Welcome to Keith's night. Don't tread on anyone in the
libertarian Institute. Joining me is Kyle anzalone.
The news editor of the libertarian Institute and the
assistant editor of anti-war.com were going to be discussing the
book enough already time to end the war on terrorism, a
collection of historical events, going back to 1953 with US
military intervention. The book was written by Scott
Horton and the audio book has just come out.
Out links will be in the description below.
Kyle anzalone. Thank you for coming onto a
review. This book with me.
Yeah, no problem. Very happy to be on and to talk
about this book that, of course, maybe, you know, obviously it's
got horns book and everything like that.
But this book, you know, means like a lot to me because I've
been, you know, Skywarn listener for so long, you know, to this
guy Horton Show. And now I work with Scott both
at The Institute and anti-war.com and so, Seeing
Scott put together. This book is just amazing
because it's so concise in. I mean, it's not everything that
gets discussed on the sky horror show.
He didn't put the china-russia stuff in there and under 300
pages are whatever. This is.
I guess it's just that 300 pages, but it's such a fantastic
book. And so I'm really happy to be on
talking with you today about it because I think it does make a
lot of these wars. And what I talk about my show,
And you know what? We were constantly working on
anti war.com accessible to a lot more people if they read this
book. So I want to give you total free
reign on the big six US military interventions since 9/11 since
this explicit start of the war on terror.
What is the most important thing?
People need to know about US military intervention in
Afghanistan? Yeah.
So I guess the first thing I just want to take a second to
say, is that At the first, what, like 50 pages of this book are
sky explaining like the lead-up to Afghanistan.
And these are all things that happened from before when I was
born. And so it's different to learn
about because it's just like a history.
But to me, you know, I mean Buzz, absolutely fantastic.
And there's so much important stuff in there that really will
like a so if anything doesn't sound super familiar, something
like go back and read that because Scott has so many
important details of Happened in there.
But just starting off with Afghanistan, which of course,
is, you know, the first and the global war on terror and
everything like that. I think the most important thing
that Scott writes about, and of course, he has the whole, but
pools are, and that's behind me and everything.
But allowing Osama Bin Laden, or, you know, maybe we have to
like qualify that a little bit. But Osama Bin Laden was able to
escape Afghanistan to Pakistan one.
The Americans knew where he was and there were calls And Scott
highlights this and explains all the calls and efforts made by
different US military commanders and things like that to actually
take out the core group of al-Qaeda.
That was attempting to escape from Afghanistan to Pakistan,
and they were unable to do so, because the Americans were far
more concerned about fighting the Taliban than they were
about. Absolutely, you know, killing
Osama Bin Laden. And so it's just, it's such a
perfect example. Essentially what happens
throughout the entire war on terror.
They constantly don't get distracted with the big prize.
You know, that the Taliban are no threat to the United States
and Iran is no threat to the United States.
And yeah, you know, we highlight and focus our war efforts on,
you know, these people Saddam Hussein, another example of
that. And, you know, at the expense of
allowing the actual few people in the world who really want to
like do damage to America like the Osama Bin Laden's out there.
To escape and run rampant and so, yeah, I just to me.
That's that's the biggest thing because when I was growing up as
a kid Keith, I remember all this b-roll footage.
We would see on TV every night on the news of these Rockets
slamming, into these mountainsides in Afghanistan.
And then it's playing in how we're doing everything we can to
bring the man who perpetrated 9/11 to Justice and it just
wasn't true. The entire were on, were on
their war on terror narrative wasn't true, everything they
told. Wasn't true, they could have
gotten Osama. Bin Laden.
Had, they dedicated all their resources to gain, Osama Bin
Laden. And then the other part of that
course, is the Taliban were willing to hand over Osama Bin
Laden to any Third Country. If they didn't even have to
fight a war in Afghanistan, to hold the man who, you know, was
most responsible, for 911 accountable.
Right? Like we could have just had the
Taliban turn. A over Osama Bin Laden to what
any Third Country? So what you're going to give him
to the UAE or Qatar where there's major US military bases
and they're gonna not give them to the United States.
Come on. We, you know, what were they
say? A third country.
That could even be a NATO member State.
Give them to the UK. Allow them for the u.s.
To like present or extradition evidence in court.
Just like they're doing now with Julian Assange.
And, of course, you know, that's a whole fictitious case, but,
you know, we can extradite people and do from UK to the us
all the time, you know, there, there are legal ways to handle
this, kind of stuff that I actually had a conversation with
their Breaky who's really great and everything from Yahoo
recently. And it's even forgotten on
Libertarians. They go.
How do we do with terrorism, you know, if you commit a crime, if
you kill Americans, there's an American justice system to
handle that and it all could have been handled that way, but
George Bush wanted Wars and he created worse for it.
And briefly explain the motives of Osama bin Laden and Ayman.
Al-zawahri Heroes group Al-Qaeda.
What was their motive for attacking Americans from 93 to
what 2001? Yeah.
So there's a lot of attacks in here.
And in part of this time, Osama Bin Laden's in Sudan, he's not
even in, you know, Afghanistan or anything like that.
They carry out attacks on the USS Cole.
In in Yemen and in bombings of different embassies in Kenya and
Saudi Arabia and elsewhere, but you know the motivation here,
what Osama Bin Laden, you know, whether or not this guy believes
what he's right, like he's the leader.
So if he is just like some more politician who just sees this as
an opportunity to recruit people to his followers, are he
actually believes are two different things, right, but it
doesn't really matter. The point is this is the Message
that Osama Bin Laden, conveyed to give people to kill
themselves in order to do damage to the American Empire or
actually kill Americans, right? And that was that the US after
the Iraq War, they stayed in the holy land and the land of the
whole to holy places Mecca, Medina, Saudi Arabia and
continue to bomb Afghanistan or Iraq, excuse me from there, but
not only after, you know, through the 1990s and the
Clinton presidency. Then see, not only where we
bombing Iraq and destroying the country's infrastructure.
