1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,000 Many critics of the free-market, criticized it for consisting of 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,500 greedy, envious dog-eat-dog mentalities and short-sighted 3 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:10,000 decision makers. The problem with all of these 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,400 criticisms is that they apply many times over to the 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,900 government since one cannot opt out of funding them. 6 00:00:16,100 --> 00:00:19,200 And the government does not face competition said, another way 7 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:22,700 while voluntarily funded competing organizations may have 8 00:00:22,700 --> 00:00:25,900 shortcomings, they are preferable to the coercively 9 00:00:25,900 --> 00:00:29,800 funded monopolies of the state, welcome back to the corporate. 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,100 Port everyone. I'm James Corbett of 11 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:34,800 corbettreport.com. It is, August of 2022 and it's 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,800 been at least what, four or five days. 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,300 Now, since I just recommended a couple of dozen books for you 14 00:00:41,300 --> 00:00:43,400 and I'm sure you've all read through them by now. 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,200 So, how about another one? Yes, today I am here with 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,000 another book recommendation. This one is called The 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,100 voluntariness Test Handbook. It is a collection of essays 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,700 excerpts and quotes, and it has been compiled edited together by 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,400 Good friend of the corporate report previous guest you should 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,200 know him. Well Keith Knight of Keith 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,900 Knight don't tread on any one of the libertarian Institute. 22 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:11,000 He has an odyssey page. I'm sure you've seen his work 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,700 before. If not the link will be in the 24 00:01:12,700 --> 00:01:16,000 show notes so that you can see it along with the link to this 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,000 brand new book. Hot off the press Keith Knight. 26 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,200 Thanks for talking to us today. Always appreciate your time, 27 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,600 James, thanks for having me. Well I appreciate your time. 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,100 I appreciate the amount of time and effort that goes into 29 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:29,800 creating and editing a compilation like this of essays. 30 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:32,500 Excerpts and quotes. There's there is quite an 31 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:34,300 interesting mixture of things in here. 32 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:37,100 But before we dive into the contents of this book, first of 33 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:41,200 all, I should note that this book is available obviously as a 34 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,200 physical paper back like I have it is also available as a free 35 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,800 PDF on Odyssey.com right now. But I trust that the Corbett 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,600 report audience wants to support people who do put in the time 37 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,800 effort and energy to make things like this available to you. 38 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,300 So please do consider purchasing the actual physical book which I 39 00:01:58,300 --> 00:02:01,300 will put the link in the show. Not so that people can do that 40 00:02:01,700 --> 00:02:06,900 but I am loathe to always, always always have to start at 41 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:10,199 Square One or the square before one with conversations like 42 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:12,400 this. But it's just a fact of life. 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,300 That 99.9999 percent of the population is statist by default 44 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,500 and can't even imagine what anything else actually might be 45 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:28,100 so voluntary. Voluntary isn't volunteerism. 46 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:32,900 As I hear people sometimes say Say because it, which is it 47 00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:35,500 rankles me and as a man of letters, I'm sure Keith. 48 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:37,700 It probably rankles you to hear people saying things like 49 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:42,200 volunteerism and other butchering, zuv a fairly simple 50 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,100 word voluntary ISM but it's not just, it's not just as semantic 51 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:48,400 thing. It's not just oh, they got the 52 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,700 name wrong, it shows that they don't understand what the name 53 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:54,000 is or what it means. So I appreciate that you started 54 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,800 this collection with a list of definitions. 55 00:02:57,100 --> 00:02:59,800 Tell me your definition for voluntary is mmm. 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,300 I use the definition given by the founder of volunteerism. 57 00:03:04,300 --> 00:03:06,300 A gentleman named Auburn Herbert. 58 00:03:06,300 --> 00:03:09,400 I just want to get it right? It's the moral position which 59 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,100 maintains that no peaceful person can, justly be submitted 60 00:03:13,100 --> 00:03:16,800 to the control of others in the absence of his or her own 61 00:03:16,900 --> 00:03:19,500 consent. So, we see this virtually on a 62 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:22,800 daily basis with what we would regard as common sense morality. 63 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,300 So you could both look at someone who was enslaved. 64 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:28,800 And look at another person, working hard and saying well, 65 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,700 these are both people. Performing labor. 66 00:03:30,700 --> 00:03:32,500 They're both working hard toiling. 67 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:35,500 They might not get paid a lot. What is the difference between 68 00:03:35,500 --> 00:03:38,200 these two? You might look at one person 69 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,000 going to someone's house and another person. 70 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,200 Getting kidnapped in both cases there at someone else's 71 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,100 geographical location. There is a foundational 72 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:50,500 difference between these actions trade and theft rape and 73 00:03:50,500 --> 00:03:53,100 lovemaking. And that is the fact that both 74 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:56,900 parties both adults in these activities are engaged in 75 00:03:56,900 --> 00:03:59,800 consensual activities because they have the better. 76 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,500 Claim to their body. Then their neighbor, then the 77 00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:05,200 wise people of society than the rich people of society. 78 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,800 Then the majority of society, they get the final say and how 79 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,800 they spend their scarce time on this Earth, meaning you're not 80 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,700 entitled to anyone's time. So, unless someone chooses to 81 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:19,500 voluntarily give you a second of their time, a year of their time 82 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,100 or a penny out of their pocket, you are not entitled to anyone 83 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:25,100 elses time unless they voluntarily, give it to you. 84 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:29,100 So we both have this moral Foundation as well as the 85 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:33,900 economic And well-being of but we're not able to achieve our 86 00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:37,300 ends in society, unless we're able to do so in a Cooperative 87 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:41,100 manner, that's cohesive as opposed to being destructive. 88 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,600 Now, that is the general Foundation of what volunteerism 89 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,400 is, a referring to interactions being voluntary. 90 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:51,400 Not as Ana, kasparian once said, based on people volunteering and 91 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,100 not being compensated for things. 92 00:04:55,100 --> 00:04:57,700 Yeah, don't get your political philosophy from ANA kasparian. 93 00:04:57,700 --> 00:04:58,600 Alright. Alright. 94 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,600 No excellent simple. Very simple, very 95 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,000 straightforward. I would say fairly 96 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,300 uncontroversial, I think anyone who would dispute the sort of 97 00:05:06,308 --> 00:05:09,000 basic ethical principle that's being elaborated. 