What is the cathedral? What is the cathedral?
The cathedral is essentially the reification of the legitimate
sources of information. So the cathedral is essentially
performing the functions that a Ministry of Truth would perform
in a classic orwellian, you know, environment and it's
performing the functions that our religion would in a classic
theocracy and what you essentially see when you look at
the legitimate press. Is today, you know, one good way
to see it as if you go on Wikipedia, you're like where
does this information in Wikipedia come from?
The answer is it comes from reliable sources and you'll say
you'll go to WP reliable sources and you're like, okay, what's
who decides, what are brittle out, what's a reliable source,
and actually, you can read through that whole WP reliable
sources page and our explains and actually very, very
understandable English. What a reliable sources are
reliable sources a source, which is reliable.
You're like, okay. Is there a mechanism for
deciding that the New York Times is or isn't a reliable source,
or how can, you know, like know, right, you know, this is all
basically, you know, it's arbitrary, it's grandfather.
It's basically the same kind of thing as saying.
How is it decided that the Bourbons are actually legitimate
kings of France? Answer is they are right?
And how is the New York Times, the legitimate press?
It is. And by virtue of being the
legitimate, press, it essentially.
Lee, it gets the best people. It's the most talented, you
know, the people there, just a little Notch above the
Washington Post and a big Notch above the Baltimore Sun.
And and that's how the sort of Merit meritocratic oligarchy
works. On the other hand.
We look at this and we see notice to puzzling things about
this one is that it's completely decentralized.
Okay, the x is 0, its first among equals, if it was
destroyed by an asteroid tomorrow system would still
exist. So this not like it's the chief,
you know, there's no Kingdom there.
And number two, is that all these Outlets agree with each
other. They are as biblical Scholars
say synoptic and they are as students of the third righteous,
you know, say I'm glaciated, which means there's this term
glacial tongue, which students of Nazi Germany is, which was
also used in actually by Nazis themselves, which means
basically coordination. So everything in Germany
basically becomes suffused. With ideology.
There's this great diarist of the Third Reich, Victor klemper.
Emperor, who was a Jewish philologist, and he had a cat,
and he subscribed to in 1931. He subscribed to a cap magazine
and it was about cats. But by 1935 this magazine was
all about the German CAD, right, you know, and so, when you
basically see all of your cat magazines turning into the
German cat, your to like, how does this mechanism work?
Well, in Nazi Germany, it was fairly clear how this mechanism
works. You had a Ministry of Truth.
It was called actually. You propaganda ministerium in
its head was familiar friend, Joseph Goebbels and of Joseph
you didn't print with Joseph Goebbels, wanted you to print he
was like, no. Actually your cat magazine is
just about cats and it's not celebrating the new Germany.
What's up with that? Maybe you don't believe in in
your new Germany. Hmm.
That's interesting. Let's reflect on where we go
with that. Right?
No. And so that was a very
straightforward way of basically making sure that everything you
encountered was suffused with that ideology.
He until you swam in it, like a fish swims and water.
Well, what you notice is fascinating about our systems.
There's no coordination mechanism that it's all, that's
at all, like that. And yet, that same coordination
mechanism is unquestionably occurring, and even the fucking.
If you're a, you know, fan of English soccer, like, you know,
they kneeled to George Floyd at the start of every game in the
Premier League now, right? And you're just like, what, you
know, probably in Mongolia there.
Black lives matter demonstrations.
They never even seen a black black person, you know.
And and you know in here they are wearing Bulls jerseys or
whatever. And I mean, um, so yeah, you
have this strange sense in which this thing is being homogenized
but it's clearly not being homogenized by pressure and
that's sort of very confusing. But the effect I mean
essentially let's imagine an Alternate third right where
Goebbels comes in and then Nazis come in, and they have the same
structure as the Nazis, but they're actually good.
And everything they do is say is right and good and pure and
true. In that case.
Is that a problem that Goebbels is like, you know, tolls tells
the whole art, you know, German Cathedral, essentially,
everything you do must be, not see.
