1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,200 What is the cathedral? What is the cathedral? 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:09,300 The cathedral is essentially the reification of the legitimate 3 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:12,400 sources of information. So the cathedral is essentially 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,200 performing the functions that a Ministry of Truth would perform 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,800 in a classic orwellian, you know, environment and it's 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,100 performing the functions that our religion would in a classic 7 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:28,500 theocracy and what you essentially see when you look at 8 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:32,200 the legitimate press. Is today, you know, one good way 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,400 to see it as if you go on Wikipedia, you're like where 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,500 does this information in Wikipedia come from? 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,500 The answer is it comes from reliable sources and you'll say 12 00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:43,500 you'll go to WP reliable sources and you're like, okay, what's 13 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:45,900 who decides, what are brittle out, what's a reliable source, 14 00:00:46,300 --> 00:00:48,900 and actually, you can read through that whole WP reliable 15 00:00:48,900 --> 00:00:51,900 sources page and our explains and actually very, very 16 00:00:51,900 --> 00:00:54,400 understandable English. What a reliable sources are 17 00:00:54,408 --> 00:00:57,600 reliable sources a source, which is reliable. 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,400 You're like, okay. Is there a mechanism for 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,000 deciding that the New York Times is or isn't a reliable source, 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,600 or how can, you know, like know, right, you know, this is all 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,400 basically, you know, it's arbitrary, it's grandfather. 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,100 It's basically the same kind of thing as saying. 23 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:16,800 How is it decided that the Bourbons are actually legitimate 24 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,900 kings of France? Answer is they are right? 25 00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:22,300 And how is the New York Times, the legitimate press? 26 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:25,200 It is. And by virtue of being the 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,000 legitimate, press, it essentially. 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,100 Lee, it gets the best people. It's the most talented, you 29 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:34,300 know, the people there, just a little Notch above the 30 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:37,000 Washington Post and a big Notch above the Baltimore Sun. 31 00:01:37,700 --> 00:01:41,700 And and that's how the sort of Merit meritocratic oligarchy 32 00:01:41,700 --> 00:01:43,000 works. On the other hand. 33 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,800 We look at this and we see notice to puzzling things about 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,000 this one is that it's completely decentralized. 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,300 Okay, the x is 0, its first among equals, if it was 36 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:54,000 destroyed by an asteroid tomorrow system would still 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,300 exist. So this not like it's the chief, 38 00:01:56,300 --> 00:01:57,700 you know, there's no Kingdom there. 39 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,900 And number two, is that all these Outlets agree with each 40 00:02:00,900 --> 00:02:04,000 other. They are as biblical Scholars 41 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,900 say synoptic and they are as students of the third righteous, 42 00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:12,400 you know, say I'm glaciated, which means there's this term 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,800 glacial tongue, which students of Nazi Germany is, which was 44 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,500 also used in actually by Nazis themselves, which means 45 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:22,500 basically coordination. So everything in Germany 46 00:02:22,700 --> 00:02:25,300 basically becomes suffused. With ideology. 47 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:27,900 There's this great diarist of the Third Reich, Victor klemper. 48 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,700 Emperor, who was a Jewish philologist, and he had a cat, 49 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:37,400 and he subscribed to in 1931. He subscribed to a cap magazine 50 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,500 and it was about cats. But by 1935 this magazine was 51 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:45,200 all about the German CAD, right, you know, and so, when you 52 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,600 basically see all of your cat magazines turning into the 53 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,900 German cat, your to like, how does this mechanism work? 54 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,600 Well, in Nazi Germany, it was fairly clear how this mechanism 55 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,000 works. You had a Ministry of Truth. 56 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,400 It was called actually. You propaganda ministerium in 57 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,900 its head was familiar friend, Joseph Goebbels and of Joseph 58 00:03:02,900 --> 00:03:05,800 you didn't print with Joseph Goebbels, wanted you to print he 59 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,400 was like, no. Actually your cat magazine is 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,000 just about cats and it's not celebrating the new Germany. 61 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,300 What's up with that? Maybe you don't believe in in 62 00:03:13,300 --> 00:03:15,000 your new Germany. Hmm. 63 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:18,000 That's interesting. Let's reflect on where we go 64 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:18,800 with that. Right? 