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Welcome to the don't tread on 
anyone podcast and the 

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libertarian Institute. 
Today. 

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I am joined by read Coverdale of
the naturalist capitals podcasts

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read. 
Thanks so much for your time, 

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brother. 
Thanks for having me on again. 

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Keith and we have Patrick 
McFarland of the libertarian 

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Institute and the Liberty weekly
podcast. 

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Patrick. 
What's happening, Brother? 

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Hey, not much, man. 
Thanks for having me back. 

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I saw this collection of quotes 
in a publication by the Mises 

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Institute. 
These are basically War and 

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Peace quotes by Ludwig, von 
mises from a collection of his 

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work. 
So I thought we could read three

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at a time and see if they have 
stood the test of Time For 

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Heaven's Sake, the guy was 
riding in like the late 40s and 

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the 50s English was not even his
first language. 

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So I thought we could test the 
Austrian master and see what he 

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was up to see if his his ideas. 
Are are still valid today. 

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Read do you want to read the 
first three for us and then we 

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can discuss them. 
Sure. 

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Do you want me to read what? 
It's from too? 

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Or just the quote not 
necessarily because there's a 

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lot of repeats from Human 
Action. 

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Okay. 
Sure. 

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All right, first up we got 
whoever wishes peace among 

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people must fight statism modern
society based as it is on the 

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division of labor can be 
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Only under conditions of 
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Peace. 
The market economy, involves 

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peaceful cooperation it bursts 
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into Warriors, and instead of 
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services, fight one another Pat.
What are your first thoughts 

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when you hear those three, well,
the first quote, basically kind 

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of drives home this point that 
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of statism itself because it's 
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Does realize. 
So we really identify statism as

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being threats of violence, like 
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force, the legitimize use of 
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And then, so war in of itself 
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of that process. 
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between, you know, the the 
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are exchanging goods, and both 
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Warfare is just the absolute 
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And I think that's what these 
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Encapsulate. 
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cooperation from war because, 
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People will blame the voluntary 
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military-industrial complex, 
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involves initiating violence 
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And they'll be like, yep. 
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it's antithetical to free market
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statism is always some people 
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against others and those people 
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So if the victim resists it's a 
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statism so yet but virtually all
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Some people who are going 
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thoughts on statism Peaceful 
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Commodities and Service as 
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lot of the interest in Ukraine 
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politicians having relatives, 
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certain areas of the gas 
industry in Ukraine, and there's

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been an extortion, and bribery 
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involved with that nature, from 
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When, if this was just a 
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having all this conflict taking 
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So, I think that just points to 
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the state involved, trying to 
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then The voluntary exchange goes
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have conflict. 
That read the next three for us.

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Okay. 
So modern war is not a war of 

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Royal armies. 
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total war. 
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not leave to their subjects, any
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They consider the whole 
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Forces who ever does not fight 
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Equipment of the army army, and 
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The citizens passionately, 
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is their state, their God. 
Who fights what the 

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incompatibility of warranty? 
Tourism really means. 

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This is the next quote, is that 
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compatible, or incompatible 
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And the final quote is society, 
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making peace and not war is the 
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Only economic action has created
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Around us labor. 
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brings happiness. 
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What I love about this. 
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He also saw that, people were 
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In other words, a criminal 
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of people because it was almost 
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fighting on behalf of Kings. 
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war with Ukraine. 
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If we merge those populations, 
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war, something like zero 
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like zero. 
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Some of these read. 
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last three? 
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you just said and what's ironic 
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support going to war. 
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situation. 
They can't even find Ukraine or 

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some of them. 
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They have no idea what strategic
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Russia, or to Nato, or to the 
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specifically to them, and 
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to go to Or rarely have a 
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so, but I think you're right 
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to at all. 
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people feeling like they have to
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Politic, as opposed to, you 
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I'm not sure. 
I don't know how to fly an 

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airplane or give surgery. 
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also don't know what's going on 
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geographical areas. 
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apparently there's no humility 
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Pat thoughts on these last 
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Yeah, I mean, around mises this 
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mean, during during the first 
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see it happening as early as the
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So, in the 1860s with Sherman's,
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were really becoming the Target,
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increase in democracy, you just 
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Like rothbard said, later on, is
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merging between the state, is us
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that just doesn't really make 
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it, but the unfortunate result 
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targets, nieces continues. 
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conduct of war must be provided 
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consumption. 
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capital available and by working
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Table of every citizen sits in 
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Garage stays not only the family
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tank or a plane. 
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this GI needs more in food 
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he would use to consume as a 
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enormous. 
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another because they are 
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and liquidation of adversaries 
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their own well-being. 
Read Coverdale of the naturalist

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capitalist podcast. 
Any thoughts on these last 

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three? 
Yeah, I think it's really 

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interesting how he points out. 
That war does not benefit the 

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common consumer, but it actually
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the top, who profiteer off the 
mass murder of people on either 

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side of the war. 
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through World War 2 and even 
like after WWII a lot of the 

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same people who you know, were 
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They were also making products 
in Germany and then a lot of 

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people who worked for the Nazis,
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after the war was over. 
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people making the weapons, the 
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they always profit and they 
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Where the common man. 
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Patrick thoughts on the military
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Common Man bearing. 
The cost of the burdens of War. 

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Yeah, it seems, I mean, to 
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saying, one thing we're going to
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recommendations, but I, you 
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done? 
Is one of these books, this 

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concept of moral injury, but it 
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with who who becomes a Target 
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the morality of War itself, It 
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like accepted international law.
There's this this distinction at

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play between like, okay. 
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together and they have conflict 
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moral landscape applies. 
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Oh, well, you know if we're 
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area, then that's how we're 
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being a legitimate Target. 
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Soldiers are invading, then the 
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war effort. 
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well. 
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So is that? 
What was the title of that book?

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Yeah. 
This one is what have we done. 

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The moral injury of our longest 
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And this this I mean it has to 
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So, sorry to jump the shark here
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But that's, that's fine. 
I was going to ask worried. 

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What if he could pick one 
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people? 
What what would it be? 

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Mine would be enough already. 
Time to end the war on terrorism

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by Scott. 
Or and I think it's written in a

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very plain language that most 
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But it also just clearly 
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we've what we've done over the 
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it's just an insane mixture of 
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mean there were intentional 
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intentional blowback. 
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decisions that were made that 
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So anyone who has Isn't quite 
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establishment in the military 
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have it all together. 
I think they should read that 

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book and probably change their 
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So I I know that you too focused
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policy aspect, much more than 
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I had a video asking people to 
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How many bombs? 
They think America dropped in 

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2016. 
The significance as this was the

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last time we had a cool trendy. 
Winner of the Nobel, Peace Prize

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in office. 
Whereas Trump is like this evil.

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Brute was set up, was pushed in 
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even really count. 
So I go, I'll give you a real 

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legitimate president and I want 
you guys to guess how many bombs

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they dropped that year. 
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Patrick, if you had to guess, 
how many bombs did the United 

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States drop in 2016. 
I mean, I might have seen this, 

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but I think it's around 10,000. 
And read if you had to guess. 

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How many bombs would you say the
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I believe it's 26,000, but I'm 
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Well, that is why I do so much 
work because people like read 

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know the answer. 
They so so 172 Council on 

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Foreign Relations is almost 
supported every intervention 

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since I don't know. 
What the franco-prussian War. 

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I mean, every single time 
there's a war, they can find a 

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justification. 
So, briefly, Syria. 12,000, 

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Iraq. 12,000, Afghanistan. 1300 
Libya 496, Yemen, 35, Somalia, 

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14, Pakistan 3. 
And they even mentioned in this,

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This article is just so evil. 
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governance on the ground is 
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trillions of dollars. 
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America more safe. 
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My favorite part though, is 
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By extremists. 
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It's not extreme to drop 26,000 
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civilians, but entering the 
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permission. 
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Oh, that's so terrible. 

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I think I need another 
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dropped in 2016. 
That will have to be for someone

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in the comment section to inform
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So I think so. 
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President, and did not Trump 
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ago. 
I don't have anything concrete 

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in front of me. 
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clicked on every link and read 
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that So, I felt comfortable put 
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any others. 
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So you think, well, that might 
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as well. 
But back to the great wisdom of 

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Ludwig. 
Von mises read. 

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If you could, please start with 
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This one right here. 
The Distance of armaments. 