We also had a starvation sanctions campaign against that
country. And so, while the 500,000
number, that's so frequently, cited is inflated.
There were hundreds of thousands like two to three hundred
thousand Iraqi children who end up dead in the 1990s because of
what America did to that country.
And then they were, you know, bombing from Saudi Arabia, which
is just, you know, a adding insult to injury when that
happens. And so, these kind of things
start to radicalize people and start to, you know, want them to
wage a war against America. Also the occupation in the u.s.
Support for Israel of the Palestinian people, is a major
factor here. I think there's one more,
grievance. He has that.
I'm missing. Oh, the bombing of Sudan, they
bombed that. He was some kind of Medicine
facility in Sudan, and, you know, that ends up depriving
people mess and killing a whole bunch of people, but just, you
know, how General us imperialism, worked around the
world where the Muslims got screwed, you know, if you go
back at, there's some great people who point out that.
Like, if you go bad to the after World War 1 World War Two,
America was actually like seen as the the by people in the
Middle East. As like defeating the occupiers
are like surviving like, you know, What happened to Europe
and everything like that, you know, we have freed ourselves
from European Cole, you know, colonialism, right?
And so, actually, the is not like, Muslims, just hate
Americans are America or anything like that.
It's been, you know, the sustained campaigns in the
Middle East, I guess stretching bag from Yonder, overthrow of
the Iranian government and installing the Shah.
And then everything, they happened to Ron after two, but
just, you know, u.s. Mentally in the middle.
You said has allowed Osama Bin Laden to drive so many people to
us causing. You know, it made sense as we've
seen since, right? It's, you know, it's not like
we've been involved in the Middle East, Keith for the past,
what 30 years or so. And the number of terrorist
groups has dwindled. It's absolutely exploded.
And so, what does that tell you? American intervention causes
terrorism. And so yeah, it during the like
ask God's planes in the first chapter of his book is like 50
pages, but he didn't. Plain, all the little things
that America is doing to kill Muslims, you know throughout the
Middle East and how this eventually, you know allows
Osama Bin Laden to gather enough of a following to you know, pull
off a very lucky shot and do carry out 911.
What is the most important information?
People need to know about US. Military intervention in Iraq?
Oh, man, I mean there's so much here.
And, of course, for me, the biggest part, of course, is the
lies. They told us to guess into that
war because I believe tomorrow, you know, I was terrified as a
kid 9/11 happened and they said that, you know, you don't know
what's going to be Ned. So it's going to be a Super Bowl
or a football game or, you know, people that this was stupid but
like I grew up in st. Louis in, like, I was in like,
what fourth or fifth grade and kids in my class were like,
they're going to blow up the st. Louis Arch.
And so like, you know, I was terrified.
And then George Bush was saying things.
Like, you know, we can't allow the The Smoking Gun to be a
mushroom cloud and Osama, Bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein were
going to team up to set off a nuclear bomb are dirty bomb in
the United States. And so, you know, for me, that's
really like the most important thing is just to bunking, all
those lies that, you know, there was never a Cadet connection
between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin, Laden Bin Laden.
The only thing they were able to turn up.
It is evidence that they knew was false that they tortured out
of people but you know, I guess looking back at one of the
things that doesn't get a lot of attention.
Keep that I did want to take a second to highlight on that.
I think is extremely important is the prison camps that the
United States ran in Iraq and the you know, effects that that
had down the line, right? And so these places like Camp
Bucca and the more popularly known Abu You know, the picture
of the guy standing there and like, kind of with his arms
spread out as a hood, over his head, in like a smock, like kind
of a dress looking thing. Like, it's all raggedy and dirty
and stuff. The pictures of the, you know,
the men piled on top of each other.
That is what the US did to our Rocky.
Sunni men after they, you know, moved in and took over the
country and then we're you know somehow confused as to why you
know, these are the people that way.
When you know, they end up getting released from the prison
because, you know, the the US can prove they're guilty of any
crimes. A lot of them were innocent when
they ended up in there, but they end up as American hating
radicals after and all join up, the Islamic State and create all
the globe at that, you know, and we'll talk about Syria a little
bit, so we could get into that, you know, the blow bad thing,
but just how essentially all these American prisons
throughout the Middle East and everything are Jihadi like
universities. You know, networking facility is
right, like you get everybody together, you abuse the hell out
of them, and they all start to hate the Americans that are
abusing them together. And then they all, you know,
become radical violent are, not all of them.
But some of them become radical violent terrorist, it's not,
it's, you know, not hard. That these are predictable
consequences, you know, Isis leader, I'll bed, Daddy was in
Camp Bucca at least maybe Abu ghraib as well.
The suicide bomber that killed a hundred.
Some people are at least You know, South the suicide bombing
leading to event that killed over 100 people at the Abbey
gate in Kabul. This past August was somebody
who was, you know, and I guess involved in terrorism in India
and then somehow the US and the CIA arrest him, and bring them
to Afghanistan and shrug. We don't know how he got
involved with the Isis K Group in Afghanistan, but I'm guessing
it was him being in that prison. So when he got out, he went and
carried out, this suicide bombing that killed 13
Americans, right? Like these things are like
obvious. That's like if you just round up
people and throw them all in camps together and you know,
maybe there are actually some radicals and there is going to
like exacerbate the terrorist problem.
And so yeah these torture prisons and camps that they ran
a rock where are just huge problems that are continuing so
we have the fake justification of 9/11 being a A reason to go
into Iraq. We know this because project for
a New American Century as early as 1998, had written a letter to
Bill Clinton about the need for regime change that.
