie
saw. I think he saw, what was going
on like right away. He goes.
I want to know who you work for. Well, you're welcome.
I don't know what your angle is here.
It's like, you know what? This is one of the amazing
things where they're like, democracy is about, you know,
you working together and then building up until you get to
your representative. And then you persuade him, you
say, we're I threatened you and throw you out and then he has to
vote the way you do or is incentivized to do so, it's it
really is a red pilling moment. When you're like, alright, I am
with a congressperson. This is the, you know, almost as
high as it gets and he has no interest in answering your
question at all. Zero could not care.
Less Dodges, the question stands up leaves the room and then you
could see off camera, when he thinks they're not recording.
He goes. I want to know who you work for
again and again, And now that it's been 20 years.
He still does the you this is by the Koch brothers.
He still has no principled argument for any of his ideas.
It's always, I associate them with this group.
I attack this group, just by attacking them.
Not even, he doesn't even give us a list of why we should hate
the cokes or anything else. So yeah, that that is the
interview and that that's what one of the great ones along with
is Nancy. Pelosi interview on the minimum
wage. Yeah.
Oh, yeah, we'll have to put if I when I'm going through I'll make
work for myself, but I'll And find that and put it in the show
notes page, but that's like the moment in with the MPC meme
where the eyebrows go down, eyebrows Furrow, see.
Walk them into that, logical corner.
And then, yeah, the eyebrows go down.
So I know that you had some, some things that we were going
to take a look at Keith as well that go on voting.
Any other thoughts. Before we dive into that.
I just want to get into a couple more, Jason Brennan points
there. Now, people know this, but it's
hard to process. So I just want to touch on page
25 of against democracy by Jason Brandon.
He says, I could write an entire book, just documenting how
little, how little voters know. But since many There's have
already done that, all only offer a few examples during
election years. Most citizens cannot identify
any Congressional candidate in their District citizens.
Generally don't know which party controls Congress immediately.
Before the 2004 presidential election, almost 70% of US
citizens were unaware that Congress had added a
prescription drug benefit. To Medicare though.
This was a giant increase to the federal budget and the largest
new entitlement program since President Johnson began the war
on poverty. No one virtually.
No one knew about the troubled asset relief package.
They had heard of bailouts, but they didn't know about it.
They didn't read the bill, which is the whole, which is the whole
idea. Well, you read the bill and then
you criticize it and then your Congressman has to change his
mind. None of that actually happens.
Americans, vastly overestimate how much money is spent on
foreign aid, and so many of them mistakenly believe we can
significantly reduce the budget by cutting foreign aid, 73% of
Americans. Do not Understand what the Cold
War was about 40 percent of Americans, do not know whom the
United States fought in World War Two.
Now, that means, they could probably name the national
socialists in Germany, but not Imperial, Japan, and their
access with Benito. Mussolini.
Let alone could they give a reason, let alone, could they
give how we can avoid this issue in the future?
So it's just so it's so ridiculous.
He get he goes on to say. What voting does is it helps
them root for their team against the hated Rivals?
This is really where the emotion of boating, really comes from
going on to say, some think democracy is valuable.
The way a painting is, we should value it for what it expresses
or symbolizes. So once we've defeated the, you
have a one in 125 million in the presidential election, assuming
they count the votes. Well, what it does, is it
symbolizes? We should think of democracy the
way it Person values a hammer as an end in and of itself.
He goes into that but we need to realize is voting for something
doesn't improve. Its overall quality, just as
there should have been people voting on how to write this
book. No, it's much better that it was
a voluntary monarchy or anarcho-capitalist approach to
writing a book. And then he goes, oh, he ends
with this one politics, threatens an ideal of mutual
respect and regard. So, just as if there was State
religion, would constantly be fighting over, who controls the
state. So your religion isn't imposed
on anyone. We're always going to be
fighting. I don't see it dying down.
I think it's only going to escalate or more or less Plateau
from where it is now because you're always involved in
initiating aggression against peaceful people with your ideas
versus theirs. So we can't put down our swords
just like we do for Religious Freedom when it comes to
economic freedom. And any other aspect of Yeah,
well, I think we accomplished what we set out to do with this
episode. So we've never covered this
before. I don't think on our part.
I'm trying to think back to everything.
II don't think so, either. So, do you have any comments on
Brennan's against democracy? I just got two other things that
I want to read because I don't want to just bash a voting and
then leave people. I got somewhat of a solution
here. Oh good.