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Sorry, the existence of the 
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Industries is a consequence of 
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Not its cause What basis for war
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Once all peoples had been set 
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The liberal thinks otherwise he 
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War is an evil. 
Even for the Victor, that peace 

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is always better than War. 
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the stronger. 
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realize where his true interests
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peace is for him, the stronger, 
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the worker. 
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Isn't that interesting? 
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well. 
If you look at all the Empire's 

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whether it's the Japanese 
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Russian Empire before the Soviet
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sadly the American Empire. 
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these people down. 
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bankruptcy and either have to 
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impoverish themselves this way. 
Pay These that these Empires 

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Patrick on these last three. 
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because I think that's a direct 
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nuclear weapons. 
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the armaments industry is a 
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Spirit. 
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So by that logic recreational 
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for War and Peace So, I think 
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Read any thoughts on the warlike
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industries and hurting the 
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says what, what case for war 
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free or something along that 
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I think that's a very important 
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government got out of the way, 
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There would be more flourishing.
People would be happier. 

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People would be The trade with 
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restrict that people have more 
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desperate and you get into 
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Ghibli been completely destroyed
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external enemy and that's 
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when their economy falls apart 
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entities to blame their problems
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where we are now. 
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everybody in the country except 
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Like I said, they win the war no
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Exactly. 
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Point here. 
We certainly see that war is the

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health of the state. 
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the state can justify actions 
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Otherwise would have a very 
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populace on. 
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power. 
Well, why the hell do you need 

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that? 
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evil Germans and the evil 
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also the inverse is true that 
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So when I am swiping, someone 
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sending other people's kids off 
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legal repercussions of, you 
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because if you've murder on me, 
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policy. 
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cases, you see that the state is
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state that doesn't have moral 
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That has its own magical money 
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That no one else has, that gets 
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until the 70s around of the time
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So again, so long as we have 
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going to have this rent-seeking 
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go to war with with their 
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specifically is called 
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That one I have not read. 
Patrick start us off Wars 

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foreign and domestic Revolution 
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avoided the closer, the division
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The pacifist line of argument 
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If it's simply denies that a 
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alternative to freedom of 
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by the international Capital 
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Yeah, when whenever I see those 
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of people think it's just step 
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whatever they want. 
My understanding is you don't go

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in search of monsters to find 
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sponding to aggressors as Mark. 
Passio says cause no harm take 

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no shit is the correct line of 
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Pat any thoughts on these three?
What About Bob Murphy i-i've 

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never actually Ali. 
Listen to Bob give his pacifism 

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argument and I don't know if 
that's the non-aggression 

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principle or not. 
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I think Pat that Bob just says, 
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such activities. 
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any society that didn't have a 
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aggression. 
In that sense. 

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They would more or less hedge. 
Their bets economically. 

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I see. 
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Like take care of that, even by 
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conflict at all. 
I believe so. 

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Yeah, just simply the costs are 
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of power concentration. 
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For example, a prison system. 
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just so costly that. 
It's just not worth engaging it,

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in engaging in it at all. 
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point when he debated Tom Woods.
Good old Bob Murphy. 

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Well, the last one I think is 
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We as as it stands right now 
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the the new cold war with China 
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things that we're currently 
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issues for the Liberty Movement 
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everyone about. 
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great narrative going on, 
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right? 
That we need an economic 

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decoupling from China and I 
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dangerous. 
It's and and judging off mises 

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as quote here. 
I think it backs that up war is 

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the alternative to freedom of 
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by the international Capital 
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conflict is to occur and that I 
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situation and relationship 
between China and Taiwan right 

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now. 
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China's second largest trading 
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So if they're going to go and 
blow the whole island up and 

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invade it, while they're going 
to lose all that. 

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All that Revenue, so I wrote 
about that recently. 

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But Peter Van Buren has wrote 
about it more extensively than I

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have. 
I believe for responsible 

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statecraft. 
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So, anyways, that's my take read
Coverdale any response to the 

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division of labor people, 
gaining by War, and foreign 

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investment. 
Yeah. 

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I think, what's really 
interesting in that first quote 

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is the idea that war is less 
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And the more division of labor 
binds men and I used to work on 

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power lines where you had Crews 
of large people working together

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and you'd be shoulder to 
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might disagree with completely 
on politics and foreign policy 

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or whatever religion, but it 
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both working together trying to 
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So you'd kind of put everything 
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people who work more white 
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It's Easier for them to other 
Rise. 

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People who aren't in the same 
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they're more of a computer 
screen to them than an actual 

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man, standing in a trench 
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And it seems like the more our 
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The more digitized, everything 
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It is the less interactive with 
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The easier, it is to demonize 
entire swaths of people from 

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other places. 
Aces or people who think 

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differently. 
I mean you're seeing it in our 

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own country like you were 
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January 6. 
Those are the crazy extremists 

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that need to be put down. 
I think that's so possible 

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because of how digital and age 
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it's only going to get worse and
the more desensitized we become 

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to violence. 
The more desensitized would 

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become to hatred. 
The harder, it is going to be to

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fight this. 
So, obviously, the more we 

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trade, the more we work with, 
and the more we just interact 

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with people. 
From other countries from other 

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religions, from other political 
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There's going to be From Ludwig.
Von mises Human Action. 

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The statement that one man's bun
is another man's damage is valid

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with regard to robbery or and 
booty. 

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The robbers. 
Plunder is the damage of the 

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despoiled victim, but war and 
commerce are two different 

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things. 
The philosophy of protectionism 

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is a philosophy of war. 
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variance with popular economic. 
Once they are on the contrary, 

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the inescapable result of 
consistent application of these 

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doctrines. 
Finally, what has transformed 

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The Limited war between royal 
armies into Total War. 

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The clash between people's is 
not technicalities of military 

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art, but the substitution of the
welfare state for the 

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laissez-faire state that Rick 
McFarland of the Liberty weekly 

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podcast thoughts on these Mises 
quotes. 

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Yeah, let's go. 
I mean, the second quote really 

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kind of touches on what I said 
with with China and Taiwan, but 

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the last quote, let's read that 
again because I don't think I 

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quite grasp it and first 
reading. 

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So War has transformed The 
Limited war between royal armies

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into Total War. 
The clash between people's is 

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not technicalities of military 
art, but the substitution of the

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welfare state for the 
laissez-faire state. 

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So if mine General outlook on 
the world, is I don't deserve 

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anything from anyone unless I 
can voluntarily. 

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Get it from them. 
I don't deserve a second of 

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their time. 
I don't deserve a penny of their

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00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,900
income unless I can voluntarily,
give it from them, get it from 

461
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:02,000
them. 
That is the laissez-faire 

462
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,200
capitalist free-market ideology.
But the welfare state ideology 

463
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,000
is, people owe me stuff and more
or less anything that someone 

464
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,900
has they've either in Inherited 
it or they've got it through 

465
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:17,300
exploitation. 
This is the welfare state 

466
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:21,000
mindset, that allows things like
War to take place. 

467
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,600
Both domestically through Civil 
Wars, like the French Revolution

468
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,300
and Wars between nations and 
makes a much more likely than 

469
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,900
they, otherwise would be. 
That's what I take away from it.

470
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:36,000
Granted. 
This was on page, eight hundred 

471
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,900
and twenty of human actions. 
So maybe they were some things 

472
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:42,300
proceeding it and I'm totally 
wrong, but that's what? 

473
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,700
I think wait, so I hope I'm not 
being stupid here. 

474
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:49,900
But it's he's saying that 
substituting the welfare stayed 

475
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:53,500
for the laissez-faire capitalist
state is what is transformed 

476
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:58,300
limited War into Total War. 
Saying that the bigger, the 

477
00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:03,100
welfare state, the more people 
identify with the government, 

478
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,400
the more they see, democracy is 
legitimate and they see other 

479
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,600
countries as being 
representative of their domestic

480
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,200
populations. 
So the bigger the welfare state,

481
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,900
the more likely I am to say 
those goddamn Germans deserve, 

482
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:21,900
what they got at Dresden. 
That's the other way. 

483
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,000
I don't know if I'm wrong here. 
Let us know in the comments 

484
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,600
section below. 
I'm sorry. 

485
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,800
Or please do you have? 
Mediums are always open and 

486
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:34,200
those give me tons of material 
for future videos. 