65 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,200 No. And so that was a very 66 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:25,200 straightforward way of basically making sure that everything you 67 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,800 encountered was suffused with that ideology. 68 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:30,900 He until you swam in it, like a fish swims and water. 69 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,600 Well, what you notice is fascinating about our systems. 70 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,400 There's no coordination mechanism that it's all, that's 71 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,700 at all, like that. And yet, that same coordination 72 00:03:39,700 --> 00:03:44,700 mechanism is unquestionably occurring, and even the fucking. 73 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:47,800 If you're a, you know, fan of English soccer, like, you know, 74 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,500 they kneeled to George Floyd at the start of every game in the 75 00:03:50,508 --> 00:03:54,700 Premier League now, right? And you're just like, what, you 76 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:57,800 know, probably in Mongolia there. 77 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,600 Black lives matter demonstrations. 78 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,600 They never even seen a black black person, you know. 79 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,300 And and you know in here they are wearing Bulls jerseys or 80 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:11,400 whatever. And I mean, um, so yeah, you 81 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:17,800 have this strange sense in which this thing is being homogenized 82 00:04:17,899 --> 00:04:22,000 but it's clearly not being homogenized by pressure and 83 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,400 that's sort of very confusing. But the effect I mean 84 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:29,600 essentially let's imagine an Alternate third right where 85 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,300 Goebbels comes in and then Nazis come in, and they have the same 86 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:34,400 structure as the Nazis, but they're actually good. 87 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,100 And everything they do is say is right and good and pure and 88 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:38,600 true. In that case. 89 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,600 Is that a problem that Goebbels is like, you know, tolls tells 90 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,800 the whole art, you know, German Cathedral, essentially, 91 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:49,000 everything you do must be, not see. 92 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,300 Well, if not see actually meant good and true. 93 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,100 Then you're like, how can I object to? 94 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:57,100 That was just good and true, right, but unfortunately, it 95 00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:01,700 wasn't like that. And the, you know, similarly, if 96 00:05:01,700 --> 00:05:04,700 you assume that everything woke is good and true. 97 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,500 Then you can understand why people are doing this and why 98 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:13,100 they want to coordinate, you know, turn everything in society 99 00:05:13,100 --> 00:05:17,500 into this ginormous megaphone, but, you know, that's not 100 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:21,400 actually what's going on. It's not exclusively good and 101 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,600 true and it's actually kind of weird and creepy and 102 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,700 understanding how something can be weird. 103 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:30,700 We Americans basically, whenever we find something weird and 104 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:33,900 creepy we look for the king. We're like, okay, they're got 105 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:35,900 there's got there has to be a jurist, the third somewhere in 106 00:05:35,900 --> 00:05:38,300 here, right? And there has to be a global 107 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:40,800 somewhere in here, and we got to kill the king, you know, maybe 108 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,000 it's Jews right? Or whatever. 109 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,400 It's even when you're doing maybe the Jews. 110 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,300 It's still a variant of that same reaction where you're 111 00:05:47,300 --> 00:05:50,500 basically looking for the central coordination Point 112 00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:53,400 behind this, but actually, there's no Central coordination 113 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,700 point. So you're just wrong and you're 114 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:57,800 just in a trap and your efforts are getting newer. 115 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,300 So that's essentially the importance of thinking, in terms 116 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:02,200 of, that's what I mean by the cathedral. 117 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:04,900 What does it mean to be red? Pilled? 118 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:08,900 What does it mean to be red pill, dwell on, you know, of 119 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:13,800 course, that's a, you know, I may have been one of the one of 120 00:06:13,808 --> 00:06:15,600 the first possibly even the first. 121 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,800 I'm not sure to steal that from the wachowskis. 122 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,500 I can tell you what it meant in the movie, The, the wachowskis 123 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:27,400 themselves, you know, you know, insist that it's all about being 124 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,300 transgender. Gendered? 