1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,480 Just. To follow up, you said Iran was 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,280 behind the attack. What does that mean? 3 00:00:04,520 --> 00:00:08,920 Have you seen evidence of financing or directing anything 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,400 specific to this attack, not just generally, but 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,200 specifically? So maybe I need to clarify 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,239 further from what Lita had mentioned. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,120 We know that Iran funds these groups like Kitab Hezbollah. 8 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,640 We know that these IRGC backed militias are the ones 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,520 responsible for attacks on our troops in Iraq and Syria. 10 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,080 Beyond that we're we're doing an intelligence assessments we 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,120 don't have. I don't. 12 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,360 I can't give you today that, this. 13 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,280 Attack Thinking it to Iran. We just know that Iran funds 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,720 these groups like Kitab, Hezbollah and other groups that 15 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,720 have attacked our forces. But I don't have more to share 16 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:46,560 on as a general matter, yes. There was an incident in 1983 17 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,840 Beirut barracks bombings, when according to this source here, I 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,400 believe there were 241 U.S. military personnel killed in 19 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,280 this. What can you tell us about this 20 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,200 and what happened? Did we have to declare war on 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,840 Lebanon after this happened? How were we able to get out of 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,600 it without being Neville Chamberlain appeasers who just 23 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,600 want to give the world away? Yeah, great question. 24 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,040 Yes, you're right. It was 241 American Marines were 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,920 killed. Along with I think it was 37 26 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,560 French soldiers also were killed. 27 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,640 They were killed in their sleep by the suicide truck bomb, 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,040 crashed through the front of their barracks and detonated by, 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,200 I guess what you could call, like a proto, Hezbollah. 30 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,760 It wasn't exactly Hezbollah or the Amal militia. 31 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,840 I'm told it was, you know, some sort of unnamed group of Shiites 32 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,440 who did it, but along the lines of, you know, what became 33 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,760 Hezbollah a couple of years or maybe the next year after that, 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,960 84. But, you know, first of all, 35 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:49,600 this is important. I guess it's not absolute proven 36 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,360 fact, but I think it's a very credibly claimed fact. 37 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:58,200 Viktor Ostrovsky, the former Mossad spy, wrote in his book By 38 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,760 way of Deception that the Israelis had an informant that 39 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,000 warned them that there was a big Mercedes truck that was being 40 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,000 packed full of explosives, and that the Israelis immediately 41 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,760 knew that there were only a couple of targets that would 42 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,120 possibly require that. And one of the obvious ones 43 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,560 would be the American Marine barracks out there at forgot if 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,680 it was a hotel or wherever they had stationed up there. 45 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:29,200 And then the decision was made to not warn the Americans and to 46 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,560 not tell them. And in fact, let me, let me read 47 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:32,280 you. I have the quote here. 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,520 Dude, no, we're not there to protect Americans. 49 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:39,680 They're a big country. That was what he was told. 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:45,560 Why not to warn the Americans CIA that's their job, not us to 51 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,120 warn them. And then after it happened, 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,080 quote hey, they wanted to stick their nose into this Lebanon 53 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,480 thing. Let them pay the price. 54 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:58,080 Is this from his book by way of deception? 55 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,120 Right. Which is the slogan of Mossad. 56 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,280 So that's you know how the what the Israelis think of us, refuse 57 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,280 to warn us when a truck bomb is coming to kill hundreds of our 58 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,800 guys and give a damn about that. And then? 59 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,280 And then? So what is Reagan's response to 60 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,680 this? Well, so here's the thing about 61 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:22,080 it. A better story even than what 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,800 Ostrovsky adds here is about our hero Ron Paul. 63 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,360 And you can read this Keith in his great book A Foreign Policy 64 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,680 of Freedom, which is collection of his foreign policy speeches. 65 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,120 And the speeches go, Mr. Reagan, don't listen to the Hawks, 66 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,120 whatever you do. Oh by the way, people know Ron 67 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,480 Paul went to Congress in 97, but he also went in like 77 or 68 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:50,280 somewhere around there and and stayed in Congress until he ran 69 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:56,960 and then lost for Senate. And I think 84, possibly 88. 70 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,840 No, no, no, because 88 he ran as a libertarian, so he was in 84, 71 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,440 he ran for Senate in Texas and lost to Phil Graham in the 72 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,480 primary. Phil Graham. 