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If one rejects laissez-faire on 
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moral weakness, one must for the
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kind of government action. 
Welcome to Keith's night. 

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Don't tread on anyone today. 
I am joined by Spike Owen, 

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former vice presidential 
candidate for the libertarian 

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party. 
Mr. Cullen. 

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Thank you for coming on. 
Where's the best place for 

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people to find your work? 
All over the Internet. 

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Honestly. 
Keith. 

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So if I'm if you look on 
Facebook search for Spike Owen 

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if you look on Twitter search 
for Spike Owen, if you look on 

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YouTube search for Spike Owen, 
if you look on Instagram, search

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for Spike Owen, technically, I'm
on Tick-Tock. 

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I just don't do much on there. 
But I if enough people follow me

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and harass me, I will start 
doing stuff on more stuff on 

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Tick, Tock to, but pretty much 
anywhere that you are on the 

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internet. 
You can find me. 

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Yes. 
I've also seen his videos on 

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Odyssey and The Alternatives and
the superiors to YouTube, which 

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we are trying to to get out 
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Before we get into why 
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should embrace libertarianism, 
please define libertarianism, 

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and government. 
So, libertarianism in a nutshell

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is the belief that people do 
best when they are most free. 

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We could spend hours breaking 
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thought of libertarianism and 
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rights and self ownership and 
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Me and the non-aggression 
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things. 
But they all boil down to the 

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belief that we own ourselves 
have personal autonomy over 

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ourselves and do best when we 
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When our, when our lives and our
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And our individual autonomy is 
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And when we respect the lives 
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autonomy, and property of 
others, and that conversely, the

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system that we're in now which 
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the collective, and those in 
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The individual that we not only 
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just in less moral. 
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doesn't work as well as a 
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That isn't as free as a society 
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society, that isn't as fair and 
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more endemic abuses, and blow in
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comes as a result of it. 
So, that's sort of the, the 

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nutshell of libertarianism. 
Now, government is depending on 

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who you ask and either a 
necessary evil to Protect the 

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lives and rights and property of
the people, or just another 

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infringement on the lives and 
rights of property. 

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The people that has no rightful 
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place. 
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force and extortion, it doesn't 
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its existence, Liberty. 
I personally am an anarchist. 

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So I tend to lean towards the 
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Libertarians respect anyone in 
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In that belief, either that it 
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it's evil. 
It's whether it's a necessary 

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evil. 
Or an unnecessary evil, which is

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where we disagree. 
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inherently and a de facto 
infringement on the lives and 

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rights and property of the 
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it's not necessary and as and 
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some of us believe that it is 
necessary to protect to 

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coercively protect the lives and
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under it, but that's sort of the
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And, and again, the core 
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libertarianism. 
Is that the more free we are the

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better. 
Things will be not just, the 

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more just our society will be 
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will be but the more free it'll 
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It will be the more fairer and 
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It'll be the less abusive and 
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It'll be that's sort of the the 
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So, do you see government as 
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sometimes we can employ or is it
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claim the right to initiate 
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Peaceful people as, you know, 
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have said, I believe it's the 
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Now again, I am willing to work 
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it's the former and honestly 
even people many men artists who

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believe that. 
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argument. 
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believe we need a minimal 
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who believe we don't need any 
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But really we both recognize 
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who presume the authority to to 
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us mitr kiss, believe that that 
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to stop a worse coercion from 
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That there needs to be a 
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exist to kind of set the 
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lives and rights and property of
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from some worse, coercion. 
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I disagree with that. 
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coercion and systemize it and 
rationalize it, then you create 

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the ability For Worse coercion 
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facto justify those, but 
ultimately it's not an argument.

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That's really worth having when 
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agree that we're currently, you 
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country and our society, and our
government is headed, it is, you

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know, moving at the speed of 
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tyrannical, ever oppressive ever
bloated, ever inefficient, ever 

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destructive path and that and 
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direction. 
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degree turn and moving, you 
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towards a greater. 
Human Liberty. 

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When we get to Greater human 
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Then we can start spending more 
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Arguing on, you know, whether we
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State, a so-called nightwatchman
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from those who would do us harm 
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all. 
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better provided by competing and
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But, you know that again that's 
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like, if we're in a plane crash 
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out how to get out of the plane 
alive and you, and I start 

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arguing over, you know, Whether 
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Rolls-Royce jet engines or Pratt
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this from happening. 
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moment. 
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can have a discussion about 
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moving forward, or you know, 
what, what, you know, what 

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process in the in the, you know,
the safety maintenance process 

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needs to be changed to make sure
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let's try to get on the ground 
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number of casualties in the 
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It's like, When in Seinfeld, 
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George Costanza admits to lying 
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Like really, that's where your 
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That's the moment. 
Scratching please. 

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Can we get, can we prioritize so
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that. 
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I believe that everyone in order
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needs education. 
Let's just stick on education 

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for now. 
A way to achieve. 

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This is for a group of people 
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Eight a right to representatives
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provide such an education. 
This way everyone gets it, not 

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just the rich people and the 
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everyone is entitled to this 
education, which is necessary 

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for us to live with dignity and 
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Why should I consider something 
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Well, you're 100% correct. 
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thriving Society. 
We need to have education in. 

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In order for our children and 
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future, we have to know things. 
We have to know how the world 

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works. 
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learn how to have certain, you 
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able to actually make an income.
We have to know about things 

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like philosophy. 
We need to know about things 

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like history. 
We need to know about things 

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like the Arts. 
We need to know about all of 

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these different things, 
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you being the hypothetical 
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When you say to me, I think that
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education is to, you know, is to
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essentially, you know, Rob 
everyone, or tax everyone to be 

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able to provide this education. 
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that worked out? 
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It's worked out very well. 
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through 12 education. 
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has to go to college and we have
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But in general, it has given 
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It may be the bare minimum isn't
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nothing, which is what they'd 
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education system. 
It's what they'd have in the 

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absence of any education system,
but what I would say to and this

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is and I've had this discussion 
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Country is all say, you know, if
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I don't have to tell you what 
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public schooling. 
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increasingly Draconian systems 
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they're not really learning 
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take a test. 
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aren't, you know, geared in such
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is a large number of children 
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They're putting classes that 
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classes with people. 
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overwhelmed as a result because 
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know, teach they aren't their 
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bunch of kids. 
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one-on-one education with people
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attention. 
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this system and an increasing 
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left behind ironically enough. 
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the legislation that led to 
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generations of Scantron babies 
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anything and It is actually 
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parents of children in public 
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because they're the ones living 
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You know, I've talked to people 
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you know, your on your, on your 
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How much decision-making do you 
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And they say none, we hear what 
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and we figure out how best to 
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can afford. 
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have to do that with? 
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say, why is that and they go? 
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Yeah, but where did the money 
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Where is the education money 
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bulb goes off. 
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out how they can get more money 
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realizing the amount of money 
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community and put in the hands 
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clearly demonstrated that they 
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And so the answer for education 
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have now because the education 
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small handful of people are 
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actually they've taken all of 
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money to make education systems 
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the teachers, all of the 
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Now, even if they were the best 
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know, people that were, you 
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and were incredibly intelligent 
and knew all sorts of things. 

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They couldn't possibly be able 
to decide as well as the actual 

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parents and teachers and experts
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for. 
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schools as well as they can't. 
There's no way that a small 

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those individuals in those 
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and of course we know politics 
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best. 
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It tends to attract people that 
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Rob everyone. 
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ability to tell everyone else 
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be put in power by billionaire 
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by the taxpayer. 
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we're talking education or 
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When you put these people in 
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you get centralize all of that 
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small few, you are leading to 
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You are leading to bad outcomes.
You were leading to bad policies

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that leave an increasing number 
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And that's how our education 
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The libertarian solution to 
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opposite dismantle that entire 
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Take all of that power. 
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ability, and money, and put it 
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and the teachers, and the 
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their schools. 
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problems that their schools are 
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empowered, with their freedom, 
and their power, and their money

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back by kicking these clowns out
of office, by taking all that 

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power back and putting it back 
in the hands of the people where

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it always damn well belong. 
Let's say you had gotten the 

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chance to debate Kamala Harris 
when you were running for VP and

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it's, you know, largely known 
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very interested in Prosecuting 
parents, whose kids were truant 

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or did not attend school for the
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What would you have said on 
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If she had said, look, I did 
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Number one. 
It was the lot number two, if 

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Allow parents to beat their kids
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keep their kids in hellhole 
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That is a form of abuse. 
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up and live in a society where 
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If they are not educated. 
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I would have if I would have, 
there are a few things, I would 

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have said, but the first thing I
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have said of the children that 
you had taken from their single 

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parents and put in foster care. 
Because they miss school a few 

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times, how many of them have 
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Better Lives? 
How many of them have gone on to

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have college education's and you
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Fields. 
How many of them have been have 

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gone, you know have done better 
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Conversely? 
How many of them were subjected 

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to rape and torture and abuse 
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How many of them stayed in the 
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And never had a parent, an 
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And eventually graduated out of 
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to try to reconnect with their 
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away from. 
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she can't give an answer because
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And so she'd hem and haw around 
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answer to basically saying I 
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don't know what happened to the 
tens of thousands of children 

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who you tore away from their 
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to a state-mandated education 
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Then why? 
Why the hell did you do it? 