Well, if not see actually meant good and true.
Then you're like, how can I object to?
That was just good and true, right, but unfortunately, it
wasn't like that. And the, you know, similarly, if
you assume that everything woke is good and true.
Then you can understand why people are doing this and why
they want to coordinate, you know, turn everything in society
into this ginormous megaphone, but, you know, that's not
actually what's going on. It's not exclusively good and
true and it's actually kind of weird and creepy and
understanding how something can be weird.
We Americans basically, whenever we find something weird and
creepy we look for the king. We're like, okay, they're got
there's got there has to be a jurist, the third somewhere in
here, right? And there has to be a global
somewhere in here, and we got to kill the king, you know, maybe
it's Jews right? Or whatever.
It's even when you're doing maybe the Jews.
It's still a variant of that same reaction where you're
basically looking for the central coordination Point
behind this, but actually, there's no Central coordination
point. So you're just wrong and you're
just in a trap and your efforts are getting newer.
So that's essentially the importance of thinking, in terms
of, that's what I mean by the cathedral.
What does it mean to be red? Pilled?
What does it mean to be red pill, dwell on, you know, of
course, that's a, you know, I may have been one of the one of
the first possibly even the first.
I'm not sure to steal that from the wachowskis.
I can tell you what it meant in the movie, The, the wachowskis
themselves, you know, you know, insist that it's all about being
transgender. Gendered?
You no one can certainly understand their perspective and
that maybe that's what they meant.
You know, I can remember that when I was thinking of it.
I, you know, I remember where I was, when I had the idea of
using this metaphor in the other direction, which is, I was
sitting in a coffee to the people, which is in the corner
of hate and Masonic in that Kate Ashbury in San Francisco, and
it's this, it's actually owned by Chinese people.
I think, but it's covered with because the espresso is
terrible. Never Espresso serve, my anyone
who doesn't drink espresso, but the in any case, great place to
work near where I lived at the time, and it's covered with
leftist propaganda stickers, from like the 60s.
And so I was like, you know, okay, what would happen if you
basically turn this thing around and actually to be right wing
was to be red pill which is clearly very far from the
intention of that movie and still more.
It's absolutely execrable sequels.
And, you know, And and so, you know, that's sort of what it
meant to me. What it meant to me was first of
all, sort of completely a complete negation of kind of the
whole frame of thinking about politics and history that I was
brought up in which really, you know, had to be every bit the
equal of sort of the frame breaking that you would have to
do if you'd grown up growing up under Soviet communism, right?
And so, You know, that's quite a bit of rain breaking.
And the way these systems work is you sort of break a piece of
the frame and you think you've gotten it.
All right, and then you're like, it actually goes deeper.
In fact, you know, one of the things that that really broke my
brain is one thing I picked up at a used bookstore.
Once was a stack of this magazine called Soviet life,
which turned out to have been printed in this bizarre, 70s to
taunt deal in which we would print copies of Life magazine
and distribute them in the Soviet Union.
And then the Soviets would Print copies of this thing.
Soviet life which were written in English and distribute them
in America in like the 80s, right?
So, here's these 80s magazines. And first of all, they're like
80s, leftism is just pure 80s, leftism.
You're just like wow, this is 80s progressivism like that.
You know, we are seeing the world through 80s progressivism
printed in Moscow, right? But the more interesting thing
was they had all sorts of, you know, you know articles about
the past as well. And then you suddenly realize
with the shock that the Soviet pre The Soviet 19th century is
exactly the same as the Western 19th century.
Right? And the thing is, you're looking
at, to sort of forks of one tradition.
This thing is still coming out of the western liberal
tradition. And so it has the same cure is
in the same villains. In the same.
You're like, this is just another branch of the same
fucking story. And if I was in the Soviet Union
and I was like the Soviet 20th century is crap.
I'm like Maybe the Soviet 19th centuries crap to write and and
then that at that point you sort of realize how much frame
breaking there is to do. And so, you know, when you think
of That said, I think the sort of folk understanding of the red
pill is very different. I think the folk understanding
of the red pill is basically like I'm a fifteen-year-old.
