1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,560 Welcome to Keith and I Don't Tread on Anyone and the 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,440 Libertarian Institute. Constantine Kissen has a new 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,200 article, Why They Hate Churchill. 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,920 I can give you one example of why I hate Churchill. 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,440 He often refers to Churchill only discussing the Second World 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,040 War. Well, this is a very difficult 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,880 conflict to use because there is so much hatred for the National 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,360 Socialists and for the Japanese imperialist, rightfully so, 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,759 along with Benito Mussolini. But let's look at Winston 10 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:36,800 Churchill's behavior in a war that is less justified by the 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,120 masses that people don't have such an emotional connection to. 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,720 Let's look at his behavior in the First World War and use in 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,640 Churchill as the source for what he engaged in when Winston 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,960 Churchill was First Lord of the Admiralty. 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,280 Here is what Winston Churchill said about the British blockade 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,640 of Germany in World War One. In his own book, titled The 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,840 World Crisis 1911 and 1918, Churchill said the British 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,160 blockade treated the whole of Germany as if it were a 19 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,360 beleaguered fortress and avowedly sought to starve the 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,120 whole population, men, women and children, old and young, wounded 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:21,080 and sound into submission. So that is why I hate Churchill. 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:26,080 I'm not sure what Kissen is referring to when he says they, 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,960 but thankfully he has written this article for us, so let's 24 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:33,800 find out. As regular readers will recall, 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,920 I've written occasionally about a faction of the right which 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,640 operates in a manner increasingly resembling the woke 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,360 left. There is much debate about me 28 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,040 labeling this group woke right, with plenty of agreement and 29 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,080 disagreement from people that I like and respect. 30 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,560 One of the traits that I would assume is in someone who was on 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,760 the woke right would be anyone who says you're unpatriotic or 32 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,560 you hate America If you disagree with invading Afghanistan, 33 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,479 invading Iraq, invading Libya, invading Syria, invading 34 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:12,080 Somalia, invading Yemen, question provoking, you know, a 35 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,160 third World War with Russia, China and Iran. 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,920 Anyone who says you hate America because you're against what some 37 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:22,520 people in the military engage in, that is certainly an aspect 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,680 of woke ISM Questioning the motives of someone when they're 39 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,480 bringing empirical or principled evidence to the front. 40 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,000 I would say that would be woke. Another aspect of a woke person 41 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,960 might be screaming anti semite anytime someone says they're 42 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,400 against the Israeli mass murder operation in Gaza. 43 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,960 Mainly these arguments stem from what one understands woke Ness 44 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,840 to mean. If being woke is about being an 45 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,760 extreme leftist obsessed with pronouns and open borders, the 46 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,160 term woke right is nonsense. But to me at least, wokeness was 47 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,680 never about policy positions. It was about the philosophy and 48 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,160 methodology behind the movement. And that is this, the identity 49 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,240 politics, grievance mongering and cancel culture that is now 50 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,760 being replicated on the fringes of the right. 51 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:18,800 Again, I see a lot of people on the right saying that their 52 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,080 Israeli identity really matters to them. 53 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,840 And because of October 7th, this is a grievance we have. 54 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,240 Anything that the Israeli government does in response is 55 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,400 totally justified and we're going to cancel anyone who 56 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,680 questions this by calling them an anti Semite. 57 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,400 So I do agree there is a woke right. 58 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,760 I think we just disagree on who it is. 59 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,680 In any case, even those who disagree with the label can't 60 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,200 possibly think it's a coincidence that this faction of 61 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,160 the right is attempting to destroy the very same historical 62 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,080 figures as the woke left. I don't see too much overlap. 63 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,640 I know that the left is always called Churchill, a racist, 64 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,920 imperialist, eugenicist, but usually people on the left focus 65 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,000 on Christopher Columbus, Thomas Jefferson, Robert E Lee, anyone 66 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,360 in the Confederacy. I don't see a ton of overlap. 67 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,800 I'm not sure if one example Winston Churchill is enough for 68 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,920 us to find a causal connection there. 69 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,839 Winston Churchill has been the subject of leftist attacks for 70 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,160 decades for obvious reasons. Since the entire project of the 71 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,880 woke left is to undermine the West belief in itself, they must 72 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,680 necessarily target the people we celebrate the most. 73 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,360 Whoever we hold up as the best of us must be torn down. 74 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,640 I definitely agree with this. This is an attempt to increase 75 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,320 the amount of insecurity that people on the right feel with 76 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,320 whatever policy position they're promoting. 77 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,520 So by increasing their insecurity, it decreases the 78 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,160 likelihood people will proudly say what's on their mind or 79 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,960 promote their ideas. This sort of yields the stage to 80 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,480 the left, so to speak, in the marketplace of ideas. 81 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:06,720 So that I certainly agree with, but why would some on the right 82 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:13,360 who are otherwise patriotic and pro western assuming that if you 83 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,640 question Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt, Abraham 84 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,960 Lincoln, that that means you are unpatriotic? 85 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:23,440 That is definitely a leftist criticism. 86 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,720 If you criticize 1 aspect of something, you're assuming that 87 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,800 the person is criticizing the entire portion of people 88 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,440 involved the based on an arbitrary characteristic. 89 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,760 There's nothing unpatriotic about saying I love America, 90 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,920 Dick Cheney belongs in prison, I love Britain, Winston Churchill 91 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,240 was a war criminal. There's nothing incompatible 92 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,720 with either of those claims. But Kissen of course just calls 93 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:56,040 you unpatriotic, unpro western, racist, xenophobic, anti semite. 94 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,160 I agree there is a problem of the woke right? 95 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,280 OK, starting again. But why would some on the right, 96 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:05,840 who are otherwise patriotic and pro Western, increasingly 97 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:09,640 attempt to denigrate his legacy as Tucker Carlson did over the 98 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,320 weekend in a debate with Piers Morgan? 99 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,000 Well, there are a number of reasons that someone would do 100 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,280 this. The reason that I do it is 101 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:22,560 because there was a principled reason to oppose the policies 102 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,200 and actions of Winston Churchill that he engaged in in the First 103 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,960 World War and the Second World War. 104 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,200 I mentioned the first briefly. Let's look at Winston 105 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,400 Churchill's position on how to deal with the Germans at large. 106 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,280 We know in the First World War, as I previously mentioned, he 107 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:43,520 was targeting the German civilian population. 108 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,440 Here is what happened in the Second World War. 109 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:51,680 This would have been around May of 1940 after Neville 110 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,760 Chamberlain stepped down and Winston Churchill was appointed 111 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,400 Prime Minister. The war for democracy was led by 112 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,960 undemocratic Winston Churchill and unelected Joseph Stalin. 113 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,840 But that's story for another time. 114 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,720 Here is a section from a gentleman who worked in the 115 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,120 British government. His name is Charles Percy Snow. 116 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,880 In 1961 he gave a speech at Harvard University in a 117 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,120 collection of lectures titled Science and Government. 118 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:25,160 On page 48 of these transcripts, Snow says the paper on bombing 119 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,480 went out to the top government scientists. 120 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,680 It described in quantitative terms the effect on Germany with 121 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,280 a British bombing offensive in the next 18 months. 122 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,000 The paper laid down a strategic policy. 123 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,880 The bombing must be directed essentially against German 124 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,080 working class houses. Middle class houses have too 125 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,680 much space round to them and so are bound to waste bombs. 