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If it was for their Goodwill? 
Why don't you know what happened

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to them if it was for the 
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Why don't you know, what outcome
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every time that you take that 
you rip a family apart for not 

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complying with the dictate of 
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Then what makes you think that 
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have even more power because 
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willing to harm people without 
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leads to a better outcome for 
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Very nice. 
Let's say I see the world as a 

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lot of First World countries, 
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Health Care, Australia, Great 
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However, in the u.s. 
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Healthcare prices, u.s. 
I associate with capitalism. 

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Capitalism, is about making 
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And therefore, we have embraced 
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of a care system where everyone 
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Care. 
Or go to their thank you. 

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Therefore, I do not support 
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I support the aggressive plan 
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access to health care for all 
Americans. 

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Why should I consider 
libertarianism? 

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Well, if so, if I have a short 
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that I usually respond with 
questions because that's a good 

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way to get more time by kind of 
forcing them to think about it. 

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If I had the just the short 
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got us into the system into the 
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We are right now. 
Shins billionaire, cronies, you 

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know, the insurance companies, 
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all and so forth that big Pharma
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Companies, the big insurance 
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And so for in the politicians, 
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Republican and Democrat. 
And you know, why did they do 

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that to profit to make billions 
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patients? 
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system that is more about 
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actually providing care. 
We all agree on that. 

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How does giving them even more 
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How does Completely removing the
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turning the taxpayer into a bill
paying mechanism that directly 

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pays to these cronies. 
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secret single-payer health care,
doesn't get rid of the insurance

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companies. 
It doesn't get rid of the, the 

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big Pharma. 
It doesn't get rid of the of 

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the, the large Healthcare 
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It codified as them as the 
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so that the taxpayer is paying 
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without even seeing the Costs 
going directly to those to those

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people. 
And so, you know, how would that

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fix it? 
And then their next day answer, 

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maybe. 
Well, then maybe that's not the 

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answer. 
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nationalizing health care and 
having a nationalized healthcare

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system and my answer my question
answer or I guess, question / 

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answer to that would be, how 
many veterans have you talked 

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to? 
How many people in, for example,

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the UK which has the national 
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distinctly different from the 
single-payer system in Canada, 

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or Australia or Scandinavia. 
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has government-run, not just 
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government-run health care. 
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So, what were their outcomes 
like I have MS. 

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I have multiple sclerosis and, 
and I am in groups for people 

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that have MS and we talked 
about, you know, Lifestyle 

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Changes. 
And and medications and things 

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to try to slow and stop. 
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of Ms. And there are people that
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across the, the planet. 
The people who live in countries

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that have government-run Health 
Care Systems are constantly 

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lamenting. 
Now, in America, we lament the 

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cost and the fact that we often 
aren't able to get care many of 

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us aren't able to get care 
because we can't afford it. 

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That is a real problem. 
And we need to fix our Health 

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Care system by getting the 
cronies. 

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He's out of it and by and by, 
you know, giving the money in 

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the power back to patients and 
by and by getting rid of these 

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barriers to entry that are 
destroying small providers and 

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making it so that you have fewer
and fewer options to actually 

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get your care. 
We need to get rid of terrible 

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policies like drug protections 
for, you know, big Pharma for 

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drugs that have been around 
forever and we need to get rid 

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of the Cost Plus model that, you
know, incentivizes buying a 

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saline bag for 500 dollars, in 
selling it for Instead of buying

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it for four dollars and selling 
it for five dollars, you know, 

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we need to get rid of all these 
bad policies that have made 

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things. 
So expensive and wasteful in the

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first place. 
There's no argument there. 

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But the reality is, when I hear 
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Complain, they complain about 
the cost when I hear people in, 

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for example, the UK or or, or 
what's another country, that has

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a government-run health care. 
It escapes me at the moment, but

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you know, these countries, some 
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countries where it's, you know, 
government Run Healthcare and 

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government, Managed Health Care.
They lament the fact that they 

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can't even get it at any cost. 
They can't get an MRI maybe 

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every two or three years, they 
get an MRI, even if they have a,

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you know, a very, very fast 
progression of Ms. They can't 

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get the drugs that are, that are
working the best right now, 

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drugs that were able to get over
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They aren't even available there
because the government won't pay

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for them. 
And they can't, they don't have 

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an option to pay out of pocket. 
They just can't have it. 

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So they either have to legally 
go somewhere else to get it or, 

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and hope they don't get in 
trouble, or they just have to 

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use the Lesser options, the 
cheaper options that are 

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available to them, you know, so 
I guess my, my way of addressing

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that is saying, you know, do you
want the cronies in charge or do

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you want the government who have
powered the cronies in charge? 

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Because that's what those are, 
the two different options 

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nationalization and an expansion
of the welfare state are too. 

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Different options that are 
basically putting the people who

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created this mess in charge and 
systemizing that, so that we can

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never get out of it. 
The libertarian proposal is to 

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introduce things like the price 
equilibrium, which is what 

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happens when things aren't being
paid by governments and 

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insurance companies. 
They're being paid by individual

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patients, which means that now, 
the doctor can only charge with 

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the patient can afford and if 
they can't afford it, that 

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doctor don't get paid anything. 
So they have to make their 

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products and services cost. 
What? 

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People can afford and by getting
rid of all that bureaucracy by 

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getting rid of all that red 
tape, by driving out all those 

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thousands of regulators and and 
people running the insurance 

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actuarials and and 
administrators working in their 

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company to make sure that 
they're complying with all the 

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various regulations and rules. 
You're driving down the, the 

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cost of the provision by getting
rid of Cost. 

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Plus. 
You're making it so that they're

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going to look for the most 
cost-effective option. 

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Instead of looking for the most 
expensive option is that they 

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get a bigger piece of it by 
getting rid of the insurance 

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model. 
Model. 

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You're making it so that they 
can tell you right there what it

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costs and they're not having to 
spend, you know, tens and 

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hundreds and thousands and even 
millions of dollars a year just 

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to pay for the cost of 
compliance with the various 

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insurance regulations and hoops 
and hurdles that they make them 

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go through. 
By decentralizing Healthcare. 

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You allow it to become cheaper, 
you allow it to become better. 

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You allow it to become more 
Innovative. 

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You provide for more providers 
to come into the space and you 

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and the only people that don't 
benefit from this are the Big 

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cronies that lose out. 
Well, I'm fine with that 

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arrangement. 
Now, we're constantly told that 

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requiring a license, a driver's 
license to get access to voting 

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is voter suppression and it 
raises the barrier to entry. 

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So fewer people vote. 
However, they don't see that 

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when it comes to healthcare and 
it's not one Lysa. 

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It's not one license. 
You have to get that taken. 

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By the way. 
The DMV is, as bad as everyone 

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says, the FDA is so much worse. 
I read marriage a roo Arts, 

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nightmare of a book. 
I could only read like one 

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chapter. 
Then I'd have two week break 

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because it's so bad. 
So if yeah one license is 

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suppression. 
Thousands of regulations is 

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ultra Healthcare suppression. 
That literally is what we should

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run on anti Healthcare 
suppression because that's 

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that's that's really what it is 
when only Pfizer and moderna and

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a few oligopolies are able to 
compete in this realm. 

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It's also extremely. 
I don't want to say it's a lie, 

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it's rather misleading to say I 
support guaranteed. 

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Well, you're just putting The 
state in charge of it. 

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It's like saying we have 
guaranteed criminal justice and 

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property protection because of 
government police. 

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So, that is an excellent point. 
You can say, Hey, listen, we 

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have a government-run universal 
system of justice. 

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That's free. 
How's that working? 

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It's pretty yeah, exactly. 
So let's say, I am very 

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motivated by black lives matter 
and I see that there is terrible

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Strife between Two people and 
the state is the mechanism to 

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sort of solve this out to stop 
any racism, sexism, hatred 

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xenophobia. 
And while the current criminal 

455
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,300
justice system is terrible, the 
way to do it is to fix the 

456
00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:44,000
state's way of issuing Justice 
to the populace there for a BLM.

457
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,500
Advocate might be a progressive.
Why should they consider 

458
00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:50,700
libertarianism? 
Well, we're, we probably agree 

459
00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,700
with them is in fixing. 
The injustices that are 

460
00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:58,200
happening by the state. 
So, for example, when in a bad 

461
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,900
actor in the state does harm to 
people, they need to be held 

462
00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:05,900
responsible. 
So we need to end qualified 

463
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:08,600
immunity and I go even further, 
not only do we need to end 

464
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,200
qualified immunity for agents of
the state. 

465
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:14,300
We also need to end absolute 
immunity, for politicians, and 

466
00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:16,300
judges and prosecutors. 
Why does no one talked about 

467
00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:17,700
that? 
We talked about the fact that a 

468
00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:21,100
police officer can abuse your 
rights and infringe upon you and

469
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:23,600
not be held accountable. 
What about the judge? 