I'm in high school. I hate to shit.
I hate all this fucking bullshit.
Fuck all this shit. I'm wearing, my like black
trench coat to school every day. You know, I'm the verge of like,
you know, I hate my like, you know, social studies class so
much. I'm on the verge of like cutting
a swastika on my forearm, right, you know, and then I go to my
counsel and guidance. And I'm like, I hate this crap.
What is this crap? I can't fucking stand anymore.
This fucking work shit anymore. Tell me what the opposite of
this is and she's like, well, it's very simple.
If you're not into this, you're into Hitler and what is your 15
year old kid do he's like, hey, what am I gonna do
alternative to this? Crap is Hitler.
And then you're just like, why is it everybody into Hitler?
Well, you know, Jesus is that was the sure great way to be
anti-fascist. Wow, you know anymore
anti-fascist than that and we'll that fucking ride hard fucking
hide riches. They fucking president, you
know, that's so those are kind of in a way, the two meanings of
red pilled for me. And so, I naturally, you know, I
love, you can go ahead and find a this wonderful for our
podcast. Cast of me, I'm chatting
chatting with the Nazi, a borzoi known as tedward Wang, great guy
and we have an hour-long conversation, but the Holocaust,
you know, it's like I love, I love, I love doing Outreach
these people, right? You know, I'll get it like,
Holocaust deniers like call me. We'll get into it.
The, the like which of course is actually the thing is that real?
Real Holocaust Scholars? Actually do that, which is one
way you can tell the Holocaust is They don't like run away from
it and in the traditional live way and, you know, but like
they're pro-choice of like, you know, we're gonna like insist to
you that all this crap is true when it's obviously crap.
And then when you try to argue with us, we're going to run
away. Like, you know, that's like it's
just such a terrible way to deal with like a rebellious
fifteen-year-old. And and so it's just absolutely
no surprise. No surprise.
That these kids are all carving swastikas in there.
Forearms or whatever. I don't blame Hitler for that.
I blame you for that Miss guidance counselor.
So yeah, that those are, those are the two meanings of red
pills. You had a third question if we
can find go real quick. Yes, final question, the left
and right, disagree on a wide range of unrelated issues,
immigration global warming, gun control abortion.
Get a voter fraud. Why is it that on so many
unrelated issues? You'd think there'd be overlap.
But there isn't. What do you think is the heart
of The left and right. Disagreement.
I think I don't think leftist like thinking in terms of issues
is basically this kind of model of the like Marketplace of ideas
that comes out of like 19th century.
English liberalism. I think the more, you know,
correct way to think about it is to think about, first of all,
these aren't, you know, different sets of like opinions.
These are different social groups and different social
classes either even. And so the question when you
were like, who believes And what issues are more, what ways of
thinking, flourish in these different, social classes?
Right? And when you look at the way our
ruling class in which I have the privilege and the honor to be
grow up to be brought up in, you know, which is not necessarily
economically rich. I wasn't brought up economically
rich, but I was brought up sort of politically and socially
rich, is that early? So I was a legacy admit to an
Ivy League school. It's amazing how much, how many
points you get for being a legacy?
The way it's like being black, it's fucked up and it's like way
bigger than I thought it was when they actually studied that.
It's so basically being from the scene.
I can tell you why the ideas that circulate well in the left
circulate well in the left, it's because basically, these are
powerful ideas and they make you feel important and Powerful,
when you believe them. It's like, you know, gun
control, for example, you know, the very good example is
basically, we talked about this earlier gun control.
Makes you feel powerful because you're participating in
disarming the enemy Army, right? You know, and whenever you look
at an idea, that's basically popular among the left.
You can basically always trace it to this idea, you know, sort
of brings forth power. And in fact, they go, you know
easily back and forth on, you know, like you can always
derive. You can generally you can always
work backward from the issues to the The force behind the issue
and you can also work sort of forward on that.
