In order to Rally people governments need enemies, they
want us to be afraid to hate, so we will rally behind them.
And if they do not have a real enemy, they will invent one in
order to mobilize us. Welcome to Keith's night.
Don't try it on anyone in the libertarian Institute today.
I am joined by Clint of liberty lockdown, Clint.
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So Clint the other day. I was catching up on some on top
of PFS speeches and he has a great opener where he says,
there's a major contradiction 99% of intellectual say the
state is a necessary institution.
Also monopolies are evil and we need governments to regulate
these. Also, the state should
monopolize money and they should monopolize Taxation and they
should have been opalized legislation.
And they should monopolize the courts.
How can you believe something? So, blatantly contradictory?
So Clint, my opening question to you is.
How do we get people to want to see through such blatant
propaganda? Well, I thought about this a lot
and I think ultimately, it requires that people actually
know that they're being propagandized, first and
foremost, because this is kind of, the red pilling discussion
that we all have all the time. Is that unless Less you are
aware. You're being propaganda.
Is you can't want to see through it.
It's kind of I think for me. I started to see through when I
realized contradictions and I realized hypocrisy, I realized
that government is a monopoly and these people that claim to
be fighting monopolies. Can't possibly think government
is the solution when you're just replacing one Monopoly with
another. So I think at its root you have
to, you have to allow people to wake up, or you have to find a
way to wake them up. Faster than they already are.
Unfortunately. I think that the lockdowns have
have done that for a tremendous amount of people.
I think that the V rollouts have done that for a ton of people.
So I'm hopeful. I'm despite the fact that I come
off, extremely Black Gold Online.
I'm pretty hopeful that that we're headed in the right
direction. Excellent.
So I came across this article which was just such a slap in
the face as far as propaganda goes, because usually it's very
subtle and in Paragraph nine out of 17.
You'll find a line. That's like that's a dog whistle
for people in power to use a crisis as a justification to
drastically increase power. That's not what we're dealing
with today at all. This is from foreign policy.com.
It says the pandemic proves only technocrats can save us.
This is by parag Khanna. This is a guy who wrote a book
called American technocracy the rise of the information state.
So let's just go With, but let's just start with the title.
The pandemic proves only technocrats can save us.
What are your thoughts on that line?
Well, I mean after the past 18 months, to think the technocrats
are the people that can save us is astonishing and we have been
ruled by the technocratic elite, and we have allowed them to
dictate everything. We've done basically they've
shut down our businesses and mass star children and made us
put things that our body. And I mean, everything we've
done has been technically. Secrecy.
So it's like it's astonishing that these people after that
after I mean it do they view it as a success.
Did they view the vaccine roll out as a success?
They view the lockout. So I guess they do.
The only answer is yes, they have to because otherwise his
entire thesis is null, the problem.
Is that what we're so busy arguing over?
What the numbers are, or aren't what they should, or shouldn't
be what they would or would otherwise be?
Meanwhile. We're totally giving them the
Field of. Yeah, you have the right to rule
us. Now.
Let's argue about how we're going to implement this.
If you don't have this, self-ownership recognition in
the back of your mind at all times.
No wonder you're so easily to get enslaved.
Bill Gates was just on. I think it was CNN where he had
said, you know, we're going to have to, you know, maybe
increased lockdowns away. We want to look at countries
like Australia of all the countries.
He could have chosen. He chooses.
Has Australia where there is just such blatant in-your-face,
orwellian. Tyranny, you know, places like
New Zealand. They get one case in the that
the entire thing locks down. You have any ideas on how to
combat the mindset of I listened to the experts?
Therefore. I'm superior to those who listen
to liberty lockdown, right? Well, I would encourage people
to measure my accuracy versus falchions.
I like Go through my catalog of episodes as I'm analyzing in
real time. What's occurring with the
pandemic versus foul cheese recommendations?
And if you, if you conclude that, he is more accurate than
me, then stick with him. But I promise you, you won't.
I mean, this is, this is why I am so approach.
I mean, this is, it's hilarious to because this is basically
exactly what conspiracy theories have been saying all along is
that there's this, there's this technocratic Elite and they want
to rule over us and they conspire to do so.
And and it's just they come out with this article and just like,
yep, that's exactly what we're doing.
And also, it's a good thing. So, yeah, it's heartbreaking.
Then I get we can't go through every single word of this
because we'll be here forever. But after the heading, there's
the subheading populist politician.
Okay. First of all populist
politicians, see democracy is vitally important.
We need the people to be involved in voting.
But whenever it's a democratic politician, they don't like
well, that's dumb populism. That's like student council.
It's just you being popular. There's no principles behind it.
They have this day of two different words for the same
exact thing. Democracy.
Good populism, bad. Okay.
Populist politicians. Love to be little experts, but
when it's a matter of life and death the precautionary
principle and expertise are what counts thoughts on that
sentence. I mean, yeah, obviously when
Situation's dire, it's important to get correct information.
The problem is is that information is like true
information is best acquired through Diversified exploration
where you're allowing, you know, numerous individuals.
And in fact, you know, the entire population potentially,
to be doing their own research to be to be trying things as
opposed to this top-down approach, where you have A novel
virus that you're trying to evaluate in the moment and you
have someone just coming out and saying this is what we have to
do and we have to do it on a global scale.
I mean it's it's completely counter to what science has been
my entire life. So yeah, at its at its core it's
flawed at the end of paragraph 1.
He says, among the public and experts debates have swirled
around who made the most accurate guesses about the
number of covid-19 casualties. He's or its impact on the stock
market and then the sentence ends right there.
So in other words, he's saying there's a debate going on.
It's about the numbers and the impact on the stock market.
Don't you love how they take the principle of whether or not
human? Beings are free to voluntarily
associate and he goes, no. No, that's not the debate
debate. The debate is this number of the
on the, the Dow Jones Industrial Average?
Well, how do you accurately calculate that when we're on QE?
The 7 of this year alone. So he totally fakes you out on
what the actual debate is around with regard.
I'm sorry. Yes.
No. And in truth, what is the stock
market? But basically a signifier of
Economics which are economic wealth, but the economic wealth,
the reason we value that is because we want to decrease
human suffering. I mean, that's ultimately like,
the reason we want to acquire wealth is that we can prosper
and purchase things, too. Benefit our lives in to live
healthier and happier lives. So it completely misses the
point. It goes to this dollars and
cents. Answer.