470
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,100
Yeah, about Kamala Harris, who 
literally intentionally 

471
00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:32,000
withheld, exculpatory evidence 
in at least two capital murder 

472
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,900
cases. 
Why can she not be held 

473
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:37,400
accountable for that? 
Why can Bad actors in these 

474
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,700
Halls of Justice in the criminal
justice system, we focus on the 

475
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:43,200
police and good. 
We should definitely hold Bad 

476
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,900
actors and police departments 
accountable. 

477
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:46,900
If you were I hurt someone 
Keith. 

478
00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:48,900
We would be held accountable. 
They should also be held 

479
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:50,600
accountable. 
What about the prosecutors? 

480
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,200
What about the judges? 
What? 

481
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,300
About the politicians we should 
be doing that too. 

482
00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:58,300
Yes, we need to end no-knock 
raids, which led to the death of

483
00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:00,500
Brianna Taylor and many others. 
Duncan limp. 

484
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:03,400
We need to end red flag laws. 
We need to end. 

485
00:25:03,700 --> 00:25:07,100
We need to end the war on drugs,
which was the justification for 

486
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:09,300
no-knock raids. 
There was no justification for 

487
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,700
breaking into someone's house 
until the cop said. 

488
00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:15,200
Yeah, but if we knock, they can 
flush the drugs, down the 

489
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,700
toilet, which it, which is 
always been an interesting 

490
00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:21,800
argument. 
If we don't knock first, then 

491
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,900
they won't. 
Stop committing the crime. 

492
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:29,200
So that's it. 
So that's. 

493
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,300
So what does that give us the 
right to break into cops homes? 

494
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:34,900
Well, we couldn't have not 
exactly sir. 

495
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,200
That's why I came in and sorry 
that I shot shot. 

496
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,600
Sorry. 
It's wrong for us and you get 

497
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,600
your rights from us. 
Well, then we can't delegate the

498
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,200
right to you. 
Exactly. 

499
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,900
And it's real and it leads to 
the legal fiction, whereby 

500
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:51,100
Brianna Taylor's boyfriend and 
the cop were both justified in 

501
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:54,100
shooting each other. 
So Brianna Taylor's boyfriend 

502
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:57,000
was justified in shooting the 
officer because people broke 

503
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,100
into their home and had they had
no idea who it was and the cops 

504
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:03,400
were Justified or legally 
justified in shooting back 

505
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,000
because they were carrying out a
lawful no-knock warrant any time

506
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,300
the government has created a 
legal fiction, whereby, people 

507
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:11,300
are legally allowed to shoot and
kill each other. 

508
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,600
You have a problem. 
So obviously the answer is 

509
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,000
ending, do knock raids. 
We need to end things like civil

510
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000
asset forfeiture, where the 
government is the biggest 

511
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,600
burglar in this country. 
If you take all Fremont, if you 

512
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,600
take all That private theft. 
All burglary all reported 

513
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,200
private theft civil asset, 
forfeiture government taking 

514
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,000
property and money from people 
who have not been convicted of 

515
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,100
anything dwarfs that private 
burglary. 

516
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,700
We need to end that we need to 
end the militarization of the 

517
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:41,600
police state through programs, 
like the 1033 military surplus 

518
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,700
program. 
We need to end all of this and 

519
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:48,700
more than likely progressives 
agree with us 100% on almost all

520
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:50,600
those things. 
Maybe not the red flag laws, but

521
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,900
if you spend enough time talking
with them about It even if they 

522
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:55,800
support gun control, they'll see
how it could become problematic 

523
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,000
that I can simply pick up the 
phone again. 

524
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,300
Say that guy's a problem. 
Over there. 

525
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:00,000
Go Rita's house. 
You know that? 

526
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,100
That's a problem. 
You're basically swatting. 

527
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,300
It's legalized swatting. 
And so we have many agreements 

528
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:11,700
there. 
Where we disagree is that the 

529
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:16,300
problem is just racism or that 
the problem is just, you know, 

530
00:27:16,308 --> 00:27:19,900
bad officers. 
The problem is the system. 

531
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:25,800
The reason that you have our 
police who are supposed to 

532
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,400
protect our lives. 
The, the abstention purpose. 

533
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,100
The thing that we are told that 
the reason for the police 

534
00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:35,500
existing is to protect and serve
to protect our lives and our 

535
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:39,700
rights and our property, but the
reality is The police largely 

536
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:44,600
exist to enforce victimless 
crime laws and to excel to 

537
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,800
extract revenue from the public.
They pull people over for having

538
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,600
a broken taillight and they fix 
the problem by finding them 

539
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,000
$300, which definitely fixes 
their tail light, actually. 

540
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,400
It robs them of the money. 
They need to fix their tail 

541
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,600
light or they pulled him over 
for not feel wearing a seatbelt.

542
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,500
And they fix that problem by 
giving them a two hundred 

543
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:04,800
dollar. 
Fine or a hundred fifty dollar, 

544
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,700
fine, ruining them financially 
for days or weeks depending on 

545
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:09,700
how poor they are. 
And that's a regressive tax. 

546
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:12,200
By the way, the poorer you are 
the more that hundred fifty 

547
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,400
dollar fine hits you hard. 
If you're a millionaire you get 

548
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,400
to find you just keep driving 
without the seatbelt and I mean 

549
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,600
anything to you. 
But if 150 bucks to a lot of 

550
00:28:18,608 --> 00:28:22,200
people that ruins ruins them for
the month, that that messes them

551
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,800
up financially, for quite some 
time. 

552
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,900
The system is the problem and 
the more laws you create, the 

553
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:31,600
more power and presumption of 
moral good. 

554
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,200
You put in the hands of the 
state the more of these abuses 

555
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,300
happen. 
If I see an abuser and their 

556
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:40,900
Using me and I go, you know what
the problem is. 

557
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,700
I'm not letting you abuse me, 
right? 

558
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,400
I need to give you more money so
that you can educate yourself 

559
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,700
better on the fact that you 
shouldn't be abusing me. 

560
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:54,300
Like there's no, no. 
The problem is that the abuser 

561
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:56,600
has that power in the first 
place and that they're not being

562
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,700
held accountable when they 
commit that abuse. 

563
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,000
So, yes, we believe in holding 
them accountable and we believe 

564
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,400
in ending systemic abuses, which
is what the left hand to also 

565
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,300
agree on or progressives tend to
also agree on. 

566
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,200
But we also recognize that The 
very presumption of that power 

567
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,800
and the Very presumption of 
being able to extort people and 

568
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,400
and coerce them and force them 
into things is what leads to 

569
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,100
those abuses in the first place.
I fear an America where there 

570
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:26,000
are children, who have food 
insecurity. 

571
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,900
Why should I consider 
libertarianism? 

572
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:31,000
Because we to fear in America 
where people have food 

573
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,100
insecurity, which is why we 
think the federal government 

574
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:36,500
should stop paying Farmers to 
grow crops and then not sell 

575
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:40,400
them since the 30s since the 
30s. 

576
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:44,400
I talked to a food security 
expert and we went back and 

577
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,100
forth on this. 
This was this wasn't like 

578
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:49,500
televised or anything. 
This was goes in Rhode Island. 

579
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:50,900
Anyway, I was somewhere and I 
was talking with the food 

580
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:52,600
security expert. 
That's what he called himself 

581
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:56,200
and we were talking and he did a
lot of charitable work and 

582
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,700
stuff. 
And he said, you know, and we 

583
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:00,600
had this conversation. 
He's like, well, Libertarians, 

584
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,200
they don't, they don't care if 
people eat, and I'm like, of 

585
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,800
course, we do. 
That's why we want to end the 

586
00:30:03,808 --> 00:30:07,100
USDA and and he was, mine was 
blown. 

587
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:11,100
He said, but but you Can't do 
that because then there will be 

588
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:16,200
a volatility of pricing. 
I said, let's walk through that.

589
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:21,300
What does allowing Farmers to to
what is not paying Farmers to, 

590
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,800
to not sell their products? 
What will that lead to? 

591
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:26,900
And he said the pricing will 
fluctuate. 

592
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:28,500
I said, which way will it 
fluctuate? 

593
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:33,500
If there's more product? 
What will happen if the same 

594
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:36,400
demand for food exists, which it
will, it's not like people are 

595
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,100
going to suddenly demand more 
food. 

596
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,100
If the demand for superfood 
continues to rise at the same 

597
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:43,300
level of population growth, and 
all that stuff. 

598
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:47,700
And if the supply of food goes 
up, it's basically overnight 

599
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:50,200
because they're already growing 
it and storing it processing it.

600
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,900
They're just not doing anything 
with it. 

601
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:55,400
What happens, what happens if in
a month, the amount of food 

602
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,800
that's available goes up, 30, 40
percent and he said well, I 

603
00:30:59,808 --> 00:31:02,700
guess the price would go down. 
I said, how would that help food

604
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:06,500
security issues, you know, this 
is what happens when people 

605
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:08,800
don't finish working through 
stuff. 

606
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:14,400
They get so focused on trying to
solve the problem, within our 

607
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,300
current Paradigm, that they 
don't look and see how that 

608
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:21,200
Paradigm could be fixed. 
They just look at how more 

609
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,900
Band-Aids could be added. 
So if you can't, if these walls 

610
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,800
are permanent these structures 
and barriers are permanent. 