Okay. Well, I was going to share this
one thought that I at a certain point in time with the show.
I came across. I convinced myself that it would
be better aside from voting to call your representative in to
tell their office not to do. So I think it's probably a
little more effective than just voting.
But when it looked like we were on the brink of war with Iran
and there were tomahawk missiles being launched.
I called up my Representatives, my representatives in quotes
because Tom Woods has a great piece about what is it the tail
of the slave but Tom Woods. Also had a good one about the
impossibility of political the myth of political
representation, like for instance.
I'm a lawyer when someone Hires me, I have to do what they say.
Yeah, and you know as long as that the representation period
happens, but if you vote for someone and you're in there,
your representative, you know, do they really represent you?
If you have no control over what they do and why do we have the
double standard? Why does true representation
exists all the time in the legal field?
If there's a fiduciary duty or doctors have duties to their So,
why does that just go out the window?
And is it the tail of the slave? We're in which cases?
I guess that's in which case is this person not a slave but
there's a similar one where I don't know if he goes through it
in that one. Is that nowzik?
Yes. Oh no, Zach wrote the tail and
in Anarchy State and Utopia. I'm not sure.
I know that Woods has batch this a number of times in his book
meltdown where he uses the example of Diane.
An Feinstein, he starts a New York Times article got I think
you know, 10,000 calls on. Tarp the bailouts and 97% I
think was the number of people who outright opposed it and she
voted for it and she still there to this day.
Yeah, I mean the idea that oh she's shaking in her boots.
That's just not the reality which doesn't mean it's
inherently illegitimate because in you know, the non political
Realm It's sometimes good that you can't affect what other
people do, the difference. Obviously, as we know is it's
with money and property. You voluntarily acquired so that
the big deal no longer exists. It's your stuff.
Yeah, and why I thought that when I called maybe her staffers
and I've heard this from people before who have worked in
Congressional offices, state, senators and whatnot.
But they say, well, for every person that calls we figured
there's two or three hundred people that feel the same way.
That didn't call or something like that.
So, of course, it doesn't affect the end result.
And I think a few weeks later. I got a letter from my
representatives and it said, well, I certainly something
about. I certainly understand the that
individuals are concerned with with foreign relations.
However, Iran is the number one state sponsor of Terror.
And, you know, so I was like, all right.
Yeah. Sounds great.
Exactly gets it. So they have to simultaneously
say you matter, you should be involved and all this other
stuff. But the reality is is that they
don't have the information on. I don't know, Healthcare
education, the environment technology, the documents of
what's going on in Iran. Saudi Arabia, Russia, China, you
don't know this. And that's okay that you don't
know. That's why the division of labor
is so valuable. In a society where there's
private property free trade and the ability to discriminate and
not associate with people who are behaving poorly.
So it gives them an incentive. Look Marco, Rubio would probably
be a good productive member of society.
If there wasn't this thing, he could occupy and have people
can't think straight but Bodom in and abide by him.
So, of course, he first thing that comes out Trump gets covid
ago, and he any of our adversaries who see this as
Weakness. Well, we will not back down just
because our president is you no ill.
The amazing thing is they've so gas-lit us with regard to
everything else. If there was a legitimate attack
against America for blowback causes, we would have no way of
determining whether or not it was true, anything.
The cia's involved in. I mean, come on, killing Bin
Laden and throwing his body in the ocean.
I mean, Scott Hortons been on my show.
He says, that he has seen More Hirsch, as an accurate Source on
that. But that is the exact thing you
would expect them to do and you know, provide no evidence for
they finally catch us guy. We've been after for 20 years,
even though CNN and ABC were able to get ahold of him, poor
CIA couldn't get a hold of them and then they finally kill them
and throw them in the. It's so it's so ridiculous.
So yeah, you know what? I am actually going to stop
there. I say, we make a second.
On Solutions. Oh, good.
Yeah. Yeah.
And that gives us a reason to do another show and maybe a week or
so, sounds good. Yeah.
All right, happy to see you again, brother.
Yeah, you too, man, and why don't you go through and plug
all the sources. I know I've linked to your show,
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Good to talk to you again brother.
Yeah, you too in before we go my wife and I I'd be remiss if I
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talking to you again. And yeah.
Until next time. Take care, man.
Bye.