73 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,640 But anyway, before that Ron had been in the Senate. 74 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,280 Then Doctor Paul had been in the, pardon me, in the House 75 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:18,120 before and so anyway, he gives a speech and he says, Mr. Reagan, 76 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,079 don't listen to the Hawks. Do not put our guys in Lebanon. 77 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:24,000 You do not want to intervene in this war. 78 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,640 It's such a crazy situation. All the different factions over 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,320 there and the Israelis intervening now the way they are 80 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,880 and all these things. And if you do, it's just going 81 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,840 to lead to conflict. And then worst conflict from 82 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:38,000 there, just don't do it, please. And then the next speech. 83 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,880 This is again Foreign Policy of Freedom by Doctor Paul. 84 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,040 The next speech in line, you know, in his House speeches. 85 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,160 Oh, Mr. Reagan, you didn't listen to me and you did the 86 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,760 wrong thing. And you put our guys on the 87 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,120 ground in Lebanon. Please get him out of there 88 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,040 before it's too late. Don't kill anybody. 89 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,800 Don't escalate. Don't give him a mission. 90 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,440 Don't do nothing. Just turn around and go before 91 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,560 it's too late, man, Let's get the hell out of there now. 92 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:07,400 Next speech I told you. Now 241 Marines are dead and 93 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,560 what do we get out of it? Why are we in Lebanon, Mr. 94 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,720 Reagan, for God's sake, listen to reason. 95 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:18,600 Get our boys out of Lebanon now. And then the next speech, Thank 96 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,440 God you finally listened to reason and you did the right 97 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,080 thing, Mr. Reagan. And you got our guys out now, at 98 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,040 least while we're only this far behind instead of much worse. 99 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,080 So thank goodness for that. Because imagine if we decided to 100 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,920 go to war against the Shiites there, now allied with Israel in 101 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,000 that mess in Lebanon. We'd never get out again and on 102 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,440 and on like that. And it's just the brilliance of 103 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:47,360 Doctor Paul and you know, finally, at least too late, the 104 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,080 at least the wisdom of Ronald Reagan to listen to that sort of 105 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,320 advice. I don't know if he listened to 106 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,360 Doctor Paul or not, but he decided that he wanted to get 107 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:56,920 out of there. There's no way it was worth it 108 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,280 for America to get involved there. 109 00:05:58,280 --> 00:05:59,800 And he shouldn't have been involved there at all. 110 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,760 And I I don't know. He must have given the orders 111 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,120 for the battleship New Jersey to join Israel and shelling Shiite 112 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,680 neighborhoods at some point. But I forget exactly when that 113 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,600 was. But I know that later on there 114 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,160 was a hijacking of a airplane. Or was it a ship? 115 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,320 It may have been the Achille Laurel ship. 116 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:22,840 I think it was an airplane. And then in the terrorists were 117 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:26,200 running up and down the aisle going New Jersey, NJ and they 118 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,680 were looking for Americans to kill, you know, and they're 119 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,480 going New Jersey, NJ And the people on the plane were like, 120 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:33,680 what the hell is he talking about? 121 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,440 Why are they saying that? Well, that was the name of the 122 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,800 battleship that had been shelling the neighborhoods, the 123 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,520 suburbs of Beirut. And so that was what the 124 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,480 terrorist attack was, was backdraft terrorism, as we would 125 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,560 call it, direct blowback from from that, you know, atrocity. 126 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,360 They're bombing neighbor. They don't, they don't know who 127 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,520 they're killing, shelling neighborhoods. 128 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,560 They're killing innocent people, obviously. 129 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,680 And then, you know, Reagan did get sick of all of this stuff. 130 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,920 And I have the quote I I tweet this from time to time, A quote 131 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,360 from Ronald Reagan from 1982, where I guess was previous to 132 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,880 that, where he had called the knock and bag and told him, you 133 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,640 got to cut this out, 'cause there was a massive Israeli 134 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,800 bombing campaign against a neighborhood in East Beirut, I 135 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:29,680 believe it was. And and Reagan said in his diary 136 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:35,160 he wrote, I told beggin that I advisably used, I deliberately 137 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,640 used the word Holocaust. And I told him this has to stop. 138 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,720 The symbol of this war is going to be a 7 month old girl with 139 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,800 her arms blown off. And that was Reagan said that. 140 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,320 And then it's a different anecdote from it's the same 141 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:51,760 anecdote but from a different source. 