611
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:30,400
Well, then I have to figure out 
a solution within this if I 

612
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,700
can't. 
And these walls. 

613
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:35,500
And in this case, you know, in 
this case, not paying Farmers to

614
00:31:35,508 --> 00:31:37,500
not produce food. 
Well, then I just got to figure 

615
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,200
out how to work with the zero 
sum of what I have right now. 

616
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,900
Well, no, that doesn't work. 
We've seen how the federal 

617
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:48,100
agricultural policy has led to 
shock. 

618
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:50,500
You know, it's shocking surprise
here. 

619
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:54,400
It has led to centralization of 
farming. 

620
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:57,100
It has led to more and more 
factory farms because they're 

621
00:31:57,100 --> 00:32:00,600
the ones who have the lobbying 
teams to lobby for regulations 

622
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,200
that are Needed them and hurt 
their smaller competitors. 

623
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:07,300
So you have big factory farms 
that are having their less 

624
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,600
efficient model subsidized by 
the US taxpayer. 

625
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:14,300
While smaller Farms are 
basically given pennies to grow 

626
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:19,400
stuff and not sell it. 
That's why you should support it

627
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,100
Libertarians. 
If you want, if you want more 

628
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:24,700
food security because it will 
end factory farming or at least 

629
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,100
I won't say n factory farming. 
It will end the subsidization 

630
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,900
and entrenchment of factory 
farming interests and it will 

631
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:36,300
end the the handing pennies off 
to small farmers in exchange for

632
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:38,300
promising not to provide any 
food to people. 

633
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:45,700
Let's say I fear the inequality 
that exists in a free Society if

634
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:47,600
anyone is able to do what they 
want. 

635
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:52,400
Some people are going to get 
very large amounts of wealth, 

636
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,200
power and attention. 
Others are going to be left 

637
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,400
behind. 
If you look at Amazon, Walmart, 

638
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:02,800
Apple, a few people with tons 
and tons of power which the 

639
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,500
average person does not have, 
the state is a mechanism to 

640
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,400
correct this unhampered 
unregulated terrible dystopian 

641
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,200
nightmare that the free market 
issues us. 

642
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Therefore. 
I am a progressive. 

643
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Why would I ever Consider 
libertarianism. 

644
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:21,900
If it wasn't for the government 
who would stop this, police 

645
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,200
officer from hitting me in the 
head with a billy club. 

646
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,900
The, the, the, when people talk 
about, I usually end up 

647
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:29,200
interrupting them when they're 
saying this. 

648
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,400
I don't wanna interrupt you 
because this is your show but I 

649
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:36,600
so someone will say, you know, 
in libertarianism we'd have 

650
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,800
wealth inequality and we'd have 
a small handful of people that 

651
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,800
are really really wealthy like 
Amazon and Walmart. 

652
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,200
And I go yeah. 
Totally different from what we 

653
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,300
have now, right? 
Yeah, really. 

654
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:47,500
And so, you know, disarm them a 
little bit. 

655
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:52,000
And then say, that inequality 
exists because of the 

656
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,100
enforcement mechanism of the 
state. 

657
00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:59,400
If I remove all of the rungs of 
the economic ladder and I put 

658
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,500
the majority of people in a 
safety net, that they can't get 

659
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:06,000
out of and I make it so that 
only those who are already in 

660
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,300
power or that small handful of 
people down here who have such 

661
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,900
an impressive vertical leap that
they can actually work their way

662
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:14,300
up, you know, without having to 
climb up the ladder, you know, 

663
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:16,800
someone who's an incredible 
Entertainer or an Incredible 

664
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,400
athlete or Do you know, one in a
million economic thinker, who 

665
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,000
could never be stopped? 
Even with the most tyrannical, 

666
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,100
love of impositions, placed on 
them? 

667
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:28,600
Then you're going to have 
massive and growing income, 

668
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,000
inequality, income, inequality, 
continues to grow. 

669
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:34,000
And the reason it continues to 
grow is because those who have 

670
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,500
power are the ones who are 
writing all the regulations and 

671
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:42,800
rules that are basically created
to entrench and grow their 

672
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,300
market share at the expense of 
literally everyone else. 

673
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,400
By removing that in dismantling,
it by decentralizing. 

674
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,400
It you make it where. 
Now there are more people that 

675
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,000
are able to compete. 
It in this sphere, and I'll 

676
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,900
usually tell a story, one of 
many different stories. 

677
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:03,900
One that I often tell is when I,
when I was before covid, and the

678
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,600
pandemic, I was doing a lot of 
door-knocking Tours in 

679
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,300
low-income communities. 
This was before I even got the, 

680
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:10,900
the nomination. 
This is when I was still running

681
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:13,200
for the vice presidential 
nomination for the libertarian 

682
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,500
party. 
And I was and I was doing it as 

683
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:18,400
basically as a proof of concept,
you know, Libertarians tend to 

684
00:35:18,408 --> 00:35:20,200
talk to each other and I'm like,
okay, that's great. 

685
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,000
We can talk to each other. 
I'm going to show you how I'm 

686
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,500
going to spread the message of 
Liberty to, you know, normies to

687
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:26,600
Everyday People. 
And so, I went to housing 

688
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,700
projects, and low-income 
communities, and did door 

689
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:30,500
knocking, tours went through and
talked with them about our 

690
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:32,600
policies. 
And what I found was that, I was

691
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,000
in these communities in North 
Carolina. 

692
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,800
That's where we started. 
And once kind of once covid. 

693
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,400
Hopefully, you know, once things
get back to normal, we plan to 

694
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,200
fully rapidly, expand this out 
to the rest of the country, but 

695
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,800
I went, I knocked on doors. 
And what I found was that in 

696
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,200
these households. 
These are people that own almost

697
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,700
nothing. 
These are people that live 

698
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:54,600
entirely on the state. 
These are people that 

699
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,000
Libertarians are Often told her 
a complete waste of time because

700
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,200
they just want to live off 
government. 

701
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,300
No, they don't. 
Every almost every single 

702
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,600
household. 
I went to regardless of their 

703
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,600
age and this was these 
communities were like 99% black.

704
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,600
Probably more, probably 
effectively 100% black. 

705
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,000
There were a small. 
Smattering of non-black people 

706
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,300
are very end and poor had 
nothing. 

707
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:18,800
Well, in some communities. 
They had something they were 

708
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,900
just lower income but in the 
housing projects, they owned it 

709
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:22,800
essentially, nothing they had 
nothing on paper. 

710
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,500
They all had businesses. 
They called them, you know, side

711
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,100
hustle or, you know, a side 
thing, they were doing or, you 

712
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:32,500
know, a little thing I do on the
side or whatever, but they were 

713
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:34,900
businesses. 
They were Food Service. 

714
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:41,200
Catering DJing event promotion, 
Landscaping handyman work, 

715
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,200
housekeeping. 
Hey or aesthetic. 

716
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,100
Work Hair Braiding waxing, 
Nails, lips, whatever, you know,

717
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:50,900
all these different things that 
they were doing all different 

718
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:55,700
services that people need fixing
Windows roof repair, electrical 

719
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,200
work. 
Plumbing, but they had to keep 

720
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,900
it small. 
Because they couldn't afford the

721
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:04,400
cost of compliance. 
They couldn't afford all those 

722
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,000
occupational Licensing, Laws and
zoning laws and and and minimal 

723
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,100
education laws. 
And and and again, I'm not 

724
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:12,400
talking minimal education to be 
a brain surgeon. 

725
00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:17,800
I'm talking State man today. 
Stan state-mandated education to

726
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:22,900
cook food for money. 
You could cook the food and give

727
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:24,600
it away for free. 
But if you charge anything that 

728
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,400
now you need that. 
Now you need that the 

729
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,100
government's permission and as a
result of this, they could never

730
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:34,400
grow their business because you 
can't mark it, because you could

731
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,000
go to jail or have the police 
come and take everything from 

732
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,100
you. 
So you you do it for this person

733
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:40,700
and this person and you say 
yeah. 

734
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:42,900
Yeah, you can let them know that
I'll do it, but just be careful 

735
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:44,900
who you tell. 
It's the exact opposite of how 

736
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:47,000
to grow a business. 
I've been in business for I've 

737
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,300
owned businesses for 20-20 and 
I'm old 23 years. 

738
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:55,000
Now, almost 23 years. 
Now Dev. 

739
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,100
Number. 
One thing you have to do is 

740
00:37:57,100 --> 00:38:00,100
always be marketing. 
They can't mark it because they 

741
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:03,400
can't afford the tens or 
hundreds of thousands of dollars

742
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:06,600
in compliance costs. 
And so they are stuck in poverty

743
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,400
where they either have to work 
for someone else or just do 

744
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,600
something on the side and live 
off of welfare. 

745
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:14,300
Instead of being able to, I met 
people that should be 

746
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:16,400
millionaires. 
I met a couple people who 

747
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,000
probably should be billionaires,
and I met many more who should 

748
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,300
be able to have a A decent 
modest business that they can 

749
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:26,800
live off of and they can provide
some jobs for, you know, they're

750
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,100
for people in their community 
and they can build a financial 

751
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:31,100
Legacy for their children. 
They're not going to be 

752
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:33,900
multimillionaires or anything, 
but they be self-sufficient, 

753
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:36,600
they'd be self-reliant. 
They don't their own property. 