487
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:38,300
Read Coverdale thoughts on the 
last three pieces quotes all are

488
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:41,100
from Human Action. 
Yeah, if you go to the third 

489
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:45,400
one, too, because that one was 
the one that stuck out to me and

490
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,400
I agree. 
I think it's saying what you're 

491
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,600
saying it says because I agree 
with your analysis that if you 

492
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:56,400
believe in extortion if you 
believe in the Forceful seizure 

493
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,100
of something, that is somebody 
else's to better yourself. 

494
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:05,000
Then it's not hard to make the 
leap from your personal 

495
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,500
well-being, to your nation's 
well-being. 

496
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,300
And that's why it would 
transform from Royal armies to 

497
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:18,600
Total War because the welfare 
state is an all encroaching 

498
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,900
system that you know, everybody 
takes part in. 

499
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:28,800
So if everybody is you To that 
idea of extortion of theft then 

500
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,800
thinking that that is okay or 
even virtuous to a certain 

501
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,800
extent. 
It's not a huge leap to think 

502
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,200
that, you know, if if Saudi 
Arabia is not going to keep 

503
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,300
selling us oil. 
We need to you know, do regime 

504
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:47,300
change their or something. 
So, I don't know. 

505
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:48,800
I just think that's an 
interesting thought. 

506
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,800
I'd never really put together. 
Okay? 

507
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,100
Least open up the goddamn 
Keystone. 

508
00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:00,300
And I mean, for the, the least 
you could do is allow capitalist

509
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:05,500
acts between consenting adults. 
Once you've now gotten Russia on

510
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:10,000
our bad side and have been 
driving them driving Putin, into

511
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,100
the arms of XI for the last what
30 years by expanding NATO into 

512
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:19,100
13 countries, that not only were
former Soviet countries, but 

513
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:23,100
were part of the previous 
Russian Empire in the 1800's 

514
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:25,500
just absolutely. 
Unbelievable. 

515
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,400
The matches that they play with 
knowing that. 

516
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,000
Yeah, but we need our 
coal-powered Tesla's to protect 

517
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,300
the environment. 
Don't you do Keith, we really do

518
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,200
read. 
As someone who is read enough 

519
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,500
already time to end the war on 
terrorism by Scott Horton. 

520
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:46,700
The only time that NATO, the 
North American Treaty 

521
00:30:46,700 --> 00:30:49,500
Organization. 
Again, it's a military treaty, 

522
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,000
not as Trade Organization. 
When you look at the very first 

523
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,100
time, That NATO ever invoked 
Article 5 an attack on one is an

524
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:04,300
attack on all was after 
September 11th into Afghanistan.

525
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:09,400
Would you say that the US 
military response along but the 

526
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:15,400
NATO response in Afghanistan was
a net benefit or a net cost. 

527
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,600
Definitely a net cost. 
I mean, how many trillion did we

528
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,000
spend in Afghanistan? 
Anyway, I don't really know 

529
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,300
that. 
I'll still had what? 

530
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:27,200
We'll never know something like 
it was in the trillions. 

531
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:31,000
After 20 years, thousands of 
lives trillions of dollars. 

532
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,400
And then with our, you know, 
with our exit last year. 

533
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,500
I don't think anyone looked at 
that as successful and I might, 

534
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:41,900
I mean, you guys might agree 
with me, but in the general 

535
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:45,400
public, I'm definitely a 
minority when I'm sad that 

536
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,900
people. 
The die in our exit from 

537
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:53,900
Afghanistan, but as far as 
Optics go, I was actually very 

538
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:58,800
glad that it was such a 
catastrophe from you know, a 

539
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,700
public standpoint that people 
were kind of embarrassed to see 

540
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:06,800
how horribly it was executed, 
because I think it was very 

541
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,800
reflective of our entire 
involvement over there. 

542
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:16,100
So yeah, complete nothing, but a
disaster, absolutely completely.

543
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,800
A negative outcome from being 
there, Pat. 

544
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,300
If you're looking at or assume 
you're talking to someone who 

545
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:29,100
says, well 9/11 happened and we 
haven't had a major terrorist 

546
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:34,400
attacks like 9/11 since u.s. 
NATO involvement in Afghanistan.

547
00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:38,900
So, therefore, NATO and US 
involvement in Afghanistan has 

548
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:41,800
been a net benefit Pat. 
What do you say to that mindset?

549
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,000
Well, I think it's emblematic of
what the foreign policy 

550
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,200
consensus is. 
I A few years ago. 

551
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,600
I was reading something in 
foreign affairs saying. 

552
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,700
Basically this that oh, well, 
you know, over the last what 40 

553
00:32:55,700 --> 00:33:00,200
years NATO has presided over or 
since World War Two NATO has 

554
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,000
presided over world. 
Peace. 

555
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,200
And that NATO is the cause of 
World. 

556
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,800
Peace, being the implication and
I think it just completely is an

557
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,700
orwellian Distortion of exactly 
what we're seeing here, but 

558
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:16,700
specifically with that, I mean 
you'd have to get in Into what 

559
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:22,000
the history of, you know, the 
perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks

560
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,300
and the role of the Taliban and 
who we went after exactly seeing

561
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,700
that, you know, and then you'd 
have to get into blowback and 

562
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:32,800
things like that, too. 
I realized what's wrong with 

563
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,300
that last quote. 
I'm sorry, is I'm reading for as

564
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:40,600
by in that last substitution of 
the welfare state by the 

565
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,400
laissez-faire State. 
I think it's a bad translation 

566
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,300
of the German anyways. 
Very possible. 

567
00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:52,500
Yeah, it's it's too sad that 
Scott Horton and enough already.

568
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:57,100
So it's the fact that he 
actually uses the citation from 

569
00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:01,900
a CIA analyst that on in 
September of 2001. 

570
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:06,000
There were about 400 members of 
this organization known as 

571
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:09,199
Al-Qaeda. 
This was Abdullah azzam Ayman 

572
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,400
al-zawahiri. 
And Osama Bin Laden's group, in 

573
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,000
the Middle East. 
There were about 400 members in 

574
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:18,199
One and one. 
And after the 20 year war that's

575
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:19,600
cost trillions of dollars 
killed. 

576
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,900
Stunned has killed tons of 
civilians and given a ton of 

577
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:27,800
people pts T. 
There is more Al Qaeda than ever

578
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,900
before and they have bigger 
reach in places like Libya with 

579
00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:36,500
the Libyan Islamic fighting 
group in places like Syria with 

580
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:41,800
job at all news or even places 
in the Philippines and Niger or 

581
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,400
Nigeria, I believe. 
So it absolutely. 

582
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:48,000
Stating and the fact that they 
don't have any humility. 

583
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:51,100
They're not even like, well, 
maybe we should question bore 

584
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:53,900
with a nuclear power and a 
no-fly zone. 

585
00:34:54,300 --> 00:35:00,200
Considering the Taliban. 
We lost two in 11 days, after we

586
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,600
left, no humility at all. 
That, that's what statism does 

587
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,800
to your brain and it's terrible.
You lose all standards for the 

588
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,200
people. 
You Pledge, Your Allegiance to. 

589
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,200
It's really really devastating 
recover tail. 

590
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:16,500
Could you start us off? 
On these next three. 

591
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:21,300
Underlays. 
A fair peaceful coexistence of a

592
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:25,900
multitude of sovereign Nations 
is possible under government 

593
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:28,800
control of business. 
It is impossible. 

594
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:31,700
What? 
They need some commas in that 

595
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:34,500
sentence. 
That was tough in the long, run 

596
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:38,900
War and the preservation of 
market economy are incompatible.

597
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:43,300
Capitalism is essentially a 
scheme for peaceful Nations, but

598
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:46,200
this does not mean that a nation
which is forced to repeal 

599
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,000
foreign aggressors must 
substitute government control 

600
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,300
for private Enterprise. 
If it were to do this, it would 

601
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:56,500
deprive itself of the most 
efficient means of Defense. 

602
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,000
There is no record of a 
socialist Nation. 

603
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:02,900
Ian, which defeated a capitalist
nation in spite of their much, 

604
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:04,900
glorified War. 
Socialism. 

605
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:08,200
The Germans were defeated in 
both World Wars. 

606
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:12,500
The emergence of the 
international division of labor 

607
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,900
requires the total abolition of 
War. 