125 00:06:28,900 --> 00:06:31,200 You no one can certainly understand their perspective and 126 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,900 that maybe that's what they meant. 127 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,100 You know, I can remember that when I was thinking of it. 128 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:40,000 I, you know, I remember where I was, when I had the idea of 129 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,800 using this metaphor in the other direction, which is, I was 130 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,300 sitting in a coffee to the people, which is in the corner 131 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:50,500 of hate and Masonic in that Kate Ashbury in San Francisco, and 132 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:53,000 it's this, it's actually owned by Chinese people. 133 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,900 I think, but it's covered with because the espresso is 134 00:06:55,900 --> 00:06:59,300 terrible. Never Espresso serve, my anyone 135 00:06:59,300 --> 00:07:04,500 who doesn't drink espresso, but the in any case, great place to 136 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:07,800 work near where I lived at the time, and it's covered with 137 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,300 leftist propaganda stickers, from like the 60s. 138 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:13,300 And so I was like, you know, okay, what would happen if you 139 00:07:13,308 --> 00:07:16,500 basically turn this thing around and actually to be right wing 140 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:20,100 was to be red pill which is clearly very far from the 141 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:22,700 intention of that movie and still more. 142 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:25,400 It's absolutely execrable sequels. 143 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:32,200 And, you know, And and so, you know, that's sort of what it 144 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,000 meant to me. What it meant to me was first of 145 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:41,100 all, sort of completely a complete negation of kind of the 146 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:46,600 whole frame of thinking about politics and history that I was 147 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,500 brought up in which really, you know, had to be every bit the 148 00:07:51,500 --> 00:07:53,900 equal of sort of the frame breaking that you would have to 149 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:57,400 do if you'd grown up growing up under Soviet communism, right? 150 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,300 And so, You know, that's quite a bit of rain breaking. 151 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:03,200 And the way these systems work is you sort of break a piece of 152 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,500 the frame and you think you've gotten it. 153 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:08,200 All right, and then you're like, it actually goes deeper. 154 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,900 In fact, you know, one of the things that that really broke my 155 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:14,400 brain is one thing I picked up at a used bookstore. 156 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,900 Once was a stack of this magazine called Soviet life, 157 00:08:18,100 --> 00:08:21,100 which turned out to have been printed in this bizarre, 70s to 158 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:24,500 taunt deal in which we would print copies of Life magazine 159 00:08:24,500 --> 00:08:26,300 and distribute them in the Soviet Union. 160 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:29,300 And then the Soviets would Print copies of this thing. 161 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:32,200 Soviet life which were written in English and distribute them 162 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,600 in America in like the 80s, right? 163 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,100 So, here's these 80s magazines. And first of all, they're like 164 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:39,600 80s, leftism is just pure 80s, leftism. 165 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:42,299 You're just like wow, this is 80s progressivism like that. 166 00:08:42,299 --> 00:08:45,100 You know, we are seeing the world through 80s progressivism 167 00:08:45,100 --> 00:08:48,500 printed in Moscow, right? But the more interesting thing 168 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:51,500 was they had all sorts of, you know, you know articles about 169 00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:53,800 the past as well. And then you suddenly realize 170 00:08:53,800 --> 00:09:00,500 with the shock that the Soviet pre The Soviet 19th century is 171 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:03,400 exactly the same as the Western 19th century. 172 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:05,700 Right? And the thing is, you're looking 173 00:09:05,700 --> 00:09:08,600 at, to sort of forks of one tradition. 174 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,300 This thing is still coming out of the western liberal 175 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:13,100 tradition. And so it has the same cure is 176 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:14,600 in the same villains. In the same. 177 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,900 You're like, this is just another branch of the same 178 00:09:16,900 --> 00:09:19,800 fucking story. And if I was in the Soviet Union 179 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,100 and I was like the Soviet 20th century is crap. 180 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:28,100 I'm like Maybe the Soviet 19th centuries crap to write and and 181 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:31,100 then that at that point you sort of realize how much frame 182 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:35,800 breaking there is to do. And so, you know, when you think 183 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,800 of That said, I think the sort of folk understanding of the red 184 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,600 pill is very different. I think the folk understanding 185 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,400 of the red pill is basically like I'm a fifteen-year-old. 186 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,400 I'm in high school. I hate to shit. 187 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,100 I hate all this fucking bullshit. 