Basically this guy. He's got nukes.
He's got these chemical weapons. He's never going to give them
up. We have to have sanctions and
there we the sanctions we have aren't working.
So I think we have to move to the next step.
We have the fake Iraqi intelligence meeting with
Mohammed. Atta in Prague that that Still
never happened just like the Paul manafort.
Julian Assange meeting that they are just so Brazen in these lies
that they thought they could get away with with those.
And then there was I think it was Nigerian, uranium that
George Bush said, we know we have an intelligence assets that
have confirmed Saddam is getting yellow cake, uranium from Niger
and then E.o. Wilson writes in the New York
Times to their credit, what I didn't find in Africa and he
refutes the whole thing. What is the likelihood that you
know, you would have caught that random Anonymous piece of
information that someone would have heard it, thought it was
about them. Got it published in the New York
Times. I mean the things that they must
get away with our are just incredible.
What were some other lies besides pray.
Nigerian uranium, was there a specific wmd lie?
Or was it just hinted around? I remember that.
Like, one of the things that I remember from, as being a kid
that time was aluminum tubes, because I knew what aluminum was
like, yellowcake, uranium. What was that?
Right? But aluminum to is, I remember
they always just talk about all these aluminum tubes and they
made it sound like so scary. Like he was going to put some
crazy chemicals in these aluminum tubes.
You use them to kill America and how those aluminum tubes would
ever have gone from Iraq, to the United States, was like things
that I like had no ability to like question at the time
because I was so young. But yeah, but that line
terrified me and of course there was nothing to it.
The chemical weapons one was another one that was big right
at Saddam is working on chemical weapons to Dom is working on
chemical weapons. I want to bring this up because
and I want to say 2012 or 2013. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh
and he goes and we just had a report that they found chemical
weapons in Iraq. I was right all along and so I
went home and I looked it up and you'll what it turned out that
that story actually debunked what Rush Limbaugh like the
whole chemical weapons narrative because what they were saying is
that the chemical weapons that existed in Iraq were held in
stored by the UN Saddam. They didn't have access to him,
never use them or anything. He gave up those chemical
weapons. The only reason they were still
in a rock is for people who know things about chemical weapons,
like, once they sit around for a while.
They could be really difficult to use, especially if like, I
move, especially at the containers, there in are
becoming maybe questionably, like stable are no seal worthy.
I've no idea what the word would be.
But anyway, there's a lot of you like reasons that you wouldn't
want to move. Weapons.
I've been saying in a warehouse for years and years and years.
And so rather than doing that you just leave them in place
until they eventually over time become, you know, less potent
are lose, their poems. He entirely, and things like,
and that's what they were going to do.
And so, yeah, you have like ten years after the war Rush
Limbaugh going. How I was, right?
All along when, actually, that story was debunking the, the
chemical weapons. And so it's it's just amazing.
How many lies they told and how Many lives.
They will continue to tell even if those lines.
Absolutely, you know, our stories about them being wrong,
but you know, they'll stretch the truth and make it up.
Most important information about the Syrian conflict.
Oh man. This is, this is a hard one
because I like Syria is one. These words were Iraq and
Afghanistan again, you know, I was a kid forward, this one.
There are so many things that have driven me crazy about this
war, but I guess the like the Kurdish issue.
Versus the mythical moderates. And this is who the u.s.
Is backing in Syria. And so, Scott has a lot of great
information on the timber Sycamore program in the book and
how the US was backing. The, you know, quote-unquote
mythical moderates, are the moderates, what they called, the
free Syrian Army, which was really just, you know, maybe
there were a couple people who weren't extremists, but, you
know, they were joining up, our had their weapons taken from
them by Al Qaeda and Iraq that have moved over to Syria the
group, led by al-jilani, who was the followers out here, e,
right. That, you know, these are these
are hardcore jihadists that the u.s.
Was backing in Syria. And even in 2012, then Director
of National Intelligence, Michael Flynn signed off on a
memo that said that this program ran the risk of crane and
Islamic caliphate and Syria and Western Iraq, and that's of
course exactly what Happen. And so, you know, the u.s.
Carries out this, massive multi-billion dollar program
years and years and years until 2017 when Trump finally shuts it
off. Of course.
This is run by the the ogre, John Brennan, who spent the
first few years of his time, you know, he was involved in the
bush torture program ends up. Being I call them Obama's ogre
because he kept them in a, the basement running, the Drone
program picking drone targets for the first few years in the
administration. It then becomes CIA director
runs this Timber Sycamore program, Army and backe on these
jihadists in Syria will talk about Libya later by law these
jobs in the weapons that the jihadist got it.
Come from Libya. A lot of them are veterans of
the Iraq War, who fought against the United States killed
Americans in the Iraq War, right?
You know, these are the people that the United States is now
arming and Becky and Syria all because, you know, the slogan
Assad must go. So, of course, you know, this
blows up into the Islamic State. And now we have another idea.
We're guys start arming a back into Syrian Kurds.
And so, you know, especially where I'm like, I think 2014 and
2015 2016. There's a lot of stories about
how the Pentagon bad Kurds are fighting against the CIA betcha
hottest in these crazy, crazy kind of things.
And so then it got so bad. There's these this area in
Northern Syria kind of along the border with turkey like, you
know, 20 or 30 miles into Syria. And there's two towns ones.
Al-bab in the other one is manbij and I can't remember
exactly what side controlled which.
But the US army rangers and special forces were driving
their Humvees with big American flag.
So they put, you know, giant poles with Jain American flags,
on the back and went dry between these two towns were on one
side. There's American CIA Bachelor
house, on the other side, Pentagon bat, Syrian Kurds,
which Not everybody likes to pretend like the Syrian Kurds
are like the, I don't know westerners of the Middle East.