When ultimately, this is, the should be evaluated pretty much
exclusively on human suffering because you're dealing with a
pandemic and you're dealing with lockdowns.
And what has it done to people psyche and everything else.
Anyways, I can go on forever so we can keep going.
Vitally important point. Thank you for pointing that out.
When it comes to the debate among.
Let's just narrowly focus on. Covid-19 casualties and the
Stockwell, what we answered the stock market, economic effects.
What do you say to people when they say for heaven's sakes?
The casualties are so high. Sometimes, you have to crack a
few eggs to make an omelet. The egg cracking is the
lockdowns. The omelet is the future of
civilization. How do you respond to that
mindset of? I don't care about and I just
want the low numbers. Well, I deal with it in a few
different ways. I mean, Depends on the person
that you're who's your opposition here?
If they are hard graphs and charts, people then obviously,
I'll point out how much better other nations other states have
done without the harsh. Dictates harsh lockdowns, Mass
spending sings of that nature. If it's someone I think I can
reach on a moral philosophical principle level.
I will counter it with human Liberty.
And do you believe in Freedom? Do you actually think that
individuals? Have rights that supersede the
collective. I mean, do you do you believe
that? Because if you don't well, that
I'm not sure we have much more to discuss to be honest, but I
will certainly try and shame them into acknowledging.
The fact that you are dismissing individual rights in this
moment. And, and then my last resort is,
is trying to explain that the, the ultimate toll that it's
taking on human psychology and the fact that, you know, we may
end up losing more lives. Because of what were the scope
of the government that were allowing to now exist globally?
And like, is that trade-off? Is that risk worth while?
You know, so you can hit him on a thousand angles.
Honestly. I love what you said about
potentially shaming them, if they're not listening to reason
because I love giving people both, I love saying here's the
reason and then when the vast majority of them more or less
spit in my face at in response, you can always use what I know.
I ran called the argument from and Imitation any attempt to
show disapproval. Okay, so you think some people
own the bodies of others that people don't get to choose what
they do. You are much more focused on
numbers. So in 1860 your argument would
have been let's run the GDP numbers on.
What unsaved individuals will do.
Let's look at all welfare recipients and see if they'd be
more productive if they were enslaved.
So you don't have any principles.
You're just an animal going off Instinct.
I You letting me know that that might do.
That might actually do, it might not change their mind, but it
might get them to shut up and not make that next cringe, Tick
Tock video that guilt other people into conforming know.
You're exactly right. I'll be there.
That's kind of, like my last line of defense.
I'm just like, I think what you're doing is monstrous.
So, if I've given you rational explanations and logical
counters and all sorts of, you know, statistical examples as to
why you're wrong and you're still not hearing me.
I'll just make you feel bad. I'm not above that.
Exactly. Have you taken the covid?
Charts test. By Tom Woods?
I think I did it along like months ago.
Did it's been out for a while, right?
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
It's looking out for a while. Yeah, it's so good because you
no longer need the well, you guys care about lives.
We care about some other factors.
It's like, even if I grant, you, mask mandates and lockdowns,
there's no correlation between lockdowns.
Mass mandates and lower numbers in the best indicator is States
within America or even in Asia, of course, they erroneously
compare Asia to America. But even if you look at the same
places, you know, Cambodia, Japan China regardless of their
response to it. They had more or less the same
results in the same area. So you can look at the line and
you have to guess which place had the Mandate, which one is
Alabama. And which one is you?
Mississippi or something, where they had different approaches to
this. It's, it's not even the, the
case that well, you have to give the state a little more power,
so you can get all these better results.
You don't even get the better results, which is, which is so
often the case. I mean, this is exactly the
libertarian argument against Central planning.
Is that even when it sounds like a good idea, it doesn't pay off.
I mean, it's almost never gets you, the results.
You expect and I would argue it. Never does.
So I mean, but Tom did a killer job of actually making that
visually explicit. You'd think that the expert
class the very smart people of the world would have a little
more humility after a 20-year war in Afghanistan led to the
Taliban taking over an 11 days. The entire country.
I mean like it became pretty easy to dismiss Iraq, as you
know, a quagmire or a blunder, of course, they still couldn't
call it evil when you know, you're killing civilians, but at
least they got a wreck. With Afghanistan, everyone was
on board. I think there was like one
congresswoman who voted against it and was the expert class.
Like wow, maybe just cause we're experts.
Well, I mean, who in 2001 said this is going to be a 20-year
unwinnable war and it's going to kill a bunch of people in the
Taliban is going to be just as strong as ever before.
Well, they'll have more popular support because now they've
taken down the US government the Empire.
So now they're probably more popular amongst the people than
ever the extra class. Never.
Guys is even when they're blatantly wrong.
Well, they do. And they don't even, they
refused to even reflect on it. It's astonishing.
And then once we finally get out, then they point the finger
at all the moral failings of our withdraw and then they say well
what about the women and children that are going to be
forced to be masked? It's like well first off you're
masking our own women and children at home.
So like get off the moral high horse.
You don't have any moral High Ground to talk to people like
this anymore. And I think that that's the
biggest change that. I actually noticed as I
reflected on. I was like man. 1999 American.
Akka to 2021 America is unrecognizable and to me that's
that's how you know, Osama Bin Laden one.
I mean, he bankrupted us. The Taliban is back in power.
Like how did he not win? I don't understand how anyone
could view this as anything other than the most egregious
loss in military history for this country.
I mean, it's really bad and look at the covid connection.
Of course, they will. Pin it on, you know, put People
Like Us. Or, you know, anyone saying that
we never should have gone, or we should have negotiated with the
Taliban and Bush should have accepted their offer as he
mentions in the Afghanistan chapter of decision points.
He says, yeah, we gave them an offer but we had no intention of
accepting it. It was mainly just to increase
public support behind our our Invasion because they denied
mullah Omar, handing over Bin Laden.
So, what they do is, you know, that they create a disaster and
then blame the people who Ooh, you know, said we shouldn't have
gone in the first place. Well, isn't that exactly like
our article here? Where they say?
Well, we need to lock down and then the lockdowns don't work
and then they blame everyone else or they say, well, we need
a vaccine and then they get the vaccine, which does not have the
effect. They thought it would.