98 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,500 There is probably not someone that I want to be associated 99 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:16,700 with, but it is absolutely revolutionary to Simply play 100 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:20,600 that single fundamental ethical principle out to its logical 101 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,100 conclusion and extend those conclusions out to the space of 102 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:29,000 politics and the state which for some reason is this special 103 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,000 thing that Is this special category in people's brains? 104 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:35,700 That's why you can easily compile 300 Pages. 105 00:05:35,700 --> 00:05:38,600 It could have been I'm sure much larger than 300 pages but here's 106 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,600 300 pages on this subject elaborated by lots and lots of 107 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,600 different writers in lots of different contexts and that's 108 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,600 actually the first thing I'd like to ask you about, why, 109 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,900 where did this idea for to do this? 110 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:55,000 Come from? Why, and how did this project 111 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,100 get started? Well, the self-serving answers. 112 00:05:58,100 --> 00:06:01,000 I was sick of repeating myself, so Just wanted one thing where I 113 00:06:01,008 --> 00:06:03,500 could say I've done the work. Here it is. 114 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:06,200 Goodbye. The reason that I was so 115 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,200 motivated to have one thing that I could give people is because I 116 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,400 know it can be intimidating. There's so many books out there 117 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:14,700 on so many topics. It's sort of like they all 118 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:17,100 cancel each other out. Whereas, if I had said look, 119 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:20,000 here's one book that I want to give people to sort of, 120 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,600 introduce them to this Freedom philosophy. 121 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,200 Sort of, you could imagine, this is kind of the idea, attempted 122 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,200 to pick up the mantle, from the American Declaration of It's the 123 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,500 earliest essay I have in here is from 1850 a gentleman named 124 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:37,500 Frederic bastiat from France writing. 125 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:41,700 So it's the attempt to take these principles and apply them 126 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,300 consistently. The reason it's so important to 127 00:06:44,300 --> 00:06:48,500 have them all together is because well they have no 128 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:52,300 problem asking us to spend 12 years of Our Lives reading their 129 00:06:52,300 --> 00:06:56,500 materials at the youngest age. My thing is look, if I would 130 00:06:56,500 --> 00:07:00,800 love for you to listen to 100 podcasts and You know, Read 50 131 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,100 bucks and these essays and oh you got to join me for that 132 00:07:03,100 --> 00:07:04,500 seminar. It's going to be so fun. 133 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:07,600 My whole thing was look, check out this one book. 134 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,100 I think this will give you the best understanding of sort of 135 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:14,400 where we are. I intentionally had such a 136 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,100 variety of people coming at it, both from what you could call 137 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:22,800 leftism, this would be anyone who focuses highly on the amount 138 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,100 of egalitarianism in between both individuals and 139 00:07:27,100 --> 00:07:29,700 institutions John Locke. Actually summarize this. 140 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,000 This saying that it's not just that me, and you have equality 141 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,700 before the judges and the officers. 142 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,900 We also have equality with the judges and the officers. 143 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:41,900 So this is something people like Sheldon, Richmond has two 144 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:46,000 articles in here. Roderick T, long also has a two 145 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,700 articles Hans Hermann. Hapa takes the philosophy of 146 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:53,600 Karl Marx, the exploitation Theory and attempts to show how 147 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,400 there is overlap with the freedom Theory. 148 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,100 That's called Austrian verse Marxist class analysis. 149 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:01,500 So those people Would be generally considered on the 150 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:03,700 right. So anyone who cares about things 151 00:08:03,700 --> 00:08:07,400 like equality and making sure people live with dignity, 152 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,200 there's something for them. When it comes to people on the 153 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:14,200 right, we have the former senior editor of National Review. 154 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:16,400 William, F Buckley is right hand man, a guy named Joe. 155 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,100 Soberin he wrote, he writes an article in here, numbers not 156 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:24,000 coming to me, it's titled The Reluctant Anarchist, and he 157 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,100 basically came to this conclusion. 158 00:08:26,900 --> 00:08:31,300 That once you give one group, With a monopoly on 159 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,400 decision-making within a geographical area with people, 160 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,200 they haven't consented with or contracted with, and there's no 161 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,600 give-and-take sort of contract. There's, there's these 162 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,600 unilateral contracts where you have an obligation to obey and 163 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,400 the state does not have an obligation to provide 164 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,600 protection. In fact, when they don't provide 165 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,400 protection like Pearl, Harbor, or 911, the amount of power they 166 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,500 have increases. So once you grant that Monopoly, 167 00:08:55,700 --> 00:09:00,100 then basically any words on paper are unilaterally And by 168 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:03,400 them and they have this ultimate amount of power. 169 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:07,800 So the idea that, well, what if the American government gets 170 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,500 tyrannical sometime in the future? 171 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:15,200 Well, anyone looking at events such as Hiroshima or things 172 00:09:15,700 --> 00:09:21,600 operation meeting house or Vietnam, or operations in Iraq, 173 00:09:21,700 --> 00:09:24,600 or sanctions or mistreatment of the natives. 174 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:27,300 All of these things that is not to bash, America. 175 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:31,100 That's just where I'm from. So, I use those Examples of all 176 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:33,900 of those things, what makes them bad is, they were initiating 177 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:36,400 violence against non aggressors. They weren't just defending 178 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,100 themselves in those cases against those people. 179 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,600 So it comes down to. I chose these things because I 180 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,600 wanted people from both the right and left to realize that 181 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,000 their views are actually harmonious with the idea of 182 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,300 voluntourism. And I try to get the highest 183 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:54,700 number of essays. That would have, that would give 184 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:58,300 me multiple different starting points that led to the same 185 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:02,200 conclusion people from If people from the right from the 1850s up 186 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,200 to today, also, I stole the idea from Michael malice as Anarchist 187 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:13,000 handbook. I like the tldr there, but, but 188 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,800 yeah, let me honestly, let me commend you for your editorial 189 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,600 selection process in this, as I was reading through it, I, it 190 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,200 really struck me. I mean, there's no way not to be 191 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,900 struck by this, this rain ranges all the way from really 192 00:10:27,100 --> 00:10:31,600 scholarly essays by Sirs and historians and philosophers, and 193 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,400 with, with footnotes and all of that very serious essays all the 194 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,300 way down to personal anecdotes from retired, Marines and police 195 00:10:38,300 --> 00:10:39,600 officers and everything in between. 