754
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,400
They'd be able to build 
something for their children. 

755
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,200
Who could then expand to be able
to do that, but they can't 

756
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,400
because of the state imposed 
barriers that they can't afford 

757
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,500
their, the large crony, 
overlords can afford it, but 

758
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:51,300
they can't. 
When you get rid of that. 

759
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:55,400
Equality runs rampant because 
you're now no longer holding 

760
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,200
back. 
The dynamic we're will and 

761
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:03,000
spirit of the individual person.
Excellent answer their say that 

762
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,300
someone who Embraces the 
ideology of conservatism. 

763
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,100
They generally want institutions
and society that are strong that

764
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:15,400
reflect Family Values, 
Community, Mutual Aid, and an 

765
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:23,400
idea of a higher power and 
humans being worthy of Sort of a

766
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,500
general standard of humans, 
being above animals. 

767
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:29,800
And that's my way of saying 
right. 

768
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,100
Well saying the word religious I
feel is sort of saying they have

769
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:38,100
that, it's worthy. 
They have their moral and 

770
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:40,800
religious values and they want 
to see that reflected in their 

771
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,800
society Coretta. 
Thank you. 

772
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,600
I wrote this horribly. 
Why should someone like that 

773
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,200
consider libertarianism? 
You wrote it fine. 

774
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,100
You're doing a great job. 
Keep this is actually great. 

775
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:52,400
I love how your how you're doing
the Back because this is how 

776
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,100
they talk. 
Um, so the answer to that is, 

777
00:39:56,100 --> 00:40:00,400
you know, when someone says, I 
want to see my values reflected 

778
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,200
in my Society, I go or my 
community, I go, okay. 

779
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:07,700
Yeah, no, I get it. 
I could certainly see why you 

780
00:40:07,707 --> 00:40:10,200
would want that and I can see 
why you would want to work, why 

781
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,700
you would want to you know, live
with people that to have that. 

782
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:15,300
And and they'll say well why 
can't I have that, you know 

783
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,600
Nationwide. 
And I'll say because what 

784
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,300
happens when the other side 
wins. 

785
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:27,500
So when you say I'm not content 
with having My community and 

786
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:30,600
Community, doesn't have to be a 
geographically, contiguous 

787
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,400
thing. 
You know, I live in a 

788
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:36,200
subdivision, but I'm not sure. 
I consider every single person 

789
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,300
here my community. 
I have my neighbor's, I had my 

790
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:40,400
people I get along with, I, my 
people, I don't really know that

791
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,900
well, and but I, but I have a 
much greater community of people

792
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:46,000
across the country and across 
the planet. 

793
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:48,000
So however, you define your 
community. 

794
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:51,800
If you're not content with those
in your community, sharing your 

795
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,100
values and you want everyone 
else to I'll also share your 

796
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:58,800
values. 
What you're saying is I want to 

797
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,900
force people into believing what
I believe. 

798
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:05,800
Now, putting aside the fact that
that's not feasible or possible 

799
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:10,300
because there's never been a 
successful a successful attempt 

800
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:11,800
to make everyone believe the 
same thing. 

801
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,300
There have only been massive 
catastrophes and atrocities that

802
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:19,900
have happened in the attempt to 
implement that but it's ever 

803
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:24,700
actually worked or happen, but 
let's say that you could What 

804
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:27,500
happens when enough people who 
disagree with you want to impose

805
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:31,300
their ideas on you? 
You've created the mechanism, 

806
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:35,500
whereby they can do that. 
You've created this system. 

807
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,500
This enforcement arm, that 
allows them to turn it around 

808
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:43,300
and go know you you have to you 
now have to be a secular 

809
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:49,200
humanist who, you know, accepts 
all all sexual. 

810
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:56,500
Weird, I'm looking for sexual 
orientations, and genders and, 

811
00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:58,500
and everything else. 
And things that you that go 

812
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:01,700
against your deeply held moral, 
and religious beliefs, and 

813
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:04,000
tough. 
You have to bake the damn cake. 

814
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,600
You have to, you know, you have 
to be okay with these things. 

815
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,700
You're not allowed to, you know,
say the parts of the Bible that,

816
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,600
you know, that are 
discriminatory towards, you 

817
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,100
know, gender and sexual 
minorities. 

818
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:19,300
You're not allowed to have an 
opinion about, you know, people 

819
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:21,900
of, you know, different beliefs 
or different whatever. 

820
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,700
You're not allowed to have any 
of that because I've now taken 

821
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:28,400
your system and used it against 
you. 

822
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:30,300
And that's actually what we 
have. 

823
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:32,000
This is not a hypothetical. 
Yeah. 

824
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:36,400
In the Western World. 
The Western world's power 

825
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,100
structures. 
Were essentially created by 

826
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:44,200
feudalist under the under the 
well in Continental Europe, 

827
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:48,900
under the auspices of the 
Vatican and then later in the 

828
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:51,900
Anglo World under the auspices 
of the Church of England. 

829
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,700
And so, this is not hypothetical
Keith. 

830
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,400
This is what we have now. 
A structure in a system that was

831
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:04,600
created to enforce and entrench 
a religiously based Divine rule 

832
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,200
of right. 
Monarchies was eventually, you 

833
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:13,100
know, basically repurposed for 
Liberal secular democracies. 

834
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,100
And if you don't like it. 
That's what happened. 

835
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:21,100
It is what happened? 
So what I say to conservatives 

836
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:24,900
is you want to, have you want to
exist in a community and the 

837
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:27,600
society that reflects your 
values that is perfectly 

838
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,800
understandable, that is 
perfectly valid. 

839
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,500
You should be able to have that 
when you try to impose it 

840
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:37,100
outside of your community in 
your society when you try to 

841
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:39,800
collectivize and I like using 
terms, like collectivize to 

842
00:43:39,808 --> 00:43:41,500
conservatives because they don't
like the idea that they're 

843
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:44,300
collectivist when you try to 
collectivize that out to 

844
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:46,600
everyone else. 
You're no longer say. 

845
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:50,100
I want Society. 
I want my Society to reflect My 

846
00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:52,800
Views. 
You're saying, I want everyone's

847
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,200
Society, everyone's Community to
reflect My Views. 

848
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,400
And historically, we know that 
that leads to bad things. 

849
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,700
It does not lead to everyone, 
adapting your views. 

850
00:44:03,700 --> 00:44:06,600
It leads to harm, it leads to 
malice. 

851
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,500
It leads to oppositional, you 
know, and opposition and 

852
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:12,900
confrontation. 
It leads to conflict and 

853
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:16,600
eventually it leads to the 
system you wanted to have to 

854
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:19,300
Control everyone else being 
turned around and used to 

855
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:23,500
control you exactly all the 
power. 

856
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:27,800
You give George Bush when he had
the ninety percent approval 

857
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,900
rating, got to the evil, Barack 
Obama, and then all the power 

858
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:34,600
they gave him went to evil 
orange man. 

859
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,500
And now it's to about the 
dementia patient as it until 

860
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:43,700
Kamala takes over. 
I see the intelligence agencies 

861
00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:46,600
and the military keeping the 
country safe. 

862
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:52,300
The terrorists who want nothing 
more than to kill us until we 

863
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:54,600
give in to them and embrace 
Islam. 

864
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:56,800
Why should I consider 
libertarianism? 

865
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:00,500
So this is actually the question
that was asked me that made me 

866
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:03,400
go from being a neocon to 
questioning what I even 

867
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,200
believed. 
And and against the backdrop of 

868
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,700
watching everything, play out 
the way that Libertarians and 

869
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:12,400
other anti-war and anti neocon. 
People said it would but this 

870
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,500
question led to it. 
It's a multi-part question. 

871
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,700
If the government, if the 
intelligence agencies in the 

872
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:24,200
military are so concerned with 
fighting terrorism. 

873
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,100
Why do they keep getting caught 
creating an arming and funding 

874
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:34,000
and training terror groups if 
they care about our safety, why 

875
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,700
are we being robbed to pay for 
the people who want us dead? 

876
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:43,900
To be taught, how to kill us. 
And if the people who are 

877
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:50,300
Trusted with that, keeping with 
keeping us safe, are using the 

878
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:53,100
power in the money that we're 
giving them to do that. 

879
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:56,100
Then why would we trust them to 
keep us safe? 

880
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:58,900
And I hated that. 
Damn question, man, cuz when I 

881
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:02,900
heard it, I'm like my immediate 
response was well, you just, you

882
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:04,800
know, want the terrorists, a 
winner, you, I mean it was what 

883
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,700
I would always say, you know, 
you just don't you don't care 

884
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:09,800
about American but but that 
question I couldn't default to 

885
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,900
that because It sounded like, 
the intelligence agencies wanted

886
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:17,900
the terrorists to win. 
It sounded like the military, 

887
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:20,400
didn't care about our safety, or
not the militant, but the 

888
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,300
military brass, not the 
veterans, but the actual the 

889
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:26,200
people in charge of the militant
that the military-industrial 

890
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,400
complex didn't care and that led
to a lot of other questions. 

