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Welcome to Keith knight. 
Don't tread on anyone, any 

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libertarian institute. 
Today I am joined by Kyle 

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Anzalone, the news editor at the
Libertarian Institute. 

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Check out his show conflicts of 
interest. 

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Links will be in the description
below. 

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Kyle, you have such a terrific 
archive of work. 

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You not only publish news items,
you have articles, you have 

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podcast videos. 
If someone wants to get an 

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introduction to your work, is 
there a podcast, an article, a 

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video that you recommend them 
to? 

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I would just say, like, you 
probably won't listen to a 

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couple episodes of my show cause
I do like a news based show. 

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And so it's all like, you know, 
it's just what's happening in 

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the world today. 
So it's hard to like point to an

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episode where I really talk 
about libertarian foreign policy

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because that's not what I do. 
I just want to talk about the 

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news. 
I'm a libertarian and so 

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everything is through the 
perspective of 

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libertarianantiwar.com and 
everything like that. 

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But yeah, cover news. 
So if you want to check out why 

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I do, just check out a couple of
articles once you start to read.

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Then you'll you'll pick out 
what's happening in the world 

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real quick, and hopefully you 
like it. 

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So when I watch the news, I get 
a lot of hubris from the 

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political class. 
It's a lot of, you know, hey, we

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might have to take on China and 
we also might have to take on 

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Russia. 
So she and Putin better watch 

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out. 
So I came across this article. 

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This goes back to right after 
the Afghanistan pull out. 

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This is in mid 2021, the 
articles titled Our Greatest 

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Strength is Liberty, not force. 
By a guy named Jeffrey Warnick. 

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Linked to the description linked
to the article will be in the 

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description below. 
Kyle, I wanna walk through this 

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article almost a a couple of 
sentences at a time. 

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I will start us off. 
Let me know what you would like 

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to expand on and what people 
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they really want to get a grip 
on having a proper understanding

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of foreign policy articles. 
I mean, the most important 

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science is the first one, so go 
ahead. 

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Our failure in foreign policy is
bipartisan. 

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Yeah. 
So this is, this is the most 

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important like lens, I think to 
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through is that it's not that 
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Republicans are mean. 
They don't care about human life

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or the racist or things like 
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The foreign policy is 100% 
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consistency with foreign policy 
is that every time the 

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Presidency changes hands, the 
new president seems to get more 

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hawkish. 
And so, you know, they of course

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like when Barack Obama. 
Was running for president. 

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He was running against George 
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The war in Iraq and was, you 
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And there were a lot of people 
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who jumped on the Barack Obama 
bandwagon because, you know, it,

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it sounded good. 
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opened up the drone office and 
just let. 

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Bush's torture Ogre, John 
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what? 
Whoever he wanted from some 

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troll office in the bottom of 
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They had these meetings called 
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You know, he went if Bush had 
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Afghanistan in the Middle East, 
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But by the time Obama leaves 
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Libya, Somalia. 
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the US interventions across the 
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then. 
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Donald Trump, of course you know
he ran on, ohh maybe I could get

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along with Donald Trump or not 
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And of course the narrative 
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Ohh Putin or Trump is Putin's 
puppet and everything like this.

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Well the the reality is, is that
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Obama refused to take. 
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he was willing to give the 
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them weapons, he really 
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You know, Obama started the 
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It's not like Obama was weak on 
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targeting trying to encircle 
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Trump just ramped that up and 
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And now Biden has gone 
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you know, the time Tom was 3 by 
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while on China policy. 
Joe Biden's kind of ripping that

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up and moving completely away 
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One census of 1 China and you 
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relationship with Taiwan, will 
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But you know, Taiwan isn't 
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ally, which is what the US is 
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We're not supposed to recognize 
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independence. 
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China and Taiwan are part of a 
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This is enshrined law, U.S. 
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pledging that he will go to war 
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On the ground in Taiwan to to go
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look at the the votes on a lot 
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I mean, now that Biden's in 
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much just Rand Paul and Thomas 
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Maybe you get some of these 
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Matt Gates, Nancy Mace, Josh 
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I'm sure I'm leaving off a 
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Green, even Laura Bobert isn't 
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part, you know, you know, 
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and the Democrat side is bad. 
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think there was a little bit. 
More interest from the the squad

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types and Barbara Lee and 
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president. 
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at all. 
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always escalating every 
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dominance over every sector of 
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foreign policy. 
And I mean, I mean good thing. 

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This article is short, Keith. 
I just tell the people to read 

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this first sentence, but it's a 
very short, punchy article, so I

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recommend reading the whole 
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This is fantastic. 
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It fails to recognize that the 
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work. 
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no American empire. 
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evil is no longer effective. 
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relationships with Russia and 
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Our economy is no longer the 
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It has competition, and we no 
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Before getting into the currency
aspect, what do people need to 

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know? 
About the war with Russia, a 

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potential war with Russia and 
what are some bullet points 

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about a potential war with 
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Well, I, you know, I just wanna 
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This was written over a year 
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And so he accurately predicts 
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isolate Russia from the rest of 
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That's not the case at all. 
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missed this. 
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the Shanghai Cooperation 
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This is a Chinese. 
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has 14 countries that make up 
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1/4 of the world world's 
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And Turkey, a NATO member is 
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in this President Putin attended
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He met with Chinese President 
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And so we could see that like 
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they are meeting with major. 
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they've maintained a 
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NATO partner throughout this. 
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condemned Russia here. 
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trend in Latin America, Russia's
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expanding its relationships. 
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governments in Peru and Colombia
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just, you know, being 
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yeah I mean I think that like 
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important also you know, this 
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middle of the downfall of the 
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it is, you know, a really great 
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it says, you know, we can't 
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And that's exactly what we 
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If there was a, if there was a 
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people that you would be able to
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It's the most advanced. 
Military in the world and one of

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the like least developed people 
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You would assume with that you 
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subservience and we we obviously
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we we come, we go. 
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what do you know so. 
That's a lot. 

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Now what Russia and China like 
what what were you asking for, 

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Keith, when it comes to Russia 
give us a couple bullet points. 

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There was a coup in 2014. 
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there to today. 
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down in summarize, yeah. 
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been very corrupt state. 
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are you know upset with the 
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happens is very militant 
neo-Nazi elements get very 

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involved in essentially hijacked
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There's the leader of the C-14 
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14 words of the white 
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Like these people are a bow. 
Neo Nazis, not, you know, I'm 

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labeling some guy who votes 
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this. 
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believe in white supremacy, that
the Hitler message and all that 

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ugly, ugly stuff. 
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And so he's saying that, look, 
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gay pride protest if it wasn't 
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We overthrew the government. 
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You're only 10%. 
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10%, you could, you know, change
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And so with that group taking 
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white supremacists, they're 
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a good portion of Ukraine is 
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ethnically Russian. 
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the. 
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think it's in 2015, the burning 
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where there is a bunch of 
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these neo-Nazi elements set fire
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And so then you have the Crimean
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republics, a Don Esque and 
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These are regions of Ukraine. 
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and Crimea votes to join Russia 
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Russia takes over the Crimean 
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There's not like battles or 
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Ukrainian military, they're just
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Donbass. 
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Ukraine tries to take it back. 
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engaging in this terror war 
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aligned groups, the Azov 
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into the Ukrainian National 
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in the Donbass. 
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long kind of frozen conflict. 
And this brings us to 20. 22022 

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in February, when the the 
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ceasefire agreement, the Minsk 
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fighting on on a pretty low 
simmer, was completely abandoned

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by Ukraine and its Western 
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pointed out, and I believe in 
Cato, and the article was 

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definitely published on 
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I remember the date he said 
that, you know, we have made 

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Ukraine a de facto NATO member. 
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going on Russia let's to invade 
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seven month long fight and I 
guess the base development Keith

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really in the whole world 
happened just this week with 

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Russia and had seen four regions
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Republics I referred to earlier 
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southern republics and you know 
they they did this with the vote

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but of course you can't hold an 
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So that part is kind of a. 
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Thinly guised in democracy is I 
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Ukrainian territory with that 
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America. 
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say I hate to see some big bully
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situation. 
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pledge their allegiance to 
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In case of a Chinese invasion, 
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missing? 
What what does that person need 

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to know about the situation? 
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and a policy geared towards 
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Taiwan. 
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control over what happens in 
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says that we're going to. 
Defend Taiwan, the more America 

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says that we're going to supply 
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government, encourages Taiwan to
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the more China is going to lead 
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Pacific Ocean is really, really 
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it, and Taiwan is right next to 
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And if China wants to, I, and 
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American military officials, 
there's not a lot that the US 

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solution. 
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diplomacy as possible that gives
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possible. 
Now look, if Taiwan wants to 

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fight China like that's on the 
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them. 
Like how, you know, much they 

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want to fight for their 
independence. 