So they blame people questioning the vaccine.
They will never admit they're wrong.
So to give them any leeway. You can't give them what Tyler
Cowen and Alex. Rockdale so-called Libertarians
the Cato world of. Well, let's give it a shot and
see if it works but they've already had the foregone
conclusion. The best evidence is in
paragraph to the Cano says, but if and when covid-19 is finally
eradicated will have these technocrats to thank.
So. He's already thanking them
before it happens. How does he know?
It's not going to be a, you know, diverse group of people in
the middle of nowhere, who come up.
With you know, who come up with some solution.
I don't know, long story short. He's already saying that I'm
already thinking those in power. I have no clue how this is going
to end. Not to mention that this was
created and in a lab in Wuhan. There you go.
Any thoughts on that. Well, a ton of thoughts.
I mean, back to your first point.
This is the exact same argument with funding for public school,
no matter what the outcome. It's just we didn't have enough
money. You gave them all the money in
the world and the results were shit, they'd be well, it's just
because we didn't have enough money and this is the same thing
with Afghanistan now. Well, it's been 20 years.
But if it had been 25, you don't know.
You don't know that. It might have been great.
I mean, we might have created the next Japan.
So it's a, you know, unfalsifiable unfalsifiable
assertion. Essentially.
It's like, yeah, I mean you can make that claim.
But we gave you motherfuckers, 20 years, and you didn't
accomplish anything. So I'm going to air on On the
side of you being wrong and me being right?
And it's got hardened is said, you know, even if you believe
that we should have invaded we should have been out by December
of 01. I mean, it should have been over
by then because if they were willing to hand over Bin Laden,
you're done. So on all counts on all fronts,
what they claim to be doing with that war was a lie, and I think
that what they claim to be doing with the lockdowns, is also a
lie. I don't think it has to do with
covid and I know it gets into Alex Jones, woo, world.
Comic Forum conspiracy land, but I believe that I believe that
there's no justifiable reason for them to be doing a global
rollout of what I consider totalitarianism.
I mean, they are treating us globally as slaves.
They are talking about, not allowing us to leave our car
States, our countries, our homes.
I mean, it is absolute Madness and they have somehow
manipulated the public into believing at least half of the
people. It seems.
That this is good, that this is how we should be responding to a
virus that is relatively benign. Sorry.
I went off on a total tangent there.
But well, I think you're right. Get, you're totally right.
Of course. This was the ultimate.
You no excuse for them to do everything that they've wanted
to do. Anyways.
Yeah. I looked into the situation.
Long story short, my organization gets a ton of money
in a ton of power. Well, I'm sure that's the
conclusion. You came to her.
Out convenient, the same people who since you know, what the
first world war. The Spanish American war have
have the same Progressive mindset or neocon mindset,
whatever, even on the right. It's some people wanting to
control others. I mean, to be totally honest,
even if he gave the kindest person, this amount of power, it
would literally be like the Ring in Lord of the Rings were, the
nicest person would be like, oh my God, like if I got this
amount of power tomorrow, I'm like, all right.
I can finally shut down. Cooler talk.
And I can take down The Young Turks and MSNBC.
All, this is gonna be great. You guys would never hear from
me again. High tide, be in teheran evil.
It's it's so difficult. And one other note, you know,
his, his assertion that we're going to thank the technocrats
at the end of this. I'm still Pretty, pretty
staunchly of the belief that we would be in this position.
If not in a better position without lockdowns, without the
vaccine roll out without anything.
If the government, I still believe this, I believed it 45
days in, I believe it to this day, had we had the government
do nothing. We would be in a better
position. Now, I think that there's a high
probability that we don't have the Delta variant that we don't
have the next variant if we're not vaccinating.
There's there's a lot of It is that that's actually what's
transpiring. And then you also have the
lockdowns, which reduce people's immune response.
You have the fact that they're not getting enough Sun then so
they don't have enough vitamin D there.
I mean, there are so many layers to this and it is so many
factors that it's, I can't, I can't prove it.
I mean, there's so much manipulation.
I can't know, but I know as well as he does as to.
What's gonna, who's gonna be responsible for us, prevailing
over covid. As if we are ever going to
Prevail. My personal opinion is going to
be endemic. We're gonna have covid-19 of our
fucking Human existence, so, do you remember when this first
came out? And it was like, ALC, Donald
Trump. Even Gordon Ramsay was saying in
order to fight this, what you need to do is wash your hands,
keep your hands clean. Don't touch your eyes nose and
mouth. That's where the virus gets in.
Yep. And then they have completely
dropped that. The science is both objectively
clear. And it also changes all the time
day and of course, fauci was on 60 Minutes and you don't need
masks and you don't get to Say, well, he looked into it and
using the scientific method changed his professional
opinion. Well, he never apologized for
getting it wrong, if he was really sorry, and it was some
terrible accident or Eve a I, uh, I told him the wrong thing.
I got to go chain, guys. I gotta clarify.
I got to step down. I got a resign.
We got a fire people for getting this so wrong.
It's so important. They really didn't care.
Surgeon. General was tweeting out people.
Stop, buying mass that are pretty much a waste.
Waste the World Health Organization was saying, Chinese
officials have looked into it. Virus doesn't go from person to
person. It's sort of like shingles.
Some people have the virus in them.
It's not contagious. Cancer is not contagious that
way. So yeah, I think the lack of
apologies are probably the best indicator that it's not a
difference of a world view. It's some people trying to
control others. Well that and it's also I mean,
it's just it's just such incredible hubris, like when
they talk about the updated science, they will acknowledge
the Changes, you know, the any time they get caught up in that.
Well the science of Olives, the science changed, you can't blame
me. But then I'm going to speak with
the same exact level of, you know, Authority.
As I did six months ago. When I told you the exact
opposite thing and you're supposed to trust me and you and
if you question me, you're a science denying asshole, you
know, it's like it's so frustrating.
It's like, how do you not know what I was just watching.
You say the opposite thing. Not not too long ago.
Oh 14 days to flatten the curve. It's like when Peter Griffin
tries to keep getting free samples.
So he puts on a mustache, then he puts on glasses.