188 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,300 Fuck all this shit. I'm wearing, my like black 189 00:09:53,300 --> 00:09:57,300 trench coat to school every day. You know, I'm the verge of like, 190 00:09:57,300 --> 00:10:00,500 you know, I hate my like, you know, social studies class so 191 00:10:00,500 --> 00:10:02,400 much. I'm on the verge of like cutting 192 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,600 a swastika on my forearm, right, you know, and then I go to my 193 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,200 counsel and guidance. And I'm like, I hate this crap. 194 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,200 What is this crap? I can't fucking stand anymore. 195 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,700 This fucking work shit anymore. Tell me what the opposite of 196 00:10:12,700 --> 00:10:14,700 this is and she's like, well, it's very simple. 197 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:19,200 If you're not into this, you're into Hitler and what is your 15 198 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,900 year old kid do he's like, hey, what am I gonna do 199 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,900 alternative to this? Crap is Hitler. 200 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,300 And then you're just like, why is it everybody into Hitler? 201 00:10:39,300 --> 00:10:44,500 Well, you know, Jesus is that was the sure great way to be 202 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:46,100 anti-fascist. Wow, you know anymore 203 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:49,300 anti-fascist than that and we'll that fucking ride hard fucking 204 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:51,200 hide riches. They fucking president, you 205 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:59,200 know, that's so those are kind of in a way, the two meanings of 206 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,500 red pilled for me. And so, I naturally, you know, I 207 00:11:02,500 --> 00:11:06,500 love, you can go ahead and find a this wonderful for our 208 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:09,200 podcast. Cast of me, I'm chatting 209 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,600 chatting with the Nazi, a borzoi known as tedward Wang, great guy 210 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,400 and we have an hour-long conversation, but the Holocaust, 211 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,600 you know, it's like I love, I love, I love doing Outreach 212 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,200 these people, right? You know, I'll get it like, 213 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,600 Holocaust deniers like call me. We'll get into it. 214 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:32,900 The, the like which of course is actually the thing is that real? 215 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:35,600 Real Holocaust Scholars? Actually do that, which is one 216 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,100 way you can tell the Holocaust is They don't like run away from 217 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:44,200 it and in the traditional live way and, you know, but like 218 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,400 they're pro-choice of like, you know, we're gonna like insist to 219 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,500 you that all this crap is true when it's obviously crap. 220 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:53,800 And then when you try to argue with us, we're going to run 221 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,000 away. Like, you know, that's like it's 222 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,500 just such a terrible way to deal with like a rebellious 223 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:03,400 fifteen-year-old. And and so it's just absolutely 224 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:04,700 no surprise. No surprise. 225 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:06,800 That these kids are all carving swastikas in there. 226 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:09,600 Forearms or whatever. I don't blame Hitler for that. 227 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,000 I blame you for that Miss guidance counselor. 228 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,800 So yeah, that those are, those are the two meanings of red 229 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,700 pills. You had a third question if we 230 00:12:18,700 --> 00:12:22,400 can find go real quick. Yes, final question, the left 231 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,600 and right, disagree on a wide range of unrelated issues, 232 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,700 immigration global warming, gun control abortion. 233 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:32,400 Get a voter fraud. Why is it that on so many 234 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,800 unrelated issues? You'd think there'd be overlap. 235 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,800 But there isn't. What do you think is the heart 236 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,800 of The left and right. Disagreement. 237 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:44,000 I think I don't think leftist like thinking in terms of issues 238 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,200 is basically this kind of model of the like Marketplace of ideas 239 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,300 that comes out of like 19th century. 240 00:12:49,300 --> 00:12:53,100 English liberalism. I think the more, you know, 241 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:56,700 correct way to think about it is to think about, first of all, 242 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:59,700 these aren't, you know, different sets of like opinions. 243 00:12:59,700 --> 00:13:01,700 These are different social groups and different social 244 00:13:01,700 --> 00:13:05,600 classes either even. And so the question when you 245 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,900 were like, who believes And what issues are more, what ways of 246 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:12,800 thinking, flourish in these different, social classes? 