196 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,000 There's transcripts of seminars and videos in here. 197 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,900 There's quotations, there's excerpts of various sorts. 198 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:48,300 It's just such a broad range of material. 199 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:52,100 And as you say, all swirling around the same idea, and at 200 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:54,200 times, it can almost feel repetitive like. 201 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,200 Well, this guy's just saying, what the last guy was saying, 202 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,400 but then, there are other times where actually? 203 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:59,600 No, that's really different than what? 204 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,800 Other guy was saying it coming at it, from a completely 205 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,500 different perspective and some of them I think, yeah, that's, 206 00:11:04,500 --> 00:11:05,900 that's bang on some of them. I think. 207 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:08,600 No, I don't, I don't think I agree with that, but that's 208 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,300 actually one of the refreshing things about this. 209 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:14,500 This is not a Bible or some catechism you must all Now read 210 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:16,400 from the hymn book of voluntarism know. 211 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,800 There's lots of different people that have different approaches 212 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,400 to this and and have different takes on it and that's a good 213 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,600 thing. I think at least from my 214 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,600 perspective, how about from your perspective? 215 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,000 Do you have a it's like choosing babies. 216 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,800 I'm sure. But do you As a favorite essay 217 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,800 or that you've included in here? Yes, I would. 218 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,200 I think I would have to choose. I believe it is chapter 76, 219 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,200 questions for status. So this was by Stefan molyneux 220 00:11:43,300 --> 00:11:44,900 in his book, practically in our key. 221 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:48,700 The freedom of the future, when he says is look, I'm really 222 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:51,400 interested in getting into the details of how, you know, things 223 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,200 like a stateless society would work, we have examples of 224 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,500 people, you know, arbitrating disputes PayPal Amazon. 225 00:11:57,500 --> 00:11:59,600 EBay people do this constantly throughout the day. 226 00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:02,600 You know, things like roads. There's a lot of roads that 227 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,600 exist that are privately built by businesses. 228 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,000 Who simply do so not because they're so kind. 229 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,700 But because they want to bring people in. 230 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:12,300 But instead of getting into those, I first want to have six 231 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:15,200 questions that we go through before. 232 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,400 But before we really start criticizing this, this way, we 233 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,800 can make sure we are on the same page. 234 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,700 So it's only a three page chapter. 235 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:25,200 The first thing he says is, does government actually solve the 236 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,900 problem in question. So very often people will say 237 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:33,000 well, you Can't have, you know, stateless society because it 238 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,700 could be taken over by another Society. 239 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:39,800 There could be some people who exploit others, what this leaves 240 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,000 out is the fact that this very same Injustice occurs with or 241 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,100 without a state, so they're taking something that exists in 242 00:12:47,108 --> 00:12:51,800 human society and then uniquely pinning, it on the concept of 243 00:12:51,900 --> 00:12:53,900 volunteerism. So molyneux really introduces 244 00:12:53,900 --> 00:12:56,400 people into was getting how to think this way. 245 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,500 Second question. The answers can, the criticism 246 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,000 of the anarchic solution. Be equally applied to the 247 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,700 statist solution. Another words. 248 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,400 Well, the thing is, the reason you can't have a voluntarily 249 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,400 funded, you know, police agency is the police agency, if they're 250 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,200 not, you know, accountable to the voters they might just not 251 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,900 defend you. Well, there are a number of 252 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,600 examples. There was just a main major one 253 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,100 in America, where 376 police officers sat outside while 254 00:13:24,100 --> 00:13:27,600 parents are running in trying to save their kids from a murderer. 255 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,400 So, that's one example. Other examples, the government 256 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,500 of China did exactly protect. Its citizens from Shanghai Shack 257 00:13:35,500 --> 00:13:38,400 or Chairman Mao or Emperor Hirohito. 258 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:43,400 The population of Germany was not very well protected, so they 259 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,500 don't that government didn't solve the problem. 260 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:49,400 Think 1.3 million Frenchmen were killed in the first world war 261 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,300 alone. So having a state, having a 262 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:54,900 monopolist on protection, does not solve this problem. 263 00:13:54,900 --> 00:14:00,400 So that is a small intro into what is probably my Protection 264 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,500 of the book. Maybe it was just because when I 265 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:07,400 read it, I had been coming at things so much from the idea of 266 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,000 all right. It's time to watch the news and 267 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,600 kind of, like, figure out who to hate today. 268 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,200 It's like, okay, we hate Iran. Yeah, those bastards are 269 00:14:14,208 --> 00:14:16,100 building nukes and they're like days away. 270 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:18,800 They're Pals with Hezbollah, who the worst people on earth. 271 00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:22,100 Oh, we're back to hating Iraq. Just yesterday. 272 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:25,200 Now, I have to hate Al-Qaeda again because they killed 273 00:14:25,300 --> 00:14:30,000 allegedly, Ayman, al-zawahiri. And I've been hating In this 274 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,300 whole time. And before I was hating the 275 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:37,100 banderites in Ukraine because their National socialists and 276 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:40,200 there's a white supremacist element there, but now I have to 277 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,900 support giving them 40 billion dollars a year and I used to 278 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:44,900 hate the rich, but now we have to like them because they're 279 00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:47,500 also our countrymen. So, instead of getting in this, 280 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:51,400 you listen to the media for them to issue your opinion of the 281 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,000 day. That's so unnecessarily divisive 282 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:56,100 hating People based on accidents of birth. 