They're not fooling anyone. You're the same girl screwing
us. Nothing has changed page, two
Rising geopolitical tensions. Even the first three words of
that sent Rising geopolitical. So things are extremely complex.
There's so much tension that now, Clint you're just too.
Done. We need the technocrats or take
over. They try to get you in this, the
world is so complex. Know the world is complex.
And that's why having technocrats with so much power
is the worst approach to the complexities of the world that
we live in great three words and and they're so on this Rising
geopolitical tensions, the governance of a frontier
Technologies, like, artificial intelligence and climate change
are other existential issues where Global cooperation at the
moment can be Best be described as kicking the can down the road
but crisis management is not the same as problem.
Solving that requires a strong Global application of the
precautionary principle as well as the provocative steering of
large-scale resources to Solutions.
If you want a better world for your children, don't hold your
breath. For Global Democratic
deliberation response to that paragraph.
Well, first off the assertion that we need of global
governance. To Ai and all these new
technologies I think is horrifying.
I was actually talking to my friend last night about this and
and you know, she was like artificial artificial
intelligence is really scary. And I was like, I'll grant you
that I think it is scary and she's like, in the government
doesn't even have any regulations for it.
I was like do you think if they were to roll out regulations for
AI that it wouldn't be written by Google and Facebook and apple
and everybody that has a financial interest in it and
right away. She was like, yeah, it would I
was like, okay, so The regulations are worthless.
I mean ultimately it's going to come down to abolishing the
government and then as having some sort of cultural agreement
as to what what level of AI becomes too dangerous for, you
know, Humanity's existence. Sorry.
I got I got sidetracked. But what any other?
So so so let's just let you take this.
He mentions all in one in order to get Gallup.
Has he says, geopolitical tensions.
So foreign policy artificial Origins climate State climate
change, other existential issues, getting into
existentialism, the philosophy of existence, he throws
everything in there to make you feel dumb and insecure and to
hand that. So you're much more likely to
say, well let let the wiser people figure this out.
See the great thing about volunteerism is, if you're
extremely insecure about your money, you can delegate your
rights to an accountant. I don't think I'm good with
engineering. So I buy a computer and a
microphone and a cell phone instead of making one myself.
That's me delegating expertise to people who know far more than
me. No one's saying no.
Even says we're Global cooperation.
At the moment. Can best be described as kicking
the can down the road. So even Global voluntary
cooperation. He just calling it kicking the
can down the road. He Advocates, large-scale
resources to Solutions. Don't hold your breath for
Democratic deliberation. So he was He was saying that
Global voluntary cooperation was kicking.
The can down the road is that implying that that it has to not
be voluntary, you know, he says, we're Global cooperation at the
moment, can best be described as kicking the can te.
So that's not going to work. We can't just cooperate.
So even it's so used to be. We need to do this together,
that was code for the state getting involved.
He now is like, completely thrown cooperation out the
window all together. This is this is exactly what de
Blasio. Said this morning.
He's like he's like we people respond best when we have
carrots and we have sticks. We've tried the carrots and he
doesn't say now, it's time for the stick.
But you know what? The implication is there.
This sounds like that. To me.
It sounds like the same claim that like what we tried telling
you plebs what to do, and how to survive this, you didn't fucking
listens and how we have to force it into your body or you can't
live a life of Freedom ever again.
It's like Well, that's a declaration of war friend.
If that's if that's the path. You want to take.
You are declaring war on me. Whether I want the vaccine or
not. I'm never going to tell you if
I've taken it because it's none of your fucking business.
And I will continue to live as a free person for the rest of my
life. And if you infringe upon that,
you are addressing upon me. And I will respond in kind.
That's, that's how I perceive all of this and anybody, like
other Libertarians are getting into this, like, Private
property, you know, they have the right to disassociate all
this shit. I'm like, I'm not having any of
it. It's a fucking declaration of
war. You know what it is.
If they, it's obviously being dictated to them via political
pressure, Biden, and Cuomo, and all of these other assholes have
come out and recommended strongly that private
businesses, mandate vaccination. It's like, well, what do you
think that is? Is that not an alliance between
big business and big government? Do you there's a word for it,
you okay with it? Because I'm pretty sure I'm not.
I don't know my overstating it. What do you think?
Not at all? I love your response to whether
I get it or not. I'm never going to tell you
because that deprives them of what they're really after, which
is just wanting to control other people.
I mean, this is that, since the Pharaohs of Egypt, we've been
fighting the battle of the information bore of some people
against others, so they could violently dominate, them either
directly or indirectly. That's that's the ancient war
between, you know, human, Things he goes on to say there are
numerous examples of the 20th century interventions designed
to prevent worst-case scenarios. You know, what's coming?
This is the best because the most common justification for
current state intervention is past State intervention.
They never justify it at the moment.
They just do a thing take over, you know, large portions of the
economy in the first world war. So next time, there's a
depression, they say, well, come on Kaiser Wilhelm was hardly a
threat to us. One knew that at the time.
No, you lied about it, then. So, if we do that for Kaiser,
Wilhelm, well, certainly the depression.
Now, we need to confiscate the nation's gold and in turn a
bunch of Japanese people. Yep, and I know it every time
and and World War Two is always viewed as such a positive and
FDR is so deified. Like he was not one of the worst
tyrants that's ever ruled over this country.
It's it's astonishing. How they can rewrite history.
And that is the power of myth and narrative, how they can just
create Heroes and then good will call you.
FDR bad will call you Hitler. And now we've pretty much
decided everything that there is to even if you even says in the
Years of World War Two, then u.s.
President Franklin Roosevelt conceived of the four policemen
to restrain military. Rearmament a coalition that
became embedded in the United Nations security Council.
So in other words, if you thought going into the second
world war was good, then technocrats should rule over US
during covid, right? Which is just such a like, such
a leap. It's what 75 years ago or
something. And Oh my God, and if we wore,
it's not if it's not a, I mean there's a massive genocide going
on and for the record. I don't think it happens without
World War one. I don't think we should have
been involved regardless, but it's a totally different thing.
So, know the answer to your assertion that you that I
should. Now, listen to technocrats is
no, and they never even consider the cost to covid or the world
wars. They're like, all right, the war
that Britain declared on Germany because they violated polish
Independence ended with 60. And Ed Millions enslaved,
Millions homeless and giving Poland to Stalin along with 11
other countries. Okay.