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That, you know, we're 
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We don't believe in liberating 
the world. 

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And, you know, the the Taiwanese
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people of Afghanistan. 
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trying to create a more free 
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doesn't lead to that. 
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He says we refuse to recognize 
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This is no longer the Cold War, 
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versus evil, where America was 
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the world and the dollar reigned
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We need to be honest with 
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no longer a superpower. 
The era of military hegemony and

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dollar hegemony no longer 
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We abused both for two. 
Long the day of reckoning is 

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here. 
We need to accept this. 

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And it was a bipartisan failure 
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So imagine that you are a an 
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everyone since Kissinger's 
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What would you have advised the 
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it had the empire to make sure 
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they didn't lose it? 
What path should they have 

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taken? 
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just, you know, bringing 
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scaling back the military as 
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an economic giant, right. 
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trading with us, then our 
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traded to every country. 
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impact influence and everything 
like and look, if there's a 

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country that doesn't want to 
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like maintain their own 
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Culture, there's nothing the 
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really do about that and we've 
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Cuba and these other countries 
where we've tried everything 

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possible. 
We we've used all of our empire 

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might on these you know various 
small weak countries and have 

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been unable to change them for 
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You know, trying to use all of 
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military might. 
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And keep it. 
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would just. 
They had, like, a little bit of 

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nuance in this article. 
It it would just be to say that 

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America is still a superpower. 
It's just. 

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And in the first paragraph, he 
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America is an Empire, America is
a superpower. 

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We're just not a global 
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We can't determine what happens 
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But that doesn't mean that the 
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American marching orders under 
NATO or, you know, just because 

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we can't prevent China from 
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Doesn't mean that almost every 
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an ally and would do whatever 
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And so we we still are a 
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And the only reason I add that 
little bit of nuance is because,

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yeah, I think it makes the right
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apprehensive when they're like, 
oh, no, we're gonna lose our 

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military might. 
Now people are going to treat 

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America like America has treated
Iraq and America still isn't a 

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rock, right, Keith? 
Like, we have our nuclear 

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arsenal. 
We are a major world economy. 

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We produce things here in, in 
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And look at the rule of law 
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I'm a libertarian. 
It's not great, but there 

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there's, there's pretty good 
property rights here most of the

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time. 
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Like, it's not like if you go 
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months, Keith, you're gonna come
back and somebody somehow has a 

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title for your house and has 
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there's a lot of places in the 
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life is sometimes. 
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Definitely familiar with that. 
The people who would oppose this

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and they say something like, 
well, if Russia goes one inch 

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into Ukraine, we gotta threaten 
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If China goes into Taiwan, we 
gotta defend them. 

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First of all, one of my favorite
quotes ever is he who attempts 

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to defend the world in the end 
defends no one. 

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He who tries to be a friend to 
all ends up being a friend to 

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none. 
And it's so vitally important. 

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He said like 300 years ago. 
But it comes with. 

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A lot of wisdom even to military
generals. 

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Dwight D Eisenhower in 1956. 
The Soviets went into Hungary to

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crush the rebellion, and 
Eisenhower did not have a large 

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scale military response. 
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sure he invited Nikita 
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response to that Lyndon Johnson.
After the mass murder in 

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Czechoslovakia that the Soviets 
committed in 1968, Lyndon 

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Johnson did not respond 
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And then in 1983 when Ronald 
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Was president and the Soviets 
shot down an American aircraft 

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with a congressman on it, and 
they killed him, a guy named 

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Larry McDonald. 
There was no military response, 

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and the Soviet Union came 
crumbling down eventually. 

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So we don't have to say, look, 
there's this new libertarian 

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idea. 
It's so we're like dumb hippies 

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who just live in our heads and 
just want this utopian world to 

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work out. 
We have actual examples of 

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people with a lot of military 
experience being on our side and

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threatening. 
The danger of this? 

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John J Mearsheimer wasn't in the
military. 

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But the point is, even so-called
realists who follow the George 

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Kennan philosophy were saying 
the US is pushing Ukraine to be 

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tough with Russia, giving them 
almost a war guarantee much like

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the British gave to Poland in 
1939, or that Russia gave to 

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Serbia if it was. 
Playing tough with Austria in 

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the First World War. 
So this is no small feat that, 

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you know, we're threatening 
nuclear exchange over Taiwan or 

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the Donbass region because we 
don't like that they even 

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democratically voted years ago. 
This was long before this 

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military occupation took place. 
So it it's absolutely 

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unbelievable. 
Are there any other times you 

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could think of where we didn't 
have this Neo con response of 

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you know what that that nation. 
Cross the line, therefore we 

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have to go to war. 
Are there are there any other 

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historical examples you use that
you'd like to convince people 

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with and say, look, we don't 
always have to respond to what 

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the military and it can work 
out? 

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No. 
And in fact, this is like one of

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my has big, one of my big 
frustrations under the Biden 

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administration. 
It just doesn't make any sense. 

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If you want to try to isolate 
Russia from the rest of the 

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world, then you re enter the 
Iran nuclear deal and allow the 

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Iranian energy back on the 
market. 

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Or at the very least you start 
to relieve some sanctions on 

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Venezuela. 
Where what, you don't like 

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Maduro because he's a socialist 
and kind of bad to his people 

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that it, you know, the only 
historical example I could think

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of here, Keith, is it it seems 
like Tony Montana at the end of 

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Scarface, just doing as much 
blow as possible and and 

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thinking that they're going to 
be able to take on the entire 

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world. 
You know, Kamala Harris is at 

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the DMZ, provoking the North 
Koreans. 

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What are we going to do with 
North Korea? 

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Tests another nuclear weapons? 
Put more sanctions on Pyongyang.

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They're they're sanctioned by 
everyone. 

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Who's willing to implement 
American sanctions already? 

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It's not going to make a 
difference. 

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And yet they continue to provoke
the North Koreans, continue to 

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provoke the Chinese, they want 
to isolate the Russians. 

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And as the Iranian President 
Ebrahim Raisi recently said, the

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more countries America 
sanctions, the stronger the 

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sanctioned, the network of the 
sanction countries get. 

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And so, you know, it's one thing
if you want to just try to 

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isolate Russia and then you 
don't have Venezuela, Iran, 

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China, Zimbabwe, Myanmar, North 
Korea and a dozen other 

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countries under sanctions, then 
it's much easier to isolate 

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Russia. 
But now all these other 

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countries are already 
sanctioned. 

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So there's no downside to them 
at all to doing business with 

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Russia. 
And and, you know, like you 

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basically have the Shanghai 
Cooperation Organization in a 

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large countries that I know this
is a lefty. 