283 00:14:56,100 --> 00:15:00,600 These arbitrary divisions, you can actually build Genuine 284 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:05,000 divided and unifying strategy based on people who achieve 285 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,100 their ends in life, voluntarily versus people who achieve their 286 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:11,000 ends in life violently, those are the ultimate exploiters. 287 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:14,300 So I hadn't really thought of things on those terms until I 288 00:15:14,308 --> 00:15:17,700 had come across that article from from molyneux and 289 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:21,600 especially you don't have to like you know, travel to the top 290 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,300 of Mount Everest and read some secret. 291 00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:26,100 Scroll to find this empirical evidence. 292 00:15:26,100 --> 00:15:29,600 He goes before getting into the specifics of, you know, how many 293 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:32,100 The government's killed and how long it takes them to show up to 294 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:35,500 911 calls versus private organizations that were tried. 295 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:38,500 And you know places like Detroit he goes let's talk about things 296 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:42,000 that we're just able to understand logically and that's 297 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,500 why I like that article. So much. 298 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:47,600 Second favorite would be chapter, 42, logical, fallacies 299 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,600 by Michael humor that when I just have a blast reading every 300 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,200 time. So yeah, those are the two that 301 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,100 come to mind. Yeah, I don't know if I could 302 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:59,200 choose a favorite. I'm familiar with a lot of this 303 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,900 material. Some of it was new to me and 304 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:03,700 perhaps the stuff that was new to me was was more interesting 305 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:08,400 just for virtue of being new. For example, chapter 9 on social 306 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,000 cooperation, by Sheldon Richmond. 307 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:13,200 I had not heard the little anecdote that he starts off with 308 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,400 here as Effie's. Advanced Austrian economic 309 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,300 seminar at heavy Eve's Advanced Austrian economics seminar last 310 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:23,300 summer more than one speaker. Mentioned that Ludwig von mises 311 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:26,900 considered a different title for the book we know as human 312 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:30,400 action, the other title social Operation. 313 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:33,400 I've heard that story before but this time it got me thinking, 314 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:36,500 would the free market movement have been perceived differently 315 00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:39,300 by the outside world. If Misa said, use the other 316 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:42,200 title with the question phrase. So narrowly the answer is 317 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,600 probably, no. So let's broaden it would the 318 00:16:44,608 --> 00:16:46,600 free market movement, be perceived differently. 319 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,900 If its dominant theme was social cooperation rather than rugged 320 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:53,600 individual, individualism, self-reliance Independence, and 321 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,400 other synonyms were so fond of. That's an excellent starting 322 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,500 point for examining this from a fresh perspective. 323 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:02,600 Because obviously, I you've been in this long enough to hear this 324 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,000 a million times. I certainly have from people 325 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,400 who, oh, you're always talking about individuals and 326 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,300 individuals and you just want to live in a cabin in the woods, 327 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:11,000 all by yourself. No, no, no. 328 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,500 The heart of voluntary ism is cooperation, that is what this 329 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:19,400 is about working together. Consensually mutually on things 330 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:24,000 that we agree on in order to build build up the world rather 331 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,099 than forcing people at gunpoint to do what I want them to do and 332 00:17:27,099 --> 00:17:29,000 then we can argue over who's holding the gun. 333 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,500 That's That's insanity. This is social cooperation. 334 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:36,800 So I think reframing things like that, it's just so valuable and 335 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,100 that's why I appreciate discovering new nuggets like 336 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:40,900 this one that I hadn't seen before. 337 00:17:40,900 --> 00:17:43,700 So I appreciate that. Another thing that I appreciate 338 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:49,300 in this collection is as I say not, not necessarily that people 339 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:51,400 are contradicting each other, but they're just coming at it 340 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,500 from such different ways that you no matter where you are on 341 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:57,300 the statist anarchist Spectrum or left or, right, or what 342 00:17:57,300 --> 00:17:59,300 flavor of anarchism you like, or whatever. 343 00:17:59,700 --> 00:18:02,800 Will be something here that will be in accord with what you 344 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,200 think. And we'll be oh yeah, that's 345 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,100 what I think and then there will be other ones that think 346 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,900 anything. No, no, that's the right. 347 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,700 Like, for example, I really appreciated reading what it 348 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:13,700 means to be an anarcho-capitalist by Stephan 349 00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:15,900 kinsella. Who I've I've already I've read 350 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:18,200 this essay before but reading it in this collection. 351 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,400 It really stuck out to me, just how beautifully simply he 352 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,400 defines sort of the nature of anarchism in that first 353 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,900 paragraph of that article and how it's an ethical point of 354 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:30,700 view. And That's why it confuses 355 00:18:30,700 --> 00:18:34,400 utilitarians. And in a way, although it's not 356 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,700 really a contradiction. But when when rothbard in war 357 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:43,100 peace and the state is writing about the Buckley criticism 358 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:45,500 that, you know, you dreamers just out there so you know, sort 359 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:48,200 of dreaming but you have no strategic intelligence about 360 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,300 what you're talking about. So rothbard's like all right you 361 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:52,900 want strategic intelligence? Looking at the war? 362 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:55,100 Question of War and Peace. All right, here we go. 363 00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:59,100 And he goes deep dive into sort of the more utilitarian ish. 364 00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:01,900 Of way of looking at this. And as I say, it's not 365 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:04,500 necessarily a contradiction, but it's very different approaches, 366 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:06,500 and I appreciate having that mixture of them. 367 00:19:07,300 --> 00:19:09,800 Tell me about your own experience of putting this 368 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,300 together and, and finding that balance between different 369 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:16,900 approaches. Yeah, I definitely liked our 370 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,600 rothbard, would sort of take Buckley up on something like 371 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,600 that as if that criticism doesn't apply to Buckley 372 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,700 universally. Well okay, let me think if it, 373 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:30,900 what if there's like ever a war that America goes into and it 374 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:35,000 lasts 20 years and then the opponent's take over the capital 375 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,100 after 11 days. Then surely, I mean, like, if it 376 00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:40,900 was ever like the first time, NATO declared Article 5, well, 377 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:43,100 then you guys would say, well, we can't have a state providing 378 00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:46,400 the security then you, you know, you utopian government. 