Can we not say that? It's a cut and dry case?
Can we say that there's both pros and cons?
But that's the great lie. Health Care, Free education,
free Ward keeps us, safe. Covid, vaccine stops, the
spread, it's all these no cost solutions that they're able to
fake us out with. It's actually a Time preference
argument because it's like if you if you want the best
outcome. Um, in the short term, you can
justify a lot of statism. You can justify money printing.
You can justify all sorts of malfeasance and terrible
management of of a Nation. But if you want the best for the
long term, individualism, you know, fiscal sanity small
government. Those are the things that
actually get us, you know, the brightest tomorrow, but that's
not how politicians live politicians live for that
election tomorrow. They don't live for the election
10 years from now, and I think that that's a fatal flaw and
democracy. Excellent point.
What I love about this next paragraph is their ability to
admit, the Alex Jones is of the world who are right.
And then still dismiss them similar approaches, have
characterized the US and un response to Major demographic
risks in the 1970. Okay, you see, Clint, there's
risks to the real world and risks are bad.
Unlike handing tons of control over the government and all rest
there. It doesn't there's does but the
risk is in not having the government in complete control.
That's the only risk that they see.
No, it's terrible in the 1970s fearing the security.
They just want us to be secure fearing.
The security implications of a rapidly growing growing world
population. The Ford Administration began
significant support for population planning.
Policies such as the mass distribution of contraception
across the developing world that represented a turning point in
global fertility contributing to the present plateau of the world
population at almost 8 billion, people rather than 15 billion.
People feared at the time, more fake numbers.
The long story is there was a population control plan under
Ford written by Kissinger titled National State, security
memorandum 200. So they admit population control
exists. And they want to put something
inside of us that we have no clue what it is.
Can you see why? Some of us are a little
skeptical? Not not saying I know for a
fact, it's evil, but can you see why some of us are skeptical?
What do you think about this concept of well?
Comment on anything? Well, yeah idea that they'll be
like but population control is a fake conspiracy theory.
Alright? It exists but it's for the
greater good. What a great trick.
I mean, that's what they do with most, most of the conspiracy
theories that we have them dead to rights on.
They will, they will. Deny it to the end of the Earth.
And then, as soon as you as soon as you actually like present the
evidence, like well, what about the CIA report from 50 years ago
and they'll be like, yeah, but it's good.
I mean, aren't Eugenics good Keith, you know, like I
personally I don't think so. I don't think.
Do you think that the China, you know, one child policy is a good
thing. Do you think that's moral?
And, but I think that many of these people, if they, you know,
if they had their druthers, they would like to have that for the
entire world. They see no issues with, with
the top down, technocratic. Tell terrorism.
Yeah, I mean even with the as far as going back to 2001, you
know, the Alex Jones of the world were saying well the full
The Carter and Reagan administration helped the
mujahideen in the 70s to fight the Soviets.
Lot of those Afghani Fighters we could call Al Qaeda and then
today in 2012. It's like they Jake Sullivan's
like, yep, the way we're fighting.
Assad is Is were siding with al-Qaeda in Syria or siding with
Al Qaeda and Yemen, where siding with al-Qaeda, in Libya against
Gaddafi. So, like the most bizarre thing
ever, that you could have said in 2001, is the CIA is teaming
up with the people that are Waging War against and now it's
like, of course we do that. We got to fight Assad Assad,
gassed his own people for god, sakes and simultaneously at the
exact same moment. They will talk about how we have
to go back into Afghanistan because we can't have a place
for Al Qaeda to, you know. Regrow their terrorist boot
camps, you know, it's like it's just it's just the kind of the
mm immediate dissidents that it gives me.
It just makes me want to jump through.
The screen covid-19 is a fine example.
Risk philosopher Nassim Nicholas taleb and his collaborators
complexity theorists feminist. Dance theory is the joke that we
use to to say these peoples fake tiles risk philosopher.
And complexity theorists. Those are worse than what we
make up to ma get near barium. And Joseph Norman issued
prescient early warnings in January of 2020.
Arguing in favor of the precautionary principle owing to
the interconnectedness of global epidemiological social and
economic systems. So Clint technocracy is
Justified. This is referred to as
scientific dictatorship rule by the experts is just a I'd so we
can take precautions against Terrible Things.
How do you respond? Well, it's not justified and
it's a provably just damned path to take that.
What frustrates me most about technocracy.
Is that like, if you take, any person who's been a political
figure, a leader over the past 20 years, and you were to just
evaluate like, what were they saying?
Was going to happen? What were they advocating for?
What did it lead to? I don't think you can can
conclude anything other than Ron.
Paul would be the greatest. Technocratic leader.
We could hope for he's gotten more things, right?
Warned about more things Afghanistan, the real estate
collapse to you know, infinite printing the Federal Reserve,
endless war CIA spying and sat essay.
All of it. Never going away.
He has been right about all of this but yet they don't they
don't appreciate track record. Like if you're going to believe
in technocracy at a minimum, you have to believe in following
people's track record of results, and they don't.
And that's what makes me really hate them more than even, you
know, believing in technocracy. He is being bad at it.
You're just fucking bad to not even good, you didn't even think
there'd be a downside to overthrowing Saddam in your war
against al Qaeda, that gave Iraq to Al-Qaeda, right?
I mean, under no circumstance and then, you know, of course,
inflation is the great one that we say because so many
Libertarians are Austrian Economist sympathizers.
We say, yeah, well an increase in the money supply.
Appliance going to increase prices more than they otherwise
would be. And then CNN has the nerve to
say, of course. They deny inflation as Biden
does to Don Lemon and then CNN comes out and says expect higher
food prices to stay because of extreme weather.
So now they admit that. Yes, the prices are rising but
it's back to the climate change. It's like playing status to
whack a mole. Every time we take one down.
We what? We got to hit another one.
Do you have any techniques for Or assisting people, so they
don't fall for the next scam. Other than to listening to
people like you. And I know, I mean, honestly, I
think it's just it's just important to realize that the
media, the politicians Hollywood.
Everyone is lying to you. So if you're going to rely on
someone to give you information, you're making a mistake, it's
going to require you to not believe the initial news reports
on basically everything that hits your your computer, your
inbox whatever and it's going to require.
