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Welcome to Keith's night, don't 
tread on anyone and the 

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libertarian Institute today, I 
am joined by Nick Bryant. 

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The author of the Franklin 
Scandal. 

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A story of power Brokers, child 
abuse, and betrayal mr. 

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Bryant. 
Where is the best place for 

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people to purchase this book? 
Anywhere where books are sold. 

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You can go on the internet and 
it's a 2495 as Alfred G Newman 

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would say cheap. 
Excellent links to those will be

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in the description below along 
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Bryant's website, mr. 
Brian, can you please walk us 

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through introducing us to the 
Johnny Gosch case and how that 

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introduces us to Paul Benassi? 
What Johnny Gosch was a paper 

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boy? 
That was abducted in 1982 and 

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there were some anomalies with 
his abduction. 

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And his mother certainly didn't 
think that the FBI was was doing

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enough and there were Sightings 
of him or indications that he 

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was still alive after he was 
abducted and then in 1989 kid, 

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who was part of a pedophile 
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And out of Omaha, Nebraska came 
forward and he said that he 

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helped abduct Johnny Gosch and 
it was tangent of the related to

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this network and his name is 
Paul Bonacci and He's an 

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integral part of the Franklin, 
scan of the book that I wrote 

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about the pedophile Network guy 
covered up. 

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So Paul had a lot of stuff to 
say about Johnny Gosch. 

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She felt horrible about what he 
did and what happened to Johnny 

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Gosch, but the FBI and law 
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him because Paul had to be 
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Because he was one of these kids
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Network that the FBI was doing 
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The FBI and Department of 
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their power to cover it up. 
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allotted any credibility and 
ultimately we still don't know 

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what happened to Johnny Gosch. 
How do we know that Paul Bonacci

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is not just doing this for 
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How could Noreen Gosch Johnny's 
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actually telling the truth that 
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contact with Johnny Gosch. 
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This was part of America's Most 
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Paul said that Johnny was being 
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In Colorado next to up like a 
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That looks like an elephant. 
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a chamber underneath the house 
where the kids would be stashed.

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So America's Most Wanted 
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they're going to Colorado. 
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elephant shaped Rock and then 
who was a chamber underneath the

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house and Paul ran up to the 
house and he just broke out and 

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crying. 
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would he know that? 
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a friend of the gotchas who had 
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that Johnny Cash was here, so 
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credible. 
It's interesting, the network 

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that I wrote about the Franklin 
at work, had to be covered up at

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all costs and there was two 
grand, juries and wash it. 

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There's who grand juries in 
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Washington, DC and I don't know 
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know how grand jury works, but 
they're very easy to corrupt. 

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Rancher is a special prosecutor 
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Front to question Grand jurors 
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jurors and Grand. 
Jurors are just people that have

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shown up for jury duty and have 
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So they're just regular ordinary
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And Especial prosecutor is in 
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completely twist their views 
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evidence that they're going to 
see and he calls the witnesses 

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that they're going to hear from.
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that said, special prosecutors 
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A grand jurors that they can get
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A ham sandwich and the state 
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Franklin, did it. 
In fact, I had a ham sandwich. 

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They indicted Alicia Owen on 
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she refused to recant her abuse 
and the grand jury indicted Paul

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Bonacci on three counts of 
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recant his abuse. 
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The state thought that Alicia 
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to convict because Paul had been
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very long time. 
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it, it took three days that that
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days and there was Many that 
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trial was very tainted and 
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the Jury Room that had not been 
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That that implicated Alicia 
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jurors wanted to see Was not 
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So that was an unbelievably 
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And actually the second full day
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a show in which Dan Rather was 
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And he was talking about when 
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good, people are accused of bad 
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from that Network who testified 
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I mean, this is on Nationwide 
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Well Alicia's jury is 
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And and he later submitted an 
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because of FBI pressure. 
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State versus Owen? 
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case? 
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was just going to say when I'm 
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you the things that just go off 
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I'm not an expert here but The 
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specifics, in their story and 
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it's just the, the Johnnie 
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So when it comes to what her 
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network was engaged in, what 
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think Alicia Owens is credible? 
I'm sorry Alicia Owen. well, her

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claims were that there was a 
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were flown out of Omaha and and 
some of the and Harvard she 

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talked about Boys Town. 
Students Boys. 

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Town is that August orphanage 
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part of this pedophile Network. 
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picture though, because a lot of
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where there was a house party 
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blackmail, but at least you 
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been traffic as an adolescent 
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and she had been seriously 
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pedophiles and I have no doubts 
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said is true. 
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and I've never caught her lined.
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with her, she's got a lot of 
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they know that you were saying 
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Bonner, the person that was 
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against her didn't submit an 
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from the FBI forced him to 
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as Alicia and if you look at the
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you'll see that Elisha was Not 
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truth, but she was she was 
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For a fall. 
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phone call between Troy Bonner. 
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were part of this same network 
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conspiracy of Silence. 
The, the, the documentary. 

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They both mentioned the same 
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King who is Lauren cking, Lauren
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So the Franklin Network that I 
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primary pimp so long as Lauren 
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Omaha. 
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Washington DC. 
Warren cking was a big shot 

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Republican and he sang the 
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Republican convention. 
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evil man. 
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responsible. 
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forming. 
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he would, it was getting kids 
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I mean, he'd get kids that fall 
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from Boys Town. 
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A similar institution, but for, 
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president of the girls club. 
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came forward said that she had 
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She was like, 10 years old when 
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child, pornography and child 
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particular Girls Club. 
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then I mean, if you look at the 
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talking about Kings Network, I 
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that mean? 
You've read the book. 