379 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,200 Believers would have to give things up. 380 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,600 If after, you know, 12 years of school and kids are not only not 381 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,800 smart, they believe things that are just verifiably untrue. 382 00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:57,800 Well, then you stayed us would just have to give up this 383 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,100 fantasy. That we could just give the 384 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:02,400 state this Our and they'll give us education and protection. 385 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,000 That they're actually the the the utopians here is far as 386 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,800 coming at it from from different aspects. 387 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,500 I really like the fact that there are a number of professors 388 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:17,000 with phds who have also come to this conclusion who have a great 389 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,700 deal of both Empirical research that you can test. 390 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:25,500 But after you know, seeing so many times where empiricism 391 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,400 fails or it's really difficult to replicate things or it's 392 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,600 true. But that was Sort of a fad or if 393 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,500 that's a thing in America, it's less true and, you know, places 394 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:36,900 like Nigeria what these professors are able to do was 395 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:39,400 first come up with very brilliant, analogy someone like 396 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,600 Jason Brennan. He gives you three thought 397 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,100 experiments that sort of really take you out of the realm of 398 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:48,800 being so connected with your identity. 399 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,200 So he is so he doesn't say well imagine if Trump did this would 400 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,500 you like that? Well what if Obama did this well 401 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:59,500 anyone hearing that is already already has an opinion on one or 402 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,800 One or two of those people. So what Brennan says is let's 403 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,400 take this guy. Virtuous Fanny. 404 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,900 You know, he is so virtuous that he really cares about the poor. 405 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:15,800 In fact, he cares so much that he is going to require that. 406 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,500 You give him money, so he could help these people that are 407 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:23,600 impoverished and horrible news. If you don't help her to us 408 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,200 Vani. Well, he actually gets to take 409 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,400 your house but the point is is that he's going to help them and 410 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:32,900 You might disagree with how effective has helped his, but 411 00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:36,800 he's going to take your house, we would immediately see this as 412 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,100 this is a guy who was robbing us under the guise of helping us, 413 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,000 or he hasn't put any thought into this. 414 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,000 Well, Brennan correctly says, this is in principle. 415 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:49,400 No, different than what you would call property taxes, which 416 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:53,700 I think in all 50 states in America, but we certainly have 417 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,200 this means that if you don't chip in for your local, they are 418 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,000 mostly allocated. It's a schooling facilities. 419 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:05,600 So if you don't chip in, they will literally confiscate your 420 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,100 house. And if you try to resist them, 421 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:11,600 they get to shoot you, which is the ultimate claim that they 422 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,900 have, what you could refer to. As Government Supremacy, they 423 00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:17,400 call the shots. Everyone else has to obey. 424 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,000 This is what you could, maybe call the least equal institution 425 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,500 in society. And sometimes it takes people 426 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:26,500 who have been professors, who have really dug through all this 427 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,400 for them to be able to effectively communicate 428 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:32,000 Something like that. The other example he uses is 429 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,700 well smokings bad for you. I mean look, the studies show. 430 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,500 Smoking is bad for you. So this guy in order to help 431 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:42,100 society, as a whole, stop things, like lung cancer 432 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,700 secondhand, smoke, parents dying, children living without 433 00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:49,200 parents because they've died from lung, cancer unnecessarily. 434 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,300 What, what what this guy young passion, Peter is going to do is 435 00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:58,100 he's going to put you in a cage, if he catches you smoking in a 436 00:22:58,108 --> 00:22:59,000 few resist. Mmm. 437 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,300 Is going to shoot you. Well, it again, in this case you 438 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:06,400 see, it's a blatant example of some people initiating violence 439 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,800 against others, showing how under any other circumstance. 440 00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:14,400 We would see this as unjust. So really the ability for a lot 441 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,200 of these people to use persuasion skills to communicate 442 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,000 to people. That never would have crossed my 443 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,600 mind in such a simple way, this long explanation of Mind. 444 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,800 By the way, it's one page. This is the shortest chapter but 445 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,300 I just, I just Found it. So intriguing, how he was able 446 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:36,200 to just really grab your attention in such a short amount 447 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:36,900 of time. You say? 448 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,300 Well gosh, I could watch Don Lemon every night for like 6 449 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:44,600 hours and I don't really learn much, but in this one page, I'm 450 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,400 blown away. And now I learn how to 451 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,100 communicate. I learned a fundamental 452 00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:52,800 understanding of how these ideas are applicable in the real world 453 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,000 today, as well as their effects. I hope that answers the 454 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000 question. I think it does that, that this 455 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,500 is in some sense, the most Citing part of a book like this 456 00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:04,900 is the way that it helps to reframe things out of that 457 00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:09,700 people don't see clearly and you can see it clearly in a very 458 00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:12,100 short and concise way. That's explained very nicely. 459 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,900 For example. Of course, you have coupons, do 460 00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:17,900 we ever really get out of Anarchy in here, which is an 461 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:19,600 important essay and I hope people will read it. 462 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:23,600 But I also I just noticed in war peace in the state. 