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Term. 
But the global S does generally 

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pretty well defined what 
countries we're talking about 

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here that are willing to do 
business with the Russia and 

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ignore U.S. sanctions and and 
there's just no possible way 

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that they could really expect 
that they could you know win the

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win all these economic and agile
military wars at the same exact 

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time and yet they there seems to
be no recognition of that and 

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it's full speed ahead. 
Keith pedaled to the metal. 

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Again, it's hard to think of 
like why the the White House is 

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acting this way. 
Exactly. 

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And, and I love what the author 
mentions the discussing economic

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growth and the importance of 
having a strong domestic 

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economy. 
I love Thomas Sowell's take on 

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this, he said. 
The very same people who say 

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that government has no right to 
interfere with sexual activity 

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between consenting adults 
believe that the government has 

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every right to interfere with 
economic activity between 

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consenting adults. 
So the more freedom people have,

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the more chances they have to 
make mutually beneficial. 

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Voluntary exchanges, and that is
what that that is really one way

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that we could influence the 
world. 

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First of all, leading by 
example. 

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And if countries aren't trading 
with us, well, I don't know. 

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Make them jealous, become really
rich, become really wealthy, 

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produce a lot of good things 
that they'll want to have so bad

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that it'll create a black market
incentive for them to go around 

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to their governments embargo. 
There's so many things, yet the 

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psychopath class jumps us right 
to nuclear exchange with 

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Vladimir Putin, who asked to 
join NATO in 1999. 

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Reaching his hand out after 
they're no longer communists, 

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they're moving towards an 
Eastern Orthodox path. 

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But of course they have to spit 
in their face and humiliate 

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them, just like Germany in 
Versailles. 

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And of course the dollar 
hegemony no longer exists. 

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Well, it's very classic. 
A lot of economists will 

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explicitly say monopolies are 
bad because they provide worse 

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quality and higher prices than 
would otherwise exist under 

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competition. 
Also, the Federal Reserve should

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have a monopoly. 
On the currency, well, what do 

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you think? 
The same exact economic laws or 

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general terms apply. 
So if we really want this 

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strength, I think we have to 
embrace both domestic and 

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foreign policy freedom 
principles. 

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Anything else before we read the
last two paragraphs, just to 

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expand on your point there about
Putin wanting to join NATO in 

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1999 and, you know, the how the 
West is slapped his hand away. 

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It's almost like Biden doesn't 
remember the past 30 years, my 

456
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:18,180
entire lifetime. 
You know, I remember. 

457
00:25:18,270 --> 00:25:22,580
In the movie Terminator 2, the 
Kid actually asked, like, why 

458
00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:24,440
would we get into nuclear war 
with Russia? 

459
00:25:24,450 --> 00:25:26,180
I thought they were our friends 
now. 

460
00:25:26,270 --> 00:25:29,660
And I, you know, distinctly 
remember from my childhood, my 

461
00:25:29,670 --> 00:25:33,820
impression of Russia growing up 
was Vladimir Putin was the first

462
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:37,740
person to call George Bush and 
offer assistance on killing 

463
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:40,060
terrorists. 
Real assistance. 

464
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:44,150
Not like, hey, you know, man, if
I could help out, let me know. 

465
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,660
But you know, I'll, I'll see 
what I could do. 

466
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:49,440
They were offering to allow the 
Americans to use. 

467
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,610
All the old Soviet bases in 
Central Asia to move military 

468
00:25:53,620 --> 00:25:57,190
equipment into Afghanistan, they
were they were willing to help 

469
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,010
the Americans fight the 
terrorists after 911 and somehow

470
00:26:01,020 --> 00:26:04,430
20 years after that, they're now
the unthinkable enemy. 

471
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:06,820
I mean, I I love the independent
media. 

472
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:10,670
This past week has been doing a 
great job of back when, like, 

473
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,170
Putin and all these people had a
little bit more hair. 

474
00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:15,990
You got like, Putin and Biden 
standing together on all these 

475
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,710
world event stages. 
Now he's Hitler. 

476
00:26:18,780 --> 00:26:21,470
Are you serious? 
Like 20 years ago, like these, 

477
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,950
these guys were your best 
friends. 

478
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,610
So you know what's changed. 
And it's the American military 

479
00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:28,200
industrial complex. 
Needs an enemy. 

480
00:26:29,370 --> 00:26:33,850
Of course, of course. 
And in almost every example, and

481
00:26:33,860 --> 00:26:37,200
this was even after Putin had 
accused the West of arming 

482
00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:40,000
terrorists in the caucus 
mountains. 

483
00:26:40,050 --> 00:26:43,560
So he was even willing to what 
turned a but blind eye to that? 

484
00:26:43,630 --> 00:26:46,680
Did you, well, see him make that
accusation in the Putin 

485
00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:48,900
interviews with Oliver Stone? 
Yeah. 

486
00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:51,760
Yeah. 
I there's old episodes of my 

487
00:26:51,770 --> 00:26:54,700
foreign Policy Focus podcast. 
They were probably in like the 

488
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:58,520
first hundred episodes where I 
broke down all four of those 

489
00:26:58,530 --> 00:27:00,800
interviews by. 
Alverstone, absolutely, 

490
00:27:00,810 --> 00:27:02,420
absolutely. 
If anybody really wants to 

491
00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:05,380
understand like kind of how 
Putin thinks and and how he 

492
00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:08,980
likes to at least present 
himself that I think that's very

493
00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:11,420
helpful to understand, like how 
him and the Kremlin 

494
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:13,630
communicating what's going on in
Ukraine today. 

495
00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:16,240
Me too. 
Yeah, I thought Oliver Stone did

496
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:18,560
a phenomenal job. 
I know it costs money to watch 

497
00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:21,260
on YouTube, go to the 
Libertarian Institute. 

498
00:27:21,330 --> 00:27:25,260
I have provided a summary 
analysis and lessons learned of 

499
00:27:25,270 --> 00:27:29,310
all four episodes. 
So yes, I I think you're 

500
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,640
definitely right about this. 
I don't love that the US, you 

501
00:27:32,650 --> 00:27:35,760
know, is palling around with 
Joseph Stalin in the Second 

502
00:27:35,770 --> 00:27:37,240
World War. 
I don't even like that they 

503
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:40,890
talked to Mohammed bin Solomon 
today, but it is a heck of a lot

504
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:44,940
better than the alternative 
where civilians end up having to

505
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:48,050
bear. 
The cost of these conflicts, I 

506
00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:51,150
mean, Pat Buchanan's great point
was always yeah, we've 

507
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,910
sanctioned all these places. 
But I look at Saddam Hussein, I 

508
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,270
look at Milosevic, I look at 
Fidel Castro. 

509
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,960
They look well fed to me. 
So it's like it's always these 

510
00:28:00,970 --> 00:28:05,210
civilians that have to pay the 
price for these horrible 

511
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:07,570
leaders. 
It's it's really tragic. 

512
00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:11,940
Article continues. 
At the end of Dirty Harry, Clint

513
00:28:11,950 --> 00:28:15,740
Eastwood says that a man has to 
know his limitations. 

514
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:19,120
We need to learn and accept ours
as a nation. 

515
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:21,940
We debased our military, we 
debased our money. 

516
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:24,940
We were reckless with all the 
power we had. 

517
00:28:25,410 --> 00:28:29,250
We treated both with disrespect.
And now here we are no longer a 

518
00:28:29,260 --> 00:28:33,940
superpower in a very competitive
world where we have limited to 

519
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:38,020
no influence. 
Again, we need to turn to the 

520
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:41,670
wisdom of George Washington. 
Avoid foreign entanglements. 

521
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,210
Our relationship with the world 
should be based upon commerce 

522
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,670
trade. 
Any thoughts on that? 