891
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,900
If Mill, if the military 
industrial complex complex 

892
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:38,100
exists to keep us safe. 
Why isn't it doing it? 

893
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:42,100
Why is it just making themselves
rich? 

894
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,300
Why is it just building this? 
This, you know, Global Empire 

895
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:50,800
that is making us less safe. 
Why do more and more people hate

896
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,400
us even though we didn't do it, 
you know, why is it leading to 

897
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,100
this? 
And it's either because of 

898
00:46:56,100 --> 00:47:00,700
intentional malice or because of
incompetence, either way. 

899
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,100
They don't work. 
They aren't keeping us safe, 

900
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:07,900
whether they mean to or not. 
They're not keeping us safe. 

901
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:10,400
They're making us less safe. 
They're making everyone less 

902
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,600
safe there, and causing 
irreparable and immeasurable 

903
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,700
damage around the around the 
world in doing so. 

904
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,200
And so that was actually the 
original thing that, you know, 

905
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,900
disabuse me of being any kind of
conservative really being a 

906
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:25,200
neocon and kind of started me on
the path to going from being 

907
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,500
more of a Paleo 
constitutionalist, you know, 

908
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:30,900
eventually being the, you know, 
final form Super Saiyan 

909
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:35,200
libertarian that Today, so it's 
not only people like Trevor 

910
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,100
Aaronson, who wrote the terror 
factory, or the New York Times 

911
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:41,600
saying, 14 out of the last 22, 
terrorist plots have been 

912
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,800
started by the FBI in their 
informants, but you even have 

913
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,100
like a blatant examples, like 
taking Al-Qaeda side in Yemen, 

914
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:54,300
taking Al-Qaeda side in Libya, 
LIF G, the Libyan Islamic 

915
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:58,000
fighting group against Gaddafi. 
And then, most obviously, taking

916
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,900
the side of Al Qaeda. 
Jabhat al-nusra to fight Assad 

917
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:03,800
in Syria. 
You where Joe Biden says it at 

918
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,500
Harvard in front of people that 
are like, yeah, it was rough. 

919
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:09,200
There weren't any Thomas 
Jefferson's or James Madison. 

920
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,300
So we ended up siding with, you 
know, our allies who are sighted

921
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:15,400
with, you know, the guys hide 
up. 

922
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:19,500
I'm a nozzle here. 
He's guys in Syria and then it 

923
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:23,000
also gave Al Qaeda Iraq after 
the u.s. 

924
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,800
Overthrew Saddam. 
They also rejected the talibans 

925
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,500
offer to hand over Bin Laden and
his co-conspirators. 

926
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:33,800
Which Bush said was Done to show
their Defiance to justify an 

927
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,600
invasion that was actually 
planned on September 4th. 

928
00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:41,400
So I appreciate you giving them 
sort of wiggle room as well. 

929
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,600
We don't know what that maybe 
they have bad intentions. 

930
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,300
Maybe maybe they're just idiots.
You know, like, I will always, 

931
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:50,700
you know, what is it handling? 
The razor? 

932
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:54,800
I think that, you know, anything
that can be attributed to, you 

933
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,800
know, instead of looking to 
attribute it to malice, anything

934
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,200
that could potentially be 
attributed to incompetence, 

935
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,800
should probably be done. 
So, but I Tend to think it's 

936
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,100
malice. 
I tend to think it's, it's 

937
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,000
probably a combination of malice
and incompetence. 

938
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,100
But Keith you mentioned, you 
mentioned Yemen. 

939
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,400
The US government is basically 
sponsoring a genocide in Yemen. 

940
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,800
And the genocide is being 
carried out by the Saudi 

941
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,700
government. 
And as you said, Al Qaeda. 

942
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:28,500
Now, when we get caught up in 
this discussion about, you know,

943
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,900
the, the central, you know, 
these intelligence agencies and 

944
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:34,500
the military industrial complex,
arming and training, and 

945
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:36,600
fighting and allying with 
terrorist groups. 

946
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,100
We get caught up in the, in the 
brass tacks of it. 

947
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:41,400
Well, that's not going to work. 
And doesn't that make things 

948
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,500
worse. 
It's treason. 

949
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:51,600
Yeah, if you and I said, hey, 
let's give 12 cents to Al-Qaeda.

950
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,300
We'd go to jail, probably for a 
long time because it's a terror 

951
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,700
group and they're trying to kill
us. 

952
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,500
But when the US government 
publicly gives hundreds of 

953
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:09,000
millions of dollars worth of 
money and training and weapons, 

954
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,700
and, and air support, and all 
this other stuff. 

955
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,400
The million measured in the 
millions and billions. 

956
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,900
We talked about it in policy 
terms. 

957
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,600
This is treason. 
It's not just war crimes. 

958
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,800
It's not just, you know, 
terrible policy. 

959
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,200
It's not just the the biggest 
single recruitment tool for 

960
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,000
these Terror groups, people 
joining these Terror groups 

961
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,900
because they're the only ones 
trying to fight back against, 

962
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,500
you know, the global US military
industrial complex Campaign Of 

963
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:41,600
Terror against Eric their 
entire. 

964
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:45,100
Region in the in the world. 
It's also treason. 

965
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:52,500
They are giving material and 
comfort and Aid to the enemy to 

966
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:56,000
declared and sworn enemies of 
the United States. 

967
00:50:56,300 --> 00:51:00,300
And it's just incredible to 
think of that and there's 

968
00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:02,800
nothing that can be done because
they would be the ones to do 

969
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,900
something about it. 
Right? 

970
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:07,900
So here, so, you know, that's 
that, all speaks to when people 

971
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:09,500
say Well, they're keeping us 
safe. 

972
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,400
Not only, are they not keeping 
us safe. 

973
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:13,800
They are. 
Engaging in regular public 

974
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,500
treason against us to make us 
less safe. 

975
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:19,500
So they are the last people that
I would trust to keep us safe. 

976
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:25,100
On Note reason number six, 
written in 1870 Lysander Spooner

977
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:29,700
says it, purports at most to be 
only a contract between persons 

978
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:34,100
living 80 years ago, only a 
small portion even of the people

979
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:37,200
than existing were consulted on 
the subject or asked or 

980
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,900
permitted to express either 
their consent or dissent in any 

981
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:44,200
formal. 
Mater and the Constitution so 

982
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,000
far as it was their contract, it
died with them. 

983
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,900
What is he talking about here? 
What are the most important 

984
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:52,600
contributions of Lysander 
Spooner? 

985
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,400
He is talking about he is using 
the equal English. 

986
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:02,400
Common law structure to argue 
against the legitimacy of 

987
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,500
really, of all governments, but 
specifically the constitutional 

988
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:09,000
government. 
So the theory of why government 

989
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,400
is just in in an arc Lauren, you
know, Democratic Republic that 

990
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,100
we have basically is, well, it 
has the consent of the governed.

991
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,200
That's what makes it just like 
if you really try to drill down 

992
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,500
into the basics of why we should
even tolerate people taking from

993
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:28,500
us against our will and telling 
us how to live. 

994
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:31,500
It's well, you know, once you 
get past the pageantry, and the 

995
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:35,800
badges, and the metals, and the,
you know, the marble buildings 

996
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,400
and the, you know, the the, the,
the grand writings on parchment,

997
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,000
and all this stuff and really 
Drill down to why we should take

998
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,300
any of this seriously as being 
anything other than just 

999
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:49,000
organized crime. 
We are told well it's because 

1000
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:53,100
they have the consent of the 
governed, they have our consent 

1001
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:56,200
and he's arguing they never had 
our consent. 

1002
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,700
Everyone who's watching this and
I can't see it. 

1003
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,900
I can only see if Keith does it 
raise your hand? 

1004
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:03,700
If it's some point, you were 
asked, if you were okay with the

1005
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:06,400
Constitutional system of 
government or whether you wanted

1006
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,900
to opt out, my memory might be 
fading. 

1007
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:12,000
But I'm gonna say no since it's 
See you. 

1008
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,600
And I. 
Yes and and I doubt anyone else 

1009
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,000
did either unless you unless you
actually and even for those who 

1010
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,300
because I've had people say, 
well, I swore to uphold and 

1011
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:22,100
protect and defend the 
Constitution when I joined the 

1012
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:23,700
military or when I ran for 
office, I go. 

1013
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:25,600
Okay. 
Did they ever give you a chance 

1014
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,300
to opt out of it? 
And I don't mean to opt out of 

1015
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:30,700
swearing in to protect and 
uphold it, but opting out of 

1016
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:35,800
living under its rule. 
If the answer is no, which it 

1017
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,700
is, you don't they never got 
your consent? 

1018
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:40,800
What he was talking about is 
when the Constitution was 

1019
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,100
founded, it only got the consent
of a of a majority of those who 

1020
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:50,400
were consulted, the people there
did not the average person in 

1021
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,000
the in, what is now the us or 
what was considered the u.s. 