463 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,800 Rothbard essentially makes the same argument in the space of a 464 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,200 paragraph that Is so important for people to understand. 465 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:35,000 If you are a nationalist and you are opposed to globalism, then 466 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,600 you are in favor of Anarchy, you just don't know it yet. 467 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,300 So rothbard rights in the modern world. 468 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:43,800 Each land area is ruled over by a state organization, but there 469 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,100 are a number of states scattered over the Earth, each with a 470 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:48,100 monopoly of violence, over its own territory. 471 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:51,500 No super State exists with a monopoly of violence over the 472 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:54,500 entire world. And so a state of Anarchy exists 473 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,300 between the several states. It is always been a source of 474 00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:59,300 Wonder, right? Incidentally to this writer. 475 00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:02,700 The same conservatives, who denounces lunatic, any proposal 476 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:05,800 for eliminating, a monopoly of violence, over a given territory 477 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,900 and thus, leaving private individuals without an Overlord, 478 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,000 should be equally insistent upon leaving states without an 479 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,300 Overlord to settle disputes between them. 480 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,100 The former is always denounced as crackpot. 481 00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:21,500 Anarchism the latter is hailed as preserving Independence and 482 00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:23,800 National sovereignty from World Government. 483 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,900 So, again, such a simple point. But so, effectively stated there 484 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:33,600 And as I say, in much greater detail bike in Kazan Kazan sesay 485 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,100 but that strikes me that the very people who perhaps most 486 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:42,500 need to read this book are probably the people who won't 487 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,500 read it. I would assume a lot of people 488 00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:46,900 who buy the voluntary is handbook, already considered 489 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:49,300 themselves to be voluntary as sore at least interested in the 490 00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:52,600 philosophy, but the dyed-in-the-wool stay tests who 491 00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:54,700 sure whatever may be a collection like this won't 492 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:58,000 convince them but at the very least it will get brain cells 493 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,400 firing, it will start. You at least put some some 494 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,600 thoughts in people's minds that they might not have had before. 495 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,000 I think those are the people who really need to see this book. 496 00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:09,200 Unfortunately probably won't see it but who was your audience? 497 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,300 What audience did you have in mind putting this collection 498 00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:14,100 together? The reason this book took so 499 00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:17,700 long is because Scott Horton and I as well as my colleagues at 500 00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:20,300 the libertarian Institute. We really wanted something that 501 00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:24,400 we could hand to anyone who's interested in politics and we 502 00:26:24,408 --> 00:26:27,400 said, well we want to what we don't want to water down the 503 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,800 message at all. So the Very common watering 504 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,800 down. We get from people on our side. 505 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,900 Certainly people, like David bows. 506 00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:42,100 Well at the Cato Institute will say very Bland things and just 507 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:44,600 try not to hurt anyone's feelings of a lot of these 508 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,500 regime change Wars, have unintended consequences and 509 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:51,200 seldom, are they in the interest of the American people? 510 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,200 That's not in this book in here at Scott Horton. 511 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,800 And Lew Rockwell saying war is a euphemism for mass murder based 512 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,600 on Collective as lies. So I said, I'm not willing to 513 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,500 water down this message at all. So basically what we were 514 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:09,000 banking on is grabbing people's attention in such a way to show 515 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,300 them. That this is a productive 516 00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:13,100 conversation. It's not just some, you know, 517 00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:16,700 pie-in-the-sky philosophy that you would only read in a 518 00:27:16,708 --> 00:27:19,500 classroom. So it's anyone who would be 519 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:23,600 watching the news and feels like they can not get a lot of bang 520 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,000 for their Buck. You can watch a lot of Sean 521 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,100 Hannity. I mean the best Caveat to that 522 00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:31,400 would be, you know, Tucker Carlson's. 523 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,600 Probably the best and you still have to watch quite a bit. 524 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,600 You can even see him being very principled in some areas. 525 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:44,000 It's vitally important that we don't risk war with Russia, 526 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,700 well, vilifying people, but like China or justifying the worst 527 00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:53,400 state in other areas such as the second world war. 528 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,200 So it's like yeah, the greatest mass murderer in history. 529 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,300 It's like well that was unnecessary to a conscription 530 00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:03,200 Millions of people into 60 million lives killing civilians, 531 00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:06,200 giving mothers without Sons. Well, that was virtuous. 532 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:11,400 The problem is is that you can hear so much of these ideas 533 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,200 without ever coming across a consistent approach to how they 534 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,300 can be analyzed. So what we're banking on is that 535 00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,300 people who are generally interested in politics at all, 536 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,200 we'll see this and it'll show them. 537 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:31,100 Wow, I did not know that I was Thirsty until I drank this for 538 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,600 the first time, this is what this is productive. 539 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,400 I just read a page and I really learned something. 540 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,400 Whereas you could read Mitt Romney's, no apology probably 541 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,600 five or six times and not extract anything about well, it 542 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,100 was published what in like 2011, or 2012 when I read it. 543 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:50,800 And today, I mean, it's good for like firewood and disc in 544 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,200 December. There's nothing that you can get 545 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,100 out of it. Whereas these I think are really 546 00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:56,200 Timeless. I think. 547 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,200 Anyone who comes across them will learn something. 