523
00:28:49,090 --> 00:28:51,610
Beautifully written. 
And the only thing I would say 

524
00:28:51,620 --> 00:28:54,840
is that there's no indication in
the year since this was written 

525
00:28:54,850 --> 00:28:58,510
that the White House is and 
anyway turning this direction. 

526
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,050
And as I said, I think rather 
than Dirty Harry, we're getting 

527
00:29:02,060 --> 00:29:06,220
Tony Montana. 
And it's not something horribly 

528
00:29:06,530 --> 00:29:10,400
that distant. 
A very common thing is people 

529
00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:13,900
advocate a principle of my body,
my choice, for example. 

530
00:29:14,030 --> 00:29:18,000
For instance, if I don't have 
the right to my body, well, then

531
00:29:18,010 --> 00:29:20,800
who the heck else does? 
They own not only their body, 

532
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:25,240
but mine too, if we extend that 
to the economic realm and 

533
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:29,000
realize that economic decisions 
are simply people expressing 

534
00:29:29,050 --> 00:29:33,740
their preferences with how they 
choose to allocate their scarce.

535
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:36,610
Time and their scarce money on 
this earth. 

536
00:29:36,660 --> 00:29:40,090
Then we could embrace that 
policy in principle of 

537
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:43,380
unilateral free trade, open 
discussion, and we wouldn't 

538
00:29:43,390 --> 00:29:45,970
constantly be vilified. 
I don't know if you've seen it. 

539
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,940
I remember especially, like 
probably 10-10 years ago, there 

540
00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:55,230
were a lot of people in the 
comment sections of YouTube, a 

541
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,870
lot of people confidently on 
social media saying that they 

542
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,750
thought things like 911 were 
needed to. 

543
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:06,800
To humble the American Empire, 
which is not too crazy, if you 

544
00:30:06,810 --> 00:30:10,600
can imagine people support 
Hiroshima because, well, we had 

545
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:13,050
to do that to Japan. 
There are some people across the

546
00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:17,400
world who say, well, I think 
America needed 911 to to to 

547
00:30:17,410 --> 00:30:20,180
really get a grip on the reality
of things. 

548
00:30:20,490 --> 00:30:24,080
It's amazing that that they 
never assume that there are 

549
00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:26,760
downsides to any of this. 
They go, yeah, well, we might 

550
00:30:26,770 --> 00:30:28,900
have to go to war with this 
person or that person. 

551
00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:32,240
They almost never talk about the
downsides of, first of all, the 

552
00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:35,810
deaths. 
And the financial costs and the 

553
00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:38,850
roaning of the currency, as 
Warnick has mentioned here. 

554
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:41,810
But they never talk about the 
reputational cost. 

555
00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:44,790
It's like there's no downside. 
There's only upside. 

556
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,310
We might have to defend Taiwan. 
We might have to send some more 

557
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,950
money to the Poroshenko 
government and the Azov 

558
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,830
Battalion. 
How is it that such a blatant 

559
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,010
scam is able to continue, with 
all these intellectuals on the 

560
00:30:59,020 --> 00:31:01,880
same side and the people not 
being able to see through it? 

561
00:31:01,890 --> 00:31:05,590
Do you have any thesis there? 
Yeah, because they they like, 

562
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,430
take it even further. 
And so it's not just that, you 

563
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,400
know, everybody has to agree, 
but you cannot dissent, right. 

564
00:31:13,410 --> 00:31:17,490
Because if you are not in line 
with going to war with Saddam, 

565
00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:21,230
even if it keep, even if you 
have nothing positive, ever a 

566
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,450
positive to say about Saddam 
Hussein and your entire life. 

567
00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:27,950
But other than I really don't 
see proof that he was making 

568
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,970
weapons of mass destruction. 
You're a terrorist if you say, 

569
00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:35,360
look, I don't want to. 
Even China's communist 

570
00:31:35,370 --> 00:31:38,050
governments are oppressive. 
We all know this, but they're 

571
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:41,120
not committing a genocide 
against the Uighurs, and they 

572
00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:45,920
use, you know, data with a 
decimal point in the wrong place

573
00:31:46,110 --> 00:31:49,120
to try to prove that the 
genocide was going on. 

574
00:31:49,270 --> 00:31:52,500
Oh, look, now I'm a communist. 
Or if I say boy. 

575
00:31:52,570 --> 00:31:58,800
In 2008, William Burns, then 
ambassador to Russia, now 

576
00:31:58,810 --> 00:32:02,860
director of the CIA, wrote a 
memo to the State Department 

577
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:06,030
saying that. 
For Russia, the brightest of all

578
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,430
red lines was Ukraine joining 
NATO and was seen as a security 

579
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,070
threat not just by the 
hardliners in Russia, but by 

580
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,230
every single person in the 
Kremlin. 

581
00:32:15,340 --> 00:32:19,030
And this was going to provoke a 
serious response, just saying, 

582
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,910
like, hey, I'm not saying that 
that Russia was right to invade 

583
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,970
Ukraine. 
I'm saying that you all knew 

584
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:30,870
that if you admitted a NATO 
Ukraine into NATO, Russia was 

585
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,210
going to invade Ukraine and you,
you know, made them de facto. 

586
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,860
Members anyways, and so this was
a predictable consequence of 

587
00:32:37,870 --> 00:32:39,400
your edges. 
Well, now I'm a Putin 

588
00:32:39,410 --> 00:32:41,920
propagandist. 
This is this is how they keep 

589
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:45,480
everybody in line established a 
narrative is that you you can't 

590
00:32:45,490 --> 00:32:48,190
descend or else you're no longer
an American. 

591
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,910
You're hurting your country, 
Keith. 

592
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,060
You're making your fellow 
countrymen more vulnerable by 

593
00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:57,910
articulating factual dissent to 
the the, the common narrative. 

594
00:32:59,090 --> 00:33:04,660
It it's the classic guilt tactic
that, you know, Meghan McCain 

595
00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:07,520
will use this saying, ohh, I 
hope Julian Assange burns in 

596
00:33:07,530 --> 00:33:09,260
hell. 
He's a cyber terrorist. 

597
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:13,080
As if just like, putting these, 
like sticky notes on this hero 

598
00:33:13,310 --> 00:33:16,560
that like tugging on Superman's 
Cape like as as if she has any 

599
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,680
credentials. 
But I think you're totally 

600
00:33:18,690 --> 00:33:19,880
right. 
You hit the nail on the head 

601
00:33:19,930 --> 00:33:23,700
there, almost like a stroking, 
this fear of people are just 

602
00:33:23,710 --> 00:33:27,580
terrified of social disapproval.
It's like that old Jerry 

603
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:31,790
Seinfeld joke he goes. 
People's number one fear is 

604
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,430
speaking in front of an 
audience. 

605
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,630
Second is death, meaning if 
you're at a funeral, you'd 

606
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,050
rather be in the coffin than 
giving the eulogy. 

607
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:43,830
People are so terrified of 
social disapproval that if you 

608
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,650
just align them with not just, 
of course, you know, you're you 

609
00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:51,430
love Mussolini, you love Adolf 
Hitler, you love Vladimir Putin.

610
00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:54,630
Even saying like you're Neville 
Chamberlain. 

611
00:33:54,740 --> 00:33:57,450
Like an ally of America 
Chamberlain's the one who 

612
00:33:57,460 --> 00:34:01,880
declared war September 3rd. 
Of 39, the fact that it it war 

613
00:34:01,890 --> 00:34:05,140
wasn't his first move. 
That's enough that they need to 

614
00:34:05,230 --> 00:34:09,159
write to, to write you off and 
look at the example you used of 

615
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:11,100
that. 
These two are in like a major 

616
00:34:11,110 --> 00:34:15,760
position of of who knows what. 
These people are really in a 

617
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:17,340
position to know what they're 
talking about. 