608
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:22,000
So read when you read these last
three, discussing war in the 

609
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,500
preservation of the market 
economy, depriving people of 

610
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:27,300
their most efficient means of 
Defense. 

611
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,100
If they give the state too much 
power, what what are some 

612
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:36,100
thoughts that come to mind? 
Yeah, it's interesting. 

613
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:41,800
The countries that took over the
most of their economies to run 

614
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,000
on warfare. 
They all eventually lose and 

615
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,600
more quickly than countries. 
That don't necessarily convert 

616
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:55,100
everything to Warfare. 
I mean, and it says, was this a 

617
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:59,000
there that no socialist nation 
has ever defeated, a capitalist 

618
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,400
Nation. 
That's something I've never 

619
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,400
thought about, but that's still 
true today. 

620
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,700
Isn't it? 
I think the greater degree. 

621
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:14,300
So, if we're taking hop has 
definition of socialism a 

622
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:17,100
greater institutionalized 
aggression against private 

623
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:20,200
property. 
Whereas capitalism is a greater 

624
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,200
recognition of the institution 
of private property and 

625
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:30,000
voluntary exchange that more 
capitalist countries would would

626
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,300
tend to be more socialist 
countries yet. 

627
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:37,700
You know, it would be hard to 
Linguist just because of the 

628
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:42,300
amount of Guerrilla warfare that
that's involved. 

629
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:47,800
That is one that that I might 
have to think about. 

630
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:53,000
Yeah, in spite of their much 
glorified War socialism. 

631
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,200
The Germans were defeated in 
both World Wars. 

632
00:37:56,300 --> 00:38:00,800
It's a good line right there. 
So yeah, if I just have an end 

633
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,400
that I want to be more 
productive in the field of 

634
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,900
armaments and my ability to 
defend myself, I certainly want 

635
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:13,200
the high amount of options that 
a capitalist free-market economy

636
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:16,600
would give me rather than a 
state-controlled one. 

637
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,000
Where they're not only were 
regulations. 

638
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,600
I probably wouldn't be 
recognized as having a right to 

639
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,400
purchase some things and not 
others. 

640
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:27,700
And there'd be one Monopoly 
Security Agency, called the 

641
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:29,500
state. 
Wouldn't be competing ones 

642
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:33,200
trying to protect me, knowing 
they could lose my business if 

643
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,900
they didn't protect me. 
So it's absolutely possible. 

644
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:40,900
But this is the only one that I 
will more or less raise an 

645
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:44,400
eyebrow at Pat thought on these 
last three. 

646
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:50,000
Yeah, it kind of gets into a 
mean, mises known for his 

647
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,100
critique of socialism being the 
the calculation problem. 

648
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,600
And of course, if you're trying 
to, you know, arranged all of 

649
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,600
the, all of the instruments, 
Ants of the market economy into 

650
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,700
one end, which is Warfare than 
you just have a single buyer for

651
00:39:04,700 --> 00:39:09,400
all these weapons. 
And therefore, I mean, it would 

652
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,400
seem like you would have a 
pricing problem if there's just 

653
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,700
one singular demand, but I 
wanted to point out that there 

654
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,400
was an issue with commas and 
something that reads said, so 

655
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,600
we're just going to spend this 
whole time crapping on whoever 

656
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:29,000
made this this translation and I
was thinking in the An old quote

657
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,800
that Miss Mark Thornton some 
kind of profound point or 

658
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,800
something like that that he was 
saying, oh, you know, something 

659
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,400
about the laissez-faire economy.
I don't think it was Mark 

660
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,500
Thornton. 
I don't think he translated it. 

661
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:44,000
I think he just arranged this. 
I'm talking about the original 

662
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,900
Human Action quotes. 
Oh, okay. 

663
00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:50,300
Yeah, I got a question about 
World War Two. 

664
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:54,100
I know we obviously had a ton of
government intervention in the 

665
00:39:54,100 --> 00:40:00,100
US economy during World War Two 
but was our production much more

666
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:04,700
lazy Fair than Germany or Russia
because I mean I also know we 

667
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:08,500
had a lot of Natural Resources 
in the United States, but it's 

668
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:11,700
ridiculous. 
How quickly the United States 

669
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:17,300
jumped into war production and 
had airplanes and tanks and the 

670
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,300
I mean, I feel like there's a 
lot of misinformation around 

671
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:25,500
World War 2 saying that the 
Nazis had the best army because 

672
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:28,200
they really didn't the Nazi 
Germany. 

673
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,700
Moved a lot of its artillery 
with horses. 

674
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:33,100
All the way through the war that
bolt-action rifles. 

675
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,300
They did have some like crazy 
scientific discoveries. 

676
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:40,100
Toward the end of the war. 
Like they had jet engines and 

677
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:43,800
things like that. 
But most mostly they were pretty

678
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,100
technologically impaired 
compared to us. 

679
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:47,700
Do you guys do either you guys 
know much? 

680
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,200
About that. 
Yes, certainly in the works of 

681
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:55,200
Antony Sutton who was a 
researcher at the Hoover 

682
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Institute. 
He wrote two books called Wall 

683
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,100
Street and the Bolshevik 
Revolution, as well as Wall 

684
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:05,600
Street, and the rise of Hitler, 
which is where you can have both

685
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,800
of these parasites called 
national socialism in Germany, 

686
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:15,900
International socialism in 
Russia and Democratic Socialism 

687
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,200
or social democracy in the form 
of America. 

688
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,800
So long as you have this 
capitalist engine that you can 

689
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,500
sort of siphon off of so Antony 
Sutton wrote a three-volume work

690
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:31,500
specifically on Soviet Russia, 
but also places in National 

691
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:35,900
Socialist, Germany teaming with 
places like IBM and IG farben 

692
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:40,900
that that's where they got a lot
of their strength from. 

693
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:46,000
So I'm not exactly sure what 
percentage of the economies of 

694
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,500
America versus Britain versus 
Germany in the first And and six

695
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:55,900
second world war existed, but it
all goes back to critiques. 

696
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:59,300
That Adam Smith was making when 
he was criticizing the concept 

697
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:05,300
of mercantilism where he said 
that businesses and the state 

698
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:08,400
are constantly colluding against
the consumer. 

699
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,000
Not because businesses want this
total free market, because in 

700
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,500
the free market businesses would
face competition, whereas when 

701
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,800
they can invoke regulations and 
As mm. 

702
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,900
Well then they don't have to 
necessarily meet consumer 

703
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:25,100
demand. 
It's not necessarily they don't 

704
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:27,700
get a dollar out of your pocket 
unless you give it to them. 

705
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,300
They have a direct line to a few
politicians who are happy to 

706
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:34,900
write them legislation in their 
favor. 

707
00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:37,000
So all throughout the world 
wars. 

708
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:41,900
I my understanding from the work
of Anthony Sutton is that 

709
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,700
America was constantly having 
companies bankroll these large 

710
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:49,000
institutions pets, you have 
anything on that? 

711
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,600
Yeah, I mean I was just going to
talk about the role of the CFR 

712
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,100
and IG farben specifically like 
between World War one and World 

713
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,400
War Two. 
I started writing a piece on 

714
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,700
this, but you just have lots of 
investment being driven by CFR 

715
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:08,300
members to create World War Two,
essentially with the Treaty of 

716
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:12,800
Versailles. 
And the What is it like the 

717
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,400
restitution package that they 
put together from from Germany 

718
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,200
from the vine, Mar Republic to 
the other to France and all 

719
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,600
these other nations. 
So kind of creating that you 

720
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,500
have CFR men. 
And I think it was j.p. 

721
00:43:26,500 --> 00:43:30,100
Morgan to, that was involved 
with this financing project, but

722
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:34,100
creating this impossible 
situation, and people from from 

723
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:39,400
those banking institutions, 
creating it essentially Yeah, 

724
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,800
the the Sutton books that I was 
thinking of one is titled 

725
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,600
National Suicide and that's a 
summary of his work. 

726
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:53,600
But the other is titled Western 
technology and Soviet Economic 

727
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:59,400
Development 1917 to 1990. 
It's in three different volumes 

728
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,700
and it's just just incredible. 
That would you mind reading 

729
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:08,200
these these next ones? 
Yeah, modern war is merciless. 

730
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,500
Does not spare pregnant women or
infants. 

731
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:13,500
It is indiscriminate killing and
destroying it does not respect. 