1022
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,400
Back then or the continent. 
The former colonies were never 

1023
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:02,300
given a chance to opt out. 
They were never allowed to do 

1024
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:05,200
that at best. 
They were Allowed to elect 

1025
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:10,500
politicians who were then able 
to decide whether or not they 

1026
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:13,500
wanted to ratify the thing, but 
that's different from being able

1027
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:15,700
to opt out from all of it. 
And the reality is back, then 

1028
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:18,600
only white landowning males, 
were even able to vote, but even

1029
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,000
if everyone was able to vote, 
even if every single person 

1030
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,100
including the slaves, were all 
allowed to vote on whether or 

1031
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:28,100
not they wanted to have it only 
those who voted for. 

1032
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:31,100
It would have been able to say 
that they had their consent, 

1033
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:33,400
anyone who voted against it. 
It was forced into it now. 

1034
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:34,900
Let's go even further. 
Keith. 

1035
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:39,400
Let's say that 100% of every 
single human being in the 

1036
00:54:39,408 --> 00:54:42,500
colonies, including the natives 
voted in favor of the 

1037
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:44,600
ratification of the 
Constitution. 

1038
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,900
All of them. 
Every single one. 

1039
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:49,900
There wasn't a single dissenter.
Everyone read this document, 

1040
00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:52,400
when my God, that's the best 
thing I've ever seen. 

1041
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:53,500
Where do I vote? 
Yes. 

1042
00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:54,300
Yes. 
Yes. 

1043
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,800
Okay. 
They're all dead. 

1044
00:54:57,500 --> 00:55:01,900
Their children are all dead. 
Their grandchildren are all 

1045
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:03,400
dead. 
They're great. 

1046
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,500
Korean children, should all be 
dead. 

1047
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:08,900
We are many, many, many 
generations removed from that, 

1048
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:10,700
from the people. 
Who, as we know, the vast 

1049
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:12,200
majority were never even 
consulted. 

1050
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,600
But even if every single one of 
them had been consulted and in 

1051
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,500
their totally informed on 
coerced State. 

1052
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:21,500
They said, yes, I want this. 
It still wouldn't speak to you 

1053
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:24,500
and me, we did not consent to 
this system. 

1054
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,500
And if anyone other than 
Government tried to tell you 

1055
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:32,100
that you had to live under an 
agreement by them, by virtue of 

1056
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,800
the fact that you were born. 
Within their presumed 

1057
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,500
jurisdiction, they would go to 
jail for racketeering and 

1058
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:41,900
extortion, and threats of 
violence, and you know, and a 

1059
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:45,700
Ponzi scheme and a myriad of 
other things because that's 

1060
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:48,600
blatantly false using their own 
legal framework. 

1061
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,800
It is false to say that anyone 
has consented to this. 

1062
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,700
We were never given an option 
consent, only exist. 

1063
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:58,100
If you are allowed to say no, 
you know, we often say the 

1064
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:01,400
difference, between working for 
someone and slavery, is having 

1065
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,500
the option to say, I don't want 
to do. 

1066
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,100
Is the difference between 
consensual sex and rape is the 

1067
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:10,700
is being is saying, I don't want
to do this, the difference 

1068
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:15,100
between paying someone and, and 
being robbed by someone is the 

1069
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:17,400
difference or giving to someone 
or being robbed by someone, is 

1070
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,900
that is the difference, whether 
or not you are allowed to say, I

1071
00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:23,900
don't want to give this to you. 
If you're not being told that 

1072
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:29,000
you have an option to opt-out, 
not leave, not leave, but stay 

1073
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,200
where you are and opt out and 
live as you see fit harming, no 

1074
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,100
one. 
Else. 

1075
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:38,100
Then you did not consent and 
there is no there is no consent 

1076
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:40,200
of the governed when an opt-out 
isn't given. 

1077
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,800
Exactly Frederic bastiat said if
every person has the right to 

1078
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,100
defend even by force his person,
his Liberty and his property 

1079
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:51,000
then it follows that a group of 
men have the right to organize 

1080
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,400
and support a common force to 
protect these rights constantly.

1081
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,700
Thus since an individual cannot 
lawfully use Force against the 

1082
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:01,900
person, Liberty, or property of 
another individual, then the 

1083
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:05,400
common force for the Some reason
cannot lawfully be used to 

1084
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,100
destroy the person, Liberty or 
property of individual groups. 

1085
00:57:09,100 --> 00:57:13,200
So if you have a security Force,
make sure you've only delegated 

1086
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,200
rights to them. 
That you yourself have. 

1087
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:16,800
That's what I love about 
bastiat. 

1088
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,400
What is your favorite thing 
about Frederic bastiat? 

1089
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,400
And his book, The Law written 
in, what 1850 it was, it was 

1090
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,700
published in 1850. 
It Was Written sometime around 

1091
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:33,000
the 1840, the French Revolution.
So it was, it was believed that 

1092
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,100
it was written. 
In between like 1845 and 1848. 

1093
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,000
I love Basquiat because I love 
the law because it's it. 

1094
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,900
Can you just show them how thin 
that book is? 

1095
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:45,800
It's such an easy read, you can 
read it like it's like a you can

1096
00:57:45,808 --> 00:57:48,100
read it on the bathroom. 
Your legs might be a little a 

1097
00:57:48,100 --> 00:57:50,900
little numb when you get off the
toilet, but I think this is the 

1098
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:53,100
new edition with Walter Williams
has forward. 

1099
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:55,400
So it's thinner than this. 
Yeah, it's thinner than that. 

1100
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,900
Just the basic without usually. 
It has at least one or two 

1101
00:57:58,900 --> 00:58:01,800
forwards to which, to give it a 
little bit of something to it 

1102
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,700
because it's like a it's a such 
an He read, it's such a quick 

1103
00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:07,000
and easy read. 
And you know, one of my other 

1104
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,400
favorite quotes from it and I 
always mess it up is the 

1105
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:15,000
delusion of the day or this is 
the delusion of the day, the 

1106
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,500
idea of enriching all classes at
the expense of one. 

1107
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:22,000
Another like you're basically 
you're grouping people up or 

1108
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,100
making a fight each other and 
then you're convincing each one 

1109
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:26,800
that you're going to rob 
everyone else to give them 

1110
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,200
something when reality is you're
just robbing everyone and 

1111
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,700
skimming from some of the top, 
what I like about the quote that

1112
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:33,500
you said, is it really speaks 
to? 

1113
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:34,900
To the core of what we talked 
about. 

1114
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,500
John Stossel did this once to a 
Paul to a congressman or a 

1115
00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:41,800
senator? 
He said do I have the right to 

1116
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,400
to do you? 
Do you have the right to rob? 

1117
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,500
Me and he said, no. 
And he said, Do you and I have 

1118
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:54,300
the right to go and Rob someone 
and he said no and I said and he

1119
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:56,900
said, do you and me in like 
five? 

1120
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:57,900
Other people have the right to 
go? 

1121
00:58:57,900 --> 00:58:59,600
And Rob said, he went into the 
sea. 

1122
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,100
Said, why do you as a 
politician? 

1123
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,800
Have the right to take from me? 
And he said well because the 

1124
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,300
people have bestowed, the power 
to me and he said, so then I 

1125
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:15,200
don't have the right to rob you,
but I have the right to empower 

1126
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,900
someone else to rob you and he 
said, well, you know, No, the 

1127
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:21,400
our system is well alive, and 
we'd have Anarchy with that. 

1128
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,500
If you don't have the right to 
do something, then you don't 

1129
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:28,800
have the right to do it and you 
sure as hell, don't have the 

1130
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:29,900
right to tell someone else to do
it. 

1131
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,800
Imagine if it were legal to hire
a hit man. 

1132
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:35,500
Well, you didn't kill him. 
You just bestowed that right 

1133
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,600
onto someone else. 
That's our social contract, 

1134
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,700
Keith. 
That's essentially what we have 

1135
00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:42,000
that is the justification of 
government. 

1136
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,300
Again, I am more than happy to 
work with menorca's. 

1137
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:47,800
Constitutionalist, people of all
political stripes on working to 

1138
00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:51,700
dismantle authoritarianism, and 
to, you know, and to put power 

1139
00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:54,700
back in the hands of the people.
So I this is not a hill. 

1140
00:59:54,700 --> 00:59:57,900
I wish to die on in terms of, 
you know, libertarian circles. 

1141
00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:00,700
There are many some of my some 
of the greatest activists that 

1142
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:03,500
are in our party and our 
movement arm in Turkish. 

1143
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,900
So I got one Burger who I'm 
Jacob hornberger, I mean so 

1144
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:10,500
perfect example, when I was 
knocking on doors and housing 

1145
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:12,200
projects, guess who was right 
next to me? 

1146
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:14,300
Jacob Warren Burger. 
Yeah. 

1147
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,300
He was with that. 
He was there with me and two of 

1148
01:00:16,300 --> 01:00:19,500
the times that we did it so and 
they're in Justin Amash is an 

1149
01:00:19,508 --> 01:00:22,100
incredible Mentor kiss. 
There are many incredible Mentor

1150
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:23,800
kiss. 
In this party and in this 

1151
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,700
movement and I certainly don't 
want to disparage them or 

1152
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:28,700
anything like that. 
But let's be very clear about 

1153
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:31,300
this. 
If you don't have the right to 

1154
01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:34,200
Rob someone, if you don't have 
the right to impose your will on

1155
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,900
someone else, then you are then 
you do not have the right to 

1156
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,700
empower someone else or to you 
can't delegate something, you 

1157
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:44,900
don't have. 
So you can't delegate theft 

1158
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:49,400
extortion, kidnapping, murder. 
You can't delegate these things 

1159
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:52,700
to a different group and it's a 
to someone else. 