618
00:34:17,350 --> 00:34:19,679
William Burns, the current head 
of the CIA. 

619
00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:21,710
This was in 2008. 
What was his role? 

620
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,320
He was a ambassador to Russia's 
ambassador, ambassador to Russia

621
00:34:26,330 --> 00:34:29,110
under Condoleezza Rice as 
Secretary of State. 

622
00:34:29,409 --> 00:34:32,239
And then the guy he's quoting is
Sergey Lavrov. 

623
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:35,440
Isn't it the foreign minister 
since 2005? 

624
00:34:35,590 --> 00:34:38,620
Isn't that he's referring? 
He's, yes, in the memo he's 

625
00:34:38,630 --> 00:34:42,600
referencing a conversation with 
Lavrov, but he's just 

626
00:34:42,610 --> 00:34:45,980
articulating that this is the 
policy in the Kremlin. 

627
00:34:45,989 --> 00:34:48,840
I don't think that part was 
necessarily quoting Lavrov. 

628
00:34:48,850 --> 00:34:52,940
I think that was like William 
Burns's position on it, which I 

629
00:34:52,949 --> 00:34:55,199
think makes it even more 
important and powerful. 

630
00:34:55,330 --> 00:34:58,820
You know what I'm saying? 
Like, Burns is assessing that 

631
00:34:58,830 --> 00:35:02,930
this is the position of. 
Everybody in the Kremlin and and

632
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:07,910
then he has like the quote from 
Sergey Lavrov, that means net 

633
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,030
like, you know, like this is 
absolutely like, no, this will 

634
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,210
not happen. 
And just before they had put 

635
00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:18,670
both the Georgia and Ukraine on 
the path to NATO membership. 

636
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,100
Yeah, and that was under George 
Bush, all right, the article 

637
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:28,370
continues. 
And unfortunately, we refused to

638
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:34,810
recognize that coercion is a bad
policy always and everywhere. 

639
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,150
Alright, Kyle, this is gonna be 
rough, but I want us to go 

640
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,050
through these quickly. 
I'm. 

641
00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:43,840
I'm one who named an 
intervention since the start of 

642
00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:49,790
the War on Terror. 
Give me the primary results that

643
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,590
occurred and the downsides you 
mentioned. 

644
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,970
In Afghanistan, we replaced the 
Taliban with the Taliban after 

645
00:35:55,980 --> 00:35:59,530
20 years. 
In Iraq, what were the downsides

646
00:35:59,540 --> 00:36:02,900
of going into Iraq and kindly 
liberating them from Saddam's 

647
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,910
rule? 
Well over a million dead, a 

648
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,350
civil war that really hasn't 
officially worked itself out all

649
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,990
the way in Iraq. 
The government there is a 

650
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,710
complete train wreck. 
They held elections like two 

651
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,510
years ago and still haven't 
elected a Prime Minister. 

652
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,890
It it it takes months and months
to even count a vote. 

653
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:27,210
There's violence all the time in
Iraq still, and I mean from the 

654
00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:30,020
position. 
You know of successive white 

655
00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:33,660
houses, like every White House 
wants to like disempower Iran in

656
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:36,660
the Middle East. 
And nothing has built up around 

657
00:36:36,670 --> 00:36:41,250
more and allowed them to have 
more ties in the Middle East 

658
00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:44,720
than the United States. 
Overthrowing Saddam and putting 

659
00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:48,300
a democratically elected 
government in Baghdad which 

660
00:36:48,350 --> 00:36:52,260
senses a majority Shia country 
ends up being a Shia government 

661
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:58,120
which is friendly with Iran. 
Downsides of intervention into 

662
00:36:58,180 --> 00:37:02,200
Libya? 
So Libya still a failed state. 

663
00:37:02,290 --> 00:37:06,200
I think they estimate like 
250,000 people died during that 

664
00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:08,540
war. 
The stories that you read from 

665
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:12,860
Libya since the fall of the 
Gaddafi government are insanely 

666
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:17,040
horrific people, refugees from 
other African countries try to 

667
00:37:17,050 --> 00:37:20,480
go through Libya and basically 
what would happen time after 

668
00:37:20,490 --> 00:37:23,820
time, you hear these stories 
where that, you know, the people

669
00:37:23,830 --> 00:37:27,440
would call home, they're being 
tortured by some group and they 

670
00:37:27,450 --> 00:37:30,010
demand money from the family. 
The family sends the money and 

671
00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:31,970
then they sell that. 
Person to another group who 

672
00:37:31,980 --> 00:37:36,030
tortures that person. 
Or there was a regularly used 

673
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,250
mass rape in the Libyan prisons 
to try to take fighters off the 

674
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:43,390
battlefield so they would like 
just rape large groups of men 

675
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,290
with broomsticks and things like
that and then film it and then 

676
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,550
use that as blackmail to try to 
keep people from the 

677
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,270
battlefield. 
Hundreds of thousands of people 

678
00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:55,490
died trying to cross the 
Mediterranean Sea after the, you

679
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:58,650
know, Gaddafi died. 
Not only Libyans, but people 

680
00:37:58,660 --> 00:38:01,570
from across northern Africa and 
the Sahel. 

681
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:06,470
And if you wanna look at what's 
going on in like Northern Africa

682
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,130
today, like the the top of the 
ice cream cone there, it's, you 

683
00:38:11,140 --> 00:38:13,030
know, coup after coup after 
coup. 

684
00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:18,010
And a lot of it's because 
AFRICOM, the US African command,

685
00:38:18,020 --> 00:38:20,530
is involved in waging different 
military games. 

686
00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:24,150
And we pick out our favorite 
generals from Bikina Faso or 

687
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,970
Mali, and then we train them up 
real good and then they end up 

688
00:38:26,980 --> 00:38:30,710
pulling off a coup. 
But a lot of it is because after

689
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,600
Gaddafi fell. 
The jihadist elements that 

690
00:38:33,610 --> 00:38:37,660
helped to overthrow Gaddafi with
the support of the United States

691
00:38:37,850 --> 00:38:41,130
went bad to other countries in 
the region and supported 

692
00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:45,440
different groups and inflamed 
all of these different ethnic 

693
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:47,920
rivalries. 
And so you'll read a story and 

694
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:52,690
Molly, about how 150 people died
because this one group attacked 

695
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:55,040
this other group because, you 
know, this group's now allied 

696
00:38:55,050 --> 00:38:57,600
with jihadists. 
I think there was just another 

697
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,560
coup this past week in Burkino 
Faso. 

698
00:38:59,570 --> 00:39:02,160
I mean, it's a complete train 
wreck, and it's all because of 

699
00:39:02,170 --> 00:39:04,790
Obama's. 
Uh, war in overthrowing Gaddafi?

700
00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:10,170
And then they had this bizarre 
lie that Wolf Blitzer on CNN 

701
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:15,690
said that Gaddafi was giving his
troops Viagra as a tool of mass 

702
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:19,290
rape. 
I mean, just the propaganda that

703
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:23,050
came out of that one. 
And Obama wrote a book and, 

704
00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:24,790
like, pinned the whole thing on 
Sarkozy. 

705
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,570
That was actually funny results 
to the US involvement in 

706
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,690
Pakistan. 
So I guess the the big thing now

707
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,770
point out here is the US drone 
war in Pakistan. 

708
00:39:36,850 --> 00:39:40,990
Push this group that shrink E 
Taliban over the border of 

709
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,090
Pakistan into Afghanistan to get
away from the Pakistani army 

710
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:49,310
there. 
They adopted the Black Flag of 

711
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,360
the Islamic State and are now 
what's known as the Islamic 

712
00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:56,190
State course on fashion. 
And so if we look at, you know, 

713
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,990
the the disasters during the US 
pull out of Afghanistan and the 

714
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,610
near weekly or so suicide 
bombings around Afghanistan 

715
00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:07,700
since the US pullout by the 
Islamic State. 