247 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:15,900 Right? And when you look at the way our 248 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:18,800 ruling class in which I have the privilege and the honor to be 249 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,500 grow up to be brought up in, you know, which is not necessarily 250 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:24,900 economically rich. I wasn't brought up economically 251 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:27,600 rich, but I was brought up sort of politically and socially 252 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:33,100 rich, is that early? So I was a legacy admit to an 253 00:13:33,100 --> 00:13:35,500 Ivy League school. It's amazing how much, how many 254 00:13:35,500 --> 00:13:36,600 points you get for being a legacy? 255 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:43,000 The way it's like being black, it's fucked up and it's like way 256 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000 bigger than I thought it was when they actually studied that. 257 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,000 It's so basically being from the scene. 258 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,700 I can tell you why the ideas that circulate well in the left 259 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:55,000 circulate well in the left, it's because basically, these are 260 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,600 powerful ideas and they make you feel important and Powerful, 261 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,800 when you believe them. It's like, you know, gun 262 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,000 control, for example, you know, the very good example is 263 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,600 basically, we talked about this earlier gun control. 264 00:14:06,900 --> 00:14:09,800 Makes you feel powerful because you're participating in 265 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,500 disarming the enemy Army, right? You know, and whenever you look 266 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:18,600 at an idea, that's basically popular among the left. 267 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:23,400 You can basically always trace it to this idea, you know, sort 268 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,800 of brings forth power. And in fact, they go, you know 269 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:32,500 easily back and forth on, you know, like you can always 270 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:35,100 derive. You can generally you can always 271 00:14:35,100 --> 00:14:38,500 work backward from the issues to the The force behind the issue 272 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:41,700 and you can also work sort of forward on that. 273 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,300 And one thing you can do is you can look at issues where it 274 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:48,300 different phases in this, they've taken different sides of 275 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:50,300 it. For example, you might remember 276 00:14:50,300 --> 00:14:52,900 that Donald Trump is a nationalist and that's bad, but 277 00:14:52,900 --> 00:14:55,300 you might also have heard that Ho Chi Minh is a nationalist and 278 00:14:55,300 --> 00:14:58,500 that's good. You know, you might even heard 279 00:14:58,500 --> 00:15:01,400 that Mussolini is an Italian nationalists and that's bad. 280 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,200 But Garibaldi was an Italian nationalists and that's good. 281 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:08,200 So what is this is too good. Ilysm and bad nationalism. 282 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,400 What's going on? Right? 283 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,600 My favorite example of this is in South Africa in the early 284 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,200 20s. There was a general strike of 285 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,600 Mine Workers who at the time were all white and mine workers 286 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,900 called the ran revolt. And you can see actually in 287 00:15:20,900 --> 00:15:23,900 pictures of the lure and Revolt, which was a Communist Party of 288 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:28,000 South Africa, you know, job. Of course, the Communist Party 289 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,600 of South Africa is laid at the party of Mandela, but this was 290 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,000 it was a white party at the time. 291 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,200 And in fact, it was such a white party that you can see people 292 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,600 with picket signs. In pictures of the Rand revolt 293 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,100 and they're marching around picket signs that say workers of 294 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:45,400 the World, Unite to keep South Africa, White. 295 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,100 So essentially you're just like these motherfuckers will believe 296 00:15:51,100 --> 00:15:55,300 in anything and the believing anything, right? 297 00:15:55,300 --> 00:15:56,600 You know, they'll go full racist. 298 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,000 One of my other favorite examples is we're talking about 299 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,200 dr. Seuss earlier. 300 00:16:00,300 --> 00:16:03,500 Well, if you like a dr. Seuss's wartime and even pre-war 301 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:06,400 cartoons, dr. Seuss did some of the most 302 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,000 racist racist art, that's ever been done? 303 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,000 His caricatures of, like, Japanese people would be like, I 304 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000 mean, you would, you would be arrested for that. 305 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,300 Now, I mean in England, like you would Literally be arrested and 306 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:20,000 in America would be kicked out of college. 307 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:21,800 Right? And this is dr. 308 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,500 Seuss and you know, but sure enough, the u.s. 309 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:27,300 Is fighting against fascist, Japan, in World War Two And it's 310 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:30,400 like, any port in a storm. Like, if you get can get people 311 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,500 to be more apt, anti-japanese by making them racist. 