It's just not true. You know, I mean, they had their
own problems carry out war crimes there in the you know
right now because scripting fifteen-year-old girls to go
fight the Islamic State form. So yeah, you know, these people
are in like Democrats or anything like that, right, but,
you know, weird having to drive American forces between the
Sioux two sides. And apparently those like, you
know, Humvees were coming under Fire.
ER, and everything like that because the American bad sides
in Syria, hated each other so much.
And, you know, this isn't I guess like the most important
part of the whole Syrian War, we could talk about the chemical
weapons attack ads and the false floods there and Trump bombing
asada, the opcw and the American influence, but just I guess as
far as the Syrian War goes the part that I just can't help.
But talk about is how the Americans have no.
Sensible policy whatsoever. If it's a rock, we bet the Shia
militias. If it's Syria, we bombed the,
she Emily. Militias, even though the Shia
militias were fighting the Islamic State on both sides of
the Iraq and Syria border, which the Islamic State erased.
And so, it made no sense. We're back in the cards, but
they're fighting the the sunnis that were also backing.
We're back in the cards, but our NATO Ally turkey is bombing
them. The whole thing is absolutely.
Insane. It makes absolutely no sense.
And it's all like was initially started on the policy that we
have to remove Assad from Power because he's some kind of bad
guy. But really, you know, Obama
Obama revealed the truth, in his interview with Jeffrey Goldberg
ways, heads about taking the run down a peg, right?
Like it was never really about Assad.
It was about removing a Ron's Ally in Syria, which happened to
be Assad, but the results of this world look, My insides back
against was against the wall and Isis was advancing on Damascus
where they were going to carry out a genocide against the
alawites and the ethnic minorities of Syria.
Yeah, the the syrians called on the side on the Iranians and the
Iranians organized Shia, militias and help to you know,
along with the Russians turned back at the events of the
Islamic State in Syria. And so, you know what, resulted
that have a rod has far more Power and influence in the
Middle East, particularly Iraq, and Syria than they ever had
before. Because these were the people
that turned out the Islam and state, you know, is kind of, I'm
sure be like World War Two, Germany narrative, where in the
United States, we defeated the Nazis, but everybody, you know
else in the world knows the truth that like the Soviets did
like the bulk of the work, right?
You know, we're going to pretend like it was us that you know, it
was the Americans that feed the Islamic State but really it was
Assad. In Iran and Russia.
Is it was soleimani someone who were played an important factor
in fighting against the Islamic State?
Yeah, absolutely. And as we're like, I think it's
all money was popular in Iran previously, but became largely
popular in the Middle East and, you know, on the second
anniversary of his assassination, just a couple
weeks ago. There were attacks against
American forces in Syria, Iraq, the houthis stole a UAE Boat it
off the coast of Yemen because you know, soleimani was such an
important figure in resisting, the what the Americans are
trying to do in the Middle East, including the you know, leading
to the rise of Isis and feeling like that.
You know Isis was the lesser of two evils versus Assad and at
times, you know, even if Isis was crossing open desert, if
they were moving towards Assad's positions, we had the
opportunity of gamma we didn't because we want it, you know, I
Isis to do more damage to side and all that.
And so yes, old Monty was very important in organizing the
resistance the resistance to Isis, you know, particularly on
the ground from the Shia militias.
And so if you're an alawite a drew shiah that lives in the
Middle East, I'm sure you feel somewhat grateful to soleimani
because had the other side won this war, you would be dead or
to place displays from your home.
Like, you know why? I like I've talked to Operations
forces who are on the ground in Syria, the things that they told
me that Isis did to people who are refused to convert.
I mean, you know, we see some of the videos that they showed
online and all that. They're absolutely horrific.
But some of the things they did to people who refuse just to
convert, right? Like, you know, you're you're
the wrong kind of Muslim for the Islamic State and so, you know,
you're gonna die. This is kind of the situation,
right? And so the fat that soleimani
and the Iranians turned them back is absolutely huge.
I will mention that it on the Iraqi side.
It wasn't just soleimani. There's another guy all Mohandas
who was also assassinated along with soleimani and his death is
also very significant for the, the Shia militias in Iraq.
One more thing on the on the cruelty of the Islamic State.
And I think this ties into the stud things, I was saying with
the prisons and that the u.s. Was Ryan and Iraq earlier, one
of the things that the Islamic State.
Really did, is they replicated? What the United States?
Did people, you know, dressing them in orange jumpsuits,
putting them in stress positions.
And I don't know about waterboarding, but different
things that the Americans did to torture.
People in Guantanamo Bay and blad sites around the world.
The Islamic State did that to their Western captives, you
know, while they held territory. So like, you know, James Foley
and all those people. You don't suffered that way in
part because of what did Cheney and George Bush did to other
innocent Muslims. And any, any other information
you have on, either of the very flimsy evidence based chemical
attacks, but one under Biden and 100 Trump.
If I remember correctly, one under applied it to our trunk.
I'm sorry. So I think the first.
Yeah. Yeah.
So the first 1, 2013 Eastern ghouta, there is a chemical.
I see Aaron chemicals, weapons attack, they kills.
I think between like sits under and 1500 people, depending on
whose numbers you're reading initially.
This is blamed on the Syrian government later.
There is a really good report by fyodor, postal who works at MIT
a literal rocket scientist who goes and shows that because of
where this rocket landed, we know that it could have, you
know, fired from xrange, stats range, right?
You could look at a rock. Okay, and you can see that like
it could only fly so far. And so then you could draw like
a circle and say like, well, it was fired from inside this range
and it turns out all that rage range was territory held by the
Syrian opposition. And so it's very clear that
Assad did not carry out that attack.