142 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,120 And I need to go back and find this one, but I know that this 143 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,480 had happened. Where then the bombing stopped 144 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,640 in 15 minutes and Reagan said, whoa, I didn't realize I could 145 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,120 do that. And that was it. 146 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,400 Which is another huge lesson for our current situation, that Joe 147 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,280 Biden could pick up the phone right now and in this war he 148 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,120 absolutely could. But he doesn't have anything 149 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,520 like the integrity of Ronald Reagan, unfortunately. 150 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,680 One more incident. In 1983 there was a flight that 151 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:24,360 was going from Alaska, I believe it was Anchorage, AK to Seoul, 152 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,400 South Korea and it was shot down by the Soviets. 153 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,480 It was a civilian airline killing 269 passengers. 154 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:36,159 It the sources I have say 62 of them were Americans and Reagan 155 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:40,400 did not declare war over this and the Soviet Union came 156 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:46,040 crumbling down within a decade. What was the response to this in 157 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,520 general 'cause there was a sitting Congressman, Larry 158 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,920 McDonald, on this flight? Who happened to be the head of 159 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,720 the John Birch Society at the time. 160 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,160 It's caused a lot of conspiracy and scandal and the idea that 161 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,240 the plane had been forced down and that they all lived, which I 162 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,360 think is not credible, unfortunately. 163 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,720 But I think what happened there, Keith, and this may have had a 164 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,520 lot to do. I mean, depending on what they 165 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,760 told him, I don't know. This may have a lot to do with 166 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,520 his lack of response was it was the Air Force's fault. 167 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:23,440 They had been on a spy mission inside the Soviet Union, and 168 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,600 then when they were getting the hell out of there, when they 169 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,880 were being pursued, they hid in the shadow of this civilian 170 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:35,880 airliner and then bugged out. So in other words, on the radar, 171 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,240 they conflated their dot with the Korean airline double O 7 172 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,960 flight and then they dove out of there. 173 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,520 And then when the Soviets caught up to him, they didn't catch up 174 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,320 to them. They caught up to the double O 7 175 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,760 flight and blew it out of the sky. 176 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,120 So it was the Air Force who had put him in that situation and 177 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,520 got him killed. So it could be that they told 178 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,440 Reagan that. And Reagan was like, Oh, well, 179 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:04,000 hell, it's kind of hard to crack down on them that bad over what 180 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,400 was really, you know, a situation we put them in. 181 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,920 I don't know whether that's. And I, and honestly, I was a 182 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,440 boy, very young boy at the time, 81. 183 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,080 I was in, you know, preschool. So I don't have any memory of 184 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,640 that. I do remember the day Reagan was 185 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,800 inaugurated when I was 4, but I don't remember you know exactly 186 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,600 how that was handled then. Well, it it's. 187 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:30,400 Just incredible. They didn't kill the world over 188 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,200 it. When they could have escalated. 189 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,120 He could have just started pounding his first on the table 190 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,600 and made everything worse. You know, I don't know enough 191 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,920 about this guy. I should probably read this 192 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,080 guy's autobiography or whatever the hell if there is one. 193 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,960 But his Secretary of State was George Schultz, who was 194 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,400 apparently not the most psycho out of all these guys, although 195 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,240 he was a war profiteer and and did have his problems. 196 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,880 I don't want to go on a whole tangent about him. 197 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:58,040 He apparently at the time was one of the least worst of 198 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,000 Reagan's advisers and would preach caution when some of the 199 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,280 other guys were going off half cocked and that kind of thing. 200 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,680 Well, it's just incredible because we get all this hawkish 201 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:12,720 talk because of a fake Russian interference event in 2016. 202 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,480 We get more hawkish talk when we hear that Putin has put bounties 203 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,360 on the head of soldiers in Afghanistan. 204 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,080 So all these fake things are getting people so hawkish, but 205 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,920 these were real things that took place. 206 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,880 And Ronald Reagan, Mr. Conservative, didn't declare 207 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,760 war, and the Soviet empire came crumbling down after it's it's 208 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,480 just unbelievable. That we have. 209 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,840 We have real examples. Yeah, And and look, let's go 210 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,960 further than that. What ended the Cold War? 211 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,360 It wasn't America just defeated the Soviet Union, drove them 212 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,440 into bankruptcy. Just simple as that. 213 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,240 Something like that. That's not what happened. 