A little bit of patience, a little bit of diligence, a
little bit of, you know, self-starting research.
If you, if it sounds propaganda e-i mean after this, past year
and a half. If you don't know what I'm
talking about when it when I say it, does it sound like
propaganda. Just think about it.
Does it sound like it because we have been propagandize
aggressively for a year and a half.
So I think that that's the key is like any good libertarian is
now at the point of like I don't trust anybody like I'm going to
do follow-up research before I start to run.
With some narrative or even, just giving them the insecurity
of do you see why people buy kids, who went to Mormon school
for 12 years are really sympathetic to the Mormon
Church. Okay.
How about the Catholic church kids who went to their?
Okay. So when the state has a monopoly
on compulsory education for like what 80 90 percent of the
citizenry? Can you see why a lot of them
are such suckers for giving the state more power look like even
before we ever About, whether the sinking of the Maine was
really done by the Spanish, or whether the vaccine is reliable.
Can we just agree that you have a big bias toward the gut?
Like you shouldn't be the judge when your mother is on trial.
You have such a bias. It's impossible for you to be
fair. Can we just start there?
You have any other techniques of increasing their skepticism?
Our insecurities about, you know, trusting the technocrats
or the state. I mean go read enough already.
Bye. Horton, like if you want to see
all of the wars that have led to all of the next Wars and and how
they were almost all predicated on lies and I mean, they were
all predicated on lives but more to some extent than the others.
I just think it's really important that people realize
it's not, it's not novel for the government to lie to us.
It is the norm. It's unusual for them to tell us
the truth. So I just would drive that point
home. Like you need to be skeptical to
your core. You like any any Did you receive
that? That demands an immediate
response from you? And and that response the the
requested response is to give the government more power.
You need to be very cautious every single time if that's like
global warming terrorism covid lockdowns.
Anti-vaxxers, anytime their response to that is give us more
power. We can fix it.
They're lying to you at least start from that from that
position and then work your way through.
How do you explain to the average person do you?
Difference between government, the state and just a regular
organization. Normally, it's just the Monopoly
on violence. You know, if it's if it's
government or the state, they have a monopoly on violence.
If it's a private organization, they don't normally, they're
held responsible by the government.
So if they were to commit violence, they would be, you
know, theoretically in prison except for an America, where you
now have this Unholy Alliance of Private Business and the state.
So, I don't know. Is there?
How else would you delineate? Well, I love the second part
about how. Usually, we would hold people
accountable. Principal, but if they lie with
the state, well, then again we can see that.
There's a principle difference. It's not just private good,
public bad. It's people who engage in this
initiating aggression against peaceful, people, that should
principal difference. And I just want to, of course,
you know, this is at the back of all of our minds whenever we're
having this discussion, but I just, I'm really trying to think
of a quick clever way to describe it to the average
statist or who has no conception.
Option of what the state is government.
They Define as the people who helped us cooperate.
That's like that's quite literally their their
definition. So so when it comes to, let's
just take this line from the article.
It's time for big decisions and strong management, whether a
sovereign debt resolution framework or a new Green
Revolution. So embedded in that is always
some people are going to have the right to rule and others are
going to have the right. Obey, so that's why I'm so
obsessed with this libertarian principle.
And always, before we talk about all the details.
Do you know why? I'm against this group called
the government group, like, why I pick on them out of all the
organizations? And, and of course, just just
like you were saying it's not enough to say private good when
they're the explicit co-conspirators.
When he says something like time for sovereign debt resolution
framework or a new Green Revolution.
When it comes to the environment, this is something
where it's completely complex and so out of the ordinary.
So some people are so likely to say it's so complex.
I'm just going to let the experts decide for me.
How do you responded to that mindset?
Well, I mean other than to point out that the government's, the
biggest polluter on Earth US, military in particular.
I would say, why would you rely on the biggest polluters to be
responsible for? Remedying it?
And then I would point out the, you know, incredible innovations
that we have in a free market economy.
And the fact that we are far more likely to come up with
Solutions via unshackling. The economy and allowing people
to actually go out and innovate. If global warming, if you
believe in your soul that it's the biggest risk to humanity.
Wouldn't you rather leave the money in the entrepreneurs?
Hands to go out and try and get richer than, you know, God by
fixing it. That's that's my belief.
Is to how it will ultimately be solved, is that someone will
come up with carbon capture something or some new saltwater
into electricity. Something, some new technology
that allows us to stop producing carbon and mess and then it'll
be resolved. So the I just try and like,
basically our I just take a efficacy argument where it's
like the government isn't a fight.
She's like, what has the government fucking done that?
They promised you? What do they succeeded at
anything? Can you tell me something?
And then from there? I kind of work backwards.
Yeah. Well, and even now, with a lot
of there things were they say, well, you know, if any
organization gets trillions of dollars every year, they're
going to do some good with it by definition.
I mean, even if they lit it all on fire, it would increase the
value of everyone else's money by leading to deflation and we
warm our hands on it pigs. Exactly.
So there's so there's always going to be something good.
So it's not enough to say government did something good.
Catholic Church does good stuff. The Koch brothers do good things
that give them the right to rule the rest of us.
If you go to aging us, if you go that route though, then you have
to get in the explaining opportunity costs.
And I feel like from a lot of people that's just that's a
little bit too. Nebulous data, that is rough.
Unfortunately. It's great that we have, you
know, embraced the most vitally important regulation.
Check and balance, which is the freedom to disassociate with Bad
actors. So, we're constantly told well,
you know, there's so many bad people out there that we need to
state to really crack on things. Well, all of those criticisms
apply tenfold to the state if you can opt out of associated
with them. And then they want to give big
Pharma more power than. I don't know.
Anyone has ever had the ability to have the state and the media
team up with you with, you know, professors to get people
injected with something. I mean that is literal 1984 and
now they don't want us to be able to disassociate from those
businesses because they want a monopoly on it.
They want all Airlines to do it. They want all, you know,
international travel to be basically forced to be vacs only
and it's like All I'm asking for is the capacity for
Alternatives. So I don't have to do what
you're demanding of me. If you don't give me an
alternative if there isn't an industry option, that allows me
to continue to do to live my life.
You are coercing me. You are forcing me to either
cooperate or defend myself and I'm at the point of defending
myself. I mean, that's really where I'm
at with this thing because you cannot you cannot continue to
treat me like a second-class citizen.