Now, that Ted did have important consequences because, you know,
even though we know that Theodore postal did bunted, it
table took a long time to happen and It's not accepted in the
mainstream media, really, you know, why me, if you're on CNN,
you could say aside, carried out, chemical weapons attacks in
Eastern ghouta. And in nobody's gonna question
it, right? But so Obama had drawn a red
wine, whatever the hell that means on chemical weapons saying
that. Well for side uses chemical
weapons. I'm going to do something about
it. And so this happened and
everybody was saying Obama, you got to do something because
Assad used chemical at even though that wasn't true, Obama
was being in a reality that it was true.
And so Putin helped, negotiate a deal with Assad to take and
destroy all of Syria's chemical weapons.
And, you know, will Porter the co-host of my show a great dude.
Like one of my best friends will Porter has done an excellent
job, you know, reading all the opcw reports, including the ones
in, Arabic contacting the opcw and then sensually ensuring that
the opcw You was comfortable that there were no chemical
weapons in Syria. And that there were a couple
sites where I get the guess they left a few things but it was
more a result of it. Just because conflict was going
on. You know, I mean, you don't want
to move, chemical, weapons, through Damascus.
If there's a possibility that like a mortar could hit the
truck, right? And so these kind of, I guess,
where some of the decisions going on, in fact, that Trump,
bombed, one of the sites that the opcw has Had said that, you
know, they have fully cleared or something like that.
But anyways, you know as Ray McGovern always says, Putin
essentially pulled Obama's chestnuts out of the fire here,
because Obama was in a position where he essentially have put
him on his back against the wall, saying that he would go to
war with Assad, but nobody wanted to do that in the United
States. And so by Putin orchestrating,
the stealing got the chemical weapons out of Syria.
Now, then, this Nets. On Khan shaykhun is in 2017.
And there was a little like concrete building and conscious
a coup in Syria that was hit with a Syrian air strike that
the Russians notified the Americans of before the air
strike was carried out Syria says, and I think it's the case
that it was a conventional weapon that they use and the
strike hit a meeting of al-Qaeda leadership.
What happened? And afterwards is underneath
they. So one of the ways that I'll
kind of, when they have territory.
They control the population is they control all the vital
resources and in a war zone, you know, that that's not just food
its food. It's medicine, its Cleaning
Supply. So bleach.
No ammonia is fertilizer in some of his phosphorus base.
Its weapons explosives and all that.
So when the strike hits the building, apparently all that.
In the basement and there's good reporting by Seymour Hersh on
this at the London review of buds, and they look at the
places where the alleged Rockets hit versus, you know, where this
building was and you know, the wind direction and everything
like that. And it's pretty clear that what
happened here was that people did die, from whatever
substances were released from that, burning building, but at
the same time that isn't like they They dropped a serum bomb
on contrary Coon or I think even intentionally did this again.
The Americans were notified of the strike.
And then the third, major one was Duma in 2019.
This is an area outside of Damascus.
Initially its reported that it was fair and there's no evidence
at all anywhere. Any soil samples anything that's
Aaron was used in douma at all. No, proof of that.
Now they allege that was a chlorine attack.
Act. And that's because in a war
zone, you know, there's bleach right?
It different places, your disinfecting things in different
places. So they find bleach or chlorine
in the soil. It's not clear that the the soil
samples that were taken that there was any kind of
weaponized, chlorine all say they find, our are traces of
chlorine. So again, it could have been
bleach or any kind of household cleaner in some soil.
They also have a couple canisters that they say, you
know, one land. It on a bed, one landed in a
building and they have a whole bunch of dead bodies.
Right. But none of the actual evidence
and are mate who writes that the greys on a grey Zone and on his
own subset because done the absolute best work on this
explaining how basically, what happens is that there's a lot of
bombing going on in douma, because this is an area helped
by the Syrian opposition and snipers.
And, you know, Other militants are carrying out mortar strikes
into the rest of downtown Damascus from Duma.
So, you know, the Syrian government is trying to retake
this territory. It's held by a Saudi batch
group. That's a salafist group.
It's not Isis, maybe but you know, they're certainly very,
very far-right, conservative islamist, right?
And and, you know, they're fighting against the Syrian
government and they're carrying out heavy bombing.
And so it's very Very dusty and people start showing up to the
hospital, not being able to breathe really.
Well. Some guy comes out and starts
yelling gasps gasps, gasps gasps gasps.
And so, everybody just goes into mode and in starts treating it
like you would guess because you just dump water on people.
It's like, you know, low-cost like I did thing and that pretty
much is where the the whole story stems from.
And so, you know, it's a little bit different where 2013 was a
natural false flag. 2017 is a distorted.
Then this one is just a invented story, you know, the best
evidence they have is the CNN lady, sniffing the backpack on
it, smells like bleach to me. Which is absolutely nothing, you
know, like, here's some chemical weapons.
Please put your face into it and sniff it and that's what the CNN
lady does. Yeah, so all the chemical
weapons attacks were Fates are tied.
I actually carried out by a side.
Are you familiar with the current national security
advisor? Jake Sullivan, sending an email
to the Clinton campaign about a q.
Can you explain that email briefly just to finish off this
area? Just going we're probably going
back to like 2012 here, one solvent, sends this email and I
think we get it from maybe the week.
He leads her, maybe the Leopold releases.
But you know, this is from Hillary Clinton's emails and one
of her advisers is the current national security advisor, Jake
Sullivan, and he says a queue is on our side.
In this one boss, referring to the Syrian war and if that
afterwards, Hillary Clinton gives an interview where she
talks about the fact that you know, it's really hard.
To back aside and Syria because you know, Al Qaeda is fighting
against Assad and do we want to take out kinda side in this
fight. And you know, that is what the
Americans were doing in Syria. But yeah, even the Hillary
Clinton emails absolutely show. That's the case.