732
00:44:13,500 --> 00:44:16,000
The rights of neutrals. 
Millions are killed enslaved or 

733
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,200
expelled from The Dwelling 
Places in which their ancestors 

734
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,800
lived for centuries. 
Nobody can foretell what will 

735
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,200
happen in the next chapter of 
this endless struggle. 

736
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:27,400
This has little to do with the 
atomic bomb. 

737
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,100
The root of the evil, is not the
construction of new, more 

738
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:33,500
Dreadful weapons. 
It is the spirit of Conquest 

739
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:36,000
itself. 
It is probably the, it is 

740
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,100
probable that scientists will 
discover some Methods of defense

741
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:42,400
against the atomic bomb, but 
this will not alter things. 

742
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,900
It will merely prolong for a 
short time, the process of the 

743
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:47,900
complete destruction of 
civilization. 

744
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,300
Well, that's promising, that's 
inspiring to defeat. 

745
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:54,900
The aggressors is not enough to 
make peace durable. 

746
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:58,100
The main thing is to discard the
ideology that generates War 

747
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,000
ownership turns the fighting man
into the economic man, only the 

748
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,700
exclusion of private property, 
can maintain the military 

749
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:08,800
character of the state, only the
warrior who has no other Patient

750
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,700
apart from war, than 
preparation. 

751
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:14,200
For war is always ready for war 
men occupied in Affairs. 

752
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,300
May wage Wars of Defense but not
long Wars of Conquest, read. 

753
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,700
Coverdale any thoughts on those 
last three? 

754
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:26,900
Yeah, you know, it's an 
interesting thought experiment 

755
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:30,200
to ask people which they think 
was worse, the Holocaust or 

756
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:35,200
World War Two because like 
something like 10 times, the 

757
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,100
amount of people died in World 
War Two. 

758
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:43,500
That died in the Holocaust. 
So and so many innocent people 

759
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:46,800
on both sides, you know, who 
were just murdered and cities or

760
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,200
firebombed, or machine gun down,
or whatever. 

761
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,900
And the same would like the, 
what was worse, the the Civil 

762
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:58,500
War or the institution of 
slavery, even though the Civil 

763
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,900
War wasn't to end slavery, but, 
you know, when you start asking 

764
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:07,200
people about these things. 
I feel like a lot of them. 

765
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,700
They're not even necessarily 
thinking it was a horrible 

766
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:13,600
price. 
That had to be paid to stop 

767
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,200
these things. 
They're thinking this isn't as 

768
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,800
bad as the thing that was going 
on in the first place. 

769
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,000
And I think this is really 
interesting because that's the 

770
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,200
way I used to think. 
I used to not think World War 2 

771
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,100
was horrible. 
I used to think it was a noble 

772
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:31,500
cause that just had to be fought
to stop Hitler from taking over 

773
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,800
the world and committing mass 
murder and on all, you know, six

774
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,700
inhabited continents or 
whatever. 

775
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,900
And that's a Big transformation.
I've gone through over the 

776
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:46,600
years, and I think that, I think
it was that first, quote that 

777
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,000
really spoke to that about the 
murder of. 

778
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:51,300
Where's the quote, there? 
Is that the one on the top right

779
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:58,700
now, now, Yeah, that one modern 
Wars merciless. 

780
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:01,200
It just not spare pregnant women
or infants. 

781
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,200
It is indiscriminate killing and
destroying. 

782
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:07,900
I don't think people, you know, 
you know, it's weird, how people

783
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:12,200
always focus on the atomic bombs
dropped on Japan, which was 

784
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,500
horrible, but they forget about 
firebombing Tokyo for months 

785
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,900
ahead of that. 
Killing wait, you know, many 

786
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:23,000
more people in a much more 
terrible way or the firebombing 

787
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,500
of Germany. 
I mean, just Stuff that went on 

788
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,200
during that war and every war 
since is just absolutely 

789
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,200
horrific and innocent people 
died. 

790
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,900
They burned to death they you 
know, they get killed in the 

791
00:47:35,908 --> 00:47:40,500
crossfire they get accidentally 
targeted and I think people just

792
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:42,400
forget about that. 
You know, we have a very 

793
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:48,100
romanticized vision of what war 
is and it's not what we have 

794
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:50,700
come to think it is. 
Exactly. 

795
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:54,300
It's always so vague. 
It's always, we defeated the 

796
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:57,000
enemy. 
It's never tons of women and 

797
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,400
children and innocent guys died.
A lot of guys who died in combat

798
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,200
were conscripts and they thought
they were doing the right thing,

799
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,300
just like the other people were,
because they were tricked by 

800
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:11,600
their ruling class. 
Who they were brought up to 

801
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:13,800
pledge their allegiance to. 
Well. 

802
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,300
Once you realize how complex it 
is, then you don't see things as

803
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:21,500
black and white because Only 
once you see things in black and

804
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:24,200
white, are you able to say? 
Oh, yeah, let's bomb the hell 

805
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,100
out of them. 
Yeah. 

806
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:27,200
Let's look. 
Let's just murdered those Branch

807
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,000
Davidians God. 
Do they deserve it by now? 

808
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,700
51 days. 
God. 

809
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:35,100
I hope they all suffer. 
Only at that point. 

810
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,900
Could you get people to think in
in such a tragic way? 

811
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,100
Pat, any thoughts on the three 
quotes you read their, I'll 

812
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:46,800
focus on the first one to 
because I think it's important 

813
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,700
that Misa says the root of the 
root of the evil is. 

814
00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:52,500
Not the construction of new more
Dreadful weapons. 

815
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:54,600
It is the spirit of Conquest 
itself. 

816
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,900
But yet at the same time me, sis
doesn't say that we could get 

817
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:00,900
rid of that. 
And and I think that if missis 

818
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:04,100
was saying we could get rid of 
the spirit of Conquest, he would

819
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:07,000
be more like a Marxist saying 
that we need to create a new 

820
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:10,100
man. 
A new non violent man. 

821
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,900
I think the the truth is more 
complicated. 

822
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:16,500
Is that while the vast majority 
of people and I've done work 

823
00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:19,700
about this but the vast majority
of people would not kill. 

824
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:21,300
War. 
In fact, they have to be 

825
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:25,800
conditioned to do so they would 
they would die rather than kill 

826
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,700
another person or they would 
die. 

827
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:30,400
Even if it meant saving their 
friends. 

828
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,300
They refuse to kill even if it 
meant saving their friend, but 

829
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,300
there is 10 to 15 percent of the
population that are sociopaths 

830
00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:46,700
or Psychopaths and they will 
always exist. 10 to 15 percent 

831
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,900
really, it's less than that. 
Maybe. 

832
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:54,300
Like I'm just gonna I was going 
to say I support India's system 

833
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,700
of putting a DOT on your head 
instead if you're married, if 

834
00:49:57,700 --> 00:50:02,700
you're a psychopath, I mean, but
God if it's 10, 15 %, I mix got 

835
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:05,500
a change where I shop. 
I mixed up the statistics. 

836
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:10,500
This is the statistic is that 
80% of people will not use their

837
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:17,100
weapons in combat at all and 15 
to 20% will, but of that 15 to 

838
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:21,600
20%, Most of them will purposely
not shoot the enemy and we'll 

839
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,100
miss and will posture. 
But there is a small percentage,

840
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:28,400
which is probably like one to 
two percent of men who will kill

841
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,800
without remorse. 
Thank heavens from nieces 

842
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:37,200
omnipotent government page 3 
within a world of free trade and

843
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,200
democracy. 
There are no incentives for war 

844
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:44,300
and Conquest only in the case of
Prayer. 

845
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,900
Native peoples does war lead to 
the selection of the stronger 

846
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:53,500
and more gifted and that among 
civilized peoples. 

847
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,100
It leads to a deterioration of 
the race by unfavorable 

848
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:01,000
selection. 
The only means to Lasting peace 

849
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:04,800
is to remove the root causes of 
war. 

850
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:09,200
Read Coverdale thoughts, on any 
of those three that middle? 

851
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,500
One is interesting. 
I need to read it again. 