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I mean, it's person after person
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basically say pretty much the 
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I mean, there were some of them 
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but they all basically say the 
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know each other. 
A lot of them didn't because and

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the state. 
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So Alicia on was found guilty on
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state in a concert version by 
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Looking at 200 years, And that 
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be Sanctified, those grand jury 
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no child abuse. 
Like the grand jury with Epstein

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said that there was no child 
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And Alicia had to be found 
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juries. 
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She was part of the longest 
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history and the state, and the 
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They pull out all the stops 
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to make sure that she was found 
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And and then as just to show how
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put Alicia and solitary 
confinement for nearly two 

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And she was a kid at that means 
she was indicted when she was 21

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years old. 
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and 15 years for perjury, which 
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they were sending out to the 
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this network. 
And this was a huge network if 

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you speak up, this is what's 
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What happened to Alicia. 
So, That put a damper and then 

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there were homicides and 
mysterious deaths that very much

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frightened you. 
You have a chapter in the book 

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titled, webs of corruption, who 
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At least Washington was the 
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Kid to come forward, and that 
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Elise was living in foster home 
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the, the web's were the ones 
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they were husband and wife. 
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these kids. 
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these kids with rubber hoses. 
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Them. 
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did to him. 
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social services and then at a 
certain point, the kids the kids

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started to rebel and run away 
and you lease ran away and she 

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was only put into another foster
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And she told her father care 
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What had happened? 
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trust her foster mother and in 
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polygraph that Said that she'd 
been molested by her stepfather 

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or her foster. 
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Gerald web. 
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nothing ever happened to him. 
So, Elise was with her new 

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Foster mother and got to trust 
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And she told her new Foster 
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was running Nationwide, 
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And that she'd been flown to 
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City to be used as part of a 
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Orgy, and that was the first 
documentation that we have of 

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King. 
Basically, molesting children 

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and and all, and also rain a 
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So, or a child abuse Network 
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documentation and then another 
girl came forward, and her name 

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was Shannon Moore. 
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about her earlier, she had been 
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which one is he? 
King was the president of, and 

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she was used in for child 
pornography, and for and sexual 

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abuse. 
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So both these kids came forward 
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Her foster mother went to Julia.
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Boys Town and Julie Walters pen 
to 46 page document on what 

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Uli's had to say and how it was 
corroborated and she gave you 

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lease your books for you least 
could pick out guys, because you

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lease also said that Boystown 
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So, so, she was given books that
your books to pick out People 

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that she could remember that 
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nothing happened. 
Nothing happened. 

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And then Chanel, more came 
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psychiatric hospital. 
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horrific abuse. 
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allegations and nothing happened
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this documentation, you know, 
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pedophile network was centered 
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Federal authorities and and they
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federal authorities. 
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completely flies in the face of.
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someone would have said 
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you can actually see the kids 
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of Silence video, which had a 
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out, who is Rusty Nelson? 
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photographer for Lauren cking 
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operation. 
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being pandered to the elite of 
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Epstein. 
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went on with Carrie, Jeffrey 
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connections, blackmail and 
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of my first interviews and I 
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with me, initially, He had been 
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to what he had to say, but he 
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was able to back up with other 
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suffer from the incredulity that
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One day, I asked him. 
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How does this whole thing work? 
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a yacht. 
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sea is, is calm and and while 
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have anything that you want 
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get off the yacht, the 
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the yacht are going to make sure
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And and that's why I want your 
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incentive to come forward. 
If if If you come forward your 

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career will be destroyed, your 
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You will you live in a mini 
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life? 
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off the eye, who is Gary 
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the foster care review board and
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How the story gets the same as 
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King ran the Franklin Credit 
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socioeconomic people in North 
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credit. 
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audited once a year and King had
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four years and shortly after 
George Herbert. 

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Walker Bush was elected. 
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presidency, the FBI raided the 
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40 million dollars. 
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and ultimately what happened 
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formed a subcommittee to look 
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Why, how is this guy have a link
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Lawrence, he came was running a 
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but as soon as they formed these
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there's there's something else 
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There's a pedophile Network, we 
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completely ignored. 
And I'm sorry territory and what

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happened was, they eventually 
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amazing investment in Gary care,
Dory and Cara, Dory was really, 

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really a great investigator. 
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of things. 
Like, I've got all of your 

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repaired or he's documentation, 
but he got flight receipts. 

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Passenger manifests. 
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He put four of them on videotape
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kids had the other victims have 
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trying very, very hard to 
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because they were having 
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He was uncovering so much stuff 
so on so quickly that they were 

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having problems with the 
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was keeping Pace with your 
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all kinds of incriminating stuff
about that pedophile on that 

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Network in Lawrence you came but
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the hunter had become the hunted
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say that he had scripted the 
child abuse allegations and it 

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was it was it was, it was a lot 
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that the FBI was was trying to 
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Chicago, where he met Steven 
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I was talking about and Rusty, 
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corroboration from for other 
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got pictures, and or 
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Chicago and he had a Cessna and 
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Cessna it blew up and it was 
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and Lee County Illinois and and 
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the investigation shortly. 
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has declared that there was no 
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Gary care Dory. 
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kill one man. 
Sounds a thousand. 

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Well, kill one man, and his son,
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you're going to silence a 
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In 1987, you discuss a US 
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a group referred to, as the 
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know about this group and what 
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existence. 
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This is how I got into this 
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I was I was going to write an 
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For a magazine. 
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occult groups and I came across 
the finders, which was a very 

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strange, a color group and two 
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And six feral kids. 
That the two adults were finders

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in the six, Farrell kids belong 
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Tallahassee Florida. 
They were at a park and some 

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concerned citizens called the 
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look right. 
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Finders on multiple counts of 
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doctor. 
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have been sexually abused so, 
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involved. 
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pornography and the u.s. customs
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executed search warrants on the 
warehouse of the finders. 

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They had known about the finders
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previously confident murder 
investigation so that they 

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didn't have enough evidence to 
go after the finders. 

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But yeah, they knew about the 
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Is because of that murder 
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raided the finders warehouses, 
they find all kinds of stuff and

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this is 1987, but there were 
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people to move the children 
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and keep them moving to lady. 
So, there are obviously more 

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children involved than just 
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about purchasing, two children, 
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passports, that had been used to
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like Russia and China, which 
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War. 
It wasn't common for people to 

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go to Russia or China X 
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a very strange call. 
So what happened was these two 

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fighters were indicted on 
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child abuse. 
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the CIA told the US Customs and 
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in d.c. to stand down And that's
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world. 
It was like 21 years ago. 

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I thought to myself I kind of 
thought I knew how the world 

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work. but after that, why would 
the CIA, which has no Authority 

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whatsoever in the United States 
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Why would they quash an 
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nefarious people that were 
abusing children? 