716
00:40:07,770 --> 00:40:12,150
Of course, on group that's just 
a a direct repercussion from 

717
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,050
Obama's drone war in that 
country. 

718
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:20,010
When it comes to Yemen, al Qaeda
in the Arabian Peninsula was, 

719
00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:22,470
from what I understand, 
responsible for the USS Cole 

720
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,870
bombing. 
This was October of the year 

721
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,590
2000. 
Well, what are the results of 

722
00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:32,890
this conflict in Yemen? 
So there there's tons of things 

723
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:36,220
going on in Yemen, Keith. 
There's the drone war against Al

724
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:38,690
Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, 
which has been going on for 

725
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:42,570
years and years and years. 
But more recently, in 2015, the 

726
00:40:42,580 --> 00:40:47,340
United States Bad Saudi Arabia, 
waging mostly an air war but 

727
00:40:47,350 --> 00:40:50,130
also like some proxy ground 
conflicts, they use a lot of 

728
00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:54,650
Sudanese military militants. 
They have the UAE backing 

729
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:59,810
different forces, but largely, 
particularly the UAE. 

730
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,780
Assumed all of the jihadist 
groups under their their banners

731
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:06,830
and and they now fight with the 
UAE. 

732
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:10,810
And so we've essentially flipped
in that war from what we are 

733
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:14,290
doing under Bush and Obama to 
the the late Obama years in 

734
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,200
2015. 
And rather than fighting a war 

735
00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:22,060
against AQ AP we're fighting a 
war against this group, Ansar Al

736
00:41:22,070 --> 00:41:25,380
Ria or otherwise known as the 
Houthis that control the 

737
00:41:25,390 --> 00:41:27,400
majority of the the population 
of Yemen. 

738
00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:29,580
If you look at a map you're 
like, oh, they barely control 

739
00:41:29,590 --> 00:41:32,520
like 1/4 of the country. 
But that's where like 2/3 of the

740
00:41:32,530 --> 00:41:35,500
population lives, like mostly 
yemens and empty desert. 

741
00:41:35,590 --> 00:41:38,200
And so they they control, like 
most of the populations, the 

742
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:39,640
capital and everything like 
that. 

743
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:43,270
Well, they're opposed to AQ AP 
and yet we're concerned about 

744
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,160
bombing the Houthis right now 
because we have to back Saudi 

745
00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:49,980
Arabia and the UAE's ambitions 
in Yemen, which I think are 

746
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:52,880
mostly like just stealing their 
oil and their ports and any 

747
00:41:52,890 --> 00:41:54,400
wealth they could squeeze out of
Yemen. 

748
00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:59,680
When it comes to al Shabaab in 
Somalia, what's happening there?

749
00:42:00,370 --> 00:42:05,140
So, al Shabaab. 
I think being informed till 2009

750
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:08,280
but you know where there are 
2006 me but they're lumped into 

751
00:42:08,290 --> 00:42:12,500
the the terror war but this is 
really a whole separate thing. 

752
00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:16,880
I'll Shabaab did swear 
allegiance to Osama bin Laden 

753
00:42:16,890 --> 00:42:22,020
but their emergence in Somalia 
really rude spat to the the time

754
00:42:22,030 --> 00:42:25,870
that Somalia became like the 
somewhat anarchist state that 

755
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,520
they're you know wasn't a a 
foremost strong government in 

756
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:30,860
Mogadishu. 
And so then there's a lot of 

757
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:34,500
tribal groups that emerged. 
When these tribal groups started

758
00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:37,250
to stabilize Somalia a little 
bit, and Scott Horton, our boss 

759
00:42:37,260 --> 00:42:40,630
at the Libertarian Institute, 
has a fantastical, fantastic 

760
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,650
article that goes through all of
this. 

761
00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:45,930
A lot more detail and a lot more
eloquently than I'm going to do 

762
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:48,590
here. 
But essentially the US tried to 

763
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,410
overthrow the this, you know, 
loose system of like tribal 

764
00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:57,710
councils that was holding some 
stability in Somalia with the 

765
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:03,490
Ethiopian army, and in that the 
group that emerged in Somalia. 

766
00:43:03,570 --> 00:43:08,580
As one of the most powerful was 
al Shabaab, and so it was, you 

767
00:43:08,590 --> 00:43:11,480
know, the US inviting The 
Ethiopians and that really led 

768
00:43:11,490 --> 00:43:14,520
to the rise of al Shabaab. 
Now they control the bottom, I 

769
00:43:14,530 --> 00:43:19,440
don't know, third quarter, maybe
20% of Somalia. the US has waged

770
00:43:19,450 --> 00:43:23,140
a years long drone campaign. 
Every time a drone strike gets 

771
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:27,260
dropped, they say, ohh boy, 
well, that's because, you know, 

772
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:29,710
or that's because there's Al 
Shabab there and we killed 10 al

773
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:33,160
Shabaab and then some American 
journalists ends up going to 

774
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:35,130
that village. 
Talking to the people there, and

775
00:43:35,140 --> 00:43:37,700
they're like, what? 
That was a minibus and there was

776
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:40,630
three kids going to school and 
one old man that walked with a 

777
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,070
cane. 
So none of them were al Shabaab.

778
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,530
And it turns out the US just 
kills militants. 

779
00:43:45,540 --> 00:43:51,150
Also, the US calls the largest 
terrorist attack in African 

780
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,410
history in Somalia. 
Over 600 people died in this 

781
00:43:54,420 --> 00:43:56,750
bombing. 
And what happened was the US was

782
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,900
trying to wage a 
counterinsurgency operation. 

783
00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:04,650
And there's this key town in 
southern Somalia that produces a

784
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:06,610
lot of bananas, and there's a 
lot of wealth there. 

785
00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:09,370
And so the US tried to come in 
and establish themselves as a 

786
00:44:09,380 --> 00:44:13,450
security force, and then they 
allied themselves with this 

787
00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:16,530
fashion and the Somali military 
that went in and massacred 10 

788
00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:19,410
people in this village. 
And then a couple weeks later, 

789
00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:23,190
some guy from that village goes 
and he's trying to get into, I 

790
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,450
think, the Green Zone of 
Mogadishu, where all the 

791
00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:29,420
international compound and 
everything like that is and has 

792
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:33,820
this massive, massive. 
I'm in a dump truck and doesn't 

793
00:44:33,830 --> 00:44:36,870
get there, detonates on the way.
We're all like all these 

794
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,470
refugees live and just, I mean, 
wiped hundreds of people off the

795
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,940
face of the earth and this was 
like chopped up to al Shabaab. 

796
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:47,540
But it there's like no real 
contact between this guy and al 

797
00:44:47,550 --> 00:44:49,770
Shabaab. 
And it's pretty clear that 

798
00:44:49,780 --> 00:44:54,240
there's a lot of hostility from 
the people in that region over 

799
00:44:54,250 --> 00:44:56,900
the the massacre that occurred 
by the Somali forces. 

800
00:44:57,010 --> 00:44:59,020
There were no guns in that 
village, by the way. 

801
00:44:59,030 --> 00:45:01,260
Like this was 100% verified 
that. 

802
00:45:01,330 --> 00:45:04,710
There were no guns in the 
village and some guy from that 

803
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:09,370
village tried three times, like 
went to a Somali general and was

804
00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:12,370
like, we see an American drone 
flying overhead. 