852
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:17,600
Only in the case of People's 
does war lead to the selection 

853
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,400
of the stronger and more gifted 
and that among civilized 

854
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,400
peoples. 
It leads to deterioration of the

855
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:31,200
race by unfavorable selection. 
So he's suggesting that war was 

856
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,300
may be necessary at one time 
along the evolutionary path, but

857
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:39,900
we've evolved past it. 
And now it's it's a - that's 

858
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:45,200
kind of how I'm reading that. 
I'm thinking that if we are in a

859
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,600
very primitive tribe, the 
strongest are absolutely needed 

860
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,200
as in physical strength and 
they're going to be the ones who

861
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:58,600
we need in case of War. 
But now, but Bill kristol and 

862
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,600
John McCain, you think they 
could beat anyone in an arm 

863
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,000
wrestling match? 
No today. 

864
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:08,600
It's the intellectuals who are 
able to manipulate the 

865
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,400
consciousness of the masses. 
Who are More not the physically,

866
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,400
strong the physically ambitious,
or emotionally ambitious as 

867
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,600
well. 
So, the people pushing for war 

868
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,900
back then verse the people 
pushing for war, nowadays are 

869
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:29,500
two very different demographics.
Pat. 

870
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:30,500
That's right. 
Yeah. 

871
00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:33,500
Pat any thoughts on these last 
three? 

872
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:41,900
No mises goes on. 
He says, but what is needed for 

873
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:46,900
a satisfactory solution of the 
burning problem of international

874
00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:49,900
relations? 
Is neither a new office with 

875
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:53,500
more committees, secretary's 
Commissioners reports and 

876
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:58,900
regulations nor a new body of 
armored Executioner's, but the 

877
00:52:58,900 --> 00:53:03,300
radical overthrow of mentalities
and domestic policies, which 

878
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:08,300
must result In Conflict, full 
freedom, of movement, of 

879
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:12,300
persons, and goods the most 
comprehensive protection of the 

880
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:16,900
private of the property and 
freedom of each individual 

881
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,600
removal of all state compulsion 
in the school system. 

882
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,600
In short, the most, exact and 
complete application of the 

883
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,100
ideas of 1789 are the 
prerequisites of peaceful 

884
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:33,000
conditions. 
If you want to abolish War you 

885
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,400
must eliminate its causes. 
What is needed to restrict 

886
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,900
government activities to the 
preservation of Life Health and 

887
00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:45,700
private property and thereby to 
safeguard the working of the 

888
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:49,100
market. 
Sovereignty must not be used for

889
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:53,700
inflicting harm, on anyone, 
whether citizen or Foreigner. 

890
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,800
We got a couple more here. 
I'm just going to go through 

891
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,600
these, if some people's pretend 
that history or geography. 

892
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:04,200
Gives them the right to 
subjugate other races Nations or

893
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,300
people's there. 
Can be no peace. 

894
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:12,400
Only one thing can conquer war 
that liberal attitude of mind 

895
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:16,400
which can see nothing in war, 
but destruction and Annihilation

896
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,900
and which can never wish to 
bring about a war because it 

897
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:24,500
regards water as dangerous. 
Even to the victors. 

898
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:29,500
Finally, if we're is regarded as
advantageous than laws will not 

899
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:32,500
be allowed to stand. 
In the way of going to war on 

900
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:36,600
the first day of any War, all 
the laws opposing obstacles to 

901
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,800
it will be swept, aside, read 
Coverdale thoughts on any of the

902
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:47,300
previous quotes from Asus. 
Well, I think the kind of all 

903
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:52,000
encapsulating concept here is 
just let people live and let 

904
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,000
them trade with each other and 
let them. 

905
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,100
Interact with each other and 
it'll be harder for them to want

906
00:54:58,100 --> 00:55:01,300
to murder each other. 
And if you look at governments, 

907
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:04,500
they basically do everything 
they can to segregate, people to

908
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:11,300
separate people by race religion
ideology of any sort and you 

909
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:13,600
know, make people hate each 
other based on which country 

910
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,200
they're from. 
So if the government is just not

911
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,200
there doing that like Patrick 
was talking about a couple 

912
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,400
minutes ago, most men don't have
an inherent desire to actually 

913
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,600
shoot at somebody. 
You have to be forced into that 

914
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:30,700
into that mindset. 
So if we just let people live 

915
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,500
Wars probably are not just going
to naturally spring up Pat 

916
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:39,200
thoughts on the last mises 
quotes. 

917
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:41,500
Yeah. 
I mean I couldn't put it a 

918
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:45,500
better way myself. 
I think, you know Dave Smith and

919
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:48,500
read you said this earlier too 
is that when you're cooperating 

920
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:52,600
with someone you you learn to 
rely on them and you work 

921
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,700
together to reach a goal and 
that Operation leads to less 

922
00:55:55,700 --> 00:56:00,800
conflict. 
Read when Bill kristol debated, 

923
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,300
Scott Horton. 
He said I'm also anti-war. 

924
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:10,500
In fact, I only justify some US 
military intervention because I 

925
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:13,300
think it will lead to less war 
than more war. 

926
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,400
So great when you say you are 
anti-war, what does that mean? 

927
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:25,800
I think war is the worst thing 
that has ever plagued humanity. 

928
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,700
And I mean the worst thing, it 
should be the absolute Last 

929
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:33,900
Resort. 
I mean nothing else. 

930
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,400
It should be, it should proceed 
nothing else. 

931
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,000
It should be the absolute Last 
Resort when you have no other 

932
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,800
options and you're just 
defending yourself and I can't 

933
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,800
think of a single us 
intervention that resembles that

934
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,100
template at all. 
And also, you know, I'm not much

935
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:57,300
of a statist or a collectivist 
myself. 

936
00:56:57,300 --> 00:57:01,600
So when I'm thinking of 
self-defense, it's if there were

937
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:06,300
an invasion into this country 
where people were trying to burn

938
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:10,500
my property and hurt my family. 
I would defend myself but being 

939
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,000
anti-war is just realizing that 
it is the worst thing that has 

940
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,300
ever existed and that it should 
be avoided at all costs. 

941
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:23,400
Patrick McFarland of the Liberty
weekly podcast, Liberty, weekly 

942
00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:27,600
dotnet where a you can be found.
Patrick. 

943
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,100
What does it mean to be 
anti-war? 

944
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,400
Yeah, likewise. 
I mean, war is absolutely the 

945
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,900
worst thing that happens in. 
I want to say it's completely 

946
00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:39,000
avoidable. 
Obviously, there are examples 

947
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,600
where we were just talking about
that. 

948
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,700
We're mises was talking about 
this need for human Conquest. 

949
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:47,800
So unfortunately, I don't think 
it'll ever go. 

950
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:51,700
Way, but I think that it takes 
people like us to to speak out 

951
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:55,200
against it and to try and make 
everyone realize that there are 

952
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,400
far more people that will not 
kill and take other human life. 

953
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,700
So if we just all got together 
and collectively said, no maybe 

954
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:08,000
that might make a difference. 
So we're here trying to do that 

955
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,500
work, especially at this time 
where I think it's very very 

956
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:15,000
sorely needed as the propaganda 
machine ramps up. 

957
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:22,100
Yes, I definitely think that the
great crime in war is not that. 

958
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:27,100
Well, I secretly love Putin and 
I really like the head of the 

959
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:30,100
Taliban. 
They're all politicians. 

960
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,000
I couldn't care if they lived or
died. 

961
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:33,900
Actually. 
I have a preference. 

962
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:38,100
Don't ask me which one it is. 
The point is, is that the great 

963
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:42,900
crime in war is imprecision? 
It's not that, well, I'm against

964
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:46,300
guilty, people who are 
responsible for murder and 

965
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:48,300
torture. 
I'm against them being held 

966
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:49,700
accountable. 
No, of course. 

967
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:54,100
The reason that I'm against war 
or what means us here has called

968
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:57,400
total war is because of its 
imprecision. 

969
00:58:57,700 --> 00:59:02,800
It conscripts people by the 
millions and more or less in 

970
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,600
slaves. 
Them into the worst work. 

971
00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:08,600
You could possibly be in forced 
labor to. 

972
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,000
It gives tons of people PTSD. 
It takes husband's away from 

973
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,200
others. 
It takes, father's away from 

974
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:18,200
kids, it gets people. 
His limbs blown off 

975
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,300
unnecessarily who aren't 
necessarily guilty of any 

976
00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:25,400
wrongdoing. 
So it's not that I kind of have 

977
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:29,000
a soft spot for Putin. 
It's I kind of have a soft spot 

978
00:59:29,100 --> 00:59:32,200
for ukrainians and Russians and 
Americans. 