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And that's what ultimately 
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Franklin Scandal because I saw 
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it in Omaha. 
And that's why ultimately went 

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to Omaha and started to 
investigate In the amazing thing

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is, it's also the FBI. 
If you watch who took Johnny, 

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the 2014 documentary that came 
out on Netflix. 

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Also can be found online. 
You have the FBI getting 

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interviewed a number of FBI 
agents and they're like, why 

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didn't you interview this guy? 
Paul Benassi who was saying, he 

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actually took Johnny Gosch. 
What is what? 

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What's up with this? 
And I said, well, what we're 

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looking into it and we haven't 
made a A decision or some of 

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them say well we can't determine
with absolute certainty is 

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credibility as if that standard 
could be held to any one and 

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then the other guy from the FBI 
they go. 

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What is the latest update on the
Johnny Gosch case? 

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And then the assistant says 
there's not going to be any 

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questions about Johnny Gosch. 
I mean, it's almost like you're 

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watching a cartoon. 
Like, if this were like a James 

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Patterson novel, you'd say, 
well, this is too ridiculous. 

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So this is obviously fiction by 
a bad writer, but it's right in 

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your face and It's unreal. 
The person who introduced me to 

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this was a guy named John de 
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What are some of the big things 
that could be learned from the 

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research of John de Kamp? 
Well, John de Kamp, basically 

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had all the documentation that 
was generated by the the Senate 

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subcommittee and also by Gary 
territory. 

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So he wrote a book and we're 
using the same documentation 

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mine. 
I spent seven years on my book 

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and John really, I mean John was
able to prove that there was a 

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ring and you and in Omaha and he
alluded to the fact that they 

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might be using a boy's town that
there might be blackmail 

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involved that they might be 
flying the kids to Washington, 

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d.c. 
It was alluded to, but really he

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didn't really, I feel make the 
journalistic standards that such

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an allegation required. 
So that's why I spent those 

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years and I was able to show 
that kids were, in fact, taken 

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out of boy's town. 
And I was able to show that kids

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were flown to Washington DC and 
that there was a CIA asset in 

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Craig Spence, who owned a house.
It was where for audio-visual 

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black And I was able to talk to 
some of the players there. 

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So With a lot of effort on my on
my part, I was able to prove a 

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lot of stuff that John implied 
was Rusty. 

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Nelson, the source for saying 
that Craig Spence's Washington. 

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D.c. location was wired with 
cameras for blackmail. 

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Okay so we've got Rusty saying 
it, we've got the Washington 

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Times saying it. 
We've got Paul Bonacci saying 

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that and Gary territory had 
actually died a link between 

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Spence and King. 
So there's a lot there's a lot 

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there as far as drummer Asian. 
Oh, and we also get it from 

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Henry. 
Vincent who is running an escort

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service, a gay escort service so
there's tons of corroboration. 

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that you're that Larry King or 
Lauren cking and Craig Spencer 

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running a pedophile Network and 
that there was blackmail 

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involved and that there was that
they had intelligence 

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connections, In Tim Tate's 
movie, The Conspiracy of 

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Silence, he mentions the name, 
Craig Spence. 

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He also mentions the name, Alan 
bear and Peter, sit room of the 

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Omaha World. 
Herald newspaper a columnist. 

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Do you have any info on those 
two individuals? 

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Well, they were both kind of 
files and the guy that ran the 

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Omaha World. 
Herald was Harold Anderson and 

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he was a pedophile. 
He like young boys. 

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I mean under 10 and Peter 
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He was when he was like the star
columnist at the Omaha World 

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here. 
So and that's one of the things 

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you had the Omaha World-Herald 
discrediting, these kids and 

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discrediting the investigation 
because the guy that ran the 

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Omaha World, Herald was a 
pedophile and it's truly 

453
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:53,900
unfortunate and then people in 
the mainstream media outside of 

454
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:58,300
Omaha took their lead and just 
started discrediting the kids. 

455
00:31:58,300 --> 00:32:02,400
I mean had Anybody really dug 
into this, they would have seen 

456
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:08,300
that something was rotten and, 
and that a lot of kids had been 

457
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:12,900
abused, but our mainstream media
wasn't willing to do that. 

458
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:16,800
They just were willing to do. 
Hatchet jobs on Alicia Owen, and

459
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:21,500
Lauren Schmidt, who headed the 
Franklin committee on the most 

460
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:24,500
innocent vulnerable. 
People who have no institutional

461
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:28,600
power, it's that it's just one 
of the saddest stories who were 

462
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:34,100
The most prominent names that 
were involved in in this ring. 

463
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:41,900
Well the ones that I've told you
we're definitely involved. 

464
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,200
There were a number of people in
Washington d.c. that were 

465
00:32:47,200 --> 00:33:01,200
involved that We have pretty 
lofty positions but that's 

466
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:07,600
source that I that I use for 
that he doesn't you know he it's

467
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,900
like there's one person that's 
saying that and this is Henry 

468
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:16,400
Vincent and he was taken down. 
What happened with Henry is he 

469
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,700
was writing this escort service 
and Spray expanse. 

470
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,600
One of The pedophilic Pimps 
certain to spend twenty five 

471
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,900
thousand dollars a month on gay 
escorts from his escort service 

472
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:34,700
and and he had met King and 
Spence together a number of 

473
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:44,200
times and Spence. 
Let Henry in. on who was getting

474
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:50,300
compromised and what happened 
there was Henry was sitting next

475
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:58,900
to King and spans and Spence was
like a sociopath Coke addict and

476
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:03,900
a pedophile and just had seismic
narcissism and they were sitting

477
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:09,600
together and Spence started to 
ask Henry about his life where 

478
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,300
he grew up and where he went to 
college and things like that. 

479
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:17,900
And Harry had never seen Spence 
concerned for another individual

480
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:21,800
before. 
It was like, it was like Henry 

481
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,900
was watching the Red Sea being 
parted and so Henry, and then 

482
00:34:26,900 --> 00:34:31,600
spends ask him about his escort 
service and, and, and the 

483
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,500
machinations of his escort 
service. 