805
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,570
Please, for the love of God, 
tell the Americans we're just 

806
00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:19,250
farmers and don't have guns. 
And the lazy ass general, the 

807
00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:22,470
Somali general, I think it 
sounds like was just negligent 

808
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,470
and said OK, but didn't bother 
to pick up the phone and call 

809
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,640
somebody because that's not what
they do in Somalia and, you 

810
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:33,030
know, then then the Americans. 
Helping the village with the 

811
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,280
Somalis and forces and they 
killed 10 people and yeah. 

812
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,770
Incredible. 
What do people need to know 

813
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:44,470
about the results of US 
intervention into Syria? 

814
00:45:44,780 --> 00:45:46,390
Ohh wow, I forgot about this 
one. 

815
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,910
So this is this is terrible. 
Keith, in the Arab Spring 

816
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,860
springs up. 
There's protests, legitimate 

817
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:59,230
protests against the the 
al-Assad government, the Obama 

818
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:02,770
White House, and particularly I 
think Hillary Clinton and John 

819
00:46:02,780 --> 00:46:05,830
Brennan. 
I think Brennan was CIA by then 

820
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,510
and Hillary Clinton's in the 
State Department. 

821
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,210
But Brian. 
Might just been like an advisor 

822
00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:12,790
or something like that at that 
point really push to get the US 

823
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,150
to step up the the support for 
the resistance to Bashar 

824
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,930
al-Assad. 
That resistance becomes violent,

825
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:22,770
ultimately morphed into the 
Islamic State. 

826
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,190
Who knows how many people have 
died in Iraq and Syria because 

827
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,950
of this war. the US now occupies
the third of Syria backing an 

828
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,580
illegitimate Turkish government 
where we pretend that they're 

829
00:46:32,590 --> 00:46:34,070
better than the Assad 
government. 

830
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,450
But from all indication, they're
really not. 

831
00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:38,950
They have 10s of thousands of 
people. 

832
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:43,560
In this all Hall prison camp in 
US occupied Syria, Keith and 

833
00:46:43,630 --> 00:46:47,080
they just live in squalor. 
They're a bunch of former ISIS 

834
00:46:47,090 --> 00:46:50,340
wives who have raised all these 
children that were, you know, 

835
00:46:50,350 --> 00:46:53,820
from, you know, the the, the 
sons of ISIS fighters. 

836
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:57,950
And it's it's just it's a 
terrible, terrible situation. 

837
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,740
US occupied Syria, the US is 
opposed to what our NATO ally 

838
00:47:02,750 --> 00:47:06,640
Turkey is trying to do in Syria.
Our allies in Syria are they're 

839
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:09,440
absolute enemies. 
And now we've implemented. 

840
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:12,530
Sanctions on Syria that 
deliberately keep the country 

841
00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:15,970
from rebuilding after this war. 
And so, you know, there's people

842
00:47:15,980 --> 00:47:18,820
all over Syria right now, Diana.
Cholera, right. 

843
00:47:18,830 --> 00:47:22,010
There are people dying in Syria 
because they had so much 

844
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:24,970
diarrhea that they dehydrate and
it died. 

845
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,030
Like that's unthinkable to 
happen to anybody in this 

846
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,980
country who isn't either, like, 
you know, some degenerate, you 

847
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:35,590
know, drug user on the street or
somebody in like, you know, the 

848
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,590
most advanced, highest Hospice 
residential type care. 

849
00:47:39,660 --> 00:47:41,840
Right. 
But this is like what normal 

850
00:47:41,850 --> 00:47:44,820
people have are dying of right 
now in Syria. 

851
00:47:45,790 --> 00:47:48,310
You know, babies freezing to 
death in the winter in that 

852
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,440
country. 
And it's all because of U.S. 

853
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:54,280
sanctions intentionally. 
So, you know, Rudy Giuliani, 

854
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:58,050
this clip clip is going around, 
was bragging about how U.S. 

855
00:47:58,060 --> 00:48:02,160
sanctions and Iran led Iranians 
to trying to sell their organs 

856
00:48:02,170 --> 00:48:06,680
for $500.00 he, like he was 
saying that these are the 

857
00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:09,580
conditions that we want to 
create in these countries, so 

858
00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:12,100
the people rise up. 
And overthrow their governments,

859
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:14,120
which of course never happens, 
right? 

860
00:48:14,130 --> 00:48:18,040
Like if you if if the Iranians 
were starving you to death, 

861
00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:21,620
Keith, would you be like, I 
wanna kill the, you know, my 

862
00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:23,680
leader? 
No, you would want to kill the 

863
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:26,600
leader of the person that's 
starving your family to death. 

864
00:48:26,610 --> 00:48:29,220
Of course. 
Is is just unreal. 

865
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,890
And then this again, is the 
classic lie about, well, what? 

866
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:37,470
We're gonna go there and we're 
gonna defeat the terrorists and 

867
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,490
we're gonna fight for our 
freedom, never recognizing that 

868
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,870
there's a second side to this 
equation, the potential 

869
00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:47,410
downsides. 
Today's blog post at the 

870
00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:51,610
Libertarian Institute titled 
Marco Rubio is a liar. 

871
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,930
What I did was I used a number 
of quotes to respond to his 

872
00:48:55,940 --> 00:48:59,070
initial claim. 
And this is a quote directly 

873
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,590
from Osama. 
Bin Laden talking about the 

874
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,750
potential downsides of foreign 
policy, bin Laden briefly says 

875
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,690
their leader, that idiot they 
obey, was claiming that we 

876
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,710
envied their lifestyle when the 
truth which this pharaoh would 

877
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:15,220
like to hide is that we are 
attacking them because of their 

878
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:19,050
injustice toward the Muslim 
world and especially Palestine 

879
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,520
and Iraq, as well as their 
occupation of the land of the 

880
00:49:22,530 --> 00:49:26,670
two sanctuaries. 
So I mean the the the warnings 

881
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,170
were there, the the warnings 
were there for the war in. 

882
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,670
Russia with the William Burns 
memo you mentioned previously. 

883
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,590
The warnings are there with 
China. 

884
00:49:36,660 --> 00:49:40,890
President Xi is telling Biden 
about the potential downsides of

885
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:45,310
Pelosi, you know, flying these 
jets and landing into Taiwan. 

886
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,530
But they're just so psychotic. 
They don't care to look at the 

887
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,710
the the cost that everyone else 
is going to have to bear for 

888
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:57,890
their belligerence, just as John
F Kennedy was not about to allow

889
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,350
the the Soviets to have 
missiles. 

890
00:50:00,420 --> 00:50:06,240
In Cuba, these countries are not
gonna want Taiwan to be a de 

891
00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:11,920
facto NATO member, nor will 
Ukraine be allowed to have their

892
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:15,960
time to do the exact same thing.
Article continues. 

893
00:50:16,310 --> 00:50:20,160
Our founding was predicated upon
our own fight to be free on our 

894
00:50:20,170 --> 00:50:22,320
own terms. 
It had nothing to do with 

895
00:50:22,330 --> 00:50:25,680
conquering others. 
We have a legal principle that 

896
00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:29,340
force is only legitimate when 
the threat is direct and 

897
00:50:29,410 --> 00:50:31,860
imminent. 
We perverted that principle in 

898
00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:34,780
the world stage. 
The reason I think this is 

899
00:50:34,890 --> 00:50:38,130
important is because you don't 
want to just strip people of 

900
00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:40,740
their identity. 
I know a lot of people who say 

901
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:43,550
America's job is to liberate the
world. 

902
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,750
This was the guy. 
Who was talking to Roger Waters 

903
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,050
on CNN? 
He goes, what about our role as 

904
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:52,690
liberators and waters like, had 
to pick himself up off the floor

905
00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:55,490
just because it's such a joke at
this point. 

906
00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:59,570
But that mindset is real, so you
don't want to just say actually 

907
00:50:59,580 --> 00:51:01,190
this thing you love is total 
trash. 