Again. You have the Clinton emails.
You have Flynn's Dia memo. And also once he become
Secretary of State after Clinton, John Kerry is on a
couple of recorder calls where he's talking about how the
United States. Why did Syria with weapons and
alls? It did as healthy as long as the
state and jeez, I forgot the other one.
I was got mentioned but basically carry was just oh he
was talking about how the United States thought that they could
control Isis and lead to the chaotic collapse of the Syrian
government. Next.
We have the Libyan conflict. What is the most important
aspects of the US? Military intervention in Libya?
Bia that people should know about.
Yeah, so I guess it started off with they lied us into this war
to very important Point. There's a couple of ways this
happened. The first is that they claimed
that Gaddafi was essentially going to carry out a genocide in
eastern Libya that after. So the Arab Spring happens in
neighboring. Tunisia Uprising also happens in
Libya and a big part of the uprising in Libya is militants
called, the Libyan Islamic. Fighting group.
I believe a LIF G. Okay.
Great. Great, great.
Who I almost missed it up with Tigre.
The tig right people's Liberation Front.
So anyways, yeah. So yeah, the the in these are
basically the al-Qaeda guys in Libya and some of them veterans
from Iraq war to who fought against the Americans there and
everything, right? And so they take some control of
a couple cities, including Benghazi and everything like
that. So Gaddafi puts, His army
together and they they go off and they start, you know, taking
bath the territory from the, the, the jihadist.
And so I think the Americans were saying things like Gaddafi
was going to go in and kill every man, woman and child,
which he took that territory and that didn't happen now.
Well, I mean, he's a, he's a little, an African dictator and
it's War, like, you know, people die, it's not, I'm not trying to
like make excuses for Or anything like that, but at the
same time, it's not like the Americans would say like we
committed genocide in Fallujah any of the times that we, you
know, cleared that place a militants.
And so, I think there's a lot of room between what the Americans
say happen. Why actually happened, which was
Gaddafi take it back, civilians died, of course, but they also
claim things like the Americans were are the the Gaddafi was
giving his army by Agra so they can rape more in you.
No, it's the old, you know, level of babies on Bandits level
of like stupid evil War propaganda that they were
carrying out. There's plenty of reason to
believe that you know, the war didn't need to happen.
Yeah. Gaddafi would take him back and
do from Benghazi from the militants.
I'm sure civilians would died in that, but I mean, a Libya has
been nightmare after and predictably.
So a couple things from, I guess, you know, before the US
starts bombing, you know, the There's debate around it in the
United States. One of the reasons people are
saying don't do it, please for the love of God don't do it is
that you know, Libya's kind of a fictitious country.
It's a massive State on the Mediterranean but stretches well
into, you know, that the desert there and the aquifers are in
the South and it takes a kind of careful balancing maneuver to
make Libya one somewhat stable country in there.
There's a big divide between the East and the west and this is We
been proven in the ten years since Gaddafi has been removed
from Power, because there's still several governments.
You can't even say to there's several different, you know,
governments and power factions and everything like that.
Including you know, one of the people that was supposed to run
for president in the Libyan elections that were supposed to
be last month and got canceled. Was this man sieep.
I'll Islam. Who is the son of moammar
gadhafi in was I think likely to be this assessment?
Should Gaddafi have remained in power but he was even willing to
essentially depose his father and essentially just take over
the throne his father's throne in Tripoli and allow, you know
that to be the situation and to just move on from Gaddafi and
everything like that. And on, unfortunately that the
u.s. Decided that it was better to
bomb Gaddafi out of power. Then to actually, you know, try
to allow Libya to have its own. Position you don't Libya was
supposed to be a very big win for the Obama Hearts.
Hillary Clinton a Marie Slaughter and I think Michele
Flournoy was on that one say I'm power all these people really
want this war. Now, of course, it turned into
the absolute humanitarian catastrophe, that was
predictable. And we also have information
here from Hillary Clinton's emails.
This from Sidney Blumenthal to Hillary Clinton explaining that
there was going to Likely be genocides against the black
population of Libya, you know, it's a it's a split contrary.
There's a lot of Arabs there, the Liz, Libyan, Islamic
fighting group. Obviously, that's that's Islam
at. Those are Arabs.
And so there's a village or a town called tárrega in Libya,
30,000 people. It's made up of tour rags and
ethnic minority that Gaddafi imported into Libya to, you
know, migrant work and working his security forces and
Everything like that no longer exists the own, they're all
either dead or chased off to Molly were another war broke out
because of this war which you probably won't have time to talk
about today buzz, you know, very significant.
But anyways, yeah, so there is, I guess really no no state in
Libya without moammar gadhafi, right?
And that that's absolutely been proven true.
And, you know, we are warning about genocide in that actually
not I like full genocide of the Libyan population, but of some
targeted ethnic minorities and love.
Yeah, they were absolutely completely removed from the
country because the US intervention.
So yeah. Well, I don't know if you guys
think else on Libya, you want to ask.
No. I just wanted people to know
that the the Viagra story was actually mentioned by Wolf
Blitzer on CN. N-- I mean the the fake news
that they're so terrified. Alex Jones might be Telling
people someday in the future that could rile up.
Someone crazy. They explicitly go forward with
just unapologetically. No one gets fired.
No one gets their accounts removed.
It's, it's just so so Brazen. And, and in your face when you
come back to you want, let's just stay on that real quick.
So, you know what? As predictable, you know, the
humanitarian consequences in Libya were absolutely.
Awful, but one of the things that happened was slave markets
and you know, chattel slavery, like selling people at markets
to go do forced labor, you know in Libya and it's just
absolutely crazy. Right, you know, all these
people again, who weren't a false news and the rise of trump
and everything like that. It was their fake news that led
to the rise of slave markets and Libya.