484
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,300
And, and then whenever he had 
finished, all that Spence got up

485
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:43,199
and wait, him over to the this 
closet, and he'd open the 

486
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,100
closet. 
And then behind the closet was a

487
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:49,699
secret panel. 
And then In the past, there was 

488
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:54,000
a hidden room that was filled 
with monitors and Spence, hit a 

489
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,600
couple of buttons and there's 
Henry talking about his escort 

490
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:04,100
service. 
So, That's and strength 

491
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:07,900
basically said to him blackmail 
people and consider yourself 

492
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:10,600
Black Milk and that's how that 
works. 

493
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:17,300
But Henry, Nose of a lot of 
names that were a part of that 

494
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:21,700
network. 
But it's his word against these 

495
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:26,800
guys who are high in stature, 
that have basically 

496
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,200
cabinet-level type people that 
have governed our country. 

497
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,400
And when it comes to 
credibility, I believe, Harry, 

498
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,100
absolutely, but it would be very
easy for the media to pick 

499
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:43,000
apart, so that because some of 
the names are just so. 

500
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,500
You like with them still like 
like what we've seen with that 

501
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:48,900
soon? 
Yeah, with Epstein. 

502
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:53,600
You have the president of 
America Clinton, you then have 

503
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,200
him with Donald Trump, which is 
not as tied at the, it wasn't on

504
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,800
the island necessarily like 
Clinton was. 

505
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:03,500
And then you have the prime 
minister of Israel, a hood 

506
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:06,700
Barack coming out of his 
Manhattan residents, like 

507
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:10,800
holding the coat over his face. 
It's just unbelievable Thor. 

508
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:21,300
You know, prince Andrew. 
Of course, obviously, much like 

509
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:30,000
the And Craig Spence who I'm 
talking about, it was in 

510
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,900
Washington DC with the house. 
It was wired for audio-visual 

511
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:37,400
blackmail, he ultimately 
committed suicide. 

512
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,800
And on the internet, it said 
that he was suicide but he had 

513
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,300
AIDS. 
And he had a runaway Coke habit 

514
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:49,800
and I think that the that 
malignant pocket of intelligence

515
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,300
that he worked for that black 
males people said Said to him, 

516
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:57,700
you know, either you can kill 
yourself or we can kill you and 

517
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:02,400
I think that he he died at the 
Boston Ritz he was wearing a 

518
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:08,300
tuxedo and he took an overdose 
of tripling which is an 

519
00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:13,400
antidepressant now. 
King he was scooped up off the 

520
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,700
streets of Omaha by the Secret 
Service and taken to a 

521
00:37:16,707 --> 00:37:19,200
psychiatric facility in 
Springfield. 

522
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,000
Missouri. 
And he was diagnosed as 

523
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,000
delusional. 
Well the two grand juries were 

524
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,900
going on and then once the grand
juries were doubting then he 

525
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:33,300
suddenly regained his sanity and
he ultimately did ten years for 

526
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:37,300
financial fraud. 
He didn't there wasn't one kind 

527
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:41,600
of child abuse against him and 
your listeners. 

528
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,500
Can go to my podcast and look at
the Franklin. 

529
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:51,200
Scanted Revisited to stop a 
predator and And King is tried 

530
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,800
to inveigle himself since he's 
gotten out of prison, he's tried

531
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,500
to. 
He had a no-show job and then 

532
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:59,200
he's in big old himself and 
organizations that would give 

533
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,700
him access to children. 
And I'm had him kicked out of 

534
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:04,100
those three organizations. 
I've conscripted people and 

535
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:08,100
we've had him kicked out of 
those three organizations on 

536
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:10,600
page 27. 
You mentioned that Paul Benassi 

537
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:17,700
and Rusty Nelson named the same 
intelligence officer was that 

538
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,800
Michael Aquino? 
Yes. 

539
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:28,200
You had mentioned Rusty, Nelson 
had a number of incriminating 

540
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,300
pictures. 
Do you have any idea of how 

541
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,900
these of how these things are 
done? 

542
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:37,200
In the sense of? 
I mean, I'm just trying to think

543
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,700
how this guy could have, you 
know, gone to these parties or 

544
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:45,400
are all of them hidden cameras 
or is he actually a 

545
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,200
photographer. 
Because if someone's a 

546
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,800
photographer at one of these 
events, you would think that, 

547
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,900
you know, someone would say Is 
this guy taken pictures? 

548
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:57,000
We need to have this guy whacked
immediately where he was 

549
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,600
rejected. 
He was part of the network and 

550
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:05,300
he would take pictures from the 
hip. 

551
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,600
I mean, Rusty is a smart guy and
he can be very clandestine. 

552
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,900
So, but he was ultimately 
protected by the network is 

553
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:17,500
protected because the network 
the police, the kids named the 

554
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:20,100
police chief as being one of the
pedophiles. 

555
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:26,100
So the the police were 
compromised, the the FBI was up 

556
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:29,700
to covered up and so is the 
Department of Justice. 

557
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,100
So Rusty had all this Our that 
was protecting him so he could 

558
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:39,000
basically do whatever he wanted.
And feel the network was folded 

559
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,600
up and then he was told to get 
out of town and he was 

560
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,400
ultimately busted for child. 
Pornography wish he'd been doing

561
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,300
for quite some time, but because
he was protected at that point, 

562
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,800
he just, you know, he could do 
whatever he wanted to do. 

563
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:01,800
We saw that in the initial Palm 
Beach report for Jeffrey, 

564
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,400
Epstein. 
I think it was in 2006. 

565
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,500
Even though anna-marie farmer 
had complained to the FBI in 

566
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:11,600
1996. 
Didn't he get in trouble in 2006

567
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,700
where he got that sweetheart 
deal? 

568
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:18,400
Yes, I'm Stephen Franklin are 
very, very similar. 

569
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:23,700
Maria farmer, went to the FBI 
1996 and she was completely 

570
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:29,900
ignored And then in 2005 a 
fourteen-year-old told her 

571
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:34,000
mother and father that she had 
been molested by Jeffrey 

572
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,600
Epstein. 
And they went to the Omaha or 

573
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:42,200
the Palm Beach Police Department
and and the police are just now,

574
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,300
in Jeffrey Epstein, is that 
billionaire philanthropic type? 