979
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:37,400
And anyone who hasn't initiated 
fraud or violence against anyone

980
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,500
else. 
Yeah, excellent points. 

981
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:43,400
There about being anti-war and 
Bill. 

982
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,600
Kristol owes us an apology for 
lying. 

983
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,800
Patrick McFarlane. 
Read the next up for for us, 

984
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,800
please. 
Alright, so the way to Eternal 

985
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,700
peace does not lead through 
strengthening State and central 

986
00:59:54,700 --> 00:59:58,700
power as socialism strives. 
For history is witness. 

987
00:59:58,700 --> 01:00:01,600
The failure of many Endeavors to
impose piece by War. 

988
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:06,700
Cooperation by coercion, un 
unanimity by slaughtering 

989
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:08,900
dissidents. 
A lasting order cannot be 

990
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:13,300
established by bayonets. 
War can really cause no 

991
01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:15,700
economic, boom. 
At least not directly since an 

992
01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:17,800
increase in wealth. 
Never does result from 

993
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,500
destruction of goods. 
And read one more for us. 

994
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,300
Not not through war and victory 
but only through work can a 

995
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:29,300
nation create the preconditions 
for the well-being of its 

996
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:32,600
members conquering Nations, 
finally Parish either because 

997
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,800
they are annihilated by strong 
ones are because the ruling 

998
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,300
class is culturally overwhelmed 
by the subjugated read. 

999
01:00:40,300 --> 01:00:43,700
Could you please finish this off
by reading the final few quotes 

1000
01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:47,700
here? 
Economically considered war and 

1001
01:00:47,700 --> 01:00:50,600
revolution are always bad 
business. 

1002
01:00:51,300 --> 01:00:56,300
The essence of so-called War, 
Prosperity, it enriches some by 

1003
01:00:56,300 --> 01:00:59,700
what it takes from others. 
It is not Rising wealth but a 

1004
01:00:59,707 --> 01:01:03,200
shifting of wealth and income. 
There is. 

1005
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,600
But one field of public 
administration in which the 

1006
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,600
Criterion of success or failure 
or failure is unquestionable, 

1007
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:15,900
the waging of War, but even 
here, the only things Certain as

1008
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:20,700
whether the operation has been 
crowned, with success War 

1009
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:25,100
socialism was by no means 
complete socialism, but it was 

1010
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:28,700
full and true, socialization 
without exception. 

1011
01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:31,400
If one had kept on the path that
have been taken. 

1012
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,800
Or Prosperity is like the 
prosperity that an earthquake or

1013
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,500
a plague brings. 
The earthquake means good 

1014
01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:43,200
business for construction 
workers and cholera improves the

1015
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,100
business of Physicians 
Pharmacists and Undertaker's. 

1016
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:51,100
But no one has for that reason 
yet sought to celebrate 

1017
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:54,400
earthquakes and cholera as 
stimulators of the productive 

1018
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,600
forces in the general interest. 
While that's a great, that's a 

1019
01:01:57,607 --> 01:02:01,100
great one right there. 
Interventionism generates 

1020
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:04,700
economic nationalism and 
Economic nationalism. 

1021
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:07,400
Generates. 
I don't know. 

1022
01:02:07,408 --> 01:02:09,700
This Bella Bella. 
How to use. 

1023
01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:13,100
What is this word? 
Bellicosity, bellicosity. 

1024
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,500
My dad's an English teacher. 
He'd be ashamed. 

1025
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:19,400
If men and commodities are 
prevented from crossing. 

1026
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,800
The border lines, Why should not
the Army's try to pave the way 

1027
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,800
for them. 
So read what about the cholera 

1028
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,000
quote from nation-state? 
And economy. 

1029
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,000
Did you think was so 
significant? 

1030
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,900
Well, it was like I was saying 
earlier the arms manufacturers 

1031
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:41,800
and the people making the tanks 
and the bombs and the Machinery,

1032
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,300
they always win, right there, 
the ones who win a war they make

1033
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:49,900
millions of dollars and tons of 
profit and then even if their 

1034
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:53,800
country loses a war or they get 
employed by whoever ends up 

1035
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:57,400
beating them, so they just never
lose and they're like The 

1036
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:02,700
Undertaker's, the doctors, the 
Pharmacists and the construction

1037
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:04,800
workers. 
Earthquakes and cholera 

1038
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:10,800
outbreaks. 
Patrick, McFarland, any thoughts

1039
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,300
on these last set of mises 
quotes? 

1040
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:16,600
What God she discussed so much. 
Here. 

1041
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:21,400
He went into nationalism, 
interventionism Prosperity being

1042
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,800
like an earthquake channeling 
Frederic bastiat here, enriching

1043
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:30,200
some by what it takes from 
others that there's so much 

1044
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,000
here. 
Pat final thoughts here. 

1045
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:35,000
Yeah, I mean war is just another
big government program and 

1046
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,200
that's why you know, like the 
book of anti-war.com They they 

1047
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,700
it's a Randolph Bourne, driven 
by that Wars, the health of the 

1048
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:44,300
state. 
It's just a big government 

1049
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:47,400
program. 
It's a, it's a program of 

1050
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,000
redistribution essentially. 
And I think that the quote that 

1051
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,200
read pointed out. 
I love it too. 

1052
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,800
Because it's such a good 
illustration. 

1053
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,200
That's easy to grasp and the 
imagery that it brings to mind. 

1054
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:06,800
Is it really works? 
So, when having this discussion 

1055
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:12,300
with people, about the concept 
of War, there is one war that 

1056
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:16,200
constantly comes up in any 
English-speaking country. 

1057
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,200
Even in russian-speaking, 
countries that I have recently. 

1058
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,100
Come to learn. 
That is the second world war. 

1059
01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:25,300
Now. 
First of all, this is kind of 

1060
01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:27,500
odd. 
First, you would think that the 

1061
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:30,800
war that they brag about would 
be a war that lasted like a very

1062
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,600
short amount of time killed a 
very few innocent. 

1063
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,700
People it mainly focused on the 
guilty people and was a great 

1064
01:04:37,700 --> 01:04:42,100
success for the good of mankind.
But what they focus on is the 

1065
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:44,800
second world war, which killed a
lot of people. 

1066
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:48,900
So, Pat Buchanan had summarized 
his findings after having 

1067
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:50,800
researched. 
The second world war. 

1068
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,100
Remember tap you Cannon was 
someone who supported. 

1069
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,200
George kennan's containment 
philosophy and Domino. 

1070
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,000
They were. 
So Pat Buchanan supported the 

1071
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:07,100
war in Korea Vietnam. 
Granada Nicaragua Afghanistan in

1072
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:11,800
the 1980s. 
So this is not some libertarian 

1073
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,900
who is just constantly 
questioning things. 

1074
01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:19,900
Here is Pat Buchanan on the 
second world war on September 

1075
01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:24,600
1st, 1939. 70 years ago, the 
German Army crossed the Polish 

1076
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:29,900
Frontier on September 3rd, 
Britain declared war six years 

1077
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:33,500
later, 50 million, Christians 
and Jews. 

1078
01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:37,500
Perished Britain was broken and 
bankrupt, Germany. 

1079
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:42,000
A smoldering ruin Europe. 
Had served as the site of the 

1080
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,800
most murderous combat known to 
man and civilians had suffered 

1081
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:50,000
worse Horrors. 
Then the soldiers by May 1945. 

1082
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,200
Red. 
Army hordes occupied all the 

1083
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,300
great capitals of Central 
Europe. 

1084
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:59,700
Began a Prague Budapest Berlin. 
100 million Christians were 

1085
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:03,400
under the heel of the most 
barbarous turning in history. 

1086
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,900
The Bolshevik regime of the 
greatest terrorist of them all 

1087
01:06:07,100 --> 01:06:12,000
Joseph Stalin. 
What cause could justify these 

1088
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,300
sacrifices recover Dale? 
Please. 

1089
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,600
Explain where people can find 
the naturalist capitalist 

1090
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:23,200
podcast and any thoughts on the 
second world war and the quotes 

1091
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,100
of Ludwig von mises. 
Yeah. 

1092
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:31,500
The second world war is the 
worst conflict in human history.