126 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,400 Factories and military objectives had long since been 127 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,560 forgotten except in official bulletins, since they were much 128 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,160 too difficult to find and hit. The paper claimed that given a 129 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,960 total concentration of effort in the production and use of 130 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,920 bombing aircraft, it would be possible in all larger towns of 131 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,560 Germany, that is those with more than 50,000 inhabitants, to 132 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:16,360 destroy 50% of all houses. These were the good guys in the 133 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,080 war. This is just something we're 134 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,960 supposed to say. Well, they had exhausted every 135 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,840 peaceful means of not getting invaded and they just had to 136 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,800 start targeting German working class houses. 137 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,960 There's another citation I have from JM Spade, who was the 138 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,880 principal assistant secretary of the Air Ministry in 1944. 139 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,840 This is before Dresden. He wrote a book titled Bombing 140 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,280 Vindicated. His thesis is basically that the 141 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,280 First World War was so bloody and unnecessarily prolonged that 142 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,640 the use of bombing with aircraft increased the likelihood of the 143 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,280 enemy waving the white flag and surrendering at an earlier time 144 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,200 than they otherwise would. And this saves lives. 145 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:05,760 So bombing should be vindicated. That's his thesis here for from 146 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,880 JM Spates book Bombing Vindicated retaliation was 147 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,960 certain if we carried the war into Germany. 148 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,360 So they knew that Britain would get bombed if they started 149 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,280 bombing Germany. Yet because we were doubtful 150 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,720 about the psychological effect of propagandist distortion, of 151 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,800 the truth that it was we who started the strategic offensive, 152 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,800 we have shrunk from giving our great decision of May 1940 the 153 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,200 publicity which it deserved. That surely was a mistake. 154 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,320 It was a splendid decision. It was as heroic, as self 155 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,800 sacrificing as Russia's decision to adopt her policy of scorched 156 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,000 earth. It could have harmed us morally 157 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,080 if it were equivalent to an admission that we were the first 158 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,920 to bomb towns. This is what Constantine Kissen 159 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,400 is defending. One more citation and then I'll 160 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,000 get back to Kissen's letter. There was a book titled The 161 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,040 Complete War Memoirs of Charles de Gaulle. 162 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:10,040 So he was running the French government in exile after the 163 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,680 National Socialists installed the Vichy government in France. 164 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,080 This, of course, was after France and England declared war 165 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,320 on Germany, September 3rd of 1939. 166 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,560 The Vichy government and invasion was a response to that. 167 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,680 But OK, On page one O 4, here's what Charles de Gaulle, someone 168 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:32,400 who was in the know who does not have an incentive to make stuff 169 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,240 up. He said the following as the 170 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,640 people, many in their desire to emerge from an almost unbearable 171 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,840 tension, went so far as to say out loud that they wish the 172 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,880 enemy would risk the attack. Foremost among them, Mr. 173 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,120 Churchill found the waiting hard to bear. 174 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,560 I can still see him at Shakur's one August day, raising his 175 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:57,120 first toward the sky as he cried. 176 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,360 So they won't come. Are you in such a hurry? 177 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,800 I said to him. To see your town smashed to 178 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,840 bits? You see, he replied, the bombing 179 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,360 of Oxford, Coventry, Canterbury will cause such a wave of 180 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,960 indignation in the United States that they'll come into the war. 181 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,720 So Churchill knowingly provoked a conflict which would get 182 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,240 British people killed, not just Germans. 183 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,920 But we should still be sympathetic to the vast majority 184 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,160 of people who are engaged in peaceful activities, who have 185 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,560 very little say over what the National Socialist regime does. 186 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,880 So let's go back to the kissing article. 187 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:41,160 And he has an insert of of Tucker Carlson having a 188 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,760 conversation with Pierce Morgan. So I'm very distressed about it. 189 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,040 So people want to tell me Churchill is an incredible guy. 190 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,520 Really. Well, why didn't he save Western 191 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,000 civilization? He didn't even save Poland. 192 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,280 He did. What Tucker Carlson is referring 193 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,960 to in the He didn't even save Poland example. 194 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,960 This is in reference to the fact that the origins of the Second 195 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:03,320 World War were justified by the British government by the 196 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,560 British Prime Minister was based on the justification that 197 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,160 Germany had violated Polish independence. 198 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,480 In March of 1939, the British government gave the Polish 199 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,880 government a war guarantee only against Germany. 200 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,120 The Soviets of course invaded 2 weeks later, the other end of 201 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,040 Poland and there was no declaration against the Soviets. 202 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,400 So it was not a war guarantee. It was only a war guarantee 203 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,640 against the Germans. The Soviets invaded, I want to 204 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:36,200 say September 17th of 1939. So if you look at the text of 205 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,480 Neville Chamberlain September 3rd 1939 speech, two days before 206 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:46,160 the Germans had invaded Poland, the area of Danzig which was 95% 207 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,640 German, formerly a German area before the Versailles Treaty. 208 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,560 Here's Neville Chamberlain's words on September 3rd of 1939 209 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:57,640 in his declaration of war. This morning the British 210 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,240 Ambassador in Berlin handed the German government a final note 211 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,800 stating that unless we heard from them by 11:00 that they 212 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,560 were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from 213 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:10,600 Poland, a state of war would exist between us. 214 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,040 I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been 215 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,400 received and that consequently this country is at war with 216 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,520 Germany. So in short, the war waged on 217 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,640 behalf of Polish independence ended with 7.1 million dead 218 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,960 Poles and Poland under Soviet occupation. 219 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:33,880 This is the original justification at the time for 220 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,920 the war. You'll notice that there's a 221 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,640 common thread. In order to get people on board 222 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,520 with getting their sons to get conscripted, to get their limbs 223 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,320 blown off to die, they have to scare people. 224 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:51,920 So they'll say Saddam is going to use mushroom cloud weaponry 225 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,760 in America. There's going to be mass death. 226 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,080 Saddam is aligned with al Qaeda. And then after a few years, 227 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,200 they're like, well, we're just trying to bring democracy to 228 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:04,320 Iraq and have a nice democracy, stable region in the Middle 229 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:05,720 East. What's wrong with helping these 230 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,480 people? Or they'll say, the Taliban 231 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:14,400 colluded with al Qaeda and attacked us on 9/11, and that's 232 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,880 when they want to start the war. But after 20 years, they're 233 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,520 like, well, there's women's rights that we're fighting for 234 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,480 there. And the Taliban is oppressive to 235 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,200 their domestic population. So to get people into the war, 236 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,560 they scare the people they're talking to. 237 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,160 And then in retrospect, they say, well, this was just for 238 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,000 virtuous reasons. There was nothing nefarious 239 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,400 about this at all. And so this is very common. 240 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,520 The war waged on behalf of Polish independence ended with 241 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,840 millions of Deadpools in Poland under the Bolshevik occupation. 242 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,560 And in hindsight, it's seldom referred to except from people 243 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,080 like Tucker Carlson. It's just like, well, we had to 244 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,960 stop Germany from taking over the world or we had to save the 245 00:14:55,080 --> 00:15:02,120 minorities of German nations. That is a very common scam that 246 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,040 they get people on board with. Let's listen to the rest of 247 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,160 Tucker Carlson and Piers Morgan. Did he, He did say Western 248 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,560 civilization, how he defeated the Nazis. 249 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,120 But oh, I know he helped defeat the Nazis with his friend 250 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,000 Stalin. Nazis wanted the whole world to 251 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,560 be speaking, defending the Nazis. 252 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,640 I'm just saying where is Western civilization? 