575
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,200
And But he, but she was able to 
describe his anatomy and 

576
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,800
described his house. 
So they believed her and they 

577
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,600
start an investigation into they
have a steam and they were 

578
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,200
aware, they had the statements 
of five Miners and but they were

579
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,700
aware of 17 other Miners. 
And actually the federal 

580
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:10,400
government at that point, was 
aware of 34 miners that had to 

581
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,700
die that obscene have molested. 
I'm staying at all, had molested

582
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:21,600
and Ultimately happened, was 
Alexander a constant. 

583
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:27,300
The US attorney was, told not to
prosecute king or not to 

584
00:41:27,308 --> 00:41:31,600
prosecute Epstein because 
Epstein was foreign Court 

585
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,200
intelligence. 
So and emceeing, the same thing.

586
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:41,000
His homes all had hidden cameras
and his house in New York City. 

587
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:44,900
His Mansion in New York City had
like one of those little rooms 

588
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:46,900
were, there's all kinds of 
monitors. 

589
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,200
And there were men as in plural 
monitoring the monitors and the,

590
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,200
the monitor showed the bedrooms,
and the bathrooms of all the 

591
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,100
bedrooms, bathrooms and the 
house. 

592
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:00,600
So, there's a lot of 
similarities and there was a 

593
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,900
grand jury that was called the, 
the police were just felt, like,

594
00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:08,900
everything should have been 
charged with five counts of 

595
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:12,700
child abuse. 
But that was taken away from 

596
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:16,100
them that cat case and given to 
a grand jury and grand juries in

597
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:19,400
Florida, are Never called and 
less. 

598
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,300
It are generally never cause 
unless it's a capital offense, 

599
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:27,900
so that was pretty fishy and 
itself and ultimately that grand

600
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:31,200
jury, it'll the guy who very 
Christian, who prosecuted that 

601
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,300
grand jury only called. 
One of those victims, they knew 

602
00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:40,100
of 23 victims but at that point,
they only called one of the 

603
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:43,600
victims and that grand jury 
conclude that Jeffrey. 

604
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,800
Epstein had not molested a 
single child. 

605
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,100
So again, you The grand jury, 
how corrupt the grand jury 

606
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:54,400
process can be. 
When it comes to evidence for 

607
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,000
blackmail because this is just 
so incredible to me, is the 

608
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,700
evidence for that Maria farmer 
and Virginia Roberts. 

609
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:07,000
What is the primary evidence 
that FC was running? 

610
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,000
A blackmail operation, where 
he'd get evidence of these acts 

611
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,300
taking place on camera. 
Well, I mean, anytime you've got

612
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:22,700
all of your other rooms in your 
house has, I mean, the island 

613
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:24,200
was wired for Autumn, is your 
black now. 

614
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,300
So if you went to any events 
teens places that were hidden 

615
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:34,700
cameras and he was working for 
intelligence, so and 

616
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:37,900
intelligence that are some dark 
malignant corner of 

617
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,400
intelligence. 
And that's what they do. 

618
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,900
Is they blackmail people? 
and, That's how our democracy is

619
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:50,700
co-opted because of blackmail. 
But as far as what evidence 

620
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:55,200
there is that these cameras 
existed is it were the testimony

621
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:02,600
of Roberts and farmer with the 
house in Palm Beach. 

622
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:08,300
The police found hidden cameras.
That's right with the house and 

623
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:11,600
Washington d.c. 
Maria farmer. 

624
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:18,100
And Virginia gu free Roberts 
found that there were cameras, 

625
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:24,800
hidden cameras and Vanity. 
Fair ran an article which 

626
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,200
talking about the island being 
wired for audio-visual blackmail

627
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:35,100
to and what people miss about, 
this is Jeffrey Epstein in and 

628
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:38,000
Of himself could not have, like,
no people. 

629
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,400
He was a College Dropout from 
going from essentially, a blue 

630
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,700
collar family in Coney Island. 
There's no way that Jeffrey 

631
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:50,600
Epstein could have blackmailed 
the people in the black book. 

632
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,100
I put the black book on the 
internet. 

633
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:57,100
In 2015, by the way, you can 
Google Nick Ryan, Crocker black 

634
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:01,100
book and get a see a copy of the
black book that the numbers are 

635
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:03,000
redacted. 
But there's, there's also a lot 

636
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:08,200
of victims and That are in the 
Blackboard, but anytime you have

637
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,400
that type of dynamic, there's 
there's there's going to be 

638
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,700
blackmailed. 
And the thing about Jeffrey, 

639
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:16,800
Epstein is he was a Dropout, a 
College Dropout. 

640
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,900
He had really, no power 
whatsoever. 

641
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:25,800
And if you look at the guys in 
the black work, there's some of 

642
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,200
the most powerful men in the 
world. 

643
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,200
I mean, if they have been head 
of countries, so there's no way 

644
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,900
that Jeffrey. 
Epstein could blackmail those 

645
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:38,100
guys by himself. 
They just have obscene hit and 

646
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,800
really good article. 
I wrote I believe it's a good 

647
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,800
article. 
I wrote for sure. 

648
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,300
Post on the Jeffrey have seen 
Saga. 

649
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:50,200
I showed that less Wexner had 
big-time ties to the mafia. 

650
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,000
He was actually implicated. 
I was able to get a homicide 

651
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,600
report that implicated him in a 
homicide and also implicated him

652
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,800
as being part of her. 
Having connections to the 

653
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,300
Genovese crime family and 
someone who did all the 

654
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:08,300
trucking. 
For him, was an appendage of the

655
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:12,700
Genovese crime family. 
So if Epstein was blackmailing 

656
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:17,100
less Wexner, less Wexner, could 
just call up his buddies in the 

657
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,600
Genovese crime, family and say, 
you know, I mean, this guy's 

658
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,800
bother me. 
Let's, let's Brigham. 

659
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:27,600
But if he knows that there's a 
organization behind Epstein, 

660
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,000
that will seek retribution and 
he's been told that this 

661
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,600
organization will seek 
retribution. 

662
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:38,300
I've seen him blackmailing, but 
he wants because he's just a, 

663
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:40,500
he's just a cog in the whole 
blackmail process. 

664
00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:43,800
Much, much like King and Spence 
were in the Franklin scam. 