548 00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:00,900 Them. So that's why that's my 549 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:04,200 justification for saying that anyone generally interested in 550 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,400 politics is my audience with this book. 551 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:10,500 Yeah yeah as someone who just did an entire course and 552 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,700 documentary series about the history of on of media mass 553 00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:18,100 media, I can feel your pain. It's like no, no this isn't 554 00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:19,700 boring. Honestly this is really 555 00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:21,800 important. Actually it's really interesting 556 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,900 and important and once you see it you'll know. 557 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:25,900 But you have to see it first. You won't know. 558 00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:29,200 You're thirsty till your drink anyway, I get that. 559 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,900 Pain. Well, again an incredibly 560 00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:36,100 interesting collection of essays, no matter where you come 561 00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:39,000 on the statist anarchist Spectrum, or what flavor of, 562 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,000 whatever political ideology, subscribe to there is stuff in 563 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,800 here, that's worth reading, including the stuff that I 564 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,800 disagree with. Yes, there is stuff in here that 565 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,600 I disagree with. I think this person's wrong, 566 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,900 they're making the wrong argument. 567 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,500 Walter Williams the argument for free markets, morality versus 568 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:54,400 efficiency. People who criticize the 569 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,000 existing distribution of income is being unfair and demand 570 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,400 government redistribution are really In the process whereby 571 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,300 income is earned their bottom line, is that millions of 572 00:30:03,308 --> 00:30:05,700 individual decision makers, did not do the right thing. 573 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:07,800 Consider the wealth of billionaire. 574 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,300 Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft Gates earned billions 575 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:14,400 because millions of individuals voluntarily spent their money on 576 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,700 what they wanted his products for someone to say that Gates is 577 00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:20,400 income is unfair is the same as saying that the decisions of 578 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,700 millions of consumers are wrong. No, absolute hogwash, no Gates, 579 00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:29,800 relied on the state and patent laws in order to Or Saint 580 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,600 artificially restricted Market that has nothing to do with free 581 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,400 markets. That couldn't be more wrong. 582 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,600 Having said that I agree with much else of the core substance 583 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,700 of Williams argument. And I agree with so much of 584 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:44,300 what's in this book, it's all fascinating and interesting 585 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:46,900 stuff, but it doesn't mean. I necessarily agree with every 586 00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:50,000 Point that's being made by every author, I would assume even for 587 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,500 yourself. It's not like you agree with 588 00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:54,100 every single thing that's being said in a book like this. 589 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:56,300 But that you think it's valuable for people to hear? 590 00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:58,200 Of course. Yeah. 591 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,200 Well there's only so many chapters where I could just use 592 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,800 excerpts or use an entire thing except take out one or two 593 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,300 paragraphs. So of course, you're relying on 594 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,300 the readers, ability to discern and for that discernment, you 595 00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:17,500 have chapter 42 on how to think, clearly by the by Michael humor, 596 00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:21,300 the goal of now me bring a lot of the so someone like Walter 597 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,500 Williams, just so brilliant. Imagine a guy growing up in the 598 00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:27,800 Jim Crow, South East conscripted Into. 599 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,000 I want to say it was during the Korean War. 600 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,600 I don't think I ever saw combat, but I mean, for someone like 601 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:39,100 that to come so far and get such an intellectual Foundation into 602 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:43,600 things that are extremely difficult to go, go into, he 603 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,200 said, well I didn't join the Marines. 604 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,200 I had my labor Services confiscated from me D. 605 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,900 I don't think people realize how unpopular that would have been 606 00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:56,500 to say in a time where well don't you know, we have to we 607 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,100 can't surrender. Under to the Communists. 608 00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,700 So anyone who's in uniform as, you know, a part of the nation 609 00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,800 and whatnot. So those people have so much 610 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,900 wisdom that even when I really think that I have one on them, I 611 00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,700 go. Well, maybe they're really 612 00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:13,200 communicating something in here that will learn later. 613 00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:15,700 And as far as intellectual property, I have a chapter by 614 00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:18,300 Isaac Morehouse on here. Does titled how I changed my 615 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:21,300 mind on copyright more or less you saying that. 616 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,000 If I have this physical book and you take it from me? 617 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,500 Well now I no longer have it and we can That's theft, but what if 618 00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:31,500 you snap your fingers and made one copy or a million copies? 619 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,800 Yes, it would change the value but value just means a price 620 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,900 that other people are willing to pay your sacrifice for or 621 00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:40,500 something. The other people see in 622 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:43,000 something. So it's not that people have a 623 00:32:43,008 --> 00:32:45,200 right to the value. It's that they have a right to 624 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,500 the physical Integrity of their body and justly acquired 625 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,200 resources. So you get so many good now gets 626 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:57,400 like that but another similarity, you will see Between 627 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,700 all of these authors is their ability to show. 628 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,600 The really is to show the reader how to think, as opposed to sort 629 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,900 of listing off bullet points. So, when I quote, someone like, 630 00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:10,900 Bryan Caplan multiple times toward the end of people like 631 00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:13,900 Ben Powell people like Michael humor thomassie Woods. 632 00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:19,000 Junior has written an excellent essay on the misplaced fear of 633 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:21,800 Monopoly Sheldon Richmond. Scott Horton as an article 634 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,300 individualism versus War. What they're showing you is how 635 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,200 to think critically. So it's About memorizing, 636 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,300 certain things because if all you do is memorize things, the 637 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:34,800 next scam, whether it's going to be called a virus, or a 638 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,200 terrorism, whatever it is. I promise you, it'll be. 639 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,400 This is different. Now, it'll be something to that 640 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,000 extent of. Well, we've never seen this 641 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,400 before in the past, that would have worked. 