I mean, they are overtly. We pushing for a part that I
that's how I feel about it. Like they want to have two
classes of civilization and they want it to be permanent and it's
just astonishing to me that people aren't at their core
disturbed by that. Even if you're horrified of
covid and your your super pro-vaccine, how are you not
looking at this? And going?
I've seen this before. I know what this is.
I know where this goes. I know that I don't want this.
It's amazing. Final quote that we will address
here. If you want a better world for
your children. Don't hold your breath for
Global Democratic deliberation. What now?
I chose this because it's one of the, you know, bolded quotes on
the side. So they really want to catch
your eye, your eye with this. What do you see is the
propaganda technique in that sentence if you want a better
world for your children, don't hold your breath for Global
Democratic deliberation. I mean, it seems to me that they
are, I mean, that they're pretty clearly stating that they want a
global government because if you don't want Democratic
deliberation, you want to technocracy that presides above
all of global government as an aggregate, right?
Is that not in my reading it properly?
That's what, that's what I'm getting.
But okay. White bias.
So I like to delegate it for every now and then but of course
invoking the children, of course and and believer.
Should I do that? It's going to make it better for
the children. Notice that on sense.
Oh, yeah, that that that's a brilliant one.
So it's going to be better. Obviously that let's move past
that don't hold your breath for Democratic deliberation.
So yeah, they will throw democracy under the bus.
This is the ultimate justification for the state.
It's Democratic. It's not like, you know, selfish
places like The mises Institute that's, you know, private and
evil government were all in this together.
We all vote. This is, this is who really
represents us there. So, Quick to throw democracy out
the window. When it's when it's the biggest
hurdle for them. Any other big takeaways from the
article. I mean, other than the fact that
they're kind of lifting the veil.
I mean, that that is to me the biggest deal.
And this is actually what happened.
If you recall, that, that big, I think was a timepiece that came
out after the election about fortifying the election.
This, this feels the same way to me.
It's a lifting of the veil. It's like everything that Alex
Jones in the more Fringe people have.
Talking about for decades. They're getting more comfortable
with being open about it. And I don't know why that is
honestly because I mean, I think it's I think it's
overconfidence. I hope it's overconfidence.
I hope I'm not the overconfident one in our in our capacity to
defend against these types of things, but it seems to me that
the more technocratic dictator like people on Earth are feeling
much more Brazen. They're much more willing to
just we're just going to tell you how it is.
Yeah. You're you're R2 dumb and we're
smart and you should listen to us.
And that's that's now what we're doing instead of pretending that
they are a representatives and that we vote them into power and
that word the same but they're just there.
The there are servants. It's like none of that like the
fucking, the pedals are off the roads, like they're just telling
you how it is now. So we've come to the very sad
moment where we have to understand their techniques and
maybe a percentage of us should adopt them.
If this is the game we have to play.
Well, all Is making sure we have these sound arguments.
Doesn't mean we always have to use them all the time.
Like if like, if you had to do Hopscotch to get someone to take
money or medicine to save their life because they weren't
listening to the rationale. Well, sometimes you just got to
do that. So let's go through.
We got a few minutes left for propaganda techniques and give
me an idea of how you would use this same technique, but for our
side, number one activate strong.
Ian's, the status might do something like show you.
This person's dying. They're on a ventilator.
The look at all this death from covid.
We therefore need mandates and Ubi and everything else.
How can you use activating strong emotions to promote the
self ownership and freaking principle.
I would probably play the same dirty game and show them, you
know, the increase in, I mean, they probably wouldn't buy
graphs. But if I could actually show
them Some children that have killed themselves during
lockdown. For instance, the the incredible
increase in the rate of therapy for self-harm and suicidal
thought amongst children over the past 18 months.
If that if that's not enough to reach their heart.
They're probably just sociopaths or just seeing the footage of
the cops in Australia. It's like so an excusable
sometimes. Yeah.
Number to simplify. I was going to go on but We're
running short here number to simplify information and ideas,
successful. Propaganda tells simple stories
that are familiar and trusted often using metaphors imaginary
reputation repetition and short phrases to make them seem true
and to substitute critical thinking how can Freedom
Advocates simplify information and ideas.
That's a really hard one because many of our ideas are complex.
So I think that's why a tagline like, End.
The Fed was so good, you know, three, three letter words, just
bang, bang, bang. So, yeah, that's I don't know
that I could come up with one better on the fly.
To be honest. You got anything Ron, Paul gave
me a great one, when he was on my show.
He said, if you can't do it, the government, can't do it.
In other words. What are they Gods on Earth?
I mean, it's just that. That's, that was just so nice.
Nice and quick that it automatically gets you holding
the state to the same principles.
You told the other people to I think the problem with that is
that a lot of people struggle with believing that they that
the people that rule over them are just as fallible.
I think people really struggle with that.
And I think that that's something that as I've become
very financially successful and I've interacted with very
powerful. Wealthy people, you realize,
like, they're not actually better than us.
I mean, they just, they just have a Bit different skill set.
They have a lot of, it's nepotism a lot of, its
connections, and ties and it's politics and it's like,
ultimately, you need to save yourself.
I don't know. That's a quick one.
Maybe we could use that. Yeah, that's a great one or even
just I mean I get that it's a little bit of a switch to say.
Well, how many of them saw the Afghanistan debacle happening?
This was one of the longest, you know, if you count CIA going
into Vietnam in the 50s to help the French, of course, but I I
mean, the longest war, one of the biggest, most vital things.
None of them. Got right, virtually.
None of them were right about it.
And why doesn't that make you question the expert class a
little bit. I mean, just throwing one of
what one of those examples. Sure.
Number three respond to needs and values creating effective
propaganda that appeals directly to the needs hopes and fears of
specific groups makes it personal and relevant and which
also makes people pay attention. And absorb information.
Any ideas on how we can respond to the needs and values?
I mean, I just try and reframe it so that people kind of
re-evaluate what their principles are.
I think a lot of people have focused on safety over the past
18 months and I think ultimately at their core.
Most Americans still do value freedom, but far, too many of
them value security over Freedom.