665
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:48,000
I'm trying to remember the name.
I think it's something like 

666
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,900
black bird or something. 
There's a general name for a 

667
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:59,100
woman who's hired by Russian 
intelligence to sleep with with 

668
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:03,100
foreign officials in order to 
get information out of them they

669
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:04,600
otherwise wouldn't have access 
to. 

670
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:07,600
Are you familiar with this 
actually being a practice by 

671
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,000
people like Ellie Cohen who went
to Syria who was working for 

672
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,400
Israeli intelligence that are 
you familiar with other 

673
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,700
countries? 
Engage in this exact same thing.

674
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,900
I mean, sexual political 
blackmail is probably as old as 

675
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:27,900
politics itself. 
People say that politics is the 

676
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:31,200
oldest profession. 
When I say people say that 

677
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,900
prostitution was is the world's 
oldest profession. 

678
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:37,200
Probably politics is the oldest 
profession because people had to

679
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,200
have power and then they got 
were able to indulge in 

680
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,700
prostitutes. 
So this has been going on 

681
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:46,800
forever. 
His accounts of the CI 

682
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,100
blackmailing people there's 
accounts of the KGB, 

683
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:52,100
blackmailing people, but other 
countries have blackmail people.

684
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:54,200
I'll give you a couple of 
examples. 

685
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,700
Dennis hastert was Speaker of 
the House for seven years. 

686
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,100
And he was known as a strong arm
specialist. 

687
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:05,700
I mean, you did and 
constitutional, he was, he was 

688
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:12,500
the third most powerful man in 
the country and he had predatory

689
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:18,200
behavior with minors, boys going
back for years. 

690
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:24,400
And sibel Edmonds who was a FBI 
whistleblower talking about the 

691
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,000
FBI being aware of hamsters 
Shadow life. 

692
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:33,700
So he had had predations going 
back for years, and the FBI was 

693
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:37,900
aware that he was a predator and
he was unscathed. 

694
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,100
Well, he was speaker of the 
house and he was really gung-ho 

695
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:47,700
on getting those Wars going. 
And he's really integral in the 

696
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:54,600
build-up to the To the Iraq War.
It was a it was a very important

697
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,700
player as as was by Frank. 
For the Democrats. 

698
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:04,600
So Dennis hastert to me is an 
example of someone who's being 

699
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,500
bike and he was actually being 
blackmailed by one of his 

700
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,800
victims and the FBI stepped in 
and busted hastur for making on 

701
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,900
some kind of monetary charges, 
and they didn't bust the victim.

702
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:20,800
That was blackmailing him. 
Now, the FBI could have easily 

703
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,500
stepped in and busted the victim
that was blackmailing him. 

704
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,700
But they decided must have 
stirred and I Bastard for some 

705
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:31,000
reason, decided to get off the 
yacht. 

706
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:34,200
That that metaphorical yacht 
that I talked about earlier in 

707
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,800
the show. 
I think he got too greedy. 

708
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,700
I think he's crying told not 
because he was making millions 

709
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:43,300
and millions of dollars off his 
lobbying efforts and and then 

710
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:47,100
here's another one. 
Larry Craig hardcore 

711
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:50,200
conservative from Idaho, Family 
Values guy. 

712
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,500
He'd been in Washington DC for 
nearly 25 years first as a 

713
00:49:54,508 --> 00:50:00,600
representative from Idaho. 
And then, As a senator and he 

714
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,900
had I think the worst record of 
voting against gay rights of 

715
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:07,800
anybody in the Senate. 
Meanwhile, he was getting gay 

716
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,200
escorts from Henry Vinson who I 
wrote a book with called, 

717
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,900
Confessions of a d.c. 
Madam the politics of Sex Lies 

718
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:17,400
with blackmail and then he was. 
And then there was a documentary

719
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:22,000
meant by Kirby dick called 
outrage, that show that Craig 

720
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,900
was getting project, no 
prostitutes from other sources 

721
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,100
as well. 
And then he's Take that baby. 

722
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,900
This is a u.s. senator. 
He's picked up in a bathroom for

723
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:35,500
trying to pick up a vice squad 
cop. 

724
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:39,400
So and this is a u.s. senator 
whose libido is completely out 

725
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:40,800
of control. 
How could that guy not be 

726
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,600
compromised? 
There's no way that he could be 

727
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,700
in Washington DC for 25 years 
and not be compromised. 

728
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:53,000
Have you looked into the 
silicone case at all? 

729
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:55,200
Yeah, I know a little bit about 
it. 

730
00:50:57,100 --> 00:51:01,500
Do, did you come across that, 
but when researching that did 

731
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:06,200
you see that as a blackmail 
operation as well, or was that 

732
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:11,000
just a military operation that 
got into parties but was never 

733
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,400
about blackmail. 
It's hard to say I, you know, I 

734
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,300
know about that story but I'm 
not an expert on it. 

735
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,900
I have not done any research on 
it, I've not written about it so

736
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:29,500
I would be very difficult, okay.
Megan you co-wrote a book with 

737
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:32,600
Henry, W Vinson, Confessions of 
a d.c. 

738
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,300
Madam the politics of Sex Lies 
and blackmail. 

739
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,000
If you had to explain this story
to us, what do we need to know 

740
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,800
about the story? 
the big players and what this 

741
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:49,200
General operation consisted of 
Well, the thing is, it's kind of

742
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,200
that book is kind of an 
extension of the Franklin 

743
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:56,400
Scandal because Henry was 
dealing with King and spans were

744
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,700
part of the, the two primary 
pimps in the Franklin Co Henry 

745
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:05,400
was a mortician who through a 
number of very strange 

746
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,000
circumstances ended up owning a 
escort service, a gay, escort 

747
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,400
service. 
And as I said earlier, Spence 

748
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,000
was spending twenty five 
thousand dollars a month on 

749
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:20,300
escorts. 
Just Henry Vincent and Henry got

750
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:22,900
involved with these people. 
He had no idea that he was me 

751
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:29,700
making a Faustian pact with. 
He just he Henry Was Naive. 

752
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:34,500
He's from West Virginia buying 
an escort service was just kind 

753
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:39,000
of a win for him. 
So when he met Craig Spencer and

754
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,200
Lauren cking, he had no idea 
what he was getting into. 