214 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:50,720 What happened was Gorbachev ended the Soviet Union, ended 215 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,920 the Cold War, and he actually did try to hold on to the last 216 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,840 vestiges of the Soviet Union, but by then it was too late. 217 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,920 But the only reason that any of the was, in hindsight, 218 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,800 especially like this virtually magical transformation of the 219 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,680 the Velvet Revolution throughout Eastern Europe in 1988 through 220 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:13,720 91, in the fall of the Soviet Union and the freedom of Eastern 221 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,000 Europe and the rest of the Soviet Empire, too. 222 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,400 That that all happened because Reagan treated Gorbachev with 223 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,840 respect. That all happened because they 224 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,720 were partners working to build trust and end the Cold War 225 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,200 together. And Reagan said, look, all the 226 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,880 old guys who'd fought in World War 2 and had worked for Stalin 227 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,280 and all that, all those guys were finally gone. 228 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,640 Gorbachev was the first guy who was 45. 229 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,720 And Reagan walked right up to him, shook his hand and said, 230 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,560 you know, if the aliens attack, you and us are going to have to 231 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:54,120 team up and fight them off. And Gorbachev was like, what? 232 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,920 Yeah, what? And. 233 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,560 But, you know, Reagan's like a foot and a half taller than him. 234 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,080 And he's wearing his cowboy hat and his big trench coat and 235 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,080 whatever. And he just pulls alpha dog. 236 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,400 Hey there young man shakes his hand and is like you're my guy 237 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,640 now and and the and the dictator of the Soviet Union is like I 238 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,040 guess I'm your guy now like he just did so he just that was how 239 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,680 he did it and again trust but verify never meant trust. 240 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,200 Trust but verify meant hey I really like you. 241 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,120 Let's get along very politely here in our diplomacy and sign a 242 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,240 deal on what we can agree on. And as part of that deal, we are 243 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,640 going to have a vast and intrusive inspection regime to 244 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,480 guarantee that it all comes true, right? 245 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,400 That that's what trust. But verify means. 246 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,520 Means no. Trust means be polite during 247 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,160 diplomacy and call it trust because it's polite to call it 248 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,080 trust. That's it, right? 249 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:56,840 Ronald Reagan was not a pushover, you know, called him a 250 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,680 pushover. Norman Podhoretz and the 251 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:03,200 neoconservatives said he was Neville Chamberlain selling out 252 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:08,240 to Hitler at Munich. But he was Ronald Reagan and he 253 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,920 didn't make a deal with the devil. 254 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,240 He made a deal with a bureaucrat and it paid off, man. 255 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,720 He destroyed the Soviet empire through goodwill, Not through 256 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,000 covert action. Through. 257 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,320 Hey, man, come on. There ain't no reason we got to 258 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,520 keep doing this. Isn't that what you think too? 259 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:31,040 And then look, it's right as the election of 88 is taking place, 260 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:36,080 right as Reagan is on his very last lame duck months, The wall 261 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,440 starts coming down. Immigrants start breaking out. 262 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,160 I believe someone corrected me on this. 263 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,560 And then I didn't go back and check. 264 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,560 The way I remember it was the first border that broke open was 265 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,680 from Hungary into Austria, and Austria was neutral and free, 266 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,240 not aligned with the West, but neutral and not occupied by the 267 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,000 Soviets. And when people started escaping 268 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,440 from communist Hungary into Austria, the border guards 269 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,040 didn't machine gun them all the death. 270 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,320 They sat there and left. And the Soviet Union kids, for 271 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,040 real, the border guards were there to keep you in, and they 272 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,240 would murder you if you try to escape the country. 273 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,600 That's very real. Not just the Berlin Wall 274 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,240 situation in West Berlin, but the entire border of the 275 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,400 communist world with the free world at that time. 276 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,040 You can't exaggerate or make that up. 277 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,240 That's for real. You try to escape with your 278 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,960 family. They will murder you all in cold 279 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,000 blood. And that was what that was for. 280 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,640 And all that just fell apart. And it was an atmosphere of 281 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,240 trust and decency. And this world, in fact, is big 282 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,200 enough for both of us. So let's figure it out. 283 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:39,760 They figured it out, Keith.