1093
01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:36,500
And I think this is why We 
learned so much about the 

1094
01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:42,900
Holocaust in high school and 
why, you know, Nazis are so 

1095
01:06:42,900 --> 01:06:46,500
inundated into our culture, as 
the most evil thing that's ever 

1096
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:51,500
existed, because until recently,
now Putin's worse than Nazis, 

1097
01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:55,800
but before that, you know, Nazis
were always like the epitome of 

1098
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,000
evil. 
And I think it was just drilled 

1099
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:02,600
into our brain because we had to
believe that What is it? 

1100
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,300
Like 77 million people died in 
World War 2. 

1101
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:07,700
The estimates go up that high, I
think something like that. 

1102
01:07:07,700 --> 01:07:14,000
So we had to think that nuking 
Japan and leveling half of 

1103
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,300
Europe and you know, the Battle 
of Stalingrad and all these 

1104
01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:21,100
things were all worth it because
this was going to be a plague on

1105
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:22,500
Humanity. 
That was just going to destroy 

1106
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:26,900
the world. 
But yeah, my podcast is the 

1107
01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:29,600
naturalist capitalist podcast. 
You can find me on YouTube, 

1108
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:34,100
Odyssey, Spotify app, Podcasts 
under the naturalist capitalist 

1109
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:37,600
and then you can follow me, read
Coverdale, on Twitter, 

1110
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:42,100
Instagram, gab getter float. 
All those places? 

1111
01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:45,000
Just I'm the only read Coverdale
out there and the only 

1112
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,000
naturalist capitalist out there.
So if you look for me, you'll 

1113
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,700
find me. 
I should have chosen a different

1114
01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:53,600
aim. 
There's a black cartoonist sjw 

1115
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:57,100
by the name of Keith Knight, and
I really wish I would have gone 

1116
01:07:57,100 --> 01:08:00,800
with something else. 
Read last time you and I spoke 

1117
01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:04,600
you would Told people they 
should check out the Mike Rivera

1118
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:09,500
podcast that you did with him. 
He has done so much excellent 

1119
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:12,400
work. 
And I've gone to his site so 

1120
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:17,500
many times in my past when it 
comes to foreign policy or the 

1121
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:20,899
economics of foreign policy or 
just the cost of wars in 

1122
01:08:20,899 --> 01:08:24,500
general. 
What is a podcast or video that 

1123
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:27,500
people should check out. 
If they only have time for one, 

1124
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,899
which one of your podcast, 
should they check out? 

1125
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:37,500
Man, if we're if it's going to 
involve economics and also 

1126
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,500
political motivation man, it's 
I'm just going to I'm going to 

1127
01:08:42,508 --> 01:08:44,100
say two because I can't choose 
one. 

1128
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:47,600
But I did the Ukrainian 
situation. 

1129
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,899
I believe it's episode 195 with 
Scott Horton. 

1130
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,300
And I did this before Russia 
invaded, Ukraine. 

1131
01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:58,200
It was a week or two before and 
we went into the entire history 

1132
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,500
with Crimea with the donbas 
region with Luhan. 

1133
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:05,300
In Donetsk and just covered it 
all and then another one that 

1134
01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:09,700
had it about a week ago is Corn 
Pops, Ukrainian Revenge with 

1135
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:11,899
Ryan Dawson. 
It's a great episode. 

1136
01:09:11,899 --> 01:09:17,700
We go into, you know, us 
politicians involvement with 

1137
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:23,100
energy companies in Ukraine and 
we kind of dig into, you know, 

1138
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more of the history of Ukraine 
and Russia and the just the evil

1139
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,500
of our own government and 
Financial. 

1140
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,800
Interest that are really 
propelling this war. 

1141
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,800
So I would recommend both, I 
can't really choose between 

1142
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,899
either of those links to both of
those will be in the description

1143
01:09:40,899 --> 01:09:43,700
below. 
Patrick McFarland of Liberty 

1144
01:09:43,700 --> 01:09:47,000
weekly dotnet. 
My audience knows where to find 

1145
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,500
you at both that website and the
libertarian Institute. 

1146
01:09:50,500 --> 01:09:54,500
Final thoughts on the quotes. 
We read from mises and the 

1147
01:09:54,500 --> 01:10:00,300
second world war, the single War
glorified by the CFR and all of 

1148
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,000
their friends. 
Yeah, like read said, I mean, I 

1149
01:10:03,008 --> 01:10:06,400
think it's most important for 
the powers that shouldn't be to 

1150
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:10,300
make it that World War Two is 
the Glorious war. 

1151
01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:14,300
That we are the heroes and I 
think that's directly because it

1152
01:10:14,300 --> 01:10:16,600
was the most horrible thing to 
ever happen. 

1153
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,000
And so therefore the narrative 
has to be completely captured so

1154
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,000
that people think that these 
things are absolutely necessary 

1155
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,400
because otherwise they would 
look at the cost and I think 

1156
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,700
that we would have focused more 
on that in school. 

1157
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,600
About all the death and 
destruction that occurred, not 

1158
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,000
just because of how evil Nazism 
was but because of the 

1159
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,100
conflagration and the conflict 
itself. 

1160
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,500
So I think it's important 
especially in these times to 

1161
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,400
look to what mises and rothbard 
actually said and to look to 

1162
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,100
people like Hapa and, you know, 
all these different philosophers

1163
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:56,600
that we talk about all the time,
but to really try to see this 

1164
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,000
conflict through that lens but 
to get it right. 

1165
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,400
Damn it. 
I mean it. 

1166
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,600
So important to be right at the 
right time. 

1167
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,400
And I think that as this is 
really caused, a lot of people 

1168
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,100
to, to kind of lose their minds.
It's like covid all over again, 

1169
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:15,200
except in a different way. 
So, I think that we, we really 

1170
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,700
just need to get this right? 
And to see these things with 

1171
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:24,200
Nuance because foreign policy is
hard and I find it to be harder 

1172
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,900
than, than actually studying the
philosophy. 

1173
01:11:26,900 --> 01:11:29,800
I mean, we've been doing 
non-aggression principle 

1174
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,600
podcast, 44, Almost a decade. 
Now. 

1175
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,100
They've been all over the place 
and they're good. 

1176
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:38,800
But at the same time foreign 
policy, I think it's more 

1177
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,400
important to apply those 
principles to foreign policy and

1178
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,400
get the right answer and I think
it's more challenging. 

1179
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,000
So so that's what I've been 
trying to focus on lately and 

1180
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,300
it's difficult. 
I mean, it's not easy because 

1181
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:52,900
you need all this other 
background information. 

1182
01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:58,100
So, confined my work at Liberty,
weekly dotnet libertarian 

1183
01:11:58,100 --> 01:12:02,500
Institute if I could direct 
people to Work that I did. 

1184
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:06,500
It would be why can't Johnny 
kill I titled it 11th Hour 

1185
01:12:06,500 --> 01:12:08,800
conscientious objection and 
moral injury. 

1186
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:10,700
That's Liberty. 
Weekly dotnet forward. 

1187
01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:13,800
Slash 178. 
I wrote a little article about 

1188
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,300
it, but it's a short documentary
talking about the statistics 

1189
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:21,400
that I flubbed earlier 
sociopathy and, you know, moral 

1190
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,300
injury, but moreover, what makes
people kill? 

1191
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:27,600
Because most people won't kill. 
And so we talked about that in 

1192
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:31,600
that documentary. 
Thanks to everyone for watching 

1193
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,600
the libertarian Institute and 
the don't try it. 

1194
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,600
On anyone podcast, read 
Coverdale, and Patrick 

1195
01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:40,000
McFarland. 
Thank you so much gentlemen, for

1196
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,400
your time. 
Thank you. 

1197
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,000
American people need to 
understand. 

1198
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,500
This is just a money laundering 
operations. 

1199
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,100
I mean, 10 years of war in 
Afghanistan for us to leave. 

1200
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:53,300
We could even take back the 
billions of dollars worth of 

1201
01:12:53,300 --> 01:12:56,700
weapons that we just left them 
on the soil, the soil and for 

1202
01:12:56,700 --> 01:12:59,600
the Taliban to take over. 
I mean, every single American 

1203
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,900
should be outraged, and that's 
why I say that we have to remain

1204
01:13:01,900 --> 01:13:04,400
focused and understand the 
enemies for us. 

1205
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,800
For the American people are not 
in Ukraine or Russia, the right 

1206
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,100
sitting down in Congress on 
Capitol Hill. 

1207
01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:11,800
Those are the enemies of the 
American people.