755
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:47,500
But as I said earlier, they 
spent blackmailed Henry. 

756
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:54,600
And and this thing blew up, I 
mean, because of the Washington 

757
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,700
Times reporting on it, what the 
Washington is reporting that 

758
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,200
Spence was blackmailing people 
that Spencer was taking 

759
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,100
midnight. 
Tours the White House with 

760
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,900
called boys. 
There were there were a number 

761
00:53:07,900 --> 00:53:11,000
of stories and those stories 
were actually nominated for a 

762
00:53:11,008 --> 00:53:13,300
Pulitzer Prize, but the 
Washington Times is owned by the

763
00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:15,500
Moonies, although it was amazing
reporting. 

764
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:19,500
The New York Times. 
Washington Post in the LA Times 

765
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:23,800
got together and kicked the 
Washington Times to the side of 

766
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,600
the road, which they've been 
known to do with other 

767
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:34,000
Publications that Our 
politically correct with them. 

768
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:39,100
I'll put it that way. 
So Henry was ultimately and this

769
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:44,200
is kind of an interesting Henry 
was just running as I mean, he 

770
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,900
was just running an escort 
service and he was indicted on a

771
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:53,100
RICO 4343 count, Rico 
indictment, and he was looking 

772
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:57,300
at two hundred ninety five years
in prison, and the government 

773
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:01,400
said to him, Henry, you've seen 
a lot of stuff. 

774
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:05,700
If you keep your mouth shut will
give you five or six years but 

775
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:08,000
if you open, your mouth will put
you away for the rest of your 

776
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,500
life. 
So that's how Henry was 

777
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:13,300
leveraged with. 
He was looking at 295 years. 

778
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:18,400
It's incredible because we even 
have documents from these 

779
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,700
intelligence agencies on. 
I'm trying to remember the year.

780
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,900
I think it was in 1963. 
There's actually a CIA 

781
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:30,500
assassination manual where they 
talk about how you can do such 

782
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:32,100
things and how you can get away 
with them. 

783
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:36,900
Then they did them in 1961 with 
Patrice lumumba. 

784
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,000
They had a couple hits out on 
Castro, some in Indonesia and as

785
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,500
well as Vietnam. 
So it's like we have the exact 

786
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:47,700
documents a study in 
assassination. 

787
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:50,500
And people still think, well 
assassinations don't really 

788
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,500
exist or solemn oniy was what 
was assassinated not that he's 

789
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,100
involved in any of this? 
The point is that people will 

790
00:54:57,100 --> 00:55:00,400
not believe that there are these
assassination. 

791
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:03,900
Operations that exist? 
Even when it's right there, 

792
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,100
right in front of their face, 
how is it that with so much 

793
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:09,800
evidence? 
The media is still able to cover

794
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,000
it up. 
Well, I mean, the thing was 

795
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,100
sexual Male 2. 
I mean, there's all kinds of 

796
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:20,400
sexual blackmail in Washington, 
DC, and we, and every District 

797
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,200
or time. 
I think a lot of people in the 

798
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,800
media are probably compromised 
too, and a lot of it comes down 

799
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,400
to America. 
America, Americans cognitive 

800
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,600
dissonance. 
I saw this initially when I was 

801
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,800
pushing the Franklin Scandal, I 
would pitch it to an editor and 

802
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,700
they would eventually that would
be interested in their eyes. 

803
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:43,300
And their eyes are just go 
blank. 

804
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,700
And basically, what was going on
in their mind was Nick, Brian is

805
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:51,600
pitching us, a horrific story 
and we need to help him because 

806
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,600
all these child children have 
been molested with impunity or 

807
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,500
McBride is crazy, and then I 
don't have to do anything. 

808
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,600
So and Americans are faced with 
this cognitive dissonance. 

809
00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:08,500
I mean probably daily ER, very 
frequently. 

810
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:11,900
Were they don't want to believe 
the worst things about their 

811
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:15,800
young. 
Like the assassinations like 

812
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,500
political blackmail. 
Like, I mean with Epstein. 

813
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:23,000
I mean he was trafficking little
girls to people. 

814
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:29,400
We know who they are, or we know
who a bunch of them are and The 

815
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,200
media did nothing. 
The media wrote kicked up 

816
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,200
salacious dirt on abstain and 
his buddies but that was about 

817
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,800
it. 
They there was no call for 

818
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,900
Augustus. 
All these girls were molested 

819
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:44,500
with impunity and some of them 
were served up two, very 

820
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:49,800
sadistic pedophiles and that was
that, you know, only going 

821
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,200
Maxwell or obscene to. 
But Glenn Maxwell was indicted. 

822
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,100
We know who bunch of those pimps
were the New York Times wrote an

823
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:00,400
article naming. 
Them and we know who bunch of 

824
00:57:00,408 --> 00:57:05,000
the perps are but our government
is not willing to do that. 

825
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:11,500
And for and the media has not 
shown any outrage and 

826
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:14,600
anti-trafficking groups haven't 
shown any outrage. 

827
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:19,500
So these poor kids that were 
molested with impunity. 

828
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:23,200
No one is no one is going to bat
for them. 

829
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,300
It's I just find it kind of 
mind-boggling. 

830
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:34,100
Have you ever seen the Wikileaks
document that was an email from 

831
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:37,500
Marina Abramovic to Tony? 
Podesta saying? 

832
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:40,400
I am so looking forward to the 
spirit cooking dinner at my 

833
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,400
place. 
Do you think you'll be able to 

834
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,500
let me know if your brother was 
going? 

835
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,200
Are you familiar with that? 
I'm familiar with it. 

836
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:54,100
I I looked into Pizza gate and I
couldn't really, I thought I had

837
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:59,400
a lead but it actually went 
nowhere so I'm agnostic. 

838
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,900
I'm generally agnostic on things
until I know until I check them 

839
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:07,700
out. 
I studied philosophy in college 

840
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:11,600
and that's how Socrates was in 
his one of my philosophic 

841
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,600
heroes. 
So so I try to be agnostic about

842
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,500
things. 
I don't know if anything ever 

843
00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:20,500
happened with with with pizza 
gate. 

844
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,700
Like I said, I couldn't find any
evidence of it. 