253 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,080 What did he do? What did he preserve? 254 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,480 Where is it? I don't know where it is. 255 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,600 The Churchill died the year before I was born. 256 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,680 It was the same year, actually. He died in 63, I think 6565, I 257 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:30,880 think about a month before I was born. 258 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,720 It was a natural succession. But the. 259 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,200 But the question is like, where's the victory? 260 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,240 I don't understand. Like everyone wants to yell at 261 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,120 you for not loving Churchill. OK, well, hang on. 262 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,520 Show me the victory. Wait a minute. 263 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,280 It's a theoretical victory. Oh, he beat. 264 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,240 So he beat Hitler. Great. 265 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,120 I'm totally for meeting Hitler. I'm totally for meeting 80 years 266 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,960 on that. Churchill didn't win the war 267 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,560 because look at what's happened since. 268 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,360 But the. The kissing article continues. 269 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,000 Even though the clip is only 40 seconds long, there is much to 270 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,600 unpack. Before we do, however, it is 271 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,080 important to recall that last year Carlson hosted a pseudo 272 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,320 historian on his show called Darryl Cooper. 273 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,840 I think he's called Martyr Maid and his name is Darryl Cooper, 274 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,160 but OK. Any chance to belittle the 275 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,960 pseudo historian? In that episode, Carlson 276 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,520 famously endorsed Cooper as the best and most honest popular 277 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,760 historian in the United States before nodding along as the 278 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,040 historian explained that Churchill was the chief villain 279 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,320 of World War 2. My point is, Carlson's 280 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,520 performance in the clip you just watched is the product of an 281 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:44,040 extensive ideological evolution rather than an off the cuff 282 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,880 remark made in the heat of the moment. 283 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,440 I want to address this claim that Churchill was the chief 284 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,400 villain of World War 2. There's a book titled Churchill 285 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,800 a Life by a man named Martin Gilbert who had more access to 286 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,400 the Churchill archives than any other historian I've come 287 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,440 across, including Andrew Roberts. 288 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:10,640 He explains in the book that there was an exchange between 289 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:15,040 Lord Londonderry, Leader of the House of Lords on May 4th 1935 290 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:19,119 with Winston Churchill. Londonderry says I should like 291 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,760 to get out of your mind what appears to be a strong anti 292 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,000 Germans obsession, Churchill responded. 293 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,240 You are mistaken in supposing that I have an anti German 294 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,840 obsession. British policy for 400 years has 295 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,880 been to oppose the strongest power in Europe by weaving 296 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,960 together a combination of other countries strong enough to face 297 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,720 the bully. Sometimes it is Spain, sometimes 298 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,240 the French monarchy, sometimes the French Empire, sometimes 299 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Germany. I have no doubt who it is now, 300 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,560 but if France set up to claim the overlordship of Europe, I 301 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,040 should equally endeavor to oppose them. 302 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,960 It is is thus through the centuries we have kept our 303 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,160 liberties and maintained our life and power. 304 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,760 So as early as 1935, Winston Churchill was saying we are 305 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,560 going to have to go to war with any competitor on this 306 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,480 continent. That means that what Cooper 307 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,600 didn't say, Churchill killed the most, the highest number of 308 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,720 people. He was saying chief villain, as 309 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,160 in there's at least a case to be made dealing with politicians. 310 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:24,640 You're always comparing infinities. 311 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:30,000 But we just, I just want to move Churchill from the heroic column 312 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,760 to the evil column, just as we would put Ted Bundy or anyone 313 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,520 else who engaged in mass slaughter, which also was not 314 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,120 like the British people were totally behind this. 315 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,640 Which you know, because according to parliament.uk, on 316 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,480 the day Britain declared war on Germany, September 3rd, 1939, 317 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:57,640 Parliament immediately passed a wide-ranging, a wide reaching 318 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,200 measure. The National Service Armed 319 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:07,920 Forces Act imposed conscription on all males aged between 18 and 320 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,840 41 who had to register for service. 321 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,920 If you think it's wrong to force someone to pick cotton against 322 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,880 their will, we're in total agreement that is immoral. 323 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,040 I think there were like 400,000 deaths. 324 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,640 America had conscription as well. 325 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,840 The National Socialists had conscription as well. 326 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,200 The Soviets had conscription as well. 327 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,120 But if you're going to say that forced labor is bad, what about 328 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:35,640 forced labor under the most deadly conditions? 329 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,840 This actually would reflect the will of the people. 330 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,680 If you funded the war voluntarily, not through 331 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,120 taxation, and if you allowed people to opt out of 332 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:48,720 participating in it, that would be an actual war, which you 333 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,200 could be proud to lead people on. 334 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,000 Of course, the populations don't actually want these things. 335 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,360 That's why they have to fund them with taxation. 336 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,800 That's why they have to conscript millions of men 337 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,560 against their will. Sure, the feminists are very up 338 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,000 in arms about that, but that is. What Darryl Cooper was saying 339 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,280 made Churchill the chief villain, that he wanted to take 340 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,720 what would have been a conflict between the National Socialists 341 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:20,360 and one portion of Poland, Danzig, and, you know, Polish 342 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:24,080 colonels and maybe the National Socialists in the Bolsheviks. 343 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,520 He said it was Churchill who made this a global conflict. 344 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,120 That's Cooper's thesis. I have no problem saying that 345 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:34,680 all of these politicians are interchangeably evil and that 346 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,800 while you can prefer some to others, at some point when you 347 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,520 have Churchill engaging in, I remember I actually collected 348 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:49,080 the numbers here. I want to say the #600,000 came 349 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,160 to mind. So this is Colonel Carla 350 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,320 Calson's research at the Canadian Forces College. 351 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,320 She estimates that 600,000 German men, women and children 352 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,120 died as a result of the direct bombing of German cities during 353 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:08,360 the war, 39 to 45. Many thousands more were wounded 354 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,640 and mutilated, Millions more were left homeless. 355 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,840 In the prosecution of the bombing campaign, the British 356 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:22,160 Commonwealth lost 55,573 aircrew, 18% of which were 357 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,320 Canadian, and only one man in three could be expected to 358 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,160 survive his tour of duty, which equated to 30 missions with 359 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,720 Bomber Command. A 33% death rate in this forced 360 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,120 labor operation. I can't imagine any plantation 361 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,400 in the South. As long as forced cotton picking 362 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,960 existed and the enslavement of people. 363 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,960 I can't imagine any plantation had a 33% death rate. 364 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,520 So governments engaging in conscription is far worse than 365 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,240 the slavery which people think they are so proud to oppose. 366 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,680 Not that anyone's ever asking them. 367 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,720 They kind of just brag about opposing a thing that's like not 368 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,560 even on the table. By the way, this position that 369 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,480 the Second World War was a bit of a waste. 370 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,520 It was one of those where, yes, even if you say the National 371 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,000 Socialists were the bad guys and the British were the good guys 372 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,520 with their allies, the Soviets and the Americans, even if you 373 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,880 take that position, it's important to note what happens 374 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,320 as a cause of result. People generally will say, I 375 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,320 will say rather the cost of war are extraordinarily high, not 376 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,960 just the monetary cost, the number of people die. 377 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:38,480 That's a downside that has to be in the cost column. 378 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,360 So the costs are extraordinarily high and the outcomes are 379 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:46,480 extraordinarily unforeseeable. That's why the anti war position 380 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,680 should be everyone's default position. 