And, you know, this is like the greatest wet dream of any clams.
Women that it, you know, could possibly exist it.
If Trump really was the Grand Wizard and he could reinstall
the selling of black people in a country, but it was Obama and
CNM that did it right like that. The disconnect there between
know what actually happens and what they claimed are worried
about is absolutely unbelievable.
They create almost all the crisis.
They're constantly worried about and just to talk on this point a
little bit more. So, you've had, I don't know if
it's actually a million, but hundreds of thousands of people
died in the past 10 years attempting to cross from Libya
into Europe. Right?
And so, you have the Democrats in the United States who are
constantly crying about immigration, and how cruel the
Republicans are because they won't let people in and in all
this, right? And yet, they just let hundreds
of thousands of people drowned in the Mediterranean Sea.
Because of their own war in Libya and that is so like, you
know, I don't know if anybody was actually predicting that,
there would be slave markets in Libya after Obama's War there.
But people were predicting that there will be a major Refugee
crisis and as a Ramsey, brood points out.
He's a writer and weary. Praise working anti-war.com.
He has one of the best articles I've read in 2021 was Ramses and
he points out that Afghans drowning.
And throughout the entire Obama administration.
Trying to cross from Libya into Europe.
None of them. Care number.
Oh, the poor Afghans. We have to say third, nothing.
You don't. Why?
Because they were fleeing from the Taliban and so are not for
excuse me. They were fleeing from the
American war not from the Taliban.
And so if they end up in the west, there's no political
benefit for the war mongers to have them there.
But if you have Afghans who are fleeing the Taliban, well, then,
you know, those are people who if there's a new government in
Afghanistan. If they could go back to their
home and so us intervention, you know, this is the small sliver
of Afghans, who the the US intervention benefits, are the
ones that we want in the United States.
That way, they could be a community that advocates for
war. But the actual refugees who
spent 20 years fleeing America's Wars have died all over the
world. They drowned in the English
Channel. They drowned in the
Mediterranean Sea, they drowned off the coast of Morocco, trying
to make it into Spain. And nobody has said that goddamn
word about them. M.
Because of they made it into the West.
They wouldn't have a, the political message that the
warmongers want. And it just it really pisses me
off most important information about the US military
intervention in Yemen. So this is, this is one of the
words I'm most passionate about keeping, you know, has because
of sky and, you know, listening to his show that I knew how bad
Yemen was going to be before. Not as bad as it is now.
And so now know it's hard for me to pick like a most important
thing. But Scott really highlights and
always homes in, on the fat that so what you happened in Yemen,
like go back to 2011. You had Ali Abdullah Saleh who
have been the ruler of Yemen since 1990.
It has major protest, rise up against him during the Arab
Spring assassination attempt. He has to leave the country.
Tree to get medical care. So he's effectively deposed the
u.s. Organizes a one-man election.
Hillary could put together a one man of Legend called it an
election and put Solace number 2.
Hotty into power. Now, Yemen's a very complicated
country and I don't think how do you ever like had a whole lot of
actual Authority in Yemen, as far as like where his political
faction is from and all that but You know, he does get into year
mandate and basically takes that two-year mandate and goes and
picks a fight with his group of the north called the houthis,
the houthis, you know, feel more than capable of taking on the
less powerful hottie central government and actually win the
war and take over the capital city.
It's not they didn't start the war the, the central government
did, but they wanted, they also after Sala recovered from his
assassination attempt in return. Ernst examine, he joins up with
the houthis and so, you know, Yemen's not the United States,
right? When Joe Biden became president
on January twentieth, twenty twenty twenty one that the
military is instantly. He's the commander-in-chief,
right, you know the floor done, it division doesn't go off with
Trump. Well, you know that happens in
Yemen. Were a good chunk of The Army
Goes. Awry Lee's to Salah side because
you know, they don't care about Hillary Clinton's one man
election like, you know, Solace there.
Leader. And so yeah, the the houthis
take over the country. And what does the United States
do? Right after the houthis, take
over? They start working with the
houthis to Target aqap in Yemen. In, this is reported in the Wall
Street Journal and I believe the New York Times and in both cases
is very clear and there's an article in foreign policy about
Lloyd Austin, the current Secretary of Defense, who was
absolutely and we'll talk about this.
This like so upset with the u.s. Switching sides away from the
houthis that he almost were a letter to Obama about it.
But anyways, it's very clear that the u.s.
Was more than willing to work with the houthis.
But then the houthis take more and more territory more and more
power, and the Saudis get uncomfortable and they have a
new. Deputy new defense minister
named Mohammed bin Salman, who is now the Crown Prince and de
facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, but he sees a New opportunity in
2015 to launch, what he thinks will be a very easy War to
remove the houthis from power and reinstall, a hottie to to
control in Yemen and it just doesn't doesn't happen.
And so when the Saudis decide that they're going to wage a war
against the houthis, the mayor Kane's instantly switch sides in
the war. They no longer bad.
The houthis. They start bagging, the Saudi
attack ads against the houthis. But even worse, the Saudis and
their emirati Partners in Yemen on the ground, in Yemen star,
backing in 18 aqap and D Islamic State patch and in Yemen against
the houthis. And so the United States
completely switch sides in this war and it's just absolutely
unbelievable. That, you know, like essentially
all the wars that happened and the post-obama years that you
know, they flip from the Americans fighting.
It's the terrorists to fighting for the terrorist, right?
You know, Libya we're fighting a war against Gaddafi.
But who does it benefit? You love the Libyan Islamic
fighting group in Syria were dreadfully, supporting the
terrorist. There's absolutely no question
about nobody even even complains about it and is, you know,
explicitly done so because, you know, the terrorists are
apparently better than Assad, which is completely absurd.