908
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,870
Say no, this thing you love. 
I think you have to change the 

909
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,550
your start date and maybe look 
at the Declaration of 

910
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,590
Independence. 
We hold truths to be 

911
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,590
self-evident. 
There is an objective truth. 

912
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,280
People have the right to life. 
Liberty the right to pursue 

913
00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:19,000
their happiness so long as they 
don't initiate violence against 

914
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:21,740
peaceful people. 
You have the the state does not 

915
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:25,440
have the right to monopolize 
weaponry because then that would

916
00:51:25,450 --> 00:51:28,700
give them a complete monopoly on
force and that would be absolute

917
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:31,300
government supremacy. 
There's all these things in our 

918
00:51:31,310 --> 00:51:35,830
heritage that we can look to. 
I mean America goes a little 

919
00:51:35,950 --> 00:51:39,700
existed a little before Dick 
Cheney was alive to the issue. 

920
00:51:39,710 --> 00:51:43,360
All these ridiculous things when
when it comes to we only got two

921
00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:44,760
more sentences. 
Thank you for. 

922
00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:50,080
Your time today, when it comes 
to making sure we attack the 

923
00:51:50,090 --> 00:51:52,730
right from the right, so to 
speak, or make sure that people 

924
00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:57,270
don't think we're hating on the 
country, America, we live here. 

925
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,770
And of course I love it here. 
I wouldn't want to live anywhere

926
00:51:59,780 --> 00:52:02,070
else. 
Do you have anything that you 

927
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,130
say to people that makes them 
really understand your position 

928
00:52:05,180 --> 00:52:08,950
so they realize we're attacking 
a subset of people who have 

929
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,930
occupied the regime as opposed 
to attacking all of America? 

930
00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:18,310
So, especially if I'm talking to
the right, I'll just go into 

931
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,370
like look, look, look where 
America is located strategically

932
00:52:22,380 --> 00:52:25,060
on the map and then think about 
the Americans. 

933
00:52:25,070 --> 00:52:27,370
You know, they're very proud 
people. 

934
00:52:27,380 --> 00:52:32,150
They're gun wielding people. 
They are, you know, wealthy and,

935
00:52:32,340 --> 00:52:35,490
you know, like have the ability 
and the time to defend 

936
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:38,490
themselves if needed. 
You know, we don't need to be 

937
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:41,250
meddling in Iraq to keep 
Americans safe. 

938
00:52:41,260 --> 00:52:43,870
Americans can't keep themselves 
safe. 

939
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,060
Washington. 
Tends to put targets on the bats

940
00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:50,100
of Americans. 
And So what we need to do is 

941
00:52:50,110 --> 00:52:51,880
take the targets off of our 
bats. 

942
00:52:52,090 --> 00:52:55,960
We'll, you know, we live in a 
country where, fortunately, we 

943
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:57,840
could defend ourselves if we 
need to. 

944
00:52:58,790 --> 00:53:03,320
And look, the the US government 
spends, what, 10 times more than

945
00:53:03,330 --> 00:53:07,020
what Russia does on probably 
much more than that now, but you

946
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:11,000
know, 5  1 what China does on 
its military what 1215 times 

947
00:53:11,010 --> 00:53:13,920
more than Russia does on its 
military either. 

948
00:53:13,930 --> 00:53:16,510
We're really, really, really 
bad. 

949
00:53:16,620 --> 00:53:20,930
At doing military things, or we 
don't need to spend that much on

950
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:23,870
our military, right? 
Like what, you're telling me the

951
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,880
Chinese are five times better at
building battleships than the 

952
00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:29,590
Americans and and things like 
that, that we had to spend five 

953
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,050
times more? 
And then I feel like those 

954
00:53:32,060 --> 00:53:34,770
arguments, like particularly on 
the right, tend to diffuse it, 

955
00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:36,850
although sometimes I have to 
articulate them just a little 

956
00:53:36,860 --> 00:53:38,580
bit better. 
Exactly. 

957
00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:42,120
And but wars of aggression are 
constantly what bring these 

958
00:53:42,130 --> 00:53:45,620
other empires down. 
Whether it's the Romanov regime 

959
00:53:45,630 --> 00:53:48,720
or the Soviet regime, the 
Ottoman Empire, the French 

960
00:53:48,730 --> 00:53:51,930
Empire, the German empires, the 
British Empire, Wars are 

961
00:53:51,940 --> 00:53:55,120
constantly bringing down these, 
the Japanese Empire wars are 

962
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:59,360
constantly bringing down these 
places, and the American Empire,

963
00:53:59,430 --> 00:54:04,090
just that keeps on provoking the
wars because they directly reap 

964
00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:07,900
a large amount of benefits from 
provoking the wars. 

965
00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:10,620
They get all the votes. 
Marco Rubio gets all the cheers 

966
00:54:10,690 --> 00:54:14,600
from the morons and the crowd 
when he talks about blowing up 

967
00:54:14,610 --> 00:54:17,720
Chinese aircrafts. 
And they never have to bear the 

968
00:54:17,730 --> 00:54:20,960
consequences that they're seen 
as heroes because they're the 

969
00:54:20,970 --> 00:54:26,880
ones who we look to to defend us
article and saying we used it 

970
00:54:27,050 --> 00:54:30,220
not to defend ourselves, but 
rather in attempt to bend the 

971
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:35,940
world to our will and have used 
the dollar as a weapon in the 

972
00:54:35,950 --> 00:54:40,670
same capacity hegemony. 
We are an even greater nation 

973
00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:44,850
when we reject the concept of 
hegemony and embrace 

974
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,030
voluntarism, liberty and 
freedom. 

975
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:51,620
Kyle Anzalone, where is the best
place for people to find your 

976
00:54:51,630 --> 00:54:54,030
work? 
The Libertarian institute? 

977
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,010
Keith Knight, where I think 
you're the managing editor. 

978
00:54:57,020 --> 00:55:00,770
I'm the news editor, so I write 
multiple news stories almost 

979
00:55:00,780 --> 00:55:03,790
every day for the institute. 
If not, I'm writing them an 

980
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,630
antiwar.com and reporting them 
at the institute. 

981
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,520
I want to tell everybody. 
I am speaking this weekend in 

982
00:55:10,530 --> 00:55:15,720
Denver, October 8th at noon at 
the Capitol on behalf of Julian 

983
00:55:15,730 --> 00:55:18,600
Assange. 
If we wanna keep doing this, if 

984
00:55:18,610 --> 00:55:22,800
we want real journalism, we have
to fight for Julian Assange. 

985
00:55:22,850 --> 00:55:27,320
There's a huge event going on in
DC my colleague Dave Decamp from

986
00:55:27,330 --> 00:55:31,100
antiwar.com is speaking there. 
So if you're in the DC area, I 

987
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:34,780
pretty sure they're at the 
Department of Justice, so head 

988
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:36,380
down there. 
But if you're in the Denver 

989
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:39,080
area, please come out. 
Support, check it out. 

990
00:55:39,260 --> 00:55:42,320
I think the like the Colorado LP
is involved in the event so 

991
00:55:42,330 --> 00:55:45,380
there will be some great people 
there to hang out with and 

992
00:55:45,390 --> 00:55:47,550
everything but please come check
that out. 

993
00:55:47,660 --> 00:55:51,390
You can follow me on Twitter at 
Kyle Anzalone, under score and. 

994
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,710
Antiwar.com. 
Thanks to everyone for watching 

995
00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:57,610
Keith Knight. 
Don't tread on anyone and the 

996
00:55:57,620 --> 00:55:59,870
Libertarian Institute. 
Kyle, thank you for your time, 

997
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,120
brother. 
Thank you, Keith.