381 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,400 It's interesting to look at Churchill's own words. 382 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,400 In 1948 he wrote a book titled The Gathering Storm. 383 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,120 There's actually six of these books, but volume 1 is titled 384 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:00,240 The Gathering Storm. Here's what Churchill says. 385 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,120 One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly 386 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,720 for suggestions about what the war should be called. 387 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,360 I said at once the unnecessary war. 388 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:14,240 There was never a war more easy to stop than that which has just 389 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,080 wrecked what was left of the world from the previous 390 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,960 struggle. I don't think this is too 391 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,400 damning to say it was unnecessary. 392 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,600 Some people have interpreted that to say, yeah, we shouldn't 393 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,000 have done that. That was a mistake. 394 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:29,680 I doubt Winston Churchill is saying that. 395 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,920 I think he's saying if only we had gotten with the French and 396 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:39,160 threatened to invade Germany if they attempted to take the 397 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,400 Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia, we should have declared war then 398 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,080 and then this whole thing never would have happened. 399 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,760 That we would have gotten them when they were weak. 400 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:52,240 I think that is what he means by the unnecessary war, that they 401 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,240 should have declared war much sooner when the National 402 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,680 Socialists were in a weaker position. 403 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,640 By the way, worth noting, Czechoslovakia ended up under a 404 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,600 Bolshevik occupation after the Second World War. 405 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,960 So you have to fight a war. If 1/5 of Czechoslovakia, the 406 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,120 Sudetenland, if that independence is threatened, you 407 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,440 have to go to war. But if all of Czechoslovakia is 408 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,560 overrun by the Bolsheviks, nothing you can do. 409 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,520 You know, people pretend they have this principle and at some 410 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,680 point they just realize the costs are too high. 411 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,320 Churchill goes on to say the human tragedy reaches its climax 412 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,480 in the fact that after all the exertions and sacrifices of 413 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,840 hundreds of millions of people and the victories of the 414 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,160 righteous 'cause we have still not found peace or security, and 415 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,280 that we lie in the grip of even worse perils than those we have 416 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,280 surmounted. Now Dennis Prager will say, if 417 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,520 you have AIDS and cancer, is it worth getting rid of cancer? 418 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,880 If you can't cure both of your diseases, good. 419 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,520 If you can attack 1 devastating illness, do that and then you 420 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,200 can start focusing on the other one. 421 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,840 You can't just say, well, you still have AIDS, so it's not 422 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,720 worth getting rid of cancer. This is the example that Prager 423 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,280 uses. But notice that's not what this 424 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,640 is in reference to. It's not like there was a 425 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,920 tyranny in Europe and then they squashed that, and then a 426 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,000 tyranny in Zimbabwe came up. He's literally saying that the 427 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,960 Bolshevik regime now occupies Eastern Europe as a causal 428 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,160 result of allying with the Bolshevik regime. 429 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,040 So Churchill is more or less saying, you know how I said 430 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,720 millions of us would have to sacrifice? 431 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,640 We'd have to ration food throughout the economy. 432 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,080 Tons of people would die. Kids would lose their parents. 433 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,760 People would get their limbs blown off so we could be secure. 434 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,960 Yeah. Not only are we not secure, 435 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,120 we're in bigger danger than ever before, because now there's 436 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:58,280 communism from East Germany to Vladivostok, and they have an 437 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,680 alliance with China, with Chairman Mao. 438 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,760 So of course, even Churchill was very skeptical about whether or 439 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,120 not the Second World War was justified. 440 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:14,120 Or one interpretation could be that the this is just the 441 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,520 natural selection process, that whenever one war ends, there's 442 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,520 just another that they have to justify. 443 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,920 They got to say, well, look, we tried and we underestimated how 444 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,320 much evil was out there, so we're going to need even more 445 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,720 money and more power. Yep. 446 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:32,440 What a convenient response to every issue. 447 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,160 The government looked into it and determined we need more 448 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,040 money, we need more regulatory powers, we need to murder more 449 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,560 people with incendiary bombs. Very, very common. 450 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:50,600 So getting back to Mr. Kissen, Kissen says Carlson explains 451 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,280 that Churchill was no hero because he didn't save Western 452 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,400 civilization. If he had, where is it? 453 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,680 As we've discussed previously, much of the animus behind what I 454 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,200 call the Woke Right, it is understandable frustration at 455 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,800 the sense of decline in Western self-confidence, a growing 456 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,720 feeling of disunity, and a generalized moral decay that is 457 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,120 palpable wherever you go. While the woke left hates the 458 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,600 West for its ideals, the woke Right hates the West for failing 459 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,880 to live up to them. The woke Left hates the West for 460 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,360 its ideals. The woke Right hates the West 461 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:36,760 for failing to live up to them. To say that these two groups are 462 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,840 more or less interchangeable or they have the same philosophy 463 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,320 and methodology, that is totally These are two totally different 464 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:52,680 things If OK, so so let's say free speech is the ideal and the 465 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,600 left hates free speech that you could see as something worthy of 466 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,120 condemnation. But then if another group hates 467 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:05,800 you for not living up to the principles of free speech, that 468 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,280 would be something admirable. So I would like Mr. Kissen to 469 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,400 explain what he means. But he's trying to make it seem, 470 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,320 I think, that the woke left hates engages in hatred, the 471 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,880 woke, the woke right engages in hatred. 472 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,360 So these are both the same group. 473 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,240 But if one group hates you for an idea, if that idea is 474 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,360 virtuous and another organization hates you for not 475 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:34,080 living up to that idea, I I don't see the connection. 476 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:40,040 OK, going on Kiss and says this low resolution world view is 477 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,960 easy to take apart as to his credit, Piers Morgan immediately 478 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,040 does when he explains that Churchill led the fight against 479 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,280 Hitler and the National Socialist whose expressly stated 480 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,440 objective was the subjugation of the entire Western world. 481 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:04,280 One of the methodologies and philosophies of the woke left is 482 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,840 to make proclamations without actually having any evidence. 483 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,160 There's racism and white supremacy and sexism everywhere. 484 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,360 Is this an empirical claim? Do you have statistics for it? 485 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,840 Do you have metrics which can be falsifiable? 486 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,680 Well, it's 2025 and if you don't know that so. 487 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,640 So just making assertions without any evidence. 488 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,760 I noticed there's not a hyperlink. 489 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,480 He's not against hyperlinks because there's one right here 490 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,760 when he's says he's written about the woke. 491 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,960 Right? There's one up here when he 492 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,920 calls a person a pseudo historian without 493 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,120 differentiating good history from bad history. 494 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,240 Whatever articles can only be so long. 495 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,680 The kissing does not have a citation for they wanted to 496 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,240 subjugate the entire western world. 497 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:58,600 What if I told you that there was a document written in German 498 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,080 and it was in Hitler's handwriting and the document 499 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,920 said something like we will have the largest empire the world has 500 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,840 ever seen. We're going to cover 1/4 of the 501 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:17,640 planet Earth's landmass and we'll have under our rule 458 502 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,400 million people. You might say, well that is 503 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,680 pretty damning evidence. Now, just because someone wants 504 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,920 something doesn't mean they'll be able to achieve it. 505 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,040 If I could say I want to be the king of Africa tomorrow, well, 506 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,120 you have to look at the means as well as the intentions. 