1160
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:58,500
To some other group. 
Any manifestation of government 

1161
01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:02,900
has to have some level of 
coercion and theft and control 

1162
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,000
or else. 
It's not a government. 

1163
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,500
It's a voluntary community group
like it's not or at least it's 

1164
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:08,200
not a state. 
It might be a form of 

1165
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,200
government, but it's certainly 
not a state. 

1166
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,800
A state has a presumption that 
this is our set of standards and

1167
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,300
you have to comply with them and
it doesn't matter if you like it

1168
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:18,300
or not. 
You simply have to the most that

1169
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:21,400
you can do is participate in 
some electoral system, we create

1170
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,600
for you to put the people in 
charge to decide who controls 

1171
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,200
those levers. 
But you can't actually dismantle

1172
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,900
the levers because that's 
treason. 

1173
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:33,700
Okay, so which is why, which is 
why Lysander Spooner is book, is

1174
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:37,800
called No treason because if 
there's no moral justification 

1175
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,600
for the thing, then there is no 
treason to it. 

1176
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:43,100
There is simply the refusal to 
comply with it. 

1177
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:46,600
Final question. 
Mr. Cohen, thank you so much for

1178
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,600
being generous with your time 
quote book. 

1179
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:52,900
The book How to Win Friends and 
Influence People, isn't it? 

1180
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:55,000
Amazing? 
All these books are so old but 

1181
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,600
they have such amount of wisdom.
You have to bring 10times to 

1182
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,700
understand half of it. 
Yeah, consists of four parts, 

1183
01:02:01,900 --> 01:02:04,900
fundamental techniques, in 
handling people ways to make 

1184
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:08,800
people, like you how to win 
people to your way of thinking, 

1185
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:12,600
and how to change people without
giving offence. 

1186
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,300
What is the most important 
lesson you? 

1187
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,700
Learned or lessons from Dale, 
Carnegie in his book, How to 

1188
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:19,500
Win, Friends and Influence 
People. 

1189
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:22,600
The number one thing I learned 
from Dale Carnegie and really 

1190
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:27,200
from it just in studying the 
best ways and to be clear when I

1191
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,600
was reading these things and 
learning these things. 

1192
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,200
It was with sales in mind. 
It was not with politics, in 

1193
01:02:32,207 --> 01:02:34,600
mind. 
It was with my business in mind,

1194
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,500
how to grow my business, how to 
be able to cold call a business 

1195
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:42,000
owner and in a three or four 
minute period, have them go from

1196
01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:44,200
trying to figure out how to get 
me off the phone. 

1197
01:02:44,300 --> 01:02:47,300
Phone and try to figure out how 
I even got their number to, you 

1198
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:50,100
know, telling me about their 
company and figuring out, which 

1199
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:52,100
of my packages is going to work 
best for them. 

1200
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:54,800
And you know, what, how we can 
start, you know, it could put 

1201
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,500
down a down payment and start 
the first consultation or 

1202
01:02:57,500 --> 01:03:00,700
whatever and and so that's where
my mind was in it. 

1203
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,500
But what I learned the most 
powerful thing that I learned 

1204
01:03:03,500 --> 01:03:09,700
from all of that is that no one 
cares what, you know, until they

1205
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:12,200
know that you care. 
Huh? 

1206
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,000
No one. 
Give us a crap about your 

1207
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:22,200
political principles or beliefs,
or your you're the moral 

1208
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:24,600
philosophical. 
Underpinning of what? 

1209
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:26,900
No one cares. 
And for that matter. 

1210
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:28,800
No one cares about your product 
or your service or anything 

1211
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,500
else. 
If they don't know that you 

1212
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:37,000
actually are care about or are 
concerned with their situation 

1213
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:42,000
and how to make it better. 
And so, all of my messaging and 

1214
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,800
the messaging that I've been 
going around the chi, just got 

1215
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,600
back from See, I'm going to be 
in Miami next week, and I'm 

1216
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,000
going to be pretty much every 
week. 

1217
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,400
I'm going to be in a different 
place. 

1218
01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:54,100
Pretty much through until 
November October November and 

1219
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:58,800
I'm going around the country 
largely to rally the troops to 

1220
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,800
help identify good candidates 
and to help, you know, build the

1221
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,800
resources and support for them 
to run for the various offices. 

1222
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,300
They're running for. 
But the number one thing I want 

1223
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:12,400
to do and that my number one 
goal is to teach Libertarians 

1224
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,300
how to message are. 
Leafs how to message our beliefs

1225
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:19,200
in a way that connects with 
everyday Americans. 

1226
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,700
And the way you do that is by 
beating them where they are in 

1227
01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:26,400
their spaces and from their 
precepts, connecting with what 

1228
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,700
they care about by listening to 
them. 

1229
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:32,900
Reflecting and empathizing that 
you understand what they're 

1230
01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:37,000
going through and then and then 
there you can show them how we 

1231
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,000
got here and take them on the 
journey for how our Common 

1232
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,200
Sense. 
Libertarian ideas are the fixed 

1233
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,100
to their problems. 
We are not consequentialists, 

1234
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:50,500
but we can use a consequential 
argumentation to be able to 

1235
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:53,400
bring people over to our side 
because if I show up to someone 

1236
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,000
who tells me that they're 
worried about, you know, crime 

1237
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,600
or they're worried about health 
care or they're worried about 

1238
01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:00,800
Ocean and I start talking about 
self ownership. 

1239
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,900
They aren't they, it's not even 
going to connect with them, that

1240
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:06,200
they're not going to match. 
They're not going to care about 

1241
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,800
it. 
What they care about is, how can

1242
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,100
I afford? 
You know, an emergency room 

1243
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:13,000
visit without a destroying me 
financially. 

1244
01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:14,400
How can my kids get a good 
education? 

1245
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,900
How can I the questions? 
You were asking me today? 

1246
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:20,500
How can you know, how can, you 
know, my kids grow up in a 

1247
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:22,800
society that, you know, treats 
them, you know, with respect. 

1248
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,800
How can I keep my kids out of 
prison? 

1249
01:05:25,900 --> 01:05:27,300
How can I be able to grow my 
business? 

1250
01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:30,600
How can, how can we get rid of? 
Stupid, lockdowns, how can we 

1251
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,400
end gun control so that I can 
defend myself and my family's. 

1252
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,400
As I see fit. 
These are all great questions. 

1253
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,500
We have the best answers to 
them. 

1254
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:38,700
I love that. 
You asked me questions. 

1255
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:42,800
That progressives would ask and 
conservatives would ask because 

1256
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:47,800
the reality, is we have better 
answers for the left than 

1257
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,100
Democrats. 
Have we have better answers for 

1258
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:53,400
the right than Republicans, have
we have better answers for 

1259
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,400
everyone than anyone else has. 
So, there's no need to argue 

1260
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,600
with them. 
There's no need to To get into 

1261
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,100
some, you know, into deep 
philosophical underpinnings. 

1262
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,500
At first. 
All we have to do is tell them 

1263
01:06:05,500 --> 01:06:08,900
how our ideas work and we're 
going to win over the vast 

1264
01:06:08,900 --> 01:06:12,100
majority of them. 
If and if you are already a 

1265
01:06:12,100 --> 01:06:14,600
Libertarian, I don't have to you
know, explain to you that 

1266
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,900
libertarianism how it works. 
Go read How to Win Friends and 

1267
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:20,400
Influence People. 
Hmm. 

1268
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,800
That is so much more important 
at this point. 

1269
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,900
Then you getting even more deep 
into the finer underpinnings of 

1270
01:06:26,900 --> 01:06:27,700
libertarian. 
Thought. 

1271
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:31,200
They're certainly time for that.
I'm We not just discouraging you

1272
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:34,900
from reading more about are your
beliefs and and and finer 

1273
01:06:34,900 --> 01:06:35,800
tuning. 
Your beliefs. 

1274
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:40,200
It is much more important that 
you be able to share your 

1275
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,300
beliefs in a way that connects 
with the other 95% of people who

1276
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:47,800
don't think the way we do and 
that is so much more crucial. 

1277
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,500
So that that would be my final 
exhortation to you is GoGo read 

1278
01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:56,500
about how to actually be able to
connect with everyday people and

1279
01:06:56,500 --> 01:06:57,800
what you're probably going to 
find. 

1280
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,400
Is that the way you Connect with
everyday people about other 

1281
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,000
stuff. 
That's just how you connect with

1282
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,300
them on about libertarianism to.
So that that would be my take 

1283
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:07,600
away from all this if you got 
nothing else from any of this, 

1284
01:07:07,700 --> 01:07:10,200
learn how to be able to share 
our ideas in a way that connects

1285
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,900
with everyday people. 
That's how we win. 

1286
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,100
The guest is fight Cohen, mr. 
Cohen. 

1287
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:16,000
Thank you for joining me on 
Keith Knight. 

1288
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,600
Don't try it on anyone. 
Thank you Keith.