And one thing you can do is you can look at issues where it
different phases in this, they've taken different sides of
it. For example, you might remember
that Donald Trump is a nationalist and that's bad, but
you might also have heard that Ho Chi Minh is a nationalist and
that's good. You know, you might even heard
that Mussolini is an Italian nationalists and that's bad.
But Garibaldi was an Italian nationalists and that's good.
So what is this is too good. Ilysm and bad nationalism.
What's going on? Right?
My favorite example of this is in South Africa in the early
20s. There was a general strike of
Mine Workers who at the time were all white and mine workers
called the ran revolt. And you can see actually in
pictures of the lure and Revolt, which was a Communist Party of
South Africa, you know, job. Of course, the Communist Party
of South Africa is laid at the party of Mandela, but this was
it was a white party at the time.
And in fact, it was such a white party that you can see people
with picket signs. In pictures of the Rand revolt
and they're marching around picket signs that say workers of
the World, Unite to keep South Africa, White.
So essentially you're just like these motherfuckers will believe
in anything and the believing anything, right?
You know, they'll go full racist.
One of my other favorite examples is we're talking about
dr. Seuss earlier.
Well, if you like a dr. Seuss's wartime and even pre-war
cartoons, dr. Seuss did some of the most
racist racist art, that's ever been done?
His caricatures of, like, Japanese people would be like, I
mean, you would, you would be arrested for that.
Now, I mean in England, like you would Literally be arrested and
in America would be kicked out of college.
Right? And this is dr.
Seuss and you know, but sure enough, the u.s.
Is fighting against fascist, Japan, in World War Two And it's
like, any port in a storm. Like, if you get can get people
to be more apt, anti-japanese by making them racist.
Go ahead. We'll fix it later.
Right? And and so, when you look at
sort of where these issues come from, they come from a certain
kind of political psychology, and then, of course, when you
look at the issues, Is that Prosper among the American,
right? Those are also issues that that
make people feel powerful, but they make people feel powerful.
Not in the sense of essentially to the left power is an end.
Whereas to the right, it's a means to an end and that's
basically why the left always wins in the Laredo is losses.
Um, and and when you like, when you look at sort of these
issues, I you know, it's much better to see politics in terms.
Persons than issues and still better to see it in terms of
power structures. And so when you look at these
issues, you're just like this is something that sort of falls out
of the power structures and if by the way you're in politics to
win on issues, you're already know you're going to lose, you
know, and the whole way of, you know, the whole sort of lib
ethics is they get people to think about these issues but
what they're feeling is Is the sense of being part of this
thing that's coming together to wield power.
Whereas the right and America, that certainly, as you go deeper
into the like the GOP established, right, you know,
like the the justices that Trump appointed that just voted voted
against him. They're like anything.
It's the farthest possible thing from their minds to say we're
here to win power for the, right.
That's not how these people think at all, and that is why
they would voting and they're absolutely sincere in that.
They're like, we're here. You know, to fix the Republic,
they believe that the Republic is fundamentally good and true.
And you know, divinely ordained and has, you know, a certain
problems. It has some issues.
But you know, they're here to fix it.
Right and they're going to fix it.
And there's going to like America is going to be America
again, and we're not going to have abortion and, you know,
whatever, right? And this is how they're
thinking, they're thinking like repairman.
And so, in fact, what they're doing is they're basically
trying to repair something that they can't repair. r that
actually, they should be trying to demolish and that has
basically most American conservatives working in exactly
the wrong direction, which is, you know, as we've been saying
all afternoon is essentially how what you do when you're in a
trap and what you need to do, when you're in a trap, is
basically think about how your instincts are almost, certainly
reading leading, you deeper into the Trap, and you need to
override those instincts with your forebrain and think
tactically and Machiavelli in way and you're like, how can we
all work together to get out of this trap rather than following
our instincts deeper into it? Make sense.
Excellent again, check them out at Great mirror.
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description. Mr. Garvin.
Thank you so much for being so. All right.
Thanks so much, mr. Night and have a have an
absolutely great day, too.