845
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:25,900
That doesn't mean that there 
isn't evidence of that but that 

846
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:28,700
I just I don't, I don't know me,
I'm in ghaziabad. 

847
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,900
Yeah, I remember seeing a video 
of a guy who was very worked up.

848
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:38,500
He goes to the he goes to 
comment and he's like why won't 

849
00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:41,000
you let anyone inside? 
And then they let the guy 

850
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,300
inside. 
I mean, you can always say, 

851
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:45,800
well, this was an obvious setup.
I mean it just doesn't look like

852
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,300
like it's there. 
That doesn't mean those emails. 

853
00:58:48,500 --> 00:58:50,800
Not very damning. 
It just doesn't mean that 

854
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,300
they're it was done through this
specific, Pizza organization. 

855
00:58:55,500 --> 00:59:00,400
Yes, like I said, I Agnostic 
about it. 

856
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,600
I very dubious of Q. 
And I actually I think you and I

857
00:59:04,607 --> 00:59:09,600
ought is There's no evidence, 
but they can never falsify any 

858
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,000
of their plans. 
Thank you. 

859
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,600
Anton, is all bullshit. 
I mean, if Donald Trump is going

860
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,100
to save the children, all those 
have steam perps, who have been 

861
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:20,900
arrested while he just leaned, 
Maxwell is in prison. 

862
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,100
And so, a lot of people want to 
know if she's going to turn in 

863
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:26,700
powerful people, and I know you 
talked in the past about prince 

864
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:30,300
Andrew and you criticize Bill 
Clinton's behavior. 

865
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:32,600
I'm wondering. 
Do you feel that she's going to 

866
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,400
turn in powerful men? 
Have you see that working out? 

867
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:36,600
I don't know. 
I haven't really been. 

868
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,500
Following it too much. 
I just wish her. 

869
00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:42,000
Well, frankly, I've met her 
numerous times over the years, 

870
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,200
especially since I lived in Palm
Beach and I guess they lived in 

871
00:59:45,207 --> 00:59:47,000
Palm Beach. 
But I wish her. 

872
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,300
Well, whatever it is. 
I don't know the situation with 

873
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:54,300
prince, Andrew just don't know 
not aware of it was when he was 

874
00:59:54,300 --> 00:59:55,700
president. 
Now, here's something that's 

875
00:59:55,700 --> 00:59:57,400
kind of interesting between 
Epstein. 

876
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:02,700
And also, Franklin is William 
bar was the attorney general for

877
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:06,400
Bush one who helped up, who 
helped cover up Franklin. 

878
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:09,400
And it's also the attorney 
general for Donald Trump who 

879
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,700
helped cover up Epstein. 
So William bar has his nasty 

880
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:18,600
little paws. 
And both these pedophile Network

881
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:24,300
cover-ups, which I think is kind
of interesting and was Robert 

882
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:25,700
Maxwell. 
Who was gawain's? 

883
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:28,100
Father, was he an intelligence 
agent? 

884
01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:32,200
Yeah, I mean it's pretty much I 
mean that's pretty much proven 

885
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:34,100
by a number of different 
sources. 

886
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:36,200
That Max was definitely an 
intelligent agent. 

887
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:41,100
And then just one more that I 
had here, have you done any 

888
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:45,600
research on the Bohemian Grove 
and found anything damning 

889
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,200
there? 
Or is it possible? 

890
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,600
That is just a boys club where 
they do bizarre things. 

891
01:00:53,000 --> 01:01:00,100
A human girl pretty bizarre. 
They've got that ceremony The 

892
01:01:00,100 --> 01:01:03,800
Cremation of care and which they
burn an effigy and moloch, who 

893
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,100
is the god that you would 
sacrifice children to that. 

894
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:16,100
Whole thing is pretty bizarre. 
I've been told that there A lot 

895
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:21,800
of the midna lacking out at 
Bohemian Grove, but I have not 

896
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,700
investigated it. 
I have not written about it, so,

897
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,700
I'm just not in a position to 
comment on, and that's what I 

898
01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:35,200
love about your researcher. 
So, humble in in the places that

899
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:36,800
that you just haven't gotten 
into. 

900
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:39,400
We have to specialize in focus 
on some things. 

901
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:44,600
So, my final takeaway is what 
can parents do to find the 

902
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,100
balance between Giving their 
kids enough freedom to grow and 

903
01:01:48,100 --> 01:01:50,100
keeping them. 
Safe, what have you come across 

904
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:51,800
in your research? 
Well. 

905
01:01:54,300 --> 01:02:02,900
Our society is very, very still 
naive, according to the CDC one,

906
01:02:02,900 --> 01:02:07,700
and four minor girls is going to
be molested and that's a 

907
01:02:07,700 --> 01:02:13,800
conservative number. 
But but the CDC says 25% of the 

908
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,200
girls miners in this country are
going to be in the lasted. 

909
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:22,600
So, we're talking millions and 
millions of women have been 

910
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,600
Good. 
My belief is that. 

911
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:34,700
We have this Epstein Network and
we know who the perps are. 

912
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:39,600
We cannot let America just for 
the sake of its own spiritual 

913
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:49,600
existence cannot let this slide 
and it just cannot and I wrote 

914
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,700
emails through a number of anti 
trafficking groups. 

915
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:56,100
And one woman wrote me back and 
saying, well I've seen is so 

916
01:02:56,100 --> 01:03:01,300
ambiguous and I I said 
ambiguous, you know, we know 

917
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,700
these are, you know, curves and 
these are the pictures. 

918
01:03:04,700 --> 01:03:07,100
There's nothing ambiguous about 
Jeffrey Epstein and then she 

919
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:11,700
didn't return my email which I'm
used to but now but I really 

920
01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:20,700
think that if our government 
gets away with this We'll be one

921
01:03:20,700 --> 01:03:25,000
step closer to spiritual death 
as a country if we're not there 

922
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,400
already. 
The book is the Franklin 

923
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,000
Scandal. 
A story of power Brokers, child,

924
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,600
abuse and betrayal links will be
in the description below, mr. 

925
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,500
Brian, thank you so much for 
your time, sir, and your 

926
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,900
research. 
Thank you so much and I'm glad 

927
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:41,900
to be on your show.