So I think I think getting people to reflect on how much
they've sacrificed through these lockdowns and how much they've
missed out on the fact that their There now, you know drug
addicts because they couldn't go to their senior year of high
school and shit like that. Like try and get them to reflect
on how much they've lost by allowing to give up their
rights, allowing to give up their freedom and ask them if
they want to retain that. Do you do you enjoy life more in
2021 than you did in 2012, you know, or whatever.
And I think most people would say, yeah, this sucks and then
argue from there. Yeah, and even it's not it's not
even the freedom versus security, you know, cost-benefit
analysis. You can get security on the free
market. You have alarm systems, you have
medicines, you have preventive care, you have, you know, Zoom
instead of going to a meeting. If you're really that scared,
the security is so fake that even with all the measures, it's
as though they've done nothing at all.
It's not that they're not like thanks so much for letting us
push this agenda through. I want to thank the For all the
trillions there. Now on the hook for I really
thought this was going to work. I can't believe we still have
covid cases. This was supposed to be 14 days.
Of course, it's fake security. It leaves you less secure.
Finally attack opponents. Attacking opponents creates an
us-versus-them mentality, which suppresses the consideration of
more complex information and ideas people are naturally
attracted to conflict which can serve as a form of political.
Or fair to discredit people or groups Clint any ideas on how we
can use the attacking opponents propaganda method in the Freedom
Movement. Oh, man, you must not have seen
the opener to my episode yesterday because I do it.
I actually am pretty good at this.
This is probably what I'm best at and I know that's not a good
thing. It's probably a character flaw,
but I because I'm good at it. I'll explain exactly what I do.
When I see an ally in particular, I go harder on them
than Do a statist or an opponent, if they have a, if
they have an idea that I find truly reprehensible.
Like, in this case, I'm talking about the Libertarians that have
ran cover for what I believe is fascism vaccine mandates.
These, these people I have been tearing to shreds over the past
48 hours and it's not, I don't normally like to do this.
I don't normally like, to go after allies, but I feel like
when you need to Galvanize a movement on an issue, And I
don't think that I'm not sure that there has been a bigger
issue in my life than what, than a vaccine mandates like.
It is such a fucking big deal. And if Libertarians are going
to, you know, get all pedantic and argue about philosophy.
And well, what I mean? If it wasn't like this, wouldn't
you believe that a business has a right to disassociate?
And it's like, dude, that's not what this is.
So, get out of your fucking philosophy, textbooks and get
get in reality. We are in the fight.
There's no, there's no time to be arguing about.
Lots of be right now, we need to fight against what's happening
in front of us and it's like a lot of people struggle with
that. So I very much use, you know,
demonizing your opponent in that in that regard.
I got a lot of people to go out and shame.
A lot of probably really good Libertarians otherwise and I did
it knowingly because I believe this issue is so important that
I have to get people to get in line and I know that sounds
fucked up, but that's really how I felt about it.
I totally We agree. Yeah, and you can even
philosophize, just do it better and Rec.
We didn't do it better than and recognize that these are
co-conspirators to the regime. So it's not that well, Pfizer
and modern are private and the airlines are private.
They get billions of dollars in bailouts, and then afterwards
are saying the same thing. The state is that is a
co-conspirator. That's like, you know, the
ultimate well, I wasn't the one doing the crime.
I'm The mob boss, I just give orders.
They're really the ones doing it.
Well, no, you are a co-conspirator in this
organization that's leading to this ultimate end.
Sometimes they're even more influential, but you look at the
US versus them tactics of Occupy Wall Street, 99% versus 1%
George Bush. You're either with us or you're
with the terrorists Nixon to get people off the gold standard.
We're doing this to fight Wall Street.
Laters and what we're only leaving the gold standard
temporarily. I think we need to just embrace
it. Look, there's two ways to
achieve your ends in life. There's violence in
volunteerism. And anyone who engages in
violence or sides with the people and becomes a
co-conspirator, the media, the press the professor's
universities Hollywood. Well, then you're evil and
you're that is a true divided, not rich versus poor black
versus white man versus woman. That's incredible that they've
gotten the man. Men in black versus white
divided. When there's a state.
Any thoughts on that being the division?
Or any final thoughts on propaganda.
No, I think voluntary is a violence is a good good dividing
line, because this is why I treated our allies so poorly
because they weren't behaving as allies.
They run, they were behaving is useful idiots for fascistic
interests, and it's like, look, you're probably a great person
other ones, but you are fucking my shit up right now.
And I can't have it. I got sorry to be profane.
But like you cannot get this topic wrong.
And but what I mean by getting out of philosophy is like, of
course, you should still apply our philosophy.
That's what we do all the time. It's embedded in us, but you
shouldn't be having arguments about things that aren't
happening. Right now.
That's what I'm saying. Like, if you want to argue of
like, well, shouldn't a business, be allowed to turn
someone away. Like, don't you, aren't you
oppose the Civil Rights Act? Don't you think that businesses
should have a right to do that. It's like, well, my argument
Makes them was what if in the in the same moment that these
businesses were considering banning all minorities to go to
their restaurants, the present United States, and a governor
and a bunch of Governors and all of the news media came out
simultaneously and they said, we want to encourage private
businesses to make it so that no minorities can eat at
restaurants in this country. Would you advocate for that?
Or would you see that is obvious fucked up collusion between
government, which is basically circumventing the Constitution
to implement Really unlimber T oriented policy making.
And I think when you frame it like that, especially for the
more woke Libertarians out there, they start to grasp it a
little bit. Clint.
You've got a lot of episodes of your excellent.
Shell. It might seems like drinking out
of a fire hose. If someone just goes there and
is searching through everything if they wanted a Solid
introduction to liberty lockdown.
What is an episode? They should start with?
Man, I would say 106 107 my most recent ones.
I think that those are probably the most passionate, actually
105 106, 105 and 106 our solo episode.
So if you want to see the full fire of me, that'll be it.
And then episode 107. I had spiked Cohen on so that'll
be a good for a into my more interview style shows episodes
two, links to episodes, 105 106 and 107 will be in the the
description below. Thanks to everyone for watching
Keith Knight. Don't try to on anyone and the
libertarian Institute Clint, brother.
Thank you so much for your time. I'm a huge fan of Keith.
Thank you for having me. If anybody wants to follow me,
go to at Liberty like pot on Twitter.
Thank you guys. Thank you again.