507 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,680 Well, there is no such document from Adolf Hitler. 508 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:44,000 However, there is the reality of the British Empire which at its 509 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:50,680 height around 1922 had about 458,000,000 subjects and 510 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,160 including places like North America, Canada, India, Africa, 511 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,160 Australia, New Zealand and various territories in the 512 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,160 Caribbean and Southeast Asia. It would have also had America 513 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,520 under their rule if there was not a revolution. 514 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,520 Maybe portions of France depending on how the Napoleonic 515 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:15,560 Wars went, But either way, this claim that there could have been 516 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,000 a scenario which one group of people had tons of power and 517 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,520 influence. It's like you had that with the 518 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,560 British Empire. Look, there's costs and 519 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,880 benefits. Just because there's an imperial 520 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,360 government doesn't necessarily make it bad or worse. 521 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,000 You can have an imperial government that regulates 1% of 522 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,880 your life, or you could have a domestic government that's run 523 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,360 by Pol Pot. I'm sure anyone in Cambodia 524 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,360 would have rather been ruled by the British Empire rather than 525 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,600 the Khmer Rouge, so just saying that the National Socialists 526 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:54,120 would have had tons of power doesn't necessarily mean that it 527 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,760 would have been as terrible as people say it was great. 528 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,360 Basically the biggest atrocities that they engaged in were during 529 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,480 the war at Buchanan. Got in a lot of trouble for 530 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,280 saying if there was no guarantee given to the polls there would 531 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,160 have been no war. Had there been no war, there 532 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,040 never would have been a Holocaust. 533 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,800 As an anarcho capitalist, I have no love for national Socialism, 534 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,480 but all I'm saying is you have to engage in a cost benefit 535 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,760 analysis. Sometimes it's hard to even say, 536 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,600 would I defend my country, my state, my town? 537 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,920 In America, the government claims the right to basically 538 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,080 own your house. When it comes to property taxes, 539 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,040 they claim the right to confiscate 30% of your income, 540 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,760 more than any Russian leader or German leader has ever 541 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,720 threatened to do. So. 542 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,440 Yeah, basically you just have to give into things sometimes 543 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,680 because you don't have the power to resist. 544 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,640 Or you could have the power to resist, but the outcomes are so 545 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,440 unforeseeable and the interim costs are so high that you 546 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,640 shouldn't engage in mass violence. 547 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:05,720 So yeah, that is basically my response to they were going to 548 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,760 take over the world. There was an organization which 549 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,560 already took over the world. It was the British Empire. 550 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:17,920 And as was shown in some cases, British rule could be preferable 551 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,120 to domestic rule. Even the founders of the 1619 552 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,120 project, Nicole Hannah Jones, and these people, they make the 553 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,400 assumption that British rule of America would have meant more 554 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,680 freedom for Americans because they say the American Revolution 555 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,840 was to preserve slavery. So this is not just something 556 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,120 that the Tucker Carlson's of the world believe. 557 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,880 A lot of people recognize that there are costs and benefits to 558 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,760 having to answer to certain governments. 559 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,320 All right, article goes on. Furthermore, how can Churchill 560 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,680 be held responsible for today's direction of the West when he 561 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:02,120 died in 1965 and was last in office 75 years ago? 562 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,960 This is quite an incredible claim considering that both 563 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:13,239 Piers Morgan and Constantine kiss and say Churchill saved us 564 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,440 from National Socialist rule and German imperialist rule, 565 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,880 Japanese imperialist rule. They say our present condition 566 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,520 today is the result of Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Stalin and 567 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,560 Winston Churchill. They think what was done in the 568 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,000 past for what our current circumstances. 569 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,320 Piers Morgan says all the time we'd be speaking German if it 570 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,280 weren't for Winston Churchill. As if just speaking a language 571 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,719 is worth fighting a mass murder campaign over. 572 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,560 As if they would have changed the language if they just had a 573 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,560 colonial government in Britain. Just so pathetic. 574 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,199 But when it comes to this claim, they say that because of 575 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,680 Churchill, we have the benefits of what we have today. 576 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,520 Tucker Carlson is just saying because of Churchill, we haven't 577 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,560 reaped more benefits than we otherwise could have if it 578 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,560 weren't for him. So both Tucker and Kissing are 579 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,720 saying we are here today in our current condition as a causal 580 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,240 result of a very influential Prime Minister. 581 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,480 This could apply to any historical figure, but Kissen is 582 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,360 saying he's not responsible for what happens today, but also he 583 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,720 is responsible because today we'd all be under German rule. 584 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,440 As if expanding empires don't eventually fall for other 585 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,880 reasons because they get spread too thin. 586 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,920 Just ridiculous nonsense. It is at this point that Carlson 587 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,320 engages in what I call sleight of mouth, a linguistic judo 588 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,320 trick designed to spring the trap into which he has placed 589 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,000 himself. I'm not defending the Nazis. 590 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,880 He Tucker Carlson claims this is a weird thing to say since no 591 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,120 one at any point suggested he was defending the Nazis. 592 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,480 Yeah, except, you know, 10s of thousands of people on Twitter, 593 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,960 people in the media, and you playing the he's Nazi adjacent 594 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,480 game along with Ben Shapiro. Yeah. 595 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,160 Other than that, no one is doing it. 596 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,520 What Morgan pointed out is that in standing up to Hitler, 597 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,880 Churchill did in fact save the West from National Socialist 598 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,360 domination. But defeating National Socialism 599 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,800 and Japanese imperialism isn't enough for Carlson. 600 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,200 You know, in both cases, they had an unconditioned, they had 601 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,880 Franklin Roosevelt's unconditional surrender policy. 602 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,640 So by having an unconditional surrender policy to Germany, you 603 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,720 gave a blank check to the Bolsheviks. 604 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,560 Whether you believe that was totally right or totally wrong 605 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,880 or something in between, you can't just say there's a benefit 606 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,080 and there's no cost. So he saved us. 607 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,640 He just saved us. We've been saved. 608 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:57,120 There are costs and benefits to giving the Bolsheviks half of 609 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:02,400 Eastern Europe and allowing people to infiltrate your 610 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,840 university system who are very admiring of the communist 611 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,880 activities, whether it's Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin or Lenin. 612 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,360 So look, there's always costs and benefits. 613 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,560 The Japanese example is just too obvious. 614 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,200 They had colonized Vietnam in September of 1940 and once those 615 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,120 troops were taken out the IT created a power vacuum. the US 616 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,960 ended up fighting a war in Vietnam. 617 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,560 The Japanese had occupied Korea since 1910 and that colonial 618 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,600 government was withdrawn. And then the US forces fought a 619 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,960 very deadly, I think the estimates are like 3,000,000 620 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,560 deaths in the Korean War. So just taking out a bad 621 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,640 government doesn't mean kind virtuous Jeffersonian Democrats 622 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,560 will come to take its place. But defeating National Socialism 623 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,440 and Japanese imperialism isn't enough for Carlson. 624 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,360 Everyone wants to yell at you for not loving Churchill, 625 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,040 Carlson continues. But where is the victory? 626 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,240 Where is your freedom? You can't defend yourself, you 627 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,160 can't control it comes into your country, and you can't criticize 628 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,520 government policies or you get arrested. 629 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,080 So how are you free? You're a slave. 630 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:18,320 In doing so, Carlson commits at least 2 logical errors. 