And then gammons, the other example, were, you know, we back
the, the side, opposing the He's who are the main enemies of Al
Qaeda and Isis in Yemen, and then the our allies in Yemen the
Saudis and the emiratis explicitly bat them fun them.
Just this past. Couple weeks.
There's a couple areas and Central.
Yemen one is the Marie Province. The other one is a Shop La
Provence the houthis were making progress in both marine and
Shop. Wha and then the UAE has this
group of 15,000 salafis? These are, you know, the
hardcore maybe not like Osama, Bin Laden worshippers, but
certainly fighting violent, Islamic extremist, right 15,000
of them. They deploy them to shaba.
They take territory back from the houthi, right?
Like still even to this day. The American side in this war is
backing the most Islamic extremist faction.
Against the side that has more than happy to work with the
Americans to kill them. It's absolutely unbelievable.
And then, finally most important information about intervention
in Somalia. Yeah.
So I mean, there's a lot here in this is, you know, one the, the
parts in the book, where I think Scott has a real, what's the
libertarian term comparative advantage?
Where it's not, like, Scott knows as much about Somalia as
he's does Afghanistan, but he knows more about Somalia then,
essentially anybody else in the US and really understands like
the 20 year history. 30-year history of the US intervention
in is am in Somalia, going all the way back to, like, the Black
Hawk Down incident, which to me was just a Hollywood movie
growing up, right? So, yeah, definitely check out
the Somalia chapter of this book.
I guess the part that I dad's most interesting to me and I
think maybe has The most significance at the moment is
in. So, like, there's this period in
Somalia after the government collapses, right?
Where you have Warlords, controlling everything and then
it kind of involves into this semi Anarchist quasi-government
called, the Islamic courts Union.
It's a group of 13 Islamic groups in Somalia.
They essentially set up some kind of system.
To allow some kind of like justice to happen.
Right? Like there's some kind of court
system now, is it probably the greatest like most liberal
justice system in the world? No, but if there is a standard
of Justice where like if somebody comes and steals 3 of
your sheep, like you have somewhere to go to get some kind
of restitution, that is going to create a more Civil Society than
if your only option is essentially to go like, try to
steal your Get back or like, you know, kidnap your neighbor's kid
and hold them at Ransom. Right?
Like, you know, these are kind of the two situations and so the
Islamic courts, Union was bring some stability, some progress on
recovery to Somalia. And then the United States bat
and Ethiopian invasion of Somalia.
And at the time, the group in control of Ethiopia was the the
two grains. And now there are part of the
teepee LF the to Greg ins people's liberation.
Prime, which is at war with the Ethiopian government right now.
And I think that the US has been pretty favorable and push The
Narrative of the two grains, quite a bit throughout that
conflict and in part because, you know, the, the TPL f is like
a proxy force of the US, where, you know, if they're if we have
a sock puppet in charge in Ethiopia, which is the second.
Most populous, African country, massive military.
Three right now, the guy bunch of drones and everything like
that. But, you know, back when the US
was back in them. They had Advanced military
equipment to then this could be deployed to the region to squash
different groups and Americans won't care.
Right? Like if the if the Ethiopians
invade and are killing the somalis Keith, what chance do
you think I have of convincing? Any kind of nor me to listen to
anything? I have to say about that.
If it's the American strapping bombs on Somalia, if American
soldiers are dying in, Then Americans will definitely care.
And so, yeah, the the US has used the TPL f as a proxy force
in Somalia and the past and quashed the the one real effort
in the past couple decades that Somalia had towards establishing
a more functioning society that, you know, actually exist.
Now, one other thing, I want to mention and I don't think this
is in scotsblog. I didn't have a chance to re
skim through this, my We part, but the less edit of the book.
I read before Scott published. The final copy didn't have this
in there in 2016. The u.s.
Actually tried to wage a counterinsurgency effort, a new
car Insurgency, effort in Somalia, and they tried to take
over this town bra re from the the al-shabaab, which after the
Ethiopian intervention in in Somalia.
They crushed the Islamic courts Union.
And Only one group of the Islamic courts Union survived,
and that was, I'll shabaab, which has become, you know, the
violent group. They publicly swear allegiance
to Al-Qaeda all the, I think it's kind of a miss miss.
No, Bert to say like, this is an Al qaeda-linked group as if
they're going to like, carry out an attack against the west or
something like that. You'll know, Target a US
military personnel in neighboring Kenya, but, you
know, they're not crossing the Atlantic, right?
So anyways, As the u.s. Tries to wage this counter
Insurgency against al-shabaab, and in doing so.
They partner with different branches of the Somali Special
Forces and everything like that. The Somali Special Forces for
whatever reason, showed up to town and executed 10 civilians,
the netsuite. Somebody from that town drove a
massive like, multi thousand-pound bomb, attempted
to get into the area of Somalia. That is like, duh.
Bad, dad green zone, where like the international embassies and
all that are was unable to do. So, but along that road is, were
all the refugees into displaced people in Somalia were living.
And so he detonated the bomb there, causing the biggest
terrorist attack in African history.
And I believe this is October of 2016 that this attack happens.
Killing over 600 people. And they just have no idea how
many people died because, you know, there's just refugees on
this island side of the road that were obliterated by the
bomb. Blast.
But you know, this is just another example of how, you
know, American blowback rates terrorism, and all that.
The book is enough already time to end the war on terrorism.
Kyle. Where is the best place to find
your collection of contributions?
Of the libertarian Institute is probably the best place for
that. Which is probably the best place
to buy fools Fool's, errand, and enough already.
And you're coming book. Hope I say that if not, you
could just said it out, but Scott tells me about it.
So I assume it's cool to say, let's see.
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