642 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,300 But now, it's totally did. Now people do have the right to 643 00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:49,700 rule other people. This is different. 644 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,600 Then we're going to have to publish like a new book, every 645 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,400 few months, because it's like, oh, Putin went further than 646 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,800 Donna stand Lu, Hans. All right. 647 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,400 New Book. Now we gotta justify this so 648 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,200 because they're teaching you how to think you never have to play 649 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,200 catch-up with. Now, I have to go find the 650 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,400 Empirical research for the new scam. 651 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,900 They're trying to sell me with regards to why they now have the 652 00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:14,500 right to rule people, which they previously didn't. 653 00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:17,800 So because these authors are so good at teaching people how to 654 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,300 think. I think people will really 655 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:22,300 benefit from having a copy on hand. 656 00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:24,900 Lot of the articles are very short, only, two of them are 657 00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:27,800 rather long and there's two sections that are Three sections 658 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,800 rather that are just quotes that you could just have as a coffee 659 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,300 table book, briefly read things and get the summary. 660 00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:38,100 And if you just want a summary, the first two and last two 661 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,800 pages, the introduction in the afterward, I try to summarize 662 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,600 everything for people who aren't willing to well read the whole 663 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,900 collection. Yeah, in fact that was what I 664 00:34:45,908 --> 00:34:47,000 was thinking I was going through. 665 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,800 This isn't necessarily the type of book. 666 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,199 You want to sit down and read cover to cover you could, but 667 00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:53,000 it's the book you can dip in and out. 668 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,600 And well, read this essay overall, I want to look at this 669 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,200 quote and it would be A great coffee table book. 670 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,500 Imagine red peeling people with just having this lying around, 671 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,100 they pick it up and they're like, oh my God, sir, blow their 672 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:06,200 minds. Imagine if a dentist was putting 673 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,300 this in there, you know, waiting room anyway, I don't know. 674 00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:12,200 Yeah, I think it could be very effective in that way as well. 675 00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:16,500 And sorry, I genuinely just remembered, but yeah, I, I'm in 676 00:35:16,508 --> 00:35:18,200 here as well. Thank you for, including one of 677 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,000 my, an excerpt from one of my previous newsletter, editorials, 678 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,200 that I think is quite appropriate. 679 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,900 And I'm glad you included it because it's, I think important 680 00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:29,000 stuff to include. But That's not why I'm promoting 681 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,900 this book by the way, but I do appreciate that. 682 00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:36,900 And as I say, I think everyone there will be something in here 683 00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:38,800 for everyone of any political persuasion. 684 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,700 If you are interested in understanding these issues at a 685 00:35:41,707 --> 00:35:45,400 deeper level and not even in that framework of politics than 686 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,800 the way people think of politics. 687 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,100 No, this is about fundamental principles and how human beings 688 00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:52,000 should act and organize and cooperate. 689 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,400 And all of these fundamental questions about what it means to 690 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,600 be human, it affects everyone. So I hope people will Waking up 691 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,500 now, assuming people are interested and they do pick it 692 00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:04,500 up and they do read it and they are interested in more. 693 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,800 Where should people go for more? After they've read the voluntary 694 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,300 of ten book after they've read the volunteers handbook? 695 00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:15,600 Well, libertarian, institute.org has thousands of Articles essays 696 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,400 podcasts and videos that could keep anyone busy for the rest of 697 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,300 Eternity, we're constantly updating the site and putting 698 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:27,000 new things up there on a daily basis. 699 00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:30,600 Libertarian institute.org up were attempting to have a free 700 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,700 educational archive, so anyone can go on there, go into the 701 00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:37,600 search engine type in one thing, they're interested in and 702 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,500 hopefully get both bit philosophical in-depth 703 00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:43,700 foundational, understanding of what's going on as well as the 704 00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:47,200 updated data data information. We have people like Kyle 705 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,400 anzalone and Connor Freeman focusing on the excellent 706 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,900 foreign policy updates almost as they happen, we have gentlemen, 707 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,100 Patrick McFarland I know you've ever had on the show, he brings 708 00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:02,500 an excellent legal mind, so with someone with a law degree on our 709 00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:11,700 side that's just a bit of relief and knowledge call and say no 710 00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:13,100 that's not legal in any state like a? 711 00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:15,300 Well that's why we have you on call. 712 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,100 So yeah, a lot of us. There are constantly updating 713 00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,100 the place and that is probably the best best place to go. 714 00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:24,500 After you've read the book, if you're interested in more, 715 00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:27,800 Excellent. Any big projects in the works or 716 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,800 anything coming up next. You like people to know about 717 00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,300 Yeah, I am. I working on a bunch of 718 00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:39,900 transcripts for my interviews so while people, I'm just asking 719 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:43,200 some fans who their favorite interviews of mine have been, 720 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,900 we're getting transcripts and probably making a book of that, 721 00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:51,500 but other than that, nothing, nothing else in stone. 722 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:52,800 Excellent. Well. 723 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,100 Okay, we'll leave it there for today. 724 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,500 I will, once again, direct people not only to your blog at 725 00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:59,200 the libertarian Institute. Your Odyssey channel, the book 726 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,300 itself, obviously once again, the link is Is in the show 727 00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:03,700 notes. I hope people will check it out. 728 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:05,800 I think it'll be worth your time but we'll leave this 729 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,600 conversation here today. Keith Knight, thanks for your 730 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,700 time. James Corbett, thank you for 731 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:11,200 having me.