631 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,240 First, the idea that a man who led Britain in World War 2A full 632 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,320 85 years ago should be held responsible for the state of our 633 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,720 country today is insanity. This is quite literally the 634 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:34,680 position of most Churchill supporters. 635 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,320 We're only here today, not under the rule of National Socialism 636 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,480 because of Winston Churchill. They're literally saying 637 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,080 Churchill is responsible for where we are today, so I don't 638 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,960 know what else to say on that. FDR, America's president during 639 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,240 World War 2, is widely regarded as one of America's top 3 640 00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:59,280 presidents alongside George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. 641 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,280 Herein lies the importance of attacking the Churchill myth. 642 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,320 It is so costly for people to get involved, to get 643 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:15,480 empirically, principally and logically informed on the 644 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,000 Russia, Ukraine situation, the Gaza Israel situation, the China 645 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,880 Taiwan situation, the concept of Operation Cyclone in 1979. 646 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,240 These are so complex. They take thousands of hours and 647 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,840 you got to spend money on books and articles, get past paywalls 648 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,560 on Constantine Kesson's website. It's so hard that people just 649 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,080 take a shortcut. And what they do is embrace 650 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,880 historical narratives. They say, you know, this current 651 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,120 conflict, this is kind of like the American Civil War, where 652 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,400 the North was the good guys, the South were the bad guys. 653 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,680 We want to be like the North and we want to be the good team. 654 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,000 So wars can have very good outcomes. 655 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,200 Yeah. They, you know, had 600,000 656 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,640 deaths in America. And cities that took decades to 657 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,680 build were completely burnt to the ground, while the Industrial 658 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,840 Revolution was just taking off and millions of parents had to 659 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,560 bury their children and. You know, colonialism is bad, 660 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,280 but the North should have colonized the South. 661 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,560 But it's OK because there was a great outcome and there were no 662 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,280 downsides. So what people do is they take 663 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,640 this mental shortcut where they embrace a historical narrative 664 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,680 as opposed to finding empirical examples. 665 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,440 Now, if people believe the Churchill myth that there was 666 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,240 pure evil and pure good or general evil and general good on 667 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:41,360 one side, they don't look today and see, well, did Zelensky end 668 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:46,680 up holding that March 2024 election that he was supposed to 669 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,720 have? I mean, we're fighting for 670 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,920 democracy. So certainly Zelensky held his 671 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,360 election just as the Americans did when they were in the middle 672 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,120 of a war. No, didn't happen. 673 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,600 Yeah, it's extremely costly because you have to constantly 674 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,080 humble yourself. They could say, well, everyone 675 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,120 in Ukraine, no one's being like forced to be their right. 676 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,920 If they don't want to fight, if they would rather answer to 677 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,080 Moscow than answer to Kiev, they have the freedom. 678 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,840 It's like, no, they're getting conscripted. 679 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,240 You'll get kidnapped and shot if you resist. 680 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:20,560 If you don't want to fight this war or if you think the Don Bass 681 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,440 should be ruled by Russia instead of Ukraine, you, you 682 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,080 don't really have a choice. And that's whose side we're on. 683 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,360 We're on the sides of the good guys. 684 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,160 But we got to defend. You got to defend NATO, and it's 685 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,600 vitally important. Well, how about November 15th of 686 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:42,800 2022 when Ukraine bombed Poland and then Zelinsky got on TV and 687 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,520 said it was Russia who bombed Poland. 688 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,560 Poland is a NATO ally. It all of this is so costly to 689 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,360 constantly go through that people just embrace narratives. 690 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,120 There's good guys and the bad guys, the good guys, Washington, 691 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,160 Lincoln and Churchill. And in any ideological conflict, 692 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,400 instead of getting involved, they say Assad is the bad guy, 693 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,680 the rebels are the good guys, Assad is Hitler, the rebels are 694 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,000 the American colonists. And they just engage in cheap 695 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,600 historical narratives which allows the population to justify 696 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,360 mass murder in ways they otherwise wouldn't. 697 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,680 So what the historical narratives of Churchill and 698 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,560 Lincoln do is they brush over the facts. 699 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,640 Just a couple quick things on Abraham Lincoln because the 700 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,000 American Civil War is another one of those that they say, 701 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,400 well, Lincoln was terrific. As Kissen said, they're top 3 702 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,280 presidents. He just says they're widely 703 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,920 regarded. He knows the left runs academia. 704 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,160 Of course, they're widely regarded tyrants. 705 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,760 Here is the Johnson resolutions. This was passed by the Senate. 706 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,080 It's also known as the War Aims resolution, the Crittenden 707 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,640 Johnson Resolutions on the Objects of the war, 1861. 708 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,160 So before the Civil War, Congress said here's what this 709 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,080 war is about, here are the terms, here are the goals. 710 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,880 Here's what we know victory will look like. 711 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:09,640 The resolution says this war is not prosecuted upon our part in 712 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,040 any spirit of oppression, nor for any purpose of conquest or 713 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,440 subjugation, or purpose of overthrowing or interfering with 714 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,880 rights or established institutions of those States, 715 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,840 but to defend and maintain the supremacy of the Constitution, 716 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,680 and all laws made in pursuance thereof, and to preserve the 717 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,840 Union with all the dignity, equality, and rights of the 718 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,760 several States unimpaired. That as soon as these objects 719 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,800 are accomplished, the war ought to seize. 720 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,200 So it was a war to save the Union. 721 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,800 This was passed by the Senate. There was another one passed by 722 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,520 the House, which is a little long. 723 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:54,320 I'm going to do a control. F for the word slave doesn't 724 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,720 appear. Maybe slavery is mentioned. 725 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:03,680 No, this appears to be another fabrication that oh, well, we 726 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,520 have to go to war. We have to save the Union. 727 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,320 You're a, you're in deep danger because there are these rebel 728 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,800 terrorists, anarchists engaging in rebellion and your way of 729 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,040 life is in jeopardy now. And then it's like, well, 20 730 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,400 years past 600,000 deaths and mass destruction of cities. 731 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,240 Well, we were actually just doing it for the slaves. 732 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,920 You can actually look at a letter that Lincoln wrote to 733 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,840 Horace Grayley. I think he owned the New York 734 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,120 Tribune or something. This was in August of 1862, 735 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,920 Lincoln said to Horace Greeley, My paramount object in this 736 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,280 struggle is to save the Union. And it is not either to save or 737 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,160 to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union 738 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,480 without freeing any slave, I would do it. 739 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,160 And if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would 740 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,120 do it. And if I could save it by 741 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,240 freeing some and leaving others alone, I would do that. 742 00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:03,320 So here we have another fabrication of a historical 743 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:04,920 narrative. Well, you got to fight. 744 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,040 You got to engage in wars because, you know, we did that 745 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,200 to end slavery. That was not the case. 746 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,400 You actually get Lincoln's justification for why slavery 747 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,680 was put to an end. This is a letter to a guy named 748 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,160 Orville Browning, September 22nd of 1861. 749 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,280 He's referring to Lincoln, is referring to one of his own 750 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,080 generals. He says General Fremont's 751 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,720 proclamation as to confiscation of property and the liberation 752 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:37,160 of the slaves is purely political and not within the 753 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,560 range of military law or necessity. 754 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,760 If a commanding general finds a necessity to seize a farm of a 755 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:49,160 private owner for a pasture or encampment or a fortification, 756 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:55,720 he has the right to do so and to so hold it as long as the 757 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:59,720 necessity lasts. And this is within military law, 758 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,880 because within military necessity. 