312 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,200 Go ahead. We'll fix it later. 313 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:38,600 Right? And and so, when you look at 314 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,900 sort of where these issues come from, they come from a certain 315 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:44,900 kind of political psychology, and then, of course, when you 316 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:48,600 look at the issues, Is that Prosper among the American, 317 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,200 right? Those are also issues that that 318 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,800 make people feel powerful, but they make people feel powerful. 319 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Not in the sense of essentially to the left power is an end. 320 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,900 Whereas to the right, it's a means to an end and that's 321 00:17:04,900 --> 00:17:07,300 basically why the left always wins in the Laredo is losses. 322 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,000 Um, and and when you like, when you look at sort of these 323 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,400 issues, I you know, it's much better to see politics in terms. 324 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,200 Persons than issues and still better to see it in terms of 325 00:17:21,300 --> 00:17:25,200 power structures. And so when you look at these 326 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,800 issues, you're just like this is something that sort of falls out 327 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,800 of the power structures and if by the way you're in politics to 328 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,900 win on issues, you're already know you're going to lose, you 329 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:42,300 know, and the whole way of, you know, the whole sort of lib 330 00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:45,400 ethics is they get people to think about these issues but 331 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,800 what they're feeling is Is the sense of being part of this 332 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,300 thing that's coming together to wield power. 333 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:54,700 Whereas the right and America, that certainly, as you go deeper 334 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:57,300 into the like the GOP established, right, you know, 335 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,700 like the the justices that Trump appointed that just voted voted 336 00:18:01,700 --> 00:18:03,900 against him. They're like anything. 337 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:07,700 It's the farthest possible thing from their minds to say we're 338 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:09,500 here to win power for the, right. 339 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:12,500 That's not how these people think at all, and that is why 340 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:15,500 they would voting and they're absolutely sincere in that. 341 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,900 They're like, we're here. You know, to fix the Republic, 342 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:21,200 they believe that the Republic is fundamentally good and true. 343 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:27,800 And you know, divinely ordained and has, you know, a certain 344 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,300 problems. It has some issues. 345 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:30,700 But you know, they're here to fix it. 346 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:32,400 Right and they're going to fix it. 347 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,100 And there's going to like America is going to be America 348 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:37,000 again, and we're not going to have abortion and, you know, 349 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,100 whatever, right? And this is how they're 350 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:41,200 thinking, they're thinking like repairman. 351 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:44,000 And so, in fact, what they're doing is they're basically 352 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,000 trying to repair something that they can't repair. r that 353 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,900 actually, they should be trying to demolish and that has 354 00:18:50,900 --> 00:18:55,200 basically most American conservatives working in exactly 355 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,200 the wrong direction, which is, you know, as we've been saying 356 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,000 all afternoon is essentially how what you do when you're in a 357 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,700 trap and what you need to do, when you're in a trap, is 358 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:09,500 basically think about how your instincts are almost, certainly 359 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:12,000 reading leading, you deeper into the Trap, and you need to 360 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,300 override those instincts with your forebrain and think 361 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:19,100 tactically and Machiavelli in way and you're like, how can we 362 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:22,100 all work together to get out of this trap rather than following 363 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:25,100 our instincts deeper into it? Make sense. 364 00:19:25,500 --> 00:19:28,800 Excellent again, check them out at Great mirror. 365 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,500 Dotsub stack.com. You will see the link in the 366 00:19:31,700 --> 00:19:32,800 description. Mr. Garvin. 367 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,500 Thank you so much for being so. All right. 368 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,400 Thanks so much, mr. Night and have a have an 369 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,200 absolutely great day, too.