759 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:09,440 So the idea that someone would wage a war on behalf of stopping 760 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,800 people from getting enslaved, I don't know how many people would 761 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,640 risk their own life to stop the enslavement of others. 762 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,040 Because in America, or in Ukraine or any, you would just 763 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,040 have to take a country that is engaged in military conscription 764 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,960 and see how many people in that domestic population violently 765 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,880 resisted the government who was enslaving them. 766 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,320 That'll give you an idea of why people tend to not go to war, 767 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:40,640 even if other people are getting enslaved or murdered for for 768 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,720 that matter. Back to Kissen's article. 769 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,680 But where was the victory? I can just as easily screech. 770 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,360 So he's referring to Washington and Lincoln. 771 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,320 He's saying hypothetically, but where is the victory? 772 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,160 I could just as easily screech. What about the southern border, 773 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,760 which has been wide open for decades? 774 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,040 Did Washington fight the war for independence so that half naked 775 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,960 drug addicts could litter the streets of America's major 776 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,520 cities? Did Lincoln win the Civil War to 777 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,600 have mentally ill children mutilated by doctors? 778 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,720 This approach is patently absurd. 2nd the reason we 779 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:22,040 celebrate Churchill is that the choice we had was either World 780 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,240 War 2 or Hitler being in charge of Europe and possibly the 781 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:29,800 world. Again, I have addressed this. 782 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,680 I think the best evidence of the world takeover operation might 783 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,360 be Prime Minister Konoye's memoirs. 784 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,480 This was the Prime Minister of Japan. 785 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,200 He had basically said they brought us in. 786 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,280 We were going to control Asia. The Italians were going to 787 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:51,360 control Africa, and the British and the Germans were going to 788 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,440 control Europe. But there's not much evidence 789 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,840 that he could have taken over. I mean, the entire continent. 790 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,200 I mean, Napoleon lasted like a decade or two. 791 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,520 And again, even if someone takes over, it's not worth resisting 792 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,400 them. It would be like saying we 793 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,640 Arizonans are under Washington DC occupation. 794 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,560 They have overlordship over us, we need to resist them with all 795 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,320 our might. It's like, well, we could and we 796 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,760 would technically have more independence, but sometimes it's 797 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,280 not worth it. All the people getting 798 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,080 conscripted could have said this is a bigger violation of my 799 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,240 freedom than anything the National Socialists have ever 800 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:33,600 done to me, so I'm going to resist it. 801 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,440 Sometimes it's just not worth resisting. 802 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,040 Or at least saying your red lines are more defendable. 803 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,040 They're defendable Red line in the Second World War, they go, 804 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,080 you cannot invade a town which is 95% German. 805 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,120 And 20 years ago those people were answering to you. 806 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:56,040 No, they those people have to answer to Warsaw, not Berlin. 807 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,080 This is just absolutely insane. It would have been France, well, 808 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,240 even France. I'm not really sure where to 809 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,120 draw a line but to say that the choice was either totally 810 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,960 terrible thing or not terrible thing. 811 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,920 As if the Second World War, the 10s of millions of deaths. 812 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,880 I think the German estimates 8.8 million German deaths, hundreds 813 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,000 of thousands of deaths in because most of the German 814 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,240 deaths took place on the Eastern front with the Soviets. 400,000 815 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,440 British deaths, 400,000 American deaths. 816 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,720 I mean, I, I know it's like so immoral and the worst thing ever 817 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,320 that 1000 Israelis were killed on October 7th. 818 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,960 I think it, I think it certainly is terrible, but kissing seems 819 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,280 so confident in saying this was such a moral outrage, we could 820 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,840 never tolerate it. 1000 Israelis killed. 821 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,280 This is pure evil and we must resist it. 822 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:57,440 But he defends millions of other people getting murdered saying, 823 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,640 well, we didn't have much of A choice cost benefit analysis. 824 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:06,640 So it's complete deontological principle when Israel, when 825 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,840 Israeli lives are at stake, but when tons of European lives are 826 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,240 at stake, it's like, well, let's kill millions of people and see 827 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:14,960 what happens. Maybe the Bolsheviks will take 828 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,600 over. Maybe we'll all have 829 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,280 Jeffersonian democracies in Europe. 830 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,680 We don't really know. But let's risk all their lives 831 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,720 and get all their limbs blown off just in case. 832 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,480 The victory is that by 1945, Western Europe was free of the 833 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:36,640 tyranny and ethnic hatred of and hatred the National Socialists 834 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,120 had imposed on it, and now they had Bolshevik tyranny and they 835 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,680 had just been enslaved. The worst violation of your 836 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,720 freedom you could possibly imagine. 837 00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:51,600 Military conscription, again, costs and benefits. 838 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,360 Just don't pretend it's so. Obviously, everyone could like 839 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,400 hit, could love Churchill. Just say, look, it is 840 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,880 extraordinarily terrible that all this had to happen. 841 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,840 And before we ever engage in anything again, we have to make 842 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:11,800 sure we've exhausted all peaceful methods of achieving 843 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,640 whatever ends we desire. Even if you're totally right, 844 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,880 you still have to exhaust any peaceful means, which is obvious 845 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:26,840 when you ask them, when is it OK for people in Ukraine or Poland 846 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,480 or Israel to violently overthrow their own government? 847 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,480 People will say, oh, well, you could never do that. 848 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,080 Well, what if my domestic government is violating my 849 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:36,480 freedom? So like, well, you got to work 850 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,840 it out peacefully. And frankly, I totally agree 851 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,640 with that. You got to find the most 852 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,480 peaceful way to achieve your ends because the cost of 853 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,400 violence are so high and the outcome is so unforeseeable. 854 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,440 In failing to understand this, Tucker does exactly what the 855 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,520 woke left do to our history. They imagine an infinite array 856 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,440 of utopian possibilities and then deride our former leaders 857 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,680 for failing to deliver said utopia. 858 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,400 Churchill, the man who authorized the Frederick 859 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,560 Lindemann campaign, which was the targeted bombing of German 860 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,480 civilian houses. Saying that this guy is someone 861 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,640 we should blindly appreciate. It's much more utopian to say 862 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,960 Churchill good, Hitler bad. That's you living in the fake 863 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,240 black and white world. I mean, what? 864 00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:32,280 What was Churchill's policy for people in Britain? 865 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,920 We know because of the memoirs of Charles de Gaulle, because of 866 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,280 JM Spates book Bombing Vindicated, which I quoted 867 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,440 earlier. We know that he had every 868 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,600 intention of getting the Germans to bomb Britain. 869 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,920 He wanted people in Britain dead. 870 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,240 So look, this, this hypothetical tyranny that you think you're so 871 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,400 justified in fighting, you don't even recognize a domestic 872 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,160 tyranny when it's right in your face. 873 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,960 You, Mr. Kissen, are the utopian We can just give the government 874 00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:03,440 tons of power to tax a central bank to print money, and the 875 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,200 right to conscript and the right to educate the population ages 5 876 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,760 to 18, and we'll just have a democracy that only fights for 877 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,200 freedom. They won't target civilians. 878 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,440 They won't lie the population into wars because wars have 879 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,720 really good outcomes. I think Kissen is the ultimate 880 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,960 utopian. Whereas the realist sees the 881 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,640 costs and benefits and engages in common sense empathy based on 882 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,120 who they're talking about and the constraints that each 883 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,240 individual faced. At that time. 884 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,320 Churchill didn't have a choice between the land of milk and 885 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:45,160 honey are fighting Hitler. What? 886 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,200 Let's just take this principle and apply it consistently. 887 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,400 The Bolsheviks had invaded I believe six countries, Latvia, 888 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,120 Estonia, Lithuania, Finland. They had invaded Poland. 889 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,800 Maybe Germany was next. Maybe the National Socialists 890 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:06,840 were, you know, pre empting an attack on their homeland and 891 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,880 they were just taking on the tyranny of the Bolsheviks. 892 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:15,000 So really, maybe there's another democratically elected person 893 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,520 that Mister Kissen should have an admiration for. 894 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:23,360 He can't just say he can't just be utopian and say Hitler 895 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,000 created evil and without him there would have been this land 896 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,560 of milk and honey. No, that they had just had tons 897 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,560 of their property confiscated by the Treaty of Versailles. 898 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,800 By the way, according to Doctor Sean Mcneekin, the Germans were 899 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,880 paying off reparations from the Treaty of Versailles to up until 900 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:47,920 the year 2010. I mean, you have to go to war if 901 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,640 anyone violates your independence. 902 00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,640 People just claiming the right to have you confiscated for 903 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,640 something someone else did isn't. 904 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,400 That sounds like a violation of people's independence. 905 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,920 Referring to Churchill, he could either fight Hitler or let him 906 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:11,960 take all of Europe. Again, I believe I have 907 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,720 addressed this. That's like saying, well, 908 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,080 Hitler's hands were tied. He could either fight Stalin or 909 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,600 just let Stalin take over the world. 910 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,400 As a matter of fact, you could also say Churchill had to fight 911 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,840 Hitler because Churchill and the British Empire already took 912 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,400 over. 1/4 of the planet had 458 million people subservient to 913 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,760 the British Empire. So Hitler had no choice. 914 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,360 He had to go to war with the British Empire. 915 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,680 They would have taken over 100% of the world at that rate. 916 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,760 Or you could say the Soviets had invaded so many places. 917 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,560 The Soviets had committed the atrocities of the Holodomor. 918 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:51,000 They had the explicit goal of a dictatorship of the proletariat 919 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,040 and global communism. Bolshevism was not very 920 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,480 nationalist. It was a communist. 921 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,000 It was international socialism. At least the National Socialists 922 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,760 were just national. Joseph Stalin, you could say, 923 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,960 well, Hitler's hands were tied. He didn't have any choice. 924 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,120 He had to build up a big military, you know, get a good 925 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,280 amount of Leben's realm, and then he could take on the 926 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,040 Soviets. His hands were tied. 927 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,800 Don't pretend there's a utopia. Constantine kissing. 928 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,720 This is so obvious that an intelligent person like Tucker 929 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,080 cannot possibly have missed it by accident. 930 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,200 My experience, both in public debates and in personal 931 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,760 relationships, is that whenever someone refuses to see something 932 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,840 that is in plain sight, it is because underneath their stated 933 00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,800 arguments lies a different agenda. 934 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,880 As the Navajo proverb goes, it is impossible to wake a man who 935 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,640 is pretending to be asleep. So why does the woke right have 936 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,680 to destroy Churchill? Let's just end with this. 937 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,720 Everything else is behind a paywall. 938 00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:06,800 I really appreciate Mr. Kissen for making his arguments 939 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,720 available in writing format. Let's look at something that 940 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:17,440 could be applied to a person who refuses to see something that is 941 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,400 plain insight. Robert S McNamara was the 942 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,760 Secretary of Defense during the Vietnam War. 943 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,800 Now, one could say it's so clearly wrong to engage in mass 944 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,640 bombing, which, you know, innocent civilians are getting 945 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,920 killed, and just because someone's in the military, you 946 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,040 don't have the right to kill them. 947 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,760 So how could anyone justify the mass murder of people in 948 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,600 Vietnam? It's just as bad as the Germans 949 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:48,000 and the actions that they engage in in Poland, and it's just as 950 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:53,200 bad as the Holocaust. Hey, if 6,000,000 is bad to 951 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,640 kill, what about 3 million Koreans and three million 952 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,800 Vietnamese? Is that something? 953 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:03,000 What about the number of people killed in Afghanistan? 954 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,440 If you're going to take this, any time of innocent life is 955 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,320 taken, you must declare war against that government. 956 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,000 Those are some pretty high stakes that might apply to 957 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,080 governments, who Mr. Kissen is very favorable to. 958 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,600 What do you do when there's a government engaging in an ethnic 959 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,080 cleansing operation, the general's plan and uses the 960 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,960 Hannibal Directive, even when their own civilians are in 961 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,680 trouble. What do you do kissing? 962 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,280 There's no land of milk and honey. 963 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,600 You have to embrace the costs and benefits of going to war 964 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,400 here. Here is Secretary of Defense 965 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:40,120 Robert S McNamara, referring to his time under Curtis Lemay in 966 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,640 the 1940s during the Second World War. 967 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,640 McNamara says proportionality should be a guideline in war. 968 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:52,760 Killing 50% to 90% of the people of 67 Japanese cities and then 969 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,040 bombing them with two nuclear bombs is not proportional in the 970 00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,320 minds of some people to the objectives we were trying to 971 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,680 achieve. I know it's really cool to be 972 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,640 against the Holocaust, and it takes a ton of courage to be 973 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,880 against October 7th. I'm against both of those. 974 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,680 Those involve initiating violence against peaceful people 975 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,320 on an ANECO capitalist. Of course I oppose all that, but 976 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:24,240 Mr. Kissen seems to get so much confidence from opposing things 977 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,600 that basically almost everyone else opposes. 978 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,520 I will say there was a lot of pushback from there are actual 979 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,760 some Hamas supporters, but they don't have as much power as the 980 00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,640 people in AIPAC, so they're not worth spending that much time 981 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,520 on. So my challenge to Mr. Kissen is 982 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,680 to one, come on the Libertarian Institute and please inform me, 983 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,640 see if there's a bridge that can be built between our camps. 984 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:56,000 I'm also curious, would you categorize the justification of 985 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,240 dropping nuclear bombs knowing 10s of thousands of civilians 986 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,360 will die? Does that fall under your 987 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,240 category of? Someone who does not explicitly 988 01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,400 condemn that because remember, October 7th is pure evil. 989 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:15,280 But killing 100 times as many people in one day, well, you got 990 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,600 it's a very complex situation. I want to know if Mr. Kissen is 991 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:25,800 willing to say that murder is unjustifiable regardless of what 992 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,880 costume people first put on, regardless of what alleged 993 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,920 intention people have. If their intentions were so 994 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,280 good, they wouldn't have to tax their populations to fund it. 995 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,960 They could fund it voluntarily. They wouldn't have to conscript 996 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,920 men by the millions to get their fucking limbs blown off. 997 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,840 Kiss N. So when it comes to dropping 998 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:51,280 nuclear weapons on civilians, will you condemn it or will you 999 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,160 refuse to see something that is in plain sight? 1000 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,480 Thanks to everyone for watching Keith Knight, Don't Tread on 1001 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,440 Anyone and the Libertarian Institute. 1002 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,200 The quotes from Winston Churchill that I used were from 1003 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,680 an article that I titled The Ultimate Case Against the 1004 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,600 Churchill Cult. The link to that will be in the 1005 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,040 description below. Thanks to everyone for watching 1006 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,400 Keith Knight, Don't Tread on Anyone and the Libertarian 1007 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,760 Institute. Constantine Kisson, you are 1008 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,480 invited on the Institute anytime, Sir. 1009 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:23,040 Take care.